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1DCA_se3_ag3_m_010.0074/Wife/ used to say I talk too much but- <laugh>2.7072
2DCA_int_012.7911No, it's great.3.7284
3DCA_se3_ag3_m_013.8216Mm.4.2320
4DCA_int_014.7962Some people it's like pulling teeth to get them to say anything.7.8819
5DCA_se3_ag3_m_017.9378Oh yeah?8.3295
7 8.5580Hm.8.9310 
8DCA_int_019.5372Makes it easier for the person /??/.12.4842
9DCA_se3_ag3_m_0113.1498Well, not- the incident that I was talking about, uh, as a kid,16.9228
11 17.3371I can remember at-18.6427 
13 19.2570well, prior to nineteen fifty21.5559 
15 21.7890four, I believe, in Washington,23.1879 
17 23.3371uh, as you know, there were segregated playgrounds and what have you.26.3528 
19 27.1782And uh, we used- used to be a group of us that used to play ball together,31.3095 
21 31.5415and um, I remember one fella's name. I don't remember the rest of 'em's name-35.4024 
23 35.6868the- remember their nicknames, but I don't remember their real names, but I remember one particular fella,40.3299 
25 40.8008/RD-NAME-2/.41.3844 
27 42.1531And uh,42.8479 
29 43.2710we used to play on this little park that I was telling you about earlier,46.7262 
31 46.9687uh, up on, uh, First between New York Avenue and uh-50.7165 
33 51.9056New York Avenue, Elm Street and First Street.54.1578 
35 54.5588But there was a55.6954 
37 55.9192uh, white pray- playground58.1020 
39 58.5677right there at um,59.8547 
41 60.4888First and O, and First and62.3062 
43 62.9357New York Avenue.63.8496 
45 65.0014And every evening, we used to get on the playground and play ball,68.6139 
47 68.7911and the recreation70.3625 
49 70.6610um, people would come on duty after working hours or what have you,74.3855 
51 75.2621and they would chase us off.77.1506 
52DCA_int_0177.7847Hm.78.0645
53DCA_se3_ag3_m_0178.0831And um, the white fellows used to run just like we did. They didn't know wh- Well, I don't know whether they knew why they were running, or just what, but they used to run (laughing while talking)-85.2349
55 85.4995and I know it- wh- wh- Many a time, that uh,88.7309 
57 88.9734we have had torn pants and what have you from running, jumping over the playground fence94.0781 
59 94.4605to get to the95.3324 
61 95.7428um,96.3956 
63 97.3456lot behind the uh,99.1735 
65 99.3740school, uh, behind the paper-101.4070 
67 102.3163Andrew's Paper Place, I believe. Andrew's Paper Factory or something of that sort,106.6003 
69 107.3884um,108.0412 
71 108.6415to play ball because we couldn't play on the playground.112.0641 
72DCA_int_01113.0806Sounds so [/incredulous/.]114.5816
73DCA_se3_ag3_m_01114.2417[<laugh>] Well it does, really. Now, what- L- looking at my children, they s-118.4045
74 118.5724take so many of these things for granted. They go to concerts. They122.0031
76 122.4041play on the playground. They um-124.3532 
78 124.6983So many of these things, they don't even know anything about that- I don't think- about that. I never remind 'em up, and I don't bring it up, you know.130.3252 
80 130.8148And the only uh, reminder that they get, generally, of course, is through television and136.9361 
82 137.5189the137.9386 
84 138.4791times that we're having now of course. But,141.1409 
86 141.8729the- by the same token, I want them to be aware of it. I'm not-144.7080 
88 144.8479Don't misunderstand me. I'm not uh, trying to hide anything from 'em, but I don't uh-149.0487 
90 149.3938If we s- if I talk about now, I talk about it jokingly. Matter of fact, I've seen one of the fellas, uh-154.5731 
92 155.7703uh!- uh- er- Very strange thing happened. Um,159.2022 
94 160.0555an, uh-160.6570 
96 161.0347over on um,161.9813 
98 162.1958Perry Street. I lived on Perry Street in Northeast,164.3209 
100 165.1416and uh,166.1721 
102 166.4565police knocked on the door, um,168.5268 
104 168.7355collecting for the Police Boys Club.170.5074 
106 172.0089And he said, uh, I know you from somewhere, you know. I can't uh,176.1204 
108 177.0950place your face, you know. Have uh, you been in prison [recently? <laugh>]180.4371 
109DCA_int_01179.9755[<laugh>]181.2857
110DCA_se3_ag3_m_01181.0992I said, well, I don't-182.1857
111 182.6147maybe I have. I don't- I didn't recall whether I'd be in there for any particular reason or not, but uh,187.8873
113 188.2463anyway, haps- We were talking.190.1115 
115 190.8995He lived at forty eight or forty nine or fifty one194.9970 
117 195.3094New York Avenue, and I lived at forty nine Elm Street.198.4616 
119 199.5842And uh,200.5214 
121 201.1183we201.6918 
123 202.8249uh,203.3798 
125 203.7994had played together as kids.205.5795 
126DCA_int_01205.9292Hm.206.3023
127DCA_se3_ag3_m_01206.1717He didn't know my name. I didn't know his, uh, other than maybe nicknames.209.9253
128 210.5723And uh, then we started talking about uh,213.1602
130 213.3654different things that happened over the years, and some of the incidents that happened down on uh-219.0297 
132 219.6732in that area,220.6384 
134 221.1280and of course he happened to be223.6308 
136 223.8639patrolling the225.0996 
138 225.2442Fourth Street, Rhode Island Avenue and that area now. And this was some of the area that we used to come into as kids.231.7617 
140 232.7316And um,233.6316 
142 234.2646I had gr- My grandparent that lived on uh, Elm Street, and this is one that through the years, uh240.0176 
144 240.9034even though I lived most of my time- I went to school in Anacostia,244.9042 
146 245.2632through the years, I246.2564 
148 246.3951still frequented247.6168 
150 247.9012the uh, Northwest area. This249.9436 
152 250.4752area bounded by uh,251.9300 
154 252.4931North Cal Street, New York Avenue, and what have you.254.9084 
156 255.8970And uh,256.6290 
158 257.5698we talked about uh,259.0992 
160 260.3442some of the things we used to do, and the ball playing and263.2492 
162 263.9428the incidents that happened back then that of course, we had no267.8270 
164 268.0275rhyme or reason for it that particular time, but now that we are older, look back on, we know why they happened and <laugh>275.1793 
166 275.5803what have you.276.1911 
167DCA_int_01276.3205It's incredible.277.1785
168DCA_se3_ag3_m_01277.1692Mm-hm.277.7614
169DCA_int_01278.0598That's a great story.279.0903
171 280.3260Um,280.7922 
173 281.5243did any of-282.1631 
175 282.8521/see/-283.5562 
177 283.8779taking the-284.4841 
179 285.0483your whole lifetime,286.3213 
181 286.8249have you ever been close to anyone who spoke a foreign language289.6875 
183 290.0271as their mother tongue?291.7711 
184DCA_se3_ag3_m_01292.1348Yes, um,293.2399
186 293.8274uh, the lady that I was spoke of, uh, earlier,296.8805 
188 297.5379um, that I worked with for the last299.3704 
190 299.9615twelve years or so- ten or twelve years, off and on, but now we are are working uh-304.5311 
192 305.3378She's- I'm the coordinator, and she's in charge of training,309.1556 
194 309.4913and she's Austrian.311.4637 
196 312.1760And uh,313.0060 
198 313.5189she speaks um,314.7359 
200 315.5846Austrian-316.4612 
202 317.0301I mean uh, German and318.3124 
204 318.6936French.319.3184 
206 320.1717Uh, we both have had Russian. She- uh, she knows S- Czechoslovakian.325.5002 
208 326.3536Um,327.1509 
210 327.8923what else?328.4565 
212 329.8927Um,330.7447 
214 331.9106several of uh,332.7452 
216 333.7571the languages- related languages- Slavic languages,336.7728 
218 337.5702and uh, but her native tongue is German of course. Mm-hm.341.2259 
219DCA_int_01342.7588Can you tell it when she speaks? Is her English /pretty good/?346.8715
220DCA_se3_ag3_m_01347.1699Uh, certain things, uh- of course, after- a- a- after you've been352.0555
222 352.5311associated with a person over a period of time, you get to a point where you356.1577 
224 356.5354ignore it. You don't pay [any attention] to it, but I notice every once in awhile, she will say /yah/.361.1319 
225DCA_int_01357.4027[Yeah.]357.7804
226DCA_se3_ag3_m_01361.8033Uh, and uh,363.3794
228 364.5358uh, she-365.5430 
230 366.0034let me see.366.8008 
232 367.4443She uses368.1717 
234 368.4282uh, idioms of course still. Uh,370.9508 
236 371.1606/gosh and hemel/371.9347 
237DCA_int_01372.3765[Mm-hm.]372.7682
238DCA_se3_ag3_m_01372.4324[And] uh, things of that sort. Um, but I think a lot of times, she does this,377.0953
239 377.3565purposely playing. And-378.6113
241 379.4769but um,380.4421 
243 381.1649sh- We have um,382.5778 
245 383.3285been associated together for many many years, and386.4282 
247 386.7079we consider ourselves very good friends.389.0254 
249 390.6749Matter of fact, she calls sometimes on the telephone, and uh,393.9063 
251 394.5405we talk for an hour or two, and it starts off maybe about something at work, and then it goes into400.6850 
253 401.4870a concert or a play or [a movie or] a book.405.3328 
254DCA_int_01403.9432[<laugh>]404.7965
255DCA_se3_ag3_m_01405.7058I have a number of her books. She has a number of mine.408.2424
256DCA_int_01408.6143Hm.408.8381
257DCA_se3_ag3_m_01408.8428So, w- we have410.2043
259 410.3862had this relationship for a number of years now.412.7223 
261 413.0067Mm-hm.413.5290 
262DCA_int_01415.2904Um,415.7940
264 417.5799would you change anything? Say if you could do it all over again-420.8521 
266 423.7897Be at that young age where425.3518 
268 426.1107a young man makes his decisions and [/inaudible/]429.5473 
269DCA_se3_ag3_m_01428.2789[I think so.] Um,429.7151
270 429.9529my interests- I think that-432.3543
272 432.7495I've always wanted to um-434.7452 
274 436.5311I used to have a desire to be a um,438.7447 
276 439.2484uh, college professor. Uh, I wanted to teach History,442.6570 
278 443.3052but I never had the uh,445.2764 
280 445.8313inclination to um,447.7664 
282 449.2259do as much450.9220 
284 451.6308um, studying, in the area- Or concentrated study,454.8762 
286 455.6782to um,456.8661 
288 458.3955prepare myself for this.459.7244 
290 460.3073Uh, I don't know whether it's because uh,462.4511 
292 463.2298that I wanted to do things too fast or just what it was, but I think now,467.0813 
294 467.5476as I look back over the years, if I had just spent uh,470.6753 
296 471.1089a concentrated472.1907 
298 472.7316six or seven years in school, that um, possibly I would have-477.0810 
300 478.0788be in a- in this area now. I'm not sure of it- this would have been the direction that I would have gone, but uh,483.8270 
302 484.3633I do like history. I like s- s- civics. I like um,487.6261 
304 487.9572um,488.5354 
306 489.2488government. Uh,490.6337 
308 491.0301I have uh-491.8647 
310 492.3438I did work in uh,493.6261 
312 494.1251the-494.4188 
314 495.2628party, um-496.2187 
316 496.4332politics a little bit. Um, the-498.2086 
318 499.2438by being a federal employee, I couldn't participate too actively, but uh,503.5243 
320 503.6969I did504.1911 
322 505.3977um,505.8686 
324 506.5028in nineteen sixty and nineteen sixty four,508.7596 
326 509.3192work actively in uh,511.2158 
328 512.0038politics as-513.2255 
330 513.6032Behind the scenes,514.6197 
332 514.7503so to s- speak.515.8041 
334 516.7402And um,517.6075 
336 517.8826I had a very interesting experience just this- earlier part of this year. I uh,522.7447 
338 524.0458um,524.6007 
340 525.1882had a- was put in the hospital for a minor527.9347 
342 528.3159operation,529.0573 
344 529.6355and my roommate was chairman of uh,532.4379 
346 533.1560uh, History Department at one of the Universities [here in the city.]536.4794 
347DCA_int_01535.7334[Hm.]536.1717
348DCA_se3_ag3_m_01537.2442And uh, he uh, had written a book, um,541.0106
350 541.5842um, I considered a- an authority on it- He is considered an authority in uh,546.1445 
352 546.3672Latin Ameri- American affairs,548.0831 
354 548.9830and uh, we used to have some very interesting discussions in the school. You may- you might be thinking /RD-NAME-4/?555.3794 
356 555.7151Professor /RD-NAME-4/? Do you know him? Doctor /RD-NAME-4/?558.0279 
357DCA_int_01558.5956Seems like I've heard of that /name/.560.3209
358DCA_se3_ag3_m_01559.7940[Mm-hm.]560.3256
359 560.5354/Up/ at George Washington University.561.9949
361 563.2026But anyhow, we- we were roommates, and we had very interesting discussions.567.8783 
363 569.2352And um,570.4031 
365 571.9199I think that a lot of things that he was asking me, he was asking me from the Negro stand point of-576.7822 
367 576.9220point of view. And then uh,578.7312 
369 579.3421uh,579.9343 
371 580.8156then after we warmed up to each other, and he probably got to s-584.5634 
373 585.0670th- You know,586.2514 
375 586.3772the feeling- I mean uh,587.6502 
377 588.2133how I felt about these things, then uh, we were-591.0856 
379 591.2861and I got to know how he felt about the /certain/ things,594.1946 
381 594.5770we were able to discuss uh,597.1183 
383 597.6825the overall s- world situation without too many <laugh> reservations <laugh>.602.6427 
385 602.8338[But uh, he was picking me] first, and I was [picking him.]605.8088 
386DCA_int_01602.8618[/inaudible/]604.1021
388 605.1513[<laugh>]605.9626 
389 606.6982Yeah.607.1972
390DCA_se3_ag3_m_01607.2671But uh,608.1857
392 608.3675we- I enjoyed- I enjoyed my hospital stay, and uh,611.8694 
394 612.9127um, I've talked to him since then.615.2908 
395DCA_int_01615.5333Hm.615.7711
396DCA_se3_ag3_m_01615.8037Mm.616.3819
398 617.5663Mm-hm.618.0839 
399DCA_int_01620.3815Um,620.8618
401 622.0975try to use your imagination a little on this. If you had all the money you could want,625.8360 
403 626.8618can you have any idea how you spend it?629.0627 
405 629.3052What you would do with it?630.4837 
406DCA_se3_ag3_m_01631.5609Well, I think maybe my,633.3654
408 634.3586um,634.9042 
410 635.8356capitalist- I'd try to make more money probably. <laugh> But uh, I don't know. I probably would travel,641.7575 
412 642.0594uh, quite a bit.643.0340 
414 644.3722Uh, I would like to travel.645.8970 
416 646.3772Uh, I would like to make girls around while they are at an impressionable age, and while they are young,651.3607 
418 651.9669and um, let them see the world.654.1305 
420 654.7309See some of the people that they're reading about and d- and discussing.658.0275 
422 659.1233Um,659.7481 
424 660.8195I661.4023 
425DCA_int_01661.7567[Where would you like] to go and-663.0110
426DCA_se3_ag3_m_01661.7660[don't-]662.3815
427 664.6057I'd665.0254
429 665.2725probably would go both to the Orient and to the um, um,669.1742 
431 669.9949Europe. Uh-671.0534 
433 671.4078My grandfather spent quite a few years in the Orient, and- During the Spanish American War and after Spanish American War. Matter fact he spent ten year- ten years in the Orient.679.9525 
435 680.6193And he- And I think maybe this is where my interest in history came from.684.6143 
436DCA_int_01684.6702Mm-hm.685.1039
437DCA_se3_ag3_m_01685.2018Um,685.7753
439 686.3535we used to talk687.2208 
441 687.4680extensively688.4285 
443 688.7876about uh- Maybe that's where I690.4289 
445 690.7588u- g-691.0526 
447 691.6028talk so much692.1810 
449 692.8152about that- (laughing)693.6079 
451 693.8223We used to talk extensively about um,696.4989 
453 697.0619his experiences and uh, his travels.699.8876 
455 700.8762And um,701.7621 
457 702.4511i-702.6889 
459 702.9267sometimes in some of the uh, things that he705.9156 
461 706.8995um,707.4404 
463 708.2004foresaw, I guess,710.0691 
465 710.3256some of the things that he talked about that would happen and did happen713.4450 
466DCA_int_01713.5849Hm.713.8880
467DCA_se3_ag3_m_01714.0372um, way back in the- during World War II. And he talked about things that would happen after World War II,720.1118
469 720.4884and sure enough, uh, a lot of them have come to pass.723.3887 
470DCA_int_01723.7897/Certainly/.724.3772
471DCA_se3_ag3_m_01724.3866But um,725.3611
473 725.7388and I think possibly- I don't know whether I attribute this to his travels or just to uh,731.7376 
475 732.5770um,733.1878 
477 734.3349I don't know what you attribute it to, but I would like to travel,737.5045 
479 737.7097and uh, possibly-738.9547 
481 739.9199That's about the thing that I-741.5473 
483 741.9016Oh, of course-743.1280 
485 743.3238um-744.1305 
487 744.5024I dare say that maybe a few more materials things than I have, but there are no749.2539 
489 749.5383overall material things that-751.1971 
491 751.9758/essentual/, as far as I'm concerned to754.4239 
493 754.6197life, but uh,756.0326 
495 756.3205I probably would have them. <laugh>759.0157 
496DCA_int_01759.5286Getting 'em easy.760.4425
497DCA_se3_ag3_m_01760.5731Mm-mm.761.0300
498DCA_int_01762.9826Now,763.3650
500 763.7007could you describe what you do in a day's work on your job? /Or jobs/?767.5031 
501DCA_se3_ag3_m_01768.3998Well um,769.4956
503 769.7054I ha- <laugh>770.5027 
505 771.2115Uh, t- t- It's quite a-772.8668 
507 773.9580Well, we've- First thing, we have uh, a number of contracts with uh, different uh,779.1280 
509 780.1864commercial780.7447 
511 781.0806binders and also with the government printing office.784.2886 
513 784.9554We have a number of service divisions-787.1598 
515 787.6448service divisions, that send us material,790.3399 
517 790.6197uh, unbound,792.0501 
519 792.2879monographs, uh,793.9292 
521 794.8385periodicals,795.8876 
523 796.5404um,796.9974 
525 797.2445collected works of one kind or another799.6774 
527 799.8360that have to uh,801.5379 
529 802.0368be802.4752 
531 803.3937put or sent to804.9220 
533 805.8406the binders or807.6871 
535 808.8668the processors809.8414 
537 810.1398to810.5781 
539 811.0945determine what type of preservation- what type of uh, binding that they're going to816.6049 
541 816.8847use to preserve this material.819.0390 
543 820.0275And uh, I have a number of-822.0092 
545 822.3158Let's see. Four, five, six-824.9271 
547 825.6079I think it's about fourteen people827.7155 
549 827.8740that uh, are constantly829.7940 
551 829.9852um,830.5121 
553 831.7431working832.4798 
555 832.7689this area. Each- each person is doing something different,835.7893 
557 836.4841and uh, if-837.3514 
559 837.8037All day long, I have as- Each person asking a different question <laugh> but uh,842.9830 
561 843.5659I don't think that I spend more than uh, one solid hour- other than early morning, possibly cleaning off things that have been piled on my desk,852.1958 
563 852.6935uh, at my desk.853.9759 
565 854.0645The rest of the day is uh, circulating around857.2305 
567 857.4497to see the individuals uh,859.4303 
569 860.9038traveling- Uh, um,862.4192 
571 862.7363processing their material in the area865.4163 
573 865.7567in which they're supposed to.867.4167 
575 868.8715Um,869.3751 
577 870.7169um,871.5329 
579 872.8012it's a general um-874.6430 
581 875.6129It's kind of hard to describe unless you actually saw the operation. It's-879.2814 
583 879.7757We are880.4705 
585 881.0953in the process of a reorganization. We are in the process of a885.2162 
587 885.7058general revamping.887.2865 
589 887.4637We are going to uh,888.9873 
591 889.2018send more and more things to890.8571 
593 891.3840commercial. We are setting up a restoration 893.3611 
595 893.5942program in the building,895.4349 
597 896.1484and a lot of the material that we are getting now, we are900.3403 
599 900.8754planning on having restored by our own craftsmen.904.3772 
601 906.4371Um,907.4862 
603 907.9432s-908.1390 
605 908.4748twice this week-909.4120 
607 909.7757Once, the early part of the week, I went to Quantico,912.7447 
609 912.9220Virginia, to um,914.6286 
611 915.5705uh,916.2140 
613 916.4565try to devise or set up a binding- or help to set up a920.1717 
615 920.6520binding program or to give them some923.0627 
617 924.1911help in setting up their program down there, as they have a small number of in- in-929.7954 
619 930.4464in uh, comparison to the amount of material that we933.3421 
621 934.0975um-934.6943 
623 935.0580We s- send out something like a hundred and ninety- two hundred ninety thousand piece- uh, volumes a year939.9203 
625 940.2933to commercial or942.3450 
627 942.6562government printing office binders.944.0988 
629 944.4561So you can imagine945.5566 
631 945.6964with uh, say a work staff of fourteen people and that number of pieces coming through our office.950.8851 
633 951.1556It is quite a951.8970 
634DCA_int_01952.5498[Gee.]952.9508
635DCA_se3_ag3_m_01952.6290[um,]953.3704
636 953.6828beehive,954.5024
638 955.3743but we still travel to uh,957.8503 
640 958.1954to- around to other areas to960.2272 
642 960.3438try to help devise a standard962.1763 
644 962.5867program for preservation of materials,965.4310 
645DCA_int_01965.5383Huh.965.7901
646DCA_se3_ag3_m_01966.3392uh, binding of materials, my office is.968.6986
648 969.2348I'm in the preservation office as- as a whole,972.4103 
650 972.5956but the wh- the binding office is one office of the975.7338 
652 976.0182preservation office.977.0907 
653DCA_int_01979.1598Hm.979.6028
655 981.2628How do you celebrate Ch- to change the subject a little [<laugh>- How do you celebrate] Christmas? Uh,986.2883 
656DCA_se3_ag3_m_01983.8041[Mm-hm. Yeah.]984.7447
657DCA_int_01986.6286in general?987.1695
658DCA_se3_ag3_m_01988.1814Well, um,989.4124
660 990.6656we generally um,992.8618 
662 994.1674put the Christmas tree up uh, around Christmas Eve- Or might put it up a couple of days ahead of Christmas Eve. We put the Christmas tree up Christmas Eve, and uh1001.8134 
664 1002.9920um,1003.6448 
666 1003.9432generally on Christmas Eve, it's uh,1006.7409 
668 1006.9694preparation, wrapping presents, and1009.1925 
670 1010.1157people stopping in, uh,1011.8363 
672 1012.6197wishing us cheer and what have you and uh,1015.6588 
674 1017.4913let's see.1018.1534 
676 1019.1932Uh, Christmas Day we1020.7447 
678 1021.2298travel around to the different relatives of course, um,1024.8575 
680 1025.9521during Christmas day. S- On occasions we have gone to church, but we- This is not a regular1030.9321 
682 1031.2912thing.1031.5710 
684 1032.3811Um,1033.1738 
686 1034.7266it's more or less visiting relatives, and uh, exchanging of gifts and uh,1040.9317 
688 1041.5239a um,1042.4845 
690 1043.6677sort of a-1044.5422 
692 1045.5655We usually have uh, spirits that we put out for1049.3378 
694 1049.6316people who come in and uh-1051.5842 
696 1053.1649It's more or less a family sort of uh, occasion generally.1057.5235 
698 1058.6846This Christmas had been a little different from past Christmases because this is the first Christmas- I don't know whether you know it or not, but my wife1065.5845 
700 1065.9716uh, passed away1066.9088 
702 1067.6409a year or so ago, and this Christmas was a little different from uh,1071.7711 
704 1072.3259past Christmases.1073.4544 
706 1074.0501So uh,1075.0106 
708 1075.3044m- m- but we managed to make it through it. <laugh> Uh-1078.8016 
709DCA_int_011079.2667Must have been hard.1080.3065
710DCA_se3_ag3_m_011080.5816Mm-hm.1081.0479
711DCA_int_011082.3442Were you ever in a situation where you thought you might1084.6337
713 1085.6502um, be killed or might die? That this might be-1088.4794 
715 1088.8571be it?1089.3840 
717 1090.5964Any adventure or danger like that?1092.7367 
718DCA_se3_ag3_m_011095.4167N- I was in a automobile um,1098.0465
720 1098.5630d- When we were in high school,1100.5400 
722 1101.3980um,1102.1534 
724 1102.4425I think the year- The- we- The1104.7447 
726 1105.5095year of graduation, the1106.8711 
728 1107.1322senior year, the last month- or week or so- before school closed,1111.6774 
730 1112.5867um,1113.4959 
732 1114.2653we rented a automobile. We got one of the fellas to get his older brother to rent us an automobile, and we rented a automobile, and we1120.8529 
734 1121.3378went down to um,1122.7449 
736 1123.4489somebody's beach home. I don't remember whose beach home at the time, but we went to somebody's beach home, and /in/1129.0666 
738 1129.6168process of going down there- It was a cool day, just1132.5031 
740 1133.0813about like it is right now.1134.5781 
742 1135.0479And uh,1135.9712 
744 1136.6986we f- got down there, and we stayed around a little while. We didn't1140.2284 
746 1141.8872couldn't go in the water. We couldn't uh, do what we went down there to do, so to speak,1145.9673 
748 1146.5676so um,1147.4629 
750 1148.2509we um,1149.5985 
752 1149.9809finally uh, ended up uh, turning around and driving1153.1925 
754 1154.1111back to Washington, and we drove very fast coming back,1157.4031 
756 1157.9860and the car skidded.1159.3836 
758 1160.0877And um,1161.2954 
760 1161.6871we f- ended up in a-1163.2912 
762 1163.6642sort of a hay field- uh, corn field.1166.2416 
764 1167.2348And I had just dozed off at the time, but um,1170.7447 
766 1171.0712um,1171.6494 
768 1172.2883and I don't think I've been asleep in a automobile since then <laugh>1174.6384 
770 1175.0534but uh, we were heading in the opposite direction,1177.9152 
772 1178.1251and uh,1178.8058 
774 1179.1695I remember pushing the car out of the corn field1181.3937 
776 1181.9755and getting it back up on the road, and we came on back to Washington.1185.9156 
778 1186.6104But um,1187.7341 
780 1187.9755that's about as close that I can remember in my1191.0157 
782 1192.2234death- adventure, as far as death. Now, I've been sick a couple of times that1196.2323 
784 1196.3535I didn't know whether I was going to make it or not, but I wasn't that seriously ill, but it just seemed as though- <laugh>1201.9945 
786 1202.1950but uh,1203.1602 
788 1203.5379I was in very bad pain with a kidney stone.1205.9300 
790 1206.5770And I didn't know just1207.9945 
792 1208.5680what it was all about. I didn't know whether I had a ruptured uh,1211.3098 
794 1212.0932appendix or just what it was.1213.4256 
796 1213.7427Mm.1214.2230 
797DCA_int_011215.9529Sometimes people say that,1217.3518
799 1217.5150well,1217.9346 
801 1218.5630whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.1220.4934 
802DCA_se3_ag3_m_011220.9084[Mm-hm.]1221.2581
803DCA_int_011221.0996[How] do you feel about that?1222.5777
804DCA_se3_ag3_m_011222.6197Well, I had to develop that attitude because of um, a number of things. I uh,1228.5591
806 1230.2412sort of have a philosophy that you roll with the punches, you know? And you um,1234.7549 
808 1235.4590uh,1236.0419 
810 1236.9220you just have to accept1238.1997 
812 1238.9271things, and this is my attitude now. I might be very wrong, uh- I1243.5002 
814 1243.8313have1244.3022 
816 1245.4167felt that I just accept this1248.2890 
818 1248.9313to a certain degree. If there's nothing that I can do about it, there's nothing that I can change,1253.5709 
820 1254.0279then um,1254.7775 
822 1255.5375I have to go along with the- In case of my wife's death,1259.5849 
824 1259.7668for instance.1260.5082 
826 1261.1179Uh, she had the best medical care that we possibly1264.3446 
828 1265.1979knew about1266.0594 
830 1266.4184and uh,1267.3790 
832 1267.9898uh, she had something- She had a- a rheumatic heart condition when she was young that we didn't know about until two months before she went in- three months before she went in the hospital.1276.9460 
833 1276.9460\Aj1277.7889
834 1277.7889And uh, of course, uh, she had two major operations, and the second operation, she didn't make it.1283.0487
836 1283.3425Uh,1283.7528 
838 1284.5397but, uh, we had no knowledge that it was anything wrong with her heart at all, in all the years that we've been married. She had two children. We have two children. We had uh,1293.4111 
840 1293.5836a number of things. We had a number of plans1295.8032 
842 1296.5586that um,1297.4538 
844 1297.8257that will, of course will never be fulfilled in that area.1301.6120 
846 1302.1156But um,1303.0994 
848 1303.8444I've-1304.3573 
850 1304.6277I have- still have two daughters, so I feel to a certain degree- Now what am I going to do? Fold up or1309.7893 
852 1309.9898continue to try to1310.9178 
854 1311.9427make the best of the situation, you know. And uh, s- I think that uh, my wife left enough1317.7312 
856 1319.4721with the girls. Uh, when I say, left enough, the- they-1323.5277 
858 1323.6965Certain basic training that the girls have that um,1326.9735 
860 1327.5040it's been made the job somewhat easier for me in trying to bring them through these1332.6984 
862 1332.9258last couple of year- last year or so. Last-1335.3467 
864 1335.6358It's been almost1336.5115 
866 1337.8591two years since we- the actual time she got sick, went in the hospital and- and the time that she was operated on and what have you, the time she died.1344.8103 
868 1345.3221And it's been just the three of us since then,1347.8214 
870 1348.1292but I don't generally worry about my girls getting into any difficulty or anything of that sort.1353.1089 
872 1353.3701I feel that uh,1354.6011 
874 1354.9732they basically have the back- the training and what have you, and that uh, if anything- if they get out of line or anything happens /??/ it's gonna happen anyhow, there's nothing that I can1364.6977 
876 1365.0521basically do other than try to instill1367.3565 
878 1368.2508certain concepts of life in them /emphasis/-1371.7944 
880 1372.6747<laugh>1373.6586 
881DCA_int_011373.6493Yeah.1373.9804
882DCA_se3_ag3_m_011374.0410<laugh>1375.8024
883DCA_int_011375.8817[/inaudible/]1377.4297
884DCA_se3_ag3_m_011375.9143[So, there's a-]1377.0101
885 1377.4670Uh-huh.1377.8354