LineSpeakerSt TimeContentEn Time
1DCA_int_010She's got us0.7800
3 1.2064on the air now.1.9796 
5 2.5831Not really.3.0919 
7 4.1049But uh-4.5763 
9 4.6785uh5.0726 
11 5.2397first question is what kind of6.3470 
13 6.4343games6.8408 
15 6.9111did-7.0708 
17 7.3152did you7.6194 
19 7.7491play when you were a kid, coming up9.0634 
21 9.4001around ten years old or so?10.8421 
23 11.1289You remember?11.5504 
24DCA_se1_ag3_m_0112.1166Oh,12.2338
26 12.4183football, mostly13.5735 
27DCA_int_0113.9875Mm-hm.14.2868
29 14.6534Anything else?15.2644 
30DCA_se1_ag3_m_0116.0630I- I played16.8287
32 17.2452golf occasionally,18.3126 
34 18.4522but I never developed20.1294 
36 20.3382you know20.7621 
38 20.8295professional status.21.9518 
39DCA_int_0122.5558Mm-hm.22.9474
41 23.7878Well how bout the24.3215 
43 24.7904sort of25.1396 
45 25.2473kid-25.4443 
47 25.7012kiddish games that the children play? Did you ever play any of those?29.2905 
49 30.1085Like the game where one kid hides his eyes and everybody else hides33.3687 
50DCA_se1_ag3_m_0133.5675Oh well34.3687
52 34.6281we used to play35.3469 
54 36.6288hide and go seek quite frequently.38.4665 
56 38.9005You know, in my younger years, you know.40.6072 
57DCA_int_0140.7748Mm-hm. That's what I mean.41.7848
59 42.1315Yeah.42.3260 
61 42.7275Were you /down when you/43.4825 
63 44.7943were little45.5624 
65 45.8168kid.46.0762 
67 47.2633How do you play hide and s- hide and go seek?49.2435 
68DCA_se1_ag3_m_0150.7978Well, it-51.3844
70 52.3770sometime it would be at least twelve or54.7662 
72 55.5852eleven kids there57.1440 
74 57.9537We would-58.4483 
76 59.0568as soon as the sun go down we would60.8175 
78 61.1049always team up, and uh62.8527 
80 65.1281they would choose. We would toss a coin.67.1832 
82 68.2466Though, and those days it was a69.9261 
84 70.7106soda cap.71.5037 
85DCA_int_0171.8379Mm-hm.72.3866
86DCA_se1_ag3_m_0172.6958And uh, if it came up with the cork,75.2107
88 76.5475or if it came up with the top78.0090 
90 78.0938whichever one hit.79.1113 
91DCA_int_0179.4527Mm-hm.79.8461
92DCA_se1_ag3_m_0179.5951It was just like tossing a coin.81.1025
93 81.2322Uh,81.7110
95 84.6439whichever side you choose86.4346 
97 86.5753that would be the one that87.7325 
99 88.0268would be88.5704 
101 88.7999it89.0513 
103 89.3087they called it.89.9820 
105 90.1716And it would91.1342 
107 91.4036have to be92.0670 
109 92.4062the one that go93.2651 
111 93.4496seek out the others, you know.94.7266 
112DCA_int_0195.2603What happens if you find somebody?96.8315
113DCA_se1_ag3_m_0197.3467Well then they would be it.98.9065
114DCA_int_01100.0347The first one you find?101.2867
115DCA_se1_ag3_m_01101.7905No.102.3491
117 102.5586It would go through a stage.104.0799 
119 104.7034The last one it would have to /catch/ the last one.107.0787 
120DCA_int_01107.4977Mm-hm.107.9167
122 109.4180Mm that's good.110.0166 
123DCA_se1_ag3_m_01111.1253Something similar to tag and swimming, you know.113.7965
124DCA_int_01114.3072Well how is that-114.8060
126 115.1202how does that work?115.5193 
128 115.7088Tag and swimming?116.4770 
129DCA_se1_ag3_m_01116.6216[Yes.]117.0207
130DCA_int_01116.9458[How] do you play it swimming?117.8337
131DCA_se1_ag3_m_01118.9669Well, if-119.6653
133 119.7850but- uh- say if you have seven, eight guys, uh122.6979 
135 124.3499or, sometimes it'd be125.4972 
137 125.6518girls,126.1863 
139 126.4548and126.8688 
141 127.6962you say well, uh128.7692 
143 130.5410you're it.131.1295 
145 131.9690And he- he lose the toss up,134.0026 
146DCA_int_01134.0225Mm-hm.134.4608
147DCA_se1_ag3_m_01134.6460well everybody who jumps in the water, well the first one he tag137.4325
149 137.7146would be it.138.3132 
150DCA_int_01138.5526Mm-hm.138.8668
151DCA_se1_ag3_m_01139.0264And139.4005
153 139.9862then140.4002 
155 140.5448when he140.9339 
157 141.2232gets another one141.9913 
159 142.1010he would be it. It just keeps on til it143.8069 
161 144.6604materialized,145.5233 
162DCA_int_01146.0283Mm-hm.146.4081
163DCA_se1_ag3_m_01146.4710and the group would be finished, you know. And then they organize again, you know.149.7419
164DCA_int_01150.8365That's interesting.151.4699
166 152.5822Can you play that running too?153.9240 
168 154.0936Or-154.2532 
169DCA_se1_ag3_m_01154.7779Oh sure,155.3765
171 155.7406sure, sure.156.4190 
172DCA_int_01157.3118Was there any other ways of picking people to be it in these games beside flipping the bottle cap?162.2159
173DCA_se1_ag3_m_01163.8221No, that's164.6563
175 164.7298that's basically uh,165.9918 
177 167.4742you know [for-]168.3022 
178DCA_int_01167.8234[Did you ever] use any rhymes?169.1951
179DCA_se1_ag3_m_01170.4470No.170.8261
180DCA_int_01170.8561Uh, Tarzan was in a tree and he fell out.173.0059
181DCA_se1_ag3_m_01175.6056Well once upon a time they-177.2549
183 177.8402they'd use a thing178.7230 
185 178.8278called eenie meenie miney moe,180.4199 
186DCA_int_01181.1482Mm-hm.181.4225
187DCA_se1_ag3_m_01181.6120you know.181.8964
189 182.1358Something like that, but183.3379 
191 184.1509most of the time in-185.0238 
193 185.2083in these events, we just186.6782 
195 187.4838take the soda cop188.5103 
197 188.7258uh189.1698 
199 189.3892top and189.8930 
200DCA_int_01190.0726Mm-hm.190.4417
201DCA_se1_ag3_m_01190.4467flip it.190.8357
202DCA_int_01191.9830Sounds like a quick and easy way.193.4205
203DCA_se1_ag3_m_01193.6599Yeah.194.0839
204DCA_int_01195.0865What would you195.5104
206 195.7299do a team two?196.6178 
208 197.5306Two people against each other, and198.9830 
210 199.9457the one was left?200.7039 
212 200.8136Or how would that work if you had twelve?202.1703 
213DCA_se1_ag3_m_01203.1330Well, it had odds.204.6843
214DCA_int_01204.9496Mm.205.4392
215DCA_se1_ag3_m_01205.7626It had odds.206.6946
216DCA_int_01209.4238Okay.209.9625
218 210.8204Um,211.2893 
220 214.0287Do you have any favorite TV programs?215.8542 
221DCA_se1_ag3_m_01216.8219Yes.217.2858
222DCA_int_01218.2495What are some of those?219.2670
223DCA_se1_ag3_m_01221.2273Well221.6413
225 221.9705I definitely believe in223.5726 
227 223.7122Outcasts.224.6151 
229 226.9544Uh227.7475 
231 230.5367The Big Valley,231.5343 
233 234.7615/"Prairie Mason"/.235.5047 
234DCA_int_01236.3886Mm-hm236.7776
236 237.6755What about "The Outcasts" then?239.2595 
238 240.1345Can you tell me sorta what that's241.5761 
240 241.7407like?242.1846 
241DCA_se1_ag3_m_01243.4076Well to be frank with you, it's more like uh,246.0014
243 247.7601I don't know, it's-248.7597 
245 249.9628it's a togetherness thing.251.3444 
247 251.5381You see two people striving to253.7287 
249 253.9481do one thing,254.9008 
251 255.6799and256.2137 
253 257.0067similarly it's just like out here in the street everyday.259.5805 
255 260.4085When we try- try to get together and262.1104 
257 263.7464something pulls apart, but265.3875 
259 265.9112these people s-266.5547 
261 266.7741keep267.0086 
263 267.2540together267.9931 
265 268.6451regardless, you know.269.8028 
266DCA_int_01270.0794Mm-hm.270.4843
267DCA_se1_ag3_m_01270.3016It's togetherness.271.3989
268DCA_int_01271.6455Mm-hm.271.8935
270 272.7212Do you remember a273.6046 
272 273.6694episode, or274.6321 
274 275.3903one show that you saw that you thought was277.2059 
276 277.3705better than the others, that you remember better?279.2809 
277DCA_se1_ag3_m_01280.6224Yes, I281.5065
279 281.6462can remember one but283.0079 
281 283.0977I can't give you the date284.4827 
283 284.9432really285.3522 
285 285.4220because it was back in the winter time, but-287.7025 
286DCA_int_01288.2063Can you remember what happened?289.2388
287DCA_se1_ag3_m_01289.7625I really290.5667
289 291.2440thought that uh,292.0720 
291 293.3000well I knew that this man was really295.3301 
293 296.6519together with this297.6495 
295 298.5453fella298.9094 
297 299.0092by being a299.8771 
299 300.1564racial thing, you know.301.2837 
300DCA_int_01301.3435Mm-hm.301.6927
302 303.2399Well what happened on that one that you remember?305.2650 
304 305.3648Can you remember the306.1178 
305DCA_se1_ag3_m_01307.0308[Well]307.5745
306DCA_int_01307.1598[story?]307.5772
307DCA_se1_ag3_m_01310.9523I can give you a brief312.1095
309 312.2142episode of it,313.3415 
311 313.4213thing that I seen or-314.6683 
313 316.0859I remember they came into town318.2363 
315 318.8542and319.3505 
317 321.2843this is a fugutive thing, you know.323.2595 
318DCA_int_01323.2795Mm-hm.323.5538
319DCA_se1_ag3_m_01323.5438They were bounty hunters.324.8158
320DCA_int_01324.9953Mm-hm.325.3146
321DCA_se1_ag3_m_01325.6687And326.3038
323 328.2235the minute they got into town, the d-329.8181 
325 330.0741the dude they- they were hunting for332.0343 
327 333.5766somebody ambushed him,335.0630 
329 335.5019and killed him,336.1354 
331 337.6168and338.3002 
333 338.6942the sheriff got shot339.9113 
335 341.2191the same time.342.3383 
337 343.3520And he knew344.6807 
339 345.3042these two fellas had bounty hunters, and he knew they were348.0536 
341 348.2431capable348.8267 
343 349.1060of taking care of themselves.350.7322 
344DCA_int_01350.7510Mm-hm.351.2563
345DCA_se1_ag3_m_01352.0250I mean352.5487
347 352.6335even353.1223 
349 353.4216if one was black or white,354.8432 
351 355.5614he deputized the black one.357.4851 
352DCA_int_01357.4752Mm-hm.357.8499
353DCA_se1_ag3_m_01359.4730And uh360.2860
355 362.9945this man wanted363.8773 
357 364.0369to364.3462 
359 364.6854take over this town and make it wholesome again,367.3693 
361 367.8986and uh368.6817 
363 373.6307the white fella told him he was crazy, you know.376.0100 
365 376.5587So377.0275 
367 378.2256well you know, they live in a town was /pall/ white.380.8094 
369 381.4079And back in those days when the west was really like that384.4965 
370DCA_int_01384.6874Mm-hmm385.0941
371DCA_se1_ag3_m_01385.1798it seemed crazy for a colored man try to rule the whole388.1358
373 388.4619town, that were white.389.8036 
375 390.6929S-390.8969 
377 391.0366But391.5155 
379 393.2563down the line, he deputized this white fella.395.7852 
380DCA_int_01396.0171Mm-hm.396.3037
381DCA_se1_ag3_m_01396.4544And396.9084
383 399.0782he came in399.9760 
385 400.6623on the scene, and401.6919 
387 402.4550he really402.9897 
389 403.2741produced.403.9674 
391 404.8752He showed that he was a part of-406.4863 
393 406.6409he was407.0898 
395 409.0012in other words, what they call this day, a soul brother.411.8044 
396DCA_int_01412.0128Mm-hm.412.3570
397DCA_se1_ag3_m_01412.5714So413.0852
399 413.3994you know413.6937 
401 416.3433that416.5478 
403 416.9768took care of this thing pretty nice you know.419.0468 
404DCA_int_01421.5717How bout "The Big Valley"?422.6441
406 422.7538Do you remember an episode of that?424.2103 
407DCA_se1_ag3_m_01425.6568Oh I've watched "The Big Valley" for years.428.0777
409 429.4985I seen one, I think I seen 'em [all]-431.4488 
410DCA_int_01431.2060[<laugh>]431.9373
411DCA_se1_ag3_m_01432.3466[all of 'em was]433.4699
412DCA_int_01432.3892[/unintelligible/]433.5316
413DCA_se1_ag3_m_01434.3727yeah.434.5822
414DCA_int_01436.2183You can't remember the story of one of them?437.8952
415DCA_se1_ag3_m_01438.9876Of "The Big Valley"?440.0600
416DCA_int_01440.1868Mm-hm.440.5446
417DCA_se1_ag3_m_01443.3869Well,443.8658
419 444.1910to be discrete, I say445.6475 
421 445.8071I seen one where447.1244 
423 448.3609the son,449.1613 
425 451.0436he was similar to a outcast is-453.1934 
427 455.1555His father,456.1554 
429 457.0020well he was uh458.0096 
431 459.8401whatcha call it, a460.7280 
433 461.5061illegitmate child. He wasn't born by his mother,464.1412 
435 464.2654and464.5298 
436DCA_int_01464.4771Mm-hm.464.8254
437DCA_se1_ag3_m_01466.1908they466.5050
439 467.0969finally467.6672 
441 468.1510accepted him as a son469.8525 
443 469.9327and a brother, you know.471.1248 
445 471.7533And472.2244 
447 474.8010this man,475.5791 
449 476.9966this son477.6501 
451 477.7944he had478.4082 
453 479.1265killed this other man's son in a481.1815 
455 481.5207fair duel.482.2589 
457 482.8485And this-483.4171 
459 483.5802this man he had484.5843 
461 484.8985cash money.485.6171 
463 486.0659He was486.6695 
465 487.4241in the millions,488.2804 
467 488.4500and uh489.0136 
469 490.2666he hired this491.3340 
471 493.4489gun-slinger to come shoot him down so.495.6610 
473 497.9440by doing so498.9316 
475 500.8629this man s- saved his life when he first came to town. They had other505.4070 
477 505.8609people looking for him to kill him.507.6615 
478DCA_int_01508.0463Hm.508.3225
479DCA_se1_ag3_m_01508.4805And he saved his life,509.7724
481 509.9420and510.2562 
483 510.6054they gave him uh511.5182 
485 512.0519shelter in their home,513.3338 
487 513.4445treated him like he was a514.9010 
489 515.2152emperor,515.8627 
491 516.3874what's516.5420 
493 516.8613/what so for/.517.5695 
495 518.3527And518.8365 
497 519.1856later519.6196 
499 520.4064he found out that this fella was the one that he522.8827 
501 523.5158had been sent to kill.524.9278 
502DCA_int_01525.1123Mm.525.2719
503DCA_se1_ag3_m_01526.1508So he played it as long as he could so finally529.0357
505 530.6699they had a show down in town one day.532.6351 
507 533.0900He533.4891 
509 533.7684figured that only way he could get this boy to draw on him536.2624 
511 536.4818was to537.2849 
513 537.7936harass his sister which he's-539.3309 
515 539.6402was deeply in-540.3983 
517 541.4059in love with,541.9945 
519 542.3935family-wise you [know.]543.6804 
520DCA_int_01543.3961[Mm-hm.]543.7502
521DCA_se1_ag3_m_01544.2793So,544.7179
523 545.6816he did so,546.5195 
525 547.0233and the boy didn't draw,548.1805 
527 549.3597and549.8714 
529 550.0809he550.3004 
531 551.1045just beat him551.7828 
533 552.4013up and down the street.553.3839 
535 553.6483His sister was screaming please don't draw, please.555.9029 
537 556.3069So556.6111 
539 557.2795he didn't,557.8092 
541 557.9788and558.3180 
543 560.1412as time560.8669 
545 561.6200came to pass562.5578 
547 562.8521his mother went into town and offered him a reward not to k-kill her son,567.0231 
548DCA_int_01567.1549Mm-hm.567.4750
549DCA_se1_ag3_m_01568.2101which wasn't568.9134
551 569.0581actually her son,570.2951 
553 570.6003out of birth,571.6428 
555 571.9820but572.3062 
557 572.4808as an adopted kid t- they had accepted him.575.2192 
559 575.8377So576.3913 
561 577.0108they- he gave him a whole lot of money579.0010 
563 579.3202and579.7392 
565 580.2031at the end580.8416 
567 582.1095they were supposed to meet582.9525 
569 583.0422to shoot it out.583.7256 
571 583.8802Sh-584.0847 
573 584.8112so, when they sh-sh- got ready to shoot it out, it was the sa-same fella that hide him.588.9031 
575 590.1411He shot590.8893 
577 591.0189this man,591.7821 
579 592.3707and592.8445 
581 593.5578for him,594.2659 
583 595.4093cause he seen a gun flash597.0154 
585 597.9332and598.4570 
587 599.4945the son of the w-600.3424 
589 600.9868woman I was talking about, uh Barbara Stanwyck, as it is,604.0744 
591 605.2515he shot605.8850 
593 606.4187this fella607.0023 
595 607.4273but he thought he was drawing for his protection,609.7916 
596DCA_int_01609.9238Mm-hm.610.2878
597DCA_se1_ag3_m_01610.5547but he was actually drawing to save him because612.8492
599 613.1235this man wanted him dead. He thought this other guy was riding out on the whole deal.616.7139 
600DCA_int_01617.6286Hm.617.8431
602 619.1898That's quite a619.6886 
604 620.5875complicated plot621.5801 
606 621.7546there, for awhile [there.]623.3059 
607DCA_se1_ag3_m_01623.1862[Indeed.]623.7348
608DCA_int_01625.1065What about movies? Have you gotta favorite movie627.4419
610 627.6763that you've seen you could talk about?629.3523 
611DCA_se1_ag3_m_01630.6441Well,631.0881
613 632.6204to tell the truth, I uh634.0120 
615 635.1941I went to see The Wild Bunch.636.8052 
616DCA_int_01636.9100Mm-hm.637.2891
618 639.0907Frank was gonna tell about that one.640.8315 
619DCA_se1_ag3_m_01640.9362It was a tough [thing.]641.9089
620DCA_int_01641.7094[Haveta] ask him.642.2431
621 642.7519<laugh>643.7495
622DCA_se1_ag3_m_01642.9514It's a tough thing.643.7844
623DCA_int_01644.5276What happened in the -?645.3408
624DCA_se1_ag3_m_01646.8230Well,647.2869
626 648.7384actually I can't ex- state650.1481 
628 650.9081state it651.4069 
630 651.6174as it was stated on film because uh,654.1463 
632 655.2187they stated that uh656.3161 
634 656.7201if you wasn't over 18 you couldn't be-658.9706 
635DCA_int_01658.8110<laugh>659.4146
636DCA_se1_ag3_m_01659.7887be admitted, you know, but661.4097
638 661.4796you know.661.9385 
640 662.4522Quite a few was admitted anyway.664.1691 
641DCA_int_01664.3187Mm-hm.664.6878
642DCA_se1_ag3_m_01665.2315It was-665.7203
644 666.4486it was-666.9224 
646 667.7255that's about the best movie I've seen in669.6209 
647DCA_int_01670.0077[Mm-hm.]670.2663
648DCA_se1_ag3_m_01670.0159[quite awhile.] Everything was671.5772
649 672.0610right straight to the point.673.1334
650DCA_int_01673.4812Mm-hm.673.7982
652 674.6846What was the story about?675.7670 
653DCA_se1_ag3_m_01678.9154Well,679.2596
655 681.2398they were professionals.682.6165 
656DCA_int_01682.9327Mm-hm.683.2403
657DCA_se1_ag3_m_01683.6051Back in the old days,684.8421
659 686.1589you know bank robbers and things like that,688.2588 
661 688.8384but they already had a name /ekstablished/.691.3523 
663 692.5373So, okay these uh694.1955 
665 697.8526officers, they enter699.2685 
667 699.6283this city.700.3516 
669 700.8404They all, it was about701.8589 
671 702.5323eight of 'em on horseback,703.9539 
673 704.7220but they already had705.8094 
675 706.1037people planted there, waiting you know.708.0799 
677 708.7982They had civilian clothes on, but these710.6686 
679 711.2722eight that entered,712.3380 
681 713.0828they had regular military uniforms on. In the old days716.5155 
683 716.7250with they717.1490 
685 717.4682washed out hat type [things.]718.9347 
686DCA_int_01718.6322[Mm-hm]718.9617
687DCA_se1_ag3_m_01720.0031And they enter,720.7662
689 722.3175and722.7714 
691 724.2548time they got there,725.3701 
693 725.4998and entered the bank,726.4226 
695 727.1717they had this727.8601 
697 728.3040the- this reception waiting on 'em,729.9168 
699 730.0166for 'em on top of the roof.731.2785 
701 731.3983They- they were bounty hunters.732.9096 
702DCA_int_01733.4615Mm.733.6687
703DCA_se1_ag3_m_01733.9920And734.4319
705 734.9108they went in the bank,735.8235 
707 736.0580so they736.5019 
709 737.5244got the little money738.5520 
711 738.6467that they thought they were getting,739.9935 
713 741.0519and when they came out,742.0694 
715 743.0221got ready to get out of there, uh745.0273 
717 746.2543they discovered746.9078 
719 747.1631they747.3826 
721 747.5921could see the gleam from rifles on rooftops, so750.3804 
723 750.5051they said well we can't make it.751.6698 
725 752.4526So that's about that time church meeting was /turning out/.755.2239 
727 756.4352So this man, well he was very /??/ conman.759.3796 
729 759.9503So William Holden760.9079 
731 761.2670actually p-761.8032 
733 762.0426and762.3586 
735 762.5453William763.0001 
737 763.1581uh763.5699 
739 764.3359William Holden and Ernest Borgnine766.2472 
741 766.4291and um767.0228 
743 770.0534I can't think of the name of the last fellow,771.6870 
745 771.8306but they features, they was on the side by side774.2772 
747 774.6315and uh775.5699 
749 777.0119Cary Grant,777.7636 
751 778.7326he was779.4029 
753 779.5969one of the opposed ones that was781.4938 
755 781.6375seeking,782.2694 
757 782.6764you know,783.0690 
759 783.3371for him,783.8398 
761 785.2331and uh785.9644 
763 789.5909they waited til this790.6394 
765 790.7495church turned out.791.7310 
767 792.3974And792.7038 
769 792.9337the people come down the river.794.4801 
771 795.4855I mean the street, excuse me.796.8883 
772DCA_int_01797.1829/??/797.6192
773DCA_se1_ag3_m_01798.1858It's uh798.8810
775 799.0246stating,799.5896 
777 800.6477shall we gather at the river802.2228 
779 802.3378singing this song.803.2666 
780DCA_int_01803.3799Mm-hm.803.7185
781DCA_se1_ag3_m_01803.9464So when they got him804.6129
783 804.7278right in front of this uh-806.1354 
785 807.9787it's a railway express building that they was taking,810.4827 
787 810.7852and811.2832 
789 813.4855they said let's go.814.3808 
791 816.1437So all of 'em816.9432 
793 817.1778broke out817.8098 
795 817.9726in the street, and819.1791 
797 819.6292everybody starts shooting.820.7399 
799 820.8740They killed a lot of innocent people,822.4731 
801 823.0294women823.5848 
803 824.1593and everything else.825.3453 
805 826.5101And826.8788 
807 827.8133they left this one828.8858 
809 829.3598specific idiot830.4274 
811 830.7434to guard831.4669 
813 832.2133I think it was three womens and833.7214 
815 834.6129oh834.9384 
817 835.3598a fella, young fella, and a old man.837.5478 
819 838.0342He told him say if they holler, kill 'em,839.8315 
821 839.9369you know.840.3160 
823 841.2018So uh841.8481 
825 843.2414After they shot up the whole town, I mean people just laying in the street just like Vietnam I guess.848.2216 
826DCA_int_01848.2798Mm-hm.848.5779
827DCA_se1_ag3_m_01849.2414And849.6818
829 850.8644it was five of 'em that got away,852.7199 
831 853.6566that853.8768 
833 854.1067l-lived to uh855.4281 
835 855.6818get away856.3425 
837 856.6681out of the whole bunch that were.858.0901 
839 859.4699And860.0779 
841 861.2031after- after they got away,862.9841 
843 864.8044this fella that they told to kill these if they said anything, well he was left holding the whole bag by hisself.869.9847 
845 871.0246So871.6997 
847 872.4179he made one mistake. He looked out the window and all of 'em ran. He went out and shot all of 'em.876.9576 
849 877.5465So,877.9678 
851 878.0301by the way they had879.0307 
853 879.7148the /??/ was getting itself together, they can't even881.8363 
855 882.2059investigate.883.1922 
857 884.2024They found him so they shot him886.0074 
859 886.9602two times. So he fell888.6263 
861 889.2066and he act like he was dead.890.5663 
863 891.7536And892.1175 
865 894.6560out of nowhere he just came to life again and shot about five or six more of 'em just like that.899.2091 
867 899.9321So900.4252 
869 901.0581then the hunt was on.902.1545 
871 902.2599This man902.9302 
873 903.2366that was pursuing them, that904.5532 
875 904.7160was charge of the railroad,906.3965 
877 907.0581he was uh, he had some connection with the president and910.3330 
879 910.8022This fella911.3767 
881 912.5794and really s- way he r-913.9439 
883 914.2359remembered how they had treated him down there so he told him say if you don't get 'em say918.0661 
885 918.4597I'm'a send you back so.919.8338 
887 920.6381That was Cary Grant's g- job to922.5819 
889 922.7208go923.0799 
891 923.2618seek them out so924.3390 
893 925.2305it was a chase.926.3077 
895 927.4855Morning, noon, and night,928.5867 
897 928.8261you know.929.2283 
898DCA_int_01929.4284Mm-hm.929.7548
899DCA_se1_ag3_m_01930.5028So finally they chased him across the border.932.9302
901 933.2892They got across the border,934.5867 
903 936.3113and the fella that was with 'em, one of 'em was Spanish.938.9924 
905 939.6914When he came to his home land941.4772 
907 942.2299he found that the girl that he was supposed to marry had went off945.3802 
909 945.7728with uh946.3617 
911 947.3288this bandit.948.0518 
913 948.3591And uh948.9241 
915 949.3646he had taken her950.3891 
917 951.4041but to come to find out,952.4814 
919 952.7926the bandit hadn't really taken her. She wanted to go. She was tired of955.8529 
921 956.7243the old way of life. She-958.1750 
922DCA_int_01958.2373Mm.958.3597
923DCA_se1_ag3_m_01958.7495and the city where they were,960.0470
925 960.6320which was a little small town,962.1833 
927 962.6956she had everything you know,963.8630 
928DCA_int_01963.7877Mm-hm.964.0953
929DCA_se1_ag3_m_01964.6825clothes965.3444
931 966.0575and things she wanted to uh967.5321 
933 967.8864consume.968.5806 
935 969.8877Some water,970.5771 
937 970.7399anything, you know.971.6065 
939 972.9863So973.6470 
941 973.8673uh974.3317 
943 977.3968he came to this town after they ran across the border. He seen her.980.8535 
945 981.0259So he tried to talk to her.982.5676 
947 982.8309He tried to express his love to her984.6139 
949 984.7086and all that.985.1922 
951 986.9349And she snatched away from him and went up988.5331 
953 988.6920and sit where all the989.9129 
955 990.2442Mexico gentlemen /was were/,992.2264 
957 992.9062so she was993.8303 
959 994.8883making the passionate love to him.996.6272 
961 996.7134Uh, you know,997.7332 
962DCA_int_01997.9407Mm-hm.998.2640
963DCA_se1_ag3_m_01999.3227and he couldn't take it. He jumps up and he shoots her.1002.2050
964DCA_int_011002.7613Hm.1002.9480
965DCA_se1_ag3_m_011004.0348And when he shoots her, they thought that he was tryna assassinate the gentlemen1007.3480
967 1007.7837because blood was all over him.1009.3263 
969 1009.5082They had magnums,1010.5615 
971 1010.7147forty four magnums.1011.7441 
973 1011.8207They make quite a hole.1012.8453 
974DCA_int_011013.0638Mm-hm.1013.3193
975DCA_se1_ag3_m_011014.1485And after that1015.0725
977 1015.6183yeah- all these men ran down there and grabbed this girl1018.0265 
979 1018.3234so1018.7208 
981 1020.1772the other four1020.9720 
983 1021.1491told 'em say f-1021.7428 
985 1021.8816you know, hold it, say.1022.9732 
987 1023.5909He wasn't tryna kill the gentlemen, say he1025.4762 
989 1027.1807was in love with this girl, and1028.5021 
991 1029.3074he was trying to uh,1030.4708 
993 1031.7539you know he just went off behind them.1033.2238 
995 1033.9036She doing the same to him right in front of his present.1036.4756 
997 1038.0077So1038.5008 
999 1039.0514they took him and they beat him up.1040.5308 
1001 1041.3467So they made a-1042.0351 
1003 1043.1028they made a deal1044.0508 
1005 1044.2135to hijacks1045.1424 
1007 1046.1909this uh1046.8851 
1009 1047.8675cargo train,1048.7916 
1011 1049.2416it had rifles.1050.4194 
1013 1051.8414Sixteen boxes to-1053.3313 
1015 1053.7957to the /maximum/ I think.1054.9639 
1017 1056.1274And1056.5008 
1019 1056.5822anyway1057.1854 
1021 1058.3355their sort of release of the fella that's /?/,1060.7102 
1023 1061.0693that shot1061.5959 
1025 1061.7348this girl.1062.3572 
1026DCA_int_011062.3907Mm-hm.1062.8168
1027DCA_se1_ag3_m_011063.2429So they gave him-1064.1238
1029 1065.2070say they didn't need you1066.0878 
1031 1066.5330so they let him go.1067.3805 
1033 1068.5487So they rode off.1069.6211 
1035 1070.3249So they really hijacked the train.1072.0638 
1037 1073.0741They made it to the uh1073.9981 
1039 1075.2452the pursuiter1076.0472 
1041 1076.6314who1076.8324 
1043 1077.4606uh-1078.0495 
1045 1079.8449they made him look read bad1081.1807 
1047 1081.2812cause they1081.8845 
1049 1082.2818took the train and1083.2346 
1051 1083.6617derailed it.1084.5043 
1053 1084.8538Not derailed it but uh1086.3141 
1055 1090.0543you know, took it apart.1091.1650 
1057 1091.2820And1091.5035 
1059 1091.6821one, the end of it was going this way and the other part was [steering there], with with the people that had to protects it and they was gone with the rifles you know.1098.2518 
1060DCA_int_011094.1622[<laugh>]1094.6744
1061 1098.3141<laugh>1098.9221
1062DCA_se1_ag3_m_011099.5302So anyway1100.3154
1064 1102.5091after that1103.1985 
1066 1103.5289they carried the guns on his back.1104.8120 
1068 1105.3626So they had a welcome committee set up for him when they got back.1108.3894 
1070 1108.8730The whole Spanish army was there, but this man was thinking all the time1112.1909 
1072 1113.2164he wasn't expecting to find uh1115.4810 
1074 1116.3991a water cooler machine gun on- on this train1119.5111 
1076 1119.7266but he did. He found it.1120.8230 
1078 1121.7374And uh he had ammo for it, so he set it up on the wagon1124.7834 
1080 1125.1185just to protect hisself against1126.5692 
1082 1126.8038his pursuor,1127.6082 
1084 1127.9231uh whoever1128.7114 
1086 1129.2463was coming1129.8777 
1088 1130.2839to get the rifle, so when it got there in this passage,1132.8746 
1090 1133.6429well,1133.9687 
1092 1134.9943well just like any /?/, they had people all around.1137.4810 
1094 1138.1321Spanish, that is.1139.1577 
1096 1139.3105And1139.6001 
1098 1140.6184they was gonna take the1141.6761 
1100 1141.7565weapons1142.3840 
1102 1142.4925and1142.9068 
1104 1142.9872not give 'em the gold that they bargained for, see.1145.5371 
1105DCA_int_011145.4602Mm-hm.1145.7379
1106DCA_se1_ag3_m_011146.4428So when they got in this canyon1148.0998
1108 1149.4712this one trooper1150.3198 
1110 1150.6134came up,1151.1563 
1112 1152.0862and he say you got the rifle? So he say yeah we got a rifle.1155.3961 
1114 1156.1973And he say come on in. He said no, you come to me.1158.5695 
1116 1160.1869So he came up there, so he told 'em what he would do so.1162.8220 
1118 1163.9522He had also-1164.9455 
1120 1165.2512was smart enough to1166.2526 
1122 1167.8662tie a1168.5097 
1124 1168.6746few sticks of dynamite together.1170.4120 
1126 1171.3258He said well if you come to this wagon1173.4453 
1128 1174.3783without the gold1175.1787 
1130 1176.5388say1176.9330 
1132 1177.2185I will blow this thing up.1178.4371 
1134 1178.7388So he lit it.1179.4345 
1136 1179.9131So he let it burn and so long so the guy say okay.1182.6729 
1137DCA_int_011182.9263Mm.1183.2440
1138DCA_se1_ag3_m_011184.3058Say don't do it,1185.0096
1140 1185.4775so he cut it.1186.3148 
1142 1187.1942So he went back1188.0549 
1144 1188.3565and they made a bargain1189.3861 
1146 1189.8929that1190.1101 
1148 1190.3876he sends so many cases of rifles1192.5360 
1150 1193.5495and1194.0281 
1152 1194.3619the people that he sent with the rifle come back with so many1196.7710 
1154 1197.5118pouches of gold.1198.5042 
1156 1199.1929So they did so,1200.1662 
1158 1200.7815but at last1201.7436 
1160 1202.0372that they sent1202.7008 
1162 1203.9596was this1204.3939 
1164 1204.5468Spanish fella1205.5040 
1166 1206.6108and one of the troopers that was with them.1208.5734 
1168 1209.7639And when he sent him with him,1211.3565 
1170 1212.3869the guy there with the ri- <stutter> he told him to say um1215.0131 
1172 1216.7715we got the rifle so they throw1218.4647 
1174 1218.9875two sacks of gold1220.0855 
1176 1220.2544to one fella.1221.0427 
1178 1221.1271They didn't even throw it to the Spanish fellow1222.8251 
1180 1223.2233that was riding with the1224.2408 
1182 1224.6832outlaws.1225.5551 
1183DCA_int_011225.3345Mm-hm.1225.7119
1184DCA_se1_ag3_m_011226.2485So he said what is this?1227.3907
1186 1228.9512So he said1229.5946 
1188 1230.0853that was fif-1230.9049 
1190 1231.0546that was sixteen1232.1016 
1192 1233.0140boxes of rifles. See we only received fifteen.1235.5679 
1194 1237.1693He said well, somebody else musta stole 'em. He said no, say he stole 'em.1240.5638 
1196 1241.0946That was the one that shot his girlfriend,1242.9053 
1197DCA_int_011242.7235Mm-hm.1243.0475
1198DCA_se1_ag3_m_011243.1908killed her.1243.5407
1200 1245.8308So he looked around,1247.0035 
1202 1249.7633so he say well he's a thief.1251.3680 
1204 1251.9921So they took him.1252.7281 
1206 1254.6465He rode back with his gold so1256.4322 
1208 1256.6494they split up1257.2889 
1210 1257.8367the gold. They buried half of it, and they just kept enough for spending you see.1261.5568 
1212 1261.9035You know procedures.1262.7159 
1214 1264.6786So they thought about this. This man had r- ridden with them all these years1268.1743 
1216 1269.2723as a young boy.1270.3059 
1218 1271.5494So they went back to this camp.1273.0978 
1220 1273.6207They couldn't get out because the pursuers were still there, they could s-1276.8985 
1222 1277.1285take1277.4181 
1224 1277.8042high glasses- spy glasses and see 'em,1279.8955 
1226 1281.0015and when they got back1282.0110 
1228 1283.8578they /?/ 'em, they was1284.9316 
1230 1285.0563having a fiesta. They had1286.5524 
1232 1287.4702this machine gun mounted. They had rifles.1290.0040 
1234 1290.2935You know, they was into something, you know.1292.0993 
1235DCA_int_011292.0993Mm-hm.1292.4090
1236DCA_se1_ag3_m_011293.0171Fifteen, sixteen cases of rifles is a lot of rifles.1295.6112
1237DCA_int_011295.3672Mm yeah.1295.7912
1238DCA_se1_ag3_m_011296.7863And they was built1297.6591
1240 1298.0009something like M1s,1299.3362 
1241DCA_int_011299.5692Mm-hm.1299.9368
1242DCA_se1_ag3_m_011300.0320American style.1300.9369
1244 1302.0147And1302.4652 
1246 1304.4326this man told him say,1305.7116 
1248 1307.1160to him, they was driving him around in an old antique car.1310.0318 
1250 1310.1404Dragging him.1310.8764 
1252 1312.0837Just dragging him. So they say, turn him a loose, I'll give you my part of the gold back.1315.8522 
1254 1316.8938So he said no,1318.1494 
1256 1318.3949say he stays.1319.5088 
1258 1321.4594So he say-1322.3120 
1260 1322.5059so the other one say, I'll give you my share of the gold. He says, no he stays.1325.9284 
1262 1327.8659So the other1328.6399 
1264 1329.4081general1329.9712 
1266 1330.2969say,1330.6991 
1268 1331.1294let's don't make trouble, say1332.2596 
1270 1332.5894we'll just go1333.2176 
1272 1334.1064get a drink you know.1335.0113 
1274 1335.1601They was drinking tequila,1336.2983 
1276 1336.4632wine.1336.9297 
1278 1338.0365So I mean, if you could see the way they was treating that fella, you know, they's1340.9443 
1280 1341.1776dragging him.1341.7446 
1282 1341.9900He wasn't dead, they was just dragging him.1343.6638 
1284 1344.6532But they say well1345.4093 
1286 1345.8678some-1346.2820 
1288 1347.6664you know to get that out of your st- out of your1349.5727 
1290 1350.5580thinking this.1351.1452 
1291DCA_int_011351.1452Mm-hm.1351.5353
1292DCA_se1_ag3_m_011351.9094So they all went and got a drink,1353.4867
1294 1355.1317and in the meantime they1356.3141 
1296 1356.4749went, and1357.2150 
1298 1357.6019they got1358.0845 
1300 1359.8621pretty sh- pretty sharped up.1361.4829 
1302 1361.8529And they had their girls and things, so1363.9611 
1304 1364.7253later on1365.3527 
1306 1366.3099all of 'em came out,1367.3757 
1308 1368.9197and1369.3311 
1310 1371.2173then anybody realized what they were getting ready to do.1373.9713 
1311DCA_int_011374.3512Huh.1374.5186
1312DCA_se1_ag3_m_011375.0268So when they came out, all of 'em ran-1376.5068
1314 1377.2307ran up to the horse.1378.3367 
1316 1380.6058They got the rifles.1381.8888 
1318 1382.2628They already had forty five though.1383.9729 
1320 1384.9784And they had forty fours1386.5823 
1322 1387.0416magnum, stuck in the bag.1388.4741 
1324 1389.4756Then they had another sack of caliber pistols stuck in the side, plus their knives.1394.3387 
1326 1395.3120They went up there,1396.2732 
1328 1397.4034and all f-1397.8940 
1330 1398.1603all four of 'em stood up and looked at the general.1400.4849 
1332 1400.7986They was partying,1401.6874 
1334 1401.9046soldiers all around .1403.3605 
1336 1405.0907So they told him they wanted1406.3334 
1338 1408.1038their companion,1409.1414 
1340 1409.6039and uh1410.1228 
1342 1411.8723the man said no.1413.2759 
1344 1414.4269So they said, we want him.1415.8910 
1346 1416.3936So everybody's tryna look. It was1418.2074 
1348 1418.6062a state of shock1419.4630 
1350 1419.5917to see somebody talk to the general like that. That's four mens and they got a whole army.1423.7028 
1351DCA_int_011423.7069Mm-hm.1424.1694
1352DCA_se1_ag3_m_011424.3463Plus all his lieutenants and1425.9028
1354 1426.5825things around the table he was sitting.1428.4687 
1355DCA_int_011428.4816Mm-hm.1428.7962
1356DCA_se1_ag3_m_011429.5835So he said, okay. You want him?1431.0676
1358 1431.3652So1431.6387 
1360 1431.9242you could see him1432.9257 
1362 1433.2120laying1433.7952 
1364 1435.1344on the floor. He was1436.3628 
1366 1437.5717You know of m-1438.0623 
1368 1438.4613a matter of days, he woulda died [anyway.]1440.5406 
1369DCA_int_011440.1400[Mm-hm.]1440.5239
1370DCA_se1_ag3_m_011441.6466Without medical care, they were just-1443.4765
1372 1443.7025they was using him as a puppet, you know,1445.5646 
1374 1445.7255doing, do- doing that thing.1447.2618 
1376 1447.9496So he1448.3879 
1378 1448.5697picked him up,1449.2293 
1380 1449.4666stood him on his feet. So he looked,1451.2643 
1382 1451.7027and his eyes focus and he seeing his four friends. So I think he felt1455.1341 
1384 1455.8782good about dying like that. [He seeing] his four friends.1458.9798 
1385DCA_int_011457.5044Mm-hm.1457.8937
1386DCA_se1_ag3_m_011459.1165They had came back.1460.0737
1388 1460.3311They hadn't deserted him.1461.3406 
1389DCA_int_011461.5430Mm-hm.1461.9392
1390DCA_se1_ag3_m_011462.9373The general1463.5526
1392 1463.7384had a knife in his hand, a dagger.1465.4959 
1394 1466.2078He said, okay. You want him?1467.5833 
1396 1468.4480And he took his hand back like that,1470.3632 
1398 1470.9503cut his throat,1471.6984 
1400 1472.1730and you see blood that's splashed out like that.1474.7156 
1402 1475.5682And when they pushed him away,1477.1085 
1404 1480.4072I guess all four of 'em shot him at once.1482.5348 
1406 1482.6514He just-1483.1019 
1408 1483.7140his /just sits/ in the air, that's where they- that's how fast he shot him.1486.3282 
1410 1486.7987And everybody was so astonished and amazed about this thing1489.8279 
1412 1490.3226that they couldn't move.1491.3120 
1413DCA_int_011491.6096Hm.1491.8751
1414DCA_se1_ag3_m_011492.1164So another general came to the door that,1494.0106
1416 1494.3091he was supposed to be the biggest general,1496.1430 
1418 1497.5868/??/ and shot him.1498.9663 
1420 1499.7715And when he shot him,1500.6482 
1422 1500.9418the fight was on.1501.8347 
1424 1502.5144When they got through,1503.6123 
1426 1503.9349I don't think it was a soldier in the villa.1505.7326 
1428 1506.9231But all of the-1507.6309 
1430 1507.7998all of them died that I guess that's the way they wanted it.1510.2942 
1431DCA_int_011510.5770[Mm]1511.0170
1432DCA_se1_ag3_m_011510.7245[All of] them died, right there.1512.4861
1433 1513.4433So1513.8052
1435 1515.1453that sums up that.1516.2473 
1437 1516.6334[But it was] very interesting.1518.2468 
1438DCA_int_011516.7701[I think so.]1517.3573
1439 1518.7617Mm-hm.1519.0794
1441 1520.1331You must have left out the parts that was under eighteen <laugh>1524.3359 
1442DCA_se1_ag3_m_011523.8855<laugh>1524.3569
1443 1524.7711Yes, I1525.4186
1445 1525.8650I had better do that.1527.1000 
1446DCA_int_011525.8811<clears throat>1526.2592
1447 1527.6065Yeah.1527.8880
1449 1528.4350Guess you have to. Well it sounds like an exciting movie.1530.9374 
1451 1533.0609Uh, what did you study in elementary school? What were the subjects they had1536.4038 
1453 1537.0111then?1537.1720 
1454DCA_se1_ag3_m_011538.6641In elementary school, I had1540.3178
1456 1540.8769you know, normal basics. You know, you had the math,1543.7806 
1458 1544.3287English,1544.9719 
1460 1546.4157um, a small portion of algebra.1548.5473 
1461DCA_int_011549.3524Mm-hm.1549.7707
1462DCA_se1_ag3_m_011550.0040And uh1550.7641
1464 1552.6825arithmetic1553.4788 
1466 1553.6317normally,1554.2912 
1468 1554.7023and history.1555.3538 
1469DCA_int_011560.5789How about in high school?1561.8418
1470DCA_se1_ag3_m_011562.7910In high school, I had1564.1021
1472 1564.2348algebra,1564.9193 
1474 1565.1365geometry,1565.9569 
1476 1566.8337English, history,1568.1689 
1478 1569.0216music,1569.6814 
1480 1570.4059science,1571.4475 
1482 1573.3096and uh1574.1180 
1484 1578.4262And I think that just about sums it up.1580.2810 
1485DCA_int_011580.5424Mm-hm.1580.9607
1487 1582.4005What about after school was out1584.1299 
1489 1584.7460when you were in elementary school?1586.0652 
1491 1586.3548What did you do as a child?1587.6940 
1493 1588.1525After school mostly.1589.4797 
1494DCA_se1_ag3_m_011590.4900I uh, enlisted1591.7247
1496 1592.2636in the uh-1592.9594 
1498 1593.8201a- after uh1594.9221 
1500 1595.2325[high school you mean.]1596.8413 
1501DCA_int_011595.2969[Everyday after school.]1596.8010
1502DCA_se1_ag3_m_011597.2233You mean h-1597.7582
1504 1597.9955high school uh?1599.0372 
1505DCA_int_011599.1538Elementary school every day.1600.5462
1506DCA_se1_ag3_m_011600.5059Oh well,1601.4430
1507DCA_int_011601.4430[At school /?/]1603.0035
1508DCA_se1_ag3_m_011601.9820[I had to-]1603.0156
1509 1603.6510I had chores such as um1605.6267
1511 1608.5400getting uh1609.3790 
1513 1610.0018a little coal and the wood and stuff in,1612.0401 
1514DCA_int_011612.6269Mm-hm.1613.1673
1515DCA_se1_ag3_m_011613.6161et cetera, like that.1614.8721
1516DCA_int_011617.1574You living in Georgia at the time or?1618.8778
1517DCA_se1_ag3_m_011620.8130Well,1621.5130
1519 1622.4549I had uh1623.3814 
1521 1624.2616I had a /part/ of Georgia at that time. I migrated here at the age of thirteen.1628.3958 
1523 1630.1407And uh1630.9076 
1524DCA_int_011636.8691Okay uh1637.9861
1526 1638.6037what about in high school? What did kids do after school in high school?1641.8452 
1527DCA_se1_ag3_m_011643.8858Well uh,1645.1623
1529 1645.9817I also had my job cut out in high school, now. In high school,1649.4458 
1531 1650.3054when I,1650.7944 
1533 1651.0888when we were out of school, I- I played1653.3907 
1535 1653.5332football1654.1874 
1537 1654.4023for the team.1655.1602 
1539 1655.8860I would-1656.4038 
1541 1656.8845every evening I would have to do that.1658.4863 
1543 1658.7385You know.1659.2172 
1545 1660.6996Like1660.9959 
1547 1661.1278practice, you know.1662.0173 
1548DCA_int_011662.0224Mm-hm.1662.4033
1549DCA_se1_ag3_m_011662.4085And usually on Fridays we would play1664.4725
1551 1664.9677some team here or there, you know. We would travel you know.1667.8913 
1552DCA_int_011667.9346Mm-hm.1668.2772
1554 1671.3975What about today? Do you think kids do pretty much the same thing1674.3984 
1556 1675.5307as you did, or is it different?1676.8896 
1557DCA_se1_ag3_m_011677.7090Oh, it's entirely different.1679.1093
1559 1680.5040Some of them1681.7650 
1561 1682.1768might participate in sports, but1684.1791 
1563 1685.8581you got,1686.2956 
1565 1686.4706in, in the District of Columbia, kids uh,1689.2758 
1567 1690.1508they just not like they used to be.1691.6497 
1569 1693.3740They1693.7961 
1571 1693.9299seek out the happenings1695.5153 
1573 1696.2307what you might say. I mean happenings range from anything you know1699.3921 
1574DCA_int_011699.5568Mm-hm.1699.9480
1576 1702.7954Hm, that's interesting to get your opinion.1704.5764 
1578 1705.5955Did you ever have a teacher that hollered a lot?1707.2992 
1580 1708.1177/?/ come on you were coming up through school?1710.0901 
1581DCA_se1_ag3_m_011711.7011Oh yes.1712.4526
1582DCA_int_011713.4357What did they holler about?1714.3983
1583DCA_se1_ag3_m_011716.4479Well we had w-1717.3538
1585 1717.4722uh1717.9766 
1587 1719.2178a mathematics teacher1720.7149 
1589 1722.2058If sh-1722.4531 
1591 1722.5544if you1723.2432 
1593 1723.4182didn't1723.9381 
1595 1724.9675comprehend on what she was trying to explain to you after she sit up there and tried to explain it to you,1730.1775 
1597 1731.0062Well she went off her rocker.1732.7151 
1598DCA_int_011734.3364Did she ever yell at you for anything?1735.8034
1599DCA_se1_ag3_m_011736.1479Oh, many times.1737.6729
1600DCA_int_011737.6008<laugh>1738.2339
1601 1739.3097You think it was fair or was she1740.9413
1603 1741.0700just grouchy?1741.8781 
1604DCA_se1_ag3_m_011742.5328No.1743.1608
1606 1743.3667I think it was fair at1745.0189 
1608 1745.1734as I look at it in this day in time, I1747.5977 
1610 1748.9164being of age now, I st- see she wanted to get this thing to me, and1753.0033 
1612 1754.2077basically, she wanted to get it to me, she figured that was her main strike. You [know], was to do this.1759.6596 
1613DCA_int_011758.4059[Mm-hm.]1758.7972
1614 1759.8034Mm-hm.1760.1236
1616 1761.7916But at the time you didn't feel like that?1763.8505 
1617DCA_se1_ag3_m_011763.8505No, I thought she was a crabby old woman.1766.2154
1618DCA_int_011768.1854How about the best teacher you ever had?1769.9767
1620 1770.6715Did you ever1771.1245 
1622 1772.4164have [one that] was [/?/]1773.7187 
1623DCA_se1_ag3_m_011772.6532[Well]1773.0959
1625 1773.2760[that was] my music teacher.1775.1558 
1626DCA_int_011775.9793What was so good about her?1777.2044
1627DCA_se1_ag3_m_011778.0176It was a m- he.1779.1294
1628DCA_int_011779.2735It was a he?1779.7780
1629DCA_se1_ag3_m_011780.0971Yes.1780.5603
1630DCA_int_011781.8070What did he do that was1782.9342
1632 1783.6188outstanding?1784.3137 
1633DCA_se1_ag3_m_011784.8387Well1785.3801
1635 1787.7170you may look at it like this.1789.6420 
1637 1789.9560You seen these things1791.2325 
1639 1791.3715they call uh teacher's pet?1793.0701 
1640DCA_int_011793.4149Mm-hm.1793.7907
1641DCA_se1_ag3_m_011794.3579Well1794.7336
1643 1795.0116I wasn't his teacher's pet,1796.8852 
1645 1797.0550but uh1797.6624 
1647 1798.6455it seems like he wanted me to learn1800.8753 
1648DCA_int_011801.2468Mm-hm.1801.5873
1649DCA_se1_ag3_m_011802.1569what he was trying to1803.4026
1651 1803.9482do.1804.4320 
1652DCA_int_011804.5906Mm-hm.1804.9514
1653DCA_se1_ag3_m_011805.0908And he,1806.0379
1655 1807.1662not like1807.6912 
1657 1807.9589the uh mathematics teacher,1809.9354 
1659 1810.1387he took another routine. He1812.2825 
1661 1812.9115used kindness more or less,1814.5895 
1663 1815.6138and that lured me1816.6535 
1664DCA_int_011816.8697Mm-hm.1817.2763
1665DCA_se1_ag3_m_011817.5131in his belief,1818.3984
1667 1818.9553and I learned.1819.7892 
1668DCA_int_011820.3810Hm.1820.6402
1670 1822.3628Was there ever a teacher you just couldn't stand?1824.3753 
1671DCA_se1_ag3_m_011825.9977No,1826.5485
1673 1826.8727never.1827.4441 
1674DCA_int_011829.8684Were you ever in a class where the kids played a trick on the teacher?1832.6726
1675DCA_se1_ag3_m_011834.8674No, and m-1835.8093
1677 1835.9586and in my time, you better not.1837.5439 
1678DCA_int_011837.6675<laugh>1838.2903
1680 1839.5781Teachers were tough then.1840.7414 
1681DCA_se1_ag3_m_011841.0090Oh they1841.4877
1683 1841.6679had to,1842.1054 
1685 1842.5120they had to um,1843.4385 
1687 1844.9425they could beat you then.1846.1315 
1688DCA_int_011846.3940Oh really?1846.8830
1689DCA_se1_ag3_m_011847.5058Sure,1847.9999
1691 1848.0874I mean1848.5610 
1693 1849.1220they could actually1849.8272 
1695 1850.0073whip you,1850.4294 
1697 1850.6929and you go home and tell you mother and she'd give you another one.1853.3798 
1698DCA_int_011853.4879<laugh>1854.2136
1699DCA_se1_ag3_m_011854.8776My parents, I know.1855.9843
1700DCA_int_011856.2159Mm-hm.1856.6585
1702 1857.4265Did she use a strap or something?1858.9707 
1703DCA_se1_ag3_m_011859.8045Yes.1860.6384
1704DCA_int_011860.4231That'll work.1861.3378
1705DCA_se1_ag3_m_011861.6163A strap.1862.1105
1706DCA_int_011862.5625Mm.1862.9233
1708 1864.5358So the kids never put tacks on their seats or anything like that?1867.5624 
1709DCA_se1_ag3_m_011868.1131No.1868.5712
1710DCA_int_011869.0448Mm-hm.1869.5698
1712 1871.5731Kay, when you were a-1872.4996 
1714 1873.1172a child, was there a group of kids that you1875.3202 
1716 1875.8092hung out with?1876.4475 
1718 1876.7151Were1877.0239 
1720 1877.4676always together with?1878.4302 
1721DCA_se1_ag3_m_011881.5185There were about four.1883.1296
1722DCA_int_011883.7894Can you still call their first names?1885.2821
1723DCA_se1_ag3_m_011885.8277Yes.1886.5226
1724DCA_int_011888.5102What were they?1888.9881
1725DCA_se1_ag3_m_011890.3686Bennett,1890.8473
1727 1891.6039Freddy,1892.1392 
1729 1892.7363Ernest,1893.3797 
1731 1894.6047Harold,1895.1555 
1733 1895.8092and Jimmy.1896.3754 
1734DCA_int_011896.6754Mm-hm.1897.1175
1736 1898.7698Uh1899.0941 
1738 1899.3669did any of them speak any foreign languages?1901.4764 
1739DCA_se1_ag3_m_011902.6199At that time, no.1903.6391
1740DCA_int_011903.7429Mm-hm.1904.2511
1742 1905.3026Were any of those white?1906.3063 
1743DCA_se1_ag3_m_011907.2586No.1907.7733
1744DCA_int_011908.8697Was there one of- one of those kids that everyone listened to and considered as a leader?1913.3899
1745DCA_se1_ag3_m_011916.8705At that time, I would say no.1918.9448
1746DCA_int_011919.6173Mm-hm.1920.0044
1747DCA_se1_ag3_m_011921.4463We all had our minds,1923.0636
1748DCA_int_011923.5458Mm-hm.1923.8745
1749DCA_se1_ag3_m_011924.1702but1924.4482
1751 1924.5665we usually,1925.2872 
1753 1925.8225if one suggested it,1926.9754 
1755 1929.0353or if the other suggested it,1930.5692 
1757 1931.3155we usually,1932.1391 
1759 1933.6678you know,1934.1259 
1761 1934.3009went along with the program.1935.7318 
1762DCA_int_011936.6233It wasn't just one1937.6631
1764 1938.1315person that always1938.9653 
1765DCA_se1_ag3_m_011939.5933[No.]1940.1234
1766DCA_int_011939.7220[had the best] suggestion?1940.7205
1767DCA_se1_ag3_m_011940.8029No.1941.1168
1768DCA_int_011942.7392What about if a new kid wanted to get into that group?1945.3231
1770 1945.5959What would he have to do?1946.5945 
1771DCA_se1_ag3_m_011948.8860Well,1949.3390
1773 1950.0493it wasn't a violent group.1951.4648 
1775 1951.6912You1952.2317 
1777 1952.3707more or less had to be accepted.1954.0950 
1778DCA_int_011954.4667Mm-hm.1954.7432
1779DCA_se1_ag3_m_011955.9078If one said, oh1956.8353
1781 1957.0608you know, he's alright1958.3630 
1783 1960.1079other ones usually1961.0962 
1785 1961.3752go along with the1961.9723 
1787 1962.1678program, but1962.9399 
1789 1965.5135we basically ah, just1967.4283 
1791 1968.5771just /as fine/, we-1969.7198 
1793 1971.2074we-1971.4956 
1795 1972.0978we would1972.5250 
1797 1973.2611just be together all the time. I don't know where, what it was.1976.2887 
1798DCA_int_011976.4593[Mm-hm.]1976.8494
1799DCA_se1_ag3_m_011976.6335[We] would go fishing together. We'd go swimming together.1979.5366
1800 1980.5927We'd play football together.1982.2862
1802 1983.1303Baseball.1983.8715 
1804 1984.4171Softball.1985.2149 
1806 1986.0488We,1986.5223 
1808 1987.0535if we went to a playground1988.4844 
1810 1989.7301and they had a team,1990.7698 
1812 1991.4029or if we went to basketball court, and they had a team,1994.0650 
1814 1995.9952and they had uh1996.9320 
1816 1997.6166say twenty four or thirty others,1999.3306 
1818 1999.8618we would get our group2000.9736 
1820 2001.6170you know.2002.0236 
1822 2002.2192And wait til2003.0942 
1824 2003.3979this team lost and we would play them.2005.2149 
1826 2005.8410And we wouldn't split up among us. We just like that so,2008.5050 
1828 2009.1329what they call this day togetherness, you know.2011.1867 
1829DCA_int_012011.1712Mm-hm.2011.5161
1830DCA_se1_ag3_m_012012.2573That's what we were.2013.0963
1831DCA_int_012013.4424Mm-hm.2013.9308
1833 2015.5299So it would be pretty hard for another kid to-2017.4795 
1834DCA_se1_ag3_m_012019.0690No, not actually.2020.2755
1836 2020.4000Um,2020.8261 
1838 2021.1900we also-2022.1523 
1840 2023.8912one sport that we really cherished was fishing.2026.4287 
1842 2027.8516Float fishing, spinning,2029.3693 
1844 2029.5561any kind.2030.3077 
1846 2030.3987Uh2030.7530 
1848 2031.8398go spinning2032.5915 
1850 2032.7064is, wasn't-2033.6113 
1852 2033.7501it wasn't like it is now.2035.1635 
1854 2035.5752Mo- more so less than bait casting.2037.9452 
1856 2038.7160Uh2039.1756 
1858 2039.4485everybody2040.2193 
1860 2040.3400used to go there, and you go to the uh2042.8727 
1862 2043.1504to the lake you might see in 'em2044.5724 
1864 2044.9793kids there that went to school to- with you,2047.0773 
1865DCA_int_012046.9537Mm-hm.2047.2210
1866DCA_se1_ag3_m_012047.5944whatever di- they didn't have to be with you, but if they came up and spoke, you know we spoke2051.7086
1868 2052.0470but2052.2825 
1870 2052.4453the five of us would go there alone, you know.2054.4274 
1871DCA_int_012054.6632Mm-hm.2055.0165
1872DCA_se1_ag3_m_012055.4281If somebody else say, you going fishing? We say yeah, if they want to go, they gotta bite.2059.4181
1874 2060.5930Let's go,2061.2010 
1876 2061.2824[you know.]2061.6941 
1877DCA_int_012061.3447[Mm-hm.]2061.7103