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1DCA_int_010.4621Okay, /RD-NAME-3/, uh do you remember what kind of games you used to play as a kid, say about ten or so?5.8931
2DCA_se2_ag2_m_037.5830When I was ten? Let's see [<laugh>.]11.6387
3DCA_int_019.7187[Can you remember those days?]11.2252
4DCA_se2_ag2_m_0312.6475Uh, there was a number of games <laugh> I used to play. Well, I-15.4576
6 16.0991played16.4107 
8 16.8286you know, sports and I was in- athletic in class,19.4225 
10 20.1043played baseball.21.4092 
12 23.3800And uh23.8382 
14 25.0185made these little25.8945 
16 26.5434skate trucks <laugh>.27.4987 
17DCA_int_0127.4804Oh yeah?27.9826
18DCA_se2_ag2_m_0327.9936Nail it, you know take a skate and nail it on a two by four and30.7794
20 30.9554the31.2596 
22 31.5455box and32.1600 
24 32.6072ride around the neighborhood,33.7399 
26 34.5133playing Cowboys.35.8733 
28 36.4291I was still playing that at that age.37.9613 
29DCA_int_0138.0158Mm-hm.38.4085
30DCA_se2_ag2_m_0338.5845<laugh>39.2259
31DCA_int_0139.4935Yeah, that sounds like a [fun] game for a ten year old.41.8711
32DCA_se2_ag2_m_0340.4759[What?]40.7068
33DCA_int_0143.1504Did you have any special rules for playing Cowboys, or was it-?46.1219
35 47.2912[How did you go] about it?48.3176 
36DCA_se2_ag2_m_0347.2985[No, it just-]47.8557
37 48.8051just a bunch of guys get together and- and choose sides and51.9576
39 52.9019then h-53.5470 
41 54.0382the-54.4341 
43 55.1439some be the good guys and the bad guys, you kn-57.1233 
44DCA_int_0157.1636Mm-hm.57.5338
45DCA_se2_ag2_m_0357.5228they get away, and we go after 'em.59.0697
46DCA_int_0159.1050Mm-hm.59.5302
48 60.3293[Did you ever play-]60.9232 
49DCA_se2_ag2_m_0360.4717[Uh]-60.8906
50 61.3924never came to a conclusion though. [<laugh>]64.4518
51DCA_int_0163.1298[<laugh>]64.4481
52 67.0360Did you ever play any other games where some kids would chase the others?69.9598
53DCA_se2_ag2_m_0371.8058Oh, we would play72.6734
55 73.9906uh- like74.5075 
57 75.4899tag or something,76.3293 
59 76.7788except somewhat on the vicious side, cause it wasn't tagging, it was hitting. [<laugh>]81.2362 
60DCA_int_0179.7992[<laugh>]81.2252
61 82.0816Oh yeah?82.6900
63 83.0273[How did you play] tag?84.1490 
64DCA_se2_ag2_m_0383.1189[And-]83.6211
65 84.7538well85.0507
67 87.6409mm, we'd get a- a bunch of us would get together, and then90.0602 
69 90.3521somebody be-91.2428 
71 91.6791would be it.92.2692 
73 93.5192Everybody'd run, if-94.8008 
75 94.9694the one who got caught95.8675 
77 96.0434would get hit,96.6666 
79 97.1028maybe97.4767 
81 97.8432three or four times on the shoulder somewhere.99.8250 
83 101.4855And101.9254 
85 102.4202if you could hit pretty hard [<laugh>] you would never be it. [<laugh>]107.1695 
86DCA_int_01103.8558[<laugh>]104.5559
88 105.7765[<laugh>]107.0632 
89 108.2055No kidding.109.1585
91 109.5544How [did you]110.2545 
92DCA_se2_ag2_m_03109.7634[And]110.1629
93DCA_int_01111.0866um111.5412
95 112.4356pick the first person to be it?113.7685 
97 115.7406For [/starters/.]116.8806 
98DCA_se2_ag2_m_03116.3601[Oh.]116.7303
99 117.2691Sometime we'd117.9459
101 118.5837flip a coin or something or120.1050 
103 121.6335or just- e- everybody would come out and say well,123.7582 
105 123.9672not it, not it, you know, or something [like that.]125.9209 
106DCA_int_01125.4334[Oh,] uh-huh.126.1922
107DCA_se2_ag2_m_03127.4408Or then, yeah, the few128.5515
109 128.7677who wanted to be it [<laugh>]-130.9891 
110DCA_int_01130.0397[Oh yeah?]130.5199
111 131.3396So they could slug the others?132.6079
112DCA_se2_ag2_m_03132.6739Yes.133.1394
113DCA_int_01136.1109Did you ever use any rhymes or anything for that?138.5118
115 138.8161Do you remember?139.8754 
116DCA_se2_ag2_m_03140.2407Uh,140.5669
118 141.3697any rhymes? No, never use any rhymes.143.8073 
119DCA_int_01145.8330Didn't you ever use one potato, two potato?148.2010
120DCA_se2_ag2_m_03148.6958Well, not when I was ten years old. <laugh>150.8535
121DCA_int_01150.8792Oh, that [was] when you were younger?151.9459
122DCA_se2_ag2_m_03151.1761[Y-]151.3447
123 151.9972Yes, when I was152.8623
125 153.0712you know.153.4268 
126DCA_int_01153.9093[What were some used] when you were younger?155.6834
127DCA_se2_ag2_m_03153.9826[real young.]154.5581
128 158.6365Let's see if I can remember any of 'em.160.4400
130 167.3800/Well I-/168.0288 
132 168.4503actually,169.4987 
134 170.0742those were girl's games using the <laugh>171.7375 
135DCA_int_01171.1505<laugh>171.9056
136DCA_se2_ag2_m_03172.1219[using]-172.5104
137DCA_int_01172.1219[Yeah?]172.4921
138DCA_se2_ag2_m_03172.7084using the rhymes and [stuff.]174.4459
139DCA_int_01174.1270[Oh.]174.3359
140 176.2590What did they use the rhymes for? Do you recall? The girls?179.1145
141DCA_se2_ag2_m_03179.1731Oh they'd use 'em180.4951
143 181.0889jumping rope181.7560 
145 182.1006mostly.182.6614 
146DCA_int_01184.3366Boys would never learn185.6145
148 185.8015those rhymes that they used for jumping rope or?187.9569 
149DCA_se2_ag2_m_03188.3564Well, uh, I mean,189.4817
151 189.6307you be playing around the girls. I-191.3242 
153 191.5368I mean I could learn 'em,192.6108 
155 193.4209but uh193.8681 
157 194.1087you know every- everyone didn't195.3733 
159 195.8645try to learn 'em.196.6599 
160DCA_int_01196.8469Mm. Mm-hm.197.8733
161DCA_se2_ag2_m_03197.8916But I'd hear 'em playing, and you know, I could199.5837
162DCA_int_01199.9027Mm-hm.200.4708
163DCA_se2_ag2_m_03200.9437knew what it was all about, but202.3733
165 202.8974I never played it.203.6879 
166DCA_int_01205.6343Did you ever uh, play any other games with chasing?208.3931
167DCA_se2_ag2_m_03214.7992Well215.7486
169 216.6160it- it- we217.1622 
171 217.3528played other games with chasing, yeah. We'd chasing girls. [<laugh>]221.7062 
172DCA_int_01220.0910[<laugh>]221.7135
173 221.9701<laugh>222.7655
175 224.5397Was that a regular game or was that just226.8403 
176DCA_se2_ag2_m_03227.5148/You know/.228.0133
177DCA_int_01227.8557[for] fun? <laugh>228.8711
178DCA_se2_ag2_m_03230.2773Well it was just- well just231.8279
180 232.1101playing232.6416 
182 233.2244for fun and233.8806 
184 234.0162anything you want to add to it. <laugh>236.5258 
185DCA_int_01235.3931<laugh>236.4268
186 237.6805That's great.238.3329
188 239.2077Well how about baseball. Did you ever play241.2897 
190 242.4884in any organized teams or anything?244.6644 
191DCA_se2_ag2_m_03245.3938Well, no, not-246.5485
193 246.8014not when I was ten. Uh248.2375 
195 248.5302I never was very good at baseball,250.2897 
197 251.7230but <sigh>252.4781 
199 252.8983I didn't-253.4848 
201 253.7304I-254.0603 
203 254.2839matter fact, I didn't even- p- s- p- start- you know, and playing sports real regular til I was about258.8205 
205 259.6306fourteen, fifteen years old.261.0895 
207 262.1329And I started playing football. I was264.2992 
209 264.4752real good at that265.2266 
211 265.3989and basketball.266.3030 
213 267.0544Baseball is267.8975 
215 268.1394just wasn't [becoming.]269.4554 
216DCA_int_01269.0008[Wasn't your] sport.270.0419
217DCA_se2_ag2_m_03270.4657No.270.9093
218DCA_int_01271.2978Well how about uh272.0786
220 272.7751football and basketball. Did you play in school or-?275.0647 
221DCA_se2_ag2_m_03276.0178Well, we had a,276.7765
223 276.8902always had a sandlot team278.2868 
225 278.5800around where I lived.279.5477 
227 280.2612I played in school, t- too. I played in high school.283.2706 
228DCA_int_01284.5376How did the sandlot team work? Did you have any special rules?288.0455
229DCA_se2_ag2_m_03288.8030Well yes, we had a organized290.0529
231 290.2069uh league.290.8300 
232DCA_int_01291.1819[Oh?]291.5375
233DCA_se2_ag2_m_03291.2039[Uh]-291.5192
234 291.6951yes, it-292.4796
235DCA_int_01293.3873Did you have referees or any-294.7472
236DCA_se2_ag2_m_03294.6666yes we had [ref-]295.5316
237DCA_int_01295.1651[officials?]295.7589
238DCA_se2_ag2_m_03295.7186we had officials,296.6240
239 297.1555coaches297.7375
241 298.6131from the299.0566 
243 299.5368Boy's Club. See,300.4752 
245 300.6401where I lived,301.4209 
247 301.6518in that particular section, we didn't have a Boy's Club out there.304.2604 
249 304.5097We formed our own team, and we306.0015 
251 306.2288was playing out of307.2135 
253 307.3711you know, number thirteen because308.9253 
255 309.6658n-310.0873 
257 310.3219I think they had311.0514 
259 311.9188two teams up there.312.9085 
261 313.0735They had their, their regular team, then they- we would315.2215 
263 315.3644plan315.8653 
265 316.0889for them too, you know.317.0456 
266DCA_int_01317.0456Uh-huh.317.4488
267DCA_se2_ag2_m_03318.0793And they /furnished/ us our uniforms and stuff320.0574
268DCA_int_01320.2553Oh, yeah [uniforms.]321.3990
269DCA_se2_ag2_m_03321.2377[Yeah] because see,322.0185
270 322.3117this was too far to go. I mean uh- e- even to practice, all the way up325.3455
272 325.4738northwest.326.1189 
274 326.4452[See I]-326.9693 
275DCA_int_01326.4818[Whoa.]326.9877
276DCA_se2_ag2_m_03327.2552see I lived in the northeast section,328.8571
278 329.0647far northeast. /Deanwood/.330.4980 
279DCA_int_01332.2169Hm.332.7216
281 333.5899uh334.1598 
282DCA_se2_ag2_m_03335.1150And I335.4406
284 335.6740played basketball with Recreation Center.337.9534 
286 339.5524They had a organized you know, recreation team w- at the342.2008 
288 342.4993school.343.0421 
289DCA_int_01344.9179Do you remember any time when you were in an exciting347.2895
291 347.6966uh football game or basketball er- yeah, basketball game that was351.6584 
293 352.2534where it was close or something, that you particularly remember, that you could tell about?356.1230 
294DCA_se2_ag2_m_03360.5495Well361.0326
296 362.7313I remember one particular football game.364.5548 
298 364.7122The score wasn't hardly close though. <laugh>367.5595 
299DCA_int_01366.4577<laugh>367.5323
300DCA_se2_ag2_m_03368.4441[We was-]368.8511
301DCA_int_01368.4495[How did that] go?369.0031
302DCA_se2_ag2_m_03369.2147we were playing a team in Virginia.370.6963
304 371.6678They beat us something like372.6319 
306 373.6956forty nine to six. <laugh>376.1595 
307DCA_int_01375.8447Gee whiz.376.6642
308DCA_se2_ag2_m_03377.7225Eh,378.0699
309DCA_int_01378.1764[Aw.]378.6215
310DCA_se2_ag2_m_03378.3575[but]378.6452
311 379.0339/ah-/ the score being, you know,380.4938
313 380.9551we played a381.8398 
315 382.0406pretty tight382.5779 
317 383.0066um383.4951 
319 384.0812The league was, you know, usually,385.4000 
321 385.8050well balanced and386.7656 
323 387.2378all of the games were pretty tough.388.4209 
324DCA_int_01390.4615What position did you play?391.7586
325DCA_se2_ag2_m_03392.0280I played tackle.393.0972
326DCA_int_01395.7456How about basketball?396.8473
328 396.9776/Where/ were you?398.0304 
329DCA_se2_ag2_m_03398.3886I played center when I was playing basketball.400.2916
330DCA_int_01401.5398You look like you're tall enough to be a good center. <laugh>405.0272
331DCA_se2_ag2_m_03405.1055Well I wasn't the tallest one. I could-406.6014
333 406.9270I had pretty good jumping ability. I could jump pretty good.409.6515 
334DCA_int_01411.0082That's one thing I never was, was an athlete, so I always admire somebody that can414.7781
336 415.8527be good at sports.417.3560 
338 417.7251Uh418.1158 
340 421.2128what421.5818 
342 421.8803uh, do you watch television?423.6441 
343DCA_se2_ag2_m_03425.1346[I watch it now.]426.1658
344DCA_int_01425.6611[Watch it now.]426.3937
345DCA_se2_ag2_m_03426.4968Yes.426.8984
346DCA_int_01427.9079What's one of your favorite shows? Or what are a couple of your favorite shows?431.3324
347DCA_se2_ag2_m_03434.4402Well I go for mostly435.8187
349 436.1226the ad-436.5622 
351 436.7413adventure437.4740 
353 437.6260you know, action stories.439.0533 
355 439.4095I don't like those love- love things. <laugh>442.3022 
356DCA_int_01441.4990That's too much.442.9534
357DCA_se2_ag2_m_03442.5573<laugh>443.2574
358 443.5667And I like the comedy shows.445.3305
359DCA_int_01445.5022Mm-hm.446.0178
360DCA_se2_ag2_m_03446.1535I like this447.0652
362 447.4180Get Smart448.1073 
363DCA_int_01448.5686Mm-hm.449.1547
364DCA_se2_ag2_m_03449.3501and /that/ uh450.6200
366 452.3602Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In, I watch that.454.7318 
368 457.5268And I watch, you know, mostly m- majority of the movies, you- you know. If they have462.0348 
370 462.5938the adventure stories on there.464.2762 
372 465.0558And a few other things I like, /that is/ uh467.1941 
374 469.2944anything dealing with470.3255 
376 470.8845with animals you know, like that Zoo Parade? Uh, it's not Zoo Parade anymore. What is it?474.9258 
378 475.2785Animal- Wild Kingdom.476.4834 
379DCA_int_01476.5919Mm-hm.476.9990
380DCA_se2_ag2_m_03477.3083I watch that and478.1387
381DCA_int_01478.3340Mm-hm.478.6868
382DCA_se2_ag2_m_03479.1027when /that/ Walt Disney have a- have his481.5666
384 481.8977things on there, I watch some of them.483.2056 
385DCA_int_01483.3196Mm-hm.483.7429
386DCA_se2_ag2_m_03483.7484You know, with wildlife484.9261
387DCA_int_01485.0780[Mm-hm.]485.5393
388DCA_se2_ag2_m_03485.0943[/and things./]485.5339
389 488.0447[And then]-488.4409
390DCA_int_01488.0555[So you] pretty much like /unintelligible/ shows.490.2155
391DCA_se2_ag2_m_03489.8139<laugh> and that American Sportsman I watch that, you know.492.7643
392DCA_int_01492.8289Okay493.2028
393DCA_se2_ag2_m_03494.3816And,494.8701
395 496.1563and most- all sports- sp- sports events I watch on TV.499.4215 
396DCA_int_01501.4838Can you remember um,502.5475
398 503.1499a time of Get Smart /where the/504.9300 
400 505.4111particularly impressed you that you could tell the story of?507.9835 
401DCA_se2_ag2_m_03508.5914<laugh>510.2087
402DCA_int_01511.4352When he did something stupid or something <laugh>?513.9080
403DCA_se2_ag2_m_03515.5959Well yes, there's one in particular when he-517.9458
405 518.2497he was-518.7111 
407 519.3712this /Catchman/ KAOS had him trapped on the island and522.5406 
409 524.0114/and may/- he had a gun on him and,525.8512 
411 526.2346and he was telling him, say,527.4828 
413 527.9278you better put that gun away cause we got the whole-530.0933 
415 530.4840we got530.7717 
417 531.0050admiral - I forgot the admiral's name, what he called, but in the whole seventh fleet!534.3462 
419 534.7098[Surrounded!]535.5673 
420DCA_int_01534.7207[<laugh>]535.5022
421DCA_se2_ag2_m_03536.2837He /goes/, oh, likely story. [<laugh>]538.7402
422DCA_int_01537.9173[<laugh>]538.8236
423DCA_se2_ag2_m_03538.9844would you believe the sixth fleet? <laugh>542.4687
424DCA_int_01540.5095<laugh>542.0182
426 542.4198Oh, that's pretty [funny.]543.7495 
427DCA_se2_ag2_m_03543.3641[<laugh>]543.7169
428 543.9014what about the fifth?544.7426
429DCA_int_01544.7372<laugh>545.8823
430DCA_se2_ag2_m_03546.3254Then546.7270
432 547.0146it came all the way down to, what about Tarzan and four of his apes? <laugh>551.1556 
433DCA_int_01549.8205<laugh>551.1176
434DCA_se2_ag2_m_03551.4866I mean- [<laugh>.]552.8143
435DCA_int_01552.5757[Oh] that's pretty good.553.6175
436 554.2525Mm- how did it come out though? How did the whole story go? Do you remember?557.2320
437DCA_se2_ag2_m_03557.8832Well, I forget now, just559.0881
439 559.5962uh-559.8839 
441 560.1715it's been so many of 'em. I mean I can't even get 'em, you know,562.2338 
443 562.8851get 'em organized, but563.9922 
445 564.2473I think that was pretty funny.565.7867 
446DCA_int_01565.7812Yeah, that is funny. /inaudible/567.9847
447 568.9670Do you remember any of the other shows- adventure shows that you watched? Or one of the movies that you could tell a story of?574.5984
449 575.3690That you remember?576.4599 
450DCA_se2_ag2_m_03581.5866Uh, it's hard to think back, you know. There's583.7574
452 583.9203nothing been recently and-585.4019 
454 586.1326recently they haven't had any good ones on.588.0429 
455DCA_int_01594.0108How about a movie? Have you seen a movie595.7258
457 596.4476recently that you remember?598.0486 
458DCA_se2_ag2_m_03598.7576Well I've seen a couple of movies that I- like.600.8633
460 601.6286Especially those new ones with- with uh603.7017 
462 606.9506that Clint Eastwood's been making,608.6168 
463DCA_int_01608.7741Mm-hm.609.2517
464DCA_se2_ag2_m_03609.2572you know, there's like The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly611.0210
466 611.6268and The Fist Full of Dollars.612.9565 
468 614.9320And-615.4638 
469DCA_int_01615.7569What's The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly about? I haven't seen that one.618.8158
470DCA_se2_ag2_m_03619.6679Well, did you see A Fist Full of Dollars?621.2364
471DCA_int_01621.2255Mm-mm.621.6000
472DCA_se2_ag2_m_03622.4520Y- mean you haven't seen any of those? You [gotta see] them. <laugh>625.0625
473DCA_int_01624.1182[No.]624.4927
475 625.0299No.625.3122 
476DCA_se2_ag2_m_03625.3373Yeah.625.5815
477DCA_int_01625.6467Really?625.9831
478DCA_se2_ag2_m_03626.1134Yes, they're real good.627.2205
479DCA_int_01627.3779What are they about?628.2246
480DCA_se2_ag2_m_03628.5231Well,628.9572
482 629.9341Clint Eastwood, he plays a,631.3669 
484 633.2101a bounty hunter634.0622 
485DCA_int_01634.6049Oh.635.1639
486DCA_se2_ag2_m_03635.7121and636.3090
488 637.4270he's real fast, and then638.8361 
490 639.1617he639.5199 
492 639.7913hunting the- hunting outlaws for their uh642.1413 
494 643.6609you know, for the bounty.644.6269 
495DCA_int_01644.7340Mm-hm.645.1030
496DCA_se2_ag2_m_03646.2205And646.7361
498 648.1688uh, this picture is-650.1172 
500 653.5452they have Eli Wallach in there.655.2005 
502 655.4935He-655.8789 
504 656.3293<laugh> he's- he's just about the same thing, but he's-658.8258 
506 659.2309he's b- he's the Bad in the-660.6908 
508 661.2443because he-661.9770 
510 662.1507/cause/ he's a killer, a thief,663.4369 
512 663.6757and everything. <laugh>664.6634 
514 664.9674I mean, he would do anything for mo-666.6261 
516 666.8052for money,667.3588 
518 667.8255but Clint Eastwood, he usually stick to just669.9638 
520 670.5554you know670.9732 
522 671.7005for outlaws but-672.5350 
524 673.7717but Eli Wallach, he would675.1068 
526 675.9643he'd kill you for, you know, robbing, everything.678.1470 
527DCA_int_01678.1820Mm-hm.678.6379
528DCA_se2_ag2_m_03679.0612And there were-679.6202
530 682.5400well, Clint E- uh, when the picture first comes on, you- I mean, I don't know if you want me to elaborate on it- I [can if you want. <laugh>]689.6042 
531DCA_int_01687.1945[Yeah, as much as you can, yeah. As much as you're able to.]689.9238
532DCA_se2_ag2_m_03689.9406Well the story opens where691.5199
534 691.9359these men are after Eli Wallach. These- the- this- about three or four bounty hunters are after him, for the reward.697.8026 
536 699.0706And they-699.9118 
538 700.6065they cap- they sh- shoot his horse from under him702.7393 
540 702.9944you know, they had their guns on 'em, they g- getting ready to kill him.705.2501 
542 705.7549Then Clint Eastwood comes up, and707.3016 
544 707.8280he708.0126 
546 708.1971kills them.708.9352 
548 709.0200<laugh>710.1220 
550 710.2160And he-710.7424 
552 711.0029and Eli Wallach thinks that712.6834 
554 712.8787he's gonna let him go, but he-714.2084 
556 714.3766he ties him up and takes him in, turn him in for the reward.717.0142 
558 717.1004<laugh> So718.8629 
559DCA_int_01717.1004<laugh>717.6342
560DCA_se2_ag2_m_03719.0149just before they get ready to hang him720.4422
562 720.6919you know, they- they /are/ gonna hang him. They've-722.4123 
564 722.8573they've tried and convicted him, you know, that they're gonna hang him.725.3247 
566 726.1822And Clint East- Clint Eastwood shoots him down-728.3313 
568 728.6352shoots the rope729.2774 
570 730.4588and, you know, rides past him, and picks him up.732.9261 
571DCA_int_01733.4363Hm.733.7728
572DCA_se2_ag2_m_03733.7185And run- g- ,gets him out of town735.4715
573 736.1607<laugh> and you know, split the reward with him.738.2122
575 739.1328Then739.5182 
577 739.6701take it- take him to another town and turn him [again. <laugh>]744.0167 
578DCA_int_01741.7879[<laugh>]742.9861
580 743.6477Yeah that's [great.]744.5980 
581DCA_se2_ag2_m_03744.1258[And they] had a thing going there for awhile, but745.9908
582 746.5498you know, the-747.1739
584 747.9608the reward for- for Eli Wallach never-750.0449 
586 751.0435it- it never- never went over752.3514 
588 752.5394say about753.1201 
590 753.7713two or three thousand dollars,755.2095 
592 755.6166and so he-756.4307 
594 756.8377he got tired of it. And he-758.2162 
596 758.8546he just, you know, s- he stopped,760.4068 
598 761.6496Clint Eastwood, you know, just let him go about it. He took all the money the last time. <laugh>765.6420 
599DCA_int_01765.0793<laugh>765.6228
600DCA_se2_ag2_m_03765.8265<laugh> And let him- put him out on a desert,767.5632
602 768.5727and made him walk769.3759 
604 769.7721um some fifty some odd miles across the desert. No horse or anything. <laugh>773.5474 
605DCA_int_01772.9233<laugh>773.5474
606 774.2963Mm.774.7685
607DCA_se2_ag2_m_03775.1158So775.4532
609 776.7845uh777.0533 
611 778.5078so then he- he wants revenge on Clint Eastwood. He-781.1217 
613 781.8978he goes- goes into town and steals a-784.2044 
615 784.7308<laugh> steals a gun, or takes a gun from a guy,787.0462 
617 787.4370and then robs him on the bo- /unintelligible/. <laugh>789.7435 
619 790.1451And790.5847 
621 791.1111he goes looking for Clint Eastwood and finally he catches up with him. And he794.6965 
623 795.0547and- Clint Eastwood- and- he in the act of797.3233 
625 797.7574shooting somebody else down where he'd- who he'd turn in for a reward, so801.3265 
627 803.4974the um804.1486 
629 805.1615so Eli Wallach g- gets him.807.1859 
631 810.6810Was it-811.2020 
633 811.4733well, no.812.2168 
635 815.0967No, it's b- b- before that.816.5457 
637 816.7900He found him. He ha- uh Clint-818.3313 
639 818.5049Eli Wallach hired- hired three- thee other guys to go with him to- and 822.1934 
641 822.3345Clint Eastwood was in this hotel room,824.0875 
643 824.6085and they went up there after him, and825.7741 
645 826.2944he sent the three guys to the door. He goes through the window,828.7854 
647 828.9971and the guys who break through the door,830.3864 
649 831.2168Clint Eastwood shoots them down.832.6313 
651 833.2446But833.5214 
653 834.4060and834.7365 
655 835.0058Eli Wallach is behind him though, and he gets him and-837.2281 
657 837.8794and- and makes him tie a rope across the beam in the ceiling,841.0686 
658DCA_int_01841.3453Mm-hm.841.8826
659DCA_se2_ag2_m_03842.6370and make him get up on a chair.843.9395
661 845.6308And he846.0867 
663 846.3309put the rope around his neck- made him put the rope around his neck. And he's gonna kick the chair from under him,850.3090 
665 850.6292by that time, you know,851.5247 
667 851.6530with-851.8104 
669 852.0763this was during the Civil War,853.3408 
671 854.0409and- and they raided the855.3597 
673 855.5605uh, I think the Confederates raided the town,857.5632 
675 858.1330and blew up the hotel!859.2327 
677 859.5312<laugh>860.0360 
679 860.2205And it happened to break the beam- I know- I don't know how he got a- he got a- he got away though, /man/.864.1552 
681 864.5025By the time865.1429 
683 865.4286Eli Wallach866.1395 
685 866.3241had you know, re-regained conscious,867.7351 
687 868.7283he- uh, Clint Eastwood is gone,870.3781 
689 871.2139so he still tr- he was still trailing him, and he finally caught up with him again, you know, when he had875.2009 
691 876.0638he had turned another guy in for the reward.877.7408 
693 878.7014And878.9565 
695 879.2584he wouldn't let him shoot the rope, he let this guy hang. [<laugh>]883.2583 
696DCA_int_01881.5216[<laugh>]883.0140
697DCA_se2_ag2_m_03883.7141And884.0886
699 884.4359so he took him right- took his-885.7372 
701 885.8939made him walk across the desert.887.2941 
703 888.3795He took, you know, m- and he was riding the horse with all- <laugh>891.1237 
705 891.3896he's sitting on the horse with a umbrella,892.8169 
706DCA_int_01892.8314<laugh>893.2104
707DCA_se2_ag2_m_03893.2674canteens full of water, making him walk across the desert.895.7259
709 897.3323And, but and so he was I guess he was out-899.5392 
711 899.7997he was just about900.4673 
713 900.7712done for.901.2922 
715 902.0411And902.4753 
717 903.2351he was gonna- gonna shoot him, and he happened to see this wagon905.9033 
719 906.1746coming906.5003 
721 907.0538r- coming across the desert908.2695 
723 908.4269the ho- you know, run away horses,909.9899 
725 911.1785and he went and stopped it.912.1825 
727 913.3148And these fellas man they,914.5468 
729 915.1275they were915.6213 
731 916.7719uh, there's was, uh918.1450 
733 919.8417they were Union Army, I think it was.921.5675 
735 922.1699But they,922.5987 
737 922.8429this one guy was923.5647 
739 923.8469almost near death.924.7404 
741 925.5708He- he had stole some money,926.9059 
743 928.6860and had buried it929.5326 
745 930.3304somewhere, and he931.3507 
747 931.9077went and932.5536 
749 932.7598Eli Wallach was trying to get him to tell where the money was,935.1423 
751 935.2943and he went to g- to his horse to get the water.937.0472 
753 938.5540By the time he got back,939.5635 
755 940.3504uh, Clint Eastwood had gone up there, and- and the guy had told him where the money was.944.4873 
757 945.3231And the guy had died! [<laugh>]947.9755 
758DCA_int_01947.3223[Oh.]947.5217
759DCA_se2_ag2_m_03948.1378So then Eli Wallach changed all together. He was trying to say he didn't want him to die, he was tryna save his life.952.8703
760DCA_int_01952.8432[<laugh>]953.5813
761DCA_se2_ag2_m_03953.1017[So <laugh>]953.7096
762 953.8561so he takes him to this- to this Mission955.6959
764 956.3092where his brother was a- his brother was a priest there.958.8871 
766 959.4406And959.8802 
768 960.2364well his b- at the time, his brother wasn't there, so he got962.5538 
770 962.7818this uh, you know the- the substitute priest to-965.2457 
772 965.8807to try to save him, you know.967.3875 
774 968.1093And he was in there- thought he was gonna die and everything. He's praying to-971.4850 
776 971.6079<laugh>972.0367 
778 972.1254praying to Mary, and he <laugh> crossing hisself and everything, hoping, hoping he wouldn't die <laugh>.976.1558 
780 976.8450So, he- he st- you know he-978.4243 
782 978.6794he, I guess he wasn't convinced because he went in there and t- and started981.7003 
784 982.0097praying to him982.6826 
786 982.8183you know, preaching to him. Telling him how good he was, and985.4505 
788 986.1235how much money he was going to send his mother. All he had to do was tell him what the- what the fella told him, and tell him where the gold was.991.8471 
790 992.8926<laugh> And calling him brother, you know, telling him he'd take care of him,996.3802 
792 996.7143you know, and everything.997.4731 
794 997.9833<laugh> And Clint Eastwood spit in his [face. <laugh>]1001.9648 
795DCA_int_011000.1956[<laugh>]1001.9811
796DCA_se2_ag2_m_031002.5075But he did- but he didn't die. They1003.9512
798 1004.0326you know,1004.3908 
800 1005.2048but1005.5576 
802 1006.6085they came back, you know.1007.8350 
804 1008.0141He- his brother came back, and his brother wanted him to leave because his brother knew he wasn't any good.1012.1930 
806 1013.2005And he told him that his-1014.4867 
808 1014.7038his parents had just died, and he didn't even go to the funeral.1017.2383 
810 1018.4431And1018.6982 
812 1018.9207<laugh> he-1019.9465 
814 1020.4004hi- his brother slapped him cause he said something that- to him, he didn't like, but1023.8520 
816 1024.5847he beat him up- he beat his brother up, and his brother's a priest, and <laugh> and he-1028.7671 
818 1028.9787he gets on the wagon1030.1184 
820 1030.7208<laugh> and tells uh1032.4250 
822 1033.2913to Clint Eastwood, yes, my brother loves me b-1035.3319 
824 1035.8964he- he- didn't want me to leave. [<laugh>]1038.2952 
825DCA_int_011037.1283[<laugh>]1038.1215
826DCA_se2_ag2_m_031038.6751And1038.9464
828 1039.3700Uh1039.6743 
830 1039.8473so they- they going down the road. You know, they looking for the gold- they was going together. They had joined up together.1044.5670 
832 1046.4699And so they see this uh1048.0764 
834 1050.2665these soldiers coming1051.2740 
836 1051.8754and then, you know, it was time of the war,1053.4981 
838 1053.8435you know. And they thought they was going to be taken prisoners as spies1057.1052 
840 1057.2897because they had-1058.0278 
842 1058.9993they had uniforms on1060.1987 
843DCA_int_011060.2582Mm-hm.1060.5896
844DCA_se2_ag2_m_031060.6363they had these uh Yankee uniforms [on.]1062.6335
845DCA_int_011062.5101[Mm.]1062.6579
846DCA_se2_ag2_m_031063.5941<laugh>1064.4282
848 1065.6021No, It was Confederate uniforms, they had on.1067.5865 
849DCA_int_011067.4814Oh.1067.7654
850DCA_se2_ag2_m_031067.9230And they saw these soldiers coming, you know, they were all dirty and everything, and the-1070.7777
852 1071.1793with the dust and everything, so they thought they were Confederate soldiers, too, so they were just waving at 'em, see1075.4919 
854 1075.8989and, and you know, calling-1077.1200 
856 1077.2828calling the Union Army all kinds of names and [<laugh> everything else, but]1080.6023 
857DCA_int_011079.6221[<laugh>]1080.4015
858DCA_se2_ag2_m_031080.9225that's what Eli Wallach was doing.1082.3770
860 1082.6755He was calling them all kinds of names,1084.1408 
862 1084.3633and by time the-1085.1828 
864 1085.5084the colonel came up,1086.3768 
866 1086.6950and started brushing his <laugh> shoulders off and saw the blue on his uniform, [<laugh>]1090.8358 
867DCA_int_011089.6797[<laugh>]1090.8358
868DCA_se2_ag2_m_031091.3081<laugh> next thing you knew, they was in a prison camp. [<laugh>]1094.2042
869DCA_int_011093.2436[<laugh>]1094.5135
870 1094.9694[Oh.]1095.3450
871DCA_se2_ag2_m_031094.9697[And so]1095.3721
872 1096.5921And1096.9069
874 1097.0589where the Ugly- where the Ugly uh,1098.5948 
876 1098.9692the Ugly comes in1099.8539 
878 1100.4217was uh1100.7854 
880 1101.5886this1101.9305 
882 1102.1259fella1102.5220 
884 1103.4555Lee Van Cleef,1104.5789 
886 1105.9412he- he was1106.6901 
888 1107.1114looking- he- he knew about the gold all the time. He- he was, you know, it1110.1995 
890 1110.5088showed flashes of him at- at all but the beginning of the movie.1113.3852 
892 1114.0182But he was out- he was looking for this fella1115.7929 
894 1116.1131you know, who knew-1116.8404 
896 1117.0412who knew where the gold was.1118.0072 
898 1118.3817But he didn't know he had died, but when they got there,1120.4210 
900 1121.3049I don't know, he learned somehow that-1122.6454 
902 1123.2207that uh1123.8503 
904 1124.4364Eli Wallach and Clint Eastwood1125.9723 
906 1126.4607knew- knew where it was.1127.5659 
908 1128.4342So he got his-1129.2266 
910 1129.4220his lieutenant to-1130.6214 
912 1131.6091to work-1131.9890 
914 1132.5046work Eli Wallach over.1133.7462 
916 1135.2162You know- and-1136.0303 
918 1136.7738and make him tell where it was. So he told his part, he knew it was in a1139.5471 
920 1140.2181cemetery or something.1141.1624 
922 1145.1079Yeah, /but and/1146.0251 
924 1146.2746But Clint Eastwood would- wouldn't tell.1147.9172 
926 1148.3731<laugh> Well, I left out a part, too, but-1150.4463 
928 1150.9781because they w-1151.6945 
930 1152.0201they- they were going to- they were going after it,1154.1348 
932 1154.8566and they came upon this- this battle, at this little bridge.1157.7221 
934 1158.5036It was, you know the1159.4371 
936 1159.5945Confederate soldiers on one side, and the Union Army on the other.1162.1758 
938 1165.0848So1165.4050 
940 1165.6492they couldn't get- the- only way they could get to the cemetery was across the bridge.1169.9130 
942 1171.4109And <laugh>1172.0078 
944 1172.7405they couldn't get across it because they were battling over the bridge,1175.1211 
946 1175.6692so they decided to go1176.5321 
948 1177.1361<laugh> blow the bridge up.1178.2742 
950 1178.3882<cough>1178.7084 
952 1179.8407So1180.1555 
954 1180.8122uh1181.0672 
956 1181.2952while they were down there1182.1201 
958 1182.2287putting-1182.4946 
960 1182.5923or wiring the dynamite to the bridge,1184.3235 
962 1186.7312they were uh- Eli Wallach was afraid that-1188.9563 
964 1189.5479that-1189.8247 
966 1190.0743that1190.2154 
968 1190.4542Clint Eastwood might get killed, and1191.9196 
970 1192.1150neither one- neither one of 'em would have the gold, so they-1194.1590 
972 1194.6475they agreed to tell each other their part of the secret. See,1197.4533 
974 1197.7084Eli Wallach knew- knew it- knew what cemetery it was, but he didn't know the grave.1201.8365 
976 1202.4552But Clint Eastwood didn't know-1203.6763 
978 1203.9802didn't know the cemetery, but he knew the-1205.6735 
980 1205.8797the grave1206.5364 
982 1206.7569that it was buried in.1207.6578 
984 1208.1680And so they agreed to tell him so1209.9155 
986 1210.8327he tell him it was the Sand Hill Cemetery,1212.8299 
988 1213.0504but Clint Eastwood told him it- <laugh> that the grave was uh1216.1819 
990 1218.2551uh, you know, uh1219.1397 
992 1221.1620I've forgotten the name that was on the grave,1223.3003 
993DCA_int_011222.1762Hm-hm.1222.6698
994 1223.3818Hm-hm.1223.7508
995DCA_se2_ag2_m_031223.8539but- but that wasn't really what it was. That1225.5689
997 1225.7297was a grave next to it. He told him the <laugh> wrong grave. [There was] a grave was-1228.7907 
998DCA_int_011227.9078[<laugh>]1228.1500
999DCA_se2_ag2_m_031228.9426was-1229.1326
1001 1229.3008marked unknown1230.3808 
1003 1230.8747where1231.0205 
1005 1231.1216actually where the money was.1232.2369 
1006DCA_int_011232.3093Mm-hm.1232.6470
1007DCA_se2_ag2_m_031233.8902But they-1234.4872
1009 1235.2470they blew the bridge up1236.1479 
1011 1236.6038and after that, that was when they were captured that time.1238.6498 
1013 1240.7382So1241.0609 
1015 1242.2402he1242.7891 
1017 1243.2576uh, when Eli Wallach-1244.4042 
1019 1244.6927when he told-1245.2887 
1021 1245.8720told1246.3010 
1023 1246.5060uh1246.7831 
1025 1246.9122Lee Van Cleef, you know, where the-1248.3587 
1027 1249.5318his part of it,1250.4278 
1029 1252.3777he- he-1252.8827 
1031 1252.9890and he- he's gonna send them on to another prison camp, but he managed to escape.1256.2601 
1033 1256.8714And he1257.2358 
1035 1257.5509made f- well he-1258.6102 
1037 1260.6133he let-1260.9018 
1039 1261.5966he let uh Clint Eastwood go.1263.3088 
1041 1263.6163He figured he would go to it.1264.6717 
1042DCA_int_011265.1009/inaudible/1266.2437
1043DCA_se2_ag2_m_031266.3268No, no, they joined up! He joined up, he1268.1023
1045 1268.1821uh, with1268.5124 
1047 1268.6300with Lee Van Cleef1269.6309 
1049 1269.9764and he was gon- he was gonna lead him to it if he let him live.1272.0986 
1050DCA_int_011272.2657Uh-huh.1272.7896
1051DCA_se2_ag2_m_031273.9385So th- they1274.6295
1053 1275.0699you know, was going tow- going there1276.6568 
1055 1276.7897with.1276.9529 
1057 1279.0472And1279.3471 
1059 1279.5255so finally1280.4898 
1061 1280.9340/unintelligible/.1281.8186 
1063 1281.9932I'm getting tired of [talking about it. <laugh>]1284.1065 
1064DCA_int_011282.7663[<laugh>]1284.0457
1065 1286.1072[/unintelligible/]1286.9576
1066DCA_se2_ag2_m_031286.1148[Well they came /about/ it]-1286.9348
1067 1290.4452They were1290.9273
1069 1291.3487on their way there, and they1292.3762 
1071 1292.4901ca- came up on a1293.4278 
1073 1296.0398up on this fella who was dying,1297.4170 
1075 1297.9670so1298.2138 
1077 1298.5289Clint Eastwood stayed to1299.6450 
1079 1299.7286help the guy,1300.3398 
1081 1300.8181help the fella who was dying.1301.9191 
1083 1303.0605And while Eli Wallach took off1304.8030 
1085 1306.7075after the gold,1307.5085 
1087 1308.4501and /Eli/, he made it to the c- he made it to the cemetery and /was/ started digging.1311.7440 
1089 1312.6627<laugh>1313.1373 
1091 1313.3803And-1313.7561 
1093 1314.1965but he was digging in the wrong graves though.1315.9301 
1095 1316.0098E- uh, Clint Eastwood came up1317.4563 
1097 1317.6499and threw him a shovel,1318.5459 
1099 1319.1040<laugh>1319.4153 
1101 1319.5899and made him- made him dig-1320.9970 
1103 1322.7586i- made him dig the money up, and1324.4138 
1105 1325.3767so then1325.8399 
1107 1326.2309Lee Van Cleef shows up1327.5293 
1109 1328.0988with another shovel, <laugh>1329.4755 
1111 1329.7337and he wants to make Clint Eastwood dig, too.1331.6661 
1113 1332.4709But he told1332.9683 
1115 1333.0594Clee-1333.3175 
1117 1333.4770so by that time, he had finished digging, open the grave up, and saw it was empty.1336.6874 
1119 1338.2212And1338.4604 
1121 1339.3018then that w- made a standoff there because he told him if he kill him1342.2706 
1123 1343.0071that he w- he'd never know where the gold was.1344.8964 
1125 1345.6671That's the only way he could-1346.4605 
1127 1346.8326he w- he would tell him, you know, he- he'd- he gonna write on the bottom of a rock1350.0658 
1129 1350.6542and put a /unintelligible/ /in all of 'em/,1351.8122 
1131 1351.9792move off and the-1352.9018 
1133 1353.3521the one who live,1354.2215 
1135 1354.4455you know, they gonna draw and shoot,1355.5959 
1137 1355.7325and the one who live,1356.5981 
1139 1357.3067would-1357.4927 
1141 1357.6484would get the gold.1358.6392 
1143 1360.3932But-1360.6627 
1145 1362.6317but not uh so then, they1364.2528 
1147 1364.4161they move on off and everything.1365.6727 
1149 1366.6788So they drew and1367.5088 
1151 1368.2719Lee, uh1368.9514 
1153 1369.8094Clint Eastwood shot Lee Van Cleef,1371.5672 
1155 1372.2112but w-1372.6592 
1157 1372.7541Eli Wallach,1373.5210 
1159 1375.0548his gun was empty! He- <laugh>1377.0465 
1161 1377.2591Clint Eastwood had unloaded his gun the night before! <laugh>1380.7025 
1163 1380.8582<laugh>1382.1400 
1165 1382.2615And he didn't know what to do then. He was standing there1384.2318 
1167 1384.3533looking like a fool. [<laugh>]1385.9175 
1168DCA_int_011385.2531[<laugh>]1385.9698
1169DCA_se2_ag2_m_031385.9730With an empty gun, [<laugh>]1387.5182
1170DCA_int_011387.0474[<laugh>]1387.6055
1171DCA_se2_ag2_m_031387.8940so he1388.2509
1173 1388.4104/finally makes-/1389.0823 
1175 1389.6063he got mad because1390.6907 
1177 1392.3193uh1392.6534 
1179 1392.8470Clint Eastwood had told him a lie about1394.6845 
1181 1394.8440where the gold was and everything.1396.0195 
1183 1396.3004Then he made him dig again in the- in the right grave,1398.6694 
1185 1399.1402and he come up with the money.1400.1828 
1187 1400.4068And he was looking- counting 'em- he was -1402.3430 
1189 1402.8100he was throwing the money up and everything,1404.2792 
1191 1404.5778having himself a good time.1405.8154 
1193 1406.3431And1406.6506 
1195 1407.1024happened to look up1407.7858 
1197 1408.0781and Clint Eastwood had a rope,1409.3713 
1199 1409.5004and then-1409.8003 
1201 1409.9066with th- the hangman's noose on it. <laugh>1412.6704 
1203 1412.7691And1412.9476 
1205 1413.3386made him put it around his neck again, and1415.2241 
1207 1415.5506this- this time he stood up on one of these grave markers,1418.1701 
1209 1418.9166and it1419.1710 
1211 1419.3608you know, it was rotten wood and everything and1421.3691 
1213 1421.9310if he had- if he had slipped off of it, he would have hung hisself.1424.5910 
1214DCA_int_011424.5910Hm.1424.8838
1215DCA_se2_ag2_m_031424.7352<laugh> So he,1425.7830
1216 1425.9463he left him his half of the gold, uh1427.5408
1218 1427.6989and1427.9912 
1220 1428.2873he rode off1429.0732 
1221DCA_int_011429.3845<laugh>1429.9464
1222DCA_se2_ag2_m_031429.9312And left tied his hands behind him,1431.5675
1223 1431.8370with the rope around his neck, and he was up on this grave marker,1434.2274
1225 1434.6336<laugh>1435.1955 
1227 1435.3322and he left his half of the gold there though. He rode [off.]1437.6960 
1228DCA_int_011437.4416<laugh>1438.1781
1229DCA_se2_ag2_m_031439.0513He thought he was gonna leave him there. He was scared,1441.1773
1231 1441.4051but-1441.5494 
1233 1442.0340but1442.2124 
1235 1442.4630Clint Eastwood got1443.2868 
1237 1443.9664<laugh> I know it was good-1445.4166 
1239 1445.7811good hundred and fifty yards away,1447.3514 
1241 1447.9019and he turned back <laugh>1448.8586 
1243 1449.3408and shot the rope.1450.0887 
1245 1450.2519<laugh>1452.2323 
1247 1452.5929And th- that- /that's how/ the picture ended.1454.2520 
1249 1454.9378I don't want to use some of the language that he used /but/ [<laugh>]1457.8231 
1250DCA_int_011456.9651[<laugh>]1457.8117
1251DCA_se2_ag2_m_031457.9332what he called him, but he-1458.9734
1252DCA_int_011458.9790Oh.1459.3717
1253DCA_se2_ag2_m_031459.4732I mean it was pretty good though.1460.5969
1254DCA_int_011461.2765Yeah, it sounds good. Boy you have a good memory for those1463.7821
1256 1463.9340plots. That's great.1464.8831 
1258 1465.8157Did you ever have a pet?1466.8635 
1259DCA_se2_ag2_m_031468.2112Uh1468.5415
1260DCA_int_011468.6212Do you remember?1469.4299
1261DCA_se2_ag2_m_031469.5272<cough>1469.9031
1262DCA_int_011469.5310[/Do you have/] one now?1470.5181
1263DCA_se2_ag2_m_031471.0724No I never had a pet.1472.4163
1264DCA_int_011473.0351Mm-hm.1473.4414
1265DCA_se2_ag2_m_031474.5713I was-1475.2471
1267 1476.1089uh one thing, uh1477.4111 
1269 1478.9890I guess I1479.6914 
1271 1479.7863couldn't afford a dog. <laugh>1481.5592 
1273 1481.6352I always wanted a dog. I used to bring 'em home1483.6839 
1275 1483.7902a couple times. My father always made me get rid of them.1485.8157 
1276DCA_int_011486.1630Mm.1486.4591
1278 1486.9602How come? Cause they eat too much?1488.5457 
1279DCA_se2_ag2_m_031488.6482Well, yes, they eat too much and1490.3187
1281 1490.6680I mean I had1491.3134 
1283 1492.0613six sisters and a brother, so [we-] they couldn't afford to [feed a dog.]1495.4653 
1284DCA_int_011493.6582[Wow.]1493.9391
1286 1494.7819[Oh, yeah.]1495.7842 
1287DCA_se2_ag2_m_031496.0120And my father was the only one working.1497.4622
1288DCA_int_011500.5740Uh, what did you study in school?1502.1609
1290 1502.4063That you remember?1503.3022 
1291DCA_se2_ag2_m_031505.8990Well1506.3052
1293 1506.7480nothing really. <laugh> [Only-]1508.0274 
1294DCA_int_011507.7009[<laugh>]1507.9705
1295DCA_se2_ag2_m_031508.5324only what I had to. [<laugh>]1510.2028
1296DCA_int_011509.4815[<laugh>]1510.1421
1297DCA_se2_ag2_m_031510.8368[I would take] a few things, you know, but1512.6122
1298DCA_int_011510.8696[Only-]1511.2303
1299 1513.1095/Rather be/-1513.5841
1300DCA_se2_ag2_m_031513.6182I took a1514.3813
1302 1515.2583uh1515.6152 
1304 1515.7960took Electricity for,1517.0716 
1306 1517.1969and so when I1518.0283 
1308 1518.5029got1518.6965 
1310 1518.8484tired of that,1519.4786 
1312 1520.2189took printing for awhile,1521.4096 
1314 1521.5880and1521.7399 
1316 1522.5599got tired of that.1523.4369 
1318 1524.2152But one of the1524.7315 
1320 1524.8720main reasons was1525.9412 
1322 1527.5509I just wasn't too interested in school, and1529.6617 
1324 1530.4538<cough>1531.0764 
1326 1531.7636excuse me.1532.2002 
1328 1533.0961And then uh I would-1533.8592 
1330 1534.4387maybe I'd go1535.2284 
1332 1536.6976during the Fall1537.5328 
1334 1537.9239til <laugh>1538.8654 
1336 1539.5929til after football season was over, and I'd drop out when1542.2694 
1338 1542.3567when the weather start getting warm1543.7387 
1340 1544.0941and go back to /where I stayed/. I1545.3925 
1342 1545.5482think I stayed in high school for about1546.9984 
1344 1547.3819<laugh>1548.1146 
1346 1548.2171five- six years. [<laugh>]1550.4101 
1347DCA_int_011549.2302[<laugh>]1549.7238
1348 1551.9818That's pretty good. How about uh1553.4952
1350 1554.0988<clears throat> in elementary school. Do you remember what the subjects were there?1557.2006 
1351DCA_se2_ag2_m_031560.2705Well1560.8248
1353 1563.8226I imagine they're the same as they-1565.6221 
1355 1565.9752they are now. We- we had-1567.5393 
1357 1569.6716we had Spelling,1570.5979 
1359 1571.6875Handwriting,1572.5251 
1361 1573.7931Arithmetic,1574.6284 
1363 1575.8470Reading and History.1576.7658 
1365 1579.6459Then we had a time for1580.8684 
1367 1582.2223/everybody sh-/1582.6779 
1369 1582.8677their-1583.2246 
1371 1584.1205telling about your experiences, uh1585.8973 
1373 1586.0795you know.1586.3786 
1375 1586.5527Maybe telling a few fu- little funny stories and things.1589.2786 
1377 1589.9581And1590.4175 
1379 1592.6332and1593.1344 
1381 1593.2407and Singing.1593.8025 
1382DCA_int_011595.3691<clears throat> Do you remember what kids did after school was out1598.1519
1384 1598.5391in elementary school?1599.8755 
1385DCA_se2_ag2_m_031603.5984Well, <laugh>1604.6449
1387 1605.4649<laugh>1606.0799 
1389 1606.2432they did a number of things.1607.4467 
1391 1607.7390<laugh> All depends on the-1608.7489 
1393 1608.8893on this-1609.2576 
1395 1609.4157on the1609.8636 
1397 1610.1560child or you know1611.0026 
1399 1611.3670or the friends that you had.1612.5098 
1401 1613.1552<cough>1613.5652 
1403 1614.3345I mean some of 'em would go1615.3861 
1405 1615.5569straight home.1616.1682 
1407 1617.6412I wasn't one of them.1618.3929 
1408DCA_int_011618.6117[<laugh>]1620.2935
1409DCA_se2_ag2_m_031618.8129[<laugh>]1619.7658
1410 1621.5767[What we would-]1621.9944
1411DCA_int_011621.6451[What would you do?]1622.8144
1412DCA_se2_ag2_m_031622.0855[we-]1622.3930
1413 1623.1902well, we had a lot of wooded areas out there. We'd1625.6338
1415 1626.5184go playing in the woods or somewhere.1628.3246 
1417 1628.9847If it was warm enough, you know, we'd1630.2641 
1419 1630.5868go swimming in the- at the little creek,1632.4608 
1421 1632.6583you know, out there we'd-1633.7213 
1423 1633.8238I'd go swimming.1634.6324 
1425 1635.8055I was hanging with a-1636.6939 
1427 1638.2301with a bunch of fellas that1639.5475 
1429 1640.4206weren't too nice.1641.3052 
1430DCA_int_011641.3052<laugh>1641.5330
1431DCA_se2_ag2_m_031641.5330<laugh>1642.5187
1432 1643.5589And they go1644.3258
1434 1644.7852in somebody's1645.5786 
1436 1647.4793pear tree or apple tree or something [<laugh>.]1650.7404 
1437DCA_int_011649.0814[<laugh>]1650.3760
1438 1650.8454Help themselves.1652.0147
1439DCA_se2_ag2_m_031652.1931Yes.1652.7018
1440DCA_int_011653.2668/Ah, that's pretty cool/1654.3494
1442 1654.8886Do you think kids do about the same things nowadays as they did then?1658.0838 
1443DCA_se2_ag2_m_031658.3800I'm sure they do.1659.6029
1444DCA_int_011659.6478Hm.1660.0461
1446 1661.6815Um1662.0573 
1448 1662.5243when you- do you remember anywhere through school1664.6465 
1450 1665.4044uh, that you ever had a teacher that hollered a lot?1667.7734 
1451DCA_se2_ag2_m_031673.2769No,1673.7705
1453 1673.9071I1674.2754 
1455 1674.3703never had a teacher that hollered a lot.1675.9368 
1456DCA_int_011677.6073Lucky.1678.2147
1457DCA_se2_ag2_m_031678.6323<laugh>1679.5625
1458DCA_int_011681.0569Do you remember the best teacher you ever had?1682.9020
1460 1687.2096Did you ever have a really good one?1688.4648 
1461DCA_se2_ag2_m_031690.6060Mm, well I- I've had a1692.0828
1463 1692.2233couple of real good- good ones.1694.1657 
1465 1696.2728But1696.6486 
1467 1697.9114[remember]-1698.4353 
1468DCA_int_011697.9114[Is there-]1698.4316
1469DCA_se2_ag2_m_031698.5303remembering their names or something, I [know one] was1700.8993
1470DCA_int_011700.1817[Yeah.]1700.5538
1471DCA_se2_ag2_m_031701.1194when I was in junior high.1702.1938
1473 1702.6708Her name was Mrs. Wells.1704.0565 
1474DCA_int_011704.2008Mm-hm.1704.6488
1475DCA_se2_ag2_m_031705.6434And she was1706.1750
1477 1706.4179real good.1707.0557 
1479 1707.1531I mean she-1707.6504 
1481 1708.2085she seemed to1708.9678 
1483 1709.4461take a interest in- in boys, you know, and she-1711.9176 
1485 1712.0909she didn't- she knew1713.0666 
1487 1713.4196this-1713.7195 
1489 1713.9208what made 'em tick I guess.1715.1356 
1490DCA_int_011715.1736Mm-hm.1715.6671
1491DCA_se2_ag2_m_031716.4668I mean /if/-1716.9907
1493 1717.3362I mean, yeah, I had a lot of respect for her1719.2268 
1495 1719.9482cause she, you know, if you-1721.0667 
1497 1721.2110you were in trouble and needed some help or something, she would,1723.5458 
1499 1724.0849uh, you know,1724.7797 
1501 1725.0226help you out of it.1725.8541 
1503 1726.3196Or if you got out of line, she'd just1728.1192 
1505 1728.6051<laugh> ball up her fist and hit you [in the chest. <laugh>]1732.4040 
1506DCA_int_011729.9035[<laugh>]1732.3964
1507 1733.1557Boy.1733.6568
1508DCA_se2_ag2_m_031734.1162I mean a- where some of the teachers,1735.6865
1510 1735.7966you know, if-1736.1877 
1512 1736.5635if they hit somebody,1737.6569 
1514 1737.8619some of those guys, they w-1739.0236 
1516 1739.2210maybe hit 'em back.1740.0183 
1518 1740.5560But no one would hit her back1741.6266 
1520 1741.7443cause everyone liked her.1742.7504 
1522 1742.9668Cause, you know, she'd1743.7450 
1524 1743.8779come1744.1740 
1526 1744.3145right down to you know, she'd meet you on your terms.1746.5189 
1527DCA_int_011747.5623Oh that's [great.]1748.6373
1528DCA_se2_ag2_m_031748.1210[And-] and they1748.8993
1529 1748.9676had too much respect for her to hit her back.1750.7695
1530DCA_int_011751.2137Mm.1751.5782
1532 1754.3520Did you ever have a teacher you just couldn't stand?1756.2464 
1533DCA_se2_ag2_m_031761.4158Well, no. I never have1763.1646
1535 1764.0834cause I was-1765.1654 
1537 1767.2003I wasn't a type of person who made trouble in- in1770.0007 
1539 1770.2474you know, I guess I got along with the teach-1771.9179 
1541 1772.0470I got along with the teachers pretty good.1773.4882 
1543 1773.7008I never made, you know,1774.7600 
1545 1775.7889made any disturbances or anything.1777.1746 
1547 1779.7282<cough>1780.5634 
1548DCA_int_011780.9949Mm.1781.5112
1550 1781.8946Did you ever have- were you ever in a class where the kids played a trick on the teacher?1785.4329 
1552 1786.2074Practical joke or anything?1787.6297 
1553DCA_se2_ag2_m_031788.5067<laugh> Well yes, I was- I've been in those classes. [<laugh>]1791.1742
1554DCA_int_011790.2834[<laugh>]1791.2173
1555DCA_se2_ag2_m_031791.2805<cough>1791.7702
1556DCA_int_011792.3283Were you in on it?1793.6115
1557DCA_se2_ag2_m_031793.9532<laugh> No, I- [<laugh>]1795.9350
1558DCA_int_011795.1719[<laugh>]1795.7072
1559DCA_se2_ag2_m_031796.2297<laugh> I laughed [along with 'em, but <laugh>]1798.6822
1560DCA_int_011797.3383[<laugh>]1798.2798
1561 1799.0505What'd they do?1799.7870
1562DCA_se2_ag2_m_031800.5866Well they would do a number of things. They would-1802.5380
1564 1803.0202this one teacher1803.9769 
1566 1804.8235he was-1805.3740 
1568 1807.6657well they-1808.1136 
1570 1808.3338they1808.5958 
1572 1808.7742would turn to you. They said he was shell-shocked, and he couldn't stand any loud noises or something, or1813.4045 
1574 1814.2536sometime1814.7964 
1576 1814.9217uh this-1815.4570 
1578 1815.6544this one sh- they would get in there, and1817.1920 
1580 1817.3021he would be concentrating on something and take his fingernail and scrape across the blackboard and [make that] noise.1821.8679 
1581DCA_int_011820.8998[<gasp>]1821.5338
1582 1821.9666Mm-hm.1822.3386
1583DCA_se2_ag2_m_031822.5323And he'd jump up and,1823.7357
1585 1824.3721well he had hands about- about <laugh>1826.0274 
1587 1826.2286<laugh> twice the size of mine <laugh>,1827.7700 
1589 1828.1458and he- if he hit you across the head, you could feel it.1830.4489 
1590DCA_int_011830.5780Mm.1831.0032
1591DCA_se2_ag2_m_031831.7131But1831.9903
1593 1832.1687uh he-1832.6774 
1595 1832.8293he would j- just go around and hit,1834.1415 
1597 1834.3123you know, s-1834.7147 
1599 1835.0071smacking everybody.1835.8840 
1600DCA_int_011835.9828Mm.1836.2599
1602 1837.6708What else did they do?1838.9069 
1603DCA_se2_ag2_m_031840.8864Well,1841.3837
1605 1843.8083just the usual1844.6967 
1607 1845.1408things, you know like1846.0789 
1608DCA_int_011846.0789Mm-hm.1846.5501
1609DCA_se2_ag2_m_031847.3224when the teacher turn their back and have1848.9359
1611 1849.1295eraser fights or something or1850.7242 
1613 1851.9375<heh>1852.5829 
1615 1853.2701s-1853.4751 
1617 1853.8889pulling chairs from underneath from somebody when they getting ready to sit down. It's1856.9019 
1619 1857.2436things like that.1858.0067 
1620DCA_int_011859.7683Yeah, that's great. Some of those are really funny /with/ those kids too.1862.7547
1622 1862.8800<laugh>1863.9885 
1623DCA_se2_ag2_m_031864.7554Well I had- I had a pretty hard time.1866.7965
1625 1867.1534I knew when I w-1867.8595 
1627 1868.0683at f-1868.3607 
1629 1868.7024first, when I first went to junior high,1870.3614 
1631 1872.0950well1872.4974 
1633 1873.2681because I was in a class with a1874.9272 
1635 1875.4269lot of1875.7534 
1637 1875.8939older-1876.2925 
1639 1876.6798older fellas, you know, I1877.9857 
1641 1878.1034think1878.2325 
1643 1878.4337there's only about1879.0222 
1645 1879.3866two or three of us1880.1331 
1647 1880.3533were in, you know, were in our right grade.1882.0959 
1649 1882.4490Rest of these fellas, they were1883.5841 
1651 1885.5417<laugh>1885.8682 
1653 1885.9669sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old. I mean, in the seventh grade, and that's- that's no place for a- you know1891.2996 
1655 1891.5425uh1891.8880 
1657 1892.0285k- anybody else, and they1893.5736 
1659 1893.9861you know, they would-1894.4492 
1661 1895.7932they1896.0286 
1663 1896.2564you know, pick on you.1897.0574 
1664DCA_int_011897.3573[Yeah.]1897.6117
1665DCA_se2_ag2_m_031897.3877[/Heck/], I had a lot of trouble with1898.5684
1666 1899.1327have- have1899.6414
1668 1899.8388t- guys telling me to bring money to school and [all that /kind/ <laugh>]1902.5723 
1669DCA_int_011901.9041[Oh really?]1902.5381
1670DCA_se2_ag2_m_031902.8494all that stuff, yes.1903.8199
1672 1904.3780And see I,1904.9247 
1674 1905.2246I mean I was-1905.7865 
1676 1906.4471I was almost as large as they were1907.9648 
1678 1908.3477but I sure- I've1909.2285 
1680 1909.3576you know, I1909.8359 
1681DCA_int_011910.6712[Probably wouldn't mess with them though.]1911.8633
1682DCA_se2_ag2_m_031910.6939<laugh>1911.2748
1684 1911.4191[I]1911.5861 
1685 1911.8822No, I <laugh> could- I couldn't.1913.1679
1687 1913.4374They were too much older and you know,1914.9256 
1689 1915.3015I guess they knew more than [I did.]1916.7935 
1690DCA_int_011916.4670[Yeah.]1916.8011
1691 1917.1072Mm.1917.5362
1692DCA_se2_ag2_m_031918.1171But uh1918.4853
1693DCA_int_011920.0001It [helped you grow up] though.1920.9834
1694DCA_se2_ag2_m_031920.2393[I guess]-1920.6759
1695 1921.2567Yes, uh1921.9387
1697 1922.1589I mean, it was-1922.9296 
1699 1923.1764it got- it- it got so bad that I couldn't hardly1925.5378 
1701 1925.8605you know, concentrate on school work1927.3777 
1703 1927.6928uh1927.8864 
1705 1928.1218in a class like that.1929.1962 
1707 1929.9554But finally, I f- you know, complained and-1931.7232 
1709 1931.8637about it so much, and then, you know, had my parents come up to school.1934.5288 
1711 1934.9616They finally, you know1935.9288 
1713 1936.0916got me out of1936.8281 
1715 1937.4089there.1937.7278 
1716DCA_int_011938.4264Hm.1938.7908
1718 1939.8349Was it- did they move you some place?1941.4698 
1719DCA_se2_ag2_m_031941.6140Yeah, they moved me in a, you know, in another cla- when I1943.7666
1721 1943.9185went to the eighth grade, they-1945.2502 
1723 1945.4319/you know/ I was in a better class.1946.7758 
1725 1946.9922Eh,1947.1669 
1727 1948.1198but I mean, then they had a little-1949.4903 
1729 1949.9749even when I was in this class, they had this little-1952.0363 
1731 1952.1616the teacher- I mean the teacher let 'em get away with this.1954.2027 
1733 1954.8329You know, anyone,1955.7137 
1735 1955.8884you know, you might1956.5983 
1737 1957.5474t- he say, everybody be quiet, you know, and do your work- work.1960.4807 
1739 1961.1451But he may asked a question, he may asked for a pencil or something, but everybody-1964.4428 
1741 1964.5567any- anyone who1965.4185 
1743 1965.5172caught talking, then would whole class jump up and-1967.4762 
1745 1967.6318and- and do him in. <laugh>1969.8324 
1747 1971.0131[/I mean/ <laugh>]1972.0799 
1748DCA_int_011971.6395[Oh] gee.1972.5621
1749DCA_se2_ag2_m_031972.8910/And/ that was pretty rough.1974.1134
1751 1975.1195I mean cause you-1975.8067 
1753 1975.8902uh, it may be unconscious. You may be concentrating on something, maybe, might even-1979.4423 
1755 1980.6496I know a1981.0824 
1757 1981.2190guy. He- he just1982.2593 
1759 1982.9033saying something to hisself, and uh1984.3345 
1761 1984.8395and that was just a cue, and everybody jumped on him and1986.9731 
1763 1987.6475you know, start hitting on him.1988.7560 
1764DCA_int_011988.9952Hm.1989.3445
1765DCA_se2_ag2_m_031991.7766I think his parents tried to sue <laugh>.1993.6407
1766DCA_int_011993.6483Oh really?1994.2481
1768 1996.4069Well I can remember some experiences like that, too.1998.8405 
1770 2000.1958One tough kid2001.1782 
1772 2001.3485I used to mark his spelling test, and he used to make me give him a hundred every time. <laugh>2004.8792 
1773DCA_se2_ag2_m_032005.0615[<laugh>]2006.6242
1774DCA_int_012005.1778[<laugh>]2006.5483
1775 2006.6850/That's the- I mean/ the teacher would have us give2008.3175
1777 2008.4807the test to the kid in front, you know.2009.9272 
1778DCA_se2_ag2_m_032010.0866[Mm.]2010.3751
1779DCA_int_012010.2409[I] always got his.2011.3229
1780 2012.4314He would say, give me a hundred, or I'll beat you up after school. <laugh>2015.7747
1782 2017.0010<clears throat> Yeah I could [/unintelligible/.]2018.3981 
1783DCA_se2_ag2_m_032017.7565<cough>2018.2994
1784DCA_int_012020.4164Um2020.8226
1786 2021.1719when you were a kid,2022.1058 
1788 2022.4893was there a- a group of kids that you used to associate with?2025.6086 
1790 2027.2676You know, it was always your same bunch2028.9899 
1792 2029.3429of kids?2029.9048 
1793DCA_se2_ag2_m_032031.3550Well yes,2031.8524
1795 2032.0346mostly I2032.6914 
1797 2036.5320well2037.0370 
1799 2038.4365<cough>2039.0287 
1801 2039.8677let me see. I had two different bunches I hung with.2041.9140 
1803 2042.3620The ones in school, and the ones that- ones, you know, where I lived.2045.4813 
1804DCA_int_012045.6317/inaudible/2046.6919
1805DCA_se2_ag2_m_032047.1504/unintelligible/2047.8413
1807 2048.0426Well,2048.3159 
1809 2048.4640I didn't like2049.0372 
1811 2049.1625where I was living. I didn't2050.2217 
1813 2050.3166care much for2050.9696 
1815 2051.7175hanging with the fellas where I lived2053.2651 
1817 2053.4359because2053.7738 
1819 2053.8649they were2054.2939 
1821 2054.5749like I said, they were pretty rough.2055.9416 
1823 2056.3213Real rough bunch. I mean they-2057.6866 
1825 2058.4307they would steal and2059.4444 
1827 2059.8088you know, get in all sorts of trouble. And my parents was telling me, you know,2062.9053 
1829 2063.0610I was always afraid of going to jail,2064.8226 
1831 2065.0617you know,2065.5097 
1833 2065.7147g- getting in trouble2066.7536 
1835 2067.5091and everything well2068.2608 
1837 2068.7885I /unintelligible/ uh so uh2070.0223 
1839 2070.9321at- at first, I- you know, I used to be with the fellas2073.4681 
1841 2073.8857in- in the school, you know, with-2075.1044 
1843 2075.5358/who's/2075.9041 
1845 2076.1888pretty2076.4925 
1847 2076.8000n- nice guys in school I used to hang with.2079.1387 
1849 2080.2838But2080.6293 
1851 2082.4630I don't know. I just felt-2083.4804 
1853 2084.0992I didn't feel right2084.9027 
1855 2085.1305around them, most of the time, because2086.7971 
1857 2087.1806you know they had a2087.8829 
1859 2088.0500lot of nice things.2089.1130 
1860DCA_int_012089.2141Mm-hm.2089.5900
1861DCA_se2_ag2_m_032089.9886You know, their parents had homes, and2091.6818
1863 2091.9476they had, maybe had2093.0865 
1865 2093.4358bicycles and everything.2094.8011 
1867 2095.3288I didn't have this.2096.2779 
1869 2098.0357And, I didn't have the clothes that some of them had,2100.3008 
1871 2100.4337and I didn't2100.9082 
1873 2101.9067you know, I felt-2102.5939 
1875 2103.6934I felt ashamed to be around them, so2105.4284 
1877 2105.8157finally I just drifted off from 'em and2107.2773 
1879 2107.5924took up with these2108.3736 
1881 2108.5363ones who were, you know, around where I lived.2110.2675 
1882DCA_int_012112.3200This uh group of kids that was around where you lived2115.8318
1884 2116.4582uh,2117.0428 
1886 2118.1690was there one who was looked up to as the leader?2120.4583 
1888 2120.7012You know,2121.2631 
1890 2121.4757there was the one that sort of2122.6247 
1892 2123.3574decided what you were going to do?2125.0468 
1894 2125.4037/Someone ?/.2125.9542 
1895DCA_se2_ag2_m_032126.5982Yes,2127.0310
1897 2127.1411we had them.2127.7865 
1898DCA_int_012129.2785What [would make] a kid get in that position? What was there about him?2132.1548
1899DCA_se2_ag2_m_032129.4076[Most-]2129.7720
1900DCA_int_012133.3887That made him a leader?2134.5770
1902 2137.7001/Do you remember?/2138.6454 
1903DCA_se2_ag2_m_032139.2794Yeah, I know <laugh> what made him the leader.2140.9983
1905 2141.2180<laugh>2142.0380 
1907 2142.5240He could beat everybody [up. <laugh>]2145.0410 
1908DCA_int_012143.5767[<laugh>]2145.0107
1909DCA_se2_ag2_m_032145.9806[<laugh>]2146.7603
1910DCA_int_012146.0457[<laugh>]2146.8809
1911 2147.7465That [was the main requirement.] <laugh>2149.7852
1912DCA_se2_ag2_m_032147.9477[<laugh>]2148.9880
1913DCA_int_012150.8773Hm-hm.2151.3148
1914DCA_se2_ag2_m_032151.4125Uh, and he,2152.3692
1916 2153.1513well, and- and he hadn't2154.3700 
1918 2154.6585uh2154.9803 
1920 2158.4384he was a kid that had the roughest life.2160.2745 
1921DCA_int_012160.8174Mm-hm.2161.2502
1922DCA_se2_ag2_m_032161.8424And I guess he- he just grew up faster than the rest of 'em, and2164.6542
1924 2164.7719I think that was the main thing.2166.0703 
1925DCA_int_012166.1766Mm-hm.2166.4689
1926DCA_se2_ag2_m_032166.4841That, and maybe he could2167.4826
1928 2167.6724beat anybody because2168.7088 
1930 2169.2352I could beat him, but I could s- I was still afraid of him2171.5282 
1932 2171.6573because you know, I wasn't th-2172.9139 
1934 2173.3391I didn't have2173.9414 
1936 2174.7159uh, I wasn't as treacherous as he was, I guess, you [know],2177.4243 
1937DCA_int_012177.1811[Mm.]2177.6579
1938 2178.3759Mm-hm.2178.8415
1939DCA_se2_ag2_m_032178.8808but I could2179.4135
1941 2180.1662I could beat him2180.8682 
1943 2181.1125most of the time. You know, we'd be playing2182.7107 
1945 2183.4829uh2183.7322 
1947 2183.8691you know,2184.1134 
1949 2184.6510playing,2185.0029 
1951 2185.2669wrestling and everything.2186.4887 
1953 2187.1028I could- I could do him in but2188.7694 
1955 2189.6051<laugh>2189.9815 
1957 2190.1867but I, one thing, I was afraid of him cause2192.2297 
1959 2192.7362he did have about four of five older brothers, [too. <laugh>]2196.0988 
1960DCA_int_012194.8378[<laugh>] That helps. [<laugh>]2197.3695
1961DCA_se2_ag2_m_032196.6856[<laugh>]2197.3251
1962DCA_int_012198.1448Well [how did he]-2199.1028
1963DCA_se2_ag2_m_032198.4821[Eh-]2198.7460
1964DCA_int_012199.3178how did he show himself as the leader? I mean2201.5220
1966 2202.2600how would he2202.8026 
1968 2203.2033act as a leader?2204.2737 
1969DCA_se2_ag2_m_032206.5592Well, he would-2207.3168
1971 2209.4330he would just say, come on and-2210.6978 
1973 2210.8682and let's2211.2885 
1975 2211.4253go do this.2212.3051 
1977 2212.9649Or someone, said2213.8446 
1979 2214.1085and I don't want to go, or something like that, well he said,2216.5962 
1981 2217.2347come on.2217.8554 
1983 2218.1145[<laugh> And he said] he didn't want to go again, well he'd maybe2220.6755 
1984DCA_int_012218.1145[<laugh>]2218.9114
1985DCA_se2_ag2_m_032220.9785instigate a fight between you and someone el- somebody else, so2224.0558
1987 2224.4859or maybe you know,2225.4829 
1989 2227.0518t- uh-2227.3988 
1991 2227.7947you know, well,2228.4741 
1993 2228.7557they start calling you2229.8456 
1995 2230.2611names2230.8280 
1997 2230.9991di- /you know/, different names, saying, aw, you chicken, and everything and2233.4819 
1999 2233.9120then they finally2234.8877 
2001 2235.3618i-2235.5817 
2003 2235.9336you'd finally end up with all the rest of the other guys against you.2238.5533 
2004DCA_int_012240.9366Uh, did any of those kids speak any foreign languages that you remember?2244.3920
2005DCA_se2_ag2_m_032244.8808Only profanity.2245.8045
2006DCA_int_012246.0226[<laugh>]2247.3862
2007DCA_se2_ag2_m_032246.0324[<laugh>]2247.3862
2008DCA_int_012247.5715[<laugh> /unintelligible/]2250.6510
2009DCA_se2_ag2_m_032247.6108[<laugh>]2250.1631
2010DCA_int_012251.3157<clears throat> Were they all Negro kids?2252.6922
2011DCA_se2_ag2_m_032253.0637Yes, /uh/ no, /uh/ wasn't any white.2255.0284
2012DCA_int_012255.5456Mm-hm.2256.4431
2014 2258.2475Uh, could a new kid get into that group?2260.4761 
2016 2261.3705Suppose a new kid moved into the neighborhood.2263.7898 
2017DCA_se2_ag2_m_032265.0294Yes, he could get into it.2266.7694
2018DCA_int_012267.0577And how [would he] go about it?2268.7390
2019DCA_se2_ag2_m_032267.4585[He-]2267.6784
2020DCA_int_012269.0372What would he do?2270.5114
2021DCA_se2_ag2_m_032271.6550Well most of the time, you'd find one,2273.2190
2023 2273.4194some- someone,2274.2454 
2025 2274.3773well when I- like I did. I-2275.9707 
2027 2276.3861when I moved into it,2277.2836 
2029 2277.8701I just happened to be sitting on the porch and2279.6345 
2031 2280.0157this one boy, he was uh very2281.7409 
2033 2281.9169talkative. He's come down and start2283.4742 
2035 2283.5866telling me2284.0656 
2037 2284.5152all about the things that he w- he could do and2286.8514 
2039 2287.5894what he had done and all th-2288.8144 
2041 2289.0392you know, and [everything.]2289.9972 
2042DCA_int_012289.4840[Mm-hm.]2289.8212
2043DCA_se2_ag2_m_032290.5641/Um/2291.1359
2045 2292.6413And then you know, I guess,2293.5797 
2047 2293.7409he drew another one, and2294.8437 
2049 2295.1370just sitting there talking, and2296.4175 
2051 2296.9942they may have asked me to go- go some place with 'em.2298.9736 
2053 2299.1202Let's2299.4428 
2055 2299.5943you know, maybe go2300.4985 
2057 2301.1614or come on, play a game or something.2302.8525 
2059 2303.0431You play, and then we just2304.0010 
2061 2304.4751you know,2304.8270 
2063 2305.4966just-2305.9071 
2065 2306.1026just casual like.2306.9659 
2066DCA_int_012307.0148[Mm-hm.]2307.5514
2067DCA_se2_ag2_m_032307.3663[Something.]2307.7533
2068DCA_int_012308.0618Hm-hm.2308.6003
2070 2309.2972Do you ever see any of those people nowadays?2311.5699 
2071DCA_se2_ag2_m_032312.5798I see 'em2313.3422
2073 2313.7039maybe once in awhile.2314.7303 
2074DCA_int_012315.1310Mm-hm.2315.5465
2076 2316.2894Is there a different group that you associate with now?2318.6744 
2077DCA_se2_ag2_m_032319.2396Mm? Yes, much different.2320.5788
2078DCA_int_012320.7694[<laugh>]2321.8055
2079DCA_se2_ag2_m_032320.8085[<laugh>]2321.8984
2080DCA_int_012322.7586<clears throat>2323.1349
2081DCA_se2_ag2_m_032323.6921But some of those, I mean, n-not2325.1516
2083 2325.3911all of 'em there. Some of 'em,2326.5250 
2085 2326.7645they-2326.9698 
2087 2327.4781they're doing2328.0157 
2089 2328.3969fine, some of 'em.2329.1691 
2091 2330.1613Majority of 'em in jail though.2331.3716 
2093 2331.5915[<laugh>]2333.1958 
2094DCA_int_012331.6502[<laugh> Really?]2333.2141
2095 2333.8104Hm.2334.0548
2097 2336.7997Ah, kay.2337.8554 
2098DCA_se2_ag2_m_032337.8799But some of 'em came out all right, you know.2339.5465
2099DCA_int_012339.5807Mm.2339.7811
2100DCA_se2_ag2_m_032339.7518They're doing fine.2340.6022
2101DCA_int_012340.7195Well that quite often happens. Some of the toughest kids turn out alright.2344.3442
2103 2345.3119/Should get/-2346.0792 
2105 2346.3334make it through.2347.7116 
2107 2349.2543If you could uh, start your life over again, is there anything-2352.1037 
2109 2352.5777is there anything you'd do differently?2354.3910 
2110DCA_se2_ag2_m_032357.4341Yes, I would.2358.2454
2112 2359.1202<laugh>2360.6978 
2114 2360.8877I-2361.1858 
2116 2361.3618i- just like you said,2362.5250 
2118 2362.7840I'd do everything different. [<laugh>]2365.0420 
2119DCA_int_012363.8104[<laugh>]2365.0714
2120 2366.0152Mm.2366.4696
2122 2367.8799Uh2368.6032 
2124 2369.1995what did you want to do when you were in school? Did you have any idea what you wanted to be?2372.9806 
2125DCA_se2_ag2_m_032377.9591Mm,2378.3159
2127 2378.6433well,2378.9512 
2129 2379.4547no, I2380.0705 
2131 2380.2513m- not- not professionally, you know.2382.4067 
2133 2382.9590I didn't have any- m- had any- have any definite plans of what I2385.9972 
2135 2386.2024was gonna do.2386.7449 
2137 2387.4585But2387.6002 
2139 2387.6882what I2388.1867 
2141 2388.6266would have done would-2389.5650 
2143 2390.4332I would have stayed in school. I would have graduated. I think I would have gone to college because2394.3089 
2145 2395.7996well I was sort of lazy.2397.5475 
2147 2398.3979I could have gone, too, if I had2399.9473 
2149 2400.1818uh2400.4555 
2151 2401.7409if I had kept playing sports.2402.9366 
2153 2404.2171But I-2404.7303 
2155 2405.0968I would-2405.4732 
2157 2406.4800I don't know. I'd play-2407.4233 
2159 2407.6285play for awhile and then I'd get tired. I hated- I hated to practice. That's what- [<laugh>]2411.5074 
2160DCA_int_012411.0528[<laugh>]2411.6393
2161DCA_se2_ag2_m_032411.8055and th- and then other interests- I had other interests, you know, well2414.4381
2163 2414.5994just like I said, when I came home and2416.2904 
2165 2416.4370fellas, people I was hanging with, well2418.0548 
2167 2418.4849they were-2418.9247 
2169 2422.3393they were, you know.2423.3559 
2171 2424.2454It was a big thing to have a girlfriend or have two or three girlfriends or something and2428.2709 
2173 2428.4224I think that's what messed me up.2429.5807 
2174DCA_int_012429.7909[<laugh>]2430.4604
2175DCA_se2_ag2_m_032429.8348[I- <laugh>]2430.3945
2176 2430.7488I finally had to get married. <laugh>2432.8535
2178 2433.0637When I was-2433.5182 
2180 2433.6404I got married when I was seventeen /see/.2435.7175 
2182 2436.5044So2436.8808 
2184 2439.4058that's what stopped me. I knew2440.5592 
2186 2440.8574it-2441.1115 
2188 2442.0792I realize now that it wasn't such a big thing. I mean2444.6433 
2190 2446.0558that's-2446.3882 
2192 2446.5201that's- that's my whole draw back right there.2448.5924 
2193DCA_int_012449.6658Yeah, those things happen.2451.3178
2195 2452.0069Here's a question that will make you use your imagination a little.2454.9345 
2197 2455.7018If you had all the money you wanted in the world, what would you do with it?2459.2044 
2199 2459.8544Have you ever thought about that?2461.1202 
2201 2465.5416If I could give you one check2467.4966 
2203 2467.9511on the Chase Manhattan Bank or something.2470.6179 
2205 2471.2190What would you do with it?2472.2112 
2206DCA_se2_ag2_m_032479.3646Well2479.8680
2208 2480.2055<laugh>2481.2096 
2210 2481.5329<laugh> I don't want to say it cause-2483.4145 
2212 2483.7469<laugh>2486.0226 
2213DCA_int_012486.0422Why not? <laugh>2486.8389
2214DCA_se2_ag2_m_032487.6648Well it,2488.1193
2216 2488.6081I don't know.2489.3754 
2218 2490.6608I couldn't think of2491.8582 
2220 2493.7528just what I would do.2494.6570 
2221DCA_int_012495.1776Mm.2495.5647
2222DCA_se2_ag2_m_032497.0860I mean, some people would day dream a lot2499.0246
2224 2499.7186about what they would do if they had all the money they could use,2502.2747 
2226 2503.3597and think of all s- sorts of fantastic things.2505.7284 
2228 2507.1750But I wouldn't even tell you <laugh> what I- what I thought <laugh>2510.6978 
2229DCA_int_012509.2309[<laugh>]2510.5260
2230 2511.6062That's your private-2513.0382
2231DCA_se2_ag2_m_032513.0431Yes. [<laugh>]2514.2991
2232DCA_int_012513.4927[private thought], huh.2514.6559
2233 2515.9560Um2516.3226
2235 2520.8270let's talk about holidays for a minute.2522.5651 
2237 2522.8388Um2523.0539 
2239 2523.8017how do you celebrate Christmas?2525.6687 
2241 2526.7586Either now, or when you were a child. Whichever you rem- you remember best.2530.2562 
2242DCA_se2_ag2_m_032534.0342Well2534.5914
2244 2537.2190when I was a child, we'd-2538.5142 
2246 2539.8925eh, the usual.2540.6978 
2248 2541.0099/Uh, well the/ tree and the toys. We'd play with toys, and what- then most of the time, we'd2544.6119 
2250 2544.7879uh2545.0665 
2252 2545.4917go to church, and2546.3177 
2254 2546.6629after that, we'd visit you know2548.0656 
2256 2548.8622family,2549.5905 
2257DCA_int_012549.6725Mm-hm.2550.2278
2258DCA_se2_ag2_m_032550.3480and that would be a-2551.1496
2260 2551.6725that'd be a whole Christmas holiday thing with the family I have.2554.2220 
2262 2554.4908[<laugh>]2557.9755 
2263DCA_int_012554.4908[<laugh>]2555.8202
2265 2556.4995[A lot of 'em, huh?]2557.3646 
2266DCA_se2_ag2_m_032558.0928Yeah.2558.4447
2268 2558.6238I mean, [/there/]-2559.4302 
2269DCA_int_012559.2494[Do you] have a lot of relatives around here?2560.8622
2270DCA_se2_ag2_m_032560.8574Yes,2561.3363
2271 2561.5318just about all of 'em2562.4116
2273 2562.6119out here.2563.0909 
2274DCA_int_012563.4233Mm-hm.2563.8387
2276 2566.2660Your mother's side and your father's?2567.9912 
2277DCA_se2_ag2_m_032568.0548Yes, both sides.2569.1398
2278DCA_int_012569.3531Mm-hm.2569.7978
2280 2570.9268What was [the best]- oh go ahead.2572.3930 
2281DCA_se2_ag2_m_032571.2054[And]-2571.6208
2282 2572.4370and have to- you know, have to-2573.8104
2284 2574.0059well when I2574.9296 
2286 2575.5406was able to go by myself, a bunch of us2577.6306 
2288 2577.9825fellas would get together maybe.2579.2532 
2290 2579.8593Go to a movie, or2580.7635 
2292 2581.1300go to2581.5357 
2294 2581.6774a2582.0537 
2296 2582.2590dance or party or something.2583.7577 
2297DCA_int_012587.5046Uh2588.0520
2299 2589.6941what was the best Christmas present you ever got?2591.9864 
2301 2592.1574That you remember.2593.2815 
2302DCA_se2_ag2_m_032601.8505Well, I can't really2603.0382
2304 2603.1750remember. <laugh>2604.1818 
2305DCA_int_012604.2209Let me [ask] you a similar one.2605.5601
2306DCA_se2_ag2_m_032604.5680[The-]2604.8759
2307DCA_int_012605.9804What if you could have2607.4009
2309 2608.3539any Christmas present or birthday present that you wanted, what would you like?2612.4527 
2311 2612.7802Suppose you had a real rich uncle or something.2614.7156 
2313 2615.5611He wanted to give you a present. What would you ask for?2618.1417 
2314DCA_se2_ag2_m_032630.3843Um, tell you that's too far out of my realm.2632.2415
2316 2632.4321[<laugh>]2634.1379 
2317DCA_int_012632.4321[<laugh>]2634.1379
2318 2634.2356Never thought about it, huh?2635.3548
2319DCA_se2_ag2_m_032634.6168[That's the]- that I don't have.2636.5358
2320DCA_int_012636.6824Mm.2637.1810
2322 2639.1262Here's a question that's a little more serious.2641.7263 
2324 2642.1008Were you ever in a situation where you thought you might be killed or might die?2645.5514 
2326 2647.4428Dangerous spot, tight spot2649.8505 
2328 2650.2415of any kind. Or sickness or anything.2652.1037 
2329DCA_se2_ag2_m_032653.9413Yes, I've been in situations like those before.2656.8671
2330DCA_int_012657.5416Ah, yeah?2657.8642
2331DCA_se2_ag2_m_032658.2796Yes,2658.6755
2333 2658.8905quite a few times. <laugh>2660.6978 
2334DCA_int_012660.8056What happened?2661.5236
2335DCA_se2_ag2_m_032663.5954Well, I didn't get killed. [<laugh>]2666.3372
2336DCA_int_012664.8026[<laugh>]2666.0733
2337DCA_se2_ag2_m_032667.6062But I can2668.1193
2339 2668.3295well,2668.5934 
2341 2671.2229well one time we were2672.3665 
2343 2674.1242you want me to tell you about what or how I felt or what happened where I was in that [situation?]2677.8631 
2344DCA_int_012677.4575[Well], first, what happened? Then how you felt about it.2680.1438
2345 2682.5533If you don't mind.2683.8338
2346DCA_se2_ag2_m_032684.1790Well I- I know one time we were at this little dance,2686.9844
2348 2688.6168a fellow /they/2689.2571 
2350 2689.8631had a fight,2690.6696 
2352 2692.4908and the-2693.0089 
2354 2693.1555the-2693.4536 
2356 2693.6296um2694.0255 
2358 2695.9413the owner of the place,2696.9903 
2360 2697.1614you know, he called the police, and they came.2699.3656 
2362 2700.0352And they wa- was making everybody leave.2701.8680 
2364 2702.9708This one2703.6404 
2366 2703.9972guy was2704.4761 
2368 2704.6081standing behind me,2705.6784 
2370 2706.1770reached over and threw a Coke-a-Cola bottle2708.2541 
2372 2709.1076and hit the policeman in the back of the head.2711.0919 
2374 2712.2991And he-2712.7195 
2376 2713.0274he turned around and drew his gun and cocked it.2714.9464 
2378 2715.0783It was right in my face. He ducked down behind [me, and I thought surely] he was going to shoot. [<laugh>]2720.2004 
2379DCA_int_012717.1996[/Man/]2718.1307
2381 2719.5050[Wow.]2720.1333 
2382 2720.2960/What happened then?/2720.8176
2383DCA_se2_ag2_m_032721.2152A-2721.5671
2384DCA_int_012721.5866[What went] through [your] mind?2723.0137
2385DCA_se2_ag2_m_032721.6893[a-]2721.9581
2387 2722.1927[h-]2722.4175 
2388 2724.9052<laugh>2725.3402
2390 2725.5063I don't know. [<laugh>]2727.6062 
2391DCA_int_012726.1302[<laugh>]2727.7088
2392DCA_se2_ag2_m_032729.8739/Aw, I probably said/, god I didn't do it. Don't shoot me! [<laugh>]2733.5280
2393DCA_int_012732.6873[<laugh>]2733.5964
2394 2735.8055What he do, didn't shoot?2737.1447
2395DCA_se2_ag2_m_032737.3255No, he didn't shoot.2738.3372
2397 2739.4204And- and another time,2740.8036 
2399 2741.4634a- almost the same incident.2743.0127 
2401 2743.2718Well2743.5894 
2403 2744.7557I think we were up at2745.5231 
2405 2745.9092this place up at Fort Dupont,2747.6784 
2407 2748.6608and they had a2749.2913 
2409 2749.6041little minor riot at the end.2751.1272 
2411 2751.4412Was po- police was coming /in./2753.2337 
2413 2753.6687They- they was-2754.3334 
2415 2754.4946you know.2755.0127 
2417 2755.6676Someone2756.1857 
2419 2756.5358turned the /scout/ car over. [<laugh>]2760.5385 
2420DCA_int_012758.0710[Gee whiz.]2759.1267
2422 2759.5568[<laughing>]2760.5099 
2423DCA_se2_ag2_m_032761.4238And uh2761.8881
2425 2763.9684we were running through the woods, and a2765.2049 
2427 2765.5080/thing just/ shot.2766.4121 
2429 2769.2646seemed like I could hear it coming past my ear and, [you know and]2771.7132 
2430DCA_int_012771.2307[/Man./]2771.7132
2431DCA_se2_ag2_m_032772.4024I f-2772.8178
2433 2772.9302fell down,2773.7171 
2435 2773.8344and I rolled in this ditch, an- an- and I went up this little gully2777.0094 
2437 2777.1267somewhere. I got out of that.2778.2460 
2439 2778.9058But I thought sure he was gonna shoot again. If he had shot again, I know he would have gotten. [<laugh>]2782.6429 
2440DCA_int_012782.1444[Mm-hm.]2782.6478
2441 2783.0485Mm-hm.2783.3955
2442DCA_se2_ag2_m_032783.3907But2783.6057
2443DCA_int_012786.2352You've [been in] some scrapes, then.2787.6270
2444DCA_se2_ag2_m_032786.6310[but-]2786.8754
2445DCA_int_012789.9087<clears throat> Sometimes people say- when you talk about stuff like this /some of the/ times people say, you know,2794.3105
2447 2795.1267whatever is gonna happen, is gonna happen anyway.2797.4336 
2449 2797.8588No sense in worrying about it, or trying to do anything.2800.3008 
2451 2800.8579Do you agree with that? Or?2802.3388 
2453 2803.6096Do you argue with that?2804.9634 
2454DCA_se2_ag2_m_032806.8335Well I say, s-2807.7230
2456 2807.7865uh- e-2808.1287 
2458 2808.3535don't- try to -try to stay out of those [<laugh> kind of situations where you- something] might happen, but-2812.2812 
2459DCA_int_012809.9385[<laugh>]2811.3409
2460 2812.2812Mm-hm.2812.6423
2461DCA_se2_ag2_m_032812.7260but if you- I mean,2813.5519
2463 2813.6595when- if it's there,2814.6223 
2465 2814.7689I mean there's nothing you can do about it. After you come out of it, you2817.1198 
2466DCA_int_012817.0880[Mm-hm.]2817.3853
2467DCA_se2_ag2_m_032817.2126[say]- just say, whew! I sure was lucky.2819.1072
2468DCA_int_012819.2245<laugh> [Mm-hm.]2819.9152
2469DCA_se2_ag2_m_032819.5519[But]2819.8941
2470DCA_int_012820.8407Mm-hm.2821.8392
2471DCA_se2_ag2_m_032822.2400kind of sh-2822.7043
2473 2822.8021kind of shakes you up and make you think for awhile. That-2825.0045 
2474DCA_int_012825.0229Uh-huh.2825.3418
2475DCA_se2_ag2_m_032825.3418I think that changes you.2826.6418
2476 2828.4551You don't want to2829.1002
2478 2829.1864be, you know, into that. I know- I know right now I'm careful about going2832.0553 
2480 2832.3144lot of places where,2833.3994 
2482 2833.6242you know, anything like that might break out.2835.2322 
2483DCA_int_012836.5733Mm-hm.2837.2632