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1DCA_int_010.0830Okay.0.4806
3 0.9397First question is um,2.4875 
5 3.5384what kind of games4.7766 
7 5.0199do you remember playing6.2270 
9 6.7571when you were a kid around ten or so?8.7289 
11 9.6330You remember what kinds of games the kids played?11.4270 
12DCA_se2_ag3_m_0111.6684Well I played um,12.9654
14 14.3787usual games like15.4484 
16 15.6188Kicking the Can,16.6129 
17DCA_int_0117.1193Mm-hm.17.5027
18DCA_se2_ag3_m_0117.7157uh,18.1512
20 18.5820Stickball,19.4990 
22 21.5431and22.0401 
24 22.5987Hide and Seek.23.4081 
26 27.0745Sometime baseball, you know.28.4282 
27DCA_int_0128.4992Mm-hm. Things like that.29.5359
28DCA_se2_ag3_m_0129.6021Yes.29.9051
29DCA_int_0131.7397How does that go?32.4686
30DCA_se2_ag3_m_0132.6201Well,32.8709
32 33.4153<laugh>33.6567 
34 34.4992as I remember it, you kick the can,36.2723 
36 37.7633then the- all the other kids, they run and go hide.39.7182 
38 40.7217And then when they come back,41.7063 
40 42.5536you know, when the person uh,43.8154 
42 44.1041was44.3787 
44 44.8094it45.0982 
45DCA_int_0145.4651Mm-hm.45.7704
46DCA_se2_ag3_m_0145.8697he had to run and find the other kids. Then when he come back,48.1607
48 48.3974he had to jump over the can in order to- f- to put them out.50.8094 
49DCA_int_0151.1692Mm-hm.51.5585
50DCA_se2_ag3_m_0151.8129And that's where that came from.52.9584
51DCA_int_0153.0720Good.53.2945
53 54.2743Uh, how about the first kid that-55.7823 
55 55.9669to be it?56.5727 
57 57.0982How did you pick him?57.9975 
58DCA_se2_ag3_m_0158.4424Well,58.7927
60 60.1796usually the ones like uh, usually run62.5301 
62 62.7763like to a wall63.7798 
63DCA_int_0164.2200[Mm-hm.]64.4424
64DCA_se2_ag3_m_0164.3430[or]64.5939
65 64.7738distant and the last one that66.1560
67 66.3169get there, he's the one to be it.67.7255 
68DCA_int_0168.1988Mm-hm.68.5775
70 69.1218Good.69.3538 
72 70.2531Did you ever use any rhymes for that?72.0660 
74 73.0770Like Tarzan was in a tree or anything like that?75.2018 
75DCA_se2_ag3_m_0175.2922No, um,76.6413
77 78.2175onliest one like,79.0790 
79 79.1858this other game we played. We never used no rhymes for the Kicking the Can.82.2626 
80DCA_int_0182.5040Mm.82.7738
81DCA_se2_ag3_m_0182.7075Just Hide and Seek.83.6069
82DCA_int_0184.3433Mm-hm.84.6415
83DCA_se2_ag3_m_0184.5705Like you say, ten, twenty, thirty five, forty,87.1502
84 87.3490you know,87.5431
85DCA_int_0187.8792[Mm-hm.]88.1253
86DCA_se2_ag3_m_0188.0306[things] like this, and then uh,89.3797
87 89.6684when he count to a hundred,90.6390
89 91.1243everybody supposed to be gone92.3550 
91 92.5538and [when they come] back93.4484 
92DCA_int_0192.7289[Mm-hm.]93.1786
93DCA_se2_ag3_m_0193.6094you know,93.8886
95 94.1253you have to /full/, run and find 'em.95.3371 
96DCA_int_0195.7489Mm-hm.96.0707
97DCA_se2_ag3_m_0196.3926Well in this particular game, I mean instead of jumping over can, you just run to a lamp post, tag the lamp post, and they it.101.3418
98DCA_int_01101.7489Mm-hm.102.0707
100 102.4068Good.102.6672 
102 103.8627Uh, how about uh,104.9881 
104 105.2260Kick-105.3916 
106 105.6046Stickball, did you say?106.7220 
107DCA_se2_ag3_m_01107.1572Well Stickball, I mean that was just uh,108.8707
109 109.3136an ordinary game we'd just play in the field.111.2780 
111 111.8508You know like in-112.5371 
113 112.7312when uh-113.1667 
115 113.3986where I come from in Georgetown,114.6719 
116DCA_int_01114.7145Mm-hm.115.0695
117DCA_se2_ag3_m_01115.2284well they had uh,115.9432
119 116.2982a lot-116.6343 
121 117.1313you know, regular baseball- a lot-118.4850 
123 119.3087/you know this thing where do/ we have these sticks,120.9228 
125 121.1480and we have a ball,122.0142 
127 122.2887something like soccer or something like [this, you know?]124.2105 
128DCA_int_01123.8176[Mm-hm.]124.4093
129DCA_se2_ag3_m_01124.7454And we just take the stick and get to hit the ball126.6530
131 126.9038to one end of the field to the other.128.3503 
133 128.6106Well we had two teams.129.8318 
135 130.3052One be on the one side, and one be on the other side, and we just try to get the ball-133.3278 
137 133.8154You know, see who can get the ball back over the other goal before the other one /would/.137.3465 
138DCA_int_01137.5643Mm-hm.138.0092
140 139.2332Good.139.5267 
142 139.7207Good.139.9905 
144 141.3348Did you ever play that game where one kid has to chase everybody else?144.3074 
145DCA_se2_ag3_m_01146.5349Well,146.8899
147 150.1702we used to have a- something like this. I mean it was /similar/-153.0975 
149 153.7656where154.2720 
151 154.9016one kid had to chase all the other kids, and once he157.1973 
153 157.3278tag 'em,157.8485 
155 158.2935then the other kid, he turn around and started chasing the rest of 'em again, [you know?]161.5453 
156DCA_int_01161.1525[Mm-hm.]161.5832
157DCA_se2_ag3_m_01161.8530[Yeah.]162.0802
158DCA_int_01161.9855[What] do you call that?162.7855
159DCA_se2_ag3_m_01163.4914Well I don't know. We never did have a- Just called it chase.166.2841
161 166.5729Never did have a sufficient name for it.168.8863 
162DCA_int_01168.9991Mm-hm.169.4299
164 170.5044Um,170.8430 
166 171.5599were there any varieties of that game?173.4039 
168 174.5636Like Freeze or anything?176.0168 
169DCA_se2_ag3_m_01176.8404Freeze! Yeah, that was the a good [game.]178.5871
170DCA_int_01178.3551[<laugh>]178.9752
171DCA_se2_ag3_m_01179.0131Yeah.179.3444
172DCA_int_01179.5148How'd that go?180.1065
173DCA_se2_ag3_m_01180.1234Uh,180.5731
175 181.3731well like uh,182.0405 
177 183.5836you be-184.1090 
179 185.0036Well it-185.3160 
181 185.4675You could- This a type of game that you could play anytime.187.8890 
182DCA_int_01188.2535Mm-hm.188.5328
183DCA_se2_ag3_m_01188.6558And uh,189.1528
185 189.4037you just had a group190.3078 
187 190.4687of uh, kids, /to get together/, girls and boys, you know,193.1553 
189 193.7565and like,194.3860 
191 195.2475we would be walking down the street, and one kid be uh-197.4722 
193 197.9740have a198.4946 
195 198.8903piece of candy or something, you know.200.1967 
197 200.9635And we tell him to freeze. If his fingers not crossed, he had to freeze.203.7136 
199 203.9976And you go up and bite a piece of his candy [/oddly enough/. <laugh>]205.9079 
200DCA_int_01205.4204[<laugh>]206.2251
201DCA_se2_ag3_m_01206.2156Something like that.206.9635
202DCA_int_01207.4700[/Huh./]207.6972
203DCA_se2_ag3_m_01207.4747[And uh,] the way-208.4451
204 208.5539We don't care where you at. You have to stop,209.8462
206 210.0213you know, [and stand] still until they tell you to melt,211.8369 
207DCA_int_01210.2749[Mm-hm.]210.6062
208DCA_se2_ag3_m_01212.0026you know, and then you melt and you can go ahead, you know.214.1137
209DCA_int_01214.2841Mm-hm.214.7149
211 215.7704Yeah, that's cute.216.5024 
213 218.0121Um,218.2961 
215 219.0203did you ever play marbles?220.1989 
216DCA_se2_ag3_m_01220.4971Yes.220.9279
217DCA_int_01221.7258How does that222.1850
219 222.3743work?222.6183 
220DCA_se2_ag3_m_01222.7246Well,223.0559
222 224.4665/the- we used to play/ uh,225.6309 
224 225.9859different kind of marbles like uh,227.3492 
226 228.3885sometime we used to play marbles just229.9174 
228 230.0405to uh, win the other kids' marbles,231.9765 
230 232.6107who had, you know,233.3113 
232 233.4817like drawing a circle.234.5088 
233DCA_int_01234.7909[Mm-hm.]235.1222
234DCA_se2_ag3_m_01234.9802[Put] all the marbles in the center,236.2393
235DCA_int_01236.5517Mm-hm.236.8925
236DCA_se2_ag3_m_01236.9540then uh,237.4842
238 237.9055you know, you shoot into the bunch and see if-239.7231 
240 239.8746and once you bust the marbles out,241.2595 
242 241.6476if one of the marbles roll out, then you continue to shoot.244.1232 
244 244.6723But once you hit a marble and the marble didn't go outside the circle,247.2263 
246 247.6429then you have to take your marble out and give the other kid a chance.249.9433 
248 250.2463You know, shoot like that.251.1030 
249DCA_int_01251.3160Mm-hm.251.7326
250DCA_se2_ag3_m_01252.2749And then we have uh,253.4251
252 254.3813this other part of the marble game where /another-/256.0617 
254 256.2794you shoot close to the line.257.5385 
256 258.1234They call it Knuckles,259.0228 
258 259.6287and you get close to the line-260.7742 
260 261.0440if you get closer than other kid, then-262.2841 
262 262.4403then you take the marble in your hand and shoot him on his knuckles with it, you know.265.2619 
263DCA_int_01265.2405<laugh>265.7612
264DCA_se2_ag3_m_01265.7186Everybody's tryna get the knuckles, you /know/?267.3269
265DCA_int_01267.2475Mm-hm.267.6593
266 268.3125Good.268.6249
268 269.1409How did you make the circle?270.2248 
270 270.6536/Uh./270.9613 
271DCA_se2_ag3_m_01271.6476Well just a round circle. Uh-273.4558
272DCA_int_01273.6025Did you draw it on the [ground?]274.7132
273DCA_se2_ag3_m_01274.6013[Yeah], draw it on the ground275.7089
274 276.8903about277.3352
276 277.9363maybe278.3482 
278 280.1658two-280.5539 
280 280.9089about two or three feet in diameter.282.5129 
282 283.1127[You know?]283.4157 
283DCA_int_01283.1269[Mm-hm.]283.5198
284 285.4132We used to dig 'em-286.1800
286 286.9468dig in with our heels.288.1207 
287DCA_se2_ag3_m_01288.3175<laugh>288.8713
288DCA_int_01289.0985Make it harder to shoot them out.290.4192
290 291.1339Okay good.291.7926 
292 292.1232Um,292.5492 
294 295.2737what are your favorite TV programs?297.1102 
295DCA_se2_ag3_m_01299.0935Well,299.4296
297 299.8556I like um,300.6015 
299 301.8180Mission /Impossibles/,303.1292 
301 303.8818um,304.3693 
303 305.0888Beverly Hillbillies,306.1444 
305 307.6429um,308.3860 
307 310.1279To Catch a Thief,311.0557 
309 312.9187um,313.7307 
311 317.0036let's see.317.4060 
313 321.4463Perry Mason,322.3504 
315 327.3848/Mob/ Squad,328.3362 
317 332.8262Lucy Show,333.8250 
318DCA_int_01334.5758Mm, that's quite a-335.4296
319DCA_se2_ag3_m_01335.5811um,336.2580
321 337.2216The Flintstones,338.1257 
322DCA_int_01338.5422Mm-hm.338.9824
324 339.4605Very good.340.0143 
325DCA_se2_ag3_m_01340.4167um,340.9279
327 341.1314let me see.341.5196 
329 344.0263The /Jestons/,345.0061 
331 347.7278and I like all the Western they have on there.349.5766 
332DCA_int_01349.8464[Mm-hm.]350.2630
333DCA_se2_ag3_m_01350.0215[Like] uh,350.6937
334 352.2084I forget the name some of 'em. Um,354.0639
335DCA_int_01355.5624Outcast.356.2488
336DCA_se2_ag3_m_01356.3908Outcast, yes,357.6167
338 357.8534yes, Outcast.358.8521 
340 359.6426And um,360.3763 
341DCA_int_01361.4914Bonanza.362.2251
342DCA_se2_ag3_m_01362.3718Bonanza, sure.363.8629
344 365.3302An- well, I like all the Western they have on367.7896 
346 367.9458um, cause I just love Westerns [anyway, you know.]369.9765 
347DCA_int_01369.4652[Mm-hm.] I do too.370.6283
348 371.5953My wife doesn't.372.5854
349DCA_se2_ag3_m_01372.5447<laugh> I love it.373.7328
350DCA_int_01374.6274Uh, well,375.6830
352 375.8345can you remember on any of those shows, say Mission Impossible or Mod Squad or380.1162 
354 381.0866one of the Westerns,382.0427 
356 382.3220a particular show that you remember the story of?384.8145 
358 385.7091/?/385.9505 
359DCA_se2_ag3_m_01386.9966Trying to think. I'm387.9575
361 388.6628tryna think in the um-389.9645 
363 392.5375Well in Mission Impossible, I remember one story- Well,395.4486 
365 396.4642they had this vault397.4772 
367 398.6132in this basement,399.4416 
369 400.5445and this uh-401.5054 
371 401.9246a villa.402.4331 
373 403.3636And uh,403.9032 
375 404.7978they was trying to get405.6262 
377 405.8297to it-406.1942 
379 408.7341No, that was Take a Thief. That's the one, yeah. To Take a Thief.411.4889 
381 412.0711Because uh-412.6013 
382DCA_int_01412.5918Do you remember that one?413.5480
383DCA_se2_ag3_m_01413.6048Yeah, because see uh,414.8098
385 416.1825they- they had to bring this uh-417.5173 
387 417.9197the thief out of the United States and take him over to uh- I think it was421.2405 
389 421.7281one of those countries in uh,422.7931 
391 422.9351South America.423.6204 
392DCA_int_01423.7966Mm-hm.424.1526
393DCA_se2_ag3_m_01424.4119And um,424.9089
395 426.0876the main attraction was to427.4299 
397 427.9695get428.3576 
399 428.7174to the safe,429.3327 
401 429.6214open it,430.0238 
403 430.8521get the plans out432.1140 
405 432.7577and bring 'em back.433.7281 
406DCA_int_01434.0073[Mm-hm.]434.3340
407DCA_se2_ag3_m_01434.2346[You] know, back to States.435.1954
408 435.8297So uh,436.4119
410 436.6628they was going over there- /Well/437.6237 
412 437.9550over there- He needed some help439.1885 
414 439.9505and getting this- pulling this uh,441.6120 
416 441.9575caper off.442.7007 
417DCA_int_01442.9752Mm-hm.443.2545
418DCA_se2_ag3_m_01443.4628But443.6805
420 444.0950he had another fella from uh, South America447.0250 
422 447.2901that he taught how to steal everything,449.4675 
424 449.9266you know.450.2343 
425DCA_int_01450.2627Mm-hm.450.6177
426DCA_se2_ag3_m_01450.6631How to-451.0323
428 451.2169and so when he got to this particular hotel,453.4321 
430 454.2463uh, he had a decoy with him. This girl, she was with him.456.8103 
432 457.4346And uh, just ha- he had agents. /He/ was with him.460.3362 
434 461.0225Well they was all sposta been separate, just-462.6867 
436 462.8193other than him and the girl /was on- for two was together/.464.8878 
438 465.3848Well this other fella, he was um-467.0462 
440 468.3270he heard in the paper- seen that he was coming to they country,470.8499 
442 471.2096[and he] seen it.471.8108 
443DCA_int_01471.2191[Mm.]471.4416
444DCA_se2_ag3_m_01472.3173So he decide to go there hisself because he knows474.9139
446 475.1601gonna be something stolen, and he wanted in- wanted be- want a piece of the pie.478.2747 
447DCA_int_01478.3409Mm-hm.478.7906
448DCA_se2_ag3_m_01478.9515So uh, he got the-480.3648
450 481.2547or-481.4488 
452 482.1209he got there-482.9067 
454 483.2380The other two had already got there. The one from the United States was already there and they checked in a hotel.487.4170 
455DCA_int_01487.6855Mm-hm.488.0168
456DCA_se2_ag3_m_01488.1872So when he arrived,489.0440
458 489.8676he uh, gave the desk clerk491.2450 
460 491.5432some sob story492.5136 
462 492.9565to get a room493.7612 
464 493.8985right next door494.6511 
466 494.7789to the-495.2096 
468 495.4984his other friend, you know.496.6249 
470 497.2592So uh, while he was talking at the desk, uh,499.2027 
472 499.5198his friend shows up,500.4334 
474 500.6322and he seen him, you know, coming through the lobby and then502.2131 
476 502.4971they greeted one another, you know.503.8083 
478 504.3932And he wanted to know what he was doing there cause they were supposed to be going to see uh,507.3185 
480 507.9481I think it was something like a hockey game or something like [this you know.]510.7490 
481DCA_int_01510.1424[Mm-hm.]510.5778
482DCA_se2_ag3_m_01511.7375So uh,512.2630
484 513.4984they checked in back in their room. So when they got up to their room,515.8604 
486 516.9045the fella from South America-518.3529 
488 518.5943the thief from South America, he uh, put this520.7338 
490 521.0178wall tap on the side of the wall522.5656 
492 522.8287so he- he had a conversation what was going [on in the] next roo- apartment526.0806 
493DCA_int_01524.6464[Mm-hm.]525.0014
494DCA_se2_ag3_m_01526.8474where this thief from the United States was at, so when uh,529.0843
496 529.5813the girl530.1257 
498 530.6132and the thief got in the room,531.9623 
500 532.6344they started talking.533.4722 
502 533.5527Well,533.8698 
504 534.1329he knowed that this other fella535.7281 
506 535.9316would536.0499 
508 536.3103pull something like this, so [he started] giving him some538.1563 
509DCA_int_01537.2901[Mm-hm.]537.6498
510DCA_se2_ag3_m_01538.7811way out plans,539.7515
512 540.0970you know?540.3195 
514 541.1601So anyway,541.7707 
516 542.4949they uh, had made plans for to544.1942 
518 544.3835go to this villa545.3539 
520 546.0355to see if- how they could,547.4725 
522 547.5908you know, arrange to get into this particular safe.550.1155 
524 550.5255Well the safe551.1314 
526 551.8205was surrounded552.7885 
528 553.2926by this uh,554.2204 
530 554.4902thick bar- not barbed wire, but556.3551 
532 556.6817uh- bar- on bars,558.0260 
534 558.6252and the safe was on the inside559.9032 
536 560.4665with a black panther walking around the safe.562.6770 
537DCA_int_01562.6817Hm.562.8474
538DCA_se2_ag3_m_01563.2497Then from the outside, you couldn't get from- to it from outside because it was surrounded by water,567.7871
540 568.2794and it had this uh,569.4154 
542 570.9045um-571.8511 
544 572.1683alarm system set up573.5126 
546 573.7587around the outside of the border, [you know], sort of keeping /him out/ from getting through.577.2311 
547DCA_int_01575.3586[Mm-hm.]575.6758
548DCA_se2_ag3_m_01578.2156So when they decide to go out there to579.9907
550 580.1847to look- They looked at it one day.581.5290 
552 582.7388The next night,583.4015 
554 583.8322he was going out there. He had dressed in all these black clothes.586.2983 
556 586.6959But when he get there,587.4864 
558 587.8367you know,588.0970 
560 588.5447to go through the changes of getting through the fence and all that.591.0913 
562 591.8013He tell his fella, say,592.7764 
564 593.2213well we can rest awhile now because my other friend, he already been here, and beat us to it.597.1150 
565DCA_int_01597.2238[<laugh>]597.7161
566DCA_se2_ag3_m_01597.4132[He gone] in there, you know.598.2983
567DCA_int_01598.6297Mm-hm.598.8947
568DCA_se2_ag3_m_01599.0746Well anyway, they uh-599.9834
570 600.6962they went through a lot of changes602.1399 
572 602.2961but they did wind up getting to the safe.604.3693 
574 604.9610They drugged the uh, /pamper/-606.2154 
576 606.4500the panther.606.9707 
577DCA_int_01607.3399Mm-hm.607.5766
578DCA_se2_ag3_m_01607.6050They drugged him and uh, well this thief from United States, he real slick with his hands. He open the safe, got the plans out,613.1033
580 613.4867got away with it, you know?614.7458 
581DCA_int_01615.4321Hm.615.6262
583 615.9717Good.616.2699 
585 617.7042How about a movie? Have you seen a movie619.6855 
587 620.1115recently that you're /into/?621.3730 
588DCA_se2_ag3_m_01622.1563Well only one movie. They had made but one movie.624.5258
589DCA_int_01625.1695<laugh>625.4677
590DCA_se2_ag3_m_01625.3541One movie, that's The Wild Bunch. That's the only movie they ever made.628.1658
591DCA_int_01628.3599Really? [<laugh>]629.2119
592DCA_se2_ag3_m_01628.7101[Really.] The Wild Bunch, The Magnificent Seven,631.0512
593 631.5955you know?631.8417
594DCA_int_01632.1020Mm-hm.632.4050
595DCA_se2_ag3_m_01632.8641But I've seen um-633.6120
597 634.0806On my way up from uh,635.1787 
599 636.2370Alabama,636.9234 
601 637.0843I637.3305 
603 637.7470just came back638.5186 
605 638.6842home from uh, Mobile.639.8771 
607 640.8521And I stopped- We had a layover642.4000 
609 643.2027in uh, Atlanta, Georgia,644.5848 
611 645.6593and uh,646.1185 
613 646.3078well I decided to come on into the town647.9598 
615 648.8382and see- just to see The Wild Bunch cause I heard so much talk about The [Wild Bunch], you know?652.6107 
616DCA_int_01651.9007[Mm-hm.]652.2415
617 652.8427Mm-hm.653.1361
618DCA_se2_ag3_m_01653.4344But you talking about a magnificent picture.655.0323
619DCA_int_01655.6239Really [great?]656.2346
620DCA_se2_ag3_m_01655.9837[I'm tryna] find it again.657.2144
621 657.6404[It was up on U] Street- It was on U Street, but I missed it.660.3242
622DCA_int_01657.6498[/inaudible/]658.4072
623 660.6678Oh.661.0086
624DCA_se2_ag3_m_01661.4725Because I- and you know-662.3434
626 662.8026had to go to Pennsylvania,664.0711 
628 664.2747things like that, and come back.665.3397 
629DCA_int_01665.2545Mm-hm.665.6426
630DCA_se2_ag3_m_01666.3412But I missed it.666.9139
631DCA_int_01667.1932Oh it'll probably come [back again.]668.5532
632DCA_se2_ag3_m_01667.9837[Beautiful picture.]668.7552
633DCA_int_01669.2333[What was it about?]670.0617
634DCA_se2_ag3_m_01669.2712[That picture is nice.]669.9859
635 671.6947Oh well it was about672.5589
637 673.0938these bandits.674.0026 
639 674.6511Well they-675.1197 
641 675.3800well,675.6924 
643 676.2747they was really robbers and uh, well you know,678.7483 
645 679.2027but they was679.6523 
647 679.8985mainly on- around Mexico.681.4984 
649 682.3599You know, around on the683.2781 
651 683.5480Rio Grande and border684.6678 
653 685.4204and Texas,686.1115 
655 686.3908things like that.687.0771 
657 687.3374And onliest thing they was doing, they was stealing like crazy. They robbing the banks,691.2169 
659 691.7991and I don't know. It seemed like the uh-693.4794 
661 694.7527the sound,695.7116 
663 697.8653uh, the blood when a person was shot699.8487 
665 701.3492and how realistic it looked.702.9518 
666DCA_int_01703.1553[Mm-hm.]703.4509
667DCA_se2_ag3_m_01703.2879[Like] when they was in this uh, v- big vat-705.4084
668 706.0759They had a big large vat. Well this was after they robbed uh,708.9423
670 709.4204one of the towns-710.1967 
672 710.6274They got the money, so they come into this uh,712.6344 
674 713.0273you know, village,713.6710 
675DCA_int_01713.8726Mm-hm.714.1850
676DCA_se2_ag3_m_01714.2039and uh, they was uh,715.1979
678 715.7328celebrating they uh,716.6748 
680 717.1102winnings you know.717.7398 
682 718.5255And uh, they decide they wanna bath and things like this, and they wanted food and they want to drink.722.8641 
684 723.4274So uh, these724.2084 
686 724.3551two, just two particular ones, I forget the names now,726.9660 
687DCA_int_01727.3210Mm-hm.727.6523
688DCA_se2_ag3_m_01727.8133other than uh,728.5612
690 730.1279/Borgnine/.730.7764 
692 731.0273I remember his name,731.8746 
694 732.0619and uh, I forget the other one- main character's name.734.5943 
696 735.2286But anyway735.5741 
698 736.2273they uh,736.7669 
700 738.2465were celebrating, and these other two, they went out and they decided they want to741.4679 
702 741.8345be different.742.3362 
704 742.8332So uh,743.4296 
706 743.7069they went to um,744.5021 
708 744.7009the wine cellar,745.3920 
710 745.6949and they had these three Mexican women, you know.747.2948 
712 747.9765And they shot into the748.8616 
714 749.0746barrels of big750.0166 
716 750.5826big750.7341 
718 750.8950huge vats of wine.752.1825 
720 752.6700And drinking wine, you know.753.8629 
722 754.2841And they decide they want to uh,755.6190 
724 755.8868sure enough, get into the thing.757.0039 
726 757.1837So they got into the vat,758.3008 
728 758.4192[you know.]758.7600 
729DCA_int_01758.6558[<laugh>]759.3232
730DCA_se2_ag3_m_01759.3232And they had these women, they took off their clothes in the vat and all this stuff. I mean it was really wild, you know.764.2535
731 764.8310Like uh,765.6025
733 765.7398near the end of the picture when um-767.3918 
735 768.2039when the most uh-768.9991 
737 769.4204when these- /was four of 'em/-770.5848 
739 770.7978Well they had this Mexican-771.9339 
741 772.6865The Mexican773.5270 
743 774.0808was the one that uh-775.1790 
745 776.6180was the onliest one that wasn't- with them, that wasn't American,779.4675 
746DCA_int_01779.7326Mm-hm.780.0213
747DCA_se2_ag3_m_01780.2228and that's the one uh,781.1175
749 781.9458the General782.5943 
751 782.7458from uh,783.4794 
753 784.6675the Mexican Army- part of this Mexican Guerrilla Army787.4772 
755 788.0405had cut his throat.788.7836 
757 788.9256Well they actually had him captured for a long time, dragging him around.791.9814 
759 792.3506He was all skinned up and [scarred up] and thing.794.2914 
760DCA_int_01793.7139[Hm.]793.9600
761DCA_se2_ag3_m_01794.8168So uh,795.3232
763 796.0664he only had- they only had four left-798.2248 
765 798.9234four men left when they took the Mexican.800.7647 
767 801.3658So they decide they want to go, so they went to this uh-803.8840 
769 804.7057It was in the village805.6003 
771 806.2724when they had stole all these guns and things for the Mexican808.7196 
773 808.9989and sold it to 'em.809.7894 
775 810.3932Well I'm telling it in pieces, you know.811.9127 
776DCA_int_01811.9221Mm-hm, that's [alright.]812.7694
777DCA_se2_ag3_m_01812.6842[And] uh,813.2238
778 813.6167they gave 'em all these guns and things like that-815.6874
780 815.8225and they sold 'em to 'em rather, you know, for gold.817.7423 
781DCA_int_01817.9789Mm-hm.818.2819
782DCA_se2_ag3_m_01818.5280And after they got all this loot, they headed820.2084
784 820.4735/what- uh- na-/820.9563 
786 821.1977cause this old man he got captured and shot.823.3447 
788 824.1588Well anyway, they went in town just to see what they was gonna do about the Mexican.827.2403 
790 827.7562They want to buy him back.828.9613 
792 829.1979They wouldn't sell it to 'em.830.0689 
794 830.3813Finally this general, he was real mean.832.0664 
796 833.1929He say, well you want this fella, you know. He said, yes, so they took the Mexican836.8357 
798 837.5646Got him by his hair, pull him to him.839.2923 
800 839.8462Pull out his knife,840.6177 
802 841.3778and he looked at him.842.0499 
804 842.2488It was four of 'em standing there,843.3469 
806 843.8534all four of 'em.844.5918 
808 845.3255Well, I think it's Robert something- I forget his name- well he had847.7659 
810 847.9742one, two, three,848.9824 
812 849.4084four-849.9291 
814 850.3930He had four guns and a pump shotgun852.9045 
816 853.7896and a couple more of 'em, I think.854.9635 
818 855.2238All of 'em had shotgun- pump shotguns.857.4344 
820 857.6994But all 'em had two or three pistols with 'em too, you know.860.0594 
822 860.4760Well this town was full of Mexican. Nobody-862.2463 
824 862.4261They had about863.0083 
826 865.0086probably close to two hundred Mexicans in this town.866.9351 
827DCA_int_01866.9067<exhale>867.2191
828DCA_se2_ag3_m_01867.5552You know?867.8487
830 868.0901And only four of them.868.9705 
831DCA_int_01869.2450Mm-hm.869.5557
832DCA_se2_ag3_m_01869.8604So uh,870.3716
834 870.8003they took this Mexicans-871.7801 
836 871.9269Mexican that872.5328 
838 872.7268was supposed to have betrayed 'em,873.9007 
839DCA_int_01874.0380Mm-hm.874.3220
840DCA_se2_ag3_m_01874.6155grabbed him by his hair875.4560
842 875.6170took a knife and876.3664 
844 876.4926cut his throat.877.0607 
845DCA_int_01877.2547Ugh.877.6239
846DCA_se2_ag3_m_01877.8701You could see the blood-878.8452
848 879.2570I mean you just could see everything. It was so- and the881.6332 
850 881.9172sound, you know,882.9139 
852 883.9647/pushed/ him down.884.6416 
854 885.6025So uh,886.3977 
856 887.3681/Borgnine/, he was standing beside this other fella, and they looked at one another.889.9032 
858 890.7363He bowed his head, and they started shooting.892.2983 
859DCA_int_01892.6107<laugh>893.0651
860DCA_se2_ag3_m_01893.0509They- I think they musta killed about [a hundred Mexic- a hundred- two hundred Mexicans /there-/]896.3813
861DCA_int_01894.4690[<laugh>]896.4002
862DCA_se2_ag3_m_01896.8215/All, but/ all them got killed.898.0664
864 898.2998And all of them got killed- all- [you know.]899.9172 
865DCA_int_01899.5696[Mm-hm.]899.9625
866DCA_se2_ag3_m_01900.3790But the picture was so magnificent you know.902.1277
867DCA_int_01902.0168Mm-hm.902.4050
868DCA_se2_ag3_m_01902.6984[I don't believe that /I don't even know/]- I don't think they could make another picture that good,905.8320
869DCA_int_01902.7079[Really looked realistic.]903.8676
870DCA_se2_ag3_m_01906.0714[you know.]906.4500
871DCA_int_01906.0856[Mm-hm.]906.4453
872DCA_se2_ag3_m_01907.0559Not a Western.907.8246
873DCA_int_01907.9269Mm-hm.908.3434
875 909.0345And you'd like to go see it again. [<laugh>]911.2592 
876DCA_se2_ag3_m_01910.2747[Aw yeah. I'm] definitely gonna try to find it.912.2248
877DCA_int_01912.6252Mm-hm.912.9991
879 913.8795Uh, that's great.914.6132 
881 916.0475Uh,916.3883 
883 916.7291do you have a pet917.5385 
885 918.4500of any kind?919.0607 
886DCA_se2_ag3_m_01919.1080Mm-hm.919.4393
888 920.1493German Shepherd.920.8546 
889DCA_int_01920.8736Dogs?921.3138
891 921.8818Does he ever do any- What's his name?923.3160 
892DCA_se2_ag3_m_01923.7657Rex.924.1775
893DCA_int_01924.5068Mm-hm.924.8666
895 925.0323Does he ever do anything funny or smart or?927.2475 
896DCA_se2_ag3_m_01928.1563Well I mean, onliest thing he do, he- like uh,930.3668
898 931.6429I can931.9931 
900 932.1730throw things.932.9872 
902 933.1954He'll go get it.933.8913 
904 934.8569You know.935.1835 
905DCA_int_01935.2734Mm-hm.935.6095
906DCA_se2_ag3_m_01936.1802But I don't know. He- He is kind of weird acting [dog. Like I] take him to the country, you know, he catch rats.940.4167
907DCA_int_01938.2346[<laugh>]938.7221
908 940.8521Oh really?941.4438
909DCA_se2_ag3_m_01941.4580He catch rats, [yeah.]942.3601
910DCA_int_01942.1045[<laugh>]942.7814
911DCA_se2_ag3_m_01942.8240He catch rats.943.5671
912DCA_int_01943.7328Mm.943.9979
913DCA_se2_ag3_m_01944.2014They'll be as large as he is, you know.945.4794
914DCA_int_01945.6972Mm-hm.946.0380
915DCA_se2_ag3_m_01946.3409I take him by my father's place in Vienna,947.9882
917 948.3270you know.948.5826 
918DCA_int_01948.7909Mm.949.0938
919DCA_se2_ag3_m_01949.6997And uh, f- like the field rats,950.9635
921 951.1008[he catching] them.951.6735 
922DCA_int_01951.1244[Mm-hm.]951.4984
923 952.1753Gee.952.4451
924DCA_se2_ag3_m_01952.9326Rats running around the house, he catch them.954.2580
925DCA_int_01954.4358<laugh>954.9234
926DCA_se2_ag3_m_01954.8477But he won't bother no cats.956.2014
927DCA_int_01956.7505That's funny.957.2996
928DCA_se2_ag3_m_01957.4794He won't bother no cats.958.5350
929DCA_int_01959.0341Mm.959.1127
931 960.9471That's interesting. How long have you had him?962.6724 
932DCA_se2_ag3_m_01963.3516About two and a half years.964.9326
933DCA_int_01965.1172Mm-hm.965.4012
935 965.8272Is he a pretty good watch dog or?967.3210 
936DCA_se2_ag3_m_01967.5009Oh it's [nice. It nice.]968.6464
937DCA_int_01967.8788[Hopefully /??/.]968.7032
938DCA_se2_ag3_m_01968.9872He won't- he won't let anybody in the house970.7764
940 971.0083/unlessing/ he know you, you know?971.9598 
941DCA_int_01972.1065Mm-hm.972.4378
942DCA_se2_ag3_m_01972.7151Then if he know you,973.4085
944 973.5577you know, once he uh,974.4712 
946 974.7032go to the door, he'll greet you at the door. He greet everybody at the door, you know.977.5290 
947DCA_int_01977.6474Mm-hm.977.9361
948DCA_se2_ag3_m_01978.0592Once he know you won't say nothing, just go and sit down.980.0192
949DCA_int_01980.3860Mm-hm.980.8073
951 981.9007<ts>982.0948 
953 982.2510Good.982.5729 
955 984.0666Uh, do you remember back when you were in elementary school what you studied?987.3516 
957 989.6237What the subjects were that they taught.991.4961 
958DCA_se2_ag3_m_01992.6085Well,992.9304
960 999.3090what grade?999.9528 
961DCA_int_011001.0131Why don't we say about fourth grade.1002.6650
962DCA_se2_ag3_m_011003.0465In the fourth grade?1003.8511
964 1005.6972Yeah, well I mean, we had1006.9799 
966 1007.1503uh-1007.6474 
968 1008.1992well I liked Arithmetic anyway, and they had Arithmetic.1010.9493 
970 1011.6309Adding1012.1043 
971DCA_int_011012.9089Mm-hm.1013.2308
972DCA_se2_ag3_m_011013.5006and subtraction in the fourth grade.1015.3920
974 1017.4652And um,1018.2415 
976 1019.9361Reading.1020.5372 
978 1024.0901Just certain things of- of this nature.1026.2532 
979DCA_int_011026.5589Mm-hm.1026.9329
981 1028.5091Um,1028.8404 
983 1029.4132what did the kids do when you were a kid about that age after school was out every day?1033.7659 
984DCA_se2_ag3_m_011033.8653Fight.1034.2440
985DCA_int_011034.8262Fight.1035.1197
986DCA_se2_ag3_m_011035.1244<laugh>1036.0711
988 1036.4451Fight1036.9515 
990 1037.0888every day.1038.0686 
992 1038.1964Every day.1038.8477 
993DCA_int_011039.1127Mm-hm.1039.4725
994DCA_se2_ag3_m_011039.7659I don't know. It look like it wasn't no school unless you got in a fight1042.0191
996 1042.2889and go home dirty.1043.0557 
997DCA_int_011043.5196[<laugh>]1044.6366
998DCA_se2_ag3_m_011043.8604[You know, no kidding.]1044.6820
999DCA_int_011045.5293And what did the parents say when you [came home] dirty?1047.7587
1000DCA_se2_ag3_m_011047.0487[Mm-]1047.3043
1001 1048.6060Well,1049.0320
1003 1049.6095well during this time, you know,1050.7490 
1005 1051.2216like I'm thirty two.1052.2061 
1007 1052.6795Well during this time uh, clothes kind of hard to get, you know.1055.6048 
1008DCA_int_011055.5716Mm-hm.1055.8272
1009 1056.0592Mm-hm.1056.3384
1010DCA_se2_ag3_m_011057.2453And lunch was kind of hard to come by, you [know.]1059.4936
1011DCA_int_011059.2854[Mm-hm.]1059.6924
1012DCA_se2_ag3_m_011060.6060And you come home, and you uh,1061.7894
1014 1061.9834a little dirty,1062.6224 
1016 1063.1121a little bloody,1063.8322 
1018 1064.7268your mother want to know where you been, what you been doing, did you go to school today, you know.1068.4615 
1020 1069.4062You tell her yeah, you went to school,1070.6085 
1022 1071.7208but one of the kids jumped on you.1073.0320 
1024 1073.8509And she said, well did you fight him back?1075.2405 
1026 1075.8937Yeah, I fought him back.1076.7032 
1028 1077.3090Well okay. Go on, wash up, come and get your dinner.1079.0509 
1029DCA_int_011079.2687<laugh>1079.7468
1030DCA_se2_ag3_m_011079.6994You know?1080.1302
1031DCA_int_011080.4500[Mm-hm.]1080.8477
1032DCA_se2_ag3_m_011080.6536[If you] say, no, you know,1081.6949
1033 1081.9363I was scared, or too many of 'em,1082.9966
1035 1083.1481then you get another whipping you know, [for not taking /up] for/ yourself, yeah.1086.1444 
1036DCA_int_011084.3977[<laugh>]1085.2213
1038 1086.0524Mm-hm.1086.3668 
1039DCA_se2_ag3_m_011087.0417Well I mean,1087.4441
1041 1088.3292I don't know if you know anything about Georgetown or not,1090.4025 
1043 1090.6060but Georgetown was one of the-1092.0118 
1045 1093.0701I don't know, one of the roughest places1095.0605 
1047 1095.4700that-1095.6593 
1049 1095.8676well, Georgetown and Foggy Bottom are the-1097.7278 
1051 1097.9030of Washington,1098.6035 
1052DCA_int_011098.8382Mm-hm.1099.1837
1053DCA_se2_ag3_m_011099.2642is- was1099.7896
1055 1099.9363one of the roughest1100.9588 
1057 1101.8913neighborhoods that you could come out of.1103.3160 
1058DCA_int_011103.5953Hm.1103.7468
1059DCA_se2_ag3_m_011104.1708And uh, and most like you1105.9221
1061 1106.4949live by the sword, you die by the sword, or something of [this nature], but1109.5764 
1062DCA_int_011108.8427[Mm-hm.]1109.1922
1063DCA_se2_ag3_m_011110.2086you had to be strong1111.5908
1065 1112.1825in order to survive in those places. Like you go to school,1114.8474 
1067 1115.4012and you have your lunch. Well you have1116.6725 
1069 1116.8240peanut butter and jelly or something like this, take 'em to school with you.1119.5078 
1071 1120.2699And uh,1120.8663 
1073 1121.1030you couldn't protect yourself,1122.3668 
1075 1122.5589then one of the larger kids, he'll come and take your lunch,1124.8925 
1077 1125.2759you know?1125.5126 
1079 1126.1658And if you fight him back,1127.5277 
1081 1128.1254then they wouldn't bother you because they say, well he got heart, you know.1131.0534 
1083 1131.6546But if you wouldn't fight back, you never had no lunch, you know.1134.0497 
1084DCA_int_011134.0308<laugh>1134.3858
1085DCA_se2_ag3_m_011134.8997And uh,1135.3825
1087 1135.6855like in the-1136.6180 
1089 1137.5126When you want to go to a movie,1138.7149 
1091 1139.6568like on a Saturday. That's the main time we go to movie. The movie cost you about eleven cent to go to movie.1144.1090 
1092DCA_int_011144.6202Hm.1144.8190
1093DCA_se2_ag3_m_011144.9515You go to a movie and have your little eleven cent-1146.6631
1095 1146.7909maybe fifteen,1147.7186 
1097 1147.8606twenty cent1148.2914 
1099 1148.8262cause you wanna buy popcorn.1149.9765 
1101 1150.6486So you go to a movie,1151.5196 
1103 1151.8604and you got your eleven cent. You plan on going in.1153.6902 
1105 1154.1635Then you got the fellas on the outside of the movie.1155.8155 
1107 1156.5871They'll take your money from you,1157.6297 
1109 1158.0639you know.1158.3432 
1111 1158.9802So you had to fight.1159.9553 
1113 1160.0641[You had to] fight.1160.7931 
1114DCA_int_011160.0831[Mm-hm.]1160.4570
1115DCA_se2_ag3_m_011160.9304It wasn't a thing like,1161.8960
1117 1162.2652you could compromise or anything like that, you had to fight.1164.5798 
1118DCA_int_011164.7672[Mm-hm.]1165.1317
1119DCA_se2_ag3_m_011164.9281[/If you/]1165.2595
1120 1165.4204fight. You was a coward or something like that, [you know.]1167.7445
1121DCA_int_011167.3611[Mm-hm.]1167.7398
1122 1168.8616What would happen- Uh, what other things did fights start about?1171.5766
1124 1172.0878Besides lunches and [movies] /like that/.1174.4127 
1125DCA_se2_ag3_m_011173.5268[Well],1173.9575
1126 1175.5338do you mean in elementary school?1176.9376
1127DCA_int_011177.0749Yeah.1177.3683
1128DCA_se2_ag3_m_011178.2630Well,1178.6416
1130 1179.3611usually start about games.1180.9941 
1132 1181.8509Like you have a game,1182.8240 
1134 1183.2027playing ball at twelve o'clock.1184.7363 
1136 1185.5978You have a ball game,1186.7291 
1138 1187.0604you know,1187.3018 
1140 1187.7326for the kids /out [there]/.1188.7861 
1141DCA_int_011188.5258[Mm-hm.]1188.8098
1142DCA_se2_ag3_m_011189.3494<ts>1189.4677
1144 1189.5766And one of the kids may say,1191.3469 
1146 1191.5646well,1191.8865 
1148 1192.2652you didn't hit the ball right, or1193.7184 
1150 1194.0828you was out,1194.7490 
1152 1194.8997and you say you wasn't out.1196.0168 
1154 1196.5612Say well, okay, we'll see you after school.1198.2415 
1155DCA_int_011198.4735<laugh>1198.8332
1156DCA_se2_ag3_m_011198.8758You know, and we meet after school and we fight, you know.1201.6665
1158 1201.7849That's all it was to it. You had to fight.1203.5220 
1159DCA_int_011203.7208Mm.1203.9481
1161 1205.4817Did the older kids fight too?1206.9187 
1163 1207.1506In teen age?1208.0263 
1164DCA_se2_ag3_m_011208.1588No, the teenagers1209.6262
1166 1209.8013during that particular time,1210.8947 
1168 1211.8367they fought1212.4473 
1170 1212.5873amongst themselves,1213.5671 
1172 1213.9127but the younger kids, you know,1215.2238 
1174 1215.8108they fought.1216.6344 
1176 1217.0462But the older kids would make sure it wasn't no1218.9565 
1178 1219.6949larger kids jump in it1220.9966 
1180 1221.1765while you was fighting1222.0522 
1182 1222.4971unless y'all just had a free for all,1224.2864 
1183DCA_int_011224.5731Mm-hm.1224.8713
1184DCA_se2_ag3_m_011224.8950then the older kids just sit back and laugh and [watch it, you know what I mean?]1227.9670
1185DCA_int_011226.9067[<laugh>]1227.9859
1186 1228.3835[Mm.]1228.5776
1187DCA_se2_ag3_m_011228.4025[You] may have about1229.1030
1188 1229.8604ten or twelve of y'all be out there fighting,1231.3399
1190 1231.6665you know?1232.0012 
1192 1232.4996Best you could get was a bust open lip, your nose bleed, you know?1235.1172 
1193DCA_int_011235.0983Mm.1235.3539
1194DCA_se2_ag3_m_011236.0382But it wasn't nothing serious.1237.0559
1195DCA_int_011237.1080Mm-hm.1237.4535
1197 1238.5422What about today, do you think1239.9102 
1199 1240.9705kids fight as much or less1242.4216 
1201 1242.6157in elementary school [or]1244.0215 
1202DCA_se2_ag3_m_011243.7517[Well],1244.1683
1203DCA_int_011244.6606don't you know?1245.2419
1204DCA_se2_ag3_m_011245.4226now1245.9528
1206 1246.7575I believe- I don't think that the kids fight1248.8382 
1208 1249.2784half as much1250.0594 
1210 1250.2251as they did during that particular time1251.9623 
1212 1252.9468for the simp- simple reason that um,1254.7490 
1214 1255.4630they have other things on their mind1256.9730 
1216 1257.1008such as robbing banks,1258.6107 
1217DCA_int_011258.6486<laugh>1259.1409
1218DCA_se2_ag3_m_011259.3397uh,1259.7610
1220 1260.0430shooting one another,1261.0796 
1222 1261.7375you know, and things like this. But1263.1055 
1224 1263.4605during the time I was coming up I mean,1264.9752 
1226 1266.0544people could believe in going out and1267.5955 
1228 1267.8275throwing up your little fists and fight1269.4132 
1230 1269.6072somebody, but now they don't go for this, you know.1272.0734 
1232 1272.7388You got mostly teenagers out there- You walk down the street, seen a kid the other day, you know.1276.2226 
1233DCA_int_011276.5492Mm-hm.1276.8474
1234DCA_se2_ag3_m_011276.8616He couldn't been more than about fourteen years old.1278.7490
1236 1279.2926He had a pistol in his belt big as he was.1280.9493 
1237DCA_int_011281.3658<exhale>1281.6025
1238DCA_se2_ag3_m_011281.9907You know?1282.3551
1240 1282.7101So how you- you know, you- wasn't those kind of things, you know.1285.1222 
1241DCA_int_011285.1175Mm-hm.1285.5577
1242DCA_se2_ag3_m_011285.9505See our town is so corrupted with this kind of thing, and then you try to figure out- Say well,1289.8888
1244 1290.6536like my little cousin,1291.6003 
1246 1292.1020you know,1292.3671 
1248 1293.2664I keep on him so tight, you know, he gonna have time to do it so much. And I'm'a bring him down here so he can1297.4725 
1250 1297.6192interview.1298.1446 
1252 1298.5138But uh,1298.9351 
1254 1299.1197he's-1299.5220 
1256 1300.4735he's a little wild.1301.2592 
1258 1301.7278He'll fight1302.3574 
1260 1302.5778but they got a lot of activity for the younger kids now.1304.9540 
1261DCA_int_011305.3564Mm.1305.5930
1262DCA_se2_ag3_m_011305.5836Look like the uh-1306.6533
1263 1307.6075the new thing-1308.4737
1265 1308.6915uh,1309.1317 
1267 1309.5577the community houses,1310.9588 
1269 1311.6593you know, things [like that.]1312.5823 
1270DCA_int_011312.1800[Mm-hm.]1312.6533
1271DCA_se2_ag3_m_011313.2261And then you catch the younger kid1314.7490
1273 1315.4583around1316.0783 
1275 1317.3185seven,1317.8061 
1277 1318.1611eight,1318.4498 
1279 1319.0131ten,1319.4722 
1281 1319.9057twelve,1320.4284 
1283 1321.1743twelve years old.1322.0073 
1285 1322.3624Maybe thirteen.1323.2759 
1287 1324.2226They don't do1324.8237 
1289 1324.9894half as much fighting1326.0402 
1291 1326.3459as they did1326.8571 
1293 1327.0559when I was a kid.1327.8985 
1294DCA_int_011328.3292Mm-hm.1328.6416
1295DCA_se2_ag3_m_011328.7221You know.1328.9730
1297 1329.6498Cause they have so much other things going for 'em now.1331.7326 
1298DCA_int_011331.9598Mm-hm.1332.2627
1300 1332.8903Good.1333.1601 
1302 1334.0121Did you ever have a teacher that hollered a lot when you were in school?1336.6107 
1303DCA_se2_ag3_m_011337.3965Yeah, Miss /RD-NAME-2/.1338.3668
1304DCA_int_011338.7246<laugh>1339.3731
1305DCA_se2_ag3_m_011339.3589[<laugh>]1339.9884
1306DCA_int_011339.6997[What] about her?1340.4570
1307DCA_se2_ag3_m_011341.2570Well,1341.5930
1309 1342.3409<ts> I used to like to play with the girls you know.1343.9172 
1311 1345.1411Always liked to play with the girls. I had a little girl-1347.1386 
1313 1347.3374Her name was /RD-NAME-2/- Sat in front of me all the time.1349.3965 
1315 1350.0686Almost married her too.1350.9281 
1316DCA_int_011351.2831/Mm./1351.5009
1317DCA_se2_ag3_m_011351.5056W-1351.8748
1318DCA_int_011352.0405<laugh>1352.2914
1319DCA_se2_ag3_m_011352.5375She had this long hair. You know, real long hair.1354.8190
1321 1355.5101And she used to keep it open,1356.6820 
1323 1357.1459and I used to take1357.6523 
1325 1358.0168things and put it in her hair,1359.0866 
1326DCA_int_011359.3848<laugh>1359.7788
1327DCA_se2_ag3_m_011359.6972you know.1360.0333
1328 1360.5492When uh,1361.0604
1330 1361.2403she get up,1361.6237 
1332 1361.8083you know, go somewhere, you know,1362.9329 
1334 1363.3873her hair be all tangled up.1364.5943 
1336 1364.9351Or /?/ if I tie her hair to the seat,1366.5445 
1338 1366.6865when she get up,1367.1787 
1340 1367.3397yank her head back you know.1368.5422 
1341DCA_int_011368.4642<laugh>1369.2358
1342DCA_se2_ag3_m_011369.2358And this teacher named Miss /RD-NAME-2/, she used to have a fit.1371.5078
1343 1371.7398Hollering and screaming and1373.1267
1344DCA_int_011373.0651<laugh>1373.3255
1345DCA_se2_ag3_m_011373.3065get me out of there, you know,1374.2059
1346 1374.6725call me up the front all the time.1376.0357
1347DCA_int_011376.4381<laugh>1377.0629
1348DCA_se2_ag3_m_011377.2901We really something.1378.0427
1349DCA_int_011378.6817Did you think it was fair at the time or did you think she was picking on you?1381.7801
1350DCA_se2_ag3_m_011381.9363Nah,1382.4002
1352 1382.6937I didn't mind it.1383.5220 
1354 1383.6877I didn't mind it.1384.3693 
1355DCA_int_011384.6865[Mm-hm.]1384.9231
1356DCA_se2_ag3_m_011384.7859[Because] I knew I was doing wrong,1386.1349
1357DCA_int_011386.3317Mm-hm.1386.5968
1358DCA_se2_ag3_m_011386.5778I just wanted to have fun.1387.5435
1359DCA_int_011387.8180Mm-hm.1388.1162
1360DCA_se2_ag3_m_011388.1304You know.1388.4381
1361DCA_int_011388.3955<laugh> What did the girl think about that?1391.0036
1362DCA_se2_ag3_m_011391.0131She didn't [think it was too funny.]1392.4311
1363DCA_int_011391.4344[Did she hate you?] [<laugh>]1393.3904
1364DCA_se2_ag3_m_011392.6110[She didn't think it was] too funny.1393.8653
1365 1394.4854But after we got into high school, I mean, you know, it was different [anyway.]1397.1882
1366DCA_int_011396.9752[Yeah.]1397.2261
1367 1398.3033You didn't dump things in her hair [then], <laugh> [did you?]1400.5754
1368DCA_se2_ag3_m_011399.4299[Mm-hm.]1399.8511
1370 1400.0073[Naw.]1400.6558 
1371DCA_int_011400.8830<laugh>1401.3374
1373 1402.4214Okay, uh, do you remember a-1404.2911 
1375 1404.7909one teacher that was the best teacher you ever had?1407.3180 
1376DCA_se2_ag3_m_011410.6867Yes, Miss /RD-NAME-3/.1411.7896
1378 1413.5031Real nice.1414.0853 
1379DCA_int_011414.4782Mm-hm.1414.8048
1381 1415.0178How come she was so nice?1416.1728 
1382DCA_se2_ag3_m_011416.1850I don't know. Seem like she took uh,1417.7565
1384 1418.0499special interest in-1419.3706 
1386 1419.9954in all the kids.1421.0036 
1388 1421.2024She was take 'em to their- to her house.1423.0654 
1389DCA_int_011423.8937Oh really?1424.3908
1390DCA_se2_ag3_m_011424.3008She was-1424.6984
1391 1425.0156Yeah.1425.3611
1393 1425.6309Take 'em- [Well-]1426.3741 
1394DCA_int_011426.0285[After] school out?1426.8853
1395DCA_se2_ag3_m_011426.8805Mm-hm.1427.2355
1396DCA_int_011427.6947Well that's [/unusual/.]1428.6508
1397DCA_se2_ag3_m_011428.0950[Take 'em to house],1428.8003
1398 1429.8085give 'em dinner,1430.4570
1399DCA_int_011431.2238Hm.1431.3990
1400DCA_se2_ag3_m_011432.0143take 'em to games,1433.1030
1402 1433.4675you know, baseball games.1434.6840 
1404 1435.6239On her spare time, with her own money,1437.5031 
1406 1437.6593you know.1437.9244 
1408 1439.3255Buy [you things.]1440.1964 
1409DCA_int_011439.5290[That's unusual.]1440.4804
1410DCA_se2_ag3_m_011440.5494Yeah.1440.8997
1412 1441.0417Well I mean, she was-1441.7754 
1414 1442.0026t- had-1442.5044 
1416 1442.6558it had several teachers in the school like that, but they had1445.0225 
1418 1445.7704the certain kids that they would take, you know.1447.3636 
1419DCA_int_011447.3163Mm-hm.1447.5671
1420DCA_se2_ag3_m_011448.0215Well look like she would take the worst kids you could find.1450.5208
1422 1451.0462She [wouldn't take the good ones.] Naw, she get the worst one she could find.1453.7106 
1423DCA_int_011451.2403[You're kidding.]1451.8414
1424 1454.1541Hm.1454.3908
1425DCA_se2_ag3_m_011454.6795And uh,1455.1197
1427 1456.3362well now I know why,1457.4864 
1429 1457.8793but during that time I didn't, you know.1459.3447 
1430DCA_int_011459.2595Mm-hm.1459.5624
1431DCA_se2_ag3_m_011460.2582She was using- This-1461.4984
1433 1461.6948She's just /using/ uh, just enough sight1463.8793 
1435 1464.0923on the kid1464.7490 
1437 1465.1033to win him.1465.5766 
1439 1466.0783And she would win him.1466.8546 
1440DCA_int_011467.2996Hm.1467.4605
1441DCA_se2_ag3_m_011467.8203Anything she asked any kid to do they would do it, you know?1470.1254
1443 1470.6962Like she ask the good little kids,1472.1067 
1445 1472.7221and they refuse,1473.7146 
1447 1474.8995watch out buddy.1475.7468 
1448DCA_int_011475.9152[<laugh>]1476.4122
1449DCA_se2_ag3_m_011476.2370[When] you got out of [school, you got it, you know what I mean?]1478.2109
1450DCA_int_011476.8571[<laugh>]1478.7205
1451DCA_se2_ag3_m_011478.3624[From the] bigger and badder children, [you know.]1480.2037
1452DCA_int_011479.9291[Uh-huh.]1480.4498
1453 1480.7480She had a [system working.]1482.1870
1454DCA_se2_ag3_m_011481.2829[Yeah she was real] nice.1482.5988
1455 1482.8442Real nice.1483.2216
1456DCA_int_011483.8985Good.1484.1635
1458 1485.4132That's great.1485.9386 
1460 1487.8083Um,1488.1660 
1462 1489.9221did you ever have a teacher that you j- you couldn't stand?1492.3599 
1464 1494.6488That you remember.1495.5198 
1465DCA_se2_ag3_m_011499.5622<ts> Yeah, Mr. /RD-NAME-1/.1500.4615
1467 1500.9045Sheet Metal teacher.1501.9742 
1468DCA_int_011502.7931What was wrong with him?1503.6309
1469DCA_se2_ag3_m_011503.9859I don't know. He-1504.7291
1471 1506.4169he was alright1507.4393 
1473 1507.5861in his fashion but he was just a little too old fashion. He wanted everything to be like um, it was1514.1020 
1475 1514.3576when he was a kid.1515.2948 
1477 1515.8865Even though, I mean, he was-1517.2545 
1479 1518.4548He would1518.7956 
1481 1519.2879teach you right.1520.1020 
1483 1521.2901Like uh, one time I was in the metal shop, and uh,1523.8604 
1485 1524.3412I was making something- I forgot what it was- I was making something.1527.5173 
1487 1528.3504And he come in,1529.0557 
1489 1529.7562and I'm putting1530.2911 
1491 1530.7104everything in to this1531.6760 
1493 1531.7754particular item.1532.5801 
1495 1533.3280And he come in hollering and screaming and snatched the thing a-1536.2532 
1497 1536.3932from the lathe, slammed it in the floor, told me, that's wrong! And I don't want it done like that no more, you know.1541.9740 
1499 1542.6346And [this] look like I just1543.7139 
1500DCA_int_011542.8335[Hm.]1543.0323
1501DCA_se2_ag3_m_011543.8795create a hate for him right away, you know.1545.4889
1503 1546.1895I wouldn't never go to him anymore.1547.3255 
1504DCA_int_011548.0382Hm.1548.2276
1505DCA_se2_ag3_m_011548.1944I just failed,1548.7758
1506 1548.9329you know.1549.0938
1508 1549.4346I wouldn't go there.1549.9837 
1510 1550.6085Because the man, you know-1551.6546 
1512 1552.3362Well during that time, you know, like going to junior high school and high school, I mean,1555.6571 
1514 1556.7978there's only so much you c- cause you stay tense, you know.1559.0604 
1515DCA_int_011559.2450Mm-hm.1559.6379
1516DCA_se2_ag3_m_011559.6379That's when you begin to sure enough, stretch out with the girls. You start thinking about girls more so then1564.3835
1517 1564.5729you know.1564.8805
1519 1565.8178And I couldn't stand that,1566.8097 
1521 1567.0796and the fellas around there you know.1568.3576 
1523 1568.5517I had a couple more-1569.3043 
1525 1569.4510My buddies, you know.1570.3031 
1527 1570.7953We both-1571.2166 
1529 1571.3255all of us just stopped going there1572.6272 
1531 1572.9897all together you know.1573.7707 
1533 1574.3434/unintelligible/ you know, we failed.1575.5173 
1535 1576.0333But we made up in other subjects, you know.1577.6190 
1536DCA_int_011577.6237Mm-hm.1577.8698
1538 1580.0736Yeah, that's kind of-1580.7268 
1540 1581.7161kind of mean to rip [something up that you're] working on hard.1584.1695 
1541DCA_se2_ag3_m_011582.5113[Yeah.]1583.4060
1542DCA_int_011586.1257Uh,1586.4902
1544 1586.7174were you ever in a class where the kids played a trick on the teacher?1589.5764 
1545DCA_se2_ag3_m_011593.7303Yeah.1594.0759
1547 1595.7136Yeah, I was in with the trick.1597.1506 
1548DCA_int_011597.7707Hm.1597.9269
1550 1598.3434What'd y'all do?1599.0629 
1551DCA_se2_ag3_m_011598.9966We cut school one day1600.0995
1552 1601.5480and went down the creek.1602.3175
1554 1603.5955So we caught this black snake1604.8168 
1556 1606.0049and put him in a bag,1606.9184 
1558 1607.5196you know?1607.8262 
1559DCA_int_011607.9625Mm-hm.1608.2654
1560DCA_se2_ag3_m_011608.5636So we get to school,1609.5293
1562 1610.2961the teacher got,1610.9872 
1564 1611.5315you know-1611.8439 
1566 1612.0948We got-1612.4593 
1568 1612.6155We cut school-1613.3207 
1570 1613.4912said we cut1614.1160 
1572 1614.5400three periods.1615.3778 
1574 1616.3718So we just got-1616.8972 
1576 1618.3267/??/ went to homeroom.1619.4864 
1578 1620.2844We cut the first,1621.3967 
1580 1622.0263second,1622.5517 
1582 1624.1563and lunch was third, and we cut the fourth. We come back.1626.5372 
1584 1627.5151So we decided we going to uh,1629.4463 
1586 1629.7398put it on our homeroom teacher so uh,1631.4249 
1588 1632.1538went back s- and got1633.2121 
1590 1633.3458/for/ the homeroom teacher /?/ /RD-NAME-2/.1634.9919 
1592 1636.0664And uh,1636.5066 
1594 1637.3255she got this bag that she carry you know, with her all the time.1640.1872 
1596 1640.6274You know, keep this bag with her.1641.6567 
1598 1642.4403So we go up there and take this bag when she out to the principal's office for something. One of the kids had got1646.3340 
1600 1646.6606real mean in the back1647.6782 
1602 1647.7966just to get her out there you know.1648.7953 
1604 1649.4675Then she left,1649.9266 
1606 1650.4500and we go up the front,1651.1033 
1608 1651.4204take this bag with the snake in it you know,1652.9635 
1610 1653.1292stick it in her bag1654.1847 
1612 1654.8474and go back.1655.5196 
1613DCA_int_011655.8130[<laugh>]1656.4473
1614DCA_se2_ag3_m_011655.8462[Wait.]1656.0876
1615 1657.0133Come back.1657.4393
1617 1657.7423I put a little girl up there1658.7505 
1619 1659.8723and told her to say,1660.5113 
1621 1660.9941teacher, <laugh>1661.7562 
1623 1662.4074say uh, one of the boys in the room1664.3860 
1625 1665.1339put something out- looked in your bag.1666.8663 
1627 1666.9847Yeah, say, looked in your bag. [We don't] know if she took anything out or not,1670.0263 
1628DCA_int_011668.1660[Hm.]1668.3554
1629DCA_se2_ag3_m_011670.3482but he ran back out the door,1671.5741
1631 1672.2605you know.1672.5918 
1632DCA_int_011672.5303[<laugh>]1674.2343
1633DCA_se2_ag3_m_011673.5764[So she say,]1674.1870
1634 1674.3526what?1674.7490
1636 1675.2784So she run over there- She musta keep her money in there or something, you know.1677.6356 
1638 1677.9812So she run over to her bag,1679.1598 
1640 1679.9882open it up,1680.3716 
1642 1681.0133pulled out the paper bag,1682.1020 
1644 1682.5280runs /??/.1683.2286 
1645DCA_int_011684.7953<laugh>1686.3601
1647 1686.9991[/inaudible/]1688.4807 
1648DCA_se2_ag3_m_011687.1979[Pulls out the snake and get to] screaming and [hollering and running, you know.]1690.7291
1649DCA_int_011689.2286[<laugh>]1691.8726
1650DCA_se2_ag3_m_011691.8320And we died laughing. [We laughed and laughed] and laughed.1695.0582
1651DCA_int_011693.1979[Oh that's funny.]1694.3340
1652 1695.3516Ah, that's one of the best tricks I ever heard of. [<laugh>]1698.0024
1653DCA_se2_ag3_m_011697.3018[Yeah, that was] something else.1698.6583
1654DCA_int_011698.5968You had that all planned out to the [detail.]1701.0108
1655DCA_se2_ag3_m_011700.4286[Had it all] planned.1701.7824
1656 1702.3409And the snake wasn't dead. It was just almost dead because we was gonna1705.1317
1658 1705.2595kill him all together, you know.1706.4097 
1659DCA_int_011706.5233Mm-hm.1706.8357
1660DCA_se2_ag3_m_011706.7978Decided not to kill him cause we make so much of a mess you know.1709.4202
1661DCA_int_011709.5338Mm-hm.1709.8982
1663 1710.9944/?/1711.2879 
1665 1711.7754S- So,1712.4570 
1667 1712.6227did she holler at you when she got [/mad/?]1714.4025 
1668DCA_se2_ag3_m_011714.0049[Huh?]1714.3646
1669 1714.7243Did she holler?1715.3255
1670DCA_int_011715.4817[<laugh>]1716.7490
1671DCA_se2_ag3_m_011715.6994[She had to take her home.] [<laugh>]1717.1175
1672DCA_int_011716.9660[Really?]1717.4346
1673DCA_se2_ag3_m_011717.5813[Yes, she went] in hysterics.1719.2522
1674DCA_int_011717.8180[<laugh>]1718.2866
1675 1719.5031<laugh>1720.6865
1676DCA_se2_ag3_m_011720.8995She was screaming.1721.6521
1677DCA_int_011721.8063Sh- she say anything the next day or?1723.5671
1678DCA_se2_ag3_m_011723.5671Hm?1723.8369
1679DCA_int_011724.1209When she came back, did she say anything?1725.8629
1680DCA_se2_ag3_m_011725.9575She just looked.1726.5161
1682 1727.6142Just looked around the room [you know, just] looked.1729.3305 
1683DCA_int_011728.6583[<laugh>]1729.1080
1684 1730.3813I guess she figured she never would [find out.]1732.1137
1685DCA_se2_ag3_m_011731.7019[Mm-mm.]1732.3883
1686 1732.5492Wasn't about to tell nobody, on nobody [/unintelligible/.]1734.0923
1687DCA_int_011734.0099[Mm-hm.]1734.2607
1688 1736.1683<ts> Ah, that's great.1737.0603
1690 1738.3551What was your concept for that1739.6095 
1692 1740.1613at that time?1740.9755 
1694 1741.1837Or even now.1742.0736 
1696 1742.6558What was your concept of a bad kid?1744.5729 
1697DCA_se2_ag3_m_011747.3210Well during that time1748.2393
1699 1749.6262I didn't1750.0380 
1701 1750.5539think it was a bad kid.1751.6850 
1702DCA_int_011752.0903Hm.1752.2607
1703DCA_se2_ag3_m_011753.6287/?/-1754.1257
1705 1754.2914Of an an- I mean, you know, like, you have1756.4971 
1707 1758.8855some of the kids1759.7328 
1709 1759.8795that was better than the other ones,1761.7492 
1711 1762.6486but I didn't see-1763.6048 
1713 1763.9530Well I know a1764.6725 
1715 1764.7672couple of cases where1766.0121 
1717 1766.5470he had a couple of kids that was going to school with me that1768.3551 
1719 1768.5871wound up going to farming school, you know,1770.7435 
1721 1771.6145because they uh,1772.5896 
1723 1772.7505wouldn't come to school1773.9197 
1724DCA_int_011774.0427Mm-hm.1774.3741
1725DCA_se2_ag3_m_011774.2936or they was out stealing or something like this, you know.1777.3163
1726DCA_int_011777.6571Well what about a kid who thought,1779.0771
1728 1780.3173you know- who thought, I'm bad, you know, and1782.5494 
1730 1783.0370always proud of being-1784.3517 
1731DCA_se2_ag3_m_011785.0108Oh we had a couple of [those. We had] a couple of those.1787.0793
1732DCA_int_011786.0001[/??/]1786.4593
1733 1787.5669I [don't mean] bad in the sense of doing1789.4157
1734DCA_se2_ag3_m_011787.6738[Yeah.]1787.9341
1735DCA_int_011789.9884illegal things [necessarily, but]1791.9670
1736DCA_se2_ag3_m_011791.2096[No, this- this] stuff that I'm talking about. They [had a-]1793.3728
1737DCA_int_011793.2213[people] that really thought they were-1794.6272
1738DCA_se2_ag3_m_011794.9897Yeah, one fella-1795.9032
1740 1796.4381Well I won't call his last name but his name was /RD-NAME-1/.1798.8893 
1741DCA_int_011799.0604Mm-hm.1799.3776
1742DCA_se2_ag3_m_011800.5920And while- When he was younger, he carried a crutch on his shoulder, you know /?/.1804.3315
1744 1804.7149Then when he got in junior high school,1806.2532 
1746 1806.8193his chest got a little larger,1808.1588 
1747DCA_int_011809.3422Mm.1809.5552
1748DCA_se2_ag3_m_011809.4984and he started carrying more weight because he was larger than the rest of the kids you know.1812.7490
1749 1813.5577And he just go around bullying,1815.0771
1751 1815.2617you know.1815.6537 
1752DCA_int_011815.6167Mm-hm.1815.9575
1753DCA_se2_ag3_m_011816.6344When the kids say something he didn't like, he slap 'em down.1819.0417
1755 1819.2642You know, the kids scared to fight him back.1820.7694 
1757 1821.0913[You know.]1821.3800 
1758DCA_int_011821.0913[Hm.]1821.3800
1759DCA_se2_ag3_m_011822.5303One day he slapped one of my friends,1824.1917
1761 1825.9221and my friend say, well we're gonna have to do something about this cause the dude slapped me a couple of times /himself/ you know what I'm saying?1830.7909 
1763 1831.4062Said we were gonna have to do something about this fella, you know.1833.4368 
1765 1833.9007I said, yeah, we're gonna have to do something because he really taking advantage of us.1837.1222 
1766DCA_int_011837.3068Mm-hm.1837.6902
1767DCA_se2_ag3_m_011838.0736Take our lunch when he felt like it,1839.7871
1769 1840.1327you know.1840.4309 
1771 1841.2119We're going in the cafeteria, you know.1842.9802 
1773 1843.5624Like you buy your lunch and sit down at the table, and he come past and he feel that he wanna sandwich or your soup,1847.9550 
1775 1848.3648he just take it.1848.9613 
1777 1849.4299You know?1849.6665 
1778DCA_int_011849.8322Mm-hm.1850.1493
1779DCA_se2_ag3_m_011850.2298Who gonna say something to him, big as he was, you know?1852.3078
1780DCA_int_011852.3173Mm-hm.1852.6060
1781DCA_se2_ag3_m_011852.7291He was a brute.1853.2971
1783 1854.5305So we decided we gonna get our heads together, so we got our heads together, about twelve of us.1858.3835 
1785 1858.6249You know?1858.9515 
1787 1860.0903Say, well, we'll wait for /RD-NAME-1/ this evening.1862.1304 
1789 1863.5268You think we can handle him? You know?1864.9137 
1791 1865.6142We got to handle [him.]1866.6015 
1792DCA_int_011866.4094[<laugh>]1867.1885
1793DCA_se2_ag3_m_011867.6571Okay, what you gonna do?1868.7126
1795 1869.4368Well we got some sticks you know.1870.8001 
1797 1871.5527We got a bunch of sticks1872.5778 
1799 1872.7199and waited for him.1873.3967 
1801 1874.0831He come out there, the school that day.1875.5930 
1803 1875.7966We was in junior high school. He come out the school.1877.5906 
1805 1878.7009One of the little kids over there, know what I'm saying?1880.3340 
1807 1880.9162Hey /RD-NAME-1/.1881.6120 
1809 1882.4640Why'd you take my lunch the other day?1883.7278 
1811 1884.7435He said, what you trying to be smart or something with me, boy?1886.7552 
1812DCA_int_011886.9351[<laugh>]1887.7208
1813DCA_se2_ag3_m_011887.2806[You know?]1887.6735
1814 1888.4072Then all of us started getting around him.1889.7846
1816 1890.0714He was trying to figure out how he was gonna get- And we wore him out. You get what I'm saying?1893.0156 
1818 1893.6640He ran so fast, I don't know, the police was- You know how you have police directing traffic up [there on the] corner?1898.1493 
1819DCA_int_011897.5293[Uh-huh.]1897.8748
1820DCA_se2_ag3_m_011898.8168He ran flat past the police. The [police try to catch] up with him, and we tryna catch up with him.1902.4473
1821DCA_int_011900.1611[<laugh>]1900.9752
1822DCA_se2_ag3_m_011903.1790Finally uh, the next day- they caught a bunch of us-1905.2191
1824 1905.8203asked us why we did, you know. We told 'em,1907.7799 
1826 1907.9172[you know?]1908.2722 
1827DCA_int_011907.9314[Mm-hm.]1908.3100
1828DCA_se2_ag3_m_011908.7199So the next day in school,1909.8843
1830 1910.1115theys-1910.4050 
1832 1910.5328they uh, expelled him from school.1911.9149 
1833DCA_int_011912.1611[Mm-hm.]1912.5871
1834DCA_se2_ag3_m_011912.3031[You know], for this.1912.8663
1835 1913.4722Because I mean, you know,1914.1992
1837 1914.3364there- it- it wasn't a school for him because he was just taking advantage of all the kids, you know.1918.4403 
1838DCA_int_011918.3693Mm-hm.1918.7811
1839DCA_se2_ag3_m_011919.0746That was about the /onliest/ bully I ever known of.1921.3967
1840DCA_int_011921.3873Mm-hm.1921.7612
1841 1923.2522Uh, when you were1923.9386
1843 1924.7433a teenager especially,1926.1065 
1845 1926.3648was there a group of kids that you used to always hang around?1929.0629 
1846DCA_se2_ag3_m_011931.8083Well, we had a club.1932.7490
1847DCA_int_011933.6192Oh really?1934.0831
1848DCA_se2_ag3_m_011934.3056Mm-hm.1934.6369
1850 1935.3848The Rag Mops.1936.1611 
1851DCA_int_011936.5823Mm-hm.1936.9657
1852DCA_se2_ag3_m_011937.8651[It was a-]1938.2390
1853DCA_int_011937.8773[Well who] was in it? Can you still call their first names?1940.3415
1854DCA_se2_ag3_m_011941.0582Well,1941.4416
1856 1941.8676who was it? It was /RD-NAME-2/,1943.0983 
1858 1944.8240one fella name /RD-NAME-1/, he got killed in Korea.1947.6120 
1860 1948.8285Um,1949.2403 
1862 1950.5447<ts>1950.6962 
1864 1950.8950um,1951.6429 
1866 1952.2866/RD-NAME-3/,1953.1481 
1868 1953.5504he got killed in Korea.1954.6865 
1870 1956.0856Um,1956.7104 
1872 1960.3315/RD-NAME-2/,1960.7811 
1874 1961.3018j- just /ranned/ off.1962.3696 
1876 1964.1115Um,1964.8688 
1878 1965.2901oh it was- it w-1966.1185 
1880 1966.5681it- I couldn't possibly call all the names cause it was around seventy,1969.5955 
1882 1969.8606[eighty of us.]1970.5044 
1883DCA_int_011969.8843[Oh], it's a big group.1971.2712
1884DCA_se2_ag3_m_011971.3706Yes, and we uh-1972.4971
1886 1972.9089Well what it was, w-1973.8930 
1888 1974.2276was1974.5542 
1890 1974.7009start off as- just as a-1976.0925 
1892 1976.6227a club, just wanted to do nothing but just mess around fight.1979.5243 
1894 1980.1518[You know], we fight,1981.0465 
1895DCA_int_011980.1613[/Mm-hm./]1980.4595
1896DCA_se2_ag3_m_011981.2926go to parties, turn 'em out,1982.4428
1898 1982.6322things like that.1983.2191 
1899DCA_int_011983.4368Mm-hm.1983.8250
1900DCA_se2_ag3_m_011983.9812And then uh, we had uh,1984.9279
1902 1986.2654the /Columbia/ Lodge,1987.4583 
1904 1987.7375which was the /Elk's Home/ on Third and Rhode Island Avenue.1990.0285 
1905DCA_int_011990.1563Mm-hm.1990.5303
1906DCA_se2_ag3_m_011990.7054They took an interest in it, just- you know,1992.3006
1908 1992.7577because they say, well, why let a1994.2061 
1910 1994.6558bunch of1994.9966 
1912 1996.2510half way decent kids go completely bad?1998.7490 
1913DCA_int_011999.0985Mm-hm.1999.4204
1914DCA_se2_ag3_m_011999.6192So they took us under their wing,2001.0534
1916 2001.9197and made uh,2002.7859 
1918 2002.9421Junior Elks out of us.2004.2260 
1919DCA_int_012004.4595Hm.2004.6110
1920DCA_se2_ag3_m_012005.2453And we um,2006.0831
1922 2006.5729formed a baseball team,2007.9386 
1924 2008.7575a boxing team,2009.7657 
1926 2010.2702swimming team, a track team,2011.6239 
1928 2012.2772and we used to compete2013.1008 
1930 2013.2522with uh,2013.7256 
1932 2013.9055other Elks2014.5729 
1934 2014.7717in different parts of the country you know.2016.3242 
1935DCA_int_012016.4426Hm.2016.6583
1936DCA_se2_ag3_m_012017.1317And uh,2017.6476
1938 2017.9600North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia,2019.8061 
1940 2020.1658Mississippi, Alabama.2021.4418 
1941DCA_int_012021.9077You get to travel [/inaudible/] or do they all come here?2024.4192
1942DCA_se2_ag3_m_012022.6346[All around, yeah.]2023.7801
1943 2024.6890No we'd-2025.2286
1945 2025.3706we would go to these places and they come here to see, and uh-2027.8462 
1947 2028.4879uh, way we got the money, we uh,2030.1257 
1949 2030.3292ran raffles,2031.3611 
1951 2032.0664you know,2032.3551 
1953 2033.1172and had dances.2034.2485 
1955 2034.8098Well we had- have a dance and if another group have a dance, we go to their group, turned out, they come to our [dance, you know (laughing).]2040.4341 
1956DCA_int_012039.9077[<laugh>]2040.7490
1957DCA_se2_ag3_m_012040.7767/You know what I'm saying./2041.3068
1959 2041.6381But we used to uh-2042.4760 
1961 2042.6842used to make real good money,2043.8960 
1963 2044.4924you know for this-2045.1219 
1965 2045.3255these particular activities that we had2047.0086 
1967 2047.5103made enough money to buy uniforms.2049.2286 
1969 2050.2131Made enough money buy uh,2051.3113 
1971 2051.7874boxing trunks, boxing gloves,2053.3257 
1973 2054.4239baseball,2055.2286 
1975 2056.3457y- everything, you know.2057.4107 
1976DCA_int_012057.4864Mm-hm.2057.7752
1977DCA_se2_ag3_m_012058.0876For our trips,2058.9045
1979 2059.0512we bought a bus,2059.8559 
1981 2060.2914you know.2060.5470 
1982DCA_int_012060.6606No [kidding.]2061.1632
1983DCA_se2_ag3_m_012060.9919[Yeah], we bought a bus, everything, you know.2062.9468
1984 2064.0876Stayed together a good little while2065.4578
1986 2065.6902then it-2065.9600 
1988 2066.2535it was uh- war started breaking most of us up, you know.2068.8853 
1990 2070.2654Cause uh, I think the youngest one was around seventeen.2073.1860 
1991DCA_int_012073.6640Mm-hm.2074.1279
1993 2075.2261Did any of those kids speak um,2076.8864 
1995 2077.1967any foreign languages or2078.4286 
1997 2078.8688just English?2079.5788 
1998DCA_se2_ag3_m_012080.0238Well,2080.4214
2000 2081.3965I-2081.9645 
2002 2082.1376Let's see.2082.9187 
2004 2084.9777Well one of the fella was-2086.0380 
2006 2086.1563was speaks French. I was speaking Spanish.2088.1302 
2008 2089.2121And that's about the onliest one, just the two of [us.]2091.2522 
2009DCA_int_012091.0392[Mm-hm.]2091.2428
2010 2092.3267How'd you learn Spanish?2093.3918
2011DCA_se2_ag3_m_012093.9834I learned Spanish from Puerto Ricans.2095.3589
2012DCA_int_012095.6807Oh really?2096.2061
2013DCA_se2_ag3_m_012096.3198Yeah.2096.5517
2014DCA_int_012097.6167Were there Puerto Rican kids in the club?2099.1367
2015DCA_se2_ag3_m_012099.4060Yes, had two.2100.2769
2016DCA_int_012100.7435Mm-hm.2101.0370
2018 2102.3860Were there any other white kids in the-2103.6546 
2019DCA_se2_ag3_m_012104.1705No,2104.6723
2021 2104.9279just the two Puerto Rican boy.2106.1775 
2022DCA_int_012106.3175Mm-hm.2106.6663
2023DCA_se2_ag3_m_012107.1317They- /they're's the only/ one that had enough heart to come in it.2109.0676
2025 2109.3422Well we try to get some white kids in it,2110.9799 
2027 2111.1740but they [wouldn't-]2111.7089 
2028DCA_int_012111.5054[Too] tough.2112.2343
2029DCA_se2_ag3_m_012112.2607I don't know, they-2112.9234
2031 2113.2926No, it wasn't that.2114.2251 
2033 2114.7458Well,2115.0724 
2035 2115.2333cause I had a2115.7445 
2037 2115.8723very good friend of mine. His name is /RD-NAME-2/.2117.7562 
2039 2118.5163He own one of the2119.1033 
2041 2119.2926biggest uh, stores now in Baltimore, [clothing store.]2122.2841 
2042DCA_int_012121.8676[Hm.]2122.0995
2043 2122.6581/?/2122.9657
2044DCA_se2_ag3_m_012122.9089Well we used to run around together even though-2124.7490
2045 2125.3920Before they even had this um,2126.8310
2047 2127.0534racial thing, you know,2128.1611 
2048DCA_int_012128.2917Mm-hm.2128.6061
2049DCA_se2_ag3_m_012128.5634/selling 'em/ or something like this.2129.8604
2050 2130.5116Well I used to go whites- white Boy's Club,2132.9966
2051DCA_int_012133.6167Hm.2133.8676
2052DCA_se2_ag3_m_012133.8913you know.2134.1611
2054 2134.7953And it wasn't nothing said because /RD-NAME-2/ and a few more of his friends, you understand,2138.5564 
2056 2139.1197Italian friend,2139.8297 
2058 2140.3504they was real rough, you know. They'll fight in a minute.2142.2532 
2060 2142.8808Onliest colored one I ever went to the /Lado/ Theater,2145.0156 
2061DCA_int_012145.3611Hm.2145.5836
2062DCA_se2_ag3_m_012145.6451which was on Wisconsin Avenue, you know.2147.2923
2063DCA_int_012147.4391Mm-hm.2147.7562
2064DCA_se2_ag3_m_012148.0619Nobody say nothing because we'll burn down the theater.2150.0499
2065DCA_int_012150.2346<laugh>2150.7931
2066DCA_se2_ag3_m_012150.7126Yeah.2151.1055
2067DCA_int_012151.6120Mm-hm. They knew better.2152.6723
2068DCA_se2_ag3_m_012152.7007Mm-hm.2153.1882
2070 2153.5953And /RD-NAME-2/ the onliest one that coulda got in the club, that really- 2156.1588 
2072 2156.3198He say, nah.2157.0014 
2074 2157.2428He had other things on his mind.2158.4167 
2075DCA_int_012158.7480Mm-hm.2159.0273
2076DCA_se2_ag3_m_012159.0415But he moved out, you know.2160.0308
2077DCA_int_012160.3270Mm-hm.2160.7435
2079 2161.8369Was there one guy in the- in your club that was the leader?2164.4309 
2080DCA_se2_ag3_m_012166.3290Well,2166.6508
2082 2167.4583you had a Exalted Ruler and you had a Junior Exalted Ruler.2169.9433 
2084 2170.9752Well uh,2171.5148 
2086 2171.9456Exalter Ruler which was- His name was /RD-NAME-2/.2173.9837 
2087DCA_int_012174.7079Mm-hm.2175.0298
2088DCA_se2_ag3_m_012175.2191He was Exalted R-2176.0238
2090 2176.5255He was a Junior Exalted Ruler, and I was Esteemed Leading Knight, which was second in command, you know, like a captain and things like that.2183.2971 
2092 2184.0166And uh, well we had2185.0512 
2094 2185.1553these other2185.6760 
2096 2185.9127kids under us in2187.1528 
2098 2187.3185different2187.6688 
2100 2188.0380office, you know.2188.8616 
2101DCA_int_012188.9563Mm-hm.2189.3397
2102DCA_se2_ag3_m_012189.6852Little breakdown.2190.3905
2103DCA_int_012190.7246Mm-hm.2191.0086
2105 2191.8369What was there about you two guys do you think that you got those positions?2195.4438 
2106DCA_se2_ag3_m_012195.9030I don't know. Looks seem as though we had2197.7659
2108 2198.7268more on the ball2200.0285 
2110 2200.6817somewhat2201.1882 
2112 2201.9787than the rest of the kids did.2203.1269 
2114 2203.3021I mean it's not that uh-2204.5422 
2116 2204.7884cause2205.1055 
2118 2205.2806/RD-NAME-2/,2205.6640 
2120 2205.9812he couldn't fight at all.2207.1219 
2121DCA_int_012207.5622Really?2207.9124
2122DCA_se2_ag3_m_012208.1282No [but he had a whole lots]2209.8180
2123DCA_int_012208.6441[/He still is the leader?/]2209.7754
2124DCA_se2_ag3_m_012210.0452upstairs, you know.2210.9398
2125DCA_int_012210.8310Mm-hm.2211.1623
2126DCA_se2_ag3_m_012211.7729Well I could handle myself,2213.0746
2128 2213.9550but I2214.2864 
2130 2214.4500also like2215.4157 
2132 2215.7423you know,2216.1067 
2134 2217.9528to stop and think before I did anything, [you know.]2220.5278 
2135DCA_int_012220.3100[Mm-hm.]2220.7490
2136DCA_se2_ag3_m_012221.1601And that's the way that went down.2222.2440
2137DCA_int_012222.4428Mm-hm.2222.7931
2139 2223.0866Good.2223.4274 
2141 2224.1942What about if a new kid wanted to join?2226.1254 
2143 2226.5494What did he have to do?2227.4630 
2144DCA_se2_ag3_m_012228.3008Well,2228.5943
2146 2228.7978he had to um,2229.5930 
2148 2230.4309come and be initiated,2231.6426 
2150 2231.7846and if he couldn't uh, stand up to initiation, then he couldn't get in the club anyway.2235.0345 
2152 2235.5315And [initiation was pretty rough.]2237.1882 
2153DCA_int_012235.8250[/Was it more of the Elks with you or?/]2237.6947
2154DCA_se2_ag3_m_012238.1775Yeah, huh? That's2238.9897
2156 2239.1175be2239.3920 
2158 2239.7091when- before we went in-2241.0014 
2160 2241.1860and if a kid wanted to go in-2241.9575 
2162 2242.3693Well we used to choose our own kids to bring in the club.2244.2958 
2163DCA_int_012244.5778Mm-hm.2244.9849
2164DCA_se2_ag3_m_012245.0417You know,2245.2311
2166 2245.5245neighborhood kids2246.2866 
2168 2246.8452because uh, like,2247.7019 
2170 2248.5729we have all the kids from Georgetown,2250.1234 
2172 2250.6346all hooked up in this club. At first2252.1209 
2173DCA_int_012252.3292Mm-hm.2252.6274
2174DCA_se2_ag3_m_012252.6748was about twenty of 'em.2253.7540
2175DCA_int_012254.4261[Did they have to] do initiation or2256.0970
2176DCA_se2_ag3_m_012254.5445[And these-]2254.9799
2177 2256.1755No, not [then.]2256.9565
2178DCA_int_012256.5920just /??/?2257.2263
2179DCA_se2_ag3_m_012257.3683Yeah.2257.8227
2181 2257.9221Because uh, we was just had this one tight group from Georgetown2261.1977 
2183 2261.8888that would partic- You know, like uh, the Foggy Bottom which was across the bridge,2265.5552 
2184DCA_int_012265.7682Mm-hm.2266.1327
2185DCA_se2_ag3_m_012266.0759and uh, if some-2267.1219
2186 2267.3113one of them fellas over there messing with one of our fellas than we have a little war.2270.6511
2187DCA_int_012271.0250Mm-hm.2271.3564
2188DCA_se2_ag3_m_012271.3658But uh,2271.8250
2190 2272.0711we start easing away from that because we start bringing 'em in2274.8477 
2192 2275.0039from different section of city.2276.6038 
2194 2277.1244And we wind up bringing all 'em in.2278.6912 
2196 2279.1835Reason we did this is so we could go travel anywhere we want to [travel.]2282.5375 
2197DCA_int_012282.2772[Mm-hm.]2282.6653
2198DCA_se2_ag3_m_012282.6653/RD-NAME-2/ and I, we sat down and we thought about this thing you know.2284.8474
2199DCA_int_012284.9894Mm-hm.2285.3065
2200DCA_se2_ag3_m_012285.4580Why just be uh, at one place,2287.3589
2202 2287.5529and we can't move in other parts of the city.2289.4030 
2203DCA_int_012289.5836Mm-hm.2289.9102
2204DCA_se2_ag3_m_012290.0285Why not bring in some of the kids out of the other parts of the section of the city?2293.1601
2206 2293.3589Then we be able to travel everywhere we want to go.2295.2806 
2208 2295.7587Say [true.]2296.3409 
2209DCA_int_012295.9859[/?/]2296.3267
2210DCA_se2_ag3_m_012296.7338[So we decided and went out] and started recruiting, you know. We started recruiting the baddest kids we could find2301.1102
2211DCA_int_012296.7527[That's /inaudible/]2297.7657
2212DCA_se2_ag3_m_012301.2286in the other neighborhoods,2302.4451
2213DCA_int_012302.5634Mm-hm.2302.8095
2214DCA_se2_ag3_m_012302.7906you know?2303.0225
2215 2303.4722Northeast, Southeast, Southwest, you know.2305.7517
2217 2306.3245And we'd bring them in the club.2307.3671 
2219 2308.0948Then they bring a couple of kids in the club, you know.2309.8414 
2221 2310.3337Then the club started getting larger and larger.2312.0439 
2223 2312.3671Then we [got so large],2313.4368 
2224DCA_int_012312.6558[/inaudible/]2313.7966
2225DCA_se2_ag3_m_012313.7634N- Yeah.2314.3078
2226DCA_int_012314.8190What about this initiation? What was that like?2316.9423
2227DCA_se2_ag3_m_012318.1020After we got in the-2319.0676
2229 2319.1576in the uh, Elks?2320.0427 
2230DCA_int_012320.2841Mm-hm.2320.6013
2231DCA_se2_ag3_m_012321.0509Well they had a little initiation set up for us, you know.2323.5245
2233 2323.7233Well not uh,2324.3056 
2235 2324.4476big initiation, but the little initiation. Uh,2326.6249 
2237 2327.5858/well now/2327.9266 
2239 2328.1376/they used to/ talk about riding a donkey,2329.6050 
2241 2330.2014you know,2330.4760 
2243 2330.9824where they blindfold you,2332.1090 
2245 2332.3220take off all your clothes2333.6332 
2247 2334.1254and you go on through this line,2335.3778 
2249 2335.6760you know.2336.0215 
2251 2336.4854Everybody got a paddle and-2337.6924 
2253 2337.8865[you know,]2338.3599 
2254DCA_int_012337.9197[<laugh>]2338.3315
2255 2338.5776Hm.2338.7764
2256DCA_se2_ag3_m_012338.8237and they wear you out, you know, you going through,2340.9234
2258 2341.3119and after they wear you out, they get you always through the end of the line, they got some uh-2344.6064 
2260 2345.4584some kind of chemical stuff all mixed up, which is real bitter,2348.9449 
2262 2349.6029and tell you to drink it.2350.5306 
2263DCA_int_012350.9282<laugh>2351.4110
2264DCA_se2_ag3_m_012350.9614[You]2351.2075
2266 2351.4016drink it. You know, if you like it, you spit it out. If you didn't like it, you spit it out. If you like it, drink it- swallow it.2356.4312 
2267 2356.9046Nobody swallowed that [stuff. <laugh> You know?]2358.7297
2268DCA_int_012357.7073[<laugh>]2359.4160
2269DCA_se2_ag3_m_012359.5959Then uh, they lay you down.2361.0159
2271 2361.8017He didn't know where he was at,2362.6679 
2273 2362.8146you know.2363.1696 
2275 2363.4205All of a sudden you hear some click.2364.7439 
2277 2366.2207Then you snatch this thing off your head, you know. You wanna know where you at.2368.5732 
2279 2368.7862You push up,2369.4868 
2281 2370.3321feel all this velvet2371.7758 
2283 2372.0172feeling stuff.2372.7793 
2285 2373.7733Wanna know what's happening.2374.5922 
2287 2375.2312Finally opened up this box,2376.6965 
2289 2376.9522and you laying in a casket.2378.0598 
2290DCA_int_012378.3201[<laugh>] Gee.2379.7733
2291DCA_se2_ag3_m_012378.4858[<laugh> Yeah.]2379.2053
2292 2379.9295It was weird though. It was good fun but it was weird.2382.3617
2293DCA_int_012382.6729Yeah that's something.2383.5060
2295 2385.1201If you could uh- You're a little young to ask this to but if you could uh,2388.7486 
2297 2388.9380do it over again,2389.7616 
2299 2390.3817what would you wanna be? Would you change anything2392.5070 
2301 2393.2832in your past life?2394.3415 
2303 2395.6906Would you do it all again?2396.6846 
2304DCA_se2_ag3_m_012398.8998Well I don't know.2399.6004
2306 2401.3971I don't know.2402.0314 
2308 2402.6657Cause I mean, where I come from, you know,2404.3224 
2310 2404.9140it was2405.3353 
2312 2406.3794really nice.2406.9995 
2314 2407.6054I mean it was a rough2408.7083 
2316 2408.9402and a rundown neighborhood. It was a ghetto.2411.0087 
2318 2411.6146I mean don't nobody wanna be from the ghetto,2413.2030 
2320 2413.3214nobody.2413.6953 
2321DCA_int_012414.0408Mm-hm.2414.3485
2322DCA_se2_ag3_m_012414.3391But I mean, if I had it all to do over again, and if I was from the ghetto, I'd just be from the ghetto.2418.8291
2323 2419.2740Because I had more fun in the ghetto I guess.2421.5082
2325 2421.6644[You know, and] there probably kids2423.0466 
2326DCA_int_012421.7685[Mm-hm.]2422.1283
2327DCA_se2_ag3_m_012423.3448would- /from out/ the ghetto /woulda had/.2424.8149
2328DCA_int_012425.0610[Mm-hm.]2425.4586
2329DCA_se2_ag3_m_012425.3498[Like] we used to go uh,2426.4432
2330 2427.1911fishing.2427.6691
2332 2428.5496When I was a kid, I would go fishing2429.8560 
2334 2430.2753in the canal.2430.9427 
2336 2431.9604And uh,2432.4811 
2338 2432.8455we would catch fish with the line.2434.5070 
2340 2434.8194Then we decided we got tired of fishing, and we go swimming.2437.2267 
2342 2437.9462Then after we got tired of swimming,2439.3757 
2344 2439.9532we wanted2440.2135 
2346 2440.3555catch some fish for the-2441.3069 
2348 2441.4536everybody in the neighborhood,2442.6019 
2350 2443.0137we go down and open the locks of the canal up-2444.7651 
2352 2444.9307open 'em up- open the whole thing up,2446.6726 
2354 2446.9614and go down and take sticks and bust the fishes in the head.2449.1320 
2356 2449.2788Get baskets and baskets of fish and give 'em away to everybody.2451.9342 
2358 2452.1283Anybody wanted they could have 'em,2453.3353 
2359DCA_int_012453.5720Hm.2453.8039
2360DCA_se2_ag3_m_012453.7613you know?2454.0027
2361 2455.3166Oh like uh,2456.2207
2363 2457.2857people we'd go around, you know, a bunch of kids, you know, find out2460.0832 
2365 2460.4125who don't have coal in their house,2462.1828 
2367 2463.1011uh,2463.4467 
2369 2464.5212who, you know,2465.2454 
2371 2465.5531getting kind of ready to get put out2467.3308 
2373 2467.5580or something like that,2468.3154 
2375 2468.6420well uh, all the grownups, they usually look out for one another.2471.1933 
2376DCA_int_012471.4138Mm-hm.2471.7593
2377DCA_se2_ag3_m_012472.1664/Like uh/, on that street,2473.1131
2379 2473.9651and we'd go down the railroad tracks, you know,2475.7827 
2381 2476.5070take these uh, little wagons down there.2478.2015 
2383 2478.7202Steal coal,2479.6716 
2385 2480.2065you know, /bushel/ baskets of coal,2481.6076 
2387 2482.1236bring it back up,2482.7720 
2389 2482.9614give it to the people who don't have coal, you know.2484.7676 
2391 2485.8988And everybody just like one family.2487.7070 
2393 2487.8537[Well the]2488.1425 
2394DCA_int_012487.9390[Mm-hm.]2488.3981
2395DCA_se2_ag3_m_012488.2987street was only2489.0844
2396 2489.6051a block long,2490.3889
2398 2491.0279reached from M Street to K Street,2492.5142 
2400 2492.7272you know.2493.0917 
2402 2493.6360Was-2493.9390 
2404 2494.1425was colored and white2495.0655 
2406 2495.2880on both sides of street, you know, [other than] the gas house.2497.5438 
2407DCA_int_012496.6918[Hm.]2496.9001
2408DCA_se2_ag3_m_012498.4479And everybody just live,2499.8348
2410 2499.9863you know,2500.2324 
2412 2500.5874just as one family.2501.5483 
2413DCA_int_012502.0291Mm-hm.2502.3794
2414DCA_se2_ag3_m_012502.7912I mean it was the ghetto but2504.1876
2416 2505.5745you can have fun in the ghetto [too, you know.]2507.2075 
2417DCA_int_012506.5338[Yeah. Sure.]2507.4773
2418 2508.6539Well that sounds like /we've been/-2509.8988
2420 2510.9307Did you uh-2511.5603 
2422 2511.9437Well, let me ask you this one. If um,2513.7897 
2424 2513.9223you had all the money you wanted2515.2740 
2426 2516.1213and2516.4101 
2428 2516.5284if you ran out of that you knew you could get more, what would you do with it?2519.9081 
2429DCA_se2_ag3_m_012522.4527If I had all the money I want?2523.6407
2431 2528.1450What would I do with it?2529.1153 
2432DCA_int_012529.4183Mm-hm.2529.7354
2433DCA_se2_ag3_m_012530.5543Hm.2530.9424
2435 2532.1995That's pretty good.2532.8670 
2436DCA_int_012533.1036<laugh>2534.1213
2437DCA_se2_ag3_m_012535.0775Number one, I'd a buy me a house.2536.6300
2439 2538.2279I'd definitely buy me a house and furnish it out nice. And I'd buy it in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods I possibly could get it in.2544.9474 
2441 2548.5922<ts> And I'd buy um2549.6241 
2443 2550.8102all the clothes and things that I2552.6183 
2445 2553.0585really wanted2553.7070 
2447 2554.3034but never ab-2554.8620 
2449 2555.1223could afford to buy.2555.9316 
2451 2557.5107And my children, I'd buy them everything that they really want.2560.2798 
2453 2561.7329And I'd bring my wife from Alabama back to Washington.2564.1686 
2455 2565.9153And2566.4218 
2457 2568.4315well quite naturally, you know, I'd have a automobile.2570.2112 
2458DCA_int_012570.6893Hm.2570.8881
2459DCA_se2_ag3_m_012571.2526Uh, not no Cadillac now.2572.5259
2461 2572.9188Not no Cadillac.2573.7593 
2463 2574.3652But a automobile.2575.2693 
2465 2577.3473And that'd be about all I want.2578.7010 
2466DCA_int_012578.9850Mm-hm.2579.3306
2468 2580.1569What if there was more left? What would you do with that?2582.2489 
2470 2583.0633[More money] left.2583.8253 
2471DCA_se2_ag3_m_012583.1674[Well-]2583.3757
2472 2584.8052/Well I had/ more money left, well I had2586.7107
2474 2586.8954you know,2587.1888 
2476 2587.7000my people is comfortable and not myself.2590.1851 
2478 2591.2832Then I go out2591.8560 
2480 2592.5687like around to these uh,2594.1497 
2482 2594.8313different community houses,2596.0904 
2484 2596.4975and try to figure out new programs for the children, you know,2598.9853 
2486 2599.4918where I could use the money to help them.2601.0349 
2487DCA_int_012601.4135Mm-hm.2601.7685
2488DCA_se2_ag3_m_012603.1081You know,2603.4726
2490 2603.7073cause to me- you- we-2604.4125 
2492 2604.8007our city now is so corrupted, you2606.7461 
2494 2608.5590have so many people from the outside.2610.3415 
2496 2611.1273I don't really believe that2612.3911 
2498 2613.4751like the crime in our city, I don't believe that it's all our children fault.2617.1604 
2499DCA_int_012617.2740Mm.2617.5580
2500DCA_se2_ag3_m_012617.9746I mean I think you have around uh- From the District2620.9920
2502 2621.4251itself, I think it's about2622.6918 
2504 2623.3979twenty percent2624.1505 
2506 2624.3154of the people in the District2625.6076 
2508 2625.8735is actually was born and raised in Washington, about twenty percent.2628.7161 
2510 2628.9102Other [eighty percent] I think is from outer c- other cities and things like that.2632.3825 
2511DCA_int_012629.3267[Hm.]2629.5539
2512 2632.5766Mm-hm.2632.9411
2514 2633.9304I'm sure that's true.2634.9277 
2516 2637.1518Uh, what if you could be dictator of this country?2639.5564 
2518 2640.0818Uh, what would you do2641.1279 
2520 2641.8758as dictator?2642.7420 
2522 2643.7246And I would say president, but the president [has to answer] to Congress, but you don't have to answer to anybody.2648.2639 
2523DCA_se2_ag3_m_012645.4192[Yeah, well-]2646.0108
2524DCA_int_012648.9740You're a dictator. What would you do?2650.6192
2525DCA_se2_ag3_m_012653.8048If I was a dictator?2654.6237
2527 2668.3683If I was a dictator, like um-2669.7363 
2529 2671.2652and I could2671.7559 
2531 2672.5338get the things that I was uh,2674.4583 
2533 2675.4996campaigning for, you mean?2676.7540 
2535 2679.2106Well,2679.5163 
2537 2679.8524all these houses,2680.8937 
2539 2683.4782like um,2684.1977 
2541 2684.9929all messed up and things like this,2686.5340 
2543 2687.4097I would have 'em all tore down,2689.1137 
2545 2689.6675but I would have a place for the families to go in first.2692.4676 
2546DCA_int_012692.5908Mm-hm.2692.9079
2547DCA_se2_ag3_m_012693.2109I would have all these houses built back up2695.3504
2549 2695.8237and put the same people2697.1633 
2551 2697.3175back in these houses2698.6902 
2553 2698.9221at the same rent2700.1576 
2555 2700.4226level2700.9102 
2557 2701.7575where they could survive.2702.7704 
2559 2704.2453And2704.8985 
2561 2705.6132I would definitely have a home rule2707.0427 
2562DCA_int_012707.7811[Mm-hm.]2708.1598
2563DCA_se2_ag3_m_012707.8900[where the people] could uh,2708.8888
2564 2709.0524govern themself, you know.2710.4271
2566 2710.6571Have war leaders and things like that.2712.3138 
2568 2714.5764And it wouldn't be, you know, a thing like um-2716.3683 
2570 2719.2131Let me say for instance, say,2720.1977 
2572 2720.7610you go to a store2721.7909 
2574 2722.6097and you2723.0310 
2576 2723.5564order something and2724.6782 
2578 2724.9954you know, you don't have enough money to pay for it. You done order all this food up, you know, and you don't have enough money to pay for it.2730.3990 
2580 2731.4687I think that a person- I would have it so uh, they'll write out2734.5955 
2582 2734.7044their name, their address, and their phone number,2736.9386 
2584 2737.6439and pay 'em at a later date.2738.9219 
2585DCA_int_012739.1586Mm-hm.2739.5704
2586DCA_se2_ag3_m_012739.5400You know.2739.8997
2587 2740.7233I know that uh,2741.6653
2589 2741.9304people in the store probably thinks that, well, we gonna lose. Well they wouldn't lose2745.1680 
2591 2745.3790because I have a fund set aside just for this thing,2747.7931 
2592DCA_int_012747.8972Hm.2748.0913
2593DCA_se2_ag3_m_012748.0582if the people wouldn't pay 'em back.2749.2037
2594DCA_int_012749.4356Mm-hm.2749.8143
2596 2751.0524Good.2751.3222 
2598 2752.8985Uh, what do you do on a typical day2754.8865 
2600 2755.5113on the job?2756.2781 
2602 2757.4595Like uh, are you work- driving the airport cab [/around/?]2760.0392 
2603DCA_se2_ag3_m_012759.7032[Mm-hm.]2760.1150
2604DCA_int_012760.9859Well what do you do say from the time you start til the time you finish?2764.3731
2605DCA_se2_ag3_m_012765.7600[What I do?]2766.1292
2606DCA_int_012765.7836[/?/]2766.1102
2607 2766.3469Yeah, say,2766.9670
2609 2767.2179when you first get to work, what do you2768.9172 
2611 2769.0686now?2769.3242 
2613 2770.0465All through the day.2770.8511 
2614DCA_se2_ag3_m_012771.0641Oh, I drink coffee.2772.0392
2616 2773.9799I like music.2774.8698 
2618 2775.8098I have a portable radio I carry it out with me.2777.4525 
2619DCA_int_012777.8404Mm-hm.2778.1481
2620DCA_se2_ag3_m_012778.1954Listening to music.2779.0475
2622 2780.5338Until a passenger get in the car and then2781.9423 
2624 2782.1790cut it off,2782.7328 
2626 2782.8843and just take the passenger. Where you going? Or she going.2785.1090 
2627DCA_int_012785.4025Mm-hm.2785.8001
2628DCA_se2_ag3_m_012786.3349Then I may not dead head back. I mean not right away. I may go to uh-2789.9966
2630 2790.8439stop at a bar,2791.6155 
2632 2792.2403get me a beer.2792.9917 
2634 2793.5447Drink a beer.2794.1411 
2636 2794.3352Probably get a sandwich or something like that.2796.0156 
2637DCA_int_012796.2617Mm-hm.2796.5694
2638DCA_se2_ag3_m_012796.5646Then I2796.8629
2639 2797.3551go back to the work- back to the2799.0686
2641 2799.3980line.2799.8808 
2643 2800.6902Catch me another fare,2801.6984 
2645 2802.3516probably goes somewheres else, maybe go in to Dulles, maybe go in downtown Washington, maybe going to2806.4346 
2647 2806.7896back in Virginia or something like this.2808.3138 
2648DCA_int_012808.4368Mm-hm.2808.8865
2649DCA_se2_ag3_m_012809.8048But I enjoy my work,2810.7136
2651 2811.0071[you know.]2811.2627 
2652DCA_int_012811.1065[Mm-hm.]2811.3905
2653DCA_se2_ag3_m_012812.5387It's no uh,2813.2393
2655 2813.3766strain.2813.8601 
2656DCA_int_012814.5599You just,2814.9623
2658 2816.3302what- what- You're not- Are you on a salary or you just get2818.9316 
2660 2819.1730part of the fare that you2820.2996 
2661DCA_se2_ag3_m_012820.3327[Yeah, you get a- on a percentage.]2821.9563
2662DCA_int_012820.4132[/inaudible/.]2821.5350
2663 2822.1361/inaudible/2822.7895
2664DCA_se2_ag3_m_012822.8272Yes.2823.1775
2665DCA_int_012824.3399Good.2824.5955
2667 2825.5943Oh,2826.2144 
2669 2826.4889what does your family do on the holidays? Christmas especially.2829.8445 
2670DCA_se2_ag3_m_012830.7943/Well/ (mic distortion)2831.0263
2671DCA_int_012831.1541What's something like [/?/?]2832.1339
2672DCA_se2_ag3_m_012831.8830On Christmas, most of the time, see-2833.8474
2673 2834.5006Now, like my father,2835.7956
2675 2836.0796he living in V- Vienna, well that's only a short distance from here, [about nine] mile.2840.2497 
2676DCA_int_012839.4025[Mm-hm.]2839.7291
2677DCA_se2_ag3_m_012841.0970Well my brother2841.8287
2679 2842.4567he live in Philadelphia,2843.5138 
2681 2844.7019and it's kind of hard for him to get down here w- during the cold season,2847.5893 
2683 2848.3494and my cousin,2849.1777 
2685 2849.3150she live in uh,2850.1860 
2687 2850.3658California.2851.0191 
2689 2851.6723Well it's kind of difficult for her to [get here]2853.5873 
2690DCA_int_012853.2039[Mm-hm.]2853.5305
2691DCA_se2_ag3_m_012853.9518even though it's warm in California, but it's cold here.2856.0250
2692DCA_int_012856.2570Mm-hm.2856.5236
2693DCA_se2_ag3_m_012856.8913Kind of hard for them to get-2857.6533
2695 2858.0367Most of the time we get together is like um,2859.8738 
2697 2860.3920on the Fourth2860.9695 
2699 2861.8594or on Labor Day.2862.8297 
2701 2863.4356You know, that's the onliest time we really have for family reunion. We uh, have uh,2866.9505 
2703 2867.1825barbeque.2868.0392 
2705 2868.8676Uh, we uh,2869.8711 
2707 2870.1125drink a plenty beer2871.2485 
2709 2872.2453and things like- have a dance or something like that,2874.4652 
2711 2874.6262[you know.]2875.0427 
2712DCA_int_012874.7919[Nice.]2875.0853
2713DCA_se2_ag3_m_012875.8427That's main time we get together.2877.1088
2714DCA_int_012877.6867Mm-hm.2878.0891
2716 2878.3731Good.2878.5861 
2718 2880.5741Were you ever in a situation where you thought you might be killed?2883.0308 
2720 2883.3932That you might die or something?2884.7754 
2721DCA_se2_ag3_m_012884.9363Yeah.2885.3056
2723 2886.6072Yes.2886.9670 
2725 2888.4864Uh,2888.8083 
2727 2890.7091<snap>2890.8133 
2729 2891.1115I um-2891.5754 
2731 2893.3267I was hit in the stomach about-2894.8509 
2733 2895.5068a couple of years ago.2896.4157 
2735 2898.1954Not intentionally,2899.0569 
2737 2899.3646but in a, you know-2900.1929 
2739 2900.6284on a- one of these uh, type of jobs where2902.6760 
2741 2903.2866mess around with steel,2904.4416 
2742DCA_int_012904.9481Hm.2905.1469
2743DCA_se2_ag3_m_012905.3125and this2905.7622
2745 2905.9089bar hit me across my stomach.2907.2154 
2746DCA_int_012907.3128Oh.2907.5731
2747DCA_se2_ag3_m_012908.1601Okay.2908.5198
2749 2908.8275It almost knocked me off the building.2910.3232 
2751 2910.7303I worked for /RD-WORK-4/ during that time.2912.5764 
2753 2913.8903Well uh,2914.2595 
2755 2914.9127it didn't bother me too much at that time. You know, I just thought the blow but it wasn't nothing really.2919.1092 
2757 2919.5826So uh, that evening I got off,2921.0973 
2759 2921.4760and uh, s-2922.1718 
2761 2922.3895a bunch of us got2923.1327 
2763 2923.2368together cause it was on a pay day.2924.7515 
2765 2925.6820And we2926.2121 
2767 2926.5624drank some liquor,2927.3718 
2769 2927.7316drank some beer,2928.5126 
2771 2929.0711and I just told 'em that's when I'm going home.2930.6852 
2773 2931.0686You know, cause I- I don't know, I started feeling a nausea.2933.3150 
2775 2934.0203So I went home2934.6451 
2777 2935.6249and uh,2936.1740 
2779 2936.4296took a hot bath,2937.3270 
2781 2938.6855had dinner,2939.3482 
2783 2939.9966set down,2940.5220 
2785 2940.8392looked at television.2941.6297 
2787 2942.5811At night I went to bed.2943.5873 
2789 2943.7956Next morning I couldn't get out the bed.2945.2961 
2790DCA_int_012945.5848Gee.2945.8925
2791DCA_se2_ag3_m_012946.3090You know.2946.5836
2793 2946.8629I was just in2947.5871 
2795 2947.7385cramps and2948.4438 
2797 2948.6284binds and pain.2949.8477 
2799 2950.5293So uh,2951.1115 
2801 2951.9540/right/ when I did get me up,2953.0617 
2803 2953.2226you know, took me to the hospital.2954.5432 
2805 2955.0308I stayed on Critical there s- for almost five days.2957.6038 
2806DCA_int_012957.5138Ugh.2957.7458
2807DCA_se2_ag3_m_012958.4700Yeah.2958.7919
2809 2959.3409It was tubes down my nose you [know, drawing] the bruise blood out of my stomach and all of this kind of jazz, you know.2964.2694 
2810DCA_int_012961.0382[Uh-huh. /??/]2961.6678
2811 2964.5930Did it [really hurt?]2965.4877
2812DCA_se2_ag3_m_012964.9244[Not really-]2965.3835
2813 2965.7527Yeah, I was messed up.2967.0734
2814DCA_int_012967.4595Oh.2967.7199
2815DCA_se2_ag3_m_012967.7909You know, they was giving me this um,2969.3150
2817 2970.3611some type of fluid2971.5823 
2819 2972.6568in the feed. You know, couldn't eat anything.2974.4772 
2821 2975.4949You know.2975.7647 
2822DCA_int_012975.7884Hm.2975.9588
2823DCA_se2_ag3_m_012976.2806Then this tube down my nose, which is pump- working twenty four hours a day.2979.4899
2824DCA_int_012979.4737Gee. Were you in pain the whole time?2981.2866
2825DCA_se2_ag3_m_012981.2582The whole time.2981.8878
2826DCA_int_012982.2570Geez.2982.7682
2828 2983.6533But you came out of it [okay?]2984.9030 
2829DCA_se2_ag3_m_012984.6142[Yeah.] Yeah.2985.2796
2830 2985.8761Well I stayed in the hospital for about three and a half weeks,2988.0061
2832 2988.6072but I was staying on Critical that's f- about five days.2990.8036 
2833DCA_int_012990.9388Mm-hm.2991.2654
2834DCA_se2_ag3_m_012991.3128Mm.2991.5352
2835DCA_int_012991.8193Wow.2992.0417
2837 2993.4428Sometime people say that whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.2996.1645 
2838DCA_se2_ag3_m_012996.3586Mm-hm.2996.6900