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1DCA_int_010.5166Okay, for a starter2.0822
3 2.3275uh, could you tell me the kinds of games you used to play as a kid, say around6.0936 
5 6.9245ten or eleven /or eight/?8.2366 
6DCA_se3_ag1_m_0311.2590Well um12.1169
8 13.5931at that time I was living in Hyattsville, Maryland,15.7128 
10 15.8936and there were no other16.9284 
12 17.3814uh,17.7391 
14 18.8855kids around to uh,19.9434 
16 20.3281play with.20.7974 
17DCA_int_0121.3019Mm.21.4906
18DCA_se3_ag1_m_0321.4475So21.8284
19 22.1429mostly I22.9469
21 23.1200would read,23.7163 
23 25.3396and uh25.9436 
25 27.6122I can't28.0969 
27 28.8432particularly remember any30.0935 
29 30.2281games I would play at that time.31.7745 
30DCA_int_0132.0398Mm-hm.32.3954
31DCA_se3_ag1_m_0333.7547I had34.1741
33 34.4126lots of toys and, so I just played with those mostly.36.6822 
35 36.9198And read.37.4276 
36DCA_int_0138.7855Never played kick the can or tag or41.2302
38 41.6740/inaudible/?42.7969 
39DCA_se3_ag1_m_0343.2508Well in- in school, during the recess, I would play those45.8013
41 46.3860games but uh,47.3776 
43 48.1508outside of school, I49.2395 
45 50.1512didn't have much to do.50.9552 
46DCA_int_0152.1545So /what would/52.6353
48 53.0239/would/ you play during recess?54.3203 
50 55.0127Which games? Do you remember?56.4745 
51DCA_se3_ag1_m_0357.8315Um, we played58.8894
53 59.2472tag.59.7281 
55 60.7359When I was in junior high school, there was a62.4584 
57 62.9700modified version of tag we played,64.7588 
59 65.5821in which one person would be it,67.1507 
61 67.3892and then67.8393 
63 68.4817each person that he caught69.9935 
65 70.7975would uh,71.4130 
67 72.7777would also be it, so there would be74.1818 
69 74.2857first one, then two, and then say75.9552 
71 76.0668three and they would be, all be going after the others.78.3624 
73 79.2819And we'd have say twelve or thirteen kids playing to begin with.81.9430 
75 83.4740And the last person84.6742 
77 85.4975would85.7437 
79 85.8591always86.4438 
81 86.6198make a87.0430 
83 87.3200daring run for it,88.4663 
85 88.7202trying to run the gauntlet.89.5396 
86DCA_int_0189.9779Mm-hm.90.3701
88 92.1084/inaudible/95.2628 
90 96.0544How did the first ones97.1507 
92 97.7585to play tag get picked?99.4358 
94 100.0859First one it /inaudible/101.0151 
96 102.8432Do you remember?103.7703 
97DCA_se3_ag1_m_03104.6743Um105.1898
99 108.4471can't say that I do.109.5704 
100DCA_int_01110.7197Were there any rhymes or little poems /inaudible/?113.2135
101DCA_se3_ag1_m_03113.5010Not that I remember.114.3627
102DCA_int_01115.9950Sometimes you know kids will say one potato, two potato, three potato, four. Things like this? And the last one,121.3511
104 122.1355the last at the end of the rhyme will be the one who is chosen /inaudible/?126.0111 
106 126.9007You don't recall anything like that?128.1315 
107DCA_se3_ag1_m_03128.2933No, sir.128.7780
108DCA_int_01129.7705How about uh130.7091
110 131.8276hide and seek?132.7355 
111DCA_se3_ag1_m_03135.7813Well this a combination of tag and hide and seek138.0817
113 138.2241because138.7511 
115 139.2358uh, in the school yard140.3322 
117 140.7275there were141.2660 
119 141.3622cars141.7738 
121 141.8469parked also.142.6701 
122DCA_int_01142.9617/inaudible/143.5539
123DCA_se3_ag1_m_03143.7434So144.1704
125 145.2399what would happen actually was that the first per-, the person who was it,148.3203 
127 149.1781would149.5013 
129 149.7552uh agree to remain in a certain spot. Say at one end of the fi- one end of the playing field154.3936 
131 155.2543of the school yard.156.1968 
133 157.1239And he would, say, count to one hundred, while all the others159.4705 
135 159.8350ran away and hid.160.9814 
137 161.7277And then162.2008 
139 162.3970from there on it would be163.5011 
141 164.5898tag, and then he would- he would come and catch the others166.9777 
143 167.1662and tag them.167.7894 
145 168.4626Then they would be it too, and they'd find the others170.2938 
147 170.5467eventually.171.0968 
148DCA_int_01175.4159Um175.7044
150 176.0545do you ever watch television?177.3778 
151DCA_se3_ag1_m_03178.5973Rarely.179.3359
152DCA_int_01179.1820<laugh>179.6744
153 180.1871/inaudible/181.0747
155 181.9410Um,182.4228 
157 183.3396Do you have any favorite programs?185.4977 
159 186.9933/inaudible/188.7522 
160DCA_se3_ag1_m_03190.4467Um190.9430
162 197.3086I197.8857 
164 198.3858usually don't watch that much. I couldn't200.3044 
166 200.4544even say that I watch,201.7547 
168 202.2856watch a program a week, I don't know.203.8512 
170 204.7889There's nothing that I watch every week though.206.5585 
171DCA_int_01207.8049Is there anything-208.5473
173 208.8859or is there any uh209.6937 
175 210.2929adventure story programs that you recall from /inaudible/ that you could tell about?215.4329 
176DCA_se3_ag1_m_03218.2935Well I used to watch television quite a bit,220.2400
178 220.9969and I would221.6739 
180 222.6434watch almost anything that came on.224.0398 
181DCA_int_01224.2290Mm-hm.224.6676
183 226.3970Do you remember an episode of any program?228.3550 
184DCA_se3_ag1_m_03229.4168I- I used to watch230.4660
186 231.0969uh231.5124 
188 233.2166Twilight Zone and- and Outer Limits,235.1813 
189DCA_int_01235.8080Mm-hm.236.1848
190DCA_se3_ag1_m_03236.1508I believe.236.6971
191 237.9588Science- science fiction mostly.239.3899
192DCA_int_01239.5230Mm-hm.240.0184
193DCA_se3_ag1_m_03240.5430Most of the programs were -241.6471
195 241.7586were pretty bad because all they had were a lot of monsters running around.244.5391 
196DCA_int_01244.5649<laugh>244.9553
197DCA_se3_ag1_m_03245.1506But every once in a while, especially Twilight Zone,247.1087
199 247.5857had some pretty imaginative uh249.2706 
201 250.1545programs on.250.9431 
202DCA_int_01252.0587Do you remember any252.9512
204 253.7706in particular?254.8361 
205DCA_se3_ag1_m_03255.6969Quite a f- I remember quite a few of those.257.6588
206DCA_int_01259.0197Can you tell me about one?260.5853
207DCA_se3_ag1_m_03261.6894Um262.2010
209 264.7237let me see.265.4046 
211 267.4665They're all mixed up.268.3166 
212DCA_int_01271.5548/inaudible/272.4973
213DCA_se3_ag1_m_03273.0089<laugh>273.7398
214DCA_int_01273.6052piece of the old one.274.7631
215 275.5666<laugh>276.0826
216DCA_se3_ag1_m_03277.2780There was one on Outer Limits, in which uh279.2399
218 280.5854a uh, group of scientists were concerned about the uh283.1666 
220 284.0082plight of the world.284.9160 
222 285.1776They thought that the285.7893 
224 286.4817uh286.9626 
226 288.4321nations of the world were so concerned with290.1392 
228 290.9085uh, the destruction of each other that-292.4973 
230 292.8512that they'd destroy the world eventually.294.5660 
232 295.1238And so they wanted to do something about this.296.9357 
234 297.5473They um298.1590 
236 299.8430figured that300.3315 
238 300.4893if300.7662 
240 301.3740the world was302.1396 
242 302.3050threatened by say, a menace from space,304.2400 
244 304.9622that uh305.6393 
246 306.8164the-307.1165 
248 307.2511it would307.5743 
250 307.9474promote unification of all the countries and end310.3546 
252 310.6932conflict within the uh312.2358 
254 312.3589world,312.7128 
256 314.6584against this menace315.6316 
257DCA_int_01315.7122Mm-hm.316.1214
258DCA_se3_ag1_m_03316.3317from space.316.9165
260 317.8320So they took-318.6822 
262 318.8236they chose319.8699 
264 320.2085from their own number321.0125 
266 321.3779one man to uh322.6820 
268 323.2398become323.7822 
270 324.4737a uh space creature,325.9086 
272 326.1817which they did through uh327.3166 
274 328.0282various scientific procedures which were kind of330.2508 
276 330.6086vaguely presented in the-331.8165 
277DCA_int_01331.9719Mm-hm.332.5176
278DCA_se3_ag1_m_03332.7705in the episode, I guess they couldn't figure out anything that would really work.335.4470
280 336.9127Um337.4128 
282 338.4889and they expanded his lungs, his lung capacity,341.1202 
284 341.9896and uh342.8436 
286 343.5236changed his uh344.6469 
288 345.9471metabolism346.7351 
290 348.1283and all kinds of things to make him look350.1431 
292 350.2624uh350.6778 
294 351.5280like an alien creature.352.5244 
296 353.3966And they launched him354.3815 
298 355.5778uh355.9818 
300 356.0625from the Earth,356.6857 
302 357.8513and then he came back down, posing as359.9162 
304 360.3817an alien360.9548 
306 361.1510UFO I guess.362.1820 
308 363.2784Uh363.6515 
310 364.5161but unfortunately something went wrong when he landed. He was uh367.5821 
312 368.4890shot at by some hunters,369.9508 
313DCA_int_01370.0508<laugh>370.6702
314DCA_se3_ag1_m_03372.7398and they wounded him,373.7092
316 373.8468and he374.3238 
318 374.8046staggered back to the laboratory376.3896 
320 376.9704where he'd hide, so there wasn't,378.5323 
322 378.8814wasn't much to that.379.7623 
324 380.3509It was a tragedy because uh381.8281 
326 384.0199he384.2930 
328 384.5008had a wife I think,385.5202 
330 386.5935and she didn't know what was going on388.3784 
332 388.7545until the end when she was there, and she saw390.6471 
334 391.0857this alien creature392.1320 
336 392.2282dead, but she knew it was her husband.393.7160 
337DCA_int_01394.3578/inaudible/395.2576
338DCA_se3_ag1_m_03396.1896And there were some others.397.3167
340 397.5398I believe there was one about a man who had399.4200 
342 400.1009a-400.4856 
344 400.7741a plate of some kind in his402.3013 
346 402.6591brain,403.2053 
348 403.8545which enabled him to uh405.3010 
350 407.0513have407.3783 
352 407.5168kind of a mental power over others.409.3239 
354 411.2011Uh411.4973 
356 412.5283and he412.8361 
358 412.9698used his power, and414.1969 
360 414.6047whenever say, he would think about416.0627 
362 416.2011a person, whenever he- he would get really417.9707 
364 418.7238angry419.2854 
366 419.7047or concerned420.5664 
368 421.6089about uh, what somebody say had done to him, he could think about424.2316 
370 424.5970that,424.8778 
372 425.7895and this person would426.8821 
374 427.2052be in some way, killed.428.4468 
375DCA_int_01429.0080Mm-hm.429.4053
376DCA_se3_ag1_m_03430.0817And uh430.6895
378 431.0781in the end431.8282 
380 432.9967uh433.3429 
382 433.4622I believe433.9700 
384 434.2316he was killed himself by his own power.435.9204 
386 438.4584I don't remember the - this is439.5124 
388 439.7548several years ago.440.6973 
389DCA_int_01442.5005/inaudible/448.6886
391 450.3895Mm- do you have a pet?451.3397 
392DCA_se3_ag1_m_03452.0360Uh, no sir.452.7130
393DCA_int_01453.9163Have you ever454.6740
395 455.6857/inaudible/456.9937 
397 458.3950/inaudible/459.6852 
398DCA_se3_ag1_m_03459.8625Well uh460.5703
400 461.9168we-462.2707 
402 462.3630I've never had a dog. We've463.4507 
404 463.9393had464.2509 
406 464.4009quite a few cats, several cats.466.0474 
408 467.0591Um, especially out in Maryland.468.5007 
410 468.9008We had a469.3471 
412 469.4702rabbit out there,470.2895 
414 470.4434a big470.8320 
416 470.9627white rabbit,471.4782 
417DCA_int_01471.5533Mm.471.7958
418DCA_se3_ag1_m_03473.2519uh,473.5827
420 473.6480in Maryland.474.2314 
422 476.5605And uh477.2466 
423DCA_int_01477.2746What happened to it?477.9328
425 478.1895Where did you keep the rabbit?479.5617 
426DCA_se3_ag1_m_03480.3359We made a pen for him using uh,481.9928
428 482.0628an old door as the uh,483.5658 
430 483.8598bottom,484.2892 
432 484.8913and we used some485.6428 
434 485.9642chicken wire486.5803 
436 486.6783and486.9164 
438 487.5325screened it in.488.1439 
439DCA_int_01489.6842Uh, was it large enough491.1638
441 491.2648/??/491.7706 
443 492.5867/inaudible/?493.6509 
444DCA_se3_ag1_m_03494.2903Y- yes it was quite large,495.6953
446 496.2460and we'd let him out.497.0628 
448 497.1469/He would-/497.4456 
450 498.0617we tried to walk him several times to keep him from getting away, but he didn't like that too much.501.6643 
451DCA_int_01501.8021/inaudible/502.5865
453 503.6107Did you name it?504.5208 
454DCA_se3_ag1_m_03505.1316Uh yes.505.8224
456 506.4245Uh506.5692 
458 506.6252Fluffy.507.1853 
459DCA_int_01510.9653How did you511.4981
461 511.9268feed him?512.4496 
463 512.7250Lettuce and carrots, stuff like that?514.4340 
464DCA_se3_ag1_m_03514.7273Oh we had some rabbit food, I believe, and516.5616
466 516.8417lettuce and carrots and different things.518.3813 
467DCA_int_01521.2518Any of the cats ever go into um523.2635
468DCA_se3_ag1_m_03524.8451Um,525.2839
469DCA_int_01525.3212/inaudible/526.1660
470DCA_se3_ag1_m_03527.1882we had a cat527.9303
472 528.1310uh,528.5138 
474 529.4473the only cat we've had since we've uh been in Washington.531.9577 
476 532.8119It was- it was a big533.7547 
478 534.1374uh534.5155 
480 535.1176buff colored cat,536.0651 
482 536.8813very537.2547 
484 537.3667very big.537.9314 
486 538.9630And uh539.6584 
488 541.2827it was tremendously friendly. It- it would543.0610 
490 543.5084walk down the sidewalk, and if somebody was coming,545.5621 
492 546.0102it would just stop and then flop over on its side548.3300 
494 548.7687and put all four paws up in the air, waiting for somebody to -550.9991 
496 551.1205to scratch its belly or something.552.5674 
497DCA_int_01552.3766<laugh>552.9175
498DCA_se3_ag1_m_03554.2710And uh554.9805
500 555.8153he was mischievous. He would hide behind the garage558.0930 
502 558.5971around the back when somebody was coming down the walk.560.5621 
504 561.5370I believe he did that to uh562.8626 
506 563.6280our next door neighbor, who lives across the alley.565.5790 
508 566.2325He's uh,566.8066 
510 567.4874used to play football. He's about six foot four and weighs about two hundred and seventy pounds or so.571.6881 
512 572.6683And uh, the cat hid behind the garage. When the man- it was dusk, and he was575.9115 
514 576.2009coming down the walk, and the cat darted out and started screeching578.9828 
515DCA_int_01579.3888<laugh>580.6584
516DCA_se3_ag1_m_03580.9711and scared him like anything.582.1980
517DCA_int_01582.2027<laugh>583.7196
519 584.0440/Alright, very good/.585.1484 
521 585.8246/inaudible/588.0971 
523 589.2826Have you seen a movie recently? /??/591.4024 
525 591.8875/That impressed you?/592.8577 
526DCA_se3_ag1_m_03594.8736Um595.4570
528 598.0055I saw In the Heat of the Night not too long ago.599.9612 
529DCA_int_01600.3502What was that about?601.3400
530DCA_se3_ag1_m_03602.2196Um,602.7423
532 603.8905it was about a uh605.1321 
534 605.7902Negro606.3643 
536 606.4943policeman from Philadelphia,607.9413 
538 608.3753a homicide uh609.4862 
540 609.9949detective610.4850 
542 611.4699who uh,612.0300 
544 612.5621was returning home from uh,614.0550 
546 614.8578seeing his mother, and he stopped over in a little Southern town.617.7657 
548 619.4086Um,619.8054 
550 621.2049and unknowingly, he622.3065 
552 622.9273had chosen the time624.3042 
554 624.7943uh to stop over625.8678 
556 626.2779when there had just been a murder,627.3094 
558 628.3456and uh629.0363 
560 629.1250the police were, were anxious to find somebody they could pin the murder on.632.5550 
562 633.4511And uh,634.1839 
564 635.4488the uh,636.0276 
566 637.5399one of the638.0019 
568 638.8881deputies639.6442 
570 639.9149in- of the uh,640.8951 
572 642.2814of the town642.9488 
574 643.5883saw644.1017 
576 644.2417this uh644.8858 
578 645.1699policeman sitting in the uh station.646.8595 
580 647.6203And uh,648.3578 
582 648.7779this was Sydney Poitier. He was all dressed up and everything, had a lot of money on him.651.9418 
584 652.7119And so the deputy arrested him cause-654.1391 
586 654.2335because he thought that he was the uh murderer656.0772 
588 656.7166of this man, who had also been rather,658.6950 
590 659.0824was rather wealthy. He was probably the wealthiest man in that town.661.6448 
591DCA_int_01661.6936Mm-hm.662.1000
592DCA_se3_ag1_m_03663.0637And um,663.8152
594 665.8589they found out later that uh,667.4085 
596 667.6606he was actually a homicide detective, which was rather embarrassing.670.4284 
598 672.2527And uh672.8361 
600 673.0975they decided to put him674.3764 
602 675.0392on the case. He stayed down there,676.6075 
604 677.1529and uh677.7784 
606 678.7305the rest of the story is mostly a680.3408 
608 680.7469mystery story,681.6477 
610 682.7252as he finds the uh683.8641 
612 683.9481murderer684.4475 
614 684.5316of this uh685.2457 
616 685.9271wealthy man.686.8280 
618 689.1891And uh689.7678 
620 690.6033Rod Steiger was the um,692.0362 
622 693.7632was the sheriff of that,694.7340 
624 695.2328of that town,695.9096 
626 697.1885and they got three or four698.3600 
628 698.4627men who they believed to be the699.7836 
630 700.0357uh, killer,700.7638 
632 701.0018and they were701.4546 
634 701.6039all702.0007 
636 702.4994all wrong. They had to release them703.8857 
638 704.5531and catch another one, then release him.706.1634 
640 707.7590And they finally caught the uh709.0146 
642 709.9201caught the right man. It was kind of a surprise ending,711.9364 
643DCA_int_01712.2475Mm-hm.712.7641
644DCA_se3_ag1_m_03713.6354and uh there was also kind of a sub plot in which716.1552
646 716.6499the uh717.1867 
648 718.2836the sheriff718.9370 
650 719.8145and720.2579 
652 720.4400all the rest of the people in the town, of course, were prejudiced against uh723.3098 
654 723.4172Poitier.723.8792 
656 725.3775And the sheriff at least726.4737 
658 727.1131at the end was kind of, was Poitier's friend. Not729.5029 
660 729.8903so much730.4971 
662 731.4492a731.6546 
664 731.9720friend, but uh733.0782 
666 733.7357he wasn't734.4078 
668 734.5991as opposed735.4533 
670 735.5980or prejudiced as he was to begin with.737.1056 
671DCA_int_01739.0284Mm.739.3123
673 739.5234Sounds like a good740.3495 
675 740.5495/inaudible/740.9836 
676DCA_se3_ag1_m_03741.2450I don't, I don't tell stories very well, so.742.8973
677DCA_int_01742.9253<laugh> No, /inaudible/.744.0922
679 744.8156Uh745.2357 
681 745.4684/inaudible/746.4766 
683 746.6913Steiger /unintelligible/747.5361 
685 748.3296/??/749.0157 
686DCA_se3_ag1_m_03749.2771Yes sir.749.8279
687DCA_int_01753.3511And what do you study in school?754.9988
688DCA_se3_ag1_m_03757.3792Um, Spanish, Geometry, English759.6999
690 759.8896and Chemistry.760.7065 
691DCA_int_01762.7975What kind of stuff were you studying764.3098
693 764.6085back in elementary school?766.1901 
694DCA_se3_ag1_m_03767.8657Well we had uh768.8412
696 771.2170English, Mathematics,772.7519 
698 774.0635Social Studies,775.0017 
700 775.4264which,775.9678 
702 777.2514well it was kind of a History and Geography course.779.6901 
704 781.7129Um782.3290 
706 783.6499and Spanish, a language.784.9568 
707DCA_int_01785.3919Mm-hm.785.9183
709 786.3050Even in elementary school?787.4999 
710DCA_se3_ag1_m_03787.5932Yes sir.788.0553
711DCA_int_01796.1341What did /inaudible/798.3178
713 799.7087when you were young?800.5115 
715 800.6562/inaudible/801.7858 
717 801.9818What did802.3785 
719 803.0227kids do after school without804.6183 
721 805.1410/inaudible/?806.0372 
722DCA_se3_ag1_m_03808.1516Well808.5810
724 808.7817I was picked up directly after the school was over, so I, I wouldn't know the personal experience,813.2198 
726 813.9153but generally when, when school was over815.9970 
728 816.6311uh little children either817.8820 
730 818.5868th- they819.3196 
732 819.5063hang around, they talk, maybe they go to,821.0092 
734 821.1103to the corner drug store and get a coke or a soda.823.2816 
736 824.3738Um825.1206 
738 825.5407if somebody has a,826.3948 
740 826.5815has a ball of some kind, they'll stay around at the school yard and kick that around or play basketball or something.831.1643 
742 832.4432Um, they'll eventually go home after a couple hours.834.8563 
744 836.4986Uh but mostly they'll just kind of mill around, and maybe go to a drug store,839.4672 
746 840.4053get something to drink and eat.841.3902 
747DCA_int_01842.9204Do you think kids uh, at that age844.7548
749 845.5156uh, nowadays, are doing the same things,847.1812 
751 847.7786the sort of things that they did when849.2629 
753 850.2804/inaudible/?850.8919 
755 852.0765/inaudible/853.3873 
756DCA_se3_ag1_m_03852.8662I think so.853.5990
757DCA_int_01856.4082/inaudible/857.8878
759 859.4327I interviewed a young man your age not long ago, and he was862.6153 
761 863.1474very sure that they didn't.864.5336 
763 866.8860Kids are more destructive now869.1491 
765 870.9788Uh, what, what does a person your age do?875.0482 
767 877.9905Kids at your school.878.8368 
768DCA_se3_ag1_m_03880.8072Well, a lot of kids have sports. Uh,882.9449
770 884.6019those that don't have sports886.2868 
772 886.5522um886.8836 
774 888.0458there's a uh, Hot Shoppes near our school, so890.1182 
776 890.9070in a way, they're still doing what the little kids did, they,893.1887 
778 893.6928instead of going to the corner drug store they,895.2751 
780 895.5178they- a group of them may go down to the Hot Shoppes and have something to-897.7162 
782 897.8562something to eat.898.5003 
784 899.5732Um often they'll900.5347 
786 901.0668go over to each other's houses902.3970 
788 903.4939and all kind, different things.904.8381 
789DCA_int_01907.7500Did you ever have a teacher that hollered a lot?909.4676
790DCA_se3_ag1_m_03913.4623Um914.0271
792 917.4850teacher that hollered a lot.918.5726 
793DCA_int_01921.3031You know like, was always getting on the kids for something?923.6727
794DCA_se3_ag1_m_03929.0691Not that I can remember.930.0913
795DCA_int_01932.6624Good.932.9973
797 934.2260Um934.6741 
799 935.7476do you have a teacher that you remember as the best teacher you ever had?939.0609 
800DCA_se3_ag1_m_03947.0043Well there,947.5271
802 949.5848I don't know if that's, if I can make a qualified statement about that.952.3666 
804 952.8007There was a teacher in fourth grade that I had954.8450 
806 955.6152who955.9886 
808 956.1053was- was good,956.9868 
810 957.8129My mother thinks that she was good,959.1571 
812 960.4267also.961.0848 
814 961.9250But I really962.6298 
816 962.7301for my own, I can't remember that much about the class to say whether she was the best966.4938 
818 966.7925teacher I've ever had.967.9267 
820 968.6315I've had some good teachers where I go to school now.970.7919 
821DCA_int_01971.0638Mm-hm.971.4760
823 972.7009What is it about that-973.7464 
825 974.1711well first of all975.0440 
827 975.3980do you remember what it was about the fourth grade teacher977.9465 
829 978.1799/inaudible/?979.0947 
830DCA_se3_ag1_m_03983.2108Well she was um,984.1956
832 987.7522she knew how to, how to balance989.4085 
834 989.9966discipline with uh991.2895 
836 993.1425a certain amount of uh994.3187 
838 996.7032of997.0672 
839DCA_int_01998.0047Mm-hm.998.3516
840DCA_se3_ag1_m_03998.7475leeway in- in-999.9331
842 1000.1244in the relationships between a-1001.6734 
844 1002.4715a teacher and the-1003.6011 
846 1003.9511and the student.1004.7119 
848 1006.0095Um,1006.4015 
850 1006.6349she was1007.2837 
852 1007.4277stern and strict in some cases, but not- but not so stern and strict, and1010.8163 
854 1011.0264she was just a good teacher.1012.0299 
856 1012.6600She could teach well.1013.5048 
857DCA_int_011015.0958What about the ones you have now?1016.6080
858DCA_se3_ag1_m_031017.9523It's about the same thing.1019.2405
860 1019.9493They uh1020.4861 
862 1021.6763don't mind their students1022.9038 
864 1023.1465occasionally say something in class to another student, but1025.6991 
866 1025.8677if it gets out of hand, they can control it.1027.6220 
868 1028.8075And they can present their material interestingly enough to uh,1031.6687 
870 1032.1635keep the students' attention,1033.3250 
872 1034.7393and make the students remember what they've been taught.1036.5736 
873DCA_int_011039.2334Did you ever have a teacher that you intensely disliked?1041.7025
875 1044.1109Or sort of disliked?1045.5812 
876DCA_se3_ag1_m_031047.1255Oh I've had some teachers that didn't teach too well, that I didn't- I didn't like them, but I can't say that I1051.7883
878 1052.1844disliked them.1052.9498 
880 1053.8273I've had a math teacher1055.2556 
882 1056.8332um1057.2953 
884 1058.3028last year I think it was,1059.5630 
886 1061.4347who uh,1061.8734 
888 1063.6891is1064.1418 
890 1065.1540almost unable to teach whatsoever. She's-1067.1797 
892 1068.0805she's really1068.7200 
894 1069.1074uh1069.5135 
896 1070.3769pathetic,1070.8437 
898 1072.0939and1072.5140 
900 1072.7800I didn't enjoy being in her class, but I didn't dislike her.1075.5199 
901DCA_int_011077.2173/inaudible/ what it was about her that1079.4570
903 1081.0362/inaudible/1082.0064 
904DCA_se3_ag1_m_031084.3728Um1084.8302
906 1087.3226she's rather old to begin with.1088.8022 
908 1088.9983I wouldn't go so far as to say that she's senile, but uh1091.9908 
910 1094.4446she1094.9487 
912 1095.2614doesn't-1095.7608 
914 1096.3249well she's a math teacher in the first place. She doesn't- she1098.9900 
916 1100.1149doesn't have a head for figures.1101.6225 
918 1102.7934Uh she has trouble adding1104.1983 
920 1104.7444figures, in a- in a column you know.1106.3500 
922 1107.6329She,1107.9269 
924 1108.0445she couldn't add1108.8453 
926 1108.9629three uh1109.5691 
928 1109.8767two digit numbers probably without making a mistake,1111.7270 
930 1113.7441and uh1114.4544 
932 1115.5718she gets confused easily.1117.0104 
934 1118.9505She looses track of what she was doing1121.1085 
936 1121.4839rather easily.1122.2530 
938 1122.7733She'll be working a problem, then she'll1124.2526 
940 1124.9532forget to do something,1126.0842 
942 1126.2923and then she'll1126.9392 
944 1127.1428have to stand there, look at the whole problem for about five minutes before she can figure out what she's done wrong.1131.2324 
946 1133.1907Um1133.5978 
948 1133.9236she isn't aware that her students uh1135.8643 
950 1136.7284sometimes don't pay attention in her class,1138.5736 
952 1140.5324and that's about it. She's1141.7584 
953DCA_int_011143.6759/Sounds like she could/1144.8476
955 1145.2548/stand some improvement/.1146.6934 
957 1147.7747/inaudible/1148.5437 
959 1150.4024Anywhere in your1151.5606 
961 1151.7008educational history can you remember1153.7637 
963 1154.0623a time uh1154.7816 
965 1154.9852in which there's-1155.7543 
967 1156.2467children1156.9344 
969 1157.4908played a trick on a teacher?1159.0574 
971 1160.6305Practical joke /like thing/1162.4717 
972DCA_se3_ag1_m_031163.9685Yes uh1164.8869
974 1165.6469quite recently I re- I remember that uh1167.6736 
976 1168.4873sometimes1169.3152 
978 1170.2471there was a, an alarm clock in the Chemistry room.1172.6765 
980 1173.9432Um,1174.5630 
982 1175.0057I think it was used for uh, certain exams,1177.3310 
984 1177.6160certain timed exams.1178.8646 
986 1180.0855And1180.5650 
988 1180.6464one day the students um,1182.0579 
990 1182.2027a few students,1183.1256 
992 1183.8313uh got to the uh1184.9351 
994 1186.0293Chemistry room early,1187.0246 
996 1187.4544and they set the alarm clock and hid it,1189.1825 
998 1190.2592and, it w- it was supposed to go off right in the middle of class,1192.8967 
1000 1193.4842and it was hidden in such a place1194.9318 
1002 1195.1444it would be hard to find, and it would distract the whole class for about five or ten minutes.1198.8360 
1004 1200.4595Um1200.8983 
1006 1201.7805that's one of them I can remember that was,1203.6398 
1008 1203.9339been recent.1204.4270 
1010 1204.5717There have been many.1205.3137 
1012 1205.9147Uh,1206.2766 
1014 1207.4348I remember1208.0681 
1016 1208.2988uh1208.8372 
1018 1209.1086hearing about1209.6741 
1020 1209.9908something that wasn't so much of a joke.1211.5199 
1022 1211.9400Over at uh1212.8493 
1024 1213.5596the junior high school I used to go,1215.2334 
1026 1215.7537there was a Spanish teacher1216.9435 
1028 1217.7436who uh1218.2684 
1030 1219.9377nobody liked.1220.8085 
1032 1221.8830Uh1222.3761 
1034 1222.9591and he was always very domineering1225.1487 
1036 1225.9178in his uh class,1227.4650 
1038 1228.4331and in some cases he was just downright stupid, in be- in being that uh1231.8028 
1040 1233.0378that- that pushy with his students.1234.6710 
1042 1235.6843And some of the1236.6021 
1044 1236.9595uh1237.2671 
1046 1237.9095bigger students just got mad at,1239.5653 
1048 1239.7779some, one day, and1240.6601 
1050 1241.0220picked him up and tried to throw him out of the second story window.1243.1024 
1051DCA_int_011243.1210Oh my gosh.1244.0963
1052DCA_se3_ag1_m_031245.1336But fortunately, a teacher down the uh1247.0020
1054 1247.1649hall1247.6670 
1056 1248.4264came in and stopped it.1249.3810 
1058 1250.2043And what's so funny was that this1251.5932 
1060 1251.7606Spanish teacher is, he was about six two and he was bigger than any of the other students,1255.8722 
1062 1256.7906but they were able to, to take him.1258.4690 
1064 1258.6228Well the teacher that stopped it1259.9393 
1066 1260.4679was a little lady history teacher1262.1011 
1067DCA_int_011262.4868[<laugh>]1262.8119
1068DCA_se3_ag1_m_031262.5309[who] was really really short. She was under five feet,1264.9477
1069DCA_int_011265.2212Hm.1265.4431
1070DCA_se3_ag1_m_031265.5800and she1266.1500
1072 1266.6069had1267.0322 
1074 1267.4930so much uh1268.2937 
1076 1269.1895command and so much respect from the other students that1271.1619 
1078 1271.3203they uh1271.7455 
1080 1272.5547stopped what they were doing.1273.5409 
1082 1275.3007I-1275.6626 
1084 1275.9929nobody likes, nobody in the uh faculty or administration likes him much either.1279.4718 
1085DCA_int_011283.3801/inaudible/1284.8767
1087 1285.1811/??/ that successful.1286.5745 
1089 1290.7074Uh when you were young was there a group of kids that you1293.4173 
1091 1293.9511always1294.6885 
1093 1295.0911uh, stayed with /and/ played with?1297.0952 
1094DCA_se3_ag1_m_031298.3839Mm- generally, yes.1299.5828
1096 1300.0804Yes.1300.3835 
1097DCA_int_011302.1569/Um what were they all in your class the same years?/1304.3329
1098DCA_se3_ag1_m_031305.0561Yes, they were the same age and1306.5536
1100 1307.1236we generally had classes together.1308.6255 
1101DCA_int_011308.9379Mm-hm.1309.4488
1103 1310.4209Do any of them speak any foreign languages, uh1312.6874 
1105 1313.1172like another language?1314.3794 
1106DCA_se3_ag1_m_031315.0670Um1315.6958
1108 1316.6543no.1317.0162 
1110 1318.0567No.1318.4096 
1111DCA_int_011319.4682Any of them1320.1513
1113 1320.6263speak any that they learned1322.0469 
1115 1322.3312?1323.2405 
1116DCA_se3_ag1_m_031324.4665Um1325.1180
1118 1326.1766one of them, two of them spoke uh1327.9816 
1120 1328.6551French, and1329.3337 
1122 1330.2023uh1330.6049 
1124 1331.4916the other one spoke uh, Spanish.1333.4686 
1126 1333.8576I spoke Spanish, and there were1335.1062 
1128 1335.1689a few others1335.5399 
1130 1335.6304that weren't so1336.1914 
1132 1336.7659closely associated within this group1338.4126 
1134 1338.6117that uh1339.0369 
1136 1339.3943spoke either Spanish or French.1340.9687 
1137DCA_int_011342.4066Was there one kid that was sort of looked to as the leader?1344.8631
1138DCA_se3_ag1_m_031346.6004Um1347.2201
1140 1349.9791I, I can't really say so.1351.6665 
1142 1351.7932In some, in some cases1353.1452 
1144 1353.2674uh1353.6384 
1146 1354.2400one kid wa- was looked1355.4479 
1148 1355.6425towards as the leader, and some cases we were just a group, and1358.5152 
1150 1359.0981and s- other cases, another1360.5458 
1152 1361.1656kid was looked1361.7220 
1154 1362.1201up to as the leader.1363.1199 
1156 1363.8709So it was uh1364.5857 
1157DCA_int_011365.6391Do you have any idea what was1366.6480
1159 1366.9420/inaudible/1368.0821 
1161 1369.1407that would make one1370.1812 
1163 1370.9903/inaudible/1373.1347 
1165 1375.4555/inaudible/1376.5005 
1166DCA_se3_ag1_m_031379.1238Well uh,1379.7933
1168 1381.1777in uh,1381.9965 
1170 1382.9284the uh1383.5030 
1172 1383.7285tag game for example, it would be the one who could uh1386.2891 
1174 1386.7279run the fastest.1387.6734 
1176 1390.5003If we were playing over at somebody's house,1392.4365 
1178 1393.3504and we did this often, we would often go over to uh1395.8431 
1180 1396.4894each other's houses, especially to one boy's house.1398.9368 
1182 1399.3666He lived next to a uh1400.4433 
1184 1400.5835church with a lot of, lot of grounds on it.1402.3162 
1186 1403.0485And uh, in fact they were two,1404.5368 
1188 1405.4597there were two boys who lived1406.5907 
1190 1406.7672right next to each other that were in this group,1408.4094 
1192 1408.8430two of the four.1409.6030 
1194 1410.6164And one of them lived in the church1412.1093 
1196 1412.8693uh1413.3082 
1198 1413.5117it was a church and then there was a house1415.0544 
1200 1415.9495next to it.1416.4924 
1202 1417.7953And the other one1418.6548 
1204 1419.1253uh lived right next door,1420.3740 
1206 1422.3005and there was a lot of grounds around there.1424.2277 
1208 1424.9425And uh1425.4944 
1210 1426.7967it was fun to play, especially at night, when often, we'd we'd sleep over. All four of us would sleep over at one1432.1033 
1212 1432.2662or the other's houses.1433.2388 
1213DCA_int_011433.5600Mm-hm.1433.9054
1214DCA_se3_ag1_m_031434.9211And um1435.5680
1216 1436.3009usually one of those two would be the leader in that case,1438.4950 
1218 1438.9784since it was their1439.7747 
1220 1439.9375territory.1440.4940 
1221DCA_int_011444.0498Were there any white kids in the bunch?1445.6377
1222DCA_se3_ag1_m_031446.2388Yes, two of them.1446.9490
1223DCA_int_011448.6636What about now?1449.5684
1225 1452.4359/?/1452.8386 
1227 1453.2276associate with regularly?1454.3405 
1228DCA_se3_ag1_m_031455.0644I1455.5484
1230 1455.7339can't say that there is, no.1456.7789 
1232 1457.7193There was one boy that uh1459.1127 
1234 1459.8184of the four that I still1461.0625 
1236 1461.7999uh1462.2704 
1238 1463.4692see1463.9986 
1240 1464.2332fairly regularly.1465.1289 
1241DCA_int_011467.5130What about a new kid that wanted to uh1469.2231
1243 1469.9056/go/ join the group.1471.1180 
1245 1471.9006Did he have to do anything special?1473.4116 
1247 1474.8774How would, how would he go about it?1476.6870 
1248DCA_se3_ag1_m_031479.5048Um1480.0250
1250 1484.7383w- I don't know. It would, it wouldn't make any- we'd try to get as many kids as we could playing this, this tag game for example.1490.4062 
1252 1492.1661Um,1492.6501 
1254 1494.2736there weren't any, any1495.4046 
1256 1495.7077new kids in the1496.7663 
1258 1497.2639in the group of, of the four of us though.1499.0780 
1259DCA_int_011500.9729If one had wanted to1502.2713
1261 1503.0042be with you, and you would accept him?1505.0626 
1262DCA_se3_ag1_m_031505.9086Um, I really don't know we, we never enc- encountered that situation.1509.1652
1263DCA_int_011511.1528Okay.1511.7623
1265 1513.3673Uh1513.8242 
1267 1515.3171what are your plans for when you finish school?1517.6424 
1269 1518.0451/inaudible/1518.8931 
1270DCA_se3_ag1_m_031519.8902You mean finish high school?1520.8719
1271DCA_int_011521.5505Well, finish your education.1523.0434
1272DCA_se3_ag1_m_031523.9030I, I really don't know.1525.1832
1274 1525.6305I would like to go in the service,1526.8384 
1276 1527.0646uh1527.4310 
1278 1528.7430after I finish college though I think.1530.3716 
1279DCA_int_011535.0341/what else?/1535.7360
1281 1540.2461/inaudible/ questions of /?/1541.6078 
1283 1542.3461I want you to use your imagination.1544.1639 
1285 1544.3351Suppose that you could be given all the money that you wanted,1547.0088 
1287 1547.6422what would you do with it?1549.1984 
1289 1555.2056/Are you stumped?/1556.2862 
1290DCA_se3_ag1_m_031564.6277Let's see.1565.4646
1291DCA_int_011567.9341What about /living/1568.8932
1293 1571.7071in Atlanta for instance?1573.1954 
1294DCA_se3_ag1_m_031577.8138Um1578.1259
1296 1580.6096I really don't know.1581.3735 
1298 1582.8528I guess I would1583.6174 
1300 1585.1917buy a few of the things that I've,1586.6439 
1302 1588.8510well I don't know.1589.4662 
1304 1599.4674There are, there are, it would be a few things that I'd like to get1601.7384 
1306 1601.8696which would require quite a bit of money.1603.5118 
1308 1606.9765Um1607.3385 
1310 1607.5194not many though.1608.2297 
1312 1610.4917Right now being sixteen years old, I doubt if I could do very much with1613.5583 
1314 1614.3273with all that money. If I was say twenty one, I could get a house or something1617.4036 
1316 1618.0506with it.1618.3672 
1318 1620.6422What I'd like to get would be a1621.8908 
1320 1622.1893uh1622.5060 
1322 1622.6327a castle in, on1623.8135 
1324 1624.2154Scottish Moor or something.1625.5002 
1326 1626.1019That always appealed to me.1627.1967 
1328 1628.1196I don't know why.1628.7575 
1330 1629.8071Um1630.3409 
1332 1633.2220and perhaps an expensive sports car, but besides that I'd be lost.1636.2304 
1333DCA_int_011637.8584Suppose you were just getting out of college and someone made you this offer.1641.0387
1335 1642.3688Do you have any other /ideas/?1643.4675 
1336DCA_se3_ag1_m_031647.3083Well I don't know.1647.8822
1338 1648.0451if, after you come out of college, or when you're in college, you get rather idealistic about things.1652.0941 
1340 1652.8857I would probably want to give it all to the Peace Corps or, or a1656.0745 
1342 1657.1195um1657.5991 
1344 1657.7438the Poverty Program or something.1659.2639 
1346 1660.3490Could be /useful/ if there was anything else I guess.1662.1993 
1347DCA_int_011663.6963Good.1664.0039
1349 1666.2663How do you celebrate1667.2797 
1351 1667.8898Christmas in your family?1669.4144 
1353 1669.9889/And starting/1670.7218 
1355 1671.8980the day before Christmas1672.8972 
1357 1673.1415/What do you do for Christmas?/1674.8244 
1358DCA_se3_ag1_m_031677.5026Usually Christmas Eve we uh1679.0679
1360 1680.6461s- uh, set up the Christmas tree,1682.4873 
1362 1683.2474which takes all day.1684.2200 
1364 1684.4281My mother is cooking in the- in the kitchen of course. She makes1687.2052 
1366 1688.4357uh, cakes and1689.6436 
1368 1689.9151starting1690.2408 
1370 1690.6479to work on a1691.4577 
1372 1692.5383Christmas uh, dinner.1693.7688 
1374 1696.3022Um1696.7682 
1376 1699.1834sometimes there are specials1700.5994 
1378 1700.7803on Christmas on television,1702.0832 
1380 1703.1011which uh,1703.5807 
1382 1705.0096it's kind of a family thing, you know, we all watch,1706.8870 
1384 1708.4930and uh1708.9907 
1386 1712.1342and we go to sleep about the same time, I don't stay up any later1714.9571 
1388 1715.0567or go to bed any earlier1716.2103 
1389DCA_int_011719.0507/When you were a little kid/1720.0867
1391 1720.3310/would you go to bed earlier to make it come faster?/1722.5380 
1392DCA_se3_ag1_m_031725.3836I think what I did was I would stay up late,1727.0575
1394 1728.3196and uh1728.8489 
1396 1731.0289finally fall asleep around one o'clock,1732.5308 
1398 1733.4492and then wake up around six,1735.0507 
1399DCA_int_011735.3395<laugh>1735.7196
1400DCA_se3_ag1_m_031736.7103/see who come down/ to see the presents and everything.1738.7597
1402 1739.5423My father would never get up1740.6235 
1404 1740.8000before seven or so.1741.8896 
1406 1745.0292I a- I always went in my stocking though anyway,1746.9519 
1408 1747.8515and saved the presents until1749.1906 
1409 1749.1906\af1749.9326
1410 1749.9326after my parents had gotten up.1751.5521
1411DCA_int_011756.5595And then what would happen the next day?1758.3465
1412DCA_se3_ag1_m_031758.9844Well the next day uh1760.0520
1414 1762.3496well, last Christmas I uh,1764.0687 
1416 1765.5299I had an idea what I was getting anyway.1767.5108 
1418 1769.3565Uh1769.7365 
1420 1770.5418so I didn't1771.3968 
1422 1772.3055get up early, I just got up around seven,1774.5087 
1424 1774.8661seven-thirty.1775.4904 
1426 1776.0966I usually get up around seven-thirty anyway.1778.1595 
1428 1778.7922Actually, about seven. I wake up around six-thirty1780.8959 
1430 1781.5654regularly,1782.2169 
1432 1782.4838even in the summer time.1783.4022 
1434 1785.1161And I just uh1786.2702 
1436 1788.7760got up and1789.4998 
1438 1789.8753my parents got up.1790.8344 
1440 1791.5802We came down, and we opened one present a piece before1794.4167 
1442 1794.7741uh breakfast.1795.6980 
1444 1796.5921Then we had breakfast, and we1797.8362 
1446 1798.6053uh1799.0124 
1448 1799.4422kept on1799.9760 
1450 1800.6320opening presents during rest of the day.1802.6316 
1452 1804.0515And of course people came by to visit and everything,1806.2230 
1454 1808.0868and we had Christmas dinner.1809.4712 
1456 1810.4975Um,1810.9815 
1458 1813.4200and more people came by after dinner,1815.0667 
1460 1816.2196and that was about it.1817.0294 
1461DCA_int_011818.9657/inaudible/1820.0967
1463 1821.6387What was the best present that you ever got?1823.5388 
1464DCA_se3_ag1_m_031827.8314The one I got last Christmas.1829.1207
1466 1829.7043I got a uh1830.4869 
1468 1831.3872a new bow.1832.0839 
1470 1833.0339Archery.1833.5361 
1471DCA_int_011833.8361Oh.1834.2489
1472DCA_se3_ag1_m_031834.8745Um,1835.2907
1474 1837.0144and I'll be using it uh1838.3354 
1476 1838.8918this summer.1839.4845 
1478 1840.9541I'll1841.2482 
1480 1841.4925try to shoot every day if I can.1843.2432 
1482 1843.8811I have a job this summer which1845.2745 
1484 1845.8258requires uh1846.7668 
1486 1847.3413a lot of my time but if I can1848.9745 
1488 1849.5083shoot every day after my job, I'll be happy.1851.7114 
1489DCA_int_011852.9549Is archery your hobby?1854.1809
1490DCA_se3_ag1_m_031855.4974Um1855.8909
1492 1857.0038just about I would say.1857.9041 
1494 1858.1885One of the many.1858.9666 
1495DCA_int_011860.6450What else do you have /inaudible/?1862.4955
1496DCA_se3_ag1_m_031865.8243Well I1866.2767
1498 1866.5662shoot archery, and uh1867.7877 
1500 1868.9956I still read a lot.1869.8732 
1502 1871.2750Uh, I play pool. We have a pool table downstairs,1873.7949 
1504 1875.6678and whenever I1876.4550 
1506 1876.7348don't have anything else to do I'll go down and shoot a few racks of pool.1879.3904 
1508 1882.0369I l-1882.3400 
1509DCA_int_011882.7691What do you read?1883.6830
1511 1884.7009Novels?1885.3523 
1512DCA_se3_ag1_m_031889.1246I read a lot of science fiction.1890.6085
1513DCA_int_011890.7730Mm-hm.1891.1910
1514DCA_se3_ag1_m_031891.6671Um,1892.1557
1516 1896.4438we have some books to read for school which are interesting.1898.8686 
1518 1899.8503I read almost everything I can get my hands on1901.5830 
1520 1901.7724except uh1902.5324 
1522 1903.4010Jane Austen novels1904.5320 
1524 1906.5949and uh1907.1966 
1526 1908.6527things like that.1909.7022 
1528 1910.9508But anything else, I'll read, just about.1912.6428 
1529DCA_int_011914.0627Sounds like me when I was your age.1915.7787
1531 1918.5776Think you'll ever /inaudible/ from reading too much?1920.7168 
1532DCA_se3_ag1_m_031921.9835Um1922.3590
1534 1922.5988no, I can't say I1924.0193 
1535DCA_int_011926.6652Apparently1927.1945
1537 1928.2169if you're1929.1262 
1539 1929.5695/inaudible/ spend all my time reading.1931.3675 
1541 1931.8217/?/ be outside.1932.7945 
1543 1934.8981Well /?/ /this is kind of uh not very important/, were you ever in a situation where you thought that you might be killed and that you might die?1942.7511 
1545 1944.5872A terrible situation?1945.9213 
1546DCA_se3_ag1_m_031951.2684Um1951.6846
1548 1958.1352I can't1958.5378 
1550 1958.7007really say that I've,1959.5647 
1552 1959.8497that I have been.1960.7274 
1554 1961.4919Um1961.9941 
1556 1963.6673I'm sure if I could think hard enough there would be something that's happened1966.1238 
1558 1967.1327in which there was the possibility of,1968.7115 
1560 1969.8464of uh1970.5114 
1562 1974.8137hm.1975.0761 
1564 1978.1382I can't really say that I,1979.3009 
1566 1980.1197that I have.1980.6626 
1567DCA_int_011983.2496Sometimes uh1984.1318
1569 1984.5163people1984.9844 
1571 1986.4888talk about fatalist notions.1988.2615 
1573 1989.3473Whatever's going to happen is going to happen.1991.3921 
1575 1991.6612So uh,1992.2833 
1577 1993.2017there's no sense in trying to change1994.9564 
1579 1997.0419agree with that, or?1998.0271 
1580DCA_se3_ag1_m_031998.0779No sir.1998.6343
1581DCA_int_011998.8525/inaudible/2002.0868
1582DCA_se3_ag1_m_032004.3972Well if you- if you go along that l-2005.7273
1584 2005.9444that line then uh2006.9255 
1586 2007.9253that's kind of the idea of a preordained destiny,2010.2642 
1588 2010.8659and uh2011.4223 
1590 2011.7254I don't-2012.1190 
1592 2012.3904I don't believe in that. I figure2013.6882 
1594 2013.8917that uh2014.5025 
1596 2016.0632you can do2016.7192 
1598 2017.0947anything you want to do just about2018.6419 
1600 2018.8132if you uh2019.3425 
1602 2020.5142have uh2021.1113 
1604 2021.5004the preparation and the ability2022.8983 
1606 2023.8981that uh-2024.3634 
1608 2024.5715like for example2025.3994 
1610 2025.8609my mother2026.3811 
1612 2027.1321has2027.5664 
1614 2028.3219somewhat that idea.2029.2629 
1616 2030.0048Um2030.4663 
1618 2030.5878my father doesn't like to fly in airplanes2032.4969 
1620 2033.1800because uh2033.8812 
1622 2034.3291because he doesn't like heights, but also because he thinks it's dangerous.2036.7223 
1624 2037.9747And my mother says uh2039.1148 
1626 2039.4134that2039.6758 
1628 2039.8070uh2040.1101 
1630 2040.3046that she would fly because2041.5442 
1632 2042.3488uh2042.7876 
1634 2042.9640that she isn't afraid of the height, and if sh- and she figures if she's going to die, she's going to die anyway,2047.1894 
1636 2048.8542and uh2049.4423 
1638 2050.3194that- that sounds like uh2051.6946 
1640 2055.1102I- I disagree with that.2056.1908 
1642 2056.4487I would,2056.7654 
1644 2059.0002I would try to do everything in my power to uh2060.9184 
1646 2062.1663to change my destiny.2063.2521 
1648 2065.4553I'm not explaining this too well, uh.2067.1834 
1649DCA_int_012067.4452No, that's good.2068.3183
1651 2069.5940Most people have trouble with this question.2071.2498 
1653 2071.6932It's kind of philosophical.2073.0780 
1654DCA_se3_ag1_m_032074.5109No, well I've- I've2075.4700
1656 2077.4651thought uh2078.2884 
1658 2079.3968about that and other things,2080.9750 
1660 2082.1196um, quite a bit.2083.0063 
1662 2086.2403I- I really don't think there's any such thing as a destiny that- that uh2089.1085 
1664 2090.5154that2090.8638 
1666 2092.2701I mean, you- you make your own destiny.2093.9440 
1668 2096.2693Of course uh2097.2284 
1670 2098.2411in the- in the sense of uh2099.6707 
1672 2100.7881the uh2101.2495 
1674 2102.3398ancient Greek legends2103.7422 
1676 2104.3077and uh myths where the character /inaudible/2106.8638 
1678 2107.1933by the gods,2108.0077 
1680 2108.6682but even in the uh2110.3828 
1682 2112.3998try to change things, and that was part of their destiny too.2114.9423 
1684 2116.5114Uh we- we read Oedipus Rex early this year,2118.9408 
1686 2119.9768and um2120.5966 
1688 2120.7232we had a big discussion about um2122.5374 
1690 2124.3780his uh2124.9751 
1692 2125.2647hubris being the uh,2126.4137 
1694 2127.3050being the cause of his downfall.2128.9834 
1696 2130.0504Uh2130.3806 
1698 2131.8600and which I pointed out that-2133.0181 
1700 2133.2126that even though2133.9274 
1702 2134.3210he did try to change his destiny as it had been uh outlined2137.4555 
1704 2137.7269to him by the uh2138.6769 
1706 2139.3374Oracle of Delphi.2140.3734 
1707DCA_int_012140.4612Mm-hm.2140.8417
1708DCA_se3_ag1_m_032141.0966That2141.2730
1710 2141.8114even though he had tried to change it,2143.0464 
1712 2143.5576that2143.8743 
1714 2144.4443trying- that attempt to change it had been part of his destiny already2147.6699 
1716 2147.8819preordained by the Gods.2149.0898 
1718 2149.8589So that actually he hadn't tried to change his destiny at all, but had merely fulfilled it,2153.5731 
1720 2154.4184as it2154.7124 
1722 2154.8527/inaudible/2155.5172 
1724 2156.4089preordained and therefore was- wasn't worthy of uh2159.0690 
1726 2159.8917of hubris, in that2160.9458 
1728 2161.1313sense.2161.6425 
1729DCA_int_012161.7253Mm-hm.2162.0873
1730DCA_se3_ag1_m_032165.3431So there's-2165.7910
1732 2166.0437there's no2166.5504 
1734 2166.7540destiny as far as I'm concerned.2168.3328 
1735DCA_int_012170.5450Your argument is /pretty good/ so [far.]2172.8336
1736DCA_se3_ag1_m_032172.6668[Mm-hm.]2172.9473