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1	DCA_int_01	0.5594	Okay, uh,	1.6700
3		2.1826	do you recall what kind of games you used to play when you were a kid, around	6.1554
5		6.3838	ten years old or so?	7.7268
6	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	8.4017	Ten years old? Marbles,	9.6327
8		9.9312	uh,	10.3182
10		11.9129	mm,	12.5284
12		14.1359	/I don't know/ I guess m-	15.6234
14		15.8899	Baseball, uh- uh- some basketball, uh,	18.9714
16		20.9566	uh, Hide and Go Seek.	22.8544
18		23.4279	Ten years old.	24.3559
19	DCA_int_01	24.3279	<laugh>	24.7289
20	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	25.3153	Uh-	25.4645
22		25.9121	n-	26.1593
24		26.4344	um-	27.2317
25	DCA_int_01	28.4534	Child's games we're interested in [especially.]	31.3677
26	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	30.5983	[Mm-hm.]	31.3024
27	DCA_int_01	32.0392	What about marbles? How [did /we/- how did] that work?	34.5513
28	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	33.3296	[Marbles? We-	34.1270
29		34.6679	we played- I played quite a	36.2206
31		36.4211	bit of marbles. I	37.3864
33		37.7361	considered myself- Oh! Horseshoes! I played quite a bit of horseshoes at that age.	41.0503
35		41.6331	Um, marbles. I thought	43.0879
37		43.2791	uh,	43.7174
39		44.7375	was one of my best games at [that time, yes.] Mm-hm.	47.4513
40	DCA_int_01	46.3228	[Oh yeah?]	46.8870
41		48.0714	How did a kid go about playing marbles?	50.2630
43		50.7421	[/inaudible/]	51.9218
44	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	50.8354	[Well, we]	51.8146
45		52.1456	drew a circle, and uh,	54.1328
47		54.7988	I think you had to knock out the-	57.0405
49		57.3763	j- break the pile- break the bunch, and then you uh,	61.0739
51		61.8200	knocked out individual	63.2644
53		63.7307	marbles, that you wanted. Eh- as I remember. Now, this is- been quite a little while ago, so I don't uh-	69.5068
55		70.2949	[I had a favorite.]	71.4186
56	DCA_int_01	70.3088	[Were the marbles outside?]	71.4932
57	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	71.6564	Pardon?	71.9782
58	DCA_int_01	71.9968	Were the marbles outside of the circle?	73.6242
59	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	73.6708	Marbles were inside the circle, yes. Mm-hm.	76.1736
61		76.8917	Uh, there were um-	78.1181
63		79.7396	/they/ always had a favorite	81.1711
65		81.3576	uh,	81.8099
67		82.8358	shooter. Uh- uh-	83.8616
69		84.0761	and I remember having favorite marbles that I tried to keep you know, when I put 'em in the ring.	88.8924
71		90.4584	But other than that, I don't remember	92.4444
73		92.6216	too much about	93.3723
75		93.5122	um-	93.7773
76	DCA_int_01	94.0337	Was there a special name for your favorite shooter?	96.6310
77	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	97.6370	No, I remember it was blue. It- and it sparkled. Yeah (laughing), but other than that, I don't remember.	103.1066
78	DCA_int_01	103.2884	There wasn't a general name for everybody's favorite shooter /that you recall/?	106.7891
79	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	108.2346	I can't remember, no.	109.8154
80	DCA_int_01	110.4017	How about a glass marble?	111.8332
82		113.3440	Is there a different name?	114.4584
83	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	114.7755	Yes, I did have a uh-	117.0778
85		117.9405	seems I did have one particular one that uh,	121.5212
87		122.2945	was uh,	123.1058
89		124.0617	sort of a	125.0736
91		125.2554	China type	126.0201
93		126.5284	marble, but I /and here again/ I don't remember what we- I called it	129.9358
95		130.1363	at that time.	130.9756
97		131.5538	It was very important to me at the time, but I don't remember now what it- just what it was.	135.5255
98	DCA_int_01	136.2342	Did anybody ever use these uh,	138.1787
100		139.2745	m- metal ball bearings for a marble?	141.9925
101	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	142.2396	No, I don't remember anybody using those.	144.6457
103		145.0180	No.	145.3724
104	DCA_int_01	147.3017	Around New York, they sometimes use that. Call 'em stealies.	150.5564
105	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	150.6869	Oh. [Is that right?]	151.8014
106	DCA_int_01	151.2791	[Stealie.]	151.8200
107	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	152.2956	No- Yeah! Oh yeah. I do remember hearing that, but I don't remember the significance of it. I didn't remember the significance /of it/.	158.6309
108	DCA_int_01	158.5750	/?/ it's a ball bearing.	159.5908
109	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	159.5022	Mm-hm.	159.8705
110	DCA_int_01	160.6959	What about Hide and Seek? How would you /go about/ playing that?	163.2045
111	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	163.1905	Well, we played that quite a bit, now.	165.5022
112		166.1596	I lived in um,	167.3627
114		168.1460	two areas of Washington. One uh, in the Anacostia area	171.7400
116		172.3182	and also in the Northwest near Sibley Hospital off of- off Capital Street.	177.6234
118		178.2669	And in Anacostia, of course, you played it one way. You had uh, open woods. You had uh,	183.6195
120		184.4627	houses um,	185.7357
122		186.7763	apart.	187.3444
124		187.5729	You can go around the houses and around the garages and the sheds and what have you.	192.5610
126		193.1765	And big trees to hide behind, but in uh,	196.0664
128		196.3322	course, living in town, you	198.0535
130		198.6216	hide- hid behind automobiles and um,	201.3436
132		201.9125	in the alleys, and	203.1622
134		203.6051	um,	204.0947
136		204.7149	under the steal	206.5610
138		206.7428	steps uh, you know, the iron steps. We had iron steps on our house. And-	210.7623
140		211.6195	in that general area. I think uh,	213.6281
142		213.9172	most of the houses had the iron stairways and the vestibules. /Up in the uh/	218.1977
144		218.5976	area where you's going into the uh,	220.1083
146		220.5560	basement.	221.0129
148		221.6618	And uh,	222.3939
150		223.9875	oh, we had these couple of big apartment houses and-	227.3067
152		227.6844	that had many little shoots where the- had coal and what have you. We could hide around the behind the-	232.7565
153	DCA_int_01	232.7798	/inaudible/	233.3207
154	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	233.3207	yeah (laughing).	234.2440
155		234.9480	But um,	235.9086
157		236.7841	at uh, I don't know- We had a paper	239.5390
159		240.4072	plant somewhere near	241.7357
161		242.3085	North Capital and Elm,	243.7959
163		244.0571	and uh,	244.5933
165		244.9896	they had skid boxes or skids. Things of that sort in that area, and we used to use those for	250.8505
167		251.7170	uh, hiding behind and what have you.	254.2863
168	DCA_int_01	254.9426	Mm-hm.	255.4602
170		256.1270	Now pretend for a minute that I'm a foreigner, and I've never heard of Hide and Go Seek.	259.8888
171	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	260.1779	Mm-hm.	260.6022
172	DCA_int_01	260.8307	How would you tell me how you play it, s-	262.6080
174		263.4333	start to finish?	264.4351
175	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	264.8688	Well, first you um,	266.7000
177		267.0592	I don't remember exactly how we decided who-	270.1367
179		270.4538	I think we had to race for a	271.8946
181		272.1600	tree.	272.6069
183		273.0405	You race for a tree, and uh,	275.2321
185		275.5911	whoever hits the tree first is	277.4419
187		277.6424	it.	277.8289
189		278.7038	And then after the um,	280.7753
191		282.0778	this beginning,	283.4893
193		283.6927	um,	284.3154
195		284.6475	the person hides their	285.8619
197		286.0904	eyes or the-	287.5233
199		287.7225	close their eyes against the tree	289.8189
201		290.5828	and counts to	292.0531
203		292.5474	twenty one, I believe.	293.6786
205		294.0771	Or ten. I don't remember the number. And then um,	297.2891
207		298.0572	from there, you	299.6721
209		300.0125	would proceed to	301.1167
211		301.5277	try to locate	302.4690
213		302.7222	or try to find the	304.5073
215		304.7564	individuals	306.0225
217		306.3131	that are hiding.	307.4921
218	DCA_int_01	308.1511	They hide while your-	309.1931
219	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	309.3799	While you uh, holding- closing your eyes.	312.1048
221		312.9905	And of course, uh, if you can make it back to the tree,	316.1621
223		316.7931	I- I might be wrong. But I'm- d- I'm- This is vague.	319.8515
225		320.6320	Um,	321.1841
227		321.3917	if you make it back to the tree before the person that uh,	324.6951
229		324.9773	um,	325.4298
231		326.4178	you find,	327.3187
233		327.7836	you um,	328.7758
235		329.5676	that person will be it next time. In other words,	331.9546
237		332.0501	uh, he's out.	333.1112
238	DCA_int_01	333.2977	Mm.	333.6152
239	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	333.8508	And uh, if this is the- as I said- this is a-	337.1528
241		337.5305	long time [ago since I played it. <laugh>]	339.4259
242	DCA_int_01	338.0187	[/It's hard to remember/.]	339.2184
243		340.0269	These kids game.	341.2598
244	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	341.3304	[Mm-hm.]	341.8119
245	DCA_int_01	341.3843	[That's] good.	342.1980
246		344.8870	Uh, was there any- uh- uh- Did a person want to be it? Or did- was that a bad thing?	349.3870
247	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	350.2712	Um, most	351.1672
249		351.3703	of the time, as far as I can remember, uh,	354.3468
251		355.1179	it was more fun to hide than it was to be it.	357.1686
252	DCA_int_01	357.1765	Mm-hm.	357.7332
253	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	357.9989	But uh, of course, some people didn't mind as much as others, if I can remember, but uh,	363.3779
255		364.4946	it wasn't a s-	365.2667
257		366.1747	stigma or anything of that sort. You just tried not to get caught.	369.9650
259		370.1061	/?/	370.5379
261		371.0028	more or less.	371.5259
263		372.6125	[Mm.]	372.8533
264	DCA_int_01	372.6208	[Did you] ever use any rhymes to decide who was it?	375.6222
265	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	376.8250	[No.]	377.8960
266	DCA_int_01	377.4975	[One potato], two potato?	379.1746
267		379.6271	Engine Engine, or?	381.0552
268	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	381.2046	Uh,	381.9851
269	DCA_int_01	381.8429	/inaudible/	382.9531
270	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	384.1842	no, I can't remember that, you know, we might have, but- but- you know, on different occasions but I don't remember. I think it was most of the time, it was racing for the-	392.4650
271	DCA_int_01	392.8874	Racing for the-?	393.3275
272	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	393.8298	uh, tree, or lamp post, or	395.9345
274		397.5742	whatever the object was that we used for	399.6779
276		401.8250	base.	402.3846
278		403.9403	Mm.	404.3471
279	DCA_int_01	404.7207	Did- was there any other	406.3273
281		406.7631	games that you played as you grew up older than that?	409.4645
283		410.5190	Was it more athletics or?	411.9388
284	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	412.2667	No.	412.6113
286		412.7773	Well I played quite a bit of basketball in uh,	415.5037
288		416.0807	my	416.5332
290		416.7657	growing years. We used to play in a	418.9036
292		419.8003	little park up in- on New York Avenue. New York and uh	422.9543
294		423.9672	First Street.	424.6220
296		425.5519	And we um,	426.6737
298		426.8975	played	427.3993
300		428.1672	baseball and, we weren't supposed to, but we played baseball. And then we um,	433.4550
302		435.0408	we played baseball in the parking lot behind the paper	438.8136
303	DCA_int_01	439.2798	Mm-hm.	439.6575
304	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	439.9050	uh, place. And then we played it on the playground.	442.9054
305	DCA_int_01	443.2235	[Mm-hm.]	443.5965
306	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	443.2541	[And] then uh, we'd	444.2338
307		445.0599	j- I competed for track, and I think for awhile boxing was quite a thing.	450.4058
308	DCA_int_01	450.6631	Mm-hm.	451.0451
309	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	451.0783	Um,	451.6885
311		451.9407	twelve, thirteen, I think uh, we went through a period of uh,	455.3614
313		455.9675	learning how to box at that time. We had some /money/- um,	459.4037
315		460.8442	/Mighty Mel/ I think was uh quite active at that time. And he used to uh,	465.9700
317		466.4931	train. He was in a wheelchair himself and he used to train young fellas to box. He has one very famous boxer here, uh,	473.4081
319		473.7599	/Mugsy Hersey/.	474.7480
321		474.8476	Um, /??/	475.5575
323		476.1179	you heard that name, but anyhow.	477.9403
325		478.8775	Quite a few people trained under him,	480.6916
327		480.9490	and he used to go around to the different playgrounds,	483.4854
328	DCA_int_01	483.5601	Mm-hm.	483.9669
329	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	484.0033	and	484.3520
331		485.5600	I remember	486.6227
333		487.7726	getting socked in the eye, [/unintelligible/] something of that sort several times.	491.2213
334	DCA_int_01	489.0502	<laugh>	489.4487
335	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	491.5701	I didn't particularly like boxing too much. However, I did	494.2725
337		494.7448	uh, practice quite a bit or go up and train.	497.3891
339		497.8831	Be- Use the uh,	499.4648
341		500.2608	medicine ball I guess you call it. [And it] uh, strengthened the muscles in your stomach.	504.6934
342	DCA_int_01	501.8632	[Mm-hm.]	502.2617
343	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	505.7104	And then I did a little tumbling, and	507.4042
345		507.5868	little later years, I had a couple friends that were interested in tumbling, and uh, we	512.5051
347		513.1568	used to tumble.	514.0742
349		515.2325	I had quite a few trains, and um,	517.6004
351		518.5610	and	518.8221
353		519.0755	I made aeroplanes and things of that sort. I can remember doing that through the years. Uh,	523.3877
355		523.6243	trains and aeroplanes, and	525.4982
357		526.0943	we made the planes out of the balsa wood.	528.7709
358	DCA_int_01	528.8000	Yeah.	529.2815
359	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	529.2857	Things of that sort.	530.3899
360	DCA_int_01	531.4775	Did you /play in art/?	532.8589
361	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	532.8796	Well it did, and it got quite expensive and /crazy/ (laughing).	535.9101
363		536.7320	But um,	537.6649
365		538.7665	generally, we had	540.7073
367		542.0364	uh, kites. I can remember playing with qu- quite- kites	545.5722
369		545.9276	quite a bit.	546.4482
371		547.3490	And um,	548.3483
373		550.1210	we had an area down on um,	552.1344
375		552.9968	right on Anacostia River	554.7030
377		554.8566	that uh, we	555.7907
379		556.1062	did quite a bit	557.2851
381		557.6504	as far as kite flying and	559.3498
383		560.4681	things of that sort.	561.7966
384	DCA_int_01	562.4039	Mm-hm.	562.7680
385	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	562.7638	Mm-hm.	563.2288
386	DCA_int_01	563.8587	Good.	564.2323
388		564.8426	That's quite a run down.	566.1129
389	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	566.0838	Mm-hm.	566.5820
390	DCA_int_01	566.8352	/Delved in/ a lot of things.	568.1346
391	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	568.1429	Yeah.	568.5621
392	DCA_int_01	568.6161	Um,	569.0146
394		569.9103	do you watch television?	571.1806
395	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	572.1727	Occasionally. Yes, mm-hm.	573.9619
396	DCA_int_01	574.0699	Do you have any favorite programs?	575.9162
397	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	576.5679	Mm- I don't-	577.1076
398	DCA_int_01	577.1616	Show that you particularly like?	578.6353
399	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	578.6685	Well, I was watching Ironside there for awhile. I used to watch Perry Mason,	582.3621
401		583.0922	uh, regularly. I haven't watched that for quite some time now. I don't even know when it's on now.	587.7785
403		588.2767	Uh, now we have the comedy shows. Jonathan Winner- Winters, that uh, I watch mainly because uh, someone else is watching them and I happen to be there.	596.3418
405		596.9467	Um,	597.6026
407		599.4623	the uh-	600.6164
409		602.0185	overall, I don't	603.1892
411		603.4756	um, have a program that I have to see every week.	607.3124
413		607.3893	I used to, at one time. Gun Smoke and things of that sort.	610.7199
415		611.2583	But uh, now I maybe watch about three hours of television a week at the most.	615.7323
416	DCA_int_01	615.6867	Oh.	616.0354
417	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	616.7120	Mm-hm.	617.1442
418	DCA_int_01	618.1307	Cut it down a little huh?	619.2599
419	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	619.2848	Yeah. /That's right/.	620.1109
420	DCA_int_01	619.6890	Um,	620.1941
421		620.9702	is there an adventure story or anything that	623.8670
423		624.3899	with a story in it that you can /?/ relate?	627.2169
425		628.0544	See, what I'm after is I would like you to tell me an episode	630.6697
427		631.7408	of a- a story like Gun Smoke or Perry Mason.	634.9072
428	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	637.8546	No, um,	639.1569
430		639.6718	in uh,	640.4108
432		643.6280	I remember one Alfred Hitchcock [<laugh> but uh, well, that] was I thought it was interesting because of the um,	651.1357
433	DCA_int_01	646.4997	[Yeah? Tell me /about that one/.]	648.3519
434	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	651.9825	irony in the	653.2528
436		653.3898	show. I don't know whether you remember seeing this or not but it was case of a	657.6189
438		658.5281	woman who,	659.4621
440		660.1502	her husband happened to be a police man (laughing). I don't know why I remember this one so well, but her husband happened to be a police man.	665.0653
442		665.8577	And um,	666.7866
444		667.0943	he came in, and um,	668.7880
446		669.7221	he was leaving his wife	671.1163
448		671.5434	for some reason or another, and his wife	673.5402
450		673.8059	very uh,	674.8230
452		675.7394	um,	676.3828
454		678.0765	plainly, or	679.0521
456		679.1932	d- very- just	680.5839
458		680.7998	solemnly	681.8252
460		682.2725	prepared his dinner.	683.8583
462		684.3108	And then uh,	685.4980
464		686.8171	preparation of his dinner, she got a lamb- frozen lamb leg out of the	690.8024
466		691.1096	freezer.	691.4885
468		692.5241	And he was talking to someone on the telephone telling them that he was going to meet them,	696.7709
470		697.1694	and she	698.0319
472		698.2560	evidently hit him over the head with the lamb leg.	701.4193
474		702.0711	And when the-	703.0881
476		703.4317	his	704.0585
478		704.4031	co-workers, other policeman, came to investigate the case,	707.6120
480		708.3873	um,	709.0639
482		709.8278	she-	710.6705
484		711.1769	they couldn't find the murder weapon.	712.5967
486		713.5878	But,	713.8743
488		714.2479	they sat down and ate lunch	715.7555
490		715.8752	or dinner,	716.4937
492		717.1081	and they were eating the	718.3493
494		718.5818	evidence. They were eating the mur- murder weap- murder [weapon! <laugh>]	722.0388
495	DCA_int_01	720.9387	[Oh! <laugh>]	721.7607
496		722.2547	/unintelligible/	723.0019
497	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	722.9895	So, uh I do remember that one. Now, something else I- I-	726.3468
498	DCA_int_01	726.6166	/Yeah/.	726.9057
499	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	726.9944	I like westerns, uh, generally. But I see 'em and forget 'em generally. It's just for relaxation.	732.1784
501		732.5437	I find that westerns are the most relaxing	734.8081
502	DCA_int_01	735.0625	Mm-hm.	735.4901
503	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	735.3780	of uh-	736.2023
504		737.0053	mm.	737.3997
505	DCA_int_01	737.0053	[Don't] have to concentrate.	738.3566
506	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	738.6118	Takes you out of the realm of reality so to speak.	740.9895
508		741.1888	Mm-hm.	741.7077
509	DCA_int_01	743.1025	/unintelligible/	743.8788
511		744.4351	Um, I don't wonder that you remember that one (laughing).	746.6425
512	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	746.6342	Yeah, that's- it's gruesome, isn't it? <laugh>	748.9507
513	DCA_int_01	749.6522	Most of his are.	750.5489
514	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	750.7938	Mm-hm.	751.2629
515	DCA_int_01	752.4284	Have you been to a movie recently?	754.2093
516	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	754.3505	Yes, I saw um,	756.0732
518		757.8739	uh, Guns of San Sebastian, uh,	760.5390
519	DCA_int_01	761.7875	[What's that] about?]	762.6967
520	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	761.7917	[I]-	762.2193
521		762.9167	Um, that was story of a	765.2082
523		766.2490	bandit I guess, in those days, uh,	769.2671
525		769.5536	that was befriended. He was injured.	772.0309
527		772.5207	He was being chased by the Mexican	774.8039
529		775.4557	police I believe.	776.4063
531		777.0083	Um, Mexican	777.9247
533		778.4975	Guard or police,	779.8260
535		780.3532	and uh, he was injured. And he was-	782.5990
537		782.8803	went into a church. He rode his horse into a church to	786.4919
539		787.7207	um,	788.0714
541		788.2113	for looking for a sanction, and uh,	790.5840
543		791.5679	a priest, an old priest, befriended him.	794.0658
545		794.2901	And um,	795.0872
547		796.3284	they wanted the-	797.6402
549		797.9142	the police- the authorities wanted the bandit	800.9644
551		801.1429	back, and the priest wouldn't	802.6000
553		802.7494	uh, relinquish him because of the	805.5911
555		806.1600	sanctuary- sanctuary-	807.8503
557		808.3776	of the church.	809.1582
559		810.3152	And uh,	811.1869
561		811.8678	finally, they exiled the pr- the old priest to a	815.4326
563		816.1799	area way out in the middle of the desert somewheres, but uh,	819.7002
565		820.7578	with the name San Sebastian.	822.5096
566	DCA_int_01	822.5677	Mm-hm.	823.1033
567	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	823.5267	And um,	824.4898
569		825.6843	the um,	826.5353
571		827.1539	priest was killed almost immediately as soon as he got there, and	830.5206
573		831.0395	the	831.5906
575		832.2257	people of the area	833.5292
577		833.8780	were	834.4591
579		835.1275	being uh,	836.1653
581		837.7874	victimized, I guess, by the	840.0298
583		840.3379	uh-	840.8788
585		841.2496	combination of the Indians and by someone else in the area that uh, was-	845.5659
587		846.8777	would take their uh, crops as soon as they were harvested.	850.2891
589		851.1567	So they looked	852.0700
591		852.6377	to the church for leadership.	854.7475
593		855.0247	And uh, by this time, actor Tony Quinn, uh, who happened to be the bandit,	860.0093
595		860.7732	uh, was, um,	862.2956
597		863.9230	thought to be the priest, and he was of course	867.1651
599		867.3478	uh, far from a priest.	869.0903
601		869.7545	And uh, he showed the people how to uh,	873.0673
603		873.5654	build. He liked being called a priest. He liked being looked up to, so consequently, he fell into the-	878.8853
605		879.8650	After	880.6206
607		880.9344	trying very hard	882.3810
609		883.2649	to get out of it, supposedly, uh, he decided to uh,	887.4069
611		887.9424	try to teach the people how to live, how to de- defend themselves.	891.6028
613		892.5120	And through hook and crook, he managed to get uh,	895.6368
615		896.1309	dams built and the s- crops harvested,	900.0372
617		900.6464	and um,	901.6220
619		902.3152	of course, there was a love scene here and there, in there, with uh,	905.7644
621		906.0442	Tony Quinn.	906.5984
623		907.3331	And uh, finally, um,	909.2469
625		910.7123	I think he got-	911.4753
627		911.7781	He blackmailed the governor, through his wife, to give them guns and when the	916.6383
629		917.1115	Indians and the bandits came back in to attack them this time, he was prepared to defend the	923.9276
631		924.4334	town.	924.9896
633		926.2516	And of course, it has a happy ending. The b- the band- the uh, authorities were still looking for him, and he wasn't able to stay in the town. They still chased him out of town, [but (laughing)-]	934.7763
634	DCA_int_01	934.0748	[<laugh>]	934.8469
635	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	935.8557	But I thought that was very interesting. I have- the most recent film that I saw was um,	940.7479
637		941.4879	uh,	942.1231
639		944.0317	Capote's um,	945.4182
640	DCA_int_01	946.4975	In Cold Blood.	947.3070
641	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	947.2406	In Cold Blood. Yeah, this left me kind of cold. [But uh- <laugh>]	950.4361
642	DCA_int_01	949.8009	[<laugh>]	950.4693
643		950.6104	You didn't like [it?]	951.3210
644	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	951.0629	[Uh], well, um,	952.5008
645		952.9269	it- it- I had mixed emotions about it. It- it-	955.5619
647		956.4005	you felt sorry for the individual, one individual, but at the same time, you- you could see so many things in the,	962.5423
649		963.0540	a family, that knowing, when they close their	966.1705
651		966.4279	shades at night and lock their doors, just put-	969.1014
653		969.9929	having no idea what	971.6077
655		971.8942	was in store for them. And uh,	974.1317
657		974.8291	so you had- I had mixed emotions about it. I th-	977.0158
659		977.2607	thought that the man who did the murdering was	979.7217
661		979.8243	completely sick.	980.6856
663		981.5688	Course, this was supposed to have been taken from a true story, and you wonder how much Hollywood had to do with the uh,	987.9524
665		988.8366	glorifying the individuals that uh,	991.7082
667		992.6133	perform the murder.	993.8089
669		994.8425	So I d- I uh,	996.4408
671		996.8964	I'm still thinking about that moment. <laugh>	999.8189
673		1000.0929	[Uh-huh.]	1000.5329
674	DCA_int_01	1000.2548	[I've only] read the book.	1001.3922
675	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1001.6828	Yeah [I did, too.]	1002.5162
676	DCA_int_01	1001.8147	[/Didn't really do anything] for me/.	1002.9853
677	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1003.1348	Yeah, it- [it- it's-]	1004.2307
678	DCA_int_01	1003.6869	[Is it close] to the book? /inaudible/	1005.5775
679	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1005.5550	Uh, I think	1006.4075
680		1006.6640	the book is a little uh,	1008.2260
682		1008.8625	more descriptive, much more descriptive,	1010.9465
684		1011.5027	than the movie. Of course, they couldn't show a lot of the things that they	1015.5326
686		1015.9602	um,	1016.2881
688		1016.6036	it was g- very gruesome	1017.8117
690		1018.2465	uh, in the book.	1019.1681
692		1019.3757	The description of the um,	1021.0860
694		1021.7461	bodies and	1022.6869
695	DCA_int_01	1022.9480	Mm.	1023.1700
696	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1023.2156	just what they did do,	1024.5762
698		1025.3899	and the	1026.0167
700		1026.1952	movies of course, glazed over top of that	1028.7195
702		1029.3304	to-	1029.7034
704		1031.0556	to a certain degree.	1031.9811
705	DCA_int_01	1034.7947	Hm.	1035.1019
707		1038.2278	/Have to figure that one out/.	1039.4026
708	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1039.2158	Yeah. <laugh>	1040.1446
709		1041.5436	I don't do as much reading as I used to. I used to read quite a bit. I liked um,	1046.8770
711		1047.2465	Kenneth Roberts, uh,	1048.5043
713		1049.4342	and I liked also um,	1051.2099
715		1052.7625	Frank Slaughter,	1053.5928
717		1053.7630	the MD that, you know, wrote about Fort Everglades, and I think he	1057.3653
719		1057.9672	written several modern novels about doctors and what have you.	1061.6110
721		1062.0344	I don't know why I'm	1063.1388
723		1063.6844	interested	1064.4879
725		1064.9902	in um,	1065.6502
727		1066.3674	I think it's the life and the excitement of-	1069.4601
729		1069.9582	that you see, or that you hear about in the books. And I of course, I knew	1073.7141
731		1073.9051	too many doctors that don't have that type of excitement, you know.	1076.7195
733		1077.2625	But, uh, of course, /there's just a/-	1079.4668
735		1080.0209	I-	1080.3012
737		1080.6291	his description	1081.6670
739		1081.8953	was very vivid, and um,	1083.8993
741		1084.1650	I liked his work very much.	1085.5474
743		1085.7633	Have you ever read any Frank Slaughter?	1087.1249
745		1087.5722	[Mm. You haven't?] Huh.	1088.7678
746	DCA_int_01	1087.5930	[No, I haven't.]	1088.3485
747	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1090.1377	Mm-hm.	1090.4698
748	DCA_int_01	1090.4324	My wife probably has. [She's a] great reader.	1092.6270
749	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1091.4246	[Yeah.]	1091.7650
750		1092.8765	Uh-huh.	1093.3249
752		1094.1510	Mm-hm.	1094.5329
753	DCA_int_01	1094.7322	Forget /we're not limited/ technical stuff [these days.]	1097.2520
754	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1096.5421	[Yeah.]	1097.0071
755		1097.4056	Mm-hm.	1097.8705
756	DCA_int_01	1098.5130	You say you have a dog? Uh-	1099.9078
757	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1100.1112	Yes, I have a	1101.3607
759		1101.8298	small mutt.	1102.5940
761		1102.8511	Um,	1103.3824
763		1103.8422	well he's actually, he was supposed to have been a cocker when we got him, but	1107.6697
765		1108.6618	immediately when I noticed there's three colors. Uh,	1111.9187
767		1112.0068	very rarely do you see a cocker with more than	1114.4681
769		1115.0030	two colors. Matter of fact, I've never heard of a cocker with more than two colors.	1118.2576
771		1119.2373	But uh, he's been with us for twelve years. Uh, he's like part of the family now.	1124.2510
773		1124.7948	Mm-hm.	1125.2503
774	DCA_int_01	1125.3086	We had a dog thirteen years.	1126.9151
775	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1127.1559	[Thirteen?]	1127.8948
776	DCA_int_01	1127.1932	[/inaudible/]	1127.7703
777	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1128.0816	Is that right? Oh.	1129.0489
778	DCA_int_01	1129.6840	/Sad huh/?	1130.3731
779	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1130.7706	[Mm-hm.]	1131.3809
780	DCA_int_01	1130.7789	[What's his name?]	1131.4764
781	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1131.7794	Skippy.	1132.2443
783		1133.1078	He's- knows how to play ball, and	1135.1918
785		1135.8840	uh, shake.	1137.2166
787		1138.4287	He jumps through the hoop.	1139.7530
789		1141.9148	He can- He's smart little dog for- and I think this is maybe because he is a mutt that he's so smart. But he has quite a lot of um,	1149.7431
791		1150.4779	sense for a little dog.	1151.7316
793		1151.9547	And he's very small. Uh, not more than	1154.8191
795		1155.5580	ten or twelve pounds or something of that sort.	1157.3296
797		1158.5667	And,	1158.9818
799		1159.2932	he's been a lot of company for the children. I have two daughters and uh,	1163.4706
801		1164.3567	he's been a lot of company for the children.	1166.3452
803		1166.6441	Mm-hm.	1167.1132
805		1167.4577	Mm-hm.	1167.8978
806	DCA_int_01	1168.1790	He ever done anything funny or amusing?	1170.3751
808		1170.9441	That you recall?	1171.8571
809	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1172.1726	The dog?	1172.7818
810	DCA_int_01	1172.8150	Yeah.	1173.1513
811	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1174.4797	Well, uh,	1175.5881
813		1176.5968	/mm, other than/,	1177.7083
815		1178.2439	you give him a bath, and he goes out and	1179.9365
817		1180.3003	rolls in the dirt. Uh,	1182.5011
819		1183.8346	he's an- a number of times,	1185.5948
821		1185.9808	torn paper of course, out of the um,	1188.3844
823		1188.7321	trash basket, and his	1190.0066
825		1190.1643	da- soon- no sooner than you walk into the room, he knows that he's wrong. And he [cowers down] and looks up at you with his big eyes, [and you can't spank him.]	1198.4119
826	DCA_int_01	1194.5595	[Mm-hm.]	1194.9871
828		1197.0752	<laugh>	1198.5074
829		1199.4446	/Little birdseed, huh?/	1200.5011
830	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1200.3869	Mm-hm.	1200.9971
831		1201.8814	But I think he does it sometimes just to get attention.	1204.5953
833		1204.8485	I really do. /But/-	1205.8573
834	DCA_int_01	1206.4011	Well, they're smart [/to do/] things like that.	1208.8594
835	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1207.4680	[Mm-hm.]	1208.0575
836		1209.0372	Mm-hm.	1209.5893
837	DCA_int_01	1210.9416	Do you feed him, uh, canned dog food?	1212.8304
838	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1213.1252	No, he's on um,	1214.7151
840		1215.3461	um,	1215.8142
842		1216.2376	m-	1216.4203
844		1216.7275	dry food diet. He	1218.5042
846		1218.7325	uh, eats	1219.4092
848		1219.6500	Purina's, um,	1220.9244
850		1222.3640	Purina Dog Chow, I believe,	1223.8856
852		1224.7219	And he's been eating this now for the last five or six years. We've tried Gravy Train and a few other things, but he	1230.6448
854		1231.2384	leaves it, so we go back to the Purina Dog Chow. My children always uh,	1236.6216
856		1237.9334	give me a hard time about feeding him the same old thing, but	1241.9301
858		1242.7603	he eats it, and he seems to be thriving off of it,	1245.2210
860		1245.8480	so we-	1246.3917
861	DCA_int_01	1246.8898	Worked twelve years, it can't be /harmful/.	1248.9572
862	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1248.9530	Yeah, well he had some kidney damage some years ago. I don't know. I think he	1253.3939
863		1253.7135	had some difficulty with his-	1255.3606
865		1255.6387	one of his glands	1256.6475
867		1257.2369	and um,	1258.1046
869		1258.4201	the doctor told us to feed him uh,	1260.4864
871		1261.1257	dry food because the	1262.6201
873		1263.0851	beef or meat,	1264.1810
875		1264.6875	uh,	1265.1016
877		1265.8613	didn't do his kidneys any good. So,	1267.8705
879		1268.3147	from that time on,	1269.7510
881		1270.0873	we haven't had any difficulty with him eating or with his	1272.6891
883		1273.1997	other trouble.	1273.9802
884	DCA_int_01	1274.1213	Huh.	1274.4285
886		1274.6236	/Is that right/?	1275.2961
887	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1275.3252	Mm-hm.	1275.8566
888	DCA_int_01	1278.2010	Hm, that's good. Do you remember	1280.0732
890		1281.1059	your grammar school, the things you studied there?	1284.1031
891	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1286.2110	Um,	1286.6884
893		1286.9416	vaguely.	1287.5726
895		1287.8964	We, um-	1288.7308
897		1289.2539	I went to uh,	1290.5657
899		1290.7193	/James D. Burnie/ out in Southeast,	1292.8312
901		1293.7196	and um,	1294.7118
903		1295.5752	oh, regular science,	1297.2804
905		1297.5876	general science, I guess.	1299.1159
907		1299.1941	The- I remember a history teacher,	1301.1743
909		1301.4857	third grade, I remember.	1302.7217
911		1305.2249	I remember some phases of learning to write.	1307.3836
913		1308.1672	Uh, Geography, and	1310.2968
915		1312.4804	some of the uh,	1313.5627
917		1314.2312	/general ??/.	1314.9867
919		1315.7838	It's hard right now because uh,	1317.7349
921		1318.2413	I've helped my children with their homework, and I d- don't know whether some of these things I've learned in school when I was	1323.8819
923		1324.8730	going to school myself, or one- some of the things that I've helped them with in recent years.	1329.4218
925		1330.1068	But, I do know that we had Geography, Div- Division, Mathematics, uh,	1334.9379
927		1335.3073	Handwriting,	1336.2629
929		1336.8890	Physical Education. The same	1338.6865
931		1339.1971	general things that they seem to be having in school now.	1342.2210
933		1342.8866	Uh, we did concentrate possibly a little more on Handwriting and uh,	1347.1531
935		1347.6844	maybe I'd- they- I concentrated more because-	1350.6848
937		1351.2120	my father	1351.9302
939		1352.4242	very rarely ever, uh	1354.0681
941		1355.0187	wrote long hand.	1356.0234
943		1356.2340	He printed most of the time.	1357.7244
945		1358.2018	And I had a	1359.1275
947		1359.9370	combination of printing and writing,	1361.9535
949		1362.1943	and it was very difficult for me in school because the teachers wanted us to	1366.6849
951		1366.9631	write, and I was	1368.4219
953		1368.6402	constantly	1369.3625
955		1370.1181	trying to print like my father, so it was a	1373.1350
957		1374.0675	a struggle, right straight on through. <laugh>	1376.2568
958	DCA_int_01	1376.2153	<laugh>	1376.5284
959	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1377.3268	Hm.	1377.7295
960	DCA_int_01	1377.9910	I can remember penmanship, but in my [case, it didn't] do much [good. <laugh>]	1381.9929
961	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1380.0002	[Yeah.]	1380.3822
963		1381.1958	[No. <laugh>]	1381.9389
964	DCA_int_01	1382.5703	/What use is it these days, right?/	1384.3003
965	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1384.2350	Mm.	1384.4681
966	DCA_int_01	1384.7151	/inaudible/	1385.7695
968		1386.0020	Do you remember what the kids would do after school was out?	1388.7159
969	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1390.6961	Generally? Um, well, I was on the	1393.9455
971		1394.8339	Patrol for awhile. I can remember that, but uh,	1398.2836
973		1398.8015	generally, we ran home and changed our clothes, and	1401.9938
975		1402.8324	started to going into our	1405.0829
977		1405.7310	general every evening	1407.6302
979		1408.2695	playing.	1408.8175
980	DCA_int_01	1409.0044	Mm-hm.	1409.5266
981	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1409.6758	Um,	1410.2362
983		1411.4277	now, do you mean uh- there were a few fights [after school. <laugh>]	1415.0090
984	DCA_int_01	1413.8645	[<laugh>]	1415.0547
985	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1415.4380	Um, I can remember that, yeah, um,	1417.9689
987		1418.3093	on occasion.	1419.0980
989		1419.7166	Um-	1420.4887
990	DCA_int_01	1421.3273	Did kids play /unintelligible/?	1423.0327
991	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1423.0293	Generally. Something that	1424.8175
992		1425.1413	maybe started in school. I remember one particular time,	1428.3917
994		1429.1753	I was sitting in class, and I was leaning back in the chair,	1431.9318
996		1432.2556	and this was in elementary school. And,	1434.3935
998		1435.0484	the guys would uh, trip the back of the chair, and knock the chair from under you, [you know.]	1439.6553
999	DCA_int_01	1439.0450	[<laugh>]	1439.9500
1000	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1440.1244	And I think this particular day, I was caught	1442.7853
1002		1443.6447	w- by someone who kicked the chair out from under me, and uh,	1446.6877
1004		1447.7783	we uh-	1448.8784
1006		1449.4803	the teacher immediately caught me.	1451.3100
1008		1451.5965	And uh, reprimanded me, and I made up my mind, well, I'm'a take care of this after [school you know. <laugh>]	1457.8182
1009	DCA_int_01	1456.3487	[<laugh>]	1457.3284
1010	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1458.4451	And uh, so we	1459.9312
1012		1460.7283	had our little tussle, but, there again, it was general. By then-	1464.3472
1014		1464.6835	l- later on that evening, by the time we got to the playground, we were	1467.6838
1016		1467.9619	completely over it. We forgotten all about what we were fighting about.	1470.5851
1018		1471.0962	Mm-hm.	1471.4241
1019	DCA_int_01	1471.9960	Kids are great [that way.]	1473.3285
1020	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1472.7930	[Yeah.] <laugh>	1474.4909
1021		1474.6943	But I remember this particular time because we had visitors from uh-	1478.4211
1023		1479.1020	I don't know whether the	1480.0651
1025		1480.1510	s-	1480.5754
1027		1480.6779	s- supervisor or something of that sort was	1482.9115
1029		1483.0447	visiting the school.	1484.2900
1031		1484.7799	And evidently,	1485.7554
1033		1486.5899	I don't remember exactly whether	1488.1662
1035		1488.5150	the supervisor walked in just as	1490.6571
1037		1490.9062	my chair was clipped from under me. I just /?/ but it was very close to the-	1494.6597
1039		1495.1976	and it was very embarrassing to me and the teacher,	1497.6053
1041		1497.9125	now that I think back on it (laughing).	1499.5313
1042	DCA_int_01	1499.5546	Mm-hm.	1500.0536
1043	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1500.3109	Huh.	1500.6804
1044	DCA_int_01	1500.7856	Mm.	1501.1400
1046		1502.9917	Do kids do the same sorts of things today, as far you know?	1506.1217
1047	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1507.4377	<ts> Well, my kids say that I'm old fashioned, and uh, I don't really-	1512.0570
1049		1512.8209	I don't know. Maybe they do, but th- they seem to be a little more-	1516.6889
1051		1518.1211	The type of fighting that we did generally, as far as I could see, was, as I said, uh	1523.1769
1053		1524.3677	taking care of something that you couldn't do during school time, and that was the end of it. But now, they seem to be a little rougher than we were. We were just	1531.5474
1055		1532.2282	wanting to, you know,	1533.3159
1057		1533.5027	punch each other and /laugh/, you know, in the mouth or something, that's it. But we didn't really want to hurt anybody.	1537.9269
1059		1538.1096	But now, they seem to be-	1539.6082
1061		1540.1354	I don't know whether they learn more from television or just what it is.	1543.2063
1063		1543.3392	But when they fight now, from what I've seen, you know, in riding along after school,	1547.3815
1065		1547.7676	they seem to be a little	1548.7483
1067		1549.8054	more bent on destruction. [<laugh>]	1552.7244
1068	DCA_int_01	1551.6352	[<laugh>]	1552.3721
1069		1552.7386	/inaudible/	1553.4660
1070	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1553.5404	Oh.	1554.1156
1071	DCA_int_01	1555.2219	You ever have a teacher that hollered a lot?	1557.0085
1072	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1558.1229	Um,	1558.8949
1074		1559.1609	yeah. I-	1559.9589
1076		1560.3939	I've had-	1561.2027
1078		1563.4989	Yeah, I had one that uh, hollered a lot, but now I can't remember	1567.3597
1080		1568.6853	too much about	1569.4725
1082		1570.0477	the teacher. I did have one that was very very um,	1572.8042
1084		1574.0909	rough spoken, but it was a v- she was a very good teacher.	1577.4125
1086		1577.6992	She was an excellent teacher.	1578.9071
1088		1579.7123	And um, I got a lot from her.	1582.0165
1090		1582.5836	But she- When I say rough spoken, she was v- Her voice was very heavy. She e- when she lambasted you, she	1588.6723
1092		1589.0102	really tore into you.	1590.1747
1093	DCA_int_01	1590.1606	/inaudible/	1590.6177
1094	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1591.6659	But um,	1592.4677
1096		1593.3950	I'm not-	1593.8910
1098		1594.4267	Overall- I can't	1595.7639
1100		1597.2513	remember too much about uh,	1599.2176
1102		1600.3563	individual-	1601.2801
1104		1602.1501	Let- There were certain teachers that I do remember	1604.8641
1106		1605.5930	for certain [things.]	1606.8332
1107	DCA_int_01	1606.6247	[Mm-hm.]	1606.9857
1108	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1607.0740	And um,	1607.9763
1110		1608.1705	I remember I had a grandma teacher that uh,	1610.7542
1112		1611.8147	uh, we d- could never make it. I- I had to take my homework for my grandma twice	1615.9514
1114		1616.1671	because- <laugh>	1617.3024
1116		1617.9412	/how was it/- I think it was a combination of two things. One thing, uh, it was nine o'clock in the morning, and this particular year	1623.9179
1118		1624.5735	uh, was um, I couldn't seem to make it to school on time.	1627.5494
1120		1628.2899	And that number	1629.5085
1122		1630.4567	two, uh, I think we- Somewhere along the line, we cross	1634.3211
1124		1634.7911	each other. I crossed her evidently.	1636.6712
1126		1637.5986	But, uh, the second	1638.8280
1128		1639.2621	semester-	1640.0530
1130		1640.2723	I took it from her again, and the second semester,	1642.5729
1132		1643.1876	I had no difficulty- I mean um, I	1644.9841
1134		1645.1818	went right through the course, and uh, we got to be great friends. And I've seen her since then,	1649.3473
1135	DCA_int_01	1649.6385	Hm.	1649.8542
1136	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1649.9656	and um, we've chatted about	1652.2519
1138		1652.4595	what	1652.7039
1140		1652.9340	you know,	1653.4236
1142		1653.8713	what transpired during the	1655.5870
1144		1656.5036	past ten, fifteen years or so.	1658.3756
1146		1658.8537	Mm-hm.	1659.2887
1147	DCA_int_01	1660.5541	You, uh, recall	1661.6037
1149		1661.8374	uh, any time that you in particular	1663.7957
1151		1664.8166	singled out for a lambasting?	1666.8620
1152	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1668.6693	Um,	1669.4458
1154		1672.0978	n- this particular time, the- the chair incident,	1674.8155
1156		1675.0420	and um,	1676.0988
1158		1676.5473	I remember one other time I was struck by a teacher.	1679.7574
1159	DCA_int_01	1679.9479	Ooh.	1680.5231
1160	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1680.6444	And- <laugh>	1682.6827
1162		1682.9056	but, um,	1683.9804
1164		1684.4981	here again, I've	1685.4543
1166		1685.5756	seen him since then, and uh,	1687.5096
1168		1687.8799	we get along very nice. Matter of fact, he reminded of it (laughing).	1690.9633
1169	DCA_int_01	1690.9885	<laugh>	1691.6139
1170	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1691.5888	But um,	1692.5058
1171		1693.7888	he d- When he struck me, he didn't uh,	1696.7132
1173		1697.3647	hurt me. I think at that particular time, I needed to be struck. I was way out of line. I think I was	1702.0011
1175		1702.6410	playing with the little girl in front of me or something of that sort, and I think he	1706.6590
1177		1707.0724	hadn't	1707.4463
1179		1707.6153	moved me over there because I was in trouble on that side of the room. And the- this was right /the fourth grade/.	1712.1438
1181		1713.2393	And uh, I remember him coming over and grabbing me by the shoulder or something of that sort, and	1718.2113
1182	DCA_int_01	1719.5355	[<laugh>]	1720.4168
1183	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1719.5796	[sort of] pushing me on over the other side of the room, but uh, here again. I didn't uh, hold any- and I dare not tell my father, or my parents, [because] uh,	1727.6409
1184	DCA_int_01	1726.8788	[Hm.]	1727.2132
1185	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1728.9746	uh, that was unheard of in those days. If the teacher had speaked to- If the teacher spoke to you, you were wrong	1734.3371
1187		1734.4306	regardless [of what you- did- you- It could] be the teacher that [was wrong] <laugh> but in this case,	1739.3402
1188	DCA_int_01	1735.0130	[/inaudible/]	1736.4678
1190		1737.0934	[<laugh>]	1738.1611
1191	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1739.4984	as far as my parents were concerned, if the teacher spoke to me, I was wrong.	1743.6381
1193		1744.5445	So,	1745.1449
1195		1746.0139	I never said anything that wou- And I	1748.1924
1197		1748.3685	somewhat feel that way to a certain degree now, but if my children- (laughing)	1751.6676
1199		1752.0235	if the teacher has to speak to 'em, it's because they were generally doing something that the had no business doing.	1756.5054
1201		1757.0696	But-	1757.3960
1202	DCA_int_01	1759.7146	So you think it was probably	1760.8002
1204		1761.5299	fair?	1762.0152
1205	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1762.5185	In [this particular instance, um], I probably- Now that I think back over it, uh,	1766.8529
1206	DCA_int_01	1762.7845	[/inaudible/]	1764.1141
1207	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1767.6114	I might have reacted	1768.7438
1209		1769.2965	myself in a little different way. I might have done little more than he [did. <laugh>]	1774.0012
1210	DCA_int_01	1772.4563	[<laugh>]	1773.4485
1211	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1774.1198	But uh, I was disrupting his class. And I realize that now, and I think he took about as much as he could take.	1780.1006
1212	DCA_int_01	1780.5823	Mm.	1780.8879
1213	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1780.8663	And um,	1781.5277
1214		1782.7203	He put a end to it.	1783.6801
1215	DCA_int_01	1784.5860	Can you remember the best teacher you ever had?	1786.8076
1216	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1788.7012	Ah, I think the former Grammar teacher that I was just telling you [about], um,	1792.7252
1217	DCA_int_01	1791.8555	[Hm.]	1792.1580
1218	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1792.9658	was very good. And then I had another History teacher,	1796.4610
1220		1797.1966	in um,	1798.1488
1222		1798.8870	high school	1799.8358
1224		1800.6952	that I liked very much. And she was a very good teacher. She was a very effective teacher. I had an- Algebra, uh,	1806.7719
1226		1807.9742	Geometry, or Algebra or something of that sort-	1810.3014
1228		1810.6796	Must have been Algebra teacher, in uh,	1812.5618
1230		1813.5422	Junior High School that was very good.	1815.4466
1232		1817.4361	I don't know that she could get very much uh,	1820.2253
1234		1820.5737	math over to me, but uh, she was very effective as far as uh,	1824.7125
1236		1825.1242	teaching those who	1826.3652
1238		1826.6024	could comprehend. [<laugh>]	1829.2115
1239	DCA_int_01	1827.3817	[<laugh>]	1828.2676
1240		1829.7881	[What is it that] makes a good teacher?	1832.2631
1241	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1829.9875	[But uh-]	1830.7678
1242	DCA_int_01	1833.3490	/Think back ??/.	1834.3832
1243	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1835.5211	Well I think it's a combination of um,	1837.9968
1245		1840.0166	well,	1840.6044
1247		1840.8484	m- to say, respect or- or- um-	1843.5770
1249		1846.5707	interests that the teacher can uh,	1849.3134
1251		1852.0763	get f- get from the student,	1853.7127
1253		1855.3386	um, this- Sorry- uh- [they uh,] interest that a teacher can get	1860.6247
1254	DCA_int_01	1857.1253	[That's okay.]	1857.9194
1255	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1860.7820	and the general uh,	1862.6795
1257		1865.3153	um,	1866.0303
1259		1867.9759	display that she prov- uh- puts out- When I say display, I mean the uh,	1872.2961
1261		1872.5264	way she	1873.2861
1263		1873.6539	conducts her [class generally.] Uh,	1876.2656
1264	DCA_int_01	1874.5950	[Mm-hm.]	1874.9800
1265	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1876.5612	the discipline.	1877.4069
1267		1877.6475	I think discipline is a very important part of a	1880.3651
1269		1880.9089	classroom. Now, when I say discipline, I don't mean um,	1883.8093
1271		1884.4247	the- what I was speaking of earlier. I mean	1886.5594
1273		1886.8619	the uh, overall	1888.5592
1275		1889.0061	conduct of the class. If everybody's eager to learn. If everybody- if the teacher can	1893.9897
1277		1894.5427	uh, arouse enough interest to keep everybody interested	1897.7357
1279		1898.0451	in the class. And uh, this way of course- This isn't a form of- of discipline in my opinion.	1902.9022
1280	DCA_int_01	1903.0514	/Okay/.	1903.4570
1281	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1903.8297	And uh, I think that this is uh-	1905.9154
1283		1906.3382	Generally	1907.1632
1285		1907.5998	the best teachers that I've had were	1909.7228
1287		1909.8884	teachers that were able to do this.	1912.2156
1289		1912.9100	And I did have several that I can remember very well, that uh-	1916.8726
1291		1917.5292	You didn't have time- You didn't think about doing anything out of the-	1921.0243
1293		1921.9834	Because you did- You were so interested in what she was saying you didn't want to miss a word that he or she was saying.	1927.0420
1295		1927.4268	I had several. I had a Civics teacher like that. Uh,	1930.1046
1297		1930.5996	Math teacher, History teacher,	1932.4310
1299		1932.7610	and the former Grammar teacher.	1934.1189
1301		1934.6173	Uh, I think in the case of the former Grammar teacher, I think it was mainly because I was late so much. I think it was tardiness played a big deal now.	1941.1710
1302	DCA_int_01	1941.5309	Mm-hm.	1942.0531
1304		1943.6220	You're lucky to have so many.	1945.4293
1305	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1945.6871	Well <laugh>	1946.6462
1307		1947.1515	I /had the ones as bad as I said/. But sometimes you- you, um-	1950.2376
1309		1951.1966	My interests	1952.2554
1311		1952.9085	were so	1953.6801
1313		1954.1933	uh, varied at that particular time, I didn't uh-	1957.5269
1315		1957.6517	Maybe I should have concentrated a little more in the areas that they were trying to teach <laugh>	1962.3234
1317		1962.6270	or retained a little more of it. <laugh>	1965.0692
1318	DCA_int_01	1965.0543	Yeah, I think everybody feels that way.	1966.9003
1319	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1966.9957	Yeah. Uh-huh.	1967.9857
1320	DCA_int_01	1968.4772	When they think back.	1969.4432
1322		1969.7079	Was there ever a teacher that you just couldn't stand?	1971.9586
1323	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	1974.6640	There were one or two that I didn't particular like,	1977.4922
1325		1977.7604	but um,	1978.7091
1327		1979.6983	we made it through. I stayed out of	1981.7058
1329		1981.9602	their way, and uh,	1983.1565
1331		1984.9810	just hoped that they would leave me alone generally (laughing), but uh, it wasn't the case for, uh-	1989.6542
1333		1990.1536	I never hated a teacher, as far as I- Or,	1993.1718
1335		1993.7347	disliked a teacher	1994.8314
1337		1995.6735	very, you know, that strongly that	1997.5530
1339		1998.6977	I wanted to be moved out of the class or felt that /oh, I've/ got to go here another day or something. That's uh, no, I can't remember	2005.6407
1341		2006.2208	any case of that sort.	2007.4549
1342	DCA_int_01	2007.9946	Remember any cases where the kids in the class played a trick on the teacher?	2011.6444
1343	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2013.9579	Mm, no.	2015.1120
1344	DCA_int_01	2014.9986	Put any tacks on the seat or anything of that nature?	2017.6524
1345	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2017.7108	No.	2018.3296
1347		2018.9724	No, my-	2019.9521
1349		2021.2541	I remember another- I	2022.7047
1351		2023.0141	always had a problem with tardiness. I don't know why- well one of the reasons why- I did have to travel quite a ways to uh, school.	2028.8021
1353		2029.5197	And I remember one particular time, this- uh- my section teacher,	2033.7126
1355		2034.2867	used to make us stay	2036.2324
1357		2036.8374	five minutes over- Well, she would make us stay the same length of time over in the evening, for the amount- length of time that we were tardy in the morning.	2044.3158
1359		2045.7630	And I had been /so/ tardy several times, and uh	2048.4847
1361		2049.3613	so	2049.9216
1363		2050.1553	this particular morning,	2051.4195
1365		2051.9248	and I saw the principal,	2053.3990
1367		2053.9152	as I was coming into the school, running to get into school on time.	2057.2350
1369		2057.9534	And uh, I said, uh,	2060.2867
1371		2062.3664	good morning, Doctor /RD-NAME-3/. And uh,	2065.1947
1373		2066.1297	the um-	2067.0750
1375		2067.7625	When I got into the classroom, I was still two or three minutes late, and the teacher wanted to know why I was late	2073.2300
1377		2073.3606	for class	2073.9725
1379		2074.5672	before school,	2075.3234
1381		2075.7531	and I told her I stopped and had a conversation with the principal.	2078.9217
1383		2079.7640	So uh,	2080.8811
1385		2081.1355	she wanted to know what the conversation- I said, well we stopped and a had a few words, and I didn't want to go into detail as to just what happened.	2087.2282
1387		2087.8129	So finally, um, she got it out of me, just what the conversation was about. And I told her, well, I stopped and said good morning, so- [<laugh>]	2094.5757
1388	DCA_int_01	2094.1514	[<laugh>]	2094.6037
1389	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2095.8001	So she thought that was quite uh, something. She carried me to the principal's office and uh,	2100.9281
1391		2101.0381	she thought, well, you know. This is one of the books, so you better here this one.	2104.9320
1393		2105.5026	And I think I was given a very stern warning that if it ever happened again [that- <laugh>]	2110.6959
1394	DCA_int_01	2109.2899	[<laugh>]	2110.8300
1395		2112.1534	Never to use that [excuse.]	2114.1910
1396	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2113.0016	[Yeah. Well.]	2114.1360
1397	DCA_int_01	2114.9026	That's pretty good.	2115.8995
1399		2118.0093	When you were a kid, was there a certain n- or-	2120.6184
1401		2121.4048	either as a younger child or as a	2123.2473
1403		2123.7251	teenager,	2124.4607
1405		2124.8286	was there a bunch of kids that-	2126.3195
1407		2126.9830	that you associated with?	2128.3718
1409		2129.6429	/inaudible/	2130.7876
1410	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2131.2963	Um,	2132.1351
1412		2132.5167	I was /never/- Well yes, I guess so.	2134.7055
1414		2135.2796	Uh,	2135.8193
1416		2136.2455	we- we- There was several of us that went around together. I had	2139.2113
1418		2139.7957	several friends that I carried all the way from- Well, when I say, I carried, we	2144.1227
1420		2144.5077	carried each other all the way from elementary school all the way through,	2147.6557
1422		2148.5597	and um,	2149.5119
1424		2149.7133	we went around together in the kindergarten, first grade, and I think when I got in about in,	2153.4446
1426		2154.3435	the	2154.8899
1428		2155.6346	third or fourth, one	2157.3223
1430		2158.2510	uh, fella and his brother and what have you, moved away	2161.7365
1432		2162.2389	and I was thrown in to with an- thrown into another group.	2165.5449
1434		2166.3053	And we went around together for	2168.0544
1436		2168.9886	um,	2169.5912
1438		2169.8908	number of years all the way through high school, matter of fact. And /there were/ three or four of us that	2173.8699
1440		2174.0858	stayed together. We'd- we'd go swimming together. We- we would go, uh-	2177.6408
1442		2177.9933	We play basketball together in the evening.	2179.9365
1444		2180.5667	We uh-	2181.3896
1446		2181.7862	I guess you'd call it uh- s- uh- Well maybe it's	2184.5050
1448		2185.2321	our gang, so to [speak. Uh,]	2186.8845
1449	DCA_int_01	2186.2324	[Uh-huh.]	2186.7242
1450	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2187.7687	um,	2188.3905
1452		2188.6725	we um,	2189.6860
1454		2190.2985	played whatever games we played. We went to the movies together. We went to the circus together.	2195.1181
1456		2195.9220	I never will forget one particular time. Um,	2198.3971
1458		2198.6308	this-	2199.1252
1460		2199.7640	Two or three of us went to circus on Sunday afternoon, and uh,	2203.1615
1462		2203.8806	I think we left the house around twelve o'clock.	2206.1145
1464		2206.9595	And I came back around ten,	2208.9971
1466		2210.0698	my father was waiting for me. He had been all over the neighborhood looking for me. <laugh>	2214.6589
1468		2214.9705	And uh- and th- I th- I don't remember exactly how old I was. I think I must have been about thirteen,	2219.6750
1470		2220.5904	twelve or thirteen. And- I know- My father was a	2223.6708
1472		2224.8225	even- My father is an even tempered man, and um,	2228.4537
1474		2229.0629	he uh,	2229.9918
1476		2230.8249	didn't take too kindly to the	2232.7126
1478		2232.9823	idea that I was away from home all day without telling anybody where I was.	2236.9541
1480		2237.7632	And here again now, I can appreciate that /unintelligible/, [but at] that time, I thought he was being very unreasonable. I was only at the circus.	2244.9103
1481	DCA_int_01	2241.2271	[Yeah.]	2241.7065
1482	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2245.2740	[<laugh>]	2247.6500
1483	DCA_int_01	2245.5118	[/inaudible/.]	2246.6916
1484	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2247.8538	/That's right/. Hm.	2248.8965
1485	DCA_int_01	2251.0765	Was there	2251.5619
1487		2251.8436	a- a way that	2253.0362
1489		2253.3718	new kids could have gotten into that group?	2255.7210
1491		2256.8117	/inaudible/	2259.2192
1492	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2259.1774	Well, [um,]	2259.9832
1493	DCA_int_01	2259.6329	[/inaudible/]	2261.1911
1494	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2261.1431	we had something happen in Anacostia, for instance, that uh-	2265.4760
1495		2266.1158	that they built a	2267.1765
1497		2267.5601	project, a um- development.	2269.6336
1499		2270.3348	And uh,	2271.3715
1501		2271.8989	there were a number of fellows that moved into the area-	2274.8340
1503		2275.0917	in to the project at that time. I d- I don't remember-	2278.2070
1505		2278.3376	This must have been uh,	2279.6703
1507		2280.4074	in the forties. But anyhow, a- um,	2282.5813
1509		2283.1806	they came in. There were several of them that played basketball with us, and uh-	2287.6154
1511		2287.9390	W- When I say that I can remember,	2290.3527
1513		2290.9700	nothing happened in Anacostia for many many years, and then they built the project.	2295.6804
1515		2296.0879	And when they built the project, this was	2297.6386
1517		2298.0281	quite an influx of people.	2299.7721
1518	DCA_int_01	2299.8895	Mm-hm.	2300.3605
1519	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2300.4613	And um, there were a lot of fellows that we did go around with. We played ball with, and uh,	2306.0092
1521		2306.3089	there were a lot of new girls that came to the school. Of course, we had- They built- At the same time, they built a project, they built a community	2313.4469
1523		2314.1401	uh, center.	2315.1709
1525		2316.0399	And they used to have dances and- and uh, movies on uh,	2320.1391
1527		2320.9047	Friday night I believe. Friday or Saturday night.	2323.2379
1529		2324.2008	And it had its good influences in some cases. In some cases, bad influences, but uh, overall I think it sort of balanced out in some	2332.7392
1531		2333.1887	area.	2333.7999
1533		2334.8472	Mm.	2335.4465
1534	DCA_int_01	2335.9439	Could uh-	2336.6990
1536		2337.4002	Did any of them, sort of, make this	2339.2748
1538		2340.1570	intimate group that you have that you went to movies with-	2342.9257
1539	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2343.3137	Mm-hm.	2343.7632
1540	DCA_int_01	2343.8951	were with all the time, did	2345.0936
1542		2345.4113	any of them get into that	2346.5499
1543	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2347.5987	[Um-]	2348.2339
1544	DCA_int_01	2347.7066	[??]	2348.4377
1545	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2348.5276	yeah, one or two of 'em. Uh, that's- If I can remember, that uh-	2352.8110
1547		2353.0568	Yeah- to the- Yeah. We did. One fella in particular, we used to uh-	2356.7992
1549		2357.6114	He came right on in, and we uh-	2359.4675
1551		2360.5165	He went just about everywhere with us for a quite a little while.	2363.3587
1553		2363.6208	Matter of fact, there were a couple in later years, in high school years.	2366.7895
1555		2367.5926	But then, of course, in high school, I drifted away from	2371.2938
1557		2371.5596	the group, as such. Uh,	2373.0171
1559		2373.5076	my father wasn't much on um,	2375.3819
1561		2376.7303	traveling in crowds,	2378.0008
1563		2378.3364	and uh, never allowed me- He didn't mind	2380.9494
1565		2381.1831	me	2381.5307
1567		2381.9487	going some place uh,	2383.4469
1569		2384.0103	what have you, but he didn't ever	2385.7422
1571		2386.2576	uh, approve- He never approved as far as I can remember /up/ uh,	2390.3131
1573		2391.0565	traveling with a group.	2392.1184
1574	DCA_int_01	2392.5187	Mm-hm.	2393.0341
1575	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2393.3398	And um, if there more than three or four of us, or more than two of us generally, he had something to say about it.	2399.7687
1576	DCA_int_01	2399.7028	Mm-hm.	2400.1942
1577	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2400.8136	But um,	2401.6890
1579		2403.7480	if we did go to	2405.3526
1581		2405.7721	you know, games- Or I remember going out to uh,	2408.5229
1583		2409.1042	the Canal,	2409.8773
1585		2410.1769	out to Great Falls, right near Great Falls. Hiked around Chain Bridge, and we used to rent boats and go boating and things of that sort. Now this was in high school of course.	2419.2487
1587		2420.1237	I didn't swim that well, but I used to- Several of the fellas that I went around with were very good swimmers.	2426.4507
1589		2427.0920	And uh, they liked horseback riding. I used to horseback ride too,	2430.5184
1590	DCA_int_01	2430.5724	Mm-hm.	2430.9896
1591	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2431.5864	but uh, th- As I said again, now this was later years. This was high school.	2435.2468
1593		2436.2462	L- My last year or so in high school, I drifted completely away from them because I went to work for a bookstore.	2442.5807
1595		2443.3658	And uh, and I worked in a book store up until um,	2446.3787
1597		2447.5234	uh, summer.	2448.3324
1599		2448.6021	And then I started college, and I worked.	2451.1956
1601		2451.8728	I went to school during the day time and worked in the evening,	2454.6715
1603		2455.0550	and so uh,	2456.3854
1605		2456.9667	here again, um, I didn't have much act-	2459.2981
1607		2459.5079	time for activity	2461.3041
1609		2462.2630	of the sort. Then I got married very young, too, so /this makes another/- <laugh>	2466.8555
1610	DCA_int_01	2467.0918	/I'm going to cut you off/.	2467.8382
1611	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2467.9428	[Mm-hm.]	2468.4762
1612	DCA_int_01	2468.2579	[So.]	2468.4942
1613		2469.8066	was- did the-	2470.6756
1615		2471.1970	those kids have to do anything special to get into your group, or they just start hanging around. Or how did that work?	2476.0797
1616	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2477.5060	M- generally it's just a matter of start hanging around, being on the basketball court when we went out in the evening to play basketball.	2485.0796
1618		2486.4760	Or- We had one fella	2488.5194
1620		2488.7059	that um,	2489.5126
1622		2490.6875	father left him a great deal of- He worked in the evenings. He lost his mother when he was young, and his	2496.1890
1624		2496.6504	father	2497.2737
1626		2497.7157	worked in the evenings at the Navy yard.	2499.6694
1628		2500.2028	And uh,	2501.0118
1630		2501.8149	he left enough work to do to keep him busy, for- up until twelve o'clock at night I guess, if he did it all by myself. But mainly, this- I- As I	2509.9758
1632		2510.3713	think about it now, w- probably to keep him out of trouble.	2512.8149
1634		2513.7498	But what we used to is f- three or four of us would go down, and we'd all	2517.9209
1636		2518.2625	pool together and knock out the work, so that we could all go (laughing) up and play.	2522.3045
1638		2522.9535	And um,	2523.9183
1640		2524.6826	this uh,	2525.6245
1642		2526.0518	went on for-	2527.2880
1644		2527.4559	And I think this how some of the new fellas got into the group.	2530.2256
1646		2530.4774	We would wanna play basketball, and we needed five or six or	2533.7730
1648		2534.2307	something to	2535.1252
1650		2535.7431	get up a game, so we'd go down and help this particular fella	2539.1901
1652		2539.4792	um, with his work, so that we could go out and play. Mm.	2543.2807
1653	DCA_int_01	2544.3834	Do you ever see any of these guys /??/?	2546.3838
1654	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2546.7087	Um, one /un/-	2548.1889
1656		2549.4160	one fella I still see occasionally. He will drive past, or I'll drive past his house.	2554.6958
1658		2555.2456	He's- Matter of fact, he's the uh,	2557.2772
1660		2557.5949	godparent	2558.4998
1662		2558.8594	of my	2559.6692
1664		2561.2565	oldest child,	2562.1095
1666		2562.6783	but uh, we don't visit uh, regularly. He-	2566.4401
1668		2567.2480	We did for a long time after I was married. We visited, and uh, matter fact we worked part time jobs together.	2573.3727
1670		2573.6618	He taught me how to paint when I was um,	2575.7205
1672		2576.5415	coming along, and uh,	2578.1476
1674		2578.8353	when um-	2579.7822
1676		2580.0879	In the early years when I was	2581.6940
1678		2581.9457	trying to	2582.7727
1680		2583.0783	buy my first home, uh,	2584.7199
1682		2585.5534	and I needed money. My wife was home with the children and what have you, and I needed money, and I needed to have some extra money. So I	2592.7314
1684		2593.0551	called on him to	2594.3136
1686		2595.0312	let me in on some of his extra jobs, and he-	2598.0157
1688		2598.5910	We used to work together doing interior decorating, and uh,	2602.1748
1690		2603.0277	for a long time. I often kid my	2605.3376
1692		2605.6890	family about, uh,	2607.1534
1694		2607.8966	their uh-	2608.4681
1696		2608.8458	Uncle Russell helping to pay off the- <laugh> the /second trestle/. <laugh>	2614.0258
1698		2614.4094	But um,	2615.3383
1700		2616.1114	he did, uh- and then right now, I guess, uh, you know, if it was any occasion-	2621.8032
1702		2623.0976	Well, uh, /unintelligible/ when I was uh, had uh,	2627.7407
1704		2628.6923	had illness and death in my family, he	2630.6652
1706		2631.4503	um, was one of the first people I	2633.6385
1708		2634.7569	uh, got in t- Well, got in touch with me actually, because I didn't contact him, he contacted me.	2639.8265
1710		2640.8023	So, we still are friends.	2642.9597
1712		2643.3672	But it's just not close as we used to be.	2645.9862
1713	DCA_int_01	2646.5151	Mm-hm.	2646.9161
1714	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2646.8731	Mm-hm.	2647.3346
1715	DCA_int_01	2648.5676	Are there, uh-	2649.0710
1717		2649.3647	is there a- another group of people	2651.5686
1719		2652.2913	that you associate with now? /inaudible/.	2654.1460
1720	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2654.6145	Generally, yes. Uh, that uh-	2657.0941
1722		2657.5435	I don't uh,	2658.6522
1724		2659.2227	uh, have time	2660.7557
1726		2660.9415	for a lot of socializing, but there are a number of	2663.8706
1728		2664.5718	different groups that I	2666.0999
1730		2666.5914	do.	2666.9713
1732		2667.3537	We play cards together occasionally. Uh,	2670.3909
1734		2671.1714	there's another group that- Sometimes we go to um-	2674.1137
1736		2675.0339	We've gone to concerts together. My daughters are both interested in music and uh,	2679.7967
1738		2680.4201	we have friends that are interested in music so we	2683.3346
1740		2683.6051	go to concerts to- s- concerts together.	2686.0354
1742		2686.8310	Um,	2687.3764
1744		2687.6940	I have some that like plays, generally. We might get theater tickets	2692.2666
1746		2692.5123	and things of the sort.	2693.6292
1747	DCA_int_01	2693.6432	Mm-hm.	2694.0074
1748	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2694.4705	But um,	2695.5134
1750		2696.1965	But I have my poker buddies. I several fellas that I've been playing poker with uh for	2700.9255
1752		2701.7040	sixteen or seventeen years. We play maybe once every two or three months or something, /uh so/ generally- generally when we play,	2708.2587
1754		2708.5344	we might play	2709.4798
1756		2710.1870	all night long. <laugh>	2711.8470
1758		2712.3324	[But uh,]	2713.1535
1759	DCA_int_01	2712.3324	[/inaudible/]	2713.1535
1760	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2713.4351	we still do that, and we do it just as regularly. We might not call each other for	2718.3059
1762		2718.7194	several	2719.4685
1764		2720.4813	months. Then all of a sudden, you know, just get together,	2723.4427
1766		2724.2734	/smoke a few/	2725.1124
1768		2725.4300	/whole cartons/. <laugh>	2727.3657
1770		2727.7313	And [we-]	2728.3306
1771	DCA_int_01	2728.0489	[That's great.]	2728.7479
1772	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2728.6542	[Mm-hm.]	2729.0857
1773	DCA_int_01	2730.9854	Are there any caucasians in any of these groups?	2733.4708
1774	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2733.6868	Um, one-	2735.2210
1776		2736.7192	uh- Couple- Of course now, in the neighborhood, we have a /number that we go back and forth to/	2742.6632
1777		2742.6632	\ea	2743.0882
1778		2743.0882	each other's houses, but uh,	2744.7243
1780		2745.0778	in this particular group, I think we have	2747.1274
1782		2747.7267	two- uh, in the overall circle [of group.]	2750.7397
1783	DCA_int_01	2750.3142	[Yes.]	2750.6797
1784	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2751.0393	Yeah, there are a couple o- uh,	2752.5555
1786		2752.7713	inter-	2753.2627
1788		2753.6462	racial	2754.2515
1790		2754.5152	um, marriages that- In both cases, I think	2758.1215
1792		2758.9185	white husbands and uh,	2760.5546
1794		2760.8662	Negro wives, colored wives.	2762.9817
1796		2763.5915	But um,	2764.5264
1798		2765.3774	generally- Oh, one or two of my coworkers at work- Matter fact, my present uh,	2771.5022
1800		2772.6873	um, director or assistant director	2774.9433
1802		2775.5160	um,	2776.0493
1804		2776.2351	has been a friend of mine for a number of years. We've been /his (tape distortion?)/- We	2780.3568
1806		2780.7403	we have so many things in common. He's only- His birthday is in the same month as my birthday, and uh,	2785.7263
1808		2786.6673	uh, his oldest child is four days older than my oldest child. And we joke about this of course, and we have visited back and forth.	2794.6424
1810		2795.2822	And um,	2796.2493
1812		2796.4265	and there's uh,	2797.3437
1814		2797.6613	um, elderly woman that works with me, that uh,	2801.5987
1816		2802.1186	I had been to her house. She's been to mine, and we	2805.3188
1818		2806.1818	discuss books and	2807.4823
1820		2807.6920	concerts and what have you. So,	2809.5603
1822		2809.9079	I guess in that	2810.7409
1824		2810.9387	area, of it, you- what you would call um-	2813.6415
1826		2814.9959	I hadn't really thought about it until this day (laughing) but, until this day [<laugh>]	2818.6173
1827	DCA_int_01	2818.0328	[It's good when] you don't have [to. <laugh>]	2819.6929
1828	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2819.1116	[Uh-huh. Yeah.] Uh, these- This case, uh, we've been knowing each other so long, I don't think that this is	2825.5465
1829		2826.1997	um, factor, that um,	2828.1594
1831		2828.5969	as far as I'm concerned it's not. I don't know how they feel about it, but I- From all the evidence, it's all-	2833.1440
1833		2833.7133	outward appearances and all.	2835.0138
1834	DCA_int_01	2835.6910	What about your childhood friends?	2837.6028
1835	DCA_se3_ag3_m_01	2838.6036	Well, now, uh, on Elm Street,	2841.5915
1837		2841.7124	we lived on a um,	2843.1507
1839		2843.4204	mixed- racially mixed block.	2844.9905
1841		2845.9914	And uh, I can remember one particular incident, I don't know whether I should go into it here or not, but (laughing)-	2852.4003
1842	DCA_int_01	2852.3791	/Is that so?/	2852.7567