Line | Speaker | St Time | Content | En Time |
1 | DCA_int_01 | 0.5226 | Alright, first of all we're gonna | 1.9538 |
3 | | 3.4027 | take you back to your childhood. | 5.0078 |
5 | | 6.2049 | Hm? | 6.4211 |
6 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 6.5951 | Name. (whispered) | 7.0772 |
7 | DCA_int_01 | 9.2567 | Yeah, why don't you just say your name /on the tape/. | 11.2797 |
8 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 11.3194 | Ah, | 11.8554 |
10 | | 12.4591 | /RD-NAME-3/ | 13.2540 |
12 | | 13.7520 | /RD-NAME-2/ | 15.1644 |
13 | DCA_int_01 | 15.6675 | Good. | 15.9794 |
15 | | 18.5350 | Okay, | 19.1941 |
17 | | 21.2423 | what kind of games | 22.2651 |
19 | | 22.4823 | were there that you used to play as a child? | 24.4762 |
21 | | 25.5053 | In the neighborhood with the other kids? | 27.1932 |
22 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 27.2890 | Mm-hm. | 27.5927 |
23 | DCA_int_01 | 29.8013 | In general. | 30.2962 |
24 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 32.4043 | Well, | 33.0229 |
26 | | 33.8002 | uh, | 34.3942 |
28 | | 34.5937 | they were mostly um | 35.8595 |
30 | | 37.1389 | type of running games. | 38.4920 |
32 | | 39.6257 | Uh, | 40.0761 |
34 | | 40.8346 | which, uh, | 41.6392 |
36 | | 42.3035 | like, uh, one called, uh | 44.1374 |
38 | | 44.3870 | I Spy, | 45.4127 |
40 | | 47.0846 | tag. | 47.7707 |
42 | | 51.2908 | That's when we were small. | 52.2664 |
43 | DCA_int_01 | 52.3751 | Mm-hm. | 52.7433 |
45 | | 52.9092 | That's what I mean. | 53.6046 |
46 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 53.8463 | Yes, uh | 54.7912 |
47 | DCA_int_01 | 57.9415 | How did you play I Spy? I don't think we played that. | 60.4841 |
48 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 60.7605 | Well, | 61.1320 |
50 | | 61.6771 | well, I tell you, | 62.3324 |
52 | | 62.6992 | uh, I understand that the correct pronunciation for it is I Spy | 66.5021 |
53 | DCA_int_01 | 66.8064 | Oh yeah? | 67.3784 |
54 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 67.3784 | but uh we always called it, I think | 69.7175 |
55 | | 70.6020 | High Spy, | 71.5493 |
56 | DCA_int_01 | 71.8229 | Oh, I see. | 72.6365 |
57 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 72.7049 | I think. | 73.1916 |
59 | | 73.6532 | You'd | 73.9575 |
61 | | 74.3650 | run | 74.8822 |
63 | | 75.7152 | around a uh, | 76.8583 |
65 | | 78.9340 | well uh, | 79.3378 |
67 | | 79.5802 | one of the kids would put his head against the tree or against the wall. | 82.6826 |
68 | DCA_int_01 | 82.6866 | Mm-hm. | 83.1500 |
69 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 83.4448 | And you run and hide, | 84.6466 |
71 | | 85.1844 | and he'd have to come to find you. | 86.4094 |
73 | | 87.1562 | Then you have to | 87.8912 |
75 | | 89.2878 | beat him back | 90.3735 |
77 | | 91.0713 | to the place where he left, | 92.4948 |
78 | DCA_int_01 | 92.5025 | Mm-hm. | 92.9965 |
79 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 92.9940 | you see. | 93.4092 |
80 | | 93.8301 | Now, if he beats you back, | 95.0264 |
82 | | 96.0247 | after he sees where you are hiding, | 97.6788 |
84 | | 98.5841 | now | 99.0435 |
86 | | 99.3474 | that is a sort of a | 100.5735 |
88 | | 100.7597 | mark against you. | 101.8213 |
89 | DCA_int_01 | 102.2736 | Uh-hm. | 102.8564 |
90 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 102.9532 | And of course | 103.8237 |
92 | | 104.7679 | you take the | 105.8067 |
94 | | 106.5854 | losing ma- man's uh, the losing | 108.8504 |
96 | | 109.5778 | child's place | 110.5104 |
98 | | 111.5176 | on the | 112.3756 |
100 | | 114.8562 | next uh, you might call it, inning, of the game you see, | 117.5980 |
102 | | 118.3627 | if he gets back before you get back | 120.1340 |
104 | | 120.6374 | to this place where he left. | 121.4355 |
105 | DCA_int_01 | 123.0033 | Was there a name for the place where he stood? | 125.0137 |
106 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 125.0220 | No, any place beside a tr- well uh | 126.9233 |
108 | | 127.1350 | eyes up to a tree or | 128.7748 |
110 | | 129.1200 | against a brick wall, | 130.1703 |
112 | | 130.3820 | just so he couldn't see | 131.7738 |
114 | | 132.2720 | where the other kids are running to hide. | 134.5065 |
116 | | 134.7130 | It might be behind a | 135.9512 |
118 | | 136.2792 | tree or | 137.0430 |
120 | | 137.4753 | in those days were /penny/ wagons around, you know. | 139.9662 |
122 | | 140.4602 | And you could hide behind a wagon or, | 142.0092 |
124 | | 142.3745 | and uh also there were quite a few vacant lots at that time. | 145.2567 |
126 | | 146.5353 | And uh | 147.0673 |
128 | | 147.2914 | of course you could uh | 148.4834 |
130 | | 149.4258 | hide on the vacant- in the- on the vacant lots behind trees and what not. | 152.9135 |
131 | DCA_int_01 | 153.1554 | Mm-hm. | 153.7438 |
133 | | 154.7412 | You didn't call it home or anything? | 156.4313 |
134 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 156.5506 | No, we didn't call it home. | 157.9209 |
136 | | 159.3915 | In fact I've never heard of the word- a game called home. | 162.6117 |
137 | DCA_int_01 | 163.6680 | Mm. | 163.9360 |
138 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 163.9918 | Uh. | 164.2284 |
139 | DCA_int_01 | 165.2127 | How did you pick the guy to be 'it' the first time? | 167.4019 |
140 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 172.1284 | Well, let's see now. <laugh> | 173.7006 |
141 | DCA_int_01 | 175.4618 | Sometimes kids tell us their rhymes and- | 177.6356 |
142 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 177.8504 | Yes, well I don't recall how we exactly t- pick the person who was it. | 181.7062 |
144 | | 181.9896 | We just started off playing. | 183.4754 |
145 | DCA_int_01 | 183.7535 | <laugh> | 184.2158 |
146 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 184.4194 | <laugh> | 185.2395 |
147 | DCA_int_01 | 185.9055 | What if [everybody wanted] to hide? | 187.5560 |
148 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 186.0975 | [Uh] | 186.8460 |
149 | | 187.8036 | uh, well, it's hard to say just- I just don't recall how | 190.7071 |
151 | | 190.8586 | we decided | 191.7970 |
154 | | 192.5515 | uh how the pers- to pick the person who was | 195.3908 |
156 | | 195.9632 | it. | 196.3595 |
158 | | 197.7060 | /Cause/ that's- that was the person who had to | 199.5168 |
160 | | 200.2929 | hide his face | 201.3216 |
161 | DCA_int_01 | 201.2912 | Uh-huh. | 201.6018 |
162 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 202.4040 | while the others | 203.2980 |
164 | | 204.0602 | ran to hide. | 204.9739 |
165 | DCA_int_01 | 206.2008 | Say one potato, two potato, or [anything?] | 208.6289 |
166 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 208.5342 | [No,] | 209.0373 |
167 | | 209.6482 | no. | 210.0638 |
169 | | 210.4954 | Maybe that was the version of the same game | 212.7025 |
171 | | 213.2277 | in other parts of the | 214.3474 |
173 | | 215.8687 | um, other parts of the city or maybe other parts of the States, | 219.6071 |
175 | | 220.1522 | but, uh, no, we [didn't] uh play that one. No. | 222.5681 |
176 | DCA_int_01 | 221.1785 | /unintelligible/ | 221.5702 |
177 | | 223.3184 | How did you play tag when you were a kid? | 225.2442 |
178 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 226.3866 | Well, | 226.9648 |
180 | | 228.6653 | you stand a certain place- it's almost like the same /even when/ you didn't hide. | 232.0771 |
182 | | 232.6879 | Well, the | 233.1029 |
184 | | 233.7511 | uh, | 234.2080 |
186 | | 234.6277 | the one who was it, | 235.8438 |
188 | | 237.4037 | uh | 238.1498 |
190 | | 238.4948 | would have to | 239.1896 |
192 | | 239.5953 | catch | 239.9614 |
194 | | 240.1569 | one of the- | 240.5772 |
196 | | 241.0641 | one of the other kids, you know? And the one that he | 242.8891 |
198 | | 243.5465 | tags, | 244.2413 |
200 | | 244.9081 | that's the one who was | 245.8392 |
202 | | 246.0304 | 'it'. | 246.3941 |
204 | | 247.3407 | And uh, | 248.0541 |
206 | | 248.2919 | and from then on that's the way they played the game. | 250.1696 |
207 | DCA_int_01 | 253.8495 | What uh | 254.5303 |
209 | | 255.0432 | TV programs do you watch? | 256.8407 |
211 | | 258.8630 | Do you watch TV? | 259.9821 |
212 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 262.1806 | Yes. | 262.9081 |
214 | | 264.0924 | I suppose the uh, | 265.4492 |
216 | | 266.8667 | my most regular one at this time | 269.3380 |
218 | | 271.3058 | uh, | 272.0985 |
220 | | 272.9191 | the one I, uh, is the uh, | 274.8226 |
222 | | 275.0279 | I- I prefer | 276.0102 |
224 | | 276.4110 | uh the um | 277.1490 |
226 | | 277.4618 | Meet the Press. | 278.3953 |
227 | DCA_int_01 | 278.9109 | Oh yeah? | 279.6290 |
228 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 279.6197 | Uh yes, that's one I prefer. Uh, that's my- they only come on- it's only on once a week, | 283.5693 |
229 | | 283.7502 | of course. But I prefer to see that if I can catch it. | 286.4776 |
231 | | 286.9917 | And also if there is a | 288.8009 |
233 | | 290.2313 | worthwhile witness on there- sometimes the uh | 292.7679 |
235 | | 293.1409 | you- is uh, uh | 294.6890 |
237 | | 295.2019 | person on uh | 296.1041 |
239 | | 296.5891 | uh | 297.2792 |
241 | | 299.3962 | on uh | 300.2075 |
243 | | 300.4476 | Meet the Press to me isn't worth seeing. | 302.7418 |
245 | | 303.3153 | So at that case I would uh, | 305.1682 |
247 | | 305.8585 | wouldn't wanna bother with him. | 306.9278 |
249 | | 307.0727 | Now you k- take a man like Secretary | 308.9274 |
251 | | 309.3930 | Rusk, | 309.9647 |
253 | | 310.8903 | I like him on TV. | 312.1411 |
255 | | 312.8312 | I mean, uh, there are some people that on- on the | 316.0689 |
257 | | 316.2331 | Meet the Press, to me | 317.4647 |
259 | | 318.0942 | give straight forward answers | 319.9174 |
261 | | 320.1412 | to the questions that you ask them. | 321.7359 |
263 | | 322.7230 | Secretary Rusk, | 323.9867 |
265 | | 324.6189 | Hubert Humphrey, | 325.5421 |
267 | | 326.4934 | uh | 327.0436 |
269 | | 330.6993 | I would like uh- | 332.1541 |
271 | | 332.6973 | uh there's another person on there too, in politics. Uh, | 335.8868 |
273 | | 343.0571 | I don't mind | 343.8654 |
275 | | 344.1359 | hearing /Er-/ | 345.0632 |
277 | | 345.6124 | Dick Nixon. | 346.4051 |
279 | | 348.6992 | Uh, he is not my | 349.6160 |
281 | | 349.7802 | favorite one, but I like to hear him talk sometimes. Uh, uh, I like to hear, he has a | 353.6779 |
283 | | 354.7726 | debatable way of talking, but uh he's not one of my favorite uh | 357.6893 |
285 | | 358.6312 | persons appear on- on uh, Meet the Press. | 360.9813 |
287 | | 361.9418 | And there's- there are several others who have been on there from time to time that I like, too. | 365.9892 |
289 | | 368.7053 | And of course I like the uh- | 370.9529 |
291 | | 371.4658 | get ideas on Meet the Press from those uh- | 374.0980 |
293 | | 376.1889 | from the persons from foreign countries. They're quite interesting | 379.2505 |
295 | | 380.0152 | on uh, on Meet the Press. | 381.3954 |
297 | | 381.9405 | Then uh, | 382.8715 |
299 | | 383.9782 | for the lighter side, | 385.1271 |
301 | | 385.5248 | I like the | 386.4150 |
303 | | 387.2641 | Beverly Hillbillies. | 388.3027 |
304 | DCA_int_01 | 388.4244 | Oh yeah. (laughing) | 389.3239 |
305 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 389.5547 | I- that's I guess it's because uh there's something about uh | 392.9924 |
307 | | 393.8592 | the one who plays the part of- | 394.9547 |
309 | | 395.3643 | of Granny on there. | 396.6527 |
311 | | 397.1217 | I think she's a wonderful person, but e-e- everybody on | 399.8232 |
313 | | 400.3753 | the Hill- uh Beverly Hillbillies to me | 402.6466 |
315 | | 403.6381 | uh | 404.1012 |
317 | | 404.6237 | is a wonderful actor, | 406.0724 |
319 | | 407.1411 | and I really enjoy that. I see it almost everyday because I'm here | 410.5750 |
321 | | 410.7344 | when it comes on. | 411.5410 |
322 | DCA_int_01 | 411.7438 | Is it [on during] the day? | 412.9783 |
323 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 411.9998 | [So-] | 412.3234 |
324 | | 412.9902 | Yes, it's on every day at ten thirty except uh, | 415.7355 |
326 | | 418.8631 | Saturdays I think, and it's on another time on Saturdays I think. | 422.2839 |
328 | | 423.2219 | I think it's on in the afternoon on Saturdays. | 425.1100 |
330 | | 425.6799 | Mm-hm. | 426.1371 |
332 | | 426.7130 | But I- I usually see it on- in the mornings, at ten thirty in the mornings. | 429.3086 |
333 | DCA_int_01 | 430.5236 | Do you remember a time when you saw that was good that you could tell us about? | 434.0147 |
335 | | 435.0346 | Sort of a story or an episode on | 437.2789 |
337 | | 437.9439 | Beverly Hillbillies. What they did, | 440.2831 |
339 | | 440.9006 | how they clowned around and? | 442.6342 |
340 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 449.4248 | Let's see now. I don't re- uh, | 451.4315 |
342 | | 452.0371 | I mean, I couldn't give the full story of it. | 453.9056 |
344 | | 454.0022 | Uh, | 454.4127 |
346 | | 454.5189 | I could if I sat out and studied it. If I- for instance- for instance, if I'd- I'd known you wanted to ask that question | 459.1007 |
348 | | 459.5209 | I would have probably had the ch- | 460.3903 |
350 | | 460.5303 | I would have a chance to um | 461.9551 |
352 | | 462.3681 | study that, you see, or if I woulda | 464.0254 |
354 | | 464.1799 | observed the one this morning. But I didn't get a chance to do the one this morning because I was | 467.4690 |
356 | | 467.8511 | busy in the- | 468.5517 |
358 | | 469.0861 | raking leaves in the backyard. Trying to catch up on some of the spring cleaning on the outside. <laugh> | 473.6506 |
360 | | 474.5174 | But uh, I don't recall any spe- uh | 477.3079 |
362 | | 477.7591 | special ones which I could tell the whole story. | 479.5829 |
364 | | 479.9361 | I just enjoy their | 480.9930 |
366 | | 481.1874 | acting on the television, | 482.3526 |
368 | | 482.8097 | and I'm- | 483.3382 |
370 | | 483.6331 | and I haven't seen | 484.8325 |
372 | | 485.1056 | one yet in which there was a dull moment. | 487.1005 |
373 | DCA_int_01 | 487.2548 | [<laugh>] Yeah. | 489.5275 |
374 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 487.3841 | [<laugh>] | 488.7200 |
375 | DCA_int_01 | 492.1741 | You don't remember any of the | 493.4206 |
377 | | 494.2699 | plots, or anything like that, do you? | 496.2398 |
378 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 508.4360 | Yes, | 509.1847 |
380 | | 509.5179 | there was one uh | 510.6529 |
382 | | 511.2033 | plot in which | 512.2601 |
384 | | 512.7707 | Granny went to the races. | 514.4883 |
385 | DCA_int_01 | 514.6420 | <laugh> | 515.0576 |
386 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 515.6869 | I don't remember- remember all the details, | 517.6818 |
388 | | 518.2874 | but I do recall | 519.4125 |
390 | | 519.6105 | that was the- one of the funniest that | 521.8260 |
392 | | 522.9306 | I have seen | 523.8924 |
394 | | 524.2130 | on there. | 524.8186 |
396 | | 526.0773 | <laugh> | 526.5763 |
398 | | 526.9664 | The day Granny went to the races. <laugh> | 532.1283 |
399 | DCA_int_01 | 532.4226 | /That was a good one/? | 533.3145 |
400 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 533.3509 | N- | 533.9740 |
402 | | 534.1334 | [yes.] | 534.6260 |
403 | DCA_int_01 | 534.3618 | [What] did she do? | 535.2291 |
404 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 537.0274 | Well, I don't remember the exact details, I just recall that it was uh, | 540.5712 |
406 | | 540.8976 | uh, I do recall that | 542.2709 |
408 | | 543.5298 | she bet on a horse | 544.8261 |
410 | | 546.6936 | that was supposed to have | 547.8966 |
412 | | 548.6427 | lost the race, | 549.7338 |
414 | | 550.9019 | but it turned out that the horse won the race. | 553.1494 |
416 | | 554.3897 | And uh, | 555.2850 |
418 | | 557.6292 | well I don't recall the rest of it, but it was really funny. | 559.7679 |
420 | | 560.1301 | [<laugh>] | 561.4197 |
421 | DCA_int_01 | 561.0719 | [Yeah, that] sounds like a [/good- a really good./] | 563.5189 |
422 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 562.0282 | [Mm-hm.] | 562.5161 |
424 | | 562.7123 | [Mm-hm.] | 563.2457 |
425 | DCA_int_01 | 564.2622 | Are there any adventure stories that you watch? Like /these/ detectives and secret agents? | 569.4675 |
426 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 573.6484 | This /reminds/ me one at night time. What is it? (whispered) | 575.4666 |
428 | | 576.1194 | Uh (snapping fingers) | 576.9568 |
430 | | 581.2686 | comes on late at night, some detective story. (whispered) | 583.4881 |
431 | DCA_int_01 | 584.2715 | I don't even have a television, so I can't [<laugh>] | 586.8081 |
432 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 586.0993 | [No?] We've got four of them here. | 588.1053 |
433 | DCA_int_01 | 591.3031 | Well, there's no sense in- | 592.4126 |
434 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 594.7350 | Oh, if I turn one on, | 596.9505 |
436 | | 597.6767 | and it- it's a detective story, | 599.2674 |
438 | | 600.6929 | I'll like it, but I- i- if I'm in a mood to hear it- I- I'll | 604.3732 |
440 | | 604.5519 | probably | 605.2474 |
442 | | 605.4744 | well just sit there and look at it, you know. But I don't have | 607.6043 |
444 | | 607.9165 | many which who I prefer, so I just sit down and catch one now. | 610.7371 |
446 | | 610.9835 | For instance, like this afternoon at four thirty, | 612.7560 |
448 | | 613.1261 | I like to catch the um, | 614.4592 |
450 | | 615.4638 | story that comes on four thirty on | 617.2667 |
452 | | 617.6025 | WR- WRC TV uh because | 620.0878 |
454 | | 620.5168 | there's a time when I- | 621.4255 |
456 | | 622.2981 | I worked around the house. I've had my lunch. I've had my afternoon | 625.8347 |
458 | | 625.9748 | nap and I'm ready to | 627.2644 |
460 | | 627.5590 | see a | 627.8826 |
462 | | 628.2825 | TV show before | 629.5228 |
464 | | 630.1104 | dinner, you see. | 630.8658 |
465 | DCA_int_01 | 631.0327 | Mm-hm. | 631.3571 |
466 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 631.3571 | And it comes right in | 632.3357 |
467 | | 633.0072 | time for that. | 633.9304 |
469 | | 634.4340 | I don't know wh- I don't know what will be there on this afternoon, but, uh | 637.6234 |
471 | | 640.8595 | I'll p- I won't see it this afternoon, | 642.9694 |
473 | | 643.5756 | but I mean I usually look at it on the four thirty, because I have to- I'll have to take the car to the shop you see. I can't take it | 648.9333 |
475 | | 649.2505 | /let's see/ this afternoon. Some days I can't see it. | 650.9455 |
476 | DCA_int_01 | 653.0307 | You go to the movies | 654.0432 |
478 | | 654.1699 | ever? | 654.5264 |
479 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 655.6268 | Yes, I go to the movies, | 656.5729 |
481 | | 656.8084 | uh quite a bit. | 657.6985 |
483 | | 658.5448 | Went to see one last night. | 659.9292 |
484 | DCA_int_01 | 660.0901 | Really? | 660.4072 |
485 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 661.1737 | Yes. | 661.7593 |
487 | | 662.9031 | Well, | 663.3275 |
489 | | 663.5186 | uh | 663.9663 |
491 | | 664.3510 | it was | 664.8546 |
493 | | 668.6883 | ex-, er- uh an exciting movie. | 670.7260 |
495 | | 673.4574 | Uh, | 674.0449 |
497 | | 674.7350 | I go see different types of movies. | 676.4132 |
499 | | 676.6020 | The one last night, of course, I saw was the one about, ah, | 679.3848 |
501 | | 679.8357 | /unintelligible/ (whispered) | 681.0238 |
502 | DCA_int_01 | 681.7547 | Oh, yeah? | 682.5381 |
504 | | 683.8066 | Yeah, we'll take that off when we get into /inaudible/. | 685.6925 |
505 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 685.6829 | /I-/ | 685.8761 |
506 | | 686.9526 | And is uh, I went to see an exciting movie last night, | 689.3556 |
508 | | 689.6913 | but it wasn't- it uh | 691.1735 |
510 | | 692.3089 | that was intended for adults only, | 694.0808 |
512 | | 694.5145 | more or less. | 695.1253 |
514 | | 695.9647 | I don't think it was advertised that way, but it sh- if it was not, it should have been advertised that way. | 700.1924 |
516 | | 700.4536 | Yes, uh-huh, I wouldn't take a kid of mine there, but it was a good story. It's- it's a normal story and | 705.3202 |
518 | | 705.9450 | had to do with crime and what not, but it was a good story. | 708.9201 |
520 | | 709.3491 | It wasn't suited for | 710.8086 |
522 | | 712.7593 | children, | 713.2708 |
524 | | 714.1194 | and uh | 714.6988 |
526 | | 715.8692 | so uh, | 716.5546 |
528 | | 716.9576 | but I | 717.6617 |
530 | | 719.6061 | also saw the- | 720.7299 |
532 | | 723.2231 | the picture entitled | 724.5959 |
534 | | 724.7199 | The Guest Who Came For Dinner. | 726.2509 |
535 | DCA_int_01 | 726.8851 | Oh yeah? | 727.3094 |
536 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 727.4525 | I saw that, too. | 728.5716 |
538 | | 729.0793 | I might go back- go back uh- and it- that particular picture, | 732.1662 |
540 | | 733.0241 | uh, | 733.7702 |
542 | | 734.2085 | I thought it would be a lot of comedy, well it was a lot of comedy in it, | 737.0529 |
544 | | 737.5098 | but there's a lot of serious, | 738.4867 |
546 | | 738.7152 | uh seriousness to it, too. | 739.8762 |
547 | DCA_int_01 | 740.1499 | What's it about? | 740.7747 |
548 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 741.8845 | Well, it was about uh, | 743.5585 |
550 | | 744.8322 | the uh, | 745.6202 |
552 | | 748.0599 | this white girl | 749.3329 |
554 | | 749.8551 | being en- | 750.3028 |
556 | | 750.5172 | uh become engaged to this colored man. | 752.5659 |
558 | | 752.8358 | You know, Sydney Poitier was the | 754.1321 |
560 | | 754.4072 | actor, | 754.9015 |
562 | | 755.1300 | [was the man.] | 755.9227 |
563 | DCA_int_01 | 755.1346 | [/unintelligible/] | 755.9786 |
564 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 756.1512 | Uh-huh. | 756.6081 |
566 | | 757.1357 | And uh | 757.7618 |
568 | | 757.9577 | he was invited | 758.9334 |
570 | | 759.2878 | and- and oh | 760.3556 |
572 | | 760.5561 | then he was invited to come to dinner. | 762.4306 |
574 | | 762.8456 | His parents | 763.6888 |
576 | | 765.6425 | didn't approve of the engagement. | 767.4098 |
578 | | 769.5642 | As a matter of fact | 770.4501 |
580 | | 770.8838 | his parents disapproved, | 772.7256 |
582 | | 773.1919 | according to the picture, most- more than her parents | 775.6898 |
584 | | 775.9322 | did. | 776.1514 |
586 | | 777.5549 | Course he- her parents put up the battle, too. | 779.7917 |
588 | | 780.4678 | But since it was their daughter, | 781.9084 |
590 | | 782.1064 | they | 782.4541 |
592 | | 782.5700 | gave in. They gave in to her wishes and what not. | 785.2054 |
594 | | 786.0681 | And uh, | 786.6230 |
596 | | 788.5566 | not without some opposition. | 789.9601 |
598 | | 791.8332 | And uh, | 792.5250 |
600 | | 794.3807 | but his father | 795.6957 |
602 | | 796.8910 | was quite | 797.9355 |
604 | | 798.4017 | bitter. | 798.9007 |
605 | DCA_int_01 | 799.3002 | Oh [yeah?] | 799.9666 |
606 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 799.6033 | [He was] about the most bitter of all. | 801.5244 |
607 | | 801.7436 | Yes, he was. Uh-huh. | 803.2031 |
609 | | 804.3720 | He was just | 805.2533 |
611 | | 805.8968 | breaking convention, | 807.4775 |
613 | | 808.0356 | and uh | 808.8656 |
615 | | 809.2666 | of course, | 809.9847 |
617 | | 810.8007 | as his father | 811.8663 |
619 | | 812.0808 | lived | 812.7393 |
621 | | 813.7566 | that type of- | 814.4642 |
623 | | 815.2755 | of a breakthrough | 816.4785 |
625 | | 817.3538 | as he saw it, was not for his son. | 819.1537 |
626 | DCA_int_01 | 820.7982 | Is it the old school? | 821.9453 |
627 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 821.9407 | Yes, uh-huh. | 822.8438 |
628 | | 823.8183 | But it came out that uh | 825.4317 |
630 | | 826.5182 | the guest | 827.2814 |
632 | | 827.4819 | th- uh, it- it wound up that uh they - | 829.8647 |
634 | | 830.1817 | they, that engagement went through as | 832.4682 |
636 | | 832.9438 | the girl had planned, | 834.0598 |
638 | | 834.4652 | and what not. | 835.0738 |
639 | DCA_int_01 | 836.2126 | Where was there room for comedy in that? | 837.9799 |
640 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 839.2437 | Oh, | 839.7286 |
642 | | 841.0202 | there was a lot of room for comedy in that uh | 843.5009 |
643 | DCA_int_01 | 844.5750 | Most people got surprised that- | 846.1091 |
644 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 846.5350 | yes, well, uh | 847.9105 |
646 | | 848.7794 | when this | 849.3017 |
648 | | 849.5208 | uh the /snow/ called- the so-called snobs came in | 853.7440 |
650 | | 854.2056 | who were | 854.8817 |
652 | | 855.1055 | uh, | 855.4413 |
654 | | 858.0697 | some people who were | 859.3193 |
656 | | 859.6443 | the wi- the um | 860.6748 |
658 | | 861.1178 | the um | 862.1296 |
660 | | 862.7731 | fiancee's | 863.6483 |
662 | | 864.8665 | friends- | 865.5810 |
664 | | 865.9937 | of the friend- of their- her- of her family rather. | 868.1771 |
666 | | 868.5851 | They're the ones that uh | 869.9327 |
668 | | 870.8233 | were real | 871.6207 |
670 | | 872.1149 | comic | 872.5533 |
672 | | 873.1827 | in their resistance to the girl be- becoming engaged to this | 876.7217 |
674 | | 877.5459 | colored man. | 878.1055 |
676 | | 878.8795 | It was really funny. That part was funny, | 880.5756 |
678 | | 881.1305 | and of course, | 881.8037 |
680 | | 882.0293 | the seriousness of his father | 883.8106 |
682 | | 884.7152 | was such | 885.4662 |
684 | | 886.2230 | that it | 886.7919 |
686 | | 887.7799 | reverted back | 888.8384 |
688 | | 889.1927 | to the | 889.6893 |
690 | | 892.0412 | comic side, you know? I mean you can get so serious [that you- you] can become | 896.4797 |
691 | DCA_int_01 | 894.4727 | [So serious.] | 895.1586 |
692 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 896.9384 | uh | 897.6565 |
694 | | 897.9106 | funny | 898.2160 |
696 | | 899.3369 | to- | 899.6610 |
698 | | 900.6565 | to your uh viewers, | 902.2256 |
700 | | 902.5380 | but not to the father himself. Wasn't funny to him. | 904.6963 |
702 | | 905.4586 | But he was so serious about being bent against | 908.2563 |
704 | | 908.8532 | his son marrying this girl, | 910.2124 |
706 | | 910.9678 | that it got to the point I mean he had a real | 913.7096 |
708 | | 916.2182 | grouchy, look on his face | 917.5309 |
709 | DCA_int_01 | 917.5355 | Hm. | 917.8200 |
710 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 918.3084 | and if you've never seen a man that | 919.6513 |
712 | | 920.7331 | uh showing that much opposition | 922.2765 |
714 | | 922.5796 | from his expression, | 923.4562 |
716 | | 923.7500 | the picture's worthwhile seeing. | 925.0964 |
718 | | 925.6979 | <laugh> | 926.3181 |
719 | DCA_int_01 | 926.3274 | That sounds like /the kind of movie I'd see/. | 928.2402 |
720 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 928.2952 | <laugh> | 928.6542 |
722 | | 928.9725 | Oh, it- it's they have a pretty full house there. | 931.1687 |
724 | | 932.1339 | Mm-hm. It's been there for ov- ab- b- it's been there uh | 934.8652 |
726 | | 935.1123 | almost three weeks now, I think, at the Palace. | 937.0450 |
727 | DCA_int_01 | 937.4917 | No kidding. | 937.9864 |
729 | | 939.9140 | Did you ever have a pet? | 940.7067 |
731 | | 941.4722 | /At some point in your life/? | 942.3449 |
732 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 943.0801 | Yes, we had a pet once | 944.6759 |
734 | | 946.0422 | that couldn't be a p- a pet that wasn't a pet. | 948.4109 |
736 | | 948.9830 | Oh, yes. We had others- had others here too. | 951.1186 |
738 | | 951.5896 | Uh, | 951.9999 |
740 | | 952.4009 | we had a dog here, a Doberman Pincher. | 954.4698 |
742 | | 955.6215 | And uh | 956.2370 |
744 | | 956.5110 | but she was uh | 957.9425 |
746 | | 959.1175 | sort of mentally unbalanced. | 960.4838 |
747 | DCA_int_01 | 961.0200 | <laugh> | 961.2019 |
749 | | 962.0550 | A dog mentally unbalanced? | 963.6818 |
750 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 963.7337 | Oh yes, oh yes. | 964.6142 |
752 | | 964.6795 | Many dogs here I think mentally unbalanced. One of 'em back here now thinks mental, the way he chases cars I think is mentally unbalanced. He does a lot of crazy things, chases birds. | 971.4593 |
754 | | 972.0906 | Yes, I- I think there plenty animals that are | 974.7965 |
756 | | 975.9715 | well, maybe not, b- you wouldn't call him mentally unbalanced as I said it. Uh, I- I just- he's- maybe he's just not a conventional dog. | 981.8281 |
757 | DCA_int_01 | 981.9328 | Mm-hm. | 982.2969 |
758 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 982.4250 | I mean you can make friends with him. | 984.1596 |
760 | | 985.7675 | Maybe he's not mentally unbalanced, but uh, | 987.6428 |
762 | | 989.4159 | maybe I use a too s- a too strong a term for a dog, | 992.2684 |
764 | | 993.5367 | uh | 994.1336 |
765 | DCA_int_01 | 994.6372 | No, you're probably right. | 995.9801 |
766 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 995.9801 | but, uh, he- he- he wasn't a too a friendly dog. Well no Pinchers are. | 1000.9414 |
767 | | 1001.3101 | Usually Pinchers are one man dogs anyway. | 1003.4084 |
769 | | 1004.3130 | But uh | 1004.9192 |
771 | | 1005.5813 | this one | 1006.2598 |
773 | | 1007.2206 | uh, | 1007.5201 |
775 | | 1007.9104 | he just didn't uh | 1009.2440 |
777 | | 1010.4470 | act like a regular dog acts. Even th- um uh the- the- the uh um | 1015.3244 |
779 | | 1018.1781 | eccentric Pinchers, | 1019.4441 |
781 | | 1019.8358 | which are eccentric dogs. | 1021.1857 |
783 | | 1021.8712 | and this one was most eccentric. | 1023.7993 |
784 | DCA_int_01 | 1024.3015 | Uh. | 1024.5751 |
785 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1025.4500 | I can use the c- word eccentric for a dog, can I? [<laugh>] | 1028.0892 |
786 | DCA_int_01 | 1027.8653 | [Yeah] you do. | 1028.9844 |
787 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1029.0497 | Well, you call him for his fo- his- call her for her food, she wouldn't come to you. | 1032.5584 |
788 | DCA_int_01 | 1032.8475 | Hm. | 1033.0154 |
789 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1033.5353 | And after a while you call | 1035.0088 |
791 | | 1035.3166 | until you're tired, | 1036.9952 |
793 | | 1037.6946 | and you see her peaking around the corner of the building | 1039.9010 |
795 | | 1040.1949 | [and things.] | 1040.8112 |
796 | DCA_int_01 | 1040.3805 | [Oh no.] | 1041.1172 |
797 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1041.0799 | <laugh> | 1042.3575 |
798 | | 1043.5979 | And so uh, | 1044.5771 |
800 | | 1045.8082 | she had some puppies. We had to have her destroyed | 1047.7140 |
802 | | 1048.0497 | because uh | 1048.8051 |
804 | | 1049.8869 | of the illness that resulted | 1051.1086 |
805 | DCA_int_01 | 1051.7404 | Um. | 1051.9549 |
806 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1052.8222 | from the birth of the puppies. | 1054.3610 |
808 | | 1055.5453 | Had to have her destroyed. | 1056.7390 |
810 | | 1058.4270 | We've had | 1059.0612 |
812 | | 1061.1035 | um | 1061.8682 |
814 | | 1062.0735 | a parakeet here. We've had a canary. | 1064.0599 |
816 | | 1065.9612 | Don't have any now. | 1066.9218 |
818 | | 1067.1083 | Uh | 1067.5839 |
820 | | 1067.9103 | we st- we have- we have a tropical fish here now. | 1070.4038 |
821 | DCA_int_01 | 1070.7815 | Oh. | 1071.0473 |
822 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1071.2664 | Mm-hm. | 1071.6768 |
823 | DCA_int_01 | 1071.7840 | Very interesting. | 1072.5907 |
824 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1072.5860 | Yes, uh-huh. | 1073.2855 |
825 | | 1074.5165 | Quite interesting I think. | 1075.5936 |
826 | DCA_int_01 | 1076.0727 | Do you have to | 1076.6090 |
828 | | 1077.7560 | bubble oxygen through the water and- | 1079.4860 |
829 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1079.4906 | Yeah, yeah- not oxygen. We have air, not [oxygen] Yes, uh-huh. | 1082.6809 |
830 | DCA_int_01 | 1081.6224 | [Air.] | 1081.8556 |
831 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1084.0273 | And uh, | 1084.6988 |
833 | | 1085.1604 | we also have | 1086.1443 |
835 | | 1087.1795 | uh, | 1087.9255 |
837 | | 1088.8628 | we have a um | 1089.7487 |
839 | | 1090.4750 | filters down there and also have the | 1092.1583 |
841 | | 1092.3868 | pump- | 1092.6199 |
843 | | 1093.0163 | air pump. | 1093.5979 |
844 | DCA_int_01 | 1093.6900 | Mm-hm. | 1094.1460 |
845 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1095.3570 | And also uh | 1096.5076 |
847 | | 1099.1188 | I have a- a pump down there attached to steam engine. | 1101.5762 |
848 | DCA_int_01 | 1101.8548 | Oh [yeah?] | 1102.4174 |
849 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1102.1672 | [<laugh>] Well, I- | 1102.5767 |
850 | | 1102.6848 | I don't- we haven't used it yet, but I can use it for that purpose. | 1105.0584 |
852 | | 1105.5478 | Yeah, I'm gonna use it. | 1106.2892 |
854 | | 1106.7462 | I had it operating the other day | 1108.0938 |
856 | | 1108.4890 | uh, on the steam engine to see how it work and it took off like a jet. | 1111.7390 |
858 | | 1112.6762 | Oh yes, like a steam [engine <laugh>] | 1114.5898 |
859 | DCA_int_01 | 1113.9166 | [<laugh>] | 1114.6188 |
860 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1115.3982 | So it's uh | 1115.9904 |
862 | | 1116.7132 | uh, | 1117.4266 |
864 | | 1118.4244 | one of the largest steam engines that you can get | 1121.1444 |
866 | | 1122.1537 | uh | 1122.9790 |
868 | | 1124.3219 | which you might can use as a sort of a hobby, | 1126.3037 |
870 | | 1127.1477 | you know. | 1127.5813 |
872 | | 1127.9299 | And steam engines, I've had two. This is the biggest one I've- I have | 1130.8722 |
874 | | 1131.2405 | there now is the | 1132.4742 |
876 | | 1133.7632 | operate every night- I had to operate another night down there while I was | 1136.2194 |
878 | | 1137.5669 | looking at television. <laugh> | 1138.9891 |
879 | DCA_int_01 | 1140.6526 | Is that a hobby of yours, or? | 1142.0095 |
880 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1144.0752 | Well, they have to call it a hobby because I like to fool with them. I always did like steam engines. You know that- that- this is something that uh | 1149.9284 |
882 | | 1151.0429 | that hangs on to me ever since I was | 1153.5422 |
884 | | 1154.3127 | a small kid. You know, the fire department used to have steam engines to pump water. | 1157.8239 |
885 | DCA_int_01 | 1158.3694 | Oh yeah? | 1158.8266 |
886 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1158.8031 | Steam pumpers, that's before your time. | 1160.5082 |
887 | | 1161.2683 | You don't remember that I don't supp- unless you see one in a museum. | 1163.4785 |
888 | DCA_int_01 | 1163.4960 | Yeah, I did. I saw one in the Smithsonian. | 1165.5570 |
889 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1165.5574 | Yes, | 1166.0973 |
890 | DCA_int_01 | 1166.0922 | [/inaudible/] | 1166.6540 |
891 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1166.3507 | [uh] they have them in the- in the Smithsonian and uh | 1168.8774 |
892 | | 1169.6421 | and uh some places, they have different types. They have a uh | 1172.0482 |
894 | | 1175.3309 | um | 1175.7785 |
896 | | 1176.0590 | (snapping) | 1177.1506 |
898 | | 1178.8374 | I can't think of what the name is called. | 1180.3238 |
900 | | 1180.4204 | A steam engine, but i- it's a- it doesn't as pump as /much as/ a direct pumping engine pumps. | 1184.0164 |
902 | | 1184.3211 | I mean the- | 1184.8427 |
904 | | 1185.0263 | the direct pumping engines have more capacity than the- | 1187.4074 |
906 | | 1188.0335 | the other type. | 1188.8980 |
908 | | 1190.6178 | And uh, | 1191.2602 |
910 | | 1191.8198 | I have always been an admirer of steam engines. | 1194.5741 |
911 | DCA_int_01 | 1194.6247 | Mm-hm. | 1195.0141 |
912 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1195.5128 | I- when I was in the- in the department I used to go and inspect buildings | 1198.8701 |
914 | | 1199.3010 | and uh, I g-, inspect the ammonia plants | 1201.5671 |
916 | | 1202.3447 | those that operated by steam. | 1204.1072 |
918 | | 1204.3777 | I would watch them for a long time. Just look at them. | 1206.2242 |
920 | | 1206.6439 | <laugh> It always [fascinated] me , | 1208.9964 |
921 | DCA_int_01 | 1208.2379 | [/What/?] | 1208.5470 |
922 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1209.3043 | and also the- | 1210.0863 |
924 | | 1210.3613 | the trains. | 1211.2575 |
925 | DCA_int_01 | 1211.3848 | Mm-hm. | 1212.0283 |
926 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1212.0936 | Trains always, uh | 1213.7404 |
928 | | 1214.4246 | railroad trains | 1215.4021 |
930 | | 1215.6416 | always- | 1216.2281 |
932 | | 1216.8428 | the uh | 1217.6192 |
934 | | 1217.8196 | steam engines always fascinated me. I'd go to watch 'em, | 1220.0287 |
936 | | 1220.1949 | wait for one to come past the different areas when I was a kid, you know. | 1222.7510 |
938 | | 1223.0211 | See them shoot pass and | 1224.2241 |
940 | | 1225.0075 | uh | 1225.6230 |
942 | | 1226.2292 | coming into Washington and | 1227.4788 |
944 | | 1227.8367 | places like that. | 1228.5921 |
946 | | 1228.8812 | Matter of fact, I raced one one time. | 1230.4386 |
947 | DCA_int_01 | 1230.4852 | Did you really? | 1231.2686 |
948 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1231.2779 | Yes, I was going to um | 1232.7537 |
950 | | 1235.3369 | Chicago from Detroit | 1237.0715 |
952 | | 1238.8633 | uh | 1239.2270 |
954 | | 1239.4846 | back in nineteen thirty-five. I had a nineteen thirty-five Ford at that time. | 1243.2522 |
956 | | 1244.0356 | Brand new car. | 1244.8842 |
958 | | 1246.3950 | The was one of the | 1247.0851 |
960 | | 1247.4395 | first- | 1248.0830 |
962 | | 1248.7684 | that was the first V eight, | 1249.9807 |
964 | | 1250.3538 | but it was one of the first V eight engines that th- Ford put out. | 1252.8997 |
966 | | 1253.6178 | And I raced. I was on a | 1255.0415 |
968 | | 1255.2516 | high speed highway, | 1256.6054 |
970 | | 1256.7521 | and I was racing a New York Central train. | 1259.4108 |
972 | | 1262.0577 | It was, I guess on its way from to Chicago from um | 1264.7621 |
974 | | 1265.5921 | uh Detroit. That's what I was- | 1266.8704 |
976 | | 1267.0610 | where I was on a way for to anyway, and he was | 1269.6953 |
978 | | 1270.0626 | almost side by side with me. | 1272.0210 |
980 | | 1272.8044 | And I raced that train, and | 1274.6445 |
982 | | 1274.9231 | I went | 1275.3239 |
984 | | 1275.7140 | beside him neck to neck | 1276.8518 |
986 | | 1277.5859 | at seventy five miles an hour. | 1279.2765 |
987 | DCA_int_01 | 1279.5749 | Hm. | 1279.8174 |
988 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1280.4842 | <laugh> So uh- | 1282.9563 |
990 | | 1283.0669 | I /thought- got- that- I-/ then I said that's too long. [I cut down.] | 1286.6103 |
991 | DCA_int_01 | 1285.6134 | [<laugh>] | 1286.4154 |
992 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1286.9036 | Racing of trains. He had the right of way, and I didn't have a right of the way. | 1289.2740 |
994 | | 1289.4384 | Although, the- the- the uh | 1290.7531 |
996 | | 1290.8948 | the- the uh | 1292.1314 |
998 | | 1292.5321 | roadway now was /uh not as unlimited/. | 1294.7340 |
1000 | | 1295.4847 | But uh, | 1296.0583 |
1002 | | 1296.8417 | just racing the train, | 1298.1659 |
1004 | | 1298.8374 | I cut it out. | 1299.5461 |
1005 | DCA_int_01 | 1299.5648 | Yeah. | 1299.9378 |
1006 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1300.2549 | Uh they permitted the high speed driving on the road, but uh | 1302.8288 |
1008 | | 1303.3511 | I just let him go ahead. | 1304.2438 |
1010 | | 1304.4637 | <laugh> | 1305.0453 |
1011 | DCA_int_01 | 1305.0624 | For your own safety. | 1306.3867 |
1012 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1306.3867 | Yes, uh-huh. | 1307.2260 |
1013 | | 1307.7109 | So, I bought that steam engine. That's uh, | 1309.6833 |
1015 | | 1310.1683 | uh i- it's still with me. | 1311.4552 |
1016 | DCA_int_01 | 1312.0711 | Mm. | 1312.2890 |
1017 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1313.1898 | Yesterday's living. | 1314.0727 |
1018 | DCA_int_01 | 1314.4426 | Yeah. | 1314.8176 |
1019 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1314.7922 | <laugh> | 1315.5586 |
1020 | DCA_int_01 | 1315.6425 | Oh, I love steam engines [since I can] remember as a kid. | 1318.2367 |
1021 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1316.6684 | [Mm-hm.] | 1317.2559 |
1022 | | 1318.4403 | Yeah. | 1318.8413 |
1023 | DCA_int_01 | 1320.4919 | What did you study in school when you were a kid? Can you remember? | 1323.6217 |
1024 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1324.8994 | In grade school? | 1325.7480 |
1025 | DCA_int_01 | 1325.9066 | Yeah. | 1326.1024 |
1026 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1327.3800 | Well, I went to the Catholic school, | 1328.9934 |
1028 | | 1330.6791 | and uh | 1331.5277 |
1030 | | 1332.1275 | course all Catholic schools have | 1334.6892 |
1032 | | 1335.0156 | religion. | 1335.6217 |
1034 | | 1337.3657 | Uh, they have uh | 1338.4661 |
1036 | | 1339.4826 | three times a week, they have what is known as catechism. | 1341.8233 |
1038 | | 1342.3770 | That is questions and answers, | 1343.8505 |
1040 | | 1344.6619 | uh, as to | 1345.6784 |
1042 | | 1346.9467 | who made you, | 1347.9072 |
1044 | | 1348.1355 | who is God, | 1348.9049 |
1046 | | 1349.9167 | uh | 1350.5649 |
1048 | | 1351.1074 | the Ten Commandments | 1352.2591 |
1050 | | 1354.3746 | and different practices | 1355.9916 |
1052 | | 1357.8890 | of your | 1358.5744 |
1054 | | 1358.8962 | faith | 1359.0734 |
1056 | | 1359.2692 | as a | 1359.7262 |
1058 | | 1360.1365 | Roman Catholic. | 1360.9152 |
1060 | | 1361.9832 | Then twice a week | 1362.9157 |
1062 | | 1363.3307 | they had what is known as Bible History. | 1365.8394 |
1064 | | 1368.3430 | That was | 1369.2232 |
1066 | | 1370.7002 | not in a- in the cata- /catechol/ form. | 1372.9416 |
1068 | | 1373.1607 | That was straight history | 1374.2903 |
1070 | | 1374.9944 | but the catechism itself, | 1376.4696 |
1072 | | 1376.9917 | what you should do under certain circumstances | 1379.3180 |
1074 | | 1379.4890 | of living | 1380.0884 |
1076 | | 1380.6849 | was | 1381.2584 |
1078 | | 1382.2486 | in the form of questions and answers. | 1384.5427 |
1080 | | 1385.9665 | Now, of course they had reading, spelling, | 1387.9079 |
1082 | | 1390.2518 | and of course the Catholic schools always had drills | 1393.7989 |
1084 | | 1394.5496 | in | 1395.0065 |
1086 | | 1395.9624 | the mulitplica- oh, in the uh | 1397.7655 |
1088 | | 1399.7146 | tables. | 1400.3674 |
1090 | | 1401.2939 | Arithmetic tables. | 1402.4783 |
1092 | | 1404.4397 | Addition, | 1405.1544 |
1094 | | 1405.8215 | multiplication | 1406.8660 |
1096 | | 1408.6087 | subtraction and division. | 1410.0554 |
1098 | | 1412.6666 | Mm, they have- they had drills. I mean if uh uh, if you- you wouldn't guess at at all, | 1417.6670 |
1100 | | 1417.9114 | try to | 1418.2829 |
1102 | | 1418.6006 | tax your mind, | 1419.4461 |
1104 | | 1419.6807 | you'd have to memorize them. | 1420.9564 |
1106 | | 1421.8805 | And | 1422.2253 |
1108 | | 1422.4989 | they all- everybody recited those tables in concert, | 1425.7425 |
1109 | DCA_int_01 | 1426.3394 | Oh. | 1426.6191 |
1110 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1426.6378 | which meant | 1427.2184 |
1112 | | 1427.4335 | that they weren't hard to memorize, and you'd find a lot of | 1430.3171 |
1114 | | 1431.0396 | the uh | 1431.7784 |
1116 | | 1432.0570 | pupils that finished in the Catholic schools would know their tables because | 1435.7538 |
1118 | | 1436.5699 | they had those drills on tables. | 1438.7741 |
1120 | | 1440.3794 | They required that. | 1441.1628 |
1122 | | 1443.5688 | Not that they- they were any smarter than the public school children, but the thing of is | 1446.9095 |
1124 | | 1447.2858 | something that you do everyday, you [won't forget that so] very easily. | 1449.9788 |
1125 | DCA_int_01 | 1448.7569 | [/inaudible/] | 1449.5194 |
1126 | | 1450.0716 | Yeah. | 1450.4770 |
1128 | | 1452.8200 | What did the kids do when school got out? | 1454.7225 |
1130 | | 1456.1694 | Do you remember? | 1456.9172 |
1132 | | 1457.9073 | Or do you notice what the kids do around here after school? | 1460.7423 |
1133 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1461.8241 | Well, let's see. | 1462.6582 |
1135 | | 1464.3233 | I think the kids | 1465.2747 |
1137 | | 1466.0309 | today, | 1466.7482 |
1139 | | 1468.6879 | the /grade/ school kids today, | 1470.1428 |
1141 | | 1470.9500 | are | 1471.8027 |
1143 | | 1475.9985 | well I think they uh, well they're different. | 1478.5164 |
1145 | | 1480.1951 | Communication is different. They have radio, they have TV. | 1483.3845 |
1147 | | 1484.1119 | They have means of play- | 1485.8605 |
1149 | | 1486.1403 | better means of playing. | 1487.4086 |
1151 | | 1487.9681 | They're | 1488.2415 |
1153 | | 1488.6425 | better clothed | 1489.5751 |
1155 | | 1490.1440 | than we were. | 1490.8154 |
1157 | | 1492.4976 | You see all these kids around here, all going to school, they have um, | 1495.3606 |
1159 | | 1495.7896 | in bad weather, they have bad weather clothes on. | 1498.0604 |
1161 | | 1498.6852 | That's why I wonder sometimes why they close the schools because | 1501.3897 |
1162 | DCA_int_01 | 1501.5949 | <laugh> | 1501.8164 |
1163 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1501.8094 | kids around here are prepared to go in school in snow, | 1504.2993 |
1164 | | 1504.5283 | and a lot of 'em like it, | 1505.4050 |
1166 | | 1506.4028 | you see. | 1506.9624 |
1168 | | 1508.2668 | And uh | 1508.9290 |
1170 | | 1510.0434 | we didn't- they didn't close school for us. | 1511.4842 |
1171 | DCA_int_01 | 1512.1557 | Oh no? | 1512.6639 |
1172 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1512.7887 | No. | 1513.2690 |
1174 | | 1513.4508 | No, they didn't close school when /we were going/- it was cold days of going to school, get to school you're so cold you couldn't sit in a chair so well. | 1518.2629 |
1176 | | 1518.5019 | But, these kids are well protected against cold. | 1520.3204 |
1178 | | 1520.9049 | And they don't have as far to go. | 1522.0799 |
1180 | | 1523.5846 | Most of them don't have as far to go, you see. | 1525.1373 |
1182 | | 1527.0491 | And uh | 1527.7392 |
1184 | | 1530.8822 | but uh | 1531.5163 |
1186 | | 1532.5468 | after school, | 1533.6053 |
1188 | | 1534.7012 | they'd get a little rough every now and then, | 1536.8182 |
1190 | | 1537.6808 | but not uh, | 1538.6227 |
1192 | | 1539.5134 | but uh | 1539.9983 |
1194 | | 1540.4274 | uh, those days it was to be expected, because uh, | 1543.8826 |
1196 | | 1548.8364 | because <laugh> | 1549.8436 |
1198 | | 1550.3052 | I like- I don't- I- I never thought of why it was that the | 1553.4107 |
1200 | | 1554.3807 | uh, | 1555.2946 |
1202 | | 1557.7255 | well, but | 1558.3446 |
1204 | | 1558.6384 | while the kids were little different, little- got a little rough coming home from school. | 1561.6879 |
1206 | | 1562.2382 | They had their battles. | 1563.1068 |
1208 | | 1563.7596 | They had their battles every now and then. | 1565.3076 |
1210 | | 1567.0828 | Uh, someone r- would take somebody's hat in school, | 1570.2862 |
1212 | | 1570.7385 | and the boys /were loud/ and teacher corrected him for it, | 1573.1870 |
1214 | | 1573.8029 | and of course it was, I'll get you after school. <laugh> | 1577.1162 |
1216 | | 1577.5358 | And that [happens,] | 1578.3845 |
1217 | DCA_int_01 | 1578.0718 | [/I remember that./] | 1578.4941 |
1218 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1578.7482 | well that happens [in s-] sometimes now too, but not- I don't think it happens much. | 1582.7583 |
1219 | DCA_int_01 | 1579.5198 | [School.] | 1579.8585 |
1220 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1584.6176 | I don't know. It's hard to say which | 1586.4588 |
1222 | | 1586.6543 | is which. I never had a | 1587.7491 |
1224 | | 1588.5717 | tally on that. | 1589.3085 |
1226 | | 1590.8320 | But i- I don't see | 1592.1936 |
1228 | | 1592.7631 | UH, | 1592.9100 |
1230 | | 1593.1127 | they'll play out here, | 1594.2639 |
1232 | | 1594.8235 | but as far as uh | 1596.2503 |
1234 | | 1596.9311 | fighting, I don't see much of it around kids now. | 1599.1285 |
1235 | DCA_int_01 | 1602.3645 | Good. | 1602.5977 |
1237 | | 1603.7821 | Did you ever a teacher that hollered a lot? | 1605.4700 |
1239 | | 1607.8236 | Do you remember? | 1608.6163 |
1240 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1608.9684 | Hollowed? | 1609.5209 |
1241 | DCA_int_01 | 1609.8846 | Hollered at the kids? | 1610.9384 |
1242 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1612.4757 | Yes, I've- yes, I've had teachers that uh | 1614.3968 |
1244 | | 1614.9190 | pretty st- were pretty strict. /I put up/- uh, pretty strict on the kids. | 1617.3873 |
1246 | | 1618.8547 | I had a sister who was - | 1619.7121 |
1248 | | 1619.9271 | uh, one of the Catholic sisters was pretty strict. She's v- she was very strict. | 1622.8107 |
1250 | | 1624.1642 | And uh | 1624.8124 |
1252 | | 1625.5584 | and of course there was some | 1626.8594 |
1254 | | 1626.9946 | pretty rough | 1627.4702 |
1256 | | 1629.5127 | children in the room, too you see? It's- they had to be strict sometimes. | 1633.0426 |
1258 | | 1633.9690 | Uh but they got order. | 1634.8142 |
1260 | | 1635.0182 | Most of them got order | 1635.9169 |
1262 | | 1636.4622 | in the schools. | 1637.0637 |
1263 | DCA_int_01 | 1637.5953 | /What/ did they used to holler about? | 1639.1352 |
1265 | | 1639.3544 | Do you know? | 1640.5096 |
1266 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1641.4128 | Well, | 1641.9397 |
1268 | | 1642.2288 | for instance, you know how that is uh, | 1644.4203 |
1270 | | 1644.6768 | some people uh | 1645.6047 |
1272 | | 1647.1327 | well teachers, you know, are like anybody else. | 1649.8575 |
1274 | | 1650.5414 | They have their emotional | 1651.9076 |
1276 | | 1652.7376 | problems and what not, and they get disgusted with children sometimes, too because the children don't uh | 1657.4814 |
1278 | | 1658.5431 | do what they tell them. | 1659.4430 |
1280 | | 1660.4721 | They don't follow the instructions. | 1661.7544 |
1282 | | 1662.4165 | And of course, | 1663.1954 |
1284 | | 1663.4796 | sometimes the case where the children uh | 1665.6775 |
1286 | | 1665.8920 | just don't understand. | 1666.9738 |
1288 | | 1667.9795 | In that case it could be the teacher's fault, you see. | 1670.0545 |
1290 | | 1672.0114 | And uh, | 1672.5990 |
1292 | | 1674.9756 | but uh, | 1675.4652 |
1294 | | 1675.7030 | you have uh | 1676.4724 |
1296 | | 1676.8827 | some children who w- just wouldn't study- just wouldn't study, too. | 1680.0614 |
1298 | | 1681.4478 | That's another case | 1682.4690 |
1300 | | 1683.1172 | uh | 1683.6767 |
1302 | | 1683.8679 | where the teacher could become impatient with a child, you see. | 1686.5336 |
1304 | | 1686.8367 | He's working his- | 1687.6904 |
1306 | | 1688.0075 | she's working her tongue off to teach him something, | 1689.8074 |
1308 | | 1690.5068 | and he goes home and doesn't study. | 1692.2321 |
1310 | | 1694.4236 | And uh, | 1695.1735 |
1312 | | 1695.4509 | while she's teaching something, he's playing. | 1697.4327 |
1314 | | 1698.5658 | See the- the- that would work on anybody's patience, whether you are a teacher or a nun, whoever you might be, | 1703.2753 |
1316 | | 1703.9551 | you see.. | 1704.2908 |
1318 | | 1705.5603 | And so | 1706.1245 |
1320 | | 1707.5234 | uh, yeah- there were problems in those days, a lot of them. | 1711.5040 |
1322 | | 1712.3154 | A lot of problems in those days. | 1713.8215 |
1324 | | 1717.3841 | The environment wasn't- huh? | 1718.5032 |
1326 | | 1718.9680 | The environment wasn't as free then as it was now. There was so much suppression at that time, you see, that uh, | 1724.1765 |
1328 | | 1724.9553 | that weighed on people's minds and on their lives that uh | 1727.4313 |
1330 | | 1730.9364 | uh, | 1731.5099 |
1332 | | 1732.9446 | you'd have to f- | 1733.5648 |
1334 | | 1734.6590 | f- | 1734.8769 |
1336 | | 1735.5154 | find this | 1736.2739 |
1338 | | 1736.4963 | smooth airs of- of- smooth running yous- for yourself, you see. | 1739.5225 |
1340 | | 1740.3572 | And then there is, I guess there are some who | 1742.5270 |
1342 | | 1745.4275 | uh | 1746.2808 |
1344 | | 1747.4186 | children that adjusted easily | 1748.9014 |
1346 | | 1749.6646 | to situations. | 1750.6112 |
1348 | | 1750.8470 | What- there weren't too many- as- as many I don't think as there are now days. | 1753.8919 |
1350 | | 1754.1362 | Well, I don't know, I take that back because | 1756.0912 |
1352 | | 1756.8053 | we are having a lot of trouble nowadays s- | 1758.5352 |
1354 | | 1758.8383 | with the, | 1759.4911 |
1356 | | 1760.2698 | not so much with the smaller children I don't think, but the- the larger ones, | 1763.0661 |
1358 | | 1764.1409 | with teenagers and what not. | 1765.3439 |
1359 | DCA_int_01 | 1768.0335 | You think chan- | 1768.6023 |
1360 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1768.6023 | But we had our problems though, you d- don't you forget that. We had uh plenty of them. | 1772.2301 |
1361 | | 1772.6334 | As a matter of fact- and I think they're worse than they are today. Many people say that the problems today are | 1776.5969 |
1363 | | 1777.4292 | are worse now. Maybe in some areas they are pretty bad | 1779.9075 |
1365 | | 1780.6536 | but I don't think they are as ba- I know they're not as bad | 1782.7042 |
1367 | | 1782.9193 | anywhere, | 1783.4520 |
1369 | | 1783.6622 | even in the deep south, as they were those days, | 1785.8092 |
1371 | | 1785.9105 | uh | 1786.2721 |
1373 | | 1786.4950 | back in those days. | 1787.4104 |
1375 | | 1788.9220 | Uh | 1789.3324 |
1377 | | 1790.2929 | you s- read in the papers this- this morning where | 1792.4309 |
1379 | | 1793.0184 | uh | 1793.4754 |
1381 | | 1796.1180 | sixteen white men were | 1797.5729 |
1383 | | 1798.4029 | indicted | 1798.9904 |
1385 | | 1799.6805 | for killing a Negro in Mississippi. | 1801.0234 |
1387 | | 1801.9700 | You hear that [in those days.] | 1803.0984 |
1388 | DCA_int_01 | 1802.4615 | [/unintelligible/] | 1803.4850 |
1389 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1803.3502 | [No], no indeed, you didn't /think that/ <laugh> /you would've/- | 1806.6702 |
1390 | DCA_int_01 | 1806.6608 | /unintelligible/ | 1807.2577 |
1391 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1807.2518 | Oh, <laugh> that's right. | 1808.6006 |
1392 | | 1808.9036 | No, you'd hear for that in those days. | 1810.2867 |
1394 | | 1810.6565 | And I mean there's a lot of- a lot of attached to that. I mean that uh | 1813.4295 |
1396 | | 1814.1957 | uh the uh, | 1815.1049 |
1398 | | 1815.6472 | certain people could do no wrong, | 1817.6662 |
1400 | | 1818.7247 | and- and uh /the others/- | 1820.2589 |
1402 | | 1820.4414 | everybody was wrong. | 1821.5192 |
1403 | DCA_int_01 | 1825.5328 | Do you think things are changing then or? | 1827.3560 |
1404 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1828.3119 | Oh yes, definitely so, definitely so. People- they- maybe- are they aren't changing fast enough for the number of people that we have on our hands. I mean | 1834.4471 |
1406 | | 1834.8901 | and uh, for instance, like uh, | 1836.9592 |
1408 | | 1838.7918 | you see we have | 1839.6124 |
1410 | | 1839.9621 | so many | 1840.5963 |
1412 | | 1842.0453 | uh | 1842.7681 |
1414 | | 1843.2064 | people um, both Negroes and whites who are migrating from the south. | 1846.5124 |
1416 | | 1847.3739 | Mostly Negroes | 1848.2790 |
1418 | | 1848.7308 | because of- they're chased from the farms, and | 1850.9689 |
1420 | | 1851.5705 | because there- there's no food for 'em to eat, | 1853.4306 |
1422 | | 1853.6265 | and out of the S- S- States, and of course there are in the States, | 1857.7940 |
1424 | | 1858.7638 | uh there are still a lot of prejudices in the States, not only in the South, in the North too you see. | 1862.7178 |
1426 | | 1863.0013 | And they- and uh | 1864.0717 |
1428 | | 1864.8897 | it's | 1865.0949 |
1430 | | 1865.4213 | taking its toll- it's showing itself now. | 1867.0906 |
1432 | | 1867.3471 | Especially with the uh, I was reading the paper this morning about | 1870.4235 |
1434 | | 1870.8385 | where the white people are moving to the suburbs, you see. | 1873.1839 |
1436 | | 1873.8460 | And what they- creating a | 1875.1878 |
1438 | | 1875.7846 | se- segregated city- city pattern, you see. | 1878.1954 |
1440 | | 1879.0673 | Which | 1879.4197 |
1442 | | 1880.8614 | there's no st- there are no steps being taken to correct these things as they come up. | 1884.2093 |
1444 | | 1884.9880 | But the | 1886.3671 |
1446 | | 1887.2624 | Look Magazine | 1888.4934 |
1448 | | 1890.6232 | had this | 1891.1921 |
1450 | | 1893.0899 | uh, has an article in it and uh, | 1895.4167 |
1452 | | 1897.2492 | it's an interesting article | 1898.5070 |
1454 | | 1900.3675 | on s- | 1901.2301 |
1456 | | 1905.2251 | suburbia, | 1906.1763 |
1458 | | 1907.6172 | and uh, | 1908.3819 |
1460 | | 1910.7821 | and they have a seem- they seem to have a- they're trying to solve the- | 1913.8550 |
1462 | | 1914.6943 | Yes, it's the- the title of it is Scarsdale. Sc- sc- the scene is laid in Scarsdale, New York, | 1919.0716 |
1464 | | 1920.0695 | and uh, | 1920.6010 |
1466 | | 1921.7947 | and it's in title, uh, New Role for Suburban Schools. | 1924.9364 |
1468 | | 1926.5591 | And uh | 1927.3564 |
1470 | | 1929.0992 | they think that | 1929.8919 |
1472 | | 1931.1928 | if | 1931.4959 |
1474 | | 1932.1441 | they can get the | 1933.5569 |
1476 | | 1935.7240 | people to keep- to keep cool and remain where they are- stop- st- to stop keep running | 1940.1853 |
1478 | | 1940.5536 | because a Negro moves in- into the neighborhood. | 1942.5680 |
1480 | | 1943.8337 | Uh | 1944.2673 |
1482 | | 1945.0927 | they could [do] | 1945.7379 |
1483 | DCA_int_01 | 1945.4063 | [/unintelligible/] | 1946.5008 |
1484 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1946.2182 | [they-] do away with that, but see the thing of it is, uh, | 1949.0672 |
1485 | | 1950.0418 | but see- but see they are pressured also by their, not only by their own fears, | 1954.5920 |
1487 | | 1955.5477 | but also by- | 1956.3031 |
1489 | | 1956.5549 | by real estate lobby, | 1957.5808 |
1490 | DCA_int_01 | 1957.8419 | Mm-hm. | 1958.3968 |
1491 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1958.5646 | you see. | 1959.0962 |
1493 | | 1959.6884 | They're interested in making a lot of money and building up new towns, | 1962.6274 |
1495 | | 1963.4082 | and uh | 1964.0610 |
1497 | | 1964.5926 | if they could- if uh, they might- it might get to the point where they'll have to | 1968.2389 |
1499 | | 1968.7285 | adopt | 1969.3909 |
1501 | | 1970.0708 | laws | 1970.8401 |
1503 | | 1971.1665 | in certain states | 1972.2716 |
1505 | | 1972.9897 | to curb the real estate lobby | 1974.2895 |
1507 | | 1975.7490 | uh | 1976.3552 |
1509 | | 1976.6816 | from | 1977.0406 |
1511 | | 1978.2343 | pushing the white people | 1979.6414 |
1513 | | 1980.4760 | uh | 1981.0123 |
1515 | | 1982.2153 | out into the uh, | 1983.4137 |
1517 | | 1983.9452 | further into the suburbia, you see | 1985.9725 |
1519 | | 1986.4760 | because of fears of their property running down because a Negro m- moves next to him. | 1990.3696 |
1520 | DCA_int_01 | 1990.8102 | Mm-hm. | 1991.2004 |
1521 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 1992.0063 | And <laugh> it's one of those things of course, and- | 1994.9456 |
1523 | | 1995.3326 | and uh | 1996.0507 |
1525 | | 1997.4531 | I don't know how they gonna do it, | 1998.5163 |
1527 | | 1998.8613 | but uh | 1999.4209 |
1529 | | 2000.0270 | it should come to a stand still somewhere that is. It's not as bad as- I mean whenever | 2004.1992 |
1531 | | 2004.7168 | people uh | 2005.3509 |
1533 | | 2005.8778 | like that are into insecure of situations like that you know. | 2009.2631 |
1535 | | 2009.8168 | Uh | 2010.3157 |
1537 | | 2011.2996 | it's like a | 2012.1296 |
1539 | | 2015.8736 | sort of a chain reaction | 2017.2903 |
1541 | | 2017.5887 | like you know. | 2018.3628 |
1542 | DCA_int_01 | 2019.3047 | Right, I could tell you stories about that. | 2021.0160 |
1543 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2021.0160 | Yeah, <laugh> | 2022.2645 |
1544 | | 2023.2716 | because you- you can suppose- uh uh uh course you're a w- uh, | 2026.7269 |
1546 | | 2028.1432 | suppose um, | 2029.0199 |
1548 | | 2029.3442 | they don't look at it this way, suppose | 2031.1321 |
1550 | | 2032.0694 | there is a Negro in the neighborhood | 2033.7888 |
1552 | | 2034.2430 | he gonna move in, and it could be a- a well adjusted person for the neighborhood, | 2037.2207 |
1554 | | 2037.5751 | but they all white, | 2038.4424 |
1556 | | 2038.7723 | you see. | 2039.2433 |
1558 | | 2040.6328 | And uh | 2041.2483 |
1560 | | 2041.7239 | he wants to buy a house in that neighborhood. | 2043.7523 |
1562 | | 2045.5557 | He's got the papers for it, but | 2046.9499 |
1564 | | 2047.4209 | things become so unpleasant before he moves in, he decides to not move into the house. | 2050.8965 |
1566 | | 2052.2318 | The house is sold to a white person, | 2053.7110 |
1568 | | 2055.4912 | who- who does not adopt | 2057.2077 |
1570 | | 2057.4688 | a- adopt | 2058.2452 |
1572 | | 2059.7997 | adapt well to the neighborhood, | 2061.4597 |
1574 | | 2061.9656 | you see. | 2062.4132 |
1576 | | 2063.1919 | He could be more trouble- | 2064.2399 |
1578 | | 2064.3705 | trouble to the neigh- the- the- neighbors then that Nigger- Negro that they chased out of there, you see. | 2068.3106 |
1579 | DCA_int_01 | 2068.4254 | /inaudible/ | 2069.2374 |
1580 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2069.2339 | And uh, | 2069.6769 |
1581 | | 2069.9975 | course they'd rather take a chance on the white person than the Negro. <laugh> | 2073.4946 |
1582 | DCA_int_01 | 2073.6252 | /I see/. | 2074.1661 |
1583 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2074.1661 | But of course the thing of it is , | 2075.7468 |
1584 | | 2076.5617 | a Negro moving into a neighborhood, | 2078.1564 |
1586 | | 2078.7672 | he's got be on his P's and Q's you see. He's gonna be on his P's and Q's. He's not gonna | 2082.6893 |
1588 | | 2082.9318 | do anything that would ruin his reputation with h- his neighbors. | 2085.7890 |
1590 | | 2087.5003 | Not as soon as the- the white person's moving in. | 2089.9809 |
1592 | | 2091.0662 | But course people can't see that. I mean it's- it's the one of those things that- where prejudice has uh, | 2095.6732 |
1594 | | 2096.7596 | has | 2097.1675 |
1596 | | 2097.4607 | taken its toll. | 2098.4627 |
1598 | | 2099.4816 | It's- | 2099.8593 |
1600 | | 2100.6474 | it's | 2100.9598 |
1602 | | 2101.2162 | there, and it's hard to remove. | 2102.6431 |
1604 | | 2103.9755 | What you going to do about it? <laugh> | 2106.2370 |
1606 | | 2106.9695 | So it hasn't- what have to be done about it? /Nothing/. And the Look magazine has a ver- very good article in there I think on that. | 2112.3258 |
1607 | DCA_int_01 | 2113.8634 | I'll have to get that. | 2114.7960 |
1608 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2114.9592 | Mm-hm. | 2116.2135 |
1609 | DCA_int_01 | 2117.0249 | You know the- can you remember the best teacher you ever had or a real good teacher you had? | 2121.4405 |
1611 | | 2122.9268 | What she was like? | 2123.7382 |
1612 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2125.9157 | Now you talking as a- in grade s- grade school /you talking, or/? | 2128.8532 |
1613 | DCA_int_01 | 2128.8532 | In high [school or- or even] college. | 2131.3103 |
1614 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2129.2869 | [In] high school or college? | 2130.4899 |
1615 | | 2131.5390 | Well, I've had a lot of good teachers. | 2132.7980 |
1617 | | 2133.3331 | A lot of them. I've had more good teachers than I've had bad teachers. | 2135.7065 |
1618 | DCA_int_01 | 2136.0283 | Well that's good. | 2136.6602 |
1619 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2136.7510 | Oh yes, I mean <laugh> | 2137.7395 |
1621 | | 2138.0846 | /although/ I've- a- as a matter of fact, I don't | 2140.6993 |
1623 | | 2143.5624 | recall | 2144.3877 |
1625 | | 2144.9368 | having a- what I would call a bad teacher til I got high- to high school. | 2148.3500 |
1627 | | 2150.2187 | And that was in- that was only in English. | 2152.7180 |
1628 | DCA_int_01 | 2153.3661 | Hm. | 2153.5387 |
1629 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2156.2979 | Uh, | 2156.8435 |
1631 | | 2157.5709 | then I had | 2158.4662 |
1633 | | 2159.8930 | a teacher | 2160.6857 |
1635 | | 2161.7022 | when I was in college | 2162.7969 |
1637 | | 2165.3894 | that I didn't think much of him as a teacher, | 2166.9748 |
1639 | | 2167.4085 | but he could- | 2168.0333 |
1641 | | 2168.3597 | he could be good at times, but for the most part, | 2171.2962 |
1643 | | 2171.8790 | I didn't think much of him as a teacher. His- his uh | 2174.4588 |
1645 | | 2174.9671 | way he put his subject over to me was a dry | 2177.2056 |
1647 | | 2177.4501 | s- uh uh a dry method. | 2179.4831 |
1648 | DCA_int_01 | 2179.7924 | Mm-hm. | 2180.1978 |
1649 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2180.2198 | And sin- incidentally, it was in my field, too. | 2182.2703 |
1651 | | 2182.4882 | So uh | 2183.0354 |
1653 | | 2183.9024 | I didn't th- think much of him. | 2185.0354 |
1654 | DCA_int_01 | 2185.3199 | Hm. | 2185.5250 |
1655 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2186.4705 | He was a PhD from Yale. | 2188.2284 |
1657 | | 2189.1749 | But I didn't think much of him as teacher. | 2191.0401 |
1659 | | 2191.3939 | But I had others, | 2192.1032 |
1661 | | 2192.7036 | and of course that can show up, because uh | 2195.2729 |
1663 | | 2195.6832 | from some other teachers that you've had, and to you, | 2198.0147 |
1665 | | 2198.5591 | who were more effective | 2200.0092 |
1667 | | 2200.4942 | as teachers, you see. | 2201.5041 |
1668 | DCA_int_01 | 2206.9632 | Is there a group of people that you would associate with? | 2209.5884 |
1670 | | 2210.7308 | Either as a kid or when you were in college, high school? A particular group of | 2214.7752 |
1672 | | 2215.1692 | people? | 2215.6192 |
1673 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2215.9497 | That - | 2216.2294 |
1675 | | 2216.4906 | that I associated with? | 2217.6096 |
1676 | DCA_int_01 | 2217.6703 | Yeah that was sort of your group, | 2219.1327 |
1678 | | 2219.5678 | your | 2220.0606 |
1680 | | 2220.9056 | bunch or something like that. | 2222.2238 |
1681 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2223.4414 | Well | 2223.8978 |
1683 | | 2224.1333 | mainly my, ah, fraternity brothers. | 2226.3622 |
1684 | DCA_int_01 | 2227.0167 | Mm-hm. | 2227.3804 |
1685 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2228.3340 | Oh there is anoth- there was another group, too. | 2230.3734 |
1687 | | 2230.6485 | There was a group of uh uh- | 2232.0474 |
1689 | | 2232.9310 | there was a | 2233.3968 |
1691 | | 2234.1871 | a girls club | 2235.2596 |
1693 | | 2235.5877 | in the school. We used to go around with them. | 2237.4226 |
1695 | | 2238.0917 | I mean ah, | 2238.7282 |
1697 | | 2240.0682 | it wasn't a sister club to the fra- fraternity at all, | 2242.3867 |
1699 | | 2242.8507 | but it was uh, | 2244.3731 |
1701 | | 2244.6383 | a group that uh, you know how you have parties together, you know, like that you know. There was more in there. | 2249.1014 |
1702 | DCA_int_01 | 2250.5545 | When you were a little kid was there a group, or-? | 2252.5438 |
1703 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2253.2783 | Not particularly, no. | 2254.5885 |
1705 | | 2254.8776 | Only neighborhood kids, that's all. | 2256.7236 |
1706 | DCA_int_01 | 2259.1285 | In- in uh | 2259.9538 |
1708 | | 2260.3956 | this group when you were older, was there anybody who spoke a foreign language? | 2263.6690 |
1710 | | 2266.2464 | In the group? | 2266.7407 |
1711 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2267.4401 | Well, there were | 2268.0230 |
1713 | | 2268.4706 | uh, well there were several uh, couple of them there who's- who was- who- who were uh, who were studying French. | 2273.9903 |
1714 | DCA_int_01 | 2274.4613 | Mm-hm. | 2274.9276 |
1715 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2274.9369 | They sp- | 2275.4280 |
1717 | | 2276.1213 | spoke it pretty | 2276.9093 |
1719 | | 2277.1844 | pretty good. | 2277.8232 |
1720 | DCA_int_01 | 2278.2697 | [How] about as their native language? I mean their- | 2280.1302 |
1721 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2278.4049 | [P]- | 2278.5821 |
1722 | DCA_int_01 | 2281.3845 | their mother tongue was French? | 2283.2357 |
1724 | | 2283.5901 | Were any of 'em like that? | 2284.6800 |
1725 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2286.2748 | I don't recall any | 2287.7436 |
1727 | | 2288.5736 | who were | 2289.2497 |
1729 | | 2289.4455 | foreigners. | 2290.0237 |
1731 | | 2290.2138 | Foreigners. | 2290.6241 |
1733 | | 2295.1098 | Hm. | 2295.4782 |
1734 | DCA_int_01 | 2296.9505 | Were there any white people in the group? | 2298.3447 |
1735 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2299.7902 | No, at that time Howard didn't have too many white | 2301.9538 |
1737 | | 2302.2184 | at that time we had a- now and then, you see one, but | 2304.2497 |
1739 | | 2304.4403 | not too often. | 2305.1734 |
1741 | | 2305.5291 | The mainly uh the main | 2307.2497 |
1743 | | 2307.5155 | uh, you- you usually saw the white | 2309.2163 |
1745 | | 2309.4588 | uh | 2309.7012 |
1747 | | 2309.9903 | kids at Howard then at the Medical School, | 2312.3264 |
1749 | | 2313.1523 | at uh | 2313.7258 |
1751 | | 2313.9403 | but uh | 2314.4532 |
1753 | | 2315.5583 | I'd never- you don't come- didn't come across many of [them] | 2318.6871 |
1754 | DCA_int_01 | 2318.4074 | [Uh-hum.] | 2318.6871 |
1755 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2318.9331 | yeah, in the undergraduate's | 2320.2085 |
1757 | | 2320.3506 | work at that time. Now there are a lot of them up there, but uh | 2322.5888 |
1759 | | 2323.3535 | I went to /RD-SCHOOL-7/. | 2324.2488 |
1761 | | 2325.0369 | And uh | 2325.5906 |
1763 | | 2326.8869 | there weren't ma- there weren't many there at that time. | 2328.7893 |
1764 | DCA_int_01 | 2330.7384 | Do ever see any of those people anymore? | 2332.4439 |
1766 | | 2335.1437 | Or not? | 2335.6566 |
1767 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2336.1369 | Yes, I see them. One goes to my church was in sch- that was in school as we- also one of my frat brothers. | 2340.3930 |
1769 | | 2340.5702 | Goes to my church now and uh | 2341.7266 |
1771 | | 2342.4400 | as a matter of fact uh, I went back to my fraternity the other day here. Cause I s- I see some of the fellas, | 2347.1064 |
1773 | | 2347.8198 | uh | 2348.1136 |
1775 | | 2348.4074 | quite often. | 2348.8970 |
1777 | | 2349.6232 | Old frat, but a lot of them are dead. | 2351.0967 |
1778 | DCA_int_01 | 2355.4880 | Hm, sad /unintelligible/. | 2357.8801 |
1780 | | 2358.5842 | Let's see, in that group, uh, | 2360.2721 |
1782 | | 2360.9902 | is there any group today that you | 2363.1806 |
1784 | | 2363.5956 | call your special close friends | 2365.3908 |
1786 | | 2365.6898 | especially? | 2366.2168 |
1788 | | 2368.3506 | Or | 2368.7703 |
1790 | | 2369.1946 | not in particular? | 2370.2065 |
1791 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2372.5519 | I guess the uh | 2373.4274 |
1793 | | 2373.9356 | for a group, | 2374.9195 |
1795 | | 2378.8830 | the main ones that I would find who- that I'm closer to as- as a group now, | 2382.6728 |
1797 | | 2383.7546 | is the social club that I belong to. | 2385.4320 |
1798 | DCA_int_01 | 2385.8610 | Oh? | 2386.3320 |
1799 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2386.8029 | It's called the /RD-WORK-3/ | 2387.8474 |
1801 | | 2388.3137 | /RD-WORD-3/ | 2388.7893 |
1803 | | 2389.7592 | Club. | 2390.0250 |
1805 | | 2391.3901 | There are more in that group, and of course there's quite a few | 2393.8568 |
1807 | | 2394.1132 | who were in school with me at the time, too. And uh, and I've met | 2396.8597 |
1809 | | 2398.5185 | uh | 2398.8356 |
1811 | | 2399.2506 | got- become acquainted with subse- | 2400.4256 |
1813 | | 2400.6728 | subsequent who might join the club and also uh | 2403.1301 |
1815 | | 2406.9572 | people who uh, | 2407.8338 |
1817 | | 2408.3048 | just Washington citizens belong to the club, you see. | 2410.4999 |
1819 | | 2411.8614 | My social club is but the main one I /guess/- I think that, uh, | 2414.6778 |
1821 | | 2415.2315 | that I know most of fellas in there. | 2417.0128 |
1822 | DCA_int_01 | 2417.3298 | Is there one person | 2418.5096 |
1824 | | 2418.9945 | among them that everybody looks to as the leader? | 2421.4565 |
1826 | | 2422.3413 | Sort of? | 2422.5884 |
1828 | | 2424.0685 | [/inaudible/] | 2425.1377 |
1829 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2424.6308 | [Yes], uh, we had a secretary in there. | 2427.3866 |
1830 | | 2428.2714 | Uh, he was secretary for a long time. | 2430.6681 |
1832 | | 2431.5406 | And uh | 2432.2680 |
1834 | | 2433.4617 | he | 2434.0773 |
1836 | | 2434.8362 | was well acquainted with the- | 2435.9599 |
1838 | | 2436.2723 | way the club operated | 2437.3774 |
1840 | | 2437.8904 | with the constitution by- the constitution and bylaws. | 2440.5711 |
1842 | | 2441.7881 | And of course, uh | 2443.3175 |
1844 | | 2444.2210 | he was very effective in | 2445.7364 |
1846 | | 2446.3286 | keeping the club together, keeping you on the move. Gave it a sort of a | 2449.1496 |
1848 | | 2449.5075 | dynamic atmosphere, you see. He- he was good at that, and | 2452.5198 |
1850 | | 2452.7716 | he's still with us, | 2453.6600 |
1852 | | 2454.2264 | but he doesn't function at the- as the secretary because | 2457.0416 |
1854 | | 2458.1001 | uh, his work | 2459.4197 |
1856 | | 2460.2311 | with the post office | 2461.3356 |
1858 | | 2462.6126 | keeps him going from one city to the other. | 2464.4871 |
1859 | DCA_int_01 | 2464.6736 | Oh. | 2464.9301 |
1860 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2465.1912 | And that's why he can't function so very well as a secretary anymore. | 2468.2070 |
1862 | | 2468.7758 | But when they- and whenever anyone wants any special advice, | 2471.6529 |
1864 | | 2472.7626 | uh they don't hesitate to call him. | 2474.6406 |
1865 | DCA_int_01 | 2474.7867 | Mm-hm. | 2475.1870 |
1867 | | 2476.2586 | What would you say there is about him that makes people turn to him? | 2479.2382 |
1868 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2480.1341 | Well, some total of a lot of things | 2482.1496 |
1870 | | 2483.4494 | that go | 2484.3401 |
1872 | | 2485.1328 | with a person | 2486.0886 |
1874 | | 2487.0166 | who is a leader. | 2487.6694 |
1876 | | 2490.1209 | His appearance, his bearing, his talk, | 2492.1166 |
1878 | | 2492.9513 | knowledge of the club. | 2493.9538 |
1880 | | 2496.3494 | His working- his uh, long time working with the club, his intelligence. | 2500.0471 |
1882 | | 2502.7877 | Uh | 2503.2540 |
1884 | | 2507.0531 | he knows the club. He's- he- he knows the history of the club very well. | 2510.2192 |
1886 | | 2511.9165 | He knows uh how to operate a club. | 2513.9484 |
1888 | | 2514.6478 | I mean the things like that, you see. | 2516.2938 |
1890 | | 2517.9445 | And uh | 2518.6066 |
1892 | | 2519.4401 | we don't have anyone there that I can recall- | 2522.0653 |
1894 | | 2522.8300 | yes, I do too. We have | 2523.9290 |
1896 | | 2524.9459 | one member of the city council, belonged to the club. He- he /knew it/ very well, too. | 2528.2006 |
1898 | | 2529.0725 | But uh | 2529.7393 |
1900 | | 2530.1496 | this particular person | 2531.3422 |
1902 | | 2532.2794 | is uh | 2532.9556 |
1904 | | 2534.6575 | has a sum | 2535.3756 |
1906 | | 2535.9212 | total | 2536.4201 |
1908 | | 2536.8386 | of most everything | 2538.0463 |
1910 | | 2538.7317 | that a person needs | 2539.9068 |
1912 | | 2540.1866 | to run a club. | 2541.4997 |
1913 | DCA_int_01 | 2542.3910 | /He really has it/. | 2542.9832 |
1914 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2543.2583 | Yes, uh-huh. | 2544.0603 |
1915 | DCA_int_01 | 2544.8343 | How do new people get into the club? | 2546.7275 |
1916 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2548.3257 | Well, | 2548.7547 |
1917 | DCA_int_01 | 2549.1588 | There a- | 2549.5896 |
1918 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2549.7517 | they can apply themselves or else | 2552.0933 |
1920 | | 2552.5363 | the uh | 2553.2124 |
1922 | | 2554.3770 | the other members can | 2555.3357 |
1924 | | 2555.6045 | submit names of their friends to get into the club. | 2557.8175 |
1926 | | 2558.6622 | It has a limit | 2559.4082 |
1928 | | 2560.2418 | to the number that can get in. | 2561.1464 |
1930 | | 2561.6406 | There's a limit to the number each year. | 2563.0721 |
1932 | | 2564.0840 | So when one person drops out | 2566.4423 |
1934 | | 2567.6453 | for any reason | 2568.3960 |
1936 | | 2569.9021 | another- another- another one can take his place. | 2572.2149 |
1938 | | 2572.8479 | But it doesn't exceed a certain number | 2574.5639 |
1940 | | 2574.7457 | of persons, | 2575.4338 |
1942 | | 2576.1026 | of members. | 2576.7228 |
1943 | DCA_int_01 | 2576.9093 | Hm. | 2577.0997 |
1945 | | 2578.9971 | Are there any Caucasians in that club? | 2580.6602 |
1946 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2580.7411 | No, there are not. | 2581.4778 |
1948 | | 2582.1073 | No. | 2582.3684 |
1950 | | 2583.2637 | Not that they- they- they're not barred from it. | 2585.2862 |
1952 | | 2586.4660 | But it's just that- none- none of them ever joined the club. They're not barred from it though. | 2590.1776 |
1953 | DCA_int_01 | 2592.4333 | If you could do your life over again, would you do anything different? | 2595.2590 |
1954 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2595.5808 | Haha. | 2596.1310 |
1955 | DCA_int_01 | 2596.1578 | Now that you look back? | 2597.1603 |
1957 | | 2599.3426 | Or would you | 2599.9581 |
1959 | | 2600.4897 | pursue a different career or anything? | 2602.4481 |
1960 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2605.4405 | Well, | 2605.8742 |
1962 | | 2607.0772 | hard to say. | 2607.7953 |
1964 | | 2611.9954 | I set out | 2612.7415 |
1966 | | 2613.7346 | to be | 2614.4714 |
1968 | | 2615.3982 | a doctor of medicine. | 2616.4380 |
1970 | | 2617.9907 | That was my ambition. | 2618.9559 |
1972 | | 2621.0158 | But | 2621.2820 |
1974 | | 2622.3634 | the reason that I uh | 2623.6270 |
1976 | | 2624.3171 | went into the field of economics was that | 2626.1419 |
1978 | | 2628.6571 | there's a- well- there are a lot of question about | 2630.2145 |
1980 | | 2630.4477 | stopping | 2631.1285 |
1982 | | 2631.4595 | working and going to school. | 2632.5367 |
1983 | DCA_int_01 | 2633.1385 | Mm. | 2633.4279 |
1984 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2633.3935 | See when you go to medical school, you don't work. You just- just can't work. | 2636.4850 |
1985 | | 2636.7788 | However, some fellas have done it, | 2638.1496 |
1987 | | 2639.9344 | but uh | 2640.4660 |
1989 | | 2641.4615 | I don't know that I could have done it because | 2643.1052 |
1991 | | 2643.6554 | I was working four to twelve, you see, and I don't think | 2645.8691 |
1993 | | 2646.5033 | I could have | 2647.1141 |
1995 | | 2647.3535 | done that very well. | 2648.6016 |
1996 | DCA_int_01 | 2648.8483 | I tried. | 2649.6692 |
1997 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2649.5797 | /You know/ that's pretty rough. /You got to give it-/ you see there are only twenty four hours to a day. | 2652.6339 |
1998 | | 2653.5281 | You gotta give eight hours to your work, that's that right there. | 2655.7150 |
2000 | | 2655.9714 | And have so many hours of sleep in order to | 2657.4496 |
2002 | | 2657.8226 | study [effectively.] | 2658.7636 |
2003 | DCA_int_01 | 2658.7319 | [Mm-hm.] | 2659.0626 |
2004 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2660.3674 | And uh then you gotta attend school. Now when are you going to study? | 2662.9320 |
2005 | DCA_int_01 | 2663.1418 | Yeah. | 2663.4445 |
2006 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2663.8195 | You see, that's the question of what you gonna do, /when/ you- | 2666.0317 |
2008 | | 2666.3720 | and you'd | 2666.7870 |
2010 | | 2668.3818 | uh reduce a day | 2669.7340 |
2012 | | 2670.4847 | to its twenty four hours, | 2671.6353 |
2014 | | 2671.9431 | not more, you can't go twenty four and a half hours to a day. There's only twenty four hours to a day, | 2675.4496 |
2016 | | 2675.9718 | and only twenty four hours to a day, and you can't make it more than that. | 2678.3860 |
2018 | | 2678.9596 | And you gotta squeeze all that work in twenty four hours. Now w- how are you gonna do it? | 2682.3961 |
2020 | | 2683.1655 | But of course now, I was taking a course in economics, | 2685.9295 |
2022 | | 2686.1859 | and I had a professor | 2687.2397 |
2024 | | 2688.4707 | who impressed me very much, | 2690.6099 |
2026 | | 2692.2792 | and uh, | 2692.8993 |
2028 | | 2693.0812 | hanging between that | 2694.1350 |
2030 | | 2695.2203 | doubt as to how I would get to the medical school, he impressed me a whole lot. | 2698.2372 |
2032 | | 2699.3423 | That's how I went on into the field of economics, | 2701.1935 |
2033 | DCA_int_01 | 2701.5467 | Yeah. | 2702.1109 |
2034 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2702.5819 | and that's why I went. | 2703.4445 |
2035 | DCA_int_01 | 2707.1224 | Ah, what was it- | 2708.2461 |
2037 | | 2708.5446 | what was your job like when you were still working? Or what would you do in a day's work? | 2712.6479 |
2038 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2715.8222 | You mean in- in the- when I left the fire dep- my last days in the fire de- what you mean? What days you [mean?] | 2720.1032 |
2039 | DCA_int_01 | 2719.8748 | [When] you were- when you were working at the fire department. | 2722.1424 |
2040 | | 2722.4718 | /inaudible/ | 2723.0140 |
2041 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2723.5293 | Well, | 2723.9816 |
2043 | | 2724.3174 | uh | 2724.7277 |
2045 | | 2725.4738 | my last day's work of course, I- when I was /promoted/ to Battalion Chief, um | 2729.5490 |
2047 | | 2730.8517 | <ts> | 2730.9531 |
2049 | | 2731.3675 | the old | 2731.9457 |
2051 | | 2732.2756 | ugly race picture came up again in that [situation], you see. | 2735.1420 |
2052 | DCA_int_01 | 2734.2810 | [Mm.] | 2734.4533 |
2053 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2735.3797 | And of course, um, | 2736.4163 |
2055 | | 2737.1670 | because I got that promotion, it was- I had little trouble getting that promotion. As a matter of fact I had trouble getting | 2742.0386 |
2057 | | 2743.2043 | my promotion both to Captain and Battalion Chief. | 2745.8470 |
2058 | DCA_int_01 | 2746.1268 | Hm. | 2746.3133 |
2059 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2747.0734 | I had to uh | 2748.0619 |
2061 | | 2749.4853 | <ts> | 2749.5613 |
2063 | | 2751.1429 | file suit in the U.S. District Court | 2753.0687 |
2064 | DCA_int_01 | 2753.6469 | Oh boy. | 2754.1645 |
2065 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2755.0224 | against the | 2755.5205 |
2067 | | 2755.7210 | U.S.- DC fire department and the U- United States Civil Service Commission. | 2758.9430 |
2068 | DCA_int_01 | 2760.2761 | /inaudible/ really took them on /??/? | 2762.0901 |
2069 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2761.9261 | Yeah <laugh> to get pr- to- so I that could take | 2765.2181 |
2070 | | 2765.9176 | they | 2766.0377 |
2072 | | 2766.2941 | the uh | 2767.0588 |
2074 | | 2767.3106 | promotion | 2767.9681 |
2076 | | 2768.4717 | for Captain. | 2769.2457 |
2078 | | 2769.8924 | You see what they did, | 2771.0270 |
2080 | | 2771.4420 | the fire department | 2772.3186 |
2082 | | 2773.7023 | with its | 2774.4669 |
2084 | | 2775.0499 | uh | 2775.5302 |
2086 | | 2777.0036 | segregated policies, you see | 2778.4072 |
2088 | | 2779.7489 | adopted a | 2780.5148 |
2090 | | 2780.7235 | retroactive | 2781.6281 |
2092 | | 2781.8706 | ruling | 2782.3042 |
2094 | | 2782.9617 | into its | 2783.3813 |
2096 | | 2783.6833 | rules and regulations, | 2784.7464 |
2098 | | 2785.5018 | forbidding me | 2786.3691 |
2100 | | 2787.0499 | to take the /coalition/ examination for a Captain. | 2788.8171 |
2102 | | 2792.3240 | I say retr- retroactive because | 2794.7100 |
2104 | | 2795.6472 | I had to | 2796.6544 |
2106 | | 2798.0055 | complete a requirement | 2799.1479 |
2108 | | 2800.0105 | of five years | 2801.0503 |
2110 | | 2801.7824 | in the position as a Lieutenant, | 2802.9808 |
2112 | | 2803.7548 | which was three years more than the white | 2805.1619 |
2114 | | 2806.4628 | persons had to do, | 2807.2788 |
2115 | DCA_int_01 | 2807.6099 | Hm. | 2807.7544 |
2116 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2808.2953 | you see. | 2808.7803 |
2118 | | 2809.7863 | I had to completed- completed the five years, and then they put this retroactive ruling in there. | 2814.5238 |
2120 | | 2815.3585 | My five years were up on May the | 2817.3983 |
2122 | | 2820.0428 | fifth, nineteen forty-five, | 2821.7121 |
2124 | | 2823.2917 | and they adopted this ruling | 2824.5320 |
2126 | | 2824.7278 | on July the twelfth. | 2825.6651 |
2128 | | 2826.3645 | That's where they put- that's when they put their foot in their own mouth, you see because | 2829.4432 |
2130 | | 2829.8675 | I completed the five years, and then they p- adopt this ruling, you see | 2832.6062 |
2132 | | 2833.3523 | and so I went in to s- District Court and filled suit. C- it cost me a lot of money, | 2837.0035 |
2134 | | 2837.5677 | but as a matter of principle there, you [see], | 2839.0167 |
2135 | DCA_int_01 | 2838.8920 | [Mm.] | 2839.2697 |
2136 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 2839.3711 | and I beat 'em in court. And I took examination | 2841.4991 |
2138 | | 2842.7750 | uh | 2843.1434 |
2140 | | 2843.3346 | eventually. | 2843.9874 |
2142 | | 2844.5935 | /Pass it out/. | 2845.0412 |