Line | Speaker | St Time | Content | En Time |
1 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 0.4298 | Now she's | 1.0332 |
3 | | 1.4661 | one of the judges that- | 2.3607 |
5 | | 3.1976 | handed down one of the /cisions/- uh decisions in my favor when the- | 6.3721 |
7 | | 6.8627 | when the- when the fire department and the U.S. civil service lawyers where trying to help my case from out of court. | 11.7399 |
9 | | 12.8943 | Now, she was from Mississippi, | 14.3661 |
11 | | 16.1158 | and | 16.5487 |
13 | | 16.8950 | she had me kind of shaking in my boots for awhile, but she- and what- I guess a judge is a judge when it comes down to a just decision, really, | 22.3782 |
15 | | 22.7245 | you get what you're entitled to. | 23.7346 |
17 | | 24.5138 | And this, and uh, this funny thing, | 26.7648 |
19 | | 27.4862 | when the uh | 28.2366 |
21 | | 30.3433 | the corporation council for the district, was- in the court arguing his- trying to argue his point, | 34.2970 |
23 | | 35.6722 | and telling the judge what she couldn't do- | 37.7043 |
25 | | 38.2052 | in my case. | 39.1064 |
27 | | 40.3005 | And uh | 40.9235 |
29 | | 42.4262 | so she- told him that- | 43.6764 |
31 | | 44.0763 | your motion is denied. | 45.6574 |
33 | | 46.7540 | And when the s- U.S. civil service lawyer- | 49.0050 |
35 | | 49.3802 | asked the question- | 50.2171 |
37 | | 50.7943 | and- he-he- he said to, uh, she- he said to her- | 53.6513 |
39 | | 53.8822 | does that apply to U.S. civil service commission too? | 56.0755 |
41 | | 56.3064 | She said, yes. | 56.9990 |
43 | | 57.7710 | That was end of that. | 58.5862 |
45 | | 59.4701 | So then the- | 60.0762 |
47 | | 60.3359 | soon after that it went to trial, and I had judge- judge /RD-NAME-1/. | 63.7413 |
49 | | 65.1265 | Judge- | 65.5594 |
51 | | 68.6762 | believe the /?/, believe the /?/ his name was. | 70.9849 |
53 | | 71.2158 | Well, he's deceased now. | 72.3612 |
55 | | 72.8319 | and he- he- he uh, he heard the case as a trial, and he- /he hand down/ the decision in my favor. | 77.9399 |
57 | | 80.9413 | So uh, then when my name came up for Battalion Chief, | 83.9434 |
59 | | 84.7852 | then they s- | 85.1151 |
61 | | 85.2483 | s- | 85.4714 |
63 | | 85.6057 | start a few more tricks now. Oh, they did everything. I mean went to promotion board, and- | 89.6748 |
65 | | 89.9057 | lied one to- I don't s- this fire chief we have right now, | 92.9967 |
67 | | 93.3977 | um, he's | 93.9748 |
69 | | 94.1480 | uh | 94.6386 |
71 | | 94.8406 | he permitted one of the men to testify against me who was never my superior officer. | 98.7077 |
73 | | 99.0252 | that's one thing I got against him here, | 100.4393 |
75 | | 100.5547 | and another one- | 101.3050 |
77 | | 101.7091 | uh, they had- we got- I had a white fellow in my command. I was a captain of truck sixteen over here on Pennsylvania Avenue. | 106.7594 |
79 | | 107.2970 | I was Captain there- | 108.5091 |
81 | | 108.9008 | about uh- | 109.6634 |
83 | | 111.2218 | two-two- about three years before I was promoted to a Battalion Chief, | 114.2520 |
85 | | 115.0907 | and uh I had a white boy in my company, under my command, who wasn't studying his | 119.7930 |
87 | | 120.7742 | probation. He's supposed to study, you know. | 122.3903 |
89 | | 122.8223 | That's the course that a fireman studies when he first comes in, and he wasn't doing so well. | 127.2963 |
91 | | 127.9312 | So I went on vacation | 129.5394 |
93 | | 130.5862 | uh | 130.9874 |
95 | | 132.6929 | with my wife | 133.6453 |
97 | | 134.7917 | in Africa. She was teaching a summer in Africa. | 136.7396 |
98 | DCA_int_01 | 136.9248 | Oh. | 137.2910 |
99 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 137.7326 | And uh in nineteen sixty-three, | 139.9134 |
101 | | 140.9359 | and | 141.7440 |
103 | | 142.8406 | so when I came back- | 144.0238 |
105 | | 144.3124 | this chief over here, who was my chief too, | 146.7821 |
107 | | 148.0649 | uh | 148.4690 |
109 | | 148.6205 | sent a report, a favorable report on him | 150.7448 |
111 | | 151.0012 | for his three months. | 151.8778 |
113 | | 152.0504 | See the examine each fireman every three months you see, a new man. | 155.3051 |
115 | | 155.7299 | Well, I- when I was away, the three months came around, he examined himself, and he sent in a report on him that was favorable. | 161.6998 |
117 | | 162.3123 | So, when I came back from my | 163.4826 |
119 | | 163.7313 | uh, vacation | 164.7925 |
121 | | 165.4265 | in Africa, and in- in London | 167.2271 |
123 | | 167.8164 | uh- | 168.1994 |
125 | | 169.3513 | he told me that uh, he said, Captain, I've uh | 172.1507 |
127 | | 173.4205 | uh sent in uh | 174.5714 |
129 | | 175.6690 | a form on /RD-NAME-1/- a f- a- a form on /RD-NAME-1/. | 179.4715 |
131 | | 179.9044 | His name was /RD-NAME-1/, | 180.8279 |
133 | | 181.3843 | and uh, | 181.9141 |
135 | | 182.5883 | and I gave him good all the way through. | 184.6084 |
137 | | 185.4742 | said, you- d- you'd do the same thing. I said, sure. | 187.3423 |
139 | | 187.6637 | I figure he's a chief, he should- | 188.8280 |
141 | | 189.3413 | I wasn't there to- da- on his, uh, examination date, so he- | 192.3715 |
143 | | 193.0064 | couldn't wait for me, so he examined him, | 194.7379 |
145 | | 195.1131 | and he sent the report in. So, I just agreed with him, send the report in. | 198.4896 |
147 | | 199.2111 | Maybe I shoulda just chest- checked it myself, but I didn't do it. Now, the fourth month comes up- | 202.7607 |
149 | | 203.2118 | he didn't know anything hardly. | 204.4349 |
151 | | 204.9442 | So I sent a report on- on- I sent in a report uh | 209.0347 |
153 | | 209.8205 | running- er, grading him down you see. | 211.8550 |
154 | DCA_int_01 | 211.9476 | Uh-huh. | 212.3234 |
155 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 212.3889 | He knew it. | 212.8726 |
157 | | 214.0638 | Uh, and uh uh so, uh | 215.6129 |
159 | | 215.9386 | we tried to bring- bring him up, but I couldn't bring him up, you see. So the fifth month, he decided to res- to retire. | 220.9889 |
161 | | 221.9470 | Well this Captain- this Chief went to the promotion board, | 224.6378 |
163 | | 224.8380 | went up for Battalion Chief, and told | 226.5420 |
165 | | 226.7967 | that I'm the one who sent that- sent it- sent the good report in on-on a man when he was failing- was failing, | 231.0598 |
167 | | 232.0263 | you see. | 232.4431 |
169 | | 233.1869 | And so uh, | 233.9753 |
171 | | 234.5433 | I mean so- /yes he did that/. | 236.7397 |
173 | | 237.1520 | Try to get me to stop being a Battalion Chief. | 238.9895 |
175 | | 239.5359 | And so, but uh, I got the promo- finally got the promotion, but I had a lot of trouble getting it. | 243.4896 |
176 | DCA_int_01 | 243.6127 | Uh. | 243.9747 |
177 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 244.1440 | I had to go through the- uh I applied to the Human Relations Councils and every- and everything. Then the- then the | 248.8211 |
179 | | 249.2031 | Commissioner /RD-NAME-3/ had trouble then | 251.1243 |
181 | | 251.6762 | uh, | 252.1391 |
183 | | 252.4842 | even though the- | 253.1111 |
185 | | 253.6097 | the uh- | 254.4178 |
187 | | 254.9372 | examination | 255.9564 |
189 | | 256.1929 | of the case by the | 257.2395 |
191 | | 257.4373 | Council of Human Relations | 258.5215 |
193 | | 258.9198 | showed | 259.5836 |
195 | | 259.9587 | that there was | 260.7627 |
197 | | 261.6527 | some ulterior motives behind | 263.2688 |
199 | | 263.6440 | my- my getting the promotion, | 265.1735 |
201 | | 265.8373 | you see. Then the- | 267.5111 |
203 | | 268.0017 | uh, /RD-NAME-3/ had trouble then with | 269.6751 |
205 | | 270.1476 | Chief /RD-NAME-3/. | 270.9365 |
207 | | 272.1862 | changing his stand, but uh | 273.4849 |
209 | | 274.4372 | a case there, you know, where /RD-NAME-3/ told /RD-NAME-3/, well un-unless you make this /better/, there will be no more promotions. | 279.0836 |
211 | | 280.2876 | And so I was made the- but then they got at- but where they got at- um- | 284.7030 |
213 | | 285.3586 | back at me then was | 286.4381 |
215 | | 286.7232 | when I got promoted to a Battalion Chief, | 288.4271 |
217 | | 288.6818 | they removed me from the fire fighting division, | 290.5435 |
219 | | 291.2071 | and put me behind a desk, | 292.5815 |
220 | DCA_int_01 | 292.9278 | /Oh/. | 293.2164 |
221 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 293.1171 | see. | 293.4762 |
222 | | 294.9768 | So uh | 295.9292 |
224 | | 297.6801 | but I got the promotion. | 298.6563 |
226 | | 299.1259 | I'm not worried about it. I was- I was Acting Battalion Chief for- | 301.6910 |
228 | | 301.9397 | for two years before I was promoted to a Battalion Chief. I mean I had plenty of experience at it, so it was nothing- wasn't anything new to it- new to me in uh being promoted to a Battalion Chief. | 309.8633 |
230 | | 310.5822 | Cause I had the- | 311.1305 |
232 | | 312.0562 | I've had lot of experience out of it. | 313.6124 |
234 | | 314.5359 | And so, as a matter of fact I think I got more experience out of being an Acting Battalion Chief then I | 318.8724 |
236 | | 319.2059 | would have | 319.6952 |
238 | | 319.8930 | being a Battalion Chief, | 321.1446 |
240 | | 321.7507 | you see. | 322.5587 |
241 | DCA_int_01 | 323.4701 | Is it easier now for a- for a Negro to get your promotion because what- what you went through to get [that /inaudible/?] | 330.1048 |
242 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 329.4440 | [I think that] the- well once the ice is broken, it's usually easier afterwards, you see. | 332.8169 |
243 | | 333.5708 | And but of course, uh I wouldn't put it- I wouldn't, | 336.3527 |
245 | | 336.5380 | uh | 336.9168 |
247 | | 337.6399 | uh | 338.2880 |
249 | | 339.1695 | I don't think those colored man should be too naive about | 341.6730 |
251 | | 342.0551 | what's happening. They should keep them s- keep the | 343.7869 |
253 | | 344.4795 | uh | 345.2010 |
255 | | 346.5342 | their | 347.0315 |
257 | | 347.2741 | minds sharpened as far as the books are concerned, | 349.3278 |
258 | DCA_int_01 | 349.2883 | Mm-hm. | 349.6923 |
259 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 349.6634 | and uh | 350.2695 |
260 | | 350.7024 | don't | 351.1930 |
262 | | 351.7413 | h- let them get any charges against them, | 353.2755 |
264 | | 353.5361 | being late, or | 354.4821 |
266 | | 355.6275 | uh, or- | 356.7514 |
268 | | 358.0816 | not | 358.3341 |
270 | | 358.6162 | taking their positions at fires, and things like that, you see. | 360.9850 |
272 | | 362.1511 | Whites have been to fires, heck with white fireman- | 364.2967 |
274 | | 365.0453 | You know when you go to a fire | 366.4017 |
276 | | 366.9500 | their | 367.3252 |
278 | | 367.8728 | companies the first- | 368.9983 |
280 | | 369.6044 | the engine companies, first, second, and third, | 371.7042 |
282 | | 372.1151 | in that order, | 372.7439 |
284 | | 373.4343 | that they respond to a- | 374.4822 |
286 | | 375.8831 | a house that's burning. | 376.7612 |
288 | | 377.2090 | The first and third- | 378.3015 |
290 | | 378.7708 | are suppose to respond to the front of the building. | 380.7044 |
292 | | 381.2238 | The second, fourth, to the rear of a building, | 382.9842 |
293 | DCA_int_01 | 383.4252 | Mm. | 383.6988 |
294 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 384.6292 | and their first truck | 385.6846 |
296 | | 386.0088 | company, that's the long /arrow/ trucks, | 387.6359 |
298 | | 387.9209 | goes to the front, and the second one goes to the rear, | 390.2313 |
300 | | 390.6319 | to ladder the- | 391.3534 |
302 | | 391.9305 | the building and do rescue work. | 393.4583 |
304 | | 394.5485 | Well, | 394.8179 |
306 | | 395.0494 | heck I've seen plenty of white fellows go to a house | 397.5487 |
308 | | 397.9238 | that was burning, never gonna take their positions like they should do it. | 400.3623 |
310 | | 400.6110 | And /never said anything/- | 401.3932 |
312 | | 401.5509 | nothing said about it. | 402.3332 |
314 | | 402.9192 | And I've seen those colored fellas do something like that, and then they chew them out for it. | 406.0909 |
316 | | 407.3293 | Oh yes, I mean- | 408.1111 |
318 | | 408.5626 | prejudice is one of those things that- it-it's here to stay. And it's a lot of it in | 412.3090 |
320 | | 412.7896 | educational fields too | 414.1601 |
322 | | 414.6943 | that uh | 415.3292 |
324 | | 417.1493 | even s- a lot of /us/- being done | 419.2145 |
326 | | 419.4544 | for the good | 420.1363 |
328 | | 420.3847 | of the Negro, | 421.1875 |
330 | | 422.7459 | back in a white man's head who's doing this, | 424.8287 |
332 | | 425.7184 | there's something | 426.4976 |
334 | | 427.2191 | that he doesn't- is hidden to him even, | 429.1013 |
336 | | 429.6721 | that he doesn't even see. | 431.0926 |
338 | | 431.4080 | Here's something like this. | 432.6157 |
340 | | 434.0480 | You- | 434.3240 |
342 | | 434.5345 | you get- | 434.9412 |
344 | | 435.4566 | some of these kids used to white kids from colleges | 437.6882 |
346 | | 438.5871 | that are coming in to help | 440.0772 |
348 | | 441.7347 | underprivileged children, you see. | 443.0775 |
349 | DCA_int_01 | 443.1574 | Mm. | 443.3763 |
350 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 444.5255 | But | 444.7233 |
352 | | 445.6989 | as long as they are helping underprivileged children, | 448.0446 |
354 | | 449.8916 | the underprivileged child | 451.2479 |
356 | | 451.7385 | is being discriminated against. | 452.9218 |
358 | | 453.3258 | He needs something | 454.4186 |
360 | | 454.6794 | that the p- child who is not underprivileged doesn't need. | 457.0775 |
362 | | 457.8748 | You see what I mean? | 458.4722 |
363 | DCA_int_01 | 458.5386 | Uh-huh. | 459.0110 |
364 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 459.2889 | So it's all- it's- it's- it's- it's a thing that I'm trying to help you out, | 462.3768 |
366 | | 463.4157 | but I'm holding you down just so I can help you out. | 465.1500 |
368 | | 465.3804 | You see what I mean? | 466.0535 |
370 | | 466.3143 | I mean it's one of those fine things that- | 468.1456 |
372 | | 468.4169 | that uh, even though you're trying to do some good, | 470.6358 |
374 | | 471.0225 | you- you- it- it- it uh | 472.4821 |
376 | | 472.8238 | <laugh> | 473.6607 |
378 | | 473.9133 | it- | 474.0817 |
380 | | 474.2585 | it uh- | 474.9362 |
382 | | 476.4726 | uh- | 477.1251 |
384 | | 478.7110 | it- it holds you- | 480.0936 |
386 | | 480.6273 | now in my church, | 481.4156 |
388 | | 481.7067 | they have a- | 482.3313 |
390 | | 483.5775 | something's happening. What is /?? church/? | 485.3667 |
392 | | 486.9815 | I mean, you- you- you- you're doing a good job. You're c- conscience- conscience- conscientious about it, | 491.8587 |
394 | | 493.5325 | but as long as you are to help a person in that situation, | 496.2164 |
396 | | 497.3975 | there's- | 497.8241 |
398 | | 498.8714 | you're holding- <laugh> | 500.3346 |
399 | DCA_int_01 | 500.5414 | Yeah. | 500.8264 |
400 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 500.8144 | holding /them a [line/, you see. You see what I mean?] | 502.5425 |
401 | DCA_int_01 | 501.4146 | [/inaudible/] | 502.3364 |
402 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 502.8518 | I mean, | 503.1914 |
404 | | 503.4097 | uh- but uh- but it- you- your intentions are very good. | 506.1340 |
406 | | 506.8959 | Uh, but now uh- they use that in ex- they /are less-/ they apply to- they speak of- of the white liberals. | 513.6594 |
408 | | 514.7033 | Well heck if you didn't have white liberals, /where would the Negro begin/. | 516.6385 |
410 | | 517.5620 | You got to have it. | 518.2079 |
412 | | 518.6020 | You can't do without it. | 519.5056 |
414 | | 520.8520 | /A nickel can't do where/ white folks help. | 522.5546 |
416 | | 523.6798 | Let them try. | 524.2270 |
418 | | 524.6036 | You kn- is- up to Howard University the other day, and we were talking about /unintelligible/, | 527.7204 |
420 | | 528.3164 | about uh | 528.8647 |
422 | | 530.8600 | uh | 531.3062 |
424 | | 532.0392 | you- you just can't get there. You can't- you don't have the organization to get to places, you know. | 536.4835 |
426 | | 536.9164 | Maybe I'm saying too much for this thing here, I don't know uh- | 539.1963 |
428 | | 539.4366 | <laugh> | 539.9417 |
430 | | 540.1486 | but the thing of it [is- it- it-] | 542.0244 |
431 | DCA_int_01 | 540.9855 | [/inaudible/] | 541.9976 |
432 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 542.3400 | it uh- | 542.8956 |
434 | | 543.6744 | it- | 543.9143 |
436 | | 544.3332 | I don't know. You just can't- don't have a- | 546.4976 |
438 | | 548.6657 | we can try, | 549.5328 |
440 | | 550.5379 | but we got to have- | 551.6056 |
442 | | 552.7600 | you see, | 553.3044 |
444 | | 553.5401 | we don't control | 554.7345 |
446 | | 558.8629 | the econo- the uh | 560.0668 |
448 | | 561.2454 | e- economics | 562.2346 |
450 | | 562.4326 | of this country, | 563.1784 |
452 | | 563.7606 | you see. | 564.1851 |
454 | | 565.2348 | And we don't have a lot of c- we don't- how much- how much- | 567.7244 |
456 | | 569.6580 | share- how many shares of stock do you suppose I own in | 571.5084 |
458 | | 571.7206 | some of these corporations right now? Little or none, none. | 573.8249 |
460 | | 574.3909 | We own some, uh, my wife owns some in one of the corporations, but it- it's small. | 577.9117 |
462 | | 578.6332 | I mean, you got to get economic and political power, you got- that's what you need. | 582.3406 |
464 | | 582.6135 | Got to have it. | 583.0016 |
466 | | 584.8956 | And so uh, | 585.5504 |
468 | | 587.9996 | I don't know. | 588.5479 |
469 | DCA_int_01 | 591.0010 | What do you do on Christmas | 592.3624 |
471 | | 593.8602 | with your family? | 594.7815 |
472 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 595.2432 | Christmas? | 595.6761 |
473 | DCA_int_01 | 595.6761 | Yeah, how do you feel about celebrating Christmas? | 597.8983 |
474 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 597.8983 | Well the- | 598.4776 |
475 | | 599.0425 | our- our celebration of Christmas is quite conventional. | 601.6944 |
477 | | 603.0352 | Uh, we | 604.0043 |
479 | | 607.1908 | uh | 608.1144 |
481 | | 609.1533 | have a Christmas tree, and we- of course we | 611.3184 |
483 | | 611.6822 | look forward to having a turkey at Christmas time, exchanging gifts, | 614.7231 |
485 | | 615.9611 | the regular | 616.6341 |
487 | | 617.2365 | American way of ex- of uh | 618.7761 |
489 | | 619.4370 | celebrating Christmas. | 620.4146 |
491 | | 621.3381 | We attend church on Christmas day. | 623.1496 |
493 | | 624.0999 | We haven't been going to the Midnight Mass | 625.6237 |
495 | | 627.1099 | lately, | 627.6582 |
497 | | 629.3320 | but uh, | 630.0158 |
499 | | 630.3068 | that's about the size of it. | 631.3196 |
501 | | 631.6349 | Exchange gifts, | 632.4882 |
503 | | 633.0260 | tree. | 633.5195 |
504 | DCA_int_01 | 637.7488 | This might sound like a strange question, but | 639.7746 |
506 | | 640.1142 | maybe not to a former fireman. Was there- were you ever in a situation where you thought you might be killed, or might die? | 645.4600 |
508 | | 647.6009 | Or thought this was it? | 648.6490 |
509 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 652.0281 | No. | 652.6112 |
511 | | 653.9387 | I don't think so. I've had- I've been in a lot of dangerous situations. Not-not to die, | 658.0367 |
513 | | 658.4985 | but to get injured seriously, or to get trapped- I've been trapped in a building, | 662.1058 |
515 | | 663.3451 | uh, but it didn't last very long. | 665.0459 |
517 | | 666.1906 | Uh- | 666.5273 |
519 | | 666.9188 | I always took the precautions | 669.0646 |
521 | | 670.0874 | in uh, going to a fire. For instance like uh- | 672.8193 |
523 | | 673.7240 | <clears throat> | 674.1316 |
525 | | 677.6086 | when a man goes into a fire, he should not | 679.6322 |
527 | | 682.0642 | leave- | 682.6082 |
529 | | 682.9745 | uh, get away from his hose line, you see. I was always with the engine company for the most part, | 686.6528 |
531 | | 686.8260 | you see. | 687.2375 |
533 | | 687.9826 | And uh | 688.9086 |
535 | | 689.8758 | you- you don't get away from your hose line. | 692.1542 |
537 | | 692.7314 | You always- | 693.5106 |
539 | | 693.8778 | that- for that's your- your avenue of escape, you see. | 696.6181 |
541 | | 697.0602 | Well the way you came in, | 698.2893 |
543 | | 698.7148 | is where the- | 699.3090 |
545 | | 699.5031 | the hose line runs right along with you. | 701.2413 |
547 | | 701.4899 | You don't get up, and walk away another part of a building, leave it sitting on the floor. | 704.3533 |
549 | | 705.3428 | If you go somewhere else you carry the line with you, unless there's not a light in there. | 708.1132 |
551 | | 708.4784 | You go into a dark building at night, has a /lot of uh/ doors and closets and windows and whatnot- | 712.4442 |
553 | | 712.8263 | you- uh not windows, doors and closets | 714.8577 |
555 | | 715.7498 | and cubby holes, | 716.7306 |
557 | | 717.9153 | you get turned around in there, | 719.5431 |
559 | | 719.7493 | and forget where you came in. | 721.1016 |
561 | | 721.3381 | A dark building at nights, of course, | 722.8238 |
563 | | 723.1634 | you get lost in there, and you can get trapped. | 724.9280 |
564 | DCA_int_01 | 725.0683 | Mm. | 725.3251 |
565 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 725.4227 | I- /cause/ I was be c- uh be careful about that. I was always careful about that, you see. | 728.9724 |
567 | | 729.7607 | And uh, | 730.2701 |
569 | | 730.7120 | you always follow the hose line back to the exit. | 732.7818 |
571 | | 734.3401 | And- but usually when I went to a building at nights, | 737.7491 |
573 | | 737.9919 | or day either, when there's a lot of fire in there. I-I go in for fire- for the fire, | 741.7858 |
575 | | 742.2764 | and I put /unintelligible/ I put the fire out, | 744.4965 |
577 | | 744.7876 | you see. | 745.3932 |
579 | | 745.6817 | Now of course, the fires can go around behind you. That's the bad part about it. | 748.7119 |
581 | | 749.2502 | The fire goes behind you just turn your head around and /sweep- swipe the fire behind you/. /You ought to/ put it out. | 753.5309 |
583 | | 753.6922 | It definitely will put it out- put it out, you see. | 755.5574 |
585 | | 756.1820 | Now if you swish it | 756.9161 |
587 | | 757.4391 | like that, you see. Don't | 758.5290 |
589 | | 759.1482 | /direct/ a stream right on the water- on the fire, you | 761.4939 |
591 | | 761.8605 | sweep it, you see. | 762.8477 |
592 | DCA_int_01 | 762.8422 | Oh. | 763.1307 |
593 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 763.9388 | Smother it like. | 764.8911 |
595 | | 765.6992 | And so I never had trouble- | 767.4255 |
597 | | 767.6356 | uh- uh, a situation where | 769.7128 |
599 | | 770.8738 | uh, | 771.4084 |
601 | | 773.9382 | I was trapped and couldn't get out. | 775.3902 |
603 | | 775.7372 | I was chased out of a room, out of a window one time at a fire. | 778.9171 |
604 | DCA_int_01 | 779.1021 | Mm. | 779.2915 |
605 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 780.3973 | Well this time I had left the hose, but it was in the daytime, I could see what I was doing. It was one morning, about five thirty in the morning, | 786.1854 |
607 | | 786.7077 | this house caught on fire and the- | 788.1879 |
609 | | 788.5774 | I put the line down to p- throw the mattress out of the window. | 791.1223 |
611 | | 791.9793 | The whole room was burning, you see, but I w- but I wanted to throw the mattress out of the window. So, | 796.3454 |
613 | | 796.6875 | in doing so, uh, | 798.2857 |
615 | | 800.4760 | the whole room fill up- flared up behind me. | 802.5231 |
617 | | 803.2806 | So, <laugh> | 804.3194 |
619 | | 804.5552 | but the- so happened that the, uh, the sergeant was right behind me. | 808.1627 |
621 | | 809.4352 | And then I headed for the window- | 811.0829 |
623 | | 811.6685 | See I picked the mattress up, and there was- | 813.4896 |
625 | | 813.7127 | and it just went up in a- | 814.6809 |
627 | | 815.6995 | big flame | 816.3150 |
628 | DCA_int_01 | 816.3948 | Mm. | 816.6545 |
629 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 816.6473 | and it cut me off | 817.5173 |
630 | | 818.6021 | from my hose line, you see. Because the window was next to me, so I headed for the window. | 821.6924 |
632 | | 822.5008 | I couldn't get to the- | 823.3334 |
634 | | 823.8983 | to the uh- | 824.5280 |
636 | | 825.2948 | It-it got pretty hot in there that particular morning. It was a small room, but I couldn't- it was <laugh>- it was a- | 829.8203 |
638 | | 830.0989 | The fire was pretty near the hose line, I couldn't get to it, so I went to the window. But the sergeant pick up the hose and put the fire, | 834.7598 |
640 | | 835.1605 | and I got the mattress. He and I threw it out the window. | 837.0705 |
641 | DCA_int_01 | 837.4620 | Oh. | 837.7552 |
642 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 838.5480 | And then he put the fire- uh- that's rest of the room- rest of the room out too. | 841.3037 |
644 | | 842.2344 | But I don't have many ca- case like that. | 844.3812 |
645 | DCA_int_01 | 846.6063 | Sometimes when you think about that, people say, oh, whatever's gonna happen, is gonna happen anyway. | 851.3326 |
646 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 851.6182 | Oh that's true too, but uh, you can be- | 853.5369 |
648 | | 853.9083 | be | 854.1527 |
650 | | 854.3677 | careful about some s- some known things. Now | 856.8585 |
652 | | 857.1420 | there's a case of a building- | 858.2124 |
654 | | 858.4518 | Uh we've had uh, | 859.2241 |
656 | | 860.0717 | a ceiling falling on- on us, and hit us on the head, and knock the heck out of you. | 863.0061 |
658 | | 863.4216 | That's happen- that happens anytime. | 864.7460 |
660 | | 865.0057 | Ceiling fall on you, especially the old houses. | 866.6937 |
662 | | 867.6026 | /unintelligible/ give you trouble too | 869.5762 |
664 | | 870.2131 | and things like that, but- | 871.5475 |
666 | | 872.7377 | /Useless, please/ use your head, and don't be too much of a hero. | 875.8821 |
668 | | 876.2988 | I've had men do- uh, go into a building, and uh- | 879.1560 |
670 | | 879.9052 | uh, | 880.3304 |
672 | | 880.5787 | you know, | 880.9913 |
674 | | 881.5595 | try to find his company- | 882.5915 |
676 | | 883.4225 | trying to get with his company. | 884.2749 |
678 | | 884.5925 | That's a foolish thing to do. | 885.6433 |
680 | | 886.3569 | You don't know where- you don't where the company is in a building that's burning. You can't see your way in there, | 890.1918 |
682 | | 890.6903 | why go in? | 891.2230 |
684 | | 892.6203 | /You'll be/ minus a man. They got to stop fighting the fire to find you, | 895.1165 |
685 | DCA_int_01 | 895.1653 | Yeah. | 895.5548 |
686 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 895.6297 | you see. | 896.0696 |
688 | | 896.3524 | Doesn't make any sense. We had one up- We had down on uh- | 898.9307 |
690 | | 899.4501 | on uh- G street one- one day, | 901.7613 |
692 | | 902.1768 | and he's /unintelligible/. | 903.3194 |
694 | | 904.3575 | /unintelligible/ | 905.7383 |
696 | | 906.9284 | but he's a- he's a dead man. | 908.6170 |
698 | | 910.9282 | You don't do things like that, you see. | 912.5383 |
699 | DCA_int_01 | 914.4600 | Wow, you're a real interesting conversationalist. | 916.9661 |
700 | DCA_se3_ag4_m_01 | 917.1567 | <laugh> | 918.7967 |