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1DCB_int_010.5924And /RD-NAME-2/ how long have you been,3.4952
3 3.7554um, living in DC?4.9800 
4DCB_se1_ag2_f_036.3179Since I was born,7.7835
6 7.8803which is about8.5376 
8 8.8712twenty-five, going on twenty-six years.11.1068 
9DCB_int_0111.3737And so12.7559
11 12.8793when's your birthday actually?13.9166 
12DCB_se1_ag2_f_0314.1839May fifteenth,15.1315
14 15.4018nineteen ninety.16.1111 
15DCB_int_0116.7397Um, and what about your parents, did they grow up in DC?19.1329
16DCB_se1_ag2_f_0319.5099Yes.20.0819
17DCB_int_0120.8045Where?21.0472
18DCB_se1_ag2_f_0322.2359In- my mother grew up in Northeast and my father grew up in Northwest.26.2313
19DCB_int_0126.6711And what do your parents do?28.2559
20DCB_se1_ag2_f_0329.2002My mother is currently a barber, my father works for32.7712
22 32.8712DC government.33.6220 
23DCB_int_0134.3193Kay.34.4461
25 35.3837Um, and what do you do?36.8526 
26DCB_se1_ag2_f_0337.5333I work at /RD-WORK-5/39.3027
28 39.4460/RD-WORK-6/.40.5229 
29DCB_int_0141.4638Mkay.41.8718
31 42.6958Um,43.4699 
33 43.6134and44.5776 
35 45.5419have you lived any other place outside of DC?47.5639 
36DCB_se1_ag2_f_0348.2178No.48.5498
37DCB_int_0149.0628No? You've always lived here?50.1272
38DCB_se1_ag2_f_0350.2773Yes.50.7845
39DCB_int_0151.2316What schools did you go to?52.1889
40DCB_se1_ag2_f_0353.1001Elementary I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ in Southeast,56.4208
42 56.5977for middle school I went to /RD-SCHOOL-5/ in Northeast,60.0777 
44 60.4956and for high school I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/63.0047 
46 63.1515in Northwest.63.9390 
47DCB_int_0164.3727Hm.64.6863
49 65.3303Um,65.9442 
51 66.5623and so how did you end up back here? Like how did you end up back at the /RD-WORK-4/?69.5877 
52DCB_se1_ag2_f_0370.7197I was a club kid when I was a teen and then I decided that I wanted to continue to work with youth after I graduated, so77.3703
54 77.9484I applied and got the job.79.6734 
55DCB_int_0180.0071And how long have you been here?80.9146
56DCB_se1_ag2_f_0381.3551Two years.82.2025
57DCB_int_0182.2092Two years.82.8231
59 83.2869Um,83.8429 
61 84.0610so,84.5717 
63 84.9561let's kind of go back to the beginning.86.2139 
65 86.8145Um, currently where do you live?88.6230 
66DCB_se1_ag2_f_0389.4838In Southeast, [Washington], DC.91.9710
67DCB_int_0191.0194[You live in-]91.3631
68 92.0738Okay but that's not your childhood neighborhood.94.2205
69DCB_se1_ag2_f_0394.2493No.94.6863
70DCB_int_0194.7764Okay, what was your childhood neighborhood?96.3231
71DCB_se1_ag2_f_0396.4222Northeast,97.3665
72DCB_int_0197.3965North-97.6734
73DCB_se1_ag2_f_0397.6300which is technically like, five minutes from where I currently live.100.5863
74DCB_int_01100.8832Oh okay, so what-101.8308
76 102.2245Like was it a specific name of the neighborhood?104.2156 
77DCB_se1_ag2_f_03104.9613[No.]105.3847
78DCB_int_01104.9613[Or-]105.2947
79 105.5286No, it was just the Northeast area.107.1859
80DCB_se1_ag2_f_03107.5005[Yes.]108.2421
81DCB_int_01108.0243[Okay.]108.3016
82 108.6458Can you- do you remember your house as a-110.4508
84 110.6344as a young child?111.5586 
85DCB_se1_ag2_f_03112.0858Yes.112.7298
86DCB_int_01112.7631Tell me a little bit about it.113.6377
87DCB_se1_ag2_f_03114.3088Uh, it was on /RD-ADDRESS-2/, kind of116.6677
89 117.2283connected to another house.118.5295 
91 118.6196Very old.119.6796 
93 120.5890It did not have a shower.121.8569 
95 122.2406Only a tub.123.1140 
97 124.5262And125.3203 
99 126.1278it had a basement,127.0828 
101 127.3698and one floor.128.4475 
103 128.7244That was it, no upstairs. Just one floor and a basement.131.3270 
104DCB_int_01132.0644How many rooms, bedrooms?133.3698
105DCB_se1_ag2_f_03134.1739Two and a half, so135.4151
107 135.6120two rooms and a den.136.4800 
108DCB_int_01137.2836And who- okay, so it was-138.9885
110 139.3097who- who lived in the house with you?140.6277 
111DCB_se1_ag2_f_03141.2616My grandmother,142.7576
113 143.0300my mother,144.0043 
115 144.5957me, and my foster brother.146.1939 
116DCB_int_01146.6644Okay.146.9380
118 147.1448So how many siblings do you have?148.4950 
119DCB_se1_ag2_f_03149.1501I have149.8675
121 150.1219two151.0695 
123 151.2463biological siblings on my mother's side, and I have154.1291 
125 154.9199three biological siblings on my father's side.157.0662 
126DCB_int_01157.5266And are you closer to either set or159.8589
128 160.1892both sets you're similarly close?161.8461 
129DCB_se1_ag2_f_03162.2020Closer to my mother's side.163.4132
130DCB_int_01163.7702Did they-164.1115
132 164.2707cause you grew up in the house with them?165.4800 
133DCB_se1_ag2_f_03165.5319Yes.166.0691
134DCB_int_01166.1058Okay.166.4027
136 166.6597And now they167.3770 
138 167.6773are club kids?168.7016 
139DCB_se1_ag2_f_03168.9594Yes.169.5734
140DCB_int_01169.6534Mm-hm.170.1105
142 170.8512So,171.5072 
144 172.2092did you play a lot-173.3437 
146 173.5138okay but how- how big is the age174.9727 
148 175.1829gap between like, you and176.9880 
150 177.5419the next child that lived in the house with you?179.7407 
151DCB_se1_ag2_f_03180.1378<ts>180.1811
153 180.6916My brother and I are183.1782 
155 183.2783twelve years apart.184.3796 
156DCB_int_01184.4728Okay, so obviously185.5105
158 185.6506there was some time in between.187.3573 
160 187.6067[So did you play] with other kids in the neighborhood?189.4418 
161DCB_se1_ag2_f_03187.6467[Yes.]188.2340
162 189.7855Yes.190.3961
163DCB_int_01190.6296Who was your best friend?191.4171
164DCB_se1_ag2_f_03192.4055As a kid, /RD-NAME-3/,194.3241
166 195.2016and then /RD-NAME-2/, and then197.1601 
168 197.8542/RD-NAME-3/ and then (laughing)199.6567 
170 200.0671just kind of changed like every few years you get a new best friend.203.2469 
171DCB_int_01203.7240Or [every] day. Some little kids, oh that's my best friend today.206.6079
172DCB_se1_ag2_f_03203.9150[Yeah.]204.1820
174 206.5910Yeah, basically.207.8233 
175DCB_int_01207.8022So tell me what you did around the neighborhood.209.4168
176DCB_se1_ag2_f_03210.9327Jump rope, kickball,212.8379
178 213.5920skating,214.6597 
180 215.4571<ts>215.5005 
182 215.6139I don't ride bikes, so.217.6501 
184 218.2506Skate, jump ball- kick- jump rope, kickball221.0026 
186 221.2402is pretty much it.222.3346 
187DCB_int_01223.1229Was your neighborhood safe when you were a little kid?224.8412
188DCB_se1_ag2_f_03225.3217<ts>225.4018
190 225.8622No.226.8432 
192 228.0443So I hung out mostly where I went to elementary school, which is in Southeast which they considered Capers back then.234.6783 
194 235.4999And it was not safe.236.4408 
196 236.6310It was shootings all the time.238.4261 
198 239.3303A lot going on. But where I lived,241.4532 
200 242.4442wasn't where I went to elementary school. But it still wasn't safe.245.3737 
202 245.5872Was just like,246.4147 
204 246.9527more older people lived there so it was a little more safe, but250.6930 
206 251.0901like a block away was like,252.5815 
208 253.4766where drug dealers hung out at.254.9339 
210 255.4818So, yeah.256.1525 
211DCB_int_01256.4161Did you ever feel threatened or were you always just like,258.8137
213 259.0161this is my neighborhood they not gonna bother me?260.6711 
214DCB_se1_ag2_f_03261.2516Never felt threatened.262.3093
216 263.1501Always just-264.0377 
218 265.0628If you grow up in the neighborhood you kind of just267.4518 
220 267.5953used to it, and everybody knows you, so.270.3346 
222 271.0295It's just like, everyday life.272.4406 
223DCB_int_01273.2283Hm.273.4985
225 274.3494Um, so what happened when like, people who weren't necessarily like- Let's say your friends wanted to come over or like, family member that didn't live in that neighborhood, or if they did- you know, they were new,282.4080 
227 282.9294or friends or whatever, how would-284.0638 
229 284.6610you know,284.8930 
231 285.1081would they feel safe coming over would-286.6830 
233 286.8165would you have to like be like, nah he cool, she cool?289.2797 
234DCB_se1_ag2_f_03290.6177Well,291.3083
236 291.5853if you're-292.0157 
238 292.1992when I was at elementary school, you didn't really have to say cause obviously you're a younger kid.296.0872 
240 296.2707But in high school of course you would have to say,299.1568 
242 299.5305oh this is my friend so and so, and they're like, oh okay, they with you?302.3007 
244 302.8345Then you just keep it moving.304.2493 
246 305.8909That's it.306.2335 
247DCB_int_01306.4556So if they were a high- like, [outsiders] like it was just like, oh nah you can't come in? Like, what [happened-]311.2369
248DCB_se1_ag2_f_03307.6934[<laugh>]308.0801
250 310.8231[Not you] can't come in, but like, they would just look at you funny like where are you from or why are you in this neighborhood or316.7030 
251 317.5739just make you feel uncomfortable by the way that they look at you.320.8112
252DCB_int_01320.9947Mm-hm.321.2347
253DCB_se1_ag2_f_03321.2149Which is the same if I was to go to somebody else's neighborhood and324.7617
254 324.9527you would get looks like,325.9971
256 326.3874you don't belong here.327.3981 
257DCB_int_01328.0524[Mm.]328.2693
258DCB_se1_ag2_f_03328.1558[So.]328.4785
259DCB_int_01329.3236So let's talk about your family cause it was three generations of you, it was you, your mom,333.3350
261 333.5152your333.6487 
263 333.9323grandma, right?334.6263 
264DCB_se1_ag2_f_03334.7030Yup.334.8799
265DCB_int_01335.1968So,335.4049
267 335.5839tell me about like, living337.2830 
269 337.5967with your mom and your grandma, but also like family traditions that you guys may have had.341.3937 
270DCB_se1_ag2_f_03342.7125Mm,343.3898
272 343.6501I guess344.4145 
274 345.6553my grandmother kind of took /over/ traditions from her mother,349.5733 
276 349.7435cause my great grandmother was still living.351.4285 
278 351.7054And352.3627 
280 353.0200so,353.5572 
282 353.7340every Thanksgiving we would have to do the same thing. We cook at home, then we go to a family member's house and eat there, but still have food at home.361.7869 
284 362.8579Then every Easter,364.7064 
286 365.0267we d-365.3837 
288 365.6072didn't really go to church,367.1763 
290 367.8236but since my great grandmother369.6920 
292 370.0190helped found the Salvation Army church in this area,372.6758 
294 372.8126every Easter we had to go to church. It never failed, you had to go to church.377.0767 
296 378.2220And then on Christmas,379.6033 
298 380.2740which is the only holiday I liked as a kid, I had the same tradition.384.0110 
300 384.5290I would get up,385.0995 
302 385.8436peek, watch my mom put the c-387.1949 
304 387.5352cs- s- stuff under the tree,388.8532 
306 389.2235and then I'd wait for her to go to bed then I would get up and go391.8527 
308 392.0905and get the stuff from under the tree.393.4885 
310 394.0257And she would pretend395.0934 
312 395.3003that Santa Claus put it there.396.6883 
314 397.2563Although I knew she put it there.398.8844 
316 400.0224It was the same400.7998 
318 400.9633every year401.6313 
320 401.8208until they realized that I was too old.404.0605 
321DCB_int_01405.3918And so,406.0691
323 406.5028<ts>406.5863 
325 406.7531um,407.2269 
327 408.2579when-408.5325 
329 408.7892how long did this take?409.8035 
330misc412.1325I got the goods.413.3358
331DCB_int_01413.6373<laugh>414.1493
333 414.2979Okay.414.8117 
334misc415.5633Got the goods.416.7978
335DCB_se1_ag2_f_03416.8779Something's wrong with you. We are recording.418.7219
336misc418.9633Oh.419.2002
337DCB_se1_ag2_f_03420.6157[<laugh>]422.1939
338DCB_int_01421.5299[<laugh>]422.6177
339 423.9223It's okay.424.4294
341 424.6530It's alright. So what about the rest of- <laugh>427.2730 
343 427.6868what about the rest of your family? Like,429.4885 
345 429.7221you talked about430.3621 
347 431.2536you would always go to other family member's house. Who else lived in the area?433.9971 
348DCB_se1_ag2_f_03435.9790Well, my grandmother's side of the family, my grandmother's sister has seven children,441.7388
350 442.8365and443.4471 
352 443.6873all of them live in the DC and Maryland area. So every year we would have dinner at a different family member's house450.3455 
354 450.7625for Thanksgiving.451.6167 
355DCB_int_01452.6043Did you ever [host it at] your house?453.8489
356DCB_se1_ag2_f_03453.0948[So.]453.3117
357 454.4194Yes but I didn't like it.455.7753
359 456.4289Too many people,457.5266 
361 458.1939they don't know when to go home, you kind of just have to p- stay up really late, wait for the last person to go home,463.1396 
363 463.6768you have to clean up all the mess. It's just too much.466.1225 
364DCB_int_01466.6730So what happened when you became the older s- Cause you were a only child for a long time.470.4475
365DCB_se1_ag2_f_03470.4542Yes471.3350
367 471.4618[I miss] that, those were the good [times.]473.7418 
368DCB_int_01471.5219[Mm.]471.9056
370 473.2736[So what happened?]473.9209 
371 474.2220What happened when another little476.2206
373 476.7244baby came on the scene?478.0090 
375 478.1592So you were twelve?479.0233 
376DCB_se1_ag2_f_03479.9776I was twelve, and then one day my mother was like,482.1973
378 482.4075oh,483.1081 
380 483.3083I'm pregnant,484.2459 
382 485.2135and I'm like six months.486.9897 
384 488.6610[So,]489.7688 
385DCB_int_01489.2550[<laugh>]490.2392
386DCB_se1_ag2_f_03490.4928she didn't know she was pregnant for a long time.492.9327
388 493.5267<ts>493.6001 
390 493.6736And then494.4742 
392 495.1918<ts> I wanted a sister and it was a boy.497.3870 
394 498.7859And then I didn't wanna be a big sister anymore because501.6204 
396 501.9632it's too much responsibility, you have to learn how to change diapers, you have to learn how to feed the baby,506.7778 
398 507.5986watch the baby.508.8699 
400 510.0218He used to roll hisself down the steps all the time.513.0448 
402 513.9990It was just too much.515.1950 
404 515.9943But then after a while I kind of got used to it, like okay I have a little brother.519.4385 
406 519.8789And then520.6096 
408 521.7607when he was younger, it was good, it was like, okay, aw he's so cute.525.6053 
410 525.9523Now he's a teenager and I don't like it.528.4498 
412 529.2630<ts> It's too much responsibility.530.7724 
414 530.9713It's like being a parent532.4127 
416 532.6029but you're not a parent.533.7582 
418 535.3231So,535.6601 
420 535.8669I didn't like it.536.6109 
422 537.0481at all.537.5519 
423DCB_int_01537.8722So he's a young teen.538.8829
424DCB_se1_ag2_f_03539.5839He's thirteen.540.5957
425DCB_int_01541.0028Okay.541.6167
427 542.6477Oh, so he just became a teenager.544.4628 
429 545.0400So he's [smelling himself.]546.0577 
430DCB_se1_ag2_f_03545.5272[<sigh>] exactly.547.4732
431DCB_int_01548.2974What kind of things does he do to get on your nerves?550.1125
432DCB_se1_ag2_f_03551.0734He will text me552.2078
434 552.5156like this weekend,553.4832 
436 553.8903at twelve AM555.6660 
438 556.8899aksing for something that I obviously cannot give him at twelve AM.560.6010 
440 562.0991Or562.5829 
442 562.7798he will aks for new things when he does not deserve new things. Like, can I get those new shoes?566.7912 
444 566.9413Oh but you had three F's on your report card, I'm sorry you cannot.569.8675 
446 570.9460But he knows not to aks my mother because she's gonna say no.574.0190 
448 574.9933So he thinks that I'm the best option.576.9853 
450 577.8836No.578.2840 
452 579.1515It's irritating.579.9957 
454 580.2459He will call, he texts,581.7073 
456 582.0018he wants to be up under me, I'm too old for this. I don't have time.584.8946 
458 586.2203Then he wants to argue with me like he's my father.588.9252 
460 590.2873Why?590.6340 
462 591.2783Why?591.6587 
464 592.4530<ts>592.5203 
466 592.8332So, yeah that's irritating. And then he bothers my little sister a lot,596.2106 
468 596.4141which makes her irritated, which makes me irritated,598.9299 
470 600.2112which makes my mother irritated.601.6534 
472 602.1439Now everybody's just irritated.603.3959 
473DCB_int_01604.1592So tell me about your little sister.605.5639
474DCB_se1_ag2_f_03606.7025She's ten.607.5291
476 608.4408And she thinks she's twenty-five, like me.610.3961 
478 611.3603<ts>611.4237 
480 611.6581She's very612.4114 
482 612.7225interesting.613.4399 
484 613.7635She acts like me a little bit when I was a kid, which is kind of annoying cause you look back,618.5790 
486 618.8760you're like, oh,619.8202 
488 620.7178was I that annoying as a kid?622.4387 
490 624.3546That's kind of sad.625.6234 
492 626.3307But626.6043 
494 627.4151she was a tomboy for like, majority of her little youth and now she's getting kind of girly.633.1115 
496 633.4652And it's scary cause she wants to wear like, skirts and leggings and636.8785 
498 637.5166I don't like it.638.3140 
500 639.4852Cause she's kind of640.4094 
502 641.3737growing up641.9342 
504 642.1519into a little lady.642.9827 
506 643.1596I don't like it.643.7802 
508 645.1749Nope.645.6186 
510 645.7421But she's always under me.647.3861 
512 647.6006She wants to live with me which is the biggest issue. She told my mother651.5786 
514 652.0591that when she turns sixteen, she's coming to live with me.654.7383 
516 655.2330But she never aksed me656.9113 
518 657.1315if that was okay.657.9990 
520 659.3637So I don't know how she plans to do that.660.9394 
522 662.0771But apparently in six years663.7612 
524 664.2392she'll be living with me665.3503 
525DCB_int_01665.5881[You'll have a roommate.]666.3321
526DCB_se1_ag2_f_03665.7015[in whatever] family that I have, maybe.667.9871
527 668.6110She's gonna be living there, she'll be my child.670.6830
529 672.0085I don't understand.672.7484 
530DCB_int_01673.5166But she won't be your child because she's gonna be your little sister, so you're gonna let her do things that your mama wouldn't let her do.677.7507
531DCB_se1_ag2_f_03677.9776I will not.678.9669
533 679.5066No.680.1606 
535 681.2149I'm more strict than my mom, I don't even know how that happened.684.7292 
537 685.1796Cause I had a very lenient childhood, but it's different now so I feel like688.6129 
539 688.9433I have to be more strict. She'll aks to do stuff, I'm like no,691.7902 
541 691.9437can't do that.692.4809 
543 693.8656Nope.694.3293 
545 694.6463My little brother he's like, can I go to the movies with my friends on the weekend? No.697.8836 
547 699.0681Can't do that.699.7988 
549 700.9833<ts> It was just a shooting up the street,702.6816 
551 703.0395over the weekend in broad daylight, and you wanna be going out with your friends to hang out. Nope,707.2335 
553 707.5071can't do it.708.0277 
554DCB_int_01709.3765Do you feel like it's- you- you said it's changed, how do you feel like it's changed since you were a kid versus like713.5705
556 714.1811now, twelve years later when they're,715.7602 
558 716.2406you know, pre-teen, teen.717.5513 
559DCB_se1_ag2_f_03718.5662Like,718.9433
561 719.1635I at my brother's age could-721.7568 
563 722.7178I did go to the movies, go to the mall, just hang out with my friends and not really worry about, oh something might happen or,729.7054 
565 730.2826you know.730.9032 
567 731.2602But now,732.4581 
569 733.0328<ts> literally kids are getting jumped,735.0748 
571 735.1782kids are getting like, assaulted, kidnapped738.2612 
573 739.6067more frequently than I feel like it [was happening] when I was his age. So I just feel like743.6573 
574DCB_int_01741.2516[Mm.]741.5719
575DCB_se1_ag2_f_03743.9384you have to be more cautious of the things that they are doing because747.2249
577 748.4428even in our area like,749.8808 
579 750.4089the little girl Relisha Rudd, she's the same age as my sister,753.1782 
581 753.7388and she went missing. That kind of hit home cause I was like, oh my goodness like, they're the s- she's the same age as the kids I work with.759.1115 
583 759.8389And760.5729 
585 761.3437the place like, Kenilworth where they were like, looking for her whatever, I was living right there during that time.766.8298 
586DCB_int_01767.2035[Mm.]767.4702
587DCB_se1_ag2_f_03767.2669[So] it's just kind of like,768.2846
588 768.8259you think about the area and you think about770.9046
590 771.1582what the kids are doing, and it could happen to any child.773.4955 
592 774.2587So you have to be-775.2830 
594 775.5566I know they're like, you're overprotective, but777.4885 
596 777.6453you kind of have to be overprotective cause a lot more stuff is happening.780.7283 
598 781.7435Like, adults are783.2550 
600 784.1525talking to children,785.8041 
602 785.9643know they're talking to children, so.788.0137 
604 788.5943It's just a lot. And then with social media you can't trust anybody.791.4096 
605DCB_int_01792.6524Why [do you say that?]793.2330
606DCB_se1_ag2_f_03792.7859[And my brother]793.6734
607 793.8336talks to people on social media.795.4184
609 796.4828Because they wanna like, make friends that they don't know, and you're like trying to explain it to them why you can't do that cause it might be an adult. But of course,805.0595 
611 805.7135I remember when I was younger and I did some of the same things. And now I'm thinking about it like,809.6006 
613 809.7315girl, what were you thinking? No, you don't know none of these people812.7578 
615 813.0614you was chatting with in Florida.814.6745 
617 815.2836You didn't know if they was a [teenager or not.]816.9894 
618DCB_int_01816.2754[<laugh>]816.8701
619DCB_se1_ag2_f_03817.6234But now that I'm older I'm like,819.5519
621 819.8255I have to tell them not to do it, but I understand why they're still doing it cause I did the same thing, [but still.]825.0881 
622DCB_int_01824.4275[Mm.]825.0981
623DCB_se1_ag2_f_03826.4294It's just a lot different.827.5505
625 828.2320And then when I used to work in mental health,829.8870 
627 830.4342I had a client that was in, um, sex trafficking,833.8375 
629 834.3621so835.2063 
631 836.2340that's like- She was around the same age as my little brother is now.839.3770 
633 840.2220And she was like, taken under the wing by like a older person843.6587 
635 844.0657or whatever,844.7864 
637 844.9132and put into sex trafficking and she didn't even know what was going on.847.2597 
639 848.3374So it's like, anything can happen. That happened right in our area, so.851.5205 
641 852.0043It just like, you gotta be more careful what's going on.854.2573 
642DCB_int_01855.4351When'd you work for mental health?856.6496
643DCB_se1_ag2_f_03858.2987Before I came to /RD-WORK-4/ I worked for organization that, um,862.9967
645 864.0710they basically partner with,866.2907 
647 866.6444um,867.2049 
649 867.8022health insurance companies to make sure that their outpatients871.1429 
651 871.4932goes to like, doctor's appointment and get community involvement and like, services.875.9509 
653 876.4956So,877.0128 
655 878.4041I worked at a day program before that, so probably for like,881.5639 
657 881.7807three years882.6716 
658DCB_int_01882.6825Mm-hm.883.0261
659DCB_se1_ag2_f_03883.1729between the day program and then884.8045
661 885.2049working for the other organization,887.2859 
663 887.8608so.888.2278 
665 889.3898It was a interesting experience.891.0414 
666DCB_int_01892.2593[So,]892.7898
667DCB_se1_ag2_f_03892.5162[Very.]893.0400
668DCB_int_01893.7140before I- cause I wanna ask you about working here, cause it's different being a member here, working here, and then having your siblings here.899.7722
670 900.0877but before we do that I wanna go back to- to your childhood, to school.903.4585 
672 903.6353Cause I know you said904.3687 
674 904.8765you went to a different elementary school. How was your- like,907.3631 
676 907.6033bring-907.9737 
678 908.0571going through the school system? You know, everybody was talking about DC has like bad schools and blah blah blah and-913.7235 
680 914.2173How was school for you and what did you feel like as you were going through917.4871 
682 917.7541elementary school, middle school, and then we'll talk about high school.919.9937 
683DCB_se1_ag2_f_03921.3083Elementary school I feel like was fine.923.3270
685 923.5472I feel like924.3246 
687 925.8769I just-926.5716 
689 926.9580I learned a lot before I started school.929.2461 
690DCB_int_01929.3437Mm.929.6196
691DCB_se1_ag2_f_03929.7174So that kind of helped. I had cousins that were older so I already knew how to read, write,933.9156
693 934.6563I knew how to write in cursive before I started school, I knew how to add and stuff like that. So I feel like939.3450 
695 940.5362that kind of helped me. And I didn't really942.7225 
697 943.2463see the, oh DC schools are bad, or they don't learn anything, because947.0000 
699 947.8341I learned stuff. So I didn't have a problem with- So elementary school951.2149 
701 951.6387was pretty much okay. Although I did get bullied.953.8441 
703 954.4556Then I kind of turned into a bully towards the end of elementary school because957.9723 
705 958.1291I used to get bullied.959.2135 
707 959.8308So,960.5782 
709 961.0461other than that I feel like962.3674 
711 962.6844it was fine. All my friends went to the same school, I didn't have no966.2512 
713 966.8293issues. My family went to the same elementary school as me, so970.3093 
715 971.3437that was kind of okay.972.3079 
717 972.8793Middle school,974.0037 
719 974.4175I ended up having to go to976.1058 
721 976.5562middle school977.3670 
723 977.6039away from everybody that I went to elementary school with.980.3274 
725 980.8412Cause I started going to school in my own neighborhood and that was a big change.984.6307 
727 985.2130I just [felt] like the kids were different and988.0124 
728DCB_int_01985.4116[Mm.]985.5814
729DCB_se1_ag2_f_03989.3103it was a lot. They had a boy there who was eighteen in the eighth grade and I was trying to figure out how he was still in middle school.996.3113
731 997.0094Then we found out he was actually fifteen, he was lying about his age.1000.0023 
733 1000.3961Why, I don't know.1001.6339 
734DCB_int_011002.4656<laugh>1002.8693
735DCB_se1_ag2_f_031003.2764But1003.9170
737 1004.0404I was in like the head class there, I got straight A's all the time.1007.9009 
739 1008.7926I felt like I wasn't challenged there. That was the only issue, like1011.6387 
741 1012.7264everything that we did I was like, okay when are we gonna do something different?1016.0338 
743 1016.8779So because of that,1018.1325 
745 1018.3927I decided to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/1020.3446 
747 1020.8493which is a academic high school.1022.7211 
749 1023.8522I kind of regret going to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ now because1027.0828 
751 1027.5099even though I wasn't challenged in middle school,1029.9723 
753 1030.0924/RD-SCHOOL-3/1031.0067 
755 1031.1468challenged me on a whole nother level like,1033.3965 
757 1033.4932I1033.7902 
759 1033.9837was so stressed out at that school because1036.1850 
761 1036.5996people had came from private schools, and they were coming from like,1039.5600 
763 1039.9637charter schools and schools that had1041.7321 
765 1041.8422better curriculums than what I had when I was in middle [school.]1044.9127 
766DCB_int_011044.5851[Mm.]1044.9218
767DCB_se1_ag2_f_031046.1072And I could not keep up at first. I was like, I don't understand how people are surviving.1050.3546
769 1050.7759Homework every night,1051.8769 
771 1052.5142in middle school I barely got homework.1054.4677 
773 1055.1234And at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ you literally had homework from every class1058.1305 
775 1058.2440every night.1058.7778 
777 1059.7354So that was a different experience. I learned1062.6916 
779 1063.5933that I could do a paper in about1065.8155 
781 1066.0157three hours1066.8031 
783 1066.9466and get a B.1067.5005 
785 1069.1462So that was one of the main things that I took away from that like,1071.4251 
787 1072.1391my procrastination skills1073.5238 
789 1073.7741definitely1074.7851 
791 1075.4132got tested going there.1076.9547 
793 1078.1358But I will procrastinate1079.4905 
795 1079.6506through1080.0360 
797 1080.4556a paper in a heartbeat if I'm going there, but.1082.5810 
799 1082.7545<ts>1082.8646 
801 1083.1849It was different, but our teachers had like, PhD's and everything, so it really prepared you for like1089.7855 
803 1090.1759life skills versus1091.8241 
805 1092.2145having to like just sit in a classroom.1094.2340 
807 1094.6911They had1095.3884 
809 1095.9023no sports though1097.5505 
811 1098.5056which sucked.1099.1829 
813 1100.0271[We didn't] have football team, we only had JV basketball,1103.2469 
814DCB_int_011100.0471[Mm.]1100.2940
815DCB_se1_ag2_f_031104.1444<ts>1104.2045
817 1104.5757track, cheer,1106.2472 
819 1107.2550soccer, and1109.1835 
821 1109.9142dance. That was it.1111.0628 
823 1111.8903Everything else was academic based.1114.0124 
825 1114.7431So it was like, chess club, Spanish club, French club.1119.0047 
827 1119.6287Nobody wants to be in any of those things like, especially when you go to school all day, you have to see these teachers all day.1125.5185 
829 1126.1859They had art club which was learning1129.5733 
831 1130.0404about1130.8612 
833 1131.4785art.1132.0657 
835 1132.7197Not [doing art.]1134.0410 
836DCB_int_011133.3303[<laugh>]1133.7383
837DCB_se1_ag2_f_031135.9504So no one was in the art club. They had music club but no band.1139.5170
839 1140.7058Why do you have music club? There's no band. We didn't even have instruments.1144.5229 
841 1145.4738We had music with no instruments.1147.6047 
843 1149.3450We learned notes1150.6163 
845 1151.1168[and]1151.6640 
846DCB_int_011151.3203[<laugh>]1152.3621
847DCB_se1_ag2_f_031152.4622that was it.1153.1562
849 1153.2897[It was like a waste of time.]1154.7311 
850DCB_int_011153.3931[<laugh>]1154.7445
851DCB_se1_ag2_f_031155.1148I did play the clarinet in middle school though, and I wanted to play the p- clarinet in high school but we didn't have any instruments.1160.6911
853 1161.7521So it was [a waste of time.]1162.9399 
854DCB_int_011162.1925[<laugh>]1163.1068
855 1163.4070So what did you do?1164.3221
856DCB_se1_ag2_f_031165.3598Just sat there and listened to the teacher.1167.5252
858 1167.6620I did pep squad when I was in1169.5822 
859DCB_int_011169.6381Mm.1169.8461
860DCB_se1_ag2_f_031171.1696high school,1172.0438
862 1172.3608so.1172.9313 
864 1173.6920In elementary school I was a cheerleader and a dancer, and then in middle school I danced but not for school.1179.5753 
866 1180.4995And so when I got to high school I was like, I'm gonna do something.1183.2330 
868 1183.7802So I was on the pep squad.1185.0414 
870 1185.8489It was fun,1186.4795 
872 1187.2736but it was like a rivalry1188.5023 
874 1188.8893dance team against pep squad.1190.8051 
876 1192.1492I don't know why.1192.9266 
878 1193.0801They do s- c- s- two completely different things.1195.4265 
880 1195.9437But there was a rivalry.1197.2892 
882 1197.4952And I dropped out in twelfth grade because it was just too much work.1200.4347 
884 1200.7859They wanted me to be the captain and they wanted me to graduate, I couldn't do it.1204.3227 
886 1205.3336So I quit.1205.8241 
887DCB_int_011206.2754<laugh> And graduated.1207.2797
888DCB_se1_ag2_f_031207.4298And graduated.1208.2640
890 1208.6010I was like, I have to take1209.7221 
892 1210.2748/option-/ And I was working too, I couldn't do it all.1213.0094 
894 1213.2997It was too much.1214.1339 
896 1214.7845So I quit my job and the pep squad so I could graduate on time.1218.3113 
898 1219.4332Cause at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ if you are failing, they kick you out.1222.4962 
900 1223.0067People try to make it seem like they have that one hundred percent graduation rate,1226.8112 
902 1226.9713mm-mm.1227.4985 
904 1228.6196In tenth grade, we went from having a hundred and ten1232.0404 
906 1232.3574people in my class1233.6820 
908 1234.1091to about eighty something.1236.3225 
910 1237.5233And we graduated with seventy-four1239.7054 
912 1240.4161because if your grades were like1242.2345 
914 1242.4881not up to par1243.6501 
916 1244.1305or they felt like you were going too much against the- what they wanted at the school,1248.4881 
918 1248.8626they would kindly aks your parents to remove you.1252.1058 
920 1253.2903Which was really1254.4289 
922 1254.5623they were putting you out, but not saying they were trying to put you out.1257.2449 
924 1258.4194So,1259.0067 
926 1259.2035people don't know that, but that's really how it is.1261.3527 
928 1261.7201<ts>1261.8035 
930 1262.2006So I didn't get along with the principal at all.1264.0624 
932 1264.1658She didn't l- she wanted me to leave, I was- refused.1266.6558 
934 1267.3398I got all the way to twelfth grade and she wanted to kick me out. Nope, I'm gonna graduate from here.1271.5372 
936 1273.1930So it was a struggle,1274.3040 
938 1274.5042but I made it.1275.0281 
939DCB_int_011275.5819Did you have a favorite teacher?1276.7364
940DCB_se1_ag2_f_031278.1278<ts>1278.2045
942 1278.3722Yes, Miss /RD-NAME-2/.1280.0304 
944 1280.4775She was my algebra teacher in ninth grade,1282.7130 
946 1282.8632And I never took her again.1284.1544 
948 1284.5690But even to this day she was my favorite teacher,1287.2116 
950 1287.4585from high school.1288.3160 
952 1289.3770Cause she was really good at teaching math, I don't like math at all.1292.6444 
954 1293.2216And1293.7554 
956 1294.3627I aced her class. I don't know how.1296.3720 
958 1296.7325She was just that good of a teacher. She had1298.7845 
960 1299.3951aftern- Even though she had five kids she still managed to1302.5148 
962 1302.9794tutor after school,1304.2039 
964 1304.3441and come to school a hour early in the morning1306.7998 
966 1307.0600if you needed a-1307.8508 
968 1308.0452extra assistance,1309.1863 
970 1309.8202she would sit with you at lunch time.1311.8055 
972 1312.3560So she was a really good teacher.1313.9054 
974 1315.3231But in middle school,1316.6077 
976 1316.7912I had a teacher named Miss /RD-NAME-2/, she was my science teacher.1320.7091 
978 1321.4499But1322.0104 
980 1322.3274she hosted a poetry club and I like to write poetry, so me and her got really close. So we're- even to this day like we still talk,1328.8245 
982 1329.2850and stuff like that. And we like, share writings,1331.5350 
984 1331.7274so.1332.0510 
986 1333.0695Other than that1333.7401 
988 1335.1148teachers are just1336.0324 
990 1336.7231left behind in the wind.1338.4337 
991DCB_int_011338.9379<laugh>1339.5746
993 1340.5643So,1340.8345 
995 1341.2183I didn't know you write1342.0289 
997 1342.5796poetry.1343.0434 
998DCB_se1_ag2_f_031344.3488Yes but I don't share.1345.8870
1000 1346.1572I did share at the, um,1348.0557 
1002 1348.3527<ts>1348.4061 
1004 1348.5429Torch Club when they had the poetry night here a few months ago.1351.2196 
1006 1351.3264Like a month ago [maybe.]1352.1873 
1007DCB_int_011351.9403[I think I] was out of town. I wanted to come but I wasn't here.1354.1291
1008DCB_se1_ag2_f_031354.0824Yeah.1354.4744
1009 1354.6697I shared a poem1355.7741
1011 1356.2387with the kids, they were really shocked.1357.8107 
1012DCB_int_011358.5309Why don't you share your poetry?1359.6954
1013DCB_se1_ag2_f_031360.7231I just write it and keep it in journals, and I don't like to speak1364.8212
1015 1365.1382publicly, so1366.6063 
1017 1366.7431I just never recite.1367.9484 
1019 1369.4999I only did it that day because my sister1371.7521 
1021 1372.1425is president of Torch Club and she was home sick.1374.5949 
1023 1375.7368So she aksed me could I1377.5886 
1025 1377.7187say a poem, I was like, okay.1379.0437 
1027 1379.9509One poem, that's it.1381.5099 
1028DCB_int_011382.7745I appreciate her taking that leadership to- you know, because she was out.1385.7207
1030 1386.4556I appreciate that. You have to- that's-1388.2006 
1032 1388.6777/create-/1388.9697 
1033DCB_se1_ag2_f_031388.8479<ts>1388.9113
1034 1389.2950[I had] to do it for her.1390.3577
1035DCB_int_011389.2950[okay.]1389.5886
1036 1391.3370For the kids.1391.9777
1038 1392.1444So let's talk about f- h- So you said you were a club kid1394.5209 
1040 1394.7311because you lived in this neighborhood,1396.1125 
1042 1396.6263or you lived not far from here when you were younger, right?1398.4347 
1043DCB_se1_ag2_f_031398.5790Yes.1399.3057
1044DCB_int_011399.7635And what was that experience like?1401.2349
1045DCB_se1_ag2_f_031401.7521Being a club kid?1402.5696
1046DCB_int_011402.5529Mm-hm.1402.8699
1047DCB_se1_ag2_f_031404.1945It was interes- So I was a club- by the time I became a club kid I was already a teenager. [So I was] in ninth grade.1410.6449
1048DCB_int_011409.3303[Oh okay.]1409.6806
1049DCB_se1_ag2_f_031411.9370And1412.5543
1051 1412.8813actually they placed me here for community service at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.1416.7283 
1052DCB_int_011416.7892Oh.1416.9327
1053DCB_se1_ag2_f_031417.3798So1418.2073
1055 1418.3307at first I was just coming I was like, okay all I have to do is go here, volunteer,1422.5723 
1057 1422.9527go home,1423.7902 
1059 1423.8936I don't have to do anything else.1425.5136 
1061 1426.0958But,1426.6463 
1063 1427.6540at the time,1428.9419 
1065 1430.1105I think the program director,1431.5119 
1067 1431.6754yeah,1431.9423 
1069 1432.5829/RD-NAME- 4/, he was the program [director at] the time when I was a teen here.1435.8703 
1070DCB_int_011434.4355[Hm.]1434.6782
1071DCB_se1_ag2_f_031436.3307So they didn't have no teen director.1438.3260
1073 1439.8375They barely had any staff.1441.1963 
1075 1442.0838But I- he was acting as a teen director somehow.1445.3310 
1077 1445.7682So he would like aks us to come in1448.0371 
1079 1448.5076on days that we didn't have to come in and do stuff.1451.1368 
1081 1451.2302And then he wanted to start Keystone.1453.0361 
1083 1454.3241And he aksed us to start it so that he can get the other kids involved. I'm like, okay.1458.3913 
1085 1459.5633We can do it. Get these community service hours,1462.4127 
1087 1462.9166start the Keystone.1463.9209 
1089 1464.2721So,1464.8326 
1091 1464.9894m-1465.1362 
1093 1465.6567I came here with like,1467.3317 
1095 1468.0758probably eight or nine of other /RD-SCHOOL-3/ students, and we were all close cause1472.2006 
1097 1472.4342our school's really small.1473.4685 
1099 1474.0224So we started1474.8699 
1101 1475.3670that, and that's how I ended up1476.9194 
1103 1477.3464becoming a member1478.2540 
1105 1478.5943outside of being a volunteer.1480.0796 
1107 1480.4328Cause even when I left and I wasn't volunteering here anymore I would still come1483.9170 
1109 1484.0705sometimes.1484.7712 
1111 1485.1215So,1485.5286 
1113 1485.8155I was the first Keystone president.1487.7307 
1115 1488.8593<ts>1488.9227 
1117 1489.3031That was exciting,1490.4108 
1119 1491.5219being in leadership. But none of the club kids liked me. So it was kind of like-1495.8469 
1121 1497.0548It was /RD-SCHOOL-3/ kids versus neighborhood kids, even though technically1501.8669 
1123 1502.1772we were neighborhood kids [too.]1503.5386 
1124DCB_int_011503.0548[Mm.]1503.4518
1125DCB_se1_ag2_f_031503.9556But they treated us different, so it was like, y'all are nerds,1506.9460
1127 1507.8136and we're regular kids.1509.3317 
1129 1510.4695So they would like, tease us and like,1512.6216 
1131 1513.0562try to mess with us.1514.0872 
1133 1514.1839I almost got jumped before at this club.1517.1168 
1135 1518.1511That was the worst experience ever.1519.8536 
1136DCB_int_011519.8608Mm.1520.0628
1137DCB_se1_ag2_f_031520.7411And then I got thrown on a pool table by a boy.1524.0944
1139 1525.7769Those were like,1526.5543 
1141 1527.2183the only two negative experiences that I had here, so1530.1945 
1143 1530.4889I didn't come for like, two weeks. I was like, nope I'm not going back.1533.3350 
1145 1534.0958I'm being bullied.1535.1902 
1147 1535.8275And then1536.5749 
1149 1537.2096/RD-NAME-1/ suspended the people1538.5209 
1151 1538.7945so I came back.1539.5653 
1152DCB_int_011540.7097What was your best memory of the Club?1542.2379
1153DCB_se1_ag2_f_031543.5333I got to go to Minnesota,1545.4618
1155 1545.6687which was the first time I ever flew anywhere. So that was my first Keystone conference.1549.7535 
1157 1550.7878Actually yeah, so we had a regional one it was here,1553.7874 
1159 1553.9784in DC.1554.8059 
1161 1555.3231And then we got to like stay at a little hotel.1557.7221 
1163 1558.2860But we went to, um, Minnesota and we got to go to like, the Mall of America,1562.8979 
1165 1563.2616and all of that. We got to meet people1565.1968 
1167 1565.3036from all over. So that was like the best experience. Cause number one,1568.8913 
1169 1569.2449I had never flown1570.2993 
1171 1570.5629in a airplane.1571.3456 
1173 1572.1478And then1572.9093 
1175 1573.1062I had never got to like, really go out of state without my family,1576.4080 
1177 1577.4371so that independence. My mother was terrified, she's like, you're gonna have to go and1581.8756 
1179 1582.2159there's only gonna be two chaperones. I'm like,1585.0995 
1181 1585.8402get over it, it's gonna be fine, like1587.6153 
1183 1588.3660gonna have fun. Got to stay in a hotel with my friends and1591.1562 
1185 1591.6768do stuff, so it was fun.1592.7221 
1187 1594.8699That was like the best experience that I got.1597.2063 
1189 1597.3197And I tell the kids all the time like,1598.9180 
1191 1599.0247I got to go to a Keystone conference, they're like, no you didn't.1601.2636 
1193 1601.8250I really did, and it was fun.1603.3931 
1195 1605.7021So.1606.0991 
1197 1607.1568That was the best.1608.1278 
1199 1608.2754And then,1608.9527 
1201 1609.1596oh, we used to have, um,1610.7745 
1203 1612.1825parties, which they don't do anymore. They don't allow us to have1615.0194 
1205 1615.1629teen parties anymore.1616.1973 
1207 1616.6577But we used to have teen parties all the time.1618.8332 
1209 1619.2669Those were fun cause you got to invite all your little friends that don't live in the neighborhood.1623.2016 
1211 1623.8756And then if you like somebody,1625.4471 
1213 1625.6072you could invite them1626.8451 
1215 1627.2263and nobody would know1628.4241 
1217 1628.9780that you were hanging out with them.1630.1625 
1219 1631.3270/? they/1631.6443 
1221 1631.8642thought they were a regular person coming to the party.1633.8503 
1223 1634.6977<ts>1634.7478 
1225 1634.9380So,1635.3284 
1227 1635.9423that was like, sneaking behind your parents' back,1637.8890 
1229 1638.2912doing what you wasn't supposed to do. But in a safe environment at the same time.1641.4685 
1231 1642.1658So,1642.7798 
1233 1643.7607those were like,1644.3154 
1235 1644.4722the best times, just1646.0004 
1237 1646.2640being away from my mother and not having to1648.0724 
1239 1648.7297deal with her clocking my every move.1650.8017 
1241 1652.0705So.1652.3407 
1242DCB_int_011653.1448So what is it like on the other side now that you work here?1655.7240
1243DCB_se1_ag2_f_031657.6534Mm.1657.9470
1245 1659.0147I don't know how1660.9199 
1247 1661.0834people did it back then.1662.5148 
1249 1662.9861I was very confused when I start- cause I work1665.3817 
1251 1665.5686mostly with the younger kids so it's like-1667.9843 
1253 1668.7525When I was a teenager I didn't interact with the younger kids a lot so I didn't really know how the programming and everything was ran and stuff.1674.6716 
1255 1675.2997But now,1677.0281 
1257 1678.2559it's v-1678.7664 
1259 1679.1168a lot different. You kind of know why they're telling you-1682.2106 
1261 1682.4075they weren't telling you not to do this, you can't do that, X, Y, and Z.1685.7549 
1263 1686.3188But I feel like the kids are a lot different than when I was younger.1689.8922 
1265 1690.8799Cause we really just- we came to the club, we1692.9994 
1267 1693.1396play in the gym.1694.4542 
1269 1694.9480Like,1695.3551 
1271 1695.5085I had my first summer job here, so.1697.7140 
1273 1698.4714You know, it's summer you would work and then1700.3641 
1275 1700.7144during the school year you would just hang out with your friends.1702.8565 
1277 1703.3703These kids wanna do1704.3321 
1279 1704.5657everything1705.2363 
1281 1705.5500but1706.1572 
1283 1706.3441just hang out.1707.1907 
1285 1707.8222They wanna gossip, they wanna fight, they wanna do this, they talk about people on social media. I'm like,1712.0338 
1287 1713.1849did I do that as a kid?1714.5128 
1289 1714.7130I ca-1715.1201 
1291 1715.2502It's like, you kind of try to remember,1717.0295 
1292DCB_int_011717.2397Mm.1717.5133
1293DCB_se1_ag2_f_031717.8603was I like that as a child?1719.5586
1295 1719.6687And then some of the stuff1720.8532 
1297 1721.0734I really did used to do, but I can't tell them that I used to do that.1724.0171 
1299 1724.5810I have to act like I was like, okay,1726.9399 
1301 1727.6581<ts>1727.7382 
1303 1727.8850as a child I did not do that because that's not the right way.1731.0748 
1305 1732.2926Sometimes you have to snitch on yourself, but1734.3655 
1307 1734.9727it's just a lot different. Especially dealing with the parents.1737.7354 
1308DCB_int_011738.2259Mm-mm.1738.6632
1309DCB_se1_ag2_f_031739.3170And my mother was a little1740.9961
1311 1742.0137<ts> one of those hectic parents.1743.8907 
1313 1744.2826Very overprotective and all of that.1746.4214 
1315 1746.8993So being on the other end I just tell my mother all the time like, you have to ease up because those workers1752.2145 
1317 1752.5723trust me,1753.4065 
1319 1753.9003they're going home very stressed out.1755.8389 
1320DCB_int_011756.8332Mm.1757.2035
1321DCB_se1_ag2_f_031757.2602So, it's just like you look at it from a different point of view.1760.2940
1323 1760.7011Cause my mother would be like, oh my god, you're at the club so late1764.1544 
1325 1764.4689are you really doing X Y and Z? And now we- I have to be the one that tell the parents, they really are in the program, you can calm down, they're gonna be safe.1771.4132 
1327 1772.3407So I just have to second think like, if- whenever I have children I know1776.1845 
1329 1776.3588if they're going to Boys and Girls Club or something similar like,1779.2349 
1331 1779.6720be understanding of what the staff are going through with your children. Or with kids in general, cause it can be really stressful,1785.8188 
1333 1786.3560so. I didn't think it was that stressful.1788.1611 
1335 1789.1062I really didn't think that the staff did much of anything when I was younger.1791.8389 
1337 1792.3627/I'm like/ all they gotta do is watch us do1794.1811 
1339 1794.7125this.1795.3431 
1341 1795.8870You know,1796.5242 
1343 1796.7812bring some people in to run this program, talk to us a little bit.1799.9242 
1345 1800.3013No, it's stressful1801.6200 
1347 1802.5771<ts> at times. It's like, you enjoy it but then you still have to1806.1820 
1349 1806.7358go home and think, okay1807.9203 
1351 1808.4442didn't work out this time.1809.5886 
1353 1809.7254Let's do it better next time, and how am I gonna do X Y and Z?1812.9285 
1355 1813.5733So like,1814.1405 
1357 1814.6477it's a lot different1816.2464 
1359 1817.1268being on the other side. But it's like, the best of both worlds at the same [time] because you can tell the kids like,1822.4528 
1360DCB_int_011820.5343[Mm.]1820.8209
1361DCB_se1_ag2_f_031823.6339I can relate to you cause I was in the same program, or I did this when I was younger, maybe y'all should do it this way, or1829.3003
1363 1829.9776change it up1830.4722 
1365 1830.7592a little bit,1831.3931 
1367 1831.6834so.1832.0328 
1369 1832.8012It's a interesting experience.1834.6163 
1370DCB_int_011835.3036What about Keystone? So you just went- so now this is- you just came back from the national Keystone conference but not as a1841.4371
1372 1841.6740Keystoner, as an advisor, how was that1843.9570 
1374 1844.2640on the other side of it?1845.4952 
1375DCB_se1_ag2_f_031847.2002Not as fun as when I was a [teen.]1849.9470
1376DCB_int_011849.5767[<laugh>]1850.5376
1377DCB_se1_ag2_f_031850.6610Like,1851.1649
1379 1851.9790wait, cause when I was a teenager I just thought I was like, having all the fun in the world. It's all these people I get to go and do this.1858.5929 
1381 1859.0133But then as an advisor, you gotta keep track of where these kids are going, you gotta feed 'em, you gotta make sure they doing this right,1865.4633 
1383 1865.9209check behavior. And then at the same time you have to make sure you're networking and getting something out of the conference and1871.5505 
1385 1871.9150keep it updated /?/ what's going on, so.1874.0872 
1387 1875.8055I think that1877.0133 
1389 1877.2202it was ran differently when I was younger, so I didn't know that they kind of change it every year.1882.7297 
1390DCB_int_011882.9733Mm.1883.2146
1391DCB_se1_ag2_f_031883.7040But1884.3480
1393 1885.8236for me as an advisor I feel like the networking part was great because you get to kind of see what1891.8169 
1395 1892.0671other clubs are doing, how you can bring that back to your club.1895.0801 
1397 1895.4738But when I was a kid I really thought1898.0271 
1399 1899.2416it was like1900.1058 
1401 1900.2626the advisors were having just as much fun as we were.1902.5148 
1403 1903.4732I was like, they gotta be having fun. We having fun, we1905.7655 
1405 1905.9890meeting all these new people and stuff, but1908.1111 
1407 1908.8359they probably were not.1909.9504 
1409 1910.6677Because1911.4236 
1411 1911.6520we- I only took three from our club,1914.7358 
1413 1915.3164but I think all together1917.1382 
1415 1918.0991with1918.6897 
1417 1919.4104Alloy Achievers and then with Hilton we had like fourteen kids with us1922.9547 
1419 1923.5419all the time.1924.3927 
1421 1925.9784<ts> When I went as a teen I wanna say we had-1928.8006 
1423 1930.4628it was like four of us in a room and three, so it was like maybe ten.1934.1405 
1425 1934.4241Trying to keep up with that many kids, that's exhausting.1937.9776 
1427 1938.7225Everybody wants to do something different.1940.5476 
1429 1941.3384But you have to make sure you know where they are, what they're doing, what time it's over so that you can meet back up with them.1946.5876 
1431 1947.5286And they're hungry all the time.1949.3270 
1433 1950.4456<ts>1950.5090 
1435 1950.7192All the time.1951.8569 
1437 1952.0505So,1952.6944 
1439 1953.3150I thought back to how much I was eating as a child and I remember1956.5715 
1441 1957.4766one time1958.2773 
1443 1959.0548we were in the room at the Keystone conference when I was a teen, and we kept1962.5949 
1445 1962.7759aksing1963.5700 
1447 1964.0171Miss /RD-NAME-1/ <laugh>1965.2216 
1449 1965.5286she had went with us,1966.3827 
1451 1966.7898kept aksing her can we go get snacks and she's like,1968.6683 
1453 1969.0995y'all just ate dinner can you please just, you know, relax, I'll get you guys some snacks.1973.7607 
1455 1974.3246And then they did the same thing to me when we were on the conference, and I was like, oh my god, now this is what she was going through.1980.1211 
1457 1980.4456She wanted to sleep1981.4632 
1459 1981.7869and we were aksing for snacks.1983.1715 
1461 1983.5686[And now I wanna sleep]1985.2769 
1462DCB_int_011983.5753[<laugh>]1985.8141
1463DCB_se1_ag2_f_031986.2045and they're aksing for these snacks.1987.7502
1465 1988.4842And you don't get any sleep.1990.0510 
1467 1991.1968See, as a teen you're like, oh I get to stay up late at night,1993.9003 
1469 1994.1873party, you know, hang out with my friends.1996.2326 
1471 1996.7264And as a advisor I literally got like four hours of sleep every night2000.0605 
1473 2000.7144or less.2001.3423 
1475 2001.6887And it was not okay.2002.9733 
1477 2003.3804I was tired.2004.2812 
1479 2005.5666So I thought it was a lot of fun back then. But now I'm like,2008.5295 
1481 2009.0767it's a lot of work. <sigh>2010.5081 
1483 2011.0595It's- you get something out of it but at the same time when you come back you're like, you need a whole day of sleep.2015.6473 
1485 2016.7425But you gotta come back to work at the club.2018.3407 
1487 2019.7021So.2020.2359 
1489 2020.9933I think it was best-2022.0023 
1491 2022.8756definitely both experience were interesting and they were definitely- I got something out of both.2026.8462 
1493 2027.2799But if I had to choose one,2029.1426 
1495 2029.5630I would be the teenager there cause I feel like you don't have as much responsibility, you kind of can just2034.4444 
1497 2034.9724go with the flow of things and don't have to worry.2037.2012 
1499 2038.4458<ts>2038.5325 
1501 2038.6960So, yeah.2039.4634 
1502DCB_int_012040.4552So we're gonna switch gears. Um, we're not gonna talk about the- the club as much now.2044.3524
1504 2044.5058Um,2044.9896 
1506 2045.1331but let's think about just DC. You've grown up here all your life,2048.0001 
1508 2048.4038You've2048.7675 
1510 2049.3380pretty much explored every quadrant it sounds like,2052.0206 
1512 2052.1783except maybe Southwest.2053.4490 
1513DCB_se1_ag2_f_032054.5339Yeah.2055.0552
1514DCB_int_012055.6550Are they different?2056.4057
1516 2056.6693Are the areas very different?2058.0540 
1517DCB_se1_ag2_f_032058.8556Yes.2059.7010
1518DCB_int_012060.1669Like how?2060.6974
1519DCB_se1_ag2_f_032061.3547Like, <sigh>2062.7127
1521 2063.5502where I grew up at2064.9657 
1523 2065.3861is Northeast but2067.4348 
1525 2067.8685it's considered the Southeast Northeast part.2071.5596 
1527 2072.2703So people consider it more quote unquote ghetto2075.9105 
1529 2076.3551than2077.0725 
1531 2077.6697the Northeast that's closer to Northwest.2080.0750 
1533 2081.2299So-2081.9773 
1535 2082.4552And I know a lot of people don't think about that but2084.5272 
1537 2085.3547in my mind Northeast is like two-2087.2165 
1539 2087.8013it's two parts. <laugh>2089.3294 
1541 2089.7932There's like,2090.4105 
1543 2090.7942Northeast over here near Minnesota Avenue,2093.2833 
1545 2093.6778and then there's a Northeast that's near like,2096.6173 
1547 2097.8886where they built the Costco at2099.4701 
1549 2099.7137and all of that.2100.4110 
1551 2101.0058Cause it's-2101.6297 
1553 2101.9400it's still Northeast but it's a different atmosphere like when you cross over you're like, oh my goodness, like2107.5763 
1555 2107.8966what?2108.2270 
1557 2108.7341So in Southeast, I did live in Southeast2111.5068 
1559 2111.7679for a while with my grandmother,2113.5163 
1561 2113.6998like as I was an adult.2114.8175 
1563 2116.1722<ts> I did not like it2117.2532 
1565 2117.5977at all.2118.3871 
1567 2118.6020It was always crime,2119.9300 
1568DCB_int_012120.7508Mm.2120.9388
1569DCB_se1_ag2_f_032120.9143all the time, and then people never went in their house2124.7480
1570 2125.1693in the summer.2125.9634
1572 2126.8776You will always be hearing something. I live very close to2129.8705 
1574 2130.2217the hospital,2131.1092 
1576 2131.7565so the ambulance and the fire department all that they used my street to get there, it was just too much [noise.]2138.0601 
1577DCB_int_012137.5608[Mm-hm.]2137.8917
1578DCB_se1_ag2_f_032138.5639Versus where I used to live,2140.3223
1580 2140.4691it was noise but it wasn't2142.1074 
1582 2142.5086as bad, it was kind of like you get your quiet time.2144.9343 
1584 2146.1855But then when you go up Northwest,2148.2008 
1586 2149.6297Georgia Avenue is-2151.5382 
1588 2152.0254I don't know how, people are like obsessed with Howard University2155.5997 
1590 2155.9667and they don't realize that it's smack in the middle2158.6260 
1592 2159.5735of like2160.4786 
1594 2160.8790crime and drugs.2162.3504 
1596 2163.3447When I went to high school at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ literally you walk down the street2166.7288 
1598 2167.0992you see people selling drugs but then you see college students.2169.9112 
1600 2170.5158You're like,2171.0163 
1602 2171.1398okay it's a nice mixture here going on. I mean, now, they've kind of like build up the area so it's a lot different.2176.8462 
1604 2177.2732But2177.7404 
1606 2178.2884then it was just like, okay.2180.1335 
1608 2181.1378But2181.5416 
1610 2181.8385it was2182.2972 
1612 2183.3934in one little area on Georgia Avenue.2185.5596 
1614 2185.9500In Southeast it's everywhere.2188.1634 
1616 2189.1531You got MLK,2190.5687 
1618 2191.3728then you got Malcolm X, then you go to Anacostia station, Congress Hei- It's like2195.4100 
1620 2195.8613stuff is going on everywhere.2197.2413 
1622 2198.0568And I actually had my first like2199.6984 
1624 2200.1922real experience of2201.8869 
1626 2202.8356not being involved in a crime but kind of witnessing a crime. I witnessed somebody get robbed and I was just like,2208.0373 
1628 2209.3628um, gonna act like I did not see anything, I'm gonna go in the train station and tell somebody because I did not wanna get involved.2216.3504 
1630 2217.2346So it kind of gives you that2218.7527 
1632 2219.4401feeling like you can't really2221.1092 
1634 2221.7965trust what's going on around [you in] certain parts of the city,2224.8595 
1635DCB_int_012223.4248[Mm.]2223.6784
1636DCB_se1_ag2_f_032225.4301versus others. Cause even-2227.0224
1638 2228.0735I guess because I grew up in this area I feel a lot more safe, like I know a lot of people in this area.2233.3394 
1640 2233.8266A lot of people I went to school with they still live around here or their families or2237.2866 
1642 2237.6636whatever the case may be.2238.6779 
1644 2239.0224But when you go to a neighborhood you're not from it's just like, a different atmosphere.2243.3200 
1646 2243.9839And when I went to Northwest,2245.4328 
1648 2246.1369everybody has houses.2247.4248 
1650 2248.6393All my friends I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ with for the most part2251.0291 
1652 2251.4128grew up in houses that their parents own and everything like that.2255.2833 
1654 2255.7145And then compared to when I was in middle school everybody is renting.2259.2646 
1656 2259.9186Or- Of course you don't think about it when you're younger but as I got older I'm like, okay,2263.8432 
1658 2264.5272something's not right.2265.6550 
1660 2266.7527Like they're really- they have yards2268.9123 
1662 2269.7598and everything, dogs, full families2272.7837 
1664 2272.9429things going on.2273.8813 
1666 2274.3084And then where I live it it's just like,2276.6712 
1668 2276.7936what is going on?2277.8952 
1670 2278.8061Apartments, people hanging out on the corners all night, like you can't really,2282.5006 
1672 2283.0077you know,2283.6483 
1674 2284.0687do what you wanna do cause you're worried- Like my mom used to always to be like,2286.6321 
1676 2287.0425you gotta come in before dark.2288.9443 
1678 2290.3524Why?2290.9904 
1680 2291.6703Because something might happen. And2293.6297 
1682 2293.9433now and I understand that but back then I'm like, nothing's gonna happen.2296.5993 
1684 2297.3708Just let me be out too.2299.0625 
1686 2299.6330But now I'm like, no, I'm glad I did go in before dark cause something could've happened.2303.9906 
1688 2304.6735So the city's just different all over.2306.5428 
1690 2307.5071Now,2308.3179 
1692 2310.3098I guess they're building up in every different area, but2313.5765 
1694 2313.9809Northwest is completely different.2316.8236 
1696 2317.3950Every time I go there it's a new building or it's2320.3345 
1698 2320.7950some condos, it's stuff that you never used to see.2324.4761 
1700 2325.0366So,2325.6472 
1702 2325.7640the demographics changed and then the look of everything has changed.2328.9306 
1704 2329.6411But2330.3712 
1706 2330.6629in this area over here I feel like it's somewhat the same.2333.5157 
1708 2333.8560Even though they did put the DOES building right there2336.5061 
1710 2336.6896by the Metro.2337.3903 
1712 2338.3712It didn't change anything. It's still pretty much2340.6201 
1714 2341.2407to me the same neighborhood, same people,2343.8641 
1716 2344.6115same stuff going on. So, we kind of got left on the side2348.1195 
1718 2348.8397over here.2349.4403 
1720 2350.0409Whereas Northwest2351.1029 
1722 2351.4256and even Southwest, cause when you go to Southwest2354.1616 
1724 2355.4370it used to be- So where I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ right down the street is Southwest.2359.7812 
1726 2360.1157It used to be2360.8160 
1728 2361.4003all2362.2912 
1730 2363.6325urban community.2365.1172 
1732 2366.4093Like2366.8030 
1734 2367.1767no gated up,2368.3579 
1736 2368.6181you know, envi- [communities] and all of that, everything was pretty much2371.9088 
1737DCB_int_012369.5224[Mm.]2369.8727
1738DCB_se1_ag2_f_032372.2959looking tore down and raggedy. Now,2374.3179
1740 2374.9084it's condos everywhere.2376.6837 
1742 2378.3192No townhouses though which I don't like about DC because2381.8360 
1744 2382.7602houses are disappearing, nobody's living in houses, everybody's in a condo, big apartment building, whatever,2388.0973 
1746 2388.7302But I think the city2390.1157 
1748 2390.4427overall is changing, but2392.9651 
1750 2394.0062some of the city is getting left to like2396.6629 
1752 2397.2702kind of /fiend/ for yourself at this point.2399.5090 
1754 2400.0329Cause you can't afford to stay in your-2401.5318 
1756 2401.6519your neighborhood but at the same time2403.5037 
1758 2403.8507they're pushing you to stay in that area because you can't afford to stay2406.7837 
1760 2407.2640elsewhere.2408.0290 
1761DCB_int_012407.9989Mm.2408.2492
1762DCB_se1_ag2_f_032408.9866So,2409.6052
1764 2410.9318I don't like it, I think it's time to move. <sigh>2413.7946 
1765DCB_int_012414.8531So before we get to you- time to move,2416.6248
1767 2416.8584has there ever been a time you felt like-2418.6201 
1769 2418.7903You were just talking about things being,2420.4460 
1771 2420.5995you know, dangerous crime and stuff. Have theres- have there /ever/ been a time where you felt like,2424.6001 
1773 2424.9738oh my god, I'm gonna die, something's gonna happen to me.2426.8131 
1774DCB_se1_ag2_f_032428.4647Mm,2429.2187
1776 2429.6124<clears throat>2429.9538 
1778 2430.7169well, when I was2431.6444 
1780 2432.0556a kid, probably-2433.5838 
1782 2434.7216I wanna say I was in middle school when both of these incidents happened.2437.3108 
1784 2437.7487So where I went to elementary in the Capers area,2440.7249 
1786 2442.0595<ts>2442.1496 
1788 2442.3732there was a time where they were having like, neighborhood rivalry with2445.9373 
1790 2446.3679Southwest, so it was just like a lot of shootings and stuff going on.2449.9923 
1792 2450.4560And one day I was just walking cross the little courtyard,2453.1386 
1794 2453.3956minding my own business,2455.1172 
1796 2455.8780And somebody just started shooting in a building.2457.9075 
1798 2459.0686And my aunt cause she stayed in the window being nosy,2462.6329 
1800 2463.6772like, pulled all the kids into the building, we're all like, waiting2466.6968 
1802 2467.1006to figure out what's going on. Nobody had got shot but2470.7783 
1804 2471.1754it was just the fact that it happened right there like across from where my aunt lived at.2475.2501 
1806 2475.7940And then2476.6582 
1808 2477.1653probably2477.8060 
1810 2478.1196a few months later,2479.3476 
1812 2480.9932I wanna say it was the same year, a few months later.2483.4766 
1814 2483.8760We were having like- on Mother's Day,2485.6611 
1816 2486.3026the- they were having a big cookout.2487.9608 
1818 2488.4013So we're walking- me and my friend, we're walking over to the cookout,2491.2774 
1820 2492.3626and2493.0032 
1822 2493.4537this guy2494.6682 
1824 2494.9818that we know from the neighborhood2496.3729 
1826 2497.8513he was just talking to us, we're like, hey, you know, da da da. He was like, run. And we're like, what?2502.0829 
1828 2502.7736Why are we running?2503.6616 
1830 2504.3760He was like, run. And then2505.8074 
1832 2506.2411a car- we look back and a car just slows down, and like you can see the man pulling a gun out the window, I was like, oh no. So we run.2512.7306 
1834 2513.6358And2514.2364 
1836 2514.5133nobody2515.7040 
1838 2515.9122knew what was going on.2517.4370 
1840 2517.6172Like,2517.9842 
1842 2518.2778everybody's running, nobody knows who's shooting at who, who trying to- they're trying to get,2522.3493 
1844 2522.6863and they just start shooting each other. So those two incidents,2525.3122 
1846 2525.8760even though I was younger.2527.1272 
1848 2527.5977And I feel like2528.3418 
1850 2530.1777it didn't really change the way I felt about my neighborhood because at the time /I'm'a be/ like, I still live around here, or I- I hang out there, I went to school there, et cetera.2538.3532 
1852 2538.8503But it just gives you a different2540.3251 
1854 2540.9532outlook on what could happen to you at any moment.2543.5023 
1856 2544.2998Because2545.0872 
1858 2545.3375I didn't think it was that violent around there. Even though people thought it was violent, to me it really wasn't. It was just like, oh, you know.2551.3108 
1860 2552.9899Incidents happen everywhere, people get robbed, people get shot2555.2654 
1862 2555.6992everywhere around the city. But during that time it was like, high crime around there.2559.4236 
1864 2559.8541So,2560.4513 
1866 2560.7182those two incidents I was like, oh no.2562.8509 
1868 2563.6945So of course my family was like extra paranoid after that, they're like,2566.9151 
1870 2567.4957keeping all the kids inside, you can't go out and play2571.1834 
1872 2571.5338unless you're with an adult, you can't go to the playground, it was just like2574.6368 
1874 2575.3308really hectic for a while.2577.0166 
1876 2578.5714So.2578.9585 
1878 2579.2621But those are the only really two incidents where I felt like, really unsafe.2582.2541 
1880 2583.2001And those both happened when i was2585.2988 
1882 2585.6425in like, middle school.2587.0338 
1884 2587.6219Yeah.2587.9192 
1885DCB_int_012588.6162So you've never left the city, do you wanna leave one day?2591.1320
1886DCB_se1_ag2_f_032591.7326Yes.2592.5566
1887DCB_int_012592.6868Why?2592.9738
1888DCB_se1_ag2_f_032594.3693I just wanna experience living somewhere else. And then it's so expensive to live here now. You can't even2599.9047
1890 2600.7029live comfortably without2602.3846 
1892 2602.8117really thinking about,2603.8560 
1894 2603.9861okay, I gotta pay2605.7378 
1896 2606.3126all this money for rent, gotta pay all this money for food,2609.2855 
1898 2609.6758for this, for Metro, X, Y, and Z, so.2612.3993 
1900 2613.1667I do wanna move, cause I didn't go away for school, so I feel like I just kind of been stuck h- Even though I have traveled.2619.3102 
1901DCB_int_012619.5638Mm-hm.2619.9198
1902DCB_se1_ag2_f_032619.8974But it's different living somewhere else than just visiting.2622.9281
1903 2623.2741So,2623.7621
1905 2624.0223I think2624.5089 
1907 2625.4070like,2625.7873 
1909 2626.6348people like, you're in your prime time, you can do it now, you're not married, you don't have kids. I'm like, okay,2630.9855 
1911 2631.7606soon.2632.3779 
1913 2632.8751But I don't like change that much so it's like,2635.0472 
1915 2635.3942I really have to get up the nerve to just go and do it, but it- it's takes- it's taking me a long time.2640.2664 
1917 2640.6301Cause I'm been saying this for like, two years now,2642.5628 
1919 2642.8464maybe three, that I'm gonna move out of DC.2644.7650 
1920DCB_int_012645.8794What are some places on your list?2647.2073
1921DCB_se1_ag2_f_032648.7163I really wanted to live in Florida.2650.7853
1923 2651.6079<ts>2651.7303 
1925 2651.8827I don't know why I just really like warm weather and beaches.2654.6362 
1927 2655.1100So,2655.8174 
1929 2656.2378Florida,2657.1018 
1931 2658.9504Georgia, but not in Atlanta because when I went there it was just too much going on.2665.2674 
1933 2665.5518Maybe if I lived on the outskirts,2667.5171 
1935 2668.0276you know, and I could visit the city.2669.9717 
1937 2670.7202It's a lot like DC2672.0281 
1939 2672.6496but just-2673.3502 
1941 2674.4280I don't know, it's a little more country2676.2898 
1943 2676.5000down there2677.0572 
1945 2677.2007than here.2677.6778 
1947 2678.5695And I-2679.7707 
1949 2680.3879my friend moved to Charlotte and she was like, it's so nice, you know, it's-2683.8024 
1951 2683.9989come up city, et cetera.2685.8007 
1953 2686.2244So,2686.7316 
1955 2686.8917once I go visit,2688.2035 
1957 2688.4332then I can decide if that's gonna be on my list.2690.5076 
1959 2690.8764But,2691.2702 
1961 2692.1677I definitely wanna go down, I don't wanna go anywhere where it's gonna be cold all the time.2696.0648 
1963 2696.6963Like New York.2697.6231 
1965 2699.1754It's too busy there.2700.3899 
1967 2701.2507And it gets really cold.2703.1434 
1969 2703.8741I don't like cold,2704.8984 
1971 2705.0285at all.2705.3989 
1973 2706.1563My uncle wanted me to come live in Seattle2708.2241 
1975 2708.5595with him and his family. I was like, no.2710.5314 
1977 2711.2121I will visit in the summer.2712.7469 
1979 2714.1624No one wants to live where it's gonna be snowing all the time.2716.0910 
1981 2716.5714Nope, or rain.2717.5023 
1982DCB_int_012718.7335Yeah cause I don't think it snows a lot in Seattle but I think it's a [lot of rain.]2721.9108
1983DCB_se1_ag2_f_032720.9465[The rain.]2721.9052
1984 2722.9051I don't like it.2723.6358
1986 2724.4032I don't like rain,2725.6111 
1988 2726.3092at all.2726.8664 
1990 2727.2235And he's- every time he calls me he's like, it's raining here.2729.6625 
1992 2730.3832I don't wanna live where it's always raining.2732.3325 
1994 2732.5728Like, you can't even do anything, it's always raining.2734.9918 
1996 2736.6001So.2737.0705 
1998 2737.6878For right now, Georgia and Florida are like at the top of my list.2741.4590 
2000 2742.2931But2742.8803 
2002 2743.7612I like North Carolina. I have been but2746.1877 
2004 2746.7049their neighborhoods are a little sketchy.2748.8703 
2006 2749.5977/You/ really gotta2750.9765 
2008 2751.2668pick wisely2752.4513 
2010 2752.8951where you gonna live.2753.6491 
2012 2754.4099Cause even though it's cheaper it's real sketchy.2756.2150 
2014 2757.9475I don't like it.2758.6415 
2016 2760.9119It's th- I'm seri- It's not like back roads, like people think,2763.6646 
2018 2764.0884oh it's the country. No it's not.2766.2980 
2020 2766.8852They have those little neighborhoods just like we have in DC and it's not looking right.2771.6540 
2022 2772.6951My friend took like a picture of her first apartment2775.3143 
2024 2775.7247and like outside, I was like, where do you live?2778.4381 
2026 2779.1789Is it the hood? Cause I feel like you live in the hood.2781.4592 
2028 2783.7274Cause it was people2784.9547 
2030 2785.1261everywhere. I was like, why are there all these people? She's like, oh they're just hanging out.2788.3786 
2032 2788.9300Doing what?2789.8776 
2034 2790.5783They don't have jobs.2791.7694 
2036 2792.3166Nothing just hang- like outside of her apartment building, people were just sitting on the s- steps and2796.8419 
2038 2797.3223just not doing anything, and it was like the middle of the day, I'm like, okay.2800.6089 
2040 2801.4038Then it was the buildings were all like, looking run down.2804.1198 
2042 2805.0473I was like, you need to move.2806.2285 
2043DCB_int_012807.3569[<laugh>]2808.8218
2044DCB_se1_ag2_f_032807.5606[I'm like, (laughing)]2808.0111
2045 2808.8819I'm not coming to visit you until you move. And I still haven't been cause she says she's not moving until the end of the summer.2814.3080
2047 2814.7851When you move,2815.9630 
2049 2816.2466I will come visit you.2817.6012 
2051 2818.7198I don't like sketchy.2819.8843 
2053 2820.3848I don't even go to some parts of DC.2821.9730 
2055 2822.6603So I'm definitely not going to a sketchy place in another state.2825.5740 
2057 2825.7608No.2826.1245 
2058DCB_int_012827.3891What do you like to do for fun in DC?2829.1207
2060 2830.0650Like where do you like to hang out or what do you like to do?2832.2079 
2062 2832.7484Where are the happening spots?2834.0906 
2063DCB_se1_ag2_f_032834.8805Mm, now that I'm older I guess,2836.7131
2065 2837.1302I like to go to bars and lounges. I hate clubs.2840.4018 
2067 2841.6780Don't like them at all. So like, H Street, U Street are usually like my go to places to go.2847.2309 
2069 2847.6212But I'm a homebody so I really don't like to go out that much.2850.4975 
2070DCB_int_012851.0888Mm.2851.3008
2072 2851.5292We are very similar in that way.2852.8199 
2073DCB_se1_ag2_f_032853.1608[I don't.]2853.6312
2074DCB_int_012853.1608[I can sit] at home and be so happy.2854.9700
2075DCB_se1_ag2_f_032855.2770My friends like, you wanna go? Nope.2856.8585
2077 2857.1989I don't wanna go. Then I have to spend money.2858.8882 
2079 2860.1584And2860.6289 
2081 2860.8132get2861.1892 
2083 2861.6774cute, they wanna get dressed up. I don't wanna be the only one that's not dressed up.2865.6913 
2085 2866.1059So then I have to get dressed up.2867.5272 
2087 2868.4982It's too much work.2869.5249 
2089 2870.1865So whenever I do go out, most of the time it's for a special occasion,2874.1212 
2091 2874.6283or I'm actually going out of town.2876.9706 
2093 2878.7665That's the only time that I really like to go out2880.9453 
2095 2881.3090do stuff.2881.8210 
2096DCB_int_012882.6670So now th- H Street and U Street, those are two areas that have changed a lot. What do you think about them?2886.6450
2098 2887.3390Or have you- have you- have you2888.8872 
2100 2889.3910witnessed the change? Well, I guess in your lifetime they've done a lot of changing.2893.0158 
2102 2893.5292How has that been for you? What does that2895.0707 
2104 2895.4377look like? Or what has it looked like?2897.1369 
2105DCB_se1_ag2_f_032897.9410I think for me H Street2899.7060
2107 2900.4434I probably witnessed the most2901.9182 
2109 2902.2218because2903.0801 
2111 2903.3404I've had to ride that X two line a lot in my lifetime.2906.9506 
2113 2907.5678And I like the change.2909.7141 
2115 2911.1255I feel like2911.9730 
2117 2912.7737for me,2913.7711 
2119 2914.0817this area on this side has never really had anything like that.2918.2099 
2121 2918.5902So it's like,2919.5278 
2123 2919.9649Usually when you would have to like, go out, go have fun,2922.9119 
2125 2923.1955stuff like that, you would have to go uptown2925.0006 
2127 2925.2676or downtown.2926.0483 
2129 2927.1269Versus just having to go across the little bridge, and, you know,2930.0764 
2131 2930.4434enjoy yourself. So, I like the change2932.6030 
2133 2933.2770but2933.8642 
2135 2934.0678I remember one incident.2935.4591 
2137 2936.4201So when we had the Keystone conference here in DC when I was a teen,2941.5492 
2139 2942.3600and2943.0607 
2141 2944.3895we2944.7465 
2143 2944.8866did a community service project here at this club.2947.1155 
2145 2947.8328And2948.4668 
2147 2948.6002we came from the hotel and we brung like kids on a bus2951.9988 
2149 2952.3581back to this club and we're driving down2954.6336 
2151 2955.1875H Street. And there used to be this big daycare.2958.3255 
2153 2959.6393Of course H Street back then looked really run down, it was like2963.0026 
2155 2964.0811nobo- it looked sketchy.2965.5993 
2157 2966.1798Everybody's doing everything, it's just liquor stores, torn down buildings and2970.8419 
2159 2971.2322stuff like that. So,2972.3600 
2161 2972.7504we're driving and a little girl was like,2974.7590 
2163 2976.0077oh my god, who would send their baby to that daycare, this is just so ghetto. And I'm like, oh my god.2981.7108 
2165 2982.3047Because in my mind I'm like, this is my neighborhood like, she really thought-2986.7265 
2167 2987.0101Cause I didn't think it was that bad, I'm like, that's a really good daycare, like I know somebody who kid go [there.]2991.7180 
2168DCB_int_012991.5945[<laugh>]2991.9445
2169DCB_se1_ag2_f_032992.3394Like the daycare was really good, you know. But2995.7127
2171 2996.9005hearing somebody else say that you're like,2998.4988 
2173 2998.6964oh.2999.3071 
2175 3000.1545But now it looks completely different and like,3003.2242 
2177 3004.3261I think the look of things on the outside is really what changes people's minds. Because honestly,3009.2906 
2179 3010.8065that's just like this /RD-WORK-4/.3012.8585 
2181 3013.2256If it looked really run down, people would never bring their kids here. They're like, mm-mm,3016.6923 
2183 3016.8566no.3017.3070 
2185 3017.7441But we could be doing the same exact thing we're doing right now,3020.2724 
2187 3020.7070but because of what it looks on- like on the outside people would never go.3023.5806 
2189 3023.9110And I feel like that's the same thing for H Street. They had3026.4768 
2191 3027.2108stores and they had, you know,3029.7375 
2193 3030.2046some little restaurants and stuff like that around there but people would never go3034.1117 
2195 3034.2593because3035.0668 
2197 3035.2937it was H Street.3036.1670 
2199 3037.3724And it looked like a place you didn't wanna be caught, you know, just out and about3040.8825 
2201 3041.0101at a certain time.3041.9543 
2203 3042.4648But3042.8385 
2205 3044.0397now,3045.1041 
2207 3045.8081everybody wants to hang out at H Street.3047.3704 
2209 3049.3557Some of the stuff is- been there for a long time.3051.8214 
2211 3052.1551There's one bar there. I didn't even know they3054.3914 
2213 3054.8018been open that long.3055.9329 
2215 3056.1798Maybe because I didn't drink for a long time in life, but.3059.0026 
2217 3060.0144He was like, oh yeah we've been open for3062.4000 
2219 3062.6336over ten, fifteen years. I was like, really?3065.1769 
2221 3066.5482He's like, yeah even when, you know, it was considered a bad neighborhood. I was like, oh I never knew3071.6540 
2223 3072.3214that you were here cause I would have never came to H Street to hang out.3074.9639 
2224DCB_int_013075.7722Hm.3075.8823
2225DCB_se1_ag2_f_033076.9667So- but for U Street3078.4107
2227 3078.8752I don't know, I didn't really watch U Street3080.9406 
2229 3081.1174evolve.3081.7580 
2231 3082.0850But3082.5855 
2233 3084.1011a lot of the change there is kind of still happening because some of the older clubs now they've like,3089.0993 
2235 3089.4105closed them and they're remodeling. They're still doing a lot of like remodeling and stuff on-3093.7814 
2237 3094.1059on U Street, so.3095.1502 
2239 3095.6107I think for the most part3097.1288 
2241 3097.9096to me it's always been like,3099.3336 
2243 3099.9591the same3100.6551 
2245 3100.7899minus3101.5906 
2247 3101.7842the condos3102.8015 
2249 3103.2990that are everywhere.3104.2043 
2251 3106.1484But I like Busboys and Poets so I go to U Street a lot.3108.8419 
2252DCB_int_013109.9796Have you been to any of the other new locations? Like K Street, the one over in, uh,3114.7718
2254 3114.8852<ts>3114.9653 
2256 3115.2523where is it, it's not Laurel, Hyattesville I think?3117.4277 
2257DCB_se1_ag2_f_033117.6479I've been to both of those. I went- The K Street one,3120.4748
2259 3121.0020one of my friends hosted like a big poetry event there, so I really like it cause it's bigger,3126.2713 
2260DCB_int_013126.5049Mm-hm.3126.9386
2261DCB_se1_ag2_f_033126.9953and3127.6760
2263 3128.1398it's really nice.3129.0740 
2265 3129.5545The Hyattesville one I went to,3131.6907 
2267 3132.3247obviously I go to a lot of poetry slams, I went to a poetry slam there.3135.5578 
2269 3136.1351And3136.7423 
2271 3136.8900it was like in the little back room. It's smaller3139.2456 
2273 3140.4468than the K Street one. It's-3141.5412 
2275 3142.0483it's-3142.2952 
2277 3142.4629to me it actually seems a little smaller than the U Street location.3145.3257 
2278DCB_int_013145.9329[Mm.]3146.1865
2279DCB_se1_ag2_f_033145.9830[But]3146.5558
2280 3147.8181maybe it's because their little back room is like,3150.5482
2282 3151.4958so little where the event was held, it's a lot smaller than the other two, but3155.0726 
2284 3155.6907it was nice. I think3156.8986 
2286 3158.4301the demographics for who goes to each one is a lot different.3161.3337 
2288 3161.9376Because when I went to the one in Hyattesville,3164.1617 
2290 3165.3943we- the only black people that were there3167.9210 
2292 3168.1846were the ones that were back there in the poetry event.3170.1698 
2294 3171.8314It- we were the only- I mean, it was like a room full of people but it was still like, we're the only black people in here.3177.9249 
2296 3178.3753And we're all at this one event.3179.9009 
2298 3180.8585Versus like on U Street you get a nice mix of like, different people3185.5206 
2300 3185.8209at all the different events and stuff like that. And like, K Street3188.9839 
2302 3189.8548I think it really depends on the night3191.7008 
2303DCB_int_013191.8642[Mm.]3192.1112
2304DCB_se1_ag2_f_033191.9844[for] them, like3192.7151
2305 3193.0788cause they host different stuff on different nights.3194.8490
2307 3195.3777But3195.7080 
2309 3196.9700<ts> I like the U Street location, that's my favorite.3199.2990 
2311 3199.7160And they have the best grits.3200.9867 
2313 3201.6913I just really like those grits.3203.0726 
2314DCB_int_013204.9887[Is that your favorite] grits in town?3206.4301
2315DCB_se1_ag2_f_033205.1588[So that's /my-/]3205.7261
2316 3206.7404Yup.3207.2075
2317DCB_int_013207.5545Hm.3207.7814
2319 3208.4654You have to come to my house I'll make you some [grits.]3210.3681 
2320DCB_se1_ag2_f_033209.7475[<laugh>]3210.1045
2321 3210.4882Cause my- once my grandmother passed away in two thousand twelve like,3213.5445
2323 3214.0992I don't like how I cook grits, so I don't cook grits, so it took my a long time3218.5102 
2325 3219.0874to go somewhere else (laughing) to eat grits. So I was like I wanna try3222.6550 
2327 3223.2756grits at different locations until I find the ones that I like.3226.9492 
2329 3228.1846And the3229.0888 
2331 3229.3190Busboys and Poets just happened to have the grits that I like.3231.8448 
2332DCB_int_013232.3294So that's not- okay, so is that your favorite restaurant or is that your favorite hang out spot?3235.8128
2333DCB_se1_ag2_f_033238.2752I would say my favorite hang out spot3240.5449
2335 3241.2089is Alero's on U Street.3243.5945 
2336DCB_int_013243.6379Yes, the margaritas- I- okay, [yeah, mm-hm.]3247.1355
2337DCB_se1_ag2_f_033246.3214[Yeah,]3246.7451
2339 3247.0154[they] have really good margaritas.3248.4067 
2340 3248.7504Their happy hour is3250.4787
2342 3251.4705like, the bomb. Even though I work til eight PM so I never get to go to happy hour other than the summer time.3256.7632 
2343DCB_int_013257.0801And spring br- this week.3258.0805
2344DCB_se1_ag2_f_033258.5182And this week.3259.2189
2346 3259.9529Yeah.3260.3100 
2348 3260.5669I might go.3261.5082 
2350 3262.4896I'm preparing to go on a cruise, so.3264.2546 
2351DCB_int_013264.5816You probably won't be going to [happy hour.]3265.8309
2352DCB_se1_ag2_f_033265.4358[I probably] won't go. Cause I haven't packed or washed clothes or3268.6022
2353 3269.0968purchased everything that I need.3270.4715
2354DCB_int_013270.6884Mm, you probably [won't be going (laughing) you will not be going to happy hour.]3274.1017
2355DCB_se1_ag2_f_033271.3257[<laugh>] So I probably won't.3274.0990
2356 3274.6264But-3275.2737
2358 3276.5749/like/ when we get off early, of course I can go. But for the most part,3279.6312 
2360 3279.8389Alero's is like, my favorite like, hang out spot.3282.1612 
2362 3283.0587Cause especially in the summer they have the outdoor part, and then at night3286.6856 
2364 3287.1736it doesn't- it's not just like-3289.2022 
2366 3289.7728they have- they turn half of it into like a little, um, club or whatever at night time3294.7484 
2368 3295.1422on some Saturdays and stuff, so.3297.0340 
2370 3297.4744I liked it there.3298.3461 
2372 3298.8399But if I'm gonna sit down and eat somewhere,3301.1248 
2374 3302.1031<sigh>3302.7838 
2376 3302.9272I like Busboys, I also like Ben's next door.3305.7441 
2377DCB_int_013306.2313[Mm-hm.]3306.9119
2378DCB_se1_ag2_f_033306.3781[I do not] like Ben's Chili Bowl. I don't know why people still eat there.3309.4577
2379 3309.5678I d-3309.9157
2381 3310.1025maybe cause I don't eat chili.3311.4438 
2383 3312.3380And then I don't eat hot dogs.3314.2366 
2384DCB_int_013314.8238That's probably why you don't [like it /RD-NAME-2/ because that's the menu.]3317.8776
2385DCB_se1_ag2_f_033315.7781[It's no reason for me to go there (laughing)]3317.5700
2387 3317.8309<laugh>3318.7685 
2388 3319.1755It's no- I mean,3320.4801
2390 3320.6303I eat cheese fries from there. That's it, like I don't-3323.8576 
2392 3325.0487So Ben's next door,3326.5235 
2394 3326.7437I like their food.3327.7480 
2395DCB_int_013327.7280Mm-hm.3328.1893
2396DCB_se1_ag2_f_033328.6197That's like my go to spot.3330.1879
2398 3330.6016There's a-3331.2356 
2400 3331.4458<ts> ugh, I can't think of the name,3332.7565 
2402 3333.1408there's a spot my best friend likes to go to for brunch all the time.3336.8986 
2404 3337.1755It's somewhere on U Street.3338.5435 
2406 3339.3143I can't think of the name. But they have a lot of-3341.1636 
2408 3341.4939What we try- what we're trying to do this summer3344.1231 
2410 3344.5302is to go to every3346.6456 
2412 3347.7441<ts> hopefully3348.5268 
2414 3349.1722new business that's like in certain areas, so U Street, H Street, Dupont.3354.1312 
2416 3354.5115Like all of the new restaurants and stuff so we could just like, get a feel for different environment, different food.3359.6173 
2418 3360.0077So we'll see how that goes.3361.2710 
2420 3362.8371<ts> I work a lot.3363.6546 
2421DCB_int_013364.5496You do.3365.0868
2422DCB_se1_ag2_f_033366.4148Especially in the summer.3367.4958
2424 3367.8028No one wants to-3368.5368 
2426 3369.2142I work from the morning to the af-3370.8191 
2428 3370.9834the evening.3371.6107 
2430 3372.8352So I don't know how I'm gonna make it. But I'm gonna try my best3375.9390 
2432 3376.7598to make it to majority of those restaurants. They have a list of, um, like3379.8095 
2434 3380.2366the black owned businesses3382.2719 
2436 3382.3720on Facebook.3383.2187 
2438 3383.4860And my friends are like, oh we have to go to every single one to- for support. I'm like, okay, that's a lot of businesses.3389.1661 
2439DCB_int_013389.8008But that's a good thing.3390.8052
2440DCB_se1_ag2_f_033390.9486<ts>3390.9987
2442 3391.0888It is.3391.7594 
2443DCB_int_013391.7160But you just don't wanna be having to go to all them [restaurant.]3393.8882
2444DCB_se1_ag2_f_033393.6946[And I] have to spend money every time.3395.5239
2445DCB_int_013395.9944<laugh>3396.6116
2446DCB_se1_ag2_f_033396.6116That's what they don't understand (laughing) I'm like, y'all be wanting to go somewhere.3399.7480
2447 3400.2218So they- they trying to say two days a week3402.6978
2448DCB_int_013403.2623[Mm.]3403.6159
2449DCB_se1_ag2_f_033403.4191[that we're] gonna go somewhere.3404.6698
2450 3405.1007That's a lot of money.3406.1017
2452 3407.0134I still have to live.3408.1612 
2453DCB_int_013409.0421That is a lot.3409.8262
2454DCB_se1_ag2_f_033409.8395I'm like-3410.3600
2455DCB_int_013411.2208You report back for me.3412.2502
2456DCB_se1_ag2_f_033412.3161<laugh>3413.4105
2457DCB_int_013413.5740I'm not [gonna be able to make it.]3414.8218
2458DCB_se1_ag2_f_033413.8542[I'm'a just get a] shared appetizer with somebody.3417.0162
2459DCB_int_013417.2609And be like, this place [was] great, [yes, the- Mm.]3420.0478
2460DCB_se1_ag2_f_033418.0425[<laugh>]3418.2360
2462 3418.8232[It was great.]3419.5373 
2463DCB_int_013420.2213The [cheese fries] were the best, get them.3421.9096
2464DCB_se1_ag2_f_033420.2913[Yup.]3420.7033
2465 3421.9262That- that's it, [yup.]3423.2275
2466DCB_int_013422.8705[Mm-hm.]3423.2372
2467DCB_se1_ag2_f_033423.8214[The tea] was good.3424.9325
2468DCB_int_013423.9315[Um-]3424.3515
2469DCB_se1_ag2_f_033426.4108[/??/]3427.0821
2470DCB_int_013426.5783[They might have a] nice peach tea.3427.9769
2471 3428.4382Um, have you been a tourist in your own town? Like, do you- besides like restaurants and stuff like have you3433.1936
2473 3433.5473been to the monuments and the museums?3436.6170 
2474DCB_se1_ag2_f_033437.8623I haven't in a whi- I guess, well, working here,3441.0955
2475DCB_int_013441.2423Mm, [well.]3441.8662
2476DCB_se1_ag2_f_033441.4158[yes.]3442.2309
2477 3443.0482We're actually supposed to go to the National Mall tomorrow.3445.1903
2478DCB_int_013445.2537<laugh>3445.9537
2479DCB_se1_ag2_f_033446.1346And the MLK memorial.3447.6427
2481 3448.8172So when I was a kid I feel like I got tired of going to museums because3453.8729 
2483 3454.4802every year,3455.4586 
2485 3455.6788you would go3456.5931 
2487 3457.0502to the same museums3458.6551 
2489 3459.7695throughout all of elementary school. They would take you to the Air and Space Museum, the Native American, like every Smithsonian museum.3466.5869 
2491 3467.3377Because it's free.3467.9758 
2493 3469.6641And they would take you.3470.4315 
2495 3470.5950Then you have to go to the cherry blossom p- parade, and3473.2037 
2497 3474.4429it was just too much.3475.4839 
2499 3475.5974So as I got older I kind of stopped going to museums.3477.9694 
2501 3478.3033But3479.0808 
2503 3479.2976they're opening up the, um,3481.1736 
2505 3481.5373African American History Museum, <ts>3483.2181 
2507 3483.4258so I'm definitely gonna be there.3484.8806 
2509 3485.0048Because that's a big stepping stone3486.9100 
2511 3487.3605for DC, so my friends and I are planning3490.2900 
2513 3490.8480a trip where we all go.3492.3261 
2514DCB_int_013492.8233Excellent.3493.5006
2515DCB_se1_ag2_f_033493.5940<ts>3493.6674
2517 3493.7475So,3494.1546 
2519 3494.5283I do go.3495.2923 
2521 3495.7228<sigh> My friends that are into exercise and stuff they like to walk on the Mall3499.8509 
2523 3500.6784during the summer.3501.5126 
2525 3502.7638They catch the train there,3504.2694 
2527 3504.4496and then we walk around the Mall, and then from the Mall to Union Station.3508.1665 
2529 3509.1250I got sick one time because that's a long walk. They were like, it's right there, it's not that long of a walk. No, it's a long walk.3516.3528 
2531 3517.5640It's very long. And then they didn't wanna take the train home. They be like,3521.1742 
2533 3521.5087we could walk and then walk down here, get on the bus and walk. No.3525.5500 
2535 3525.8562I'm leaving,3526.4201 
2537 3526.6403going home.3527.1475 
2538DCB_int_013527.2784<laugh>3529.4138
2540 3530.6350So,3531.0724 
2542 3531.8195this is a question that I like to ask everybody.3534.2460 
2544 3534.5096Um,3535.0101 
2546 3537.2189I'm just laughing about the- the Union Station.3539.0307 
2548 3539.4620Um, cause it is a long walk.3540.8566 
2549DCB_se1_ag2_f_033541.1403[It is.]3541.9362
2550DCB_int_013541.4639[It is.]3542.2106
2551DCB_se1_ag2_f_033542.2547My friends were,3543.1088
2553 3543.5526it's right there. I'm like, okay sure. [No.]3546.3128 
2554DCB_int_013546.1693[Mm-mm.]3546.5453
2555 3546.6564You're like, that right there never came.3548.1818
2557 3548.5750We [still walking] five miles [later.]3550.2833 
2558DCB_se1_ag2_f_033548.8185[/??/]3549.2905
2560 3549.8896[We still walking.]3551.0896 
2561DCB_int_013550.8272[<laugh> Right.3551.5485
2562 3552.1159Um,3552.7098
2564 3553.9978are you big into music?3555.0087 
2565DCB_se1_ag2_f_033557.0641I am,3557.6088
2567 3557.7723it depends on the type of music.3559.5173 
2569 3560.2747So,3560.8419 
2571 3561.3624I don't listen to3562.3534 
2573 3562.6003that much3563.7147 
2575 3564.2761music that like, has come out3566.0978 
2577 3566.3147recently.3567.3014 
2579 3568.1732But3568.5569 
2581 3569.6154I like-3570.1426 
2583 3570.4296I listen to a few local artists3572.4515 
2585 3572.5850because a lot of them3574.2333 
2587 3574.8205I like, grew up with or-3576.8600 
2589 3577.5139When I was in high school I was really big into wanting to be a publicist.3581.5076 
2591 3581.8223So I called myself representing some people.3584.3183 
2592DCB_int_013584.6309<laugh>3585.1757
2593DCB_se1_ag2_f_033586.3801I don't know why,3587.3907
2595 3587.6021but I thought I was doing something.3589.5540 
2597 3590.3081I really was just making like MySpace pages and stuff like that, but3594.2561 
2599 3594.8667they got a little, you know, extra fans.3597.1222 
2601 3597.5860So, I listen to a few local artists. I listen to a lot of R and B music,3601.8343 
2603 3602.5850some rap music.3604.0998 
2605 3604.2633Very selective people3605.9216 
2607 3606.8800in the rap music.3608.0044 
2609 3608.2947So yeah.3608.7814