Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DCB_int_01	0.3582	And	1.1926
3		1.3427	What do you consider your hometown?	2.7400
4	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3.0928	Washington DC.	3.8492
5	DCB_int_01	4.3364	What neighborhood?	5.1137
6	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	5.5570	Uh,	5.9171
8		6.2613	Bloomingdale.	6.8696
9	DCB_int_01	7.0897	Bloomingdale, and where is that?	8.4223
10	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	8.8540	It's uh, n- it's right above a area called LeDroit Park it's um, actually,	13.6122
12		14.2961	uh,	14.7214
14		17.4856	it's on W Street by /sub-/	19.3814
16		20.2926	between Michigan Avenue and Florida Avenues uh, and between	24.4363
18		25.4323	North- I think between North Capital	27.4332
20		27.6093	and	28.2776
22		28.9539	Second Street I'm not sure I think Second [Street.]	31.0927
23	DCB_int_01	30.8326	[Northwest?]	31.7050
24	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	31.8926	Northwest	32.3928
25	DCB_int_01	32.3368	[Northwest?]	33.0051
26	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	32.6209	[Yeah, it's] Northwest.	33.6134
27	DCB_int_01	35.4342	And how long have you been in The District?	37.0087
28	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	37.5090	<clears throat>	37.8276
30		38.0452	Been here all my life, sixty one years.	39.4899
31	DCB_int_01	41.8608	And you've lived no other place?	43.1394
32	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	43.5611	Nope.	43.8612
33	DCB_int_01	43.8172	Nope.	44.1092
34		44.4775	And um, where'd you go to school?	45.7428
35	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	46.0462	Uh,	46.5542
37		48.0107	You mean for elementary to junior high [or high school?]	50.7640
38	DCB_int_01	50.1357	[Mm-hm, /all-/.]	50.7640
39	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	51.3842	Um, I s- I s- I	52.6546
41		52.8067	initially went to m- uh, Lucretia Mott-	54.4074
43		54.9517	Mott uh, Elementary.	56.2103
44	DCB_int_01	56.3301	[Mm-hm.]	56.7594
45	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	57.1624	Then	57.4385
47		58.0188	Katie C. Lewis	59.1229
49		60.5355	um,	61.0518
51		61.2799	Ele- Elementary.	62.2764
53		62.4844	Then I was um,	63.4587
55		64.2430	/RD-SCHOOL-4/ Junior High	65.6190
57		67.7624	and Cardozo High.	68.7758
58	DCB_int_01	73.0684	And what's your current occupation?	74.5611
59	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	74.7630	Uh, community health worker.	76.0476
60	DCB_int_01	81.4530	What about your parents? Where were they born?	82.9397
61	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	83.1254	Uh, Wilson County, North Carolina.	84.7552
62	DCB_int_01	86.0758	Both your parents?	86.8162
63	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	86.8928	Yup.	87.0716
64	DCB_int_01	92.0193	And what did your parents do for a living?	93.9482
65	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	94.1843	<clears throat> My mom worked for um,	96.0870
67		97.1275	uh,	97.6021
69		98.0759	the	98.4601
71		98.7460	Catholic nuns at Dominican House of Studies	100.9470
73		102.5193	uh, as a- k- as a utility worker like kitchen- kitchen aid.	105.9609
74	DCB_int_01	110.6146	Mm-hm.	111.1028
75	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	112.6933	My dad was a truck driver and landscaper for um,	115.1962
77		115.4323	National Arboretum.	116.3443
79		120.9464	Also a taxi driver.	122.0091
80	DCB_int_01	124.9935	So tell me-	125.8659
81	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	126.0620	<clears throat>	126.3421
82	DCB_int_01	126.7503	I'm gonna stop writing now.	128.2889
84		130.4259	So tell me a little bit about	132.8150
86		133.2850	your childhood home, what you remember, your neighborhood.	136.3410
87	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	136.9822	Alright.	137.2369
89		137.3744	G- uh, growing up, uh, basically we grew up in, uh,	140.2064
91		141.1997	Bloomingdale ar- area of Washington DC in Northwest uh, not far behind University.	145.4530
93		146.0335	Uh, I had, um-	147.2260
95		148.4546	had three sisters and four brothers and one half brother	152.2159
97		152.8241	who didn't live with us, he lived in Richmond, Virginia pretty much, uh,	155.6855
99		156.7157	my mom and dad, um,	158.2382
101		158.3863	they were in the home	159.3027
103		159.5268	and	160.0161
105		160.8514	we, um,	161.6335
107		162.2698	pretty much born- our ages range,	164.6192
109		165.1569	uh, in- in years from nineteen	167.3980
111		167.6016	forty-seven my oldest brother being born to	169.8586
113		170.2268	nineteen fifty-eight my baby brother being born so like I say it's f-	173.1779
115		173.6061	four boys three girls	174.6284
117		174.9388	primarily.	175.4854
119		176.2291	Um,	176.8398
121		177.6436	pretty much had like a close knit family.	179.6045
123		180.1545	Uh, we-	181.2158
125		181.5151	as brothers and sisters we had our	182.9358
127		183.3257	differences we had our squabbles,	185.1786
129		185.7228	um,	186.3228
131		186.7108	we had our distances between each other and then we had our closeness amongst	190.1724
133		190.6282	s- you know, certain uh,	192.7735
135		193.5255	pairs	194.1015
137		194.3859	amongst us you know, um,	195.5286
139		195.9244	my baby sister and I, we were real close.	197.9733
141		198.5531	Um, my um,	199.7998
143		200.4860	my	200.6781
145		201.0063	older s- one of my older sisters- my middle	203.0192
147		203.2073	uh, older sister and my	204.3918
149		204.8876	brother that was uh,	205.8196
151		206.1442	one- that was two years older than I was they were really close.	208.9575
153		209.5413	And uh,	210.1853
155		210.4217	my oldest two brothers they weren't really close but they did things together.	213.9604
157		214.6397	And um,	215.5690
159		216.3080	they weren't really close they kind of like went their own	217.8887
161		218.2609	ways.	218.9892
163		219.5472	So like and then my baby brother he was kind of like independent because he was the baby boy so	224.0871
165		224.5171	he was kind of like sheltered a little bit and um,	226.9889
167		228.5905	so my mom and dad raised us you know and they worked hard they uh, pretty much	231.6959
169		231.8360	took care of us the best they could.	233.0526
171		233.1682	But we um,	234.3447
173		235.0930	we were-	235.8694
175		236.0175	we weren't	236.4577
177		236.5857	well off we weren't-	237.5166
179		237.6662	we weren't like uh,	238.6707
181		239.0646	well to do.	239.7433
183		240.2132	My father was a hard worker we uh,	241.8239
185		242.4040	sometimes uh, didn't have	244.0327
187		244.5765	uh,	244.9485
189		245.6210	an abundance of food where we had enough to eat.	247.5939
191		247.9421	Uh,	248.3167
193		248.6201	sometimes my mother would like struggle to-	250.4370
195		250.9270	we didn't have cereal she would like make us uh,	252.9959
197		253.4361	what we call like um,	254.4788
199		255.3646	saltine crackers, little sugar and a little water, that would be our cereal.	259.0419
201		259.2001	You know uh, either	260.3767
203		260.7969	we would get government rations like what they call govment- gov- govment cheese not government, go- govment.	265.9708
205		266.5110	Govment cheese	267.5315
207		267.6636	um,	268.0477
209		269.1678	and pork in the cans.	270.9806
211		271.5329	Um, she would get, uh, powdered milk,	273.6859
213		274.3537	uh, powder eggs those type of things just to supplement	277.3311
215		277.8033	food.	278.2687
217		278.9016	And we did that f- for a little bit.	280.5161
219		280.9483	But my father pretty much was a good provider, took care of us.	283.5615
221		283.9813	Made sure we had,	284.7773
223		285.0538	you know, food in the house to eat,	286.4464
225		287.1787	clothes on our back.	288.0191
227		288.2312	We pretty much	289.0432
229		289.7155	would get uh, our school clothes every summer around about August,	293.4652
231		294.0295	school- you know enough	294.9476
233		295.0677	you know, maybe like a pair of shoes, couple pair of pants, couple of shirts.	297.9290
235		298.3087	Just to you know go to school, we have some fresh clothes to go back to school with.	301.2458
237		301.8544	Uh,	302.2517
239		302.4182	it was a lot of uh, mouths to feed and a lot of clothes to buy for kids, uh, eight kids so.	306.7722
241		307.5521	Uh, they did the best they could. Then we	309.7331
243		310.7616	grew up, uh, f-	311.8261
245		311.9221	from the	312.5624
247		312.9844	during the fifties	314.1249
249		314.8012	and- and the sixties,	316.5639
251		317.0960	relatively	318.0560
253		318.8364	great life, you know, uh,	320.9375
255		321.5656	you know /maybe/ like watch TV, go to school,	324.7310
257		325.2891	have fun, play with our friends,	327.2941
259		327.7938	you know, pretty much, uh, everything was really really good you know and uh,	331.4795
261		332.4755	then I think the things started changing around about nineteen s- well,	336.3088
263		337.1315	can I go back a little bit? Uh, remember	339.0827
265		339.5704	primarily for- for my- for me,	341.0791
267		341.5170	I remember some major incidences happening in	344.0662
269		344.4121	the sixties and that was uh,	345.7728
271		346.4771	some stuff having to do with the Civil Rights Movement	348.5118
273		348.8680	and also with uh,	350.2206
275		350.9084	the assassinations of people like Malcolm X and Medgar Evers,	354.0003
277		354.5741	um,	355.1064
279		355.6862	the murder of Medgar Evers,	356.8307
281		357.3830	assassination of Malcolm X and also uh,	359.6443
283		360.3101	Martin Luther King and John- and Robert F. Kennedy.	362.4421
285		363.0514	Uh, and John Kennedy also nineteen sixty three that was a major- that was a big thing, my mom really was hurt	367.2514
287		367.6370	by him- him being assassinated as President of the United States.	369.9119
289		370.4859	So um, those are like turbulent times during the Civil Rights era.	373.7634
291		374.3952	and with Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement uh,	377.3056
293		377.7328	so we knew that although we-	379.5074
295		379.6274	we were survivors, we were surviving as a family,	381.9379
297		382.4243	we still had uh,	383.5008
299		383.6968	a lot	384.0730
301		384.4572	to struggle for in terms of like being black	386.4479
303		387.2843	in America and being black in DC and also	389.9055
305		390.3732	uh,	390.7374
307		390.8535	being uh,	391.4215
309		392.1180	how do you say it?	392.5767
311		393.0785	Uh, having to deal with	394.4705
313		395.0532	struggles of m- uh,	396.1217
315		397.0198	you know, work, you know, trying to get jobs and	399.1463
317		399.5890	you know, just trying to survive,	401.2157
319		401.3734	so.	401.6841
321		402.4859	Nineteen sixty eight when King was assassinated you know how long,	406.6124
323		406.9875	you know,	407.2955
325		407.8639	prior to King being assassinated	409.4293
327		409.8929	you know as a k- child, as a young, young, young, young, young uh,	413.3202
329		413.6084	teenager	414.1030
331		414.5844	I noticed, uh, well I was- /I-/ not even a teenager then but I was still like adolescent,	418.2901
333		418.9859	noticed that there was uh,	420.1313
335		421.3990	a lot of drugs	422.2795
337		422.4035	flowing through- through the city.	423.6377
339		424.1843	Pri- primarily heroin.	425.4070
341		426.0447	Uh, marijuana too, you know, so	428.3098
343		428.5619	most people that used drugs they e-	430.3787
345		430.7785	either did marijuana. And then there were some- there were some people that were- we called the junkies that did the heroin.	435.7888
347		436.5207	But uh, even though they were /?/ called junkies, well they still were respected because you know we- we knew that they were like functional addicts	442.3011
349		442.6288	as they say you know there,	443.8734
351		444.3376	there were certain people that uh, we knew	446.0864
353		446.2625	either had jobs or either they hustled	448.5035
355		448.9695	you know	449.4177
357		449.6476	to support their habits so we looked up to them because they,	452.3769
359		452.8308	you know they weren't-	453.5881
361		453.6952	they weren't really asking anybody for anything they was like you know getting it on their own.	457.0568
363		458.0488	So um,	458.6594
365		459.3334	we used to like	460.2155
367		461.1280	look at them and kind of	462.2365
369		462.3445	sort of like feel like that	463.5851
371		463.7212	that wasn't us but	464.6736
373		465.2294	uh, s- around that time	467.1223
375		467.5465	a lot-	467.9518
377		468.3668	a lot more people started doing it and younger people started doing it.	470.8698
379		471.3340	And eventually when the riots- /or/ when the riots came after King's assassination,	474.8974
381		475.3532	you know a lot of time my brothers they were- they were- they were into snorting heroin	478.8571
383		479.3488	and eventually I got into it myself.	481.4697
385		482.4720	And I got into it uh,	483.4764
387		483.9006	after-	484.5406
389		485.2528	after about a year or so of snorting, you know, I decided to start injecting heroin.	489.6381
391		490.0266	You know cause my other friends they had- they had started injecting be- right before I did	493.0600
393		493.5322	and they- they were just	494.3806
395		494.6625	uh,	494.9638
397		496.0071	coaxing me to-	496.6857
399		496.9515	to do the same thing.	497.9240
401		498.4918	And I went along with the crowd and started injecting heroin too.	501.4571
403		501.8974	So that's when the- the bad years, you know, started to c- y- you know creep in.	505.9770
405		506.4608	Cause although we were like smoking marijuana, you know, drinking beer and all this kind of stuff	510.3701
407		511.1429	uh, doing the heroin eventually got to the point- it got to the point where	514.8144
409		515.2702	uh,	515.6423
411		515.9024	I had a habit, my brother had a habit you know and	518.3236
413		518.6517	lot of o- lot of the other guys had habits that we d- that we dealt with.	521.4717
415		522.3770	So uh,	522.9733
417		523.8594	we spent a lot of years	524.9839
419		525.3761	supporting our heroin habits.	526.7047
421		526.8128	And my mom, she wasn't-	527.9075
423		528.3691	she wasn't um-	529.2477
425		531.3544	she- she didn't really try to stop it	533.4274
427		533.6172	you know because she didn't really understand	536.0146
429		536.4141	the nature of what we were dealing with.	537.8547
431		537.9388	[We hid it.] We kind of masked it.	539.4075
432	DCB_int_01	538.0108	[Mm-hm.]	538.5071
433	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	539.9917	Uh, and she didn't know that w- w- we had heroin habits that we were like	543.5431
435		543.8989	suffering with heroin habits being sick and needing- needing to /uh/	546.7762
437		547.2884	you know steal and	548.4457
439		549.0648	you know scheme to get our money to get our heroin.	551.3378
441		551.4979	Uh,	551.9552
443		552.6224	so she really didn't know-	554.1384
445		554.2890	know, uh,	555.2454
447		555.3495	what we were dealing with.	556.1961
449		556.7256	She knew that we smoked weed and we were smoking- growing it in the backyard in the- in the- in the alley or whatever.	561.6959
451		562.0241	We were coming out she would smell it on us and she would like you know-	564.4848
453		565.1531	you know say how she was- how she didn't- she hated that we smoked that stuff.	568.5582
455		569.2385	But you know my father- she wouldn't tell my father because she wanted to protect us from my father cause my father was a strict-	574.1025
457		574.6828	strict disciplinarian when- if he found out /if we-/ we- we were- we were doing something like that, you know,	578.7624
459		579.3102	uh, he w- you know he woulda came down hard on us so she kept it from him.	582.6486
461		583.1658	And by him not really knowing what was going on, uh,	585.5869
463		586.3370	pretty much- it went on unchecked.	587.9137
464	DCB_int_01	588.4197	Mm.	588.7451
465	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	589.1481	So uh,	589.9805
467		590.1646	so that's how it pretty much was um-	592.0174
469		592.8813	so /also/ my old- one of my older brothers second from my oldest uh, he-	596.4654
471		596.9148	he eventually uh- he had a good job working at the printing office as a, um,	600.1414
473		600.9384	you know um, as- I can't s- /he-/ think he was doing some kind of printing work with the	604.2759
475		604.5378	printing office.	605.1101
477		605.5623	He eventually	606.3146
479		606.5725	started	607.1499
481		607.6290	you know injecting too	608.7153
483		608.8594	along with me and my other bro- my brother /that was/ one-	610.7602
485		610.9443	two years older than uh, myself.	612.3686
487		612.9688	So	613.2901
489		613.8092	we all were injecting together. So we pretty much stayed together us three.	616.9705
491		617.4669	You know uh,	618.5922
493		618.8070	you know	619.2472
495		619.7795	scheming and hustling and- and you know doing what we could to get money you know to support our heroin habits.	624.4092
497		624.8254	My oldest brother was a metropolitan police officer, he was uh,	627.3825
499		627.6787	he was a Vietnam War vet from the nine- from the s- uh, sixty seven,	630.9707
501		631.4319	sixty six, sixty seven. He came home,	633.5319
503		633.9789	he, uh, got a job as a metropolitan police officer.	636.3618
505		636.5418	He worked for-	637.2832
507		637.7984	he worked as a metropolitan police officer for some years and then he eventually was uh, kind of railroaded	642.2543
509		642.6820	out of the police department, he eventually sued them	645.1231
511		645.4713	and uh, won his lawsuit	646.7959
513		647.1796	and was reinstated.	648.0449
515		648.7924	And he uh, he worked til uh, til his retirement in nineteen ninety eight.	652.3454
517		652.8840	Five years after his retirement in two thousand three,	655.1547
519		655.6328	you know, he- he had a heart attack.	656.9342
521		657.0695	[You know passed] away at fifty four.	658.2180
522	DCB_int_01	657.1135	[Mm.]	657.5309
523	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	659.0242	Um,	659.3482
525		660.3488	I had, uh, my brother that I used heroin with for,	662.9737
527		663.4257	uh, for all those years m- from the	665.7175
529		666.1910	late sixties like, early seventies,	668.5161
531		668.6717	you know into the-	669.4624
533		669.8402	into the uh, eighties	671.0728
535		671.2009	uh,	671.6462
537		672.3374	he suffered a-	673.4779
539		674.2898	he suffered a stroke	675.3499
541		676.1747	in	676.7390
543		677.7434	ninety	679.1634
545		679.7079	one.	680.0466
547		680.7924	In ninety one and um,	682.2354
549		682.5972	he had uh, gotten clean off of heroin uh, somewhere around about nineteen-	686.0492
551		686.5466	I think around about nineteen eighty	688.3746
553		688.5453	eight or eighty nine somewhere /about-/ around eighty nine he had got clean.	691.8546
555		692.3888	Uh, so he was clean from like eighty-nine up until the time uh, of his death because he contracted AIDS the HIV virus.	697.7891
557		698.3489	HIV AIDS in nineteen eighty-four he found out he had the vi- the virus HIV AIDS.	702.3328
559		703.2449	And um,	703.7836
561		704.9035	he had- he suffered a stroke in	706.2841
563		706.5562	ninety-one, November and then	707.8768
565		708.3486	uh, he was then hospitalized and then they found he had other complications going on,	711.5421
567		712.0143	and they-	712.4530
569		712.9965	mm with the virus he- they started giving him /AGT/ and eventually	716.0472
571		716.4399	he kind of like you know it- it took it's toll on his body.	718.9452
573		719.3888	And January twenty fourth of nineteen ninety two he passed away.	722.4902
575		722.9824	<clears throat> My father was having complications with COPD,	725.3711
577		725.8953	you know c- um,	726.7567
579		727.4640	you know it's like /where-/ it's like	728.7734
581		730.4330	it's called- I think it's called COPD uh, /??/	732.6780
583		733.3463	COPD car- cardio	735.0156
585		735.3148	obstruction pulmonary something uh, disorder.	737.3477
587		737.5198	Something like that.	738.1464
589		739.0485	But uh,	739.5047
591		739.7408	he-	740.2768
593		740.9689	it's a respiratory disease, I have it myself so uh, he-	743.7556
595		744.1064	he was having problems with his respiratory disease, he had smoked for like about fifty something years.	748.0144
597		748.5399	Or sixty years and um,	749.8973
599		750.3155	<ts>	750.3736
601		750.5516	my father like about seventy one I think when he died,	752.9037
603		753.4778	he died like four months after my brother died in ninety two.	756.0270
605		756.1586	You know, from- from the uh, respiratory disease.	758.0994
607		758.7197	<clears throat> So um,	759.7157
609		760.5544	pretty much um, <clears throat>	761.8710
611		763.4415	my sisters they didn't- they didn't have those	765.9466
613		766.0557	problems I did have one sister that-	767.6564
615		767.8325	that used- uh, snorted heroin for a while,	770.9885
617		771.2064	um,	771.7546
619		772.5750	she snorted for a short period of time	774.5199
621		774.7675	and uh,	775.2649
623		775.6359	she had certain- some friends that she hung with	777.7169
625		778.1971	that- that did it, you know, but she didn't- she didn't actually do it with us.	781.4124
627		781.8624	But she did it with her friends,	783.2790
629		783.6592	and then she did heroin for a while, she snorted she never shot.	786.5543
631		787.1021	But eventually when she went from uh, heroin-	789.8794
633		790.1475	snorting heroin to c- uh,	791.6062
635		792.5326	wasn't crack cocaine but it was freebasing.	794.2433
637		794.6411	You know	794.9813
639		795.2934	the difference between freebasing and crack cocaine is like	797.6203
641		797.9844	freebasing you pretty much	799.1049
643		799.5492	you prepare it yourself.	800.5936
645		800.9093	You know.	801.2493
647		801.7897	You have to know how to cook it up you have to know what ingredients to put in,	804.3039
649		804.7351	in the- in the- uh, the water and everything and	807.5498
651		807.9944	uh, what to add.	809.1127
653		809.7169	So she was th- she was freebasing so	811.8619
655		812.3599	freebasing,	813.0723
657		813.2563	preparing it herself,	814.3809
659		814.7886	and she did that for a while eventually she uh,	817.1129
661		817.7780	then she stop- stopped doing that in like	820.0630
663		820.5028	/it was/ uh, nineteen-	821.8114
665		823.2881	think somewhere around nineteen eighty six.	825.6121
667		826.5513	Because yeah, she was doing it back in the um-	828.7007
669		829.2601	in like the early eighties.	830.3566
670	DCB_int_01	830.4767	[Mm.]	830.8329
671	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	830.6328	[And-] and uh,	831.5648
672		832.7715	I think she stopped doing it in like nineteen eighty six and uh,	835.1046
674		835.4585	I started uh, freebasing at nineteen eighty-eight my mother had a heart attack, massive heart attack, she died.	840.5507
676		841.1207	Um, cause she died like four years before my dad and my brother.	843.3377
678		844.0278	My mom, she had a massive heart attack in eighty eight, I was- we were-	846.9149
680		847.0190	my brothers and I m- I-	848.5677
682		848.9416	even my brother had passed in ninety two	850.5343
684		850.8820	he was still alive then.	851.9505
686		852.5148	And my other- my second oldest brother we were shooting heroin but we were shooting	856.0885
688		856.2205	powder cocaine too.	857.2850
690		857.9929	So we were shooting powder cocaine and- and uh, around that time in nineteen eighty eight	861.8551
692		862.6586	uh,	863.1308
694		864.0952	for a short period of time,	865.4672
696		866.6622	uh,	867.1542
698		867.5306	they- it-	868.1039
700		868.2549	we were shooting powder cocaine	869.8237
702		870.1776	in maybe like eighty-	871.5382
704		872.2581	think we was shooting powder cocaine at eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight.	875.2084
706		875.7317	And um,	876.2159
708		877.1821	that-	877.5941
710		877.7224	then uh,	878.4565
712		878.5966	the- the young- y- what do you call 'em, the youngsters, you know young guys	882.1480
714		882.5281	they were switching over to	883.8539
716		884.0088	rock cocaine it was /right-/ Rayful Edmonds period.	885.9075
718		886.4557	You know Rayful Edmonds you remember- you heard of him, right?	888.2931
719	DCB_int_01	888.4722	Mm-mm.	888.9135
720	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	889.1485	Rayful Edmonds was like a drug kingpin in Washington DC he was pretty much like a her- uh,	892.8885
722		893.7044	cocaine	894.3644
724		894.6488	kingpin	895.2675
726		895.4252	uh,	895.8134
728		896.5012	trafficker and everything he, uh,	898.2100
730		898.3981	pretty much had a c- had a monopoly on like the cocaine market.	901.4900
732		901.9535	He was like the big- the big- the big shot in DC that was like transporting,	905.5707
734		905.8771	uh,	906.2184
736		906.5209	cocaine from like California to DC.	908.5259
738		908.9020	You know having it come in in kilos every- every- every week.	911.4819
740		911.9732	And uh,	912.4319
742		912.9257	a lot- lot of the guys in DC that were selling crack cocaine back in the eight-	916.4468
744		916.6189	uh, late eighties, early nineties	918.1442
746		918.6038	they w- uh,	919.1985
748		919.5420	they actually-	920.1023
750		920.7226	well late eighties primarily, they were like actually uh, selling it	923.8658
752		924.3398	uh,	924.6479
754		925.1201	selling powder cocaine too they were selling it because	927.3812
756		927.5871	uh, from what Rayful Edmonds had brought in.	929.1798
758		929.8699	So he was the- he was the her- he was the ki- uh,	931.6627
760		931.7708	the cocaine, uh,	932.7992
762		932.8953	kingpin.	933.4014
764		934.1474	And eventually they- I think they busted him around about eighty nine somewhere around the time I was- I was incarcerated cause I got locked up in eighty-	940.0759
766		940.5721	eighty-nine, I stayed locked up for seven months so while I was incarcerated,	943.6633
768		944.0751	uh, we heard about Rayful had got busted.	945.6278
770		946.1720	And he turned a lot of evidence on	947.5047
772		947.8448	a lot of the people that	948.5932
774		948.7990	were asso- were associated with him.	950.1917
776		950.6279	So a lot of people went down,	951.9239
778		952.4122	you know, as a result of him	953.3296
780		953.6328	getting locked up.	954.4172
782		955.2696	But like I say when a-	956.1420
784		956.2776	when a young	956.7978
786		956.9979	guy starts switching from	958.2465
788		958.7627	powder cocaine to crack cocaine in nineteen eighty eight	961.1251
790		961.8619	um,	962.4619
792		963.4747	that was like the year my mom died I was- I was shooting cocaine, the night my mom died I was shooting cocaine all night long.	968.3605
794		969.0888	Uh, you know just to numb myself against, you know,	971.0657
796		972.1257	the, you know, grief of her passing.	973.4964
798		974.1026	But um,	974.6466
800		975.5291	we started like uh-	976.8377
802		977.3059	they started selling the crack cocaine I said I would never do it because I remember my sister used to freebase, I used to smell it,	981.7617
804		982.1157	and I would say I- I would never do it.	983.4723
806		984.0663	/When they/, uh,	985.4110
808		986.0850	the crack cocaine they started	987.5217
810		987.8739	selling that, people were smoking it.	989.4106
812		989.8143	You know I thought it was stupid, you know um,	991.8610
814		992.4435	eventually I saw it as a means of like me hustling and selling some of it,	995.6027
816		996.2248	you know support my heroin habit, you know, and um,	998.6981
818		999.1622	I did it for a minute but eventually	1000.8647
820		1001.2804	I w- I tr- started trying it myself but I didn't know what- what to look for in the high, didn't know what to expect from the high so I was smoking it.	1006.5949
822		1007.0089	So I was with this girl one da- one night,	1008.5376
824		1008.8937	and uh,	1009.3219
826		1009.7879	she and I were like having sex together and we was like you know,	1012.0009
828		1012.2668	getting high together and I was smoking the crack and I was saying,	1014.5561
830		1014.9138	what- you know, what /do you-/ what are you supposed to get from it? She kept telling me,	1017.9112
832		1018.3732	you know I was gonna feel it, I was gonna get something from it, just keep smoking it.	1021.3666
834		1021.7925	So I kept smoking it, I really didn't- didn't- didn't- didn't	1024.3115
836		1024.5294	feel anything because	1025.5734
838		1026.1101	uh, I didn't know what to look for.	1027.3394
840		1027.5187	You know?	1027.9309
842		1028.0270	And	1028.4592
844		1028.6908	it- it just- it didn't hit me- it didn't hit me right away.	1030.8160
846		1031.3360	But uh, after I smoked it for a period of time eventually	1035.0275
848		1035.4735	I started to kn- to you know know what to expect from it,	1037.8146
850		1038.0427	you know, so.	1038.6720
852		1039.3170	Uh,	1039.8613
854		1040.0534	from nineteen-	1041.2019
856		1041.4656	I say around nineteen	1042.4629
858		1043.1704	uh-	1043.6984
860		1044.4950	let's see nineteen eighty eight-	1045.8123
862		1046.6858	yeah nineteen eighty eight to uh-	1048.7671
864		1050.2212	on up to	1050.9358
866		1051.3697	ninety seven	1052.1644
868		1052.7041	you know I was pretty much	1054.1487
870		1054.2888	doing-	1054.9328
872		1055.6090	/I mean- I'm even/ I was locked up in eighty nine for seven months but from nineteen eighty eight to	1059.4027
874		1059.7829	ninety seven I was pretty much doing	1061.5735
876		1062.1618	heroin, shooting heroin,	1063.7777
878		1064.0742	uh, and smoking crack cocaine.	1066.1222
880		1066.5193	You know,	1066.7980
882		1067.0115	I wasn't really smoking any more reefer at that time too much.	1069.7426
884		1070.3326	You know, occasionally. That wasn't- that wasn't- that was no longer	1072.9562
886		1073.3638	uh, a t- a choice drug for me cause I was doing the hard stuff.	1076.1423
888		1077.1091	So I did that for a while but uh,	1078.8410
890		1079.0459	kind of left out one part.	1080.1726
892		1080.7445	You know, in nineteen seventy two,	1083.6699
894		1084.3382	um,	1084.7383
896		1085.7424	my brothers, you know, we-	1086.9730
898		1087.8833	we did the heroin for a lot of years but	1089.9483
900		1090.4481	my brother that was two years older than me	1092.2089
902		1092.4010	we used to hang together and we hung with some guys and	1094.5700
904		1095.1280	um,	1095.6002
906		1095.7843	uh,	1096.1405
908		1096.6167	back in nineteen	1097.7114
910		1098.4153	seventy-	1099.1756
912		1099.4918	around s-	1101.0125
914		1101.4802	around nineteen seventy one-	1102.9689
916		1104.4216	nineteen seventy or seventy one, there was guy in uh, in uh, DC, c- and his name was Colonel	1108.3692
918		1108.6911	/Hassan/.	1109.2978
920		1109.8734	And Colonel Hassan had a um,	1111.6262
922		1112.2603	he was trying to like get people off of drugs,	1114.5374
924		1114.9496	and he uh, had these uh,	1116.5303
926		1116.6521	pills they call- they call dolophines.	1118.4907
928		1119.1550	And the dolophines were like uh, more like a heroin substitute, you know, they-	1123.0346
930		1123.7687	you know you took the pills and you got high but you know it wasn't- it- it wasn't- it wasn't illegal you know but he was able to like	1129.6898
932		1130.2592	i- you know,	1130.9712
934		1131.1597	issue out those pills, you know, to people that would sign for 'em.	1134.0903
936		1134.6808	And so we would go up to this hotel called White Hotel and he had his own	1138.1784
938		1138.5342	um, like uh,	1139.7301
940		1140.0148	it was like military style, uh,	1141.7628
942		1142.1478	uh, army of guys	1143.4398
944		1143.8361	you know that had on like the green army like	1146.0812
946		1146.2933	type uniforms and	1147.2777
948		1147.6659	they were uh, they were his soldiers and stuff so it was Colonel Hassan's army	1150.9686
950		1151.3832	you know.	1151.7113
952		1151.7994	But they would like be the ones that would	1153.4401
954		1154.0319	s- you know s- have us sign the forms you know to get the pills.	1157.1094
956		1157.4953	So we would go over there every day and get the pills and you know /?/ we would use 'em	1160.5006
958		1161.0187	until that- that program fizzled out and then we uh-	1163.7894
960		1164.4461	they uh,	1165.4319
962		1165.5483	brought this program in called like the NTA, that was Narcotics Treatment Association.	1168.9190
963	DCB_int_01	1168.9837	[Mm-hm.]	1169.4919
964	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1169.3399	[They] came in, they had this /pr-/ uh,	1171.5052
965		1172.1087	had this pill called methadone.	1173.2652
967		1173.3853	Methadone was like	1174.4373
969		1174.9260	um,	1175.5193
971		1175.8504	it was like a pill, we called it a biscuit.	1177.4563
973		1177.5587	It had like four sec- sections to it.	1179.2075
975		1179.6477	So the bis- the methadone biscuit was like when you sign up for the program,	1183.1595
977		1183.5651	you would go to the program,	1184.7656
979		1184.9617	they would give you	1185.7261
981		1186.0622	maybe like a quarter of the biscuit they would put it in	1188.4131
983		1188.7652	little bit of water and they would stir it up.	1190.3580
985		1190.9240	And then you would drink it and drink some orange juice behind it cause it was really nasty, right?	1194.2873
987		1194.7403	So once you drink it,	1195.6549
989		1196.1907	it would- it wa- it was a substitute for	1198.3801
991		1198.5241	the heroin, just like it is today, methadone is a substitute for heroin	1201.6481
993		1202.0335	to get people	1202.7642
995		1203.3106	off of, you know, heroin dependency, you know, but then they become	1206.2729
997		1206.8203	methadone dependent.	1207.6643
998	DCB_int_01	1208.4285	[Mm-hm.]	1208.7933
999	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1208.4765	[You know.]	1208.8098
1000		1209.2206	But since it's legal and since it's a drug and it's legal	1211.6233
1002		1211.8034	then they can treat you	1212.8261
1004		1213.1718	but they don't- they don't get- actually get you off of	1215.3755
1006		1216.0717	you know the addiction.	1217.1087
1008		1217.3151	You they /run/ from one addiction to another.	1219.3284
1010		1220.4934	So we took the methadone for a while but we would buy the biscuits illegally on the street.	1224.4926
1012		1225.0398	Cause people were selling methadone biscuits.	1226.7225
1014		1227.0227	You know, and so you could buy a methadone pill,	1229.4197
1016		1229.9703	uh,	1230.3064
1018		1231.1514	then you know you- you /would/ have to be in the program but you would- there- it would keep you high	1235.2534
1020		1235.5970	for a long period of time.	1236.7237
1022		1236.9461	You know in the beginning of using heroin-	1238.7658
1024		1239.2363	when we first started using heroin, heroin was so good it- it- if we	1242.6784
1026		1242.9811	snort it- snorted or shot it	1244.9064
1028		1245.4679	it would keep us high all day.	1246.8458
1030		1247.1435	You know	1247.5688
1032		1247.8348	I mean just from one dose.	1249.0687
1034		1249.1791	You know.	1249.4863
1036		1249.9473	And then as years went on, it- people started cutting it more and then	1253.2645
1038		1253.6487	uh, you know making it weaker you know	1255.7756
1040		1255.9915	uh,	1256.3955
1042		1256.8029	you had to uh,	1257.8735
1044		1258.5745	buy more and it would- it didn't last as long.	1260.6193
1046		1261.2486	But with the methadone and biscuits	1262.8138
1048		1263.1019	they lasted all day, sometimes they- they- you would even still	1265.8026
1050		1266.2225	uh, feel the effects of it the next day.	1267.8359
1052		1268.2868	You know.	1268.6709
1054		1268.9974	So um,	1269.8136
1056		1270.2457	we did that and then there was uh-	1271.8733
1058		1272.4109	people were OD-ing off the me- off biscuits too they took too much of it.	1275.1620
1060		1275.5461	We had a guy that we grew up with named /RD-NAME-2/	1277.5959
1062		1277.9512	he uh,	1278.5610
1064		1279.5404	he bought uh, couple of biscuits and w- he w- he took uh-	1282.0754
1066		1282.9009	he took a whole biscuit	1283.8035
1068		1284.0244	and	1284.5573
1070		1286.1849	it didn't- he didn't feel the high come on fast enough.	1288.6527
1072		1288.7487	You know it was coming down real slow.	1290.1553
1074		1290.2466	It took a l-	1290.7603
1076		1291.1060	took about forty five minutes to maybe like couple of hours for it to really hit you all the way.	1295.1086
1078		1295.8155	So he was waiting for it to come down, the high to come down on him and he said he wasn't feeling it.	1300.4125
1080		1301.0726	So he said he was gonna take the other biscuit so we told him not to take it.	1303.7997
1082		1304.0013	You know.	1304.3854
1084		1304.8413	So we told him just wait a while, you know don't take it so he said he wasn't gonna take it but what he did was he snuck and took it.	1309.7385
1085	DCB_int_01	1310.5306	[Mm.]	1310.8306
1086	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1310.5738	[And he snuck] and took it and he sat down in a chair	1312.6051
1087		1313.1759	and when it came down on him	1314.4346
1089		1314.6690	nobody- everybody thought he was nod- nodding or knocked out asleep,	1317.5833
1091		1318.0202	he had OD'd and he died.	1319.5421
1093		1319.7916	You know.	1320.1709
1095		1320.2717	So he was sitting in the chair dead and nobody really knew it.	1322.2498
1097		1322.9652	Um,	1323.3733
1099		1324.5877	so as the years went on I- I- I was in and out of methadone programs from nineteen- about nineteen	1329.5137
1101		1329.9936	seventy two	1330.8194
1103		1331.3187	or nineteen seventy four	1332.4710
1105		1332.7255	somewhere around the time, in and out of methadone programs	1334.9532
1107		1335.3660	from seventy two or seventy four all the way up until nineteen ninety-	1338.3460
1109		1338.7123	ninety eight.	1339.1736
1111		1340.1573	And I would get in the program and then I would either get kicked out for later on	1343.5613
1113		1344.0125	I- I- I did okay but I would either	1345.9569
1115		1346.1633	just stop going	1347.3684
1117		1347.6901	and go back to shooting heroin or either as the year- as the later years came we started doing the-	1351.3881
1119		1351.9485	th hero- the	1352.6686
1121		1352.8319	cocaine in the eighties when I would be in the methadone program	1355.0532
1123		1355.3428	I would get kicked out of the program because they find you with a- you get a dirty urine.	1358.4491
1125		1358.9002	With cocaine they would kick you out of the program.	1360.6842
1127		1360.8015	[So I-]	1361.1616
1128	DCB_int_01	1360.8351	[Mm.]	1361.0983
1129	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1361.4832	I got kicked out of the methadone program I would have to wait like six months,	1364.4552
1131		1364.9639	you know before I could come back in.	1366.1945
1133		1367.6908	So then after six months I would go back in, so then I would	1370.0578
1135		1370.3121	do okay for a while and	1371.4641
1137		1371.8917	I'd go back to shooting the	1372.7751
1139		1372.9816	cocaine and	1373.7738
1141		1374.8442	get kicked out again.	1375.7132
1143		1376.2990	And uh, toward the end	1377.7201
1145		1378.7571	um,	1379.4651
1147		1380.9511	I think I was	1382.1034
1149		1382.5547	smoking the cocaine	1383.7293
1151		1383.9133	and got kicked out.	1384.5662
1153		1385.2719	Yeah it was smoking the- I was- I was in the methadone program,	1387.8219
1155		1388.1622	and I got kicked out for smoking the cocaine and then I even went to uh,	1391.0813
1157		1391.5804	detox, used to be over at DC General, I went there.	1393.7071
1159		1394.0385	I w- I went there twice.	1395.1678
1161		1395.6757	First time I went	1396.4050
1163		1396.8711	I wasn't ready.	1397.5864
1165		1397.8889	Uh, went right	1398.5707
1167		1398.7675	back out on the streets again,	1399.9449
1169		1400.3278	start-	1400.7743
1171		1400.9039	uh, got back on methadone	1402.0853
1173		1403.0883	start smoking the c- uh, smoking the c- cocaine- cocaine again,	1405.7682
1175		1406.2042	and got kicked out of the program again.	1407.7742
1177		1408.8542	Um,	1409.4102
1179		1409.8049	by that time,	1410.7449
1181		1411.6869	um, I think-	1412.9642
1183		1415.5708	and that was like eighty six	1417.6184
1185		1418.1395	was-	1418.7368
1187		1420.2806	I was in the program in eighty eight,	1421.6585
1189		1422.8972	and I got kicked out and I think I was in the program again in	1426.3482
1191		1428.6053	the nineties but I got kicked out	1430.7147
1193		1431.4956	somewhere around ninety two or so, somewhere around there and	1434.2230
1195		1434.8275	um,	1435.3124
1197		1435.7349	by that time, like I say my father had died, my brother died I was staying in the house by myself.	1440.1243
1199		1440.6943	My sister was staying there with me, she had a- she had a baby girl in ninety one.	1444.1365
1201		1444.6167	She got out of the house because I was bringing people in the house that were a threat to her because people were coming in the house they were smoking cocaine and they were acting crazy	1450.6948
1203		1451.1508	you know so she- she got out of the house	1453.4170
1205		1454.0074	and um,	1454.5221
1207		1454.7228	eventually	1455.5294
1209		1455.8030	um,	1456.1967
1211		1456.9935	my brothers and sister decided to sell the house cause my father- there was a lean against the house you know my father taking out /it's/ like thirty thousand dollar loans on the house.	1463.5758
1213		1464.0126	He was dead the house was uh,	1465.4259
1215		1465.9715	/they were late/ uh,	1466.7731
1217		1466.9508	the	1467.0996
1219		1467.2004	loan was due and everything so we's	1469.3124
1221		1469.7594	they s- my brother sister decided to sell the house and you know pay the loan- the loan off and then we got some money, five thousand a piece and	1475.5314
1223		1475.8469	everybody went their separate ways.	1477.0040
1225		1477.5896	Uh, by that time I was homeless, in ninety three uh, December of ninety three I became homeless.	1482.2419
1227		1482.6931	And I stayed homeless from like uh, ninety three	1484.8441
1229		1485.2520	up until um,	1486.5200
1231		1487.4892	ninety seven.	1488.2093
1233		1488.3966	Around about	1489.1024
1235		1490.0434	May of ninety seven.	1490.9594
1237		1491.1765	You know,	1491.5317
1239		1491.6998	somewhere around that- around that time.	1492.9238
1241		1493.7689	And uh,	1494.2778
1243		1494.4074	reason I	1494.9034
1245		1495.2908	no longer	1495.7325
1247		1496.0254	was homeless at- at that time was because	1498.0851
1249		1498.3587	I got so sick. I- I was HIV positive too my brother was in eighty four,	1501.7686
1251		1502.0313	I was diagnosed in eighty seven.	1503.4553
1253		1503.9037	You know then I was redi- uh,	1505.2577
1255		1505.4161	then I was rediagnosed in eighty nine.	1507.2294
1257		1507.8741	But I was HIV positive too and I was uh, coming down with pneumonia.	1510.8467
1259		1511.1724	So I was like selling heroin over at Northeast	1513.0833
1261		1513.6544	Fourth Street Northeast, uh, helping- helping a seller I wasn't really a	1516.5591
1263		1516.9096	a s- s-	1517.7683
1265		1517.8890	you know actual seller.	1518.9650
1267		1519.4973	You know I was	1520.4719
1269		1520.5776	working with people that were selling it.	1521.7696
1270	DCB_int_01	1522.0849	Mm-hm.	1522.5410
1271	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1522.6467	And eventually uh,	1524.0054
1273		1524.2262	I got s-	1524.7352
1275		1525.2393	got pneumonia,	1525.8993
1277		1526.4588	and	1526.9094
1279		1527.4284	had to be hospitalized and when I was hospitalized, my sister uh, I c- I came out of the um,	1531.2157
1281		1531.9079	hospital I went into a shelter,	1533.2719
1283		1533.4105	and when I went to the shelter,	1534.5964
1285		1534.9948	uh, you know the-	1535.9681
1287		1536.0655	the living conditions in the shelter were you know, poor.	1538.1204
1289		1538.5042	And I got sick again had to go back to the hospital, so when I went back	1541.6404
1291		1541.9899	my sister had uh,	1543.1592
1293		1543.7998	her and my sister-in-law had	1545.0289
1295		1545.3218	you know, gotten me a room.	1546.1564
1297		1546.7427	You know.	1547.0920
1299		1547.2900	And uh,	1547.7461
1301		1547.9670	my sister paid my rent for like about three months.	1550.0910
1303		1550.4971	Cause she said if I stayed in the shelter that I was eventually gonna die cause I kept getting sick.	1554.1988
1305		1554.8515	So uh, by that time when she got me- helped me get me into the uh-	1558.2224
1307		1558.9276	got me into the room,	1559.7569
1309		1560.2575	I had already been applying for my uh, SSI.	1562.7899
1311		1563.1908	[So eventually]	1563.9415
1312	DCB_int_01	1563.2196	[Mm-hm.]	1563.6997
1313	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1564.3767	when I got into the room, and within three months at the time, my sister's paying my rent and everything I was a- you know /going/ back and forth down	1569.5186
1315		1570.0467	to uh, social security	1571.1413
1317		1571.5398	my SSI,	1572.4328
1319		1572.6488	Supplemental Security Income had kicked in,	1574.5596
1321		1574.9821	so I was able to get a check every month	1576.4511
1323		1576.5615	and pay my rent.	1577.6215
1325		1578.5203	I was in the- back in the methadone program,	1580.4536
1327		1580.6568	wasn't using any crack cocaine,	1582.6048
1329		1583.0093	wasn't smoking anything, all I did ma- I did use once	1586.7638
1331		1587.2581	or twice when I was in the program.	1588.8616
1333		1589.2986	But I wasn't using it regularly.	1590.5228
1335		1590.6909	And I got a couple of dirty urines and	1592.4625
1337		1592.9136	then I was told you know I needed to s- leave that stuff alone or else I'm gonna get kicked out again, so.	1596.8890
1339		1597.3305	Stopped doing the crack cocaine, stopped doing heroin	1599.7935
1341		1599.9039	and um,	1600.4351
1343		1601.9203	Can't leave this part of the story out but see in nineteen ninety seven, when I was in the program I was also uh, introduced to uh, Jesus Christ in the program. I had already been- my mother and f- mother was actually a God fearing woman she always went to church you know and everything we knew- when we were kids we went to Sunday school and to church.	1616.5969
1345		1617.3072	But we didn't go consistently, my father he wasn't- he wasn't a believer.	1620.3500
1346	DCB_int_01	1620.5816	Right.	1620.8512
1347	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1620.8649	You know my mom sent us, so we- we uh, w-	1623.2635
1349		1623.3517	we- I knew about church, I knew about God you know I knew about faith.	1626.1677
1351		1626.7893	But I didn't know enough about it but then I was always crying out for God to help me you know out of my addiction you know get me out of you know being sick and	1633.2475
1353		1633.5346	having to chase dope all the time and feeling bad uh, every day and	1636.6186
1355		1636.9240	having to get dope and then get the dope not really feeling	1639.2574
1357		1639.7999	normal, you know once I get the dope it's- it's- it's not good enough to make me feel normal.	1643.8614
1359		1644.1878	And then I had to go and try to steal some more s- stuff from people and get some more money and I would do it-	1648.9362
1361		1649.1810	it was a vicious cycle me going back and forth.	1650.9814
1363		1651.4183	So um,	1651.9809
1365		1652.3784	in like nineteen ninety seven when I was in the program I got introduced to Jesus Christ and uh,	1655.5682
1367		1656.0175	um,	1656.3631
1369		1657.2033	accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior and uh,	1659.4806
1371		1659.6037	I- I was saved. And I went	1661.0039
1373		1661.4425	from uh, being a heroin addict to being you know drug free cause I	1665.0194
1375		1665.4129	eventually made- made up my mind to get out of the program get off of the methadone and just be drug free.	1669.7963
1377		1670.7324	You know and by nineteen ninety eight, I	1672.3359
1379		1672.4656	/went the-/	1672.7749
1381		1672.9313	went in the program May first nineteen ninety seven,	1675.1353
1383		1675.6918	by uh, October uh,	1677.4347
1385		1678.3661	third-	1678.8741
1387		1679.8302	October f- third I was uh,	1681.5340
1389		1681.7315	completed the program, I got out of the methadone program but I still	1684.6075
1391		1685.1610	used when I got out of the program	1687.1295
1393		1687.2687	and uh,	1687.7776
1395		1688.0801	then I was	1688.7715
1397		1689.1507	part of this uh,	1689.9627
1399		1690.1859	other program called RAP.	1691.2712
1401		1691.4918	It's uh, Regional Addiction Prevention.	1692.9274
1403		1693.5225	I was part of that program	1694.8172
1405		1695.2317	because	1695.6734
1407		1695.9615	I had my housing through them.	1697.1561
1409		1698.0404	In other words when I was in the methadone program I was uh,	1700.2817
1411		1700.6905	living in	1701.3865
1413		1702.8605	/RD-ADDRESS-6/	1703.8976
1415		1704.1520	and uh,	1704.8814
1417		1705.3521	then	1705.7521
1419		1706.0195	because I became a part of RAP	1707.3878
1421		1707.5030	Regional Addiction Prevention Program they got me-	1709.4004
1423		1709.6876	/but/ I had the room at first, I had the- the room that my sister had got me,	1712.2529
1425		1712.5535	then I went from there to /RD-ADDRESS-6/.	1714.3722
1427		1715.2326	RAP got me into my own apartment	1716.8842
1429		1716.9850	in Southeast	1717.7223
1431		1717.8348	you know	1718.1948
1433		1718.3100	on Orange Street Southeast,	1719.4273
1435		1719.5439	Washington DC.	1720.2113
1437		1720.6865	Stayed in there for like about a year	1722.3331
1439		1722.6213	and um,	1723.1627
1441		1724.4600	that was like nineteen ninety seven to nineteen ninety eight, and then	1727.3460
1443		1727.9360	um,	1728.5359
1445		1729.2465	when they	1729.6450
1447		1729.7746	found I had used, they got me- they put me in a drug treatment uh, uh, program.	1733.5280
1449		1734.1005	You know and I stayed in there for like about	1735.6657
1451		1736.0591	nineteen days, twenty-one days something like that.	1738.4260
1453		1739.2423	You learn a whole lot	1740.2370
1455		1740.7354	uh,	1741.1915
1457		1741.4170	made up my mind I wasn't gonna get high again.	1743.1650
1459		1743.9135	Came out /unintelligible/	1745.3135
1461		1745.4163	/?/ it was condition of me keeping my apartment to go into the program so I-	1748.3546
1463		1748.5512	g- kept my apartment	1749.5312
1465		1749.9484	and after that uh, RAP's uh, independent living program they- they s- they were cutting that, phasing that out.	1754.3318
1467		1755.1862	And um,	1756.1475
1469		1756.4873	I was looking for a place to stay and s-	1757.9469
1471		1758.2299	fortunately,	1758.8253
1473		1759.3774	couple of my friends had	1760.3856
1475		1760.7649	moved on Robinson Place Southeast and they had apartments and	1763.6168
1477		1763.9768	when I tried to apply I was denied because they s- they didn't have any apartments.	1767.1023
1478	DCB_int_01	1767.2462	Mm.	1767.5344
1479	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1767.5630	But fortunately you know by the grace of God,	1769.5830
1481		1769.8004	I was uh-	1770.4484
1483		1770.8710	I got a phone call from- from one of the- my friends that lived over there he said-	1774.3182
1485		1774.6396	he said, man they have apartment /up-/ an apartment open over here, so I call	1777.8420
1487		1778.1973	and I was able to get the apartment.	1779.4133
1489		1779.6038	So I went	1780.1319
1491		1780.4920	to Robinson Place and um,	1781.6635
1493		1782.2300	after I got to Robinson Place I- I was getting my SSI, I had uh-	1785.2980
1495		1785.8548	had bought like a little car,	1787.1607
1497		1787.2952	then uh,	1787.6965
1499		1788.4232	I went from	1789.6099
1501		1789.8636	uh,	1790.3556
1503		1791.0302	not- I wasn't using,	1792.2956
1505		1792.8881	and I was uh, actually coming here	1795.0187
1507		1795.5719	for my medical services, Family Medical.	1797.4636
1509		1797.6555	Around the time nineteen ninety eight I was starting to come here for my medical services.	1800.8579
1511		1801.2995	And going to support groups and everything so I did that,	1803.4552
1513		1803.9160	for	1804.5880
1515		1805.0635	uh, six years,	1806.0422
1517		1806.4796	nineteen ninety eight to-	1807.8480
1519		1808.0448	eight years really.	1808.7555
1521		1809.0915	Nineteen ninety eight to two thousand six I was coming here, getting my medical service getting /you know/ HIV support groups.	1813.9309
1523		1814.2957	Not using, staying clean,	1816.1930
1525		1816.5761	The only thing I- only thing I still did was smoke cigarettes, I s- but actually I stopped	1820.4459
1527		1820.9690	smoking cigarettes in two thousand four.	1822.3850
1529		1823.1727	So by the time I- time I-	1824.4340
1531		1824.7185	I- I got offered a job here, I d- I- I wasn't smoking cigarettes, I wasn't doing drugs.	1828.9505
1533		1829.4331	I was uh,	1830.0958
1535		1830.2781	you know I was still getting SSI,	1831.9434
1537		1832.4242	and um-	1833.0536
1539		1833.4611	and pretty much	1834.1332
1541		1834.4213	had my own apartment, yeah I was- I was pretty much care free.	1836.9659
1543		1837.0665	You know.	1837.4314
1545		1837.8203	They offered me a job here and uh, basically I was- got the- took the job in two thousand six as a uh,	1841.7428
1547		1842.4293	uh, HIV medical adherence specialist cause I had learned a lot about it.	1845.2613
1549		1845.4443	You know being- being positive I had learned a lot about it.	1847.7223
1551		1848.0608	Coming here, support groups and everything,	1849.9928
1553		1850.4516	and uh, even without having a computer I still learned a lot about it.	1853.2939
1555		1853.8508	And uh, they gave me a opportunity to work here so when I took the job as adherence specialist	1857.7197
1557		1858.0996	I learned even more about it being- having access to a computer and everything I got- eventually got my own computer	1862.3295
1559		1862.9774	and um,	1863.6707
1561		1864.0577	did uh, HIV	1864.9856
1563		1865.2387	adherence specialist for like a couple of years,	1866.7934
1565		1867.4069	in two thousand six two thousand eight, then I got a job as a HIV counselor and tester.	1871.3360
1567		1871.6865	Did that from two thousand eight	1873.0278
1569		1873.4915	until- actually I just recently uh, switched over to community health worker a couple of months ago.	1878.4567
1570	DCB_int_01	1878.4461	Mm-hm.	1878.8207
1571	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1878.9790	And um,	1879.6080
1573		1880.6114	as a matter of fact my office here- over here was right over there, right-	1883.0648
1575		1883.2806	right out that door right there.	1884.3460
1577		1884.8602	And uh, I did that from two thousand eight and up until	1887.4686
1579		1888.3792	this year, two thousand fifteen, so nine, ten, eleven, twelve,	1891.2071
1581		1892.0185	nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, about seven years, you know.	1895.6097
1583		1896.1328	I did that for seven years so pretty much that's where I-	1898.5670
1585		1899.3016	where I am now. Um,	1900.7322
1587		1901.9324	You know s- when you say like growing up in my neighborhood, my neighborhood was-	1904.9955
1589		1905.2740	was	1905.6313
1591		1906.3108	it wa- it wa- it was the bomb, it was growing up in the area like nobody ever experienced	1910.4148
1593		1910.7759	what I- what I experienced ever be- ever- ever before.	1913.4066
1595		1913.8387	Because	1914.3054
1597		1914.8134	in my neighborhood, we were like a close knit neighborhood, everybody knew everybody.	1918.2271
1599		1918.7983	You know a- and everybody knew what everybody did, we knew who the dope fiends were, we knew who the- who the alcoholics were.	1924.0698
1601		1924.5113	We knew who was having sex with whoever- whoever's mom that wa- wasn't married and we know if people having affairs.	1930.0470
1603		1930.5174	We knew um,	1931.4494
1605		1932.1354	who was creeping around, we- we knew all about all kinds of incestual relation- incestuous- incestuous	1937.9398
1607		1938.2037	incest- cestuous relationship, I can't say the word.	1940.7099
1609		1941.3868	But anyway,	1941.9135
1611		1943.0047	we uh, we still- but we still kept stuff in the neighborhood.	1946.1254
1613		1946.4229	We knew who the drunks were, the winos, you know the- and it was a different- it was a distinction, you know.	1950.6095
1615		1950.9790	You had drunks, and then you had winos.	1952.5585
1617		1952.6690	You know.	1952.9690
1619		1953.3411	Even though wino gets drunk, but /you the-/ drunks were the ones that drank the alcohol the liquor the hard liquor [right?]	1957.7438
1620	DCB_int_01	1957.5035	[Mm.]	1957.8108
1621	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1958.0509	You know or the beer.	1958.8429
1623		1959.1983	But the winos were the ones that drank only wine,	1961.2772
1625		1961.4693	they didn't drink-	1961.9876
1627		1962.0884	they di-	1962.3813
1629		1962.6454	they drink a beer if there- /unintelligible/ if there was nothing else available but they really like the wine so we would watch	1967.3265
1631		1967.6816	the winos	1968.4589
1633		1969.0355	get their wine and bum their money	1970.7111
1635		1970.8311	you know and get their wine and wine was real cheap back then when it- in- back in the sixties.	1974.3899
1637		1974.8271	You know wine was real cheap you know you get like	1977.0954
1639		1977.3670	sixty five cent, seventy five cent	1978.8697
1641		1979.2614	bottle of wine.	1979.9624
1642	DCB_int_01	1980.0248	Mm.	1980.2937
1643	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	1980.4137	And they would get their wine they would drink- get drunk, they would go in the alley, /next thing you know/ we see 'em laying up against the wall but nobody bothered 'em nobody bo- and they didn't really have anything so nobody bothered nobody-	1988.2203
1645		1988.5226	nobody beat 'em up, you know anything like that uh,	1990.7586
1647		1992.2866	I mean there was one that got beat up his- we used to call him /RD-NAME-2/ he got beat up but	1995.8538
1649		1995.9882	we uh-	1996.6002
1651		1997.4188	everybody went to the barber shops you know got their hair cut so we knew where to go to get our hair cut,	2001.6678
1653		2002.0180	we knew where to go to the grocery store, we knew our moms and	2004.9419
1655		2005.3164	our f- we knew f- our families we had friends we knew their mom- their moms their dads,	2009.9732
1657		2010.5638	we pretty much had m- uh,	2012.4938
1659		2012.7579	most of the families we knew	2014.0062
1661		2014.3471	had a mother and father in the home	2015.6215
1663		2015.7633	you know.	2016.1340
1665		2016.5650	And it was not like it is today [you know like today]	2018.7662
1666	DCB_int_01	2017.8565	[Mm-hm.]	2018.3462
1667	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2019.0472	with all these single parent homes only a mom and only these mothers walking around with these babies,	2023.4256
1669		2023.7425	it wasn't like that.	2024.4483
1671		2024.5490	You know it was a d- it was a mom and a dad, you know.	2026.7224
1673		2027.0168	So we knew who- we knew people by their parents,	2029.2885
1675		2029.6907	we knew who their parents were we spoke, we were respectful, we knew- we learned	2032.8835
1677		2033.1908	how to respect thy elders you know it's different than it is today.	2035.8698
1679		2036.2683	You know we would say yes sir, no sir, yes ma'am, no ma'am,	2039.1670
1681		2039.4897	please, thank you, you're welcome, you know, may I do this, may I do that, you know, it wasn't like	2043.3565
1683		2043.5897	can I it was may I, you know.	2045.2557
1685		2045.6061	Uh, we knew how to get permission to do things	2047.5938
1687		2048.1170	uh, we knew right from wrong you know although we did a l-	2050.5433
1689		2050.8632	we did a lot of wrong but we paid for it, we were disciplined.	2053.1629
1690	DCB_int_01	2053.2154	Mm.	2053.4843
1691	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2053.5035	You know we got our whoopings we got w-	2055.0015
1693		2055.3039	I got three whoopings in one day,	2056.6771
1695		2056.7875	you know,	2057.2052
1697		2057.5509	from	2057.8093
1699		2058.1414	smart mouthing this girl down the street.	2059.6490
1701		2059.8025	You know she jacked me up	2060.9559
1703		2061.3533	you know and then when I got um, up the street,	2063.3074
1705		2063.6000	I got smart with my next door neighbor, she whooped my butt.	2065.6989
1707		2066.1542	Then my mother found out about it, she whooped my butt then my father came home he whooped my butt.	2069.3134
1709		2069.4476	You know so	2069.9613
1711		2070.3838	I got three whoopings in one day and jacked up.	2072.1219
1713		2072.2755	So I got like	2073.1061
1715		2073.7973	you know four disciplines, one day.	2075.3144
1717		2075.7705	But that's how we used to do, you know if you did something, you said something, disrespected somebody,	2079.5154
1719		2079.7697	you know	2080.1586
1721		2080.4706	you got disciplined for it you know, not like it is today people get disciplined now it's all of a sudden it's just child abuse you know.	2085.0461
1723		2085.6078	Um,	2086.0255
1725		2087.0431	pretty much it was a different age growing up w- where I grew up.	2089.3429
1727		2089.7366	Uh, had a- um-	2090.7619
1729		2091.5082	had girlfriends and everything pretty much.	2093.4093
1731		2093.7982	Uh,	2094.1916
1733		2094.3744	my problem was	2095.2241
1735		2095.3297	a lot of times	2096.1027
1737		2096.6836	the- the girlfriends were-	2098.0263
1739		2098.2438	they took a back seat to the drugs.	2099.5891
1741		2099.7321	You know.	2100.1295
1743		2100.5627	So uh,	2101.3054
1745		2101.4654	then uh, with the um,	2102.8001
1747		2103.5104	I remember this one girl that I	2104.8692
1749		2105.1332	used to- that used to like me,	2106.5111
1751		2106.9288	and I liked her too but uh, I- eventually she married this guy from Jamaica.	2110.2591
1753		2110.8896	And so	2111.5330
1755		2111.9026	one night she followed me home.	2113.1920
1757		2113.3716	You know and I kept telling her know that I didn't wanna-	2115.8922
1759		2116.3147	want her to be around me because I didn't want her to get in trouble and I didn't want her husband you know	2119.5376
1761		2119.8624	thinking that sh- I- that we were together, so	2121.8117
1763		2122.2966	she was saying that he had- you know he was abusive he had beaten her and everything and she said she had	2125.9023
1765		2126.0606	this machete that she was gonna kill him that night if he bothered- if he	2128.9413
1767		2129.2006	if he uh, hit- if he hit her.	2130.3179
1769		2131.1640	And so we went home	2132.1374
1771		2132.4795	went to my- my place and you know had sex and everything and then after that night	2135.4827
1773		2135.8726	I didn't see her anymore.	2136.6930
1775		2136.9091	You know, so	2137.7615
1777		2138.1714	find out like a couple months later	2139.8248
1779		2140.0723	you know they said,	2140.8176
1781		2141.3507	did you hear about /RD-NAME-2/? and I said uh,	2143.6918
1783		2143.8118	no, they said,	2144.6238
1785		2145.0662	they found her body,	2146.0728
1787		2146.4068	you know, in this- in- in the rooming house.	2148.3917
1789		2149.0035	In this house where she lived and sh- sh- he had-	2151.5527
1791		2151.8626	he had uh,	2152.4853
1793		2152.6030	boarded her	2153.2753
1795		2153.5154	up under-	2153.9636
1797		2154.0596	boarded her in up under the stairway.	2155.7084
1799		2156.3722	He had built uh, a wall around the st- the bottom of the back of the stairway.	2159.5217
1801		2159.9699	He built a wall around the back of the stairway and /hid/ her body inside there.	2163.2670
1803		2163.6311	And the neighbors smelled the scent and they said that's where her body was found.	2167.0111
1805		2167.4667	He had escaped to uh, New York-	2168.9411
1807		2169.0532	he had escaped to Jamaica.	2170.1977
1809		2170.7077	But he had came back to New York	2172.1010
1811		2172.2404	and he got k- stopped on a traffic violation.	2174.1008
1813		2174.4210	And they ran his prints.	2175.4983
1815		2176.0737	You know and they found out who he was- they knew who he was and that's how they caught him,	2179.1689
1817		2179.2930	you know for her- for her murder.	2180.3232
1819		2180.4353	You know.	2180.7900
1821		2181.3557	So [uh-]	2181.9520
1822	DCB_int_01	2181.8079	[Ooh.]	2182.2506
1823	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2182.4882	Yeah so this-	2183.1766
1825		2183.6048	you know then- then it was /?/	2184.7853
1827		2184.8711	a whole lot of stuff happened like the crack years you know I m-	2187.3020
1829		2187.6822	I remember seeing guys get killed, literally get their brains blown out right in front of me,	2191.0495
1831		2191.4257	you know, guy named /RD-NAME-2/ I remember his brains being laying on the curb you know cause that's- they	2195.5654
1833		2195.9891	told him not to sell drugs he was a /skreaky/ clean guy and they told him not to sell drugs he wanted to sell	2199.9918
1835		2200.2688	crack anyway.	2201.0430
1837		2201.5672	Uh, one day we heard some uh, stick out- stick up boys coming down the street	2205.0928
1839		2205.9550	and he said he wasn't going anywhere.	2207.2316
1841		2208.1858	He didn't go anywhere they came down somebody told 'em h- that he had the drugs cause they came and asked	2212.0916
1843		2212.3855	stick up boys /??/ who- who- who got it, you know?	2214.4842
1845		2214.9605	That's how they used to say, who got it, so if somebody pointed to /RD-NAME-2/ they went to /RD-NAME-2/ they said,	2218.4898
1847		2218.7978	give it up.	2219.2405
1849		2219.5421	And he said, I ain't giving you nothing, you know so	2221.2789
1851		2221.6689	they chased him around the car and eventually had to pull the gun out	2224.1260
1853		2224.5200	and said, you don't give it up then I'm'a shoot you, you know and he didn't give it up.	2227.3493
1855		2227.6752	And they shot him in the head and he fell to the curb and	2230.3579
1857		2231.0666	blew his brains out.	2231.8367
1859		2231.9968	And his brains are laying right on the curb til even when they came and got him his brains were still laying- laying there.	2235.7145
1861		2236.4926	You know.	2236.7927
1863		2237.3845	I mean guys like uh,	2238.7125
1865		2238.9773	I knew	2239.3695
1867		2239.8937	guy I grew up with he got shot four times	2241.8346
1869		2242.2286	right in front of my face you know got shot in the um-	2244.3375
1871		2245.4078	he got shot- first he got shot in the uh, forearm,	2247.3367
1873		2247.9125	then he got shot in the groin,	2249.1365
1875		2249.2891	then he got shot in the buttocks and when he got across the street,	2251.4621
1877		2251.8023	trying to get away from the guy the guy shot him in the back, that's when he fell.	2254.5850
1879		2255.0256	You know.	2255.3195
1881		2255.6916	So he died, I testified against the young guy, the young guy he	2258.4743
1883		2258.6428	he got off cause he's a /skreaky/ clean-	2260.0561
1885		2260.1355	squeaky clean looking guy, young guy.	2262.0701
1887		2262.5744	Ten women, two men, uh, they	2264.3544
1889		2264.5851	refuted my testimony cause they knew I was a drug addict they- they figured I was just	2267.8065
1891		2268.1222	there as a witness to get the money,	2269.3908
1893		2269.6429	so.	2269.9351
1895		2270.4953	There plus I used to run a lot of errands for the young guys go to the store for 'em, you know buy liquor for 'em in front of the liquor store if they couldn't buy.	2275.8185
1897		2276.2633	You know washing cars and stuff like that you know when I was on drugs real bad.	2279.0004
1899		2279.4728	So they refuted my testimony made it look like I was just you know somebody that	2282.9957
1901		2283.3159	was in it you know just to get the witness money you know and um,	2285.6092
1903		2286.4293	so they let- the guy got off, he got off of killing my friend.	2289.2695
1905		2289.6183	Eventually uh, some years later,	2291.4272
1907		2291.6513	even though	2292.1619
1909		2292.4957	I had testified against him he had got off he	2294.2685
1911		2294.5796	eventually was killed hisself in LeDroit Park.	2296.3725
1913		2296.5285	You know.	2296.8592
1915		2297.2689	Got his head b- head blown off, you know.	2298.8816
1917		2299.5820	So that's how- that's- that's the	2301.3428
1919		2301.5549	a- people were dying, they were dropping like flies back then.	2303.7960
1921		2304.3558	Eighty-	2305.0064
1923		2305.4403	eighty eight,	2306.0509
1925		2306.4207	eighty nine, ninety.	2307.9327
1927		2308.4154	You know,	2308.8767
1929		2309.1037	I don't know if you know but it was a- that was a- that was a real tumultuous years for like murders in the District, you know.	2313.8495
1931		2314.2656	That was like one of the highest	2315.8264
1933		2316.4964	uh, what do you call murder m- um-	2318.3533
1935		2318.8335	we had one of the highest murder rates you know those years in DC	2321.5503
1937		2321.7464	that we ha- had ever had cause people were	2323.2551
1939		2323.5673	dying so much from crack cocaine and turf wars and all that stuff so	2327.1507
1941		2327.8088	that's pretty much what we was going through.	2329.3535
1943		2329.4575	But uh,	2329.8962
1945		2330.4415	I say there were some good years growing up in the neighborhood like fifties, sixties	2333.7791
1947		2334.1032	were good,	2334.6795
1949		2334.8315	you know.	2335.3395
1951		2335.7915	Uh,	2336.4315
1953		2336.9441	close knit neighborhood.	2338.0486
1955		2338.3007	Knew everybody.	2339.1491
1957		2339.4750	Stuck together	2340.3337
1959		2340.5075	you know.	2340.9595
1961		2341.3359	Uh,	2341.8919
1963		2343.0046	had a lot of fun you know, but then those	2345.5846
1965		2345.9055	drug years took over	2347.0362
1967		2347.2021	from the late sixties	2348.5821
1969		2348.9424	into the seventies and eighties	2350.4031
1971		2350.5112	those were like the drug years, even into the nineties.	2352.8778
1973		2353.3765	You know with the crack cocaine,	2354.8767
1975		2354.9488	the late eighties, nineties was crack cocaine.	2356.7336
1977		2357.1378	That devastated a lot of people, that made a lot of m- uh, men into mice	2360.0551
1979		2360.1392	you know.	2360.5113
1981		2361.1392	So [uh,]	2361.9338
1982	DCB_int_01	2361.6434	[Mm.]	2362.0356
1983	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2363.0280	pretty much /yeah./	2364.1806
1985		2364.6448	You got some questions?	2365.3301
1986	DCB_int_01	2366.1690	A couple.	2366.6813
1988		2366.8734	I- <clears throat>	2367.8214
1990		2367.9178	have so many things I wanted to ask about.	2369.8243
1992		2370.1584	Thinking about the Civil Rights	2371.5871
1993	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2371.6191	Mm.	2371.9791
1994	DCB_int_01	2371.7071	[like] that time, cause I mean in DC like	2374.2643
1995		2374.6463	things were happening you had the march, you [had]	2376.8436
1996	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2376.5249	[Mm.]	2376.8142
1997	DCB_int_01	2377.1612	the speech then you had Dr. King assass- you had Kennedy,	2379.4465
1998	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2379.6041	Mm.	2379.8242
1999	DCB_int_01	2379.9843	how was the Civil- I mean I know you were young at [that] point you were [still]	2382.9349
2000	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2381.9349	Mm.	2382.1230
2002		2382.4432	Mm.	2382.6792
2003	DCB_int_01	2383.2173	little like a [little] kid.	2384.5842
2004	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2383.8918	[Mm.]	2384.1438
2006		2384.5441	Mm-hm.	2384.8923
2007	DCB_int_01	2385.1644	<clears throat> But what do you remember like, do you remember your dad and your mom talking about it? Do you remember like	2389.5218
2009		2389.6558	par- did you participate in the	2390.9044
2011		2391.1245	first march [like] what do you remember? How was the [city], the vibe?	2394.3990
2012	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2391.9146	[Mm.]	2392.1347
2014		2393.3233	[Um-]	2393.6206
2015		2395.2740	Well the vibe in the city was pretty much-	2396.9846
2017		2397.1268	uh, we- we still had-	2398.6551
2019		2399.1033	experienced repercussions from the South you know, segregation	2402.0724
2021		2402.4226	uh, from the fifties you know and even beyond uh, further back	2405.6091
2023		2405.8361	uh,	2406.2415
2025		2406.7201	early- earlier years segregation uh,	2408.8891
2027		2409.1892	uh,	2409.5292
2029		2410.1417	with uh,	2410.6230
2031		2411.3302	water fountains and bathrooms with black only, colored only,	2414.6731
2033		2414.9452	white only, those type well not black but colored only, white only.	2417.8091
2035		2418.3188	We uh, had travelled to the South back in the uh, l- uh, late fifties	2421.7901
2037		2422.7604	uh,	2423.2446
2039		2423.5207	early s- uh, late fifties we had drove my father down south and	2426.6114
2041		2426.9979	we remember uh, not-	2428.3025
2043		2428.4345	being turned away from uh,	2429.9652
2045		2430.5555	uh, restroom- rest area you know to use the bathroom and	2433.3862
2047		2433.7125	we had to use the bathroom in the field,	2435.0472
2049		2435.3790	uh,	2435.7884
2051		2436.5316	uh, s- they still had those colored only uh,	2438.5365
2053		2438.9207	water fountains.	2439.6930
2055		2440.2008	Uh,	2440.6490
2057		2441.2213	then uh,	2441.7986
2059		2442.4538	we- we saw on television in the si- sixties when	2445.5235
2061		2445.8229	um,	2446.2752
2063		2446.8674	people were hosed and dogs were sicked on people, we saw that.	2450.4354
2065		2450.8368	We knew Medgar Evers was like a civil rights activist, we knew he had been killed.	2454.5446
2067		2454.9703	Uh, we knew that uh,	2455.9507
2069		2456.0307	uh,	2456.3734
2071		2456.6150	The Ku Klux Klan had been uh, fire bombing people's homes.	2459.6977
2073		2460.1406	You know we knew that um,	2461.8580
2075		2462.8454	/look at the- the/	2463.8059
2077		2463.9637	black- the um, black Muslims you know Muha- Elijah Muhammed and the Nation of Islam, they	2467.9384
2079		2468.2572	had uh, talked about white men being devils you know so we pretty much	2471.4787
2081		2471.8709	uh, had the mentality that you know uh,	2474.1841
2083		2474.5437	the white man was evil, the white man was the devil you know and we didn't trust white people.	2478.6250
2085		2479.0413	Um,	2479.5026
2087		2479.9617	I saw for myself nineteen fifty four-	2482.0787
2089		2482.3668	I mean nineteen fifty eight	2483.2802
2091		2483.6590	when I was four years old, living on V Street, before we moved on W Street.	2486.8299
2093		2487.1606	seeing uh, a white couple coming down the street with a-	2489.3274
2094	DCB_int_01	2491.9921	I'm sorry.	2492.9161
2095	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2496.6058	white couple coming down the street with a uh,	2498.3471
2097		2499.7032	just married sign on the back of their uh, orange and uh,	2502.5125
2099		2502.7562	white Chevrolet.	2503.6486
2101		2504.3489	They uh,	2505.1116
2103		2505.8696	stopped at a corner down the street where a lady named /RD-NAME-2/ lived with her dad and	2509.3541
2105		2509.6149	she was sweeping the front and	2510.8256
2107		2511.1334	they asked her for uh, she could- they could get some water	2513.5866
2109		2513.8266	to drink	2514.1906
2111		2514.7088	and her dad came out and asked what w- what did they want,	2517.4518
2113		2518.0361	she told him uh, dad they said they want some water, you know.	2521.0215
2115		2522.2976	They just got married and they uh, they want some water before- you know,	2524.8988
2117		2525.2070	before they go on their way.	2526.1194
2119		2526.3790	So he said, well wait right here I'll get you some water. And he went in the house and when he came back out he had a bucket, he had a- he had a pale of water and he dumped it on 'em,	2532.8976
2121		2533.4539	and soaked 'em with the water and said like, get the hell off my property, you know.	2536.7994
2123		2537.2151	So,	2537.6113
2125		2537.7914	that was my first	2538.6638
2127		2538.8479	experience with	2539.6763
2129		2540.0164	you know,	2540.4326
2131		2540.9329	racial- racial tension you know, seeing that happen	2543.6089
2133		2543.9058	when I was four years old.	2544.8484
2135		2545.2864	And then I was- r- I remember when I was about uh, six	2547.9236
2137		2548.5034	uh,	2548.9461
2139		2549.1877	I was in like the first grade, went on a field trip.	2551.5568
2141		2552.0571	We went on a field trip- no it was second, I'm sorry,	2553.8775
2143		2554.0438	Uh, when I was uh,	2555.1363
2145		2555.2559	when I was seven,	2555.9612
2147		2556.3123	second grade we went on a field trip and I remember um,	2558.8774
2149		2559.7699	the little- little class of white kids and we were a class of black kids and there wa-	2563.0150
2151		2563.1991	a little- little boy in the uh, white class	2565.1320
2153		2565.9941	looked over and said- said to his teacher he says, look Miss-	2568.6354
2155		2568.7630	Miss Johnson, or whatever her name was.	2570.5638
2157		2571.1721	A whole class of niggers.	2572.7408
2159		2572.9627	You know.	2573.4027
2161		2574.2232	And she didn't say anything, you know. She didn't say, watch your mouth, or anything it was just like,	2578.2401
2163		2578.6408	you know, come on guys, let's go- let's go over here.	2580.5337
2165		2580.9379	Well-	2581.4021
2167		2581.5239	but really	2582.0642
2169		2582.3323	that to me was like,	2583.4688
2171		2584.4030	he just called us a whole class of niggers you know, and that's-	2587.0042
2173		2587.4040	that was another experience with racism so-	2589.3186
2175		2591.0056	We knew that uh,	2592.6030
2177		2592.9140	that there was racial- racial tension in- in America.	2595.4018
2179		2595.8314	You know we knew that	2597.1421
2181		2597.2360	blacks had for so long been	2598.6560
2183		2599.0124	uh, what do you call it?	2599.9008
2185		2600.2530	rele- uh,	2600.8653
2187		2601.1214	uh,	2601.6976
2189		2602.9017	in other words	2603.5457
2191		2603.6741	looked upon as like, less than human.	2605.7848
2193		2606.1272	We knew that um,	2607.3579
2195		2607.8138	we- we- we were the struggle.	2609.7778
2197		2610.4110	And we knew that	2611.1416
2199		2611.6191	uh, despite the struggle, we were a strong people.	2613.8469
2201		2614.0202	You know,	2614.3683
2203		2614.8005	and uh, James Brown	2616.5974
2205		2616.6890	w- uh, in the sixties when	2617.8095
2207		2618.1336	he made records like Say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud.	2620.4405
2209		2620.7206	Those are the things that really fueled us and gave us you know,	2623.1497
2211		2623.5299	uh, the incentive and the initiative to like have pride in ourselves.	2626.7712
2212	DCB_int_01	2626.8687	[Right.] (whispered)	2627.4594
2213	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2627.1769	[You know] uh,	2627.9132
2214		2628.7496	I don't want- I don't want nobody giving me nothing, open up the door, I'll get it myself, you know, so James Brown was really	2633.6159
2216		2633.9636	uh, uh,	2634.5558
2218		2634.7359	instrumental	2635.3482
2220		2635.6964	in giving us a lot of motivation, a lot of hope.	2637.6493
2222		2638.0450	You know.	2638.3703
2224		2638.6973	Uh,	2639.2280
2226		2639.3776	people like uh,	2640.2016
2228		2640.3741	H. Rap Brown,	2641.3985
2230		2641.7907	um,	2642.3030
2232		2642.5351	Marion Barry, Stokely Carmichael.	2644.6946
2234		2644.9940	Uh,	2645.5060
2236		2645.6383	they gave us hope.	2646.3316
2238		2646.6623	I wasn't really into the Black Panther movement, I wasn't into the-	2649.2595
2240		2649.5436	I never believed in like, that radical type	2651.4370
2242		2651.5806	approach.	2652.1299
2244		2652.2844	You know.	2652.6446
2246		2652.9567	I was more so like with a passive activism-	2655.0497
2248		2655.1858	activist approach like King had,	2656.6184
2250		2656.9181	you know because I believe that you could also	2658.8590
2252		2659.2992	by, you know, uh,	2660.2432
2254		2660.4237	psychologically bring about change	2662.1383
2256		2662.4064	without having to use violence, you know.	2664.0152
2258		2664.3268	Although	2664.8575
2260		2665.1152	Malcolm X was more so- they were more so radical	2667.3322
2262		2667.6621	but even Malcolm X found out for himself that he was being betrayed by the Nation of Islam.	2671.1829
2264		2671.4657	You know.	2671.8058
2265	DCB_int_01	2671.8378	[Mm-hm.]	2672.4619
2266	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2672.1580	[Yeah uh], and the fact that Elijah Muhammed	2674.1380
2267		2674.4626	you know was uh- actually had sex with so many girls and had-	2676.7717
2269		2677.0798	had	2677.3051
2271		2677.5880	fathered so many children but yet wasn't even	2679.3849
2273		2679.4929	taking care of his responsibilities so	2681.0897
2275		2681.4414	those types of things I f- I learned when I was younger, you know.	2684.0066
2277		2684.4027	I knew that um,	2685.2441
2279		2685.6909	I- I used to-	2686.2669
2281		2686.7914	I used to look at uh, people like W.E.B. Du Bois and I really found out that he-	2689.7648
2283		2689.8666	he had-	2690.2186
2285		2690.5149	he had some ideologies that I don't- I don't agree with now	2692.9000
2287		2692.9960	you know.	2693.3482
2289		2693.7239	Uh,	2694.0480
2291		2694.3162	even-	2694.7402
2293		2694.9685	even now	2695.5687
2295		2695.8449	me growing up	2696.5212
2297		2697.6177	always believed in individual responsibility, you know.	2699.8267
2299		2700.2384	Entrepreneurship, you know.	2701.5871
2301		2701.9232	Work hard,	2702.5475
2303		2702.7356	you know uh, if you want anything	2704.1823
2305		2704.4960	like my father you know you- you- you work hard you get it you know, you attain it.	2707.9833
2307		2708.4636	You strive for it, I didn't believe in so much	2710.5609
2309		2711.1466	uh,	2711.4532
2311		2711.6668	affirmative action in terms of like you know, using it	2713.8638
2313		2714.1937	as a tool to say that	2715.7545
2315		2716.0506	blacks should get opportunity above someone else that's- that's	2718.5895
2317		2718.7696	just as well qualified, you know.	2720.2696
2319		2720.6500	I believe in more equal op- opportunity,	2722.3148
2321		2722.4269	you know.	2722.7855
2323		2723.1392	So basically I knew about the Civil Rights struggle.	2725.2032
2325		2725.6519	And I knew that King had- had-	2727.3247
2327		2727.5808	had- had a dream,	2728.6013
2329		2729.0335	had a goal that you know,	2730.3521
2331		2730.7258	we could all live together as one,	2732.1728
2333		2732.3105	you know.	2732.6747
2335		2733.9450	And even today you know I- I really- it really disheartens me to see how so many black people have pretty much uh- uh- uh- uh,	2740.2075
2337		2740.3035	tainted and distorted that dream.	2741.9523
2339		2742.2604	You know,	2742.6126
2341		2742.9367	by taking for granted you know, the freedoms that we have,	2745.7034
2343		2746.1297	you know, even to the point of like not even	2748.3268
2345		2748.6464	recognizing that	2749.5509
2347		2750.0231	you know the fact that w- they have taken so much for granted	2752.4282
2349		2752.5843	in terms of like you know jobs and opportunity that we've had that have been presented to us	2756.4403
2351		2756.7875	that we have not taken advantage of as black- as a people.	2759.1502
2353		2759.4367	We have not stuck together, we have not been cohesive, you know we-	2762.0099
2355		2762.3096	we're- we're distant, we're- we're um,	2764.0549
2357		2764.4506	we're divisive, you know.	2765.5831
2359		2765.9393	We- we tend to hate one another,	2767.6921
2361		2767.9518	which- for no- for no reason.	2769.4864
2363		2769.6766	You know.	2770.0032
2365		2770.3449	But it's a- it's a- it is a reason. It's a re- the reason is because we been pitted against each other.	2773.9969
2367		2774.3142	Well they talk about like Willie Lynch syndrome.	2776.2302
2369		2776.4872	You know talking about how	2777.5953
2371		2777.9034	uh,	2778.1808
2373		2778.2796	Willie Lynch you know was when somebody came from the s-	2780.2045
2375		2780.5327	from the uh, it's like the- the islands, the Indie- West Indies the-	2783.6540
2377		2783.8977	told the slave owners about, hey, you know,	2785.7306
2379		2786.2989	don't	2786.6110
2381		2786.7591	beat your slaves to death, you know, don't- don't-	2788.6271
2383		2788.9796	don't destroy what you uh,	2790.6284
2385		2790.7627	what you- what makes your money.	2791.9552
2387		2792.1109	You know.	2792.4510
2389		2792.8072	In other words pit the young against the old and	2794.6400
2391		2794.9482	the dark against the light skin you know the-	2796.7645
2393		2797.0847	the weaker one against the stronger one and you do that,	2799.1176
2395		2799.3097	says,	2799.7404
2397		2799.9460	they'll always be uh-	2801.1986
2399		2801.4245	beholden to you.	2802.2231
2401		2802.6690	[You know.]	2803.0024
2402	DCB_int_01	2802.7571	[Mm-hm.]	2803.1130
2403	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2803.3774	So we- we pretty much fall into that mentality where we have	2807.0244
2405		2807.3005	hatred towards the light skinned brother,	2808.9658
2407		2809.2334	you know hatred towards the- the- the- the black sister you know.	2811.9586
2409		2812.2983	Hatred towards someone	2813.4469
2411		2813.7350	who's less fortunate than ourselves or someone who's better-	2816.0241
2413		2816.2322	who seems to be more affluent than ourselves.	2818.0010
2415		2818.3847	So	2818.6634
2417		2819.0850	we- we let- we let these things divide us and it cause us to like	2822.8147
2419		2823.2550	uh,	2823.7192
2421		2823.9028	you know it- these- we like to think there's still hatred in us	2826.2519
2423		2826.4440	towards one another	2827.3040
2425		2827.6205	where we	2828.3752
2427		2828.8326	had watched other uh,	2830.3853
2429		2830.5694	/ethnicicy-/ ethnicities and	2832.0581
2431		2832.3782	you know groups of people	2833.2729
2433		2833.4863	you know strive together and grow together and bond together	2835.8662
2435		2836.0875	you know while we once /??/ uh,	2837.8483
2437		2838.1502	you know,	2838.5129
2439		2838.7665	imploding or either like exploding	2840.7154
2441		2840.9995	you know tearing each other apart.	2842.0880
2443		2842.4077	You know.	2842.7159
2445		2843.1881	So,	2843.5214
2447		2844.6448	We've taken our eyes off the prize.	2846.3113
2448	DCB_int_01	2846.4531	[Mm.]	2846.6852
2449	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2846.4594	[You know] /and you/ talking about eyes on the prize but you know that documentary about King? We taking our eyes off the prize you know and we pretty much let-	2852.2471
2450		2852.5377	let uh, let a lot of thing- even technology	2854.8506
2452		2854.9904	you know, separate us, you know.	2856.3190
2454		2856.7192	Just because people have access to cell phones and	2859.1483
2456		2859.4862	you know	2859.8409
2458		2859.9104	computers and	2860.7864
2460		2861.1030	uh, laptops uh, w- and- and- and iPads and	2863.9318
2462		2864.3760	you know what have you um-	2865.8687
2464		2866.8612	They cannot- okay and	2867.9355
2466		2868.0995	cable TV	2868.9382
2468		2869.3961	uh,	2869.7803
2470		2869.9004	and	2870.4526
2472		2870.6087	you cannot	2871.2410
2474		2871.4006	for a m- for a minute become complacent	2873.0534
2476		2873.3375	and feel that you know you	2874.4975
2478		2874.8542	uh, should let those things be	2876.4910
2480		2877.0468	you know,	2877.5270
2482		2877.9912	your driving force of you know, empowerment, those are not.	2880.5885
2484		2880.7525	They're not. You know, in other words those are just	2882.4773
2486		2882.7649	/to/ we're- we	2883.7089
2488		2883.9695	are consumers rather than manufacturers, you know.	2886.5547
2489	DCB_int_01	2886.5822	Mm-hm.	2886.9784
2490	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2886.9824	We don't- we don't- we don't- we- we don't- we don't manufacture anything as- as a group of people.	2891.1544
2492		2891.4342	You know.	2891.7596
2494		2891.9465	We're u- we- we're consumers, we're using a lot of things but we're not	2895.0585
2496		2895.4597	uh,	2895.9703
2498		2896.4721	encouraging our children to become engineers, scientists, you know.	2899.5215
2500		2899.8732	Uh,	2900.3199
2502		2900.5375	you know, physicists, you know we're not	2902.0302
2504		2902.2663	encouraging	2902.9547
2506		2903.1507	our group- race of people	2904.5274
2508		2904.8413	to be- to strive to be better than they are.	2906.6541
2509	DCB_int_01	2906.8866	Right	2907.0920
2510	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2907.0481	Plus	2907.3722
2511		2907.4643	the fact that the drugs	2908.6848
2513		2909.1611	you know	2909.4612
2515		2909.8454	have devastated us as a p- as a people too.	2911.5742
2517		2911.6938	You know.	2912.0298
2519		2912.6262	We're not blaming, I'm not blaming any one particular	2915.2212
2521		2915.5373	you know, thing	2916.1813
2523		2916.4297	or entity on	2917.3301
2525		2917.5022	our failure as a people.	2918.8428
2527		2919.2106	But I'm saying that we as a people	2921.3636
2529		2921.7317	have been a failure	2922.7122
2531		2922.9803	amongst ourselves and to ourselves because	2925.0775
2533		2925.4450	of our lack of	2926.2614
2535		2926.6535	recognizing	2927.3322
2537		2927.8341	what these things are that we've allowed to	2930.1552
2539		2930.4548	creep into our society and our culture	2932.2997
2541		2932.5878	that have you know caused us to become	2934.3526
2543		2934.7123	you know a weak-	2935.4967
2545		2935.6008	a weak people.	2936.1781
2547		2936.5132	You [know so,]	2937.1572
2548	DCB_int_01	2936.6692	[Hm.]	2937.0974
2549	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2937.7097	you know all- I'm- I'm cognizant of the Civil Rights Movement,	2940.1669
2551		2940.2705	you know	2940.6105
2552	DCB_int_01	2940.6106	Mm-hm.	2941.0108
2553	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2941.0108	but	2941.3255
2554		2941.8512	I don't think the benefits	2943.0995
2556		2943.2758	of it	2943.6278
2558		2944.8023	you know have been	2945.6947
2560		2946.0389	long sustaining.	2946.8513
2562		2946.9811	You know because of what we've allowed,	2949.1141
2564		2949.4822	you know, ourselves to become.	2950.5022
2566		2951.0945	You know.	2951.3705
2567	DCB_int_01	2951.3146	Mm-hm.	2951.6508
2568	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2951.9949	And so that's-	2952.6083
2570		2952.9634	that's the way- that's my take on it.	2954.0527
2571	DCB_int_01	2954.7700	So let me ask you I wanna	2956.1513
2573		2956.3707	<clears throat> shift gears for a few minutes um,	2958.8507
2574	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2958.9976	Mm.	2959.2303
2575	DCB_int_01	2959.4042	let's-	2959.7122
2577		2959.9239	oh,	2960.1719
2579		2960.3441	two-	2960.5962
2581		2960.8123	two questions. One, you talked a lot about James Brown and [his] music,	2964.6939
2582	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2963.9707	[Mm.]	2964.2407
2583	DCB_int_01	2965.1059	but one music that's very	2967.0628
2585		2967.3509	unique to DC is go go.	2969.0637
2586	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2969.0752	[Mm-hm.]	2969.4434
2587	DCB_int_01	2969.3354	[Did] you get into go go at all, did you- do you like it, do you listen to it?	2973.4813
2588	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	2973.7094	Uh, I- I did, actually uh,	2975.6040
2590		2975.7859	I-	2976.1380
2592		2976.4702	part of my life was pretty much	2977.7308
2594		2978.0789	uh, playing music myself, you know, when I was twelve years old I got a guitar.	2981.0941
2596		2981.5383	Uh,	2982.0130
2598		2982.3462	I used to watch a old sitcom on TV called uh,	2985.2275
2600		2985.6838	the- uh, Ozzie and Harriet.	2986.9523
2602		2987.3205	You know. I don't know if you knew about that.	2988.6127
2604		2989.0248	Ozzie and Harriet was a sitcom and they had two sons, they had Ricky and David.	2991.8633
2606		2992.2663	And Ricky was uh- Ricky played the guitar and he used to wear a sport coat.	2995.0632
2608		2995.4674	And when I s-	2995.9916
2610		2996.1157	I saw Ricky wearing that sport coat playing the guitar, like toward the end of the show,	2999.4090
2612		3000.2491	I really uh- and plus I knew about Elvis Presley too.	3002.6942
2614		3003.1785	So I really wanted to be uh, a rock star, I wanted to be you know a rock and roller, I wanted to learn how to play guitar.	3008.0705
2616		3008.7481	So I told my mom I wanted to play guitar and I was telling my buddies and I had a friend that played guitar but he was-	3013.1561
2618		3013.4979	started when he was like about three years old he had got a guitar and then- then	3016.4036
2620		3016.7954	we were in school and	3017.6718
2622		3018.1680	teacher asked us what our hobbies were and	3019.9412
2624		3020.3125	I didn't- couldn't think of a hobby.	3021.7824
2626		3021.9333	I did have a hobby, cause I used to collect comic books but I thought that was like-	3024.7426
2628		3025.1743	I thought they would laugh at me if I say I collect comic books.	3027.2023
2630		3027.6595	So I saw that he said he played guitar so I put it on my paper too, I play guitar.	3030.8169
2632		3031.2407	Teacher said, oh both of you- when she saw our papers she said, both of y'all play guitar, so she said-	3035.3418
2634		3035.6503	she said um,	3036.6347
2636		3037.1670	where do y'all- where do you play guitar? So then all of a sudden	3039.6000
2638		3039.7361	I just said, well he- he show- he's showing me how to play.	3042.1208
2640		3042.2689	He's teaching me how to play.	3043.1569
2642		3043.7175	So he look at me like, I'm te- I'm-	3045.0789
2644		3045.2742	what? You know and	3046.3948
2646		3047.0026	w- you know, he didn't know about it but eventually I said, can you teach me how to play?	3050.2383
2648		3051.0622	So he said, yeah I- I'll show you something when I get a chance, so-	3053.5581
2650		3053.6834	/and/ I-	3054.2448
2652		3054.4153	it kind of sparked my desire to wanna play guitar,	3056.2322
2654		3056.6003	got a guitar in nineteen sixty six when I was twelve, my father bought it for me and I-	3060.7818
2656		3061.4621	as- w- after getting one my mom said they couldn't afford it but I got one anyway.	3064.4941
2658		3065.1113	Started uh, learning how to play guitar from people and then teaching myself some things and	3068.4849
2660		3068.9011	Played guitar for some years and eventually	3071.4058
2662		3071.8660	um,	3072.3822
2664		3073.2907	and nineteen sixty six into nineteen uh,	3076.2827
2666		3076.9919	wanna say nineteen seventy-	3078.9239
2668		3080.0333	seventy four	3080.9333
2670		3081.0653	um, I was playing guitar, playing with bands and everything.	3084.0307
2672		3084.3989	Was with a band before there was a Trouble Funk I was with a band- band called Trouble.	3088.0641
2674		3088.5003	You know.	3088.8390
2676		3089.1166	So that's when the Trouble Funk was coming that was when the go go era was really starting because they had groups like	3093.0957
2678		3093.4982	um,	3093.9184
2680		3094.3385	Trouble Funk,	3095.0229
2682		3095.2750	Rare Essence,	3096.0389
2684		3096.4631	uh, EU. Matter of fact Experience Unlimited, EU,	3099.2389
2686		3099.6365	uh, the drummer- first drummer that we had when I was- started playing guitar was a guy named /RD-NAME-4/,	3104.2022
2688		3104.5343	he was EU's first drummer.	3105.9070
2690		3106.2631	You know.	3106.6285
2692		3106.9870	So we knew about the go go and everything coming in and uh, /RD-NAME-4/ actually just died um-	3111.6252
2694		3112.5011	just died year before last, you know he worked at a hospital center he got overcome by some fumes	3116.4531
2696		3116.7951	year before last back in uh, think it was back in-	3118.9031
2698		3119.9601	it was November, December, year before last and he- and he died so he died about f- about fifty-eight years old.	3125.3887
2700		3125.9144	He uh-	3126.3946
2702		3126.6627	he was EU's first drummer, he was a- he was a- he was a bad drummer.	3129.5676
2704		3130.0821	One of the best drummers you could see in DC.	3131.7498
2706		3132.1426	And we knew about- we knew about Chuck Brown, we knew about the Soul Searchers.	3135.6064
2708		3136.0164	We were familiar with- it w- before was the s- uh, Soul Searchers- I mean before it was Chuck Brown it was the Soul Searchers [it was- then it became] Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers, right?	3143.4859
2709	DCB_int_01	3141.1578	[Mm.]	3141.4687
2710	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3143.9791	And um,	3144.5858
2712		3145.1957	we knew about groups called- back in the day there used to be groups called uh, the Epsilons, the El Corals,	3149.7636
2714		3150.1695	You know, it was a number of different bands, Backyard Band, Junk Yard Band, they came later on.	3153.7055
2716		3154.1571	Uh,	3154.5985
2718		3155.0171	we knew about uh, also uh,	3157.0102
2720		3158.0265	there was another-	3159.4211
2722		3160.3591	there was another group, there was a guy named Vaughan Mason he did a v- he did a song called Rock Roll Bounce Skate,	3164.7291
2724		3164.8683	uh, uh, p- co produced by Van McCoy.	3166.9882
2726		3167.3947	You know.	3167.7547
2728		3168.0333	Van McCoy, he's dead now but uh, Rock Roll Bounce Skate it's called, Rock boom boom b- b- boom boom boom boom boom, roll dun dun,	3173.9877
2730		3174.2693	/?/ dun dun dun dun,	3175.3440
2732		3175.5367	bounce, you know but anyway,	3176.7420
2734		3177.0785	they did a record it was probably back in uh,	3178.8918
2736		3178.9893	back in the	3179.4338
2738		3179.6767	e- eighties I believe.	3180.5736
2740		3181.6669	He was our manager at one time, so I knew about go go.	3183.9979
2742		3184.1237	Yeah go go- go go was pretty much- I- I was down with it but I-	3187.1504
2744		3187.2643	I-	3187.4443
2746		3187.6348	I- I don't like what it's e-	3188.7948
2748		3189.0874	it's- it's evolved and become.	3190.6912
2749	DCB_int_01	3190.7949	Mm-hm.	3191.3214
2750	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3191.4091	I like it in it's raw form you know, what it was.	3193.8754
2752		3194.2559	Eventually- especially what Chuck	3195.6053
2754		3195.7086	you know godfather of go go,	3197.1459
2756		3197.6926	what he made go go to be you know, that's what go go- I really-	3200.8283
2758		3201.1598	But- but it's- it's- it's- it's-	3202.4822
2760		3202.6479	it's kind of like gotten uh- gotten stale	3204.5932
2762		3205.0804	in that it's um,	3206.1187
2764		3207.2558	it's- it's- it hasn't had it's /longetivity/ like some- some	3210.1568
2766		3210.2976	genres of music.	3211.1994
2768		3211.4383	You [know.]	3211.7600
2769	DCB_int_01	3211.7064	[Mm-hm.]	3212.1841
2770	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3212.5253	I don't know.	3212.8520
2771	DCB_int_01	3213.3686	Um, [what about]	3214.3766
2772	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3213.9598	[People-]	3214.2585
2773	DCB_int_01	3214.7105	mumbo sauce?	3215.7391
2774	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3215.9438	Mumbo sauce, what about it?	3216.8798
2775	DCB_int_01	3217.4208	Do you eat it?	3218.0408
2776	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3218.4264	Yeah I eat mumbo sauce, yeah. Mumbo sauce uh,	3220.8453
2778		3221.3317	popular in the-	3222.4090
2780		3222.7125	back in the sixties too uh, you might not be familiar with Wings-N- with Wings-N-Things.	3227.1924
2782		3227.9479	Wings-N-Things, Wings N' More Wings, used to be a place called Wings and- Wings and Things in DC.	3231.7613
2783	DCB_int_01	3232.1610	Hm.	3232.4973
2784	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3232.5363	And that was- that was the-	3234.0134
2786		3234.1645	That was the Popeyes of the sixties, you know.	3236.3984
2788		3237.0516	Yeah.	3237.3436
2790		3237.4708	Pretty much, you know.	3238.2828
2792		3238.6651	Uh,	3239.1425
2794		3239.6742	back in the sixties you know we had places like um,	3242.1111
2796		3242.7107	Hot Shoppes Jr. Hot Shoppes- Hot Shoppes Jr. used to- that later became	3246.5324
2798		3246.9468	um,	3247.6734
2800		3249.6438	I believe it later became uh, places like Kentucky Fried Chicken.	3252.8059
2801	DCB_int_01	3252.9209	Mm.	3253.2449
2802	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3253.3499	You know I'm not really sure but Hot Shoppes Jr. was-	3255.2032
2804		3255.7044	was a- was a little restaurant type place we used to go to we used to get our lunch and everything.	3259.7084
2806		3260.1368	Then they had K- Kentucky Fried Chicken but the- back then it was-	3262.8114
2808		3263.1396	it wasn't KFC it was Kentucky Fried Chicken.	3264.9007
2810		3265.0030	You know.	3265.3750
2812		3265.7440	Then they had Wings-N-Things.	3266.9737
2814		3267.0615	Wings-N-Things was where everybody went.	3268.6641
2816		3269.0308	DC they went to- up U Street, you know U Street was the quarter where people went to	3272.8477
2818		3273.1938	the Lincoln, the Republic, and the Booker T.	3274.7713
2820		3274.9500	You know later on in later years	3276.6269
2822		3276.8950	after the riots Booker T was no longer,	3278.7103
2824		3278.9326	then the Republic	3279.6700
2826		3280.0649	stood for a while, then all of a sudden those are- these aren't there anymore there's only the Lincoln, you know.	3284.2092
2828		3284.7362	Well we used to go to Lincoln, Republic, Booker T, whichever we wanted to g- go- whichever one we wanted to go to whichever had the movie that we wanted to see.	3290.9465
2830		3291.3134	Then they had places like the Howard Theatre,	3292.9952
2832		3293.3462	with the shows used to go and we all- you know, James Brown,	3295.9951
2834		3296.3308	Gene Chandler,	3297.2424
2836		3297.3447	uh, Marvelettes, Temptations	3298.8900
2838		3299.2702	you know you name it. Y- any big name that you could think of	3301.8247
2840		3302.1459	came to the Howard Theatre you know so uh, basically we used to go to Howard Theatre	3305.0159
2842		3305.2803	Jewel- Ja- uh, Jewel Box Revue.	3307.0449
2844		3307.4885	Um,	3307.9512
2846		3308.3770	uh, lot of people-	3309.1384
2848		3309.3958	lot of groups came through the Howard.	3310.4439
2850		3310.6925	Uh,	3311.0685
2852		3312.0233	/we- we-/ went to places like on Seventh Street, Alamo Theater, you know that was another place /you had/ ro- roach infested.	3317.1315
2854		3317.4191	You know co- big cockroaches as big as your hand.	3318.9938
2856		3319.4860	Um,	3319.8393
2858		3320.7011	So yeah we had a lot of fun you know I mean DC- uh, like I say	3323.8331
2860		3324.1329	it's changed over the years we used to have a lot of time, we used to- we used to go to the movies, movies was like t- a quarter	3328.2910
2862		3328.5360	or fifty cent.	3329.1120
2864		3329.4671	But we would go into the movie house and then we open the side door and let our friends in.	3332.3445
2866		3333.3584	You can't do that anymore, you can't go into the theater like that you know.	3335.4838
2868		3335.7178	We could go to a movie and watch a movie	3337.5629
2870		3337.8006	over and over again.	3338.5854
2872		3338.6683	You know you could stay in the movie and watch it seven times if you want to.	3340.9106
2874		3341.3006	You know now, you- you go in the movie once	3342.9336
2876		3343.1251	you out of there, you know.	3344.1131
2878		3344.9092	So it was a different world.	3345.8065
2879	DCB_int_01	3346.0645	It's a different-	3346.7005
2881		3347.1077	um, last thing do you- when you say the city is changing what-	3350.5895
2883		3350.9844	what does that mean to you? Like when you look at DC	3353.6777
2885		3354.0860	and think about	3354.7953
2887		3355.6069	fifty years ago and where you see now, what do you- what- what does it mean to you when you say the city is changing?	3360.5438
2888	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3360.7071	Uh, city's changing uh, gentrification.	3362.5888
2890		3362.8130	You know.	3363.1437
2892		3363.6417	It's not Chocolate City,	3364.6312
2894		3364.7824	it's- it's-	3365.2304
2896		3366.1632	it's- it's /vanillawill-/ vanillaville.	3367.9279
2898		3368.0351	You know.	3368.3724
2900		3368.5031	That's what I call now, vanillaville, you know because now	3371.2196
2902		3371.5998	all the whites that moved back in, you know uh, upper scale whites you know with the- with- you know	3375.8799
2904		3376.2614	the- the income disparities you know between blacks and whites it's- it's- it's such- so- so- so far apart	3381.3518
2906		3381.7564	you know in terms of low income to h- to- to hi- medium high income.	3385.4866
2908		3385.9159	Um,	3386.4079
2910		3387.3637	the accommodations for whites is greater you know, more condos you know more- more living-	3391.7851
2912		3392.1160	living uh- uh- uh, conditions and better living experience	3395.2114
2914		3395.5137	you know because of their incomes.	3396.8070
2916		3397.1711	Uh,	3397.5617
2918		3398.0241	more accommodations for- for- th- for- for night life	3401.2769
2920		3401.5840	for whites you know although blacks do participate.	3403.7600
2922		3404.1543	Blacks do involve themselves in it.	3405.8360
2924		3406.1090	Still,	3406.6717
2926		3406.9864	there's more diversity but at the same time there's-	3409.6825
2928		3410.0703	there are more whites you know	3411.6890
2930		3411.8301	taking advantage of the- of the	3413.2274
2932		3413.9227	opportunities here and the fun here	3415.9270
2934		3416.2284	than there are blacks, you [know.]	3417.7804
2935	DCB_int_01	3417.5769	[Mm-hm.]	3418.0622
2936	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3417.9669	[So] I mean there is disparities still, you know.	3420.1117
2937		3420.4153	So now it's no longer chocolate city it's not the sleepy town it used to be, it used to be a s-	3423.6911
2939		3423.9787	sleepy /t-/ sleepy town at night time,	3425.9546
2941		3426.3199	on U Street or any- uh, other quarters of the city	3429.1228
2943		3429.4640	you know, eleven thirty, twelve thirty at night, one o'clock at night, one o'clock in the morning,	3433.5308
2945		3433.8721	you know two o'clock in the morning streets would be like hey.	3436.2029
2947		3436.5855	Relatively you know	3437.7148
2949		3437.9114	empty you know.	3438.6594
2951		3439.1070	But now because of like, development	3440.9643
2953		3441.1885	you know and	3441.7672
2955		3442.1147	productivity and	3443.0920
2957		3443.5527	you know more bars,	3444.8104
2959		3445.3285	more clubs,	3446.2546
2961		3446.4253	you know more night spots,	3447.5854
2963		3447.9656	you know,	3448.3923
2965		3448.5812	more hang out spots and the eat-in restaurants you know,	3451.0283
2967		3451.3451	more eating out.	3452.2705
2969		3452.6041	Uh, it's- it's- it's like bec- it's becoming a city that- that's- that's-	3456.4454
2971		3456.7915	gradually becoming a city that- that- that's- that- that doesn't sleep.	3459.3799
2973		3459.5359	You [know.]	3459.8612
2974	DCB_int_01	3459.6968	[Mm-hm.]	3460.0560
2975	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3460.1612	Not there yet.	3460.8047
2977		3461.2531	Not there yet but getting there, you [know.]	3462.7789
2978	DCB_int_01	3462.6132	[Getting there?]	3463.0226
2979	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3462.9495	[It's] still a lot of	3463.6905
2980		3464.0756	places people hang out late	3465.1626
2982		3465.3687	you know.	3465.7287
2984		3466.2803	Especially	3466.8409
2986		3467.2649	Thursday, Friday, Saturday nights people are hanging out Sundays, drinking they- they- they-	3470.9782
2988		3471.2976	you know going into the spots on Sundays and drinking, you know.	3473.8443
2990		3474.2322	So,	3474.5869
2992		3475.0330	it's a town that there's- that there's always something-	3476.9292
2994		3477.1583	it's always something going on but-	3478.2113
2996		3478.6159	but still the blacks have been disenfranchised you know.	3481.1825
2998		3481.5030	You know when you talk about low income housing, f- affordable housing,	3484.1826
3000		3484.4522	what's affordable? You know.	3485.6527
3002		3485.9500	Is affordable	3486.6959
3004		3487.0663	uh, affordable for people that make you know	3489.5329
3006		3489.6402	nine thousand, twelve thousand a year?	3491.6935
3008		3492.0642	You know,	3492.4229
3010		3492.6541	fifteen thousand a year or less than fifteen thousand a year, no.	3494.9274
3012		3495.0865	It's not affordable, you know.	3496.2564
3014		3496.5892	People have been moved out, people have been shifted,	3498.5910
3016		3498.9907	they've been displaced you know and so	3500.9856
3018		3501.4426	you know that- that's w- that's a change in Washington, you know.	3503.8667
3020		3503.9921	That's a changing demographic and you know you can call it	3506.2708
3022		3506.6794	you know crap or get off the pot you know but like hey,	3508.8340
3024		3509.1606	people are not gonna matriculate to	3511.2274
3026		3511.5213	you know being one day	3513.0080
3028		3513.6271	uh, poor	3514.3698
3030		3514.6021	to all of a sudden being affluent.	3515.9381
3032		3516.2608	You know it's a process, you know.	3517.6257
3034		3518.0547	Opportunities but then again it's also coming upon	3520.8207
3036		3521.2392	those people that	3522.0325
3038		3522.4335	have	3522.9135
3040		3523.0135	uh, access to opportunities to take advantage of that opportunity you know.	3526.3394
3042		3526.6270	They have programs for young, they have programs for youth,	3528.7941
3044		3529.0351	they have literacy programs for youth, you know they wanna	3531.2324
3046		3531.5566	go back to school they wanna get into a particular school, they have-	3533.9993
3048		3534.2718	they uh, t- the city used to offer like uh,	3536.2962
3050		3536.8714	pay uh,	3537.5994
3052		3537.7976	partial tuition payments for like uh, r- DC residents.	3540.4006
3054		3540.6457	People didn't take advantage of that like they should have, you know,	3542.7541
3056		3543.0879	uh,	3543.5772
3058		3543.9166	affordable- I mean um,	3544.8867
3060		3545.0573	the um, American Hope Act you know w- uh,	3546.8902
3062		3547.1826	President Obama instituted.	3548.2906
3064		3548.6366	Go to college, undergrad, four years you get	3550.6304
3066		3550.9765	uh,	3551.3258
3068		3551.7724	first year thirty- thirty five hundred back t- uh,	3554.2195
3070		3554.3560	tax credit.	3554.9409
3072		3555.3065	Next three years, twenty-five hundred dollars you know, they- they /done/ haven't taken advantage of that you know, so.	3559.6463
3074		3559.9242	I did.	3560.3336
3076		3560.4604	You know I went to school I m- I just got my degree.	3562.5175
3078		3563.0732	Went back to school um,	3564.3199
3080		3565.0829	two-thousand nine,	3566.0242
3082		3566.5307	got my uh,	3567.3301
3084		3567.6665	diploma in uh,	3568.7145
3086		3569.8012	addictions counseling,	3571.0557
3088		3571.1776	then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ two-thousand nine and got my associates degree in May- May sixteenth in social science, and working on my bachelors now.	3578.0748
3090		3578.4665	You know I took advantage of that- that American Hope Act,	3580.5591
3092		3580.6907	you know, so	3581.2123
3094		3581.4951	opportunity is there, we as a people have to take advantage of it, we don't take advantage of it	3585.2017
3096		3585.4936	you know we're to blame for not taking advantage of it, so.	3587.7220
3098		3588.1503	You know I wouldn't say that people just being displaced	3590.6937
3100		3591.1447	without looking at the fact that	3592.5340
3102		3592.8216	you know	3593.2311
3104		3594.0939	there are opportunities here that we need to take advantage of and /then ?/ until we	3597.6245
3106		3598.0388	take advantage of 'em we're gonna continue to be shifted around, moved and forced out	3601.8863
3108		3602.2763	you know of the- of the culture you know, so.	3604.6843
3110		3605.9677	[That's what-]	3606.4624
3111	DCB_int_01	3606.0701	[What's your-]	3606.4607
3112		3606.6161	what's your favorite book? Or TV show?	3608.6811
3114		3608.8097	Or movie?	3609.5214
3116		3609.7261	And why?	3610.2295
3117	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3610.4879	My favorite- I- I- I-	3612.1145
3119		3612.7936	I could say my favorite TV show is uh-	3615.3218
3121		3616.8538	no, I'm gonna say my favorite movie-	3618.7298
3123		3620.5749	well let me think on that one for a second, cause I have- I have like three or four.	3623.5922
3125		3624.5035	But	3624.8288
3127		3626.1414	think my favorite movie was Shawshank Redemption.	3628.4956
3129		3631.9582	Why are you laughing?	3632.5675
3130	DCB_int_01	3632.9087	I- cause I love that movie.	3634.1956
3131	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3634.1810	Yeah, Shawshank Redemption man, [I could w-]	3635.9957
3132	DCB_int_01	3635.6301	[Why do] you love it?	3636.6088
3133	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3636.7513	Huh?	3637.0934
3134	DCB_int_01	3637.1754	Why do you love it? [Why's it your favorite?]	3638.5101
3135	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3637.7262	[Becau-]	3638.2742
3136		3639.1009	because it showed me that-	3640.6510
3138		3640.8376	that someone that faced so much adversity	3643.2030
3140		3644.6935	and been wrongfully accused, wrongfully imprisoned	3647.8003
3142		3649.0040	was able to	3649.9134
3144		3651.0137	hold out	3651.9071
3146		3652.4176	and eventually come out	3653.8215
3148		3654.2456	on top.	3654.6785
3150		3655.6265	You know.	3655.9921
3152		3656.6161	Come out- come out of it	3657.6836
3154		3657.8396	not unscathed,	3658.6969
3156		3658.9803	you know,	3659.3390
3158		3659.9552	you know not- not- not scarred,	3661.5619
3160		3661.7309	but- but- but at least	3663.0276
3162		3663.3640	got the last laugh, you know.	3665.0018
3163	DCB_int_01	3665.3054	Mm-hm.	3665.9196
3164	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3665.8758	You know.	3666.2170
3165		3666.4120	And that- that's- I'm- I'm like a-	3667.9586
3167		3668.2838	I'm a uh-	3668.9465
3169		3670.2434	I'm a stickler for like the underdog.	3671.8437
3171		3671.9607	You know the person that they say can't make it,	3673.6700
3173		3674.0324	you know.	3674.3577
3175		3675.0220	Like uh, when I look at teams like the Redskins I look at	3677.6977
3177		3678.2193	teams that are really struggling, you know those are the teams I really root for.	3681.5724
3179		3681.8558	You know, New Orleans Saints,	3682.8649
3181		3683.1427	they lost three games.	3684.1881
3183		3684.4248	You know.	3684.8048
3185		3685.2694	They played the Dallas Cowboys the other night,	3686.6148
3187		3686.7172	and I just say to myself I say, they gonna win,	3688.2576
3189		3688.4526	you know.	3688.7739
3191		3689.2228	When- when- when you're- when you're at the lowest level in your life, even me,	3692.6468
3193		3693.0556	you know,	3693.4383
3195		3693.5821	somebody that was counted out years ago	3695.2443
3197		3695.6064	being HIV positive, being a drug addict for like thirty two years, shooting heroin twenty eight years,	3699.8213
3199		3700.1119	you know,	3700.5239
3201		3700.8626	uh, living with you know four or five different medical conditions, Hepatitis C, hiatal hernia, uh, hyperthyroidism,	3706.2497
3203		3706.5527	you know	3706.8988
3205		3707.3083	living with a lot of different issues medically,	3709.2510
3207		3709.5458	uh,	3710.0604
3209		3710.5841	pretty much	3710.9754
3211		3711.1753	drop out from-	3711.7748
3213		3711.8772	drop out from high school going on to get my uh, GED.	3714.3799
3215		3714.7630	eventually going to get my uh, diploma in biblical studies	3717.3351
3217		3717.4569	you know from /RD-SCHOOL-10/.	3719.1009
3219		3719.4276	Going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ becoming the valedictorian of my class at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	3722.4756
3221		3722.7960	Uh, being the valedictorian of my class in uh,	3724.7639
3223		3725.1908	g- uh,	3725.6308
3225		3725.8343	/RD-SCHOOL-7/ you know addictions counseling program, I was the valedictorian.	3729.4123
3227		3729.7535	Uh, going on to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ get my associates degree, working on my bachelors degree.	3733.3709
3229		3733.6741	Somebody that really even counted themselves out feeling like, hey you know what?	3736.8021
3231		3736.9902	I'm never gonna amount to anything.	3738.1315
3233		3738.4282	You know.	3738.7909
3235		3739.2716	But see,	3739.7298
3237		3739.8760	I f- I refuse to believe that.	3741.1239
3239		3741.4957	So	3741.8731
3241		3742.5682	you know,	3742.8908
3243		3743.0264	my- my- my-	3744.1303
3245		3744.7081	my purpose in life is like really reaching out to help people,	3746.8300
3247		3746.9421	giving back what was given to me	3748.2485
3249		3748.6043	but only by God.	3749.5354
3251		3749.7206	You know God allowed me to get where I'm at today, you know.	3752.1740
3253		3752.3592	/unintelligible/ It was all- there was-	3753.7693
3255		3753.9922	Even when I found out I was HIV positive	3755.6740
3257		3755.8898	people say, do you think you're gonna die? I never thought I was gonna die.	3758.1565
3259		3758.4295	I always thought I was gonna live, you know.	3759.6871
3261		3760.0674	Always believed I was gonna live,	3761.2967
3263		3761.5896	I was gonna beat it, even though my brother didn't beat it.	3763.4045
3265		3763.8173	You know I didn't feel that was the c- my- my fate.	3765.5053
3267		3765.7818	You [know, so.]	3766.4740
3268	DCB_int_01	3766.0061	[Mm.]	3766.3229
3269	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3766.8897	Always believed in myself, always believed in God, always believed that you know uh,	3770.6033
3271		3771.4927	God's powers gonna keep me and- and bring me through.	3773.5889
3273		3773.7692	You know cause my- my moth- my mother had faith you know and so r- I r- I really pretty much model myself /to- as/ my mother.	3779.1070
3275		3779.4349	Funny thing about me was this,	3780.7365
3277		3781.9095	I knew early on-	3782.6881
3279		3783.1135	my mother named me m-	3784.0446
3281		3784.1616	/RD-NAME-3/	3784.6936
3283		3784.8782	because a lady in the hospital, white lady	3786.4965
3285		3786.6734	of all people	3787.2193
3287		3787.6434	gave my mother that name	3788.6693
3289		3788.8036	and told her to name me that.	3789.8322
3291		3789.9589	My mother said, why you want me to name me- name me- name me that?	3791.9868
3293		3792.3781	Said, because he's gonna be very fortunate, he's gonna be able to do things that other people can't do he's gonna be able to find things that people can't find.	3797.4101
3295		3797.7659	Believe it or not when I worked at the Patent Office in nineteen eighty three,	3800.2520
3297		3800.9491	there were files that had been missing for five years, ten years, twenty years.	3803.7924
3299		3803.9971	You know, I worked at Patent Office I used to work in the fr- in the- in the warehouse.	3806.5674
3301		3807.4936	I used to pull files, every day we would get a whole list of files to pull and I would pull files, I would find files.	3812.1247
3303		3812.7937	My brother said, man how you finding these files? So what he would do,	3815.2213
3305		3815.5346	instead of me pulling files, he would give me a list of files that were missing for years and say,	3819.5952
3307		3819.9608	find these files.	3820.7486
3309		3821.8375	And I would find 'em.	3822.5457
3311		3823.1599	You know.	3823.5252
3313		3823.9155	He would- he would g- and then	3824.8768
3315		3825.1731	when I was out and using drugs and the young boys that had their s-	3827.7762
3317		3827.8981	crack cocaine stashed different places,	3829.2679
3319		3829.5909	people used to come get me and say	3830.7413
3321		3830.9461	they wanna walk with me, I say, why you wanna walk with me? They say, cause you gonna find something.	3833.7003
3323		3834.3402	You know.	3834.6415
3325		3834.9934	I would find drugs.	3835.9683
3327		3836.1341	You know..	3836.4412
3329		3836.7434	/Well/ I would go, I would stick my hand in bushes,	3838.5714
3331		3838.8865	walk somewhere,	3839.5678
3333		3839.8419	I would find drugs, even when I told them I wouldn't find anything, I said, I'm not gonna find anything, I would still find stuff.	3844.6351
3335		3845.6831	You know.	3846.0431
3337		3846.2548	So they start calling me radar, cause they say I have ra- I- I knew-	3848.6708
3339		3849.3015	I- you know, I- every- anything was on my radar I was gonna find it you know, so.	3852.4348
3341		3853.4317	That's- that's- that's- that's- that's the amazing thing about me living you know, feeling like, hey you know what?	3857.4581
3343		3857.7763	God has a purpose for me you know.	3859.2436
3345		3859.4678	Even though I did all the stuff I did and all the years I did it,	3861.7758
3347		3862.1746	you know God allowed me to survive and get to this point,	3864.6071
3349		3864.9532	you know, and he's not done with me. A lot of people say,	3866.8299
3351		3867.1579	God not finished with me yet, but yet still they don't know what their purpose is you know my purpose is to like,	3870.7164
3353		3870.9942	serve God, the Bible says this, it says that	3873.2569
3355		3874.2111	uh, this is the whole duty of man to fear God and keep his commandments. You know so that's my duty, my- my duty is to fear God, keep his commandments and you know help him serve people you know, that's what	3882.3970
3357		3882.5920	/about-/	3882.9088
3359		3883.1428	you can't-	3883.6108
3361		3883.8204	they say a closed fist	3885.0342
3363		3885.1658	you know,	3885.5578
3365		3886.2103	can't receive anything.	3887.1170
3367		3887.3900	So you know,	3887.8553
3369		3888.1846	I always say too,	3888.9548
3371		3889.2277	homeless people out here begging and panhandling you know they're not gonna get anything	3892.0037
3373		3892.2026	you know uh, really out of life until they decide to give up themselves, until they decide to	3895.9630
3375		3896.2730	not always look to receive but look to give.	3898.3817
3377		3899.0724	You know,	3899.4404
3379		3899.5696	when you give that's when you receive. The Bible says	3901.6316
3381		3901.9387	give and it shall be given unto you, pressed down, shaken together, running over, shall men give into your bosom.	3905.7325
3383		3906.5027	So you know,	3907.0101
3385		3907.1816	so you can't get anything unless you're willing to give.	3909.0438
3386	DCB_int_01	3909.5458	Mm-hm.	3910.0205
3387	DCB_se1_ag4_m_01	3910.8669	You know.	3911.2418