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1DCB_int_010.3930Okay, so can you tell me your name again, now that we're actually recording?3.5311
2DCB_se2_ag2_m_014.0580My name is /RD-NAME-7/.5.4475
3DCB_int_016.0118Excellent.6.7578
5 7.6053And what's your birthday?8.9855 
6DCB_se2_ag2_m_019.7409April twenty third,10.7668
8 11.5688two thousand and- No,12.6494 
9DCB_int_0112.7473<laugh>13.3349
10DCB_se2_ag2_m_0113.8944nineteen eighty eight.14.6731
11DCB_int_0114.9762/And-/ I was like, you told [me you were eighteen!]17.1864
12DCB_se2_ag2_m_0115.8435[<laugh>]18.1610
13DCB_int_0118.4349Um,19.1530
15 19.6286where were you born?20.5099 
16DCB_se2_ag2_m_0120.7104<ts>20.8736
18 22.0487In Washington DC? [You] wanna know the hospital?24.2589 
19DCB_int_0123.1258[Mm-]23.3590
20 24.6459That'd be great.25.3174
21DCB_se2_ag2_m_0125.5400Uh, Columbia Hospital for Women.27.1254
22DCB_int_0130.7893What neighborhood do you claim?32.2488
23DCB_se2_ag2_m_0133.0601The neighborhood that I grew in is called uh, Fifteenth Place.35.9138
24DCB_int_0136.2449Fifteenth Place, where is that?37.2649
25DCB_se2_ag2_m_0137.4421It's in Southeast DC.38.6918
26DCB_int_0142.1050I don't think I've ever heard that.43.3628
28 43.8664How long have you been in DC?45.1954 
29DCB_se2_ag2_m_0145.6104<ts>45.8109
31 46.0254Say that one more time?46.6782 
32DCB_int_0146.7341How long have you been in DC?47.9185
33DCB_se2_ag2_m_0148.2402Since nineteen eighty eight.49.3302
34DCB_int_0149.5680Oh, since then- [Okay. All your life.]50.9576
35DCB_se2_ag2_m_0150.0157[<laugh>]50.9436
36DCB_int_0153.5688Have you lived anywhere else?54.6821
37DCB_se2_ag2_m_0154.6774<ts>54.8033
38 55.0318I currently live in Virginia.56.2954
39DCB_int_0156.5332What part?56.8923
40DCB_se2_ag2_m_0157.2980Alexandria.58.1093
41DCB_int_0158.1839Oh.58.3704
42DCB_se2_ag2_m_0159.4709I lived in Upper Marlboro for a year.62.1555
43DCB_int_0168.5379Uh, where'd you go to school?69.9414
44DCB_se2_ag2_m_0171.0885College? Or high school.72.1936
45DCB_int_0172.5014Both.72.8091
46DCB_se2_ag2_m_0173.4468I went to high school. It's called the n- uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/.76.0114
47DCB_int_0176.1746/RD-SCHOOL-3/? Where is that?77.2097
48DCB_se2_ag2_m_0177.3030It's in Northeast DC off of Benning Road.79.1810
49DCB_int_0179.8151Oh!80.3560
51 80.6871This is your old stomping ground.82.2212 
52DCB_se2_ag2_m_0182.4170Not really, /well yeah/. [<laugh>]85.2894
53DCB_int_0183.4709[But sort of.]84.5666
54 86.6591And um,88.4357
56 89.8719college?90.2959 
57DCB_se2_ag2_m_0190.3801I went to uh, /RD-SCHOOL-7/ in Penn- [in Oxford], Pennsylvania.93.5497
58DCB_int_0192.1649[Penns-]92.4400
59 93.5497Yeah.94.4730
60DCB_se2_ag2_m_0194.4637And I also went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.96.2589
61DCB_int_0197.0178Mm-hm.97.5121
63 101.4336One of our uh, kids, she just left last week to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. She was so [excited.] That was like her dream school.107.1639 
64DCB_se2_ag2_m_01105.6803[Mm.]105.9647
65DCB_int_01108.1796And what is your current occupation?109.7172
66DCB_se2_ag2_m_01110.0996I am a lead legal assistant for /RD-WORK-6/.112.4683
68 114.1423/RD-WORK-12/.115.4000 
69DCB_int_01121.7032So what do you do?122.3327
70DCB_se2_ag2_m_01123.1907<ts>123.3586
72 123.9274I do a variety of things but what my126.6039 
74 127.6380office focus on is we129.4518 
76 130.6735A- The ALJ issue a favorable decision. We look- We look at the ALJ's decision,134.8037 
78 134.9436and if the ALJ136.3238 
80 136.5849made a incorrect-138.0724 
82 138.3102If they made a mistake on their decision,140.2348 
84 140.8177we send- we remand the case for them to look at it again, and we- we let 'em know what the mistakes they made.146.0483 
85DCB_int_01146.6591Gotcha.147.2047
86DCB_se2_ag2_m_01147.1954So what I do personally, is I would mail out the-149.9325
87 150.3615the uh, remand order151.6146
89 151.7639to go to the hearing office or the- back to the ALJ.154.0020 
90DCB_int_01154.1326And how long have you been there?155.2097
91DCB_se2_ag2_m_01155.4942Uh, since two thousand ten.156.5946
92DCB_int_01157.0131Oh!157.4375
94 157.7032Been there for awhile, five [years almost.] Or,159.7083 
95DCB_se2_ag2_m_01158.8736[Yeah.]159.1487
96DCB_int_01159.8762yeah.160.1326
98 160.8320Where were your parents born? Your dad, your mom.163.4002 
99DCB_se2_ag2_m_01163.4887Um, my m-164.1789
101 164.7571father was born in Silver Spring, Maryland, and my mother was born in Washington DC.168.7205 
102DCB_int_01169.6613Oh, so you deep. You not even like, first generation.172.6082
103DCB_se2_ag2_m_01173.0512Nah. <laugh> Nowhere near.174.3661
104DCB_int_01174.3895<laugh>175.1950
106 175.6659Grandparents?176.5006 
107DCB_se2_ag2_m_01176.6498<ts>176.8223
109 176.9063Uh, I-177.2793 
111 177.4378I-177.5777 
113 177.8948I know my gr- grandmother was born in South- North Carolina.181.0143 
115 182.3514I'm not sure where my other grandparents was [born.]184.4217 
116DCB_int_01184.1653[Oh] okay. I thought we were gonna be like, [and they were born] in [DC],186.8966
117DCB_se2_ag2_m_01185.5921[<laugh>]186.1050
119 186.6972[Nah], I'm not [sure.]187.5587 
120DCB_int_01187.1717[down the street-] okay.188.3048
121 188.6172[What is your-]189.1954
122DCB_se2_ag2_m_01188.6778[I know my]189.5731
123 190.7341mother's father is from DC. I [do know that.]193.3489
124DCB_int_01192.7858[Oh.]193.1215
125 193.8198So your maternal grandfather is [also from] DC.196.3891
126DCB_se2_ag2_m_01195.6430[Yeah.]195.9135
127DCB_int_01201.7176Cool.202.0627
129 202.9067What does your father- What does your father do or did?205.2474 
130DCB_se2_ag2_m_01208.0300Uh, he currently works for-210.3895
132 212.0576I do not know the name of the company, but he delivers uh,215.1678 
134 215.9605goods to like,216.9397 
136 217.1390homeless shelters or-218.4633 
137DCB_int_01218.7710Hm.219.0508
139 222.7940And what about mom?223.6146 
140DCB_se2_ag2_m_01223.6566<ts>223.8151
142 223.9177Mommy works for the army. She's a225.8528 
144 226.2259purchasing agent.227.5734 
145DCB_int_01239.8579/That is all./240.5060
147 240.9245No more writing.241.6240 
148DCB_se2_ag2_m_01241.6519Hm.241.9737
149DCB_int_01242.5659Alright.242.9622
151 243.4285So tell me about- Let's start from the beginning, and we'll work up.247.1903 
152DCB_se2_ag2_m_01247.3209[Mkay.]247.7266
153DCB_int_01247.3395[The good thing] is I don't really know you, so I've never heard these [stories.]249.7829
154DCB_se2_ag2_m_01249.5964[Okay.]249.9181
155DCB_int_01250.2772Um,250.8320
157 251.5688so,252.1237 
159 252.8313Columbia Hospital. So where'd you grow up? What- Fifteenth Place, is that /correct/?256.9206 
160DCB_se2_ag2_m_01256.5010[Yes.]256.8973
161DCB_int_01257.2051Okay, so tell me about that neighborhood, [your house-]259.5307
162DCB_se2_ag2_m_01258.6879[Okay, now], Fifteen Place- You- you said what do I claim, so262.3751
163 262.8414my house is actually off of S-264.1377
165 264.3335Stanley Road,265.0236 
166DCB_int_01265.4887Mm.265.7172
167DCB_se2_ag2_m_01265.8058but Fifteenth Place is like a big neighborhood.268.2165
169 268.3611It's a-268.9160 
171 269.1211It- it /consists/ of Stanley Road,270.7065 
173 271.3209Bruce Place, Fifteenth Place,273.2094 
175 273.4845um, Hollywood Boulevard275.0605 
177 275.4522and Alabama Avenue.276.5014 
179 277.5214So,277.8525 
181 278.0483but we- If you grew up in that area /there/, you would say you from Fifteenth Place.281.2331 
182DCB_int_01282.3009Okay.282.7298
183DCB_se2_ag2_m_01282.7753So what do you wanna know about my neighborhood?284.7058
184DCB_int_01285.8249What do you remember?286.7668
185DCB_se2_ag2_m_01287.0232<laugh>288.6401
187 288.9432Well,289.3349 
189 291.3353<ts>291.5544 
191 292.1746I don't wanna talk about the bad stuff unless you aks that specifically, but um, just growing up,296.4446 
193 297.2187you uh- we- we kids- you running around. You play tag. You play hide and go seek. Uh,302.4027 
195 302.7011you chase the little girls around. You [play on the playground.]305.2331 
196DCB_int_01304.2259[<laugh>]305.2284
197DCB_se2_ag2_m_01305.7786Uh,306.3055
199 306.5935growing up- I remember five years old, I was just playing football all the time. I'm a very309.9601 
201 310.1839big sports f- fan- fanatic.311.8439 
203 312.6459So I'd play football all the time. Um,315.2420 
205 316.1606growing up, uh, we didn't have a basketball court til I turned eight.318.6506 
207 319.0318So, that's when I discovered basketball, so I would play basketball all the time, so.322.5336 
208DCB_int_01323.2097Who are your two favorite football-324.5433
210 324.7940favorite football team and favorite [basketball /team/?]326.5519 
211DCB_se2_ag2_m_01326.1089[Of course I'm] a diehard Redskin fan.327.9274
212DCB_int_01328.9067Then are you a Wizards fan?330.0397
213DCB_se2_ag2_m_01330.2915I am not a Wizards fan.331.3942
214DCB_int_01331.7732What's [your basketball] team?332.5985
215DCB_se2_ag2_m_01331.9037[Gro-]332.2162
216 332.7897Growing up um-333.7969
218 334.3471My basketball team is the Lakers.335.4429 
220 336.3848Growing up, foot-337.1344 
222 337.3628Like, basketball wasn't really my sport,339.3539 
224 339.8622and340.0580 
226 340.4870so I'd- I-341.1351 
228 341.3683I was bor- I was ber- b-342.6459 
230 342.7811/bredded/ into being a Redskin fan.344.2301 
231DCB_int_01344.3467Mm-hm.344.7710
232DCB_se2_ag2_m_01344.8876So the f- f- uh- the professional football teams, I didn't discover until I was eight.348.4967
234 348.7905And then when I discovered that, I read a book about Kobe Bryant,351.4705 
236 352.1326and then that's when I became a Laker's fan.353.7273 
237DCB_int_01354.0864Gotcha.354.5480
239 355.1810So,355.8431 
241 356.6405I'll ask you about the bad stuff in a minute,358.5243 
243 359.1165but359.5082 
245 359.7693did you grow up in an apartment, a [townhome-]361.9550 
246DCB_se2_ag2_m_01361.3675[Uh, house.]362.0203
247 362.2255Town- Would you call it a townhome?363.6150
249 364.1419I wouldn't call it a townhome.365.2097 
251 365.8719I would just call it a house.366.9677 
252DCB_int_01367.2836A house?367.7452
253DCB_se2_ag2_m_01367.7266Yeah.367.9737
254DCB_int_01368.0250Are you an only child?368.8876
255DCB_se2_ag2_m_01369.0695No.369.3726
257 369.4985I have four sisters.370.4077 
258DCB_int_01370.9486And you're the only brother? I mean [the only]372.4920
259DCB_se2_ag2_m_01372.1889[Only] boy. [Yes.]373.2334
260DCB_int_01372.6739[boy.]373.0376
261 373.5260Okay, so tell me about that [experience?]375.4705
262DCB_se2_ag2_m_01375.3726[Um], to be honest with you, it wasn't that bad because my sisters are way older than me.379.2754
263 379.4608The sister380.1136
265 380.4353older than me is- She's nine years,382.2072 
267 382.5336so382.9486 
269 383.2424she kind of raised me and my little sister. So it was just me and her.385.6333 
271 386.2628But the rest of my sisters, they was already out the house.388.0394 
273 389.1771The only time-389.8252 
275 390.1283I- I will say we probably- They-391.5260 
277 391.7032They was in the house probably when I was, what?393.4052 
279 394.7248I wanna say from like,395.6387 
281 396.3195three to397.4141 
283 399.8202t-399.9554 
285 400.1046to probably six years old? So that's the only time I experienced a lot of402.9478 
287 403.0877women in the house. And you know, females can't get along. So my sisters used to fight all the time.406.9346 
288DCB_int_01408.4734And you were just the innocent little boy?409.8898
289DCB_se2_ag2_m_01410.5892I wouldn't say innocent, but <laugh>412.8274
291 413.2843yes, I was- I w- I wouldn't necessa- say- say my older sisters were really focused on me417.4751 
293 417.8948too much. Like, it's- it's just probably just me and my little sister420.5527 
295 420.9991and my mother and father.421.9923 
297 422.6405So they was kind of- You know how they- they into their own thing.425.3683 
298DCB_int_01426.1237I do.426.5900
299DCB_se2_ag2_m_01426.6832Yeah.427.0562
300DCB_int_01427.1495I do.427.6053
302 428.1136Um,428.7757 
304 429.4425[so now-]430.2818 
305DCB_se2_ag2_m_01429.7689[So-]430.1326
306 430.3658to answer your question, it wasn't that bad.431.6807
308 431.8346[<laugh> No.]432.8324 
309DCB_int_01432.0071[It wasn't that bad.]432.8231
310 433.0504Which I'm surprised cause it was just you and your dad were the only guys in the [house] right? And then, four women,437.5128
311DCB_se2_ag2_m_01435.9181[Yeah.]436.1886
312DCB_int_01437.8812but at different times, so it wasn't too bad.439.9877
313DCB_se2_ag2_m_01440.0017No.440.2908
314DCB_int_01440.7477So,441.2700
316 441.4938thinking about-442.2725 
318 442.4637Have you gone back to your neighborhood?443.8066 
319DCB_se2_ag2_m_01444.3568I go back there all the time. My- my friends, they- What they did was they- they447.7278
321 447.8388s- tore down the neighborhood, and they rebuilt it.449.6107 
323 449.7320And a lot of people that used to live there moved back. So one of my friends- Well, my best friend,453.6290 
325 453.7456he's-454.0440 
327 454.3145they move- one of the people that moved back, so I go there- I go there often.456.9152 
329 457.5260Well I used to anyway.458.3421 
330DCB_int_01459.3586So tell me about these friends you used to hang out with.461.6900
331DCB_se2_ag2_m_01461.9045<laugh>462.1983
333 462.9945Oh you wanna know the names specifically or?464.7011 
334DCB_int_01464.9576You can if you want, or you can just talk about them.467.1305
335DCB_se2_ag2_m_01467.2331Okay. Well,468.3242
337 468.4920my friend-469.3395 
339 470.9902my friend /RD-NAME-2/,472.3564 
341 473.7320we- we- we all- It's a group us. It's-475.8664 
343 477.1394it's me,477.6850 
345 478.2212Fat Man, which is named /RD-NAME-4/,480.5060 
347 480.6541/RD-NAME-2/, /RD-NAME-5/,482.1928 
349 482.6125/RD-NAME-2/, /RD-NAME-4/. We all grew up since we were s-485.5501 
351 485.8113three years old.486.4594 
353 487.7499Cause I- My-488.5612 
355 488.7897I used to live in North- My family's from Northwest.490.8087 
357 491.2750And me and my- me and my sister are the only two that grew up in Southeast.494.0157 
358DCB_int_01494.7244Gotcha.495.1301
359DCB_se2_ag2_m_01495.2606[All my sisters],496.0347
360DCB_int_01495.2840[What part of Northwest?]496.4357
361DCB_se2_ag2_m_01496.2072[they] went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.497.5128
362 497.9325Um,498.5107
364 499.2136what's that- Rand- Randolph Street. My grandmother still has a house off Randolph Street.502.1233 
366 502.7295So when I was born, we lived in Jefferson-505.2568 
368 505.8291on Jefferson Street for two years.507.3259 
370 507.7876So I don't recall any of that.509.0232 
372 509.7180I just remember moving to Southeast when I was three years old.512.2162 
374 513.3819So we s-515.3170 
376 515.5128So we grew up,516.6086 
378 516.9245since we was three years old.517.9131 
380 518.7897Uh, when I was twelve, that's when they tore down the neighborhood.521.5082 
381DCB_int_01521.5734Mm.521.8019
382DCB_se2_ag2_m_01521.8625So522.4594
384 523.2463as children we was all tight.524.8783 
386 525.0555Uh, we just- All we did was play basketball. /?/527.1724 
388 527.7646We wasn't really into doing anything529.7032 
390 530.4819negative. We would have uh,531.9461 
392 532.1606rock fights,532.9533 
394 533.5688um,534.1563 
396 534.6261sling /shock/ fights. That's- that's all about it- That's all that we- We wasn't really into none of the539.3869 
398 540.1143crime or doing anything541.6706 
400 542.0157bad or anything like that.543.1347 
402 543.8715My group of friends wasn't.544.9906 
404 546.7147So when we got older, we- we s- we split up. I moved to Southwest for uh,550.4917 
406 551.7879two years552.3382 
407DCB_int_01552.7147Mm.552.9618
408DCB_se2_ag2_m_01552.9525when I was thirteen or fourteen.554.3187
409 555.4378And um, my other friends, they moved to uh- You ever heard of Woodland?559.3780
410DCB_int_01559.8058Mm-hm.560.2628
411DCB_se2_ag2_m_01560.6032My other friend /RD-NAME-2/, he moved to Woodland.562.2865
413 562.4823My friend /RD-NAME-2/, he moved back to- him and his family's from Barry Far- They moved back to Barry Farms.566.3700 
415 566.9809And my other friend, he moved up the street by Seven District.569.5035 
416DCB_int_01571.2183So,571.9271
418 572.1509okay.572.6265 
420 573.9601So you were the only one who moved out of [Southeast?]576.3755 
421DCB_se2_ag2_m_01576.1656[Yes.]576.5760
422DCB_int_01577.2276So how was that?578.4680
424 578.5985Do you feel like- Were you able to go back?580.9067 
425DCB_se2_ag2_m_01581.3823Uh,581.9418
427 582.2542no because that neighborhood was gone. So I- we didn't go back to that neighborhood, but I would go visit my friends.586.4450 
429 587.0559All the time.587.6387 
431 587.8252Uh, they would come visit me in Southwest.589.4887 
433 589.9457And when I moved to Southwest I was- It was kind of like-592.4357 
435 593.2144I didn't know that594.3755 
437 595.2836Southwest was that bad of a neighborhood.597.2840 
439 597.5404Just- just as bad as Southeast.599.0186 
441 599.6294So it wasn't really no transition.601.3209 
443 601.8338Like it [would be] gunshots right outside my backyard.604.4590 
444DCB_int_01602.2535[Hm.]602.5426
445DCB_se2_ag2_m_01605.2937So Southwest is s- well was, cause it's different now, was just as bad as Southeast.609.6803
446DCB_int_01610.0627What part of Southwest?611.2564
447DCB_se2_ag2_m_01611.1911Uh,611.7973
448 612.1097t- what is that called?613.4841
450 614.9296I forgot the name of it. Um,616.5196 
452 617.5408right there618.2636 
454 618.5329across the street619.4561 
456 619.9037from the Nationals Stadium.621.4985 
457DCB_int_01622.4264Oh, f-622.7435
458DCB_se2_ag2_m_01622.7481You know where Waterfront Station is?624.2822
459DCB_int_01624.5573Mm-hm.624.9024
460DCB_se2_ag2_m_01625.0131Right there, in that area.626.0390
462 626.5752Before they built all that stuff up, right there.628.4264 
463DCB_int_01628.7714Mm-hm.629.1621
465 629.3403By the- by- by Arena Stage.631.3116 
466DCB_se2_ag2_m_01633.6477Um, you know where I Street is?634.9906
467DCB_int_01635.5641Mm-hm.635.8952
468DCB_se2_ag2_m_01636.0584Yeah.636.3848
469DCB_int_01636.8686[Like this]637.4141
470DCB_se2_ag2_m_01636.8779[It was /off I Street-/]637.4654
471DCB_int_01637.6286condos, apartments or [something- /It was a lot./]639.6756
472DCB_se2_ag2_m_01638.8363[Yeah it was condos and] there was- it's some houses.640.8880
473 641.0186on your uh,641.6667
475 641.9325right hand side.642.6459 
477 642.9991And the- I think it was called Green Leaf something.644.7804 
479 644.9063Green Leaf-645.2513 
481 645.5497I don't remember the name of the neighborhood.647.0699 
482DCB_int_01647.8206So going back for a second because I think it was really interesting. You're like, I'm not gonna tell you the bad stuff.651.8715
483DCB_se2_ag2_m_01652.0347[<laugh>]652.3751
484DCB_int_01652.2492[But] then you just talked about [like, the gunshots] [and-]654.6972
485DCB_se2_ag2_m_01653.0139[Because I don't- I don't-]653.8532
487 654.4769[I-] I personally don't like to talk about that because I don't- I-657.2886 
488 657.5358I don't think that's658.4637
490 658.7528relevant to anything. Like, I mean ever- Of course, everybody grows up in a bad area,662.7058 
492 663.3073and everybody goes through that stuff.664.6782 
493DCB_int_01664.6968Right.664.9346
494DCB_se2_ag2_m_01665.0139But I don't- I don't like to glorify it666.4827
496 666.6039cause I don't think that's important.667.9037 
497DCB_int_01668.0623Was it [the neighborhood-] It wasn't you specifically?670.2818
498DCB_se2_ag2_m_01668.3560[But it-]668.6451
500 669.9927Nah, nah, nah.670.7481 
501DCB_int_01670.7714Okay.671.0605
503 672.2496Um,672.8138 
505 673.5447so what do you feel like was your674.9016 
507 675.1114best memory676.3331 
508DCB_se2_ag2_m_01676.7155[From?]677.2564
509DCB_int_01676.7201[in- before] you moved.678.1330
510DCB_se2_ag2_m_01678.7345Just- To be honest with you, just being with my friends. Like, I- Like, to this day, we still are tight. So I j- I love hanging with my friends. We-685.2649
512 686.1835Uh, I don't have one specific memory688.2772 
514 688.7061to be truthfully honest with you.689.9838 
516 691.5773But it's j- it's just- just being able to go outside and just hang with them all night- all nights of the hour- til four, five o'clock in the morning.698.0157 
518 698.4493<laugh>698.7757 
519DCB_int_01699.4052So now going back to the neighborhood, right?701.8765
521 703.2929It's d- very different,704.3887 
523 704.6451I'm assuming.705.3959 
524DCB_se2_ag2_m_01705.7736[Yeah.]706.1326
525DCB_int_01705.9321[When] they rebuilt [it.]707.2704
526DCB_se2_ag2_m_01706.8927[Yeah.]707.2470
527DCB_int_01707.7786Um, what differences do you see now,710.0763
529 710.1975and does it feel the same?711.6523 
530DCB_se2_ag2_m_01711.6570In the neighborhood, [or-]712.8181
531DCB_int_01712.6362[H-] Back to Fifteenth, like that area714.5666
532 714.7345because-715.1029
533DCB_se2_ag2_m_01715.1903Uh, [the difference] is they-716.7011
534DCB_int_01715.4095[Like you f-]715.8338
535DCB_se2_ag2_m_01717.2933they-717.7642
537 718.1932The people are still the same. It's just the-720.2076 
539 720.4827the area look different. Like, th-721.9737 
541 722.2395Have you seen the news where um, the two- the men725.0419 
543 725.1864got raped?725.5734 
545 725.8299The dude got raped726.6879 
547 727.0096by four men?727.6799 
549 728.0763They-728.2721 
551 729.5124Well that's- that's the neighborhood where I grew up in.731.4324 
553 731.5828That's by the Giant.732.6226 
555 733.0971I'm surprised you didn't see that on the news.734.4167 
556DCB_int_01734.8363I try not to watch the news.736.3051
557DCB_se2_ag2_m_01736.1606<laugh>736.8041
558DCB_int_01736.8973Purposely.737.5734
559DCB_se2_ag2_m_01737.5874Okay.737.8486
560DCB_int_01738.1190Mm-hm.738.4407
561DCB_se2_ag2_m_01738.6914Well yeah yeah yeah. They- They built a um-740.9669
563 741.3726<ts>741.4751 
565 741.5591We had a um-742.4124 
567 743.5595We had a shopping center.744.5375 
569 744.7194We had- It's called Lee's Market, and we had our carry out called /What Luck/.747.9647 
571 748.9486So that area, they tore that down. They built a um,751.4002 
573 751.8151a Giant right there [and]753.4938 
574DCB_int_01753.1674[Hm.]753.5264
575DCB_se2_ag2_m_01754.0440S- a Subway and all that stuff, so.756.4547
577 757.4701But yeah, the neighborhood just look totally different. No, it- it- it's nothing that-760.5103 
579 760.7248that-761.0279 
581 761.2237that reminds me of the old neighborhood.762.6179 
582DCB_int_01763.0877But just the people.763.8851
583DCB_se2_ag2_m_01763.8618Just the people.764.4260
584DCB_int_01764.9855Kay.765.2047
586 765.5031So let's talk a little bit about your family.767.2983 
588 768.0770Um,768.8313 
590 769.1670you said your grandpar- your maternal grandfather was a DC [native.]773.1159 
591DCB_se2_ag2_m_01772.7061[Yeah.]773.1025
592DCB_int_01773.4056Your mom was DC.774.7763
593DCB_se2_ag2_m_01774.7718Yeah.775.0562
594DCB_int_01775.1763Um-775.7965
595DCB_se2_ag2_m_01775.7872My father grew up in DC. He just was born in Maryland.778.2352
596DCB_int_01778.7248Oh, he grew up in [DC as well?]780.1848
597DCB_se2_ag2_m_01779.3729[Yeah s- same] neighborhood as my mother.781.0318
598DCB_int_01781.2136So how'd your parents meet?782.1416
600 782.3001Do you know?782.7244 
601DCB_se2_ag2_m_01782.7151<laugh> Yeah, my father tell me the story all the time. [<laugh>]785.4115
602DCB_int_01784.9393[<laugh>]785.6854
603DCB_se2_ag2_m_01785.8019He said uh, he was just coming around the neighborhood,788.4400
605 789.4425and he was playing football in the alley with his friends.791.9745 
607 792.2496And he said my mother seen him, and my father's real real dark,794.9715 
609 795.6290so my mother said, hey black boy,797.1118 
611 797.3216or something like that.798.2029 
613 799.0376And799.4000 
615 799.8245that's how he uh- he801.2700 
617 801.4238got introduced to my mother. Cause my mother, she's a- she's a real calm chill person now, but she said in her childhood, she was a real807.2047 
619 808.3658uh- I don't wanna say, she was a810.0211 
621 811.3255troubled child. Like she would fight all the time, beat people up. So she was real aggressive.815.2750 
623 816.0724So my father tells me that story all the time.817.9224 
624DCB_int_01818.4493How old were they when they met?819.5404
625DCB_se2_ag2_m_01819.8435Um, I'm not s- I think fourteen.823.0236
626DCB_int_01823.8478Oh, [like]824.4726
627DCB_se2_ag2_m_01824.2068[Yeah], fourteen. Yeah.825.0042
628DCB_int_01825.7083high school, maybe.826.9440
630 827.0792Just at the [beginning of high school.]828.7112 
631DCB_se2_ag2_m_01827.6294[Junior high school. Junior] high school maybe.829.6799
632DCB_int_01830.1369Wow.830.6358
634 830.8037And they were together that whole time?832.5523 
635DCB_se2_ag2_m_01833.0559Uh, not necessarily together, but that's- that's how long they knew each other.835.8758
636DCB_int_01835.9504Oh, okay.836.5519
638 836.7804Um,837.5078 
640 838.0207and then, how did- Do you know how they kind of ended up together [together?]841.7219 
641DCB_se2_ag2_m_01841.4887[I] do not know this story.842.6685
642DCB_int_01842.6358You do not [know the s-]843.3912
643DCB_se2_ag2_m_01843.0835[I'm'a aks] when I get- [<laugh> Yeah.]845.5921
644DCB_int_01843.9135[<laugh> Now, you're gonna go like], look, let me talk [to you for] a minute.847.0423
645DCB_se2_ag2_m_01846.2811[<laugh>]846.7100
646DCB_int_01847.4375Um,847.9923
648 848.3514okay. So then, your parents- You started in Northwest.851.3403 
649DCB_se2_ag2_m_01851.4522Yeah.851.7786
650DCB_int_01852.0631And then,852.7578
652 853.0598how did- Do you know how parents moved to [Southeast?]855.6943 
653DCB_se2_ag2_m_01855.4052[My mother] was856.1792
654 856.3658tr-857.2424
656 857.5361sh-858.4407 
658 858.5841I'm- I'm- I think something860.1975 
660 860.5286/dramastically/ happened in Jefferson Street with my father.864.1330 
662 864.8593So my mother wanted to move from that area.867.0601 
663DCB_int_01867.1487Mm.867.4798
664DCB_se2_ag2_m_01867.9088So I'm not sure she was familiar with Southeast870.1283
666 870.6319because she- she said she wanted to get out of a bad neighborhood.872.9622 
668 873.2187But she moved- end up moving to another bad neighborhood (laughing).875.4056 
670 875.9418But she said um,877.0702 
672 877.6473she was looking for somewhere to live, and she said Northwest was too expensive.880.4357 
674 880.6222So she moved to Southeast,881.9418 
676 882.3895where it was less expensive.883.7405 
677DCB_int_01884.4027Gotcha.884.8130
679 885.2047And then,885.8482 
681 886.5429so now- Do your fam- Does your fam- Are- Is your family still really close now?890.1462 
682DCB_se2_ag2_m_01890.5565Yes.890.9342
683DCB_int_01891.4285And do y'all have anything like where y'all get together on Sundays or watch football [games or-]896.0203
684DCB_se2_ag2_m_01895.3815[No, I'm] the only f- f- uh, sports fanatic in our family.898.5896
685DCB_int_01898.8460Oh okay.899.3590
686DCB_se2_ag2_m_01899.3310How was I introduced to football?900.5293
687 900.7147[My uncle.]901.1390
688DCB_int_01900.7147[Mm.]900.9712
689DCB_se2_ag2_m_01902.5612My father doesn't watch sports at all.904.0067
690DCB_int_01904.5989[Really?]905.0978
691DCB_se2_ag2_m_01904.8787[Yeah.]905.2051
692DCB_int_01906.0071Okay.906.4780
694 906.8406So,907.4887 
696 908.5985um, when you say y'all are close, what makes you close? Like, do y'all have family [traditions?]913.5494 
697DCB_se2_ag2_m_01913.3302[We don't] necessarily have family traditions, we just- we-915.6010
698 915.7969d-915.9135
699DCB_int_01915.8808[Oh (quiet).]916.1932
700DCB_se2_ag2_m_01916.1699When we do- /I mean/- When we are able to see each other,918.9677
701DCB_int_01918.9956Mm-hm.919.3687
702DCB_se2_ag2_m_01919.4095we- we embrace each other.920.9809
704 921.4425Like, we- we all- we love each other so much. Like, it's-924.2169 
706 925.8944Um, I'm not explaining but,927.7083 
708 927.8342when we- when we do or when we are able to get together,931.7872 
710 931.8898we just like,932.4260 
712 933.0881we enjoy that mom- We embrace those moments.935.2610 
713DCB_int_01935.4755Mm.935.8765
715 936.4314Gotcha.936.9350 
717 937.2556Do your sisters still live in the area?938.7897 
718DCB_se2_ag2_m_01939.1581All my sisters still live in the area.940.5196
719DCB_int_01940.7761Oh [wow.]941.5455
720DCB_se2_ag2_m_01941.1911[Yeah.]941.5548
721DCB_int_01941.7506So everybody's h- [here] pretty [much.]943.8525
722DCB_se2_ag2_m_01942.7147[Yeah.]943.0131
724 943.6380[Yeah.]943.8898 
725DCB_int_01944.4307Um,945.0555
727 945.3119so let's go back a little bit because now I'm gonna ask you947.6714 
729 947.8019something not necessarily your family. [So let's talk] about school. Did you like school?951.4378 
730DCB_se2_ag2_m_01949.4794[Mkay.]949.8291
731 951.6803I loved school.952.2399
733 952.4077Uh, did like- Did I like school as a child?954.3331 
734DCB_int_01954.3615Mm-hm, before you got older.956.0949
735DCB_se2_ag2_m_01956.5752Um,957.1301
737 958.1886I'm not gonna necessarily I l- say I loved it or hated it. I- I don't have any961.0236 
739 961.2090bad memories from school.962.5752 
741 962.9063School was always964.2772 
743 964.6315okay. Like,965.4569 
745 966.8464I didn't hate school to answer your question.968.4353 
746DCB_int_01968.6591Which- Which elementary school did you go to?970.3844
747DCB_se2_ag2_m_01970.3797I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.971.4056
748DCB_int_01971.7833Mm.972.1004
750 972.1936Mm-hm.972.4734 
751DCB_se2_ag2_m_01972.6867Uh, /RD-SCHOOL-1/- /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Junior High School974.4866
753 975.4938and976.3051 
755 976.9206from /RD-SCHOOL-2/, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.978.6925 
756DCB_int_01979.6519Where's /RD-SCHOOL-2/?980.3654
757DCB_se2_ag2_m_01980.5239/RD-SCHOOL-2/ is981.4742
759 982.1673right in the neighborhood where I grew up in.984.4454 
761 985.4095That's off of Bruce Place.986.4726 
762DCB_int_01986.7757Is it still there?987.3306
763DCB_se2_ag2_m_01987.4845Yeah.987.7316
764DCB_int_01988.2818I know /RD-SCHOOL-2/. I don't know [/RD-SCHOOL-2/.]990.0537
765DCB_se2_ag2_m_01989.6900[/RD-SCHOOL-2/] is- or /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is right here. You walk up, uh, Stanton Road, and [/RD-SCHOOL-2/] is right there too, on your left hand side.995.0699
766DCB_int_01993.1034[Mm-hm.]993.2988
767 995.4615The problem is I never go up Stanton [Road, so that- mm.]998.2233
768DCB_se2_ag2_m_01997.1017[Okay, so you] always on Alabama Avenue.998.9342
769DCB_int_01999.0741I go that way, and then I come on Mississippi.1001.2331
771 1001.6107Like, cause I-1002.0677 
772DCB_se2_ag2_m_011002.1097[Okay. I know where you going- you're going down there.] Yeah.1004.0576
773DCB_int_011002.3090[There's a Club over there at the ARC.]1003.7825
774 1004.2301[So I'm there-]1004.9482
775DCB_se2_ag2_m_011004.2628[Okay the ARC- Yeah], [yeah. I know where the ARC is.] [Yeah.]1006.3098
776DCB_int_011005.1627[Yeah.]1005.8808
778 1006.1233[Yup.]1006.3471 
779 1007.1211Um,1007.6947
781 1007.9931okay, so let's go-1009.0831 
782DCB_se2_ag2_m_011009.0737[Wait then you know where-1009.8385
783 1010.0763it's j-1010.4167
785 1010.5705You know where /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is right?1011.4891 
786DCB_int_011011.9741I know exactly where [/RD-SCHOOL-2/ is.]1013.4242
787DCB_se2_ag2_m_011012.9859[Okay, you know] that shopping center across the street from /RD-SCHOOL-2/, that's the Giant and stuff [I was talk-]1016.2255
788DCB_int_011015.9131[That's what] you're talk- [Oh, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.]1017.8155
789DCB_se2_ag2_m_011016.6265[Oh yeah yeah yeah. And then the] cr- neighborhood across the street, that's the neighborhood where I grew up at.1020.1330
790DCB_int_011020.8324Okay.1021.2847
791DCB_se2_ag2_m_011021.5214[Then-]1021.7965
792DCB_int_011021.5727[Okay.]1022.0110
793DCB_se2_ag2_m_011021.9923Yeah. Those are the new houses they built.1023.5358
794DCB_int_011023.8435So that's on-1024.3937
796 1024.5569that's on [Alabama Proper.]1025.8113 
797DCB_se2_ag2_m_011025.2517[Yeah.]1025.6341
798 1025.8299Yeah.1026.0770
799DCB_int_011026.1610Yup, yup, yup.1026.8173
801 1027.2136Um, cause I have to go to that grocery store sometime- [When I'm over]1029.6663 
802DCB_se2_ag2_m_011029.1161[Yeah.]1029.4518
803DCB_int_011029.8202at the Club.1030.6409
805 1031.0792Okay, so now I know-1032.0677 
807 1032.2356Now I'm a little [better oriented where you are.]1034.3374 
808DCB_se2_ag2_m_011033.1810[You know exactly what I'm talking about.]1034.3607
809 1034.5099[Fifteenth Place] is that street right there, by- across the street from the IHOP?1038.0351
810DCB_int_011034.5239[Yes.]1034.9762
811DCB_se2_ag2_m_011038.9059You see you know where the IHOP is right there?1040.3094
812DCB_int_011042.2725Like down from the Subway [and the] Giant?1044.2822
813DCB_se2_ag2_m_011043.6107[Yeah.]1043.8859
815 1044.2682The IHOP is right there.1045.2381 
816 1045.7172Fifteenth Street is that street- n- the long street right there.1048.7248
817DCB_int_011050.5480Now I'm gonna have to pay attention- [When I go back] over there I'm [gonna pay] attention to it.1053.7969
818DCB_se2_ag2_m_011051.6146[<laugh>]1052.1742
820 1052.6172[Yeah.]1053.0089 
821DCB_int_011054.4823Um,1055.0559
823 1055.9745so1056.4314 
825 1056.6832high school,1057.3022 
827 1057.4794/RD-SCHOOL-3/. Did your friends go there?1059.2980 
828DCB_se2_ag2_m_011059.8109No.1060.0720
830 1060.7061No, [my mother-] Okay, let me tell you this story.1062.9443 
831DCB_int_011060.9067[So how was that?]1061.6854
832 1063.0283Okay.1063.3127
833DCB_se2_ag2_m_011063.6380I was in /RD-SCHOOL-2/, right?1064.8456
835 1065.1021And1065.5917 
837 1065.9508I- I tell my mother this story all the time.1067.6434 
839 1068.5189I-1068.7298 
841 1069.2136In eighth grade I- I had too much fun.1070.9436 
843 1071.2840I was- I was enjoying myself. I was with my friends all the time. We wouldn't do- I didn't take school that seriously.1077.1907 
844DCB_int_011077.3119Mm.1077.5731
845DCB_se2_ag2_m_011078.0440So I got a F on my report card.1079.8019
847 1080.9012And my mother said, no, you're not gonna be with your friends no more.1083.1907 
848DCB_int_011083.9368[<laugh>]1084.8554
849DCB_se2_ag2_m_011084.2585[Mind you], I wanted to become a /fress/- professional basketball player. I thought I was that good at the time.1088.7770
850 1089.3446And I just joined uh, the basketball team,1091.6527
852 1091.9745and the coach, he loved me.1093.2474 
854 1093.9690So I begged my mom. I said, mom, please don't- Please let me go back to school cause I wanna play on the basketball team. She would not let me go.1099.4934 
856 1100.0669So she said, okay, I'm'a- I'm'a take you away from your friends,1102.8880 
858 1103.5315because she- she didn't like the fact that I got a F on my report card. I n- I always got good grades.1107.5451 
860 1108.0160I always got good grades.1109.0092 
862 1109.6247So she said, okay, I'm'a take you away from your friends, and I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.1112.3747 
864 1113.1581So I feel like she ruined my NBA career.1114.8927 
865DCB_int_011116.6214I'm sorry.1117.1437
866DCB_se2_ag2_m_011117.1903[<laugh>]1118.9855
867DCB_int_011117.6193[<laugh>]1119.0928
868 1119.9647I could be watching you on TV.1121.3030
869DCB_se2_ag2_m_011121.4196I don't think so, but in my- in- [in my head- in mine head], that's how I feel.1125.1954
870DCB_int_011123.2090[In your mind.]1124.2628
871 1125.2513[Okay.]1125.8482
872DCB_se2_ag2_m_011125.4938[<laugh>]1126.8600
873DCB_int_011126.1326[Well go- go.] I'm'a let you live in that fantasy. I'm not [gonna take that away from] you.1129.4561
874DCB_se2_ag2_m_011128.3102[<laugh>]1129.0189
875 1129.5867Please don't.1130.1416
876DCB_int_011130.1835I won't. So I coulda been watching you on [NBA TV.]1132.2725
877DCB_se2_ag2_m_011131.5171[Yeah, you coulda-] Yes, you coulda have.1133.0512
878DCB_int_011133.3636<ts> And the season starts soon.1134.6599
879DCB_se2_ag2_m_011134.6587Yeah.1134.8732
880DCB_int_011135.0644/Mm/, well we'll see what [happens.]1136.4120
881DCB_se2_ag2_m_011135.9410[<laugh>]1137.3586
882DCB_int_011136.7850[Um],1137.3446
883 1137.9881so how was high school, then?1139.3543
884DCB_se2_ag2_m_011139.7553When I went to- Okay.1140.6133
886 1140.9852Have- I don't think you ever seen /RD-SCHOOL-3/.1142.7291 
887DCB_int_011143.2000I haven't.1143.7036
888DCB_se2_ag2_m_011144.1699It looks like a church.1145.1072
890 1146.1190This school- This area right here is bigger than what my high school was.1149.1907 
892 1150.3658So when I first got there, I said-1152.1330 
894 1152.3708I said, okay Mom, where's the school?1153.8347 
896 1154.2255And she said, this is it. I said- I thought it was the place where you go to sign up to go [to the school.]1157.9045 
897DCB_int_011157.4615[<laugh>]1157.9605
898DCB_se2_ag2_m_011158.7298So I said-1159.4000
900 1160.0903I said, ma, I said, what is this? So, the hallways I could literally touch1163.9092 
902 1164.3755the- the hallways like this.1165.8944 
904 1166.2908<laugh> So,1168.3797 
906 1169.3543we- I'm walking through the hallways, and I'm just like- I felt like I was in jail.1172.3281 
908 1172.6964I just did not like the school. I was mad cause I wasn't with my friends.1175.9138 
909DCB_int_011176.0491Mm.1176.2915
910DCB_se2_ag2_m_011176.8966So,1177.4000
912 1177.6939I-1177.8571 
914 1178.0017I-1178.1695 
916 1178.6078I ain't gon-1178.8736 
918 1179.2280To be honest with you, I don't like to think about high school because I was so miserable throughout the whole four years.1183.2987 
919DCB_int_011183.9032You didn't develop new [friendships?]1185.2974
920DCB_se2_ag2_m_011184.9430[Of course] I developed new friendships. I still have friends from there to this day. Uh, I have two very good friends that I still talk to.1190.6585
921 1191.4221And the rest of the people I don't- I don't really wanna be associated with none of the people that went to that school.1196.7518
922DCB_int_011197.9537Was it mostly black? [Was it mixed?]1200.3084
923DCB_se2_ag2_m_011199.2080[Of course. I n- I- I] personally never went to school with1202.2715
924 1202.4114any white people. I haven't-1203.7019
926 1204.0563The first time me being introduced to white people was when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.1207.5861 
928 1208.3228So I've been1209.1062 
930 1210.4946around black people my whole life.1211.7116 
932 1211.8934I don't even know how it is to1213.6141 
934 1213.8239interact with white people.1214.8999 
936 1215.3055I mean I do now, but1216.2894 
937DCB_int_011216.3407Right.1216.6298
938DCB_se2_ag2_m_011216.8490when I was- I would say when I was nineteen years old, that's my first interaction with white people.1220.7098
940 1221.1482And my first initial reaction was1223.5297 
942 1224.2991white people really act how they act on TV.1226.3617 
944 1227.3848Like I thought that was crazy.1228.5039 
946 1228.6624Cause they really talk like that.1230.0986 
948 1231.0918I- I never experienced that before.1232.6679 
950 1234.6438So it was a- It was not- not necessarily culture shock, but it was just like, wow this is crazy.1239.1715 
952 1240.1728Cause I've been around black people my whole life.1241.8701 
953DCB_int_011242.7514Right. Cause1243.4182
955 1243.8938that neighborhoods that you were predominantly black, [if not all black.]1247.1987 
956DCB_se2_ag2_m_011246.1635[Hm, m- m- I] don't know about predom- They all black, [not predominantly] black. <laugh>1250.3788
957DCB_int_011248.8913[/All black./]1249.3623
958DCB_se2_ag2_m_011250.6352It's no-1251.1855
960 1251.3009not even Spanish people.1252.3034 
961DCB_int_011253.6230Mm.1254.4297
963 1254.7701Mkay.1255.2177 
965 1256.7471So do you feel like-1257.9863 
967 1258.1915I'm'a-1258.5645 
969 1258.7883I'm'a divert for a minute cause I do wanna ask you about college. But do you feel like,1262.2686 
971 1262.4114in thinking about the city, has it changed much, like when you [look around?]1266.0007 
972DCB_se2_ag2_m_011265.1614[Has it changed] [much?]1266.4763
973DCB_int_011266.2805[I know]1266.6722
974DCB_se2_ag2_m_011266.8120[<laugh>]1267.7027
975DCB_int_011266.9193[physically it's changed], but do you- Like, what changes do you see?1270.0609
976DCB_se2_ag2_m_011270.1868The changes I see- I never seen a white person1273.1571
978 1273.7959walking in Southeast. I never seen that before. I never thought I would see that in my life.1277.7536 
980 1278.4623And I'm walking around my old neighborhood, and I see a white person walking,1281.6844 
982 1281.9537with- with their dog, and I said, what is this? I said, that is crazy.1285.4275 
984 1285.9824Not necessarily saying it's a bad thing, but I just never thought I would see that1288.6904 
986 1289.6836in my life.1290.2991 
988 1291.1151So I'm- One, I'm wondering why do they feel that comfortable to live here?1295.1427 
990 1295.8608Cause I- me personally, I- I don't even wanna live there.1297.9405 
991DCB_int_011298.7751Mm.1299.0502
992DCB_se2_ag2_m_011299.1470So I don't know /how to-/1299.9677
994 1300.1402But I- I just think it's crazy.1301.5064 
996 1301.8561And uh, i- t- even in Northwest,1304.0850 
998 1304.4767like, it's- t- to see all those white people there, it's just crazy to me.1307.8142 
999DCB_int_011308.2385Even in Northwest?1309.1711
1000DCB_se2_ag2_m_011309.0871Because growing up, you never seen white people in DC.1311.5678
1001 1313.1707Never.1313.6090
1003 1315.2317And I- I- I wasn't familiar with the Georgetowns or the-1318.3687 
1005 1318.6111the George Washington- I weren't familiar with those areas,1320.7188 
1007 1321.2130so I would just be on1322.1410 
1009 1322.8019Georgia Avenue, Fourteenth Street, U Street,1324.9282 
1011 1325.7069uh,1326.0054 
1013 1326.2292those areas on down.1327.4238 
1014DCB_int_011327.8239Mm-hm.1328.1783
1015DCB_se2_ag2_m_011328.4114So I n- I- I- To see white people in DC is crazy to me.1331.0868
1016DCB_int_011332.0800How was U Street changed?1333.5628
1017DCB_se2_ag2_m_011333.5394U Street has changed dramatically.1335.4046
1018 1336.1682<laugh>1336.7697
1020 1337.2733[Dramatically.]1338.0333 
1021DCB_int_011337.2733[Tell me from your] perspective.1338.7468
1022DCB_se2_ag2_m_011338.6861Okay.1339.1897
1023 1339.3716So,1339.8379
1025 1341.4408back in- I wanna say the nineties1343.7069 
1027 1344.1872because I would /gro/ to my grandmother's house all the time.1347.1482 
1029 1347.8884All you would see was crackheads, heroine addicts,1351.1571 
1031 1351.8099and1352.1596 
1033 1352.7565dr-1352.8824 
1035 1353.1528drunks1353.7438 
1037 1354.1495just walking around.1355.0728 
1039 1355.6277Uh,1356.2525 
1041 1356.9519that's U Street,1358.0710 
1043 1358.1596uh, Georgia Avenue,1359.4839 
1045 1359.7812and Randolph Street, where my mother used to live.1361.4738 
1047 1361.7769Beside- My mother, my grandmother- Beside my grandmother house was a actual crackhouse.1365.3160 
1049 1366.1169People would go there just to smoke crack.1367.8422 
1051 1369.2737How do I know it as a child? Because that's all the adults would talk about.1372.3081 
1053 1373.5158[So],1374.2618 
1054DCB_int_011373.6416[Mm.]1374.2618
1055DCB_se2_ag2_m_011374.7374that's- that's my memory from uh,1376.6399
1057 1377.2449from Northwest.1378.0563 
1058DCB_int_011378.7417And so how do you see it now?1380.3178
1060 1380.4343Like what do you see when you think about-1382.3228 
1062 1382.4720when you think about where it was when you were a [child, but now] you go over to those parts.1386.8027 
1063DCB_se2_ag2_m_011384.9609[Yeah.]1385.3525
1064 1386.8354I'm still in- I'm still in shock.1388.2062
1066 1388.6259I'm still shocked. E- Even when I- Cause I don't travel to the Northwest that often,1391.7955 
1067DCB_int_011391.7909Mm.1392.0473
1068DCB_se2_ag2_m_011392.0846Even when I go in those areas, I'm still like,1394.0617
1070 1394.4487look at all these buildings and look at all these people. Like, to me it's like a mini New York. Like, it's just so many people.1399.7959 
1072 1400.7192It's- it's like a shock like, it's just crazy to me.1403.1054 
1074 1403.5531And sometimes I aks the adults, I say, how do y'all-1405.5488 
1076 1406.0897how do y'all feel about1407.2263 
1078 1407.4408how it looks now from when y'all was younger?1409.6463 
1080 1409.8515And it's- They don't- No- I don't think nobody's a- Other- No one- No one's amazed other than me.1413.6284 
1082 1413.9257So I don't understand it.1414.7324 
1084 1414.8303But they just like-1415.4505 
1086 1416.1219They ju- I think everybody else is still- still can't believe that they built all these buildings and-1419.9537 
1088 1420.8443and how nice it look, and the white people walking around like it's nothing.1424.0430 
1089DCB_int_011425.0502[Do you] believe gentrification is real?1426.8723
1090DCB_se2_ag2_m_011425.1108[But-]1425.2834
1091 1427.7256I believe it's real, and I think it's- I think it's good. Me personally, I think it's a good thing.1431.0502
1093 1431.6692Because the way1432.5505 
1095 1433.1334DC was is not like how it was.1435.1991 
1097 1436.8031So,1437.2974 
1099 1437.7252I think- I think progress is always good.1440.0427 
1101 1440.6535I just wish they would cross the bridge and start gentrification over there.1443.5911 
1102DCB_int_011444.5738Mm, wards seven and eight.1445.5484
1103DCB_se2_ag2_m_011446.0147Mm-hm.1446.4483
1104DCB_int_011448.0151It's coming.1448.5886
1105DCB_se2_ag2_m_011449.0024I [see.]1449.4081
1106DCB_int_011449.1190[The fact] that you can see1450.3873
1107 1451.5018her walking in t- ward-1452.8727
1109 1453.0265in1453.4602 
1111 1453.9078[Southeast.]1454.8451 
1112DCB_se2_ag2_m_011454.5000[Yeah.]1454.8451
1113 1455.4174But that was one person though.1456.5925
1115 1457.3339In Northwest, you see white people everywhere.1459.2410 
1117 1459.8659An- and in Northeast.1460.7938 
1118DCB_int_011463.1474I think it's coming.1463.9494
1119DCB_se2_ag2_m_011464.4343I mean I'm- I- I can't wait til it comes.1466.1829
1121 1466.3694I think it'll be nice.1467.1610 
1122DCB_int_011467.8558Would you consider moving [back to the c-] Okay.1469.8095
1123DCB_se2_ag2_m_011468.6438[No, I won't.]1469.2220
1125 1469.6976[<laugh>]1470.5136 
1126DCB_int_011470.1639[<laugh>]1471.1571
1127DCB_se2_ag2_m_011470.9706[Nah], I don't wanna live in [DC.]1472.0244
1128DCB_int_011471.7213[You're like], No, I'm good. [Okay.] So how did you- okay, let's go back to college then.1475.5904
1129DCB_se2_ag2_m_011472.9791[Nah.]1473.3102
1130DCB_int_011475.8235Um, how did you1477.1804
1132 1478.0524get to /RD-SCHOOL-2/?1478.8917 
1133DCB_se2_ag2_m_011479.3568Okay. I got to /RD-SCHOOL-2/- One of my teachers at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was affiliated or a alumni.1485.4746
1135 1486.3640Did I say it right?1486.8303 
1136DCB_int_011486.9609[Mm-hm.]1487.3805
1137DCB_se2_ag2_m_011487.1987[<laugh>]1487.8655
1138 1488.1965Alumni of /RD-SCHOOL-3/.1489.4322
1140 1490.2016So um,1491.3067 
1142 1491.6926<ts>1491.7905 
1144 1492.3500when I took my- I- I always got good grades. I uh- I had a1495.4275 
1146 1495.6047three point1496.1969 
1148 1496.3368three GPA, which I was in the top ten in my class.1498.9702 
1150 1499.7116I don't- I- I never test well.1501.2457 
1152 1501.9638So I got1502.4720 
1154 1503.1202way below average scores on my SATs. [So], every school that I applied to I didn't get in.1507.7539 
1155DCB_int_011505.3432[Mm.]1505.6836
1156DCB_se2_ag2_m_011508.3648So I got accepted to Kentucky Un- No,1510.3314
1158 1511.0261K- No.1511.6137 
1160 1512.2432Is it Ken- Yeah, Kentucky University.1513.7120 
1162 1514.8497And I was gonna go there, but he said that uh,1517.3059 
1164 1517.4878he can get me in the summer program at /RD-SCHOOL-4/1519.8938 
1166 1520.5746to take uh, ten credits1522.1635 
1168 1522.4479um, in the- during the summer time. So I said, that's cool.1524.6395 
1170 1525.1944So I was gonna d- take those ten credits and then go to Kentucky,1527.9454 
1172 1528.8023but when I got there, I loved it.1530.4437 
1174 1531.1105I loved the people that I was with, so I decided to stay.1533.6424 
1176 1534.4899Now,1534.8769 
1178 1537.2364when I got there-1538.3135 
1180 1538.4953I'm- I'm not1539.3393 
1182 1540.0469the-1540.6904 
1184 1541.3152I'm not a person who wants to be hood or who wants to be1544.6679 
1186 1545.3020representing1545.9309 
1188 1546.1309the hood or nothing like that. When I got to college, I wanted to be in college.1549.2130 
1190 1549.8519So when I got to /RD-SCHOOL-2/,1550.9476 
1192 1551.4314it was a culture shock for me.1552.6018 
1194 1554.2338All I know is DC.1555.2690 
1195DCB_int_011556.0197Mm.1556.1876
1196DCB_se2_ag2_m_011556.2902All I knew was DC at the time.1557.4372
1198 1557.9583So when I got to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, I met people from1559.7909 
1200 1560.0566Philly, New Jersey, New York,1562.0477 
1202 1562.5187and Baltimore.1563.3160 
1204 1565.0774So, t- th- these people, they talk different. They don't dress like we dress. They don't1569.8744 
1206 1570.0936talk like- I mean they don't-1571.4505 
1208 1571.7536They don't have the same mindset that we have.1573.4415 
1210 1573.8052And a lot of- a lot of the people there,1575.9444 
1212 1576.0982majority of the people there-1577.1147 
1214 1577.9401Their focus was on where they- where they was from.1580.2435 
1216 1581.5247So, I'm from New York, I'm better than you. I'm from Philly, I'm better than you.1585.0405 
1218 1585.3809You- you don't go harder than me.1586.7425 
1220 1587.4035I didn't like that1588.1355 
1222 1588.5599cause I'm like, okay. I already left DC where that- that is going on. I don't wanna deal with this anymore.1592.8451 
1224 1593.5014So the teachers1594.9562 
1226 1595.1008was excellent though.1596.1219 
1228 1596.5276The teachers, everybody there was good. The staff, everybody was good.1599.9257 
1230 1600.4106I just couldn't take the student body.1601.7302 
1232 1602.9706So my first year there, I was miserable.1604.7705 
1234 1607.0961So I decided to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ because I wanted to experience something different.1610.6259 
1236 1611.8278I wanted to know what it was like to go to school around white people and be around white people, and I wanted-1615.4415 
1238 1615.6933And it was in the mountains, so I wanted somewhere where I could study and h- it didn't have any distractions.1619.9074 
1239DCB_int_011621.5581And how did you get to- Like how did you ch-1624.0283
1241 1624.1682from /RD-SCHOOL-2/ to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, like what made you say, oh, I'm gonna go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.1627.9702 
1242DCB_se2_ag2_m_011627.9358<ts>1628.0430
1243 1628.7098I'm not sure to be truthfully honest with you. I don't know where that connection came from, but I know that me and my friends went on a visit there.1634.8357
1244DCB_int_011635.2321Mm.1635.4233
1245DCB_se2_ag2_m_011635.7998My friends from uh, college. No, f- my friends from high school.1638.5043
1247 1639.2643And I liked it.1640.1596 
1249 1640.3275I really liked it. I really liked1641.6550 
1251 1641.8993the atmosphere. I liked the- the people. I liked the buildings.1645.1431 
1253 1645.7120Cause /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was, you know, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was started in eighteen fifty or something like that. I forgot when they started, but it was a hundred and fifty years old, so they had old buildings.1652.4067 
1254DCB_int_011652.6352Mm.1652.9243
1255DCB_se2_ag2_m_011653.1668Not that that matters anyway, but I just liked the buildings at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ cause they were so new.1656.7841
1257 1657.6887So I said, okay, I wanna go here. So I applied, and I got accepted, and then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.1661.1800 
1258DCB_int_011661.7349After your first year at [/RD-SCHOOL-2/.]1662.9855
1259DCB_se2_ag2_m_011662.8727[Yeah.]1663.1431
1260DCB_int_011663.1664So you finished your freshman year [out],1664.5886
1261DCB_se2_ag2_m_011664.3881[Yeah.]1664.6352
1262DCB_int_011664.7238and then you started there?1665.8276
1263DCB_se2_ag2_m_011665.8278Yeah.1666.0656
1264DCB_int_011666.1076So tell me how was that experience? When you moved from-1669.1851
1266 1669.4555<clears throat>1669.8052 
1268 1670.3042Was it another culture shock?1671.4734 
1269DCB_se2_ag2_m_011672.8256I wouldn't say a shock. I would say it was- Because they-1675.8659
1271 1676.1503at /RD-SCHOOL-2/,1677.0036 
1273 1677.7065it was- I'm not gonna say segregated, but you had your black people who hung together,1681.3110 
1275 1681.8285and the white people who hung together.1683.3440 
1277 1684.0423So you had- they had black parties and- I wouldn't necessarily say they had white parties, but they had black parties.1688.5746 
1279 1689.5154And the black1690.2288 
1281 1690.4153people would hang together.1691.2546 
1283 1691.5018So,1691.8515 
1285 1692.3364it w- you would rarely see1693.8845 
1287 1694.0990black and white people1695.2181 
1289 1696.0423hanging together, but1697.0634 
1291 1697.9401the reason why I would talk to white people- I was- Because of my major.1701.3712 
1293 1701.6553I m- I majored in Mechanical Engineering.1703.3059 
1295 1703.8282So those though- Those are the people I would see in my classes. So that's how I w- I was able to introduce, to have conversations with them, and to1709.6370 
1297 1710.1219go to parties that they would go to and stuff like that, so1712.5886 
1299 1713.1202my experience at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was good. I liked it.1715.7862 
1300DCB_int_011716.3131What social activities did you do?1717.7819
1301DCB_se2_ag2_m_011718.3275Um,1718.8684
1303 1720.2894as far as [spo-]1721.4411 
1304DCB_int_011721.0634[Like outside] of the classroom.1722.3457
1305DCB_se2_ag2_m_011722.5369Uh, I'm-1723.1338
1307 1723.2270I'm a sports fanatic. I played basketball all the time. I would go to the gym.1726.4526 
1309 1727.1800Um,1727.8328 
1311 1728.0054I wasn't a party person, but I did go to some of the parties.1730.8917 
1313 1731.6319I didn't drink until I got out of college.1733.5904 
1314DCB_int_011734.0660Mm.1734.4390
1315DCB_se2_ag2_m_011734.4437<laugh>1734.9146
1317 1735.6933So,1736.1783 
1319 1736.2995but um,1736.9780 
1321 1737.1656I- That's about it. Uh, I was- Of course, I'm into the females, so I would go1740.9752 
1323 1741.2130to the female's dorm rooms and stuff like that, so.1743.4326 
1324DCB_int_011744.0283Did you um, pledge?1745.3292
1325DCB_se2_ag2_m_011745.7442No, I did not pledge.1746.7328
1326DCB_int_011747.1571Did y'all have- I don't- I don't /RD-SCHOOL-2/. [Did they have fraternities] and was it- was Greek life [big?]1751.8343
1327DCB_se2_ag2_m_011748.9139[Yeah, they have it. Yeah.]1749.9117
1329 1751.4272[Yeah.]1751.7769 
1330 1751.9820Not- no, it wasn't big.1753.1571
1331DCB_int_011753.2690Uh-huh.1753.6467
1332DCB_se2_ag2_m_011753.6840It was- It was i- It was there, it wasn't big.1755.3999
1334 1755.7485At /RD-SCHOOL-2/ it was extremely big.1757.9401 
1335DCB_int_011758.0067[Right. I mean]1759.1851
1336DCB_se2_ag2_m_011758.0520[<laugh>]1758.7374
1337DCB_int_011759.6887you had a [black-]1760.4907
1338DCB_se2_ag2_m_011760.4301[Yeah] yeah yeah, it was- it was even /ran/ the school, so. But was I ever interested?1764.4343
1339 1765.1384I wouldn't-1765.8379
1341 1766.5140I thought about it, but no, I was never interested in joining Greek.1769.5027 
1342DCB_int_011769.6883Alpha.1770.0380
1343DCB_se2_ag2_m_011770.9473<laugh>1771.5115
1344DCB_int_011771.8285[I don't know.]1772.3694
1345DCB_se2_ag2_m_011771.9544[That's-]1772.2762
1346 1772.5373that's the one I w- I consider, but n- I [said nah.]1775.1847
1347DCB_int_011774.6624[I mean you just] look like, if I had to cons- If I had to1777.5814
1348 1777.9032say, mm, he's a-1779.1621
1350 1779.4035I would say, [Alpha.]1780.4060 
1351DCB_se2_ag2_m_011779.9304[Yeah.]1780.1868
1352DCB_int_011780.9142Mm-hm.1781.2919
1354 1781.3992Maybe Iota.1782.2898 
1355DCB_se2_ag2_m_011783.2410I don't even know what that is.1784.3834
1356DCB_int_011784.9756Oh.1785.3253
1357DCB_se2_ag2_m_011785.4547<laugh>1786.2708
1358DCB_int_011786.2288Mkay, well,1786.7930
1359 1786.9609nevermind then.1787.7163
1361 1788.3131Um,1788.9239 
1363 1789.4602so1790.0990 
1365 1790.3834when you say that people1791.6180 
1367 1791.9444dress different, they talk different, they had a different mindset.1794.9799 
1368DCB_se2_ag2_m_011795.3576Okay.1795.7213
1370 1795.8379When I went to- it was two thousand six when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.1798.8210 
1372 1799.5297And I would wear th- I had on my New Balance cause that's you know that's- I don't know if you know but that's all we do now- That's all we wear.1804.6485 
1374 1805.7629So,1806.3644 
1376 1806.7001the dude said-1807.5907 
1378 1807.6980he said, What are those? I said, Uh, these are New Balance. These are nine nine- I think at the time it was nine nine o-1811.2033 
1380 1811.3479nine- nine nine ones at the time.1813.6467 
1382 1814.5979And, I said, These nine nine ones.1816.0936 
1384 1816.2987And he said, You got on old people shoes?1817.8468 
1386 1818.1406And I said, No. I said, These are- I said, These are nine nine ones. I said, Do you know how much these cost?1821.5445 
1388 1822.1402And they couldn't believe they was over a hundred dollars. They thought I payed like fifty or som- fifty dollars or something for 'em.1826.3140 
1390 1827.0223And he was like, Oh, okay.1828.0050 
1392 1828.2195So1828.5832 
1394 1828.7324the next- When we got to school in the- in the fall, I started seeing people wearing New- New Balances.1833.7532 
1396 1834.3407[<laugh>]1835.1241 
1397DCB_int_011834.7557[<laugh>]1835.8701
1398DCB_se2_ag2_m_011836.1079This is crazy. But yeah, they- At the time, they didn't like New Balance. They thought Nike boots was wack.1840.5878
1400 1841.1987They didn't- They didn't- U- My clothes actually fit.1843.4136 
1402 1843.7679At the time, they were still wearing baggy clothes, or they didn't like that my clothes fit, so.1847.1241 
1404 1847.8375Uh, I would say certain things, like um,1850.0897 
1406 1851.7998like carry out.1852.6298 
1408 1852.9749I would say, Let's go to the carry out. They said, What's that?1854.7654 
1410 1855.4835They- I said, The carry out. They say, Uh, Chinese food. They said, You mean the Chinese-1859.1614 
1412 1859.3479Chinese f-1859.8375 
1414 1859.9867uh-1860.3831 
1416 1861.1011Chinese place? I said, No, it's called a carry out.1862.6819 
1418 1863.6366So yeah, stuff like that.1865.0075 
1420 1865.4178Um,1866.0193 
1422 1867.5068what was different for me for them?1869.3580 
1424 1869.8231Like the way Philly people talk. Like I thought it was funny.1872.4204 
1426 1872.9612They say back or they say uh-1875.0316 
1428 1875.5527they say jawn.1876.4386 
1429DCB_int_011878.6115And do you have a word for that too?1879.9032
1430DCB_se2_ag2_m_011880.0664Joint.1880.5187
1432 1880.9698They say jawn. We say joint.1882.1868 
1433DCB_int_011882.4526Mm.1882.8490
1434DCB_se2_ag2_m_011882.9329Yeah.1883.3199
1435DCB_int_011884.3551What-1884.8120
1437 1885.4462When you say they think differently, what do you mean?1887.6180 
1438DCB_se2_ag2_m_011888.4759[<sigh> I wish I] could give you an example. I got- I will have to think about that one. But their mentality from us is extremely different.1894.8536
1439DCB_int_011888.4759[/Like can you give me an exam-/]1889.7489
1440DCB_se2_ag2_m_011897.3809I know New York1898.0057
1442 1898.0990f- New York didn't e- What I f- uh, thought about the New York people, they a little bit more fast pace. Like they-1902.9473 
1444 1904.0897they're-1904.6958 
1446 1905.1610they can talk a good game. Like, they're- they're- they are real hustlers. Like,1908.4483 
1447DCB_int_011908.5089<laugh>1909.3809
1448DCB_se2_ag2_m_011909.3949uh, Ph-1910.1923
1450 1910.6119Ph- What I thought from Philly people, they-1912.1962 
1452 1914.1406i-1914.3691 
1454 1915.6514if you wasn't hard, or if you didn't act street like, you wasn't accepted.1919.0728 
1456 1920.3877Um,1921.0312 
1458 1921.3203the way they dress was a lot different.1922.9103 
1460 1923.1470They wear a lot of uh,1924.2754 
1462 1924.7510Dickies,1925.3619 
1464 1925.9774like Dickie pants and stuff like that (laughing).1927.8752 
1466 1929.1015Um,1929.7590 
1468 1930.1775New Jersey people, they was cool.1931.7629 
1470 1932.3271They- they kind of- They kind of remind me of the Philly people I guess cause t-1935.6040 
1472 1935.8558/probably- t-/1936.4246 
1474 1936.5226probably- they probably was close.1937.6883 
1476 1938.6861Uh, Baltimore people-1939.7586 
1478 1939.9405I don't know if you know, but DC and Baltimore people don't get along that well.1943.3665 
1480 1943.5764I don't-1943.9028 
1482 1944.7328I don't know where it came from- I don't know why, but I- I just don't personally like people from Baltimore.1949.4691 
1483DCB_int_011949.5297Can you tell me like, what it's about? I-1952.1130
1484DCB_se2_ag2_m_011952.1270I have no idea- It just- it just g- I guess, if you grew up in the area, you just-1956.0566
1486 1956.3737you just grew up like that. We always-1958.0477 
1488 1958.4674When I grew up,1959.1202 
1490 1959.2729when we think of Baltimore people, we say bamas, Baltimore bamas. That's all we-1962.4950 
1492 1963.2364I don't know why.1963.9544 
1494 1964.2948I just know we don't like Baltimore for some reason.1966.7277 
1496 1967.6696[I have no i-]1968.1825 
1497DCB_int_011967.7396[And they don't] like DC [people?]1969.1711
1498DCB_se2_ag2_m_011968.8260[No.] Like, you would never see a p- somebody from Baltimore in DC,1971.8371
1499 1972.2101and you never see somebody from DC in Baltimore.1974.3734
1501 1974.5649It just doesn't go.1975.3623 
1503 1976.0570Like I've been to Baltimore probably three times in my life.1978.2568 
1504DCB_int_011980.4250You're not the first person I heard say that, and I-1982.3694
1506 1982.6073but nobody really [knows what the beef is about, right?] Like we can say, you know, we know there's like,1987.5427 
1507DCB_se2_ag2_m_011983.4967[Know why. <laugh> Yeah.]1985.2220
1508DCB_int_011988.1037Woodland Terrace,1989.2041
1510 1989.4408Parkland, like,1990.7417 
1512 1991.1334Berry Farms. We know they got beef. That's just neighborhood turf [beef.]1994.1943 
1513DCB_se2_ag2_m_011993.8565[Yeah.]1994.1783
1514DCB_int_011994.7145But1994.9989
1516 1995.6180DC and Baltimore are like,1996.7930 
1518 1997.0168forty five minutes to an hour apart.1998.7048 
1520 1999.0592I don't know why they got beef.2000.0524 
1521DCB_se2_ag2_m_012000.3415I have no idea where it comes from.2001.8418
1522DCB_int_012003.2127Yeah, I don't either.2004.1639
1524 2004.5463If you ever find out, [let me know.]2006.0244 
1525DCB_se2_ag2_m_012005.4369[<laugh> No], if you ever find out, let me [know. <laugh>]2008.3034
1526DCB_int_012006.8264[Let you know? <laugh>]2008.3081
1527 2008.6718Um,2009.2080
1529 2010.3504so thinking about2011.4648 
1531 2012.8124kind of this- You talk about if you go to Baltimore - It's forty five minutes. You've been there three times.2016.2525 
1533 2016.7421Think about DC.2017.6141 
1535 2017.8285DC is the nation's capital. So tourist-y place.2021.1101 
1537 2021.6323Have you ever been a tourist in your town?2023.6467 
1538DCB_se2_ag2_m_012024.0990I haven't, when I got older- Uh,2025.7578
1540 2026.0563I- I told my friend when I was in school in /RD-SCHOOL-2/, I said, I've never seen the White House before.2029.7539 
1542 2030.6865I n- d- I never seen the White- I- I didn't see the White House until I would say, I was twenty two years old.2035.4835 
1544 2036.7553I n- I didn- I didn't know where it was at.2038.4200 
1546 2038.6811<laugh> I didn't know how to find it.2039.9914 
1548 2040.9100So, that's- that lets you know how much-2042.8497 
1550 2043.9817I don't- it's- it's not that we can't go to this, but2046.3737 
1552 2046.5089for some reason our mentality is2048.1783 
1554 2048.5979just in this one area.2049.7497 
1556 2049.9956Like it was rare-2050.6997 
1558 2050.9236Only reason why I crossed that bridge is to go to my grandmother's house.2053.8332 
1560 2054.3368Other than that, I will always be in Southeast.2056.0329 
1561DCB_int_012057.8328Have you done any of the other stuff? Like the monuments,2061.0223
1562DCB_se2_ag2_m_012061.6040Not [until I got older], no.2063.0728
1563DCB_int_012061.9490[the capitol-]2062.9422
1564DCB_se2_ag2_m_012063.1754Oh yeah! Oh yeah, we would take school trips there.2065.0219
1566 2065.1524Yeah.2065.3669 
1567DCB_int_012065.7353[/Well, yeah/]2066.0710
1568DCB_se2_ag2_m_012065.7400[We would], yeah, as a uh- in elementary school.2067.6657
1569DCB_int_012068.2474But what made you as an adult say, You know what? I need to go [be a tourist.]2071.5628
1570DCB_se2_ag2_m_012070.7374[I mean I just got older.] I just- I- I'm a- I'm a fan of history, so I wanted to2075.2360
1571 2076.0147explore these museums and these monuments and2078.4534
1573 2078.7098so I just got older, and I just wanted to see the stuff.2081.0075 
1574DCB_int_012081.0634Do you have a favorite one?2081.8701
1575DCB_se2_ag2_m_012083.3949<sigh> Well of course it would have to be Martin Luther King.2085.5119
1577 2086.9469<laugh>2087.5251 
1579 2087.9541I love Martin Luther King, but uh, other than that um,2090.3741 
1581 2090.8311I'm a big- I'm a big uh, Lincoln fan.2092.6065 
1582DCB_int_012093.3185Mm.2093.7062
1583DCB_se2_ag2_m_012093.8251Big Abraham Lincoln fan. I s- I studied Abraham Lincoln, so it's- it's nothing you can aks me that I wouldn't be an answer.2099.2480
1584DCB_int_012100.2122Actually I [wouldn't be able to ask you much cause I'm] not very knowledgable.2103.0231
1585DCB_se2_ag2_m_012100.5294[<laugh>2101.7630
1586 2103.0495Yeah, I s- I study history. Like, I- I love history.2105.5960
1587DCB_int_012106.1461So how'd you g- become- How did you get into mechanical engineering?2109.3094
1588DCB_se2_ag2_m_012109.4592Okay.2109.7676
1590 2110.0496That's a good question.2110.9836 
1592 2111.2700When I was thirteen years old, I would watch the2113.7190 
1594 2114.3314History Channel, Discovery Channel all the time.2116.1201 
1595DCB_int_012116.1289Mm-hm.2116.5166
1596DCB_se2_ag2_m_012116.6576And they had this show called uh-2118.3758
1598 2118.8863I forgot. Majoring in Engineering or something?2120.9394 
1600 2121.3623And they would always show how2122.7589 
1602 2122.8691these people build these big tall buildings and stuff like that.2125.6220 
1604 2125.9877So initially I wanted to become a civil engineer,2128.0628 
1605DCB_int_012128.3360Mm-hm.2128.6796
1606DCB_se2_ag2_m_012128.9748and then, as I got older, I got2130.4325
1608 2130.5603um,2131.1330 
1610 2131.6132introduced to cars, and I started to become a cars fan.2133.9042 
1612 2134.3580So I wanted to design engines.2135.7899 
1614 2136.2386So that's when- that's where mechanical engineering came from.2138.3886 
1615DCB_int_012139.6134And now you don't do any of that.2141.1321
1616DCB_se2_ag2_m_012141.2480<ts>2141.4639
1618 2141.7194Well,2142.2921 
1620 2143.9084When I was in /RD-SCHOOL-2/-2145.1663 
1622 2145.6002Actually when I started uh,2147.4242 
1624 2147.8824/RD-SCHOOL-2/,2148.4155 
1626 2148.6748I had to take- My- my major was /calcul-/ physics because they didn't have mechanical engineering there.2152.9131 
1628 2153.6225So, I started to get into2155.6881 
1630 2156.6838calculus.2157.5782 
1632 2158.3933Um,2159.1202 
1634 2159.6489I had chemistry before, but I- my d- instructor wasn't good.2162.5296 
1636 2162.9173Ph- uh, physics,2164.2258 
1638 2165.0894and uh, all these /sinuses/- all these sciences and math.2167.7851 
1640 2167.9613I was always good at math in high school.2169.5033 
1642 2169.7676[That's why] I didn't have issues with taking it.2171.2436 
1643DCB_int_012169.7897[Mm.]2170.0628
1644DCB_se2_ag2_m_012171.6747But when I got to2172.5559
1646 2172.7629calculus, it-2173.2387 
1648 2173.4590my school didn't offer calculus. The highest math we had was algebra two.2176.8735 
1650 2178.2166So when I got to-2178.9656 
1652 2179.1506to school,2179.8732 
1654 2180.0802I wasn't passing these classes or getting these good grades cause I- I didn't- I never seen it before. I didn't understand it.2184.8687 
1655DCB_int_012184.9832Mm.2185.2740
1656DCB_se2_ag2_m_012185.5780I was never taught it.2186.3358
1658 2187.4592So when I got to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, I had to ta- I took um,2190.5559 
1660 2192.0714Calculus three times,2193.1464 
1662 2194.4858<ts>2194.6664 
1664 2195.0541I barely passed Physics,2196.5647 
1666 2197.9569and I was in Physics Two, and I didn't too well in that class wither.2201.2436 
1668 2201.9875So uh, they-2202.6087 
1670 2202.9171uh, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ put me on academic probation.2204.8468 
1672 2205.4636And then the next semester, I didn't get the grades that I was supposed to get.2207.9529 
1674 2208.6396So they didn't um-2209.7542 
1676 2210.6882they didn't approve my financial aid.2212.2435 
1678 2213.1026So I had to drop out.2213.8427 
1680 2214.5250So when I dropped out, I came home and worked.2216.2036 
1682 2216.7984And I never went back to school to finish.2218.2963 
1684 2219.2744So that's why I'm not in those fields.2221.0317 
1685DCB_int_012221.7322Gotcha.2222.2741
1686DCB_se2_ag2_m_012222.8601But I am- I do wanna2224.2214
1688 2224.5563go back and finish and2226.4016 
1690 2226.7629potentially get into those fields.2228.1904 
1691DCB_int_012228.9350So what do you think you- What-2230.0937
1693 2230.3007If you had to say, that's my dream job, what would that be?2232.7629 
1694DCB_se2_ag2_m_012232.7541To be engineer,2233.4899
1695 2234.0318a mechanical engineer.2235.0143
1696DCB_int_012236.6884Do you have a specific kind of car that you would [really] like to-2239.9040
1697DCB_se2_ag2_m_012239.0185[<ts>]2239.1594
1698 2239.9260I don't necessarily have a car, but I always wanted to design engines, like any engine. [Like, it c- it could be a plane engine], boat engine.2246.9922
1699DCB_int_012244.6263[Any kind of engine. Ah, gotcha.]2245.9745
1700DCB_se2_ag2_m_012248.3095So it doesn't matter.2249.1819
1701DCB_int_012250.1241Wow.2250.7189
1703 2251.0405And that's a big, like-2252.4679 
1705 2252.8160STEM in general2253.8161 
1706DCB_se2_ag2_m_012253.8293[Yeah.]2254.1333
1707DCB_int_012253.9967[is] just like a big deal. It's the- the buzz word these days, [so.]2257.9216
1708DCB_se2_ag2_m_012257.3313[Yeah.]2257.6132
1709DCB_int_012258.7147Alright.2259.1464
1711 2259.5826I'll be looking out for your [/name/.]2261.2039 
1712DCB_se2_ag2_m_012260.6179[<laugh>]2261.1995
1713DCB_int_012261.4192[Design] me some kind of engine or something, I don't know.2263.8159
1714DCB_se2_ag2_m_012261.5646[<laugh>]2262.0228
1715 2263.9833[Mm.]2264.2344
1716DCB_int_012264.0009[I don't know] what I would need an engine for, outside of my car, but2267.1731
1717 2268.6880if I need one I'll call you.2269.7146
1718DCB_se2_ag2_m_012269.8203Okay.2270.3005
1719DCB_int_012270.4107Um,2270.8468
1721 2271.2918so-2271.8205 
1723 2272.1598so you got older. You love Abraham Lincoln.2274.4581 
1724DCB_se2_ag2_m_012275.2872No I d- As a child, I /always been interested in history/. I been uh- I've always watched the History Channel.2279.4771
1726 2280.4237Like I [just al-] always love history.2282.1023 
1727DCB_int_012280.6616[Really?]2281.0713
1728 2283.3491Where'd that come- It just-2284.1774
1729DCB_se2_ag2_m_012284.3360[I- I don't know, sparked] my int- I have no idea where it came from. I just al- I guess just2288.1816
1730DCB_int_012284.3360[something just-]2284.9660
1731DCB_se2_ag2_m_012288.3975flipping channels, and I just- All of a sudden, something would come on, /and I-/2291.0850
1733 2291.6709And I just look at it. <laugh>2293.3401 
1735 2293.8644So I- I guess that's where it sparked from, but I don't know where it comes from.2296.7589 
1736DCB_int_012297.0012So how'd you end up at your current2298.3268
1738 2298.5514job?2298.9259 
1739DCB_se2_ag2_m_012299.0273<ts>2299.1815
1741 2299.3709Um,2300.1463 
1743 2300.2873I- I worked for /RD-WORK-1/, the /RD-WORK-5/2302.9175 
1745 2303.1334/RD-WORK-19/,2304.8070 
1747 2305.5515and someone told me that uh, /RD-WORK-6/ was hiring.2307.9174 
1749 2308.1465So I just applied,2309.1334 
1751 2309.5778and I got it.2310.1241 
1753 2310.2827I don't know how I got it, but I got it.2311.6485 
1754DCB_int_012312.6045So this is my a random question, and it's just my own personal interest. How do you know /RD-NAME-3/?2316.3582
1755DCB_se2_ag2_m_012316.4149<ts>2316.5823
1757 2316.7453/RD-NAME-3/ started with us last June.2319.0495 
1758DCB_int_012319.4725Mm-hm.2319.7676
1759DCB_se2_ag2_m_012320.3712And um,2321.4550
1761 2321.8862one of my coworkers introduced me to /RD-NAME-3/.2323.8732 
1763 2324.6177And I don't know why I took interest to /RD-NAME-3/, but we just starting having these conversations, and we just became friends.2330.4274 
1765 2330.6970I- I to- I- I never told him about it, but I look at him as my big brother cause I always ask him [questions.]2335.2123 
1766DCB_int_012334.8863[Aw.]2335.4899
1767DCB_se2_ag2_m_012336.0097So yeah.2336.4812
1768DCB_int_012336.9350Can I tell him that [or-]2337.8763
1769DCB_se2_ag2_m_012337.7632[Of] course you can tell [him.] <laugh>2339.1863
1770DCB_int_012338.3712[Oh.]2338.6003
1771 2339.2876I mean I could not- [I could cut it off and like], say,2341.8908
1772DCB_se2_ag2_m_012340.0888[<laugh>]2341.3797
1773DCB_int_012342.0890No, /RD-NAME-3/, I can't tell you.2343.2517
1775 2343.4636Um, but I wouldn't.2344.4285 
1777 2345.0938Um,2345.6533 
1779 2345.9126so,2346.4369 
1781 2346.7585now,2347.1110 
1783 2348.3886you said you wouldn't move back to DC. How'd you end up in2351.3978 
1785 2351.7848Alexandria? [Are you Alexandria] or Arlington?2354.0362 
1786DCB_se2_ag2_m_012352.7056[Because-]2353.0757
1787 2354.0494Alexandria. [It's because] of where I work. I work in Crystal City,2356.4946
1788DCB_int_012354.5296[Mm.]2354.8204
1789DCB_se2_ag2_m_012356.7501Arlington, Virginia.2357.4771
1791 2357.6086So I got tired of um,2358.6880 
1793 2359.6309<ts>2359.8247 
1795 2360.1463traveling across the bridge, so I just- just decided to live in Virginia.2363.1819 
1796DCB_int_012364.9083And that was the only reason?2365.8644
1797DCB_se2_ag2_m_012365.9040Only reason.2366.4415
1799 2366.7763I have no reason to be in Virginia.2368.0849 
1801 2368.4329To be honest with you, I never kn- I never really knew about Virginia until I w- started working in Virginia.2372.2433 
1803 2373.0010I w- I n- I would never come to Virginia. I have no reason to- I had no reason to come over to Virginia.2377.0801 
1804DCB_int_012377.4943Do you hang out in Virginia?2378.6618
1805DCB_se2_ag2_m_012379.2434N-2380.2038
1807 2380.3933no.2380.9175 
1808DCB_int_012382.2430So you just live there,2383.2696
1809DCB_se2_ag2_m_012383.2255Yeah.2383.4546
1810DCB_int_012383.4370work there,2384.1067
1811 2384.4151but you hang out in DC?2385.6707
1812DCB_se2_ag2_m_012385.6443I would hang out in DC, yes.2387.1510
1813 2387.4374DC, yeah.2387.9875
1815 2388.1329That's it. Yeah.2388.7541 
1817 2388.9480<laugh>2389.6705 
1818DCB_int_012390.2653Hm.2390.8865
1820 2391.7324Do you see it- Is it different?2392.9616 
1821DCB_se2_ag2_m_012393.3934Is V-2393.7238
1823 2393.8950DC different from Virginia?2395.1198 
1824DCB_int_012395.8203Mm-hm.2396.1287
1825DCB_se2_ag2_m_012396.1375Yes.2396.4679
1827 2399.5387Why?2399.9485 
1828DCB_int_012400.2166Like [how?]2400.9964
1829DCB_se2_ag2_m_012400.5162[<laugh>]2401.0008
1830 2401.3753Well,2401.8291
1832 2402.1331the demographics again.2403.2522 
1834 2404.0144I don't see2404.7105 
1836 2404.9880that many white people in2406.3230 
1838 2406.9744DC where I hang out at.2408.0758 
1839DCB_int_012410.5475Have you- Do you travel beyond just kind of Alexandria or Crystal City?2413.8335
1840DCB_se2_ag2_m_012413.8952Uh, I would say2416.0804
1842 2418.2915Springfield.2419.2343 
1844 2419.7806Uh, I don't necessarily hang out there, but I would go to restaurants. Um,2423.3934 
1846 2424.7189<ts>2424.8731 
1848 2425.4150um, Falls Church.2427.2786 
1849DCB_int_012428.5475Hm.2429.0321
1850DCB_se2_ag2_m_012429.5205Uh, Sterling.2430.4581
1851DCB_int_012431.2608You're going pretty far [in.]2432.7455
1852DCB_se2_ag2_m_012432.3181[<laugh> You think] so? That's not that far.2433.8602
1853DCB_int_012434.1686I [mean]2434.9263
1854DCB_se2_ag2_m_012434.5475[<laugh>] It's off of- just off of three ninety five.2436.6396
1855DCB_int_012436.6880I know but that's-2438.0979
1857 2438.2873I mean compared to somebody who's like,2440.6091 
1859 2440.9924Nah, I don't hang out in Virginia,2442.1285 
1861 2442.2607[that's- that's /kind of/ beat.]2443.7313 
1862DCB_se2_ag2_m_012442.2651[Yeah, but that- but I only go there s-] only /to/ go there to- for restaurants cause the people I work with, they live in Virginia, so they suggest2447.9397
1863 2448.3444different places to go.2449.3004
1864DCB_int_012450.8821Okay, so come back. So you live2452.8382
1866 2454.4986like2454.8378 
1868 2454.9964right out-2455.3753 
1870 2455.6176right Crystal City, by airport?2457.0407 
1871DCB_se2_ag2_m_012457.0715I don't necessarily live- I do live by the airport, but- <laugh>2459.6571
1873 2460.1065uh, okay.2461.0625 
1875 2461.3180Have you-2461.6705 
1877 2461.8776when you come to f-2462.9966 
1879 2463.1024when you come off the bridge from four ninety five,2465.1422 
1880DCB_int_012466.0977[Mm-hm.]2466.3708
1881DCB_se2_ag2_m_012466.2122[and] you come right off the bridge, I kind of live in that area. You know- Have you- You know where the American Buffet- where those car dealerships [are?]2472.1511
1882DCB_int_012472.1115[Mm-hm.]2472.4581
1883DCB_se2_ag2_m_012472.4810I live in that area.2473.3224
1884DCB_int_012473.3445Oh, route one.2473.9921
1885DCB_se2_ag2_m_012474.1067Yeah, route o- off [of route one. Yeah.]2475.7060
1886DCB_int_012474.8777[Gotcha, so you're] on that [side.] You're not on the old town [side.]2478.4287
1887DCB_se2_ag2_m_012476.5342[Yeah.]2476.8515
1889 2478.0674[No], I mean- Yeah- No, no, no, not the old town side, but you know that's like five minutes right [there. /Yeah/. Nah, I'm not over-]2483.5255 
1890DCB_int_012482.3051[Right right right right. So you're at-] But you're at the junction2484.8290
1891DCB_se2_ag2_m_012484.7717Yeah.2485.0229
1892DCB_int_012485.0625of the highway.2485.6044
1893DCB_se2_ag2_m_012485.7102Yeah.2485.9040
1894DCB_int_012485.9260Got- Now, I know- I was just over there yesterday.2487.9218
1895DCB_se2_ag2_m_012487.9483Yeah.2488.1950
1896DCB_int_012488.3095Um, so now I know where you are.2489.7628
1898 2490.0272Okay.2490.4281 
1900 2490.8995Alright, so y-2491.6309 
1902 2491.9040That's- Yeah, nah, that's not that far [/then/.]2493.7809 
1903DCB_se2_ag2_m_012493.5738[No.]2493.8778
1904DCB_int_012493.9571Cause you're on the other- I [thought you were] on the like, up-2496.6968
1905DCB_se2_ag2_m_012495.1334[Yeah.]2495.4903
1906DCB_int_012497.1374Like,2497.5295
1908 2498.0626um-2498.6045 
1910 2499.0187<ts>2499.1552 
1912 2499.5518Like by the Target and all that on that side, closer to the airport side, [not on the other side.]2504.1684 
1913DCB_se2_ag2_m_012503.0493[Nah, nah, nah. You're talking about] Potomac Yards. [Nah.]2505.2830
1914DCB_int_012505.0627[Potomac-] I couldn't- I couldn't think of Potomac- Yes.2507.0497
1915DCB_se2_ag2_m_012507.0629[No.]2507.3405
1916DCB_int_012507.1819[Okay], so you're not on- Okay, now I gotcha.2509.1550
1917 2509.8511Um,2510.5472
1919 2510.9173so2511.4680 
1921 2511.6443couple of other questions for you.2513.1643 
1923 2513.8383What do you think-2514.8422 
1925 2515.0449If you could leave one piece of advice2517.1244 
1927 2517.4108to like,2517.9042 
1929 2518.2831the young-2519.2039 
1931 2519.8465Before I say that,2520.5867 
1933 2521.5295all the stuff that's going on in the news, especially with young black men,2524.8426 
1935 2525.3713um-2525.8383 
1937 2526.5647It's just scary. It's a lot going on.2528.4988 
1939 2528.7191I don't watch the news, but I hear about it [unfortunately.]2531.2436 
1940DCB_se2_ag2_m_012530.5783[Yeah.]2530.8647
1941DCB_int_012532.1197If you could leave one piece of advice2534.4459
1943 2535.1200to-2535.8425 
1945 2537.1951to young black men,2538.4105 
1947 2539.1418but also just to the youth in general, what would that piece of advice be?2543.0761 
1948DCB_se2_ag2_m_012543.0541<ts>2543.2127
1949 2543.6395Just try not to fall into the2546.6750
1951 2547.6531trap of You have to be a certain way.2550.2833 
1953 2551.3489Just2551.6661 
1955 2552.2697be yourself.2553.0539 
1957 2553.6795Try not to2554.6796 
1959 2555.4550focus on tryna impress your friends and females. Just-2559.1024 
1961 2560.0452just2560.7413 
1963 2561.4903figure out what you wanna do,2562.9788 
1965 2563.5119and f- and follow that path2564.9305 
1967 2565.2962because2565.8249 
1969 2566.7105as a child, I don't know why, but I never really cared about what other people thought about me.2570.7191 
1970DCB_int_012571.0583Hm.2571.2301
1971DCB_se2_ag2_m_012571.8337So to fall into the trap of tryna sell drugs or tryna create this pert- persona that I'm a thug,2577.0715
1973 2577.6267I- I never- I never was that2579.2392 
1975 2579.4330child2579.7987 
1977 2580.1461or never was that individual.2581.4370 
1979 2582.0097So that's how my mentality is not,2584.1069 
1981 2584.5430I need to be like this. I need to do that.2586.1379 
1983 2586.6616So,2587.0669 
1985 2587.7366I w- I would just try to tell them2589.4504 
1987 2589.9967to2590.4990 
1989 2590.7105try to- Because- If you- Growing up in that environment2593.1859 
1991 2593.3665and growing up around those people,2594.7852 
1993 2595.3447you can't help but wanna be like that.2597.2039 
1995 2597.7760So I would try to s-2598.6528 
1997 2599.1594steer their mind from that.2601.0099 
1999 2602.1598Try to because it's hard to- <laugh> to talk to young individuals.2605.4238 
2001 2606.1155So try to steer their mind from- from that-2608.0804 
2003 2608.2567from that concept.2609.3273 
2005 2609.9567And try to get them to follow the right path or to follow their own path.2613.6619 
2006DCB_int_012614.8999Hm.2615.0365
2007DCB_se2_ag2_m_012614.9968Because you- If you don't have goals in minds, you're not gonna strive to do anything.2618.5693
2008 2620.3448So th- I- That's- That would be my advice.2622.7805
2010 2624.2344I just think that would be difficult2625.7500 
2012 2626.7633because2627.3052 
2014 2627.5035that person has to want to do it.2629.0581 
2015DCB_int_012629.9569Right.2630.2212
2017 2631.4284Do you mentor?2632.3095 
2019 2632.5651Do you [/feel/-]2633.3581 
2020DCB_se2_ag2_m_012633.0012[I want] to mentor, but no I don't.2634.4581
2021DCB_int_012635.6176And why not?2636.1331
2022DCB_se2_ag2_m_012636.4459<ts>2636.5693
2024 2637.0847I j- I really- I really don't have the time.2638.7854 
2026 2638.9308I [really] have to make time because I have- I have two kids.2641.8688 
2027DCB_int_012639.0982[/Yeah./]2639.5167
2028DCB_se2_ag2_m_012643.0451That's a story within itself.2644.1862
2030 2644.3756<laugh>2644.8382 
2032 2645.2832I have two- two little girls by two different uh,2647.8247 
2034 2648.1111mothers.2648.5781 
2036 2649.4989So that- that- that set me back a little bit from- from going back to school because I- I was- I was ready to go back to school but2655.6883 
2038 2656.3448/had them/ babies, and that- that took my- My m- My money went to that,2659.7207 
2039DCB_int_012660.4900[How old are] they?2661.1024
2040DCB_se2_ag2_m_012660.4944[so.]2660.9041
2041 2661.3447Uh,2661.6575
2043 2662.1113two and three. No, no, no. Three and four.2663.8295 
2044DCB_int_012664.6836Oh- Oh. You're toddler-2666.7323
2046 2667.1288Ooh.2667.5474 
2048 2667.7456Yeah.2668.1245 
2049DCB_se2_ag2_m_012668.1421No actually they2668.8735
2051 2669.3090two and- Yeah, two and three. Yeah, my daughter's about to turn three, that's why,2672.2300 
2052DCB_int_012672.4723[Oh.]2672.7896
2053DCB_se2_ag2_m_012672.4768[and then my] other daughter's about to turn four.2674.0496
2054DCB_int_012674.3360Oh, okay. So almost2675.6665
2055DCB_se2_ag2_m_012675.9831[Yeah.]2676.3003
2056DCB_int_012676.1505[coming] up.2676.6396
2057 2677.0845Tell me about that. I mean, not ne- I mean, just about your daughters. You don't have to tell me [the other- Unless you want to.]2681.8339
2058DCB_se2_ag2_m_012680.3140[Oh I s- <laugh>]2681.6225
2059 2682.1770Nah, I- if you don't ask specifically, nah, I'm not gonna g- I'm not gonna go into that, [but.]2685.8558
2060DCB_int_012685.6795[Well] now you're gonna make me ask.2687.1246
2061DCB_se2_ag2_m_012686.8382[I don't-] I don't mind. It- [it- that's- that's] on you. <laugh>2689.4282
2062DCB_int_012687.8906[<laugh>]2688.5030
2063DCB_se2_ag2_m_012689.8600But uh,2690.6310
2065 2691.3843<ts>2691.4592 
2067 2691.6707ma-2692.6708 
2069 2693.7414I don't know. You /gonna have to/ s- ask specific questions.2696.1463 
2070DCB_int_012696.4019Mkay.2696.7499
2072 2697.6046What are your two daughters' [names?]2699.0673 
2073DCB_se2_ag2_m_012698.8735[Uh], n-2699.4374
2074 2699.5734my- my oldest daughter is /RD-NAME-2/.2701.4326
2075DCB_int_012701.7454/RD-NAME-2/.2702.2256
2076DCB_se2_ag2_m_012702.3886/RD-NAME- 6/.2703.6971
2078 2704.6003/RD-NAME-4/.2705.5432 
2080 2706.0844Her mother2706.8070 
2082 2707.7983got mad at me and didn't give her my last name.2709.6839 
2084 2710.8162Her name was supposed to be /RD-NAME-6/, and I'm still salty about that.2714.1728 
2086 2715.4945My other daughter, she's three?2717.2436 
2088 2717.3890No, two.2717.9705 
2090 2719.2035She's uh- she's very active. Her name is /RD-NAME-2/.2721.7941 
2092 2722.5254/RD-NAME-6/.2723.6004 
2093DCB_int_012725.8511And what do you- do they- now, do they play with each other?2728.6634
2094DCB_se2_ag2_m_012728.6752Yeah.2728.8559
2095DCB_int_012729.5432Do they live with you?2730.2701
2096DCB_se2_ag2_m_012730.4501No.2730.7717
2097DCB_int_012731.0449No, okay.2731.6441
2099 2732.1948So2732.5825 
2101 2732.7940how often do you see them? What do y'all do when y'all get [together?]2735.7546 
2102DCB_se2_ag2_m_012735.4594[<laugh>]2735.9661
2103DCB_int_012736.1417Are you like, let's go to the park. Let's play [basketball.]2738.5428
2104DCB_se2_ag2_m_012738.4503[Nah], I wish I could play basketball with them. Uh, I can't wait til that happens. But um,2742.0674
2105 2742.4854I see my daughters2743.6661
2107 2743.7939every other weekend.2744.7499 
2108DCB_int_012745.0099Mm, mm-hm.2745.4769
2109DCB_se2_ag2_m_012745.5121So I get one one weekend and get the other one the next weekend.2748.3538
2111 2748.8202The reason why I don't get 'em both together is I c- I can't handle both of 'em together.2751.8866 
2113 2752.4109My little- my l- my younger one, she's a- she's tough by herself.2755.2343 
2115 2755.9877Um, I will at some point get both of them together when they get older.2758.6620 
2117 2758.9704<ts>2759.1599 
2119 2759.3361I get2759.8597 
2121 2759.9655uh, my youngest daughter every Wednesday.2762.1419 
2123 2763.6002But I see my- my-2765.1070 
2125 2766.3091I see my oldest daughter a lot.2767.4767 
2127 2767.8820I see her uh, mostly throughout the week.2769.4769 
2129 2770.1642So I- M- Basically, I would say, throughout the week,2772.8114 
2131 2773.5956I'm probably by myself2775.4328 
2133 2776.0408once a week.2776.7633 
2134DCB_int_012777.7893Oh.2778.1197
2135DCB_se2_ag2_m_012778.0888<laugh> Cause uh, they are constantly with me all the time.2780.0450
2136DCB_int_012781.3447Do you, um, do they- are they from DC? I mean do they live in [DC or they Virginia, Maryland.]2785.9657
2137DCB_se2_ag2_m_012784.4765[No, my- my youngest] daughter live in DC.2787.4989
2138 2787.6707But both of 'em was born in Maryland.2789.0497
2139DCB_int_012789.3405Mm.2789.6577
2140DCB_se2_ag2_m_012789.7011I did not want2790.4633
2142 2790.6131her to l- She lives down the street from my mother. My mother lives in Southeast currently,2794.1377 
2144 2794.7281and my daughter lives right down the street in walking /dinstances/ from my mo- I did not want her to live in Southeast.2799.0407 
2146 2799.2786But her mother insist on she living right there.2801.2303 
2147DCB_int_012802.7497Hm.2802.9920
2149 2804.4371So,2805.0671 
2151 2807.2215do you want- do you want anymore [kids or you-]2809.5295 
2152DCB_se2_ag2_m_012809.2167[No.]2809.4370
2153DCB_int_012809.7410You're done?2810.1507
2154DCB_se2_ag2_m_012810.2785[Not at all.]2810.7279
2155DCB_int_012810.3137[That's it?]2810.7147
2156DCB_se2_ag2_m_012810.8424[Nah.]2811.0451
2157DCB_int_012810.9394[You] got your two girls. [You don't] wanna go for the [boy?]2812.8911
2158DCB_se2_ag2_m_012811.8117[I'm-]2812.0003
2160 2812.6532[No] boy.2813.1334 
2161 2813.9567No.2814.2393
2162DCB_int_012814.6307Okay.2814.9832
2164 2815.1066Well, you said no.2815.9393 
2165DCB_se2_ag2_m_012815.9304Mm-mm.2816.3402
2166DCB_int_012816.5032<ts>2816.7455
2168 2816.9922Um,2817.6795 
2170 2818.8691and2819.5432 
2172 2820.1116are they daddy's little girls? [Do- Are they] wra- Are you wrapped around those [little fingers?]2823.9304 
2173DCB_se2_ag2_m_012821.2248[Yes.]2821.6025
2175 2823.0574[Of course I'm wrapped], and they wrapped as well.2824.9694 
2176 2825.5847But can they can away with something? Nah, I'm- I'm strict. They don't get away with anything.2829.0667
2177DCB_int_012829.4817That seems surpri- You seem so mild mannered, [like-]2832.1069
2178DCB_se2_ag2_m_012831.8225[I am] mild mannered, but I don't- I don't-2833.6457
2179 2833.9383I-2834.1201
2181 2834.3253I- I don't like to deal with2835.5796 
2183 2836.3397BS. Like I c- [I just can't] deal with it.2838.2375 
2184DCB_int_012837.2303[Mm.]2837.7525
2185 2839.6969Yeah.2840.0607
2187 2840.3066Cause you seem really relaxed, but I can see like, sit down,2843.2880 
2188DCB_se2_ag2_m_012842.7733[<laugh>] Yeah. [<laugh> Yeah.]2845.0908
2189DCB_int_012843.6919[be quiet, get it together.]2845.0255
2190 2845.1747Mm-hm.2845.6317
2192 2846.0782Um,2846.6097 
2194 2846.8988okay.2847.4071 
2196 2847.6682So let me ask you about this.2849.1137 
2198 2849.8644Um, I wanna go2851.1561 
2200 2851.2959ask you a quick question.2852.4372 
2202 2853.0620What's your favorite book?2854.1345 
2203DCB_se2_ag2_m_012854.8246The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle.2856.4846
2204DCB_int_012857.2446Why?2857.6410
2205DCB_se2_ag2_m_012858.4745The book gives you um,2861.3888
2207 2862.3121a different way of thinking- expanding your thinking.2865.0434 
2209 2865.3138Like one- one- I tell this story all the time. One- one section of book,2868.8157 
2211 2869.3974he talks about how when you wash your hands,2871.6402 
2213 2871.7381don't focus on what's around you. Just focus on the water going around your fingers.2875.5244 
2215 2875.7657Like try to-2876.3719 
2217 2876.7263The book, he's- he's kind of want you to think of-2878.9458 
2219 2879.1090think in the now instead of tryna think in the future or the past.2881.7482 
2221 2882.2600Like take care of what you got going on now, and the future and the past will take care of itself.2885.7758 
2223 2886.5126So that's why I- I read that book like three times because I read it when2889.9620 
2225 2890.4422I have a lot going on in my life.2892.1489 
2227 2892.8856So I read it to just try to get my mind to focus on other things2895.7148 
2229 2896.1392and try to be2896.8572 
2231 2897.0764calm- calm and well mannered2898.3634 
2233 2899.0814[instead of being stressed.]2900.0700 
2234DCB_int_012899.1001[Mm-hm.]2899.6923
2235DCB_se2_ag2_m_012900.4139So I- I love that book.2901.4770
2236DCB_int_012901.7941The Power of Now.2902.7174
2237DCB_se2_ag2_m_012902.7220Yeah, [by Eckhart Tolle.]2903.7012
2238DCB_int_012903.0158[Mkay.]2903.5567
2239 2903.8551I need to read that.2904.7038
2240DCB_se2_ag2_m_012904.7690You will love it.2905.4918
2241DCB_int_012905.8217Really?2906.1388
2242DCB_se2_ag2_m_012906.1854Yeah.2906.3579
2243DCB_int_012906.8102Cause I have a lot2907.3325
2245 2907.5237[/just stuff going everywhere/.]2908.6847 
2246DCB_se2_ag2_m_012907.5423[<laugh> If you read it], you will-2908.8479
2247 2909.0857It just-2909.4215
2249 2909.6546It just gives you a different way of thinking and- and approaching certain situations. He talks about everything from religion to love to2915.2209 
2251 2915.6593everything. It just gives you a different way of thinking, and it's-2918.0327 
2253 2918.3160I like how in the book, he goes- He has a question and answer2921.0531 
2255 2921.6359thing in the book, where people ask him questions on what- what he just said, and he would respond to it.2925.9526 
2257 2926.4049So I- I like that part in the book as well.2928.0090 
2258DCB_int_012928.7970Hm.2929.1840
2260 2929.5337What's your favorite TV show?2930.6657 
2261DCB_se2_ag2_m_012930.9874[Um],2931.6542
2262DCB_int_012931.1133[Or movie.]2931.6822
2263DCB_se2_ag2_m_012932.2977movie? I don't have a favorite movie. I don't really have a favorite anything, but of course2935.1141
2265 2935.5337my favorite TV show right now will have to be Power.2937.2905 
2267 2938.2884<laugh>2939.1697 
2269 2939.4681[Would have-]2939.9624 
2270DCB_int_012939.4774[A popular] one.2940.3867
2271DCB_se2_ag2_m_012940.4053would have to be Power. That show is just the best.2942.8802
2272DCB_int_012943.2672Why?2943.6122
2273DCB_se2_ag2_m_012944.5915It's just entertaining.2945.6966
2275 2946.5779It's very entertaining.2947.4778 
2277 2948.9175I found myself-2949.9480 
2279 2950.0599I guess I ca- I don't relate to Ghost, but I've found a little bit of my personality in the Ghost.2954.6237 
2281 2955.1786Like, I love how2956.3490 
2283 2957.1697he's-2957.9997 
2285 2959.3006he's doing what he's doing, and he's kind of like using that2962.2044 
2287 2962.3537to2962.7500 
2289 2963.0344move on and progress in his life.2964.7877 
2290DCB_int_012965.0115Mm.2965.3006
2291DCB_se2_ag2_m_012965.4918So I- I like- I like that. And I like the fact that2968.0879
2293 2969.5287he's in l-2970.0836 
2295 2970.8856he's willing to2972.1119 
2297 2972.3673f- f- fight for what he want,2973.7615 
2299 2974.4003even though he's not going about it the right way.2976.3261 
2301 2977.2446So2977.5524 
2303 2978.1061yeah.2978.4605 
2305 2979.2998I see myself in Ghost a little bit. That's why I like.2981.2769 
2306DCB_int_012981.8691Okay.2982.3634
2308 2983.2307Um,2983.8264 
2310 2985.1879you talked about2985.9666 
2312 2986.1345DC as a little2987.3375 
2314 2987.5753different, where you talked about the carry out.2989.4265 
2316 2990.1621I think this is really interesting, cause I was not2992.3537 
2318 2992.5029aware of2993.1090 
2320 2993.2769carry out.2994.0230 
2321DCB_se2_ag2_m_012994.1862<laugh>2994.6478
2322DCB_int_012994.6245I also called it the Chinese place. Um-2996.8662
2323DCB_se2_ag2_m_012996.8429Do you w- Have you changed that?2997.9293
2324 2998.1252Do you call it carry out now?2999.2163
2325DCB_int_013001.0675Uh, well,3001.8322
2327 3002.8895s-3003.0900 
2328DCB_se2_ag2_m_013003.3511[<laugh>]3005.4121
2329DCB_int_013004.0086[maybe.]3004.5122
2331 3005.4028Um,3005.9717 
2332 3006.2654but what is that-3007.2540
2334 3007.7471is carry out different from Chinese-3009.4630 
2336 3009.6309the Chinese- Is a carry out place different from a Chinese food place?3013.0675 
2337DCB_se2_ag2_m_013013.3239Okay.3013.7902
2339 3014.4885In our minds,3015.5237 
2340DCB_int_013015.8780Mm-hm.3016.1485
2341DCB_se2_ag2_m_013017.0111anything Chinese /felated/ would always be the carry out.3019.2493
2343 3021.1320So no matter if they do directly say only Chinese food,3024.2141 
2345 3024.3634we will always call it a carry out.3025.6223 
2347 3025.9476Cause that's- that's what-3027.0689 
2349 3027.5516It's kind of like,3028.3070 
2351 3028.5215you-3028.8106 
2353 3029.3468you know that3030.1302 
2355 3030.9089the light switch is named light switch.3032.4559 
2356DCB_int_013032.5444Mm-hm.3032.8429
2357DCB_se2_ag2_m_013033.1553You wouldn't call it a- nothing else, but a- but I guess a flicker.3035.8784
2359 3036.6898But in your mind you're programmed to think it's a light switch. That's how our mind was programmed growing up.3040.7407 
2361 3041.6779So my mother didn't say, go down into the Chinese store. She said, go to the carry out.3045.0434 
2363 3046.6241So3047.2396 
2365 3048.2701if you wanna talk /technicalically/3050.1026 
2367 3050.7449yes it- there are different.3051.8687 
2369 3053.7805[Cause you-]3054.1209 
2370DCB_int_013053.7805[What's the] difference?3054.6198
2371DCB_se2_ag2_m_013054.6338Okay.3055.0255
2373 3056.0409The carry out sells steak and cheese. They sell cigarettes. They sell um,3059.9157 
2375 3060.6944<ts>3060.8483 
2377 3061.1234candy bars. They sell uh-3063.3791 
2379 3063.6496What else do they- Pizza.3064.8386 
2381 3065.5147They sell3066.0976 
2383 3066.3214a variety of things. It's kind of like,3068.3533 
2385 3069.1786I tell people- Like, if you go to Northwest, you have these different restaurants. You have what-3073.2446 
2387 3073.4032The Florida Grill. You have3074.8335 
2389 3075.4024um, /Cosis/ and all this stuff, but when you come to Southeast, all we have is the carry out.3079.0675 
2391 3080.1248We don't have n-3080.8708 
2393 3081.0574these restaurants that we're able to go to.3083.1137 
2395 3084.1535Uh, except what- Do we have a McDonald's? Yeah, we have one McDonald's3087.1973 
2397 3088.7080and3089.4494 
2399 3090.0882a KFC or something like that. That's- that's all our restaurants that we have over here.3093.3511 
2401 3094.4609That's why I said gentrification would be good cause we- they can give us these restaurants so we don't have to keep eating this junk food.3099.3511 
2402DCB_int_013100.5308What's your favorite carry out?3101.6966
2403DCB_se2_ag2_m_013102.2934Uh,3103.0208
2405 3103.4452s-3103.7704 
2407 3104.0455I'm'a have to say Eddie,3104.7496 
2409 3104.9548Eddie /Lenox/,3105.6076 
2411 3106.2930off of Alabama Avenue.3107.3702 
2412DCB_int_013108.1162Somebody else- I need to go try them. [Somebody] else told me that.3111.0807
2413DCB_se2_ag2_m_013109.9569[Yeah.]3110.2227
2414DCB_int_013112.0785Why?3112.2930
2415DCB_se2_ag2_m_013113.2023I don't know. They chicken just taste good.3114.5685
2417 3115.5198[<laugh>]3116.6284 
2418DCB_int_013115.7611[Okay.]3116.2087
2419 3116.6937Do you like mumbo sauce?3117.8780
2420DCB_se2_ag2_m_013117.9387I don't- I'm-3118.5122
2422 3119.6033They can car- I don't like mumbo sauce. I never did.3121.5151 
2424 3122.0222I'm not a sauce person anyway, but no, I don't like mumbo sauce.3124.7289 
2425DCB_int_013125.6733Is mumbo sauce unique to DC?3127.1281
2426DCB_se2_ag2_m_013127.1327Of course it's unique to DC.3128.3439
2427DCB_int_013129.2765You've never seen it anywhere [else?]3130.5355
2428DCB_se2_ag2_m_013130.2837[Nowhere] else. E- even when I was up there, I said, Do y'all know what mumbo sauce is? They said, no, we never heard of it.3134.0793
2429 3134.4698I brung my friend down here. He's- He's from Philly.3136.3397
2431 3137.0811He ha- The first time he had a steak and cheese, and he had mumbo sauce, he was hooked.3140.6564 
2433 3140.9688He still talked about it to this day. He said, I got to come down there so I can get a steak and cheese.3144.2328 
2434DCB_int_013145.2866And mumbo sauce.3146.0688
2435DCB_se2_ag2_m_013146.0595<laugh>3147.1320
2436DCB_int_013147.7801So what is mumbo sauce?3149.0904
2437DCB_se2_ag2_m_013149.5474I don't know what it is. They say it is a3151.4405
2439 3152.0642sweet sauce and hot sauce or something like that. I have no idea what it is.3155.3189 
2440DCB_int_013155.8738It's kind of just a mix of [stuff.]3157.6596
2441DCB_se2_ag2_m_013157.3472[Yeah.]3157.7296
2442DCB_int_013158.6424What else is unique to DC? I know you said the New Balance was kind of a DC thing, but that's not necessarily unique to DC.3165.0853
2443DCB_se2_ag2_m_013165.1366Uh- Of course the language, the way we dress,3167.5707
2445 3167.9017um,3168.4426 
2447 3172.2884I would say that's about it.3173.3795 
2448DCB_int_013174.9835What about go go music?3176.1632
2449DCB_se2_ag2_m_013176.1901Oh man. How do I- ca- can I forget go go music?3178.2324
2451 3178.4609[<laugh>]3179.2303 
2452DCB_int_013178.6987[That's why I'm here.]3179.3842
2453DCB_se2_ag2_m_013179.6733Okay, growing up in DC right?3181.3985
2455 3184.1065We- When we go- When we go to parties or when we go to a club,3187.5291 
2457 3188.1155we play- we played- I don't- Today is different. We played go go music.3191.5334 
2459 3192.3447So, going- going to college,3194.5165 
2461 3195.1646you would hear uh, Jay Z,3197.0344 
2463 3197.6872um,3198.2654 
2465 3198.5452Beyonce, you would hear that stuff at parties. I'm like, Okay,3201.1460 
2467 3201.4164this is different.3202.1065 
2469 3202.5122I never experienced hearing regular rap music at a party before.3205.6363 
2471 3206.4419So that's how3207.2579 
2473 3207.8034embedded or3208.7686 
2475 3209.0158that's how3209.5474 
2477 3209.9484go go is in DC. You don't h- You don't hear nothing else.3212.5538 
2479 3213.2252Like riding around the street, all you hear is go go music.3215.3282 
2480DCB_int_013216.5825Can you describe go go music for me?3218.6377
2481DCB_se2_ag2_m_013218.7729<laugh>3219.4304
2483 3220.5635Go go music is a-3223.2073 
2485 3223.7949It's a certain type of music where3225.5097 
2487 3225.8081they repeat-3226.6334 
2489 3227.2816It's- It's called a call and response music.3229.6352 
2491 3232.1019Like the beat is this- It's a lot of congos.3234.5172 
2493 3234.8949That's basically what makes it different, the congos.3236.8429 
2494DCB_int_013240.3027What's your favorite go go band?3242.0607
2495DCB_se2_ag2_m_013242.3859<ts>3242.5584
2497 3243.0247I don't- I'm not a go go fan.3244.2790 
2499 3244.7453That's another thing that-3245.8504 
2501 3246.8949I don't like go go.3247.6457 
2502DCB_int_013248.8289You don't like go go?3249.7428
2503DCB_se2_ag2_m_013249.7381Mm-mm.3250.1298
2504 3250.6987As a child I never liked listening to it.3252.4659
2505DCB_int_013253.7529But you used to3254.3205
2507 3254.5724party to go go.3255.6496 
2508DCB_se2_ag2_m_013255.7288I- I'm not a party person. I would be in the party3258.0463
2510 3258.3680while people was partying to it,3259.8602 
2512 3260.4605listening to go go. I like the way the girls dance at go go though. I do like that.3263.2909 
2514 3263.4727<laugh>3264.5359 
2515DCB_int_013264.8250So what's your most- What's your favorite memory3267.1599
2517 3267.5656at a go go, whether you were partying or looking at the girls or whatever you were doing.3271.5944 
2518DCB_se2_ag2_m_013271.8602Uh, that- that would be it, looking at the girls dance to g- to go go. Uh,3275.4681
2520 3276.0416a go go song that stands out to me- I'm not sure who's- who3279.6402 
2522 3279.9993performed this song, but uh,3281.3842 
2524 3281.8131when Project Pat came out with uh,3283.5990 
2526 3285.1506I don't know if I c- Can I say it?3286.1112 
2527DCB_int_013286.2184Mm-hm.3286.5542
2528DCB_se2_ag2_m_013286.5961Oh. Make Your Ass Clap,3287.6499
2530 3289.3379and the go go bands redid that song. That's- that was- that was when I was in junior high school.3293.8504 
2531DCB_int_013294.7970And that's what stands out [to you.]3296.0607
2532DCB_se2_ag2_m_013295.6911[Yeah.] That's- that's the go go song that stands out.3297.8734
2533DCB_int_013299.2676<laugh> Where did you go? Like, where- I know you said they were-3302.9501
2534DCB_se2_ag2_m_013303.2392[<ts>]3303.4117
2535DCB_int_013303.2579[Did you] go to like, clubs, parties?3305.2303
2536DCB_se2_ag2_m_013304.4283[Uh, you know-] I don't know if y- You- You should know. They have- they- they had- I don't know if they still have it. They had the go go parties.3309.8594
2537 3310.1252Go go3310.5821
2539 3310.9598clubs. They had go go clubs for kids3312.8763 
2541 3313.1689called the- You ever heard of the CFE?3314.6097 
2543 3315.4304This was in Upper Marlboro, Maryland. They had th- They had the CFE.3317.9717 
2545 3318.4566I don't renam- remember the names of other go go clubs, but3321.0900 
2547 3321.3791um, as a child, I'm'a say /I/ was like,3323.1976 
2549 3323.8458/about/ ten to thirteen years old,3325.7902 
2551 3326.3113they had a lot of house parties.3327.4537 
2552DCB_int_013327.9200Mm-hm.3328.3723
2553DCB_se2_ag2_m_013328.3117They had a lot of house parties where they would play go go.3330.0276
2554DCB_int_013331.1514So obviously it was a big deal because they even marketed to the like,3335.7618
2556 3335.9763the3336.1349 
2558 3336.3494teens and the younger people.3338.5165 
2560 3339.1320But you were in Upper Marlboro,3340.5308 
2562 3340.7966which was not DC,3341.9157 
2564 3342.1908right? That's what you were just saying. They-3343.6410 
2566 3343.8928Is- This [was- Club was in DC?]3345.4397 
2567DCB_se2_ag2_m_013344.4652[Yeah, but you know, we-] we d- we didn't have clubs3346.6334
2568 3346.9365in the- in the area. So that's w-3348.0043
2570 3348.1908that's where we have to travel to to go to a club.3350.0700 
2571DCB_int_013350.3952Do you still consider that the DC area though?3352.1998
2572DCB_se2_ag2_m_013352.5448D- Whatchu mean, DC area?3353.7245
2573DCB_int_013353.8365Like, Upper Marlboro, do you still consider that DC?3356.1819
2574DCB_se2_ag2_m_013356.7496No.3357.0387
2575DCB_int_013357.4351[That's-]3357.9573
2576DCB_se2_ag2_m_013357.4397[I con- I] consider DC DC. When I-3359.5194
2577 3361.4218If you- if you grew up in DC,3362.8755
2579 3363.0340when you go to Maryland, that's Maryland.3364.4935 
2581 3364.7313You don't- you don't-3365.6033 
2583 3366.3913you don't say, This is DC.3367.9161 
2585 3368.8335So, if somebody- Even if it's across the street,3371.1184 
2587 3371.9111if somebody says,3372.9929 
2589 3373.9989I'm- I'm about to go to Maryland. W- I'm'a walk across the street.3376.3443 
2591 3377.1697<laugh>3377.5287 
2593 3377.9064If somebody from there across the street, say, I'm from DC, we say, No, you're not. You're from Maryland.3381.2905 
2595 3382.3816People from Maryland um,3384.0649 
2597 3384.6291they will say, No, that's- that's still DC. We say, No it's not. Because if you-3388.1345 
2599 3388.6194If you go to this place,3389.7479 
2601 3389.8691and it looks- To me, it looks suburban.3391.5944 
2603 3392.4652Like uh,3393.3511 
2605 3393.9293what's- what's those areas? Um, District Heights,3398.0933 
2607 3398.2460Suitland,3398.9221 
2609 3399.2998those areas to me, those are suburban.3400.9225 
2611 3402.0743So, when I would come back home to DC, I see the neighborhoods.3405.5003 
2613 3406.2231I see how my neighborhoods look, and I go /there/, okay. I'm like, Okay, this is suburban. It's quiet.3410.2985 
2615 3410.6890You have these s- nice little streets.3412.3163 
2617 3412.9738But3413.2396 
2619 3413.6126growing up, grow- g- I grew up so I notice that those are- those are not really suburban areas,3417.6542 
2621 3418.1858but you have your uh, Largo. You have your Upper Marlboro.3421.0255 
2623 3421.1281You have those areas. Those are more suburban.3422.8708 
2625 3423.4490But grow- As a child,3424.7267 
2627 3425.5847to me, no. Tho- those- You was from Maryland.3427.5104 
2628DCB_int_013427.8030That's Maryland. That's not DC [at all.]3429.4257
2629DCB_se2_ag2_m_013429.0760[Mm-mm.]3429.4304
2630DCB_int_013429.8967And what about Virginia? Is that just a whole [different animal?]3432.3773
2631DCB_se2_ag2_m_013431.6499[I- I have] no idea.3433.0488
2632 3433.4114It j- <laugh> I told you. I- [I never knew] about Virginia until I started working there.3436.8386
2633DCB_int_013434.6144[<laugh>]3435.1366
2634DCB_se2_ag2_m_013437.2862So I don't know what's going on in- I never knew what was going on in Virginia.3440.1166
2636 3440.5118Um,3441.0061 
2638 3441.3511not- Like I said, when I would think of Virginia, I'd just think of white- white people live there.3445.1421 
2640 3445.3332I didn't know that3446.1166 
2642 3446.2740black people lived in Virginia.3447.3371 
2644 3448.2184I didn't know that until I- <laugh> got a- til I got older.3450.6758 
2645DCB_int_013451.9348Okay.3452.3205