Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DCB_int_01	0.3209	Um, what's your birthday /RD-NAME-2/?	1.5893
2	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1.7152	July seventh, nineteen eighty. One sixteen PM.	4.3217
3	DCB_int_01	4.9419	Okay. [Um], great. One sixteen [to be exact.] Do you remember which uh, bassinet you were placed in?	11.6493
4	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	5.6142	[<laugh>]	6.3645
6		8.0555	[Mm-hm.]	8.5265
8		11.5947	I was third from [the left at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Southeast DC.]	15.5150
9	DCB_int_01	12.5774	[<laugh>]	15.5104
10		16.1305	And what's your hometown?	17.5574
12		17.7812	/Of/ [DC.]	18.4433
13	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	18.2102	[Washington] DC.	18.9504
14		19.1136	Yup.	19.3188
15	DCB_int_01	19.8690	Um, what neighborhood do you kind of claim as your own?	22.6201
16	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	22.8999	Deanwood.	23.3988
17	DCB_int_01	23.6227	Deanwood.	24.2399
18	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	24.2568	Mm-hm.	24.6205
19	DCB_int_01	27.8088	And you've lived here all your life?	28.9932
20	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	29.1396	Yup.	29.3895
21	DCB_int_01	31.0437	Um, have you lived any other places, including college?	34.0140
22	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	34.1072	Um, ten years in Baltimore, Maryland,	36.3501
24		36.8525	um,	37.6126
26		39.7995	and a six month span in Richmond, Virginia.	43.6545
27	DCB_int_01	50.5918	Where'd you go to school?	51.3145
28	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	51.9440	Uh, started at /RD-SCHOOL-5/ University during that six month span.	55.7944
30		56.3819	Didn't quite pan out,	57.5710
32		58.0093	came back home and got my uh, two year from /RD-SCHOOL-3/ Community College.	63.0254
34		64.2238	Have not	64.6808
36		65.3009	finished beyond there.	66.3687
38		66.5914	It's a goal.	67.1789
39	DCB_int_01	72.9691	And what's your current- I'm-	74.2281
41		74.5078	I'm not sure what your status is on your current occupation situation?	77.8232
42	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	77.8558	<laugh>	78.3967
43	DCB_int_01	78.4060	<laugh>	79.2873
44	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	79.2815	So I'm currently the program [director]	81.9300
45	DCB_int_01	81.6223	[Okay.]	82.3170
46	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	82.4523	at the /RD-WORK-7/	84.1589
48		84.3920	/RD-WORK-10/.	86.1935
49	DCB_int_01	87.4404	And	88.2145
51		88.6201	now I'm gonna ask some- a few questions about your parents, and then we'll get started kind of- this is just a	92.9517
53		94.0373	background.	94.6061
55		95.5154	<ts> Where was your father born?	96.5599
56	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	96.9598	Father was born in Cordele, Georgia.	98.6198
57	DCB_int_01	99.1653	Whoa! [That's my] neck of the woods! [Exit ninety nine.]	102.3874
58	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	99.9906	[Mm-hm.]	100.4709
60		101.0771	[Mm-hm.]	101.8731
61		102.5448	Yup.	102.8292
63		103.1556	Cordele, Georgia.	104.5312
64	DCB_int_01	104.5824	Whatchu know about [Georgia?]	105.9720
65	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	105.5990	[<laugh>]	106.9232
66	DCB_int_01	106.0839	[Where was your mom] born?	107.3102
67	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	107.4968	Winston Salem, North Carolina.	109.0775
68	DCB_int_01	109.7245	Oh. Okay, that's a story. I'll get that in a [moment.]	112.3310
69	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	111.9440	[Yup.]	112.2564
70		112.6761	Just starting to get to know my father's side of the family, too.	115.1463
72		115.3748	[/I just-/]	115.8737
73	DCB_int_01	115.4773	[What did your father] do or what does he do?	116.9135
74	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	117.0907	Uh, he's a janitor for DC public schools.	119.3895
75	DCB_int_01	119.3895	So he's here?	120.0843
76	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	120.1251	Yup.	120.3582
78		120.9971	Mm-hm. Yeah, most people don't-	122.5078
80		122.9741	because he is not as spoken of as th- my mother, the [queen],	126.4806
81	DCB_int_01	126.0843	[As queen.] Mm-mm.	127.3934
82	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	127.4400	um-	128.0042
84		128.2234	I remember when I went away to school,	130.1165
86		130.2424	and I had a friend of mine's, oh, I guess your mom's gonna have to get a boyfriend now.	133.5193
88		134.3073	Hey, no my dad lives at home.	135.8368
90		136.3730	[So he's very c-]	137.1284
91	DCB_int_01	136.4383	[Are your parents married?]	137.5673
92	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	137.5387	Yeah.	137.8418
93		138.4293	Married, uh,	139.4260
95		139.7198	thir- um- uh- I'm thirty five-	141.4358
97		141.7109	Thirty one [years.]	142.7181
98	DCB_int_01	142.3031	[No]	143.1517
99		143.4361	clue, /RD-NAME-2/.	144.2321
100	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	144.2428	Thirty one years.	145.1183
101	DCB_int_01	145.1369	No clue.	145.7804
102	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	145.8410	Yeah.	146.2327
103	DCB_int_01	146.8342	What?	147.3658
104	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	147.3845	Yeah.	147.8414
106		148.1818	He is um-	149.2123
108		149.8045	So there's two sides of it. He's very quiet, very quiet reserved person.	153.1933
109	DCB_int_01	153.0674	/You know/ you didn't get that from him.	154.2518
110	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	154.3217	No.	155.1377
111	DCB_int_01	155.1937	Mm-mm.	155.5341
112	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	155.4688	Um,	156.0936
113		156.3034	but then we have had-	157.9763
115		158.6058	Our, you know, relationship has had its	161.3615
117		161.7998	journey,	162.3734
118	DCB_int_01	162.4375	Mm-hm.	162.7732
119	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	162.7546	and because of that,	163.6592
120		164.0649	/and/ I don't always speak of	165.9906
122		166.8533	my father. So,	167.7998
124		168.4573	we at a	168.8164
126		169.4027	decent place	170.1488
128		170.4192	now,	170.7177
130		170.8529	but	171.0534
132		171.8274	I don't speak of him as much because he just wasn't as much of a part.	174.6765
133	DCB_int_01	175.1556	As mom.	175.7291
134	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	175.7851	Nah.	176.0555
135	DCB_int_01	176.2933	What did mom do? Cause I- Mom's retired now, [right?]	178.4663
136	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	178.2331	[Yup.] She was a- uh, executive assistant for DC public schools [for thirty-]	182.4799
137	DCB_int_01	181.6266	[Mm, so y'all] all up in [DPS?]	183.5104
138	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	183.1140	[Oh yeah.]	183.5290
139	DCB_int_01	183.7715	I mean [DCPS.]	184.6461
140	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	184.4663	[DCPS.] Yup.	185.2496
141		185.3802	Thirty seven years.	186.3407
143		186.8245	She worked all over the place, superintendent's office, the board of education's office, local schools.	192.2779
145		192.9038	Did a little bit of everything.	193.7291
146	DCB_int_01	194.3773	So,	195.1700
148		195.3985	alright. So let's- let's back up.	196.8160
150		197.5714	First of all,	198.1869
152		198.3582	Cordele and Winston [Salem.]	200.0789
153	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	199.9017	[Mm-hm.]	200.4659
154	DCB_int_01	200.7363	Um,	201.7249
156		202.3031	that's the seventy five eighty five corridor. They	204.3547
158		204.5774	kind of ain't really that connected. How'd your parents meet?	206.9088
159	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	207.7155	They met uh, through my	209.6460
161		209.8651	uh, mother's sister.	210.9329
163		211.7991	And my father	212.7410
165		213.1000	was friends with a mutual friend,	214.6574
167		214.9092	and when they moved here to DC-	216.6205
169		217.0670	Uh, my mom moved to DC when she was six or seven,	220.4756
171		221.1470	and uh, they	222.4387
173		222.7872	met through some mutual friends, went out on a date, and	225.1094
174	DCB_int_01	225.7637	[The rest-]	225.9875
175	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	225.7948	the rest was [history.]	226.5782
176	DCB_int_01	226.1678	[And here you] are.	226.8859
177	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	227.0538	Here I am.	227.5481
178	DCB_int_01	227.6320	[Um], okay. So they met in DC.	229.5519
179	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	227.7206	[Yup.]	227.9864
180		229.6079	[Mm-hm.]	229.8504
181	DCB_int_01	229.8690	Okay.	230.2560
182	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	230.3540	[Yeah.]	230.5405
183	DCB_int_01	230.4985	[So] how- how did mom come to- Was it	232.2797
184		232.7041	like,	233.0072
186		233.3382	grandma and grandpa decided y'all was coming to DC?	235.3841
187	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	235.3934	Yeah, they- they moved there from Winston Salem. Like I said, she was about six or seven,	238.6201
189		239.0351	um, just to pursue new opportunities, new things,	242.1768
191		242.5731	and landed in DC. And-	244.3404
193		244.4756	and my mom is one of	246.7138
195		248.4379	five.	249.0534
197		249.5290	One of five,	250.1026
199		250.6714	and uh, they just, you know, wanted to seek some new opportunities	254.2094
201		254.8156	and came to DC.	255.5244
202	DCB_int_01	255.6922	How'd dad end up here?	256.6808
203	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	256.9605	Um, same deal.	258.0377
205		258.2009	Um, my dad is one of sixteen.	260.5312
207		261.2399	[<laugh>] Yeah.	263.7672
208	DCB_int_01	262.1627	[Hm. Wow.]	263.1032
209	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	264.0143	And um, just in search of some new opportunities, to do some new things. And he ended up coming up with a friend of his	270.7697
211		271.3887	and [was-]	272.1441
212	DCB_int_01	271.7012	[Oh this was a] decision he made as an adult.	273.5010
213	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	273.5010	Yeah yeah [yeah. So he was-]	274.8206
214	DCB_int_01	273.8974	[Oh he didn't do this as a] child. Okay.	275.3196
215	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	275.4128	Yeah, he was a little bit-	278.0322
217		278.3027	Let's see.	278.9042
219		279.0114	When they-	279.5803
221		282.4107	Twenties	283.4400
223		283.6685	when they met.	284.1908
224	DCB_int_01	284.9322	Okay.	285.3238
225	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	285.2959	Yeah, met-	285.8135
226		285.9580	mid to late twenties when they met.	287.2030
228		287.6926	And um-	288.5086
230		289.5892	Yeah cause they were all family- All my other	291.3938
232		291.6876	family on his side is basically still down south.	293.6879
234		294.3641	He's a-	294.6252
235	DCB_int_01	294.6578	[Cordele?]	295.1587
236	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	294.9831	[one] of	295.4121
237		295.7105	three who came up north	297.1327
239		297.6689	in Cordele.	298.3450
241		298.4802	[Cordele],	299.1843
242	DCB_int_01	298.4849	[In Cordele.]	299.1890
243	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	299.5807	Raleigh,	300.3920
245		300.9411	um,	301.5519
247		303.0767	couple other places down around about	304.9745
249		305.2823	those parts.	306.0610
250	DCB_int_01	307.0577	So have you traveled a lot? Like,	309.0347
252		309.1793	have you- do you go	310.3310
254		310.5175	down South and see them? Are you	312.3174
256		312.5506	pretty much	313.4494
258		313.9203	whatever's happening around the District that's what's happening.	316.3433
259	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	316.2965	Yeah, that's basically what's happening. We had our first family reunion for that side of that family	321.4264
260		321.8787	last July.	322.7041
262		323.2450	Uh, first time I had seen	324.8490
264		325.0064	them-	325.5986
266		325.9063	I've only been down South once before and I was	328.5455
268		328.7554	four.	329.3336
270		329.6553	Three or four.	330.3034
272		330.7872	/Had/- And it was the only time I met my paternal grandfather	333.5570
274		333.8368	uh, it was during that time. He died not too long after I- we- that visit	336.8910
276		337.2022	uh, when I was three.	338.0649
278		338.6757	Uh, but hadn't seen any of that part of the family with the exception of	342.4340
280		342.9364	one uncle and his wife who moved to New Jersey,	345.5896
282		346.0419	and one uncle and his wife who had moved to Ohio.	349.3468
284		349.9343	Other than that, hadn't seen any of these folks in-	352.3264
286		352.6714	from-	353.0398
288		353.3056	almost thirty years	354.5226
290		355.1043	until last July,	356.2141
292		356.6477	uh, which was an interesting experience.	358.6388
293	DCB_int_01	358.8346	Where was it?	359.4688
294	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	359.6133	Uh, in Raleigh.	360.5879
296		361.2302	Um, and then we're planning for the next one which is this- No, next summer,	364.7740
298		365.1657	which will be here in the DC area.	366.7231
300		367.4214	So [now I get to help host.] I'm on the-	369.1746
301	DCB_int_01	367.6545	[Oh you on the committee?]	368.5824
302		369.5896	You [always on the committee. You d- You- You the eternal] on the [committee man.]	373.8877
303	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	369.8181	[I'm on the committee. /I get trapped in-/]	372.1822
305		373.2768	[Mm-hm.]	373.9110
306	DCB_int_01	374.2700	Mm-hm. Any [/the/ committee], you the-	375.9393
307	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	374.7721	[But it's interesting.]	375.6409
308		376.2704	Yeah, I mean it's interesting just like, [reconnecting]	378.4731
309	DCB_int_01	378.0796	[Then with] it- yeah.	379.2216
310	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	379.2288	with family. And I [think especially-] Yeah. Especially because	382.6295
311	DCB_int_01	379.9716	[After thirty years.]	380.9694
312	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	383.3056	my relationship with my father is what it is,	385.9576
314		386.1022	and has not always been the best,	388.2145
315	DCB_int_01	388.2611	Mm-hm.	388.6434
316	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	388.6761	reconnecting with that part of the family was	390.7930
318		391.7851	weird at first.	393.1979
320		393.6456	Um, but refreshing.	394.8424
322		395.3242	And I remember sitting- We had the little banquet that night, and	397.9949
324		398.2887	they actually went through the lineage. And to be in a room and-	401.2123
326		401.8278	and to be- feel connected,	403.0215
328		403.4633	was, you know, the- All the other stuff from me and my father went out the window	406.9699
330		407.2869	because I realized the connect-	408.6205
332		408.9364	the connection that I had with,	410.5218
334		410.7876	you know,	411.0627
336		411.4218	eight	411.6176
338		411.9580	generations of people.	413.1657
340		413.6506	And they're tracing and going back and looking and seeing that this and this and this and this.	417.2166
342		417.6689	So,	418.0513
344		418.4709	it was interesting.	419.2963
346		419.6320	Humbling, I'll say.	420.6345
347	DCB_int_01	420.9364	So, okay. So let's go back to your childhood kind of here.	424.5036
349		425.0678	Um, do you remember your neighborhood? Where you grew up- the house or apartment that you grew up in? And how was like- how was-	430.7647
351		431.0584	And how many brothers and sisters do you have? I don't think-	433.0996
353		433.3188	Are you an only [child?]	434.1022
354	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	433.7105	[I am an] only child [by] birth.	435.7575
355	DCB_int_01	435.1327	[Mm.]	435.3192
356	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	436.6714	Only child by birth- And that was- I had a weird	438.7744
358		439.6732	upbringing in the sense that	441.0721
360		442.7554	most of my life, school, church, [everything] else,	446.5032
361	DCB_int_01	445.7159	[Mm.]	446.0461
362	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	446.8622	was inside the city,	448.1492
364		448.6248	but we always lived right outside of DC in	451.1568
366		451.9100	<ts> Chillum, Maryland, which is maybe like-	453.9533
367	DCB_int_01	454.2164	[Mm-hm.]	454.5257
368	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	454.3497	[it was, you] know, right across-	455.5714
369		456.0050	right across the Eastern Avenue,	457.6592
371		458.2467	right across that line.	459.1750
373		459.5430	Um,	459.9953
375		460.1678	and so I was- it was a weird thing.	461.6366
377		462.0936	The elementary school I went to-	464.2374
379		464.5778	Um, if DCPS ever found this out, they would probably send me a really big tuition bill,	468.4480
381		469.0437	Um, I wasn't supposed to go to cause I wasn't a DC resident.	471.6689
383		472.3497	Uh, [but I went.]	473.3374
384	DCB_int_01	472.7647	[Which elementary] school?	473.6040
385	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	473.8045	[/RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary on Division Avenue.	475.8317
387		476.6011	Um,	477.3145
389		477.5244	in Northeast and Deanwood.	478.6994
391		479.2216	Um-	479.8092
393		480.5587	[/Had this humble history/.]	481.7792
394	DCB_int_01	480.6592	[But I've seen Division Avenue], so I think	482.2511
395		482.5638	if I just	483.1874
397		483.4824	follow that little-	484.1958
398	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	484.3217	[Mm-hm.]	484.6155
399	DCB_int_01	484.4942	[I] probably would- Okay.	485.2799
400	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	485.2651	Yup. So it's kind of like, in the middle of the hill.	487.2442
401		487.9203	Um,	488.5731
403		489.0394	because my mother worked at /-WORK-1/ Elementary School, which is around the corner,	493.2582
405		493.6918	she had a relationship,	494.6804
407		494.8389	um- she actually went to the principal at /RD-SCHOOL-2/	497.3149
409		497.7113	and just flat out asked,	499.0799
411		499.3468	can my son come? /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was a historic school,	501.8508
413		502.3590	great leadership, /RD-NAME-5/,	504.4655
415		504.6707	the greatest principal that ever walked the face of the Earth,	506.6291
417		507.1746	um-	507.7482
418	DCB_int_01	507.7715	What made him so great?	508.7833
419	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	509.1564	Just	509.7439
421		509.9526	he was	511.3328
423		511.9623	what you think of when you think like, old school teacher and [administrator.]	515.1284
424	DCB_int_01	514.4600	[Mm. Mm-hm.]	515.3522
425	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	515.5574	Um, he was a- a-	516.8537
427		517.0008	he's like a grandfather type.	518.2794
429		518.6804	He didn't play any games,	520.1165
430	DCB_int_01	520.2751	[Like /RD-NAME-2/?]	521.0177
431	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	520.2937	[um, but he-] Like /RD-NAME-2/.	522.0085
432		522.2277	He was a /RD-NAME-2/ for elementary school kids.	524.2514
434		524.4192	It was a little [toned down.]	525.4404
435	DCB_int_01	524.7456	[That's intense.]	525.8886
436	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	525.7295	[It was a little-] But he was a little toned down, so it wasn't, you know,	528.1589
437	DCB_int_01	528.1682	Oh, [okay.]	528.6765
438	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	528.4760	[so] like, /uh/,	529.5753
439		529.9763	but [there was-]	530.6949
440	DCB_int_01	530.1162	[I need you not] to be six and having /RD-NAME-2/ [/or I will/]	532.4646
441	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	531.9254	[<laugh>]	533.0305
442		533.4222	But it was good. I mean,	534.5366
444		534.7080	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ was the first school to do all day pre kin- all day kindergarten	539.0864
446		539.4781	in DC public schools. It was the first school to do	542.6011
448		543.0077	a mandatory uniform policy	544.5943
450		545.0072	um, in the city schools.	546.2941
452		546.7872	Um, a lot of firsts. And then- some issues with, you know-	549.8601
454		550.2984	I think at that time,	551.5481
456		551.9211	a uniform-	552.8257
458		553.0996	uniform policies	554.6664
460		554.8576	were different than where I kind of look at them now,	556.8253
462		557.1704	but there was a sense of unity and a sense of pride	559.3095
463	DCB_int_01	559.8155	[Mm. Mm-hm.]	560.7083
464	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	559.9250	[that Mr. /RD-NAME-2/] taught.	561.1513
465		561.4777	I mean, from the kindergarten	562.8533
467		563.2869	through sixth grade,	564.1496
469		564.2848	there was pride about	565.3701
471		565.5380	tuck your shirt in.	566.5358
473		566.6804	Where's your tie?	567.5663
475		568.0932	Iron your blouse.	569.2683
477		569.7486	And he corralled the community around that. There was a community around Deanwood that wrapped its r- arms around /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	575.0305
479		575.5760	and um,	577.0122
481		578.0229	he led them.	578.7503
483		578.9088	And he was- he was the	580.2844
484	DCB_int_01	580.4849	Mm.	580.7142
485	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	580.7119	the shepherd	581.3395
486		581.8092	of a big flock.	582.6100
487	DCB_int_01	582.6660	Have you gone- I don't know if he's still alive [now, but]	585.3145
488	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	584.8629	[/Yeah./]	585.1754
489	DCB_int_01	585.7256	have- Did you ever go back and reconnect, even after you,	588.8905
490	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	589.7812	[Yeah.]	590.1542
491	DCB_int_01	589.8091	[you know.]	590.1542
492	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	590.5226	So my connection to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ still stays extremely strong.	593.3669
494		593.8286	Um,	594.3508
496		594.6085	<ts>	594.7553
498		595.2449	let's see.	595.8511
500		596.0889	My fifth grade year, he retired	597.7676
502		597.8981	[as] principal from- Well he left	599.9346
503	DCB_int_01	597.9429	[Mm.]	598.1066
504	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	600.3170	to take a job with the central office as a area superintendent	603.6929
506		604.1079	cause he was the bomb.	604.8400
508		605.6374	And so, I think-	607.3480
510		607.6505	I can't remember how many years later, but he did eventually pass.	610.8260
512		611.1851	And so there was a reunion of sorts where ever- everyone came back together. His protege,	615.4924
514		615.8981	uh, was a nam- a lady by the name of /RD-NAME-5/,	618.1212
516		618.2750	and she became principal my sixth grade year.	620.2101
517	DCB_int_01	620.2101	That name sounds very [familiar.]	622.0427
518	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	621.4831	[She is]- she was the female /RD-NAME-5/.	624.9838
519		625.6366	Uh, to this day, I can pick up my phone and call	628.7119
521		629.1291	uh, Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/ and	630.6434
523		631.1004	talk for hours and ask	632.6065
525		633.1707	um-	633.6556
527		633.8235	She-	634.5789
529		636.2331	/RD-SCHOOL-2/- /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was a family,	637.9257
530	DCB_int_01	638.3920	[Mm.]	638.7480
531	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	638.4013	[and I was] there for eight years cause I started pre K all the way through sixth grade.	641.9125
532	DCB_int_01	642.0745	Hm.	642.3776
533	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	642.7227	And so	643.6273
535		644.1569	I spent a lot of time with both-	645.4598
537		645.6463	both of them.	646.2245
539		646.5416	And so when he left, and she stepped in, there was a natural	649.0677
541		649.5807	transition.	650.4153
543		650.6205	So much so, that when I went	652.4157
545		652.9146	to /RD-SCHOOL-5/ University after graduating high school	655.7299
547		656.1169	and was not prepared to go away to school, was not prepared for college life, and told my mom,	660.2191
549		660.6248	excuse my language, you have to come get me the hell out of here,	662.9795
551		663.5624	I came back home.	664.7188
553		665.3483	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ was the first place that I went.	666.7460
555		667.1517	And Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/, who was still the principal said,	669.1381
557		669.4272	come on, we gonna give you a job, and we gonna help you sort it out.	671.7866
559		672.2517	First time I worked-	673.0631
561		673.5200	had a- had a- other than like a summer job, had a working job,	676.4250
563		676.6255	and I was the office clerk	677.6840
565		678.2471	at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	678.8288
567		679.3102	But it was there	680.4383
569		680.9655	that I learned	682.1610
571		683.2690	that I had this thing in me to work with kids	685.5633
573		686.4153	because in the office,	687.6883
575		687.8328	teachers would send	688.8354
577		689.5348	the bad	690.2004
578	DCB_int_01	690.2051	The [kid, yeah.]	691.3642
579	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	690.6154	[children.]	691.0491
580		691.7718	And so out of that,	692.7883
582		693.1474	was born the Conflict Resolution and Peer Mediation Program	696.2330
584		696.4232	at /RD-SCHOOL-2/	697.0484
586		697.5014	and Peace Day and the Peace March and the Peace Rally	701.0172
588		701.3296	in our community.	702.2098
590		702.6994	[And-]	703.2776
591	DCB_int_01	702.6994	[Why did I not-] Why am I [surpri- or not surprised that you had a hand] in that.	706.4017
592	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	703.9304	[<laugh>]	705.9479
593		706.4390	<laugh>	706.9566
594	DCB_int_01	706.9693	Like, why?	707.5022
595	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	707.6094	But I mean, it goes back- even when I- when we graduated my sixth grade year, I got prin- the principal's award from Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/ and when she made her remarks- and I'll never forget this- she said I was the only student who- who had ever written her a memo.	717.5018
597		718.4530	Sixth grade, wrote her a memo cause we wanted to do a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles play	722.1262
599		722.6065	at school. And I wrote out the schedule, and this is what we wanna do. Do we have your approval?	727.1796
601		727.9817	And so it was the only child that had ever written her a memo.	729.7489
603		730.4856	Um,	730.9613
605		731.3191	so all- it- there was a-	732.9372
607		734.0143	I understood then	735.2127
609		735.4645	what community looked like	736.7095
611		737.0642	and what a school	738.1083
613		738.8532	should [look like.]	739.4534
614	DCB_int_01	739.0870	[Look like.]	739.4548
615	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	739.7159	A	739.8931
617		740.0796	school that was a hub in the community.	741.9681
619		742.4530	Oddly enough,	743.3203
621		743.5907	right across from the school was Tabernacle Baptist Church,	746.2195
623		746.7790	which is where	747.5857
625		748.8960	before and after care, vacation bible school, summer camp-	751.5620
627		753.7862	I'm forgetting something else.	754.7561
629		755.5441	All- all of that	756.5500
631		757.1470	happened at the same time, so I started pre school,	759.9774
633		760.4064	at Tabernacle's Child Development Center at three.	763.0584
635		763.7345	And so it was a natural- They had a great partnership with /RD-SCHOOL-2/, so you had	767.1618
637		767.6001	these two entities in this community,	769.8091
639		769.9956	church and school,	771.0028
641		771.9447	that was this beautiful picture,	773.5255
643		773.8274	and	774.4382
645		775.7858	you know, all of that stayed with me today and what community should look like, so.	779.2224
647		779.5534	And I still /have-/	780.1923
649		780.5222	Now, /RD-SCHOOl-2/ has changed, broke my heart.	782.7697
651		783.1008	When I went back,	784.0753
653		784.4903	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ was the la- one of the last open space schools	787.9516
655		788.4246	in DC to be converted	790.0985
657		790.3691	to rooms.	791.3243
659		792.3030	Um,	792.7227
661		793.2169	I was fine with the open space school. We learned great.	796.0007
663		796.2720	Apparently,	796.8400
665		796.9892	children today don't do so well	798.5500
666	DCB_int_01	798.7273	Right.	799.0258
667	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	798.9838	and	799.4967
668		800.0003	children don't do so well	801.2360
670		801.3712	in um-	802.7328
671	DCB_int_01	803.0965	We had a open space high school, and it was-	805.1050
673		805.6506	[but-]	805.9863
674	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	805.6974	[It's-]	805.9123
675		806.7417	Yeah, different- different strokes, different folks, I guess.	808.9240
677		809.8985	But um,	810.5500
679		811.0398	now they have	812.5738
681		812.8023	um,	813.3386
683		814.1639	closed it in.	814.8447
685		815.3949	There's new leadership,	816.2762
687		816.9139	but when I walked	818.1215
689		818.4899	into- and I had gone back a couple times.	820.8913
690	DCB_int_01	820.9222	Mm-hm.	821.1929
691	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	821.2131	I went- so,	822.1270
693		822.4382	I went back to work there.	823.8185
695		824.7277	Uh, I worked there for two years,	827.0545
697		827.8367	and then I went back to s- went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Community College full time.	830.8023
699		831.3292	But when I uh,	832.5882
701		832.8913	<laugh> needed some money, she said- Mrs. /RD-SCHOOL-2/ said, come on back. [You can] work and go to [school.]	836.3221
702	DCB_int_01	835.1843	[<laugh>]	835.3708
704		836.1021	[<laugh>]	836.2287
705	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	836.6251	So I worked there total for four years,	838.2618
707		838.4670	and you know, enjoyed it,	839.8052
709		840.4009	great starting pl- point for me.	842.0283
711		842.4060	Um,	842.9609
713		843.8188	but when I went back,	845.3902
715		845.9684	maybe within the last	847.1563
717		847.4221	three or four years,	848.6624
719		848.9922	it's a different place.	849.8515
721		851.1151	And I knew it was different from the moment I walked on the- the grounds.	854.1589
723		854.4666	When you come up Division Avenue, there's- there's- uh- You're coming up Division from Eastern,	858.8066
725		859.1423	and when you get to the apex of the hill, the school is like, right there [as you're coming] down.	862.7561
726	DCB_int_01	861.9308	[Mm.]	862.1965
727	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	863.1618	And so there's this big open area walkway, and these big steps that walk down.	866.8676
729		867.3899	When you can walk on a property,	868.7048
731		868.9053	and feel	869.9871
733		871.3662	different,	871.8418
735		872.4293	[like],	872.9142
736	DCB_int_01	872.4433	[You know.] [Mm.]	873.5344
737	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	873.3479	[so] this not my school.	874.5602
738		875.8414	[And as I walked-]	876.6508
739	DCB_int_01	875.8554	[Why do you think it's different?]	876.9048
740	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	877.4921	People are different.	878.3407
741	DCB_int_01	878.3967	Yeah- well,	879.0448
743		879.5158	I think that's a lot of [places.]	880.8400
744	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	880.3807	[The people] are different. And there- there are a couple of teachers who are there that I worked with.	884.1589
745		884.7977	There's maybe one or two that were there as- that who taught me,	887.9918
747		888.7040	but it's a different	889.9210
749		890.7184	mindset from the people within the building	892.5649
751		893.4229	and then the people that are coming into the building. [And-]	895.5946
752	DCB_int_01	895.1563	[Do you feel like] the pride is different? There's a la- [sig- lack] of- [lack of?] Mm.	899.0172
753	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	896.9282	[There's no pride.]	897.5997
755		898.0007	[Yeah.]	898.4530
756		899.2816	The um-	900.0885
758		901.1890	the days of Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ and Miss /RD-NAME-2/, I mean everybody	903.8655
760		904.3691	took pride	905.1618
762		905.4275	in /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	906.1864
764		906.3590	I mean, awards all over the place.	908.2521
766		908.7324	Visits all over the place. [When you] walked in, there was a sense that	912.3042
767	DCB_int_01	910.3731	[Mm.]	910.6917
768	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	913.1284	these children knew.	914.3684
770		915.0541	And you were-	915.6696
772		916.1033	you were expected.	917.1952
774		917.7260	It- it was /RD-NAME-2/ ish.	919.5713
775	DCB_int_01	919.6599	Mm-hm.	920.0436
776	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	920.0990	In kindergarten, you were expected	922.0706
778		922.1825	to	922.6069
780		923.0592	carry yourself a certain way,	924.6900
782		925.1610	and you know, without-	926.7650
784		927.6603	without reminding you to-	928.7747
786		928.8913	reminding you that you were a black	930.8113
788		931.1004	youth,	931.5946
790		932.0749	Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ gave you the type of pride that said to you as a black youth, pick your head up. As a black [youth]	937.4081
791	DCB_int_01	937.2356	[Mm.]	937.5760
792	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	937.9770	you know, speak this way, carry yourself this way, without ever	941.1711
794		941.6560	saying, hey, you black boy.	943.1187
796		943.5527	He just	944.0889
798		944.7930	exuded what	945.9960
800		946.3224	it looked like.	947.0872
802		947.6840	Uh, we had character and values assemblies where we talked about truth and honesty.	953.0371
804		953.6047	Um,	954.0652
806		955.1190	third grade, my teacher looked at me and said, you're gonna do the I Have A Dream speech	958.8260
808		959.2166	for MLK.	960.1829
810		960.4056	Okay,	960.9232
812		961.1050	cool.	961.5294
814		962.1542	Um,	962.6811
816		963.4979	I mean there were moments like that, [that gave] you	966.3963
817	DCB_int_01	965.1609	[Mm.]	965.6382
818	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	966.8019	the type of confidence. You know, I stepped it on the little stool. She said, when you stand up there, you wait for everybody to be quiet. And my mother will tell you just- I stood there almost a minute.	974.5878
820		975.6883	Third grade, stood there with my little suit on.	977.7166
822		978.0093	Almost a minute.	978.7413
824		979.2309	Until everybody stopped talking.	981.0466
826		981.1520	Cause that's what Miss /RD-NAME-2/, my third grade teacher said. Don't open your mouth	984.0943
828		984.4802	until everybody stops talking.	985.7625
830		986.0190	Almost a minute.	986.6969
832		988.1546	I say to you today- and somebody has a recording, we can't find out who it is. Somebody has a recording	993.5018
834		994.0380	of that.	994.4623
836		994.5882	But the- the sense of pride and awareness	997.1610
838		997.4314	that that gave me	998.5692
839	DCB_int_01	998.7557	[Mm-hm.]	999.1101
840	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	998.9609	[has] stayed with me	1000.5602
841	DCB_int_01	1000.6861	[Mm-hm.]	1001.1198
842	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1000.9939	[to] this day.	1001.7446
843		1002.0384	These people /trug/ me all across the city to the point-	1004.9422
845		1005.4085	I said, I love Doctor King, but I don't want to have this dream [anymore.] I don't want to say this speech no [more. This man] getting ready to come out his grave and tell me to be [quiet]	1012.5183
846	DCB_int_01	1008.0652	[<laugh>]	1008.2424
848		1009.4741	[<laugh>]	1010.1402
850		1012.3038	[<laugh>]	1012.7095
851	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1012.9706	and s- read somebody else's words.	1014.7134
853		1015.2682	But it built something in me	1016.9469
855		1017.3572	um,	1018.0333
857		1019.3063	that I don't-	1019.8425
859		1020.1305	we don't- it's not there. That	1021.6366
861		1021.8371	energy is not there in that school anymore.	1023.7349
862	DCB_int_01	1024.2251	[Mm.]	1024.5798
863	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1024.4017	[And I] walked around and- and	1025.6374
864		1026.1678	you just didn't feel it.	1026.9045
865	DCB_int_01	1027.0071	You didn't feel it.	1027.6133
866	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1027.6180	Mm-mm.	1028.0236
867	DCB_int_01	1028.1029	Where'd you go after /RD-SCHOOL-2/?	1029.2966
868	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1029.6696	Um, so I- I actually went legit and went to Prince George's County [schools.]	1033.6086
869	DCB_int_01	1033.2030	[<laugh>]	1033.7252
870	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1034.2148	Um,	1034.7697
872		1035.3106	I [auditioned for-]	1036.3924
873	DCB_int_01	1035.5577	[No longer going] rogue.	1037.0326
874	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1037.0093	No. No more rogue- no more- I'm telling you, DCPS is gonna track me down and send me like a eighty thousand dollar tuition bill	1042.1047
875		1042.6968	uh, for eight years of school there.	1044.2869
877		1044.6786	Um,	1045.2008
879		1045.4340	but I went to-	1046.1987
881		1046.4820	I auditioned for /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	1047.8808
883		1048.2772	It was a magnet school,	1049.2797
885		1049.8719	and- cause I was, you know, in my art world and been introduced to all these things at /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	1054.5150
887		1054.9296	and I wanted to do theater and	1056.1967
889		1056.7035	all of that.	1057.2273
891		1058.0272	And /RD-SCHOOL-4/ said, yeah, your audition-	1060.2005
893		1060.5969	Your Raisin in the Sun monologue was cute. But we good. We don't want you to come to our school.	1064.3387
895		1064.4732	I said, okay.	1065.0820
897		1065.8182	[Um-]	1066.4199
898	DCB_int_01	1066.2138	[Which] monologue did you do?	1067.1380
899	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1067.6375	I did uh,	1068.6356
901		1068.9654	mama I want-	1069.7724
903		1069.9140	I- It's okay. I want her to have some pearls.	1072.0872
905		1072.5261	[I- it's-] what's wrong with [my wife can't have pearls.]	1075.0999
906	DCB_int_01	1072.5400	[Mm.]	1072.7885
908		1073.6311	[My wife having some pearls.]	1075.1144
909	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1075.8219	So, did it and poured my little heart out,	1077.7970
911		1078.0447	didn't get into /RD-SCHOOL-2/. I ended up going to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1080.5153
913		1081.0433	Um,	1081.6804
915		1082.0272	right in like, Largo, in that area.	1084.1520
916	DCB_int_01	1084.1400	Mm. [Mm-hm.]	1085.3515
917	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1084.5969	[And um,]	1085.3543
918		1085.6516	I guess-	1085.9985
920		1086.4557	/Damn/- I guess I was a little rogue there too	1088.0272
922		1088.3245	cause it	1088.6785
924		1088.8625	wasn't my neighborhood school so we used my cousin's address.	1091.5030
925	DCB_int_01	1091.5420	<laugh>	1092.0420
926	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1092.0062	Hope I ain't get nobody in trouble by saying this, but	1093.8219
927		1094.0877	anyway,	1094.4520
929		1094.9145	went there, and still had- but it was the place I was supposed to [be.]	1097.8569
930	DCB_int_01	1097.6181	[Be.]	1097.8717
931		1098.4557	And [why you say] that?	1099.1778
932	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1098.5902	[Be.]	1098.8875
933		1099.2627	Um,	1099.9524
935		1101.0678	It was- I had a more authentic experience,	1102.7385
937		1103.1585	and I j- I jokingly talk about /RD-SCHOOL-2/ p- you know, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ taught you	1106.3679
939		1106.7269	the theater where you	1107.6702
941		1107.9377	perform with your hands. Look the sun	1109.8479
943		1110.2210	is in the sky. It shines on the flower.	1113.3253
945		1113.7124	And all that, you know. I had a different experience at- at /RD-SCHOOL-3/. I grew as a leader,	1118.2553
947		1118.7832	and again a principal. I had a- I ha- there was a culture in that school	1122.5025
949		1123.2980	that was different,	1124.0300
951		1124.2412	that was nurturing.	1125.1915
953		1125.4590	Uh, /RD-NAME-6/ was my seventh grade principal.	1128.1583
955		1128.5448	/RD-NAME-5/.	1130.1853
957		1130.4524	Doctor /RD-NAME-5/ was my eighth grade principal.	1132.9117
959		1133.6156	She didn't take no stuff.	1134.6715
961		1134.9671	Uh, and at a point where I was starting to, I guess, feel myself	1137.6772
963		1138.1374	a little bit, she helped get that	1139.5452
965		1139.9816	[in line.]	1140.6644
966	DCB_int_01	1139.9957	[Mm.]	1140.2884
967	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1141.3543	Um,	1141.8189
969		1141.9878	but again, nurtured opportunity	1143.9095
970	DCB_int_01	1143.9259	[Mm.]	1144.2734
971	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1144.1444	[for] me	1144.6724
972		1145.2566	to lead, to speak,	1146.8615
974		1147.7344	et cetera, to do these things that I try to help give kids now, that I love	1152.1365
976		1152.3054	you know, doing so much with 'em now.	1153.7626
978		1154.3750	Um,	1154.8466
980		1155.7546	and then because of the art experience there, I was ready to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ gr- uh,	1159.5795
982		1160.9240	interview for /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School.	1162.1840
984		1162.5175	Got into the both-	1163.5382
986		1163.9112	the theater and the TV production apart- departments.	1166.1497
987	DCB_int_01	1166.5087	I'm not [surprised]	1167.6139
988	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1167.3604	[<laugh>]	1168.3486
989	DCB_int_01	1167.8488	[at either of] those.	1168.7498
990	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1168.7712	Yup.	1169.0060
992		1169.1943	Stuck with theater,	1170.2632
994		1170.4040	um, loved it.	1171.6992
996		1172.3679	Um,	1172.9733
998		1173.2901	but got to my junior year	1175.0032
1000		1175.6015	and realized that my life was not gonna be an artist- I wasn't gonna be- live a life as an artist.	1181.0595
1002		1181.5523	And I loved everything that- from that point,	1183.9315
1004		1185.8321	dance, vocal music,	1187.5874
1006		1188.0591	theater, everything that it had taught me.	1189.7626
1008		1189.9385	Discipline,	1190.5932
1010		1191.1985	expression,	1192.1348
1012		1193.1651	pride,	1193.8294
1014		1194.1717	all of that was great, but I realize	1196.1990
1016		1196.5369	it was not gonna be my life. I'm not going to Broadway. I'm not-	1199.2284
1017	DCB_int_01	1199.2003	<laugh>	1200.0566
1018	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1200.0732	This is not what I'm gonna do. Uh, I ain't about that life.	1202.2623
1020		1202.5157	But this was also around the time where I was wrestling with my call to ministry	1206.2210
1022		1206.9108	and having all these spiritual moments	1209.9236
1023	DCB_int_01	1209.9799	Mm-hm.	1210.5537
1024	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1210.5034	and you know, from the Bible that fell off my shelf	1213.6288
1025		1214.1427	and the fell open to Jeremiah chapter one, and I know the path that I have for you,	1219.6288
1027		1219.8963	thoughts to prosper you, and I'm like, I don't know what that means.	1222.4330
1029		1222.9187	And had grown up in church, and but still just wrestling with all of that, [so]	1226.0652
1030	DCB_int_01	1225.7062	[Mm-hm.]	1226.1638
1031	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1226.7762	now the	1227.6561
1033		1228.4471	path was turning from art to,	1230.2139
1035		1230.5166	alright, let's go save the world.	1231.8611
1037		1232.4383	Let's go, you know- we gonna go preach the word.	1234.4726
1039		1235.1792	So much so that in my eleventh grade year, I completely lost my mind and thought that I was gonna save the world	1240.2032
1041		1240.5175	with a one point oh GPA.	1242.3899
1043		1243.5584	Yeah, junior year was my rough year. I went from a	1245.9940
1045		1246.9469	two two	1247.7423
1047		1248.1224	to a one three	1249.1783
1049		1249.8048	to a one point oh.	1251.0859
1051		1252.0881	And the fear of God through my five foot mother,	1255.7088
1053		1256.3820	<ts> said, let it drop again.	1258.0081
1055		1258.8835	And at the time was trying to start	1260.6152
1057		1261.0657	/RD-SCHOOL-2/'s first Christian Club. We gonna start the Christian Club!	1263.7969
1059		1264.2289	And my mother- And again, another-	1266.5237
1061		1266.9179	I've been surrounded my great women,	1268.3468
1063		1269.0578	present company included.	1270.0081
1064	DCB_int_01	1270.3301	<ts> [Thank you.]	1271.0275
1065	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1270.7668	[Um,]	1271.4044
1066		1272.0950	Doctor	1273.0023
1068		1273.4517	/RD-NAME-5/	1274.4946
1070		1274.7692	was my	1275.3675
1072		1276.2755	tenth through twelfth grade principal at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1278.2562
1074		1278.9812	And I remember the day sitting in her office in-	1281.0484
1076		1281.2541	with my mother.	1281.8980
1078		1282.3978	What- what Christian Club you starting,	1283.6930
1079	DCB_int_01	1284.5237	[<laugh>]	1285.9458
1080	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1284.9038	[<laugh> with that.] That's not gonna work.	1287.0296
1081	DCB_int_01	1287.9121	[Jesus ain't nowhere in that is he? mm-mm.]	1290.2843
1082	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1287.9262	[And so-]	1288.6935
1084		1288.9226	[No, he wasn't.]	1289.9253
1086		1290.1858	[Mm-mm.] I think he was sitting over in the corner just you know sipping his tea or- or [saying no, or-]	1294.5641
1087	DCB_int_01	1293.7291	[<laugh>] With them loa- with them wafers.	1295.8517
1088	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1295.8972	Mm- [With them wafers. He was] breaking bread [for me, and] he was getting that cup together cause I needed something.	1300.8402
1089	DCB_int_01	1296.1365	[Mm-mm.]	1297.0798
1091		1297.7907	[<laugh>]	1298.4876
1092	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1301.4396	Um, and I think everybody has that moment	1303.5514
1094		1304.1286	but	1304.5087
1096		1304.6988	that just was where mine was, and I was just gung ho.	1307.0595
1098		1307.4537	I was making, and I still have them. I have to	1309.4599
1100		1309.7414	bring you one.	1310.1990
1102		1310.7340	These things called spiritual vitamin.	1312.4586
1104		1312.9046	I mean I was serious. I was gonna be- It was me	1314.8545
1106		1315.1853	and my little purple Bible that fell off the shelf and the Lord and we was gonna go save	1319.4044
1108		1319.7705	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School.	1320.6614
1110		1321.1431	Um, and every night- my mama bought me a- this a old Apple,	1325.0524
1112		1325.2918	old, like old- the little box Apple computer	1327.8215
1114		1328.1849	that had the rainbow apple on it.	1329.6843
1116		1329.8431	Funny,	1330.1303
1118		1330.6160	the irony of that.	1331.5663
1120		1332.3125	Um,	1332.8999
1121	DCB_int_01	1333.2909	[<laugh>]	1336.2569
1122	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1334.1708	[<laugh>]	1335.8277
1123		1336.8413	[So I would print- <laugh>]	1338.6292
1124	DCB_int_01	1337.0384	[I love you /RD-NAME-2/. I love] you.	1339.1149
1125	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1339.4247	I would print these- I made these little things on Print Shop,	1342.1444
1127		1342.8413	and there was a little greeting card thing, but it was a spiritual vitamin. And every- on the front,	1347.0437
1129		1347.7432	it said,	1348.4893
1131		1348.7920	You were- you were destined for greatness.	1351.1361
1133		1351.6358	Here's your daily spiritual vit- I was	1353.4238
1135		1353.6702	proud of my title. /unintelligible/ Here's your daily spiritual vitamin from Minister /RD-NAME-4/.	1358.0089
1137		1358.3398	I'd started a group from New Faith [Ministries.]	1361.4255
1138	DCB_int_01	1360.5949	[<laugh>]	1361.4819
1139	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1361.8409	I had the date [on it.] I put little star stickers on it.	1365.5998
1140	DCB_int_01	1362.5190	[<laugh>]	1363.0417
1141	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1366.0459	and inside, there will be a scripture at the top and a little message. It was like the little daily bread,	1370.5650
1143		1371.1634	and on the back I'd have a [little quote.]	1372.7558
1144	DCB_int_01	1372.1655	[Like the little people] at the Metro giving out a little [card.]	1374.6110
1145	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1374.0520	[Passing 'em out.]	1374.7278
1146		1375.0094	E- Every morning, my junior, my senior year. And people got mad	1379.1369
1148		1379.5874	when I ran out. They- I mean, were [upset, teachers and students.]	1383.2272
1149	DCB_int_01	1381.7344	[Oh wow, you had a following.]	1383.6112
1150	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1383.6182	We had the, you know, and it was- And I didn't realize until	1386.7185
1152		1387.1994	I graduated	1388.2975
1154		1389.2689	how-	1389.6289
1156		1389.8172	what the impact was.	1390.9187
1158		1391.2918	And not until a year ago,	1392.9179
1160		1393.5232	one of my friends took a picture	1395.1422
1162		1395.5223	of one she kept from the last- my last day.	1398.2280
1164		1398.6433	Last day I did a whole sheet.	1400.1227
1165	DCB_int_01	1400.1356	<laugh> You had [to give the-]	1401.6014
1166	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1401.0437	[I said we gonna] go out in style.	1402.7558
1167		1403.4326	And she took a picture that she still had it,	1405.4147
1169		1406.1356	and posted it on Facebook, and she's like, I still have this. Remember you know, when we- when you did these.	1410.4814
1171		1410.8545	That you know- that m- made a difference. Blah blah blah blah blah.	1413.3068
1173		1414.7427	So I think it was around that time I was really grappling with,	1417.1220
1175		1417.6570	Yeah, art thing is cool but that's not what I wanna do.	1420.5034
1177		1420.6794	I want to help people.	1422.0239
1179		1422.4110	Um,	1422.8827
1181		1424.5228	and that's, you know, that's kind of where my head was even when I graduated.	1428.1607
1183		1428.5096	And I think cause I grappled with that so much I didn't know what I wanted to do was- when I got to	1432.8343
1185		1433.3692	/RD-SCHOOL-5/ I was like all over the place, like	1435.6733
1186	DCB_int_01	1435.6250	Mm.	1435.9393
1187	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1436.5298	okay.	1436.9803
1189		1437.4097	I went down there a little happy [Christian.]	1438.9768
1190	DCB_int_01	1438.6301	[But aren't] there theological- Isn't it a [theological school?] That's what- okay.	1441.6781
1191	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1440.3266	[Mm-hm.]	1441.0586
1192		1441.6851	Mm-hm.	1442.2694
1194		1442.5509	But see- and the- and the other side of this was [much as I was doing all that],	1445.3758
1195	DCB_int_01	1444.4049	[Well that's more] theoretical, [theological as] well.	1447.1994
1196	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1446.3477	[Yeah.]	1446.6917
1197		1447.2065	And I was a little rebel.	1448.0793
1199		1448.4102	I was a little rebel. I never [liked-]	1449.9165
1200	DCB_int_01	1449.5294	[Obviously. Using people's address and stuff, right.	1452.2843
1201	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1450.5146	[Little bit still are. <laugh>]	1452.2773
1202		1453.0375	I didn't w- I didn't-	1454.2764
1204		1455.6631	I didn't- as much as I grew up in the church,	1457.4255
1206		1457.6156	I didn't want	1458.3970
1208		1458.9249	to be	1459.7203
1210		1459.9174	churchy.	1460.5316
1212		1461.5320	And even it's gotten-	1462.5597
1214		1463.0243	I don't wanna say worse, but it's gotten worse now,	1464.8263
1216		1465.0798	and I didn't want-	1465.8893
1218		1466.3186	/RD-SCHOOL-5/ is where black Baptist preachers go for school.	1469.6226
1219	DCB_int_01	1469.7775	Mm-hm.	1470.1362
1220	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1470.1365	You are a black Baptist preacher, you go to /RD-SCHOOL-5/.	1472.5791
1222		1472.7973	You don't go anywhere else.	1473.6561
1224		1474.4119	And that-	1474.9470
1226		1475.8761	I didn't want that.	1476.5518
1227	DCB_int_01	1477.9033	[How'd you end up there?]	1478.9170
1228	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1478.1075	[I didn't want that.]	1478.7351
1229	DCB_int_01	1479.9940	Cause you wanted to be the black Baptist /trea/-	1481.5311
1231		1481.7212	preacher but not really?	1482.8590
1232	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1482.8860	Yeah.	1483.3754
1234		1483.5584	And I don't-	1484.0090
1236		1484.1460	It's funny. I don't even remember who	1486.0644
1238		1486.8765	suggested it,	1487.7564
1240		1487.9535	but I went for a visit and went- It was a nice school.	1490.2342
1242		1490.6847	Nice campus, it was small enough. I didn't wanna do a big school.	1493.3311
1244		1494.0591	Uh, as crazy as I am, I'm still very much a introvert,	1496.8747
1246		1497.4168	so the idea of a big campus freaked me out.	1499.3225
1247	DCB_int_01	1499.3692	What color are you?	1500.1013
1248	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1501.2276	Green.	1501.6781
1250		1502.5721	Yeah.	1502.8395
1251	DCB_int_01	1503.5435	What's your second color?	1504.2826
1252	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1504.7216	Blue.	1504.9398
1253	DCB_int_01	1505.1158	Mm-hm.	1505.6015
1254	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1505.6930	Yeah.	1505.9394
1255	DCB_int_01	1506.0380	Yup.	1506.2632
1256	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1506.8967	So I didn't wanna go to- like, they were like, you can go to VCU.	1508.9803
1258		1509.1601	Ooh.	1509.7200
1260		1509.8742	That was-	1510.5290
1262		1510.7498	and I remember walking	1511.6792
1264		1512.3477	up Broad Street from /RD-SCHOOL-5/	1514.2967
1266		1514.4454	to VCU on some days.	1516.4374
1268		1517.2487	Too much.	1517.7142
1270		1518.5589	Too much. Cause	1519.3754
1272		1521.0507	I don't know. I'm- I'm introvert- And I'm realizing more and more what- /that does not-/	1524.1928
1274		1524.9671	that's not shy, that there's a difference of [what that-]	1527.2062
1275	DCB_int_01	1526.7903	[Right.]	1527.1070
1276	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1527.6913	You know [it really mean-]	1528.4488
1277	DCB_int_01	1527.8814	[It's just the way] you charge. I think I have learned that I'm more introverted too like,	1532.1849
1278		1532.7340	extroverts really feed off people,	1534.8061
1279	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1534.8624	Yeah.	1535.1158
1280	DCB_int_01	1535.2988	and they need that to like, charge them whereas introverts, you can still be very- but at the end of the day you need to recharge [by being] alone.	1541.7214
1281	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1540.8261	[Yup.]	1541.1721
1282		1541.7798	Yup.	1541.9534
1283	DCB_int_01	1542.2491	And I realize I'm very much that.	1543.8329
1284	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1543.8400	Yup.	1544.0441
1285	DCB_int_01	1544.1427	Like I can be Miss sunshine at the office, but when I go home,	1546.7558
1286	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1546.7272	Mm-hm.	1547.0947
1287	DCB_int_01	1547.2566	I just need it like-	1548.2280
1288	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1548.2091	Yeah.	1548.5237
1289	DCB_int_01	1548.5729	I- I play my TV with like, the captions, so I can have the volume really low. [Like I don't] need all that.	1552.6416
1290	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1551.6702	[Yeah.]	1552.1845
1291		1552.8554	The noise.	1553.3270
1293		1553.5945	The people meter. When- And I know-	1555.3965
1295		1555.8611	I know when my people meter is getting low.	1558.4938
1296	DCB_int_01	1558.5456	Mm-hm.	1559.0173
1297	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1559.0243	And I tell the teachers a lot, um, okay, if we doing drop offs, then we need to go ahead and go now cause in about a hour,	1564.9258
1299		1565.3340	I don't need to be around people.	1566.5377
1301		1566.7208	And it's not personal. As now that- that meter's gonna be at zero	1570.3037
1303		1570.7850	and either, one, you're not gonna like me,	1572.9390
1305		1573.5443	um,	1574.1708
1307		1574.6073	or you probably not gonna like me.	1576.0503
1309		1576.2500	And	1576.6583
1311		1576.8624	I ain't gonna really care cause at that point	1579.0798
1313		1579.4528	[I don't have anything left.]	1580.6354
1314	DCB_int_01	1579.4528	[You reached that point.]	1580.5650
1315		1580.7762	Mm-hm.	1581.2689
1316	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1581.5787	And then I'm empty and I don't-	1582.8480
1318		1583.2706	I've been in a place where I'm trying to operate on fumes. That- that's not fun.	1586.7199
1320		1586.9381	That's not a fun place.	1587.9588
1321	DCB_int_01	1588.7920	So at /RD-SCHOOL-5/ you just didn't-	1590.2421
1323		1590.6715	[It's six months, first semester.]	1592.4354
1324	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1590.6799	[/It wasn't a g-]	1591.1959
1326		1591.6426	[Yeah.]	1592.1452
1327		1592.5968	[It wasn't a fit.]	1593.1716
1328	DCB_int_01	1592.6195	[Was it? Ish?]	1593.6530
1329	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1593.8725	The other thing was is that, you know, my mom raised me	1596.9418
1331		1597.4585	pretty close knit.	1598.2145
1333		1598.7186	And I'm a mama's boy, [if that-] if that hasn't been	1601.1708
1334	DCB_int_01	1599.6884	[You are.]	1600.2122
1335	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1601.3155	noted [/or something/.]	1602.3960
1336	DCB_int_01	1601.8050	[Oh you know I was] wondering. I couldn't [quite decide.]	1605.0029
1337	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1603.7063	[<laugh>]	1605.2354
1338		1606.0353	I am. So I- I don't s- I'm not a brat because she taught me how to stand on my own	1610.9765
1340		1611.4902	um,	1611.9362
1342		1612.2901	but I was r- I was raised very close knit,	1614.1306
1344		1614.7365	very kind of under the wing.	1616.1594
1346		1616.7965	And	1617.3982
1348		1618.2238	so the college	1619.3449
1350		1619.5714	freedom	1620.1802
1352		1621.0267	caught me of guard.	1622.2868
1354		1622.6336	Um, and I lost a little bit of my mind, got down and you know, for the first time you're	1626.9489
1356		1627.3736	able to	1628.0319
1358		1628.2585	be free and confront and do and oh, okay.	1631.4935
1360		1632.0245	So I was doing more	1634.0434
1362		1634.9168	freedom and e- exploring	1636.8918
1364		1637.0617	than I was	1638.1536
1365	DCB_int_01	1638.0994	Mm.	1638.3401
1366	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1638.5524	studying	1639.1683
1368		1639.7842	and working,	1640.7115
1370		1641.7026	which didn't do so well for me. I went down and I remember my god mother went with us,	1645.2179
1372		1645.6780	she pro- was proclaiming across the campus, this is little minister right here! I was like, okay, don't do that.	1650.5029
1374		1651.3028	Um, [and then I was-]	1652.7605
1375	DCB_int_01	1652.3222	[Cause I gotta see] these people on Monday.	1653.6176
1376	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1653.6035	Mm.	1654.0565
1377	DCB_int_01	1654.3467	[Hush.]	1654.9327
1378	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1654.3609	[But then I was] in my little thing- I was putting my little	1656.4704
1379		1656.9772	spiritual vitamin sheets on my door	1658.7611
1381		1659.2141	and- and	1659.9786
1383		1660.6865	then I had to take those down cause it wasn't lining up	1663.3524
1385		1663.5506	too much with what what [was going on.]	1665.1575
1386	DCB_int_01	1664.4213	[Was going on on] the other side [of the door.]	1666.1839
1387	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1665.5964	[Mm.]	1666.1769
1388	DCB_int_01	1666.3184	[Mm.]	1667.0263
1389	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1666.3255	[Mm-mm.]	1667.0476
1390		1667.6676	And so that-	1668.6303
1392		1669.7417	And it's probably the first time I really looked at me	1671.9928
1394		1672.3397	and	1672.6299
1396		1672.9201	started to see	1674.0032
1398		1675.1258	and make choices for myself. I went to college cause	1677.8937
1400		1678.1698	that's what you supposed to [do when] you [graduate high] school.	1680.2864
1401	DCB_int_01	1679.0476	[To do.]	1679.3665
1403		1679.7242	[Yeah.]	1679.9649
1404	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1680.7931	And I never s- at any point said, hey,	1682.9451
1406		1683.2991	this is what I wanna do to do this. I went cause that's what you supposed to do when you graduate high school.	1687.6189
1407	DCB_int_01	1687.9895	So let me ask you a question. This kind of getting off t- Do you feel like you	1690.9414
1409		1691.2245	give that message now, like	1692.8781
1411		1693.6426	look, do what you wanna do. Do you but do something- [but] do you.	1697.2812
1412	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1696.5287	[Yeah.]	1696.7843
1413		1698.9418	<cough>	1699.4231
1415		1699.6143	I think-	1700.2372
1417		1701.7592	I think I give it	1702.5379
1419		1702.6724	without saying it,	1703.6705
1420	DCB_int_01	1703.8870	Mm-hm.	1704.2905
1421	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1704.5170	but I think I also try to give it	1705.7913
1423		1706.2939	with saying that.	1706.8319
1425		1707.2920	I think I give it by saying it just cause this the life I live	1709.5360
1427		1710.2126	um, in a lot of ways, and I think the older I get- Just turned thirty five-	1713.4477
1429		1713.6105	Woo woo.	1713.9857
1431		1714.7290	[Um-]	1715.2316
1432	DCB_int_01	1714.7290	[And July] babies [are the best.]	1716.5463
1433	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1715.5968	[That's right.] Yes we are.	1717.2674
1434		1718.1452	I think the more- the older I get	1719.5964
1436		1719.8158	and the- the more I'm liberated	1722.0032
1438		1722.4958	in that sense of knowing who you are and being who you are and doing something with your life	1728.9843
1439	DCB_int_01	1729.3311	[Mm-hm.]	1729.7983
1440	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1729.4798	[and knowing] that your existence is your existence,	1733.0440
1441		1733.4298	not anybody else's, and that your life should not look like everybody else's life.	1737.4123
1443		1738.3326	That's my message more and more.	1740.0528
1445		1740.1773	I struggle with the fact that I hadn't finished school and I look- and I get frustrated sometimes, and I look around and I say, what these people are doing this and they /going/ this and,	1746.8710
1447		1747.6568	why is it not-	1749.0513
1449		1749.3061	what is the- <clap>	1750.2193
1451		1750.7573	what is the thing with me for why it's such an issue? There are other people that work and go to school. There are other people that take care of sick parents and go to school.	1758.1377
1453		1758.7436	It's always been this thing. And I- for the longest time I couldn't figure it-	1762.2052
1455		1762.8918	[I still] haven't quite figured it.	1764.3775
1456	DCB_int_01	1762.9479	[Out.]	1763.1896
1457	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1764.7931	I'm at a point now where I want to do it	1766.8672
1459		1767.1150	for me,	1767.8725
1461		1768.8210	and so figuring out how to get around whatever it is that's blocking it.	1771.7913
1463		1772.5639	But it's about me	1773.3557
1465		1773.7380	wanting to do it, to deepen	1775.4086
1467		1775.7979	my own knowledge base	1777.4090
1469		1778.4213	[and to-]	1779.0796
1470	DCB_int_01	1778.5770	[And that's the only] time you're gonna do it, when you wanna [do it. Not when] everybody else says you should	1782.2368
1471	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1780.5379	[Yeah.]	1781.0051
1472		1782.2905	Yeah.	1782.6445
1473	DCB_int_01	1782.9064	or whatever the case may be. Because guess what?	1784.9168
1475		1785.0867	They can say all you- You know, people can say, oh, you need to lose weight.	1788.3330
1477		1788.6374	Alright, but until you want to get into the gym, [until you] want to eat right,	1791.6247
1478	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1790.6336	[Yup.]	1790.9168
1479	DCB_int_01	1791.9645	you still gonna [not lose weight or] whatever it is that you want to do, you have- there has to be something deep down.	1798.0585
1480	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1792.7998	[/They ain't gonna do it./ Yeah.]	1793.9961
1482		1798.0564	Right.	1798.3892
1483	DCB_int_01	1798.4742	Otherwise, we'll find every- we'll- we'll make an excuse [to make an excuse.]	1802.0311
1484	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1801.1754	[Yeah.]	1801.6568
1485		1802.0319	Yup.	1802.3788
1486	DCB_int_01	1802.9664	[Until] like, your just, I'm tired of making [excuses. Like], it's a waste of my time.	1807.1382
1487	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1802.9876	[Yeah.]	1803.4265
1489		1805.5643	[Yeah.]	1806.0599
1491		1807.1258	Yup.	1807.3807
1492		1807.7417	Yup.	1808.0178
1494		1808.4496	And I think I- I s- I'm seeing the	1810.2830
1496		1810.6936	connect with	1811.6251
1498		1812.0357	you know, going and living the life that I wanna live	1814.6903
1500		1814.9168	for myself, and doing what I wanna do for me.	1816.8777
1502		1817.0192	Then it's- I see it as a part of that, and I hadn't made that connection before.	1819.9116
1504		1820.3009	And I used to beat myself op-	1821.3203
1506		1821.6601	beat [myself] up over that.	1823.0830
1507	DCB_int_01	1821.7946	[Mm-hm.]	1822.1969
1508	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1823.6634	But I realize my journey's my journey	1825.3524
1509	DCB_int_01	1826.0459	Wh-	1826.1654
1510	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1826.1169	[and that it's not a bad thing that I] got it	1828.1910
1511	DCB_int_01	1826.5002	[whatever it is. Yup.]	1827.6450
1512	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1828.4742	at this point and this person got it at that point.	1830.4675
1514		1830.8002	I got it.	1831.3948
1515	DCB_int_01	1831.7842	[Mm-hm.]	1832.2797
1516	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1831.8974	[So], let's get it.	1832.7965
1517	DCB_int_01	1833.4265	And- but the thing is- one thing that I think is so beautiful about your story	1837.2617
1519		1837.7275	is	1838.4425
1521		1839.8512	look how many people you've touched and changed like,	1842.7931
1523		1843.2816	along the way.	1844.0461
1525		1844.3222	The things- it was so funny I was talking to /RD-NAME-3/ earlier,	1846.5025
1527		1846.9697	and	1847.4723
1529		1848.3755	she cried	1849.2603
1531		1849.4302	when she talked about you.	1850.4496
1533		1850.7115	Like,	1851.1079
1535		1851.3628	tears.	1851.9149
1537		1852.4388	And she was just saying how much- she said the thing that made it so important for her	1857.5893
1539		1857.9432	was when you were	1859.2670
1541		1859.6068	interviewing her, something about listening.	1861.2179
1543		1861.5576	And she said,	1862.1027
1545		1862.7398	you don't know what that means when somebody just	1864.9626
1547		1865.1608	listens. And she said you could have said everything else under [the sun but when] you said that, it was done.	1869.7663
1548	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1867.9399	[<laugh>]	1868.4638
1549	DCB_int_01	1870.3892	Ink was dry for her.	1871.5183
1550	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1871.5714	/Right./	1871.9183
1551	DCB_int_01	1872.0357	And I think that that's what is so amazing about your journey, is	1876.6370
1553		1876.9131	how many people- how many- at nineteen oh one-	1880.1664
1555		1880.3646	Even- not even- even before, I can't even talk about that, but over the last three years that you've been here,	1884.8922
1557		1885.2886	how many kids' lives have you changed	1887.5256
1559		1888.5804	drastically, for whatever path they may have been on	1891.9611
1560	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1891.9399	Uh.	1892.2018
1561	DCB_int_01	1892.3293	or whatever pa- you know what I mean? Like,	1894.1627
1563		1894.6087	oh no, Mr. /RD-NAME-2/, it [doesn't matter]	1896.5500
1564	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1895.9649	[<laugh>]	1896.5737
1565	DCB_int_01	1896.8639	if Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ had a two point three but Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ said, I need to go to college.	1900.2193
1566	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1900.2314	Right.	1900.5379
1567	DCB_int_01	1900.8210	Or Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ said, I need to have a job.	1902.5500
1569		1902.8710	And how many of them went to get a job?	1904.8035
1571		1905.1575	Or went to college or	1907.1396
1573		1907.4935	you know, still tryna do what they do because Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ said it.	1910.5416
1574	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1910.5305	Right.	1910.7453
1575	DCB_int_01	1910.7752	And I think that-	1911.8017
1577		1912.1415	you can't put a price on that. You can't-	1914.4038
1579		1914.6940	you can't quantify that. [You can't] say, oh well, she did /at this/, you did that.	1919.7696
1580	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1916.4071	[Yeah.]	1916.7799
1581		1920.7153	Yeah.	1920.9843
1582	DCB_int_01	1920.9984	Yeah, but look how many people you've touched along the way.	1923.3274
1583	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1923.7096	That's why- I-	1924.4812
1585		1924.6441	there are a lot of things sometimes in my life that don't make sense, that are, you know- and I have	1928.6832
1587		1929.5044	prayed and cried and kicked and [screamed, and /with] god, like, for real, this is- this is what's going on.	1935.0301
1588	DCB_int_01	1931.2175	[<laugh>]	1932.0144
1589	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1936.2901	There are parts of my life I- I can't understand, can't figure out.	1939.1117
1591		1940.0603	This	1940.3434
1593		1940.5345	part of my life has always made sense. At the moment (snaps) that I realized it,	1943.9324
1595		1944.5666	at /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	1945.2745
1597		1945.8974	and said, hey	1946.7894
1599		1947.1858	Ms. /RD-NAME-2/, I really wanna start this peer mediation program cause these kids are wild. They keep coming in. Teachers keep sending them to me, and	1952.8531
1601		1953.4052	they just sitting and looking.	1954.4600
1603		1954.8635	<clears throat> From that point,	1956.3430
1605		1956.8993	through	1957.5223
1607		1957.8408	youth ministry and	1959.4831
1609		1960.2264	after school programs and mentoring programs and	1963.2674
1611		1963.4373	working /about/- and then I mean just all of these experiences that- that I've had,	1967.0192
1613		1967.5572	working with- it makes sense,	1968.8144
1615		1969.2745	you [know.]	1969.6222
1616	DCB_int_01	1969.4373	[Mm-hm.]	1969.8087
1617	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1969.8762	At the end of the day,	1971.0017
1619		1973.5219	even this transition	1974.5846
1621		1974.7537	for me	1975.2816
1623		1975.8337	back	1976.2868
1625		1976.5487	here	1977.0938
1627		1977.5751	to teen world	1978.6795
1628	DCB_int_01	1979.4552	[Cause you left the teens.] [You went to the little people.]	1981.8833
1629	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1979.4581	[makes sense.]	1980.2935
1631		1980.6515	[I left the teens, went] to the little [people-]	1982.6991
1632	DCB_int_01	1982.2939	[That didn't] work [out.]	1983.2070
1633	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1983.1845	And went to the little people slash grown people,	1985.1853
1634		1985.3660	and that-	1985.7342
1636		1985.9649	that didn't [work out.]	1986.7577
1637	DCB_int_01	1986.2268	[Yeah, it's the grown] people that sometimes you got to check more than the little people.	1989.1858
1638	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	1989.5256	And- and I had- I said this to	1991.3095
1640		1991.7201	one of our partners,	1992.7719
1642		1993.9753	if passion	1994.8319
1644		1995.5185	and pay	1996.3043
1646		1996.7502	is not enough to motivate you	1998.3642
1648		1999.3948	I don't have anything else to give you.	2000.6186
1649	DCB_int_01	2001.1079	[Mm.]	2001.4606
1650	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2001.3180	[I] don't.	2001.7804
1651	DCB_int_01	2001.8229	Mm-hm.	2002.2264
1652	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2002.8777	And I- I struggle-	2004.1094
1654		2004.4038	And I thought I wanted to be-	2006.4496
1656		2006.9522	I thought I wanted to- this next phase, I wanted my life to be, alright,	2010.2764
1658		2010.6232	let's train the trainer.	2012.0036
1660		2012.2655	Let's get with these	2013.7309
1662		2013.8795	first-	2014.4529
1664		2014.9839	uh, these first responders of youth development, let's train adults.	2019.5397
1666		2019.9928	I don't wanna do that	2020.8706
1668		2021.1396	because- and not- well I don't- I don't say I don't wanna do that. Uh, let me take that back	2024.7044
1670		2025.1575	cause I love	2025.9362
1672		2026.2122	training and [teaching, like] I love to go to workshops and	2029.1471
1673	DCB_int_01	2026.8847	[Mm-hm.]	2027.2882
1674	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2029.6497	once I stop being crazy and lazy and	2031.6813
1676		2031.8158	to run with this idea that I have,	2033.4865
1678		2033.9224	you know, I'm'a get a chance to go and train,	2035.7983
1680		2036.0744	but	2036.4071
1682		2036.8531	I think in this role as a supervisor and a manager of	2039.9466
1684		2040.4816	staff,	2041.2037
1686		2041.7913	I've struggled with that.	2042.8743
1688		2044.4175	Passion and pay drive- w- pay doesn't even drive me.	2047.0055
1690		2047.2533	This is clearly ain't a place for [pay to drive] you.	2049.0513
1691	DCB_int_01	2048.4708	[Amen.]	2049.0088
1692		2049.4052	Pay [ain't]	2050.0859
1693	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2049.8300	[<laugh>]	2050.7573
1694	DCB_int_01	2050.4459	[driving] you nowhere.	2051.2670
1695	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2051.5289	Passion drives me here	2052.9064
1697		2053.0834	but-	2053.3453
1699		2053.9399	And I know that that works for me, but if passion and the fact that this is your job	2058.1448
1701		2058.9630	doesn't drive you, I-	2060.4905
1703		2061.2283	And I've strugg- I don't know what else to give you.	2062.9485
1704	DCB_int_01	2063.0900	[ Mm-hm.]	2063.5077
1705	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2063.2387	[I can't] coach you	2064.4421
1706		2064.9064	to	2065.2674
1708		2065.4231	care.	2065.9753
1709	DCB_int_01	2066.1381	Mm-hm.	2066.5487
1710	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2067.1009	You have to bring that with you.	2068.5733
1712		2069.0405	I can't coach you to say,	2070.4138
1714		2071.0763	/even if I-/, you know, this is my job. This is what I'm getting paid to- even though the circumstances are not perfect in this particular	2076.8144
1716		2077.2603	organization but	2078.2301
1718		2080.1698	this is where you are.	2081.3944
1720		2081.7201	And if it's not where you gonna- where you don't wanna be,	2083.5930
1722		2083.7771	then leave.	2084.5770
1723	DCB_int_01	2084.6903	Right. Get on board or get out.	2086.0919
1724	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2086.0919	Don't stay and be a blockade to	2089.3311
1725		2090.0319	[the young person that needs] you to listen	2092.4388
1726	DCB_int_01	2090.2231	[Or a cancer.]	2091.4123
1727		2092.5096	Mm-hm.	2093.3449
1728	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2093.7171	or to hear or to bring your resources or to care.	2096.8814
1730		2098.6653	Like, li- and then- you know- and then, I guess the other struggle for me is that	2102.2301
1732		2103.2991	now not only do I not know what to give you, but now you pissing me off.	2106.4533
1733	DCB_int_01	2106.7648	I mean now you- <laugh>	2107.6214
1734	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2107.9753	Cause these- these kids mean- even the- the little people sometimes- I'll struggle with tryna figure out how to reach the little people,	2113.5364
1736		2114.1310	and I'm, you know- it's a challenge.	2115.9574
1738		2116.2335	But I love these- I love young people,	2118.9135
1740		2119.5794	so don't-	2120.0764
1742		2120.6511	don't come and n- don't do that. Cause now it's personal.	2124.1769
1744		2124.6073	And this- this is very personal for me. That's why my fr- my friends-	2127.3439
1746		2127.7262	some say, you are crazy. I am,	2129.4676
1748		2129.9065	and I get that,	2130.5790
1750		2131.0928	but I'm okay with it	2132.1759
1752		2132.7847	because you kind of need that to do this work	2135.0287
1754		2135.2482	the right way,	2136.0764
1756		2136.7247	you know? Well you don't make time. Well,	2138.6573
1758		2138.8626	<clap>	2139.0678
1760		2139.2448	okay.	2139.7899
1761	DCB_int_01	2141.1844	Do you [think] that's why you still- well I don't know if you single but	2143.7016
1762	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2141.2977	[/Th-/]	2141.4818
1763	DCB_int_01	2144.2184	not married?	2145.2307
1764	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2145.2165	Yeah.	2145.6837
1765	DCB_int_01	2146.2996	Cause you here all the time.	2147.7295
1766	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2147.7295	I am, and I think that's a big part-	2149.4214
1767		2149.6096	I think that's a big part of it.	2150.6856
1769		2151.0395	I'm-	2151.3581
1771		2151.8324	I think as much as I give,	2153.4959
1773		2154.5365	and I say that as humbly as I can. I know I- I try and give a lot.	2158.4553
1774	DCB_int_01	2159.0358	You [do] give a lot.	2160.0906
1775	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2159.2340	[/At the-/]	2159.5809
1777		2160.0622	<laugh>	2160.4587
1778		2160.9088	At the end of the day, I like going home to r- recharge, and it's just me.	2164.6239
1780		2165.3048	Um,	2165.7295
1782		2165.9844	I recently had uh, one of my godsons who now stays with me	2170.1084
1784		2170.5544	uh, graduate, and he's getting ready to go to school in the fall.	2173.7866
1786		2174.2821	And because he has an internship, uh, with Department of Energy,	2178.0764
1788		2178.6639	this is a little easier for him to be in DC.	2181.0466
1790		2181.2307	So I said, alright, well you can- you can hang.	2183.0216
1792		2184.0552	That's been a big adjustment	2185.4143
1794		2185.9777	because now I-	2186.9971
1796		2187.2448	I'm good with not having to say,	2189.3897
1798		2189.8145	oh, you know, hey let's plan	2191.7936
1800		2192.2042	what are we doing for dinner.	2194.1155
1802		2194.6111	I'm fine with going home and not having to have that conversation and not have to say- and not have to think,	2199.6979
1804		2200.2500	oh wait, there's two of us.	2201.7862
1805	DCB_int_01	2202.0009	[Mm-hm.]	2202.3459
1806	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2202.1543	[And people], you know, it would be great- companionship would be cool!	2205.1599
1807		2205.5280	But it takes more work than I want to [put in right] now.	2208.2534
1808	DCB_int_01	2207.3473	[/???/]	2207.8837
1809	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2208.7418	And I'm okay with that.	2209.7795
1810	DCB_int_01	2210.0819	[Mm.]	2210.3839
1811	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2210.1688	[It's all you] need- you need- you need some love.	2211.9456
1812		2212.6040	I'm good.	2213.1703
1813	DCB_int_01	2213.2977	[<laugh>]	2213.5384
1814	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2213.7437	I'm good. [I- Just cause I don't have-] just cause I'm not dating somebody doesn't mean I'm void of love, like	2218.4270
1815	DCB_int_01	2214.3666	[/inaudible/]	2215.1949
1817		2218.3208	Mm-hm.	2218.8093
1818	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2219.2482	mm, I still- I still have that,	2220.9471
1820		2221.0816	but	2221.4143
1822		2222.6431	I'm just not at that place where I wanna put that	2224.7172
1824		2224.9013	work	2225.3897
1826		2225.6163	into-	2226.3383
1828		2227.2840	that's work.	2227.9494
1830		2228.6573	Relationships are work,	2229.9032
1832		2230.6889	and I'm already in like, eighty relationships at one time right now, so I don't really have time for eighty one.	2235.5665
1834		2236.0093	And I'm okay w- and right now I'm okay with- /I thi-/ I would like to think at the point where	2239.8220
1836		2240.2821	I do want to /add/	2241.7474
1838		2242.1863	I'm either gonna d-	2243.0287
1840		2243.4322	subtract some	2244.4020
1842		2244.5861	or I'll make room.	2245.3364
1844		2246.0272	But that person has to understand.	2247.7616
1845	DCB_int_01	2249.7720	This is what you- you coming with the other eighty.	2251.5276
1846	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2251.7299	All of this.	2252.5723
1847	DCB_int_01	2252.9302	Mm-hm.	2253.3175
1848	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2253.6129	You know.	2254.0306
1850		2254.4412	And I don't know if that means I gotta- I got to be in a relationship with somebody that's in youth development, that gets it,	2258.5369
1852		2259.3156	or [is in human] services and gets it. That's a lot that you bring home.	2262.5365
1853	DCB_int_01	2259.5563	[Ooh.]	2260.1155
1854	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2262.8805	Last serious relationship I was in, you know,	2265.0254
1856		2265.6554	girlfriend,	2266.2571
1858		2266.7880	oddly enough.	2267.4605
1860		2268.2675	Um,	2268.9683
1862		2270.4024	we both were in youth work,	2271.7474
1864		2272.1934	and	2272.8163
1866		2274.1755	we got that. And that was a good part	2276.0768
1868		2276.2608	of- that was a good part of us	2277.8182
1870		2278.2359	because we got it.	2279.6375
1871	DCB_int_01	2279.7932	Mm-hm.	2280.2817
1872	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2280.5011	We can come home and talk about the- the good and the bad and cry about the bad and celebrate the good and go	2285.7012
1874		2286.2180	you know, show up for each other's kids at events and programs and like, who was that? Oh. Oh, okay cool. Yeah, [/well/ you go.] I don't know your name little boy, but	2293.7087
1875	DCB_int_01	2291.8994	[Mm.]	2292.2463
1876	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2294.1405	good job. [I'm proud of you for getting] that award cause you broke your foot and you still ran it- across the track or [whatever.]	2299.3010
1877	DCB_int_01	2294.4166	[<laugh>]	2295.4501
1879		2298.8875	[<laugh>]	2299.3264
1880	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2300.1547	You know, <clears throat>	2301.1103
1881	DCB_int_01	2301.1316	[<laugh>]	2302.1155
1882	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2301.6271	[but it's-]	2302.1297
1883		2302.3845	it was a good-	2303.4110
1885		2304.4587	that was a good part of that,	2305.9918
1887		2306.4449	so.	2306.8413
1888	DCB_int_01	2306.9404	So I want to ask you a little bit about community	2308.8871
1890		2309.1986	um,	2309.8711
1892		2310.5548	cause I feel, personally. DC is a very unique place.	2313.8678
1893	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2313.8678	[Mm-hm.]	2314.3704
1894	DCB_int_01	2314.1226	[Um], especially cause you did go away to Baltimore,	2316.7064
1895		2317.3972	um, which I am realizing and I've learned that it is a very different world [cause I'm thinking] /eight/ to forty five minutes away, well how different can they be? It's a very different [world],	2324.5228
1896	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2320.5049	[Mm.]	2320.9225
1898		2322.8763	[Mm.]	2323.4709
1900		2324.2679	[Mm-hm.]	2324.7281
1901	DCB_int_01	2324.8767	um, and people have very strong feelings about that.	2327.1066
1902	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2327.2411	Yeah.	2327.5101
1903	DCB_int_01	2327.7366	So, when you were in Deanwood, that's Northeast and you	2330.0343
1905		2330.5228	now work- and you live in [Southeast],	2332.5261
1906	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2332.3987	[Yup.]	2332.6535
1907	DCB_int_01	2333.0146	like, you don't live far from here.	2334.4799
1908	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2334.5011	Mm-mm.	2334.9046
1909	DCB_int_01	2334.9654	How do you see the community like,	2336.5652
1911		2336.7422	the people,	2337.7899
1913		2338.4766	like, how the city's changing. How do you	2340.9046
1915		2341.2556	see that and then how do you feel about it?	2343.2165
1916	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2343.7262	I think,	2344.1226
1918		2344.5332	like when I think back to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, I remember people who- I mean, there were families in the community who were there for years,	2352.8103
1920		2353.2061	decades.	2354.0768
1922		2354.6006	And so, uh, Miss /RD-NAME-2/ who lived on	2357.3614
1924		2359.3123	/RD-ADDRESS-8/	2361.5067
1926		2361.6554	which was a block and half away from /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	2364.2604
1928		2364.9046	uh, and who always passed out the little butter cookies with the	2368.2429
1929	DCB_int_01	2368.4695	The little [s- with the hole and you put the finger in it. <laugh> <clap> <clap>]	2371.3577
1930	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2368.7456	[ring around it that you put on your finger on it. Yup!]	2371.2515
1931		2371.5105	She would pass those out with	2372.6927
1933		2373.0466	sweet Kool Aid. I never understood the connection. Like cookies and milk,	2376.7418
1935		2377.0857	yeah. But not cookies and Kool Aid.	2378.8696
1937		2379.4006	Uh, but she always passed those out after school,	2381.4959
1939		2381.9561	and nobody's mother said, well are you- who is this lady?	2385.1528
1941		2385.6342	Who is this house you going to? Where'd those cookies come from?	2388.7772
1943		2389.5813	There was a sense of-	2390.7139
1945		2391.0466	that we were connected	2392.1722
1947		2392.7809	when there was an issue.	2393.9207
1949		2394.0339	Perfect example.	2395.3681
1951		2395.5388	Fifth grade year,	2396.6714
1953		2397.2236	uh,	2398.0235
1955		2398.2005	we were welcomed by Miss /RD-NAME-1/, who was a new teacher,	2401.3335
1957		2401.9635	but she would not be with us long	2403.7828
1959		2404.4341	because in her third week, Miss /RD-NAME-1/ decided that she wanted to curse	2408.4945
1961		2408.9971	at the fifth grade class of /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School,	2411.9207
1963		2412.4274	many of whom had been together since	2414.7705
1965		2415.5704	pre kindergarten and even at Tabernacle	2418.2180
1966	DCB_int_01	2418.3849	<laugh>	2418.7672
1967	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2418.7560	across the street.	2419.7134
1968		2420.3458	This was a community of parents,	2422.2925
1970		2422.8093	students.	2423.7791
1972		2424.1755	We had been sleepovers. We had been- I mean, friends, Chuck E. Cheese, the whole nine.	2428.7330
1974		2429.7295	That night,	2430.4303
1976		2431.5317	every child must have gone home and told their parents because that night at [Tabernacle],	2435.6304
1977	DCB_int_01	2435.3260	[<laugh>]	2436.1259
1978	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2436.1330	every parent was in the church	2438.3316
1980		2438.5652	hall	2439.0820
1982		2439.3793	to meet.	2439.8324
1984		2440.3916	And the next morning,	2441.3709
1986		2441.8569	every parent	2442.5153
1988		2442.8834	was in the principal's office.	2444.5015
1990		2444.8626	By the afternoon, Miss /RD-NAME-1/ was gone.	2446.9438
1992		2448.3029	I- I- that moment- I always tell people that story. That moment stood out to me because I had never seen a group of parents or people	2454.5011
1994		2454.9046	move and shift something so quickly.	2456.9263
1996		2457.8536	Every child must have gone home and said, Miss /RD-NAME-1/ uh, lost her mind and cussed at us.	2461.8715
1998		2462.4307	A- and I may- I r- I can visually see	2464.8659
2000		2465.2552	sitting in the basement of Tabernacle, these parents in this huddle,	2468.6997
2002		2469.2307	in these chairs,	2470.4341
2004		2470.7526	and, you know, what took less than a hour	2472.8126
2006		2473.1707	and then everybody showed up the next morning.	2474.8980
2008		2476.1226	Nobody said, oh, well just get out. I gotta go to work.	2478.3171
2009	DCB_int_01	2479.7405	Mm-mm.	2480.3741
2010	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2480.7776	[Just get out, I gotta go get my coffee.]	2482.6960
2011	DCB_int_01	2480.8059	[So it was a sense of- it was concern], yeah.	2483.1703
2012	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2484.0198	No.	2484.5436
2014		2484.7277	This woman is crazy.	2485.7582
2016		2485.9635	She cussing at our kids. She got to go.	2487.6554
2018		2488.4199	And they didn't leave until that woman was gone. Miss /RD-NAME-1/ was gone	2491.1736
2020		2492.0202	that afternoon.	2492.7988
2022		2493.2661	Out.	2493.6554
2024		2494.4978	Before there was principal autonomy	2496.8763
2026		2497.2061	in the schools,	2498.1405
2028		2498.3741	Miss /RD-NAME-1/ was gone.	2499.2731
2030		2501.2552	There was a- a- a connectedness, a belonging, a protection,	2505.0112
2032		2507.3189	and then people moved.	2508.6752
2034		2509.1707	And I think all of the societal ills that we've dealt with	2511.4997
2036		2511.9527	from the crack ep- epidemic to the violence	2514.6356
2038		2515.0928	to gentrification that has split the community	2518.1368
2040		2518.4128	and sent people running every which away.	2520.7347
2042		2521.2132	Older people passing-	2522.7493
2044		2523.1245	f- uh, older people retiring and moving down south,	2525.7437
2046		2526.1684	all of that.	2526.7631
2048		2527.4397	You drive through Deanwood now it's a different f- It's a whole different feel. It's a different vibe.	2530.9225
2050		2531.5596	And	2532.0976
2052		2532.2463	I see that in- even in Southeast. It's not-	2535.0325
2054		2536.1509	And I moved here particular- specifically	2538.1613
2056		2538.6498	because this is where I serve.	2540.4237
2058		2541.0962	So I wanted to be able to live in the same place. That was important for me to have that connection.	2545.1748
2060		2545.9777	And find people that care	2547.2448
2062		2548.7102	at all- I didn't find businesses that cared,	2550.8480
2064		2551.1312	that said, oh well you at the /RD-WORK-5/ down the street? Oh, well let's work with you on this and that.	2555.2411
2066		2556.0622	I didn't find people, and I still don't.	2557.4285
2068		2558.2821	The kids that we serve in- in /RD-WORK-3/,	2560.6181
2070		2561.2552	are not coming from the community.	2563.4214
2072		2564.2113	They're not.	2564.7068
2074		2566.4766	And I [think that that-]	2567.4039
2075	DCB_int_01	2566.7314	[Why?]	2567.1491
2076	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2567.5879	I think that that says a lot about what we look at	2570.1193
2078		2570.7635	as community.	2571.8394
2080		2572.1863	The fact that we can	2573.2694
2082		2573.6800	have Parkland	2574.9400
2084		2575.5600	here at nineteenth, and then two blocks over	2578.2925
2086		2578.9367	at twenty second have a deuce deuce,	2580.9329
2088		2581.2981	and there's a beef. Y'all two blocks apart from each other,	2583.6908
2090		2584.4482	but Parkland kids won't walk up twenty second street.	2586.7984
2092		2587.7866	Twenty second kids won't walk through Parkland.	2589.8041
2094		2590.0164	At all.	2590.5544
2096		2591.4181	It's a death-	2592.0127
2098		2592.3525	death war- or death threat if you do.	2594.3175
2100		2594.6502	If I drive the Club bus up twenty second, kids duck down on the seat, they're telling me to go the other direction.	2600.5350
2102		2602.8871	It's a breakdown of what family and community	2606.0060
2104		2606.8342	mean, and we aren't-	2608.2146
2106		2608.7102	and I think there's a lot of [issues for them.]	2610.5068
2107	DCB_int_01	2609.9631	[Where'd that beef] come from? Like, cause I've heard you talk about this before but I didn't realize it was like, too- like, I didn't realize- I knew, but I didn't know.	2616.8763
2108	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2617.0645	Yeah.	2617.4751
2110		2617.6096	This bee- And I- I mean, it's- it's been here I think as long as the Club has been here cause	2621.5809
2112		2621.9702	um like, /RD-NAME-1/	2623.0462
2114		2623.1565	um,	2623.6945
2116		2623.9635	/RD-NAME-2/	2624.7869
2118		2625.1245	used to talk about, you know,	2626.6606
2120		2627.2623	how they used to try and go and stand in between	2630.5644
2122		2631.2590	uh,	2631.8961
2124		2632.0306	factions between- from both communities.	2634.3949
2126		2634.8875	Um, and I think it started with	2637.1386
2128		2637.2802	a- a violent act. Somebody might have been killed	2639.8216
2130		2640.3029	in Parkland by somebody from twenty second, and then it's just gone back and forth, back and forth.	2644.3491
2132		2644.6181	I think the same with- with Parkland and then Congress Park, which is	2647.8166
2134		2648.2396	two blocks over on the other side of the Giant.	2650.2217
2136		2651.1774	Uh, that whole little shopping center, that community on the other side,	2653.9989
2138		2654.3458	you know. You- if you from Congress Park, you don't necessarily-	2657.2482
2140		2657.7295	are not necessarily welcome in Parkland.	2659.5530
2142		2659.9140	And- and it's- it's weird to see	2661.8678
2144		2662.2500	Parkland just kind of dropped in the middle	2664.1330
2146		2664.5507	of all of this	2665.8078
2148		2667.3793	/interestingness/.	2668.9579
2150		2669.8428	Um,	2670.3666
2152		2671.1778	and when I moved here,	2672.3600
2154		2672.6077	the only stipulation I gave the rental office was I didn't wanna live	2675.5101
2156		2676.0127	on Stanton Road, on the one way street	2677.6709
2158		2679.2377	because I-	2679.6766
2160		2679.9173	I drove past- and then you talked about Joe Clarke- that one way street felt like East Side High	2684.4551
2162		2684.7210	prior to Joe Clarke.	2685.6342
2164		2687.3048	[When you would] drive up the street, the en- the	2689.2303
2165	DCB_int_01	2687.3233	[Mm.]	2687.6047
2166	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2689.5883	energy, and I'm a big reader,	2691.4006
2168		2691.9739	spiritual person- big reader of energy	2694.2356
2170		2694.8622	that comes out of people and places	2696.9900
2172		2697.4076	and the ground	2698.6748
2174		2699.5030	and- and- and all- I think all of that-	2702.4945
2176		2703.8041	the- the drugs,	2704.9296
2178		2705.2552	the violence, the blood that's on these grounds, all that stuff just talks	2709.4076
2180		2709.9527	and speaks. And when you come up that street,	2712.4657
2182		2712.6498	there's so-	2713.6709
2184		2714.0556	and the street is two blocks,	2715.7962
2185	DCB_int_01	2716.3916	Mm-hm.	2716.9013
2186	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2717.4888	but it is the most-	2719.1878
2188		2720.2467	I can't even really think of the word. It's the most-	2722.6903
2190		2724.0693	it's heavy, like your heart gets heavy coming up those- up- up those two blocks.	2728.0731
2192		2729.5242	And, I mean I think it' just-	2731.1453
2194		2731.5813	It's an example of	2732.5936
2196		2732.9829	the breakdown	2733.8253
2198		2734.4907	um, of	2735.7649
2200		2736.3566	a community, of a people.	2738.0626
2202		2738.6573	I mean, you have to- I think it goes back to systemic things that were	2741.3968
2204		2741.9136	put in us	2742.6356
2206		2742.7772	during slavery	2743.8149
2208		2744.3529	and Jim Crow	2745.4006
2210		2745.6766	and all those things that just	2746.9933
2212		2747.3614	are bearing fruit.	2748.3460
2213	DCB_int_01	2748.8268	Mm.	2749.1312
2214	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2749.4114	Um,	2750.1617
2216		2751.1032	bearing fruit now.	2752.2005
2218		2752.8376	It's just- [it's broken.]	2754.1189
2219	DCB_int_01	2753.4464	[Do you have kids] from both?	2754.6356
2220		2755.1636	Like,	2755.4468
2222		2755.9565	is the Club kind of a neutral ground or is- is it like exclusively serving one-	2760.4516
2223	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2761.0999	It used to be neutral.	2762.3407
2225		2762.5298	Um,	2763.0041
2227		2763.2165	<clears throat>	2763.6342
2229		2763.9810	we predominantly	2764.9154
2231		2765.0853	serve Parkland	2766.0835
2233		2766.5719	from kids that come in the community of Parkland, Congress Park,	2769.0962
2235		2769.8607	um, but	2770.6040
2237		2771.0358	I don't- we don't have any from twenty second. Covenant House	2773.3056
2239		2773.9423	gets kids from twenty second.	2775.0112
2241		2775.3935	But what was beautiful about	2776.8093
2243		2777.3756	um,	2778.0694
2245		2779.3831	when we did our Balling at the Art	2780.7281
2247		2781.0820	series-	2781.8111
2249		2782.4695	and this was before I knew all of this, about the beef. I just said, hey,	2785.7896
2251		2786.3033	y'all our partners.	2787.5634
2253		2787.7262	Y'all got some guys. We got some guys. Let's play ball.	2790.3809
2255		2791.3406	Didn't know anything about the beefing issue.	2792.8555
2257		2793.1316	We went six weeks	2794.2359
2259		2795.0358	practicing,	2795.8145
2261		2796.1684	having these games,	2797.3081
2263		2797.9211	never issue.	2798.6856
2265		2799.4218	Kids from twenty second and Parkland in one place.	2801.9277
2267		2802.6002	Dapped each other up after the game.	2804.0420
2269		2804.3883	We crossed from every- every- all three games we won,	2806.4058
2271		2806.9792	dapped each other up.	2807.7346
2273		2807.8768	We sat down-	2808.7489
2275		2808.9229	the la- the last- after the last game- that Saturday- that next day,	2811.8607
2277		2812.2429	Saturday morning, we sat down with Chick Fil A	2814.0693
2279		2814.5365	and talked about what it meant to be	2816.5440
2281		2817.1174	young black men	2818.0235
2283		2818.2642	in Southeast.	2819.0712
2285		2819.6092	No issue.	2820.1826
2287		2822.0626	So it can work.	2822.7705
2288	DCB_int_01	2824.1934	What do you feel like is the	2825.8428
2290		2826.4711	male-	2827.3364
2292		2827.7370	see because Southeast, if you think about DC, it's the roughest part of the- the city-	2832.3100
2294		2832.6852	uh, that's the perception,	2833.9069
2296		2834.3529	um,	2835.0820
2298		2835.3014	especially Ward Eight. Oh,	2836.8517
2300		2837.1774	like,	2837.6587
2302		2838.0835	you gonna get shot up if you [just walk] over there. [You know, if you] [cross that] line-	2841.7975
2303	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2839.2840	[Mm-hm.]	2839.7228
2305		2840.3033	[Yup.]	2840.6785
2307		2840.8767	[<clears throat>]	2841.3014
2308	DCB_int_01	2842.2925	Um, what do you think is the perception or what does it mean to be a black male in ward eight?	2848.5403
2310		2848.6960	Or not even just male- I won't even just say- but to be a black person in ward eight. In- in this time,	2854.0164
2312		2854.3774	in DC as- as gentrification is running rampant, like	2857.4993
2314		2858.0768	what does that mean?	2859.2094
2315	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2859.2802	To be feared.	2860.1084
2316	DCB_int_01	2861.4039	Because you're from [Southeast?]	2862.5224
2317	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2862.3100	[Yeah.]	2862.7347
2318		2864.7351	Um,	2865.5563
2320		2868.5719	yeah.	2869.0391
2322		2870.4095	That you are going to	2871.8819
2324		2872.6960	do something dangerous	2874.4587
2326		2875.0220	or bad	2875.7441
2328		2877.4855	just by your presence.	2878.6040
2330		2878.9013	<clears throat>	2879.4039
2332		2880.4233	Um,	2881.1382
2334		2883.0041	I think about	2883.9810
2336		2885.6658	uh- we took the teens to go see Fruitvale Station	2888.4188
2338		2888.6997	when it [came out],	2889.3652
2339	DCB_int_01	2888.9404	[Mm.] Mm-hm.	2889.8819
2340	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2890.5119	and then caught the train back on the green line.	2893.6709
2342		2894.9829	And on the train,	2896.9579
2344		2897.3119	uh, eight or nine of the teens left with me.	2899.5954
2346		2900.2932	There was a group of White and Asian people who got on around	2904.9471
2348		2905.9494	Navy Yard. <clears throat>	2907.6129
2350		2909.0004	And I don't think they realized I was the chaperone or the staff person with them	2913.1740
2352		2913.4289	cause I was standing up. I'm standing by the door, the- the teens are all o- hucked up over here.	2917.2627
2354		2917.6379	This group gets on to the right,	2919.2731
2356		2919.5704	<clears throat>	2920.0093
2358		2920.6111	and the comments that they started making	2922.1118
2360		2922.4516	in earshot of the group,	2923.6621
2362		2925.2731	oh, look at them, oh, they think that-	2927.5030
2364		2928.5719	they think that-	2929.6709
2366		2929.9494	um-	2930.4520
2368		2931.4643	oh, what did they say?	2932.5119
2370		2933.1066	Oh- those- those- those kids, they- they must be going back to Anacostia.	2936.8201
2372		2937.8748	Oh they're laughing. They're talking so loud. Oh, they're this, they're that.	2940.8763
2374		2942.4803	And	2943.3652
2376		2944.1651	they were just being teens.	2945.1491
2377	DCB_int_01	2945.2241	/Mm-hm/.	2945.6387
2379		2945.9914	Doing a lot, going through some things. [Okay.]	2948.0839
2380	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2947.6804	[Yeah.]	2948.0343
2381	DCB_int_01	2949.7333	Um,	2950.0801
2383		2950.3208	so continue on.	2951.0004
2384	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	2952.1047	But yeah, and so,	2953.0462
2386		2953.8361	they were just being teens,	2954.8838
2388		2955.2236	having fun, talking, laughing,	2956.7314
2390		2957.1844	nothing inappropriate.	2957.9631
2392		2959.0462	And	2960.0202
2394		2960.6785	uh, I don't remember who it was, one of the teens, saw my response,	2963.6163
2396		2964.4587	because on my face,	2965.8998
2398		2966.6148	the disdain and	2968.3279
2400		2968.5615	frustration.	2969.3119
2402		2971.0574	And not only are they saying these things, they're looking	2973.3510
2404		2974.1297	at the teens	2975.1915
2406		2976.1259	as if	2976.8197
2408		2977.3477	being black,	2978.5369
2410		2979.1245	and being young	2980.1651
2412		2980.5757	on the train in a group	2982.6427
2414		2983.2415	means that you are thugs and about to do something to them.	2986.9792
2416		2988.9442	And you know,	2989.9565
2418		2990.5652	there was a big part of me that wanted to	2992.2713
2420		2992.8730	say something,	2993.7083
2422		2994.2604	but in that moment, I felt if I did,	2996.8088
2424		2997.3439	one I had the hands on my s- on my shirt,	2999.1844
2426		2999.5596	had the- I was branded.	3000.7984
2427	DCB_int_01	3000.9867	Mm-hm, [mm-hm.]	3001.6736
2428	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3001.3193	[So I had the] logo, and I didn't think that what I was getting ready to say was /getting ready/ to represent the organization at its best.	3006.1755
2429		3006.6115	I wasn't gonna- I wasn't gonna be professional about it,	3008.5440
2430	DCB_int_01	3009.1811	Mm.	3009.5492
2431	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3009.8536	and so I opted not to say anything.	3011.2694
2433		3012.7903	But we had a very serious conversation	3015.0945
2435		3015.6836	that night	3016.2446
2437		3016.7355	with them,	3017.4158
2439		3018.4116	and oddly enough, that- that was	3020.5896
2441		3021.9781	right before we went to go to the Hill	3024.3836
2443		3025.2251	to go visit Congressman Maxine Waters.	3028.2306
2445		3029.9137	And so,	3030.9306
2447		3033.1296	I guess it was like a week or so in between that.	3034.9600
2449		3035.6823	The morning of the visit,	3037.2532
2451		3038.4002	um,	3039.2278
2453		3039.4311	the	3040.2026
2455		3041.7735	French State Department	3043.6669
2457		3043.9584	released a	3045.3259
2459		3045.5013	travel warning to its residents	3047.3737
2461		3047.9207	who were visiting the US.	3049.2742
2463		3050.5966	And in it they said to avoid certain areas,	3053.6823
2465		3054.9095	Union Station, I remember,	3056.7158
2467		3057.8870	and I remember they said Southeast	3059.3737
2469		3059.7735	and Anacostia	3060.8675
2471		3061.1831	to avoid	3062.0566
2473		3062.9963	at all.	3063.6205
2475		3063.8028	Union Station you can go to in the daytime,	3065.4018
2477		3066.0329	but don't go to Union Station at night.	3067.3233
2479		3068.4423	But Southeast and wa- and Anacostia,	3070.5041
2481		3070.7846	don't go to in the daytime,	3072.2644
2483		3073.1760	late in the midnight hour.	3074.8118
2485		3075.2839	Not- don't ever go	3076.4200
2487		3076.6654	at all.	3077.1774
2489		3077.8366	And /RD-NAME-2/ saw that,	3078.8464
2491		3080.0636	read that article	3081.0034
2493		3081.1997	that morning	3081.8589
2495		3081.9992	when we were here early getting ready to go see the Congresswoman,	3084.6571
2497		3085.4745	and it started this conversation about	3086.9122
2499		3087.0524	redefining what it means to be from Southeast	3089.4018
2501		3090.2153	as a black	3090.8745
2503		3091.3023	youth, as a black person to be from Southeast,	3093.7537
2505		3094.2797	which started this whole- I think what may have even made the- laid some of the groundwork for [Our Lives Matter]	3099.0945
2506	DCB_int_01	3098.3792	[That's right, mm-hm.]	3099.0454
2507	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3099.7187	because everything that they did now they wanted to	3102.1942
2509		3102.3906	prove	3102.9867
2511		3103.9023	to people	3104.7509
2513		3105.9781	that great things come out of this-	3107.3807
2515		3107.5841	this part of the city,	3108.6080
2517		3108.9586	that they are not their	3110.1758
2519		3110.9332	environment.	3111.5994
2521		3112.7215	Um,	3113.2896
2523		3114.2854	and the- sadly enough they had to prove that to some of the people that were in the environment	3117.3961
2525		3118.1184	and in the community, and what that meant to f-	3119.8085
2527		3119.9768	to them,	3120.6501
2529		3121.0678	to the young people who chose to come to the Club	3123.4732
2531		3124.5181	who had friends who didn't choose to come to the Club	3127.3023
2533		3128.3231	because they made other choices	3130.0553
2535		3130.2446	that were not always positive choices,	3132.2714
2537		3133.0779	and what that meant for them to stand up and say, yup,	3135.1085
2539		3135.5223	I'm gonna be different	3136.6514
2541		3137.8857	because that's what I wanna do.	3139.1199
2543		3139.3623	That's who I choose to be.	3140.5475
2545		3141.4802	Um,	3142.0763
2547		3142.3148	<clears throat>	3143.1423
2549		3144.0750	so, I mean, it- it's- it's this whole notion that	3146.7789
2551		3149.6051	to be from Southeast doesn't mean anything /?/. It's the same as you.	3153.5433
2553		3154.1114	[Tryna figure out-]	3154.7636
2554	DCB_int_01	3154.1184	[So let me ask you] this because	3156.1732
2555		3156.5870	especially- I don't know a lot about,	3159.5433
2557		3160.1044	mm, that's not true.	3160.9880
2559		3161.3948	But I don't have the-	3162.3064
2561		3162.8745	the d- I'm a southern girl, you know. Um,	3164.9963
2563		3165.5504	I know	3166.1114
2565		3166.7987	about sitting on the porch shelling peas [like],	3168.7903
2566	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3168.3625	[<laugh>]	3168.7973
2567	DCB_int_01	3168.9306	you know? But that's- that's- so if somebody asked me about	3171.1927
2569		3171.4732	what was it like growing up in the South,	3173.1844
2570	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3173.3457	Mm-hm.	3173.6612
2571	DCB_int_01	3173.7174	and	3174.5028
2573		3174.7202	you know, some of the racial tensions that I felt in the South	3177.5269
2575		3177.7187	that were still very alive, [even] covertly. Like,	3180.7763
2576	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3179.4438	[Right.]	3179.7516
2577	DCB_int_01	3181.2291	very much running deep.	3182.4563
2579		3182.7579	I can talk about that, but I can't talk about DC in that way.	3186.0820
2581		3186.4747	What do you feel like-	3187.8182
2583		3188.0426	so that was on the flip s- um, that was on one side. Like,	3190.7005
2585		3190.9950	being in DC and the perception that it's dangerous and- I mean it is. There are some parts,	3196.0763
2587		3196.2517	but that's anywhere.	3197.0368
2588	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3197.0371	Right.	3197.4228
2589	DCB_int_01	3197.7945	But let's take it on the flip side,	3199.3303
2591		3199.6288	how do you feel like-	3200.8070
2593		3201.6696	I won't just say your men, your young men, but all your kids were affected by all of the events,	3206.9402
2595		3207.5293	Ferguson, Eric, all that, like	3209.9979
2597		3210.2784	how do you feel like your kids were affected	3212.3371
2599		3212.5966	when all they could see were	3214.4059
2601		3214.9950	like,	3215.2896
2603		3215.9979	kids that look like them	3217.4145
2604	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3217.4566	Mm-hm.	3217.8930
2605	DCB_int_01	3218.1057	getting shot, getting killed, Trayvon Martin, like that whole-	3220.7215
2607		3220.9600	Once that kind of- the ripple of, I think,	3222.5449
2609		3222.7062	starting with Trayvon like, kind of,	3224.4984
2611		3224.6387	and starting that whole eighteen, twenty four month period of just [ridiculousness.]	3229.8493
2612	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3229.3303	[Yeah.]	3229.8493
2613		3230.5405	It um-	3231.3049
2615		3232.5813	one of the things that I- I recognized was	3234.9657
2617		3235.7410	uh, an increase in their	3237.1436
2619		3237.4171	pride and their participation in the Club.	3239.8225
2621		3240.9376	Um,	3241.6459
2623		3242.5826	and it t- it took me	3243.8800
2625		3244.2026	until now	3245.0581
2627		3245.1914	to really see that.	3246.0259
2628	DCB_int_01	3247.0748	Hm.	3247.3974
2629	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3247.6008	And	3248.3091
2631		3248.7649	what I think about- think back to is	3251.5070
2633		3251.9137	the same pride I had at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	3253.5407
2635		3254.0075	And- and the place	3255.2698
2637		3255.7257	that that was a- a safe haven and a sanctuary and	3258.4397
2639		3258.7623	that was a place where I was built up.	3260.2950
2641		3261.2698	I think it meant more to them	3262.5672
2643		3264.1522	because they understood that there were people who devalued their lives	3267.4802
2645		3268.8548	just because they were black,	3270.1592
2647		3270.6711	who didn't care about	3272.0847
2649		3272.8350	how police interacted with them,	3275.4158
2651		3276.2012	and there was this sense of clinging.	3278.3582
2653		3279.7397	Um,	3280.2587
2655		3280.4831	we spent more time together talking	3282.6290
2657		3283.1099	outside of programs.	3284.4353
2659		3284.9192	<clears throat> We had longer nights.	3286.5462
2661		3287.3737	The night that the um-	3289.1620
2663		3291.3119	um- the night that the Ferguson uh,	3294.0610
2665		3294.4257	<ts>	3294.6501
2667		3295.6218	verdict was announced, [I was actually]	3297.6556
2668	DCB_int_01	3296.9402	[Mm-hm.]	3297.3470
2669	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3297.7607	in the middle of doing drop offs,	3299.0862
2671		3299.5561	and I had	3300.1592
2673		3300.3555	one alum	3301.2321
2675		3301.4254	on the bus that I was taking home and	3303.2628
2677		3304.5742	one current student-	3305.8997
2679		3306.2714	current member.	3306.8254
2681		3307.8182	And I remember	3309.0104
2683		3309.2628	listening- we had it on the radio. We listened to the prosecutor talk,	3311.9067
2685		3313.0218	and	3313.3093
2687		3313.8252	I personally- we had pulled over /?/ to drop one of the kids at the metro station- I pulled over.	3317.5701
2689		3318.0259	And I'm just listening, but I was kind of in the zone, but- and they're ask- they're talking. The two of them are talking on the bus,	3322.7496
2691		3323.2545	and I hear them,	3324.2644
2693		3324.9766	but because I'm processing this myself, I- I'm just kind of in my own little world.	3328.9810
2695		3330.3064	But the fact that that moment was shared	3333.4872
2697		3334.6233	and so many other moments were shared	3336.7834
2699		3337.2080	and so many more times they stepped up	3339.3119
2701		3340.1114	and came out,	3341.0020
2703		3342.7412	you know, I saw that cling, that-	3344.3371
2705		3344.7088	That this was their place	3346.5883
2707		3347.0231	of worth,	3347.8786
2709		3348.7833	of value	3349.7301
2711		3350.6667	and again, I just- I	3352.4620
2713		3352.8337	go on all of my experiences that-	3354.9937
2715		3355.7200	And it takes you to- in moments like that to realize,	3358.3498
2717		3359.2755	the worth of your experiences.	3361.1269
2718	DCB_int_01	3361.1901	Mm-hm.	3361.7511
2719	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3362.6808	This is their /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	3363.9220
2721		3365.8997	This is their, you know, I've had the /RD-SCHOOL-2/	3368.3441
2723		3368.8771	High School office	3370.5813
2725		3371.0862	experience with a team	3372.7973
2727		3373.4605	who I've had to pull him up	3374.7158
2729		3374.9963	and say,	3375.6976
2731		3376.4691	this is what you not gonna do	3377.7594
2733		3378.5238	under my watch.	3379.6898
2735		3381.4452	It's just not gonna happen like that.	3382.8968
2737		3383.5701	Um,	3384.1171
2739		3385.0748	so I watched them just-	3386.3721
2741		3386.8561	and as I'm thinking back to that t- period of time,	3389.0301
2743		3389.9137	they stepped up more.	3390.8254
2745		3391.6358	They were more active.	3392.4984
2747		3393.6696	They reached out more.	3394.7636
2749		3395.2194	There were [more] conversations. There were more	3397.1059
2750	DCB_int_01	3395.4125	[Mm.]	3395.5365
2751	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3397.6078	text messages. There were more-	3399.1787
2753		3399.9291	And not specifically about what was happening.	3402.8543
2755		3405.4802	Um,	3406.0483
2757		3406.7776	and- and my kids are spoiled	3408.3555
2759		3408.6851	because just of- cause of the way we do things.	3410.9332
2760	DCB_int_01	3411.0443	Mm.	3411.2894
2761	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3412.0342	So I don't wanna say that the neediness	3414.5168
2763		3415.1129	increased but their need for	3417.3891
2765		3417.8309	validation,	3418.9389
2766	DCB_int_01	3418.9529	Mm-hm.	3419.3807
2767	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3420.0470	it stepped up.	3420.8293
2769		3421.1590	And I find myself giving more,	3422.9823
2771		3424.5672	/but/ okay with that	3425.5490
2773		3427.5306	because they were reaching for that. And I mean, you could- you could sense it and see-	3431.6753
2775		3432.4467	and I think a part of me wanted	3434.3510
2777		3434.9332	them to know	3435.8239
2779		3436.0623	it's okay.	3436.7145
2780	DCB_int_01	3436.9685	Mm-hm.	3437.3498
2781	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3438.6992	I know you don't wanna talk about it and you're not- you haven't quite figured out how to verbalize what you're [feeling,]	3443.7664
2782	DCB_int_01	3443.3520	[Mm.]	3443.6304
2783	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3444.3836	but I see you.	3445.5477
2784	DCB_int_01	3447.5574	Feeling [that.]	3448.1745
2785	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3447.9431	[I] know you,	3448.8828
2786	DCB_int_01	3448.7905	Mm.	3449.1385
2787	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3449.0862	and it's okay.	3449.9909
2788		3451.3483	This is your safe space.	3452.7719
2790		3454.3608	You don't h- you don't have to do anything to earn it.	3456.5632
2792		3457.2155	This is your safe space.	3458.4426
2794		3459.3978	Let's be goofy and crazy and wild	3461.9264
2796		3462.3147	and dream big and be successful and	3464.8231
2798		3465.2425	be mad at each other. Let's- let's be all of that cause this is	3468.4079
2800		3468.8823	your space, and it's alright.	3470.4126
2801	DCB_int_01	3471.4936	Mm-hm.	3471.8375
2802	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3472.4763	It's okay.	3473.0168
2803	DCB_int_01	3474.0961	Um,	3474.7489
2805		3475.5913	so I'm'a just- I'm'a change it totally, [lighten it] up a little bit. Um,	3479.2835
2806	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3477.6084	[Mm-hm.]	3477.9147
2807	DCB_int_01	3480.7770	what do you do for fun?	3481.9001
2809		3482.1599	Cause I know you spend a lot of [time at nineteen] oh one and dealing with the goings ons	3486.6998
2810	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3483.4023	[<laugh>]	3484.1744
2811	DCB_int_01	3486.8262	of Boys and Girls- What do you do for fun? What do you do to let your hair down?	3489.9568
2812	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3489.9990	Listen to music.	3490.8904
2813	DCB_int_01	3490.8072	/Mm./	3491.0027
2814	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3491.9768	Um, I'm a music junky. I got the chance to go see Jill Scott this weekend.	3495.7519
2815	DCB_int_01	3495.8937	I don't want to hear it.	3496.5465
2816	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3496.6588	<laugh>	3498.2435
2818		3499.3456	Um,	3500.0054
2819	DCB_int_01	3500.2090	<cough>	3500.5810
2820	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3500.5529	I'm a simple person.	3501.6761
2821		3502.2166	Doesn't take a- it doesn't take a lot.	3503.5222
2823		3504.1172	Um,	3504.5735
2825		3504.7700	top- top things I love to do is sit in a room and listen to music.	3507.6269
2827		3507.9639	/Loudly/ listen to music all day.	3509.0027
2829		3509.7030	Um,	3510.2997
2831		3511.9844	I think again that was just embedded. My mom went to Howard for music.	3515.4169
2832	DCB_int_01	3516.0961	[/Um, w- uh, yeah/.]	3517.1140
2833	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3516.1382	[Um, she sang.]	3517.6825
2834		3518.3915	Uh, she still will do a little something if you tell her. When I go home,	3521.6836
2836		3522.3629	a lot of times when I go home, we'll sit with the old Baptist hymnal.	3525.5567
2838		3526.0481	We will flip through and [n- not-] the- We have seen these [pages every visit]	3529.0718
2839	DCB_int_01	3526.8915	[Mm-hm.]	3527.2697
2841		3528.2018	[/Any/ line of the hymn.]	3529.4158
2842		3529.5211	[Mm.]	3530.2300
2843	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3529.5562	[and go]	3529.9773
2845		3530.2300	each hymn by hymn and just sing	3531.5216
2846		3531.9428	cause it- that was a- just a part of	3533.7959
2848		3534.1663	you know,	3534.6015
2850		3534.9876	our upbringing. When I was younger,	3536.9460
2852		3537.6339	there was a white, blue and orange Fisher Price	3541.6615
2854		3542.0756	radio	3542.6723
2856		3543.3461	that set on my	3544.9817
2858		3545.2344	bed frame	3545.7819
2860		3546.0119	at the head- on the headboard.	3547.2122
2862		3547.5715	Had a little microphone on the side in case you wanted to get real extra and sing.	3550.8202
2864		3551.4925	Every night that mus- that radio played	3553.5843
2866		3553.8089	classical music,	3554.5389
2868		3555.2830	every night.	3555.6480
2870		3557.3116	Every night.	3557.7047
2872		3559.3667	And so it was- it was embedded in me,	3561.2338
2874		3561.5287	and the power	3562.3499
2876		3562.9255	of the- I think the power of the art while I was s- while I was such a student of the arts,	3566.6933
2878		3566.9811	it was put in me.	3568.0130
2879	DCB_int_01	3568.4412	[Mm.]	3568.8834
2880	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3568.5886	[Um],	3569.0449
2881		3569.3099	but music for me is- is such an escape.	3572.0616
2883		3572.7776	And I'm eclectic like crazy. Like, you go through my playlist there's	3576.0610
2885		3576.4401	gospel, there's reggae, there's	3578.2090
2887		3578.4196	hip hop, there's	3579.4585
2889		3579.8726	jazz, there's-	3580.9817
2890	DCB_int_01	3581.0870	Are you a go go fan?	3581.9768
2891	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3582.0681	I am. (whispered)	3582.8823
2892	DCB_int_01	3583.5211	[Who's your favorite] group? Let's talk about go go because go go is a [very-] it's a- but it's a very DC thing. [There's no go go in like],	3591.0934
2893	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3583.5562	[I am.]	3584.1177
2895		3586.3429	[Go go is huge.]	3587.7889
2897		3589.0859	[It is. It's like Mumbo Sauce.]	3591.0934
2898	DCB_int_01	3591.6059	Iowa.	3592.0762
2899	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3592.0621	Mm-mm. It's like Mumbo Sauce. Go go and Mumbo Sauce go hand in hand,	3594.8542
2900		3595.7176	go hand in hand. I went to Baltimore and they told me, we don't have Mumbo Sauce. What is that? And I wanted to leave.	3599.6750
2902		3600.3559	But um,	3601.4018
2904		3602.6512	<sigh> Northeast Groovers,	3604.3499
2906		3605.1080	Junkyard,	3605.9908
2908		3606.3418	Rare Essence,	3607.3105
2910		3608.0124	Backyard Band,	3608.9671
2912		3609.1847	Chuck Brown.	3609.9919
2914		3610.9396	There's a different- there's a different go go back in the day,	3613.3105
2916		3613.5772	and I remember /mart/- my aunt-	3615.0654
2918		3615.7954	I have a aunt that lived on Drum Avenue, Capital Heights,	3617.9557
2920		3618.1663	/in the- you know/ the right across the- the- the line.	3620.4196
2922		3621.0794	And uh, my cousins used to- they were heavy,	3623.7257
2924		3624.0400	like they had the big bamboo chair.	3626.3494
2926		3626.6933	I was- it was a picture of me sitting in the big bamboo chair with all the go go posters on the wall,	3630.8121
2928		3631.1491	and I would go to the their house, and I would listen to Groovers	3633.3461
2930		3633.6199	cause I was too young at that time to go to the go gos.	3636.2506
2932		3636.6998	Uh and I- oh I actually- it was weird. I only went to a couple of actual go gos,	3641.1923
2933	DCB_int_01	3641.5205	Mm.	3641.9417
2934	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3642.1382	but I loved	3643.3105
2936		3643.5772	the music and listened to- I still have- I have tapes.	3646.3920
2938		3646.9606	Northeast Groovers Locket is the greatest go go song ever made in life.	3651.1215
2940		3651.5778	It will- it will change your perspective on [everything.]	3655.0929
2941	DCB_int_01	3654.1663	[We'll have to do that one then] cause I- I don't know if I've [heard it.]	3656.7214
2942	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3656.3073	[Oh.]	3656.7495
2943		3657.0092	Yeah.	3657.2830
2945		3657.8866	When I um-	3658.6939
2947		3659.1906	another former	3659.9838
2949		3660.1874	thing you didn't know about my former life,	3661.7668
2951		3662.1388	I danced. I studied dance for eight years.	3664.4622
2952	DCB_int_01	3664.8273	I got a glimpse of that at the [circus.]	3666.3980
2953	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3666.1874	[Did] you? [<laugh>]	3668.2090
2954	DCB_int_01	3667.1210	[Yes, mm-hm.]	3668.6161
2955	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3669.0934	But uh, through /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	3670.3569
2957		3670.6798	uh, this group game up.	3671.9169
2958	DCB_int_01	3672.0119	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ changed [your life.]	3673.3064
2959	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3672.5664	[/RD-SCHOOL-2/, they did.]	3673.5772
2960		3673.6755	They did. This group came up and- and they were from Palmer Park Rec Center	3677.3116
2962		3677.7522	in PG County.	3678.6858
2963	DCB_int_01	3678.8472	Mm-hm.	3679.1491
2964	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3679.2473	Um,	3679.8229
2966		3680.5600	but they- the ladies came and said, we wanna teach dance. And we learned-	3683.9169
2968		3684.3418	I remember I did my first tap dance to Slide Some Oil to Me from The [Wiz.]	3687.9358
2969	DCB_int_01	3687.7743	[Mm], [yes!]	3689.0238
2970	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3688.7851	[And] I remember when they teach you the flap and you do the- the weird-	3691.7527
2971		3692.0054	the- s- the weird flap	3693.3532
2973		3693.5076	and the shuffle cause you first learning	3695.3678
2975		3695.9066	um,	3696.5313
2977		3696.7630	how to tap dance, and I st-	3698.2230
2979		3698.4126	just stuck with it for eight years. We	3700.0972
2981		3700.3780	transitioned from the school	3702.1382
2983		3702.6858	and um,	3703.5632
2985		3703.7597	went to Palmer Park.	3704.8197
2987		3705.3110	And they didn't have any boys in their program, so me and four of my friends, we were the only boys that went	3709.6755
2989		3710.1458	to their program, and two dropped off so it was only three of us, and we stayed.	3713.5713
2991		3714.1453	I stayed for eight.	3714.9174
2993		3715.1912	My boy, /RD-NAME-2/ who's a mentor here at the Club now	3717.8375
2995		3718.3148	stayed for nine, and then my other friend /RD-NAME-2/ is still dancing. He's danced for Ailey and	3722.9460
2997		3723.7392	done all sorts of stuff all over the place, but	3726.1453
2999		3726.7981	the discipline that came with that-	3728.4477
3001		3728.9531	what we did- we danced w- a lot of our choreographed pieces were to go go.	3732.7700
3003		3733.0929	And one of my favorite ones was to Locket	3734.7776
3005		3735.3321	by Northeast Groovers.	3736.2727
3007		3736.8483	And it was-	3737.3818
3009		3737.5837	there's a freedom- there was a freedom about go go that was just-	3740.6372
3011		3741.9428	because it was percussion.	3743.1572
3013		3743.3731	Go go ain't nothing but percussion and shout outs.	3745.1561
3015		3745.5141	That's it.	3745.8370
3017		3746.1739	Pure, true go go,	3747.2689
3019		3747.6831	percussion and shout outs, nothing else.	3749.2063
3021		3749.5416	There's a new go go that's- that's now, and the sound is different.	3753.0654
3022	DCB_int_01	3753.4809	Mm-hm.	3753.8713
3023	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3753.8937	I can't quite bang with it, but	3755.5783
3025		3755.8996	you know, the old school,	3757.6194
3027		3758.0124	that pocket beat,	3759.1145
3029		3759.4936	and there's something that just, when you hear it,	3761.1993
3031		3761.7101	it was so fresh. Just like-	3763.4579
3033		3764.1107	and it was- It was DC. It was nobody else ha- you couldn't go anywhere and hear go go.	3768.3208
3035		3768.7700	You couldn't go visit other places and have	3771.3812
3036	DCB_int_01	3771.6199	Mm-hm.	3771.9217
3037	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3771.9217	a Chuck Brown. And you, when you heard his voice,	3774.8472
3038		3775.2473	it was something that was magic. He was like the Pied Piper,	3778.0551
3040		3778.4131	where you heard Chuck's voice or you heard the sound.	3781.5772
3042		3782.1669	You know, and it was- it was great. I remember when it- it started,	3784.8553
3044		3785.2819	the actual go gos took turn- took a turn for the worse. I remember watching this-	3788.8618
3046		3789.3812	Channel Seven, ABC Seven did this report.	3791.4660
3048		3792.2295	I had to have been in	3793.2684
3050		3794.0054	middle-	3794.6091
3052		3795.0022	middle school going into high school,	3796.3569
3054		3796.7360	and they started doing this- this investigative report about the wild stuff happening at the go gos.	3801.6199
3056		3802.2727	Like sexual assaults and-	3803.7328
3058		3804.1102	and all these other thing- and I think that was when you started	3806.0054
3060		3806.5389	seeing that there was a turn	3808.1183
3062		3808.3359	um,	3808.9185
3064		3809.6539	from it. But it- it-	3810.6858
3066		3811.1631	it still to this day is iconic.	3813.5708
3068		3813.9358	D- and I said r- it is iconic as Mumbo Sauce.	3816.2506
3070		3816.6717	You can't- Those two things you will not find	3819.8866
3072		3820.7500	[successfully] [duplicated] anywhere else. People will try	3824.1528
3073	DCB_int_01	3820.8106	[Nowhere else.]	3821.4784
3075		3821.7873	[Mm-mm.]	3822.1102
3076	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3825.1005	on both fronts,	3826.1955
3078		3827.5276	go go and Mumbo,	3828.7138
3080		3829.0999	and fail,	3829.6545
3082		3829.8580	epically fail,	3830.7355
3084		3831.2058	because it's- it's- it's something in the-	3832.9817
3086		3833.9206	that same energy I felt when I was in that school.	3836.2090
3088		3837.1215	There was an energy that came with it that	3838.9045
3090		3839.3591	you don't have it, you can't make it.	3840.6156
3091	DCB_int_01	3841.2249	What is- what is- okay. Let's go to mumbo sauce,	3843.4406
3093		3843.6388	cause I hear-	3844.9838
3095		3845.1396	you know I am going to try to some	3847.2178
3096	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3847.3523	<laugh>	3847.8371
3097	DCB_int_01	3847.6851	at some point. I really am.	3849.2991
3098	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3849.3415	Okay.	3849.7238
3099	DCB_int_01	3849.8158	Um, I don't know when that's gonna be	3851.7951
3100	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3851.8658	<laugh>	3852.1914
3101	DCB_int_01	3852.2197	Um-	3852.9134
3102	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3853.1754	You were gonna ask me what it is?	3854.4850
3103	DCB_int_01	3854.6336	Mm-hm.	3855.0442
3104	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3855.0513	I don't know.	3855.5468
3105	DCB_int_01	3857.2316	Mkay.	3857.6422
3107		3857.8304	[Alright.]	3858.1772
3108	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3857.9649	[It's ketchup]	3858.4816
3109		3859.5718	and something else.	3860.2797
3110	DCB_int_01	3860.7469	Right it's like-	3861.4619
3112		3861.7663	I think I had have it but didn't know that's what I was having. It's like a sweet hot	3865.3948
3114		3865.5930	[something.]	3866.0138
3115	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3865.8691	[Uh-huh.]	3866.2938
3116		3866.6336	It's like go go.	3867.4760
3118		3868.0919	It's a little bit of everything,	3869.1467
3120		3870.0994	and if you- you hear- if you ever like- like, youtube	3872.6832
3122		3873.0938	interviews with Chuck Brown and you hear him talk about	3875.4227
3124		3875.9720	what go go is and it's	3877.5293
3126		3877.6780	salsa and merengue	3879.1362
3128		3879.5893	and hip hop and pop and jazz	3881.8333
3130		3882.1277	and big band.	3883.1612
3132		3884.1310	And you had-	3884.7398
3134		3884.8672	I mean you had young people walking around who didn't even realize that they were now	3887.8404
3136		3888.3259	um,	3888.9276
3138		3889.4656	you know, multi linguistic in music	3891.3344
3140		3891.4548	cause they were listening	3892.4317
3142		3892.9201	to all of these different things and exposed to all of these different-	3897.0017
3144		3897.3698	and oh, you know, hey, hey that's go go! Nah, son, that's jazz.	3900.5029
3146		3900.9276	And how much you know, the- the Latino culture influenced Chuck's	3904.9838
3148		3905.2953	music.	3905.7979
3149	DCB_int_01	3906.1631	[Mm.]	3906.5170
3150	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3906.4038	[And] how much that	3907.5293
3151		3907.6709	was a part of that you- you know,	3909.2991
3153		3910.1414	exposed to all those different things.	3911.6563
3155		3911.9436	So Mumbo Sauce is just like,	3913.1754
3157		3913.4444	go go. It's a little of this,	3914.6478
3159		3915.0088	and really good Mumbo? Nobody knows what- what's in it.	3917.4864
3161		3918.2622	Could be cornstarch. It could be this, could be that.	3920.4637
3163		3921.0371	But the perfect-	3921.7379
3165		3922.0848	the perfect ones are the perfect mix	3924.7365
3167		3924.9772	of a lot of different stuff.	3926.0390
3168	DCB_int_01	3926.0107	What-	3926.3576
3169		3926.6266	where do you- where do you eat?	3928.0777
3171		3928.2122	Where, like-	3929.0334
3173		3929.3803	where do you get	3930.4462
3175		3930.5737	said mumbo sauce?	3931.7983
3176	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3931.9045	See I'd go to carry out,	3933.1221
3178		3933.4477	so now,	3934.0353
3180		3934.4529	Hamilton's,	3935.6351
3182		3936.0286	uh, down on fourteenth street,	3937.6355
3184		3938.3363	uh, has now	3939.6176
3186		3940.0919	delivered the district wing	3941.7625
3188		3942.2126	with Mumbo S- And you know, Hamilton's real nice, refined	3944.7611
3190		3945.1221	restaurant. I have not eaten this	3946.7927
3192		3946.9838	yet, and there's a part of me that does not want to	3949.1187
3194		3949.7204	because I think it's a cardinal sin.	3951.4760
3196		3952.0282	Because unless you are getting it from an Asian	3954.7719
3198		3955.2462	person,	3955.8762
3200		3956.3859	which is odd because when it was first made, it was not made by Asians. It was made by African Americans cooking in	3961.2391
3202		3961.6426	little small kitchens in- [in DC.]	3964.1910
3203	DCB_int_01	3963.3274	[Little hole in the walls.] Mm.	3964.7502
3204	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3964.7573	And it still is. The best place to get it is little hole in the wall carry out.	3967.6709
3206		3968.2868	Can't get it from a clean place.	3969.3557
3208		3969.6884	Terrible thing to say, but	3970.8777
3210		3971.7737	[you know.]	3972.2410
3211	DCB_int_01	3971.8658	[But carry] out means something different, right?	3973.4585
3212	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3973.5789	It does. I mean- I mean carry out's Chinese food, so	3976.0211
3214		3976.5449	[you gotta-]	3977.0617
3215	DCB_int_01	3976.6794	[But it's not] just Chinese food.	3977.6705
3216	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3977.7313	It's not.	3978.0852
3218		3978.2693	So it's Chinese and American food.	3979.8125
3219	DCB_int_01	3979.8691	Mm-hm.	3980.2443
3220	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3980.6903	[And it's-]	3981.2283
3221	DCB_int_01	3980.7044	[And I can get] my steak and cheese. [I can get]	3982.8706
3222	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3982.2618	[Oh yeah.]	3982.8352
3223	DCB_int_01	3983.2953	fried [shrimp. I can]	3984.7082
3224	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3983.7171	[Five wings and fries.]	3984.8214
3225	DCB_int_01	3984.9559	Mm.	3985.4727
3226	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	3985.6851	Ketchup, Mumbo Sauce, salt and pepper.	3987.0725
3228		3987.3486	All day.	3987.8300
3230		3988.5945	And you gotta order it just like- it's like going to Philly and getting a cheese steak. You-	3991.4798
3232		3991.7771	there's a way that Philadelphians order a cheese steak that lets you know that they're from there.	3995.6422
3233	DCB_int_01	3996.2268	Okay so how do I sound like	3997.7912
3235		3998.0744	authentic DC when I order me some mumbo [Sauce.]	4000.7466
3236	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4000.5025	[Five wings with fries.]	4001.7059
3237	DCB_int_01	4000.9191	[I mean-.	4001.2036
3239		4001.9224	Five wings and [fries.]	4003.2886
3240	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4003.0975	[Yup.]	4003.3382
3241		4003.4727	Ketchup, mumbo Sauce, salt and pepper.	4004.7327
3242	DCB_int_01	4005.1858	Ketchup, mumbo Sauce, salt and pepper.	4006.8989
3243	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4006.8989	Yup.	4007.1608
3244	DCB_int_01	4007.9295	But do I really need the ketchup if I'm'a got the mumbo sauce.	4010.3788
3245	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4010.2938	On your french fries.	4011.3628
3246	DCB_int_01	4011.9149	But see now- now, wait a minute now, cause I've seen the kids when I was at Clubhouse Two.	4015.6143
3247	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4015.6355	[Mm-hm.]	4016.0532
3248	DCB_int_01	4015.9045	[This is] when I first started working so I had no clue-	4018.1627
3249		4018.3397	cause in college I didn't know about mumbo [Sauce.]	4019.9137
3250	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4019.8516	[Mm-hm.]	4020.2126
3251	DCB_int_01	4020.2011	I knew a little bit about go go, couldn't stand it.	4022.3527
3252	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4022.7540	<laugh>	4023.2141
3253	DCB_int_01	4024.6087	So I- every day, there w- it was this little	4026.5029
3255		4026.6798	joint like,	4027.2249
3257		4027.3665	down the street.	4028.2160
3258	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4028.2372	Mm-hm.	4028.6478
3259	DCB_int_01	4029.4831	And, I can't remember what-	4031.8899
3261		4032.0711	something it was called, but they would go	4033.7771
3263		4034.1452	before they came to the Club,	4035.6884
3265		4036.1273	and they would go	4036.8493
3267		4037.1042	get they chicken wings and mumbo sauce [for they french] fries. But they put it in everything.	4041.0796
3268	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4039.0338	[Mm-hm.]	4039.5435
3269		4041.1079	Mm-hm.	4041.4477
3271		4042.0565	And I think- I mean- it-	4042.8564
3273		4043.2741	of course, like it- with anything, there's always going to be variations. I know people who get it w- five wings and fried rice.	4048.0913
3275		4049.2882	And they'll get mumbo sauce on the fried rice. I'm not quite with that game.	4052.1381
3277		4052.8035	Um,	4053.4548
3279		4054.6653	but	4054.9626
3281		4055.2953	mumbo sauce had to be in the picture.	4056.9134
3283		4057.1824	There was a place- it's no longer open. It's called Houng Pho	4059.9149
3285		4060.9484	right near the DC	4062.8781
3287		4063.0975	Eastern Avenue	4064.2018
3289		4064.4637	border. PG DC border.	4065.9786
3291		4066.5803	The best-	4067.8616
3293		4068.2693	Houng Pho was open when I was in elementary school.	4070.0602
3294	DCB_int_01	4070.4637	At [/RD-SCHOOL-2/.]	4071.1008
3295	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4070.7964	[The-] at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. Yeah.	4072.2122
3296		4072.4104	Right next to	4073.7979
3298		4074.0711	[uh-]	4074.6835
3299	DCB_int_01	4074.4250	[Was that] the golden years of your life?	4075.7063
3300	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4075.8337	It was. [I mean] those were good years.	4078.1556
3301	DCB_int_01	4076.3080	[Mm.]	4076.6053
3302	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4078.6794	Those were- I mean, good years for so many reasons cause it-	4080.7506
3304		4081.8903	it was family- it's- every- it was like family reunion every day.	4085.4864
3305	DCB_int_01	4085.7059	Mm.	4086.0528
3306	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4086.1914	Like [black family reunion.]	4087.5440
3307	DCB_int_01	4086.4887	[Everything you can remember] that was good in your life happened	4088.8318
3308		4088.9663	while you were at [/RD-SCHOOL-2/.]	4090.1768
3309	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4089.6318	[Yeah.]	4090.0211
3310	DCB_int_01	4090.3963	Not to say other things weren't [good, but that- those were] golden years [for you.]	4093.6638
3311	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4091.3348	[No, no, no, but it was-]	4092.5029
3313		4093.2037	[Those are-] Those eight years are years I will never-	4095.9811
3314		4096.7715	I mean simple things. I can remember when we used to take spelling tests	4100.1027
3315	DCB_int_01	4100.7894	Loved it.	4101.3628
3316	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4101.4406	on the half a sheet of paper,	4103.0829
3318		4103.4935	and it wasn't a p- now, the teacher didn't have to tear it,	4106.3576
3320		4106.8248	she ordered it from a magical paper store that sent	4110.0528
3322		4110.2976	half sheets of paper.	4111.7417
3323	DCB_int_01	4111.7912	<laugh>	4112.3363
3324	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4112.6195	And it was something special about spelling day when you got this half sheet of paper,	4116.9134
3326		4117.3169	and you had to number it one to ten	4119.3557
3328		4120.1273	and spell these ten words right.	4121.6280
3330		4121.8304	They're- they're- they're visuals. They're photographs in my mind [I have]	4126.1273
3331	DCB_int_01	4125.4052	[Kids know nothing] [about this.]	4127.1183
3332	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4126.6299	[of the school.]	4127.2528
3333		4127.3449	Nothing.	4128.0598
3334	DCB_int_01	4128.2480	[Nothing.]	4128.9984
3335	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4128.6374	[I remember] the open space, and the- the- the bulletin board and the chalk board that was the divider.	4134.7011
3336	DCB_int_01	4134.7365	[Mm-hm.]	4135.1683
3337	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4134.9984	[And there] was another class on side of- of the chalk board but you would never know	4138.0919
3338		4138.3397	cause you- you were so engrossed in what your teacher was doing.	4141.0975
3340		4141.8266	It was right there.	4142.5628
3342		4142.8318	I remember /RD-NAME-4/	4144.3043
3344		4145.0475	who was the- I don't even know what Miss /RD-NAME-2/'s title was,	4147.8408
3346		4148.5487	but she was like the everything. You would have thought she was assistant principal. She was never that. She's like the program coordinator.	4154.0602
3348		4154.3363	Miss /RD-NAME-2/ had taught,	4155.6672
3350		4155.9999	but by the time I got	4157.2528
3352		4157.9861	there, she was no longer a teacher. She was this administrator.	4160.5982
3354		4161.3061	Um,	4161.8724
3356		4163.2812	next to Miss /RD-NAME-2/, Miss /RD-NAME-2/ was /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	4165.3594
3358		4166.5204	You had Mr. /RD-NAME-2/. You had /RD-NAME-5/. You had /RD-NAME-4/.	4170.2834
3360		4170.9418	Uh, you had /RD-NAME-3/,	4172.5487
3362		4172.7681	the librarian.	4173.6884
3364		4174.5095	[Um-]	4175.1467
3365	DCB_int_01	4174.5095	[I knew the li- I]	4175.3490
3366		4175.5543	I was [wondering when the librarian was gonna] come in because	4177.7771
3367	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4175.8333	[Oh yeah, she was right there.]	4176.8781
3368	DCB_int_01	4178.0178	you can't have a good school	4179.8087
3369	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4179.8866	Without [a librarian.]	4180.9895
3370	DCB_int_01	4180.1344	[without a good librarian.]	4181.2033
3371	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4181.2741	/RD-NAME-3/. /RD-NAME-4/. And for some rea- You remember these people middle names. That's how you knew-	4186.0191
3373		4186.3680	it was /RD-NAME-5/,	4188.1519
3374	DCB_int_01	4187.9082	<laugh>	4188.6728
3375	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4188.7648	/RD-NAME-4/. [U- You] remember.	4191.0584
3376	DCB_int_01	4190.0390	[/?/]	4190.4354
3377	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4191.5256	You remember these people's	4192.9149
3379		4193.1246	um,	4193.5750
3381		4194.2976	names. But /RD-SCHOOL-4/ had a- a friend,	4196.7171
3383		4197.7811	and this was back in the day, where, you know, corporal punishment wasn't in the picture.	4201.7262
3385		4202.7249	Her- her friend was called /RD-NAME-2/.	4204.6508
3387		4206.6312	/RD-NAME-2/ was	4207.3146
3389		4207.4621	about three yard sticks taped together.	4209.8354
3391		4211.3575	And /RD-NAME-4/ would walk into the cafeteria.	4213.9871
3393		4214.8181	She asked you be quiet,	4216.1228
3395		4217.4663	and you didn't, /RD-NAME-2/ (whispered)	4219.0893
3397		4219.3845	wham!	4219.8970
3399		4220.4375	On the table.	4221.0355
3401		4221.6180	I tell you you hear a pin drop, and I mean you can- I can- to to this day I can hear,	4225.1282
3403		4225.6687	I told you be quiet!	4226.5696
3405		4227.2996	/RD-NAME-2/ had a word where you knew she was cussing, but she couldn't cuss cause- so she didn't say a cuss word.	4231.7029
3406	DCB_int_01	4231.7805	So [she wasn't like the other lady.]	4232.9579
3407	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4232.0393	[But she said, blame it.]	4233.1831
3408		4233.8044	And you knew she was really saying the other [word],	4235.9711
3409	DCB_int_01	4235.6682	[Mm-hm.]	4236.1497
3410	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4236.3361	but she said, blame it!	4237.4311
3412		4237.7386	And I can hear her	4238.8647
3414		4239.2219	now	4239.7345
3416		4240.2237	saying it.	4240.7363
3418		4241.3498	But as much as she did that,	4242.6700
3420		4243.2447	Miss /RD-NAME-2/ can say blame it	4244.7948
3422		4245.3306	and be good.	4245.9830
3423	DCB_int_01	4245.9674	But Miss [what's name-]	4247.1556
3424	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4246.6353	[Oh, Miss /RD-NAME-1/?	4247.4585
3425		4247.6216	[No,] Miss /RD-NAME-1/ cursed at-	4249.3379
3426	DCB_int_01	4247.6216	[Miss /RD-NAME-1/.]	4248.1730
3427	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4249.8659	at	4250.2387
3429		4250.5152	us.	4251.0899
3431		4252.7363	There was a pride built into /RD-SCHOOL-2/ students so strong,	4255.5864
3433		4256.0027	it was almost a how	4257.5170
3435		4257.9286	dare you?	4258.6819
3436	DCB_int_01	4258.9925	[Mm.]	4259.3109
3437	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4259.1090	[Do you] know who we are?	4260.3749
3438	DCB_int_01	4260.5380	Hm.	4260.8253
3439	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4261.5864	We are the /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Eagles,	4263.0666
3441		4263.5248	and you have [lost your mind. You cursed] at us. You got to go.	4266.2988
3442	DCB_int_01	4264.1771	[<laugh>]	4264.9615
3443		4267.1748	And she went.	4267.7495
3444	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4267.7029	She went.	4268.1766
3445	DCB_int_01	4268.4298	Very quickly.	4269.0200
3446	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4269.4549	But I- I mean just- those were- those were	4271.7769
3448		4272.6467	special y- <laugh>	4273.6563
3450		4274.0958	I- I don't know why I remember this. My mom-	4276.1383
3452		4276.2470	And I mean the parents were there. The-	4278.1419
3454		4279.0505	They would have- when Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ left, they had a going away for him,	4281.9441
3456		4282.4179	and I remember my mom bringing a rum cake	4284.7787
3458		4285.6640	to school. And I thought it was the funniest thing cause she had=	4287.9907
3460		4288.4878	rum cake, and I mean	4289.8934
3462		4290.1807	this is one of them cakes where you- you spoon the rum over the cake three days- [once] a day for three [days.]	4294.6431
3463	DCB_int_01	4293.3706	[Mm.]	4293.5885
3465		4294.2815	[<laugh>.]	4294.6415
3466	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4295.1168	And so when you take this top off this cake,	4297.0738
3468		4298.4375	okay, cool.	4299.5791
3470		4299.8044	And of course no children ate the cake. It was for the staff and the- and the parents,	4303.4311
3472		4304.1813	but I mean just- there were moments	4306.1072
3474		4306.8139	that	4307.3265
3476		4308.5768	only could happen in a family	4310.3892
3477	DCB_int_01	4310.5367	[Environment.]	4311.0511
3478	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4310.5618	in a [community] environment.	4312.2004
3479		4312.7673	The even-	4313.7303
3481		4314.7166	I remember falling asleep. I remember I have horrible allergies.	4318.1305
3483		4318.8139	I mean bad,	4320.0642
3485		4320.5302	and one day it was so bad Miss /RD-NAME-2/ felt so bad for me.	4323.8820
3487		4324.6508	Teachers and parents are- they not supposed to give no medicine to the children.	4327.7339
3489		4328.4997	But because that's Miss /RD-NAME-2/ and she knows, and she knows Miss /RD-NAME-2/ was around the corner	4332.4059
3491		4333.1515	Was it fine? Yup. They gave me Tylenol Allergy. I'll never forget.	4336.5654
3493		4336.7440	I slept six hours	4338.3438
3495		4338.9418	on the green leather sticky stinky [sofa]	4342.6974
3496	DCB_int_01	4342.0762	[<laugh>]	4342.7207
3497	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4343.0857	in the main office.	4344.1652
3499		4344.3749	And this one of them sofas with the wooden bench but the green	4347.2141
3501		4347.7578	cushion that they had tied with [twine to the bench.]	4351.0505
3502	DCB_int_01	4349.5983	[<laugh>]	4351.0971
3503	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4351.9017	And slept on there for six hours.	4353.3539
3505		4353.4704	Tylenol knocked me out completely,	4355.1556
3507		4355.2721	and that- /to this/ day I have never used Tylenol Allergy cause I was- I don't never wanna sleep like that, that hard.	4359.8820
3509		4360.5965	But there were just- there were m- I mean, I could go on- there are pictures	4363.4311
3510	DCB_int_01	4364.0328	/In just-/	4364.3384
3511	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4364.5307	[in my] head	4365.3384
3512	DCB_int_01	4364.5714	[Mm-hm.]	4364.8922
3513	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4365.8820	um, of those moments that	4367.6915
3515		4368.3593	again were validating	4369.7262
3517		4370.5385	and let you know that	4371.6257
3519		4372.6897	you were special and somebody cared and your life meant something and	4376.5230
3521		4377.6413	you know.	4378.0373
3523		4378.5887	[I try] to use that.	4379.4430
3524	DCB_int_01	4378.6115	[If you-]	4378.8113
3525		4379.5672	if you could leave- that's what I was just gonna ask you- if you could leave,	4382.1424
3527		4382.9113	a piece of advice,	4384.0839
3529		4384.8450	and you do this on a daily basis, but if we could sum it up, put a bow on it, you could have a piece of advice	4389.9364
3531		4390.4412	to the young people, to the old peo- to whomever,	4393.8582
3533		4394.3211	like in today's time, thinking about all your journey and everything that's	4399.1359
3535		4399.7386	up to this point. What would that piece of advice be?	4401.9441
3536	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4402.1538	Create moments that matter.	4403.6915
3538		4405.1981	At the end of the day that's all we have.	4406.7171
3540		4408.5266	We have moments that matter.	4409.6526
3542		4410.7476	Moments that made you better.	4412.4841
3544		4413.5092	Moments that helped you forgive.	4415.6138
3545	DCB_int_01	4416.1264	Hm.	4416.3671
3546	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4416.8020	Um,	4417.3534
3548		4417.9172	moments that	4418.9967
3550		4420.0063	made you laugh. Like that	4421.5750
3552		4421.9400	gut	4422.4370
3554		4422.6389	wrenching	4423.2757
3556		4423.7184	side hurting, tears down your [face], laugh,	4427.2566
3557	DCB_int_01	4426.1538	[Face.]	4426.5576
3558	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4427.9167	that twenty years later you can think about it and still laugh just as hard.	4431.5636
3560		4432.3091	Um,	4432.7673
3562		4433.1634	create moments that matter	4434.3438
3564		4434.8564	with people that you love, with	4436.5929
3566		4437.2530	somebody that doesn't have what you	4438.6664
3568		4438.9848	have.	4439.4197
3569	DCB_int_01	4440.3516	I remember-	4441.2291
3571		4442.6472	And it's so funny you talk about create moments that matter.	4445.0003
3573		4445.3808	Every time I wear this shirt,	4446.6700
3575		4447.2447	I always- when I'm traveling I try to wear it.	4449.1598
3577		4449.7189	I- I'm very intentional	4451.1556
3578	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4451.3886	Mm-hm.	4451.7381
3579	DCB_int_01	4451.8235	like, when I wear it.	4452.7321
3581		4453.7231	But I remember one of the things	4455.6413
3583		4456.3946	was just seeing	4457.5828
3585		4457.7924	The Arc	4458.6778
3587		4459.9716	filled with kids and people on a Saturday,	4463.2644
3589		4463.8779	and I remember	4465.0893
3591		4466.0958	the slide show.	4467.2141
3592	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4467.4937	Mm.	4467.8665
3593	DCB_int_01	4468.5033	That thing touched me in a place that I can't even really talk about.	4471.4311
3594	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4471.3767	Yeah.	4471.7029
3595	DCB_int_01	4471.9405	How-	4472.5773
3597		4473.1442	I can't talk about what that meant and how that felt. I just felt-	4476.6778
3599		4477.0661	I felt hurt	4478.3892
3601		4478.7792	but I felt reverent- like I need to just-	4480.7829
3603		4481.4818	This is a moment of reverence. Like I need to just realize	4484.8258
3605		4485.0278	the struggle that we've had,	4486.8217
3606	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4486.7751	Yup.	4487.0547
3607	DCB_int_01	4487.5439	um, and how much we've overcome.	4489.5009
3609		4490.0027	And I think-	4490.5152
3611		4490.9967	I think it just kind of summed up	4493.2721
3613		4494.0565	just-	4494.4215
3615		4494.6778	It was so many different emotions right? Cause you're listening to this-	4496.9423
3617		4497.1753	this song Glory,	4498.3091
3618	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4498.3014	Yeah.	4498.5887
3619	DCB_int_01	4498.6431	but you're seeing these very very-	4500.6389
3621		4501.0195	it's juxtaposed with these images of [these people] that are killed right? It's just like,	4504.4567
3622	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4502.5851	[Yup.]	4502.9268
3623	DCB_int_01	4504.6586	you're having these conflicting-	4506.4836
3625		4506.8952	but I think about-	4507.9125
3627		4508.1424	I think about DC. I think about	4510.6275
3629		4511.2566	we are in the middle- we are in the nation's capital. We're in one of the political capitals of the world.	4516.1616
3631		4517.3498	And I think about	4518.6001
3633		4522.0995	what it means when you cross the river.	4523.6759
3634	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4523.8934	Mm.	4524.3283
3635	DCB_int_01	4526.0570	How much we talk about how glorious DC is,	4528.6198
3637		4530.5224	but you can't go to wards seven and eight.	4532.0725
3639		4532.2589	Or now we got a new- ward nine. [Cause] we gotta kick our people out so we can	4535.9167
3640	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4534.0684	[Mm-hm.]	4534.4412
3641	DCB_int_01	4536.4448	you know, have Starbucks on every corner. Mind [you I do] drink a lot of Starbucks.	4539.2840
3642	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4538.0259	[Right.]	4538.3987
3644		4539.1908	Right. [<laugh>]	4540.7518
3645	DCB_int_01	4540.2470	[But]	4540.6586
3646		4541.0236	like I remember that moment.	4542.7476
3647	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4542.8797	Yeah.	4543.2136
3648	DCB_int_01	4543.3301	And as I think back,	4544.6395
3650		4544.9579	and when I wear this shirt, I think about- Like I think about those images, and I think about	4549.8659
3652		4550.2667	that room being	4551.1675
3654		4551.2918	dark. And [I think] about	4552.8295
3655	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4551.8277	[Yeah.]	4552.1461
3656	DCB_int_01	4553.0469	seeing the stage, and [I think] about just like, oh my God.	4556.7463
3657	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4554.1341	[Yeah.]	4554.4914
3658		4557.5636	But I think that's what life is.	4559.0236
3660		4560.6855	It's- it's seeing-	4562.2620
3662		4563.5248	I think- well let me take that back. I think it's life for those of us	4566.8408
3664		4567.6920	who fight	4568.9501
3666		4570.4101	for the better day.	4571.8468
3668		4572.8020	You see-	4574.0679
3670		4577.1168	what you see and what you hear are often two different	4579.3192
3672		4579.6221	[things.]	4580.0725
3673	DCB_int_01	4579.8396	[Very] much so.	4580.5929
3674	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4581.3306	And you see this- this darkness. And you see this	4584.1730
3676		4584.6234	sadness. But	4585.7184
3678		4586.1502	in your ear	4587.4549
3680		4588.7906	there's a	4589.3265
3682		4590.1031	one day.	4590.6778
3683	DCB_int_01	4591.1748	Have you seen Inside Out?	4592.3892
3684	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4592.8181	No, not yet.	4593.5791
3685	DCB_int_01	4593.7888	You have to [see it.]	4594.6974
3686	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4594.2936	[No wait. S-] That's um-	4595.5051
3687	DCB_int_01	4596.5147	The little animated video but it's the- it's the voices [in the little] girl's [head?]	4599.7798
3688	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4598.7482	[Mm.]	4599.1831
3690		4599.4549	[Yeah], yup yup.	4600.4334
3691		4602.1217	Not a [/??/.]	4602.9834
3692	DCB_int_01	4602.5017	[When I was watching] it,	4603.5932
3693		4603.7699	I thought of a couple different things. I thought about /RD-NAME-3/,	4606.0676
3695		4607.1370	and I thought about this journey that we've been on the last six months.	4610.1632
3697		4610.6713	But I thought about,	4612.2709
3699		4612.7879	like when the girl lost her joy and- and all this that goes on in the movie, right?	4617.2148
3701		4617.7893	And I thought about-	4618.8144
3703		4620.6210	I was that one thousand [/worth/], and then today we talked about that. And I said,	4624.6421
3704	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4621.9334	[Mm.]	4622.2825
3705	DCB_int_01	4624.9558	you do- cause she was- she's reading something some poetry, and we talked a lot about eyes, and I said,	4629.0955
3707		4629.5330	I said, why do you talk about the eyes so much?	4632.1306
3709		4632.4620	And she said, cause they're the window to the soul.	4634.1367
3711		4634.5741	She said,	4635.1132
3713		4635.8555	you can- you can say a lot with your eyes without saying. You can say so many things with your mouth but your eyes tell it [all.]	4640.9320
3714	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4640.4946	[Mm-hm.]	4640.9232
3715	DCB_int_01	4641.2325	And that is so true. Like, [you can talk] to somebody for hours and hours and hours and	4645.0452
3716	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4642.2797	[Yeah.]	4642.6553
3717	DCB_int_01	4645.8981	they can be saying all this.	4647.1972
3718	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4647.1044	Yup.	4647.4402
3719	DCB_int_01	4647.5683	And you see pain in their eyes. [You see] hurt or	4650.2985
3720	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4648.8851	[Yeah.]	4649.3093
3721	DCB_int_01	4650.8773	apathy [or]	4652.4371
3722	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4651.8097	[Yeah.]	4652.4062
3723	DCB_int_01	4653.0513	just	4653.6876
3725		4654.2267	[sadness.]	4655.4330
3726	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4655.0884	[Yeah.]	4655.4021
3727	DCB_int_01	4655.6761	And it's just like-	4656.6879
3728	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4657.2264	But that's why I think for me why listening-	4659.1883
3730		4659.3165	active listening is so important	4660.8144
3731	DCB_int_01	4661.0619	Mm-hm.	4661.4595
3732	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4661.5744	because listening is not just done with your- You have to listen with your [whole body.]	4665.4269
3733	DCB_int_01	4664.7189	[Whole body.]	4665.3984
3734		4665.4844	Your whole [body needs to be in /that thing/.]	4667.2077
3735	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4665.9660	[Your whole being]	4667.2695
3736	DCB_int_01	4667.2960	[Yes.]	4667.8042
3737	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4667.6054	[is] there,	4668.3565
3738		4668.4399	and	4669.0894
3740		4669.9953	I mean every day. And I- and that's-	4671.5153
3742		4671.9262	and I'm- I'm- I'm grateful to God for this sort of sixth sense that I have	4675.7081
3744		4676.3090	where, you know-	4677.2325
3746		4677.3739	you know, my kids will come and, hey, I'm good.	4679.0574
3748		4679.2695	No, you're [not.]	4679.9898
3749	DCB_int_01	4679.5965	[Mm.]	4680.2063
3750	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4680.5283	And I think it's- it's- I- it's m- it's my mama.	4682.8658
3752		4683.1220	It's my mother in me.	4684.1958
3754		4684.6067	It's the m- It's the /RD-NAME-3/ that's in me.	4687.4076
3756		4688.1057	Uh, cause she was that and still	4690.7128
3758		4690.8895	is.	4691.5612
3760		4692.1047	I	4692.3875
3762		4692.5636	cannot- as much as I try sometimes not to	4695.4004
3764		4695.9881	burden her with my stuff,	4697.5833
3766		4697.6937	I can't be around her	4699.3325
3767	DCB_int_01	4699.7257	[/Yup yup/.]	4700.2427
3768	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4699.8450	[and tell] her, no, I'm good.	4701.5816
3769		4702.2179	What's wrong?	4702.8939
3771		4703.1016	And it's like,	4703.7733
3773		4703.9412	n-	4704.0472
3775		4704.2366	she can say two words and	4705.4739
3777		4705.6285	the flood gates is like oh my god.	4708.0544
3779		4708.8232	You know. And so, she passed that, I think along to me.	4711.8715
3781		4712.4504	And when these young people come in,	4714.2135
3783		4715.2165	and- like you said, you see it. It's in your eyes.	4717.9025
3785		4718.3267	It's in your body language. It's in how you set down in the chair as opposed to how you set in the chair yesterday.	4724.1897
3786	DCB_int_01	4724.4106	[Mm-hm.]	4724.8260
3787	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4724.6802	[It's] in the tone of your voice.	4726.5007
3788		4728.4576	It's in the way you ask me a question.	4730.5465
3789	DCB_int_01	4730.7818	Mm.	4731.2723
3791		4731.6258	[Critical.]	4732.1030
3792	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4732.0411	[And I] hear you.	4733.2563
3793		4734.1400	And I've had moments where I've said to them,	4736.4813
3795		4737.2413	take as much time as you want.	4738.7172
3797		4739.0132	We're not leaving this space til you tell me what- or just something.	4741.5534
3799		4742.4902	What is it? No, I'm good.	4743.6965
3801		4744.0588	What is it?	4744.6597
3803		4745.6805	No, I kn- I- I haven't gotten as good as my mama, where she can break me down off of two what is its.	4750.0544
3805		4751.2474	But there been moments where	4752.6217
3807		4752.8464	you know, we get- we get to the what it is.	4755.3297
3809		4756.2488	And it can be something simple or it can be something intense or- or m- or deeply meaningful,	4761.0911
3811		4761.8334	but	4762.1516
3813		4764.0472	I think that's what all of us want. We want to somebody to see us.	4766.8304
3814	DCB_int_01	4766.8878	Mm-hm.	4767.2899
3815	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4767.7407	I see you.	4768.6087
3817		4770.6829	I see you.	4771.4044
3819		4771.8318	[I] get you.	4772.7332
3821		4774.8630	Again, I go back to the the glory days.	4776.6520
3823		4776.7978	There were people who saw that.	4777.9997
3824	DCB_int_01	4778.6713	Mm.	4779.0381
3825	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4779.0911	And at points where I, you know,	4780.7614
3827		4781.7733	battled with what it meant to be	4784.2206
3829		4784.3753	the little chubby	4785.3032
3831		4785.5065	dark skinned boy	4786.5449
3833		4788.2499	and wrestled with that and	4790.2692
3835		4791.0204	what that meant.	4791.9660
3837		4793.7423	And there were people that saw	4795.2794
3839		4795.9776	greatness.	4796.5874
3841		4796.7509	So when I make	4797.8246
3843		4798.1737	little spiritual vitamins in high school that say, you are destined	4801.6108
3845		4802.2074	for greatness, that's real.	4803.7053
3847		4804.9425	I see it. I look for it in people cause somebody saw it in me.	4808.6492
3848	DCB_int_01	4808.7067	Mm-hm.	4809.3209
3849	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4809.8555	When my teacher said, stand there and you wait until somebody-	4812.6437
3851		4812.9171	until everybody stops talking,	4814.5564
3853		4815.8776	they saw something in me, and when-	4817.7291
3855		4817.8484	when I had that moment and people listened,	4820.1853
3857		4820.6448	those people saw something in me.	4822.4344
3858	DCB_int_01	4822.6111	Mm-hm.	4823.0972
3859	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4823.7020	You know, and I want that-	4824.9304
3861		4825.1999	You know, I wanna create those type of moments for	4827.8246
3863		4828.2709	not just the young people, but people,	4829.8754
3865		4830.0113	like, it's- in general. And that's- once I realized	4832.3488
3867		4833.3651	junior year,	4834.1428
3869		4834.7393	this art thing is cool, but	4836.2461
3871		4836.8243	this is not what I'm supposed to do	4838.4195
3873		4839.2502	with my life.	4839.9528
3875		4840.1560	Now it's given a lot.	4841.3667
3877		4843.0585	It's given a whole lot,	4844.2118
3879		4844.4239	um, because it's given me discipline.	4846.4040
3880	DCB_int_01	4846.8851	Mm.	4847.1370
3881	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4847.1149	It's given me pride,	4848.2107
3882		4849.0143	given me creativity,	4850.1985
3884		4851.0116	but it wasn't what I was supposed to do.	4852.2444
3886		4854.0030	You [know.]	4854.4626
3887	DCB_int_01	4854.2941	[It's] just means to whatever the end [is.]	4857.2325
3888	DCB_se2_ag3_m_01	4856.5078	[Mm-hm.]	4856.9320
3889		4857.5065	Yup.	4857.7627