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1DCB_int_010.3579Okay, I'm- I know we1.6215
3 1.7416been talking a long time, but I [have a couple-]3.5508 
4DCB_se2_ag3_m_022.8234[We good.]3.2664
5DCB_int_013.6767a couple other things.5.1036
7 5.9942Um,6.5537 
9 6.9676kind of go back to8.1893 
11 8.3058thinking about8.9120 
13 9.5881DC and your experience in DC and- and growing up.13.0573 
15 14.3012How do you see the city15.6254 
17 15.8306and how- how it's changed? How do you feel about the change?19.1226 
18DCB_se2_ag3_m_0219.5131Mm.19.9281
20 20.8654It's interesting.21.7653 
22 21.9145Um,22.6513 
24 23.1688l- I've used that word a lot,24.6843 
26 25.0340<ts> uh,25.6775 
28 25.8255during this26.4504 
30 26.9446interview27.4109 
32 27.6441m-27.8259 
34 27.9751session,28.3995 
36 28.9823but29.2108 
38 29.4533it's true.30.0874 
40 30.6330Um,31.2298 
42 32.8840I remember33.8492 
43 33.8492when they first shut down that neighborhood36.4138
45 36.9081where-37.4956 
47 37.7183<ts> Um,38.0820 
49 39.7373there are a bunch of stories that I left out.41.3600 
51 41.4766Um, there was a time that I walked through this particular neighborhood,44.7535 
53 45.2944and, uh,46.0358 
55 46.5114I was carrying pizza with my family.48.6423 
57 49.1075Um,49.8722 
59 51.3830and-52.2223 
61 53.7051oh wait, I was carrying pizza for my family. I was walking by myself. I was maybe57.0146 
63 57.5182twelve.58.1057 
65 58.5487Um,59.2061 
67 59.4906and59.9755 
69 60.9547I was holding onto the pizzas,62.2918 
71 62.4410and two dudes walked by.63.7000 
73 64.2503And they like, faked like they were gonna try to snatch my pizza.66.4651 
75 66.8335But I had a tight grip!67.5562 
77 68.3385And then somebody across the street yelled, hey you better run,71.0569 
79 71.5046and then like,72.2646 
81 72.6656he- uh, I looked back, and they were starting to chase me.75.1218 
83 75.4203Um,76.0031 
85 76.3155and so I ran,77.1362 
87 77.6118<ts>77.6818 
89 77.7470um, and I was just like, I never wanna walk down this street again.79.9748 
91 80.2732Dang.80.5436 
93 80.8234Can't even carry food to my family. Blah blah blah blah.82.8051 
95 83.2854Um,83.6305 
97 83.7517and then84.5071 
99 84.6983like two years later,85.6775 
101 85.9794that whole neighborhood got shut down.87.3596 
103 88.0264And88.5394 
105 88.6979I thought to myself,89.5186 
107 89.6351Word.89.9942 
109 90.1854That's what's up.90.7542 
111 91.2707Like,91.4945 
113 92.0167shut all that shit down,93.1405 
115 93.3317I'll never have to deal with it anymore. /But you know./95.3274 
117 95.8729Um,96.5724 
119 98.0121but98.2266 
121 98.3058now,99.1964 
123 100.4974I can see that that was the beginning102.5351 
125 103.0713of like103.8267 
127 104.7301the redistribution106.0637 
129 106.1710of106.8564 
131 107.7750m-107.8869 
133 108.2600members of108.8195 
135 109.1354DC. Like- like DC's, uh,111.2058 
137 111.6767black community.112.5533 
139 113.2808Um,113.9802 
141 115.6670and while-116.4364 
143 117.4482Damn I got a piece for this too.118.9870 
145 119.5419Um,120.0874 
147 120.2227I got a piece that speaks directly to122.0306 
149 122.6649gentrification and124.4834 
151 124.6979what DC125.5186 
153 125.6538looks like.126.1434 
155 126.6237Um,127.2905 
157 128.9073<ts>128.9726 
159 130.3622it's a double edged sword.131.8077 
161 133.3930Part of me feels like134.6882 
163 135.4576if135.9145 
165 136.8378we137.6771 
167 137.9429knew the value of the land that we are140.3664 
169 140.4923currently residing on,142.0871 
171 142.7632then we wouldn't litter in the communities that we're already in,146.6509 
173 146.9260bringing down the property value to a certain point.149.7004 
175 150.3019Um,150.8522 
177 151.0608which then allows for153.0845 
179 153.2477others to move into the communities,155.3880 
181 155.9802and then,157.0247 
183 157.4257<ts>157.4770 
185 157.5329uh, for158.6882 
187 159.0799houses to get boarded up,160.5487 
189 160.7725and then161.3927 
191 162.0874uh, businesses to no longer want to come164.3245 
193 164.4597into the community.165.4063 
195 166.0404Then,166.7632 
197 167.5652you know,168.0968 
199 169.0993things can get169.7521 
201 170.5623boarded up. Like the old businesses get boarded up,173.0709 
203 173.1642and then173.6678 
205 173.8823a large business that doesn't175.5516 
207 175.6996care about the community,176.8187 
209 176.9400like say a Walmart178.0124 
211 178.5487can move in,179.3927 
213 179.8077<ts>179.8729 
215 179.9475um,180.4511 
217 180.5957which then rises the property-182.1100 
219 182.3991raises the property value183.8166 
221 184.5720to a point beyond where the folks who are residing there187.1319 
223 187.8302can188.1799 
225 188.4084continue to afford.189.5601 
227 190.4041Um,190.8844 
229 191.0523so it's a cycle.191.9382 
231 192.2040Like192.5351 
233 193.0014if we would193.6484 
235 194.2312take care of our communities first,196.3715 
237 198.0128then the property values wouldn't199.4490 
239 199.6344lower,200.3851 
241 200.5669wouldn't be lowered201.3596 
243 201.9938to a point202.6093 
245 202.8331where203.4906 
247 204.4465a business like a Walmart205.8116 
249 205.8862would be able to buy for cheap207.3923 
251 208.0544and then raise the values even higher than they already are.211.1739 
253 211.8628Um,212.5716 
255 214.8378yeah.215.3041 
257 216.6470Yeah.217.0293 
259 217.2438Cause like,217.7055 
261 218.4317Walmart wouldn't be able to afford to put220.9730 
263 221.7004a Walmart222.3579 
265 222.5304in Tenleytown.223.6635 
267 224.5063But they can afford to put225.7094 
269 226.3762two226.8285 
271 227.2341in Anacostia,228.2833 
273 229.0247you know?229.4164 
275 229.4991Or east of the river.230.5809 
277 231.2897So231.9891 
279 233.9009it's interest-234.7029 
281 234.7775Like-235.0387 
283 235.4117like-235.7148 
285 237.4622and I'm not saying that it's our fault239.1082 
287 240.3486because if crack241.7707 
289 242.0540and heroin never hit the community-244.2922 
291 244.5906community,245.2061 
293 245.5046then246.0781 
295 246.2320folks might have246.9454 
297 247.3278been able to keep up248.5483 
299 248.7861their249.3177 
301 249.5275stuff back in the seventies and eighties.251.4067 
303 252.0501And252.8988 
305 253.6344if we had254.4690 
307 255.1824better education in our community,257.1828 
309 257.6771then we would realize that259.3511 
311 260.1893this- uh,261.0099 
313 262.0637that262.3575 
315 262.6093the-263.0056 
317 263.1176that throwing trash down in your neighborhood265.8022 
319 266.1753is a direct-266.9633 
321 267.4342is in direct correlation to269.6864 
323 269.9009asthma rates270.8242 
325 271.1925and- uh, and the roaches in the neighborhood and the rodents in the neighborhood,274.7492 
327 275.0756um, which contribute to,276.5211 
329 276.9361uh,277.4257 
331 277.5504asthma infections for youth,279.4063 
333 279.5368and children.280.1617 
335 280.6186Um,281.3274 
337 282.0968<ts> I just- it's-282.8603 
339 284.3245it's a system,285.0192 
341 285.8865and286.8797 
343 287.9382while I'm happy for a safer DC,290.4830 
345 291.2011I am sad292.1197 
347 292.2596that292.5067 
349 292.8984we can-293.5279 
351 293.9242we feel like we're not supposed to be a part of it.296.0540 
353 296.7348<ts> Um,297.2897 
355 297.6394prime example298.4601 
357 299.0103is, uh, the drum circle at Malcolm X Park,301.4210 
358DCB_int_01301.5702[/Mm./]301.8687
359DCB_se2_ag3_m_02301.6075[right?]301.8360
360 302.3105So302.6089
362 302.7255I love drum circle.304.1523 
364 304.5580And I've been going to drum circle for like,306.3206 
366 306.5164seven,307.2671 
368 307.3966eight years now.308.2778 
370 308.8747And309.5135 
372 309.6767I remember a time310.8285 
374 310.9917when it was311.4206 
376 311.5792all black,312.3486 
378 312.7775<laugh>312.9780 
380 313.3826and it was like,313.9375 
382 314.4550white folk314.9027 
384 315.2477didn't even know it was a thing.316.5953 
386 316.6746Like a lot of us didn't know it was a thing,318.5584 
388 318.9081but the folks who knew,319.8069 
390 320.0494they knew.320.4690 
392 321.0705And so-321.8166 
394 322.5347um,323.4113 
396 325.0107<ts>325.1039 
398 325.3418and so325.8022 
400 325.8955a few years ago,326.9913 
402 327.3317more white folks started coming.328.5580 
404 329.0243And I'm like,329.4766 
406 329.5932that's cool.330.1714 
408 330.2786That's alright.330.7869 
410 331.0014Whatev.331.4525 
412 331.5691Like, be a part of it.332.6835 
414 333.1312Um,333.7606 
416 334.9917like,335.3600 
418 336.7915the-337.0433 
420 337.6717I look at-338.4037 
422 339.9565<ts>340.0917 
424 340.4554I think there's a difference between342.1247 
426 342.7029integration and assimilation.344.8336 
428 345.6767And so a lot of347.1642 
430 347.3833super pro-black folk-348.9034 
432 349.5003and349.6903 
434 349.8442I'm pro-black too. Like, I'm like,351.5042 
436 351.6068Yo.351.8539 
438 352.1104But pro-black doesn't353.0103 
440 353.2994equate to anti-white.354.3625 
442 354.9454Um,355.5562 
444 355.8582and I think a lot of super pro-black folk,357.7373 
446 358.3528um, looked at that like, oh no,360.6458 
448 360.9454we can't have white people361.8582 
450 362.1986infiltrating362.9213 
452 363.1918the- you know,364.3948 
454 364.5114the s- the drum circle.365.9336 
456 366.3998And it's like, well nah.367.2298 
458 367.3499If they are coming, and they are learning,369.5695 
460 370.3062um,370.8751 
462 370.9683and they-371.7097 
464 371.9522they don't like,372.6610 
466 372.7589go to their neighborhood and try to start a drum circle and be like, this is mine!375.9005 
468 376.1756Like don't conquistador the shit,377.5699 
470 377.9662like,378.2693 
472 378.6925fucking, you know, like, be a part.380.4037 
474 380.6789<laugh>381.1731 
476 381.5928Like381.8586 
478 381.9798you can still come here and like,383.7144 
480 384.1387learn more, and, you know, buy a djembe. And like, you know,386.8933 
482 387.1545get hip.387.5182 
484 388.5627<ts>388.6606 
486 388.7492Um,389.4673 
488 390.3765but390.6237 
490 390.8522I started to see a lot of us stop coming393.1032 
492 393.7653and just feel like,394.6140 
494 395.0103well,395.3647 
496 395.4766the white people started coming, so I'm not gonna come anymore.397.5982 
498 398.0167And398.5669 
500 398.7395that's ass backwards. Like,400.2549 
501DCB_int_01400.4321Mm.400.6606
502DCB_se2_ag3_m_02400.6419when you-401.2434
503 401.5419that's you giving402.5397
505 402.6843up403.0154 
507 403.3826your403.8442 
509 404.0820territory404.8747 
511 405.2151because somebody else showed406.7492 
513 406.8658interest in what you're already doing.408.7309 
515 409.3091<ts>409.3791 
517 409.4537Um,410.1240 
519 411.6254yeah. Like, that's just so backwards to me.413.7517 
521 414.1154And so,414.7729 
523 415.3511um,415.6868 
525 415.8022and I've always looked at it like,417.0332 
527 417.5182the assimilation versus integration.419.5419 
529 419.9289Um, a lot of folks420.8288 
531 420.9734say421.5085 
533 421.6111like, integration was the worst thing that could have happened to the black community,424.4694 
535 424.8051uh, in the US.425.6584 
537 426.0361And I think differently.427.3045 
539 427.6717Um,427.9981 
541 428.0960I think428.5949 
543 429.3969the fact that we stopped supporting black businesses431.8590 
545 431.9522once we w- started being able to buy at white ones434.4597 
547 434.8794was the worst thing that happened.436.1104 
549 436.5394Um,436.9637 
551 437.3041it wasn't437.7890 
553 437.9289integration that439.0200 
555 439.8675caused us to fail,440.8747 
557 441.2291I think it was folks being442.9543 
559 443.9895adamant about assimilating.445.5924 
561 446.1706Um,446.8747 
563 448.4461and I understand code switching,449.8310 
565 450.3672but450.6143 
567 450.9221code switching451.6857 
569 451.8302means you452.6182 
571 452.7162hold on to elements of your culture.454.5627 
573 455.0989Um,455.7284 
575 456.8708then again,457.3837 
577 457.7369black in America,458.5063 
579 459.0053culture,459.4203 
581 460.3249big disconnect too.461.1455 
583 461.4440That's a whole nother conversation,463.1552 
585 463.6029um, cause464.6928 
587 465.4949if you are466.1617 
589 466.6046African American467.8729 
591 468.0408in the US,468.8615 
593 469.3173um, but you can't470.0540 
595 470.1893point to a African nation472.0078 
597 472.5580or a tribe473.6724 
599 473.7843or like474.5584 
601 474.6330a crew even,475.5702 
603 475.9608um, how connected to Africa are you?477.9798 
605 478.5067Um,479.0616 
607 479.6631and480.0361 
609 480.4325when you start to look at that481.5609 
611 481.8722disconnect,482.4224 
613 482.8887then483.4109 
615 483.6954you get483.9938 
617 484.2129blacks in America485.2434 
619 485.5512who486.0734 
621 486.8988their real history- our real history,489.0939 
623 489.2990and I recognize myself as a black in America-491.2947 
625 491.6165I'm African American,492.5724 
627 492.7775but492.8848 
629 493.1459yeah.493.4303 
631 493.8582Um,494.3525 
633 494.6136our-494.9680 
635 495.6814it's fucked up, but our496.9730 
637 497.2434first known498.3439 
639 498.7822bits of history that we can point at and say501.3690 
641 501.7467that501.9472 
643 502.0497was part of my family is slavery.503.8963 
645 504.1993When you start with struggle,505.3231 
647 506.0354you're506.1473 
649 506.2778always gonna be repeating it507.4156 
651 507.7000or508.0404 
653 508.2922thinking that struggle509.1828 
655 509.2901is509.8216 
657 509.9755your /barometer/ for, uh, success,512.2918 
659 513.4949so.513.8119 
660DCB_int_01515.3414Do you [think] there are516.7542
661DCB_se2_ag3_m_02515.5838[<sigh>]515.8729
662DCB_int_01517.3837things that are unique to DC?518.9167
663DCB_se2_ag3_m_02519.4529<ts>519.5368
665 520.5860Yes. Well,521.2994 
667 521.6258outside of go go,522.5817 
669 522.7542yes, still.523.6915 
671 523.7836Cause like,524.2312 
673 524.4271go go is like a DC thing,526.1990 
675 526.6513but527.0056 
677 528.8055like,529.4117 
679 530.4131there's just a certain531.4529 
681 531.6721swag or-533.0336 
683 533.6724<ts>533.8310 
685 534.0548and it's not even like style, it's just a vibe. Like-536.8187 
687 537.3830like I could be-538.3901 
689 538.9590<ts>538.9963 
691 539.0896I could be in Philly,539.9802 
693 540.6936and somebody541.4070 
695 541.5271that's been living in DC for more than seven years walk in the room, and I'm like,545.4999 
697 545.8263that's a DC cat.546.6470 
699 547.1552Um, it's a certain547.9514 
701 548.0913aura.548.5017 
703 548.9307Um,549.6534 
705 550.2083and back in the nineties,551.5139 
707 551.8823like-552.3346 
709 552.8475like folks from New York and Philly and down South,556.3528 
711 556.6979they knew like, DC cats558.4325 
713 559.1879were a different breed.560.4177 
715 560.8607Um, we weren't561.5835 
717 561.7187pressed to like, follow their styles, and we had our own clothing lines like,565.7230 
719 566.2079/Shooters/ and HOBO and568.5720 
721 569.0243um,569.7004 
723 569.8590<ts>570.7589 
725 571.1086man, um,572.1566 
727 572.5576dang.573.1778 
729 573.2990I'm'a feel bad for not remembering these jonts.575.6165 
731 576.3019Um,577.0900 
733 577.2065<ts>577.2765 
735 577.6996oh! /Solbiato/.578.8141 
737 578.9726<laugh>579.1871 
739 579.5415Like-580.0218 
741 580.4601like580.6792 
743 580.7678all-581.0429 
745 581.1828all of these like,582.0222 
747 582.2320things that were583.0340 
749 583.2287distinctively DC.584.7908 
751 585.1778Um, and cats were like,586.4181 
753 586.7072rocking slouch socks587.8916 
755 588.3579versus like, the ankle socks.589.9048 
757 590.1706That was a Baltimore thing.591.2198 
759 591.7560We were always talking about how like, everybody else was a bama.594.6228 
761 594.8895We came up with bamas!596.1333 
763 596.5856Everybody else wanna claim it.597.8026 
765 598.0124I was mad as a mug at Talib Kweli when he said,600.4372 
767 600.8848<ts>600.9361 
769 601.0060um,601.6029 
771 601.7043that New York started calling people bamas. I was like, that's not true.604.3295 
773 604.9730Um,605.4719 
775 606.7775DC started calling people bamas,608.4364 
777 608.6229uh,609.0845 
779 609.1824saying that609.7047 
781 609.8166they-610.0497 
783 610.3528they-610.5953 
785 610.7119they dressed poorly,611.7284 
787 612.3812and so they were referred to as a bama614.1986 
789 614.7814cause they dressed like they were from Alabama.616.6653 
791 616.9404Like, it was- it was618.0128 
793 618.5491derogatory to folks from620.0913 
795 620.4037Alabama.620.8654 
797 621.1451But, uh,621.5415 
799 622.1337yeah, DC had a whole-623.3227 
801 623.7051had a whole different swag.625.3686 
803 625.8349And I think627.0053 
805 627.1498with627.6907 
807 628.1896the changing tide,629.4859 
809 629.7937some of that is being lost.631.3278 
811 631.6064Um,632.1753 
813 633.7746just cause634.5720 
815 634.8098folks don't know like, that history and that culture.637.4257 
817 637.9841Um,638.6229 
819 639.2850b- losing go go in the District- Cause now, for real,642.4325 
821 642.9454if you have a go go band playing in DC, the cops shut it down.646.2503 
823 646.6839Um, they really-647.7377 
825 648.3998most go go performances are happening in PG county now.651.2058 
827 651.7420Um, and you're starting to see some of that-653.2621 
829 653.9475you're starting to see a lot of the same things that were happening in DC now happening in PG.658.1337 
831 658.4181HIV infection rates are raising in-659.9289 
833 660.0781rising in PG.661.0527 
835 661.5096Um,662.1519 
837 663.1078<ts>663.1685 
839 663.2431A lot of the style and brands are moving out to PG.666.0035 
841 666.4418Um,667.1739 
843 667.9235<ts>667.9934 
845 668.3105go go bands are performing out in PG. Crime rates are rising671.4253 
847 671.5838in PG.672.1947 
849 672.7822Um,673.4443 
851 675.0146yeah.675.3177 
852DCB_int_01676.4135Do you like go go?677.1269
853DCB_se2_ag3_m_02677.8823I'm okay with it.678.6377
855 678.8195Um,679.4490 
857 679.6484my- my- my preferred go go681.6674 
859 681.8865is from the mid nineties.684.2506 
861 684.6610Um, like mid nineties go go.686.2126 
863 686.5017Like,686.7068 
865 686.8234everybody like Chuck.687.6114 
867 688.1570So like Chuck Brown, it- that- that doesn't count!690.4278 
869 690.7542Like- like-691.5003 
870DCB_int_01691.6542That's default.692.2778
871DCB_se2_ag3_m_02692.4271Yeah.692.7395
873 692.9633By default,693.7606 
875 694.0311I like Chuck Brown.694.9264 
877 695.3414Um, I don't have to like go go696.7542 
879 696.9034to like Chuck Brown.697.7836 
881 698.1846Um,698.7628 
883 699.3037but699.6114 
885 699.9938<ts>700.0917 
887 700.1990my favorite go go bands,701.8636 
889 703.5562like,703.8407 
891 704.1799you kind of-704.5996 
893 704.9167If- if you like go go,706.3528 
895 706.8937and th- a certain pocket,708.2553 
897 708.5910um, cause there's different types of go go.710.0727 
899 710.5063Um,711.1964 
901 711.7327I mess with like,712.4274 
903 712.5114the-712.9450 
905 713.6538they call it the skillet pocket.714.9780 
907 715.3604It's, um,716.0027 
909 716.2872<ts>716.3431 
911 716.5063the pocket717.0799 
913 717.3363of rhythm goes, uh,718.8424 
915 719.0942<performs beat>724.3342 
917 724.6792right? And there's variations on that.726.5351 
919 726.9361Um,727.6029 
921 728.7395and it's similar to the like,730.7865 
923 731.0336one two three four five732.1014 
925 732.2133six seven eight nine733.2019 
927 733.3371ten733.5691 
929 733.7603eleven twelve.734.7162 
931 735.0286Um,735.5928 
933 735.7280it all falls into this-737.2481 
935 738.0501<ts>738.2180 
937 738.3812it's not a one four,739.4164 
939 739.7463it's like a two four pocket,741.1032 
941 741.5881rhythm pocket.742.1756 
943 742.7538Um,743.4952 
945 744.9594and then,745.6961 
947 745.9235they746.0960 
949 746.2126cut746.4504 
951 746.5996that pocket in half and created bounce beat go-748.9124 
953 749.1036go go,749.5652 
955 749.9522which is like the popular go go that they listen to now.752.3804 
957 752.7301Where it's like,753.1125 
959 753.6721<performs beat>753.8679 
960 753.8679<performs beat><performs beat><performs beat><performs beat><performs beat>758.7721
962 759.0985and um,759.7420 
964 760.3855it's like,761.1315 
966 762.5257they took out the horn sections for a lot of go go now.764.9260 
968 765.3837And765.9526 
970 766.1717the way766.8572 
972 766.9831I heard somebody explain it768.3073 
974 768.9042is769.7109 
976 770.9314<ts> um,771.6541 
978 772.0691go go772.8572 
980 773.3841was always a really aggressive music,775.7004 
982 776.3532um,777.0526 
984 777.4816and so778.1857 
986 778.5401the horns and the string section780.1115 
988 780.4938were used to balance out the aggression of783.2018 
990 783.3464the-783.7194 
992 783.8873the percussion.784.8245 
994 785.2582And so785.8644 
996 786.2374you-786.6104 
998 786.6943you rise up,787.6875 
1000 788.0408and then you mellow out.789.0806 
1002 789.7800Um, and it created a balance like a ying yang792.2281 
1004 792.3913in music.793.0720 
1006 793.6316Um,794.2693 
1008 794.4558when you take out the horn section,795.8500 
1010 796.5214um,797.2302 
1012 797.4587you get s-797.9203 
1014 798.2094straight aggression (clapping),799.5104 
1016 799.9941and it's800.8241 
1018 800.9967all just801.5562 
1020 802.1064like802.3069 
1022 802.9597bah! And it riles you up,804.1535 
1024 804.3353but it never brings you back down.805.8554 
1026 806.3952And so807.0433 
1028 807.9106um,808.4562 
1030 808.6287when that happened,809.4400 
1032 809.7105like,810.0509 
1034 810.2887you could see like,811.2586 
1036 811.3926correlation in812.7449 
1038 813.1459uh youth813.8593 
1040 814.0551gang violence815.1323 
1042 815.3374and815.9576 
1044 816.2607the-816.7177 
1046 817.5838the818.3205 
1048 819.3044uh,819.8500 
1050 820.0551mis- the lack of horn sections in go go music.823.0301 
1052 823.2061Like,823.4253 
1054 823.5232for DC,824.1667 
1056 824.5863<ts>824.6563 
1058 824.7122it was like taking away-826.1298 
1060 826.9085it was like taking away828.1115 
1062 828.6932a white person's yoga mat.829.8543 
1064 830.4185Like (laughing), they're just like,831.5795 
1066 832.2790no- no outlet.833.3841 
1068 834.2747Like the outlet is there,835.6186 
1070 835.7004but there's no like836.6982 
1072 836.7962chill.837.1739 
1074 837.7567And so838.1764 
1076 838.5121yeah.838.7453 
1078 839.9902Um,840.5778 
1080 841.7657<ts>841.8170 
1082 841.9102so yeah.842.2972 
1084 842.3812I still like go go.843.4396 
1086 843.8546Um,844.2790 
1088 844.3909I don't go to go gos often.845.7151 
1090 846.4985Um, I saw Trouble Funk play,848.3112 
1092 848.5024uh, over at F- on Fourth of July,850.6660 
1094 851.2209but that was a rock concert too,852.6804 
1096 852.9228so.853.2213 
1098 854.4418Yeah.854.6936 
1099DCB_int_01855.0246What's your- um,855.9619
1101 856.0831what about mumbo sauce?857.1649 
1102DCB_se2_ag3_m_02857.3281<ts>857.4260
1104 857.6918I like Mumbo Sauce.858.6011 
1106 858.7503Oh you mean the food?859.6304 
1108 859.7284Or the band?860.2972 
1110 860.4931Cause it's [two.]860.9687 
1111DCB_int_01860.7915[Both.]861.1459
1112DCB_se2_ag3_m_02861.5329Okay.861.8267
1114 862.1671I mess with the band.863.0623 
1116 863.3421Um, that Welcome to DC song though, I wasn't a huge fan of cause it was- it was just like so <imitates music>869.6137 
1118 870.0515but-870.2193 
1120 870.6541<ts>870.7427 
1122 870.9153uh,871.4748 
1124 871.6427but871.8851 
1126 871.9831I like the band overall. Like, I like s-874.0441 
1128 874.2026their other music.874.8507 
1130 875.3625Um,876.0340 
1132 876.7940and then877.0785 
1134 877.1624I love877.9318 
1136 878.1183mumbo sauce, like879.2793 
1138 879.3819the actual sauce880.2632 
1140 880.3378is fucking great.881.2413 
1142 881.6703Um (laughing),882.4163 
1144 882.8919it's like,883.3722 
1146 884.3701the best condiment ever.885.6197 
1148 886.0394Um,886.6164 
1150 886.7097and I- uh,887.6236 
1152 888.6961I wanted to write a blog890.4167 
1154 890.8783where I- uh,892.2819 
1156 893.3066I did the best mumbo sauce894.9339 
1158 895.1810throughout the District895.9644 
1160 896.5240in like,897.0509 
1162 897.1441carryouts, like, the best carryout mumbo sauce.899.5117 
1164 900.0899Cause I still say to this day,902.0483 
1166 902.4540Good Hope Carryout903.4239 
1168 903.7456on Good Hope Road has the best mumbo sauce in the city.906.5003 
1170 907.0738Um, I still907.8525 
1172 908.4214believe that strong.909.3446 
1174 910.9662Yeah.911.3066 
1175DCB_int_01911.9127[What is mumbo] sauce?913.1344
1176DCB_se2_ag3_m_02911.9221[<laugh>]912.5282
1177 913.4981Um,913.9691
1179 914.1649so914.7524 
1181 914.9250the915.1441 
1183 915.2933actual sauce916.8729 
1185 917.4091is just sweet and sour919.8059 
1187 920.2255um, what is it? Sweet and sour,922.0487 
1189 922.1513salt,922.6129 
1191 922.9149ketchup,923.4278 
1193 924.0200<ts>924.0713 
1195 924.1226um,924.6262 
1197 924.7754and like a bit of hot sauce926.9623 
1199 927.1908and some barbecue.928.0161 
1201 928.6689But928.9614 
1203 929.1434depending on where you go,930.3091 
1205 930.6262it's a different931.3722 
1207 931.4748consistency,932.5006 
1209 932.6172and it's a different- um,934.0068 
1211 934.6631<ts>934.7330 
1213 934.8263like,935.2086 
1215 936.0153low key, like a different make up.937.5261 
1217 937.6660So like, some will have like, a honey mustard base.940.2073 
1219 940.5605Some will have- like it depends on what you base it out of.943.0178 
1221 943.3303But that's really like the make up944.8177 
1223 944.8923of945.4752 
1225 945.6804uh, uh, uh, mumbo sauce.947.0035 
1227 947.4698Um, s- if you like it948.4863 
1229 948.7148more tangy,949.4328 
1231 949.7872then950.3654 
1233 950.4494folks ha- end up having more like, sweet and sour in the sauce.953.1014 
1235 953.6003Um,954.0899 
1237 954.7707and like, there's your955.8665 
1239 956.3794deep red mumbo sauce where you can tell there's like, more ketchup involved.960.4676 
1241 960.9153And it's like a-962.1090 
1243 963.5405<ts>963.6337 
1245 963.8016it's usually like,964.5477 
1247 964.8309a little bit heavier in consistency.966.5189 
1249 967.1158Um, then there's like- I don't like968.6032 
1251 968.7151the-968.9017 
1253 969.0042the light mumbo sauce where it's like you can kind of see through it?971.8568 
1255 972.2065<ts>972.3044 
1257 972.4769Naw, like, that's not the good mumbo sauce (laughing).974.7385 
1258DCB_int_01975.4408[<laugh>]977.7234
1259DCB_se2_ag3_m_02975.4519[Like that's real.976.1140
1261 976.2446It's like976.5803 
1263 976.8403you ain't- you ain't messing with] that. That's not978.3137 
1264 978.5189my preferred.979.2790
1265DCB_int_01979.6380Okay we're gonna do the la-980.6778
1267 980.9110I could talk to you all night,981.8949 
1269 982.0394but I [know]982.5523 
1270DCB_se2_ag3_m_02982.2446[Yo.]982.5383
1271 982.8076[I mean- and-]983.2739
1272DCB_int_01982.8123[you have to get-]983.6516
1273DCB_se2_ag3_m_02983.4791[and i-] if at any point you wanna like,985.0505
1274 985.1717do another session, like I got986.7524
1276 987.0229st- <laugh> [apparently I've] got stories for [days.]989.8754 
1277DCB_int_01988.1560[You're-]988.4404
1279 989.4045[you do.] They're great.990.8826 
1280 991.1344I wanna do two more things if you have993.2840
1281DCB_se2_ag3_m_02994.0021[Mm-hm.]994.2492
1282DCB_int_01994.1560[um],994.4451
1283 994.6444[a couple] more [minutes.]995.9594
1284DCB_se2_ag3_m_02994.7610[I got-]995.0874
1286 995.7216[I got] time. And I wanna- I wanna find that poem and share that other poem with you too.999.4189 
1287DCB_int_01999.6058The one about gentrification?1000.8368
1288DCB_se2_ag3_m_021000.8309Yeah.1001.2646
1289DCB_int_011001.2693Oh I would love that.1002.2158