Line | Speaker | St Time | Content | En Time |
1 | DCB_int_01 | 0.3579 | Okay, I'm- I know we | 1.6215 |
3 | | 1.7416 | been talking a long time, but I [have a couple-] | 3.5508 |
4 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 2.8234 | [We good.] | 3.2664 |
5 | DCB_int_01 | 3.6767 | a couple other things. | 5.1036 |
7 | | 5.9942 | Um, | 6.5537 |
9 | | 6.9676 | kind of go back to | 8.1893 |
11 | | 8.3058 | thinking about | 8.9120 |
13 | | 9.5881 | DC and your experience in DC and- and growing up. | 13.0573 |
15 | | 14.3012 | How do you see the city | 15.6254 |
17 | | 15.8306 | and how- how it's changed? How do you feel about the change? | 19.1226 |
18 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 19.5131 | Mm. | 19.9281 |
20 | | 20.8654 | It's interesting. | 21.7653 |
22 | | 21.9145 | Um, | 22.6513 |
24 | | 23.1688 | l- I've used that word a lot, | 24.6843 |
26 | | 25.0340 | <ts> uh, | 25.6775 |
28 | | 25.8255 | during this | 26.4504 |
30 | | 26.9446 | interview | 27.4109 |
32 | | 27.6441 | m- | 27.8259 |
34 | | 27.9751 | session, | 28.3995 |
36 | | 28.9823 | but | 29.2108 |
38 | | 29.4533 | it's true. | 30.0874 |
40 | | 30.6330 | Um, | 31.2298 |
42 | | 32.8840 | I remember | 33.8492 |
43 | | 33.8492 | when they first shut down that neighborhood | 36.4138 |
45 | | 36.9081 | where- | 37.4956 |
47 | | 37.7183 | <ts> Um, | 38.0820 |
49 | | 39.7373 | there are a bunch of stories that I left out. | 41.3600 |
51 | | 41.4766 | Um, there was a time that I walked through this particular neighborhood, | 44.7535 |
53 | | 45.2944 | and, uh, | 46.0358 |
55 | | 46.5114 | I was carrying pizza with my family. | 48.6423 |
57 | | 49.1075 | Um, | 49.8722 |
59 | | 51.3830 | and- | 52.2223 |
61 | | 53.7051 | oh wait, I was carrying pizza for my family. I was walking by myself. I was maybe | 57.0146 |
63 | | 57.5182 | twelve. | 58.1057 |
65 | | 58.5487 | Um, | 59.2061 |
67 | | 59.4906 | and | 59.9755 |
69 | | 60.9547 | I was holding onto the pizzas, | 62.2918 |
71 | | 62.4410 | and two dudes walked by. | 63.7000 |
73 | | 64.2503 | And they like, faked like they were gonna try to snatch my pizza. | 66.4651 |
75 | | 66.8335 | But I had a tight grip! | 67.5562 |
77 | | 68.3385 | And then somebody across the street yelled, hey you better run, | 71.0569 |
79 | | 71.5046 | and then like, | 72.2646 |
81 | | 72.6656 | he- uh, I looked back, and they were starting to chase me. | 75.1218 |
83 | | 75.4203 | Um, | 76.0031 |
85 | | 76.3155 | and so I ran, | 77.1362 |
87 | | 77.6118 | <ts> | 77.6818 |
89 | | 77.7470 | um, and I was just like, I never wanna walk down this street again. | 79.9748 |
91 | | 80.2732 | Dang. | 80.5436 |
93 | | 80.8234 | Can't even carry food to my family. Blah blah blah blah. | 82.8051 |
95 | | 83.2854 | Um, | 83.6305 |
97 | | 83.7517 | and then | 84.5071 |
99 | | 84.6983 | like two years later, | 85.6775 |
101 | | 85.9794 | that whole neighborhood got shut down. | 87.3596 |
103 | | 88.0264 | And | 88.5394 |
105 | | 88.6979 | I thought to myself, | 89.5186 |
107 | | 89.6351 | Word. | 89.9942 |
109 | | 90.1854 | That's what's up. | 90.7542 |
111 | | 91.2707 | Like, | 91.4945 |
113 | | 92.0167 | shut all that shit down, | 93.1405 |
115 | | 93.3317 | I'll never have to deal with it anymore. /But you know./ | 95.3274 |
117 | | 95.8729 | Um, | 96.5724 |
119 | | 98.0121 | but | 98.2266 |
121 | | 98.3058 | now, | 99.1964 |
123 | | 100.4974 | I can see that that was the beginning | 102.5351 |
125 | | 103.0713 | of like | 103.8267 |
127 | | 104.7301 | the redistribution | 106.0637 |
129 | | 106.1710 | of | 106.8564 |
131 | | 107.7750 | m- | 107.8869 |
133 | | 108.2600 | members of | 108.8195 |
135 | | 109.1354 | DC. Like- like DC's, uh, | 111.2058 |
137 | | 111.6767 | black community. | 112.5533 |
139 | | 113.2808 | Um, | 113.9802 |
141 | | 115.6670 | and while- | 116.4364 |
143 | | 117.4482 | Damn I got a piece for this too. | 118.9870 |
145 | | 119.5419 | Um, | 120.0874 |
147 | | 120.2227 | I got a piece that speaks directly to | 122.0306 |
149 | | 122.6649 | gentrification and | 124.4834 |
151 | | 124.6979 | what DC | 125.5186 |
153 | | 125.6538 | looks like. | 126.1434 |
155 | | 126.6237 | Um, | 127.2905 |
157 | | 128.9073 | <ts> | 128.9726 |
159 | | 130.3622 | it's a double edged sword. | 131.8077 |
161 | | 133.3930 | Part of me feels like | 134.6882 |
163 | | 135.4576 | if | 135.9145 |
165 | | 136.8378 | we | 137.6771 |
167 | | 137.9429 | knew the value of the land that we are | 140.3664 |
169 | | 140.4923 | currently residing on, | 142.0871 |
171 | | 142.7632 | then we wouldn't litter in the communities that we're already in, | 146.6509 |
173 | | 146.9260 | bringing down the property value to a certain point. | 149.7004 |
175 | | 150.3019 | Um, | 150.8522 |
177 | | 151.0608 | which then allows for | 153.0845 |
179 | | 153.2477 | others to move into the communities, | 155.3880 |
181 | | 155.9802 | and then, | 157.0247 |
183 | | 157.4257 | <ts> | 157.4770 |
185 | | 157.5329 | uh, for | 158.6882 |
187 | | 159.0799 | houses to get boarded up, | 160.5487 |
189 | | 160.7725 | and then | 161.3927 |
191 | | 162.0874 | uh, businesses to no longer want to come | 164.3245 |
193 | | 164.4597 | into the community. | 165.4063 |
195 | | 166.0404 | Then, | 166.7632 |
197 | | 167.5652 | you know, | 168.0968 |
199 | | 169.0993 | things can get | 169.7521 |
201 | | 170.5623 | boarded up. Like the old businesses get boarded up, | 173.0709 |
203 | | 173.1642 | and then | 173.6678 |
205 | | 173.8823 | a large business that doesn't | 175.5516 |
207 | | 175.6996 | care about the community, | 176.8187 |
209 | | 176.9400 | like say a Walmart | 178.0124 |
211 | | 178.5487 | can move in, | 179.3927 |
213 | | 179.8077 | <ts> | 179.8729 |
215 | | 179.9475 | um, | 180.4511 |
217 | | 180.5957 | which then rises the property- | 182.1100 |
219 | | 182.3991 | raises the property value | 183.8166 |
221 | | 184.5720 | to a point beyond where the folks who are residing there | 187.1319 |
223 | | 187.8302 | can | 188.1799 |
225 | | 188.4084 | continue to afford. | 189.5601 |
227 | | 190.4041 | Um, | 190.8844 |
229 | | 191.0523 | so it's a cycle. | 191.9382 |
231 | | 192.2040 | Like | 192.5351 |
233 | | 193.0014 | if we would | 193.6484 |
235 | | 194.2312 | take care of our communities first, | 196.3715 |
237 | | 198.0128 | then the property values wouldn't | 199.4490 |
239 | | 199.6344 | lower, | 200.3851 |
241 | | 200.5669 | wouldn't be lowered | 201.3596 |
243 | | 201.9938 | to a point | 202.6093 |
245 | | 202.8331 | where | 203.4906 |
247 | | 204.4465 | a business like a Walmart | 205.8116 |
249 | | 205.8862 | would be able to buy for cheap | 207.3923 |
251 | | 208.0544 | and then raise the values even higher than they already are. | 211.1739 |
253 | | 211.8628 | Um, | 212.5716 |
255 | | 214.8378 | yeah. | 215.3041 |
257 | | 216.6470 | Yeah. | 217.0293 |
259 | | 217.2438 | Cause like, | 217.7055 |
261 | | 218.4317 | Walmart wouldn't be able to afford to put | 220.9730 |
263 | | 221.7004 | a Walmart | 222.3579 |
265 | | 222.5304 | in Tenleytown. | 223.6635 |
267 | | 224.5063 | But they can afford to put | 225.7094 |
269 | | 226.3762 | two | 226.8285 |
271 | | 227.2341 | in Anacostia, | 228.2833 |
273 | | 229.0247 | you know? | 229.4164 |
275 | | 229.4991 | Or east of the river. | 230.5809 |
277 | | 231.2897 | So | 231.9891 |
279 | | 233.9009 | it's interest- | 234.7029 |
281 | | 234.7775 | Like- | 235.0387 |
283 | | 235.4117 | like- | 235.7148 |
285 | | 237.4622 | and I'm not saying that it's our fault | 239.1082 |
287 | | 240.3486 | because if crack | 241.7707 |
289 | | 242.0540 | and heroin never hit the community- | 244.2922 |
291 | | 244.5906 | community, | 245.2061 |
293 | | 245.5046 | then | 246.0781 |
295 | | 246.2320 | folks might have | 246.9454 |
297 | | 247.3278 | been able to keep up | 248.5483 |
299 | | 248.7861 | their | 249.3177 |
301 | | 249.5275 | stuff back in the seventies and eighties. | 251.4067 |
303 | | 252.0501 | And | 252.8988 |
305 | | 253.6344 | if we had | 254.4690 |
307 | | 255.1824 | better education in our community, | 257.1828 |
309 | | 257.6771 | then we would realize that | 259.3511 |
311 | | 260.1893 | this- uh, | 261.0099 |
313 | | 262.0637 | that | 262.3575 |
315 | | 262.6093 | the- | 263.0056 |
317 | | 263.1176 | that throwing trash down in your neighborhood | 265.8022 |
319 | | 266.1753 | is a direct- | 266.9633 |
321 | | 267.4342 | is in direct correlation to | 269.6864 |
323 | | 269.9009 | asthma rates | 270.8242 |
325 | | 271.1925 | and- uh, and the roaches in the neighborhood and the rodents in the neighborhood, | 274.7492 |
327 | | 275.0756 | um, which contribute to, | 276.5211 |
329 | | 276.9361 | uh, | 277.4257 |
331 | | 277.5504 | asthma infections for youth, | 279.4063 |
333 | | 279.5368 | and children. | 280.1617 |
335 | | 280.6186 | Um, | 281.3274 |
337 | | 282.0968 | <ts> I just- it's- | 282.8603 |
339 | | 284.3245 | it's a system, | 285.0192 |
341 | | 285.8865 | and | 286.8797 |
343 | | 287.9382 | while I'm happy for a safer DC, | 290.4830 |
345 | | 291.2011 | I am sad | 292.1197 |
347 | | 292.2596 | that | 292.5067 |
349 | | 292.8984 | we can- | 293.5279 |
351 | | 293.9242 | we feel like we're not supposed to be a part of it. | 296.0540 |
353 | | 296.7348 | <ts> Um, | 297.2897 |
355 | | 297.6394 | prime example | 298.4601 |
357 | | 299.0103 | is, uh, the drum circle at Malcolm X Park, | 301.4210 |
358 | DCB_int_01 | 301.5702 | [/Mm./] | 301.8687 |
359 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 301.6075 | [right?] | 301.8360 |
360 | | 302.3105 | So | 302.6089 |
362 | | 302.7255 | I love drum circle. | 304.1523 |
364 | | 304.5580 | And I've been going to drum circle for like, | 306.3206 |
366 | | 306.5164 | seven, | 307.2671 |
368 | | 307.3966 | eight years now. | 308.2778 |
370 | | 308.8747 | And | 309.5135 |
372 | | 309.6767 | I remember a time | 310.8285 |
374 | | 310.9917 | when it was | 311.4206 |
376 | | 311.5792 | all black, | 312.3486 |
378 | | 312.7775 | <laugh> | 312.9780 |
380 | | 313.3826 | and it was like, | 313.9375 |
382 | | 314.4550 | white folk | 314.9027 |
384 | | 315.2477 | didn't even know it was a thing. | 316.5953 |
386 | | 316.6746 | Like a lot of us didn't know it was a thing, | 318.5584 |
388 | | 318.9081 | but the folks who knew, | 319.8069 |
390 | | 320.0494 | they knew. | 320.4690 |
392 | | 321.0705 | And so- | 321.8166 |
394 | | 322.5347 | um, | 323.4113 |
396 | | 325.0107 | <ts> | 325.1039 |
398 | | 325.3418 | and so | 325.8022 |
400 | | 325.8955 | a few years ago, | 326.9913 |
402 | | 327.3317 | more white folks started coming. | 328.5580 |
404 | | 329.0243 | And I'm like, | 329.4766 |
406 | | 329.5932 | that's cool. | 330.1714 |
408 | | 330.2786 | That's alright. | 330.7869 |
410 | | 331.0014 | Whatev. | 331.4525 |
412 | | 331.5691 | Like, be a part of it. | 332.6835 |
414 | | 333.1312 | Um, | 333.7606 |
416 | | 334.9917 | like, | 335.3600 |
418 | | 336.7915 | the- | 337.0433 |
420 | | 337.6717 | I look at- | 338.4037 |
422 | | 339.9565 | <ts> | 340.0917 |
424 | | 340.4554 | I think there's a difference between | 342.1247 |
426 | | 342.7029 | integration and assimilation. | 344.8336 |
428 | | 345.6767 | And so a lot of | 347.1642 |
430 | | 347.3833 | super pro-black folk- | 348.9034 |
432 | | 349.5003 | and | 349.6903 |
434 | | 349.8442 | I'm pro-black too. Like, I'm like, | 351.5042 |
436 | | 351.6068 | Yo. | 351.8539 |
438 | | 352.1104 | But pro-black doesn't | 353.0103 |
440 | | 353.2994 | equate to anti-white. | 354.3625 |
442 | | 354.9454 | Um, | 355.5562 |
444 | | 355.8582 | and I think a lot of super pro-black folk, | 357.7373 |
446 | | 358.3528 | um, looked at that like, oh no, | 360.6458 |
448 | | 360.9454 | we can't have white people | 361.8582 |
450 | | 362.1986 | infiltrating | 362.9213 |
452 | | 363.1918 | the- you know, | 364.3948 |
454 | | 364.5114 | the s- the drum circle. | 365.9336 |
456 | | 366.3998 | And it's like, well nah. | 367.2298 |
458 | | 367.3499 | If they are coming, and they are learning, | 369.5695 |
460 | | 370.3062 | um, | 370.8751 |
462 | | 370.9683 | and they- | 371.7097 |
464 | | 371.9522 | they don't like, | 372.6610 |
466 | | 372.7589 | go to their neighborhood and try to start a drum circle and be like, this is mine! | 375.9005 |
468 | | 376.1756 | Like don't conquistador the shit, | 377.5699 |
470 | | 377.9662 | like, | 378.2693 |
472 | | 378.6925 | fucking, you know, like, be a part. | 380.4037 |
474 | | 380.6789 | <laugh> | 381.1731 |
476 | | 381.5928 | Like | 381.8586 |
478 | | 381.9798 | you can still come here and like, | 383.7144 |
480 | | 384.1387 | learn more, and, you know, buy a djembe. And like, you know, | 386.8933 |
482 | | 387.1545 | get hip. | 387.5182 |
484 | | 388.5627 | <ts> | 388.6606 |
486 | | 388.7492 | Um, | 389.4673 |
488 | | 390.3765 | but | 390.6237 |
490 | | 390.8522 | I started to see a lot of us stop coming | 393.1032 |
492 | | 393.7653 | and just feel like, | 394.6140 |
494 | | 395.0103 | well, | 395.3647 |
496 | | 395.4766 | the white people started coming, so I'm not gonna come anymore. | 397.5982 |
498 | | 398.0167 | And | 398.5669 |
500 | | 398.7395 | that's ass backwards. Like, | 400.2549 |
501 | DCB_int_01 | 400.4321 | Mm. | 400.6606 |
502 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 400.6419 | when you- | 401.2434 |
503 | | 401.5419 | that's you giving | 402.5397 |
505 | | 402.6843 | up | 403.0154 |
507 | | 403.3826 | your | 403.8442 |
509 | | 404.0820 | territory | 404.8747 |
511 | | 405.2151 | because somebody else showed | 406.7492 |
513 | | 406.8658 | interest in what you're already doing. | 408.7309 |
515 | | 409.3091 | <ts> | 409.3791 |
517 | | 409.4537 | Um, | 410.1240 |
519 | | 411.6254 | yeah. Like, that's just so backwards to me. | 413.7517 |
521 | | 414.1154 | And so, | 414.7729 |
523 | | 415.3511 | um, | 415.6868 |
525 | | 415.8022 | and I've always looked at it like, | 417.0332 |
527 | | 417.5182 | the assimilation versus integration. | 419.5419 |
529 | | 419.9289 | Um, a lot of folks | 420.8288 |
531 | | 420.9734 | say | 421.5085 |
533 | | 421.6111 | like, integration was the worst thing that could have happened to the black community, | 424.4694 |
535 | | 424.8051 | uh, in the US. | 425.6584 |
537 | | 426.0361 | And I think differently. | 427.3045 |
539 | | 427.6717 | Um, | 427.9981 |
541 | | 428.0960 | I think | 428.5949 |
543 | | 429.3969 | the fact that we stopped supporting black businesses | 431.8590 |
545 | | 431.9522 | once we w- started being able to buy at white ones | 434.4597 |
547 | | 434.8794 | was the worst thing that happened. | 436.1104 |
549 | | 436.5394 | Um, | 436.9637 |
551 | | 437.3041 | it wasn't | 437.7890 |
553 | | 437.9289 | integration that | 439.0200 |
555 | | 439.8675 | caused us to fail, | 440.8747 |
557 | | 441.2291 | I think it was folks being | 442.9543 |
559 | | 443.9895 | adamant about assimilating. | 445.5924 |
561 | | 446.1706 | Um, | 446.8747 |
563 | | 448.4461 | and I understand code switching, | 449.8310 |
565 | | 450.3672 | but | 450.6143 |
567 | | 450.9221 | code switching | 451.6857 |
569 | | 451.8302 | means you | 452.6182 |
571 | | 452.7162 | hold on to elements of your culture. | 454.5627 |
573 | | 455.0989 | Um, | 455.7284 |
575 | | 456.8708 | then again, | 457.3837 |
577 | | 457.7369 | black in America, | 458.5063 |
579 | | 459.0053 | culture, | 459.4203 |
581 | | 460.3249 | big disconnect too. | 461.1455 |
583 | | 461.4440 | That's a whole nother conversation, | 463.1552 |
585 | | 463.6029 | um, cause | 464.6928 |
587 | | 465.4949 | if you are | 466.1617 |
589 | | 466.6046 | African American | 467.8729 |
591 | | 468.0408 | in the US, | 468.8615 |
593 | | 469.3173 | um, but you can't | 470.0540 |
595 | | 470.1893 | point to a African nation | 472.0078 |
597 | | 472.5580 | or a tribe | 473.6724 |
599 | | 473.7843 | or like | 474.5584 |
601 | | 474.6330 | a crew even, | 475.5702 |
603 | | 475.9608 | um, how connected to Africa are you? | 477.9798 |
605 | | 478.5067 | Um, | 479.0616 |
607 | | 479.6631 | and | 480.0361 |
609 | | 480.4325 | when you start to look at that | 481.5609 |
611 | | 481.8722 | disconnect, | 482.4224 |
613 | | 482.8887 | then | 483.4109 |
615 | | 483.6954 | you get | 483.9938 |
617 | | 484.2129 | blacks in America | 485.2434 |
619 | | 485.5512 | who | 486.0734 |
621 | | 486.8988 | their real history- our real history, | 489.0939 |
623 | | 489.2990 | and I recognize myself as a black in America- | 491.2947 |
625 | | 491.6165 | I'm African American, | 492.5724 |
627 | | 492.7775 | but | 492.8848 |
629 | | 493.1459 | yeah. | 493.4303 |
631 | | 493.8582 | Um, | 494.3525 |
633 | | 494.6136 | our- | 494.9680 |
635 | | 495.6814 | it's fucked up, but our | 496.9730 |
637 | | 497.2434 | first known | 498.3439 |
639 | | 498.7822 | bits of history that we can point at and say | 501.3690 |
641 | | 501.7467 | that | 501.9472 |
643 | | 502.0497 | was part of my family is slavery. | 503.8963 |
645 | | 504.1993 | When you start with struggle, | 505.3231 |
647 | | 506.0354 | you're | 506.1473 |
649 | | 506.2778 | always gonna be repeating it | 507.4156 |
651 | | 507.7000 | or | 508.0404 |
653 | | 508.2922 | thinking that struggle | 509.1828 |
655 | | 509.2901 | is | 509.8216 |
657 | | 509.9755 | your /barometer/ for, uh, success, | 512.2918 |
659 | | 513.4949 | so. | 513.8119 |
660 | DCB_int_01 | 515.3414 | Do you [think] there are | 516.7542 |
661 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 515.5838 | [<sigh>] | 515.8729 |
662 | DCB_int_01 | 517.3837 | things that are unique to DC? | 518.9167 |
663 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 519.4529 | <ts> | 519.5368 |
665 | | 520.5860 | Yes. Well, | 521.2994 |
667 | | 521.6258 | outside of go go, | 522.5817 |
669 | | 522.7542 | yes, still. | 523.6915 |
671 | | 523.7836 | Cause like, | 524.2312 |
673 | | 524.4271 | go go is like a DC thing, | 526.1990 |
675 | | 526.6513 | but | 527.0056 |
677 | | 528.8055 | like, | 529.4117 |
679 | | 530.4131 | there's just a certain | 531.4529 |
681 | | 531.6721 | swag or- | 533.0336 |
683 | | 533.6724 | <ts> | 533.8310 |
685 | | 534.0548 | and it's not even like style, it's just a vibe. Like- | 536.8187 |
687 | | 537.3830 | like I could be- | 538.3901 |
689 | | 538.9590 | <ts> | 538.9963 |
691 | | 539.0896 | I could be in Philly, | 539.9802 |
693 | | 540.6936 | and somebody | 541.4070 |
695 | | 541.5271 | that's been living in DC for more than seven years walk in the room, and I'm like, | 545.4999 |
697 | | 545.8263 | that's a DC cat. | 546.6470 |
699 | | 547.1552 | Um, it's a certain | 547.9514 |
701 | | 548.0913 | aura. | 548.5017 |
703 | | 548.9307 | Um, | 549.6534 |
705 | | 550.2083 | and back in the nineties, | 551.5139 |
707 | | 551.8823 | like- | 552.3346 |
709 | | 552.8475 | like folks from New York and Philly and down South, | 556.3528 |
711 | | 556.6979 | they knew like, DC cats | 558.4325 |
713 | | 559.1879 | were a different breed. | 560.4177 |
715 | | 560.8607 | Um, we weren't | 561.5835 |
717 | | 561.7187 | pressed to like, follow their styles, and we had our own clothing lines like, | 565.7230 |
719 | | 566.2079 | /Shooters/ and HOBO and | 568.5720 |
721 | | 569.0243 | um, | 569.7004 |
723 | | 569.8590 | <ts> | 570.7589 |
725 | | 571.1086 | man, um, | 572.1566 |
727 | | 572.5576 | dang. | 573.1778 |
729 | | 573.2990 | I'm'a feel bad for not remembering these jonts. | 575.6165 |
731 | | 576.3019 | Um, | 577.0900 |
733 | | 577.2065 | <ts> | 577.2765 |
735 | | 577.6996 | oh! /Solbiato/. | 578.8141 |
737 | | 578.9726 | <laugh> | 579.1871 |
739 | | 579.5415 | Like- | 580.0218 |
741 | | 580.4601 | like | 580.6792 |
743 | | 580.7678 | all- | 581.0429 |
745 | | 581.1828 | all of these like, | 582.0222 |
747 | | 582.2320 | things that were | 583.0340 |
749 | | 583.2287 | distinctively DC. | 584.7908 |
751 | | 585.1778 | Um, and cats were like, | 586.4181 |
753 | | 586.7072 | rocking slouch socks | 587.8916 |
755 | | 588.3579 | versus like, the ankle socks. | 589.9048 |
757 | | 590.1706 | That was a Baltimore thing. | 591.2198 |
759 | | 591.7560 | We were always talking about how like, everybody else was a bama. | 594.6228 |
761 | | 594.8895 | We came up with bamas! | 596.1333 |
763 | | 596.5856 | Everybody else wanna claim it. | 597.8026 |
765 | | 598.0124 | I was mad as a mug at Talib Kweli when he said, | 600.4372 |
767 | | 600.8848 | <ts> | 600.9361 |
769 | | 601.0060 | um, | 601.6029 |
771 | | 601.7043 | that New York started calling people bamas. I was like, that's not true. | 604.3295 |
773 | | 604.9730 | Um, | 605.4719 |
775 | | 606.7775 | DC started calling people bamas, | 608.4364 |
777 | | 608.6229 | uh, | 609.0845 |
779 | | 609.1824 | saying that | 609.7047 |
781 | | 609.8166 | they- | 610.0497 |
783 | | 610.3528 | they- | 610.5953 |
785 | | 610.7119 | they dressed poorly, | 611.7284 |
787 | | 612.3812 | and so they were referred to as a bama | 614.1986 |
789 | | 614.7814 | cause they dressed like they were from Alabama. | 616.6653 |
791 | | 616.9404 | Like, it was- it was | 618.0128 |
793 | | 618.5491 | derogatory to folks from | 620.0913 |
795 | | 620.4037 | Alabama. | 620.8654 |
797 | | 621.1451 | But, uh, | 621.5415 |
799 | | 622.1337 | yeah, DC had a whole- | 623.3227 |
801 | | 623.7051 | had a whole different swag. | 625.3686 |
803 | | 625.8349 | And I think | 627.0053 |
805 | | 627.1498 | with | 627.6907 |
807 | | 628.1896 | the changing tide, | 629.4859 |
809 | | 629.7937 | some of that is being lost. | 631.3278 |
811 | | 631.6064 | Um, | 632.1753 |
813 | | 633.7746 | just cause | 634.5720 |
815 | | 634.8098 | folks don't know like, that history and that culture. | 637.4257 |
817 | | 637.9841 | Um, | 638.6229 |
819 | | 639.2850 | b- losing go go in the District- Cause now, for real, | 642.4325 |
821 | | 642.9454 | if you have a go go band playing in DC, the cops shut it down. | 646.2503 |
823 | | 646.6839 | Um, they really- | 647.7377 |
825 | | 648.3998 | most go go performances are happening in PG county now. | 651.2058 |
827 | | 651.7420 | Um, and you're starting to see some of that- | 653.2621 |
829 | | 653.9475 | you're starting to see a lot of the same things that were happening in DC now happening in PG. | 658.1337 |
831 | | 658.4181 | HIV infection rates are raising in- | 659.9289 |
833 | | 660.0781 | rising in PG. | 661.0527 |
835 | | 661.5096 | Um, | 662.1519 |
837 | | 663.1078 | <ts> | 663.1685 |
839 | | 663.2431 | A lot of the style and brands are moving out to PG. | 666.0035 |
841 | | 666.4418 | Um, | 667.1739 |
843 | | 667.9235 | <ts> | 667.9934 |
845 | | 668.3105 | go go bands are performing out in PG. Crime rates are rising | 671.4253 |
847 | | 671.5838 | in PG. | 672.1947 |
849 | | 672.7822 | Um, | 673.4443 |
851 | | 675.0146 | yeah. | 675.3177 |
852 | DCB_int_01 | 676.4135 | Do you like go go? | 677.1269 |
853 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 677.8823 | I'm okay with it. | 678.6377 |
855 | | 678.8195 | Um, | 679.4490 |
857 | | 679.6484 | my- my- my preferred go go | 681.6674 |
859 | | 681.8865 | is from the mid nineties. | 684.2506 |
861 | | 684.6610 | Um, like mid nineties go go. | 686.2126 |
863 | | 686.5017 | Like, | 686.7068 |
865 | | 686.8234 | everybody like Chuck. | 687.6114 |
867 | | 688.1570 | So like Chuck Brown, it- that- that doesn't count! | 690.4278 |
869 | | 690.7542 | Like- like- | 691.5003 |
870 | DCB_int_01 | 691.6542 | That's default. | 692.2778 |
871 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 692.4271 | Yeah. | 692.7395 |
873 | | 692.9633 | By default, | 693.7606 |
875 | | 694.0311 | I like Chuck Brown. | 694.9264 |
877 | | 695.3414 | Um, I don't have to like go go | 696.7542 |
879 | | 696.9034 | to like Chuck Brown. | 697.7836 |
881 | | 698.1846 | Um, | 698.7628 |
883 | | 699.3037 | but | 699.6114 |
885 | | 699.9938 | <ts> | 700.0917 |
887 | | 700.1990 | my favorite go go bands, | 701.8636 |
889 | | 703.5562 | like, | 703.8407 |
891 | | 704.1799 | you kind of- | 704.5996 |
893 | | 704.9167 | If- if you like go go, | 706.3528 |
895 | | 706.8937 | and th- a certain pocket, | 708.2553 |
897 | | 708.5910 | um, cause there's different types of go go. | 710.0727 |
899 | | 710.5063 | Um, | 711.1964 |
901 | | 711.7327 | I mess with like, | 712.4274 |
903 | | 712.5114 | the- | 712.9450 |
905 | | 713.6538 | they call it the skillet pocket. | 714.9780 |
907 | | 715.3604 | It's, um, | 716.0027 |
909 | | 716.2872 | <ts> | 716.3431 |
911 | | 716.5063 | the pocket | 717.0799 |
913 | | 717.3363 | of rhythm goes, uh, | 718.8424 |
915 | | 719.0942 | <performs beat> | 724.3342 |
917 | | 724.6792 | right? And there's variations on that. | 726.5351 |
919 | | 726.9361 | Um, | 727.6029 |
921 | | 728.7395 | and it's similar to the like, | 730.7865 |
923 | | 731.0336 | one two three four five | 732.1014 |
925 | | 732.2133 | six seven eight nine | 733.2019 |
927 | | 733.3371 | ten | 733.5691 |
929 | | 733.7603 | eleven twelve. | 734.7162 |
931 | | 735.0286 | Um, | 735.5928 |
933 | | 735.7280 | it all falls into this- | 737.2481 |
935 | | 738.0501 | <ts> | 738.2180 |
937 | | 738.3812 | it's not a one four, | 739.4164 |
939 | | 739.7463 | it's like a two four pocket, | 741.1032 |
941 | | 741.5881 | rhythm pocket. | 742.1756 |
943 | | 742.7538 | Um, | 743.4952 |
945 | | 744.9594 | and then, | 745.6961 |
947 | | 745.9235 | they | 746.0960 |
949 | | 746.2126 | cut | 746.4504 |
951 | | 746.5996 | that pocket in half and created bounce beat go- | 748.9124 |
953 | | 749.1036 | go go, | 749.5652 |
955 | | 749.9522 | which is like the popular go go that they listen to now. | 752.3804 |
957 | | 752.7301 | Where it's like, | 753.1125 |
959 | | 753.6721 | <performs beat> | 753.8679 |
960 | | 753.8679 | <performs beat><performs beat><performs beat><performs beat><performs beat> | 758.7721 |
962 | | 759.0985 | and um, | 759.7420 |
964 | | 760.3855 | it's like, | 761.1315 |
966 | | 762.5257 | they took out the horn sections for a lot of go go now. | 764.9260 |
968 | | 765.3837 | And | 765.9526 |
970 | | 766.1717 | the way | 766.8572 |
972 | | 766.9831 | I heard somebody explain it | 768.3073 |
974 | | 768.9042 | is | 769.7109 |
976 | | 770.9314 | <ts> um, | 771.6541 |
978 | | 772.0691 | go go | 772.8572 |
980 | | 773.3841 | was always a really aggressive music, | 775.7004 |
982 | | 776.3532 | um, | 777.0526 |
984 | | 777.4816 | and so | 778.1857 |
986 | | 778.5401 | the horns and the string section | 780.1115 |
988 | | 780.4938 | were used to balance out the aggression of | 783.2018 |
990 | | 783.3464 | the- | 783.7194 |
992 | | 783.8873 | the percussion. | 784.8245 |
994 | | 785.2582 | And so | 785.8644 |
996 | | 786.2374 | you- | 786.6104 |
998 | | 786.6943 | you rise up, | 787.6875 |
1000 | | 788.0408 | and then you mellow out. | 789.0806 |
1002 | | 789.7800 | Um, and it created a balance like a ying yang | 792.2281 |
1004 | | 792.3913 | in music. | 793.0720 |
1006 | | 793.6316 | Um, | 794.2693 |
1008 | | 794.4558 | when you take out the horn section, | 795.8500 |
1010 | | 796.5214 | um, | 797.2302 |
1012 | | 797.4587 | you get s- | 797.9203 |
1014 | | 798.2094 | straight aggression (clapping), | 799.5104 |
1016 | | 799.9941 | and it's | 800.8241 |
1018 | | 800.9967 | all just | 801.5562 |
1020 | | 802.1064 | like | 802.3069 |
1022 | | 802.9597 | bah! And it riles you up, | 804.1535 |
1024 | | 804.3353 | but it never brings you back down. | 805.8554 |
1026 | | 806.3952 | And so | 807.0433 |
1028 | | 807.9106 | um, | 808.4562 |
1030 | | 808.6287 | when that happened, | 809.4400 |
1032 | | 809.7105 | like, | 810.0509 |
1034 | | 810.2887 | you could see like, | 811.2586 |
1036 | | 811.3926 | correlation in | 812.7449 |
1038 | | 813.1459 | uh youth | 813.8593 |
1040 | | 814.0551 | gang violence | 815.1323 |
1042 | | 815.3374 | and | 815.9576 |
1044 | | 816.2607 | the- | 816.7177 |
1046 | | 817.5838 | the | 818.3205 |
1048 | | 819.3044 | uh, | 819.8500 |
1050 | | 820.0551 | mis- the lack of horn sections in go go music. | 823.0301 |
1052 | | 823.2061 | Like, | 823.4253 |
1054 | | 823.5232 | for DC, | 824.1667 |
1056 | | 824.5863 | <ts> | 824.6563 |
1058 | | 824.7122 | it was like taking away- | 826.1298 |
1060 | | 826.9085 | it was like taking away | 828.1115 |
1062 | | 828.6932 | a white person's yoga mat. | 829.8543 |
1064 | | 830.4185 | Like (laughing), they're just like, | 831.5795 |
1066 | | 832.2790 | no- no outlet. | 833.3841 |
1068 | | 834.2747 | Like the outlet is there, | 835.6186 |
1070 | | 835.7004 | but there's no like | 836.6982 |
1072 | | 836.7962 | chill. | 837.1739 |
1074 | | 837.7567 | And so | 838.1764 |
1076 | | 838.5121 | yeah. | 838.7453 |
1078 | | 839.9902 | Um, | 840.5778 |
1080 | | 841.7657 | <ts> | 841.8170 |
1082 | | 841.9102 | so yeah. | 842.2972 |
1084 | | 842.3812 | I still like go go. | 843.4396 |
1086 | | 843.8546 | Um, | 844.2790 |
1088 | | 844.3909 | I don't go to go gos often. | 845.7151 |
1090 | | 846.4985 | Um, I saw Trouble Funk play, | 848.3112 |
1092 | | 848.5024 | uh, over at F- on Fourth of July, | 850.6660 |
1094 | | 851.2209 | but that was a rock concert too, | 852.6804 |
1096 | | 852.9228 | so. | 853.2213 |
1098 | | 854.4418 | Yeah. | 854.6936 |
1099 | DCB_int_01 | 855.0246 | What's your- um, | 855.9619 |
1101 | | 856.0831 | what about mumbo sauce? | 857.1649 |
1102 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 857.3281 | <ts> | 857.4260 |
1104 | | 857.6918 | I like Mumbo Sauce. | 858.6011 |
1106 | | 858.7503 | Oh you mean the food? | 859.6304 |
1108 | | 859.7284 | Or the band? | 860.2972 |
1110 | | 860.4931 | Cause it's [two.] | 860.9687 |
1111 | DCB_int_01 | 860.7915 | [Both.] | 861.1459 |
1112 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 861.5329 | Okay. | 861.8267 |
1114 | | 862.1671 | I mess with the band. | 863.0623 |
1116 | | 863.3421 | Um, that Welcome to DC song though, I wasn't a huge fan of cause it was- it was just like so <imitates music> | 869.6137 |
1118 | | 870.0515 | but- | 870.2193 |
1120 | | 870.6541 | <ts> | 870.7427 |
1122 | | 870.9153 | uh, | 871.4748 |
1124 | | 871.6427 | but | 871.8851 |
1126 | | 871.9831 | I like the band overall. Like, I like s- | 874.0441 |
1128 | | 874.2026 | their other music. | 874.8507 |
1130 | | 875.3625 | Um, | 876.0340 |
1132 | | 876.7940 | and then | 877.0785 |
1134 | | 877.1624 | I love | 877.9318 |
1136 | | 878.1183 | mumbo sauce, like | 879.2793 |
1138 | | 879.3819 | the actual sauce | 880.2632 |
1140 | | 880.3378 | is fucking great. | 881.2413 |
1142 | | 881.6703 | Um (laughing), | 882.4163 |
1144 | | 882.8919 | it's like, | 883.3722 |
1146 | | 884.3701 | the best condiment ever. | 885.6197 |
1148 | | 886.0394 | Um, | 886.6164 |
1150 | | 886.7097 | and I- uh, | 887.6236 |
1152 | | 888.6961 | I wanted to write a blog | 890.4167 |
1154 | | 890.8783 | where I- uh, | 892.2819 |
1156 | | 893.3066 | I did the best mumbo sauce | 894.9339 |
1158 | | 895.1810 | throughout the District | 895.9644 |
1160 | | 896.5240 | in like, | 897.0509 |
1162 | | 897.1441 | carryouts, like, the best carryout mumbo sauce. | 899.5117 |
1164 | | 900.0899 | Cause I still say to this day, | 902.0483 |
1166 | | 902.4540 | Good Hope Carryout | 903.4239 |
1168 | | 903.7456 | on Good Hope Road has the best mumbo sauce in the city. | 906.5003 |
1170 | | 907.0738 | Um, I still | 907.8525 |
1172 | | 908.4214 | believe that strong. | 909.3446 |
1174 | | 910.9662 | Yeah. | 911.3066 |
1175 | DCB_int_01 | 911.9127 | [What is mumbo] sauce? | 913.1344 |
1176 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 911.9221 | [<laugh>] | 912.5282 |
1177 | | 913.4981 | Um, | 913.9691 |
1179 | | 914.1649 | so | 914.7524 |
1181 | | 914.9250 | the | 915.1441 |
1183 | | 915.2933 | actual sauce | 916.8729 |
1185 | | 917.4091 | is just sweet and sour | 919.8059 |
1187 | | 920.2255 | um, what is it? Sweet and sour, | 922.0487 |
1189 | | 922.1513 | salt, | 922.6129 |
1191 | | 922.9149 | ketchup, | 923.4278 |
1193 | | 924.0200 | <ts> | 924.0713 |
1195 | | 924.1226 | um, | 924.6262 |
1197 | | 924.7754 | and like a bit of hot sauce | 926.9623 |
1199 | | 927.1908 | and some barbecue. | 928.0161 |
1201 | | 928.6689 | But | 928.9614 |
1203 | | 929.1434 | depending on where you go, | 930.3091 |
1205 | | 930.6262 | it's a different | 931.3722 |
1207 | | 931.4748 | consistency, | 932.5006 |
1209 | | 932.6172 | and it's a different- um, | 934.0068 |
1211 | | 934.6631 | <ts> | 934.7330 |
1213 | | 934.8263 | like, | 935.2086 |
1215 | | 936.0153 | low key, like a different make up. | 937.5261 |
1217 | | 937.6660 | So like, some will have like, a honey mustard base. | 940.2073 |
1219 | | 940.5605 | Some will have- like it depends on what you base it out of. | 943.0178 |
1221 | | 943.3303 | But that's really like the make up | 944.8177 |
1223 | | 944.8923 | of | 945.4752 |
1225 | | 945.6804 | uh, uh, uh, mumbo sauce. | 947.0035 |
1227 | | 947.4698 | Um, s- if you like it | 948.4863 |
1229 | | 948.7148 | more tangy, | 949.4328 |
1231 | | 949.7872 | then | 950.3654 |
1233 | | 950.4494 | folks ha- end up having more like, sweet and sour in the sauce. | 953.1014 |
1235 | | 953.6003 | Um, | 954.0899 |
1237 | | 954.7707 | and like, there's your | 955.8665 |
1239 | | 956.3794 | deep red mumbo sauce where you can tell there's like, more ketchup involved. | 960.4676 |
1241 | | 960.9153 | And it's like a- | 962.1090 |
1243 | | 963.5405 | <ts> | 963.6337 |
1245 | | 963.8016 | it's usually like, | 964.5477 |
1247 | | 964.8309 | a little bit heavier in consistency. | 966.5189 |
1249 | | 967.1158 | Um, then there's like- I don't like | 968.6032 |
1251 | | 968.7151 | the- | 968.9017 |
1253 | | 969.0042 | the light mumbo sauce where it's like you can kind of see through it? | 971.8568 |
1255 | | 972.2065 | <ts> | 972.3044 |
1257 | | 972.4769 | Naw, like, that's not the good mumbo sauce (laughing). | 974.7385 |
1258 | DCB_int_01 | 975.4408 | [<laugh>] | 977.7234 |
1259 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 975.4519 | [Like that's real. | 976.1140 |
1261 | | 976.2446 | It's like | 976.5803 |
1263 | | 976.8403 | you ain't- you ain't messing with] that. That's not | 978.3137 |
1264 | | 978.5189 | my preferred. | 979.2790 |
1265 | DCB_int_01 | 979.6380 | Okay we're gonna do the la- | 980.6778 |
1267 | | 980.9110 | I could talk to you all night, | 981.8949 |
1269 | | 982.0394 | but I [know] | 982.5523 |
1270 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 982.2446 | [Yo.] | 982.5383 |
1271 | | 982.8076 | [I mean- and-] | 983.2739 |
1272 | DCB_int_01 | 982.8123 | [you have to get-] | 983.6516 |
1273 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 983.4791 | [and i-] if at any point you wanna like, | 985.0505 |
1274 | | 985.1717 | do another session, like I got | 986.7524 |
1276 | | 987.0229 | st- <laugh> [apparently I've] got stories for [days.] | 989.8754 |
1277 | DCB_int_01 | 988.1560 | [You're-] | 988.4404 |
1279 | | 989.4045 | [you do.] They're great. | 990.8826 |
1280 | | 991.1344 | I wanna do two more things if you have | 993.2840 |
1281 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 994.0021 | [Mm-hm.] | 994.2492 |
1282 | DCB_int_01 | 994.1560 | [um], | 994.4451 |
1283 | | 994.6444 | [a couple] more [minutes.] | 995.9594 |
1284 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 994.7610 | [I got-] | 995.0874 |
1286 | | 995.7216 | [I got] time. And I wanna- I wanna find that poem and share that other poem with you too. | 999.4189 |
1287 | DCB_int_01 | 999.6058 | The one about gentrification? | 1000.8368 |
1288 | DCB_se2_ag3_m_02 | 1000.8309 | Yeah. | 1001.2646 |
1289 | DCB_int_01 | 1001.2693 | Oh I would love that. | 1002.2158 |