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1DCB_int_010.3518And what's your birthday Miss /RD-NAME-1/?2.0398
2DCB_se2_ag4_f_032.0910March twenty third, nineteen fifty.4.0914
3DCB_int_016.0592Perfect.6.6438
5 7.8019Pisces.8.4268 
6DCB_se2_ag4_f_039.2474Aries.9.7114
7DCB_int_019.7137Aries. [You-]10.3712
8DCB_se2_ag4_f_0310.1194[Mm.]10.3386
9DCB_int_0110.6556[/After-/ The day-] Mm. [You the day-] Uh-huh.12.9120
10DCB_se2_ag4_f_0310.6603[On the cusp.]11.2817
12 11.8167[Mm.]12.3763 
13 13.2424[<laugh>]13.7693
14DCB_int_0113.4336[And] um, where were you born?15.3296
15DCB_se2_ag4_f_0315.7417Winston Salem, North Carolina.17.5086
16DCB_int_0119.1118When did you move to DC?20.1318
17DCB_se2_ag4_f_0320.6050<ts>20.7425
19 20.9350In nineteen fifty f- six- fifty five.24.9405 
21 25.4289Fifty five, yes, cause I was five.27.4946 
22DCB_int_0130.1711And what neighborhood31.1804
24 31.3683do you call home?32.1963 
26 33.5272Like as your childhood home, as you were growing up.35.6722 
27DCB_se2_ag4_f_0336.5488Lincoln Park.37.5500
28DCB_int_0137.5595Lincoln Park. [Where is Lincoln] Park?39.0563
29DCB_se2_ag4_f_0338.3055[Mm-hm.]38.8882
30 39.2474It's in um, Northeast,40.7302
32 40.9867on the Northeast side of Lincoln Park.42.7213 
34 43.9465That's my-44.5340 
36 44.9817the longest time, but we moved around a lot, and we were there the longest.48.3389 
37DCB_int_0148.5534In the [Lincoln Park-] Okay.49.5548
38DCB_se2_ag4_f_0348.8554[Mm-hm.]49.3474
39 49.6201Mm-hm.50.0211
40DCB_int_0150.1470And then um,51.6018
42 52.4318<ts>52.5297 
44 52.5997you've been here since you moved here- Since you were five, you-54.7306 
46 54.9171you've always lived here since then?56.1703 
47DCB_se2_ag4_f_0356.1796Yes.56.6273
48DCB_int_0156.6739Okay.57.0469
50 57.2101And have you lived in any other place, um-60.0312 
52 60.6374What other neighbor- or what other neighborhoods have you lived in?62.9257 
53DCB_se2_ag4_f_0363.3780Um,63.8256
55 64.2360you mean within DC?65.5090 
56DCB_int_0165.6302Yes, ma'am.66.0825
57DCB_se2_ag4_f_0366.1105<ts>66.1757
59 66.5907I've lived in every67.6714 
61 67.9045section of city,68.9630 
63 69.1076every-69.4480 
65 69.5412Northeast, Southeast, Southwest, Northwest,72.2830 
67 72.8659and um-73.6201 
68DCB_int_0173.6248That's gonna be great. I wanna hear s- I'm gonna ask you some questions about [that.]76.4691
69DCB_se2_ag4_f_0376.2220[Okay.]76.7722
70 76.8841Um- uh- after- Especially after my father passed in nineteen sixty,80.7159
72 81.2521and we moved quite a bit. Um,83.1406 
74 84.3483then um,85.4149 
76 87.2801I lived in Northwest with my mom and it was-89.4530 
78 89.5882and my stepdad, and then after I graduated,91.8299 
80 92.9583then I moved to Maryland.94.0970 
81DCB_int_0194.2873What school did you go to?95.2572
82DCB_se2_ag4_f_0395.6722I graduated from /RD-SCHOOL-3/ High [School, in] uh, s- nineteen sixty eight.99.4421
83DCB_int_0197.3403[Mm-hm.]97.9931
84DCB_se2_ag4_f_03100.9960Then I did two years at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ University,103.5500
86 104.9164and105.4946 
88 106.0961that's it.106.3852 
89DCB_int_01107.8027What'd you study while you were at /RD-SCHOOL-2/?108.9964
90DCB_se2_ag4_f_03109.2098<ts>109.3450
92 109.4895I was a Voice major.110.5900 
93DCB_int_01110.9304A Voice ma-111.5117
94DCB_se2_ag4_f_03111.5692[Mm-hm. <laugh>] Yup.113.5882
95DCB_int_01111.8723[Oh.]113.1313
96 115.3030So you still sing?116.1190
97DCB_se2_ag4_f_03116.7439I ha- I can't now. I've had surgery that118.9634
99 119.1825t- messed up my voice, so I'm not able to sing now, but121.8532 
101 122.7672I did some singing back in my day. [<laugh> Yes, yes.]127.0850 
102DCB_int_01125.0287[Really? Okay.]126.7586
103 127.1678So now I know you're retired, but what did you do129.3780
105 129.9609before you were retired?131.1033 
106DCB_se2_ag4_f_03131.0706<ts>131.2012
107 131.6022I was administrative assistant in um, DC public schools,134.9073
109 136.6090so.137.0193 
110DCB_int_01141.5459And what about your parents? What- where was your father born?144.6139
111DCB_se2_ag4_f_03144.6001<ts>144.7400
112 145.0279He was born in Pensacola, Florida.146.9537
113DCB_int_01147.0096Oh, I know [Pensacola.]148.7069
114DCB_se2_ag4_f_03148.1987[Mm-hm.]148.8468
115 149.0007Mm-hm.149.5136
116DCB_int_01150.4509And what about [Mom?]151.3242
117DCB_se2_ag4_f_03151.0792[And] Mom was in the-152.2076
118 152.3895from Waycross, Georgia.153.7137
120 154.5251<laugh>155.1499 
121DCB_int_01155.2945You are Southern- You know both of tho- Well [Pensacola is a little] far, but [Waycross is about]159.6460
122DCB_se2_ag4_f_03157.5502[<laugh>]158.2496
124 158.8231[Uh.]159.5878 
125DCB_int_01160.0728an hour from my house.161.4716
126DCB_se2_ag4_f_03161.5696[Really?]162.3110
127DCB_int_01161.5836[/And-/]161.7421
129 161.9379[I'm- I'm] from Valdosta.163.1212 
130DCB_se2_ag4_f_03163.5781Okay.164.1750
131DCB_int_01164.4734[Mm. So I know Waycross.]166.2826
132DCB_se2_ag4_f_03164.4781[Oh, well that's good. <laugh>]166.6510
133DCB_int_01166.4645[We go] that way when we're going up um-168.6700
134 169.1352Actually when I'm driving here, [I go over]171.0376
135DCB_se2_ag4_f_03170.3662[Mm-hm.]170.8278
136DCB_int_01171.4106past Waycross to get up to ninety five.173.4064
137DCB_se2_ag4_f_03173.5229[Okay.]174.1944
138DCB_int_01173.9892[Mm-hm.]174.4928
139DCB_se2_ag4_f_03174.4648Okay.175.0664
140DCB_int_01175.0524And we used to [play them] a lot at ba- in football, and177.6977
141DCB_se2_ag4_f_03175.3357[That's r-]175.7693
142DCB_int_01177.8956[they're one of our] big rivals. [Um,]180.0778
143DCB_se2_ag4_f_03177.9003[Mm-hm.]178.4785
145 179.3364[Mm-hm.]179.7404 
146 180.1058Mm-hm.180.6141
147DCB_int_01180.6141cause they were a pretty big181.5500
149 181.7973football program.182.7625 
150DCB_se2_ag4_f_03182.9117Okay.183.3454
151DCB_int_01183.3454What'd your dad do?184.0734
152DCB_se2_ag4_f_03184.5297He was a preacher.185.3318
154 185.5929[<laugh>]186.0638 
155DCB_int_01185.5975[Oh!]185.8975
156DCB_se2_ag4_f_03186.6980Yup.187.1818
158 187.4849His- his work though was he was a- uh, in the cleaning business.190.9587 
160 191.6908/Mm-hm./192.1897 
161DCB_int_01192.7819And what about Mommy?193.8795
162DCB_se2_ag4_f_03194.1377She was a house m-195.8536
164 196.0821mother at- a stayed at home mother.197.9286 
165DCB_int_01202.3059So,202.6463
167 203.2059let's talk about when you moved to DC. What prompted you guys to move here?207.0842 
168DCB_se2_ag4_f_03208.4691Well, I think it was just for210.4089
170 210.7295um,211.1876 
172 212.3615to try to do better.213.3174 
174 213.5459It-213.7883 
176 213.8816have a better life,214.9354 
178 215.3970you know?215.7887 
180 216.2970Um,216.6141 
182 216.9346he w- Like I said, he was a217.9605 
184 218.1563minister that did a lot of traveling and preaching.220.3945 
186 220.7023Like Evangelistic221.6162 
188 221.8773minister.222.3529 
189DCB_int_01222.5907Gotcha.222.9160
190DCB_se2_ag4_f_03222.9393And so he did a lot of preaching and so-225.1960
192 226.1008I think my mom got tired of him being gone so much, so [we kind of- Yeah.]229.6804 
193DCB_int_01228.8239[She said, we're gonna] go too.229.9838
194DCB_se2_ag4_f_03230.1097Yeah.230.4548
196 231.1728And so we came here and um,233.3271 
198 233.7887lived with my aunt and uncle.235.2715 
200 235.9698Well he was a preacher too,237.1076 
202 237.2428<laugh> so238.3432 
204 238.8748we all lived in- in Northwest DC, up off of Georgia Avenue.242.7320 
206 243.4713And uh,244.0541 
208 244.5391was my sister,245.4437 
210 246.1011/RD-NAME-2/, my younger-247.1398 
212 247.2517my younger brother,248.3195 
214 248.7019/RD-NAME-2/,249.2941 
216 250.2733and my mother and father,251.8167 
218 251.9096so.252.2492 
219DCB_int_01252.5628And you all lived in one [house?]253.8019
220DCB_se2_ag4_f_03253.5921[In one] house.254.2822
221 254.4221Mm-hm. All-254.8091
222DCB_int_01254.7858Did it feel cramped? Or did you feel like you had-257.0054
223 257.1546You didn't even realize it?258.1944
224DCB_se2_ag4_f_03258.5010I didn't realize it, no, cause260.0724
226 260.7578uh, it was a good size house. It was on Crittenden Street in Northwest.264.2410 
227DCB_int_01264.1105Mm-hm.264.6514
228DCB_se2_ag4_f_03264.7586And um,265.3357
230 265.9045uh-266.1517 
232 267.4526I don't even remember what room I was in, but I do remember that270.2037 
234 270.6047there was a big271.2529 
236 271.5408living uh, room.272.6832 
238 273.3003It kind of had it like the french doors between that and the dining area,276.7633 
240 277.2377and so it was always278.5527 
242 278.6692open and279.3687 
244 279.9142airy and280.6044 
246 281.0567f- f-281.3131 
248 281.5043It was fun.282.0872 
249DCB_int_01283.1538Do you remember283.9791
251 284.0724the neighborhood? Do you feel like you had- Like,286.1294 
253 286.3013you know, neighbors back then are not the kind-288.1245 
255 288.3716like288.5581 
257 288.6887[how we /talk/] about [neighbors today.] Do you remember your neighbors, the other people on your street? Maybe the other kids on your street?293.8074 
258DCB_se2_ag4_f_03288.7062[That's true.]289.2890
260 289.5641[That is true.]290.3055 
261 294.8087I don't remember the children that much.296.9837
263 297.0889Um,297.5132 
265 298.4505I just remember my brother and I and my um-301.3928 
267 302.3195my cous- my uh, nephew-304.0821 
269 304.1847my304.4645 
271 304.6044s-304.7302 
273 304.8328What is it? My ch-305.4856 
275 306.0265sister's children.307.3310 
277 307.5175That'd be my cousins. <laugh>308.8415 
278DCB_int_01308.9956[Your sister's] ch-309.7744
279DCB_se2_ag4_f_03309.1962[My- huh?]309.6671
280DCB_int_01309.9189That would [be your niece] and nephew.310.8768
281DCB_se2_ag4_f_03310.0635[Yeah, w-]310.5670
283 310.7909Nieces and m- Yeah. There you [go. I was] tryna find that word.312.9545 
284DCB_int_01311.8960[Mm-hm.]312.1991
285DCB_se2_ag4_f_03313.5735Yeah, they would come over, and uh, we were all kind of close in age, so317.5649
287 317.8913I remember playing with them. I don't remember319.6574 
289 319.8719kids in the neighborhood.320.7812 
291 321.3594But I do remember that w- the- the houses were um,323.8913 
293 324.2783like,324.4602 
295 324.5581connected. You could325.4394 
297 325.6154stand on your porch and see down to other porches.328.3665 
299 328.5531That kind of neighborhood,329.5323 
301 329.9193houses.330.4882 
303 330.9684And uh,331.6201 
305 333.2987I don't remember much else about that.334.9261 
306DCB_int_01335.1359Did you-335.4530
308 335.6861Do you-336.1198 
310 336.2224Have you ever- Have you s- passed by there? Is that house still there? Have they [torn it] [down?]340.0961 
311DCB_se2_ag4_f_03339.1635[Mm-hm.]339.5972
313 339.8210[It's still] there.340.4971 
314DCB_int_01340.7069It's still [there. Do people] still live in it or is it condemned now? Or /it's [livable]/-344.3662
315DCB_se2_ag4_f_03341.1079[Mm.]341.6488
317 343.8859[No, it's-] it's a very vibrant neighborhood. It's up in the Petworth neighborhood.347.8120 
318DCB_int_01347.9846Mm-hm.348.3446
319DCB_se2_ag4_f_03348.4322And uh,349.0990
321 350.0910it was considered350.9644 
323 351.0889k- s- then was kind of like a352.3479 
325 352.4878good area.353.1639 
327 353.3084<laugh> You [know, cause it's kind of] going /toward up/ in Northwest.356.0398 
328DCB_int_01353.8680[Right, and now-]354.5600
329 356.3242[Mm-hm.]356.7255
330DCB_se2_ag4_f_03356.5620[So] that was considered a decent area358.7536
331 358.8515to live [in.]359.3504
332DCB_int_01359.1592[And] now /if you have/ that area, that's-360.8845
333 361.0839uh-361.4056
335 361.5828right up-361.8393 
337 362.1004So Columbia Heights,363.3687 
339 363.5785[um, Brightwood],364.6743 
340DCB_se2_ag4_f_03363.5832[Mm-hm, a little further] up. [Yup.]365.3784
341DCB_int_01364.9587[Petworth-]365.4810
342DCB_se2_ag4_f_03365.5463Mm-hm.366.1058
343DCB_int_01366.1571Um, [so they] now367.7786
344DCB_se2_ag4_f_03366.7388[Mm-hm.]367.1445
345DCB_int_01368.4128um-368.7159
347 369.5039Gentrification has reached370.8701 
349 370.9774that area.371.6115 
350DCB_se2_ag4_f_03371.6990[Okay.]372.2597
351DCB_int_01371.9939[Like] Georgia Avenue, you know, you can drive up Georgia and you see375.0283
352 375.2101big Safeway with the [condos and the-]377.9146
353DCB_se2_ag4_f_03376.4225[Oh yes. Oh-]377.7607
354DCB_int_01378.1338[Especially] where the Metro [is.]379.5500
355DCB_se2_ag4_f_03378.1664[I have-]378.4882
357 379.3403[Mm-hm.]379.8532 
358 380.0817I haven't uh- Last time I went through there,382.1800
360 382.4878the Metro was there.383.4670 
362 384.2597And uh, it's- it's really changed <laugh> from when I lived in that area.387.6671 
363DCB_int_01388.0122So where did you go next?389.7234
364DCB_se2_ag4_f_03389.7468Okay, next we went to um,391.4207
366 392.0444Perry Place393.0003 
368 393.1868off of Fourteenth Street,394.5857 
370 395.2292which was like,396.1664 
372 397.3916in that- You know, that- Going up that way it was like,399.5365 
374 399.7930alphabets, that's how I [remember] the area. So,401.8480 
375DCB_int_01400.7396[Mm-hm.]401.0380
376DCB_se2_ag4_f_03402.3343Perry Place was in the alphabet s- s- alphabet before Crittenden,405.6951
378 405.8163so we're d- we're down a little further into- toward town.408.4928 
380 409.2890And um,409.9139 
382 411.0190we lived in the house of this old preacher.413.4530 
384 413.9706He was old,414.7248 
386 415.2844creepy kind of person (laughing).416.5573 
388 417.0703And he- (laughing)417.7277 
390 418.1147His name was Reverend Flood. I'll never forget it.420.3891 
392 420.7248And uh, we- we lived there422.4221 
394 423.5272upstairs.424.8095 
396 425.1033Um,425.6302 
398 425.7514it was enough room so my mother, my father, my428.0025 
400 428.0966sister and my s- younger brother.429.7464 
402 430.3899Well that's where431.4903 
404 431.8214our younger brother passed away. He was five434.1190 
406 434.2169at the time.434.9071 
408 436.5950Which I still don't, to this day- don't know what he died of.439.4895 
410 439.6947He just died as far as I always knew. He just died.442.6603 
411DCB_int_01442.7256Hm.443.0380
412DCB_se2_ag4_f_03443.6349And444.1431
414 444.3669took a toll on my dad. He was not446.1190 
416 446.7019/good after that/.447.3454 
417DCB_int_01448.4645And so did-449.0800
419 449.2665did you guys-449.8447 
421 449.9426Did your parents have any more kids? Or after- after your brother died, it was just you and your sister at that point.454.1940 
422DCB_se2_ag4_f_03454.1987Right. Everybody else was grown. There were other children and ther- there was seven of us all total.458.6879
423DCB_int_01459.0749[Oh, okay.]459.8769
424DCB_se2_ag4_f_03459.1635[But we were the youngest], the-460.5064
425 460.6696the three [of us were the youngest.]462.2550
426DCB_int_01460.9914[Gotcha, okay. So those were the-]462.1711
427 462.6514the three of you [guys grew up together and] then there was a older [bunch.]465.2101
428DCB_se2_ag4_f_03463.3730[Mm-hm.]464.0444
430 465.0516[Right.] [Exactly.] Mm-hm.467.0147 
431DCB_int_01465.7137[Gotcha. Okay.]466.3945
432 467.0520Oh, so that's why your sister's kids who were around your [age, that they were] older. I [see what you're saying.]470.9071
433DCB_se2_ag4_f_03469.0279[Mm-hm.]469.7553
435 470.4501[Right.]470.8371 
436 471.1449[Mm-hm.]471.7930
437DCB_int_01471.1589[Okay.]471.5599
438 471.8443And so,472.1660
440 472.2686then that's when you lived over in- and you had the preacher.474.6327 
441DCB_se2_ag4_f_03475.0477[Mm-hm.]475.5500
442DCB_int_01475.1864[Now],475.5641
443 475.7180at that point, were you really big into- was your family big into church still? Cause your dad was still a preacher, [so]480.5208
444DCB_se2_ag4_f_03480.3063[Mm-hm.]480.7586
445DCB_int_01480.7679is that how he met this man?482.2589
446DCB_se2_ag4_f_03482.5807I- I'm not sure how, but [I'm- I'm] assuming so.485.4204
447DCB_int_01483.9982[Okay.]484.3992
448DCB_se2_ag4_f_03485.5556[Mm-hm.]486.0592
449DCB_int_01485.5556[Mm-hm.]486.0592
450 486.1653Now, did you- where did your dad487.3403
452 487.5408pastor?487.9931 
454 488.1237Did he [pastor or he was a minister?]489.6018 
455DCB_se2_ag4_f_03488.3801[Did he- No, he never pa-] Yeah, just a minister, and he would go to different- different churches,492.3296
456 493.0477um, and p- speak and preach and495.5086
458 495.8396t- teach. I mean, he- he was-497.3504 
460 497.9473My dad only went to third grade,499.7347 
462 500.6413and-501.2101 
464 501.3454but he was502.1241 
466 502.2886so smart, so intelligent.504.3669 
468 504.7668I mean, he had-505.5222 
470 505.6900Universities wanted him to come and507.5692 
472 507.7930teach classes.508.6743 
474 509.0846Cause he never- He was just anointed.510.7015 
476 510.8647He was anointed511.8620 
478 512.1610preacher,512.5340 
480 512.8977and he could513.3594 
482 513.7604give that Word like nobody.515.1732 
484 515.3597[<laugh>]516.1058 
485DCB_int_01515.7701[Do you remember] a specific sermon518.0304
486 518.1796or a specific talk that you saw that just really touched you from him? Like,521.9193
488 522.2597I know probably a lot. You saw him [speak a lot, but is there that one time you] remember like,525.7930 
489DCB_se2_ag4_f_03523.5688[Mm, mm-hm.]525.2008
490DCB_int_01525.9655man, that's my daddy.527.1218
491DCB_se2_ag4_f_03530.5433<ts>530.6413
493 530.7392I don't think I remember532.3526 
495 532.8561what it was he talked about,534.2317 
497 534.7773I just r-535.2855 
499 535.4243I can see him right now. I remember one time that538.2966 
501 538.8981the Spirit hit him, and he just walked540.9545 
503 541.0885kind of walked the pews, as they used to say.543.3687 
504DCB_int_01543.5459Mm-hm.543.9282
505DCB_se2_ag4_f_03543.9189You know, I remember- I can see him coming down out of the pulpit,547.0978
506 547.3217and going-548.1703
508 548.7765I mean he could pre-549.6898 
510 549.8303Oh he could just like, fire and just551.9489 
512 552.5954work everybody up. You know, he was just that kind of peo- I can see that.555.8396 
514 556.4178I c- I don't remember exactly what it was he talked about, but I remember- I can see him560.5993 
516 561.0096in the-561.3174 
517DCB_int_01561.5738Coming out the [pulpit]562.7769
518DCB_se2_ag4_f_03562.1474[Mm-hm.]562.6463
519 562.7909Mm-hm.563.2851
520DCB_int_01563.4763and really connecting with [the congregation.]565.5500
521DCB_se2_ag4_f_03564.6607[Mm-hm.]565.1643
523 565.4056That's right.565.9651 
524DCB_int_01566.2822Do you feel like you see that in preachers today? Or do you kind of miss that old timey-571.1410
525DCB_se2_ag4_f_03571.9698[I have seen it.]572.8977
526DCB_int_01571.9745[Has it changed?]573.0003
527DCB_se2_ag4_f_03573.2941I have seen it. Um,574.6417
529 576.0732I've seen it in my son on occasion.577.9418 
530DCB_int_01579.7324When he's-580.2873
531DCB_se2_ag4_f_03580.5251When he was preaching. He can-581.9286
533 583.7600<sigh>584.1750 
535 584.7625It's- it- it's a-585.5365 
537 585.7744Sometime it give me the586.6929 
539 586.8935quivers how he-588.0825 
541 588.4229I can look at him and see my dad.590.3195 
542DCB_int_01591.1262Mm.591.4293
543DCB_se2_ag4_f_03591.5319And um,591.9609
545 592.6323<ts>592.7023 
547 593.1825that's a awesome thing.594.2270 
549 594.9778Mm.595.0664 
550DCB_int_01596.1377And596.9583
552 597.2381do you think-598.1474 
554 598.3759And maybe that was God's gift to you,600.6301 
556 600.8472you know, is to give him that spirit. Because [I believe] a lot of young people have old spirits. Like I have a [old spirit.]606.6392 
557DCB_se2_ag4_f_03603.3640[Mm.]603.7277
559 606.1151[Mm-hm.]606.7260 
560 606.8134[Mm-hm.]607.2517
561DCB_int_01606.8181[I feel like] I'm about seventy three.608.4361
562DCB_se2_ag4_f_03608.4827<laugh>609.4013
563DCB_int_01609.4573Um,609.8396
565 611.0846maybe seventy six.612.2224 
566DCB_se2_ag4_f_03612.3156Okay- <laugh>612.9580
567DCB_int_01612.9300Um,613.2144
568DCB_se2_ag4_f_03613.6201[Okay.]614.1050
569DCB_int_01613.8626[but-] but I think young people615.7137
570 616.1101sometimes can inhabit that617.9569
572 618.4648like,618.6642 
573DCB_se2_ag4_f_03618.7248Mm-hm.619.0512
574DCB_int_01619.0605maybe as their grandfather [or their] [grandmother]621.6345
575DCB_se2_ag4_f_03620.4314[Mm-hm.]620.9117
577 621.1962[Mm-hm.]621.6251 
578 621.8629[I agree.]622.4411
579DCB_int_01621.8629[And they-]622.1987
580 622.7769Do s- Does he have a lot of the same [mannerisms?]624.7819
581DCB_se2_ag4_f_03624.2690[Oh], Lord, yes.625.6108
582DCB_int_01625.6108[Mm-hm.]626.0771
583DCB_se2_ag4_f_03625.7413[He's] got that626.5060
584 626.8558dry sense of humor627.9422
586 628.3339that,628.5064 
588 628.6277you know, he can make you laugh, and he's looking at you, and you falling out at something he said.633.1444 
590 633.6438And my dad could do that from-635.0287 
592 635.1266even did it at his sermons sometime.636.7913 
594 637.0384I do remember that.638.0164 
596 638.1936Yeah he could make- he- he-639.5738 
598 639.8490He'd put humor in his messages, and that's the same thing /RD-NAME-2/ does. It's humor in his messages.644.9863 
600 645.3967But you get it.646.2033 
602 646.5251It's real.647.2382 
604 647.4437I mean647.8027 
606 648.6980you know God is so- [working with him.]650.5433 
607DCB_int_01649.8066[/In session/] him, [yeah.]651.1542
608DCB_se2_ag4_f_03650.8231[Mm-hm.]651.3547
609DCB_int_01651.5039So you said your dad passed.653.0958
610DCB_se2_ag4_f_03653.0986Yeah he passed in nineteen sixty.654.9311
612 655.6294He uh-656.2227 
614 656.5154he had a heart attack.657.5878 
616 658.0122Um,658.3759 
618 659.4110when we lived in Lincoln Park,660.9486 
620 661.2937it was a-661.6574 
622 661.8439one of those big old brownstone type houses664.3732 
624 665.0360and665.4831 
626 665.5696three floors.666.3955 
628 667.1258And at one point,668.0817 
630 668.4081our whole family lived in that house.670.3603 
632 670.9681All of my brothers,672.1307 
634 673.0279all- It was two brothers,674.2776 
636 674.9723three sisters,675.9445 
638 676.7676two sisters with all677.7514 
640 677.8866three-678.2084 
642 678.6001Each one had three kids, <laugh>679.9045 
644 680.0631they were there.680.6086 
646 681.4106Um,681.7977 
648 682.4924uh, my uncle and his wife,683.9240 
650 684.0498my mother, my father and that-685.3788 
652 685.6061We all lived in that uh- We loved-687.6951 
654 687.9329Oh we had so much688.7536 
656 688.8468great times in that house.690.1151 
658 690.8006Just,691.1270 
660 691.4476you know, just692.3615 
662 692.5667being together.693.3733 
664 693.4853Cooking that- He c- He-694.3153 
666 694.6510He was a wonderful cook. He-696.2084 
668 696.7726Oh he could go in the refrigerator and j- just look and699.2381 
670 699.3267pull stuff out and <exhales> be so good.701.4333 
672 702.1991But he'd702.4870 
674 702.6176tear that kitchen up when w- when he-704.1610 
676 704.2869when he-704.7019 
678 704.8651w-705.0703 
680 705.3687When we finished eating, we knew706.7862 
682 706.9401who was in the kitchen707.7607 
684 707.9193cause /it w-/708.3991 
686 708.7295flour on the floor, this and that. He s- said, okay y'all get in here, clean up this kitchen.713.1965 
688 713.6582He did- He had done all the damage, but we had to do the w- work [cleaning it up.] <laugh>717.8210 
689DCB_int_01716.6366[/unintelligible/ Mm-hm.]717.4992
690DCB_se2_ag4_f_03718.6044But uh,719.0660
692 719.2665we- we- we had720.4136 
694 720.5342parties in the basement.721.7367 
696 721.8626You know, and he- he loved to dance, and724.0028 
698 724.4924he was just-725.1825 
700 725.4530Oh.725.8960 
701DCB_int_01725.6768/Inaudible/726.3145
702DCB_se2_ag4_f_03727.8672When he passed,728.9956
704 729.5645something went out of me.730.6510 
706 731.6209I love- I just-732.7267 
708 734.1810He was up here.734.8977 
710 735.9655And so736.4924 
712 737.5136it was hard,738.2690 
714 738.3809but um,738.9580 
716 740.1843those are- Some of the best memories were in that house.742.9706 
718 743.7934Mm.744.1757 
719DCB_int_01744.9580And so what happened after you guys moved from-747.2428
721 747.8676So you moved748.5904 
723 748.8561out soon after he [passed.]750.3809 
724DCB_se2_ag4_f_03750.1291[S- Yes], soon after he passed, and um,751.9698
725 752.7205my- one of my older brothers helped754.9587
727 755.1079my mother, you know. He s-755.9240 
729 756.0359stepped in and s-756.9591 
731 757.4709So we moved to758.6133 
733 760.1474G Street in Southeast, which is over off of um,763.2016 
735 763.5595Minnesota Avenue.764.5480 
737 765.5972Over near that uh, Fort Dupont767.2711 
739 767.3784[Park.]768.0732 
740DCB_int_01767.9333[Mm. Mm.]768.7306
741DCB_se2_ag4_f_03768.2504[Mm, over in that] area.769.3275
742 770.1284And um,770.7998
744 772.6090that was a fun house. It was big house and775.2923 
746 776.8604a brother- One of my brothers and778.6929 
748 779.1919my older-779.5803 
750 779.9939two of my older sisters, my mother,781.9489 
752 782.2169and me.782.5433 
754 782.8558Yeah.783.0889 
756 784.1194And we had fun in that house. Um,785.7234 
758 786.9778why we moved, I don't know. I was a- I was-789.1309 
760 789.3640When my father died I was ten, so when we left that house, I was792.9541 
762 793.0466twelve.793.6248 
764 795.1495So I- You know, I didn't know all the goings on and stuff. I was still too young to799.2480 
766 799.7553be-799.8999 
768 800.0118but I800.2636 
770 800.3848just know that801.2825 
772 801.6811we moved, and when we were there, I went to um,804.0872 
774 805.4103/RD-SCHOOL-2/.805.7413 
776 806.0025Well when I was at- when we were at807.3407 
778 807.5226Lincoln Park, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School.810.2037 
780 810.7493And uh-811.4780 
782 811.8905um,812.2385 
784 812.4175that's-812.6553 
786 812.8791that's the biggest813.7044 
788 813.9469chunk of school that I can remember. I went there from third grade to sixth grade.817.6060 
789DCB_int_01817.8532Mm.818.1284
790DCB_se2_ag4_f_03818.6506And then um,819.5832
792 820.2826on G Street I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and that's where I822.5726 
794 822.7528was promoted from, then823.8968 
796 823.9978I went to junior high school.825.3574 
798 826.0075So826.4785 
800 826.5810by that time,827.5789 
802 827.8866we moved to829.0151 
804 829.9232um-830.3568 
806 831.1402where was it?831.6727 
808 832.6836N Street, Southwest.834.3250 
810 836.4687I don't remember what that was near. That was-838.5484 
812 839.4903I don't have a whole lot of memories o- of that house except it was a-842.2636 
814 842.4175a spooky house. We all843.5505 
816 843.6997thought it was haunted. <laugh>844.9867 
817DCB_int_01845.4623Oh.845.7287
819 845.9315Huh.846.1600 
820DCB_se2_ag4_f_03846.2270Yeah, cause it was-847.0011
822 847.1585it was kind of dark. It was on the ground floor.849.6588 
824 850.4178We did have upstairs bedrooms, yeah.852.1571 
826 852.7679And but we could never853.8672 
828 854.6226lock854.8511 
830 855.0190the front door.855.7883 
832 856.9681We don't know why. We-858.2923 
834 858.5954we just never could,859.5500 
836 859.7786and it sold.860.4221 
838 860.9863The day that we moved cause we didn't- we weren't there long,863.8587 
840 864.7866and so the day we moved, we could lock the door.866.7858 
841DCB_int_01868.1008[Hm.]868.4551
842DCB_se2_ag4_f_03868.1054[And so-] <laugh> And we was-869.5789
843 869.9939you know, the- just weird little things were happening there, lights would come on and off and873.8909
845 874.5297stran- You know, so we said, well-876.4742 
847 876.7446Well I guess877.0943 
849 877.2191they said, we gotta get out of here. We gonna go [somewhere else.] <laugh> Yeah.880.6323 
850DCB_int_01879.3594[/You can/ go somewhere else.]880.3059
851DCB_se2_ag4_f_03881.7048And so I was- I was supposed to go to /RD-SCHOOL-1/- I did go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ uh, Junior High School for like,887.3318
853 888.0405a month.888.6094 
855 889.5688And then um,890.5760 
857 891.7091I was um-892.5904 
859 892.8468When we moved to- from S-894.3110 
861 894.4928Southwest, we moved to895.8439 
863 896.5807Potomac Avenue, Southeast.898.2173 
864DCB_int_01898.5437Mm-hm.898.9121
865DCB_se2_ag4_f_03899.6395Um,899.9566
867 900.5022over by DC General.901.8569 
869 903.2987And903.9236 
871 904.2733we were at the end of that street,905.5468 
873 905.8913and um,906.3296 
875 906.9020the DC morgue was at the-908.2776 
877 908.4268that-908.7345 
878DCB_int_01909.2474Oh.909.5319
879DCB_se2_ag4_f_03909.5785at [the end of the] street.910.6417
880DCB_int_01909.6904[Okay.]910.1241
881DCB_se2_ag4_f_03911.0893Potomac Avenue, I think it was Eighteenth that went that /fars/.913.6947
883 914.3708And there was a cemetery behind our house (laughing). It was-917.3970 
885 917.9473But it was a beautiful row house,919.6434 
887 919.7507and uh,920.3149 
889 920.7718a nice-921.3415 
891 921.4386in the inside was nice. We had fun times there. It was my m-924.2550 
893 924.8239my mother, my sister /RD-NAME-2/, and then me926.8558 
895 927.0609and her-927.7082 
897 928.3292uh-928.6137 
899 929.1359older brother's wife /RD-NAME-2/.930.8586 
901 931.5082So it was just us.932.7299 
903 933.4153And at that house, I went to um-935.5742 
905 936.5721ended up going to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ Junior High School.938.7532 
907 940.1381I loved that school. I- It was a good school.942.7446 
908DCB_int_01942.7481Why'd you love that school?943.8766
909DCB_se2_ag4_f_03945.2754I liked the building. It w- it- it-947.1313
911 947.3970it-947.5929 
913 948.0265it was-948.5441 
915 948.8612the-949.1445 
917 949.9045It was something about being inside that school building. It was just-952.8888 
919 954.1105It was just a954.6560 
921 954.9078good place to be. It was a good feeling when I was in there.957.4531 
923 957.9003And I did well in all- all of my classes.960.2877 
925 960.3763I did well.961.0664 
927 961.6434I liked my teachers.962.8138 
929 963.5878And I met963.9982 
931 964.1287um,964.6790 
933 965.7934a lifelong friend. We still friends,967.9041 
935 968.0025and I was there at the seventh grade.969.9003 
937 970.0541<laugh>970.3386 
939 970.8841And she and I w- She was- She came- When I was in the ninth, she came /near/ in the seventh.975.2148 
941 975.9376And976.3665 
943 976.5810um,977.0054 
945 977.7095we became f- We still friends.979.1969 
946DCB_int_01979.5362What's her name?979.9885
947DCB_se2_ag4_f_03980.2169Her name's /RD-NAME-3/.981.2288
948DCB_int_01981.5086[/RD-NAME-2/-]981.9142
949DCB_se2_ag4_f_03981.7044[/RD-NAME-3/.]982.1847
950 982.9681She's a minister now, and uh,984.6747
952 985.8812we- our b- birthdays are two days apart. And we just like kindred spirits989.4716 
954 989.6349type thing.990.2410 
956 990.5861But uh-990.9918 
957DCB_int_01991.1398And do you get together often?992.3626
958DCB_se2_ag4_f_03992.6832Not often, but when we do, it's- it's real.995.2105
960 995.6628[You know?]996.0918 
961DCB_int_01995.6675[You can always] [share a lot] of [memories and-]997.5500
962DCB_se2_ag4_f_03996.1991[I can't-]996.5768
964 996.9999[Oh yeah.]997.8113 
965 998.0071Yes indeed.998.8231
967 999.3267Cause back then we- we did get together1001.3784 
969 1001.8587when um-1002.2970 
971 1004.1004Let me back track a little bit.1005.4153 
972DCB_int_011005.8723/Inaudible/1006.3712
973DCB_se2_ag4_f_031006.6463Oh [whoops. Sorry, okay.]1007.9426
974DCB_int_011006.8468[/This./ No you fine.] I'm'a move it to this side.1009.1689
975DCB_se2_ag4_f_031009.2564Okay.1009.7040
976DCB_int_011010.3335I think that'll help.1011.0842
978 1011.2987That way you can- There you go.1012.4411 
979DCB_se2_ag4_f_031012.4598Okay.1012.9867
981 1014.6933So let's see. I'm gonna go back to when we were on Potomac Avenue.1018.0401 
982DCB_int_011018.0784Mkay.1018.4691
983DCB_se2_ag4_f_031018.7582Um,1019.1313
985 1021.7833I went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ Junior High- Yes, I used to walk-1024.2640 
987 1025.0567walk up uh,1025.9473 
989 1026.7108Pennsylvania Avenue. I1028.0444 
991 1028.1657remember that street,1028.9910 
993 1029.6811walking into /RD-SCHOOL-1/.1030.5531 
995 1031.6488We used to step out of-1032.9824 
997 1033.3636at lunch time, and go over to Eastern Market and1035.5508 
999 1035.7604<laugh>1035.9609 
1001 1036.1474get (laughing)1036.4831 
1003 1037.0100us potato chips out of this big barrel. <laugh>1039.8952 
1005 1040.2123That was fun.1040.9677 
1007 1041.4946Um,1042.0868 
1009 1044.0918uh yeah. So I met- When I met1045.8019 
1011 1045.8905my friend /RD-NAME-3/,1047.0842 
1013 1049.0846um, we w-1049.8167 
1015 1049.9100we had b-1050.4835 
1017 1050.5721I had-1050.8614 
1019 1050.9720My mother and I had joined this church. Uh, Shiloh Baptist Church?1054.1413 
1020DCB_int_011054.0401Mm, [mm-hm.]1054.9214
1021DCB_se2_ag4_f_031054.4738[Mm-hm.]1054.9168
1022 1055.6022So1056.1198
1024 1056.5395this was the uh- this was- I s- think I skipped a point,1059.3780 
1026 1059.7790but anyway, I'll go back. But-1061.1779 
1028 1061.3131but1061.5229 
1030 1061.6302we had met1062.2177 
1032 1062.3902and uh- at Shiloh Baptist Church and1064.3522 
1034 1065.0003while I wa- while we were there,1066.5484 
1036 1067.1313we'd all discovered that we sang-1068.6922 
1038 1068.8227all of us sang. We were in the youth choir and everything.1071.2708 
1040 1071.9003And so /RD-NAME-3/ and her sister1074.0359 
1042 1075.0244and1075.4720 
1044 1075.7087two-1076.1284 
1046 1076.3848uh, two other sets of sisters1078.3153 
1048 1078.5810and I. We got together and formed a group called the Uniques.1081.5500 
1050 1082.3662And we sang-1083.4153 
1052 1084.2593we sang. <laugh>1085.3131 
1054 1085.6488We were really good.1086.7539 
1056 1086.9626We were really good.1087.9838 
1058 1088.1610I mean we1088.7112 
1060 1088.8231traveled around and1090.0635 
1062 1090.7676went f-1090.9168 
1064 1091.0613to different churches and1092.4866 
1066 1093.1118were on the radio and-1094.4221 
1068 1095.7417But, um, we were together the /?/ for like fourteen years.1098.6234 
1070 1099.2191Mm-hm.1099.8159 
1072 1100.1284And so1100.6832 
1074 1101.3314that was a highlight1102.1614 
1076 1102.3759of being at that church.1103.6115 
1078 1103.7888Shiloh, I learned n- a whole lot1105.3461 
1080 1105.5595being at Shiloh church,1106.8328 
1082 1108.4785learned a lot.1109.1919 
1084 1109.4623Um,1109.8074 
1086 1110.4322my singing1111.1689 
1088 1111.8952really grew /up/.1112.5807 
1090 1112.7345<sigh> I kind of thought I might make a-1114.3665 
1092 1114.4878try to make a career out of it, but1116.0172 
1094 1117.6667Uh,1117.7646 
1096 1117.8626just the singing part I was good at. But the other part of the music, the training, the-1122.1757 
1098 1122.7073the theory, the- all that stuff was too much for me. I wasn't ready for all of that, and so uh,1127.9519 
1100 1128.2550I lost interest in it, and- /and then I/1129.9372 
1102 1130.0631dropped out.1130.5124 
1104 1131.7184And I just worked.1132.7361 
1106 1133.0147And uh,1133.6115 
1108 1134.6362I started /RD-WORK-5/,1136.4408 
1110 1136.5946and1137.1262 
1112 1137.9376that's where I retired from.1139.0147 
1113DCB_int_011140.2597Now you worked-1141.1596
1115 1141.3170I remember-1141.9418 
1117 1142.0724Well one thing that I know /RD-NAME-2/ talked a lot about1144.5857 
1119 1145.1452was1145.6255 
1121 1145.8680/RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary,1146.9673 
1122DCB_se2_ag4_f_031147.3310Mm. Mm.1147.8719
1124 1148.3009<laugh>1148.8464 
1125DCB_int_011148.8511and I wanna hear-1150.5297
1127 1151.0287And I know you worked at a school not far from /RD-SCHOOL-2/, but you didn't work at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.1154.5294 
1128DCB_se2_ag4_f_031154.5620Mm-mm.1155.0050
1129DCB_int_011155.5086Um,1155.9609
1131 1157.0520but I wanna- I want you to kind of talk about1158.8192 
1133 1159.3963being in school,1160.4594 
1135 1160.8931um, like- Cause you came through /RD-WORK-4/, [and then working] for /RD-WORK-4/.1164.6001 
1136DCB_se2_ag4_f_031162.9774[Mm-hm.]1163.3970
1137DCB_int_011165.2191And then,1165.7642
1139 1165.9605also kind of-1166.7765 
1141 1167.3920Do you remember when he was in school? And like,1169.9379 
1143 1170.1944I mean I know you remember, but I [mean, do you] remember like, some of the-1173.0096 
1144DCB_se2_ag4_f_031171.4755[Mm.]1171.8579
1145DCB_int_011173.6391Tell me some funny stories about1175.3084
1147 1175.4763him going through- Because that was a big part of what he talked about was /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary. That school really1180.7909 
1149 1181.0287changed his whole [outlook on everything.]1183.0291 
1150DCB_se2_ag4_f_031182.0079[<laugh>]1183.2342
1151 1184.2263Yeah because um-1185.4526
1153 1186.5204Let's see when he was three, I1188.4042 
1155 1188.4963put him in um,1189.4989 
1157 1190.2869day care.1190.8791 
1159 1191.3640And it was a church across the street from /RD-SCHOOL-2/. It was /RD-CHURCH-7/.1195.2669 
1161 1195.8766And they had a outstanding program, and he learned a-1198.4505 
1163 1198.5717did so well there.1199.6675 
1165 1200.0452And so1200.7213 
1167 1201.2762when time put him to1202.7159 
1169 1203.3567come out of that program,1204.5344 
1171 1204.7536go to school,1205.4903 
1173 1206.3389um,1206.7353 
1175 1207.7833I talked to his teacher and- about the program that they had at /RD-SCHOOL-2/1210.8375 
1177 1211.1499with the tw- between the two places, and they1213.2482 
1179 1213.8859you know,1214.3568 
1181 1214.4967made1214.8418 
1183 1215.5319uh-1215.8816 
1185 1216.5437I had a- a kind of relationship with /RD-CHURCH-4/, so that1219.0477 
1187 1219.5422the kindergarten kids could come1221.0910 
1189 1221.2235to that school.1221.8769 
1191 1222.7722And so, I was working at1224.1618 
1193 1224.3809/RD-WORK-1/1224.7228 
1195 1224.8227Elementary School, which was like,1226.4687 
1197 1226.7765four or five blocks away from1228.3526 
1199 1228.9447um, /RD-SCHOOL-2/.1229.5229 
1201 1230.2364And I went in and talked-1231.4942 
1203 1231.7693Cause by this time,1232.9350 
1205 1233.3454we's living in Maryland.1234.4598 
1206DCB_int_011235.0333Mm-hm.1235.4996
1207DCB_se2_ag4_f_031236.9393And so I said, well, I kn- I- You know, working in school, and I knew about the residency and all of that stuff,1242.5208
1209 1242.6327but I'd say, God,1243.5968 
1211 1243.8486hey I-1244.3615 
1213 1244.8091I can't send /RD-NAME-2/ just anywhere, /now I got/- You know, cause t- t- t- s-1247.9892 
1215 1248.7248t- He's my life.1249.4534 
1217 1249.5968<laugh> He was my life.1250.7112 
1219 1251.5086So1252.0355 
1221 1252.1241I went and talked to the principal,1253.5090 
1223 1253.7747and I explained to him1254.8892 
1225 1255.0419you know, I worked near by. And I would like1256.8884 
1227 1257.0703for him to be able to go there so i- I'd be close to him during the day and whatever.1260.7493 
1229 1261.3963So he was very kind, and he said, well yeah, okay,1263.7697 
1231 1264.0495we will work that out, and he did.1265.4810 
1233 1265.7607And /RD-NAME-2/ was able to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.1267.4849 
1235 1267.9185And so1268.6553 
1237 1269.7417that was the best thing I think coulda happened to him.1271.9519 
1239 1272.2131He- His- His pre-K teacher,1274.0677 
1241 1274.5760she was just great. She uh- What was her name?1277.0333 
1243 1277.2012Miss1277.6022 
1245 1278.1618/RD-NAME-1/.1278.5954 
1247 1279.8766And she uh-1280.9583 
1249 1281.0330she loved /RD-NAME-2/, and th- they had a good1283.0159 
1251 1283.2105connection and1284.0872 
1253 1285.2890all- all of his teachers, uh, eve- even from-1287.6578 
1255 1287.8163from pre-K he said, you know, /RD-NAME-2/ is1290.0685 
1257 1290.1757good. He1290.6280 
1259 1290.8006does all his work,1291.5500 
1261 1292.1237but he talks so much!1293.2008 
1263 1293.4946[<laugh> So,]1295.0613 
1264DCB_int_011294.3619[<laugh>]1295.0706
1265DCB_se2_ag4_f_031295.4483and he said, well1296.3623
1267 1296.7714/it's a wonder he sees kids that-/1298.5014 
1269 1298.6879pre-K teacher. But then the kindergarten teacher said-1300.9261 
1271 1301.6955she said, that /RD-NAME-2/,1302.8205 
1273 1303.5502he get all his work done,1304.6786 
1275 1304.7532then he all- Next thing, he's over there at that table, talking to somebody. Or he's over at this table to he-1309.5408 
1277 1309.7693to helping somebody, talking to somebody.1311.4433 
1279 1312.1101And he can be doing his work, and still doing something over here.1315.6061 
1281 1315.7040So you know, he's still like that, /and hm/ [multitask.] I said, boy go sit down, do what you supposed to do.1321.0617 
1282DCB_int_011317.9515[Mm-hm.]1318.5391
1283DCB_se2_ag4_f_031321.7180But anyway, he did- he did well al-1323.8967
1285 1324.0028through all the wa- all the way through, and um,1325.9006 
1287 1326.4462first grade was Miss1327.8859 
1289 1328.6319uh-1328.9956 
1291 1329.5412Oh Lord. I can see her face. I can't think of her name now.1332.1804 
1293 1333.3683But anyway, she was tough. She loved /RD-NAME-2/ but she did not take no stuff off of him.1337.9613 
1295 1338.6234And so then sh- she turned out to be I think one of his favorite teachers. [<laugh>]1342.4505 
1296DCB_int_011341.9515[Mm.]1342.4458
1297DCB_se2_ag4_f_031342.6556[/Mm-hm./]1343.0613
1298DCB_int_011342.6556[That's usually] how it [is.]1343.8074
1299DCB_se2_ag4_f_031343.7234[That's] right.1344.1944
1300 1344.3856That's right.1344.8472
1302 1345.6900And so, he came on up. Let's see, second grade,1349.5183 
1304 1350.5756I can't remember her name. She was a little white teacher. She was1353.4246 
1306 1353.9888kind of scary like-1355.0781 
1308 1355.2737like-1355.4343 
1310 1355.5229you know, she was in the school with all these black t- p- p- people,1358.2407 
1312 1358.4874children. She was-1359.4106 
1314 1359.8210didn't handle it too well, so she was gone after next year.1362.6514 
1316 1363.3077Third grade teacher was a Miss /RD-NAME-2/,1365.6251 
1318 1366.2249and that's where /RD-NAME-2/ really1368.3343 
1320 1369.1118blossomed.1369.8719 
1322 1370.3662And she was1371.1728 
1324 1371.2754strong. She was tall, pretty young lady, and1373.8354 
1326 1374.6887he didn't like her at first.1375.9185 
1328 1376.4314And then sh- she kind of didn't like him.1378.1800 
1330 1378.6277And so you know, me, I'm up- I was always up there, you know. /His- didn't think some-/ He'd come home, /he didn't like-/ oh, I was up there uh, getting it straight.1385.2012 
1332 1385.3318You know, I don't mess with my child. I know.1386.8554 
1334 1387.3357<laugh>1387.8719 
1336 1388.2356So I went up there, and she wanted him1390.3945 
1338 1390.8795um,1391.2898 
1340 1392.1245to study for-1393.3520 
1342 1393.5362to- or to learn how to do the Martin Luther King speech1396.3292 
1343DCB_int_011396.4971[Mm-hm.]1396.9820
1344DCB_se2_ag4_f_031396.6836[for]1397.0333
1345 1397.6349the1397.9100
1347 1398.0405um, celebration that year.1399.7282 
1349 1400.5527And they bumped heads so much, and h- you know, well he studied and everything, and h-1405.4056 
1351 1405.5641he studied them lines and he got up there and1407.8023 
1353 1408.3386killed it. <laugh>1409.4530 
1355 1409.6022I mean he was just1410.4695 
1357 1410.9533so good. He- he j- He was a little short thing.1413.3547 
1359 1413.9003And uh, they had to stand him on a box at the podium <laugh> cause he's so short.1417.9838 
1361 1418.7205And so the-1419.2801 
1363 1419.3780the auditorium was full of people. You know, how in between things they talk a little bit,1423.1596 
1365 1423.5921so he s-1424.1330 
1367 1424.2449got up1424.5713 
1369 1424.6739there,1425.0516 
1371 1425.2614ps- just got up on the box,1426.5484 
1373 1427.2385put his hands on the podium like this, and just looked.1429.7600 
1375 1430.7205It's like,1431.1169 
1377 1431.2614you know, he was the king up here. y'all better pay attention to me.1433.9939 
1379 1435.0279And he waited1435.7413 
1381 1435.9885a lo- I know a good minute,1437.6205 
1383 1437.8023good- maybe a good minute and a half.1439.2292 
1385 1439.7468And people started, you know, what's going on? And they saw him sitting there, so they got quiet, then he started out.1444.1241 
1387 1444.5531I say today my friends and <laugh> you know, he started that speech.1448.6221 
1389 1449.4340And he-1450.2546 
1391 1450.4272Oh man. It was awesome.1452.3529 
1393 1452.4695It was so good.1453.4042 
1395 1453.9885He didn't miss a word,1455.0842 
1397 1455.1962inflections, everything. It was perfect.1457.1219 
1399 1458.1105So1458.6187 
1401 1458.9207that j- got him going, so then,1460.6090 
1403 1461.3081from there, he did1462.2453 
1405 1462.4085speeches at1463.1919 
1407 1463.3877churches, at1464.2131 
1409 1464.3436other schools in the d- in the system, w-1466.7112 
1411 1466.8604called him, wanted him to do the speech. He just-1468.9867 
1413 1469.5975everywhere, a church, at different churches, not just our church, but different churches. And1474.2173 
1415 1475.0800so1475.5183 
1417 1475.6861that really got him um,1477.1550 
1419 1477.4289I think on his way to public speaking.1479.4473 
1421 1479.5319You know, and he1480.4878 
1423 1481.0427was not afraid. He wasn't nervous. He would get up there, and he wouldn't forget anything, and1485.2288 
1425 1486.0075I was just so proud of him. And I,1487.6022 
1427 1487.8027you know- And I was a kind of1489.0011 
1429 1489.1771mother, I didn't miss1490.5247 
1431 1490.7812anything.1491.3594 
1433 1491.4759And whatever he had to do,1492.8748 
1435 1493.5649I made time to go1494.6560 
1437 1494.7586w- be with him and1496.1330 
1439 1496.6459I-1496.8884 
1441 1496.9863I-1497.2847 
1443 1497.4060I don't regret1498.0215 
1445 1498.4085not one [minute.]1499.5043 
1446DCB_int_011499.0380[So] let's go back1500.1851
1447 1500.3016because we kind of skipped um,1502.0398
1449 1504.2873you know,1504.8002 
1451 1505.1592how you got have /RD-NAME-2/. Like,1506.8565 
1453 1507.2657cause we skipped from1508.2870 
1455 1508.3941I think junior high,1509.6112 
1457 1510.1101[and your friend] /RD-NAME-3/, [and we went] to church and-1512.8144 
1458DCB_se2_ag4_f_031510.1147[Mm.]1510.6230
1460 1511.4157[Mm-hm.]1512.0125 
1461DCB_int_011512.9580and then [we]1513.3823
1462DCB_se2_ag4_f_031513.2797[Oh], okay.1513.9185
1463DCB_int_011514.0677started- So,1514.8698
1465 1515.0842let's go back to high school.1516.2686 
1466DCB_se2_ag4_f_031516.4132Okay.1516.9960
1467DCB_int_011517.9519You went to /RD-NAME-2/, and did [you-]1518.9900
1468DCB_se2_ag4_f_031518.8227[Went] to [/RD-SCHOOL-2/.]1519.6807
1469DCB_int_011519.1305[and did you] like it?1520.0351
1470DCB_se2_ag4_f_031520.2822[Oh yes.]1520.9583
1471DCB_int_011520.3335[What was your favorite] subject? [Who was your favorite teacher] if you [remember?]1523.6022
1472DCB_se2_ag4_f_031521.7510[I enjoyed it.]1522.8188
1474 1523.3178[Uh-huh.]1523.8493 
1475 1524.6980Um,1525.2669
1477 1527.4340My home room teacher was named /RD-NAME-5/, and I can see her now. She was1531.4814 
1479 1532.1284nice young lady, had-1533.0190 
1481 1533.2941wore hair straight, and1534.4551 
1483 1534.6137she had big eyes. <laugh>1535.8960 
1485 1536.4882And uh, sh-1537.2293 
1487 1537.2984I had her- She was my home room teacher all the way though high school.1540.2033 
1489 1540.6976Mm,1541.0333 
1491 1541.1732just /something/ I don't know how they did that, but that's how that happened.1543.7273 
1493 1544.2729But um,1544.8278 
1495 1545.4246my favorite s-1546.0961 
1497 1546.2173I w- I was kind of leaning toward business so I- I took um-1549.5140 
1499 1549.9651I was really good at English and um-1551.9515 
1501 1553.4903I w- did pretty good at Math too.1554.9824 
1503 1555.4243/Though but/ my favorite subject was En-1557.0703 
1505 1557.2008English.1557.7231 
1507 1558.4645And then uh, I got-1560.0312 
1509 1560.1478/towards/- sometimes um,1561.4336 
1511 1562.0584after my first year, I w-1563.2801 
1513 1563.4246I got into the um,1564.5857 
1515 1564.9914typing and1565.8447 
1517 1566.0265you know, all the stuff that could lead me into a1568.0258 
1519 1568.4035business1568.8698 
1521 1569.7091[career.]1570.1334 
1522DCB_int_011569.9935[Mm-hm.]1570.4038
1523DCB_se2_ag4_f_031570.6370Mm-hm.1571.0940
1525 1571.9519And uh,1572.8565 
1527 1572.9486I was part of the um-1574.6692 
1529 1575.3733the1575.5645 
1531 1576.0401cheer- Uh, what was it called?1577.2385 
1533 1579.6434The Pep Club.1580.3195 
1535 1580.6786I was president of the Pep Club,1582.1567 
1537 1582.2779so we had the games and all, and we /would just/-1584.3296 
1539 1584.4742you know, be out there1585.2715 
1541 1585.6248doing our things.1586.4408 
1543 1586.9723Um,1587.3594 
1545 1587.9142I liked Chemistry, and I loved my Chemistry teacher.1590.6141 
1547 1591.3310Her name was uh,1592.2263 
1549 1592.8698Miss /RD-NAME-3/.1593.6578 
1551 1594.2640She like a fashion model, tall pretty lady.1596.5628 
1553 1596.7959She was very sweet1597.8952 
1555 1597.9931and very kind and1599.1169 
1557 1599.8350I did well in Chemistry. I liked-1601.6628 
1559 1601.9193I like Chemistry.1603.0057 
1561 1603.2750I like Science too /earlier/.1604.8418 
1563 1605.2521That's been a good subject for me,1606.6463 
1565 1606.8468did pretty good in /there/.1607.9659 
1567 1608.6514And um,1609.2296 
1569 1610.3941/My um-/1610.7672 
1571 1610.9444<cough>1611.3221 
1573 1611.7231I was not among-1612.7256 
1575 1612.8935I was not one of the pretty girls. I always had1614.9964 
1577 1615.7134a issue with weight.1616.9350 
1579 1617.3034My weight1617.6997 
1581 1617.8350and I was short,1618.8002 
1583 1619.6115but1619.8680 
1585 1620.2737my personality was so-1621.8299 
1587 1621.9978I was always included in the-1623.4713 
1589 1623.6811in the in crowd. <laugh> If you wanna call it that, the in crowd.1627.2051 
1591 1627.6807And so, I was u- I was really popular,1629.8256 
1593 1630.0448and I would have th- little parties.1631.9100 
1595 1632.3156Um,1632.7353 
1597 1634.0444when um-1634.8371 
1599 1635.4386/What was it-/ we lived on um-1636.8328 
1601 1637.4297Mm-1637.6162 
1603 1637.6861When I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, we lived on Ninth Street,1639.8999 
1605 1640.6926right down- right next door to Shiloh.1642.6463 
1607 1643.2199They-1643.4390 
1608DCB_int_011643.4437[Oh.]1643.8214
1609DCB_se2_ag4_f_031643.6069[Shiloh] owns some of those row houses there,1645.7786
1610 1646.3801and so-1646.9841
1612 1647.7464Before we got there, now I got to back track, my mother married1650.7027 
1614 1651.0990my stepfather,1651.9838 
1616 1652.0957<cough>1652.3242 
1618 1652.6273/RD-NAME-4/, that was his name.1654.2033 
1620 1654.7349And he lived in one of those homes, and so1656.6654 
1622 1656.8239that's where we moved to.1657.8766 
1624 1658.8091And I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ there, so I used to walk up,1660.8748 
1626 1661.6209um-1662.0778 
1628 1663.0978What was that street?1663.7180 
1630 1663.9838Thirteenth Street,1664.7065 
1632 1665.4853Northwest,1666.3607 
1634 1666.4178yeah,1666.7209 
1636 1667.2805and walk up that hill to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.1669.0925 
1637DCB_int_011669.2144[Mm-hm.]1670.1890
1638DCB_se2_ag4_f_031669.6108[And uh-]1670.1843
1639DCB_int_011670.2589[That's a big] old [hill. Oh my goodness.]1672.8235
1640DCB_se2_ag4_f_031670.3428[<laugh>]1670.6040
1642 1671.0190[The- big old hill. <laugh> Yup.]1672.7676 
1643 1673.6069Yup, s- and so uh,1675.2109
1645 1675.4103Yeah, I really liked1676.3382 
1647 1676.4408going to that school. And I made good friends in the neighborhood. I had a1679.7747 
1649 1680.1851real close friend around the corner and-1682.1004 
1651 1682.8698and um,1683.5552 
1653 1683.8629we used to walk together, it'd be about six of us walk-1686.1338 
1655 1686.2364we'd walk up that hill.1687.2296 
1657 1687.8532And um,1688.6273 
1659 1689.6065those were- those were good years, so I was-1691.3644 
1661 1691.6395And I would have- Oh I was gonna say, I would have1693.7600 
1663 1694.3102little parties. Now we li- The place we lived was a little apartment, and I mean it was little. It was just1698.6141 
1665 1698.7166like, me, my mother, my st-1699.8719 
1667 1700.0817and my stepfather.1700.9404 
1669 1701.9982And I would have parties in that place, and it would be like,1704.5674 
1671 1704.7761thirty kids in- <laugh> /packed up/ in this little apartment. (laughing)1708.0168 
1673 1708.3992And we would have a ball, and my stepfather, he would1710.8612 
1675 1710.9766be just as tickled cause I was home.1712.7578 
1677 1712.9956I was doing w- You know, doing it-1714.4225 
1679 1714.7442Well I was there doing it,1715.7141 
1681 1716.2131wasn't out in the streets somewhere he didn't know where I was, so it-1718.7112 
1683 1719.0330He would be happy about that.1720.3526 
1685 1721.0007But we'd have fun, and so1722.6840 
1687 1723.0699I was uh- When I think back on it, I say oh,1725.2894 
1689 1725.4246that's funny how I was1726.6323 
1691 1726.9308a part of the in crowd, but1728.3285 
1693 1728.5616I wasn't the girlfriend type1730.0957 
1695 1730.2542that the guys would be after, you know.1731.8117 
1697 1732.2593But1732.4738 
1699 1732.6230that was cool too.1733.3084 
1701 1733.4716<laugh>1734.1478 
1703 1734.4928<laugh>1735.5222 
1705 1736.1144So uh, I did well. Like I said, I got /the/1738.8375 
1707 1738.9354school letters,1740.0674 
1709 1740.1991you know, um,1741.0291 
1711 1741.7180for-1742.0211 
1713 1742.1470for participating in different things and1744.4106 
1715 1744.5158certificates and1745.7188 
1717 1746.9358I did okay in high school.1748.3662 
1719 1750.0681I was in the Glee Club. I was1751.9053 
1721 1753.2611uh,1753.7600 
1723 1753.9232[pep ra-]1754.4734 
1724DCB_int_011753.9605[And at that point], you were1755.2101
1725 1755.3500with the Uniques, right?1756.5531
1726DCB_se2_ag4_f_031756.6137[Yeah, with the Uniques in- in high school], yeah.1758.9171
1727DCB_int_011756.7442[/You were with the Uniques/ in high school, okay.]1758.4882
1728DCB_se2_ag4_f_031758.9906Cause we started there- When I went to Shiloh, I was fourteen,1761.9422
1730 1762.7582and1763.3318 
1732 1764.5570I think we got together when- uh- two years after that,1767.3733 
1733DCB_int_011767.6904Uh-huh.1767.9655
1734DCB_se2_ag4_f_031767.9702and so we- Like I say, we were together for like, fourteen years.1771.1145
1736 1771.8439And um,1772.4221 
1738 1773.6391we traveled- We went around the city doing a lot of singing. We got hooked up with some other1777.8766 
1740 1777.9885groups1778.4314 
1742 1778.8371that was singing and1779.8350 
1744 1780.4132we had a little name. W- <laugh> People [kn-]1782.7260 
1745DCB_int_011782.4462[People] knew [you.]1783.2622
1746DCB_se2_ag4_f_031783.0244[Uh-hm.] [Mm-hm.] We-1784.3475
1747DCB_int_011783.5175[/Inaudible./]1783.9045
1748DCB_se2_ag4_f_031784.8138we re- did really well and uh,1786.5111
1750 1787.4716we just all grew up and everybody went their different ways. Some uh, got married.1791.4899 
1752 1792.0961Um,1792.4924 
1754 1793.1732I got married-1794.0125 
1756 1794.3856When did I get married? In nineteen seventy eight.1797.1355 
1758 1798.2500Ten years after my graduation.1799.8953 
1760 1800.2270<laugh>1800.4882 
1762 1801.3450And I married uh,1802.6116 
1764 1802.9304my husband /RD-NAME-2/.1804.4785 
1766 1804.5577<laugh>1804.8515 
1768 1805.6346So we were married thirty seven years,1807.7553 
1770 1808.8604and uh,1809.6718 
1772 1810.0774two years after we got married,1811.5836 
1774 1812.4182we had /RD-NAME-2/.1813.1829 
1775DCB_int_011813.1864Wow.1813.6481
1776DCB_se2_ag4_f_031815.0656And [uh-]1815.7557
1777DCB_int_011815.4200[So you're] still married?1816.5810
1778DCB_se2_ag4_f_031816.8888Huh? Still married.1818.0825
1780 1818.3238<laugh> Yeah.1819.9139 
1782 1820.8931And uh,1821.5972 
1784 1822.1147I had /RD-NAME-2/ at1823.1639 
1786 1823.3691Sibley Hospital.1824.3623 
1788 1824.7586I'll never forget. I had a1825.7740 
1790 1826.2123wonderful doctor.1827.2521 
1792 1827.4293<clears throat>1827.8303 
1794 1828.5204And uh, I had /RD-NAME-2/ by C section, so I w-1831.6434 
1796 1832.0118I was in there for a little while. I had a little-1833.7417 
1798 1833.8769complications.1834.8468 
1800 1835.0893I was in there for awhile, but1836.1011 
1802 1836.9859he was a g- And we came on home. He was a good baby.1839.9655 
1804 1840.1334<clears throat>1840.8328 
1806 1841.0193Didn't have m-1841.4577 
1808 1841.8354problems with him.1842.7213 
1810 1843.5315I remember one- <laugh> one thing. I was-1845.3827 
1812 1845.7650we were sitting in a rocking chair in his room1847.7747 
1814 1848.5068n- after I fed him and stuff was-1850.2216 
1816 1850.5294I used to talk to him a lot. I talked to him1852.4085 
1818 1852.8795b- before I had him.1853.9006 
1820 1854.2084You know, I'd sing to him,1855.3457 
1822 1855.4289talk to him.1855.9139 
1824 1856.6086So we-1857.1029 
1826 1857.2148This night- particular night, I was talking and he was just looking at me.1860.5628 
1828 1860.8099I was like, why is he looking at me like that?1862.7672 
1830 1863.4386And for about-1864.2313 
1832 1865.3504about fifteen minutes or so,1866.9358 
1834 1867.3496that boy just stared at me.1868.6692 
1836 1869.5832I got a little nervous. I didn't why- I- or what that [was about.]1872.8286 
1837DCB_int_011872.1851[<laugh>]1872.9032
1838DCB_se2_ag4_f_031873.3730He finally stopped, but he did that. I- I've never forget that.1876.8002
1840 1876.9214I was just holding him in my arm.1878.5068 
1842 1880.1190<ts>1880.2403 
1844 1880.6040So but-1881.0516 
1846 1881.2335And I never knew what that was about, but I never forget1883.8027 
1848 1883.9053that happened (laughing). <laugh>1885.0430 
1850 1885.8113But we've always been1886.9723 
1852 1888.0635[uh, super close.]1889.6815