Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	0.3908	Went to pick my medicine up, and they got it all mixed up and now they don't wanna fix it.	4.4091
3		4.7821	<laugh>	5.1225
4	DCB_int_01	5.1038	Oh.	5.7520
5	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	6.5493	<sigh>	6.9224
6	DCB_int_01	9.2802	I know- My daughter was really sick	10.7821
8		11.0805	so	11.5095
10		12.0458	we had a lot of- When she was real little,	13.9740
11	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	14.2455	[Mm-hm.]	14.6605
12	DCB_int_01	14.4880	[we] had a lot-	15.2060
13		15.4905	I think at one point she was like on ten different medicines [/I think/]	18.0084
14	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	17.7333	[Mm.]	18.0691
15		18.4374	[Goodness.]	19.0250
16	DCB_int_01	18.8011	/[to try] to/-	19.3420
17		19.8445	She	20.0077
19		20.1569	was only this big. They're tryna	21.4951
21		21.8635	manage all that and-	22.9406
22	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	22.9173	Mm-hm.	23.4116
23		23.6960	Mm.	23.9012
24	DCB_int_01	24.0504	and	24.3115
26		24.5120	do all that. /But and so/ I under- I know how it is. /[I really know] how it is/.	28.1759
27	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	27.0522	[I tell you-]	27.8309
29		28.1013	I'll tell you.	28.7728
30		29.6494	Mm.	29.8406
32		30.7498	Well he's a big help to me so	32.2968
34		32.4180	cause he brought the medicine home,	33.9381
36		34.0687	and they mess up. He just went back	35.5935
38		36.1763	to try to get it fixed and they still don't wanna do it	38.4180
40		38.9496	[right.]	39.2154
41	DCB_int_01	38.9496	[So did] you meet him here? I mean did you meet him-	41.1505
42		41.4023	H- how did you meet?	42.2090
44		42.4374	How did you meet your husband?	43.2628
45	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	43.5321	Okay, um,	44.3107
47		44.5579	<clears throat>	44.9449
49		45.3133	let's see.	45.6257
51		47.1645	One of the girls in the group that I-	48.7592
53		48.9737	that sing w- in the Uniques,	50.1662
55		50.2875	her mother,	51.0568
57		52.0314	her name was Ms /RD-NAME-2/.	53.3556
59		53.5188	<clears throat> At the time, she /?/ our mothers,	55.7524
61		56.2781	and	56.7025
63		57.5278	a friend of hers that she worked with	59.1878
65		59.2624	was getting married.	60.0784
67		60.6566	And so they wanted- She um-	62.2500
69		62.8610	she needed somebody to sing,	64.0034
71		64.2692	so	64.6096
73		64.9313	Ms /RD-NAME-2/ told her about me.	66.4095
75		67.2488	And so um,	68.1289
77		70.2645	I s- I sang at their wedding,	72.0551
79		72.2463	at this lady's wedding.	73.3793
81		73.5461	<clears throat>	73.9715
83		74.4040	And Ms /RD-NAME-2/- <laugh>	75.4718
85		75.8262	Oh it was- Her name's /RD-NAME-2/ now, but at the time it was Ms /RD-NAME-2/.	78.5074
87		79.0063	And she uh, was telling me-	80.6838
89		81.4485	She knew I was available then- <laugh>	83.2018
91		83.9432	about uh,	84.8151
93		85.0529	this	85.3700
95		85.6300	brother that the	86.4553
97		86.5626	groom	87.0568
99		87.2900	to be has, and he was a nice looking young man. So you might be-	90.7592
101		91.1275	take a interest. Check him out when you- when you meet him.	93.3506
103		93.9474	<laugh>	94.1200
105		94.8660	So,	95.6261
107		96.2649	w- we had the w- the wedding rehearsal, and then so at that point I didn't even- I sang and everything went okay.	101.3137
109		101.8872	And she introduced us, and he was nice. /Unintelligible/.	104.9589
111		105.2154	That was it.	105.7283
113		106.1340	So we went to the reception,	107.6447
115		108.8944	and,	109.2756
117		109.4341	instead of him paying me attention,	111.3553
119		111.6956	his brother was paying me attention <laugh> who was /RD-NAME-1/- my husband there /RD-NAME-2/.	115.6078
121		116.2688	And we sat across the room eyeballing each other most of the night. <laugh>	119.8825
123		119.9665	Finally he came over and we danced,	122.0182
125		122.5672	and then we got to talking and talking talking and	124.7681
127		125.1225	the rest of it all from there.	126.2742
129		126.5260	<laugh>	126.9597
130	DCB_int_01	127.2430	So when you met or how long before you- how long did y'all-	129.5371
132		129.7749	did y'all court or date [before you got-]	131.5329
133	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	130.9080	[Yeah, we-]	131.4722
134		131.7193	we dated for f- for like, five years.	133.6545
135	DCB_int_01	133.7664	Oh!	134.2035
136	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	134.2502	Mm-hm.	134.8610
138		135.3786	And	135.9568
140		136.3345	I think he was dragging his feet.	138.0691
142		138.2789	<laugh>	138.4141
143	DCB_int_01	138.6286	Mm.	139.0996
144	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	139.0902	And so <laugh>	139.8410
145		140.4786	by this time, I was	141.8169
147		141.9381	twenty eight.	142.4930
149		143.7986	Mm-hm.	144.3349
151		145.2022	When we got married, I was twenty eight.	146.8050
153		147.5045	And I said to him, look, you know, we ain't getting no younger, and I	150.3582
155		150.4981	really would like to have a child before I'm thirty or by the time I'm thirty (laughing).	154.3298
156	DCB_int_01	154.2785	Mm-hm.	154.9779
157	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	155.1318	And so, what you gonna do?	156.4841
159		157.4668	So- Cause we weren't seeing anyone else, so.	159.5313
161		160.4837	<clears throat>	160.9640
163		161.3323	He decided, okay, well we'll do it, so	163.3094
165		163.5798	we went on and	164.1207
167		164.5019	got married May	165.5651
169		166.2505	twenty seventh, nineteen	167.7007
171		167.9012	seventy eight.	168.4887
173		170.3667	And had a nice wedding at Shiloh and	172.5396
175		173.4256	that-	173.5655
177		173.8592	uh-	174.1903
179		174.7732	that was a kind of church where you opened a wedding up to the whole congregation so.	178.4137
180	DCB_int_01	178.5769	Mm-hm.	179.0479
181	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	179.2950	So,	179.6494
183		179.9199	it was- it was a very nice wedding. I had	182.2500
185		182.7677	my sister and	183.8635
187		184.3624	three other young ladies were bridesmaids,	186.6053
189		186.8151	and uh- S-	187.3502
191		187.8725	So I think- I thought that was a big wedding. That wasn't no big wedding, but I thought it was a big wedding, for me.	192.5120
193		193.2255	And so it was real nice. It- it-	194.9916
195		195.2014	it had a good number of people, and	197.1645
197		197.7100	um,	198.1064
199		198.2602	/RD-NAME-2/'s Godmother,	199.5286
201		200.1709	she was a caterer, and also she was one of the teachers when I worked at /RD-WORK-2/.	204.4374
203		205.1544	So she	205.9797
205		206.1709	did- catered the uh, dinner at the church.	208.3158
207		208.9686	And so that was very nice, and so	211.0576
209		211.7093	Well there was another teacher at the school,	214.0127
211		214.7821	who allowed us to have	216.0597
213		216.2602	the after-	217.1089
215		217.6125	after church	218.3341
217		218.6698	party	219.0009
218	DCB_int_01	218.9682	[/Oh/.]	219.4019
219	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	219.1175	[at her] house.	219.8449
220		220.3065	And she lived in Southeast. Her name was um,	222.5012
222		222.6752	Miss /RD-NAME-2/,	223.4570
224		223.9564	and she's gone now.	224.9044
226		225.8076	And uh,	226.4137
228		227.1318	so that was nice. That's where we were able- We had it out	229.5125
230		229.8090	in her backyard.	230.8144
232		231.2758	It was really nice, and	232.4493
234		234.0364	danced and j- just had a great time.	235.9762
236		236.1382	It was a good time.	236.9263
237	DCB_int_01	237.4858	And [so when- after you] got married, where'd you-	239.0712
238	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	237.6304	[And so-]	238.2086
239	DCB_int_01	239.2904	where'd you move to?	240.1017
240	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	240.3488	We m- um-	241.1882
242		242.6885	Well he was in- No.	243.7330
244		243.8728	Let me see.	244.2086
246		244.8101	Yeah, he was living in uh, Ch- Chillum, Maryland.	247.0529
247	DCB_int_01	247.4213	Oh, [okay.]	247.8585
248	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	247.5554	[/On out/] on Chillum Road,	248.8517
249		249.5231	and at-	249.8262
251		249.9708	I was living on Longfellow Street at the time.	252.3255
253		253.2488	Northwest	253.9202
255		254.5859	up by /him/.	255.4065
257		255.8416	What was that up by?	256.6282
259		258.0924	It was almost to Military Road.	259.8982
260	DCB_int_01	260.0403	Mm-hm. [It's up] closer toward the Silver Spring,	262.0920
261	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	260.4040	[Mm-hm.]	260.8284
262		262.2304	Right.	262.4790
263	DCB_int_01	262.4837	getting towards Silver Spring, [/right/?]	263.8991
264	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	263.7054	[Mm-hm.] Mm-hm.	264.7545
265		265.3654	And so	265.9809
267		266.4926	I liked that apartment. I wanted to stay there but	268.4464
269		268.9033	his was a little bigger. So we moved- moved to Chillum,	271.5752
271		272.3900	and we stayed there.	273.5324
273		273.8775	And then when /RD-NAME-2/ came,	275.5142
275		276.8897	they wanted- Cause we lived up on a-	278.4320
277		278.6045	over	278.9169
279		279.1314	people so this apartment wanted us to move down on the	281.8686
281		282.2789	r-	282.3955
283		282.5773	um,	282.8478
285		282.9737	ground level since we had a child now.	284.8703
287		285.7143	And- but	286.1806
289		286.3485	um, we didn't- well he didn't wanna be down on the ground level with a child.	289.8938
291		291.0708	So we f- moved to um,	292.8987
293		293.5375	another location. Where was that?	295.2674
295		295.7850	On Russell Avenue	296.8936
297		297.0801	which is off of Eastern Avenue in um,	298.9080
299		299.1785	Mount Rainier,	299.7893
301		300.7125	Maryland.	301.2152
302	DCB_int_01	301.3374	Mkay.	301.7251
303	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	301.9750	Mm-hm.	302.4632
305		303.4998	And	304.0873
307		304.2718	we stayed there until /RD-NAME-2/ was about um,	307.2208
309		309.4682	he was five.	310.4505
311		311.1178	And we moved to	312.4234
313		313.4027	um,	313.8177
315		314.3294	back to Chillum Road, but it was at another apartment uh- uh, location.	317.5701
317		318.8245	I forget the name of it,	319.9798
319		320.0869	<clears throat>	320.4460
321		320.9872	but we lived there until um,	322.7262
323		323.2857	/RD-NAME-2/	323.7986
325		325.2348	um,	325.5519
327		326.6045	was promoted out of the sixth grade.	328.1526
329		328.4697	Um,	328.8381
331		329.4629	and uh,	330.0084
333		330.4514	while- still- uh, go back to /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	332.6651
335		332.7817	<clears throat> another thing- big thing he did was	334.8008
337		335.3743	started dancing	336.4374
339		336.7498	with uh-	337.3141
341		338.5532	uh, Palmer Park	339.5977
343		340.1013	c- Recreation Center out in-	341.6401
345		341.7567	out here.	342.3162
346	DCB_int_01	342.7452	<cough>	343.0296
348		343.1357	Excuse me.	343.6171
349	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	343.6300	And so they had a um-	344.8144
351		345.2014	a	345.3692
353		345.6164	partnership with /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	347.0106
355		347.2297	and the-	347.4536
357		347.8313	the ladies- young ladies would come and teach the	349.8736
359		350.4973	students uh, tap and jazz and ballet.	353.2297
361		354.4747	And so /RD-NAME-2/ and two of his	356.1207
363		356.3900	buddies,	356.9636
365		357.3226	/RD-NAME-2/ and uh,	358.3345
367		358.5676	/RD-NAME-2/,	358.9873
369		359.4909	they were the only boys in the group. No, there were a couple other boys but they kind of fell out, so it ended up	363.9528
371		364.1433	just being those three boys	365.5655
373		366.2463	with the girls dancing.	367.4729
375		367.6218	And uh,	368.0805
377		368.9869	they really got good at it. I mean, they were- they were really good.	372.0970
379		372.3768	And uh,	372.8757
381		373.2010	by them being the only boys in there, they really stood out.	375.8309
383		376.0407	They shined. <laugh>	377.3183
385		377.8919	And so (laughing)	378.7405
387		379.2348	uh,	379.6638
389		379.8491	even after /RD-NAME-2/ um,	381.9614
391		382.5303	promoted out of uh, elementary school,	384.7416
393		385.8804	and he then went to um,	387.3646
395		388.2785	school in Maryland.	389.1924
397		389.9991	Uh,	390.4001
399		391.6813	He kept up the dancing, s- s- You know, stayed with Palmer Park,	394.7181
401		395.2904	and they did- They- I mean they	396.8711
403		396.9877	traveled and won	398.1347
405		398.3527	championships and competitions and	400.5723
407		401.2810	so I was a dance mother.	402.8245
409		402.9690	<laugh>	403.3280
411		403.6207	It was fun, we did a lot of-	405.2713
413		405.8682	going to Myrtle- places like Myrtle Beach, and we went to Disney World and we went to	409.8316
415		410.3760	all	410.6372
417		410.8330	kind of places. And they w-	412.2226
419		412.6982	Lot of times, they would be the only uh,	414.5307
421		414.6659	African American children th- in the competition.	417.0055
423		417.4217	And they would go and	418.2785
425		418.8008	tear it up and be the winners. And then little kids would be jealous, but that was cool.	422.8708
427		423.2433	We would- We were proud of them. They were-	424.8746
429		425.0759	did really good.	426.0084
431		426.8524	And at the same time um,	428.3154
433		429.3646	/RD-NAME-2/ was called to preach	431.4558
435		431.5142	when he was thirteen.	432.8245
437		433.9098	And um,	434.7118
439		435.4112	that was another exciting time	437.3743
441		437.7193	in our life and uh-	438.7918
443		440.5439	/<sigh>/	441.1268
445		442.3531	Oh that's- I don't know.	443.6681
447		443.8219	There's a lot of words for that I- <laugh> I don't know. It was-	446.5626
449		446.8563	it was a- it was just um-	448.2039
451		449.9572	It was a d- dynamic ex-	451.3933
453		451.6731	time	452.3621
455		453.6490	you know, because for him, being so young,	456.0038
457		457.5472	I felt like I was called too.	458.9709
459		459.9288	You know, cause I had to-	461.1924
461		462.0691	I had to look out for him. I had to protect him, you know,	464.8361
463		465.0615	and make sure that-	466.1526
465		467.0945	You know, people would approach him with things. You know, I would make sure it was	470.1674
467		470.6512	something that was gonna be right for him. And so	472.8947
469		473.7986	I- You know I-	474.9550
471		475.0389	i- I told God, Well you know,	476.5532
473		476.6558	you- you call him, you call me. So he's my ministry, you know. He's doing his ministry, but he's my ministry. So	482.4347
475		483.1128	that's we made- I made up my mind that	484.7728
477		485.4209	I was gonna stick with him and support him and-	487.7384
479		488.2968	and that's what I did. And	489.4718
481		489.8542	wherever he went,	490.7308
483		491.3603	I- I never missed anything until I got sick.	494.3387
485		494.8657	You know,	495.1687
487		495.4205	or	495.8169
489		496.0619	started dealing with physical	497.3133
491		497.4256	things.	497.8639
493		498.5120	And um,	499.0763
495		501.3133	he r- he really made me proud.	502.9933
497		503.2437	He really made me proud, loved to hear him speak.	505.4633
499		505.8818	He's a very dynamic,	507.1687
501		507.6444	very strong	508.5350
503		509.9292	very old person. <laugh> [Like you said], old spirit. That's- that's /RD-NAME-2/.	513.6164
504	DCB_int_01	511.2709	[<laugh>]	511.7419
505		514.2389	Now you came from a lot of siblings. Does your husband have a lot of siblings?	517.5542
506	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	518.0403	Oh yeah, he's one of fifteen.	519.8643
507	DCB_int_01	520.2738	And so y'all only had one child.	522.0597
508	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	522.4328	[One child.]	523.0996
509	DCB_int_01	522.5773	[Y'all didn't want a] big family.	523.9156
510	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	523.9797	No.	524.3714
512		524.9542	And I d- I was not um-	526.7728
514		527.2810	I had really hard	528.3855
516		528.5354	uh, pregnancy after the-	529.8969
518		530.5346	uh, leading up to it. You know, before delivery it was fine, but I-	533.3183
520		533.4489	t- after delivery it was	534.7079
522		534.7918	too hard. Said, no, can't do this again. <laugh>	537.1175
523	DCB_int_01	537.2993	Mkay.	537.7143
524	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	537.6863	[Yeah, so.]	538.4557
525	DCB_int_01	537.8728	[I was there.]	538.5723
526	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	538.6609	[<laugh>]	539.0246
527	DCB_int_01	538.6655	[/I w-/] Mm.	539.3790
528		539.8779	I think /RD-NAME-3/ might be a only child, [so I understand] [that]	542.2921
529	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	541.4575	[Mm-hm.]	542.0263
531		542.2175	[<laugh>]	543.1268
532	DCB_int_01	542.4553	[very much so.]	543.2713
533	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	543.2900	Yeah.	543.6910
535		543.8215	[Yeah.]	544.2179
536	DCB_int_01	543.8402	[Very much] so. And sh- I'm still- she's only four,	545.8686
537	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	546.0551	Mm-hm.	546.4188
538	DCB_int_01	546.4654	but I understand	547.4819
539	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	547.5239	[Mm-hm.]	548.0683
540	DCB_int_01	547.8538	[Look- you] know, I- mm.	548.9309
541	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	549.2294	Yeah.	549.5744
543		549.8355	Yeah.	550.1899
544	DCB_int_01	550.4091	So	550.6935
546		550.9593	let's move	551.4955
548		551.6541	a little bit.	552.3908
550		552.6986	So you worked in the schools, and then you retired.	556.0920
552		556.7728	What did you do	558.0364
554		559.3700	kind of- and all this time growing up, I know you had-	561.4625
556		561.6444	you had your family, and then when you were married-	563.9385
558		564.8384	Where did y'all hang out? Where did y'all go like if you and-	567.6304
560		567.7423	and your husband wanted to go on a date?	569.2670
562		569.7893	Where would y'all go? And what did y'all do in the city that you were like, yeah, this is my city.	574.0267
563	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	578.1382	You know my husband is not one	579.7796
565		579.9195	to l-	580.1573
567		580.3065	that likes to go out	581.3090
568	DCB_int_01	581.4256	[Mm.]	581.6308
569	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	581.4676	[much.]	581.8546
570		582.7825	So	583.3047
572		583.4155	we didn't do a lot of that. <laugh>	585.7842
574		586.2365	Um, once in awhile,	587.7147
576		588.1950	we'll go out to just- go out to dinner.	590.0275
578		591.0568	Um,	591.4951
580		592.1992	I remember in DC,	593.3417
582		593.5422	there was a-	594.0504
584		594.3395	a Hot Shoppe on Georgia Avenue.	596.3854
586		597.5931	It was-	597.9195
588		598.0547	Uh, was it near- I think it was Decatur Street.	600.4934
590		600.6566	Georgia and Decatur or	602.2362
592		602.9076	Emerson, somewhere up in there.	604.3531
594		605.3603	And that-	605.7660
596		605.9012	that Hot Shoppe- We used to love to go there.	608.0543
598		608.6838	They had good food.	609.4532
600		609.7190	<laugh>	610.0454
601	DCB_int_01	610.1433	What is it called?	611.0339
602	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	611.1225	Hot Shoppes.	611.9199
603	DCB_int_01	611.9898	/Hop/ [Shoppes.]	612.8565
604	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	612.4468	[Mm-hm.]	612.8944
605		613.2907	That was a big-	613.7885
607		614.1522	That was a big fa- a popular restaurant	616.2086
609		616.3485	back there, back in the	617.6447
611		617.9525	eighties,	618.5120
613		618.8524	seventies and [eighties.]	619.9098
614	DCB_int_01	619.3607	/[I don't remember] it/.	620.3621
615	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	620.3621	Mm-hm.	620.9916
616	DCB_int_01	621.0988	I mean I don't- I've not heard of it,	622.4883
618		622.6422	[not that I remember-]	623.3510
619	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	622.7028	[Uh-huh.]	623.4489
620	DCB_int_01	623.4582	but [I've]	623.7753
621	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	623.5328	[Uh-huh.]	623.9898
622	DCB_int_01	624.0318	not heard anybody talk about it.	625.3141
623	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	625.5087	[Yeah.]	625.8398
624	DCB_int_01	625.5274	[Do you] remember the time- Let's go back, even since you were talking about	628.4277
625		628.5863	in the seventies and eighties, before-	630.3628
627		631.1462	Do you remember the time of the riots?	632.7584
628	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	633.1921	Oh yes.	634.1200
630		634.6422	I was as- I was at um-	636.0597
632		636.1697	Let me see. That was sixty eight.	637.3374
634		637.7104	That's the year I graduated,	638.8843
636		639.5324	and so the riots was in April.	641.3836
638		641.9245	And so	642.5167
640		643.1415	we were in school.	644.1720
642		644.4320	I /will/ never forget. We were in school when they um-	647.0106
644		647.5235	when it got word that	648.6706
646		648.8618	Doctor King had been killed,	650.1895
648		650.7351	and uh- and all the breakouts started.	652.9826
650		653.0899	I mean it didn't take no time either.	654.6986
652		654.9830	It just-	655.4726
654		656.3434	and we- <laugh> they,	657.3739
656		657.5418	said we- you know, we were gonna go home.	659.2997
658		660.0411	/To told the truth/.	660.7265
660		661.2208	Call parents I guess, whatever they did to-	663.0568
662		663.6910	for us to leave, and I remember walking down.	666.1017
664		667.1882	I didn't come down Thirteenth Street. I came down Eleventh Street, the other side of the school.	671.1178
666		672.0737	And	672.6193
668		672.9457	I remember standing there on U Street	674.8821
670		675.0195	looking at	675.6024
672		675.8355	the smoke and the fire and the people running with	678.5074
674		678.9037	boxes and	679.8456
676		680.6791	groceries or whatever they could	681.9987
678		682.4417	run with.	682.9313
680		683.7940	And it was-	684.4747
682		685.2861	it was kind of scary, but it was, wow.	687.5045
684		687.9568	Just awesome	688.7168
686		688.9220	to see that.	689.5935
688		690.2323	It was something I had never seen before. It was just-	692.3061
690		692.6745	it just-	693.0755
692		693.1827	it blew my mind. I just couldn't understand why-	695.3743
694		696.0411	At that time I couldn't understand why, but then as	698.6978
696		699.2527	time went on and people talked about	701.2111
698		701.4676	you know,	701.7893
700		702.7265	Doctor King and talked about	704.4040
702		704.5905	you know, why this-	705.4205
704		705.8822	what happened and everything /el-/,	707.2297
706		707.4396	I started to see or understand a little bit better, but	710.1531
708		711.6117	I just felt	712.2692
710		712.5350	bad because they were tearing up their own s- neighborhoods and	715.8226
712		716.3154	you know.	716.7724
714		717.4905	And so I was scared,	718.4277
716		718.5536	but we made it home.	719.6634
718		719.8033	<clears throat>	720.3302
720		720.4328	Got down, um,	721.1602
722		721.4761	came all the way down Eleventh Street,	722.8097
724		723.5930	and then I was home. And then,	724.8381
726		726.1204	like I said, I lived on Ninth Street-	727.6533
728		727.9331	Ninth and P.	728.7025
730		729.5091	And so, on P Street,	731.1178
732		732.4981	took you over to Seventh Street,	734.0415
734		734.3154	and there was a lot of little stores and businesses along Seventh Street.	737.7007
736		738.2090	And so I could stand on my front stoop,	739.8689
738		740.3621	and see the smoke-	741.2107
740		741.3553	Cause that was another little street they tore up.	743.2064
742		743.5375	/You know/.	743.8592
744		744.1763	So I could see the smoke up over the trees and see people running.	747.7236
746		748.6982	I c- I remember seeing this man with a box full of liquor.	751.3793
748		752.6978	I said, no, no.	753.8542
750		754.4837	<ts>	754.6702
752		755.0386	That bothered me. I don't know why it bothered me, but it did. Why liquor?	758.5019
753	DCB_int_01	759.3273	[/Inaudible/.]	759.7030
754	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	759.5791	[You know], why- why you go to /unintelligible/. That's probably why some of you acting like that, cause of this liquor. <laugh>	764.7817
755		765.3879	[B- <laugh>]	766.0314
756	DCB_int_01	765.3978	[<laugh>]	767.1691
757	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	766.6003	[But uh],	767.1598
758		767.5655	I remember /seeing/ that- that	768.9084
760		769.1182	um,	769.5425
762		769.7197	/blamps/.	770.5952
764		770.9263	I s- I saw somebody with some lamps.	772.9779
766		774.2369	It was c- It was creepy.	775.4621
768		776.3201	/Mm-mm/.	776.7771
769	DCB_int_01	777.0242	Do you remember	778.1340
771		779.1085	the March on Washington?	780.3205
773		780.4328	So	780.7685
775		780.8851	a few years before that?	782.2500
777		782.8703	Did you participate in the [march?]	784.4371
778	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	783.9568	[I didn't], no.	784.7774
779		785.6867	I was	786.2276
781		786.7685	thirteen.	787.5379
783		789.5185	That was in sixty three right?	790.6749
784	DCB_int_01	790.6702	Mm-hm.	791.1458
785	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	792.3209	Yeah.	792.7405
787		794.0123	Um,	794.4087
789		794.7631	my mother had not	795.8215
791		796.1526	remarried yet, so	797.5446
793		798.3022	it was just her,	799.3327
795		800.7817	my sister and me.	801.7143
797		803.9618	So	804.5027
799		804.9643	it was like,	805.5985
801		806.5999	go to school, come home,	807.9987
803		808.5490	you know?	808.9127
805		809.6820	She had to know where we were and couldn't- we- we just didn't go and hang out.	812.7957
807		813.0102	<clears throat>	813.3832
809		814.1060	So n- um,	815.0759
811		815.3883	no. I di- I- I	816.5773
813		816.7545	knew about it, but I didn't participate.	818.7677
815		819.3786	Mm.	819.6490
816	DCB_int_01	819.9521	So	820.3904
818		821.2997	thinking about	822.1297
820		823.4866	over the last forty years, fifty years	825.9847
822		826.5163	and kind of the city	827.5981
824		828.3442	and how it's changed, what do you see- and- and the fact that you've been able to	832.0649
826		832.1573	live in all parts of the city-	833.7333
828		834.2836	I think that's- that's [just really] unique. [Um],	837.0941
829	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	835.1777	[Mm-hm.]	835.8864
831		836.4507	[Mm-hm.]	837.0941
832	DCB_int_01	837.6677	what do you see-	839.1038
834		840.1204	How have you seen the quadrants	841.4714
836		842.0916	different? How was it different living in Northwest versus	844.5163
838		844.8614	Southeast is the first question.	846.4887
840		846.9270	And then the second question is	848.8097
842		849.1525	how have you seen the city as a whole change	852.0178
843	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	852.1856	[Mkay.]	852.7452
844	DCB_int_01	852.1903	[over]	852.6752
845		852.8291	the last thirty, forty years?	854.4972
846	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	855.9195	Well going back to when I lived in North- When we first came here, we lived in	860.0450
848		860.1476	Northwest,	860.8470
850		861.2900	which- which was called then Upper North- part of North-	863.9572
852		864.0597	Upper Northwest.	865.0067
853	DCB_int_01	864.9550	Mm-hm.	865.2907
854	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	865.5938	Um,	866.0030
855	DCB_int_01	866.4273	[Uptown.]	867.1081
856	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	866.4367	[at this-]	866.8563
857		867.1175	Uptown, y- [Okay.]	868.0640
858	DCB_int_01	867.6397	[Mm-hm.]	868.2785
859	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	868.6888	And I could definitely see a differen- It was nicer. The- the houses were nicer.	872.2472
861		872.5999	Um,	873.1221
863		873.6024	the people,	874.2738
865		875.5515	they were nicer.	876.3069
867		876.8897	I mean, the streets- I mean just a matter of the streets being clean.	880.5140
869		881.2437	That was different. It was clean there. It was-	883.2907
871		883.8771	It was okay. You c- you could walk-	885.6537
873		886.1060	If there was a t- corner store, you could walk there and not	888.5680
875		888.7359	feel like	889.4260
877		890.0077	you were in danger.	890.7910
878	DCB_int_01	890.9869	Mm.	891.2060
879	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	891.5324	And then,	892.0827
881		892.6749	Southeast, or the part of Southeast that we moved to,	895.3047
883		896.0683	it was okay.	896.9589
885		897.0335	I- There was a	897.6630
887		897.8215	p- uh, part off of um-	899.0665
889		899.3277	about to say Minnesota Avenue?	900.5773
891		900.9550	<clears throat>	901.4353
893		903.0055	Um, I didn't /stay/ anything- I didn't see a big difference from um-	906.5339
895		907.6346	We live in Northwest to that part of Southeast.	909.8850
897		910.3018	You know, we had the-	910.9267
899		911.1458	and it was a nice quiet neighborhood. There were children there that I knew,	913.9622
901		914.3667	we used to walk to school with.	915.7003
903		916.0625	Um,	916.4604
905		917.7473	so that part was alwa- South- that part of Southwest, let's see, that's the only time I really-	921.6444
907		922.0500	we were there in Southwest, and it was-	923.8825
909		925.3327	it w- it was kind of disjointed	927.4327
911		927.9008	place to me. L- Like I say, that maybe this was the house because the house was-	931.4493
913		931.8958	it was-	932.3294
915		932.7584	Everything was like- it was down,	934.3997
917		934.7262	and it was a dark house and	936.1204
919		936.4887	we- that's the one we thought was haunted [and-] <laugh>.	938.7211
920	DCB_int_01	937.9704	[Mm-hm.]	938.3527
921	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	939.1548	And we weren't there that long, so	940.8227
923		941.1225	I- You know, I don't really have much feeling about Southwest	944.0228
925		944.2268	uh, for that.	944.8843
927		945.1501	And South, um-	946.1573
929		946.6935	Northeast.	947.5722
931		948.2556	Uh, when- Linc- We lived in Lincoln Park,	950.6139
933		950.8190	up, right by there-	951.8402
935		952.1013	<clears throat> Excuse me.	953.0367
937		954.4188	I loved that part of town.	955.6638
939		956.1895	We used to walk from there down to H Street,	958.5878
940	DCB_int_01	959.2950	[Mm.]	959.5235
941	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	959.4302	[and] that was my town. That was my city. H Street Northeast, I loved it.	963.4065
942		963.8309	We'd	964.0258
944		964.1060	go to the stores. I remember um,	965.9292
946		966.0784	McBride's.	967.1013
948		967.6358	We would go there.	968.7258
950		968.8703	I guess that was-	969.5371
952		970.3158	McBride's was like a	971.5561
954		972.0504	KMart now,	972.7405
955	DCB_int_01	973.0203	[Mm.]	973.3793
956	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	973.0343	[I guess.] That's what it was like.	974.1814
957		974.7398	And m-	975.0895
959		975.2340	uh, my oldest sister worked at a store,	977.4216
961		977.6541	what's called Copy Cat.	978.8058
963		978.9270	And that was a	979.3793
965		979.7885	store w-	980.2781
967		980.4507	a lady's dress store. Then get nice clothes at Copy Cat.	983.4519
969		984.0084	And there um-	984.7592
971		985.2208	That was a-	985.6824
973		985.9611	I think there was a Woolworth down there I think.	988.5032
975		989.5888	And then you could go to the little carry outs and get	991.9890
977		992.1662	some good	992.5439
979		992.9729	steak and cheese sandwiches <laugh>	995.1318
981		995.5795	and fish sandwiches.	996.9171
983		997.3887	So I liked that, and then	998.4904
985		998.5999	before you get to H Street, the- uh, right down Constitution Avenue	1001.8991
987		1002.6426	and Twelfth Street was a little	1003.9657
989		1004.1103	Jewish Delicatessen.	1005.3832
991		1005.4812	Used to	1005.8262
993		1005.9801	go there and get	1006.6562
995		1007.0945	good cheese and good	1008.4328
997		1008.6519	half smokes. <laugh>	1009.9249
998	DCB_int_01	1010.0730	Mm.	1010.3807
999	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1010.5253	And uh,	1011.2060
1001		1012.1106	my older sister, /??/, they used to send me	1015.1462
1003		1015.7652	and her children	1016.8097
1005		1017.1314	up to that little store	1018.3578
1007		1018.4883	and to	1018.7495
1009		1019.0059	get her RC sodas	1020.6312
1011		1021.1975	and	1021.5834
1013		1021.7839	cheese. <laugh> [Cheese and crackers- /C/- Yup.]	1025.3556
1014	DCB_int_01	1023.4625	[I remember RC sodas.]	1025.2252
1015	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1026.0737	So we had to go up there and the-	1027.4353
1017		1027.6346	that-	1027.8165
1019		1027.9098	t- I'll never forget the day	1029.2713
1021		1029.7283	that we- I was coming back. I had her RC in a bag, a paper bag.	1033.5823
1023		1034.1802	And if-	1034.6418
1025		1034.8843	uh- walking down the street-	1036.0873
1027		1036.9873	I used to walk barefoot in the street,	1038.7409
1029		1038.8478	so that tell you something about that part of the city, was- street was	1042.2844
1031		1042.6142	not dirty. It was on-	1043.6308
1033		1043.9292	no trash and junk all over the street, so-	1045.9144
1035		1046.3294	so I barefoot,	1047.1268
1037		1047.6071	and I was	1048.0733
1039		1048.2086	coming back, I dropped that bottle, slid out of the bag.	1050.7109
1041		1051.8538	And so I didn't know, and I- I- You know I said, oh man, she gonna kill me, blah blah blah. I kept- I kept walking, never did really	1057.9156
1043		1058.1616	looked down and to see that	1059.5045
1045		1059.9521	glass had popped up on my leg and had cut my leg.	1062.4514
1047		1063.3700	And I- To this day, I have a- like, a	1065.2527
1049		1065.4765	half moon shaped scar on my leg from that (laughing)	1067.8499
1051		1068.1064	RC soda. <laugh>	1069.9948
1053		1070.5626	So (laughing),	1071.1734
1055		1071.5511	that's a memoir I kept <laugh> from [that day (laughing).]	1074.3022
1056	DCB_int_01	1073.5981	[<laugh>]	1075.0576
1057	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1074.7405	[But] she- she was /always/-	1076.4134
1058		1076.5253	/she just/ send me- us up to that store to get that stuff for her,	1079.9478
1060		1080.0411	so.	1080.4281
1062		1081.2022	I liked-	1081.7197
1064		1081.9517	that-	1082.1149
1066		1082.2968	that was my favorite place	1083.5185
1068		1083.6910	that-	1083.8775
1070		1084.0314	to live. I guess maybe cause	1085.5235
1072		1085.8872	it was my dad was still living, and	1087.6964
1074		1088.3854	you know, I was- so loved him, so uh, he made it	1091.1834
1076		1091.3137	good anyway.	1092.1297
1078		1092.2416	Wherever we were, he made it good.	1093.6545
1080		1093.7885	[<laugh>]	1094.7211
1081	DCB_int_01	1094.1336	[So]	1094.4507
1083		1094.5999	before I go back to the other question-	1095.9521
1084		1096.0500	Now H Street-	1096.7635
1085	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1097.1505	[Mm-hm.]	1097.5095
1086	DCB_int_01	1097.1505	[You know],	1097.5468
1087	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1097.6447	[Mm-hm.]	1098.3162
1088	DCB_int_01	1097.6494	[now it's different.]	1098.5447
1089	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1098.5540	[Mm.]	1099.0576
1090	DCB_int_01	1098.9457	[but]	1099.1695
1091		1099.9482	what did you think when you saw kind of H Street just kind of go down? Like it-	1103.4722
1093		1103.6074	it went way down.	1104.6426
1094	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1104.6519	Yeah, it- it's- it was painful. It hurt	1107.3879
1096		1107.8262	to see	1108.3811
1098		1109.3603	you know,	1109.7893
1100		1110.4234	a place where-	1111.4213
1102		1111.9844	Like, all the places that you loved to go and- and- and-	1114.8427
1104		1115.0992	and visited and	1115.9432
1106		1116.5493	buy what you wanted to buy and stuff like that.	1118.7584
1108		1119.1734	Then it was gone.	1120.1853
1110		1120.2925	It was trashed and	1121.6727
1112		1122.1950	messed up. It- it hurt.	1123.5659
1114		1124.4973	It- To me it was- For me, it was painful	1126.5303
1116		1127.1318	to see it go down,	1128.0084
1118		1128.3442	and stay down so long.	1129.6265
1119	DCB_int_01	1130.1802	It was a long [time],	1130.9869
1120	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1130.7771	[Mm-hm.]	1131.3319
1121	DCB_int_01	1131.3506	until-	1131.8775
1123		1132.1759	I would say, what? The [last three, four years, if] [that?]	1134.9084
1124	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1133.0712	[Just recently, yeah.]	1134.5354
1126		1134.7778	[Just-] Mm.	1135.4073
1127	DCB_int_01	1135.6393	[So what are you feeling] now? Are you feeling like-	1138.3182
1128	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1135.6440	[Just recently.]	1136.5766
1129	DCB_int_01	1138.7914	How do you feel about that	1140.2789
1131		1140.4468	area- Cause that's a big up and coming area [now.]	1142.4880
1132	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1142.3014	[Mm-huh.] It is. [It is.]	1143.6257
1133	DCB_int_01	1143.3646	[And so] what do you- How do feel about that?	1145.1318
1134	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1145.1551	Uh,	1145.6214
1136		1145.8639	well I'm- I'm glad that they're	1147.3700
1138		1147.6265	re- getting it- renewing it, and	1149.4905
1140		1149.9148	that it's coming up.	1150.6422
1142		1151.0292	<clears throat>	1151.4023
1144		1151.7940	I think um-	1152.6079
1146		1154.0357	<ts>	1154.2268
1148		1154.4833	I haven't been down there re- real recently, so I'm not sure. But I- I'm s- I think it's a lot of um,	1159.3094
1150		1160.4880	s-	1160.6092
1152		1160.8097	uh- t- different stores or	1162.4464
1154		1162.7075	I'm not sure exactly what's down there. I just know they	1164.7685
1156		1165.1602	fixing it up.	1165.7850
1158		1166.5532	But [uh-]	1166.9542
1159	DCB_int_01	1166.8330	[Right] now, it's a lot of um- There are some stores, [but it's a lot] of restaurants, [kind of] some of these little trendy	1172.7444
1160	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1169.8639	[Mm-hm.]	1170.2323
1162		1171.3747	[Mm.]	1171.5985
1163		1173.0009	Mm-hm.	1173.3366
1164	DCB_int_01	1173.4392	places. Uh- you know, gentrification is- is running through the city,	1176.8011
1166		1177.0949	[and um],	1178.0182
1167	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1177.2022	[Mm-hm.]	1177.6591
1168	DCB_int_01	1178.4693	<ts>	1178.5719
1170		1179.1175	I think that that's where you're seeing um, a lot of these	1182.6333
1172		1183.5006	um-	1183.8550
1174		1184.1243	Black businesses are [coming back.]	1185.5651
1175	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1184.9776	[Mm-mm.] Mm-hm.	1186.0640
1176	DCB_int_01	1186.3671	Um,	1187.2717
1178		1187.7427	and it's a lot of restaurants. [It's also a lot of] little like, dives though. It's not like these nice fancy you know, [seven course] meals. [It's a lot] of-	1195.3782
1179	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1189.3782	[Restaurants.]	1190.0590
1181		1193.5049	[Mm-hm.]	1193.8732
1183		1194.7685	[Mm-hm.]	1195.1602
1184	DCB_int_01	1195.6766	There's like a wonderful oyster bar down there [but if you walk] up to the door, it looks so rundown.	1200.3022
1185	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1197.8962	[Mm-hm.]	1198.3495
1186		1200.4234	[Mm-hm.]	1200.8105
1187	DCB_int_01	1200.6426	[And you] walk in, and it's a whole different [world. So they're still]	1203.5744
1188	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1202.5066	[Different world.]	1203.3226
1190		1203.4392	[Mm-hm.]	1203.9428
1191	DCB_int_01	1204.8800	doing some- It's still undergoing some [changing- can most] definitely [see the difference.] But you tell /RD-NAME-2/ to take you over there one day.	1211.0945
1192	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1207.0518	[I see.]	1207.6533
1194		1208.4320	[Mm-hm.]	1208.9589
1196		1211.0945	Okay, yeah [cause we-]	1212.1437
1197	DCB_int_01	1211.6028	[Y'all ride] through.	1212.4654
1198	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1212.8851	We had talked about d- doing that, and- and especially at U Street	1216.4044
1199	DCB_int_01	1216.7635	[Mm.]	1217.0759
1200	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1216.8707	[because] I was more-	1217.8266
1201		1218.6473	As- as a older person, I was more familiar with U Street	1221.7050
1203		1221.9474	than I was Seventh-	1222.9546
1205		1223.0992	I mean uh, H.	1223.9851
1206	DCB_int_01	1224.2229	Mm.	1224.4981
1207	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1224.4747	H was when I was a younger ch- was like, a child really.	1227.3413
1208		1228.0314	<clears throat> Now,	1228.7028
1210		1228.8567	cause when we moved from that area,	1230.3535
1212		1230.7965	I was	1231.3094
1214		1231.5507	ten. I was eleven.	1232.6558
1216		1233.2713	Yeah, eleven.	1233.9055
1218		1234.5256	So but I- When I went	1235.7800
1220		1235.9572	to H Street, it was with-	1237.1928
1222		1237.2814	usually with my sisters or my mother or whatever	1239.6210
1224		1239.8262	cause we-	1240.1060
1226		1240.6236	we would go to the different stores down there.	1242.2556
1228		1242.7359	But U Street I remember	1244.3994
1230		1245.5324	<ts>	1245.6071
1232		1245.6956	as in /RD-SCHOOL-2/ high school, we would go down- we would	1247.8313
1234		1248.1810	sneak out and go to Ben's Chili Bowl and	1250.2641
1236		1250.3854	t- you know.	1250.9682
1238		1251.4392	So	1251.8728
1240		1252.1946	and- and come on down to the Florida Avenue Grill right below [um],	1256.1009
1241	DCB_int_01	1255.7419	[Mm-hm.]	1256.1243
1242	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1256.3900	/RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1256.9636
1244		1257.5604	And so I- <clears throat> I remember those places	1259.9758
1246		1260.8897	more than I do s-	1261.7104
1248		1261.9191	H Street.	1262.4087
1249	DCB_int_01	1262.8470	What was the experience on U Street?	1264.3671
1251		1264.4930	That was one of the very first places I did research was U Street.	1267.2534
1252	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1267.3001	Mm-hm.	1267.6964
1254		1268.5439	Um,	1269.0522
1256		1269.5045	most of my experience was before the riots	1272.0038
1258		1272.3955	in-	1272.7918
1260		1273.6346	Well all of it r- actually.	1275.1594
1262		1275.7190	And like I say, we would go to t-	1277.2297
1264		1277.4302	Ben's Chili Bowl. We'd go to the theaters there, the Booker T	1280.4507
1266		1280.8983	and the Lincoln Theatre.	1282.3531
1268		1282.9064	And we'd go there, u- those places.	1284.7498
1270		1285.2441	Um,	1285.7570
1272		1287.0895	uh- uh,	1287.9894
1274		1288.3951	my fath- my stepfather had a friend that had um,	1291.1462
1276		1291.6918	a photography place there called Scurlock. /I don't know if that is- was in your/	1295.3976
1278		1295.6820	s-	1295.8173
1280		1296.3815	research?	1296.9597
1281	DCB_int_01	1297.2534	[/Mm-mm/.]	1297.4819
1282	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1297.2721	[Sc-]	1297.5332
1283		1297.6545	He was a black uh,	1298.7864
1285		1299.4672	photographer,	1300.2086
1287		1300.7215	very-	1301.0759
1289		1301.2764	very big I think I've heard,	1302.8851
1291		1302.9690	that	1303.2115
1293		1303.4388	you know, a lot of people used his service so.	1305.5324
1295		1306.2086	I remember going	1307.1714
1297		1307.4582	to that studio to have pictures taken. I remember um,	1310.5206
1299		1311.6677	uh, the um,	1312.6049
1301		1313.7054	/started/-	1314.1763
1303		1314.3488	No um-	1314.9084
1305		1315.8445	What's the Mason's	1316.8284
1307		1316.9822	um-	1317.2387
1309		1319.4023	They had a place down there.	1320.6939
1311		1320.8991	I think they still did too.	1322.1989
1313		1323.2620	Uh-	1323.6257
1314	DCB_int_01	1323.9661	On U Street?	1324.5490
1315	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1324.9267	Mm-hm.	1325.3230
1317		1326.5214	Masonic Temple,	1327.4481
1318	DCB_int_01	1327.5461	[Mm-hm.]	1328.0030
1319	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1327.6300	[the uh-huh] Yeah.	1328.5719
1320		1329.1314	And my stepfather was a	1330.4184
1322		1330.5863	thirty third degree Mason.	1332.3255
1324		1333.0250	And so we went there for their activities and	1335.6630
1326		1335.9521	/it was/ so-	1336.4650
1328		1337.6587	It was mainly the kind of places I remember on from U Street.	1340.7953
1329	DCB_int_01	1341.2760	Do you remember-	1342.2272
1331		1342.8194	Cause I've- I've never	1343.7567
1333		1343.8965	quite got the story, and maybe you can give it to me.	1346.4227
1335		1347.9148	After the riots, I know Ben's was one of the only places that didn't get	1351.7792
1337		1351.9331	destroyed. [Do you remember] that?	1353.9941
1338	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1352.9076	[Mm, mm, mm.]	1353.4812
1339		1354.2832	I do.	1354.7168
1341		1354.8474	I remember that.	1355.5655
1343		1356.7079	That- You m- Do I remember that it didn't get [destroyed?]	1359.0848
1344	DCB_int_01	1358.8750	[Mm-hm.]	1359.3599
1345	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1359.4065	Uh-huh, I do remember [that.]	1360.6469
1346	DCB_int_01	1360.4790	[And] what-	1360.9313
1347		1361.1831	Why?	1361.5095
1349		1361.6867	Why do you think that was the case?	1363.2943
1350	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1364.9263	[/<yawn>/]	1365.5324
1351	DCB_int_01	1364.9263	[From your opinion] or from what you saw?	1367.1289
1352	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1368.1110	I think	1368.6566
1354		1369.0110	maybe- I think a big part of it was the relationship that the-	1372.3391
1356		1372.5723	the owners had built up with the community there.	1375.1369
1358		1375.7512	I think um-	1376.5765
1360		1378.0780	I don't know if things happened- if- if	1380.3955
1362		1380.5820	people came in	1381.5507
1364		1381.9564	that maybe couldn't afford food and was given food.	1384.6657
1366		1384.7448	That may have happened. I don't know,	1386.2836
1368		1386.7219	but I think that	1387.4633
1370		1387.9098	those um-	1388.6092
1372		1389.0848	Cause it- You know, you could go in there and they knew who you were.	1391.5795
1374		1392.5400	And y- y- I- I think they built up a good relationship with-	1395.4019
1376		1395.5837	t- with the uh, community.	1396.9500
1377	DCB_int_01	1397.5888	Mm.	1398.0877
1378	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1398.2276	I think that's a big chunk of it.	1399.5612
1380		1400.0263	And they, <clears throat> provided a good service,	1402.2432
1382		1402.3158	you know.	1402.7168
1384		1404.0271	But some of the other places did too, so why did-	1406.3714
1386		1406.9263	I'm not really sure why they chose not to-	1409.0153
1388		1409.1645	didn't choose to tear that up	1410.3162
1390		1410.5493	too.	1410.7872
1391	DCB_int_01	1412.0496	Let me ask you this, what do you feel like,	1414.1340
1393		1414.2972	<clears throat>	1414.7168
1395		1415.0712	with so many	1415.9432
1397		1416.0877	people- Or how do you feel that so many people	1418.4926
1399		1419.2573	being forced out of their homes,	1421.2437
1401		1422.0224	um-	1422.5540
1403		1424.7864	In- in trying to clean up the city,	1426.3904
1405		1426.7495	a lot of people are being forced out	1428.3582
1407		1429.0250	um, because they can't afford to live in the city.	1430.9263
1409		1431.3832	But the city is kind of getting this facelift, so	1433.7435
1411		1434.5960	talk about how you feel about the city getting a facelift, but also people being forced out. Cause it's like a good bad thing happening at the same time.	1441.6311
1412	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1441.5655	Mm-hm.	1442.3201
1413		1442.5952	Mm-hm.	1443.1314
1415		1443.8745	<ts>	1443.9817
1417		1444.5070	Well,	1444.7588
1419		1445.7613	definitely <laugh>	1446.9923
1421		1447.7244	they're not re-	1448.6139
1423		1448.7817	uh,	1449.1175
1425		1449.6863	facelifting	1450.6282
1427		1450.8940	the city	1451.4380
1429		1452.1017	for	1452.6100
1431		1453.7197	people that can't afford it.	1454.9309
1433		1455.7376	I mean, it's- it- To m- It- It seems like to me that they're definitely	1458.8804
1435		1459.9797	steering toward	1460.9542
1437		1461.7003	the high high	1462.9043
1439		1463.1458	high	1463.6401
1441		1463.7567	end,	1464.0924
1443		1464.2136	the highest end, you know.	1465.4913
1445		1465.8165	You got to have- make big /buck/-	1467.1280
1447		1467.2713	bucks to live	1468.1233
1449		1468.2552	in those condominiums,	1469.8499
1451		1470.7172	and um,	1471.4027
1453		1472.0869	even t- t- looking at the office places and stuff, they just	1475.2484
1455		1475.4069	probably big	1475.9572
1457		1476.1623	paying jobs	1477.1975
1459		1477.5472	in those places, you know.	1478.7957
1461		1479.2760	You gotta have some kind of education.	1480.9826
1463		1481.1924	Y- Degrees nowadays, a high school diploma don't get it.	1484.2781
1465		1484.5439	/Well I don't feel like something sliding out/.	1485.7749
1467		1486.2645	A [high school] diploma doesn't get it,	1487.8686
1468	DCB_int_01	1486.5256	[/Right/.]	1486.8474
1469	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1487.9572	so you need degrees to get- you can get the jobs that are in the city [down there, I] think.	1493.1645
1470	DCB_int_01	1492.1573	[/Mm-hm/.]	1492.5676
1471	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1493.6914	And so	1494.2696
1473		1496.9496	it's- it's unfortunate that we're being	1499.2204
1475		1499.6308	pushed out.	1500.1996
1477		1502.0123	Um,	1502.3527
1479		1502.8750	I say we, but I- I- I feel like it's we.	1505.2950
1481		1505.9805	It's directed toward	1507.1369
1483		1507.9424	low income black people.	1509.1221
1485		1509.8029	And they- they're not building it up for low income black people.	1512.5856
1487		1513.9199	For black people, unless you have a lot of money. There are a lot of us that do have a lot of money, but	1518.3530
1489		1520.0683	it's ch- it's definitely shifting	1521.7842
1491		1521.9148	<laugh>	1522.3205
1493		1523.5049	t- all the way-	1524.3069
1495		1524.7079	all the way around, it's shifting.	1526.1441
1496	DCB_int_01	1526.5393	Mm-hm.	1526.9542
1497	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1527.1454	[Mm.]	1527.6863
1498	DCB_int_01	1527.1501	[Especially] like, you can see most definitely in-	1529.2764
1499		1529.6447	on the other side of the river.	1531.2068
1500	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1531.4493	Mm-hm.	1531.9762
1501	DCB_int_01	1532.0357	And so now we're starting to see it in	1533.9474
1503		1535.1225	the Northeast,	1535.9805
1504	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1535.9665	Mm-hm.	1536.3395
1505	DCB_int_01	1536.4001	[Southeast.]	1537.3933
1506	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1536.7498	[Southeast.] Yeah.	1537.7850
1507	DCB_int_01	1538.3201	And I don't know how that's gonna affect-	1540.4184
1508	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1540.3298	Yeah.	1540.7588
1509		1540.8940	It's l- it- it's like it's a takeover. [<laugh>]	1543.7384
1510	DCB_int_01	1543.2208	[Mm.]	1543.6498
1511	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1543.8305	/So/ it's like,	1544.5019
1513		1545.1408	well you know, to come to Southeast,	1547.3510
1515		1547.4722	cause	1547.7940
1517		1547.9572	uh-	1548.1250
1519		1548.2323	they not building those places up	1550.0077
1521		1551.2713	for us to come-	1552.1806
1523		1552.3112	to- to remain in 'em,	1553.3836
1525		1553.5049	you know?	1553.9338
1527		1554.4095	So it's-	1554.9410
1529		1555.6171	it's-	1555.8689
1531		1556.6372	it's gonna be all- predominantly white	1558.4790
1533		1559.6168	in a matter of years.	1560.7079
1535		1561.5239	[/And so that's-/]	1562.0042
1536	DCB_int_01	1561.6393	[What do you-]	1561.9890
1537		1562.1895	What do you think about the violence that's going on? Like,	1564.6236
1539		1564.8520	/espe-/ I know,	1565.7660
1541		1566.1577	um,	1566.5074
1543		1567.2161	when I've talked to some people, they talk about the violence they see.	1570.0360
1545		1570.5816	Do you feel like- And I know, /RD-NAME-2/ lives in DC,	1573.5880
1547		1574.4134	do you feel like you see a lot of violence? Or do you feel like,	1576.7774
1549		1576.9173	he's in a lot of violence, do you worry about [that?]	1579.2441
1550	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1579.0716	[Oh] Lord, yes. Every day,	1580.7118
1551		1581.1548	I pray for him.	1582.0827
1553		1582.9220	I pray for that whole	1584.3908
1555		1584.9737	/RD-WORK-3/,	1585.7617
1557		1585.8725	the whole	1586.3900
1559		1586.6512	/RD-WORK-1/.	1587.0941
1561		1587.9847	You know, that /God v- could-/ cause	1589.5235
1563		1590.5447	people today are so-	1592.0776
1565		1593.2853	They a- They don't have any	1594.8847
1567		1595.3463	s- sense of- of humanity. No um-	1598.0928
1569		1598.5532	No- They don't care about people. They don't care about themselves	1601.7567
1571		1601.8639	to do the things that they're doing.	1603.2907
1573		1603.4353	I don't think.	1604.2035
1575		1604.8190	And so yes, I worry about him every day	1607.6214
1577		1607.8033	cause he's in the heart of it.	1609.0902
1579		1610.3854	He's	1610.6418
1581		1610.7631	in the heart of it (laughing),	1611.7190
1583		1612.1899	and I- I just pray, Lord, let him-	1614.1437
1585		1614.4561	let something come where he can	1615.8037
1587		1616.3994	at least move away from some- I know he wants to stay in close to his job, bu	1620.8588
1589		1621.7151	I don't know.	1622.1907
1591		1622.8796	So,	1623.1641
1593		1623.9195	but the- the- the violence now,	1625.7567
1595		1626.2276	especially here in the last few	1628.1196
1597		1628.4367	months,	1629.0475
1599		1629.2620	weeks?	1629.7796
1601		1632.4794	And I hate 'em talk- You know, hear 'em on the news, and they talking about	1636.0547
1603		1636.1293	/under/ the violence and what's causing it.	1637.9945
1605		1638.5307	And then someone-	1639.2255
1607		1639.3793	I've heard somebody say,	1640.6045
1609		1640.7398	which,	1641.0335
1611		1641.1781	t- is kind of close to what I feel- that right now,	1643.5981
1613		1643.9991	after all of these um,	1645.3747
1615		1645.9004	<ts>	1645.9844
1617		1646.5299	police attacks on young black men,	1648.4277
1619		1649.4676	and	1649.8546
1621		1650.8151	that the police are getting	1652.0123
1623		1652.1429	you know,	1652.5859
1625		1652.9123	really getting to see what they're doing,	1654.9127
1627		1655.0339	is coming out.	1655.8452
1629		1656.9224	And so now maybe the police are kind of pulling back and saying,	1660.1246
1631		1660.6702	w- You know, we don't wanna do something that's gonna get us	1662.9364
1633		1663.0529	caught up in anything.	1664.2781
1634	DCB_int_01	1664.2968	/Right/.	1664.6418
1635	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1664.7211	And so we'll just	1665.9288
1637		1666.2132	let them-	1666.9080
1639		1667.1318	<laugh> It's black on black, let 'em- lot of it is black on black.	1670.1569
1641		1670.7071	Let him kill hisself. Hey.	1671.8449
1643		1673.2158	And so	1673.7100
1645		1674.2136	by them pulling back, then- then	1675.9377
1647		1676.0496	poor little crazy,	1676.9542
1649		1677.5185	young folk- or not- not just young folk cause the last	1680.3535
1651		1680.4607	few things I've hard standing out uh, about	1683.0755
1653		1683.5324	somebody shooting all- the people went in the theater shooting up some- They were in their fifties, so you can't put it all on [young people.]	1689.0941
1654	DCB_int_01	1688.3014	[Just young people.]	1689.1361
1655		1689.2620	Yeah.	1689.5231
1656	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1689.5884	You- And so it says like, people just	1691.5002
1658		1691.8219	giving up. They don't care.	1692.9877
1660		1693.5227	You know,	1693.8538
1662		1693.9284	if the police gonna pull back, hey, yeah, we gonna go out and do what we wanna do.	1697.0945
1664		1697.7660	That's what I think some people may be thinking.	1700.0275
1665	DCB_int_01	1700.3341	Mm-hm.	1700.8141
1666	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1700.8237	And so that's-	1701.4951
1668		1702.4231	you know, they-	1702.9500
1670		1704.4607	Something is missing up here anyway, and so now this is just kicking 'em over the edge.	1708.7079
1672		1709.7893	And it's- it's-	1710.8478
1674		1711.2115	it's- it's sad. It's scary.	1713.3739
1676		1714.7821	It's- it's unfortunate.	1715.8686
1678		1716.1763	And I just hate to see so many of our young folks	1719.1827
1680		1719.3180	caught up in all of this.	1720.5629
1681	DCB_int_01	1720.8147	Yeah.	1721.2111
1683		1721.3323	It's- it's-	1722.1483
1685		1723.2488	I listened to some stories, so I was talking to some teens yesterday,	1726.3485
1687		1727.8173	just to hear-	1728.6659
1689		1729.7279	I can't imagine	1730.8097
1691		1731.9148	you know-	1732.2785
1693		1732.8381	I didn't grow up with a lot of money, but I can't imagine just	1735.6265
1695		1736.3807	somebody just got murdered next door to me.	1738.1876
1697		1738.3951	Like I can't imagine- [Or] while I'm	1740.1437
1698	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1739.3790	[Mm.]	1739.6447
1699	DCB_int_01	1740.2649	walking down the street,	1741.2954
1701		1741.4166	somebody on the other side of the street is getting shot [or]	1743.6583
1702	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1743.5371	[Shot.]	1743.8962
1703		1744.0174	Yeah.	1744.3298
1704	DCB_int_01	1744.6655	up-	1744.8614
1706		1744.9733	you know,	1745.4256
1708		1745.9711	beat up or actually-	1747.0933
1710		1747.7885	It- it-	1748.3667
1712		1748.7118	I c- It's just unfathomable to me.	1750.3718
1714		1750.8241	Like I just like- Oh my [goodness.]	1752.9737
1715	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1752.4281	[Yes], I know.	1753.5239
1716	DCB_int_01	1753.5379	But this is their everyday [experience.]	1755.3180
1717	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1754.8423	[Every] day.	1755.5837
1718		1755.6956	That's right.	1756.1806
1719	DCB_int_01	1756.9640	And I just s- f-	1757.6214
1721		1757.7753	get more-	1758.5167
1722	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1759.0751	[How do they] deal [with it?]	1760.3154
1723	DCB_int_01	1759.0856	[it takes-]	1759.6393
1725		1760.0730	[It-]	1760.2921
1726	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1760.7724	How are they dealing with it?	1762.1759
1727	DCB_int_01	1762.2365	I don't know.	1762.6795
1729		1764.0458	Only by God's Grace cause I cannot-	1766.0601
1731		1767.2247	I was just shaken up listening,	1768.8940
1733		1769.7147	and I can only imagine like,	1771.4621
1735		1772.3434	what it's like to live and walk in that /hood/. You know, like, the-	1775.1542
1737		1775.5188	the boy gets /??/, so he got to watch his back as he's walking from the Metro	1779.0667
1739		1779.3692	or from the bus.	1780.3904
1741		1785.1827	And [that's their reality.]	1786.3858
1742	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1785.2946	[/That sounds so- s-/ That's] their reality.	1787.1225
1743		1788.0318	It's like um, when I saw the video of	1790.6267
1745		1791.0988	the young man being beat on the train, on the subway train.	1794.0131
1747		1796.7258	<laugh>	1797.1408
1749		1797.4765	People say, if I was on that train, you know, what-	1799.5935
1751		1800.0691	what-	1800.2276
1753		1801.1136	what do you do?	1801.7776
1754	DCB_int_01	1802.4413	Right.	1802.8144
1756		1803.1921	But you don't know if you wanna get involved because you don't want them to	1805.5655
1758		1805.9292	[escalate it and hurt other people] [or do you-]	1808.1394
1759	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1806.2836	[That's- that's right.]	1807.3793
1761		1807.5845	[That's right.]	1808.2005
1762	DCB_int_01	1808.2735	What do you do? What do you sa- It's- It's tough.	1810.3811
1764		1810.5070	[It's-]	1810.9826
1765	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1810.5210	[It is.]	1811.3976
1766	DCB_int_01	1811.5561	It's-	1812.0504
1768		1812.9644	[You know], I think it has to get a little darker before we see the dawn, [but]	1816.6562
1769	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1813.0098	[/Well you-/]	1813.2803
1771		1816.4091	[Mm-hm.]	1817.0292
1772	DCB_int_01	1818.7778	I just pray that we-	1819.7057
1774		1819.9377	we [get /dawn/.]	1820.4962
1775	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1820.0403	[An- And that's-]	1820.5719
1776		1820.7164	That's the word right there,	1821.5884
1778		1821.6956	pray.	1821.9708
1780		1822.1386	We gotta pray like never before.	1824.2556
1781	DCB_int_01	1824.4887	Mm-hm.	1824.8804
1782	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1825.3922	And the Bible say, pray without [ceasing.]	1827.6210
1783	DCB_int_01	1826.9449	[Ceasing.]	1827.5931
1784		1827.8542	[Yes.]	1828.2645
1785	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1827.9055	[And we got] to do- We	1828.9495
1786		1829.2158	I mean the church	1830.1782
1788		1830.2649	to me-	1830.7172
1790		1831.3514	And then I know the churches- Not all the churches are not- not doing anything. A lot of them are out there doing	1836.5913
1791	DCB_int_01	1836.8198	Right.	1837.1275
1792	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1837.3607	what they supposed to be doing.	1838.4134
1794		1838.9030	But I think	1839.4485
1796		1839.6397	i-	1839.7423
1798		1839.9148	they /just need/- They just need to raise up like,	1842.0644
1800		1842.5752	Cedric woulda done (laughing),	1844.2280
1802		1844.6978	the lion. <laugh>	1845.5511
1804		1845.9894	Just [raise up.]	1847.0292
1805	DCB_int_01	1846.5769	[Raise up.]	1847.0712
1806	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1847.4163	And we're the church, and we-	1848.7219
1808		1849.4726	we not gonna take this anymore.	1850.9916
1810		1851.1221	We, you know,	1851.7842
1812		1852.2645	pray. I mean, come together.	1853.8779
1814		1854.2975	Put all these denominations	1855.6265
1816		1855.7279	down. Everybody just that know	1857.7796
1818		1858.3624	a higher-	1858.9686
1820		1859.1365	or know God	1860.0691
1822		1860.2090	come together and pray pray pray.	1862.1942
1823	DCB_int_01	1863.3319	[That's the only] way we gonna make it.	1864.6173
1824	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1863.3553	[I mean-]	1863.7936
1825		1864.6655	That's the only way.	1865.7054
1826	DCB_int_01	1865.7427	That's the only way we gonna make it. I- It's- Mm.	1868.4180
1828		1869.1454	So I'm'a ask you a couple more questions. We gonna	1871.2297
1830		1872.1064	end it on a lighter note.	1873.2721
1832		1875.8915	Were you familiar with go go music?	1877.5208
1833	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1877.9898	<laugh> Little bit.	1879.0156
1834	DCB_int_01	1879.6171	A little bit, but you were- you were mostly-	1881.7469
1836		1882.2272	You weren't real big into go go.	1883.8592
1837	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1884.2509	No.	1884.5167
1839		1884.8338	I was into the	1886.0275
1841		1886.9542	uh, Motown stuff.	1888.0221
1843		1888.7914	That's- That was my thing.	1890.0831
1844	DCB_int_01	1890.2929	[Uh-huh.]	1890.6333
1845	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1890.4701	[Isley] Brothers and	1891.9098
1846		1892.7677	Teddy Pendergrass and Isaac Hayes, that kind of music.	1895.6864
1847	DCB_int_01	1896.7778	And	1897.1695
1849		1897.4295	what about	1898.1849
1851		1898.5812	um, mumbo sauce?	1900.0780
1853		1900.4744	[Do you eat a lot of mumbo] sauce?	1901.7846
1854	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1900.4837	[Oh yeah.]	1901.2670
1855		1901.8173	I didn't eat a lot,	1902.5773
1857		1902.7545	but I like it. [<laugh>]	1904.5393
1858	DCB_int_01	1904.3387	[Now] what is mumbo sauce to you?	1905.8029
1859	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1906.6049	To me, it's um-	1907.7193
1861		1908.3908	I think it's a combination of-	1910.0123
1863		1910.2035	It's- it's got some hot sauce in it,	1912.0594
1865		1912.2272	and it's got some ketchup in it.	1913.5049
1867		1915.7652	Something that make it sweet,	1917.0662
1869		1917.2480	you know.	1917.7376
1871		1918.2738	That's my idea of mumbo-	1919.2158
1873		1919.4256	That's how I would make mumbo sauce.	1920.9270
1874	DCB_int_01	1921.1788	Mm-hm.	1921.6591
1876		1921.8491	Now did you have a favorite place that you went to get your mumbo sauce?	1924.4744
1877	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1925.4489	Uh,	1926.0178
1879		1926.1157	n- but it wasn't in DC.	1927.7011
1881		1928.0590	<laugh>	1928.8983
1882	DCB_int_01	1928.9449	Oh where'd you get it from?	1929.9614
1883	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1929.9801	It was a place on-	1931.3323
1885		1931.4909	on um-	1931.9572
1887		1934.3667	What is it, Eastern Avenue?	1935.6677
1889		1936.1433	Right-	1936.3671
1891		1936.5583	Right at Chillum-	1937.4116
1893		1938.2416	Chillum Road.	1938.9504
1894	DCB_int_01	1939.0996	Mm-hm.	1939.4009
1895	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1940.2496	It was /called/ Hung Far, that was the name of it. It was a little Chinese carry out.	1943.8843
1897		1945.0360	And when you-	1945.4184
1899		1945.6795	Like, when you going up	1946.6308
1901		1946.9665	Eastern Avenue and you- y- you come across Chillum,	1949.6045
1903		1950.0335	and there's a little shopping place right here.	1951.9173
1905		1952.8126	They're not there anymore, but	1953.9690
1907		1954.1509	they had the best mumbo sauce.	1956.7096
1908	DCB_int_01	1957.4417	And what would you normally order?	1958.6970
1909	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1959.7219	The six piece wings. [<laugh>]	1961.9636
1910	DCB_int_01	1961.5206	[The six] piece wings with the mumbo [sauce.]	1963.4464
1911	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1963.0454	[With the mumbo] sauce.	1964.0805
1912	DCB_int_01	1964.2251	Did you do fries or fried [rice?]	1965.6799
1913	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1965.3255	[Fries.]	1965.9970
1914		1966.1497	Fries.	1966.6020
1915	DCB_int_01	1966.5740	Okay, I'm- This fried rice thing is kind of weird to me.	1969.3951
1916	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1969.5117	I [know (laughing)- <laugh>] That's right. <laugh>	1973.0823
1917	DCB_int_01	1969.9173	[Chicken and mumbo sau- I- That's a little weird.]	1972.0949
1918		1973.1522	Um,	1973.6278
1919	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1973.8936	<laugh>	1974.3366
1920	DCB_int_01	1975.1573	have you ever been a tourist in your own town? You know, like people	1978.6546
1922		1978.8025	come from	1979.4399
1924		1979.9309	all over the [place to] see the [monuments and] the museums,	1982.6214
1925	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1980.4205	[Mm-hm.]	1981.0733
1927		1981.5023	[Mm-hm.]	1981.9686
1928	DCB_int_01	1983.0411	and it's right in your backyard. Have you ever been a tourist in your own back [yard?]	1986.5931
1929	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	1986.3739	[<ts>]	1986.5511
1930		1986.7096	Yup.	1987.0314
1932		1987.5956	I- when I was much younger,	1989.1810
1934		1989.4794	we would go.	1989.9550
1936		1990.3642	My- that's one thing my father loved to do was go down to Smithsonian.	1994.0572
1938		1994.9012	And I remember one Sunday after church us going down to the-	1998.0382
1940		1998.6304	the museum, the big red museum down	2000.6308
1942		2000.7940	on Seventh [Street?]	2001.6892
1943	DCB_int_01	2001.3349	[Mm], the Castle.	2002.3187
1944	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2002.3047	He- [Yeah.]	2003.0263
1945	DCB_int_01	2002.6486	[Mm-hm.]	2003.1429
1946	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2003.7864	And I loved going in there. And we- we have been there several times.	2007.2098
1948		2007.6613	And we	2008.0576
1950		2008.2907	gone to- And I've been to the	2009.7584
1952		2010.0475	Air and Space,	2010.9568
1954		2011.7721	and I've been um-	2012.8266
1956		2013.0131	I've been up the monument stairs.	2015.0310
1958		2015.2921	I walked the monument stairs. I was sixteen.	2017.9276
1960		2018.1551	<laugh>	2019.1064
1961	DCB_int_01	2019.4561	I n- [have] yet to walk them.	2020.8456
1962	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2019.6939	[I-]	2019.9317
1963		2021.0590	Oh! (sighing)	2021.5019
1965		2022.0009	It was- and it was fun because one thing, they-	2024.0246
1967		2024.1831	they kind of stretch out. Like, they're not tall.	2026.4959
1969		2026.9564	They were	2027.2875
1971		2027.4087	you know, kind of like this. So you wasn't	2029.0314
1973		2029.1713	climbing so much.	2030.1738
1975		2031.1856	But we did- I don't remember how long it took us to get up there.	2033.8843
1977		2034.0055	It was about- And it was about six of us.	2036.1411
1979		2036.9105	Yup, we walked up those steps.	2038.6358
1981		2039.4460	<ts>	2039.5812
1983		2039.6512	So that was a fun thing.	2040.8309
1985		2041.5350	And um-	2042.0950
1987		2043.0737	Where else did I used to go?	2044.2068
1989		2045.6372	Those were the main places I went.	2047.1806
1990	DCB_int_01	2047.5163	Have you been to MLK since it's been opened?	2049.7070
1991	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2050.4959	The library?	2051.0026
1992	DCB_int_01	2051.1009	[No], no, the-	2051.8223
1993	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2051.1103	[No.]	2051.3341
1994		2051.9776	[Oh, no, the-] Mm-hm.	2053.0873
1995	DCB_int_01	2051.9822	[/it's- that's the-/]	2052.6769
1996	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2053.3065	No I haven't been down there [yet.]	2054.5841
1997	DCB_int_01	2054.4442	[Oh] my God.	2055.1157
1998	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2055.3302	I know l- [I've heard], and I've seen pictures.	2057.9123
1999	DCB_int_01	2055.8851	[It's-]	2056.3141
2001		2057.7631	I think	2058.1268
2002		2058.5185	personally, I	2059.3158
2004		2059.5629	think that night time is the [best.]	2061.1670
2005	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2061.0458	[Mm.]	2061.4095
2006	DCB_int_01	2061.5960	[There's a certain]	2062.4446
2007	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2061.7498	[Mm-hm.]	2062.1928
2008	DCB_int_01	2062.6067	<ts>	2062.7792
2010		2063.5626	just [spirit and]	2065.4883
2011	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2064.8542	[Mm.]	2065.5536
2012	DCB_int_01	2066.5375	a certain tone and	2068.3047
2014		2069.0869	just this feeling comes over you. Like,	2071.4374
2016		2072.0572	this is history [remembered, what we've come through.]	2074.7279
2017	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2073.1157	[I bet it's awesome.]	2074.6197
2018		2074.7372	[Yes.]	2075.3994
2019	DCB_int_01	2075.0730	[I- I] went	2075.5063
2020		2075.6931	this- actually the same day,	2076.8728
2022		2077.2132	I went in the day time, and it was awesome.	2078.9758
2024		2079.0551	It was amazing.	2079.8245
2026		2080.4353	But at night, there's some- And it wasn't a lot of people.	2082.6956
2028		2082.8635	It was really quiet,	2083.9826
2030		2084.1598	just very reverent,	2085.3162
2031	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2085.3302	Mm.	2085.7872
2032	DCB_int_01	2086.6405	just [kind of-] and-	2087.5626
2033	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2086.9611	[Mm.]	2087.3108
2034	DCB_int_01	2087.6978	I c- [I just can't even explain-]	2089.2319
2035	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2087.8377	[Probably had the lights set up.]	2089.2226
2036	DCB_int_01	2089.7308	Yeah, I can't even explain it, and [you read] these quotes. And it's like you can just hear his [voice.]	2094.2527
2037	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2091.1530	[Mm.]	2091.6146
2039		2093.7164	[Mm.]	2094.1734
2040		2094.4205	Mm.	2094.6490
2041	DCB_int_01	2094.6537	And you can just think about our people and how far we've come. It's just a beautiful- So if you ever get a chance,	2100.6350
2043		2101.8894	just-	2102.1785
2045		2102.6447	just go down there and-	2104.0047
2047		2104.2395	and even if you just go and- and sit, there's- there's a lot of little	2107.6282
2049		2107.9779	benches and things	2108.9711
2051		2109.0877	there.	2109.4468
2053		2109.5773	/?/	2109.8198
2055		2109.9690	you know, like you can sit along the little wall thing.	2112.0941
2056	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2112.2014	Mm-hm.	2112.6630
2057	DCB_int_01	2113.2878	Just take a- some time, and just kind of breathe it in. Especially think about the riots, and think about all the s- memories. Like you were living it. You lived [this.]	2121.1297
2058	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2120.8126	[Mm-hm.]	2121.4281
2059	DCB_int_01	2121.4141	For [me, it's just-] I can only read about it	2123.3434
2060	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2121.6659	[Mm-hm.]	2122.0763
2061		2123.3807	Mm-hm.	2123.8936
2062	DCB_int_01	2123.9589	and hear these stories.	2125.2365
2064		2126.3417	But it just does something to me.	2127.6613
2066		2128.1369	Something,	2128.3968
2067	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2128.3642	I know.	2128.8118
2068	DCB_int_01	2128.8072	like,	2129.1895
2069	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2129.4646	[Mm.]	2129.6838
2070	DCB_int_01	2129.5113	[it's something] beautiful, something amazing, but something that makes you just wanna	2133.3582
2071		2133.6100	say, I got to	2134.3793
2073		2134.4913	[call to action] [and I can- You] know,	2136.0801
2074	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2134.4994	[Yes.]	2135.0217
2076		2135.2781	[Yes.]	2135.8330
2077	DCB_int_01	2136.4578	it didn't end with Martin Luther King.	2138.5608
2078	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2138.4769	That's right.	2138.9945
2079	DCB_int_01	2139.0318	You know,	2139.3535
2080	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2139.3535	That's right.	2139.8478
2081	DCB_int_01	2139.8571	I have a responsibility.	2141.3864
2083		2141.6418	And I think that's what I felt there. I felt like I need to do what I gotta do,	2145.4514
2084	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2145.6799	Mm-hm.	2146.0231
2085	DCB_int_01	2145.9643	and	2146.6218
2086		2146.9471	that may be listening to people's stories and- and talking about people's experiences or	2152.2954
2088		2152.6032	working with the kids or whatever it is, but I have to do something. I have to be [socially responsible] [like he was.] And that's what I feel [there.]	2159.6885
2089	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2156.7846	[Mm-hm.]	2157.1716
2091		2157.6613	[Mm.]	2158.2628
2093		2159.5812	[Mm-hm.]	2160.0941
2094	DCB_int_01	2160.3040	Um,	2160.5837
2096		2160.9241	it's so [wonderful.]	2161.7969
2097	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2161.1992	[And that's what] monuments are supposed to do.	2163.1577
2098	DCB_int_01	2163.0877	They [supposed to invoke] [all of that], [bring that back] to you.	2165.7724
2099	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2163.4328	[/They supposed to/]	2163.9737
2101		2164.1042	[Mm-hm.]	2164.6125
2103		2164.7850	[That's right.]	2165.2500
2104		2165.7957	That's right.	2166.2527
2105	DCB_int_01	2166.3319	And I think that um,	2167.8008
2107		2169.0831	it would be great if you- if you had that s- experience, and [just and kind of], what you feel when you go there.	2173.8894
2108	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2171.7817	[Yeah.]	2172.2667
2109	DCB_int_01	2174.4163	And um,	2175.4934
2111		2176.0156	do you feel like-	2177.1056
2113		2177.3248	And my last one is	2178.6071
2115		2178.7469	um,	2179.1153
2117		2179.3112	Eastern Market.	2180.0479
2119		2180.2158	I know you said you used to go there a lot. [Do you still go there] now?	2182.7430
2120	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2181.8897	[Mm.]	2182.3747
2121		2182.9797	I haven't been since um,	2184.6723
2123		2184.7749	they've redone it.	2185.5629
2125		2186.3790	Um,	2186.7986
2127		2187.1670	actually, I haven't been since I left the area,	2189.6791
2129		2189.8330	since [I left] the school there.	2191.2226
2130	DCB_int_01	2190.0289	[Mm-hm.]	2190.3506
2131	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2191.5350	Um,	2191.8241
2133		2195.0030	mm-mm. I haven't been back.	2196.3086
2135		2196.9241	So I don't know- I- I don't /want/-	2198.5795
2137		2198.9851	know what it looks like.	2200.0483
2139		2200.6824	I just remember that	2201.7164
2141		2202.0988	the old Eastern Market was s- was wonderful.	2204.8825
2143		2205.0551	<laugh>	2205.3535
2145		2205.6006	It was a wonderful place to just go, walk around.	2208.5138
2147		2209.6469	You could get those big fat	2210.8126
2149		2211.0131	juicy fresh donuts. [<laugh>]	2213.0593
2150	DCB_int_01	2212.5752	[Mm.]	2213.0403
2151	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2213.2076	And then-	2213.5486
2153		2213.6605	and then like I say, the big barrel had the	2215.7262
2155		2216.6447	f- um,	2217.1950
2157		2217.6799	Utz potato chips [and you'd get a] white paper bag filled with p- p- potato chips.	2222.1558
2158	DCB_int_01	2218.8491	[Mm-hm.]	2219.4600
2159	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2222.2955	And uh-	2222.7571
2161		2223.4519	and the flowers and the different things.	2225.6807
2163		2225.9418	Yeah, I l- I loved it then.	2227.1950
2165		2227.9504	So I haven't been back.	2228.9156
2167		2229.9368	Mm-mm.	2230.4077
2168	DCB_int_01	2231.2937	If you could leave	2232.1144
2170		2232.3289	one piece of advice-	2233.7546
2172		2234.5146	<ts>	2234.6592
2174		2235.0975	It could be to	2236.1420
2176		2237.6900	kids,	2238.7567
2178		2238.9199	adults- It could be to anybody. Whatever	2241.5451
2180		2242.4404	message you could-	2243.4383
2182		2243.6248	Based on your experiences and how you've lived and	2246.4633
2184		2246.5566	the things you've seen,	2247.6990
2186		2248.5150	what would that piece of advice be?	2250.1004
2187	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2253.2280	Mm.	2253.4658
2189		2257.8851	uh (sighing), I would- /I'm gonna say/- I don't know.	2260.1373
2191		2261.4289	Cause life-	2262.0584
2193		2262.4361	<laugh>	2262.7718
2195		2263.4841	life has so much to offer,	2265.5451
2197		2265.6617	so much to give you.	2266.8274
2199		2267.4476	You know?	2267.8346
2201		2267.9931	And you can't shut your mind off,	2269.8152
2203		2270.2815	to me, to anything. You should-	2271.6197
2205		2271.7363	You got to always keep a open mind,	2273.4149
2207		2274.1563	and ask God to give you-	2275.6147
2209		2275.7779	to touch your heart,	2276.7198
2211		2276.8737	your spirit. /Have to have this/ open	2278.8134
2213		2279.3543	to	2279.6156
2215		2279.7507	pe-	2280.0538
2217		2280.2076	other people and-	2281.4048
2219		2281.6520	and other th- ideas and other things, you know.	2284.4824
2221		2285.0046	And a-	2285.3030
2223		2285.5781	And always,	2286.5154
2225		2287.1018	you know, I- Like I ask God to open-	2289.0415
2227		2289.2700	Let me see	2290.1280
2229		2290.5243	through my spirit, through my heart.	2292.3415
2231		2292.4688	Let me see	2293.1076
2233		2293.4328	like you see.	2294.8792
2235		2295.8342	You know,	2296.1280
2237		2296.2679	people.	2296.7948
2239		2297.2890	And so that I will have a love for life and a love for	2299.9970
2241		2300.0903	people.	2300.5053
2243		2300.9762	And I don't-	2301.3866
2245		2301.4985	So you don't wanna hurt people. You wouldn't wanna hurt anybody.	2304.2076
2247		2304.6413	So	2305.0190
2249		2305.5074	I guess it's s- it's all about love,	2307.5948
2251		2308.2259	and that's what the world need. We got to get back to loving each other	2311.7779
2253		2312.2488	and respecting each other	2313.6803
2255		2314.1746	and looking at people like,	2315.6061
2257		2316.0211	you know-	2316.4221
2259		2317.7452	Put yourself in their place. Would-	2319.3166
2261		2319.5544	Would I wanna deal with this? Would I wanna	2321.2937
2263		2321.6061	receive this from somebody?	2323.0283
2265		2323.6380	So why am I gonna give that to somebody? If I don't wanna get bashed in the head, why am I gonna bash somebody in the head?	2328.9515
2267		2329.4981	You know?	2329.7779
2269		2330.1136	We /got/-	2330.5239
2271		2330.9669	Try to love people. That's what I would-	2332.7202
2273		2332.9347	That's my advice.	2334.0538
2275		2334.2776	Try to	2334.6413
2277		2335.6893	open your spirit up	2336.8084
2279		2337.6197	and your heart up	2338.4637
2281		2338.6409	t-	2338.7015
2283		2339.0279	t-	2339.2004
2285		2339.3497	to other people and to life.	2340.9071
2287		2342.3094	And give	2343.0229
2289		2343.9601	so that you can get back-	2344.9813
2291		2345.2191	and g-	2345.5222
2293		2345.6621	get back what you give.	2346.9572
2294	DCB_int_01	2347.4934	That is-	2348.0670
2296		2348.4680	That is good advice [because I] think if we- If we adopted that principle,	2352.2893
2297	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2349.5778	[<laugh>]	2349.9928
2298	DCB_int_01	2352.7672	we'd have a much better world, but I [think the problem is] we don't-	2355.4845
2299	DCB_se2_ag4_f_03	2354.3980	[Uh-huh.]	2355.0369
2300		2355.7410	We don't. [That's right.]	2356.8834
2301	DCB_int_01	2356.2958	[People think] about themselves. They don't think about	2358.2496
2302		2358.7625	each other.	2359.2510