LineSpeakerSt TimeContentEn Time
1DCB_int_010.4470Um, and where- what neighborhood do you call like your childhood4.0193
3 4.4853neighborhood?5.0444 
4DCB_se2_ag4_m_015.9431Woodland Terrace.6.7047
5DCB_int_016.7967Woodl-7.0869
7 7.5966Ah.8.6089 
9 9.2266Okay.10.0813 
11 11.6458Ward Eight.12.1838 
13 13.2498And how long did you live in DC?14.8921 
14DCB_se2_ag4_m_0115.2956I was in DC for thirty-17.9077
16 18.8109If I ain't mistaken I think thirty three years.20.9699 
17DCB_int_0121.1115Mkay.21.5221
19 21.9185Where else have you lived?22.9308 
20DCB_se2_ag4_m_0125.2285In a foster home.26.0992
21DCB_int_0131.1294Was that in DC or were you just all over the place?33.5646
22DCB_se2_ag4_m_0135.0582In DC.35.6458
23DCB_int_0138.4461And then when did you move40.3786
25 40.5981to Prince William County?41.8723 
26DCB_se2_ag4_m_0143.4060Well I was born in Prince William County, and then I left Hyattsville /where's/ that, um,47.5741
28 48.4003me and my /siblingses/ was, um,50.4319 
30 51.0620placed in a foster home and then I went to DC and53.7634 
32 54.6834think we went to the55.4055 
34 56.0072DC56.8991 
36 57.0974I think I was at the age of, um,59.2989 
38 59.8440twelve.60.2829 
40 62.8991<clears throat>63.3876 
41DCB_int_0163.6212And then when did you move down to Virginia?65.0865
42DCB_se2_ag4_m_0165.9543I moved down to Virginia67.5754
44 69.7345if I ain't mistaken I- we came down to Virginia at-72.8333 
46 73.1790in73.8444 
48 76.2795ninety77.3343 
50 78.3649one (whispered)?78.6905 
52 82.5839Say nine- ninety83.9714 
54 84.3466eight?84.7713 
55DCB_int_0185.2073So almost twenty- or so what, seventeen years- sixteen years? Somewhere [thereabout.]88.9662
56DCB_se2_ag4_m_0188.4203[Yes.]88.9662
57 89.4546<clears throat>89.7307
58DCB_int_0191.7948And then, where'd you go to school?93.6354
59DCB_se2_ag4_m_0194.0742I graduated /fran/-94.9237
61 95.1078Well, I went to- My elementary school was, um,98.0780 
63 99.2602I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/.100.4707 
64DCB_int_01100.7326Mm.100.9042
65DCB_se2_ag4_m_01104.5108After I-105.0761
67 105.5787after I graduated from there, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/107.9856 
68DCB_int_01108.0847Mm-hm.108.5914
69DCB_se2_ag4_m_01108.6834Junior High School.109.5496
70DCB_int_01111.0195Mm-hm.111.3239
71DCB_se2_ag4_m_01112.0472And I graduated113.1432
73 113.4617from /RD-SCHOOL-6/.114.6764 
74DCB_int_01120.4286And what do you do now?121.3489
75DCB_se2_ag4_m_01122.6655Uh, I'm a- I'm a- I'm a union plumber.124.6547
76DCB_int_01124.7680Mm, okay.125.3697
78 129.0690And do you remember where your parents were born?130.6972 
79DCB_se2_ag4_m_01133.7028My father was born in, uh, Rocky Mountain, North Carolina.136.8529
80DCB_int_01136.9825Hm.137.2352
81DCB_se2_ag4_m_01137.4617My mom was born in Hyattsville, Maryland,139.7665
83 140.8191where I was born.141.6763 
84DCB_int_01145.4055And146.0072
86 146.2550what did your parents do?147.2171 
87DCB_se2_ag4_m_01148.9591My moms a, as I-150.7147
89 150.9422once I151.7240 
91 151.9576got into, uh,153.2389 
93 153.6070the life of my parents and everything, uh, my father was a gas-157.0586 
95 157.4196gas /tation/-158.0921 
97 158.3682gas st-158.8071 
99 158.9558uh, station attendant.160.6216 
100DCB_int_01160.6830Mm-hm.161.0936
101DCB_se2_ag4_m_01161.8511My moms, come to find out, she working at the Treasury Department in DC.165.6495
102DCB_int_01166.6724Hm.166.8812
104 170.9770So171.4513 
106 172.2229let's talk [a li-]173.1219 
107DCB_se2_ag4_m_01172.7821[And-]173.0016
108 173.2918[and-]173.5396
109DCB_int_01173.2918[Oh, go] ahead.173.8015
110DCB_se2_ag4_m_01173.8865and174.4315
112 174.6622<clears throat>175.0586 
114 176.5594I- I- That's when I f- f- found out,178.5627 
116 178.6972uh,179.3555 
118 180.4174everything was going in my parents' life where- how they was working and everything because we moved to Woodland Terrace,184.8809 
120 185.4122which is Southeast DC,186.6085 
121DCB_int_01186.8533Mm-hm.187.2568
122DCB_se2_ag4_m_01189.6495and it was great. It- it- My thing was is, uh,192.8350
124 193.0799it- it-193.3984 
126 193.6533I mean, you- you-194.4815 
128 197.2918you skate all day, you- we sit and199.9223 
130 200.4815played all night. The doors could stay open.203.0299 
132 203.7449Uh,204.2546 
134 205.3568I had seven brothers and206.7576 
136 207.0777three sisters,207.8619 
138 209.2423and our- our life was-210.3395 
140 210.4994our life was- our lives were great. It- it w- it-212.7576 
142 213.1115I mean we had, um-214.7467 
144 216.7613The violence wasn't217.9152 
146 218.5452as- as219.1540 
148 219.5575bad as it is [now.]220.7422 
149DCB_int_01220.6337[Mm.]220.9237
150DCB_se2_ag4_m_01220.9636Uh, it wa- it wa- it was-222.6581
152 224.5027I mean we-225.1681 
154 225.5150neighbors was neighbors, you know what I mean? Y- you say hi in the morning, this that and the others.230.1983 
156 231.6778It- it- it turned out beautiful, at first.234.0351 
158 234.9383Let's put it like that because like I said we gonna play sports, we play ball, go to school, this that and the other.239.5184 
160 240.3891And one thing that mom and dad always said /?? strive/.243.0367 
162 243.4017try to tell us that the school was more important.245.3201 
164 247.3205So that's- that's what we did, you know what I mean?249.5150 
166 249.6920Um,250.2654 
168 250.5556n- neighbor-251.0582 
170 251.3980the neighbors- the neighborhood itself was /ac-/ good. You know, you had your recreation centers, this that and the other, gave us something to do.257.6529 
172 258.6764But you always had to come home.260.2054 
174 260.9133You always had to come home.262.3362 
176 262.7538We'd come home and then work was first.264.6510 
178 266.0497Cleaning our house,267.0367 
180 267.1582getting your chores done before you even go up to the recreation centers.270.4882 
182 271.6603So,272.2337 
184 272.4249and that's where I learned to meet a lot of my friends, this that and the other, and, um,276.4882 
186 277.0100it was great.277.6037 
188 279.1328Then there was drugs.280.1167 
190 280.4424<clears throat>280.8246 
192 281.2635There was drugs that what we283.1944 
194 283.9081Set up and where it was-285.7911 
196 286.4707is-286.6689 
198 287.7378uh, everything is drugs, you wanna put it like that, is, uh,290.9699 
199DCB_int_01291.3876Mm.291.6707
200DCB_se2_ag4_m_01291.6920the drinking,292.5839
202 292.8379the marijuana.293.9360 
204 294.9737It wasn't a lot of hard drugs then,296.6939 
206 296.9062but as time progressive,298.9583 
208 299.5953it started getting worse.300.8675 
210 301.3772You know, your PCP, your303.3947 
212 303.8265cocaine, this that and the other.305.1856 
213DCB_int_01307.1751[How did they bring it into] the neighborhood?308.7827
214DCB_se2_ag4_m_01307.2313[So s-]307.8371
215 309.3884That-309.8096
217 310.0504that-310.3688 
219 310.9618um, like this-311.7744 
221 312.5324it's-312.8430 
223 313.9769it's ways that314.8389 
225 315.0330me and you, I think that me talking to you317.3783 
227 317.7123we'll never know318.7063 
229 318.9518and we never will find out.320.3729 
230DCB_int_01320.4972Mm.320.7845
231DCB_se2_ag4_m_01322.4279They- You set up there and listen to news, this that and the other, but I'm like this325.8060
233 326.1710it gonna happen. It gonna keep happening because it's a market. It's- it's-329.5104 
235 330.6799is-330.9207 
237 331.0915is where is that money /to be/ made333.0284 
239 334.4387and334.9124 
241 336.0074you wanna say about the government, this that and the other because I'm like this I always look at it like this and I wanna be smart about it341.6657 
243 341.8132because I- I'm not dumb and I don't think that you dumb.344.1710 
245 345.1282You're not rich.346.0659 
247 346.4930I'm not rich.347.2075 
249 348.0967How I get over here349.2158 
251 349.4022or how I get done?350.3652 
253 351.2582Hey.351.6931 
255 353.4016You have to have money in order to do it.354.5665 
256DCB_int_01355.0139Mm.355.3711
257DCB_se2_ag4_m_01356.8699You wanna talk about the government, this that and the other, they got a part of it.359.2541
259 359.9064They got a part of it.360.8306 
261 361.6818It's just like they take it- they take it away from the drug man364.1824 
263 365.1898and they'll put it back on the market.366.5122 
265 366.6411They hold it a little bit, this that and the other.368.2487 
267 368.5049They just set up there and get it- get it across to what's his name, get it across372.0462 
269 372.4656wherever it come from, this that and the other.374.0079 
271 374.1477But374.4739 
273 375.4669that-375.8096 
275 377.0444that had nothing to do with our life378.8847 
277 379.0040because see [we-] we being stupid381.3048 
278DCB_int_01379.4643[Mm.]379.7115
279DCB_se2_ag4_m_01382.1591and I would- I look at myself. I like being stupid.384.7141
281 384.8819You get involved.385.6973 
283 387.9882You chose to do it.389.1920 
285 389.8669They don't let nobody set up there and say just like a child.392.3885 
287 392.6525Your child got a mind of his own just like I have a mind of my own.395.0056 
289 395.1997You choose to do it.396.0229 
291 398.9117So at that-399.5097 
293 399.7271at that point I'm like401.0240 
295 403.2187we fail ourself.404.2360 
296DCB_int_01404.7331Mm-hm.405.1990
297DCB_se2_ag4_m_01405.5563We fail ourself.406.4804
298DCB_int_01407.7152Do you think it changed kind of you how you410.0807
299DCB_se2_ag4_m_01410.4147[It-]410.6236
300DCB_int_01410.4147[in the] neighborhood like how people treated each other? How413.2725
301 413.5676you went [about interacting] with [people?]415.4750
302DCB_se2_ag4_m_01414.3567[<clears throat>]414.5974
304 415.2808[It-] it- it-416.0031 
305 416.5700it- it gonna bother you.418.0455
307 418.5736It- it gonna bother you as being a person420.4248 
309 420.7217because it's there.421.4905 
311 422.0419And [you think] that everybody else doing it is fun,424.3095 
312DCB_int_01422.2749[Mm.]422.6632
313DCB_se2_ag4_m_01425.4123it's- it's- it's- this- this- this the happening. This- this make me a-428.6253
315 428.9738this make me get in with the crowd.430.3894 
316DCB_int_01430.5969Mm-hm.431.0628
317DCB_se2_ag4_m_01431.3191It doesn't make you get in with crowd because I'm like this you get into it and you can't get out of it because for the simple fact436.8609
319 437.7509you- you the user.438.7605 
320DCB_int_01439.6381Mm.440.0963
321DCB_se2_ag4_m_01440.2536You the user. You ain't the one making the money, you the user.442.8233
322DCB_int_01442.8941Mm-hm.443.2834
323DCB_se2_ag4_m_01443.4504So you set up there and you hurt- you hurt yourself, you hurt your family, you hurt everybody else because I'm like this.448.4026
325 448.7171Well if I ain't making it,449.9417 
327 452.4943or I get it from you I gotta pay you back so I'm gonna kill you455.1560 
329 455.6374because you ain't-456.3635 
331 456.5834you ain't giving it back.457.6024 
333 458.0200Remember- remember you just got that twenty package from me?460.3115 
335 461.4816You know what I [mean?]462.1042 
336DCB_int_01461.8780[Mm-hm.]462.3169
337DCB_se2_ag4_m_01463.2413And now all of a sudden, well you owe me.464.7208
339 464.9261Well man, don't worry about it, uh,466.7454 
341 467.6657or however you wanna say it. Or I give it back to /each other/.469.7015 
343 469.9506He can't wait cause he needed it. He need it- he need it to maintain hisself.473.1502 
345 474.4003So you- we wind up hurting ourself.476.3045 
347 476.4815It's not this because, see,478.0530 
349 478.1875in our life our parents didn't teach us that.480.3254 
350DCB_int_01480.6510Mm.480.9271
351DCB_se2_ag4_m_01481.7422We went out there in the streets. When we walked past that door we did it.484.3857
353 485.5593We'll come back /ourself/ and say hey mom, hey dad.487.9354 
355 488.5877Hey everything alright. I ain't doing nothing wrong. But, you know, once you pass that doorstep, you walk out there you gonna- you doing what you wanna do.494.4532 
356DCB_int_01494.6231Mm.495.1823
357DCB_se2_ag4_m_01495.8902It's like you walked outside. You set up there and shot that man.498.5023
359 499.3913Or you set there and went out there and had sex with somebody.501.6778 
361 502.0746This that and the other. I ain't doing anything. I ain't doing [anything.]504.9509 
362DCB_int_01504.7716[Mm-hm.]505.2035
363DCB_se2_ag4_m_01506.6659And then your parents get on the news or the parents set up there and /unintelligible/ say,509.8939
365 510.0354that ain't my son.510.8288 
367 511.4429My son good- Yeah we are goodie two shoes in the- in the eyesight of our parents.515.0231 
368DCB_int_01514.9240<laugh>515.5045
369DCB_se2_ag4_m_01516.5663When we in the house.517.4512
370DCB_int_01517.7739Right.518.1066
371DCB_se2_ag4_m_01518.3473but once you cross that doorstep it's a different story.520.6155
373 521.7877And that's why I don't understand why people get on- Why- why did you do that? Why you do that my son? This that and the other. Did you pay attention with your son and your daughter did528.2053 
375 528.3819when they was outside? When they was out there?530.0500 
377 532.3223And that- and that's-533.1576 
379 533.3205and- and- and- that- that is reality.535.6211 
381 535.8476<clears throat>536.1113 
383 537.2817Not everyone.538.2161 
384DCB_int_01539.0585[Mm.]539.4974
385DCB_se2_ag4_m_01539.0656[But- but it-] it's- it's there. It happens.541.2813
386DCB_int_01541.6182Right.541.8659
387DCB_se2_ag4_m_01543.1401Then life growing up in DC was a good life for me. I think it was a good life for everybody at that time when I- I think that- I- when I-549.0552
389 549.2817think if- if I ain't mistaken I was550.9736 
391 551.5257thirteen when I moved to Southeast DC.553.4229 
393 555.3808But like I say, that was the fun- it was the most557.8372 
395 558.1133beautiful thing, this that and the other, the homes looking nice, which is the projects.562.0604 
396DCB_int_01562.4427Mm.562.6904
397DCB_se2_ag4_m_01562.7825Which I- I563.4054
399 563.6161don't mind saying that because it- it was a good life. I mean566.3155 
401 566.4414th- the people around there when I grew up /unintelligible/568.5842 
403 569.0656hey, you know,570.0142 
405 570.6371not have nowhere, put in a foster home. Then you come to a-573.6711 
407 573.8126a n-574.0675 
409 574.2296a- a place where you got575.6052 
411 575.8089rooms, you know.576.7008 
413 577.0194Your brother sleep right there. Your sister right there. We579.4169 
415 579.6074run down the steps, this that and the other.581.2908 
417 581.5753F- fixing breakfast, this th- It was beautiful.584.1113 
419 584.7720It was beautiful. You come outside, you know, the grass is green. You know what I mean, you got clothes line to hang your clothes, this that and the other. It's like- I'm like, oh man, this is great.592.6975 
421 593.2284You know what I mean? So I mean, you know, and then,595.3309 
423 595.6890you know, it's- it's-596.5243 
425 597.0694it- it turned around that-598.3577 
427 599.7452The good thing about it is- is the recreation centers. The- I- I thank the recreation centers because it was605.0585 
429 605.3629more of, um,606.3823 
431 608.3756something to do.609.0835 
433 609.8126I- I- I look at it as something to do, you know what I mean? I went up there and learned to play ping pong and614.5609 
435 614.7475learned me- learned to shoot pool.616.2869 
437 617.0656It was- it wa- it wasn't in the streets. It wasn't- it wasn't drugging. It w- it wasn't- it- it- it- it gave-622.6338 
439 622.7471gave me- Let's say gave me- It gave me a peace of mind. I had something to do.626.4110 
440DCB_int_01626.8782Mm-hm.627.3171
441DCB_se2_ag4_m_01627.9188And it's something that-628.5699
443 628.7046You know, you wanna learn to swing that paddle to play ping pong.631.1353 
445 631.3026You wanna learn to hold the stick.632.5314 
447 632.9986You know, it's-633.7419 
449 635.7735it- it- and it got to a point where y- where I- I looked at it whereas that639.2817 
451 639.8197the older people I looked at641.1435 
453 641.3559<clears throat>641.6886 
455 642.7292cause like I said /moved in when I was a/ child but644.8995 
457 645.5649you see people that /?/646.6055 
459 647.1789having a nice car,648.3115 
461 649.4654a nice place to live, and you walk in they house, and you see, dag, man this-652.8391 
463 653.0522look at this, man, that- look at- that's a nice couch.655.4158 
464DCB_int_01655.5008[<laugh>]656.2411
465DCB_se2_ag4_m_01655.6536[You know what I mean? But it-] Oh man, they got a color TV?658.0038
466DCB_int_01657.9047<laugh>658.2445
467DCB_se2_ag4_m_01658.4285And then like, oh man, and- and- and- and-660.5239
469 660.7716and661.0760 
471 661.2742as going-662.1113 
473 662.2694as662.5738 
475 662.8004going to school and everything is-664.9240 
477 666.4693Why some people having nice shoes on?668.3544 
478DCB_int_01668.7650Mm.669.0410
479DCB_se2_ag4_m_01669.4021Dressed nice.670.0816
481 671.0437You know what I mean, going to school.672.2124 
483 674.2878Then there was going out.675.3577 
485 676.0604There's going out to parties, this that and the other, and you see how they- nice they dress, this that and the other. It's-680.6134 
487 680.7366it's- it's- you wanna say, well how did they do that?683.0585 
488DCB_int_01683.3417Mm-hm.683.7806
489DCB_se2_ag4_m_01684.2407Well you look at how they do it, a lot of 'em did it686.3473
491 687.1331in a lot of ways.687.9755 
493 688.3648It wasn't- it wasn't employment.689.9151 
495 690.6301It was doing drugs.691.6636 
497 691.8235It was selling drugs making money.693.2534 
499 693.6427Off of each other.694.3719 
501 695.1647You know what I [mean?]695.7806 
502DCB_int_01695.4408[Mm.]695.7594
503DCB_se2_ag4_m_01696.2407You know what I mean? And- and that was a hustle.697.9842
505 698.1904What [we called] a hustle. [That- that's] the thing is a hustle, you know what I mean?701.3700 
506DCB_int_01698.3119[Mm.]698.5455
508 699.1755[Mm-hm.]699.6617 
509DCB_se2_ag4_m_01701.9363Although it's illegal,703.2530
511 703.9084but that's- that's-705.0623 
513 705.3100[that's what people did.]706.2657 
514DCB_int_01705.3525[What you did. Mm-hm.]706.2974
515DCB_se2_ag4_m_01706.4214That- that- that what we do.707.5470
516DCB_int_01707.8585[Mm-hm.]708.2973
517DCB_se2_ag4_m_01708.0779[That's] what we do. So I'm like this, then you say, I'm like this, well,710.9986
518 711.9188hey, I gotta graduate out of school. I want something out of life.714.6230
520 715.6070And I think that everybody-717.0269 
522 717.2959and I-717.7135 
524 718.0109Even the people that's locked up right now719.8230 
526 720.1841I- even they know721.3663 
528 722.0004that722.1845 
530 722.5101the way to go was the education.723.7985 
532 724.4073You know what I mean, cause you want a good job.725.8160 
534 726.3257You don't [wanna make] five dollars an hour, this that and the other, which is- w- still is going on now. You ain't making no money.731.3488 
535DCB_int_01726.5451[Mm.]726.7497
536 731.7098[Right.]732.0479
537DCB_se2_ag4_m_01731.7169[What-] what- what's going on now like this, you have- I'm giving you twelve dollars or735.5932
538 735.9471fourteen dollars a hour,736.8886
540 737.2001w- w- w- well look what the cost of living is to-739.3309 
542 739.4866to have apartment,740.3331 
544 740.5314this that and the other, so it's- it's- it's- it ain't no better.743.4691 
546 743.7735It's- it's not no better.744.7858 
548 745.1751Because still you causing people go out there because747.6286 
550 747.9259to meet-748.2728 
552 748.5489to meet their means.749.7385 
553DCB_int_01749.9788Mm-hm.750.4531
554DCB_se2_ag4_m_01750.7433You know what I mean?751.4725
556 751.9155Because752.4181 
558 752.5384I am like this, you paying me753.8126 
560 754.2515this money as a kid coming out of755.9363 
562 756.1204h- h- h- h- h- high school today,757.6990 
563DCB_int_01757.9650Right.758.2270
564DCB_se2_ag4_m_01758.1774/Does that now then-/ and I'm like this,759.8834
565 760.5064e-760.6834
567 761.3771even just to graduate, not to go to college, but I'm like this, you paying him764.2624 
569 764.5880fifteen dollars an hour, how much apartment cost?766.6059 
571 767.6461You look at how much apartment cost. Well [today] you- I gotta pay fifteen hundred dollars for this apartment.771.6852 
572DCB_int_01769.1651[Mm.]769.3421
573 772.1312Mm-hm.772.6126
574DCB_se2_ag4_m_01773.7310No no no no no no no no.774.9274
576 775.1893Well if you add it up776.1986 
577DCB_int_01777.0906It doesn't add [up.]777.8551
578DCB_se2_ag4_m_01777.6994[it] doesn't add up.778.8957
579 779.3063He can't dress hisself. He can't feed hisself.781.5999
580DCB_int_01781.7314Right. Just pay that rent, that's it.783.3384
581DCB_se2_ag4_m_01783.4233And- and- and that's the bottom line. So I'm like this, so now- now what787.0690
583 787.4355carries over into me coming up in789.7489 
585 790.2728in- in Southeast DC, it's the same thing. You know, you ain't making no money794.2765 
586DCB_int_01794.7083Right.795.0694
587DCB_se2_ag4_m_01795.1331because at that time when I was coming up I think the- the- the minimum wage if I ain't mistaken799.5078
589 799.7173three twenty five?800.6800 
590DCB_int_01802.6126Mm.802.8320
591DCB_se2_ag4_m_01802.8957Now this is the in- s- this is in what, the [sixties?]805.9333
592DCB_int_01804.9769[Sixties.] Yeah.806.3615
593DCB_se2_ag4_m_01806.4393You see what I'm saying? And I'm like this, well hey, but a job is a job, you know what I mean? You know, you gotta work and make your means, this that and the other, but812.8678
595 815.4337this is-816.0425 
597 816.1982I- I-816.4106 
599 816.6301This is817.1927 
601 817.3663life right now which don't nobody know it.819.6357 
603 819.9330But820.2374 
605 822.3485we create823.1681 
607 823.8305the-823.9863 
609 824.7579system creates826.2091 
611 826.4497cause /it, you know,/ cause all if it's the government. You don't wanna say wherever there's government, this that and the-830.5384 
613 830.8995All this create is a mind- a- a set mind person833.9151 
615 834.3965is to go out here h-835.2176 
617 835.6182I have to find a way to make it.836.8853 
618DCB_int_01837.5366Mm-hm. You gotta survive.838.7966
619DCB_se2_ag4_m_01838.9453You gotta survive.839.7594
620DCB_int_01839.7523Mm.840.1558
621DCB_se2_ag4_m_01841.9934Cause you're- you're not- you're not giving 'em anything.844.6108
623 844.9453It's like your health insurance down there, you're not giving them anything.847.4158 
625 847.7833You're- you're not giving849.0127 
627 849.8834the man and a woman and a child, this that and the- you not giving them anything.852.9203 
629 853.3167So now I have to resort854.7508 
631 855.5153in how I'm'a make it.856.4220 
633 857.1647And- and- and- and- and- and-858.6371 
635 859.0477people- or we, uh, being people,860.8995 
637 861.1260we tryna do our best.862.1383 
638DCB_int_01862.4568[Right.]862.7627
639DCB_se2_ag4_m_01862.4639[But that] ain't cutting it because the money you giving me so now I gotta find another way.865.8830
640 866.3473And the reason why the violence out there today is because this what we have to do.869.5116
641DCB_int_01870.2557[Hm.]870.6655
642DCB_se2_ag4_m_01870.4743[So]870.7858
643 871.0265I work a job,871.8972
645 872.0429look clean,872.8287 
647 873.1189this that and the other,873.7631 
649 874.5135but under the table,875.3700 
651 875.5682remember how I just tell you, that when you walk out the door, [there's a different story,]878.4889 
652DCB_int_01877.7173[Mm, different story.]878.8641
653DCB_se2_ag4_m_01878.9278I'm doing what I'm doing880.2303
655 880.3860to make that extra buck so I can look good.882.3165 
656DCB_int_01883.8589How long did you stay at home?885.1047
657DCB_se2_ag4_m_01885.9188Where, my moms?886.6621
658DCB_int_01886.8179Mm-hm.887.2214
659DCB_se2_ag4_m_01887.4266Oh I stayed at home-888.5734
661 888.8849Oh shoot, until I- I- I met my wife.891.6170 
662DCB_int_01892.1241Oh okay. So [you-]892.8643
663DCB_se2_ag4_m_01892.7471[Until] I- I stay- I stayed with my moms- I-895.0123
664 895.4583I stayed with my moms896.7437
666 897.3100for897.8197 
668 898.2919the- the duration of my time before I left.900.9274 
669DCB_int_01901.4129And you were- and y'all stayed at Woodland Terrace or did [y'all move from-]904.1398
670DCB_se2_ag4_m_01903.4304[/??/- No.] Mm-mm. Stayed in Woodland Terrace.905.8868
671 906.5663Um,907.1751
673 908.0288I think at the age of909.1755 
675 910.8108twenty eight or911.4691 
677 911.6249thirty I- I got locked up913.1822 
679 914.1208for /I did/ selling drugs.915.6144 
681 917.0485You know what I mean, tryna make it.918.3793 
683 920.4889Not only that, a user and abuser,922.7512 
685 923.0697you know what I mean? I used and abused myself. I abused others.926.2128 
687 927.4870And, uh,928.2591 
689 928.8644when I went to jail, what- what-930.2236 
691 930.3935what helped me out a lot931.7597 
693 931.9367that when I went to jail I- I-933.4067 
695 934.6662it's seeing that, you know what,935.9617 
697 936.1740hey,936.5492 
699 936.8112you know, you- you-937.7173 
701 938.0712your moms938.9561 
703 939.3100set there and kept telling you and941.0452 
705 941.1759your dad kept telling you to-942.1316 
707 942.2802You need to go to school. /What y- what's out there?/ And I kept lying to my mom, this that and the other, but like I said I'm out there, I'm on drugs.947.8201 
708DCB_int_01948.4471[Mm-hm.]948.8116
709DCB_se2_ag4_m_01948.4601[I'm using] drugs.949.3138
710 950.6429Not only that, I'm selling drugs.951.9471
712 952.2794You know what I mean?952.9706 
714 953.2467I- I- I take that twenty dollars and I try to turn it and flip it,956.9598 
716 957.1456how many times, this that and the other.958.8574 
718 959.3104[But I] was at my worst-960.2944 
719DCB_int_01959.3175[Mm.]959.5653
720DCB_se2_ag4_m_01961.7597I was my worst963.0906
722 963.6398person964.2486 
724 966.6908to myself than I could ever know because I'm like this.968.9632 
726 969.4516And when I got locked up I looked at myself, I said how stupid can you be?972.3581 
727DCB_int_01973.0448Mm.973.4058
728DCB_se2_ag4_m_01973.8168How stupid can you be?975.8480
730 977.0202And I did it- I, uh-978.0820 
732 978.1882I- I did every drug I think there was that I did. And only thing I never did, I never shot dope.983.6998 
734 986.2765Smoked weed,987.0764 
736 989.1830uh,989.7776 
738 990.3015I had- I had acid before,991.9721 
740 992.6517uh,992.9348 
742 993.5365smoked PCP,994.6804 
744 997.0872uh,997.5190 
746 999.4233drinki-999.9046 
748 1000.5105drink,1000.8644 
750 1001.0981this that and the other, but, uh, that's the only drugs I never did. I never did no dope.1004.2057 
752 1004.7791So when I- when I got locked up I looked at myself, and I said, hey, /unintelligible/1008.8182 
754 1009.1029w- what you doing here?1009.9863 
755DCB_int_011010.7083Hm.1011.0481
756DCB_se2_ag4_m_011011.2534I'm looking at myself I'm like this now. I'm- I'm- I'm- I'm sitting here, I'm looking at these motherfuckers they- they sit there-1017.3454
758 1017.9937Even- even- even- even being /incarceration/1020.4360 
760 1020.6554is just like being out on the streets.1022.0358 
762 1022.6905And watch somebody hurt theyself or they sitting there tryna,1025.5093 
764 1026.0325hey,1026.4572 
766 1026.8350man, you gonna give me this.1027.8376 
768 1028.2340You know what I mean?1028.8074 
770 1029.0003I mean cause we confined in this little space right here just like we sitting here talking,1033.0377 
772 1033.4092be confined, but I'm like this, they s- it's still-1035.7135 
774 1036.2344it's like1036.7016 
776 1036.9105the streets.1037.5317 
777DCB_int_011037.6077[Mm-hm.]1037.9192
778DCB_se2_ag4_m_011037.7918[It's] still marketing things, you [know what I mean?]1039.8022
779DCB_int_011039.2854[Mm-hm.]1039.8093
780DCB_se2_ag4_m_011040.1420Hey,1040.5030
782 1041.5578hey I'm jealous.1042.2090 
784 1042.4822Hey,1042.7653 
786 1043.2821y- you don't want that? Man give me that man.1045.0448 
788 1045.1368And it's like I'm just running over top of you. It's- it's-1047.6994 
790 1048.7475And I sit there, and I looked at myself, I say1051.0731 
792 1051.4199what I'm doing here?1052.2340 
793DCB_int_011053.0552Mm.1053.3808
794DCB_se2_ag4_m_011053.4274I say my mom and dad taught me better than this. Not only that,1056.2024
796 1056.3935it's not that they taught me that,1058.1066 
798 1061.3954being raised1062.6427 
800 1062.9527the right way- And I- and I'm like this. Now I love my parents more than anything in the world because I'm like this.1067.8838 
802 1069.3279Although they didn't have-1070.6923 
804 1070.9281and then when they got1071.7348 
806 1072.0858me and my brothers and my sister, us back together, move in this house,1075.4058 
808 1075.9980How- I say move was right.1077.2534 
810 1078.2061So I looked at myself, said why I'm sitting in this jail?1080.5209 
812 1080.7828I go [to school], I graduated high school. What- what are you doing, /RD-NAME-1/?1084.5459 
813DCB_int_011081.1501[Mm.]1081.3987
814DCB_se2_ag4_m_011085.2255What- what are you doing sitting up here in jail? And I say, you know what, you're dumb.1089.1391
816 1091.7989And it- it- it- it changed my life,1093.9721 
818 1094.5101seeing how1095.4516 
820 1095.8238I don't wanna be.1096.6308 
822 1097.4095/unintelligible/1097.8909 
824 1098.2590Oh you can-1098.6767 
826 1098.9103I gotta go.1099.3039 
828 1099.4553Hey,1099.8093 
830 1100.1703can I use the bathroom?1101.1260 
831DCB_int_011101.7247Right.1101.9796
832DCB_se2_ag4_m_011102.8928I'm like hold up.1103.8130
834 1104.1811Can I go and wash my face?1105.4624 
836 1106.2128Can I- can- can I just-1107.2746 
838 1107.7631You know I just1108.4256 
840 1108.9140went out all night, this that and the other. You wake up, this that and the other, well I'm going take a bath.1112.3614 
842 1113.5790You can't take no bath.1114.6804 
844 1114.9069Oh, oh, is- is it alright for me to go in? No, it's not time now.1117.9579 
846 1118.3402So I'm like this- I'm like this. I'm sitting there,1120.2306 
848 1121.7705I'm-1121.9050 
850 1122.0962/Uh/ it's like I'm- I'm locked down there. And now I gotta aks somebody. I'm like, what the hell is this- this is- is this living?1128.4714 
852 1130.5955<ts>1130.6670 
854 1130.7862I watched people get stabbed.1132.0321 
856 1132.2557<clears throat> I watched people overdose. It's just worse than the streets, being over your friend house, this that and the other, because in- in s- s-1138.4539 
858 1138.9069in-1139.1547 
860 1139.6856coming up in Southeast, um,1141.1651 
862 1141.7527I- I- I mean I went and got drugs for people, this that and the other. Even dope, I went and got1145.5157 
864 1145.9546dope for 'em, this that and the other, and watch people OD.1148.1774 
866 1150.5317I watched-1151.3033 
868 1152.3510what I did /was not a life/,1153.6182 
870 1154.9065what helped me out is- is like I seen where it is t- going nowhere.1159.0448 
872 1159.4907<clears throat>1159.8234 
874 1160.5101So this-1161.2817 
876 1161.6286this life1162.3687 
878 1165.4129in jail is- I'm like this. I- I don't- I don't see how they do it because even still when I was locked up,1170.8607 
880 1171.9084in- in Lorton, Virginia1173.2392 
881DCB_int_011173.5194Mm-hm.1173.9088
882DCB_se2_ag4_m_011174.1636at that time.1174.8432
884 1176.4501I don't see how a person1177.9367 
886 1178.1632can sit up there1179.0690 
888 1179.3029and get locked up and see what's going on in life1181.7352 
890 1182.4077in the prison,1183.1439 
892 1184.5172walk out,1185.1401 
894 1186.3902and two days later they right back.1187.6795 
896 1192.5813I- I look at-1193.6644 
898 1196.6092I- I'm not a-1197.3950 
900 1197.9542I-1198.1666 
902 1198.3052I'm not gonna s-1198.8574 
904 1199.2255I can't say1200.0042 
906 1200.2165whether it's drugs.1201.2288 
908 1201.3633I- I can't say because I don't know what's i-1203.6852 
910 1203.9442installed in some people mind cause you don't.1206.0112 
911DCB_int_011206.6625Mm.1206.9810
912DCB_se2_ag4_m_011209.5578But something gotta be installed in your mind because1211.9404
914 1214.0712with them it's not your parents. It's something that's1216.1170 
916 1216.3052out here1216.8644 
918 1217.3670that makes you1218.0042 
920 1218.8030to keep going back and doing what you doing.1220.3251 
921DCB_int_011220.2644Mm.1220.4190
922 1220.5243Yeah.1220.7720
923DCB_se2_ag4_m_011221.3808It- it got to be1222.2698
925 1222.4468because if1223.3741 
927 1223.5441you being battered,1224.7404 
929 1225.0663you being hurt,1225.8234 
931 1227.4304or something is taken away from you,1228.9777 
933 1229.4024you tryna find a way to get away from that.1231.5686 
934DCB_int_011231.9509Right.1232.2872
935DCB_se2_ag4_m_011234.9524And- and-1235.6706
937 1236.1103and my thing is that1237.2428 
939 1237.4199you- you're not going because you-1238.8936 
941 1239.1755you see it but you don't wanna see it.1240.9706 
943 1241.2821Or either you see it and- and that ain't your way because maybe you don't have the education.1244.9844 
944DCB_int_011245.9088Mm.1246.1778
945DCB_se2_ag4_m_011246.1070Maybe you don't have1247.1830
946 1247.8343someone there to talk to you, to sit there and say hey, change this.1250.7083
948 1252.6920Why is not something that you see whereas that-1255.0094 
950 1255.2217let me try to find a way to aks a question,1257.3029 
952 1257.4911this that and that, so I don't understand you.1259.1901 
954 1259.8626I don't understand you. So my life is- on- once after1262.5667 
956 1262.7933prison1263.3808 
958 1263.8480I set up there and I say, man, I want something out of life.1266.3015 
960 1267.0094The good thing about it1268.0995 
962 1268.6375when I got locked up,1269.6144 
964 1269.9513I stayed to myself.1271.0131 
966 1271.1972And I /even/ the seen the people1272.5286 
968 1273.1651most of my friends, some- some of my friends, n- not a lot of 'em,1276.0179 
970 1276.7653seen my friends- a lot of my friends in- in Lorton, this that and the other, and I watched them, this that and the other,1281.6427 
972 1282.5459my thing was to stay away from 'em cause I didn't know nothing about no prison.1285.6234 
974 1287.9442I watched- I watched a couple of my friends get stabbed and killed in there,1290.8112 
976 1291.5686while I was there1292.2405 
978 1293.2392because they got,1294.0887 
980 1295.1451you know, they still was1296.2732 
982 1297.1368doing the street life.1298.0924 
984 1298.3260You [know what I mean?] The hustling and1299.9754 
985DCB_int_011298.4959[Mm-hm.]1298.9207
986DCB_se2_ag4_m_011300.4043doing this that and the other. Hey,1301.7961
988 1302.6413nice cl-1303.0448 
990 1303.2642nice1303.5969 
992 1303.9721jeans and shoes, this that and the other, cause they- they-1306.1099 
994 1306.3123they- they hustling. They- they still doing the same thing, drugs and j- I'm like this.1310.1066 
996 1310.5880It's al- it's- it's already known in- in- in the system that they got more drugs in jail than they got1316.1349 
997DCB_int_011316.1986On the [streets.]1316.9985
998DCB_se2_ag4_m_011316.7862[on the] streets. [So] th- this is life, so1319.2113
999DCB_int_011317.4982[Yeah.]1317.8734
1000DCB_se2_ag4_m_011319.3529I'm like this, I watch them get killed, this that and the other. But1321.4624
1002 1321.7173I had a good,1322.5028 
1004 1324.8715um,1325.3387 
1006 1326.4686What do you call the guards? This that and the other, and, um,1329.0552 
1008 1329.9259I just stayed to myself, and the guard walked up to me one day to hear how I got into my plumber's trade, and he-1334.2057 
1010 1334.3331he walked up to me, he say, man, you know, you appear that you1337.0343 
1012 1337.2750a little different from everybody else. There's another, but I'm like this, I'm scared man. I don't wanna get stabbed. I ain't no different from nobody.1342.7866 
1014 1343.0839I just learned to shut my mouth. I mean, just damn, five years though. I say, man, let me shut my mouth. I'm like I don't- hey I don't know you.1349.4853 
1016 1349.7281Hey.1350.0325 
1018 1350.5209If you wanna take it,1351.3633 
1020 1351.4969you take it.1352.0570 
1022 1352.7043I don't care if my /moms starve/ tonight. (laughing) I'm like this.1355.2396 
1024 1356.1457I'm sitting there looking at myself, and I'm sitting there crying.1358.6375 
1026 1359.6781All the- all the energy I got, this that and the other, /yet/ my mother can't touch me, this that and the other. [/???/] all of1365.6498 
1027DCB_int_011364.8451[Hm.]1365.0488
1028DCB_se2_ag4_m_011365.7843this and all of that, this that and the other. I'm like, man, I'm down /in my man, uh/1369.4483
1030 1369.7597/I'm'a/ kill me in a instant.1371.1428 
1032 1371.9371So I might1372.8078 
1034 1373.4914you ain't as bad as you think you are.1375.0731 
1035DCB_int_011375.0802Mm-hm.1375.6040
1036DCB_se2_ag4_m_011378.0787You're smart as you are, but you not as bad as you think he is. I don't care how many muscles you got, [this that and the other]. I'm like, this is crap.1384.4397
1037DCB_int_011382.3331[<laugh>]1383.1968
1038DCB_se2_ag4_m_011385.2821So I'm like this, the guy set up there, and, uh,1387.2571
1040 1387.7102my-1387.8872 
1042 1388.1066my parole- uh, the guard that was down there,1390.3052 
1044 1391.3387one of the correction officer, he set up there and say hey,1393.2076 
1046 1393.4695uh, I need you to give me a hand.1394.7083 
1048 1396.3902He gave me a hand.1397.4121 
1050 1399.9933And1400.4747 
1052 1400.6800the hand he gave me1401.9471 
1054 1402.3689<clears throat>1402.8007 
1056 1403.0343just showed me how to change a toilet.1404.3864 
1057DCB_int_011405.1651Mm.1405.4199
1058DCB_se2_ag4_m_011405.7385Tell me mop the- mop the fl- mop that water up.1408.3961
1060 1408.6238This that and the other, and I'm like, hey man, well, I never really used no tools. I'm like this man, you know, cause- cause1414.5742 
1062 1415.0768wh- when I g- once I graduated I went to a-1417.7527 
1064 1418.2977I worked at a government, uh,1419.9967 
1066 1420.2415agency. I worked in the- in the government.1422.1599 
1068 1423.8164Um,1424.3544 
1070 1425.7418/RD-WORK-9/.1427.0726 
1072 1428.0042A good job. I st- I st- I still, you know, the1430.3898 
1074 1430.8499it's- it's-1431.4516 
1076 1431.7843still I was making good- I probably was making more than anybody else if you really wanna look at it but1436.1986 
1078 1436.6234I still resulted1437.6539 
1080 1437.8126into drugs.1438.6167 
1081DCB_int_011438.6662Mm-hm.1439.1688
1082DCB_se2_ag4_m_011440.8395And that drug got me caught up one day,1442.7366
1084 1442.9136sold it to an undercover agent.1444.2627 
1086 1444.9069So got me locked up, but1446.3723 
1088 1447.5474the gentlemen1448.2765 
1090 1448.4889that helped me- the guard, this that and the other, he showed me how to change a toilet.1451.5299 
1092 1453.3138I said man this is heaven.1454.6329 
1093DCB_int_011454.9632<laugh>1456.3099
1094DCB_se2_ag4_m_011457.4591Is this heaven?1458.2448
1096 1458.6271This- this is- this is what I like doing, man. Hey I'm doing something constructive. You know what I mean? Dang, you mean to tell me I just took this up, put that down, this- and put it together, this that and the other, he showed me.1467.8551 
1098 1468.6379So I'm like this, when I got out,1470.4562 
1100 1470.6696<clears throat>1470.9598 
1102 1471.5544when I- when I got out of-1472.7862 
1104 1473.3525and I'm like this, I went to the halfway house,1475.3104 
1106 1477.9438still old dumb me.1479.0835 
1108 1479.8734Still old dumb me. And I got out, this that and the other, and, uh,1483.3562 
1110 1485.4233I was doing it. I was- I was-1487.0768 
1112 1487.2467You know I went back-1488.1103 
1114 1490.5880Not robbing- I've never robbed a store no- I never robbed a s-1493.7281 
1116 1493.9263stole nothing from nobody but I just had my- my- my little habits, my ways of getting high.1498.5106 
1118 1499.0395You know what I mean? So I went back to smoking,1500.7404 
1120 1501.1297uh, crack,1501.9721 
1122 1502.3800you know what I mean?1503.1047 
1124 1504.6946Uh, and I-1505.3458 
1126 1506.6059and I'm like this when I met my wife,1508.2694 
1128 1508.5597which is so beautiful man. It was like,1510.2557 
1130 1510.4680hey, this is time to change.1512.2378 
1131DCB_int_011512.3156How'd you meet her?1512.8819
1132DCB_se2_ag4_m_011514.1703I- I was in the halfway house. I- I was working. Matter of fact, um,1517.5369
1134 1518.9952the guard1519.6748 
1136 1520.4125that helped me1521.1401 
1138 1521.3920t-1521.5973 
1140 1522.1636put myself together to get this trade,1524.0537 
1142 1526.3756I was working for him, um,1527.7884 
1144 1528.0716you had to have seventy two hours1529.7234 
1146 1532.9773in the halfway house1534.0250 
1148 1535.1264before I can get a-1535.9475 
1150 1536.0820a visit1536.5846 
1152 1536.7404to home.1537.1934 
1154 1538.5455To go home.1539.1330 
1156 1539.9117And, uh,1540.6308 
1158 1540.8220you know, you- you get two days out1542.4218 
1160 1543.1085which is, uh,1543.9013 
1162 1544.3402Saturday-1544.8853 
1164 1545.3262Friday and Saturday.1546.2668 
1166 1546.4517You leave Friday evening.1547.3387 
1168 1547.9617You gotta be back Sunday.1548.9740 
1170 1549.5828And, uh,1550.3048 
1172 1551.0693I went to see a friend of mines,1552.4185 
1174 1553.1334you know what I mean?1553.7422 
1176 1554.2094I'm like this, my- I'm like this. I didn't have no beads no more beads in my head. I had waves, I'm like this. I'm looking I'm all built up t-1561.2854 
1178 1562.1278tight.1562.5526 
1180 1563.0764And, uh, I j- I got on a bus.1564.9352 
1182 1565.1264I got on a bus, and I- I say man, I'm just gonna get off.1567.8891 
1184 1569.3879And I- and I- and I got off the bus /and then/- and I-1571.9263 
1186 1573.1934and I started walking1574.5598 
1188 1575.7348and I turned around, another bus came, and I turned around because I'm still walking to my man house, and I looked, I'm like,1580.6800 
1190 1580.9207oh my God.1581.7560 
1192 1583.3741I said, oh man.1585.0010 
1194 1585.3350I-1585.5190 
1196 1585.7456I said ho ho ho ho ho.1587.2038 
1198 1587.7543And I- and I say I got to say something.1589.8767 
1200 1590.5280Hey, hey, hey, h- hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up.1593.4062 
1202 1596.0254Uh,1596.4289 
1204 1596.6554I asked her her name,1597.5403 
1206 1599.6356and, uh, she told me her name, this that and the other. She said, nah, well I got somebody. I said I don't care who you got.1604.3119 
1208 1604.7435I said, hey!1605.2251 
1210 1606.3477Pulled out-1606.7724 
1212 1606.9211pulled out my money,1607.8201 
1214 1608.4926put my name and- and-1609.7031 
1216 1609.9721my name and number on- on a- /what's her/ name on a- on a bill I gave her, say, hey give me a call.1613.9688 
1218 1615.8373And it was, uh, love ever since. I've been married my wife now1619.1135 
1220 1620.5563ever since then.1621.4270 
1222 1621.5828Thirty-1622.1845 
1224 1622.8832What we got? We been married- got twenty-1624.8574 
1226 1626.7970almost twenty six years.1627.9863 
1227DCB_int_011628.5030Wow.1628.9348
1229 1629.5295And you met her just cause you got off the bus.1631.1334 
1230DCB_se2_ag4_m_011631.8130I wanted that- [Hey she was beautiful.] And I- I- /?/ decide,1635.0561
1231DCB_int_011632.5634[<laugh>]1633.3421
1232DCB_se2_ag4_m_011635.6569can't live without her. I-1636.8078
1234 1637.0414This is my life.1638.2802 
1236 1638.6200Gave me four beautiful kids.1639.8730 
1238 1641.6640But I- My thing is1643.4874 
1240 1643.9475with the-1644.4289 
1242 1644.7050the-1644.8678 
1244 1646.1491growing up in Southeast is-1647.7955 
1246 1647.9576it- it was good.1648.9069 
1248 1649.0414It- it- really, really. It- it- it was good. It's- it's- The thing is, what people- what- what people don't-1654.6096 
1250 1654.7653don't understand,1655.7281 
1252 1656.3439it's- it's not where you grew up at.1657.9546 
1253DCB_int_011658.3544Mm.1658.6163
1254DCB_se2_ag4_m_011658.7933It- it- it's the principal of-1660.3760
1256 1660.6804of what you1661.4662 
1258 1662.1316was raised and taught.1663.6040 
1260 1665.3454Take that value and learn to do it-1667.2467 
1262 1667.4732do what you been taught because, see,1669.3633 
1264 1669.5049it- it wasn't our parents.1670.9029 
1266 1672.1141It's not our parents.1673.1607 
1268 1673.3670See you parents sit-1674.4501 
1270 1674.6625Our parents set up there and tell us what's right and what's wrong.1677.4663 
1272 1677.8522They already been through their life1679.1403 
1274 1679.5653[that we-] we been through.1680.6625 
1275DCB_int_011679.5794[Right.]1679.8272
1276DCB_se2_ag4_m_011681.3536But we feel-1682.3614
1278 1682.7154or we wanna go around about it.1684.6025 
1279DCB_int_011684.9352<laugh>1685.3246
1280DCB_se2_ag4_m_011685.8555We wanna go [around it], this that and the other. But yet still we come back instead of saying, yeah mom and dad, you were right, this that and the other, but1691.6256
1281DCB_int_011686.9457[Yeah.]1687.2854
1282DCB_se2_ag4_m_011691.8838behind they back, we doing what we wanna do.1694.1208
1283DCB_int_011693.9650Mm-hm.1694.5526
1284DCB_se2_ag4_m_011695.7843And that's why I- I wanna address to the parents today,1698.6071
1286 1699.0660stop1699.4766 
1288 1699.8022sitting there saying1700.7437 
1290 1700.8994that's not my son, that's not my daughter.1702.7299 
1292 1706.0500See, cause your- your- your-1707.2038 
1294 1707.4233your kids need to come clean. Come clean-1709.4520 
1296 1709.9404clean with theyself cause they're living much longer. They come clean but they still have to do the things that they sposta do.1714.1495 
1297DCB_int_011714.1919Right.1714.5105
1298DCB_se2_ag4_m_011715.7635Or stop hurting yourself because1717.7668
1300 1718.7862all you did was bring us in the world.1720.3099 
1302 1723.4412And you told us, and you showed us.1725.2605 
1304 1726.9221You beat our butt. You- you whipped our butt. You set up there, this that and the other. No you ain't going. You discipline us.1731.8693 
1305DCB_int_011732.0362Mm-hm.1732.5530
1306DCB_se2_ag4_m_011734.9386But never set up there1736.4605
1308 1737.0906once them kids walk out that door and set up and say that's not my son, that's not my daughter cause you don't know.1741.0872 
1310 1742.8711And the- and the problem that we have is being people.1745.4591 
1312 1747.2784And we- we- we are parents now.1748.9991 
1313DCB_int_011749.5507Mm-hm.1750.0745
1314DCB_se2_ag4_m_011751.8697It's not that y-1752.9173
1316 1753.8022You ain't saying nothing being a parent.1755.6144 
1318 1755.8126Your kids not saying nothing because they won't sit down.1758.2732 
1320 1759.2996They won't sit down and discuss where-1761.0381 
1322 1761.6398Hey mom, I got a girlfriend and1763.4874 
1324 1763.6502things ain't right, this that and the other. I go to work and, uh,1767.2888 
1326 1767.5761you know, the- my boss up there, you know, he was just cussing me out the-1770.1811 
1328 1770.4430We don't speak.1771.2359 
1329DCB_int_011771.7597Mm-hm.1772.3119
1330DCB_se2_ag4_m_011772.5455We don't say anything.1773.6923
1332 1774.6875See, because someone had my answer for you.1776.6342 
1334 1776.8465Someone can guide you where it is that you wanted to go.1779.2224 
1336 1779.5365You know, man, this job is messed up. I'm just gonna go and shoot somebody. <sound effect>1782.2590 
1338 1782.7404You know what I mean, at the job.1783.6960 
1340 1783.8730You know what I mean? [No.]1784.8003 
1341DCB_int_011784.2482[Mm-hm.]1784.8428
1342DCB_se2_ag4_m_011784.9773But if you learn to talk1786.4043
1344 1787.8201someone will hear you.1788.6908 
1346 1788.9244And someone will give you some good advice1790.4959 
1348 1791.3383so you won't wind up in jail.1792.6804 
1349DCB_int_011793.7776Hm.1794.0112
1350DCB_se2_ag4_m_011794.1528And you can live productive life.1795.7173
1352 1796.7225Because it's our- it's- it's our thing because1799.0485 
1354 1799.3812children, they- and even us being parents, we don't- we don't say what's on our mind.1802.7965 
1356 1803.4841It's like1803.9229 
1358 1804.0858right now, you know, y- y- you-1805.5865 
1360 1805.7705you- Hey, I'm married to you1807.2642 
1362 1807.4270but you understand I'm dealing with this woman.1808.7225 
1364 1809.0764Why you ain't sitting there telling your wife that I'm dealing with this-1811.2750 
1366 1811.4874this woman1812.0962 
1368 1813.2996and still- and still leading her on, letting everything /??/ so th- th-1816.9140 
1370 1817.0627is that- that's the problem right there.1818.4926 
1371DCB_int_011818.5917Mm.1818.9810
1372DCB_se2_ag4_m_011819.3633You [see what I'm saying?] Am I right?1820.4818
1373DCB_int_011819.5615[Mm-hm.]1819.9296
1374 1820.6163Right.1820.8924
1375DCB_se2_ag4_m_011820.8853Cause you ain't talking about it.1821.8765
1376 1822.0754Instead of saying, hey honey, I don't wanna be bothering with you no more. I'm- I'm just gonna leave.1825.7102
1378 1826.4110You ain't doing that. You- you- you playing a game. You still hustling.1829.5428 
1380 1830.6505You still hustling. That's- that what you doing. You still hustling.1834.0574 
1382 1834.7229And- and- and it's both sides. Everybody [always] wanna set up and say whether it's the1837.8588 
1383DCB_int_011836.3439[Mm.]1836.5819
1384DCB_se2_ag4_m_011838.0429whether- It's the man.1839.1472
1386 1839.5932It's the woman. No it's both sides! The women doing the same thing.1842.3793 
1387DCB_int_011843.3562Mm-hm.1843.8076
1388DCB_se2_ag4_m_011843.7527So the kids- the kids ain't no different.1845.8622
1389DCB_int_011845.9603Cause they see that.1846.8715
1390DCB_se2_ag4_m_011847.8484They doing the same thing.1848.9881
1392 1849.7010They doing the same thing.1850.7437 
1393DCB_int_011850.8711So let me ask you a couple questions [from-]1852.6521
1394DCB_se2_ag4_m_011852.4751[Yes], go ahead.1853.2184
1395DCB_int_011853.4095So, okay cause-1854.2944
1397 1854.6908<clears throat>1855.1793 
1399 1856.3827Well the first one I wanted to ask you is1858.5884 
1401 1859.2396did you go outside of your neighborhood? Like were you- did you travel [a lot?]1862.3859 
1402DCB_se2_ag4_m_011862.0287[Oh that-] that was beautiful. That- that- that- Well, the- the thing is1865.5511
1403 1865.8767when- when I was coming up in- in the- in the sixties, the seventies and everything1870.0433
1405 1870.5247y- you-1871.1051 
1407 1871.7352you couldn't.1872.2094 
1408DCB_int_011873.4553You couldn't.1873.9792
1410 1874.1349So you-1874.5101 
1412 1874.9065Why not?1875.3313 
1413DCB_se2_ag4_m_011876.8644<clears throat>1877.4449
1415 1877.6219There's Woodland Terrace.1879.6385 
1417 1879.9070There /Hawthorne/.1881.0641 
1419 1881.7941There's, uh,1882.9435 
1421 1885.2015Benning Road, there's, uh,1887.2349 
1423 1887.3486Barry Farms, this that and the other. You're not allowed- I mean, you went to school with these kids1892.4351 
1424DCB_int_011892.6991Right.1892.9942
1425DCB_se2_ag4_m_011892.9476but they live here.1893.8019
1426 1893.9649They live there.1894.4620
1428 1895.0988It's like- it-1895.7045 
1430 1896.2559You can't go on that turf.1897.3789 
1432 1898.4584Do you see what I'm saying?1899.3048 
1434 1899.4679It's like- it's like- well, th- th- this our worst thing. And- and- and- mm- exc- excuse the expression-1904.7302 
1436 1905.0020It's the same thing what you see on TV because really it is1908.4811 
1438 1908.6411because1909.2546 
1440 1909.8604if you look at it,1910.7379 
1442 1910.9864it's-1911.2971 
1444 1911.4265this where we live at.1912.5707 
1446 1913.0984You not allowed over- You not even allowed to talk to the girl over here.1916.2606 
1447DCB_int_011917.0719So if you was in Woodland Terrace, you didn't talk to Barry Farms, Benning Road- You didn't talk to-1920.9828
1448DCB_se2_ag4_m_011921.2003The only way we-1922.3030
1450 1922.5981only way we have1923.9649 
1452 1924.5710that thing was1925.9375 
1454 1926.4314through the recreation departments.1927.8083 
1456 1929.0371Because we went to play sports.1930.5629 
1457DCB_int_011930.9668Mm-hm. And that's where everybody could come together.1932.8694
1458DCB_se2_ag4_m_011932.9285Everybody come together.1933.8526
1460 1934.2564See cause I'm like this. Now we gonna- we gonna play these guys in baseball.1937.2230 
1462 1939.3711And- and- and- and still that was a problem then.1941.9028 
1464 1943.1143If you win,1943.8365 
1466 1944.6295there's a problem.1945.5396 
1468 1947.3747If you lose, there's a problem.1948.9978 
1470 1949.7666Because really, we didn't wanna /really/ want y'all there.1951.6818 
1472 1952.2331So we ha- there had to be a time whereas that1954.2212 
1474 1954.6095they have to-1955.4249 
1476 1957.1692it-1957.2779 
1478 1957.6196the- the- the-1958.3419 
1480 1958.6370the- the, uh-1959.6077 
1482 1960.1323the recreation department had to stand1961.8077 
1484 1962.1979so you can get on the bus.1963.1798 
1486 1964.6412So we can get- so we can get back on the bus to leave t- [leave] from the game.1967.9039 
1487DCB_int_011966.9520[/And then if-/]1967.2989
1489 1967.9006If people like, from the- would they just start fighting? Would [they start stabbing? Shooting? What would happen?]1972.0672 
1490DCB_se2_ag4_m_011970.3864[Yeah, /unintelligible/.] Everything.1972.8317
1491 1972.9733Everything.1973.5679
1492DCB_int_011974.3507[Wow.]1974.7542
1493DCB_se2_ag4_m_011974.3649It- it- it- it- it- it- it- it- it got bad. It- it g- got bad whereas that they'd just say well, look, we- we- we can't do this no more.1980.8604
1494 1981.4196So they had to find- they had to find a designated1983.7486
1496 1984.3716place for us,1985.2706 
1498 1985.5325just for the kids that really wanted to do something /or/ like play sports, this that and the other.1989.3734 
1500 1989.5929They had to find1990.0955 
1502 1990.3645a- we- w-1990.9945 
1504 1991.6458Although we gonna play Barry Farm, we can't play Barry Farm here.1994.0214 
1506 1994.1913And we can't Barry Farm in Woodland where I grew up at.1996.5627 
1508 1996.8883Okay, well we- we- we'll take it down Anacostia Park.1999.1484 
1509DCB_int_012000.7293Mm.2000.9770
1510DCB_se2_ag4_m_012000.9983We'll take it down to the park. We'll play the- we'll play the game down there. But we can't not go in this2005.1436
1512 2006.3611place2006.8142 
1514 2007.2602and play.2007.6637 
1516 2007.8619We can't.2008.1804 
1517DCB_int_012008.2937So y'all couldn't play in the neighborhoods. Y'all had to go somewhere [neutral.]2010.4852
1518DCB_se2_ag4_m_012010.1454[We had to-] we had to [go somewhere neutral.]2011.6179
1519DCB_int_012010.8463[Cause it's turf.]2011.7807
1520 2012.0921And you know there's still turf [wars.]2013.3664
1521DCB_se2_ag4_m_012013.3097And- and- and- and it's [still- and- and- and- it's still- it's-] Ain't nothing gonna change. It's- it's not gonna change because it's- it's-2018.9699
1522DCB_int_012014.0105[It's still turf wars.]2015.5679
1523DCB_se2_ag4_m_012019.6424it's- it's not-2020.3362
1525 2020.5698it's not2021.0228 
1527 2021.2500where you at. It's not Georgia.2022.9595 
1529 2023.1082It's not Washington DC.2024.3045 
1531 2024.6514It's the people2025.7982 
1533 2026.4848how they perceive theyself, talking about this is mines.2029.0710 
1534DCB_int_012029.9718Mm.2030.1842
1535DCB_se2_ag4_m_012030.1629Ain't nothing yours.2031.3522
1536 2031.6354It's for all of us2032.5415
1538 2032.9584but you wanna sit there and say, this is mine.2034.8129 
1539DCB_int_012035.5168So it started- this is a long [time. This ain't something new.]2038.6901
1540DCB_se2_ag4_m_012036.9487[Long time ago. /?/ I'm like this, what2038.9096
1541 2039.0511it's si- sixty three, where I remember2041.1648
1543 2041.3701<clears throat>2041.6533 
1545 2042.8624Martin Luther King got killed.2044.1488 
1547 2046.5873And2046.9500 
1549 2047.8788we wasn't even allowed to go up to the store.2049.3593 
1551 2050.2371You'd better have something in your /?/ name and then meantime th-2052.7755 
1553 2052.9844Once they got everything from the riot and everything at this time,2055.6849 
1555 2056.9520National Guard sitting around the stores, this that and the other, cause the windows and everything, this that and the other.2061.2460 
1557 2061.8097You know what I mean? You- you-2062.9804 
1559 2063.1921you had to wait.2063.9006 
1561 2064.9524Go /home/-2065.3559 
1563 2065.6290If you had to buy clothes or h- had to go get groceries, this that and the other,2068.4848 
1565 2069.0653you had-2069.3131 
1567 2069.6245you know, we walked,2070.5135 
1569 2070.7471this that and the other, but2071.5400 
1571 2072.3247that was then. And it's the same thing. Ain't none- ain't none of this is gonna change2076.2687 
1573 2076.7542because2077.3135 
1575 2077.7099the system-2078.6301 
1577 2080.3574I think-2080.8246 
1579 2081.8015I- I'm'a say- I'm'a put- I would put it more on the system because2084.8000 
1581 2088.0917if you-2088.6126 
1583 2088.8533I say the system because it's just like when we came back where we sitting there talking about the funding, the money that you giving to somebody,2094.5135 
1585 2094.6834this that and the other, and even right now, you-2096.4178 
1587 2097.1884A high school graduate2098.6972 
1589 2099.2140comes out don't make no money.2100.2900 
1591 2100.9898They go to college,2101.9718 
1593 2103.1681four to eight years in college and come out2105.2210 
1595 2105.3697and can't get a j- can't get a j- a decent job.2107.9435 
1597 2109.2177Or not only that,2110.1309 
1599 2110.2312they'll hire 'em,2111.2635 
1601 2111.7095but yet still I'm'a pay you this2113.2285 
1602DCB_int_012114.0072Mm.2114.3328
1603DCB_se2_ag4_m_012115.0117although I got that degree.2116.4481
1605 2117.0087Say I'm certified, this that and the other,2118.7359 
1607 2119.2062but yeah, I would like to have you here but we can't pay you that money.2122.3362 
1609 2124.3395So you right back at the same thing. You still struggling.2126.4603 
1610DCB_int_012126.6231Yeah.2126.9770
1611DCB_se2_ag4_m_012127.1469You still struggling.2128.0884
1613 2130.6410So- so I'm like this. I- I put it on them but2133.1681 
1615 2133.3239I-2133.5009 
1617 2133.6778I- I put it on the- on- on the system itself which is the government because I'm like this, y'all marketing, this that and the other.2139.2814 
1619 2141.1219And the ones who really getting over it is the one- just like this- this- this-2144.6372 
1621 2144.8496this- this-2145.4301 
1623 2145.6637c- uh, this Center right here.2146.9379 
1624DCB_int_012147.2494Mm-hm.2147.5679
1625DCB_se2_ag4_m_012147.9572You know what I mean? Th- that- that2149.2781
1627 2150.0426I'm like this.2150.8142 
1629 2151.0478The people who got this building right here2153.2140 
1631 2154.1413they making it. They ain't getting the people that work here the money they deserve. Doing what they doing for2158.9096 
1633 2159.2352the community, this that and the other,2160.7076 
1635 2161.2568because they- they have to- they- I'm- I- I understand. Yeah you h- We have to make money.2165.1361 
1637 2165.7166See so /I don't/ live nice, drive, this that and the other.2168.1417 
1639 2168.5301But they ain't getting the people that work here2170.1026 
1641 2170.6882their propers2171.5325 
1643 2171.7915in order for them to have so they wanted to go out there.2173.8161 
1645 2174.7009Or f-2175.0478 
1647 2175.4301whereas that they c-2176.1309 
1649 2176.4990set there and provide for they kids2178.1557 
1651 2178.4019and stop they kids from going out there.2179.9718 
1652DCB_int_012180.0143Yeah.2180.3258
1653DCB_se2_ag4_m_012181.0478So it- it's- it's- it's a catch twenty two but2183.6458
1654DCB_int_012183.7449[Mm-hm.]2184.1324
1655DCB_se2_ag4_m_012183.9785[my] thing is with- with me and you, it's for a- still, regardless how hard it is, it's- it's for me and you2189.5184
1656 2189.9643to make a change for ourself.2191.2356
1658 2191.7594Let's set up that little bit of money they give and do right things with it.2194.5839 
1660 2195.2140Don't think that you can turn anything around. You can't turn drugs around.2198.3187 
1662 2198.6018You can't set up there and go out there and sell drugs, thinking you gonna make it, this that and the other, cause of one of two things.2202.7939 
1664 2204.2946You gonna step on somebody toes.2205.6495 
1666 2207.0795You gonna wind up in jail, you gonna be dead.2208.5859 
1667DCB_int_012211.6478Do you ever feel like there was a time that you just was like, oh my God, I'm about to die? Somebody- Either I'm gonna get killed or some-2216.5452
1669 2216.7646something [where you just] felt like your life [was about to end.]2219.1309 
1670DCB_se2_ag4_m_012216.9912[It- it- it-]2217.5433
1672 2218.3008[Oh no, I-] I did it.2219.6812 
1673 2219.8581I- I-2220.2900
1675 2222.4093My brother-2223.0974 
1677 2223.4371I ha- I have a brother just passed away and, um,2225.7661 
1679 2226.3224and I got so bad on drugs, this that and the other, and, uh,2229.3310 
1681 2230.8671Almost got him killed.2231.7874 
1683 2233.3913Almost got him killed c-2234.2125 
1685 2234.3399for our-2234.7717 
1687 2234.9487for my stupidness, this that and the other, because2236.9096 
1689 2237.0582I wanted to get high.2238.0422 
1691 2238.9949And I- and I- I took- I took- took his stuff, this that and the other, not knowing that he had what he had for someone.2244.6156 
1693 2245.2214And I took it- I'm like, the man /bug/ that man that's my brother. Man, ain't worry about it.2248.4211 
1695 2248.7184And I2249.1290 
1697 2249.4883set there.2250.1030 
1699 2250.6834He come looking for it, and next thing I know he come in the house, his2254.0035 
1701 2254.7114face all2255.3697 
1703 2255.6175busted up and everything, this that and the other. And then I didn't know what was going on. He sitting there say, hey, hey, h- hey hey /RD-NAME-1/, uh, somebody took my stuff and I'm like, oh my God.2264.4178 
1705 2266.8317Yeah. At that time I said- I said, man, I need to kill myself.2269.5683 
1707 2271.2460Like man, I- I- I'm just setting up there and getting my brother hurt.2274.1413 
1709 2277.3593And the other day after we buried him2279.2793 
1711 2280.3254I looked at him, I say, man, Jesus Christ what I did.2282.9521 
1713 2283.0665He gone now.2283.9539 
1715 2285.7449I have to say, what do I do to myself?2287.4011 
1717 2288.5652And- and n- and- and- and this what helps me2291.3376 
1719 2292.1413right now today. I- I think I haven't had no drugs what, in almost2295.5503 
1721 2296.6618twenty, thirty years.2297.8086 
1723 2298.5306I don't want it no more.2299.5268 
1725 2300.7917I d- I-2301.5433 
1727 2301.6632You know, I'm like this. I don't knock nobody.2303.8298 
1729 2304.6976If that's what you think, if that's what you believe, this that and the other, you still a human being.2308.7467 
1731 2309.1502I don't want it.2309.9572 
1733 2310.6905I seen where it land me at. It land me in jail.2312.8535 
1735 2314.2371You know what I mean? I- I-2315.4688 
1737 2315.7944I-2316.0605 
1739 2316.2121I turned a head-2317.2498 
1741 2317.3875I turned2317.9806 
1743 2318.1843my mom head2319.1919 
1745 2320.3362ninety degrees, I turned my father head like that- that's my son.2323.3701 
1747 2324.3762What the- what are you doing? And I set up there and say, you know, all the people I hurt.2327.9028 
1749 2329.0173And I- I don't want it no more. It's-2330.5381 
1751 2331.0754it ain't nothing to do it. Not anymore. You- you smoke it or you get high /or nothing with it the more/ you still got the same problems.2336.1205 
1752DCB_int_012336.5381Mm.2336.8567
1753DCB_se2_ag4_m_012337.3593What you got?2337.9681
1754DCB_int_012338.6618Yup.2338.9096
1755DCB_se2_ag4_m_012339.0511And- and- (laughing) you still [got the same problem, and d- d-] but look at your pocket. Hey hey, your [pocket is-]2344.1521
1756DCB_int_012340.7401[Nothing /?/ yeah.]2341.7948
1758 2343.7982[Mm-hm.]2344.2158 
1759DCB_se2_ag4_m_012344.4129your pocket's fat like that.2345.6599
1760DCB_int_012345.7378Mm.2346.1130
1761DCB_se2_ag4_m_012346.1208Now everybody think you /guys/ finna getting high and doing what you doing now you2348.6327
1763 2348.8068things like that, now you right back and going doing the [same thing again.]2351.3909 
1764DCB_int_012350.6144[Same thing, yeah.]2351.6379
1765DCB_se2_ag4_m_012351.7724So it's- it's- it just a growing up thing, and I'm like this.2355.1995
1767 2355.4605Like I say, what hit me in my head when I got locked up2358.1312 
1769 2358.3802and-2358.7063 
1771 2360.0934and I looked at my mom and dad. I say, you know you didn't raise no dummy.2362.8420 
1772DCB_int_012363.5702Mm.2363.8032
1773DCB_se2_ag4_m_012364.3463You taught me right.2365.1933
1775 2365.6204Not only that, I- I'm getting older and I see it.2368.1832 
1777 2368.4317I'm watching my friends die.2369.7985 
1779 2370.0750I'm watching drive by shootings,2371.4263 
1781 2371.9171this that and the other, because2372.9504 
1783 2373.1115you there.2373.7095 
1785 2373.8108You walked over there, you went over there just to2375.6510 
1787 2376.1048pay.2376.4667 
1789 2376.7726Cop a bag.2377.5285 
1791 2378.2293Somebody just roll up <sound effects>2379.9637 
1793 2380.1778and you was just dead.2381.1597 
1794DCB_int_012382.1481Mm.2382.3821
1796 2382.4808Bullets ain't got no names.2383.6327 
1797DCB_se2_ag4_m_012383.5214And bullets ain't got no names.2384.6187
1798 2384.8735So2385.2275
1800 2385.4115but if you w- went- if you didn't go over there2387.4856 
1802 2387.6314to get it,2388.0844 
1803DCB_int_012388.4384You wouldn't have been part [of it.]2389.4011
1804DCB_se2_ag4_m_012389.1958[you wouldn't] have been part of it.2390.0311
1805DCB_int_012390.1161[Yeah.]2390.6399
1806DCB_se2_ag4_m_012390.2789[You'd been] on the basketball court or doing what you doing, at work, this that and the other, but [you weren't over] there.2394.2656
1807DCB_int_012393.5423[Mm.]2393.9953
1808DCB_se2_ag4_m_012395.0330So we- we- w-2396.2701
1810 2397.8079we chose- we chose our life.2399.9670 
1811DCB_int_012400.5162Mm-hm.2400.8843
1812DCB_se2_ag4_m_012401.0399We the ones that chose it. But see, mom and dad didn't chose it-2404.0946
1814 2404.3459didn't /choses/ your life. They- they set there and brought you in the world and simply tell you what's right or wrong.2408.0665 
1815DCB_int_012408.2293Hm.2408.4275
1817 2408.5428[But you choose] your direction. [Yeah.]2410.6008 
1818DCB_se2_ag4_m_012408.5762[But we ch-]2409.2345
1820 2409.7371[We choose the direction] that we wanna go.2411.6657 
1821 2412.4950And that's behind mom and dad back.2414.1656
1822DCB_int_012414.6895[Mm-hm.]2415.1921
1823DCB_se2_ag4_m_012414.9868[That's why] I keep telling parents2416.4426
1824 2416.5512y'all stop getting on the news and sit up there talking about,2418.8489
1826 2419.2029hey,2419.5639 
1828 2419.9618that ain't my son.2420.7956 
1830 2421.3407Cause you don't know.2422.1902 
1832 2423.7092And the problem that kids got right now today2425.8258 
1834 2425.9674is still lack of communication.2427.7159 
1835DCB_int_012428.3247Mm-hm.2428.7777
1836DCB_se2_ag4_m_012428.7423Cause it is a perm- It's always someone.2431.0330
1837DCB_int_012431.5993To talk to.2432.2293
1838DCB_se2_ag4_m_012432.2647To talk to.2432.8310
1840 2432.9797It is always someone.2434.3742 
1841DCB_int_012434.9476Right.2435.2379
1842DCB_se2_ag4_m_012436.1363The only problem we have, we don't wanna take it in.2438.4016
1844 2439.4469We wanna always- we wanna be the one sit up there and prove you wrong.2442.2897 
1845DCB_int_012442.6082Mm-hm.2443.0117
1847 2443.4436Mm-hm.2443.8754 
1848DCB_se2_ag4_m_012444.5266There's a better way.2445.3620
1850 2445.4965There's a better way.2446.3105 
1852 2446.9760No, it's not no better way. It's not no better way than s- sitting up- getting up in the morning,2451.0434 
1854 2451.5814taking care of yourself, washing your clothes2453.2945 
1856 2453.7517making sure you take care of each and every day.2455.5781 
1858 2455.9745Stop being ashamed of what you are.2457.3549 
1859DCB_int_012457.7655Yeah.2458.0132
1860DCB_se2_ag4_m_012458.3318And that's the problem we got.2459.3423
1862 2459.4432Hey, ac-2459.9741 
1864 2460.8135Hey, act like you can't go to school, this that and the other.2463.2204 
1866 2463.3796/Cause like/ we went to school. I mean I had holes in my tennis- this that and the other- but I'm like this, hey I went.2467.6276 
1868 2469.1425I don't care if you like me, you don't like me. It don't make no difference, I got- Hey, mom and dad, I got you this education.2473.6418 
1869DCB_int_012474.0877[Hm.]2474.3072
1870DCB_se2_ag4_m_012474.1798[That's] my thing. But a lot of kids right now today cause it's- it's getting /worser/ because2478.2331
1871 2478.8419the market now on clothes,2480.4688
1873 2480.5408this that and the other, how [nice they look, this that and the other.] Boy I'm like, the- a- a pair of tennis shoes when we was coming up, a motherfucking a pair of tennis shoes was five dollars.2487.0505 
1874DCB_int_012481.2799[/Sure/- Yeah.]2482.4733
1875DCB_se2_ag4_m_012487.5433Mother fucking, uh, Converse was- wasn't no more than what, seven dollars?2490.7357
1876DCB_int_012491.0117Now eighty, ninety, two hundred dollars.2492.9562
1877DCB_se2_ag4_m_012492.9868Two- three hundred dollars for a pair of tennis shoes.2494.7990
1878DCB_int_012494.8698Mm-hm.2495.2874
1879DCB_se2_ag4_m_012495.6500Come on, dog.2496.5375
1881 2497.3728I'll tell my son right now today, who you- who you talking to?2499.7230 
1882DCB_int_012500.0061<laugh>2500.6362
1883DCB_se2_ag4_m_012501.7021And I- I set up there and say /?/ you look just as good. I- I put them two shoes now- I- I could find the same shoes-2507.2449
1885 2507.9882same shoes look- look direct look just like them shoes,2511.4469 
1887 2511.6876ain't the three thousand,2512.6535 
1889 2512.9052but these ain't nothing but fifty nine dollars.2514.3746 
1890DCB_int_012514.9410[Mm-hm.]2515.4223
1891DCB_se2_ag4_m_012515.2454[Or eighty] dollars.2516.0382
1892 2516.7372Man I never pa-2517.5885
1894 2517.7938paid eighty dollars for a pair of goddamn tennis shoes [a day in my life but I'm sitting up] and tell you hey,2521.4931 
1895DCB_int_012519.8933[<laugh>]2520.8135
1896DCB_se2_ag4_m_012521.7763look.2522.0594
1898 2522.2576These look just as good,2523.2204 
1900 2523.3478and I bet you I could dress you2524.5263 
1902 2525.4432with three hundred dollars I could dress you for half- half- six months into school before you- I had to buy you some [more] /wardrobe/.2530.5982 
1903DCB_int_012529.9321[Hm.]2530.0734
1904DCB_se2_ag4_m_012531.4786He don't understand. Oh, dad, man, this that and the other. Well you need to get a job, son.2534.6187
1906 2535.2345You need to finish school.2536.3035 
1908 2536.4952You need to do what you have to do.2537.5243 
1910 2537.7759And get a job2538.4826 
1912 2538.9056and make your money.2539.6488 
1914 2540.0112I'm not against you.2541.0717 
1916 2541.2699But, uh, that ain't me.2542.9901 
1918 2543.5706I'm not- I'm not- I'm- I'm not caught up with2545.7126 
1920 2545.9532what's going on out there.2547.0222 
1921DCB_int_012547.1567Mm-hm.2547.5531
1922DCB_se2_ag4_m_012549.0043And that's what kids are.2550.0449
1923DCB_int_012550.5375Yeah.2550.7711
1924DCB_se2_ag4_m_012551.3303What kids [are.]2552.0594
1925DCB_int_012551.7480[And that's] the same [thing-]2552.9301
1926DCB_se2_ag4_m_012552.3780[And- and- and-] and- and- and my thing is, my wife sit up there and t-2555.3441
1927 2555.5210ask me the other day,2556.6295
1929 2558.0594she say,2558.5337 
1931 2559.6168the reason why the kids is where you are because2562.1481 
1933 2562.4808you brought them everything.2563.6064 
1935 2564.0099Well my thing is, what I t- tell my wife, I say2566.6291 
1937 2566.7707what I did,2567.6697 
1939 2568.9197don't get me wrong,2569.7196 
1941 2569.9674I said, but what I did,2571.1071 
1943 2571.3620I set up there,2572.1194 
1945 2572.4521I became a plumber.2573.2237 
1947 2573.4432I made good money.2574.2289 
1949 2575.2878My thing- If I can give them2576.9018 
1951 2578.4026the shoes and things they want, buy 'em,2580.1623 
1953 2580.3676this that and the other,2580.7923 
1955 2580.9171they ain't gotta go out here and hustle.2582.0665 
1956DCB_int_012582.7036Mm-hm.2583.2204
1957DCB_se2_ag4_m_012583.1354Cause I did it.2583.7159
1958 2583.9283That's what I did.2584.6617
1960 2585.3439See I got caught up- I got caught up in that. I got caught up in where is that,2588.3284 
1962 2588.5054I didn't have this.2589.3136 
1964 2589.6097I got- I got caught up in my shame.2590.8202 
1966 2591.0609I got caught up in, you know, hey man, moms looking at me. I can't get the girls, this that and the other. Ain't nobody-2595.7655 
1968 2596.0233you know, I got caught up. That- that was- that was the /worlds/ was working and- and making money cause I wanna look2600.7191 
1970 2601.1156and- and this, that- and be popular.2602.7054 
1971DCB_int_012602.9815Mm-hm.2603.3637
1972DCB_se2_ag4_m_012604.1283So I said when- when I had my kids I say,2605.9121
1974 2606.0537you know what man, pssh.2607.1297 
1976 2607.4959Watch my butt, this that and the other, make- put money away, this that and the other.2609.8876 
1978 2610.1070Hey,2610.4185 
1980 2611.3175/And he-/ want that coat right there? That's my son.2613.6890 
1982 2613.8913You want that coat? We getting that coat.2615.3071 
1984 2616.1424It-2616.4610 
1986 2616.7300it was to keep them2617.8060 
1988 2618.8536not from going out there2620.0187 
1990 2620.1815think they had to hustle.2621.0735 
1992 2622.5601Dressing 'em nice, this that and the other. You ain't gotta go out there and do th- that, son. I- I already been through that.2626.7266 
1993DCB_int_012627.0876Right.2627.4133
1994DCB_se2_ag4_m_012628.4043This what I'm doing this for you for.2629.6998
1996 2630.5876My daughter, just got finished- finished college. Hey,2632.6275 
1998 2633.7035pssh,2633.9513 
2000 2634.1920money,2634.5105 
2002 2634.6946hey.2635.0342 
2004 2635.9334You're not going there- we ain't gotta hustle to get you through it-2638.0824 
2006 2638.3939school. No, that d- hey, tha- this Daddy job.2641.1264 
2007DCB_int_012641.7493Mm-hm.2642.1528
2008DCB_se2_ag4_m_012642.1104It's not my wife job. This- this mine.2643.7456
2009 2643.8679Cause y'all my kids.2644.8824
2011 2645.8168You see what I'm saying?2646.5176 
2012DCB_int_012646.4964Right.2646.7724
2013DCB_se2_ag4_m_012646.7583I don't want anything no more.2647.9121
2014 2648.7191It's y'all.2649.1864
2016 2649.3308This is y'all /life/.2649.9452 
2018 2650.2028And that's why I did it.2650.9956 
2020 2651.3779But see,2651.8946 
2022 2652.2627and- and it turns around whereas that2653.8767 
2024 2654.6342your kids does what they wanna do.2656.0694 
2026 2656.6417[Regardless]. You get 'em- you get 'em- Mama, you could get 'em2659.5157 
2027DCB_int_012656.7340[Hm.]2656.8340
2028DCB_se2_ag4_m_012659.7851fifty million dollars.2660.7829
2030 2662.4647It wouldn't make no difference. They still going out there, do what they wanna do.2664.7087 
2032 2666.1670They gonna do what they wanna do.2667.5134 
2034 2668.9461It's not that they're not satisfied.2670.3265 
2035DCB_int_012671.5653But they- you know, just, they2672.3864
2036DCB_se2_ag4_m_012672.5280They [just-]2672.9173
2037DCB_int_012672.7191[got] minds of their own.2673.6182
2038DCB_se2_ag4_m_012673.6323Got [minds of their owns.]2675.1301
2039DCB_int_012673.8842[That's what you said, yeah.]2675.1443
2040DCB_se2_ag4_m_012676.2919So I learn.2677.0273
2042 2677.6148I- I- I- I learned it the hard way. It took me a long time to learn it. I st- I mean I s- I'm still struggling.2683.0627 
2043DCB_int_012683.5653Mm.2683.9546
2044DCB_se2_ag4_m_012683.9809I'm still struggling with understanding them.2685.9533
2046 2686.1566Understanding life, society itself,2688.0645 
2048 2688.5671but we- it's still a struggle but it's not- it's not2690.8466 
2050 2691.1368whereas that now2691.9792 
2052 2692.5486I don't have to worry about it no more. It's not enough for-2694.5176 
2054 2694.8574to- to kill me.2695.7069 
2056 2695.8980Or me just say I'm just gonna commit suicide. I don't understand.2698.6204 
2058 2698.9036No no no no.2699.5549 
2060 2699.7389I'm just gonna watch y'all- /??/ sit and watch y'all and do what y'all doing, this that and the other. Y'all gonna do that anyway!2704.2382 
2061DCB_int_012704.2594<laugh>2705.0169
2062DCB_se2_ag4_m_012704.9885So why I'm'a worry myself? I'm'a sit back with a straw. I'm like this. I'm a old2708.4218
2063 2708.5917country boy. I'm'a sit back with a straw in my /what's his name, sitting back/ my- my2711.8663
2065 2712.1920pipe tobacco, this that and the other. My little drink, this that and t-2714.3793 
2067 2714.6979Dad, there you go again.2715.7527 
2068DCB_int_012716.3231<laugh>2717.0735
2069DCB_se2_ag4_m_012717.4841Th- th- there- there she go again,2719.0556
2071 2719.2631this that and the other. Oh she pregnant again, this that and the oth- I'm just gonna sit back and watch because2722.9390 
2073 2723.2151hey-2723.4062 
2075 2725.8201Our2726.2661 
2077 2726.4360kids today- the kids today-2728.1703 
2079 2728.9815our children cause everybody's o- you know, we're- we're part of the Lord.2732.2165 
2081 2732.9975This ours now.2733.7514 
2083 2734.9602This is what we have to do2736.1636 
2085 2736.6733because we killing ourself worrying when2738.9315 
2087 2741.0381they- they don't- they don't- they don't care-2742.8574 
2089 2743.1405I ain't gonna say they don't care.2744.2944 
2091 2744.6767[But they not- they not] searching. They not reaching out for answers.2747.7312 
2092DCB_int_012744.7059[Right. Mm.]2745.3670
2093 2747.7885Right.2748.1282
2094DCB_se2_ag4_m_012749.3671You know what I mean?2750.0325
2096 2750.2661And I was telling my daughter the other day, she- she- she- she got this job, this that and the other, and she said well oh my- my- my- my- um,2756.6483 
2098 2757.8361the people that worked for her say /where they at/ as long as I did my fifty hours, this that and the other, and, uh,2762.8536 
2100 2763.2855I'm-2763.5545 
2102 2763.8420I can go and do what I wanna do. I said, no, hold up. Why- why you only gonna just do2767.4591 
2104 2767.7635to get your pay fifty hours.2768.9881 
2106 2769.1515I say, what-2769.7993 
2108 2769.9376why don't you research yourself and2771.3496 
2110 2771.9088do a little bit more?2772.7795 
2112 2772.9208Put yourself- put yourself way ahead of the game.2775.2934 
2113DCB_int_012775.5657Mm.2775.9904
2114DCB_se2_ag4_m_012776.1391You see what I'm saying?2776.9602
2115DCB_int_012777.1082[Mm-hm.]2777.4629
2116DCB_se2_ag4_m_012777.1301[You ain't gotta] sitting and say well I did this I did that. Put yourself way ahead of the game.2780.2944
2117 2780.5138So when it come back to say you need this done, this that and the other, you can al- you already on top.2784.4751
2118DCB_int_012785.1759Mm-hm, you're already [did it.]2786.1245
2119DCB_se2_ag4_m_012785.8838[Ins-] instead of getting you2787.1014
2120 2787.2288the two days that you wanted to take a leave,2789.7672
2122 2789.9779/mother/, you probably take a mother fucking week and you sit up and say hey,2792.6413 
2124 2793.5898uh, yeah, the paperwork on my desk.2795.0836 
2126 2795.9230It's done. You- you somewhere else.2797.5440 
2127DCB_int_012797.6715<laugh>2798.0466
2128DCB_se2_ag4_m_012797.9475You sitting there, you enjoying yourself. Mi- mi- mines is done. It's already- oh- go-2801.4557
2129 2802.0150uh, did y- di- uh, open up, uh, which name?2803.8697
2131 2804.5945It's already typed in. Did y- did y- did you get it?2806.3096 
2133 2807.1160Did you get it?2807.6327 
2134DCB_int_012807.7675[Mm-hm.]2808.1641
2135DCB_se2_ag4_m_012807.8734[Tell you what], go to so and so and so and so and so and so- and click that /thing there/.2810.1953
2136 2810.5351Oh yeah. Hey, hey, h-2811.7243
2138 2811.9267hey honey I got it.2812.8470 
2140 2813.7460You done. You be <sound effect>.2815.0627 
2142 2816.1457And that's the smart part about it.2817.5969 
2143DCB_int_012817.6889Right.2818.0287
2144DCB_se2_ag4_m_012819.4557And in my trade I alrea- I always learned that.2821.6715
2146 2822.0537The- the, uh, the guy sit up and say why- why- why you ain't here at- at three o'clock in the morning? What-2826.4963 
2148 2826.8894/RD-NAME-2/ you wanted to be here to, uh,2828.4431 
2150 2828.8678six.2829.3421 
2152 2830.0731H- O- <laugh>2830.8894 
2154 2833.5723Well, hey /RD-NAME-1/,2834.6059 
2156 2834.7545this need to be done.2835.7922 
2158 2835.9479We need to get that done, this that and the other, /uh uh uh oh oh/.2838.3831 
2160 2838.8715Hey look, I'll tell you what, um,2840.0396 
2162 2841.5615it's already done. Can I- can I take the rest of the day?2843.6752 
2164 2844.0079What /RD-NAME-1/?2844.5884 
2166 2845.0131Oh it's done.2845.5511 
2168 2845.7281Toilet already installed.2846.7758 
2170 2848.3019Pipes- pipes already in.2849.5407 
2172 2849.7247Well you, uh- Huh?2850.7229 
2174 2851.6219/RD-NAME-1/ you can't do that- you can't do this.2853.1863 
2176 2853.5615I- I got it done.2854.5106 
2178 2855.5619So when your boss sit up and say something to you2857.4874 
2180 2857.9334you can sit up and say hey,2858.9032 
2182 2859.2408/RD-NAME-2/ got it done.2859.9863 
2184 2860.6410Or I got it done,2861.4448 
2186 2861.6311you know, the-2862.1786 
2188 2862.4582this is my crew.2863.2309 
2190 2863.3829/RD-NAME-1/ is on my crew. We got it done.2864.7903 
2192 2865.0039It's done.2865.4699 
2194 2868.5009I- I- [I did it.]2869.3125 
2195DCB_int_012868.9209[That's much] smarter.2869.6775
2196DCB_se2_ag4_m_012870.0526I did it.2870.5263
2198 2871.2485I got smarter. I- I- I- I- I beat myself. I beat my- I beat the game.2874.6986 
2199DCB_int_012875.0527Mm-hm.2875.4798
2200DCB_se2_ag4_m_012876.7707And was honest. Well only thing wasn't honest was you saying that you wasn't sposta be here.2880.3828
2202 2881.6041And this man gotta pay you. They gotta pay you. They ain't gotta pay me nothing.2884.2739 
2204 2885.2929I- I did this for me.2886.3646 
2205DCB_int_012887.1071Mm.2887.5575
2206DCB_se2_ag4_m_012889.7164And I- I- I w- I'm working at /RD-WORK-3/.2892.1394
2208 2893.1847You know, and I'm like this. I went in there, I did what I had to do.2895.5223 
2210 2896.1358Not only that, I had a test on the system. I'm- I'm testing2899.1459 
2212 2899.9458three floors.2900.6370 
2214 2900.8234I got water on the system. I had water on the system from yesterday to /??/.2904.1782 
2216 2905.3556You know how much pressure on them pipes?2906.7379 
2218 2907.4291And I'm like this. I went in there to make sure. I walked in there-2909.8288 
2220 2910.0385walked in there, the mother fucking- so much w- water pressure on the mother fucking pipes the mother fucking /??/ burst.2913.6310 
2222 2914.0038I h- I had to release the plug.2915.2230 
2224 2915.4016I had to release the plug.2916.3957 
2226 2916.7655Man sitting up there telling me-2917.6895 
2228 2918.2564the security come in talking about what you doing here?2919.9184 
2230 2920.3222I'm like this. Who you talking to, dog, this is- Hey, this is my thing. I come and put this in here to make sure this building be operating when I leave.2926.5629 
2232 2926.9435So I'm like this, I release the plug, this that and the other. And th- and my boys jumped on me and set up there and tell me and say hey, why- why was-2932.7027 
2234 2933.0289w- what you do here /RD-NAME-1/? Ho, ho, ho.2935.1915 
2236 2935.7051I set up there, I was laying down in my bed, and I said, man, you know what?2938.3299 
2238 2939.7045I got so much pressure on that line. I said, man, jump up.2941.9924 
2240 2942.1555I s- I jumped up and- and it's a good thing I did.2944.6163 
2242 2944.7648Cause I woulda flooded- I woulda flooded half that hospital.2947.4255 
2244 2949.2505I went in, I released the plug, this that and the other. [I] told 'em say, hey that's enough. But /RD-NAME-1/ you can't do that, this that and the other.2954.1943 
2245DCB_int_012950.8832[Hm.]2951.0333
2246DCB_se2_ag4_m_012954.5205I'm like,2954.9709
2248 2956.9124where'd I went wrong at?2957.8831 
2250 2958.5013Now I'm questioning myself.2959.7128 
2252 2961.3126Not only that,2962.0038 
2254 2962.2368now I'm gonna get fired because I wasn't sposta be at the job, this that and the other, because, you know, they got,2966.3419 
2256 2966.5748you know, security, this that and the other, [I want-] I'm like,2968.6018 
2257DCB_int_012967.7723[Mm.]2967.9297
2258DCB_se2_ag4_m_012969.1687I- I- I'm doing my job.2970.1872
2260 2974.1280It-2974.3765 
2262 2975.9608The way all this works out not /keep saying- saying/ everybody is wrong, this that and the other, and then- and then a lot2982.2175 
2264 2982.6256<clears throat>2982.9984 
2266 2983.5342that we do, and then growing up in Southeast I'm like this, I learned2986.8503 
2268 2987.7713to me2988.3305 
2270 2988.5246was right and wrong, and I learned to get a handle on myself.2990.9398 
2271DCB_int_012991.6543Mm.2991.9261
2273 2992.3532And that's carried you.2993.2852 
2274DCB_se2_ag4_m_012994.1006And it- and it- and it gon- gonna carry me.2995.8293
2276 2996.1322My- my- my growing- my- my parents-2998.7648 
2278 3001.6324when I seen what my3002.6525 
2280 3002.8001parents went through because I'm like this, dad we had-3005.7433 
2282 3006.0928I got- /on my-/3007.1537 
2284 3007.3478all us, my seven brothers, we all right behind each other.3010.4309 
2285DCB_int_013011.4560Mm-hm.3011.8493
2286DCB_se2_ag4_m_013011.7977One was born one year, I was born next year, another one born the next year, this that and the other. I said [/??/-]3015.6776
2287DCB_int_013015.4524[Oh], just step step step [step step step.]3017.2075
2288DCB_se2_ag4_m_013016.5940[Step step step], every year.3017.9608
2289 3018.5712You know what I mean, and my- my sisters-3020.4195
2291 3021.2014Well, my older sister was right behind3022.9124 
2293 3023.1764the rest of- but the-3023.8132 
2295 3024.0773the two youngest ones,3025.1422 
2297 3026.9165we were so close and so close knit3028.9083 
2299 3029.2230because I'm like this the thing is with my parents done, they had us in- where they couldn't afford us.3033.1107 
2301 3033.7242Like I tell you about poverty, this that and the other, ain't got the money, this that and the other, and no means to set up there, it ain't got no room3038.9942 
2303 3039.3592really3039.7941 
2305 3040.0970cause we was3040.7493 
2307 3041.3551being placed3042.3103 
2309 3042.8353with my aunts,3043.6196 
2311 3044.0157this that and the other. Everybody's tryna help until they got to the point where they wasn't no more help, so we got into foster home.3048.5588 
2313 3049.3770But what I learned from my parents, then3051.1262 
2315 3051.5456is to keep it together.3052.5629 
2317 3052.9046Let- let's- let's keep this together. I'm like this regardless, this that and the other.3056.7923 
2319 3057.1651And although my dad was, um,3058.9590 
2321 3059.6424a gas station attendant, my mom,3061.0760 
2323 3061.3323you know, finally got a job working in uh, a Government Treasury Department,3064.1591 
2325 3064.6872they still was there for us3066.1938 
2327 3068.1865and3068.6387 
2329 3068.8078our thing was to listen.3070.2290 
2331 3071.1997It ain't like they didn't want us.3072.4423 
2332DCB_int_013072.7265Mm-hm.3073.1614
2333DCB_se2_ag4_m_013074.7690And it- and it- and it comes out that if we- if we paid attention3077.8754
2335 3078.1208I think that we all woulda beens3079.5264 
2337 3079.7827more successful than what we are.3081.4058 
2339 3083.4172Cause I done killed- I done killed five of my years being in Lorton.3086.5904 
2340DCB_int_013087.6931Mm.3088.0659
2341DCB_se2_ag4_m_013088.1047And- and- and- and I looked at- and I look at what I make today,3090.8586
2343 3091.0515how much I make a hour now,3092.4040 
2345 3092.8777you know /the/- well you know how much money I had?3094.9637 
2346DCB_int_013097.0838Mm.3097.4255
2347DCB_se2_ag4_m_013097.8448And- and- and- and- and- and it come from3099.5223
2349 3099.9727my thinking, not their's.3101.5492 
2350DCB_int_013101.6735Right.3102.0074
2351DCB_se2_ag4_m_013102.2994I didn't pay attention to them.3103.5187
2353 3105.0408And that's what's wrong with today,3106.2368 
2355 3106.7571don't nobody pay attention.3107.6968 
2357 3108.4936Don't nobody pay attention, don't nobody wanna hear what you gotta say.3111.1651 
2359 3112.4542[Everybody] wanna make it,3113.5570 
2360DCB_int_013112.6068[Hm.]3112.7426
2361 3114.1752[Mm-hm.]3114.6023
2362DCB_se2_ag4_m_013114.3305[but it ain't]- ain't nobody paying attention what nobody saying.3116.5360
2363 3117.5378And that's our problem. Cause we won't take five minutes to sit.3119.9608
2364DCB_int_013120.4625[Mm, right.]3120.8275
2365DCB_se2_ag4_m_013120.7110[It's like] you go to school.3121.6585
2366 3121.9506The teachers sit up there tryna tell you3123.5362
2368 3123.8760how to get your head, but you like this3125.3768 
2370 3125.6953/hey girlfriend/,3126.7825 
2372 3126.9383what's going on?3127.6320 
2374 3127.9152Hey buddy, this that and the- play that music- bap bap bap.3130.4282 
2376 3131.1856Ain't no-3131.5716 
2378 3132.1625ain't-3132.3820 
2380 3132.7896The good stuff is-3133.6037 
2382 3133.8161is- is- is- is- is /going on/. You don't hear that but you can hear that- that-3137.2635 
2384 3137.4122that bebop,3138.1838 
2386 3138.3649this that and the other, this that and the other.3139.6179 
2388 3139.8585And the same thing growing up in- in- in- when we was3142.0530 
2390 3142.3008coming up in Southeast DC, it's the same thing. You don't- you ain't wanna listen.3145.2073 
2392 3145.9647Only thing you- your thing was living in Southeast, you just wanna3149.0228 
2394 3149.7732be a part of it.3150.5090 
2395DCB_int_013151.5966Mm.3151.8656
2396DCB_se2_ag4_m_013151.8727That's what it is, being a part of it.3153.2708
2398 3153.8052Hey.3154.0672 
2400 3154.2512He got them pair of shoes,3155.5042 
2402 3155.6529I'm'a /try to/ find and get them shoes, so therefore /as a result/ I gotta find a way.3159.0620 
2404 3159.4088If I had to rob and steal you,3160.6760 
2406 3160.9733if I have to sell drugs, this what I'm'a do.3162.4386 
2407DCB_int_013163.4409Did you party a lot?3164.2408
2408DCB_se2_ag4_m_013164.8638Oh L-3165.2035
2410 3165.4655Oh well, see, no no. See, down in Southeast partying was a good party Southeast.3169.6249 
2412 3169.7736Now [let me tell you.]3170.6231 
2413DCB_int_013170.0568[Y'all had go gos] and-3171.2248
2414DCB_se2_ag4_m_013172.8105Well, when we was coming up, what- what g- what y'all call-3175.9647
2416 3176.2479well they uh-3177.0761 
2418 3177.9468Yeah, go gos. Let's put it like that.3179.4334 
2420 3180.0068But3180.3083 
2422 3180.5277when we was coming up, see in- in my time- when I was coming up early3183.7274 
2424 3184.1238I- Like this.3185.0087 
2426 3185.1721You have to learn to dance.3186.3334 
2427DCB_int_013186.5843Mm-hm.3187.0657
2428DCB_se2_ag4_m_013187.7736So you had to learn to dance, you had to learn to bop.3189.6495
2429DCB_int_013190.1521[Mm-hm.]3190.5485
2430DCB_se2_ag4_m_013190.2866[Slow] jazz, this that and the other. You had to learn that thing, and then you have to get your [/what's that-/]3193.9259
2431DCB_int_013193.3347[Explain] bop to me, for it- cause I-3195.4371
2432 3195.6000I've heard it but I don't really3196.9025
2434 3197.1432understand it.3197.9360 
2435DCB_se2_ag4_m_013198.7967It's- it's-3199.8727
2437 3200.6443it's a- it's a- it's a s-3201.9610 
2439 3203.5113it's where you could learn3205.0728 
2441 3205.4621to3205.7240 
2443 3205.9435dance3206.5948 
2445 3206.8354with a woman and hold her tight3208.5202 
2447 3209.1432and spin her3210.0068 
2449 3212.2618in the rhythm that you had to do it cause it- it's-3214.5981 
2451 3216.3537Man,3216.8109 
2453 3217.1082it-3217.2356 
2455 3217.4621don't nobody know the feeling. No- I'm like this3220.1026 
2457 3220.4070because I'm like this cause I- I-3221.7307 
2459 3221.8794my- m- my baby brother,3223.4480 
2461 3224.2408which is3225.0053 
2463 3225.4159cause I used to go- I used to be a wallflower.3227.0228 
2464DCB_int_013227.6175<laugh>3228.1909
2465DCB_se2_ag4_m_013228.2233I used to be a [wallflower /unintelligible/] I ever tell you, I used to be a wallflower and I'm like this, cause I'm like this you wanna go out with your friends,3234.5519
2466DCB_int_013228.6268[I don't believe it.]3229.4834
2467DCB_se2_ag4_m_013235.0940because I-3235.6391
2469 3236.4461My thing I was always into sports.3238.1946 
2471 3238.6972Me and most of my friends, yeah this all we do, man. It's- it's constant. When you go to work, come home, this that and the other.3243.2319 
2473 3243.7911We'll come home, man, look,3245.1502 
2475 3245.8015dressed,3246.1201 
2477 3246.3153we going the basketball court.3247.3559 
2479 3247.8231We going throw the3248.6089 
2481 3249.0053baseball, this that and the other. I-3250.4990 
2483 3250.8459Sports my thing. That's why I tell 'em /more about/ ping pong.3253.0966 
2485 3253.5258I'm like this, I- I was a sp-3254.7505 
2487 3255.2389I love sports.3255.9964 
2489 3256.1946I'm a sports fanatic. I wanna be the best.3257.9826 
2491 3258.9808I'm'a tell you. I'm'a be the best catcher ever, be the best everything. Best ping pong player in there, that's what I think, shoot pool, this that and the other.3264.1909 
2493 3264.8250But I- when I started going out my- my baby brother which is younger than me. See /RD-NAME-2/, and, uh,3269.5042 
2495 3270.6480hey, we go to parties, that and the other, and I'm like this, dang. I see a nice girl. I wanna dance, and I'm like,3275.2140 
2497 3275.4617man, I don't even know how to do that, this that and the other.3277.5400 
2499 3278.1346Shorty what you doing? Man, shorty, shorty. Come on man. Look /??/. I'm like man, I ain't wanna ask her out. I'm scared to- I ain't getting up there getting embarrassed, this that and the other. You know, I know how to jump around, this that and the other.3286.9745 
2501 3288.5712I came home3289.5808 
2503 3289.9536and I told my dad.3291.0020 
2505 3292.2212I tell- I didn't tell him it was my baby brother3294.1549 
2507 3294.4345but I told him my dad, and3295.4643 
2509 3296.3030with not knowing3297.6310 
2511 3298.1824that my dad3298.9901 
2513 3301.2003taught my baby brother3302.2254 
2514DCB_int_013302.8777[How to bop.]3303.3903
2515DCB_se2_ag4_m_013303.0062[/??/]3303.4446
2516 3305.2541So I'm like this cause now I say growing up with my parents and everything cause in my- in my home, this that and the other, it was3310.7538
2518 3312.1838tremendous. I mean,3313.2781 
2520 3313.6603you know, we didn't have too much of anything but3315.4655 
2522 3315.7274even after they finish they'll- they sit and play the music,3318.0087 
2524 3318.3466drink,3318.6935 
2526 3318.9312this that and the other. And I always watch my- my father be sitting there dancing with my moms.3322.5073 
2528 3324.1541I told dad and he sit there and say, /hey mom, mom,/3327.5950 
2530 3327.7769this that and the other.3328.3432 
2532 3328.5769Hey, my dad grabbed me and3330.2262 
2534 3330.5419turned me around a couple times and I'm like this,3332.9699 
2536 3333.7769and my mom would say dad- no dad, no no no no no no no no no and my mom grab me, this that and the other. And I'm like, [/oh/]3339.6000 
2537DCB_int_013338.9487[<laugh>]3339.5929
2538DCB_se2_ag4_m_013339.7769dog, I say this is heaven.3341.2989
2540 3341.7236Well I stepped out and I'm like this,3343.7374 
2542 3344.0497I was working, this that and the other. And I'm like, well I'm'a get me some clothes.3346.8462 
2544 3347.3888Man, I-3347.8369 
2546 3349.4055That's the most beau-3350.3541 
2548 3350.5806This- that's why I-3351.5504 
2550 3352.3220The thing is now, and don't nobody know it, even young kids, that I- I- I prefer the young kids to go to a oldies but goodies party3359.0653 
2552 3359.7590and watch3360.5519 
2554 3360.9383these people just to have fun. It's- it's- it's- it's- it's- it's- it's just how you doing, it's just3365.6245 
2556 3366.1384constant fun.3366.8533 
2558 3367.5329It's fun. You meet people.3368.5836 
2560 3368.8425It's not no3369.6212 
2562 3370.0389tryna3370.4070 
2564 3370.7397meet somebody. It's not this that and the other. It's just funny.3373.7031 
2566 3373.9925[It- it's] just dancing. Yeah and I'm like, the pleasure, and- and whether you know it or not that's exercise.3378.2475 
2567DCB_int_013374.0033[Mm.]3374.3859
2568 3378.3727Mm- <laugh>3379.0064
2569DCB_se2_ag4_m_013378.9055Don't nobody even know that this is exercise.3381.0455
2570 3381.7168But it- but it- it's- it's our culture.3383.7679
2572 3383.8912It's- it's- it's a part of your culture whether you know it or not.3386.1713 
2574 3386.6062It's not drugs. It's not no drugs there. It's not nothing there.3389.5029 
2576 3389.7025And people just sitting in there drinking,3391.2705 
2578 3391.5734you know, and having a nice time,3392.9324 
2580 3393.0722smoking their cigarettes, this that and the other.3394.3458 
2582 3394.6564And- and- and trying to get it on.3396.0155 
2584 3396.6057Hey, you know, swing you /go bop/.3398.5130 
2586 3398.9169/Get baby though- Hand to Jesus/3401.0758 
2588 3401.8213Beautiful.3402.2019 
2590 3402.5172And don't nobody know3403.4336 
2592 3404.3267And don't nobody know how beautiful it is.3406.1284 
2594 3406.3225[/And that ?/]3406.7989 
2595DCB_int_013406.3225[But y'alls] big deal was dancing.3408.4892
2596DCB_se2_ag4_m_013408.7191[Yeah, it's dancing-]3409.5889
2597DCB_int_013408.7191[So y'all- What kind] of music?3410.2412
2598DCB_se2_ag4_m_013412.3691Aw, slow music, uh-huh. [Slowly-] slow jam.3415.0717
2599DCB_int_013413.6194[Oh that slow-]3414.3494
2600DCB_se2_ag4_m_013415.4180Slow jam.3416.3733
2602 3417.1576Play another slow jam.3418.2604 
2604 3419.2234And it- and that was the thing. I mean we had- we ha- you know, you had your hip hop, this that and [the other.]3423.7789 
2605DCB_int_013423.4061[Mm-hm.]3423.7556
2606DCB_se2_ag4_m_013424.4002But a lot of times in- in- in DC the go go- It's like- it's like this. It- When it- when it came, in- t- go go parties, this that and the other,3431.5495
2608 3432.6135you c- you- you had to party there.3434.1403 
2610 3434.6994You had to party in your neighborhood. You can't go to somebody else because I'm like this. You go there, this that and the other. Hey, somebody,3440.0781 
2612 3440.4820hey,3440.7848 
2614 3441.0023get jealous3441.7478 
2616 3442.2215cause you dancing with the girl. You wind up getting stabbed, shot, this that and the other, or it'd be a fight.3446.2723 
2618 3446.6606This that and-3447.0256 
2620 3447.1731You couldn't go out your neighborhood.3448.4934 
2621DCB_int_013448.4002So it's like block [parties?]3449.8691
2622DCB_se2_ag4_m_013449.5651[Yeah] it's like block parties. It's- it's- right here. This- this is it. This- this is where we this that and the other.3453.7401
2623 3453.9730And- and- th- they was good parties. You d- you- Very seldom you really hear somebody,3457.6355
2625 3458.0781you know, fighting3458.8004 
2627 3458.9635in- in your neighborhood at the parties.3460.5244 
2629 3460.7263It never was. It never was that. It's always was a outsider.3463.2969 
2631 3463.6821Somebody [came, this that and the other, or-]3465.4217 
2632DCB_int_013464.1713[Come in, mm-hm.]3465.4139
2633DCB_se2_ag4_m_013465.8022or this that and the other. It- it even-3467.6117
2635 3467.7126it- it- it wasn't even whereas that3469.0484 
2637 3469.2494you dance with3470.1946 
2639 3470.4975<clears throat>3470.7460 
2641 3471.8332this girl right here,3472.8506 
2643 3473.0758and although you know this- this might mean-3474.8356 
2645 3474.9443this might just3475.7209 
2647 3475.9617/RD-NAME-1/ shorty, this that and the other, this that,3477.4915 
2649 3477.7956it wasn't the point that you danced with that girl.3479.1690 
2651 3480.0310It wasn't the point.3480.6834 
2653 3481.5423Or I bump you. Oh man, what you being funny? I bump you, this that and the other. No, it wasn't like that. Th- this neighborhood, you know what I mean?3486.6756 
2654DCB_int_013486.5959Mm.3487.0717
2655DCB_se2_ag4_m_013487.0142You know what I mean?3487.6433
2656 3487.9461Regardless, we'll behave.3488.8936
2658 3489.3828Well,3489.7401 
2660 3490.2138which we was close, Woodland and /Hartford/ Street was close. We knew each other, this that and the other, but3494.7227 
2662 3495.0178all that was just still in that- that little center.3497.2855 
2664 3497.5806But like I say3498.2380 
2666 3498.4115Barry Farms and-3499.5423 
2668 3500.2956and- and Stanton Road was much different, see? You- you couldn't do that.3503.9456 
2670 3504.1087[You couldn't go.]3504.8387 
2671DCB_int_013504.1941[And they had they own] parties. [You didn't go to] they [stuff, they didn't come to your] stuff.3507.2575
2672DCB_se2_ag4_m_013505.4413[Yeah.]3505.7986
2674 3506.0548[Yeah you didn't go there.]3506.9169 
2676 3507.1964But a- a- as- as it3508.5865 
2677 3509.2078went on, it- it kind of3510.9163
2679 3511.6355panned out a little bit.3512.8237 
2681 3513.6546It kind of panned out because what you did you-3515.5029 
2683 3515.8524you find up- when I- when playing sports, this that and the other, you got to know 'em, people got to know you because you went into this /??/.3521.2264 
2685 3521.8524You can go down there and party with 'em, this that and the other, but it still was that- that chaos whereas that you don't belongs down here.3527.1660 
2686DCB_int_013527.3864Mm.3527.6427
2687DCB_se2_ag4_m_013528.3028You know, this is our turf.3529.3714
2689 3530.3888Well, what give you a right to say this your turf? This ain't your turf. This is- this is- this is United States motherfucker. This- this is- this is- What is this? This Stanton Road, this Stanton Road.3537.8255 
2691 3538.0196Who- who tell you that I can't walk down here?3539.6582 
2693 3541.0147W- where you get that from?3542.0471 
2695 3544.5011You're wrong.3545.1768 
2697 3546.6834Ain't no way this is where we can't be at.3548.4664 
2698DCB_int_013549.0567Right.3549.4450
2699DCB_se2_ag4_m_013551.1768You see what I'm saying?3551.9145
2700DCB_int_013551.8757Mm-hm.3552.1708
2701DCB_se2_ag4_m_013552.6104And- and- and- and-3553.4724
2703 3553.7287I mean it went on- it went on and- but3555.6158 
2705 3556.2526the thing is as- as it progressed it got better. It got better. You can go, this that and the other, but3560.4664 
2707 3562.1206I think as-3563.1379 
2709 3563.8524the way you carry yourself3565.1540 
2711 3565.5112it- it- it get better because the way you carry yourself because you know what you-3568.7030 
2713 3570.7982People3571.5268 
2715 3572.2568have a tendency to grow on theyself to get wiser.3575.2000 
2716DCB_int_013575.6738Mm-hm.3575.9301
2717DCB_se2_ag4_m_013575.9456So as3576.9396
2719 3577.4569things went on, we- we can go there.3579.3751 
2721 3579.6391We can go down Stanton Road, we can go to Barry Farm, this that and the other, because3582.4970 
2723 3582.8697a lot of time, people3583.6122 
2725 3583.7520they-3583.8918 
2727 3584.1558you know, they met you because it- it came back to where we can3587.0603 
2729 3587.5029play ball down there again.3588.9086 
2730DCB_int_013589.1851Mm.3589.4491
2731DCB_se2_ag4_m_013590.2412We can go down there and play ball.3591.4217
2733 3591.6674/Repping/ Woodland, this that- and we go play ball, this that and the other, /respect they got, you know, you wa-/ you wanna lose? This that and the other.3596.2645 
2735 3596.4664It came3597.0256 
2737 3597.6546to be a-3598.0196 
2739 3598.1827a u- a unity thing.3599.5961 
2740DCB_int_013600.0077Mm-hm.3600.3417
2741DCB_se2_ag4_m_013600.2329So it was no thing.3601.1833
2742 3601.6433But you still had knuckleheads3603.4188
2744 3604.3380or people, individuals, don't understand that, hey,3607.0763 
2746 3607.7675hey, they still tryna keep it3609.1265 
2748 3609.8565this way3610.4856 
2750 3611.1457and it- time is changing.3612.3339 
2751DCB_int_013612.7502Mm-hm.3613.2394
2752DCB_se2_ag4_m_013613.3404You still- you always gonna have- you still have that right now today.3615.9419
2753DCB_int_013615.9109Yeah.3616.1672
2754 3616.4390Do you [go back]3616.9748
2755DCB_se2_ag4_m_013616.7108[Yeah.]3616.9593
2756DCB_int_013617.1146to like, the old neighborhood? Do you go into DC a [lot now?]3619.5656
2757DCB_se2_ag4_m_013619.1109[What- what s-] No, what stopped me-3620.7771
2758 3620.9479<clears throat>3621.4372
2760 3622.2448What stopped me from going to DC,3623.7359 
2762 3624.0698it- before my moms passed aways,3625.6821 
2764 3625.9073<clears throat>3626.3655 
2766 3626.7150I just-3627.4605 
2768 3627.7478Now I make good money. I bought my wife a-3629.6259 
2770 3630.4477a brand new Expedition.3631.5046 
2772 3633.2197Tell her, I'm like this. You know, cause I'm like this. I gotta see Mama.3635.7980 
2774 3636.0077No, hey, grandkids is /in here/, we out- we going say hey,3638.7072 
2776 3638.9868I'm off, this that and the other. We going see Mom. We gonna do- find something to do today.3642.1475 
2778 3644.0626Bought my wife a brand new car, and3645.5753 
2780 3645.7090you know what I mean, and3646.4972 
2782 3646.6021brand new truck, Expedition,3647.9534 
2784 3648.1863now I say, let's go and see Mama.3649.4336 
2786 3650.2257We went, stopped and got food, called Mama. Hey, how you doing honey?3653.3631 
2788 3653.5961This that and the other, oh, I'm on my way, this that and the other. Oh /RD-NAME-1/, you know, this that and the other, hey.3657.5692 
2790 3658.0740Alright Mama, I get- I get that. I- I get what what you mean, okay.3660.9785 
2792 3661.5734Alright, /RD-NAME-2/, honey,3662.7624 
2794 3662.9432Mama say get this, this that and the other. Okay, we'll stop and get it.3665.2311 
2796 3665.5418Take the kiddos.3666.1786 
2798 3666.5047So we goes over there and I'm sitting in the house,3668.3888 
2800 3668.7693and I say, well /RD-NAME-2/, I'm'a go out back.3670.3846 
2802 3670.7341Cause I- I don't smoke.3671.6738 
2804 3671.8602I smoke, but I don't smoke in the house.3673.4413 
2806 3673.5578And not only that, I don't smoke around my kids.3675.1983 
2808 3676.8351That said, I'm'a go outside.3677.7980 
2810 3678.8744I didn't go-3679.1851 
2812 3679.4025Got myself uh-3680.3655 
2814 3680.5130grabbed me a beer, went out back,3681.8721 
2816 3682.0974sit down,3682.6642 
2818 3685.3171I don't know what it was, something say turn.3686.7383 
2820 3687.0178And I turned,3687.6158 
2822 3688.0177and I'm like this,3689.0214 
2824 3689.3709along her car somebody look like somebody just went down the side of that motherfucker. I said, hold up.3693.9653 
2826 3694.4545She- I- We didn't have the truck no more than like three days. I'm like this a brand new truck! I'm like Jesus Christ.3700.0977 
2828 3700.7341And I told my- I said, Mama,3702.7299 
2830 3702.9380I love you.3703.5133 
2832 3704.0937I love you more than anything.3705.2275 
2834 3706.0662I said I'll be back to see you.3707.0137 
2836 3707.8369I got in the car and I told /RD-NAME-2/ I say, you not bringing your truck over here, I mean my- my w- w- my wife was hot.3712.0740 
2838 3713.7126First time she ever had a brand [new vehicle, you] know what I mean? She tickled to death, hey uh-3717.5847 
2839DCB_int_013715.1695[New car- Mm.]3715.8918
2840DCB_se2_ag4_m_013717.8954Hey look I- I got nothing.3719.3709
2842 3719.6971And I'm like,3720.3184 
2844 3720.5560I say hey. I tell you what we do.3722.1325 
2846 3722.8780We go see Mama, see that eighty eight?3724.4468 
2848 3725.2622and we got that- that big3726.6911 
2850 3727.1307Eighty eight?3727.5811 
2852 3727.8050We'll drive that over there.3728.8780 
2854 3729.5614And we'll- we'll- went over there on that. But I- After that, when my moms passed away I just say no.3733.6541 
2856 3734.6606Because it's too much right now.3736.5788 
2858 3737.3864And it's still happening. You still looking at the news. And, um, we just heard [some-]3740.5208 
2859DCB_int_013740.1783[Mm.]3740.5829
2860DCB_se2_ag4_m_013740.7460somebody got killed over there the other day, this that and the other.3742.8894
2862 3743.1612I don't know nobody over there no more.3744.6026 
2864 3744.8278I- [I] think it's about one, maybe two families still over there3747.4682 
2865DCB_int_013744.9365[Mm.]3745.1462
2866DCB_se2_ag4_m_013748.1128since I been gone. That been thirty something y-3749.8524
2868 3750.2252Oh [yeah, that's] thirty something years.3751.8296 
2869DCB_int_013750.4504[Yeah.]3751.0608
2870DCB_se2_ag4_m_013752.6140And I- I even- I mean, I refuse to go over there now because it's- it's nobody I know.3757.2860
2871DCB_int_013757.6976Mm-hm.3758.0160
2872DCB_se2_ag4_m_013757.9927But3758.2801
2873 3758.4587over there, it just is worse.3760.2060
2875 3761.0292I'm [talking about] worse worse.3762.4193 
2876DCB_int_013761.1845[Yeah.]3761.6194
2877 3763.9306Yeah it's-3764.4043
2878DCB_se2_ag4_m_013764.5286[An- an- an- an-] anytime- anytime you-3767.4563
2879DCB_int_013764.5286[Turfs are bad now.]3765.6624
2880DCB_se2_ag4_m_013767.8058you3768.0698
2882 3768.2842live here, next person live next door to you,3770.7538 
2884 3771.4217and y'all shooting each other?3772.7108 
2885DCB_int_013773.2001Yeah.3773.5418
2886DCB_se2_ag4_m_013774.0077And y'all fighting?3774.8542
2888 3776.9246Oh no no no no no no. It just worse. I-3779.0214 
2890 3779.2932I refuse.3779.9912 
2892 3780.3914I refuse.3781.0251 
2894 3781.5656I refuse.3782.0238 
2896 3782.1713I might gotta go through there.3783.5071 
2898 3783.9575Hopefully that3784.5167 
2900 3784.6953o-3784.8040 
2902 3785.0758my- one of the jobs ain't over there.3786.8900 
2904 3787.1307But I refuse to.3787.8607 
2905DCB_int_013788.5053[Hm.]3788.8004
2906DCB_se2_ag4_m_013788.5208[It's not-] it's not the same.3789.6469
2907 3790.8506It's- it's not- it's not the same.3792.4814
2909 3792.6803It ain't gonna be the same. And my thing is, I hate to set up and say, and I know people came3796.5730 
2911 3797.1379up the way I came up with poverty,3798.9055 
2913 3799.0274p-3799.1453 
2915 3799.3015uh,3799.5734 
2917 3799.9927babies having babies. They got more kids than anything in the world.3802.6331 
2919 3803.0525But3803.2777 
2921 3806.0160that-3806.3267 
2923 3806.5752that is3807.2430 
2925 3807.9730the problem.3808.6176 
2927 3810.6756If you wanna look at society right now today3813.1188 
2929 3813.4993the problem is3814.2837 
2931 3815.0269babies having babies.3816.1320 
2933 3817.9151I hate to say it.3818.5907 
2934DCB_int_013818.9557Mm.3819.2275
2935DCB_se2_ag4_m_013819.3595You got a- You got a s-3820.1439
2937 3820.5943fourteen year old boy,3821.7048 
2939 3823.3870a thirteen year old,3824.2645 
2941 3824.4198worse thing- you could have a baby.3825.5071 
2942DCB_int_013826.1128Yeah.3826.4701
2943DCB_se2_ag4_m_013826.6642They can't finish school.3827.6582
2944DCB_int_013829.3637They haven't even [learned anything.]3830.6295
2945DCB_se2_ag4_m_013829.8219[And then- and then the]3830.6218
2946 3830.7615parents3831.2974
2948 3831.6051that had them3832.5699 
2950 3832.6797can't be no more than what, two-3834.2718 
2952 3834.6756two,3835.0406 
2954 3835.3637uh,3835.7209 
2956 3836.6295two- three years older than they are,3838.2215 
2958 3838.5938and still babies having babies, but none of 'em got no education.3841.2006 
2960 3841.4103None of 'em ain't got nothing. So3842.9091 
2962 3843.4779when you sit up there and watch your child3845.6039 
2964 3845.8213watch your parents sit up there3847.0220 
2966 3847.3015<inhale>3847.8918 
2968 3849.0877smoking weed,3849.9771 
2970 3850.6059doing dope, this that and the other,3851.9602 
2972 3853.3355they ain't sitting there talking about nothing.3854.7826 
2974 3855.3595They ain't- they ain't sitting there talking about now-3856.6176 
2976 3856.8040hey- they know, uh,3858.0621 
2978 3858.2160Lucinda over there, you know, they- that girl just had /another/ baby, this that and the other- What are you talking about?3862.0507 
2980 3862.7962That ain't- that- that ain't the conversation.3864.5125 
2982 3864.9210That ain't nothing. That gossip.3865.9367 
2984 3866.9091And that's why the kids right now today,3869.3398 
2986 3870.3675nothing here.3871.3037 
2988 3872.4042They don't- they don't3873.1809 
2990 3873.7168push the issue3874.6098 
2992 3874.8894about education.3875.7204 
2993DCB_int_013876.1475Mm-hm.3876.5979
2994DCB_se2_ag4_m_013878.4198They don't say nothing.3879.1731
2996 3879.7713Cause they wake up in the morning, doing the same thing they do each and every day.3882.7299 
2998 3883.1928Drinking,3883.6044 
3000 3883.8452talking about so and so. It's like soap operas. You look at TV, I Love Lucy, this that and the other. That's all you do all day.3888.1397 
3002 3888.4504So what do- what you got to talk about?3889.6277 
3004 3890.6140You ain't got nothing to talk about. You ain't- you ain't- you ain't going to school, you ain't in the working world. You ain't got nothing. So what you gotta talk about? Only thing you wanna do is talk about the neighbor.3897.1750 
3006 3899.6893Hey don't you know John down there selling drugs?3901.4088 
3008 3902.2377Is that really important?3903.3362 
3010 3904.0386How is that gonna make me some money?3905.2882 
3012 3906.1397Talking about John.3906.8231 
3014 3907.1074Talking about him selling drugs.3908.0626 
3015DCB_int_013908.1713Yup.3908.4587
3016DCB_se2_ag4_m_013908.5441John- [/??/]3909.2741
3017DCB_int_013908.8237[How that gonna] do anything for you?3910.2371
3018DCB_se2_ag4_m_013910.3769Yeah, it ain't gonna do nothing for you.3911.6738
3020 3911.8369So the- this- this what the problem is today, right now in the world today.3915.2432 
3021DCB_int_013917.1146Mm.3917.3709
3022DCB_se2_ag4_m_013917.3631It- it's that babies having babies.3919.2698
3023 3920.9868It ain't the point that your baby having babies, the baby- the thing is, you- you don't have no education- [you ain't got nothing up here.]3926.4742
3024DCB_int_013925.4569[Yeah you can't give them] nothing.3926.7538
3025DCB_se2_ag4_m_013926.8780You can't g- you- [you can't give] 'em nothing!3928.8506
3026DCB_int_013927.7711[Yup.]3928.1594
3027 3930.1009Yup.3930.3184
3028DCB_se2_ag4_m_013930.3153So guess what? I'm'a go out there, I'm like this. Now you mad now.3933.5847
3029 3933.7634Your child,3934.5244
3031 3935.1069ev- even you,3936.2096 
3033 3936.4271going out there robbing and stealing just to get a nice pair of pants,3938.9479 
3035 3939.1188clothes, this that and the other, going to the store just stealing,3941.0066 
3037 3941.2311this that and the other, this that and the other.3942.3184 
3039 3942.7998Kids doing the same thing.3943.8141 
3040DCB_int_013944.1325Mm-hm, cause that's the [example they see.]3945.9808
3041DCB_se2_ag4_m_013945.1654[That- that- that's- that's how I'm'a make it.3946.7962
3042DCB_int_013946.9050[Yup.]3947.1535
3043DCB_se2_ag4_m_013947.0292[That's] how I'm'a make it.3947.7204
3044DCB_int_013950.0859Yeah.3950.4198
3045DCB_se2_ag4_m_013950.8314It's not jealousy.3951.8022
3047 3952.0274It's- it's just what they had to do cause they had to make it.3953.9378 
3048DCB_int_013954.4038Mm-hm.3954.8542
3050 3956.1247[/I'm sure./]3956.7615 
3051DCB_se2_ag4_m_013956.1325[And- and- and don't] nobody see it.3957.5304
3052 3957.8332And- and that's the- that's our- that's our biggest problem.3959.8912
3054 3961.4802Go- go to the pros and see. Go- go- go to the hospital and ask 'em how- how many- how many kids3965.9689 
3056 3967.4109right now from3968.4820 
3058 3968.6917fifteen to twenty,3969.7168 
3060 3970.7108how many babies in the-3971.5728 
3062 3971.9842that these kids done have?3973.3741 
3064 3973.9887From that age.3974.7150 
3066 3974.8936And they'll tell you.3975.5537 
3068 3976.4002And you wanna look at at that- look at that- look at the-3978.1630 
3070 3978.3547the- the education rap sheet.3979.8685 
3072 3980.1325It's not-3980.6295 
3073DCB_int_013982.7652Yeah.3982.9981
3074DCB_se2_ag4_m_013986.4897And- and that's the same reason why3988.5555
3076 3988.7263that lady and that man get on the TV3991.2472 
3078 3991.5778/Now/ on TV talking about, it wasn't my son.3993.3362 
3080 3994.1517You know it was your daggone son.3995.4408 
3082 3997.8063You knew it was your son because of the way you was raised.3999.8721 
3084 4000.9282The way you raised him.4001.8602 
3085DCB_int_014002.5948Mm.4002.9055
3086DCB_se2_ag4_m_014002.9987Because even still, if- if your kid come to ask you well why- why- why is there4007.1535
3088 4007.3476four plus four4008.3882 
3090 4009.7054equal eight?4010.2801 
3092 4011.6857You can't tell 'em. Four plus four equals six.4013.6738 
3094 4014.6803But you ain't got no education.4015.6433 
3096 4016.9557You didn't- you didn't give 'em nothing.4018.2914 
3098 4018.4856You didn't give 'em nothing to go on.4019.8136 
3099DCB_int_014021.2394Yeah.4021.5035
3100DCB_se2_ag4_m_014022.8159Even [when you caught] them. Even when the police brought the kid-4025.2078
3101DCB_int_014023.1188[Sure.]4023.4993
3102DCB_se2_ag4_m_014025.4330brought the kid back, and sit up and say, yeah, I caught your son there stealing. They give him a break.4028.8237
3104 4029.1887Sit up and say hey,4029.9420 
3106 4030.2060he ain't got4030.6176 
3108 4031.6039he went and stole, this that and the other.4032.7843 
3110 4033.6044Give him a break, bring the kid back,4034.7615 
3112 4035.1887oh son, you know, this that and the other. Oh, this that and the other, /ch- that- that-/ fake out.4039.4646 
3114 4039.7941You just whoop your mother and son, this that and the other, in front of the mans just sitting there talking about /hollering at 'em/ this that and the other.4043.7592 
3116 4044.7424I don't even know what your son gonna do cause you doing the same thing.4047.0411 
3117DCB_int_014048.9438Mm.4049.2078
3118DCB_se2_ag4_m_014050.9288It's nothing.4051.4646
3120 4051.6588We- we set up there and hurt ourselves.4053.3285 
3121DCB_int_014053.9730Yeah.4054.2293
3122DCB_se2_ag4_m_014055.3147It's a lot done changed. It- it- it's a lot.4057.2783
3124 4057.4180Things are much better but we the ones have to make it better.4059.8721 
3125DCB_int_014060.4701[That's true.]4060.9577
3126DCB_se2_ag4_m_014060.4856[It's not worrying] about the government.4061.8136
3127 4061.9813It's not worrying about the system, how it is. I don't care who the president is. W- what- what difference who the president is?4067.1379
3129 4068.9812That's not you.4069.6821 
3131 4070.6373It's for us.4071.3906 
3133 4074.0310If I'm making ten dollars right now today, I wanna- I wanna- that ma- that manager making fifteen,4078.6797 
3135 4078.8894I wanna find out how that manager making fifteen.4080.6212 
3136DCB_int_014081.0453[Mm-hm.]4081.5268
3137DCB_se2_ag4_m_014081.3248[I'm'a] talk to him.4082.1403
3138 4083.0722I'm'a bust my butt. I'm like this, hey dog, how you g-4085.6971
3140 4085.8524where you get where you at, you know what I mean? Man I'm talking about,4087.9799 
3142 4088.3189/unintelligible/ yeah dog, [you know], th-4090.2293 
3143DCB_int_014089.4931[<laugh>]4090.0038
3144DCB_se2_ag4_m_014090.7186I'm'a do it- I'm'a do it a little better than you cause I wanna know how to get there.4094.1092
3145DCB_int_014094.2645That's right.4094.7848
3146DCB_se2_ag4_m_014095.2120You see what I'm saying? So I can live comfortable.4096.9963
3147DCB_int_014097.2311And that's [the lesson that] we need to4098.6492
3148DCB_se2_ag4_m_014097.5651[Because-]4098.1087
3149DCB_int_014098.7843[instill. /Uh-huh./]4099.9073
3150DCB_se2_ag4_m_014099.0297[Cause- cause each] and every day4100.7460
3151 4100.8703I walk there and I tell myself, and I gotta tell my kids, p- the police can't touch me with a ten foot pole.4105.4569
3153 4107.4838Can't touch me4108.2992 
3155 4108.5722Only thing he aks me for is my ID. If I'm driving my car, the only thing he aks for is my ID.4112.4587 
3157 4113.5459Maybe my brake light out, this that and the other. That's the only reason why.4116.0862 
3159 4117.7054That's the only thing the police can say to me.4119.3362 
3161 4119.6469Police can't touch me.4120.7030 
3163 4121.6277It's not because it's Virginia. I know it's a commonwealth, they- they- they nasty police th- but you can't touch me.4126.5400 
3165 4127.9378The only thing you gonna do to me4129.1462 
3167 4129.3171is set up there and try to p-4130.5130 
3169 4131.1809/party/ if ain't nobody around, you gonna put me in a car4133.3864 
3171 4134.0823cause then like, you want your way, and I don't bow down to you, you probably take me over there and kill me, this that and the other.4138.2060 
3173 4138.5865Cause it's a commonwealth state.4139.6117 
3175 4141.1964This is Virginia.4141.8529 
3177 4142.6761Y'all made y'all own rules.4143.6935 
3179 4144.6331I already know what the system is here.4146.2640 
3181 4146.5628But I'm like this, outside that, you can't touch me. I can go to DC, this that and the other, you can't touch me. I-4149.9420 
3183 4150.0895I haven't did anything wrong.4151.2234 
3184DCB_int_014151.4719Right.4151.7592
3185DCB_se2_ag4_m_014151.9901Look at my record.4152.7532
3187 4153.2627You want- you- what you wanna talk about what- what I did-4155.3518 
3189 4155.5304uh, twenty, thirty years ago? That was then.4157.7670 
3191 4158.3572It's not now.4158.8775 
3192DCB_int_014159.3481Right.4159.5889
3193DCB_se2_ag4_m_014159.5734And that's why I tell my kids,4160.6684
3194 4161.0178if you do the right things, you ain't got no reason to be shaking your leg, this that and the other, scared, this that-4165.7597
3196 4165.9617if you ain't do nothing wrong, what you- what you got to hide?4168.0405 
3198 4170.3728You ain't got none of that- Boy you better walk this-4172.2179 
3200 4172.4276you better sleep good,4173.7168 
3202 4173.9730feel good, eat good, this [that and the other- And hey.]4176.5456 
3203DCB_int_014175.4796[<laugh>]4178.5363
3204DCB_se2_ag4_m_014176.8744[Hey and- and- and grow to get old.]4178.5829
3205DCB_int_014179.0800That's right. And that's what you doing.4180.3303
3206DCB_se2_ag4_m_014180.4623That- that what you do.4181.2078
3208 4181.6117/That what you/ doing. I'm- I'm- I'm f- fifty nine now.4183.9412 
3210 4184.4043And I tell my kids, man,4185.5770 
3212 4185.7168think I ain't tryna live to see another fifty nine?4187.3864 
3214 4187.7980Life is beautiful.4188.5716 
3216 4189.8452I mean you hate to hear what you hear. You hate to hear about the killings. You hate to hear about, hey,4194.0698 
3218 4194.3882somebody got ran over.4195.4491 
3220 4195.6821You hate- you hate it,4196.5829 
3222 4196.9712but4197.2042 
3224 4197.4527that is n- that is not4198.6098 
3226 4199.7281us4200.1164 
3228 4200.3153to be worried about.4201.1462 
3230 4201.5578You got m- other things.4202.5208 
3232 4203.0877[And that's-]4203.4915 
3233DCB_int_014203.1887[Mm.]4203.4527
3234DCB_se2_ag4_m_014203.9031wake up in the morning,4204.7108
3236 4204.8584ask the man for your blessing.4205.9844 
3238 4206.3649and you living good, eating good.4207.3870 
3240 4208.1403Going- go to the movies, go enjoy ourself,4211.0214 
3242 4211.3010take the families on trips, this that-4212.8278 
3244 4213.3171that- that what you living for now.4214.6140 
3246 4215.6805Everything else is in the past.4216.9593