Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DCB_int_01	0.5310	And can you give me your birthday?	2.1924
2	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2.6397	Seven two zero seven eight.	4.0319
3	DCB_int_01	8.3695	Oh.	9.0568
5		9.8843	Your birthday's the twentieth, mine's the twenty-seventh.	11.8963
6	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	12.0305	<ts>	12.1373
8		12.4910	Twenty-second?	13.0883
9	DCB_int_01	13.2150	Twenty-seventh.	13.8523
11		14.0825	So we're a week [apart.]	15.1803
12	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	14.5663	[You's almost-]	15.4372
13		15.7742	<ts>	15.8743
15		16.2613	almost a Cancer.	17.2720
16	DCB_int_01	17.5701	Uh, no, a Leo, Leo's are best, Leo's are best.	19.9391
17	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	19.9591	See, I was gonna say we was still good because you was in July at least.	22.7251
18	DCB_int_01	22.9128	I was gonna give you [July] but you went with the Cancer [thing.]	25.3574
19	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	23.5300	[But-]	23.8237
21		25.0816	[I was like], almost a Cancer. I ain't say nothing bad though.	27.4605
22		28.6091	[See.]	29.0863
23	DCB_int_01	28.8494	[I-] I was trying to go with the- [You know what, we gonna] move on.	30.8294
24	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	29.8537	[See.]	30.3870
25		30.9881	[<laugh>]	32.5964
26	DCB_int_01	31.4653	[Um, where were you born?]	32.8452
27	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	33.2570	Um, Washington, DC.	34.5124
28	DCB_int_01	35.3198	What neighborhood do you claim?	36.5544
29	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	37.2317	Wow, there's so many. So,	38.8533
31		39.6274	I grew up in Capers, right off of Seventh Street.	41.6802
33		42.4142	But then we also lived	43.6187
35		43.8957	in Parkside, which is like Mayfair, Paradise,	46.7785
37		47.2998	Kenilworth	47.9605
39		48.1139	Avenue area.	49.0393
41		49.6254	And we lived over here, on Fifty-Sixth and Clay	51.8142
43		52.0645	as well.	52.6150
45		52.9762	But pretty much	53.7836
47		54.0572	every Northeast and Southeast	56.4195
49		56.8399	minus Southwest, Northwest.	58.3881
50	DCB_int_01	59.0696	Mkay.	59.4789
52		60.0772	How many years have you lived in the District, just total?	63.0001
53	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	63.4814	Oh god. <sigh> Let me see, I'm twenty-five, no.	66.7279
55		67.1249	Um, <laugh>	67.8556
57		68.2393	I would probably say about, fifteen	70.9028
58	DCB_int_01	71.3365	Fifteen?	71.8003
59	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	71.7970	total.	72.4103
60		72.9481	Yeah.	73.4986
62		74.0625	It's so hard to distinguish cause when we crossed the line into PG it was like we were still in DC.	77.7035
64		78.7913	It [literally was] across the light.	79.8023
65	DCB_int_01	78.8847	[Mm.]	79.2350
66	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	80.3828	[<laugh>]	81.3371
67	DCB_int_01	80.5496	[We'll talk about that in a] minute.	81.7870
68	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	81.9777	<laugh>	82.1644
69	DCB_int_01	82.1721	Where have- other places you lived?	83.7035
70	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	83.9404	In the world?	84.6778
71	DCB_int_01	85.0015	Mm, just-	85.5520
73		85.7589	yeah.	85.9657
74	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	85.9591	<ts>	86.0325
75		86.5897	Dover, Delaware,	87.9944
77		88.7393	I lived in Texas,	90.2207
79		91.0215	Spain,	92.1893
81		93.5439	um, California,	95.2133
83		96.9681	South Carolina,	98.2748
85		100.0511	mm,	100.4857
87		100.8794	I- I'm thinking that's it.	102.0405
88	DCB_int_01	103.5287	And where'd you go to school?	105.0068
89	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	105.7141	<ts>	105.7875
91		105.9543	Elementary I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ that was right there in	108.4643
93		108.6878	Parkside, Northeast.	109.6755
95		110.2527	And then, um, junior high, in- in, uh, high school I was in Maryland,	114.2040
97		114.4710	PG.	114.8790
98	DCB_int_01	115.5520	Where?	115.8267
99	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	116.1025	<ts>	116.1826
101		116.3127	Um, well, I went to three different high schools.	118.1379
103		118.5825	I went to,	119.3399
105		119.6735	uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	120.5811
107		121.7022	then I went to	122.8066
109		123.8376	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ and /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	125.1797
110	DCB_int_01	126.4209	Mm.	126.8947
112		132.1607	What do you do now?	132.9247
113	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	133.9758	I work with the /RD-WORK-4/ as their VP of Human Resources.	137.5701
114	DCB_int_01	137.7803	What did you right before you came here?	139.3856
115	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	139.9758	Um, worked with /RD-WORK-4/	142.3022
117		142.7226	as their chief HR,	143.8270
119		144.2908	and, um, /RD-WORK-3/ as their VP	146.4863
121		146.8266	of HR.	147.4639
123		148.0886	Um, a few other, uh, civilian places. /Always/ HR capacity, and prior to that, in the military for ten years, in HR capacity.	155.0562
124	DCB_int_01	155.6735	Hm.	155.9949
126		156.4977	Where were your parents born?	157.6603
127	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	157.7889	<ts>	157.8757
129		158.3595	Uh, my mother was born	160.1687
131		160.5524	in South Carolina, raised in DC.	162.3775
133		163.5920	My father was born and raised in DC.	165.1269
134	DCB_int_01	167.1363	And what did your parents do?	168.6333
135	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	168.9514	<ts>	169.0448
137		169.5887	My father, um, he was-	171.4572
139		171.7375	he was a police officer for a short time,	173.2264
141		174.1573	and then he was in the military reserves	176.7693
143		177.0668	for a short time.	177.8188
145		178.5257	Um, and then I'm not sure if you heard of /RD-WORK-8/ but he's owner	181.9591
147		182.2193	of- part owner of /RD-WORK-8/.	184.0244
149		184.4757	Have all the contracts /?/ DC, Maryland, Virginia and one of the oldest ones around.	187.3752
150	DCB_int_01	188.6030	I do [know them.]	189.3830
151	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	188.9734	[My m-]	189.2270
152		189.5573	yup, my mom,	190.5057
154		190.8294	um,	191.4400
156		192.1640	worked for the Coast Guard	193.1283
158		193.2784	as civilian and military,	194.7198
160		195.0401	pretty much since she was fourteen.	196.2179
161	DCB_int_01	196.6992	[Wow. (whispered)]	197.1163
162	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	196.8961	[Um], retired Coast Guard,	198.4775
163		198.9014	and, um, retired Coast Guard civilian as well.	200.8766
164	DCB_int_01	202.8794	Hm.	203.1541
166		204.0372	And	204.9314
168		205.5287	so, let me ask you this.	207.3740
169	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	207.4105	Mm-hm.	207.7408
170	DCB_int_01	208.1420	Thinking about-	209.2031
172		211.5987	Well, let me start-	212.1759
174		212.3027	let me go back.	212.9967
176		213.2570	So tell me a little bit about your neighborhood, what-	215.1330
178		215.3232	the neighborhood that you most connect with when you were little, and it may be two or three different ones. [So tell] me kind of about growing up, maybe your house, kind of the street you lived on.	223.0615
179	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	218.9270	[Mm-hm.]	219.2670
180		224.1025	Wasn't a house.	224.6397
182		224.9133	Um, <laugh> it was definitely apartment.	226.6183
184		227.1463	Um, <ts> we had row house at one point on Eighteenth Place when we was in Southeast.	230.7637
186		231.1369	Um, but they were always apartment buildings, always-	233.4900
188		233.7469	always the PJs, the projects.	235.3318
190		235.8690	Um, but I had fun.	236.9801
192		237.3271	Um,	237.8276
194		238.3214	growing up,	238.8594
196		238.9828	it's- it's weird knowing that you survived that,	241.0549
198		241.4819	because being a child,	242.5029
200		242.9967	you don't really notice.	243.9810
201	DCB_int_01	244.3776	[Mm-hm.]	244.7491
202	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	244.6025	[It's-] it's normal,	245.6935
203		246.2307	it seems normal. You don't really	247.7689
205		247.9858	realize the conditions you're in	249.7074
207		250.2221	because you're just so happy.	251.5128
209		251.8704	Because my parents did a really good job, they- first of all it was very rare,	254.3061
211		254.6931	my parents were together	255.6941
213		256.1412	married, the entire time til my father passed away,	258.4009
215		258.8313	which was twenty something years into their marriage.	261.3380
217		261.6607	So,	262.0911
219		262.7593	that was very rare, to see like,	264.2708
221		264.5682	/actually/ my dad's, uh, black and Dominican and Italian, my mom's,	268.2146
223		268.3422	um, <ts>	268.9628
225		269.3999	uh,	269.8537
227		270.0005	Jewish and	270.6144
229		270.8280	African American.	271.4840
231		272.4062	You don't s-	272.9100
233		273.1669	but from face value they just look African American. You don't see that	276.5453
235		276.7712	a lot	277.1273
237		277.8223	in this community, so.	279.1335
239		279.6374	That was a rare part. So I had that,	280.9161
241		281.4733	and then just a happy childhood, so if there was any struggles,	283.9090
243		284.4262	we never knew.	285.0689
245		285.7074	I'm the youngest of four.	286.8052
247		287.5534	So we never knew.	288.2374
249		288.9481	Um,	289.5520
251		290.4095	so I had a lot of fun. I didn't realize I'm in the ghetto, I'm in the hood, I'm in the projects.	293.9471
253		294.4943	People getting shot over there, crackhead over there. Cause the crackheads was funny, and they was nice, and we ain't know they was on crack.	298.6325
255		299.0396	So,	299.4333
257		299.9471	um, and that's how it should be	301.4352
259		301.8590	when you grow up. So that's what I remember the most.	303.4305
261		303.8918	It's not more so my neighborhood, it's the-	305.8137
263		306.2174	it's the reality that my parents chose to give us of our	309.6073
265		309.8384	environment,	310.3789
267		310.8727	which was	311.4133
269		311.6034	a good one.	311.9794
271		312.4309	So,	312.8280
273		313.0515	being	313.4986
275		314.1559	an adult today,	315.1736
277		315.5072	when I ride in that neighborhood and I know I'm like,	317.0596
279		317.8036	that's where I was? (laughing)	318.8480
280	DCB_int_01	319.0382	Mm.	319.3718
281	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	319.3251	Cause I know	320.1392
282		320.4662	today,	321.0956
284		321.6507	what that was. And, um, so they taught me	324.3542
286		324.5510	how to be with my kids, if ever.	326.0358
288		326.4996	Luckily they taught me enough to be like, you need to get a education so you never have to	330.2975
290		331.0816	create	331.4695
292		331.9324	those types of realities for your kids.	333.4238
293	DCB_int_01	334.3748	So,	335.1497
295		336.4710	were you- okay, so you were the youngest of four. How- [tell me about] your siblings.	339.5673
296	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	338.6097	[Mm.]	338.8466
298		339.5573	<ts>	339.6340
299		339.9377	I have two brothers and a sister. They're all	341.9805
301		342.4042	eight, nine, and ten years apart from me.	343.7222
303		344.2560	But they're all back to back.	345.0268
305		345.6883	So I'm the baby.	346.4014
307		347.2197	And, um,	347.8403
309		348.5644	they- It's weird cause	349.7222
311		349.8123	with being like now	351.3763
313		351.7575	people can't even tell that we're-	352.9862
315		353.5567	they never could really tell other than when I'm a baby, but	355.9724
317		356.4362	they could not tell that we were so far apart.	358.1412
319		358.5090	Cause I grew up really fast being with them.	360.2507
320	DCB_int_01	360.6445	Right.	360.9845
321	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	361.0715	You know, always such a older	362.4462
323		362.7365	mentality.	363.3472
325		363.9844	<ts> Um,	364.5424
327		365.2097	it was good	365.9304
329		366.3442	growing up with my siblings. I never felt like I was the (laughing) youngest, I felt like	369.2103
331		369.7508	I was just one of them.	370.5549
332	DCB_int_01	371.6435	Do you think-	372.6111
334		372.9514	Okay so when you talk about growing up really fast, what do you think	375.1602
336		375.3671	that-	375.6841
338		376.1212	what do you- what do you mean by that? Like what-	377.6492
340		377.8537	how did that cause you to be different	379.2310
341	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	379.5053	[Mm-hm.]	379.8757
342	DCB_int_01	379.7288	[from] like someone who's like- So when you were [six,]	381.9057
343	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	381.4906	[<clears throat>]	382.3881
344	DCB_int_01	382.2321	[versus] when your friends were six.	384.2207
345	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	384.3809	The mentality, the conversations that I could have I couldn't have with my peer group cause they didn't understand those conversations.	389.3532
347		389.8303	So my peer groups tend to be older because I can	392.5430
349		392.9934	communicate	393.5273
351		393.9677	with them	394.4356
353		394.9094	whereas like, my six year old friends at that time,	397.6087
355		397.9557	they had no idea.	398.7765
357		399.2036	We're talking about earmarks and budgets cause that's what I sat and listened to my mom talk about cause she did budget analyst for (laughing)	404.0625
359		404.5730	the [Coast Guard] and- and all the way through with the DOD for the President, so.	407.5367
360	DCB_int_01	404.6664	[<laugh>]	405.1317
361	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	407.9638	We talking about earmarks,	408.8980
363		409.1816	and budgets, and we're talking about	410.5763
365		410.8499	deficits and stuff, and they're like, what is	412.3681
367		412.7927	a defic- I'm like, you don't know what a deficit is? (laughing) You know,	414.7579
369		415.2250	so those were my conversations at six years old.	417.3838
370	DCB_int_01	418.9461	Wow. (whispered)	419.3565
372		420.0405	And your	420.4209
374		420.5911	brothers and sisters talk this way too?	421.9157
375	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	421.9824	They talk that way too.	422.7365
377		422.9100	That's- these are the things- cause this is what we're-	424.6225
379		425.7569	Outside is outside, but in the house,	427.3718
381		427.9824	this is what we're hearing. We're hearing my mother, my dad was a entrepreneur.	430.6317
383		431.1497	We're hearing things about that, so	432.3041
385		432.6678	in my mind,	433.3885
387		434.0925	I'm supposed to be entrepreneur.	434.9334
389		435.1903	That's what they did, I have my own business as well.	436.4849
391		436.7092	So in my mind,	437.5701
393		438.4910	I'm supposed to have	439.7656
395		440.0692	all these pieces of papers and accolades. And	441.7909
397		442.1979	growing up it was a normal thing. Like, oh we're supposed to go to school and	444.9014
399		445.2951	get this and	445.9884
401		446.7298	it was just a normal	447.8525
403		448.0853	thing.	448.4924
405		448.7226	And I liked the fact that	449.8904
407		450.3942	it was more of a mindset versus a	452.3261
409		452.6197	chore or struggle.	453.6304
411		454.5416	Yeah.	454.8327
412	DCB_int_01	455.1163	Tell me about school then.	456.2241
413	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	456.5110	What about it?	457.0382
414	DCB_int_01	457.5387	When you were in elementary school, did you- did you do well? Did you like school? Was it too [easy for] you?	463.1016
415	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	462.1974	[Mm-hm.	462.5510
416		463.7155	Um, I absolutely hated elementary school, but I did very well, but I was very bored.	467.7069
418		468.1240	Because,	468.6011
420		469.4953	I went to school and I was not interested in	472.4148
422		472.8227	any of that stuff.	473.8103
424		474.4509	I wanted to talk about financials <laugh> and I wanted to talk about	478.0344
426		478.3722	how to write a check.	479.2097
428		479.6902	And I wanted to talk about things- I wanted to talk about	482.1793
430		482.4362	technology and stuff like that.	483.9402
432		484.9461	And the-	485.5134
434		486.2341	the teachers weren't even talking about that.	487.7322
436		488.3094	I didn't care about	489.4294
438		489.9585	elementary math, I didn't care about	491.8871
440		492.4609	that history, I didn't care.	493.7522
442		494.0725	I just did it because I knew that's what I needed to do to get my piece of paper.	497.1430
444		497.5434	And I wanted my piece of paper. That's part of my plan, so.	500.0625
446		500.6097	That was my	501.1769
448		501.5039	like, juvenile	502.6425
450		503.2898	mentality.	504.0472
452		504.4643	At the same time, a mature mentality.	506.0470
453	DCB_int_01	508.9161	So- okay, so this is- so you're growing up in the eighties, right? So technology is not-	512.8800
455		513.0034	when you talk about technology,	514.1679
457		514.4090	what was your reality of technology when you were young?	516.5944
458	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	516.5944	Well, Microsoft was coming out, you know, the t- the- the big square TV looking computers, that was the thing.	521.8704
459		522.4643	Um,	522.8780
461		523.2017	you had cell phones that were coming out, they look like	525.5973
463		525.8442	TVs on your hip, and pagers and stuff like that. So,	528.5010
465		529.3184	that was technology to me, I wanted to know how is it that these beepers connect, and what are the frequencies and wavelengths in the	535.2017
467		535.6788	air that's making that happen and stuff like that.	538.0511
469		538.3055	So that was	538.8327
471		539.2965	technology that kids my age weren't	541.1516
473		541.9057	really paying attention to. You know, I was learning to type	543.8184
475		544.2388	at eight years old.	545.0229
477		545.3365	They weren't paying attention to that, and to me that was a /?/.	547.5987
478	DCB_int_01	549.1002	So were your friends- Okay thinking about your like-	551.3999
480		551.9171	Did you have a lot of kids in your neighborhood?	553.1049
481	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	553.1550	Mm-hm.	553.4319
482	DCB_int_01	554.0358	Did y'all play together?	554.8299
483	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	555.2770	We did whenever, um, I was done	557.5768
485		557.9771	playing with the friends I chose to be with.	559.4886
487		559.7789	I'd be like, well, I ain't got nobody else /play/ play with y'all.	561.2070
489		561.7683	Um, so.	562.4557
490	DCB_int_01	562.6392	<laugh>	562.7927
492		563.2665	Uh,	563.5234
494		563.9738	[/yeah/]	564.1506
495	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	563.9805	[So] yeah it was [like that.]	564.9911
496	DCB_int_01	564.5677	[/this/ ain't] nobody [else.]	565.6298
497	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	565.5020	[I mean], I was really grateful to have	567.3438
498		567.8484	parents that really nurtured	569.1830
500		569.5667	what I wanted to do. Because	570.7412
502		571.2918	they had to sacrifice, they had to like, drive far to take me to be around the type of kids that	575.6502
504		576.2374	could	576.5010
506		576.8680	keep my interest.	577.6855
508		578.0291	Because, see,	578.6831
510		579.4981	<ts> kids in more affluent	580.6834
512		580.9528	neighborhoods,	581.5801
514		582.1206	that was a normal thing,	583.3140
516		583.7222	a normal conversation, so	585.0034
518		585.6307	I- they would take me to go	587.0462
520		587.4233	play with those kids while they do tea time with their moms and	589.9949
522		590.4963	whatever.	590.9300
524		591.5173	I'm playing with these kids who	593.0629
526		593.4767	aren't. No,	594.1440
528		594.7245	I would say there's pros and cons to it. Some would say,	596.6998
530		597.1969	oh, did you miss your childhood? I feel like I really s- I really did have	600.0305
532		600.3175	a childhood. I didn't have to worry about	602.2093
534		602.6965	bills and where we gonna get food, that wasn't my issue.	605.4133
536		605.9137	I chose to make my childhood	608.0058
538		608.7966	more intellectual.	609.8643
540		610.4128	Versus playing	611.2002
542		611.6540	hide and seek unless we was gonna be seeking,	613.6969
544		614.2031	I don't know, the stock market or something.	615.2708
546		615.7012	Like I (laughing) wasn't really	616.8386
548		617.1401	interested in that.	617.7207
549	DCB_int_01	619.4490	So- okay, so you were in this area, you were in Northeast. So your [parents-] so did you drive to like, Northwest or did you drive [to like], Potomac?	626.0477
550	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	622.3827	[Mm-hm.]	622.7464
552		625.3489	[Mm,]	625.6259
553	DCB_int_01	626.2732	Like where'd your [parents] take you to go play with your friends?	628.6989
554	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	626.6969	[yeah.]	626.9823
555		628.7264	At that time it wasn't really Northwest. Northwest wasn't really that affluent	631.2555
557		631.6993	back then. Northwest just started becoming affluent in I would say the past fifteen years or so.	635.8008
559		636.3480	Um,	636.8318
561		637.0954	it was more like, Potomac,	638.6502
562	DCB_int_01	638.7470	[Mm-hm.]	639.1807
563	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	639.0206	[Cheverly], which over that [Northwest] line.	640.5487
564	DCB_int_01	639.9823	[Mm-hm.]	640.3183
565	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	641.0300	Georgetown, parts of Georgetown.	642.3146
567		642.5915	Anything close to the hill,	643.5491
569		643.8494	cause she worked in a lot of /??/ politician, political stuff, so,	646.5454
571		647.2035	stuff like that. Um,	648.5189
573		648.8718	<ts>	648.9452
575		649.1688	they would take me to those things, or,	650.7236
577		651.2074	um, to some of those	652.4686
579		652.6296	types of exhibits	653.6406
581		653.9976	or whatever.	654.5550
583		655.1254	Um, I liked to dream big	656.5835
585		656.7203	growing up. So they would take me places that I could just sit	659.0267
587		659.2803	and they would let me like,	659.9943
589		660.6983	that's gonna be my house,	661.6726
591		662.0663	that's gonna be my whatever (laughing).	663.1240
593		663.6612	I always liked to just	664.7656
595		665.0334	dream big. And they- they nurtured that	666.4848
597		666.8351	growing up, so.	667.5558
599		667.8861	<ts>	667.9462
601		668.4033	I have no complaints at all. And so I think it made it easier	671.4738
603		671.8809	for me when I- when I grew up	673.1955
605		673.7360	and I wanted to get out and do things cause I knew	675.8147
607		676.2666	there was a whole nother world.	677.3136
609		677.7340	And but now I actually wanted to see it.	679.0887
610	DCB_int_01	681.7713	Okay so at- did you ever like school then?	684.2412
612		684.4748	Did you ever	684.9986
613	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	685.0320	I [didn't start] liking school til high school.	686.2440
614	DCB_int_01	685.1988	[en-]	685.3723
615		686.5868	So tell me about high [school.]	687.5801
616	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	687.2775	[Yeah.]	687.5144
617		688.1083	Oh high school was very fun. I was pretty much in everything, I was on-	691.1254
619		691.4924	well, I started debate team in eighth grade.	692.7770
621		693.3509	I was on debate team,	694.3385
623		694.6196	<ts>	694.6897
625		694.8999	I was in ROTC	695.9042
627		696.0844	the whole time.	696.7297
629		697.3890	Um, drama	698.6335
631		699.0206	club	699.4926
632	DCB_int_01	699.6479	I can [see that.]	700.3218
633	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	699.9815	[as well.]	700.5120
634		701.2069	I know. No. [<laugh>]	702.7384
635	DCB_int_01	702.5548	[<laugh>]	703.5124
636	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	703.4958	Drama club, um,	705.1507
637		705.3809	media team,	706.3285
639		706.9199	<ts>	707.0033
641		707.1835	and, um,	708.3580
643		709.1454	just regular classes.	710.2498
645		710.5167	I didn't do any AP classes and people were so shocked.	713.2035
647		713.6339	And I felt like,	714.4281
649		715.0286	<ts> I don't wanna do AP because,	716.7803
651		717.6045	you know, you go through the whole class and you can make straight A's, but that one test you take at the end of the year,	722.1531
653		722.5902	if you don't pass it, you fail the class.	723.7675
655		724.1692	And	724.4928
657		724.9066	I didn't really think, oh I won't pass it, but I'm like, <ts>	726.8184
659		727.1955	what if I get sick,	728.0963
661		728.4133	or I don't do- I was- I always had these what ifs. /I said no,/	730.6883
663		731.1234	I can- I can do these so called regular classes	734.3057
665		734.5806	and I can do additional stuff on my own, I don't need the grade for that.	737.0113
667		738.1040	Yeah.	738.4377
668	DCB_int_01	738.9323	So what- okay, so you started at /RD-SCHOOL-3/. So how'd [you get- Okay], from /RD-SCHOOL-3/-	742.2823
669	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	741.0844	[Mm-hm.]	741.5071
670	DCB_int_01	742.7327	Was /RD-SCHOOL-3/ because your parents wanted you to be exposed, or did y'all move over to that area? Why'd you start there and then end up /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	748.5225
671	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	747.2546	<ts>	747.3046
672		748.5292	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ high school in [PG County?]	750.1307
673	DCB_int_01	749.5602	[Mm-hm.]	749.8705
674		751.3928	<ts>	751.4729
676		751.7298	Oh, p- ah, I was [thinking-]	753.6149
677	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	753.5048	[Yeah] [no.]	754.0216
678	DCB_int_01	753.8452	[Mm.]	754.3105
679	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	754.1930	[There's] no [exposure there.]	755.0418
680	DCB_int_01	754.8361	[Mm.]	755.1264
681	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	755.4167	Um,	755.7604
682	DCB_int_01	755.7549	<ts>	755.8050
683		755.8951	[I was wrong.]	756.4815
684	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	755.9009	[Right over the Southeast line.]	757.1455
685	DCB_int_01	756.8185	[Mm.] Mm-hm.]	757.4825
686	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	757.6860	Wheeler Road.	758.0953
688		758.5535	Yeah, so. [<laugh>]	759.6512
689	DCB_int_01	759.4852	[Wrong-]	759.8000
690		759.9690	Wrong /RD-SCHOOL-3/, wrong [/RD-SCHOOL-3/.]	761.4605
691	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	761.0167	[Right, yeah no.]	761.7901
692	DCB_int_01	761.5739	[My] bad.	762.1619
693	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	762.2179	Prince George's [County's.]	763.3423
694	DCB_int_01	763.0721	[Mm-hm.]	763.5425
695	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	763.9763	Mm-hm. <laugh>	765.1140
697		765.5111	[Uh, no we-] we just happened to move over the line,	768.2813
698	DCB_int_01	765.7789	[Wrong county.]	766.4881
699	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	768.4414	Um, right off of-	769.5392
701		769.9095	in Oxon Hill, right off of Wheeler Road, so	771.7949
703		772.4028	right there in p- the school	773.9910
705		774.3981	was right there.	775.1354
707		775.6326	And then we moved again. That was a house	777.5219
709		777.8856	that we- we was renting.	778.9233
711		779.4238	Um, then we moved again	780.9786
713		781.2322	<ts>	781.2989
715		781.4658	to, um, Suitland.	782.9172
716	DCB_int_01	783.3918	[Mm-hm.]	783.7021
717	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	783.5219	[Off] of, um,	784.7873
718		785.7941	Silver Hill R- yeah, Silver Hill Road.	787.5859
720		788.0130	Cause that's Suitland that way. So Silver Hill Road	789.6913
722		789.9924	and so- so /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was the school for that.	792.1245
724		792.5916	Um,	793.0520
726		793.8161	and then,	794.6636
728		795.0907	/RD-SCHOOL-2/	796.0294
730		796.8732	she- So the thing is, in high school,	798.8251
732		799.1888	<ts>	799.2622
734		799.3523	I was extremely smart, always had a four point O or better,	802.3060
736		803.1869	but I was always fighting,	804.3881
738		805.0187	all the times. I was always-	806.4834
740		806.6469	Boys,	807.1774
742		807.3009	mostly.	807.7796
744		808.4528	Always fighting. (laughing)	809.4939
746		810.0844	So- and this is when I first learned that	812.2365
748		812.5401	<ts> educational system-	813.7622
750		814.3995	the public educational system,	815.9576
752		816.3814	um, really don't care about	817.6159
754		818.2799	kids	818.9205
756		819.3685	or what you're learning and	820.7298
758		820.8566	<ts>	820.9133
760		821.0167	your education, they care about their numbers.	822.8418
762		823.4057	And I learned that because it would take until	825.8457
764		826.2960	the very end of the year	827.6280
766		828.2713	when we could freeze the grades before they would say, okay she can't come back to school. (laughing)	832.3561
768		832.9767	Cause they wanna keep those numbers up cause I had good grades.	835.3490
770		836.0630	But my counterparts or my ch- my other- my peers	838.9533
772		839.6473	who didn't have good grades who may have been in the same level of trouble or better,	843.6446
774		843.9824	oh they're gone the first	845.1402
776		845.7608	little thing they do.	846.6650
778		847.2122	They were suspended, in school suspension, they're	849.1307
780		849.6345	expelled even.	850.5463
782		850.9066	So, one particular incident in /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	853.4291
784		853.6560	um,	854.1064
786		854.5869	I left /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	855.6479
788		856.0291	cause we moved.	856.7698
790		857.3604	Uh, but in /RD-SCHOOL-2/ where I got in the most trouble.	859.3338
792		859.7360	And,	860.2532
794		860.6169	end of the year, same thing. I was used to it, /so many of/ the same thing.	863.0134
796		863.4972	But I was leaving anyway.	864.5382
798		865.1755	End of the year,	865.8888
800		866.2866	there was me, my cousin who's a lawyer now (laughing) who went to Howard. [<laugh>]	869.1602
801	DCB_int_01	869.0801	[<laugh>]	869.7614
802	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	869.7441	Um,	870.0844
803		870.2746	it's funny.	870.7417
805		871.1555	But, <laugh>	871.4958
807		871.7894	um,	872.1898
809		872.7504	and my other cousin, who's not a lawyer,	874.5563
811		874.9700	and,	875.3837
813		876.0511	<ts> um,	876.5382
815		876.7684	couple of friends of ours and we all	878.0664
817		878.4834	in this together, we're all in the office and	880.3060
819		880.6697	we're getting suspended.	881.5139
821		882.1478	And so	883.0854
823		883.6924	they freeze my grades, they freeze my cousin's grades who's a lawyer. She had pretty good grades.	887.3737
825		887.9610	But the other three,	889.0821
827		889.4391	they didn't freeze their grades and they got kicked out.	891.1240
829		892.2260	And they had to take like these summer classes and stuff. And I'm like,	894.3440
831		895.0754	<ts>	895.1421
833		895.9129	all five of us are involved in this thing but I'm the only one that actually physically assaulted somebody. <laugh> And	900.5082
834	DCB_int_01	900.8685	[Mm.]	901.1939
835	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	900.9720	[I don't] get- and so I- This was in tenth grade.	903.2008
836		903.4852	And so I'm like,	904.1052
838		904.2760	<ts>	904.3327
840		904.9567	you know,	905.5539
842		906.0144	I'm really starting to learn that these school systems,	908.6503
844		909.1441	um, at that time, I can't speak for now, it's probably worse.	911.4838
846		911.8809	But	912.1011
848		912.5182	they don't really care	913.6560
850		914.0230	about	914.4501
852		915.1874	the education, it's about the numbers.	916.6754
854		917.3370	Okay?	917.7508
856		918.1979	It's about how much more programs and attention and money they can get into their programs because	922.8566
858		923.3170	we are producing these types of	925.4086
860		925.8862	<ts>	925.9729
862		926.4834	academ- academically,	927.8122
864		928.3761	um,	928.8399
866		929.1101	excelled	929.9576
868		930.2980	children,	930.6860
870		931.1021	right?	931.3554
872		932.5301	So I learned that.	933.3581
874		933.6821	Um,	934.1859
876		934.3260	so /RD-SCHOOL-2/ kicked me out, of course	935.7141
878		936.6383	at the end of the year when there was like, a week left of school. [<laugh>]	939.4652
879	DCB_int_01	939.1416	[Right.]	939.5119
880	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	939.8723	And I'm done, you know, I- I done gave you good grades.	942.2045
882		942.3881	So I go to p- /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	943.8728
884		944.2532	and we still lived- And at this point we bought a house,	946.7765
886		947.2002	our very first home, we purchased a home, so we rich now.	950.0753
888		950.4300	Um, <laugh>	951.4886
890		951.9557	right across from Andrews	953.4305
892		953.7675	Air Force [Base.]	954.5682
893	DCB_int_01	954.2613	[Mm-hm.]	954.7351
894	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	955.0087	Really nice neighborhood at the time. I would say right now it's- mm,	957.6721
896		957.8723	it's teetering.	958.4328
898		958.9400	Still close to the line,	959.9243
900		960.2513	but	960.5272
902		960.8852	very nice area.	961.9929
904		962.4834	Brand new house built from the ground up, so it was a really big deal for us. Up until that point we've always lived-	966.8485
906		967.3723	you know we went from PJs to	969.1754
908		969.5119	renting homes	970.5796
910		970.9900	to now owning	971.8180
912		972.2179	a home. But it took-	972.9419
914		973.4024	by this time I am sixteen.	975.0464
916		976.0224	So sixteen years.	976.7465
918		976.9233	/So that's why [I say/] about fifteen. <laugh> So,	978.5787
919	DCB_int_01	977.2636	[Mm.]	977.4505
920	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	979.0921	um,	979.6259
922		980.1264	<ts>	980.1965
924		980.8371	we go- I go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ at this time.	982.5496
926		982.9800	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ was not my school.	984.0177
928		984.7017	Um,	985.2289
930		985.5992	Suitland	986.2032
932		986.4300	was the school.	987.0006
934		987.5053	My mom was like, you're not	988.7064
936		989.2503	going, I need you-	990.0707
938		990.3580	At this time /RD-SCHOOL-3/ is in Clinton,	991.8995
940		992.4567	Maryland. And Clinton, Maryland at that time was like,	994.4762
942		994.6530	very suburban.	995.6473
944		996.0144	It was basically	997.2047
946		997.7360	Waldorf, you know, it was really really suburban.	999.7280
948		1000.4662	Super green, super, um, vanilla, you know,	1003.3982
950		1003.7294	really nice.	1004.3133
952		1004.8471	And that's where she wanted me.	1006.1058
954		1006.2994	<ts>	1006.3761
956		1006.6530	The education was there.	1007.8810
958		1009.1488	Academically I fit the education. So this was another example of how they don't care. We go there,	1013.6573
960		1014.3280	the principal- Um, we go there the day school starts.	1017.0648
962		1017.2750	My mom goes to register me,	1018.4628
964		1019.0134	the principal is- looks at my record and he sees the grades and he's like, oh you'll be great.	1022.8371
966		1022.9814	I had a four point O, four point five	1024.4395
968		1024.6530	really good grades the whole time.	1025.8308
970		1026.5949	And so,	1026.9686
972		1027.3457	on paper I'm like,	1028.3666
974		1028.7470	give her a scholarship, you know, (laughing) like, give her whatever.	1030.8666
976		1031.4171	And he was just so excited and	1033.0687
978		1033.2689	he didn't even pay attention to the fact that I wasn't zoned	1035.2350
980		1035.6888	for that school.	1036.2226
982		1036.6797	I was zoned for Suitland.	1037.7508
984		1038.2746	<ts> So,	1038.8919
986		1039.0854	when she finally said, okay well-	1040.4100
988		1041.1049	well, she's supposed to be in Suitland,	1042.4228
990		1042.8232	but we- I really want her to come here,	1044.1178
992		1044.4248	oh I'll make it happen.	1045.4858
994		1045.9829	Well he looked over /???/ I think the form is called	1048.3995
996		1048.7631	PS seventy-fours,	1049.8575
998		1050.3647	I think, I can't remember. It's like your file when you bad or whatever so. (laughing)	1053.4911
1000		1054.0224	<laugh> He opens the file,	1055.6211
1002		1056.0144	and there's like a stack.	1057.0354
1004		1057.3123	He's like-	1057.6626
1006		1058.0964	uh, his whole mentality changed.	1060.0591
1008		1060.5930	He- th- the- this stack- this really doesn't match this name or this person, like it's just-	1065.0006
1010		1065.6721	How do you have time to get in this much trouble (laughing) like, when do you do your work? (laughing)	1069.2355
1012		1069.9429	In suspension, so (laughing)	1070.7670
1014		1071.1140	you (laughing) do your work, so.	1072.3027
1016		1072.8833	Um,	1073.3737
1018		1073.6340	at that point he didn't want me to come there and my mom was like, oh she's coming here. So she walked right over to	1078.4962
1020		1078.9200	school board,	1079.6874
1022		1079.8642	um, which is- I think is Upper Marlboro or whatever.	1081.7202
1024		1082.0697	And, um,	1082.7871
1026		1082.9606	she totally-	1083.5845
1028		1083.9891	I do not- like, sh- I don't know what she said to the lady but I got approved	1086.5616
1030		1086.9052	to go there.	1087.3390
1032		1088.3533	I don't know what she said, [but.]	1089.3276
1033	DCB_int_01	1089.0014	[<laugh>]	1089.6187
1034	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1089.7622	And I came and the next day and the principal- It's nothing the principal can do.	1091.8776
1036		1092.5182	He just like-	1093.0153
1038		1093.7961	But	1094.1264
1040		1094.8137	I made a promise,	1095.6751
1042		1096.1325	I wouldn't get in any more trouble,	1097.3137
1044		1097.7975	I would just ignore p- I just had a bad temper, at the time.	1100.1097
1046		1100.5869	Um,	1101.0540
1048		1101.5420	words.	1102.1492
1050		1102.3661	You didn't have to [touch me], just words.	1103.7408
1051	DCB_int_01	1102.8699	[Mm-hm.]	1103.2166
1052	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1104.3680	Really cause /?/	1105.0520
1054		1105.2389	growing up-	1105.7160
1056		1105.9763	when you grew up it's like survival when you come into [the]	1107.9390
1057	DCB_int_01	1107.8589	[Mm.]	1108.1459
1058	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1108.3412	Maryland side it's like, we don't talk. Like, (laughing)	1110.1712
1060		1110.4314	you know, stuff like that, so.	1111.5625
1062		1112.0363	Um,	1112.4467
1064		1113.2784	I did really good	1114.3227
1066		1114.7498	my eleventh grade year,	1115.8609
1068		1116.4014	um, up until	1117.4724
1070		1117.9729	the end of the year.	1118.9005
1072		1119.6220	Um, <laugh>	1120.3961
1074		1120.6630	there was a gentleman	1121.5406
1076		1122.0477	and I was really good friends with his brother in ROTC cause I was in ROTC,	1125.2408
1078		1125.5399	Air Force ROTC. And, um,	1127.5119
1080		1127.7362	<ts>	1127.7896
1082		1128.4369	he- I guess he liked me, I didn't like him.	1130.4956
1084		1130.8359	<laugh> And [he would,]	1131.8202
1085	DCB_int_01	1131.4532	[Mm.]	1131.8451
1086	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1132.5943	uh, kind of taunt me every day.	1134.3527
1088		1134.8039	And one particular day it was day before, uh, senior prom cause he was a senior.	1137.8002
1090		1138.2506	I was a junior.	1138.9380
1092		1139.2850	And he's sitting on his own car.	1140.8106
1094		1141.0927	And at this time I have a car now so I'm like, really moving up. <laugh>	1143.7628
1096		1144.2732	And, um, he says,	1145.1274
1098		1145.8348	can you give me a ride? All I said was no,	1147.5364
1100		1147.7775	and I just kept walking to my car.	1149.0454
1102		1149.5359	And then he proceeded to call me	1150.9806
1104		1151.2275	a very derogatory name,	1152.6122
1106		1153.1460	right?	1153.4330
1108		1153.9810	And I ignored him, and got in my car like, talking to myself like a crazy person.	1157.8381
1110		1158.1884	Like,	1158.3845
1112		1158.5955	just go to your car,	1159.4864
1114		1159.7675	you did good all year. <laugh>	1160.7317
1116		1160.9453	Really coaching myself.	1161.9529
1118		1162.5001	I go to my car, I sit in my car and I'm just coaching myself.	1164.9125
1120		1165.3729	And I look up,	1165.9235
1122		1166.7885	he's standing in front of my car now.	1168.0630
1124		1168.4534	So I ran him over	1169.0774
1126		1169.6646	with the car.	1170.0739
1128		1170.4687	And, um- <laugh>	1171.3629
1130		1171.4830	twice.	1171.8576
1132		1172.6383	And that was the only time. (laughing)	1174.5402
1134		1174.9272	But luckily I was also assistant to our security team,	1177.4430
1136		1177.7767	and this guy really likes me cause he was like, you have so much potential.	1180.4935
1138		1181.0373	And he was like, I don't have nothing on camera.	1182.7957
1140		1183.1727	I don't see no- so- (laughing)	1184.6083
1142		1185.3290	But his mom was extremely livid, she wanted to press charges and everything.	1188.2919
1144		1188.7957	But she, um, <ts>	1190.2171
1146		1190.5382	real- when she saw- when she found out the whole story,	1192.3099
1148		1192.7170	is when she really turned on her son, because she said it was really no reason for you to taunt this young lady.	1197.0687
1150		1197.5092	You have your own vehicle, this would have never happened	1199.9048
1152		1200.1751	had you not really instigated this.	1201.6899
1154		1202.0277	It didn't really excuse me running over his legs and breaking them, it's just that	1204.7804
1156		1206.0083	she said, your legs wouldn't be broken right now if you hadn't	1208.5741
1158		1209.0287	taunted this young lady, so.	1210.0597
1160		1210.5702	Um,	1211.0340
1162		1211.4677	twelfth grade was smooth.	1212.5571
1164		1213.2703	Very smooth, twelfth grade.	1214.5549
1166		1215.1288	So twelfth grade was my most smooth year	1216.8738
1168		1217.3531	and, um,	1218.2941
1170		1218.5043	<ts> I think my most mature.	1219.6253
1172		1220.2626	So,	1220.6630
1174		1221.0768	I'm nothing like that obviously.	1222.4055
1176		1222.7125	You- you couldn't be	1223.5567
1178		1223.8002	where I am today.	1224.5943
1180		1225.4885	Yeah.	1225.7488
1182		1225.9056	/It was/ funny stories. <laugh>	1227.6340
1183	DCB_int_01	1227.5939	How did you- okay so how'd you end up-	1229.6167
1184		1229.8269	um,	1230.4909
1186		1231.2116	so how- so, how'd you	1232.7631
1188		1232.9199	transition from co- like,	1234.4981
1190		1234.7926	from s-	1235.1006
1192		1235.4466	from high school to [college]	1237.2250
1193	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1237.1249	[Uh-huh.]	1237.3902
1194	DCB_int_01	1237.4085	to military?	1238.2018
1195	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1238.4828	Well, I had decided, um,	1240.3480
1197		1240.6858	<ts>	1240.7392
1199		1240.8793	and I was always taught from my parents,	1242.2407
1201		1242.7278	you want change, you gotta change,	1243.7555
1203		1243.9423	period.	1244.3060
1205		1244.7731	You in control of everything,	1246.2479
1207		1246.7384	uh, in your life,	1247.7435
1209		1248.1673	everything, whatever.	1249.0081
1211		1249.4785	You- you know, you- you wanna be a millionaire, you go hang around millionaires.	1251.9710
1213		1252.4281	You know, you-	1252.8985
1215		1253.2722	five dummies in the room, you the sixth dummy.	1254.8412
1217		1254.9914	So, you gotta hang around what you wanna be.	1256.9733
1219		1257.4872	And that's what I decided to do. I was like, you know what, I don't wanna be running people over	1261.0481
1221		1261.3851	all the time they say something to me.	1262.9433
1223		1263.4671	I don't wanna be pushing nobody on train tracks, you know, I don't wanna be doing stuff like that (laughing) so.	1266.7378
1225		1267.2216	I started to	1267.9757
1227		1268.2927	go- literally get up,	1269.6340
1229		1270.2245	as a teenager,	1271.1254
1231		1271.6868	like seventeen at this time, in twelfth grade,	1273.7221
1233		1274.3761	drive to these super rich areas,	1276.4448
1235		1276.8526	and just go hang with those people.	1278.0939
1237		1278.7478	And that's when I learned the power of networking.	1280.3015
1239		1281.5172	So,	1281.8842
1241		1282.4147	I was like, you know what?	1282.9386
1243		1283.4199	I remember being a little kid,	1285.0172
1245		1285.2783	networking. Didn't know what I was doing, I was just playing.	1287.1702
1247		1287.8275	But I'm networking and I'm getting with the types of people that I wanna be around.	1291.6387
1249		1292.0991	And	1292.5930
1251		1293.2402	these people are talking about education,	1294.6149
1253		1295.2263	higher education, entrepreneurship,	1297.3251
1255		1297.6754	inventions.	1298.7064
1257		1299.4304	Things that you just	1300.3980
1259		1300.6458	sit at home,	1301.1930
1261		1301.5066	you know, to where you go work for a place it's because you just want to now cause you have to. I'm here because I want to be. I don't have to be here, I make more money in my own business.	1308.8079
1263		1309.6587	I like HR,	1310.6530
1265		1311.0834	period, I love it. I can't- I just can't step away from it.	1313.6760
1267		1314.2874	Um,	1314.6978
1269		1314.9747	and that- they taught me that.	1316.2493
1271		1316.7231	Um,	1317.0134
1273		1317.4705	I went to the military because I had my daughter young.	1320.0038
1275		1320.2273	My oldest daughter, she's twenty.	1321.3417
1277		1321.9093	I had her- her young.	1322.6563
1279		1323.5639	But I said I'm not gonna let that	1324.4748
1281		1324.8260	get in my way.	1325.4599
1283		1326.0572	So,	1326.5476
1285		1326.9714	I went to the military so that I- cause I didn't wanna depend on my parents.	1329.5272
1287		1329.8008	I didn't wanna be one of those, um, people	1331.4032
1289		1331.9504	that, oh well I'm gonna	1333.0481
1291		1333.4018	live at home and	1334.4195
1293		1335.0667	pretty much now have my parents raise me and my daughter. And	1337.3690
1295		1337.7368	so I said no,	1338.3541
1297		1338.5568	<ts>	1338.6775
1299		1339.2045	I'm gonna go to the military,	1340.5029
1301		1340.9033	start a career	1341.7074
1303		1342.1411	where I can take care	1343.1563
1305		1343.3571	of my daughter, everything, and get my education.	1345.9557
1307		1346.4562	And that's what I did.	1347.2136
1309		1348.2779	So, it was the best decision ever.	1349.9971
1310	DCB_int_01	1351.1115	And so when you moved- when you went to the military you got to travel a lot,	1354.4681
1311	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1354.5715	[Mm-hm.]	1354.8552
1312	DCB_int_01	1354.6483	[clearly.]	1355.1676
1313		1355.6301	Um, were y- so you were separated from your daughter.	1357.9557
1314	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1358.3594	<ts> Yeah, only for like, um,	1360.0978
1316		1360.6525	about eight months.	1361.6000
1317	DCB_int_01	1361.7802	Oh, [okay.]	1362.2255
1318	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1362.0672	[She was] with my mom.	1362.7545
1319		1363.3050	When I went through, uh, my mom and my dad	1364.7831
1321		1365.0601	when I went through basic training	1366.6016
1323		1367.1196	and tech school and then whatever school after that.	1369.2316
1325		1369.7688	Then I got stationed in Dover,	1370.7998
1327		1371.2903	which was-	1371.7641
1329		1372.1478	which is specifically one of the reasons why I picked mortuary.	1374.6844
1331		1375.0348	Mortuary was my original field.	1376.5896
1333		1377.3470	Uh, [yeah.]	1377.9710
1334	DCB_int_01	1377.7708	[Wow.] (whispered)	1378.3268
1335	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1378.5824	Well /?/ you can't make a mistake, it's quiet.	1380.3308
1337		1380.7712	So, I picked mortuary	1382.1492
1339		1382.7364	and-	1383.1068
1340	DCB_int_01	1383.1702	And people- you know, you will never go out of business cause people always die.	1386.1039
1341	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1386.0438	They always die.	1386.7645
1342		1387.6620	Mortuary and	1388.7264
1344		1389.1468	being a- uh,	1389.9943
1346		1390.2546	a GYN,	1390.8760
1348		1391.0095	OB.	1391.3843
1349	DCB_int_01	1391.4365	Yup [cause people] always will have babies.	1393.2316
1350	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1391.7268	[/Always-/]	1392.0905
1351		1393.2516	Yup.	1393.5103
1353		1394.3260	So, um,	1395.3537
1355		1395.7541	also went into mortuary. I went in because it's quiet,	1397.8736
1357		1398.4509	not cause I didn't wanna talk to anybody, but I wanted to study.	1400.6772
1359		1400.8766	Cause I was like, I'm not gonna be here forever.	1402.3413
1361		1402.8885	I'm'a get my degree, (laughing)	1403.6734
1363		1403.9237	you know, that was my	1404.6511
1365		1404.7512	plan.	1405.2250
1367		1405.7788	Um,	1406.2560
1369		1406.4061	and it was just to do mortuary. HR was never-	1408.7083
1371		1409.1855	I had no- HR was not even	1410.7678
1373		1411.2884	in my, um, path	1412.5543
1375		1412.8599	at all.	1413.2652
1377		1413.7708	Um, I didn't quite no what my path was gonna be other than that I'm'a just get my education and see where it takes me.	1418.4428
1379		1418.9733	It just so happened that, um- And I was a true mor- like mortuary /?/. I was doing f- like forensics, working with the FBI and stuff like that,	1425.0134
1381		1425.4838	um, as they come through Dover. Cause that's the main mortuary for the entire military.	1428.6144
1383		1429.4785	Not just the Air Force, all the branches.	1430.9900
1385		1431.5472	Um,	1432.0677
1387		1432.6958	one of /our/ ladies went out	1433.9237
1389		1434.1472	on maternity leave.	1435.3072
1391		1435.6487	And they're like,	1436.0357
1393		1436.6530	/RD-NAME-2/ we need you to come,	1437.9676
1395		1438.2946	you're really good talking with the people.	1439.6501
1397		1440.0038	And I was like, I don't wanna talk to these people.	1441.1182
1399		1441.4051	[And they was like-]	1441.9491
1400	DCB_int_01	1441.6153	[That's why I'm in] the mortuary.	1442.5727
1401	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1442.9299	Right, I was like, whatchu mean? I'm cool talking to you.	1445.1288
1403		1445.4666	So they're like, no I want you to talk to the people.	1446.9614
1405		1447.3150	And- but I didn't know how to take it because they said, well,	1449.5138
1407		1449.8175	you're really good talking to people because you don't have any emotions.	1452.3627
1409		1452.8980	I was like,	1453.2650
1411		1453.6354	what are you trying to say? He was like, you don't care. I was like, I do care. (laughing)	1455.8075
1413		1456.2279	They needed somebody who can talk to-	1458.1439
1415		1458.8780	Because	1459.1949
1417		1459.3159	when you're in the HR side of mortuary you know everything,	1461.8208
1419		1462.3413	right?	1462.6550
1421		1463.1596	On my side of the house you're just a number.	1464.7445
1423		1465.7822	I don't know your name,	1466.6664
1425		1467.1702	I don't wanna know your name.	1468.0243
1427		1468.3622	I don't know where you came from, I don't know if you have kids, I don't know if you're pregnant now.	1471.6587
1429		1472.0524	I don't know anything. And we kind of like it that way cause it keeps you detached.	1474.7884
1431		1475.8837	Well on the HR side you know everything.	1477.4685
1433		1478.1725	So you knew- you know	1479.1301
1435		1479.6006	that they just joined or	1480.9052
1437		1481.2030	they might've died in a car accident. You know, it's not always war.	1483.2850
1439		1483.6120	It's whatever.	1484.2540
1441		1484.4995	/And/ they just have that benefit cause they're military,	1486.2679
1443		1486.9995	or they're military dependent.	1488.2440
1445		1488.5443	<ts>	1488.6177
1447		1488.8412	So,	1489.2850
1449		1489.8489	they're like, we need someone who can	1491.3370
1451		1491.6273	talk to the families	1492.6349
1453		1493.0120	and just be	1493.6434
1455		1494.2573	mundane.	1494.8227
1457		1495.4585	Just be	1495.9590
1459		1496.1325	morbid. And just be like,	1497.2085
1461		1497.5172	<ts>	1497.5939
1463		1497.8075	this is what happened,	1498.5682
1465		1499.1663	blah blah blah.	1499.7101
1467		1500.0104	And while the families are falling all on the floor you're just like,	1502.0491
1469		1503.2936	<ts>	1503.3904
1471		1503.7841	I'm gonna leave these papers here for you, (laughing) you know.	1505.3398
1473		1505.7335	You have to kind of keep it	1506.7378
1475		1507.2617	separate.	1507.6120
1477		1508.1058	Um, I said	1508.5763
1479		1509.0701	okay.	1509.5506
1481		1509.8075	I said, this the HR side? Hm.	1511.0654
1483		1511.5633	But-	1511.7635
1485		1512.1339	so I came to HR through that door,	1513.8289
1487		1514.4195	but that's the military mortuary side of it.	1516.4881
1489		1517.0161	Um,	1517.4532
1491		1517.5967	but then I kind of liked it and I learned	1519.5419
1493		1520.0491	the vast	1520.8232
1495		1521.0667	world	1521.6640
1497		1522.4181	of HR. It's so broad, um,	1524.3808
1499		1525.1649	it's ever changing.	1526.3961
1501		1527.0768	It's never the same, mortuary's always the same.	1529.3056
1503		1530.1005	Like /we-/ this-	1530.7478
1505		1531.5653	people die, you try to fix 'em, you can't fix 'em.	1533.5939
1507		1534.3280	Casket, no casket, it's-	1535.4733
1509		1536.0238	it's always the same.	1536.8279
1511		1537.5286	Um, HR is so	1539.0100
1513		1539.3570	vast, you meet so many people.	1541.0620
1515		1541.6201	So many personalities,	1543.3184
1517		1543.7688	um, so many characters	1545.1821
1519		1545.7608	all over the world.	1546.5790
1521		1547.1796	Um,	1547.7035
1523		1547.9270	the universal laws	1549.0715
1525		1549.3784	are the same,	1550.2526
1527		1550.6230	and then you have these little break out laws. And so,	1552.2646
1529		1552.5816	it was just so fascinating and intriguing and /then/ so I decided to	1555.5553
1531		1555.8589	run from there.	1556.4628
1532	DCB_int_01	1556.8899	What's your craziest HR story	1558.7019
1534		1559.2263	that you [can share?]	1560.1344
1535	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1559.4966	[Oh,]	1559.8837
1536		1560.6144	well without giving out obviously any names,	1562.3594
1537	DCB_int_01	1562.3027	Right.	1562.5533
1538	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1562.9867	or the company. Um, <laugh>	1564.5882
1540		1564.9986	one company I work with, um, the craziest stories,	1567.9990
1542		1568.4695	um, that were just so- Considering it was a Fortune five hundred company.	1570.8785
1544		1571.1496	This is the only company I work with that's	1572.5777
1546		1573.3618	this small,	1573.9990
1548		1574.3661	which	1574.6230
1550		1574.9299	I'm inviting, I'm actually ready for that (laughing)	1576.8084
1552		1576.9928	cause everyone has been	1578.0405
1554		1578.5343	forty-five hundred or more,	1579.6303
1556		1580.1525	so.	1580.5996
1557	DCB_int_01	1580.6497	Okay, well we're not that. [We won't-] we won't be that, so you're good.	1583.7057
1558	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1581.7874	[No.]	1582.0978
1559		1583.7202	This [particular] company is like a hundred thousand or so.	1586.0424
1560	DCB_int_01	1583.9571	[You're good.]	1584.2240
1561	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1586.5896	And	1587.2035
1563		1588.1878	all of the district managers just wanna sleep with all the cashiers.	1590.9974
1565		1592.2293	And I'm like, <sigh>	1593.5539
1567		1594.0410	So I- I spend most of my time doing	1595.7502
1569		1595.8937	investigations.	1596.8012
1571		1597.4151	All the time, (laughing) constantly doing investigations.	1600.1244
1573		1600.6783	And the funniest stories are like the district managers	1603.7570
1575		1604.2593	treating	1605.0701
1577		1605.3704	some of the cashier women	1606.9219
1579		1607.5533	like their personal	1609.0481
1581		1609.5987	<ts>	1609.6821
1583		1611.1668	escorts,	1611.8809
1585		1612.2713	but in a respectable way.	1613.7001
1587		1614.4542	Um, I mean, buying them things, flowers and ugh, it's just so-	1618.2446
1589		1618.7117	And I would just be sitting and-	1619.8503
1591		1620.0939	and keep in mind,	1620.9080
1593		1621.1816	you're- as a HR professional,	1622.8699
1595		1623.3170	you work closely with your district managers, they're your- they're your business partners. Like, /RD-NAME-3/ would be a business partner to me.	1628.1125
1597		1628.6563	Um,	1629.0667
1599		1629.4104	so it gets weird to them	1631.0228
1601		1631.3565	when it comes	1632.2373
1603		1632.7345	to investigation cause though we're business partners and we're,	1635.2503
1605		1635.5772	um, professional friends,	1637.2522
1607		1637.6968	<ts>	1637.7669
1609		1638.4309	I know how to turn it off.	1639.4842
1611		1639.7555	That's where mortuary comes back in, (laughing) I turn it [off when it comes] to the investigation side.	1642.9653
1612	DCB_int_01	1641.3670	[Mm.]	1641.8575
1613	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1643.6401	And they feel embarrassed because they're like,	1645.2850
1615		1645.4318	god, like this-	1646.2350
1617		1646.6597	It's embarrassing	1647.4204
1619		1647.6907	when they know that you know	1648.8585
1621		1649.3665	what they've been doing. Um,	1650.7812
1623		1651.0281	<ts>	1651.0948
1625		1651.2383	those stories are always the funniest because they-	1653.3036
1627		1653.6306	that's when I learned that people can be very creative	1655.7005
1629		1656.0905	with their stories (laughing) when they come up with things.	1657.8656
1631		1658.2026	Even when you say,	1659.0334
1633		1659.7207	it's on video.	1660.7384
1635		1661.1997	Oh,	1661.5333
1637		1662.0638	that's not me. I'm like, like Shaggy?	1663.6988
1639		1664.1459	That's not you?	1664.5396
1640	DCB_int_01	1665.1869	<laugh>	1665.3403
1641	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1665.3165	<laugh> They like-	1665.8008
1642	DCB_int_01	1665.7908	<laugh>	1665.9209
1643	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1666.2312	I'm like, okay.	1666.9352
1645		1667.1529	And so I'm like, that's-	1667.8002
1647		1667.9370	that's not you.	1668.3908
1649		1669.2884	No that's not- that's your twin.	1670.4108
1651		1671.2870	That's your twin?	1671.8310
1652	DCB_int_01	1672.4990	That you just had yesterday?	1673.7852
1653	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1673.8303	Yeah, that's wearing your clothes?	1675.2496
1655		1676.0257	In our store? Putting in your code?	1677.6673
1657		1678.1011	<laugh> So,	1678.6451
1659		1679.2289	I mean, it- those- those pieces are	1681.3818
1661		1681.8022	hilarious, and I still	1682.8732
1663		1683.3837	get those stories today from the same company cause people are still there.	1686.0605
1665		1686.4375	So yeah.	1686.8122
1666	DCB_int_01	1687.4919	Wow. (whispered)	1687.8422
1668		1688.1926	That's-	1688.5188
1670		1688.7931	well, okay.	1689.5639
1672		1690.0610	So how do you-	1690.9219
1674		1691.5633	you-	1691.7769
1676		1692.0638	So you still have your own business now?	1693.4752
1677	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1693.4852	Mm-hm.	1693.8185
1678	DCB_int_01	1694.0858	So what's your business? If you don't mind me [asking.]	1696.4297
1679	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1696.1511	[We-] oh yeah no problem, we do mostly, um, <ts>	1698.3591
1680		1698.6778	media	1699.3484
1682		1699.8122	sponsorships, lots of sponsorships, we get a lot of sponsorship requests.	1702.8251
1684		1703.1463	Uh, but more consulting.	1704.2307
1686		1704.5343	Um, because I kind of got burnt out	1705.9023
1688		1706.3360	with actually soliciting	1707.4838
1690		1707.8275	sponsorships.	1708.5615
1692		1709.0220	Um, I just didn't wanna do it anymore.	1710.3574
1694		1710.6844	So- but I got really good at it.	1712.3427
1696		1712.7364	So I said I'm just gonna consult people on how	1714.9185
1698		1715.1730	to do it.	1715.5596
1700		1715.8636	How to put your package together, what that package should look like.	1717.9990
1702		1718.4562	Things like that. Um,	1719.4338
1704		1719.5539	and I done have fun doing that.	1720.9853
1706		1721.3765	Um, lots of business consulting	1723.4885
1708		1723.7922	on both the	1724.5496
1710		1724.9233	corporate and entertainment side.	1726.1545
1711	DCB_int_01	1727.2697	You said we, so it's you-	1728.9013
1712	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1729.1949	<ts> I have like, four staff members.	1730.4895
1713	DCB_int_01	1730.5829	Oh wow.	1731.3603
1714	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1731.4638	Yeah.	1731.7505
1715	DCB_int_01	1732.2245	That's amazing.	1732.8785
1717		1733.1997	And so I remember the other day we were talking just kind of in passing. You said [that one] of the things that you had to leave DC.	1738.7851
1718	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1736.3460	[Mm-hm.]	1736.6830
1719	DCB_int_01	1739.6734	And it took- no, when you came back it took you a long time to appreciate it.	1742.7164
1720	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1742.9700	[Oh yeah.]	1743.5906
1721	DCB_int_01	1742.9733	[Tell me about] that.	1743.8453
1722	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1743.8308	Oh my god.	1744.3080
1723		1744.8385	Um,	1745.4391
1725		1745.8303	<ts>	1745.9137
1727		1746.0638	I left, um, traveling with the military.	1748.2927
1729		1748.8932	And when I came back,	1750.3613
1731		1750.9160	um, like in O six I think it was,	1753.0348
1733		1754.1459	I- I- <sigh> I mean, I just was like-	1756.4815
1735		1757.2797	When you've been all over the world and you've been to these places where mentality is just so different,	1761.7841
1737		1762.3113	um, the mentality is more positive, people are more	1764.8713
1739		1765.2850	willing to help you be better,	1767.6807
1741		1768.3346	and people are willing to just be better,	1769.7469
1743		1770.1205	period.	1770.6611
1745		1771.5853	And you come back	1772.7631
1747		1773.3103	here	1773.8609
1749		1774.9661	and people are just angry,	1776.4409
1751		1777.0081	um,	1777.6020
1753		1777.7588	it's a crab world, everybody's pulling each other down,	1780.4815
1755		1781.2464	um,	1781.9604
1757		1782.3007	just a bunch of negativity basically.	1784.0558
1759		1784.6397	But,	1784.9767
1761		1785.5105	<ts>	1785.5973
1763		1785.9242	I s- I also digress and say that's what I see,	1789.1616
1765		1789.6587	because of where I came from,	1790.9400
1767		1791.6173	from so long being away	1793.1054
1769		1793.6468	that	1793.9470
1771		1794.4509	when I compared it,	1795.3851
1773		1796.1425	that's what I see is the negative stuff.	1797.8275
1775		1798.4055	Um,	1798.9294
1777		1800.1039	and I hated it.	1800.7545
1779		1801.3317	I was like,	1801.7955
1781		1802.0224	I am moving, I can't be here,	1803.9610
1783		1804.4381	this is- I'm going to commit a crime,	1806.8446
1785		1807.1749	and I don't wanna commit a crime (laughing) cause I don't want my kids in these schools.	1810.2012
1787		1810.5449	I'm'a beat a teacher up.	1811.4899
1789		1811.8169	I can't do it. (laughing)	1812.6778
1791		1812.8379	So,	1813.3166
1793		1813.8222	um,	1814.3661
1795		1814.8165	I end up-	1815.2603
1797		1815.6506	when I first came back I was	1816.7884
1799		1817.0228	right over the DC line, in Suitland, Forestville [type area.]	1820.3994
1800	DCB_int_01	1819.7237	[Mm-hm.]	1820.0792
1801	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1821.1201	And	1821.6940
1803		1821.9276	not even six months	1822.8752
1805		1823.0228	and I- I moved.	1823.9103
1807		1824.3441	And, um, it was like- it was-	1825.1782
1809		1825.3084	it- the rent was good, it was all, you know, utilities included.	1827.7897
1811		1828.2064	Um, and it was- it was really good for me to just be there for a little bit before I purchased.	1831.4470
1813		1832.1410	I couldn't even last six months.	1833.3822
1815		1833.8060	And, um,	1834.3231
1817		1834.4833	I moved to Waldorf	1835.2880
1819		1835.9322	where it was-	1836.7497
1821		1837.2935	traffic was horrible,	1838.6181
1823		1839.4690	the rent was way more, at least double	1841.4309
1825		1841.7812	what I was paying.	1842.5795
1827		1843.2902	But	1843.7239
1829		1844.3479	<ts> at that time I had my two daughters	1845.6992
1831		1846.3665	and	1847.0205
1833		1847.7145	<ts> it was worth it.	1848.3985
1835		1849.2401	I was like, you can't really put a price tag or a convenience	1851.8126
1837		1851.9861	marker	1852.4566
1839		1852.8803	on safety	1853.7777
1840	DCB_int_01	1854.1958	[Mm-hm.]	1854.7771
1841	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1854.3059	[and education,]	1855.6172
1842		1856.2111	things of that nature. You know, I don't have to worry about being a teacher up here.	1858.7602
1844		1859.0972	Things like that.	1859.7679
1846		1860.3760	You know, I don't have to worry about	1861.6505
1848		1862.0576	a lot of safety things. You know, you- you can't just be like you on the prairie and just be free for all.	1866.1049
1850		1866.5361	But	1866.7530
1852		1867.1334	you just don't have those.	1868.0910
1854		1868.4880	Whereas I can go to work,	1869.3889
1856		1869.8460	and not be so	1871.2674
1858		1871.7445	like, oh my god,	1872.4594
1860		1872.8965	what's going on? And is- is somebody breaking in my h- You know, I don't have to do all of those things.	1876.2030
1862		1876.6468	Um,	1877.0438
1864		1877.9255	<ts>	1878.0023
1866		1878.1724	it probably was moving to that area	1880.2211
1868		1880.5047	that kind of	1881.0919
1870		1882.5901	allowed me to process being back home,	1884.9165
1872		1885.5104	<ts>	1885.6005
1874		1885.6973	um,	1886.1844
1876		1886.8317	without all the distractions. And allowed me to process why some of the people	1890.6654
1878		1891.3069	in this area are the way they are	1893.0119
1880		1893.4857	and why they're starting- some of them were becoming a product	1895.9280
1882		1896.1791	of their environment.	1897.0766
1884		1898.1010	It's not necessarily their fault,	1899.3288
1886		1899.9795	a lot of times it's the /upbreaking-/	1901.3341
1888		1901.5844	the upbringing	1902.3893
1890		1902.9532	and the	1903.7039
1892		1904.2111	disallowance	1905.1887
1894		1905.5824	of the ability to imagine.	1906.9638
1896		1907.5010	You know,	1907.8980
1898		1909.0500	in the	1909.7506
1900		1910.2611	urban areas that are just more of a struggle to be in,	1912.4666
1902		1913.5885	parents are constantly telling	1915.0266
1904		1915.4003	their children,	1916.1010
1906		1916.8083	stop daydreaming,	1917.7303
1908		1918.0796	stop-	1918.3999
1910		1919.0171	you know, stop being- stop playing like it's a fairytale, when it really should be the opposite. You should	1923.1153
1912		1924.1596	tell your children to daydream all the time.	1925.8980
1914		1926.3993	Tell 'em to pretend	1927.4770
1916		1927.9475	all the time, cause eventually it's gonna be.	1929.7125
1918		1930.0862	The problem is,	1930.8503
1920		1931.6144	we want to force them into another	1934.1010
1922		1934.3913	mindset and so then they grow up as adults,	1936.1100
1924		1936.6468	and it's even worse.	1937.5477
1926		1937.8421	And I- it took me some while to not only	1939.7239
1928		1940.0076	recognize but appreciate it.	1941.2454
1930		1941.8460	And that's what started to slowly	1943.3475
1932		1943.7879	but surely	1944.3751
1934		1944.9599	change my mindset	1946.1410
1936		1946.4780	up until about two years ago.	1947.3956
1938		1947.7426	So,	1948.0896
1940		1948.4191	/?/ in Forestville was eight years.	1949.6845
1942		1950.1324	I was just like,	1950.6763
1944		1951.4036	I'm not staying here.	1952.0943
1946		1952.4647	It wasn't until I- I felt trapped	1954.2698
1948		1954.4099	cause my	1954.9004
1950		1955.2807	oldest daughter was in high school and	1956.9932
1951	DCB_int_01	1956.9899	Mm.	1957.2735
1952	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1957.5071	<ts>	1957.5805
1954		1957.6706	doing well. And,	1958.6081
1956		1959.2121	you know, I was like, <sigh> I can't rip her from high school. (laughing)	1961.3908
1958		1961.8146	So I said, well when she gets out I'm going, but then I got one four years behind her, so I'm like, dang.	1966.0035
1960		1966.3498	Okay, when she get done.	1967.2440
1962		1967.6144	And then I have	1968.1316
1964		1968.6629	my son, so.	1969.6439
1966		1970.4580	It's- it- it was a done deal that I'm not	1972.5700
1968		1973.2474	going. And I have one on the way.	1974.2083
1970		1974.4093	So I'm not going [anywhere.]	1975.4503
1971	DCB_int_01	1975.3336	[Oh congratulations.]	1977.6992
1972	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1975.8874	[Yeah.]	1976.2968
1974		1976.5381	[Thank you.]	1977.0661
1976		1977.6592	Thank you.	1978.1552
1977	DCB_int_01	1978.7169	Aw, happy [mommy.]	1980.2298
1978	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	1979.3742	[/So-/]	1979.7655
1980		1979.9514	[Thank] you.	1980.5687
1981		1981.0433	So I'm like, I'm-	1981.6806
1983		1982.2711	we not going anywhere,	1983.2888
1985		1983.6191	so. And I met my love, and so	1985.3074
1987		1985.7345	yeah.	1985.9839
1989		1986.4218	But even before all that, which I'm glad that even before all that	1989.0552
1991		1989.4356	I had already	1990.3732
1993		1991.1773	become comfortable	1992.1558
1995		1992.3893	in a- in a positive light	1993.8040
1997		1994.3712	of being back home.	1995.1086
1999		1995.8493	Because	1996.4132
2001		1996.9204	you really can't-	1997.8804
2003		1999.1300	I don't recommend people	2000.3846
2005		2000.7750	getting into something if they're not	2001.9361
2007		2002.1463	sound within themselves first.	2003.8246
2008	DCB_int_01	2003.8780	Mm.	2004.2450
2009	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2004.4260	So,	2004.7830
2011		2005.5504	that worked out	2006.2704
2013		2006.8183	really well, but it took me about a good eight years	2008.4970
2015		2009.1506	before I was like,	2009.9447
2017		2010.6963	this is home and- and there's so much	2012.9940
2019		2013.4957	substance here. And	2014.7435
2021		2015.3975	<ts>	2015.4776
2023		2015.5810	I can't allow other people's disposition to determine what a- you know, how I'm feeling about where I'm from	2020.2431
2025		2020.9171	and where I'm at.	2021.5110
2027		2021.7779	Cause there's so- that's a small group	2023.3636
2029		2023.6706	when you look at the masses.	2024.6715
2031		2025.2154	There's so m- many opportunities	2027.2515
2033		2027.7812	right here.	2028.1449
2035		2028.5928	/Have/ remind myself people travel the world	2030.3078
2037		2030.4180	to come here.	2031.1120
2039		2032.3331	People travel the world, they can tell me more about my city than I can, because all I can tell them about is the bricks.	2036.3813
2041		2037.1120	I can't tell them about	2038.1363
2043		2038.3799	the museums and the- the other exhibits and things when I should be able to,	2042.2578
2045		2042.7616	you know.	2043.1253
2047		2043.9394	You know, my family in DR they're like, oh you- you go visit la casa blanca? No.	2046.9365
2049		2047.6038	What do you mean?	2048.1577
2051		2048.5314	They're like- (laughing)	2048.9407
2053		2049.3455	I'm like, w-	2049.8293
2055		2050.1763	what makes you think- But I should.	2051.3842
2057		2051.9122	You know, so	2052.4360
2059		2052.8798	all of these luxuries I have right here. People have spent big money to come way over here for it.	2056.9871
2061		2058.0823	So.	2058.3660
2062	DCB_int_01	2058.9031	So you're never a tourist in your own backyard?	2060.6215
2064		2061.0586	Or you haven't been?	2061.6859
2065	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2062.0963	<sigh> Only because of work.	2063.8256
2067		2064.2992	<laugh> Not because-	2065.2468
2069		2065.7940	And I need to,	2066.5848
2071		2066.8217	which I should, because	2067.8660
2073		2068.5634	<ts> my, um,	2069.4876
2075		2069.7212	fiance is from Washington state.	2071.2368
2076	DCB_int_01	2071.7506	Mm.	2071.9975
2077	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2072.0543	Small, small, teeny town called Steptoe,	2074.7302
2079		2075.3942	Washington.	2076.0014
2081		2076.4294	And he is super white	2077.7340
2083		2078.3045	and we super opposite which is so funny.	2080.7502
2085		2081.3241	Um,	2081.9714
2087		2082.2492	he teaches me so much because I'm like, what do you mean,	2084.6415
2089		2084.8651	what is sun tea? I thought that was a brand, it's like, you actually put it in the sun and make tea, I didn't know.	2088.7897
2091		2089.2802	So,	2089.6205
2093		2089.8307	I'm like- he's like, how you make tea on the stove.	2091.3655
2095		2091.9161	So,	2092.2898
2097		2092.5333	his- um,	2093.1473
2099		2093.9714	he will give me a good excuse	2095.6238
2101		2095.9542	to really	2096.6515
2103		2097.1854	go out	2097.6658
2105		2098.2331	and tour and see things but <laugh> little will he know, I'm learning too.	2102.0676
2107		2102.8651	And I'm from here.	2103.5657
2109		2104.2130	But that's just- that's the luxuries that	2106.0348
2111		2106.8197	we-	2107.4337
2113		2107.6372	I think we take advantage of.	2108.7483
2115		2109.5691	There's so much history here	2110.7602
2117		2111.3275	in Maryland, Virginia, and DC.	2113.3169
2119		2113.8574	So much	2114.7816
2121		2115.2454	history back to the seventeen hundreds	2117.4309
2123		2117.7387	that- um, and I love history,	2119.2635
2125		2120.0276	that, uh, is right here in your- in our backyard, like	2122.3765
2127		2122.8236	right here.	2123.3141
2129		2123.7954	We got people that come from China to see this.	2126.1477
2131		2126.3479	We know cause they won't get out the street.	2127.9061
2132	DCB_int_01	2128.9504	Sounds like you almost hit somebody, sounds like you almost hit somebody. (whispered)	2131.6311
2133	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2132.1444	On purpose because you- why are you walking in the street (laughing)	2134.5033
2135		2135.3642	like this (laughing)	2136.3585
2137		2136.7797	with a camera? What are you taking pictures of the clouds for? You got clouds in China?	2139.6558
2139		2140.1296	Like what y'all doing? Just crazy. (laughing)	2142.6220
2141		2143.3369	So, um, but it's- it's just-	2144.7434
2143		2145.5124	it's a beautiful thing, so.	2146.9371
2145		2147.3141	I appreciate home	2148.2951
2147		2148.8030	now.	2149.1537
2149		2149.6973	Now when I go places I appreciate those places and I come back and appreciate home.	2153.1406
2151		2153.8379	Period.	2154.2353
2153		2155.0233	So yeah.	2155.4103
2154	DCB_int_01	2155.7707	Are you still- <clears throat> so do you still live in- you live in Waldorf, now?	2158.5520
2155	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2158.6001	Uh-huh.	2158.9441
2157		2159.3475	I won't leave.	2160.1149
2158	DCB_int_01	2160.3726	Does mommy still live here?	2161.4537
2159	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2161.7473	Mm-hm.	2162.0500
2160	DCB_int_01	2162.0276	In- in the District?	2162.9551
2161	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2162.9652	She's in Fort Washington.	2163.9861
2162	DCB_int_01	2164.2364	Okay.	2164.6924
2163	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2164.7602	Uh-huh.	2165.0539
2164	DCB_int_01	2165.0171	Oh,	2165.2907
2165		2165.4476	she's right- she- so right over the line.	2167.2362
2166	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2167.2869	[Mm-hm.]	2167.5871
2167	DCB_int_01	2167.4937	[So] y- whole [family-]	2168.5177
2168	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2168.0876	[But she closer] to-	2168.9451
2169		2169.0719	to the Waldorf side because she's on two ten.	2171.5543
2170	DCB_int_01	2171.6119	She's on two ten so she's down [some.]	2173.0366
2171	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2172.7296	[Yeah], she's on- but she's on /RD-ADDRESS-5/ so she's closer to	2176.0162
2172		2176.6067	just keep it on two ten, two twenty-eight right there.	2178.3184
2173	DCB_int_01	2178.6629	Gotcha.	2179.0056
2174	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2179.0600	Yeah.	2179.3703
2175	DCB_int_01	2179.3236	Gotcha.	2179.6929
2176		2180.3512	So let me ask you this, so this is just a random question cause you've done a lot of things, you've experienced a lot of things. Was there ever a time you felt like, oh my god this is it, I'm gonna die?	2187.0285
2177	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2187.4089	Mm-mm.	2187.6892
2178	DCB_int_01	2188.3398	You never felt that way? You never felt like you were in danger	2190.6629
2180		2190.8531	of you losing your life?	2191.6572
2181	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2191.8474	Mm-mm.	2192.2244
2182	DCB_int_01	2193.1186	Hm.	2193.4053
2183	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2193.4590	No.	2193.8293
2184	DCB_int_01	2194.9538	Cause you like to fight.	2195.7111
2185	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2196.7663	No, I don't even like to fight.	2198.4446
2186	DCB_int_01	2198.6081	I mean, but you [will fight.]	2199.6358
2187	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2199.0652	[I had to fight]	2200.0279
2188		2200.8036	growing up. But, um,	2202.5561
2190		2202.8831	I just don't-	2203.3245
2192		2203.6472	no.	2203.9579
2194		2204.8317	I never felt like that, not even being in the military, not even being	2207.7445
2196		2208.2992	in, um, war zones.	2210.1343
2198		2210.8884	I just didn't feel like it. It's like, you have a job to do and get it done, get out of here.	2213.3775
2200		2214.0448	Like I didn't really feel like it.	2215.1434
2202		2215.7173	I mean, I had friends that felt that way.	2217.3689
2204		2218.2097	And, uh, you just want them to snap out of it like (laughing) we got something to do, you know.	2221.9775
2206		2222.5648	Um,	2223.0586
2208		2223.4523	I'm trying to think.	2224.0696
2210		2224.7035	No.	2225.1439
2212		2225.9214	I've probably only been in two car accidents my entire life.	2228.5881
2214		2229.4923	Never felt like it then I just wanted to be like, I hope they got insurance, but I never felt like it then. (laughing)	2234.5881
2216		2235.2020	Um, I felt like	2236.2364
2218		2236.7435	people around me	2237.6711
2220		2237.9714	was about to die.	2238.7230
2222		2238.9065	Because they sitting in a burning car	2240.4813
2224		2240.7816	and didn't get out.	2241.3922
2226		2242.2364	And I'm like, they gonna die.	2243.2173
2228		2243.6878	So I felt like that. But I- but that was older	2246.3779
2230		2246.8884	and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that	2249.1740
2232		2249.3475	<ts> I worked around a lot of dead people.	2250.6087
2234		2252.0342	And I worked arou- a lot around that environment and you /?/ couldn't really have any emotion.	2255.5777
2236		2256.1524	You really couldn't cause you would just go crazy.	2258.2711
2238		2258.9551	And the people who did didn't last, not even a month.	2261.3834
2240		2261.8179	They would go crazy, and it's understandable.	2263.3102
2242		2263.9275	You see everything. It's not all pretty and clean like,	2266.3532
2244		2266.9204	old people having a heart attack. It's	2268.1282
2246		2268.8264	people flat like a pancake.	2270.3712
2248		2271.3522	And you're expected to bring them back,	2273.6177
2250		2273.8379	m- like, make 'em look good to	2275.3202
2252		2275.8841	be seen with their family. And it's- then I have to be the one saying, but do you guys have a picture?	2278.9938
2254		2279.4876	Cause that's what you're gonna need.	2280.3384
2256		2280.5628	You gonna need a picture.	2281.3035
2258		2283.4123	Yeah.	2283.7922
2259	DCB_int_01	2286.3518	Like,	2286.6362
2261		2287.8808	so your job, it's like you're an artist. Like,	2289.7818
2263		2289.9995	I mean, but	2290.4355
2265		2290.8336	a miracle-	2291.4376
2267		2292.2217	[I guess I] just don't understand that wor-	2294.1811
2268	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2292.2392	[Mm.]	2292.6963
2269	DCB_int_01	2294.4947	[Wow.] (whispered)	2294.8374
2270	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2294.6749	[The world.] Well we used to have a guy, he's- he's passed away now,	2297.4476
2271		2297.9280	um, he was a civilian that actually ran the mortuary, Mr. /RD-NAME-3/.	2300.7116
2273		2301.1587	Uh, really feisty Italian man, I loved him.	2303.6444
2275		2304.0590	Um, he really- he's like such a super	2307.3989
2277		2307.9528	patriot.	2308.7068
2279		2309.1273	He- um,	2309.8139
2281		2310.4218	you know, he's like, these are American soldiers, we need to try to	2312.9418
2283		2313.1286	make them look good so their families can see them one last time.	2316.3151
2285		2316.8197	So he would try everything, I mean, you could just be like, flat like a pancake and he would try	2321.1973
2287		2321.7912	to do everything to work with our,	2323.8774
2289		2324.1077	<ts> uh, structural department, I did reconstructions,	2326.7169
2291		2327.1406	to get them back looking decent.	2329.1033
2293		2329.3736	But there was lots of times we could not, like when the USS, um,	2332.8670
2295		2333.1373	Cole	2333.6678
2297		2333.8121	got blown up, the Navy ship.	2335.2535
2299		2336.0810	Um,	2336.4947
2301		2336.7082	nothing you can do with them,	2338.1096
2303		2338.4666	some of them, most of them.	2339.5977
2305		2340.0557	Um, lot of victims coming back from Pentagon, nine eleven, stuff like that,	2343.9962
2307		2344.1630	<ts>	2344.2397
2309		2344.3865	nothing you can really do with them.	2345.5744
2311		2346.2592	Um,	2346.9499
2313		2347.4937	so we would be like, Mr. /RD-NAME-3/, there's nothing we can do with them.	2350.4866
2315		2350.9304	And he would just be so upset, but he knew that it was-	2353.0700
2317		2353.2735	it was nothing you could really do.	2354.3012
2319		2354.8350	So then it would be my job to	2356.3198
2321		2356.7302	talk to the families.	2357.7479
2323		2358.0456	<ts>	2358.1057
2325		2358.4961	And, um,	2359.6572
2327		2360.2812	obviously they know what happened already,	2361.7526
2329		2362.3432	but to let them know that we're not gonna be able to have open casket, do you have a picture?	2365.6845
2331		2367.0119	You know, and of course they're	2368.2698
2333		2369.1706	boohoo crying, but	2370.3459
2335		2370.4727	I just wanted to know do you have a picture.	2371.5271
2337		2372.0509	Cause we need to	2372.7283
2339		2373.0619	put your package together. But then y'all can go finish	2374.7636
2341		2375.3074	boohoo crying	2375.8646
2343		2376.1082	over there.	2376.5175
2344	DCB_int_01	2377.5404	So you dealt with the families of nine eleven?	2379.6231
2345	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2380.1430	[Of every-] everything/	2381.0505
2346	DCB_int_01	2380.2097	[Like-]	2380.4499
2347	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2381.8279	Yeah.	2382.2283
2349		2383.5171	Everything.	2383.9557
2350	DCB_int_01	2386.1596	Wow. (whispered)	2386.4796
2352		2387.2407	Y- so, clearly I'm not the one, I would not last in that [environment. Clearly]	2391.1286
2353	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2389.9408	[<laugh>]	2390.9251
2354	DCB_int_01	2391.5390	I'm not th- that's not [a job for me.]	2393.3092
2355	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2392.4933	[Yeah.]	2393.0805
2356	DCB_int_01	2394.2258	Um, so let me-	2395.1868
2358		2395.3803	let me	2395.7473
2360		2396.2144	ask about something else. So do you consider yourself a DC girl?	2399.7178
2362		2399.9180	Like,	2400.1954
2364		2401.6606	even before you left and you didn't- Do you consider yourself like,	2404.2197
2366		2404.6034	DC girl? Like, love DC culture, a DC [girl.]	2407.2051
2367	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2404.9704	<ts>	2405.0205
2369		2406.8331	[Definitely] love DC culture.	2408.5414
2370		2409.0452	Even though I was like,	2410.5100
2372		2410.9004	ugh, no	2411.7746
2374		2411.9614	for a while. (laughing)	2412.7063
2376		2413.2535	Um, but definitely. I mean, cause even when I was away,	2416.2230
2378		2416.5133	where you from? DC.	2417.4542
2380		2417.9756	Proudly.	2418.6562
2382		2419.1534	Come back home and was like, <sigh> I need /unintelligible/	2421.2821
2384		2421.5491	or whatever, so it was just (laughing)	2422.9104
2386		2423.3775	so-	2424.0215
2388		2424.4118	Yeah.	2424.8012
2389	DCB_int_01	2425.3135	Did you go to- did you listen to go go music?	2426.9415
2390	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2427.1487	Mm-hm.	2427.4356
2391	DCB_int_01	2427.7960	What's your favorite- [did you have a] favorite band?	2429.3942
2392	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2428.4032	[I hate-]	2428.8072
2394		2429.3808	No.	2429.7612
2395		2430.6629	First of all, I can only listen to go go music for five minutes, and that's how long the song should be.	2434.6268
2396	DCB_int_01	2435.1557	<laugh>	2435.7208
2397	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2435.9080	No longer than five minutes.	2437.0566
2399		2437.7173	Okay, I would be like,	2438.7746
2401		2439.2388	I'm tired.	2439.9561
2403		2440.4599	Okay this has been gym	2441.8012
2405		2442.3960	time, so. (laughing)	2443.3035
2407		2443.8274	I like- I don't like today's go go.	2445.5157
2409		2446.0429	I don't listen to today's go go at all,	2447.6611
2411		2448.0381	unless it's like,	2448.7030
2413		2449.1033	Rare Essence,	2449.9775
2415		2450.4446	um,	2450.9752
2417		2451.9728	Groovers. Groovers to me is still	2453.8528
2419		2455.0099	a newer-	2455.6839
2421		2456.5948	Cause Rare Essence and	2458.1530
2423		2458.5834	EU,	2459.1840
2425		2459.7912	and who else?	2460.7797
2427		2461.2835	I'm missing one.	2462.0348
2428	DCB_int_01	2462.1477	Backyard.	2462.9730
2429	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2463.3956	Backyard, Rare Essence, EU,	2464.9471
2431		2465.4609	there's [one more.]	2466.0515
2432	DCB_int_01	2465.6878	[North-] Northeast?	2466.6821
2433	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2468.4113	That's Groovers.	2469.1551
2434	DCB_int_01	2469.9127	Oh you said Groovers, you [said Groovers.]	2471.3408
2435	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2470.7602	[Um,]	2471.1806
2436		2471.6111	Those three are like,	2472.7764
2438		2473.2301	the original	2474.0643
2440		2474.5648	battle bands to me.	2475.5557
2442		2476.0929	And then Groovers came	2477.4643
2444		2477.7712	right after, and then all these	2478.9332
2446		2479.3936	other ones and I'm like, I c- I quit.	2481.1487
2448		2481.6191	But, um,	2482.5167
2450		2482.7302	<ts>	2482.7969
2452		2483.4509	yeah, I like Pleasure, the all girl band	2485.7606
2454		2486.3946	when they was around.	2487.2721
2456		2487.6291	You remember Pleasure?	2488.3432
2457	DCB_int_01	2488.5067	Mm-mm.	2488.9204
2458	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2489.1740	Remember when- Yes cause they went on to tour with Salt-n-Pepa, they became Salt-n-Pepa's all-girl band.	2493.5224
2459	DCB_int_01	2494.2130	Mm-mm.	2495.0238
2461		2495.7312	Okay, I'm sor- I'm'a look- you know what, I'm gonna go back to my desk, I'm'a look 'em up.	2498.9885
2462	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2499.2054	Pleasure was DC's all-girl band. Oh my god,	2503.0032
2464		2503.5471	they was some trail blazers. Then another girl band came out, we was like, sit down.	2506.9704
2466		2507.3742	Pleasure was	2508.1749
2468		2508.5662	the all-girl band.	2509.3169
2470		2509.7440	And then they went on to- um,	2511.3088
2472		2511.7593	Salt-n-Pepa picked them up.	2512.8352
2474		2513.1806	And you know the, um,	2514.0482
2476		2514.4927	Shake Your Thang, that was EU.	2516.0810
2478		2516.3712	Um,	2516.9451
2480		2517.1620	<ts>	2517.2588
2482		2517.7826	<sigh> Express Yourself	2519.1773
2483	DCB_int_01	2519.2507	[Mm-hm.]	2519.6444
2484	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2519.4909	[by] Salt-n-Pepa, that's Pleasure.	2520.7016
2485	DCB_int_01	2520.9065	Okay.	2521.2568
2486	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2521.2335	That's what I say, we got a all-girl band, that's-	2522.7650
2487		2523.1387	that's Pleasure and- playing for them. And, um, <ts>	2525.2040
2489		2525.5410	it was another	2526.4452
2491		2526.9065	song, but they went on to be with Salt-n-Pepa.	2528.4502
2493		2529.4089	Um, and then they broke up.	2530.4528
2495		2531.6478	But- um,	2532.4027
2497		2532.7263	so Pleasure.	2533.4136
2499		2533.9809	And- but today's go go? Mm-mm.	2535.4590
2501		2536.4766	No, who did Work the Walls? Was that Rare Essence?	2538.4652
2503		2540.7416	<ts> [Anyway.]	2541.1296
2504	DCB_int_01	2540.8450	[I'm not a] go go connis- Did you go to go gos?	2542.7135
2505	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2542.8570	Oh yeah, I did.	2543.7879
2507		2544.1683	My mother stopped letting me go, though.	2545.2902
2508	DCB_int_01	2545.8641	She stopped?	2546.3279
2509	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2546.9885	I was getting in trouble, so	2547.9528
2511		2548.2230	[I couldn't go.]	2548.6564
2512	DCB_int_01	2548.2297	[You were getting] in trouble?	2549.0697
2513	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2549.2674	Yeah, I couldn't go no more. [<laugh>]	2550.8164
2514	DCB_int_01	2550.7063	[Wow.] Did [you-]	2551.7707
2515	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2551.5004	[<sigh>]	2551.8808
2516	DCB_int_01	2552.0576	did you- you repped your neighborhood?	2553.3222
2517	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2553.6458	<ts>	2553.7392
2519		2553.9628	No,	2554.1930
2521		2554.4599	not really.	2554.8503
2522	DCB_int_01	2554.9838	Oh.	2555.1673
2524		2555.2440	Cause you had a lot [of neighborhoods.]	2556.5762
2525	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2555.7287	[I was- yeah, I was like everywhere.]	2556.9220
2526	DCB_int_01	2557.2101	Right.	2557.4537
2527	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2557.4203	Everybody knew our family, like all over.	2559.4790
2528		2559.7426	So we were like, everywhere.	2560.6435
2530		2561.1706	I didn't really get into like, rep- I couldn't. I mean,	2563.0166
2532		2563.3870	/What I'm'a do/ Simple City, Simple City and Eastgate beef, but I be around both areas (laughing)	2566.8236
2534		2567.1640	all the [time, so.]	2568.0114
2535	DCB_int_01	2567.3742	[Mm.]	2568.3017
2536		2568.9932	What- um,	2569.7973
2538		2570.0709	what- um,	2571.0416
2540		2572.3398	did you eat mumbo sauce?	2573.1907
2541	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2573.5343	<ts>	2573.6010
2543		2573.7979	Yeah.	2574.3251
2545		2574.4360	Do I eat mumbo sauce	2575.6005
2546	DCB_int_01	2575.6205	Oh, currently.	2576.1977
2547	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2576.3045	is a better question, yeah. <laugh>	2577.5958
2548	DCB_int_01	2577.5691	Where do you get your mumbo sauce from?	2578.7169
2549	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2578.6234	<ts>	2578.6868
2550		2579.0071	Oh my gosh, so now mumbo sauce, it used to be just a DC thing, but Chicago will argue.	2582.9351
2552		2583.3422	But it used to be just a DC thing.	2584.9471
2554		2585.1072	<ts>	2585.1673
2556		2585.3675	Um,	2586.0181
2558		2586.8798	but	2587.2768
2560		2587.7907	it definitely branched out into PG	2589.3655
2562		2589.9528	even way back	2590.6034
2564		2590.8537	when I was a little kid.	2591.7579
2566		2592.1925	But now, Waldorf	2593.2335
2568		2594.0553	/comes to me,/ everything's right there.	2595.2910
2570		2595.9528	Um,	2596.5133
2572		2596.8303	Saint Mary's by far does not have mumbo sauce.	2599.5104
2574		2599.9709	Okay, [they-]	2600.5229
2575	DCB_int_01	2600.3145	[Okay], mm.	2600.9018
2576	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2600.8617	I asked them for mumbo sauce, they gave me ketchup.	2602.3364
2577	DCB_int_01	2605.5905	I'm sorry that you had to experience that traumatic [experience.]	2607.8760
2578	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2607.7226	[I] looked at it, I said this pretty dark.	2609.1940
2579		2610.0448	<laugh> I was like, mm I don't need ketchup.	2611.9875
2581		2612.6782	So yeah, they- they don't know about it. So I would say,	2614.5734
2583		2614.8703	Charles County is the furthest.	2616.5577
2585		2617.3336	Baltimore,	2618.3212
2587		2618.9084	they don't really know what you're talking about.	2619.8551
2589		2620.5200	Um,	2621.0338
2591		2621.3008	we don't claim Baltimore by the way.	2622.4670
2593		2622.8765	You know that	2623.2735
2595		2623.5071	about us?	2623.8974
2596	DCB_int_01	2624.7049	DC doesn't claim Baltimore? What you mean?	2626.0495
2597	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2625.9928	Oh, Maryland, like PG County.	2627.8012
2598		2628.6929	All the counties	2629.5972
2600		2630.0109	other than Baltimore don't claim Baltimore.	2632.2731
2601	DCB_int_01	2632.2531	Why not?	2632.6001
2602	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2632.9738	We just don't, it's like we don't even like Bal- (laughing) <laugh>	2635.4670
2604		2635.8307	I don't know, it's a thing. First of all, DC s- like, straight DC does not claim Baltimore at all.	2639.8856
2606		2640.4619	Like it's like, <laugh>	2641.3936
2608		2641.7506	they don't ever get along.	2642.6448
2610		2643.0419	But, um,	2643.7472
2612		2644.4866	<ts> I don't know, it's just a thing, like we like, mm-mm.	2646.6654
2614		2647.1868	People like,	2647.6005
2616		2647.8040	Baltimore, Maryland, no just Baltimore, Baltimore, we don't claim the	2650.2731
2618		2650.5700	step children (laughing) <laugh>	2651.5577
2620		2652.3151	at all.	2653.0032
2621	DCB_int_01	2652.9999	I know. (whispered)	2653.5504
2622	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2653.8941	Mm-hm.	2654.4513
2624		2654.9051	<ts>	2654.9952
2626		2655.4356	So yeah, definitely eat mumbo sauce.	2656.7369
2627	DCB_int_01	2657.3541	<ts>	2657.4542
2629		2657.8346	Um,	2658.7613
2631		2659.3636	let me talk about- So, even here, right, this neighborhood where you've grown up	2662.8370
2633		2663.2274	we see condos across the street. [Shrimp Boat is not] Shrimp Boat, it's	2667.5292
2634	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2665.5972	[Mm-hm.]	2666.2531
2635	DCB_int_01	2667.7626	Shrimp Boat	2668.3632
2637		2668.5100	Center, or whatever it's called.	2669.6580
2639		2670.3051	Let's talk about gentrification.	2671.7440
2640	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2671.7973	<ts>	2671.8708
2642		2672.4580	So I often wonder, I'm like, are they like-	2675.7345
2644		2676.0448	are- are they like,	2676.9098
2646		2677.6238	shipping people to another planet? Like, what are we doing with the people?	2680.5467
2648		2681.1640	<ts>	2681.2274
2650		2681.3174	Cause even where I grew up on Seventh	2682.9532
2652		2683.4237	well in Capers is the- the-	2684.7249
2654		2684.9218	the, um, projects.	2685.9027
2656		2686.2597	Those are not there	2687.0872
2658		2687.2474	anymore.	2687.7312
2660		2688.2458	They're torn down, so you know- you- you know where Seventh in Capers is?	2690.8550
2662		2691.4056	Seventh and Arthur Street. So,	2692.4766
2664		2692.9905	[if y-]	2693.2774
2665	DCB_int_01	2692.9938	[I think so.]	2693.4311
2666	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2693.6678	if you're going down-	2694.6254
2668		2695.0233	if you gonna go to, um,	2696.4513
2670		2697.1487	the wharf for example, where it used to be Phillips,	2699.4242
2672		2700.1658	<sigh>	2700.5795
2674		2700.8064	you- you can go that way	2702.1610
2676		2702.3512	to get there.	2702.7783
2678		2703.3489	Um,	2703.8894
2680		2704.7202	<ts> that's not there anymore.	2705.5043
2682		2706.0515	There all these nice little	2707.2101
2684		2707.6305	high rises. But my question is	2709.4923
2686		2709.9394	Where'd you- where you put the people?	2711.4409
2688		2712.2725	Because all those are rentals.	2713.7139
2690		2714.2878	Like those the- they're not like- you can like, pay them, you know,	2716.8203
2692		2717.4209	to be like,	2717.8688
2694		2718.1391	let me pay these people for their-	2719.5638
2696		2719.7340	for their property, cause that's what they	2721.2588
2698		2721.5424	usually do with the houses, but.	2722.8570
2700		2723.9981	People are renting there.	2725.0901
2702		2725.6238	S- and most of 'em on fixed,	2726.7479
2704		2726.9852	you know, income and- and government	2728.3865
2706		2728.7569	support, so.	2729.4275
2708		2729.9622	<ts> I'm like, what are you doing with the people? So I guess they're like-	2732.3279
2710		2732.6815	they closing them down and then	2734.1430
2712		2734.5867	go wherever you go, and then people start trying to filter out	2737.0766
2714		2737.5104	wherever.	2737.9942
2716		2738.8617	But,	2739.1553
2718		2739.5624	I often wonder like,	2740.6067
2720		2741.5176	as the,	2742.3051
2722		2743.0633	um,	2743.5838
2724		2744.2278	builders and the government,	2745.7359
2726		2746.3432	mostly,	2746.8103
2728		2747.2974	are making these changes, like what is their plan for the	2750.2978
2730		2750.6982	people? And what is their plan to	2752.3398
2732		2752.7969	save the culture	2753.9981
2734		2754.6195	of this place?	2755.2435
2736		2756.2111	I don't really think	2756.9218
2738		2758.0729	that's a factor to them because it's more about the money.	2760.3551
2740		2760.9599	It's more about making it look	2762.2936
2742		2762.6715	very, uh,	2763.6024
2744		2764.2497	pleasurable on the eye for their investors	2766.6254
2746		2766.9866	that come in,	2767.6572
2748		2768.1243	and the people they have flying in. Like,	2769.4389
2750		2769.5791	The whole National Stadium area is	2771.3386
2752		2771.6378	totally different, you know.	2772.6321
2754		2773.0533	And I'm all for change in terms of making things better and beautifying, beautification projects,	2777.2707
2756		2777.8680	But,	2778.3051
2758		2778.4452	I'm like, at the expense of what?	2779.8174
2760		2780.6682	So that's my-	2781.3288
2762		2782.2597	my question mark.	2783.1640
2763	DCB_int_01	2784.4694	Tell me about going to the Boys and Girls Club when you were younger.	2786.6749
2764	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2787.5724	Um, well, I didn't even know it was a Boys and Girls Club. We talked about that with like, some of the other people. I was like, I'm going to the ARC.	2792.0209
2766		2792.3112	Like (laughing) I didn't even know	2793.3689
2768		2793.8393	that that was the Boys and Girls Club.	2795.3808
2770		2795.7145	Um,	2796.2550
2772		2796.6734	<ts>	2796.7623
2774		2796.8398	I-	2797.1434
2776		2797.4570	we were just kids playing, it was somewhere to go.	2800.0629
2778		2800.5200	You know, you go down Minnesota,	2802.8698
2780		2803.1167	and you	2803.7640
2782		2804.2545	get your sour pickle, you get your steak and cheese and your-	2807.4943
2784		2807.9455	and your, um, fried rice,	2809.8607
2786		2810.3779	and you eat that while you walking on the way	2812.2864
2788		2812.7769	down there.	2813.4609
2790		2813.9981	And you just-	2814.9732
2792		2815.2502	It was just like a big social	2817.0586
2794		2817.5624	whatever but you felt very safe.	2819.1273
2796		2819.7679	Extremely safe.	2820.8431
2798		2821.5571	But I would also have to say I felt more safe	2823.8527
2800		2824.8637	in the city than I did	2826.0815
2802		2826.6129	going	2827.1702
2804		2827.5104	to the	2827.8441
2806		2828.1977	suburban places. I don't know why, but	2830.0896
2808		2830.5133	I did.	2830.9171
2810		2831.2707	I felt way more safe. It was noise, it was people all the time,	2833.8341
2812		2834.4747	you know.	2834.7750
2814		2835.2588	That's off track.	2835.7192
2816		2835.9661	But	2836.1797
2818		2836.6601	the Boys and Girls- (laughing) I'll get- I'll go back to that.	2838.4948
2820		2839.2301	The Boys and Girls Club then it was just	2841.2521
2822		2842.0696	<ts>	2842.1229
2824		2842.2464	so welcoming. So,	2843.4476
2826		2843.7011	now that I'm here,	2844.6662
2828		2845.2034	it makes so much more sense	2846.7750
2830		2847.2721	why it was so open.	2848.9437
2832		2849.4409	And, you know, it was more, um-	2851.3035
2834		2851.7106	All the DC and- and PG clubs	2853.5124
2836		2854.0295	are	2854.6134
2838		2855.0505	grant funded pretty much.	2856.2750
2840		2856.6329	Whereas like,	2857.4082
2842		2857.7907	Virginia is probably program funded cause the parents have the money to really pay,	2861.7879
2844		2862.5862	you know, a- a- um, membership.	2864.4580
2846		2865.0119	Whereas we do not.	2865.8894
2848		2866.4666	Um, but because of that,	2868.0548
2850		2868.4260	there was no strings. I can only imagine if I was that age going to	2871.7159
2852		2872.1430	clubs that were program funded. It's like, excuse me,	2873.9414
2854		2874.3318	do you have a-	2874.9432
2856		2875.2168	What are you doing here?	2875.9288
2858		2876.2011	And, you know, cause they have to, cause you got people paying to be here.	2878.6435
2860		2879.0405	Whereas,	2879.6312
2862		2880.2158	the club was just- it was like open arms.	2882.0776
2864		2882.2845	I [mean,]	2882.8350
2865	DCB_int_01	2882.4480	[Mm.]	2882.8284
2866	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2883.6458	it was very	2884.7903
2868		2885.0772	welcome. Even to the point I didn't even know	2886.5920
2870		2887.0399	that- <laugh> /but/ I don't think they did branding very well	2888.8450
2872		2889.2087	back then. (laughing)	2889.6625
2874		2889.8560	But I didn't even know.	2890.8403
2876		2891.2007	I thought,	2891.6578
2878		2891.9189	we going to the ARC.	2892.5928
2880		2893.0433	That's what it was, it was the ARC,	2893.9175
2882		2894.1510	period.	2894.5114
2884		2895.2354	So when I interviewed,	2896.5100
2886		2896.9604	and we talked about it, even then, I said	2898.9465
2888		2899.1234	<ts>	2899.1868
2890		2899.8207	I was about	2900.4747
2892		2901.1653	probably my mid-twenties, and that's when I-	2902.6401
2894		2902.9504	I went back there for something.	2904.4761
2896		2904.8831	And, um,	2905.4503
2898		2905.6639	<ts> I remember saying-	2906.4480
2900		2906.9351	And at that time I was like,	2907.8026
2902		2908.2097	oh, Boys and Girls Club took over? <laugh> Been here the whole time.	2911.5771
2904		2912.0276	Uh, but I was telling, uh,	2913.1754
2906		2913.6358	/RD-NAME-3/ I was like, yeah,	2914.6134
2908		2914.8069	<ts>	2914.8770
2910		2915.5276	that's when I first realized it was the Boys and Girls Club.	2917.1567
2912		2917.9175	All that time.	2918.4246
2913	DCB_int_01	2918.7950	And didn't even know it.	2919.6492
2914	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2919.7793	Nope.	2920.0529
2916		2920.7402	Didn't know it,	2921.3875
2918		2921.6086	And then it's a pros and cons to that. You know, con is, oh,	2923.9809
2920		2924.2144	you not branding well but that's the business side.	2926.0264
2922		2926.3632	But as a kid,	2927.0605
2924		2927.5944	you didn't know it because	2928.5995
2926		2928.7797	there was no stipulations. There was-	2930.3612
2928		2930.6015	It was very open and free and	2932.0729
2930		2932.4833	you felt very welcome. It wasn't like-	2934.0548
2932		2935.0900	<sigh> it wasn't controlling environments where a kid can really be a kid, basically.	2938.9070
2933	DCB_int_01	2939.2941	Hm.	2939.6478
2935		2940.2358	But go back to this idea of feeling safe, because that's so funny. L- like you felt safer in the city? [Like,]	2944.5067
2936	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2944.4166	[I] did. [<laugh>]	2945.4643
2937	DCB_int_01	2945.3108	[Cause] the s-	2945.5841
2938		2945.8146	the statistics will tell you [otherwise.] Every- every article, every report, [every census] bureau, the	2951.1373
2939	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2947.0809	[<ts>]	2947.2015
2941		2949.9661	[Yeah.]	2950.4248
2942	DCB_int_01	2951.3541	piece information you pull is	2952.6362
2944		2953.1134	very much	2953.7894
2946		2953.9875	saying something [different.]	2954.9351
2947	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	2954.7483	[Well, I] guess me working in	2956.4499
2948		2956.9104	government	2957.4709
2950		2957.6544	my entire life and working	2959.0967
2952		2959.5338	around sensitive information, I often	2961.7793
2954		2962.1096	would not-	2962.6768
2956		2963.7212	I don't believe	2964.5292
2958		2964.8965	what's put out in census and what's put out in statistics because	2968.1196
2960		2969.4142	it's man made. So I don't-	2970.5194
2962		2970.8598	Half the stuff is put out for a reason.	2972.3512
2964		2972.9885	Um, /?/	2973.8026
2966		2974.2998	it's- there's always an agenda.	2975.5105
2968		2975.7387	I wouldn't be surprised that's say that so people would be more-	2978.1310
2970		2978.7316	more comfortable to move so we can build up.	2980.1330
2972		2980.8571	Whatever.	2981.1841
2974		2981.3643	But, um,	2981.8280
2976		2982.6755	uh,	2983.1360
2978		2983.3061	I felt more safe.	2984.2871
2980		2985.1110	The statistics in my family (laughing) from real people with their mouth,	2988.4476
2982		2988.9322	they felt more safe in the city.	2990.1667
2984		2990.6739	When I moved to Waldorf where,	2992.4923
2986		2993.0529	you know, for my kids,	2994.0146
2988		2994.2081	um,	2994.5518
2990		2994.7353	in theory	2995.3559
2992		2995.5728	it's safer,	2996.2868
2994		2996.5304	Late at night,	2997.0643
2996		2997.5914	I'm constantly looking out the window,	2998.9161
2998		2999.3240	checking the door.	3000.0680
3000		3000.4751	Cause I don't hear anything, it's so quiet. I'm like, what's going on? (whispered)	3002.7647
3002		3003.1610	What's going on around here? You know, (laughing) it's [so quiet] and	3005.4165
3003	DCB_int_01	3004.3222	[Mm.]	3004.8293
3004	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3005.8178	you hear every little thing. In the city,	3007.4994
3006		3008.3903	<ts> it's noisy, it's like-	3009.3178
3008		3009.9818	it's always people around and it's always	3011.8370
3010		3012.0246	just busy, so,	3013.4861
3012		3014.4437	I feel safe. It's like well,	3015.5180
3014		3015.8884	who's gonna break in right here? People walking (laughing) they gonna see it, and	3018.7220
3016		3019.1324	who's gonna do	3019.7864
3018		3020.0366	whatever? You just feel- it- you just felt so much- I guess it's more eyes	3023.1229
3020		3023.5634	on you, [whatever. You kind of] felt more safe.	3025.1024
3021	DCB_int_01	3024.0914	[Mm.]	3024.4867
3022	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3025.3459	Whereas in other- in- Waldorf kind of country and it's quiet and people are in their houses and	3030.0672
3024		3030.6019	somebody could do something, nobody would even see it.	3031.9966
3026		3032.3936	That's kind of what my- my thought pattern was.	3033.9612
3028		3034.5991	But, um,	3035.1830
3030		3035.4132	I would not raise my kids where I l- where I grew up.	3037.6963
3032		3038.1567	So I don't feel that safe.	3038.8687
3034		3039.2845	But I- I /wouldn't/ raise them (laughing)	3040.7726
3036		3041.2063	where I grew up.	3041.9704
3038		3042.3082	I would be one of those people that would purchase like,	3044.3536
3040		3044.9141	/at the Ritz/	3045.6215
3042		3046.0385	Georgetown, or something like that.	3047.6021
3044		3048.1081	Because once you have children, the mentality is just different. You want better	3051.4146
3046		3051.7683	for them.	3052.0619
3047	DCB_int_01	3052.0185	But even if you've seen the city changing, right, that area- So, where you've grown up,	3055.7730
3048		3055.9665	I [mean, it's happening.] It's [happening.] The developers are moving.	3058.6686
3049	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3056.2168	[Mm-hm.]	3056.5404
3051		3057.4046	[Mm-hm.]	3057.7116
3052		3058.7259	Mm-hm.	3059.0228
3053	DCB_int_01	3059.0729	So that area's changing very [quickly. So you] still wouldn't-	3061.5328
3054	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3060.3850	[Mm-hm.]	3060.7220
3055	DCB_int_01	3061.7496	you wouldn't	3062.3135
3057		3062.5071	purchase there?	3063.0404
3058	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3063.5481	No, not until a hundred percent of the area is changing. Because if you notice, so,	3066.6319
3060		3067.0390	they've changed- they're putting new condos over here,	3069.1977
3062		3069.3946	but you still got all this going on up the street right here.	3071.0896
3064		3072.1247	So- where you think- the people where you taking their jobs,	3074.5704
3066		3075.1777	where you think they gonna come rob from?	3076.7092
3068		3077.7877	So they're- wa- it's a d- it's a walk away.	3079.7430
3070		3080.6405	So no.	3080.9819
3072		3081.5447	I think it	3082.0185
3074		3082.5424	creates more havoc because	3084.1347
3076		3084.5552	you literally putting the candy	3086.0466
3078		3086.4737	in front of the kids	3087.5614
3080		3087.9118	right on the counter.	3088.6691
3082		3089.0495	It's like r- literally around the corner.	3091.0890
3084		3091.5895	So this almost goes back to	3093.2044
3086		3093.8717	when my mom moved to Fort Washington, Potomac, you know, it was really estate-y type,	3096.8154
3088		3097.4293	um, complex.	3098.4805
3090		3099.0910	You go into the- you don't even think that it's	3100.5924
3092		3100.7659	where she is cause it's so rich-y and stuff, like.	3103.8297
3094		3104.7840	Soon as you turn out the neighborhood and go left or right,	3107.0829
3096		3107.6910	<ts>	3107.7911
3098		3108.5418	what's over there?	3109.1711
3100		3109.8431	What is that neighborhood? Glass Manor	3111.3445
3102		3111.8851	is right there.	3112.8960
3104		3113.3064	Um,	3113.9404
3106		3114.5385	this little,	3115.3059
3108		3116.1000	uh, hood neighborhoods right here. It's like literally within walking distance. So I say that to say,	3119.9237
3110		3120.5385	a lot of the houses,	3121.4861
3112		3121.9131	thank god not hers, have always getting breaking- broken into.	3124.2421
3114		3125.2831	All the time.	3125.9637
3116		3126.3416	Cause it's like you	3127.2225
3118		3127.7363	put these- you build up these nice rich neighborhood with these affluent people	3131.2764
3120		3131.7035	are gonna be there	3132.3007
3122		3132.9022	but you-	3133.4393
3124		3133.6529	you leave the surrounding areas the same and then take their jobs.	3137.0695
3126		3137.5033	How they gonna survive?	3138.2507
3128		3140.6172	So,	3140.8998
3130		3141.3045	no I wouldn't.	3141.9218
3132		3142.9261	I'm just not that stupid.	3143.6776
3134		3144.2515	I'd rather be in a place where everybody	3145.9899
3136		3146.4937	is pretty [much]	3147.0809
3137	DCB_int_01	3146.9742	[Mm.]	3147.3675
3138	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3147.5581	the [same.]	3148.1320
3139	DCB_int_01	3147.8617	[that makes] sense.	3148.6024
3140	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3148.5991	They're- they- they don't need to steal from you. They're working class people.	3152.1033
3141		3152.5871	They'll- they- No.	3153.3178
3143		3154.1453	So like you not gonna go to the Hamptons and have that problem.	3156.0572
3145		3156.5752	The Hamptons,	3157.1157
3147		3157.2925	everything is- <laugh>	3157.9365
3149		3158.4937	Yeah, there's a certain class that's over there.	3160.2588
3150	DCB_int_01	3160.9361	Do you think it's a class issue or a race issue?	3162.7754
3151	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3163.2592	Uh, both.	3163.7671
3153		3164.8407	I think it's both.	3165.3245
3154	DCB_int_01	3165.3979	Why?	3165.6859
3155	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3166.5123	Um,	3166.9561
3157		3167.2430	cause both of them like, kind of coexist	3169.2525
3159		3169.4093	together.	3169.8764
3161		3170.2601	Some of the classes think that only a particular race	3172.6558
3163		3172.8860	can be one thing and vice versa.	3174.5451
3165		3175.0356	Um,	3175.5294
3167		3175.8931	I think when it comes to	3177.4546
3169		3177.8617	the race issue,	3178.9628
3171		3179.5267	the stereotype is that all white people are racist.	3181.9632
3173		3182.4437	That's a stereotype which is	3183.6849
3175		3184.2454	not true. I was just having this conversation with my ten year old	3186.3917
3177		3186.8855	last night.	3187.4127
3179		3187.7930	And these are the conversations my kids have.	3189.2204
3181		3189.6782	Kind of like	3190.0352
3183		3190.2254	me growing up.	3190.8560
3185		3191.3031	Um,	3191.7369
3187		3192.1714	<ts> the stereotype is that	3193.2492
3189		3194.1667	all white people are racist, all black people are thugs and	3197.5700
3191		3198.0313	angry and	3198.9756
3193		3199.2291	violent.	3199.8998
3195		3200.5204	Um,	3201.2378
3197		3201.6115	and then you have inter racism, you have	3203.8403
3199		3204.4284	race on race racism, you got black people that are,	3207.0643
3201		3207.5481	you too dark,	3208.2731
3203		3208.5891	you too light,	3209.3424
3205		3209.5567	you too this.	3210.2081
3207		3210.6786	That's the issue. And then it's- for- for my family it's on both. It's like it's Spanish people,	3214.7893
3209		3215.2631	all the Dominicans	3216.3564
3211		3216.6286	who-	3217.0423
3213		3217.2859	I always gotta constantly tell some of	3218.8807
3215		3219.3212	my cousins	3220.3385
3217		3220.9528	who are like in DR.	3222.1339
3219		3222.4217	<ts>	3222.4784
3221		3222.7787	Um,	3223.3126
3223		3223.8130	some are much older,	3224.8674
3225		3225.1010	like a older	3225.6615
3227		3225.8617	group. Because they went through so much their mentality is so warped.	3228.0482
3229		3228.4350	I'm like, let me explain to you, you are a black person who speaks Spanish, okay? Your oppressor	3232.5590
3231		3233.4841	raped our people and that's why you speak Spanish, kay?	3235.9932
3233		3236.7439	Learn your history.	3237.4580
3235		3238.1453	Don't think you	3238.9294
3237		3239.4966	not black. Spanish is a culture,	3241.1858
3239		3241.9732	okay?	3242.3652
3241		3242.7039	Latino is a culture, not a race.	3244.4156
3243		3244.7726	<laugh> So,	3245.2597
3245		3245.7669	I'm like,	3246.1206
3247		3246.3917	you are black	3247.2024
3249		3247.4060	and you speak Spanish.	3248.2068
3251		3248.5004	Like, that's it.	3248.9542
3253		3249.5481	Um, they wanna try to separate themselves like,	3251.7210
3255		3251.9746	oh no we-	3252.6119
3257		3252.9555	we're not black, we Spanish.	3254.2201
3259		3254.6739	<ts>	3254.7540
3261		3254.9477	We need to /DNA/ on you?	3255.8848
3263		3256.3255	You need DNA?	3256.8293
3265		3257.5033	Like,	3257.7936
3267		3258.3316	where you think you get your melanin from?	3259.5661
3269		3260.2835	Where you think you get it from? Like,	3261.2211
3271		3261.6815	you	3261.9685
3273		3262.1119	are	3262.3689
3275		3262.5390	African.	3262.9795
3277		3263.1730	Okay? (laughing)	3263.7569
3279		3264.4817	So, um,	3265.4026
3281		3265.9966	<ts> that whole thing.	3266.9575
3283		3267.2878	So I think- And then you have those classes there.	3269.3231
3285		3269.8678	You know you got like,	3270.5151
3287		3270.8988	oh, well you dark, so	3272.8874
3289		3273.2845	you not from here. It's like, I wouldn't be considered dark in DR.	3275.4933
3291		3275.9412	But like,	3276.3817
3293		3277.2325	<ts>	3277.3025
3295		3278.4837	I don't know who here.	3279.2778
3297		3279.7950	You would be borderline.	3280.7926
3299		3281.3932	I'm trying to think who here.	3282.4987
3301		3283.2125	/I don't know./	3283.6262
3303		3284.6639	/RD-NAME-2/ for example.	3285.6014
3304	DCB_int_01	3285.9017	Mm-hm.	3286.1937
3305	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3286.1854	He could be like,	3286.9528
3306		3287.7769	as Dominican as they come <laugh>	3289.2392
3308		3289.6662	and he would be considered,	3290.6138
3310		3291.0876	oh, he's dark.	3292.0752
3312		3292.5991	And you have like,	3293.2797
3314		3293.8370	the	3294.5109
3316		3295.0256	Jessica Alba looking Dominicans, white looking Dominicans and they're like- they're like they're better.	3298.4690
3318		3299.1596	[And it's like,]	3299.5967
3319	DCB_int_01	3299.1730	[Mm.]	3299.4599
3320	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3300.0680	<ts>	3300.1781
3322		3300.6986	No.	3301.0289
3324		3301.5795	Your skin literally does not make- (laughing)	3303.0876
3326		3303.6115	You don't come off smarter,	3304.6425
3328		3304.9227	you don't come off brighter, you don't come off dumber,	3306.5121
3330		3307.2425	you know.	3307.6128
3332		3308.1400	So- um,	3309.0976
3334		3309.4880	<ts>	3309.5581
3336		3309.6915	but- I'm- I'm off track but,	3310.9694
3338		3311.2430	I think that the two coexist.	3312.6452
3340		3313.0189	The racism,	3313.7063
3342		3314.0733	and the classism, I think they both	3315.8306
3344		3316.0419	coexist.	3316.7092
3346		3317.2797	And	3317.8303
3348		3318.1714	it is all about the upbringing, you know.	3319.9665
3350		3320.3869	Some of the white people that think they're better is because they was taught they were better. Now that could be a good and a bad thing.	3323.9738
3352		3324.6085	If we taught our kids they was better,	3326.3035
3354		3328.3922	you know, look at- look at how much of a difference that could make.	3330.4617
3355	DCB_int_01	3330.5652	Mm.	3330.8888
3356	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3331.2959	So,	3331.6796
3358		3331.8431	they was taught	3332.6806
3360		3332.9708	that they were better,	3333.7883
3362		3334.1887	now there's a way you teach- You don't teach your kids you're better and these people are nothing.	3337.5379
3364		3337.7930	That's where the-	3338.4403
3366		3338.6238	the break down is.	3339.5180
3368		3339.9451	But	3340.1520
3370		3340.3789	if we taught our kids	3341.6743
3372		3342.1014	to be better,	3342.7854
3374		3343.1424	and that they are better than,	3344.4937
3376		3344.9175	not better than someone but better than	3346.6291
3378		3347.0362	your stereotypes, better than	3348.6419
3380		3348.8755	your environment, better than your neighborhood, better than,	3351.4780
3382		3352.0752	you know, all these things around you. You are better.	3354.1372
3384		3354.9922	It can- they would go so much further. That's how- what I was taught growing up.	3357.5214
3386		3358.1420	So.	3358.4690
3387	DCB_int_01	3358.7826	And that's why you had conversations about the stock market.	3360.5952
3388	DCB_se3_ag3_f_02	3361.0223	Yes, exactly.	3362.0967