Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DCB_int_01	0.5051	Perfect.	1.0787
3		1.5823	And what's your birthday?	2.4496
4	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2.9800	September eighth,	3.8939
6		4.6167	nineteen eighty two.	5.5679
7	DCB_int_01	8.1978	And where do you consider your home town? Where were you born?	10.7053
8	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	11.6751	I was born	12.3419
10		12.6404	um, on Scott Air Force Base in St. Louis-	15.3309
12		15.9172	Well in Illinois.	16.8871
14		17.4280	It wasn't really St. Louis.	18.3233
16		18.4352	But we m-	18.7709
18		18.9714	I lived in St. Louis,	19.9413
20		20.1838	um, when I was- after I was born there.	21.6514
22		21.8613	<sniff>	22.0898
23	DCB_int_01	22.5747	Um, and then when'd you move to DC?	24.2580
25		25.0880	Or, move to the area?	26.1838
26	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	26.4309	I moved um, to the area	28.4563
28		29.6612	when I was three	30.4818
30		30.8688	[so]	31.3072
31	DCB_int_01	30.8735	[Mm.]	31.0414
32	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	32.0625	nineteen eighty five.	33.0478
33	DCB_int_01	38.3785	And what neighborhoods do you claim,	40.2203
35		40.9291	not just currently but	42.1228
37		42.3839	around the area?	43.2792
38	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	44.2631	I grew up in Forestville, Maryland,	45.9126
40		46.1737	which is sometimes called District Heights, Maryland,	47.8290
42		49.6849	and um,	50.4962
44		50.6303	I went to school in	51.7214
46		52.1271	Northeast	52.7565
48		53.7218	as a kid	54.4119
50		54.6450	um, when we first moved here.	56.1931
52		56.2864	Then I went to schools in uh, Maryland, but	58.0898
54		59.1016	now I live	59.7171
56		59.9129	back in Northeast	60.8082
58		60.9621	in uh, Lincoln Heights.	62.1232
60		63.2598	So Forestville and Lincoln Heights are where I-	65.4793
62		66.7663	where I've resided.	67.6802
63	DCB_int_01	68.4729	You don't live far from here.	69.5155
64	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	69.8939	No.	70.0758
66		70.6400	I-	70.8405
67	DCB_int_01	71.0830	Like down the street.	72.2067
68	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	72.2067	Three minutes, [like-]	73.0507
69	DCB_int_01	72.7429	[<laugh>]	73.3724
70	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	73.4237	[<laugh>]	74.4402
71	DCB_int_01	73.9460	[Okay.]	74.4729
72		74.7806	I didn't-	75.2189
74		75.4929	I knew you said you lived in Northea- I didn't even make that connection.	78.0015
75	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	78.0715	Mm-hm.	78.3419
76	DCB_int_01	78.5844	Alright so where'd you go to school?	79.5729
77	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	80.1511	<ts>	80.2118
79		80.3283	So I went to school-	81.2737
81		81.8100	Uh, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School	83.5073
83		83.8383	in Walker Mill.	84.6124
85		85.3351	Um,	85.7455
87		86.3050	before that I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/	88.0898
89		88.5327	[um,]	89.0783
90	DCB_int_01	88.5374	[Mm.]	88.8078
91	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	89.6985	in Lincoln Heights	90.4678
93		90.7709	when we first moved here.	91.8201
95		92.4624	And that was like my pre K three,	94.3835
97		94.6027	pre K four	95.2695
99		95.7124	days.	96.0249
101		96.7056	My mom is a DC-	97.5403
103		97.6382	DC teacher, so she taught there, and we went to school there.	99.8753
105		100.1364	But	100.2949
107		101.0177	after /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School,	102.4445
109		102.8036	graduated from there and went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ Middle School	105.3029
111		105.9965	in Upper Marlboro,	106.8685
112	DCB_int_01	107.2928	Mm-hm.	107.6332
113	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	108.0762	Maryland.	108.5984
115		108.9761	And then	109.6056
117		109.8947	went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School	110.9858
119		111.7634	in Largo, Maryland.	112.3835
121		114.6264	Then um, /RD-SCHOOL-8/	116.4076
123		117.4976	in Bowie, Maryland. It's where I graduated.	118.9664
124	DCB_int_01	120.6077	And what's your current occupation?	121.8341
125	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	122.4076	I am	123.1816
127		123.4276	the lead pastor of /RD-WORK-5/,	125.5958
129		127.5869	and I am also	128.6454
131		129.1618	the CEO of	130.2809
133		130.7006	/RD-WORK-3/	131.6321
135		132.4445	/RD-WORK-4/	133.1952
137		135.1059	which is a multi media	136.2436
139		136.5187	faith based	137.1995
141		137.5912	uh, company.	138.2627
142	DCB_int_01	141.2924	And what about your parents? Where was your dad and- your mom and dad born?	143.9689
143	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	144.7663	Um, my mom and dad are from Mississippi.	146.5895
145		147.0826	So my father was born	148.3042
147		148.8125	in	149.2555
149		149.4467	uh, Hattiesburg, Mississippi,	150.9994
151		152.3610	and my mother	153.2096
153		153.3017	is from Smith-	154.4861
155		154.6167	Smithville, Mississippi,	155.7451
157		156.4772	the farmlands.	157.2465
158	DCB_int_01	158.0113	Okay, I have no clue [where that is.]	159.9219
159	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	159.1525	[<laugh>]	159.9079
160	DCB_int_01	160.3649	What'd your parents do?	161.3347
161	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	161.8430	So my dad	162.5518
163		162.7569	um,	163.3211
165		163.9273	he was in the Army National Guard.	165.6608
167		167.0223	Um,	167.4047
169		167.5865	so he is now l-	168.4305
171		168.6031	a retired lieutenant colonel.	169.9087
173		171.2971	And my mother	172.0804
175		172.7565	uh, was a DC school teacher, so my mom has worked in DCPS	175.7315
177		176.3843	maybe twenty five years, something like that.	177.9219
178	DCB_int_01	182.3190	So	182.7247
180		183.0359	let's start from the beginning.	184.5794
181	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	184.9198	Alright.	185.2555
182	DCB_int_01	185.6798	You said you	186.3000
184		186.5424	came here when you were about	187.7688
186		187.9973	three	188.5009
187	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	188.6361	[Mm-hn.]	188.9921
188	DCB_int_01	188.8681	[or] so.	189.4474
189	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	189.6328	[Mm-hm.]	189.8613
190	DCB_int_01	189.7913	[And] you were in Northeast.	191.2648
191	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	191.2928	Mm-hm.	191.5586
192	DCB_int_01	191.7031	Um, how did you guys start out in Northeast and then move to Maryland?	194.8459
193	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	195.4929	So	195.9639
195		196.2903	uh, my mom	197.0830
197		197.3161	taught at the	198.1508
199		198.2627	private Christian school called /RD-SCHOOL-6/, which is now	201.1024
201		201.6095	uh,	201.9126
203		202.0198	closed up,	202.6073
205		202.8638	condemned.	203.3907
207		203.7871	Not condemned but it's- it's closed up.	205.3584
209		206.0532	But um,	206.6653
211		206.8308	so my mom working there we were able to go there	208.7519
213		209.5073	um, until we were of age to go to	211.3864
215		211.9087	PG County,	212.5382
217		213.1758	and we moved to Forestville,	214.4348
219		215.1109	um,	215.6705
221		215.8756	started going to school,	217.0181
223		217.6289	<ts>	217.6895
225		217.8574	and uh,	218.7247
227		219.0091	yeah.	219.2796
229		219.7587	We lived in Forestville for most of my life,	221.5399
231		222.3233	and uh,	222.9061
233		223.4424	when I got married,	224.2164
235		224.8273	my wife and I	225.5267
237		225.9405	mo- lived briefly in Upper Marlboro before	228.1694
239		228.7010	um, we moved here to DC.	230.0252
240	DCB_int_01	230.5603	So tell me a little about your neighborhood in Forestville growing up. Was it [a lot] of kids? Did you live in a townhouse? [Apartment?]	236.7433
241	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	234.2533	[Hm.]	234.5005
243		236.3750	[Mm-hm.]	236.7480
244		237.4230	Yeah we lived in a townhouse- uh, townhouse complex.	239.9134
246		240.4352	Um,	241.0787
248		241.7595	had a lot of fun.	242.3843
250		242.9707	You- There were uh- Growing up in the nineties, there were	245.6425
252		245.8570	lot of	246.3513
254		246.4259	you know,	246.8082
256		247.3864	temptations to get pulled in the wrong direction.	249.4836
258		250.0944	Um,	250.7705
260		251.6099	you know, amidst of having fun	253.4377
262		253.9646	we would um, also have to avoid certain things in the a- in the streets that we knew we weren't supposed to be involved in.	259.4004
264		259.9600	And uh,	260.6967
266		261.1292	yeah. It was pretty interesting just kind of	262.8405
268		263.2368	experiencing	264.1974
270		264.9061	the dynamics	265.8760
272		266.2631	of	266.8552
274		267.4276	being middle class black family,	269.3161
276		269.8150	but having this	270.9761
278		271.6522	um,	272.3143
280		273.7773	kind of a	274.6773
282		274.8871	hood mentality	275.8663
284		276.2440	in the neighborhood. It was a unique hybrid	278.1838
286		278.9054	in PG County	279.8519
288		280.4768	um,	281.0923
290		281.9642	especially with the gentrification that started coming to DC.	284.6128
292		285.2085	We started having more elements of what a lot of people normally associated with	288.5891
294		289.1020	Northeast and Southeast	290.0998
296		290.4589	parts of DC	291.3075
298		291.8939	as far as crime and drugs, things like that,	294.0762
300		294.5051	you know, in our- in our community.	296.2071
302		296.3190	So we were exposed to that,	297.6000
304		298.1550	and tryna-	298.7239
306		298.9757	for me as a kid, I was tryna walk the-	300.5285
308		301.3538	walk the straight and narrow cause I- I grew up in a home where we-	303.6748
310		303.9079	we learned about Jesus, learned about God,	305.6425
312		306.1601	but	306.4399
314		306.6077	you know, there were temptations pulling	307.9227
316		308.0672	also.	308.4589
318		308.9800	So you have this	309.9032
320		310.4721	kind of dichotomy going on where it's like, you know, uh,	313.0460
322		313.4564	I know I should do the right thing, but-	315.9359
323	DCB_int_01	316.4395	<laugh>	316.7799
324	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	316.8078	You know.	317.1342
326		317.9549	I could ask forgiveness.	318.9761
328		319.0787	Um, so	319.8760
330		320.1465	just growing up like that, I had to really	321.6000
332		322.2996	make sure that um,	323.6332
334		324.2720	I had a faith of my own in God,	325.8294
336		326.0252	and that's really	326.7014
338		327.2318	one of the strong points in my life that kept me from	329.3441
340		329.9409	doing a lot of criminal activity that a lot of my friends ended up	332.1651
342		332.2724	doing,	332.7014
344		333.3390	um,	333.8799
346		334.3136	and just getting involved in, so.	335.6798
347	DCB_int_01	336.5937	Were you an only child?	338.0859
348	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	338.3237	No actually, I'm a middle child. So I have a older brother,	341.1016
350		341.3254	and I have a younger brother.	342.6870
352		343.5916	And so I'm dead smack in the middle.	345.0837
354		345.2131	Three- my parents had three boys, so.	346.9058
355	DCB_int_01	347.5632	So tell me about growing up	348.6590
357		348.8315	as a middle child, and then talk a little bit about your brothers.	352.0525
358	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	352.6866	Um,	353.2415
360		353.4047	middle child,	354.0435
362		354.3186	um-	354.8176
364		355.7968	It was pretty cool.	356.5242
366		357.2131	I um-	357.9778
368		358.7799	I was the skinniest of	359.9596
370		360.1181	my brothers, so I got all their hand me downs.	361.9879
372		362.5148	Even my l- younger brother was bigger than me.	364.2716
374		364.8591	So	365.2741
376		365.7218	it was just pretty fun	366.6077
378		366.8036	to just get clothes from your little brother	368.5895
380		369.2784	and no one buys you clothes because you can fit everybody else's. (laughing)	372.0015
382		372.4911	But um-	373.0274
384		373.4797	that's not true. They bought me clothes but	374.8273
386		375.5069	I got a lot of hand me downs.	376.3695
388		376.7892	It was pretty cool. Um,	377.9456
390		378.8269	my older brother's three years older than me, so	380.4123
392		380.9287	we kind of had a gap.	381.7820
394		381.8893	We don't really- we didn't really play together as much as my little brother. He's just one year younger than me.	385.0507
396		385.5543	So we had	386.1698
398		386.3050	a lot more	387.0045
400		387.3204	synergy	387.9825
402		388.5607	playing with toys, playing sports together, things like that.	391.2699
404		391.9553	But um,	392.4356
406		393.1758	over all, it was pretty fun. We were video game	395.0410
408		395.4746	fanatics,	396.0948
410		396.8036	so when we were kids,	398.3983
412		398.6361	of course, Nintendo, Sega Genesis.	400.3835
414		401.1482	And then when the Nintendo Sixty Four came out when I was like,	403.5869
416		403.8807	starting high school,	404.6967
418		404.7946	I was just hooked.	405.4754
420		405.6887	So I was like, well,	406.3695
422		406.9710	no more homework for me.	407.9736
424		408.6310	And we just-	409.0507
426		409.3958	we would get a big bowl of cereal,	410.6221
428		411.1665	uh, Frosted Flakes-	412.2669
430		412.5607	we'd get a tub of it,	413.5119
432		414.2254	and we would just go in the basement and just spend hours	416.5615
434		416.7993	playing video games.	417.6654
435	DCB_int_01	417.6468	What was your favorite?	418.3602
436	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	418.7565	<ts>	418.8405
438		419.8710	My favorite video game was	421.0647
440		421.2186	probably	422.0532
442		422.5475	WCW vs NWO,	424.4675
444		424.6633	which is a wrestling game.	425.7544
446		426.8549	And it tied with like, GoldenEye Double O Seven.	429.5955
448		429.7867	It's like a	430.1410
450		430.3975	first person shooter game.	431.5306
452		432.2860	So before all the new games like Halo and Call of Duty,	435.0557
454		435.4603	it was Double Oh Seven, and it was just a first person shooter game.	437.9782
456		438.4165	So tha- those were like revolutionary games, and I was like, man,	441.6000
458		442.1224	no need to see the sunlight.	443.0317
460		443.2368	I'm just in here.	444.0155
462		444.8362	So I really feel bad for kids now having all this technology,	447.0639
464		447.2551	tryna focus in school.	448.2250
466		448.8312	I probably would have just	449.5726
468		449.6378	flunked high school	450.5685
469	DCB_int_01	450.5564	[<laugh>]	452.4076
470	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	451.7968	[with all the video] games that they have now.	453.3402
471	DCB_int_01	454.5467	So	455.0923
473		455.2928	how did your- did you guys move here because your dad was in the military?	458.8459
474	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	459.2411	Yeah, so my dad got stationed-	461.2741
476		461.7964	my dad was stationed at-	462.8036
477	DCB_int_01	462.7616	<cough>	463.4937
478	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	463.6382	Um, he was stationed at Scott Air Force Base	465.5069
480		465.9452	um, where I- where I was born.	467.3674
482		467.6845	And you know, being a military brat,	469.0787
484		469.6522	people normally expect	470.8226
486		470.9660	that I moved around a lot,	472.0198
488		472.1737	but th-	472.4115
490		472.4954	that was actually our last stop.	473.6798
492		474.1088	After I was born, the last stop was	475.8341
494		476.3889	the DC Armory.	477.1164
496		477.4882	So my dad was working at the DC Armory right by RFK Stadium,	480.4119
498		480.9854	and uh, that's how we got here.	482.2864
500		482.8832	And um,	483.5080
502		484.0991	yeah,	484.5933
504		484.9617	just been here ever since.	485.8617
505	DCB_int_01	486.7476	So tell me about	487.9646
507		488.4869	um-	489.1537
509		489.5815	okay so your mom worked for DCPS,	491.4280
510	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	491.3721	Mm-hm.	491.7358
511	DCB_int_01	492.4165	and so you were-	493.6662
513		493.9926	well you were kind of in and out of	495.5955
515		496.4908	the school system, or in DC [and in-]	498.6497
516	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	498.1554	[Mm-hm.]	498.4911
517	DCB_int_01	499.0181	in um, Forestville.	500.7874
518	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	500.8552	[Mm-hm.]	501.1245
519	DCB_int_01	501.0313	[So] tell me about elementary school.	502.7845
520	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	503.0783	[Yeah] yeah.	503.5819
521	DCB_int_01	503.0783	[Like-]	503.3254
522	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	504.4072	Yeah, well, you know, I never went to school in my neighbor-	506.8832
524		506.9520	in my city. It's so weird.	508.2157
526		508.5933	I lived in Forestville,	509.7078
528		509.8990	but went to elementary school in Walker Mill.	511.7688
530		512.0532	Went to middle school in Upper Marlboro,	513.6000
532		513.9079	went to high school in Largo.	514.8778
534		514.9944	But there's a elementary, middle, and high school in Forestville.	517.1719
536		517.4843	So I lived right on that	518.3237
538		519.0278	edge of the city l- l-	520.3835
540		520.5560	like the divisor in the countr- in the county.	522.5145
542		522.9341	But I didn't go	523.5590
544		524.0159	in any of my city's schools. Anyway,	525.2050
546		525.7400	um, elementary school was pretty fun.	527.4513
548		527.7964	I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School,	529.2139
550		529.4517	which was	529.9180
552		530.2351	I believe the first-	531.5862
554		532.2436	if not the first, one of the first elementary schools	534.8315
556		535.8481	um, to start uniforms.	536.9811
558		537.2038	So before-	537.8380
560		538.0012	before all these schools had uniforms,	539.6612
562		540.0482	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School	541.4284
564		541.8341	had uniforms,	542.7666
566		542.8821	home of the Bears.	543.9312
568		544.5887	And I remember because	546.0715
570		546.2860	we went to kindergarten there, I was like,	547.7361
572		548.5603	why is everybody wearing white shirts and blue ties and blue pants?	551.6332
574		551.7404	I was like, what is that?	552.2953
576		552.8922	And um,	553.6755
578		553.9693	they- they said that because the kids were having	555.9126
580		556.3789	um,	556.8638
582		557.4420	challenges, making fun of each other and not focusing in school,	560.2677
584		560.4682	this school was test piloted-	561.8193
586		561.9778	what if everybody wore the same thing?	563.4513
588		564.2300	Would it help?	564.6730
590		565.2699	And then they saw- they said it helped as far as kids being focused, so	568.3742
592		568.9058	we all wore the same thing.	569.9503
594		570.2160	<ts>	570.3140
596		570.5471	So elementary school was pretty fun, had some fun teachers.	572.7573
598		573.2877	Um,	573.7960
600		575.0596	we used to uh, have those	576.3559
602		576.8082	big posters on the wall in the school down the hallway like,	579.4696
604		579.9359	DARE,	580.6213
606		580.8824	say no to drugs, or	581.9596
608		582.4026	Saved by the Bell.	583.4797
610		584.1138	I actually went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School like,	585.9266
612		587.0456	five years ago, to visit,	588.2906
614		588.6637	and the same	589.8014
615	DCB_int_01	589.9553	<laugh>	591.1210
616	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	591.2936	black girl from Saved by the Bell, Lisa,	593.4280
617	DCB_int_01	593.5679	Mm-hm.	593.7824
618	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	594.3932	she is still	595.6056
620		595.7874	on the wall (laughing).	597.0045
622		597.5908	And I was just like, oh my gosh.	599.6658
624		600.1927	Like,	600.3932
626		600.4958	Lark Voorhies is her name I think.	601.9740
627	DCB_int_01	602.1978	Mm.	602.3470
628	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	602.4869	Why- y'all couldn't get another poster?	603.9685
630		604.6167	So /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	605.4327
632		605.7078	God bless 'em.	606.2673
634		606.3513	Hopefully they got a new poster now. But I was just like, man, y'all keeping it- um,	609.3169
636		609.6841	<ts>	609.7913
638		610.2996	keeping it traditional here.	611.3068
640		611.7591	And the same Chester the Cheetos	613.5170
642		613.7315	advertisement from when I was a kid is still there.	615.5500
644		616.1644	But um, the school was great.	617.3581
646		617.4560	Um, /RD-NAME-5/ was our principal.	619.7361
648		620.1838	She was a great- great woman.	621.2376
650		621.3484	She's been a delegate now in PG County,	623.0177
652		623.5819	and she really	624.2813
654		624.8315	is kind of like a Joe Clarke.	625.8854
656		626.0905	She- she kind of whipped us into shape	627.7447
658		628.2343	um, cause the school wasn't like- really struggling,	630.3886
660		630.8688	and she came in and like, really	632.2957
662		632.4915	cracked the whip.	633.0045
664		633.7260	Um,	634.3602
666		634.9990	yeah.	635.2881
667	DCB_int_01	636.6637	Did you have a favorite subject- I mean I know you were still young, but did you have a class or a teacher that you were like,	641.1902
669		641.5166	I really like them.	642.5191
670	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	643.1067	Yeah, uh,	644.0299
672		645.5302	uh, Miss /RD-NAME-3/.	646.8078
674		647.0736	Sh- she was a- I- Irish lady.	648.4585
676		648.8875	Miss /RD-NAME-3/ was real cool.	650.2164
678		650.7422	Um,	651.3017
680		651.4416	my fourth grade teacher.	652.3882
682		652.9058	Um- cause my mom was a English teacher in DC,	655.0600
684		655.4937	but Miss /RD-NAME-3/ would really really-	656.9858
686		657.4230	used to encourage me with like writing.	659.1902
688		659.8756	Um,	660.3839
690		661.3072	I didn't know later I would be	662.3656
692		662.8028	a pastor or	663.5955
694		664.4675	you know, a rapper,	665.2415
696		665.5819	you know.	665.9922
698		666.3839	So writing was gonna become something that I really did a lot of, but	669.2924
700		669.5955	at the time,	670.2576
702		670.6819	I was just interested in stories	672.0388
704		672.1181	and writing.	672.6683
706		673.2838	Um,	673.8574
708		674.2257	so she was really really	675.1199
710		675.2831	really great.	675.8380
712		676.3416	And then um, Miss /RD-NAME-3/.	677.9642
714		678.5518	Miss- Miss /RD-NAME-1/-	679.2232
716		679.5683	There was a Miss /RD-NAME-3/, then a Miss /RD-NAME-3/.	681.3344
718		681.3996	So Miss /RD-NAME-3/ was my sixth grade teacher,	683.3301
720		684.0575	and she- she's also a pastor	685.4890
722		685.9413	um, of a church.	686.8133
724		687.2411	Um, but she was a great teacher. She was	689.2135
726		689.8010	just awesome.	690.4585
728		690.8315	She- she was very focused and helped us grow	693.0977
730		693.5722	in o- in our-	694.2390
732		694.3882	in our English and reading. So that's my favorite subject, English and reading.	697.3305
734		698.1605	[And math-]	698.7154
735	DCB_int_01	698.1698	[I can see] why.	698.9112
736	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	699.2551	yeah math,	699.7820
738		700.0291	ugh-	700.9944
740		702.2487	uh, it's tough.	703.0460
742		703.4097	[<laugh>]	704.2491
743	DCB_int_01	704.0719	[<laugh>]	704.9718
744	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	704.7189	It was like, uh,	705.5442
745		705.7354	if I have to take it I will,	706.6120
747		706.7379	but-	706.8871
748	DCB_int_01	707.2555	So how- okay, so we went-	708.4958
750		708.7383	then the next school,	710.0672
751	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	711.0826	[At /RD-SCHOOL-4/.]	712.0478
752	DCB_int_01	711.0872	[you went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.]	712.3742
753	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	712.4954	Mm-hm.	712.8312
754	DCB_int_01	712.8078	How was middle school? Cause I know that's a weird time for-	715.3491
755	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	715.6102	Yeah.	715.9973
757		716.7200	So middle school was interesting for a number of reasons. One,	719.2881
759		720.7429	I went from a school-	721.9646
761		722.5055	a elementary school that had uniforms to a middle school that didn't.	724.7519
763		725.7591	So I had never shopped for school. I had never like,	728.2351
765		728.5895	shopped for clothes	729.9405
767		730.0944	to wear.	730.5374
769		730.8032	I didn't know what was cool to wear cause we just wore uniforms.	733.6522
771		734.3237	So that's back when Karl Kani was real hot.	736.0991
772	DCB_int_01	736.2903	Mm.	736.4255
773	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	736.7146	It was just	737.3208
775		737.3954	a t-shirt with a big brass square on your chest.	740.1698
777		740.8879	I'm like, come on Karl.	741.6794
779		742.0898	God bless you Karl if you hear this recording.	743.7218
780	DCB_int_01	743.9036	[<laugh>]	744.1787
781	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	743.9269	[But]	744.1041
782		744.5937	dog, it was like a big	745.5263
784		745.9460	brass	746.6034
786		747.2784	rectangle with his name.	748.7612
788		749.5586	And the shirt would get heavy right there.	751.3165
790		751.5729	If you washed it, it's like, metal- metal is like, on your chest.	754.8078
792		755.7264	I'm like, why not	756.5658
794		756.7383	use a silk screen or-	757.7828
796		758.3470	<ts>	758.4356
798		759.0324	anyway. So-	759.7307
800		760.4022	so I got a- I got a Karl Kani shirt.	761.9922
802		762.0948	We used to get those um,	763.1346
804		763.5310	Warner Brothers shirts,	764.8133
806		764.9054	like Bugs Bunny with his hop hop clothes on, and like,	767.6238
808		768.3466	Disney- everybody was into hip hop. This was the nineties.	770.8832
810		771.2784	And ninety five.	772.0898
812		772.8824	So I would wear those kind of shirts.	774.2300
814		774.5797	Went to /RD-NAME-4/, it was culture shock.	776.2071
816		776.6780	I was small skinny dude with the glasses,	778.8778
818		779.3394	and we was- first time going to school with white people	781.3398
820		781.9786	because	782.6780
822		783.0499	um-	783.4976
824		783.8473	Again, I lived in Forestville, Maryland on that	786.3140
826		786.4818	c-	786.6031
828		786.7569	edge.	787.2186
830		788.5382	We were all shocked, all my friends and I, we got bussed from Forestville,	791.9829
832		792.6264	you know.	793.0087
834		794.0579	Lower middle class, middle class-ish	795.9685
836		796.0898	black people	796.7472
838		797.6099	to farm land. <laugh>	799.8481
840		800.2910	We would drive past trailer parks and cows.	802.4581
842		803.0177	I'm like, what?	803.4233
844		803.8010	What is this? Where we going?	805.0927
846		805.2838	Bus driver you got the wrong way.	806.7060
848		807.1816	This isn't the right way to school. I remember my friends like, what the heck?	809.9782
850		810.6264	Where are they taking us?	811.2932
852		811.7828	But um,	812.4449
854		813.1199	in middle school,	813.9499
856		814.4208	uh, I had some great experiences. I had a great art teacher,	816.6357
858		816.7802	uh, Mr. /RD-NAME-1/, /RD-NAME-3/.	818.8459
860		819.3950	And he really helped me get-	820.8638
862		820.9524	cause I love comic books. So,	822.3606
864		822.4492	he was a comic book artist, and so he really-	824.2071
866		824.5009	I was in the art club, and	825.6000
868		826.5887	I would draw and paint.	827.6005
870		827.9316	He- his class was my favorite.	829.0507
872		829.6849	I had some dope English teachers.	830.8925
874		831.1478	First time I started rapping was	832.6726
876		832.9804	in my English teacher's class, Miss /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	834.9248
878		835.4610	We had to create this	836.5661
880		836.7993	culture.	837.3029
882		837.6235	We had to create a society	838.6866
884		839.1669	using our imaginations, and so	840.6497
886		840.9388	three of my friends, we created this uh-	842.8506
888		843.5955	this- this uh, nation called the Reptil- the Reptiles.	846.5844
890		847.0833	And I drew the flag. It was like a r- a lizard, with its like-	850.0478
892		850.1830	the two-	850.5840
894		850.7472	two deuces up	851.3912
896		851.4886	peace sign.	852.0482
898		852.6077	And they hated snakes,	854.1884
900		854.7620	so	855.1210
902		855.2131	Goodie Mob was a hip hop group that was real popular back then,	857.9829
904		858.6217	and um,	859.2605
906		859.3911	you know, the song was, who's that peaking in my window? (singing) <snap>	862.2576
908		862.4395	/Blow/, <snap>	863.5586
910		864.0435	Nobody now. So,	865.3398
912		865.5916	don't ask us how we got	866.7340
914		867.0740	[the- the-] the instrumental, but we got the instrumental. The- /mind/- This is nineteen ninety five, so	871.0561
915	DCB_int_01	867.0926	[<laugh>]	867.4936
916	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	871.4431	there was no internet to like,	872.6601
918		873.0273	download the beat from, but somehow-	874.8738
920		875.4520	somehow we got the beat on a tape.	877.5550
922		877.9187	And we wrote my first time writing a rap song.	879.9553
924		880.4402	I was like, in t-	881.1816
926		881.6852	eighth grade.	882.1468
928		882.5572	So we were writing this rap song, and I was like-	884.5062
930		885.2698	Yeah I remember it um, cause my name is /RD-NAME-6/.	888.0349
932		888.6831	So my- my verse was,	890.0493
934		890.6170	species number three. It be me little ST, the baddest one of them all, finna make them snakes fall. (rapping)	895.6156
936		895.7788	That's all I remember that I wrote	896.7441
938		897.2372	because we hated- cause we were the Rep-	898.3050
940		898.7853	Uh, /RD-NAME-4/, s- you know, I was species number three. I was the third one, and we hated snakes.	903.2185
942		903.7641	So I remember that, and I was like, man, rapping is	905.7225
944		905.8437	cool, man. Like,	906.6644
946		906.8090	I never thought I could rap.	907.6856
948		908.5004	I grew up listening to it but I never thought I would be rapping.	910.4868
950		911.1536	So	911.6106
952		911.9603	that was great from a academics perspective.	914.1087
954		914.2766	Um,	914.7802
956		915.0087	socially, I was kind of awkward.	916.5847
958		917.1769	Um, I had a guy who was a uh,	918.7950
960		918.8602	somewhat of a- not somewhat, he was actually a bully,	920.8035
962		920.9574	this big guy.	921.6895
964		922.0392	I don't know where this guy came from, but he just saw me, and was like, hey, you're small.	925.7975
966		926.3792	You know, you have glasses.	927.6699
968		928.1091	Let's try you.	928.8972
970		929.4054	So	929.7831
972		929.9556	I had some insecurities. You know,	931.8814
974		932.2218	uh, got me to the point where I actually was very suicidal,	934.5847
976		934.8832	/RD-NAME-2/.	935.1023
978		935.5453	So I tried to take my life twice in one day.	937.6716
980		938.3652	Um, I remember that day because I made a um,	940.9718
982		941.3635	noose out of a jump rope,	942.6318
984		943.2519	and I put it around my neck, and I tried to to hang myself. And the one thing that kept me	947.2282
986		948.1095	was	948.9722
988		949.7369	my faith in God.	950.8500
990		951.0040	There was like-	951.4703
992		951.5916	there was a knowing that my life had purpose.	953.5593
994		954.2074	Um, I got saved when I was six, and so I gave my life to Jesus Christ when I was six. So at this time I was like,	958.9904
996		959.5779	twelve.	960.0769
998		960.5851	And at twelve, I was like, man, my life would be better if I'm not in it.	963.2278
1000		963.9459	And so	964.5008
1002		965.0231	you know, I had low self esteem.	966.4872
1004		966.9488	Um, I had some just challenges with-	968.2171
1006		968.4398	challenges in my home like not getting along with my parents, and	971.1583
1008		971.7318	you know, I didn't have many friends. So I just felt like a outcast for this part of my life.	975.4517
1010		976.1185	And I thank God that I didn't take my life because	978.5292
1012		979.3965	I didn't know what I was gonna become,	981.3118
1014		981.7874	[you know?]	982.1418
1015	DCB_int_01	981.8014	[Mm-hm.]	982.2444
1016	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	982.6034	Um, I didn't know I'd be a speaker that travels around the country and talks to kids and be a pastor here in DC and	987.5589
1018		987.9599	be a hip hop artist and stuff. Like I didn't know all that-	990.1515
1020		990.8090	to help people, encourage people.	992.3447
1022		992.6730	So I feel like the devil-	993.6801
1024		994.0765	I believe in the devil.	994.8645
1026		995.0231	If you're listening to this recording,	996.0909
1028		996.4546	I believe in the devil and God.	997.7042
1030		998.3978	So	998.8222
1032		999.0087	I believe that the devil wanted me to-	1000.5428
1034		1001.2142	to- to kill myself so that	1002.7157
1036		1003.2519	I wouldn't reach my potential, my purpose.	1005.0087
1038		1006.1278	All throughout the Bible	1006.9671
1040		1007.3308	I started noticing like,	1008.2634
1042		1008.6737	Satan would try to kill significant people when they were children.	1011.3584
1044		1011.4936	You know,	1011.8667
1046		1012.1324	the King tried to kill	1013.0790
1048		1013.5546	uh, Moses. Or Pharaoh tried to kill Moses, all the babies, so Moses wouldn't come, and then	1017.1859
1050		1017.5776	the King tried to kill Jesus,	1018.7899
1052		1018.8738	p- so Jesus wouldn't become and be the Messiah.	1020.8043
1054		1021.1540	So I feel- not that I'm Moses or Jesus, but I just f-	1023.3677
1056		1023.4890	I just see a pattern of,	1024.6594
1058		1025.1303	let's take him out of the equation before he can do some damage.	1027.9840
1060		1028.7103	So	1029.1019
1062		1030.4076	once I got past that part,	1032.1515
1064		1032.4965	where I realized my life had purpose,	1033.9141
1066		1034.5424	um,	1034.9714
1068		1035.2278	it didn't matter what the dude said or tried to shove me or stuff. I learned to avoid him.	1038.5851
1070		1039.0701	Um,	1039.5877
1072		1039.9141	and I got my little brother on him a little bit cause my little brother was bigger than me, so my little brother was tryna fight him.	1043.9277
1074		1044.6924	So	1045.0607
1076		1045.3918	I w- I made it through middle school,	1047.0040
1078		1047.3864	and uh-	1048.1138
1080		1049.0371	and yeah.	1049.5593
1082		1049.7411	But that was a very difficult time	1051.1447
1084		1051.3265	cause that's when you're tryna	1052.4689
1086		1053.0507	figure out everything. Y- you're not necessarily a little kid anymore, but you're not a	1056.5385
1088		1057.3545	teenager either.	1058.1938
1090		1058.3512	You're really- It's the tween.	1059.5589
1092		1059.8387	[You're not a teen], you're a tween, so I was in between	1062.2820
1093	DCB_int_01	1059.8387	[Mm-hm.]	1060.2770
1094	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1063.1633	what-	1063.5084
1096		1064.0621	who I was and didn't know exactly where I was going	1066.4355
1098		1066.5568	and who I was gonna be.	1067.3448
1100		1067.9556	But God was the center for my	1069.9451
1102		1070.8082	uh-	1071.4657
1104		1071.7687	s- sustaining me in that time,	1073.3774
1106		1073.5267	you know.	1073.8158
1108		1074.4313	So yeah.	1074.8090
1110		1074.9209	So that was middle school.	1075.6110
1111	DCB_int_01	1075.9036	So how did you-	1076.5937
1113		1076.8128	how d- how did you fare in high school then?	1078.6034
1115		1078.7946	Like how was high school for you?	1080.1466
1116	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1080.2494	Okay, so	1081.0048
1118		1083.1346	I just- I just told you all that,	1084.8459
1120		1085.0371	God was significant in my life in middle school.	1087.0794
1122		1088.0994	N- this is nineteen ninety five, summer of going into nineteen ninety six.	1091.4894
1123	DCB_int_01	1091.6292	Mm-hm.	1091.9510
1124	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1092.0536	I w-	1092.2914
1126		1092.5618	I said, well I'm going in the total opposite direction.	1094.9621
1128		1095.3071	Thank you God for keeping me from killing myself,	1097.1629
1130		1097.6665	but	1098.3660
1132		1098.9488	I won't be punked again, homie.	1100.2125
1134		1100.9900	So I went-	1101.8993
1136		1102.1837	I got- I went into a very rebellious stage. I started hanging with	1104.7716
1138		1105.2240	my older brother and some of his friends, was smoking weed.	1107.7734
1140		1108.2630	Um,	1108.9578
1142		1109.4894	you know,	1109.9836
1144		1110.2774	just	1110.5665
1146		1110.9861	being rebellious.	1111.8161
1148		1112.2253	I- I hit a growth spurt the summer after eighth grade. I remember looking up to the sky and just saying-	1116.1841
1150		1116.5945	you know, cursing God.	1117.5643
1152		1118.3186	Um, again,	1119.0460
1154		1119.4563	uh,	1119.7454
1156		1119.9319	God-	1120.2397
1158		1120.3749	I knew God called me	1121.5173
1160		1122.0163	to- to live for him.	1123.3965
1162		1124.0575	I- I went from being suicidal and depressed	1126.5941
1164		1126.9578	to being extremely prideful and thinking I don't need God	1129.3359
1166		1129.4757	within a matter of months.	1130.4689
1168		1130.8315	<laugh>	1131.0833
1170		1131.7921	Um,	1132.2210
1172		1132.4215	hey.	1132.6360
1174		1133.1023	The young-	1133.4287
1176		1133.7505	the young	1134.0815
1177	DCB_int_01	1133.9929	Mm-hm.	1134.3007
1178	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1134.4359	twelve year old mind. <laugh>	1135.5177
1180		1135.9420	So God helped me, and then I was like, okay, thanks God. Now I don't need you	1139.4241
1182		1139.6526	cause I'm not gonna be vulnerable anymore.	1141.2379
1183	DCB_int_01	1141.5643	Mm.	1141.7509
1184	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1141.9689	So	1142.4352
1186		1142.8595	I started hanging with dudes that were	1144.3936
1188		1144.9298	you know, selling drugs, getting in gang fights.	1147.3872
1190		1147.8348	The- the bad of-	1148.5331
1192		1148.6636	the badder influence of my neighborhood.	1150.3796
1194		1150.9018	And we went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School, so mind you, Forestville is a	1154.0073
1196		1154.5611	lower middle class	1156.2490
1198		1156.7713	neighborhood	1157.5360
1200		1157.8484	that had some	1158.6411
1202		1158.9302	elements of	1159.7509
1204		1160.2020	drug use,	1161.0367
1206		1161.1439	drug abuse, drug dealing,	1162.3330
1208		1162.8226	crime, criminal, gun shots here and there.	1164.8836
1210		1166.0446	And well then I go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	1167.5406
1212		1168.6967	which if you're listening to this recording, you don't know where /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is, it's like-	1171.9654
1214		1172.9201	P-	1173.0134
1216		1173.1019	Prince George's County at one time was the most affluent black county in America, and /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was like, the mecca of it.	1178.3804
1218		1178.9014	So this was nineteen ninety six.	1180.5428
1220		1180.9251	We were going to school with kids pulling up in	1182.9591
1222		1183.1960	Benzes	1183.7555
1224		1183.9607	and like,	1184.4177
1226		1184.7569	Lexuses, and I'm like, y'all are rich dudes, you know.	1187.5546
1228		1188.1002	And- and they-	1188.8836
1230		1189.0188	and there was this kind of	1190.0388
1232		1190.5424	c- social cast	1191.8667
1234		1191.9879	system	1192.5708
1236		1193.0557	in /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School	1194.1795
1238		1194.7157	kind of like uh, Romeo and Juliet.	1196.3151
1240		1197.2465	Um, the- like,	1197.9689
1242		1198.1138	you got the haves and the have nots, and they don't like each other.	1200.8696
1244		1201.3545	So they called us	1202.3757
1246		1202.5284	dirty Forestville bamas, and	1204.2723
1248		1204.4682	we called them rich /RD-SCHOOL-2/ bamas, and there were lots of fights.	1207.3032
1250		1207.8628	So I found myself	1208.7802
1252		1209.4330	hitting a growth spurt,	1210.3283
1254		1211.1023	uh, got a little facial hair.	1212.3287
1256		1212.4639	I got like one	1213.2939
1258		1213.5026	s-	1213.6518
1260		1214.0015	piece of s-	1214.4678
1262		1215.0413	beard	1215.3537
1264		1215.4470	[that came in],	1216.0951
1265	DCB_int_01	1215.4517	[<laugh>]	1217.1909
1266	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1216.5847	[and I thought I was] grown.	1217.7085
1267		1218.5898	Um, I started hanging with seniors being a freshman, so you know that's- that gave me some cool points.	1222.9158
1269		1223.3168	And s- and some of the guys that didn't wanna h- catch my back in middle school, they all wanted to impress me because I was hanging with the seniors cause my older brother was a senior.	1230.4825
1271		1230.8742	And I was a freshman.	1231.5597
1273		1232.3792	But in the midst of that, I'm sitting at the senior table at lunch. I'm hanging with senior girls. I'm talking to girls cause my brother's cool, he plays football.	1238.2964
1275		1238.8875	You know, I'm- I'm-	1239.5776
1277		1239.7314	I'm hanging with drug dealers. One of my-	1241.1676
1279		1241.4800	One of my friends /RD-NAME-1/- I wanted to be just like /RD-NAME-1/.	1243.5037
1281		1244.6730	Um, he used to grow out his pinky nail and-	1246.6314
1283		1246.7386	and cut up cocaine.	1247.7738
1285		1248.5618	And um, I was hanging with these guys,	1250.7802
1287		1250.8828	and I remember	1251.5962
1289		1251.9646	a moment	1252.7713
1291		1253.4847	um, in ninth grade where	1254.8789
1293		1255.5597	we were riding to the /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Suitland game.	1257.5030
1295		1257.7408	And back then, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and Suitland High School had a crazy beef.	1260.3054
1297		1261.1120	And they-	1261.4058
1299		1261.6238	uh, /RD-NAME-1/-	1262.2720
1301		1262.4398	believe- I believe /RD-NAME-1/ had a gun on him,	1263.8527
1303		1264.5847	and I just told him, let me out the car.	1266.1422
1305		1266.4219	Like the Holy Spirit of God-	1267.8721
1307		1268.2626	You know, I believe the Holy Spirit of God speaks to believers, and although I was in a rebellious state of mind,	1272.3427
1309		1272.4173	I was still saved.	1273.2566
1311		1273.8628	And-	1274.0773
1313		1274.2673	and there was a knowing to get out of that car.	1276.2304
1315		1276.8505	And so they let me out, and I just kind of stood around the-	1279.0234
1317		1279.4011	the football game	1280.2498
1319		1280.6170	by myself, and they went off and did something stupid.	1282.7759
1321		1283.5733	So	1284.0163
1323		1284.1795	I- I was at this crossroads,	1285.9001
1325		1286.1286	as a um,	1286.8222
1327		1287.5123	fourteen year old now,	1288.6500
1329		1289.6712	and the thing-	1290.6084
1331		1290.8369	the straw that broke the camel's back for me, in high school,	1293.2838
1333		1293.7361	where I turned my life	1294.7060
1335		1295.3681	uh, from being rebellious toward God to um-	1297.6203
1337		1297.7835	repenting is what we call it when we turn from our sin	1299.9926
1339		1300.2024	and- and go back toward living for God.	1301.7785
1341		1302.3800	My twin towers fell.	1303.5504
1343		1304.5750	Uh, my first tower was my older brother.	1306.4309
1345		1307.0464	He got arrest- well,	1308.1375
1347		1308.3054	he almost got arrested. He got chewed up by police dogs in a high speed chase.	1311.8014
1349		1312.9438	He got- got kicked out of the house.	1314.7950
1351		1314.9069	Bail bondsmen were looking for him.	1316.6415
1353		1317.8667	And then my second tower was Tupac Shakur.	1319.9696
1355		1320.4406	So	1320.8509
1357		1321.6296	we used to listen to Thug Life, Tupac Shakur.	1323.7687
1359		1324.3423	You know, this- smoking weed, drinking, we listening to Tupac,	1328.1612
1361		1328.6683	and I remember when he got killed.	1330.1977
1363		1330.4215	It was right after my birthday.	1331.5173
1365		1332.1888	Cause I was born September eighth, and he died like, September	1335.0040
1367		1335.3910	thirteenth or s- s- like, seven days or something after my birthday	1337.6712
1369		1338.1049	in Las Vegas. And like, we were listening to WPGC, and I was like,	1341.1439
1371		1342.5894	Pac is dead.	1343.6712
1373		1343.9929	And it just like- we were all riding to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School, and we were just like-	1347.3677
1375		1348.5195	we were just so taken aback cause Tupac was our role model.	1351.5410
1377		1351.7136	You know what I'm saying?	1352.3057
1379		1352.8455	So	1353.3304
1381		1353.4890	I found myself-	1354.5708
1383		1355.6712	if the guy that invented Thug Life	1357.6110
1385		1357.9269	and was living this fast life in the streets,	1359.7081
1387		1359.8294	he died. And my older brother got caught up	1362.5152
1389		1362.8183	in this same stuff,	1363.8581
1391		1363.9607	and he just got a-	1364.7755
1393		1364.9201	chewed up by police dogs, in the hospital,	1367.2049
1395		1367.6432	kicked out the house.	1368.4266
1397		1368.7716	What's about to happen to	1369.9840
1399		1370.5704	/RD-NAME-6/?	1371.6848
1401		1372.0765	<laugh>	1372.9345
1403		1373.0604	So I remember I had a moment where I said, you know,	1375.2986
1405		1376.0120	God if you're real, show me you're real.	1377.6242
1407		1378.2770	Like I know last year I cursed you out, but I mean,	1380.1561
1409		1380.7763	I- I want a real relationship with you, not some fake religion, not some-	1384.3003
1411		1385.3122	you know, just	1386.4359
1413		1386.6084	saying-	1386.9908
1415		1387.1680	catchy church sayings, and	1388.4177
1417		1388.9108	I want something real	1390.2583
1419		1391.0417	or-	1391.4194
1421		1391.6479	or I'm next.	1392.4686
1423		1393.3265	And that's when	1394.4258
1425		1395.8667	I started um, really paying attention in church,	1398.0722
1427		1398.4266	started taking more notes,	1399.7182
1429		1400.3419	and just started	1401.2558
1431		1401.5216	changing my life- or God started changing my life, or I started	1403.9696
1433		1404.3427	pulling back from some of those negative influences from my neighborhood. I stopped hanging with them by the lockers.	1408.7106
1435		1409.0697	I started going to the library reading the Bible on my own, wait til the first bell ring and I go straight to class.	1413.8993
1437		1414.3469	And, oh where you at /RD-NAME-2/- they didn't call me /RD-NAME-2/, they called me /RD-NAME-2/. Hey where you at, man? Where you been?	1418.2405
1439		1418.6869	Nah man, I ain't about that no more.	1420.0672
1441		1420.6873	And- and from there,	1421.8484
1443		1422.1795	I started just teaching people the Bible whatever I was learning	1424.8641
1445		1425.1766	in the library.	1425.7921
1447		1426.4449	And then it grew into the cafeteria.	1428.1235
1449		1428.5478	So I was leading a Bible study	1429.8861
1451		1430.3186	in the- in uh, eleventh and- my junior and senior year of high school I was leading a Bible study every morning	1434.6737
1453		1435.1447	in the cafeteria before the first bell would ring, and we'd pray.	1437.5589
1455		1438.2770	And so when the Columbine incident happened in nineteen ninety nine,	1441.1540
1457		1441.6763	when Eric and Dylan uh, shot up their school	1443.8807
1459		1444.0672	in uh,	1444.4822
1461		1444.5987	Columbine, Colorado,	1445.6386
1463		1446.1561	that	1446.5385
1465		1446.6597	next school day,	1447.8115
1467		1448.1227	the whole cafeteria was full of-	1450.4402
1469		1450.7246	the wh- I felt like the whole school	1452.3753
1471		1452.8929	tried to squeeze into that cafeteria to pray.	1454.6113
1473		1455.6848	Now, we were- we were leading a Bible study every morning	1457.9790
1475		1458.2168	and praying. Every morning we had about fifteen, twenty students.	1460.5902
1477		1461.1532	But	1461.4563
1479		1462.1651	when tragedy struck America- cause we had never seen	1465.0421
1481		1465.6250	a terrorist attack-	1466.9574
1483		1467.0926	It was like a- It was a terrorist attack	1468.7060
1485		1469.1956	by	1469.7598
1487		1470.7483	American teenagers on their own school.	1472.7942
1489		1472.9481	It was just-	1473.6335
1491		1474.2770	If you wanna- if you-	1475.2282
1493		1475.3635	you're listening to this, and you weren't around in nineteen ninety nine, it was like,	1477.9747
1495		1478.4631	the biggest shock in- of the country.	1480.2490
1497		1480.9112	And so	1481.5873
1499		1482.1608	going into school that next school day, the whole cafeteria was full of people wanting to pray.	1485.6522
1501		1486.3050	And so that-	1487.0837
1503		1487.2609	those were the days when I started really walking in-	1489.4944
1505		1489.5783	in my faith with the Lord.	1490.4736
1507		1490.8175	I started out just teaching whatever my pastor taught the Sunday before.	1493.4847
1509		1494.3333	I'd be like, come on pastor,	1495.1307
1511		1495.5690	give me some good stuff cause I gotta have five days of material now. I got [Monday],	1498.6407
1512	DCB_int_01	1498.3656	[<laugh>]	1501.1354
1513	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1498.7759	[Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday Bible Study, man.]	1500.8229
1514		1501.4058	Don't-	1501.6856
1516		1501.8907	Come on.	1502.3804
1518		1502.9760	And after awhile, I ran out of stuff to preach that he had preached. I used to preach whatever he preached but after awhile-	1507.2426
1520		1507.5131	you know, he's preaching fifty two times a year,	1509.1952
1522		1509.5636	and I'm tryna teach	1510.6081
1524		1511.2422	however many days there is- school days there is a year. Two hundred something.	1514.0400
1526		1514.2171	So that wasn't adding up.	1515.2558
1528		1515.8340	So I was like, uh, I need some more messages.	1519.1587
1530		1519.5084	So I started sitting at the front of the bus,	1521.1579
1532		1521.7874	reading a proverb a day	1523.0930
1534		1523.2842	and just tryna ask God to give me interpretation.	1525.3405
1536		1525.7042	I know I wasn't interpreting it the best,	1527.1439
1538		1527.7408	but I was doing the best I could.	1529.0324
1540		1529.5873	And the kids in the back	1530.5059
1542		1530.6458	throwing stuff,	1531.4571
1544		1531.5410	the bus driver said, I'm turning the bus around!	1533.3513
1546		1533.4538	Aw man, blank you. Blank blank. I'm like,	1535.5988
1548		1535.7527	<sigh>	1536.4128
1550		1537.1084	so	1537.5001
1552		1538.1389	my- my friends I used to hang with I distanced myself, and they're like, lighting stuff on fire in the back of the bus and	1543.2053
1554		1543.3638	hitting people in the head and throwing stuff.	1544.9108
1556		1545.2045	And I'm- I went all the way to the front of the bus so I could focus on a message	1548.6271
1558		1548.7157	to share with my peers.	1549.8488
1560		1550.4445	And that's kind of- that was high school in a nut shell. I graduated	1553.0650
1562		1553.8437	um, from high school in two thousand.	1555.6250
1564		1556.1647	I had one person sign my year book.	1557.7221
1566		1558.3609	And- So I went from being	1559.7085
1568		1559.8670	a depressed nobody in middle school	1561.6902
1570		1562.4538	to	1562.9061
1572		1563.2465	n- ninth grade,	1564.1464
1574		1564.4029	a person that	1565.0744
1576		1565.3728	had all th-	1565.8997
1578		1566.0209	getting all this clout. Like my brother was	1567.8441
1580		1568.0913	kind of passing the baton of the legacy he built in the school. He was a-	1571.4241
1582		1571.9603	you know, number sixty five,	1573.2566
1584		1573.6856	played on defensive line. He big guy- big strong man, had all this	1576.9997
1586		1577.4054	respect,	1577.7971
1588		1578.1561	and I was following his footsteps. You know, we were	1579.8022
1590		1580.0586	hanging out with the dudes, sell drugs and use 'em and	1582.0299
1592		1582.3982	then I just- God called me away from that.	1584.1142
1594		1584.2681	So I went from tryna-	1585.3918
1596		1586.2440	From being a depressed nobody in middle school to	1588.2397
1598		1588.3143	a big somebody	1589.2282
1600		1589.5220	to a	1589.8950
1602		1590.7017	saved-	1591.4151
1604		1592.2824	walking the path that I felt was right-	1593.7035
1606		1594.1278	in a matter of	1595.0650
1608		1595.6805	a few years.	1596.3567
1610		1597.0794	So	1597.2752
1612		1597.7369	that was high school.	1598.3757
1613	DCB_int_01	1598.9387	So how did-	1599.3957
1615		1599.5076	how did you end up at /RD-SCHOOL-2/?	1600.7060
1616	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1601.4847	Uh, went to /RD-SCHOOL-8/.	1602.9861
1618		1603.2892	Um,	1603.8348
1620		1604.2346	I wanted to go to Howard University but my-	1605.6848
1622		1605.8807	I didn't do well on the SAT at all.	1607.4194
1624		1607.5919	I got like a	1608.1049
1626		1608.8836	nine twenty five the first time. The second time I got a eight	1611.3118
1628		1611.5589	something.	1611.9832
1630		1612.2630	Well this isn't for me.	1613.2562
1631	DCB_int_01	1613.3168	<laugh>	1614.1888
1632	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1615.3265	So my- my SAT scores weren't good enough to go to Howard so	1617.9832
1634		1618.6034	I went to what they call thirteenth grade. I went across the street to /RD-SCHOOL-8/.	1622.2405
1636		1622.8175	And um,	1623.5076
1638		1623.6055	I didn't treat it like thirteenth grade.	1624.9485
1640		1625.0744	Some of the- some of the richer kids were skipping class. I'm like, you guys are	1627.8255
1642		1627.9840	dumb.	1628.2498
1644		1628.3757	Like,	1628.5342
1646		1629.5496	You- your mom's paying for this, right? Cause I'm paying for my education. I'm- you must have somebody silver spooning you, man.	1635.1626
1648		1635.5216	Security guards would have say, yo, go to class!	1637.4660
1650		1637.6106	Go to class. I'm like, this is not high school. This is college.	1639.8861
1652		1640.5237	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ was-	1640.9854
1654		1641.0786	was really great. I loved it cause you could have a class every hour on the hour,	1644.1049
1656		1644.3986	and I was able to work around my work schedule. I was working and going to-	1647.3164
1658		1647.5542	there.	1647.7687
1660		1648.4635	I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ for two and a half years,	1650.4825
1662		1650.6318	and then I finished up at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1651.9141
1664		1652.6683	I went three years at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1653.9273
1666		1654.7386	At /RD-SCHOOL-3/-	1655.7178
1668		1656.2914	Well at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ I was um,	1657.6623
1670		1658.3652	just kind of mentoring	1659.2651
1672		1659.4330	um-	1659.8200
1674		1660.1185	tryna start and mentor teenagers,	1661.6199
1676		1662.1188	um, tryna share- share about God with-	1663.9793
1678		1664.2020	with some of the younger kids in my neighborhood.	1665.8480
1680		1666.5428	And then um,	1667.3868
1682		1668.1608	in college at /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	1669.2846
1684		1669.7788	Campus Crusade for Christ	1671.1607
1686		1671.6055	um, has a um,	1673.0324
1688		1673.3495	organization for HBCU. It's called the Impact Movement.	1676.0679
1690		1676.7149	And so it's a uh, campus ministry,	1678.3842
1692		1678.8459	and I became the- the uh- the teacher for Impact Movement at /RD-SCHOOL-8/ for those-	1683.0180
1694		1683.5169	two of those three years.	1684.4262
1696		1685.4194	And uh, at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ I majored in, um, fine arts,	1687.9094
1698		1688.6217	concentration computer graphics.	1690.0578
1700		1691.1490	I thought I was gonna be a cartoon	1692.6784
1702		1692.9395	animator	1693.4851
1704		1694.0761	and a comic book artist cause that's	1695.5309
1706		1695.6988	you know-	1695.9553
1708		1696.6034	I love drawing, and I do voi- voices and impersonations.	1699.6110
1710		1699.6763	I would do some now but	1700.8035
1712		1700.9387	it would make you laugh, and then	1701.8853
1714		1702.1604	it would ruin this recording.	1703.0697
1715	DCB_int_01	1703.7085	[<laugh>]	1704.1888
1716	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1703.8857	[But] um-	1704.6038
1717		1705.1820	but yeah.	1705.6110
1719		1706.1367	I would like impersonate	1707.0926
1721		1707.3025	Power Rangers, Batman, Scooby Doo.	1709.2049
1723		1709.4847	So I thought I would be a voice over artist	1711.4711
1725		1711.9234	and a uh,	1712.5902
1727		1712.7196	visual artist, a comic book artist. So I- I would draw comic books in my basement. When I was wasn't playing video games, I'd draw comic books.	1718.2871
1729		1718.8735	Cause I wasn't- I'm not very athletic. I didn't like to play sports but I- I like to be creative and draw and write.	1723.3172
1731		1723.8115	So	1724.2778
1733		1724.9621	I thought I would do that but	1725.9133
1735		1726.5101	at /RD-SCHOOL-8/ is when God gave me clarity. I was interning at	1730.1659
1737		1730.6683	/RD-WORK-9/,	1731.7936
1739		1732.9858	and I just hated it.	1733.8857
1741		1734.1561	No offense /RD-WORK-3/,	1735.0701
1743		1735.3685	but I just-	1736.1052
1745		1736.7662	I just-	1737.2232
1747		1738.4495	you ever felt like you just w-	1739.7411
1749		1740.0163	you weren't in the right place?	1741.4058
1751		1742.1052	I thought this is what I wanted to do with my life,	1744.0345
1753		1744.7013	but I went to this um-	1745.9743
1755		1746.7064	this conference for teenagers called uh, Acquire the Fire.	1749.7501
1757		1750.7153	Uh, Acquire the Fire	1751.7645
1759		1751.9836	by Teen Mania,	1752.9115
1761		1753.0934	it's a ministry. They- they-	1754.3384
1763		1754.6077	They do these stadium events all over the country, and they have speakers and	1757.3774
1765		1757.7785	rock bands and rappers and	1759.4291
1767		1760.0761	um,	1760.3885
1769		1761.0087	you know, prayer and	1762.0205
1771		1762.7806	multimedia like-	1763.8391
1773		1764.3893	They would make little short films and-	1765.9840
1775		1766.0959	and	1766.2545
1777		1766.4538	skits, and I'm like, man,	1767.5123
1779		1767.8014	<clap>	1767.9366
1781		1768.1977	this is so cool. Man, like	1769.4334
1783		1769.9370	it's- it's the performing arts meets the visual arts meets ministry.	1773.1672
1785		1773.6522	And I was like,	1774.1464
1787		1774.4728	this is what I wanna do.	1775.5779
1789		1775.9230	Not sitting in /RD-WORK-9/ designing stuff for their website.	1778.5109
1791		1779.2745	I was doing some real menial things there.	1781.3541
1793		1782.0909	The int- so I quit the internship there.	1783.5259
1794	DCB_int_01	1783.5119	<laugh>	1784.2393
1795	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1784.8175	Miss-	1785.1113
1797		1785.3258	Uh, I'm not gonna say her name, but	1786.6081
1799		1787.1256	she- sh-	1787.4147
1801		1787.5500	she wasn't	1788.0163
1803		1788.1282	seem- didn't seem too thrilled about it cause I did a short film	1790.6648
1805		1791.0693	at /RD-SCHOOL-8/ called The Road to Damascus.	1793.4987
1807		1794.0722	So I took a cinematography class. I had never l-	1796.4456
1809		1796.6823	thought I would do films but I said-	1797.9599
1811		1798.5708	we had to do a five minute short film, so	1800.0489
1813		1800.4872	my friend worked at /RD-SCHOOL-8/ Television. We got two cameras.	1803.4330
1815		1803.8154	Thanksgiving	1804.4449
1817		1804.5661	two thousand four-	1805.6386
1819		1805.8437	Thanksgiving weekend, we filmed it in three days. A forty minute short film, we shot it in uh,	1809.7548
1821		1810.3376	uh,	1810.6127
1823		1810.9298	uh- what was it? Kentland, um-	1812.6877
1825		1812.9815	we were over behind the Public Playhouse filming. We were filming all over	1815.3771
1827		1815.4796	PG County.	1815.9786
1829		1816.3703	And basically I played this	1817.4754
1831		1817.8391	drug dealer who	1818.6737
1833		1819.0141	w-	1819.1074
1835		1819.1727	got locked up in a juvenile detention center but came out	1821.7035
1837		1822.0625	and had a encounter with Christ	1823.3262
1839		1823.7924	and changed his life around.	1824.7996
1841		1825.4897	So	1825.9467
1843		1826.1880	uh, one day I might show it you,	1827.3444
1845		1827.6055	but it's a-	1828.2164
1847		1828.5568	it's a no budget film.	1829.4241
1849		1829.9650	I paid my actors with pizza	1831.1074
1850	DCB_int_01	1831.7928	<laugh>	1832.2218
1851	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1832.2440	um,	1832.9527
1853		1833.5216	because I was a college student with no money.	1835.2422
1855		1835.8391	But we- we did some screenings of the film at my church,	1838.5482
1857		1838.9807	and lot of people got saved.	1840.4635
1859		1840.8925	Um, I- I preached the gospel	1842.5152
1861		1842.7064	of Jesus Christ at the um-	1844.1332
1863		1844.6963	after the movie showing we had a praise band,	1846.6640
1865		1846.9997	lot of kids got saved, and I said, man, this is what I wanna do with my life.	1849.6844
1867		1850.1367	I wanna make multi media ministry,	1852.1791
1869		1852.4589	multi media ministry. So that's how my company /RD-WORK-7/ got started in college.	1856.0260
1871		1856.6450	You know um, we- we help make the Bible make sense through multi media venues,	1859.9650
1873		1860.5805	so	1861.0141
1875		1861.0887	rapping, preaching,	1862.3524
1877		1862.5890	consulting,	1863.2791
1879		1864.0951	clothing.	1864.6314
1881		1865.4987	We make all kind of things, video blogs, written blogs,	1867.9001
1883		1868.4725	uh-	1869.0087
1885		1869.3025	we have all kinds of resources to help people grow.	1871.0883
1887		1871.8204	So I started that in college and this f-	1873.2053
1889		1873.3219	this movie was a great catalyst for that, so I went back to my internship at /RD-WORK-3/.	1876.7153
1891		1877.2189	I mean this is my senior year at /RD-SCHOOL-8/, my senior year.	1880.0539
1893		1880.5984	My- my /professor/ told me I had to take an internship so I	1883.4147
1895		1883.5313	do this internship, and I just told	1884.9582
1897		1885.4140	my intern	1886.1711
1899		1886.3093	supervisor, I said, you know, Miss so and so,	1888.3376
1901		1889.3122	last night was incredible.	1890.4126
1903		1890.5292	Like	1890.8183
1905		1890.9255	fifty-	1891.2240
1907		1891.3452	fifty kids gave their life to Jesus Christ.	1893.3398
1909		1894.1045	And she was like,	1894.5474
1911		1894.7992	is that	1895.1070
1913		1895.1909	what you wanted to happen?	1896.5043
1915		1896.7390	I was like, uh,	1897.6343
1917		1897.7182	yeah.	1898.4177
1919		1899.6755	I am a Christian. <sigh>	1900.9951
1921		1901.2236	And uh, I just told her, you know	1902.5991
1923		1903.6063	I can't-	1904.0120
1925		1904.4445	I can't keep driving up here to Odenton and doing this. Like	1906.8832
1927		1907.6572	I don't wanna do this for a living.	1908.7716
1929		1908.9162	I'm sorry.	1909.3545
1931		1909.4711	Sorry Big Bird.	1910.2171
1933		1911.0273	So	1911.4144
1935		1911.6149	I said goodbye to all the um-	1913.0277
1937		1913.4847	The characters weren't there but	1914.3986
1939		1914.5432	I would see Big Bird on the screen and stuff.	1915.9280
1941		1916.4212	So I just like, you know-	1917.3025
1943		1917.4423	this isn't for me.	1918.1511
1945		1918.5941	I gotta go.	1919.1117
1947		1919.5453	And that's when I went and started my own- started my company,	1921.9047
1949		1922.3932	and then I got hired as a youth pastor um,	1924.2164
1951		1924.4309	and the rest is kind of history, how I got into	1926.1235
1953		1926.6411	my full time	1927.2613
1955		1927.4058	career	1927.8208
1957		1928.1461	in ministry and in music and multimedia.	1930.5381
1959		1931.0184	But that's kind of how it happened,	1931.7551
1961		1931.8997	straight from college on.	1932.8789
1963		1933.2892	Yeah.	1933.5177
1964	DCB_int_01	1934.4725	So let's talk about-	1936.2677
1966		1936.4962	<clears throat>	1936.8738
1968		1937.3168	cause I do wanna get to	1938.2308
1970		1938.4219	kind of where you are currently	1939.7975
1971	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1939.9047	Mm-hm.	1940.1612
1972	DCB_int_01	1940.2300	in your ministry. But let's talk about- so,	1942.2210
1974		1943.1303	you went-	1944.1375
1976		1945.0468	at that- after you left /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	1946.3372
1977	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1946.4631	Mm-hm.	1946.6963
1978	DCB_int_01	1946.7709	what happened?	1947.2325
1980		1947.6615	Were you-	1947.8993
1981	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1948.5008	Yeah.	1948.7340
1983		1948.8692	Soon as I graduated from /RD-SCHOOL-3/	1950.1515
1985		1950.5618	University,	1951.1866
1987		1951.3872	I was hired at /RD-WORK-3/	1953.1999
1988	DCB_int_01	1953.4657	Mm-hm.	1953.6801
1989	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1953.7408	to be the Youth um-	1954.9158
1991		1955.0184	a Youth Discipleship Director.	1956.4406
1993		1956.9442	So I basically was overseeing creative elements for the youth ministry	1960.3469
1995		1960.8599	and you know, teaching- teaching the kids	1962.7716
1997		1963.1820	and uh, overseeing like their small group ministry. Like, we would get the kids and break 'em up in groups	1967.4381
1999		1967.5826	and discussed what we learned in church	1969.0468
2001		1969.5364	and break it down. So	1970.4130
2003		1970.8362	I was doing creative things	1972.0532
2005		1972.4495	at the uh, youth ministry.	1973.8624
2007		1974.3427	Um, and I was teaching.	1975.6949
2008	DCB_int_01	1977.3211	And so then	1978.3889
2010		1979.2422	um-	1979.7132
2012		1979.8111	How long have you been married?	1980.6924
2013	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1981.1866	Uh, seven [years.]	1982.1892
2014	DCB_int_01	1982.0773	[Okay], so	1982.6741
2015		1982.8828	we're at the point where you almost met your wife now?	1985.1443
2016	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1985.1070	Yeah.	1985.3075
2017		1985.4520	[Almost.]	1985.7225
2018	DCB_int_01	1985.5500	[So how'd] that happen?	1986.2774
2019	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1986.8090	So I met her in the youth ministry.	1988.0473
2020	DCB_int_01	1988.1554	Oh.	1988.3139
2021	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1988.6170	<laugh>	1989.4843
2022	DCB_int_01	1989.5076	And I didn't know that.	1990.2343
2023	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	1990.3469	Yeah.	1990.8459
2025		1990.9485	Yeah, so	1991.5453
2027		1991.6432	she-	1991.9556
2029		1992.0582	she came from New Jersey.	1993.2053
2031		1993.7357	She-	1994.0450
2033		1994.1694	she um-	1995.1548
2035		1996.0392	she felt-	1996.4589
2037		1997.0977	she went into a time of fasting and prayer which is basically	1999.5410
2039		2000.1181	where you seek God for clarity on our life.	2001.8433
2041		2002.0019	You- you-	2002.5008
2043		2002.6127	you don't eat food for awhile,	2003.8344
2045		2003.9883	and you just go into some prayer.	2005.3219
2047		2005.8395	And she felt God calling her to move to Maryland.	2007.5589
2049		2008.3516	And it was crazy cause she doesn't have any family in Maryland. She's from New Jersey.	2011.5037
2051		2011.6203	Her fam- her family was like, what? Why you going to Maryland?	2013.7268
2053		2014.4262	But she went to Maryland. I tell her,	2015.7225
2055		2016.1375	everybody, she came to Maryland because I was here.	2017.9047
2057		2018.0994	<exhale>	2019.1113
2059		2020.5474	That's why she came.	2021.3914
2061		2021.7458	And so she came to Maryland,	2022.9675
2063		2023.4804	and	2023.7695
2065		2023.9933	she actually visited	2024.9714
2067		2025.1579	the church I was working at.	2026.2257
2069		2026.8832	And-	2027.3448
2071		2027.4567	and she started volunteering in the youth ministry where I was on staff at, and that's how we met.	2030.9014
2073		2031.5589	So we had a mutual connection to wanna see young people	2033.9230
2075		2034.3520	live better lives, l- ultimately live	2036.1845
2077		2036.3710	lives for Jesus Christ.	2037.3304
2079		2037.8107	And she's a teacher	2038.6827
2081		2039.1117	also. So she was teaching elementary school	2041.0421
2083		2041.6156	and working with teenagers	2042.8781
2085		2043.1346	in a volunteer basis.	2044.1511
2087		2044.6594	And I was teaching	2045.5360
2089		2045.6665	teenagers	2046.2494
2091		2046.7110	and working with them	2047.4478
2093		2047.7042	from a full time capacity on- on staff at the church.	2050.0374
2095		2050.4775	So	2050.8645
2097		2051.8437	that's how my wife /RD-NAME-2/ and I met,	2053.1447
2099		2053.7648	and um, after being friends and serving in ministry for about a year and a half,	2057.4800
2101		2057.6572	uh, we got married	2058.5898
2103		2059.1540	um, in uh, two thousand eight.	2060.7114
2105		2061.4423	And uh, yeah, been married seven years.	2062.8599
2106	DCB_int_01	2063.3495	When'd you move to DC?	2064.2914
2107	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2064.9955	We moved to DC in two thousand thirteen.	2066.8500
2109		2067.0087	So from two thousand eight to two thousand thirteen	2068.9345
2111		2069.9137	I moved from Forestville, and I was living in Upper Marlboro briefly	2073.2698
2113		2073.9692	um, cause I didn't wanna be anywhere near DC.	2075.6945
2115		2076.8509	You know?	2077.2659
2117		2077.4664	I was kind of like- if-	2078.5098
2119		2078.6403	if you're familiar with the story of um,	2080.3190
2121		2081.1629	uh,	2081.4008
2123		2081.5033	Jonah	2081.8764
2125		2081.9836	in the Bible.	2082.5059
2127		2082.9908	He really hated the Ninevites.	2084.4177
2129		2084.5237	I can't stand this city!	2086.2210
2131		2086.3982	I hate Nineveh!	2087.2888
2133		2087.9556	And you know, DC when I was growing up	2089.7136
2135		2090.4305	um, was you know, Chocolate City. It was the murder capital of the world. Choppa City.	2094.4499
2137		2095.0048	And my mom worked in DC Public Schools, so we would ride in DC, and I would duck	2098.4915
2139		2098.6127	in the back of the car.	2099.4474
2141		2099.9510	I would duck in the back of the car cause I didn't wanna get shot.	2101.7928
2143		2102.2440	That's how scared I was of DC.	2103.5309
2145		2104.7153	So I didn't wanna live th-	2105.4707
2147		2105.6106	I didn't wanna live anywhere near DC. We moved to Upper Marlboro briefly,	2108.0866
2149		2108.2813	but	2108.4212
2151		2108.5144	in Upper Marlboro from two thousand eight to two thousand thirteen,	2110.9112
2153		2111.8810	God started really moving on my heart to	2113.7275
2155		2114.5004	give me a burden for the city	2115.7175
2157		2116.1418	that I didn't wanna be in.	2117.0510
2159		2117.6386	And my heart got softened toward it	2119.2892
2161		2119.3918	to come and help	2120.0773
2163		2120.5890	and be a part of the solution.	2121.7594
2165		2122.9191	And so	2123.4460
2167		2123.9916	after much prayer,	2124.9288
2169		2125.7390	fasting, consideration-	2127.0120
2171		2127.2032	We some praying, fasting people.	2128.4434
2173		2129.1429	Uh, my wife and I	2130.2481
2175		2130.4579	uh, felt led by God to move from Upper Marlboro into DC,	2133.3617
2177		2133.8840	and that's when I resigned from my position as the youth	2136.3227
2179		2136.7004	minister	2137.2273
2181		2137.7204	at /RD-WORK-3/	2138.5597
2183		2139.0493	in two thousand thirteen	2140.0518
2185		2140.3176	because God wanted me to come to DC	2141.9916
2187		2142.5465	and uh, start /RD-WORK-5/	2144.3918
2189		2145.0866	um, here in /RD-WORK-5/.	2146.3083
2191		2146.8958	I didn't know it would be in /RD-WORK-5/ back then,	2148.7004
2193		2149.3065	but I knew that God wanted me to be	2151.0913
2195		2151.1752	out of Maryland	2152.2197
2197		2152.4808	and	2152.6487
2199		2152.7746	in-	2153.1896
2201		2153.5486	I wanted to- he wanted me to live where I lead.	2155.3205
2203		2155.8976	And so we do live here in the community	2157.3058
2205		2157.9912	um, about three minutes from um, /RD-WORK-5/ where we worship.	2160.7283
2207		2161.2412	So	2161.5770
2209		2162.2846	that's how we got to DC. We came in twenty thirteen.	2164.6067
2211		2165.1010	Uh, we were able to move here,	2166.7983
2213		2167.4919	and God miraculously worked it out. We were able to sell our home	2170.8492
2215		2171.5533	and move here	2173.0081
2217		2173.7297	and start doing ministry,	2175.4690
2219		2175.8094	and ever since then, we just been kind of	2177.8004
2221		2178.6864	seeing God's Grace.	2180.0060
2223		2180.5131	Um, people coming into the church.	2182.2990
2225		2182.4715	You know, we're able to help people physically and spiritually.	2184.9708
2227		2185.5910	We help feed people,	2186.6763
2229		2186.8535	give people clothing.	2187.8420
2231		2187.9492	We help people with their bills.	2189.2129
2233		2189.9263	Uh, of course we share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with them.	2192.4664
2235		2192.9187	We've seen people's lives change. People have gotten saved.	2195.2968
2237		2195.8564	People have-	2196.3040
2239		2196.4859	that were on drugs,	2197.5339
2241		2198.1074	people that were selling drugs, people that were in criminal activity,	2200.4528
2243		2201.0264	they're now, you know, tryna live their lives for Jesus.	2203.2646
2245		2203.8603	We have some people that have	2204.7089
2247		2204.8395	re-entered into society recently who come to the church,	2207.1942
2249		2207.3155	and then we have some very affluent people that come to this church.	2209.4744
2251		2210.0468	So we're just a big hybrid of um,	2212.1777
2253		2213.1383	social economic	2214.3133
2255		2214.9615	goodness	2215.5991
2257		2215.7810	<laugh>	2216.4151
2259		2216.6157	from different	2217.2358
2261		2217.6601	stages and areas of the DC Metropolitan area.	2220.1548
2263		2220.6910	And everybody gathers in the gym in /RD-WORK-5/.	2223.2871
2265		2223.8233	And the one thing we have in common is that we love God, and we-	2226.3040
2267		2226.4346	we have a love for each other.	2227.4184
2269		2227.9908	Even though we may have different skin tones, we may have different bank account	2231.3854
2271		2231.4880	state- uh, statuses,	2232.8869
2273		2233.3858	we may live in d- different size houses,	2235.2172
2275		2235.9679	we all have the same God, and so	2237.7118
2277		2238.4066	/RD-WORK-5/ is	2239.4977
2279		2240.3359	the vision that God gave me	2241.6648
2281		2241.9865	when he- when I felt him leading me to leave	2243.8704
2283		2244.3693	/RD-WORK-3/ and come to DC.	2245.7821
2285		2246.0141	<clears throat>	2246.3312
2287		2246.9001	And w- we've been worshipping	2248.2057
2289		2248.8026	at /RD-WORK-5/	2249.8610
2291		2250.0522	um, in /RD-WORK-5/	2251.3205
2293		2251.6924	since June twenty fourteen,	2253.0493
2295		2253.1519	so	2253.4083
2297		2253.6555	about a year and half now.	2254.5414
2298	DCB_int_01	2254.9471	So two questions. My first one is	2257.0641
2300		2257.6971	how-	2258.2473
2302		2259.0773	how were you led to Northeast	2260.9471
2303	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2261.0823	[Mm-hm.]	2261.4787
2304	DCB_int_01	2261.2315	[versus] Southeast, Northwest, [Southwest?]	2263.8428
2305	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2263.5210	[Oh] yeah.	2264.1119
2306	DCB_int_01	2264.4758	And then how did you end up at	2266.0658
2308		2266.1637	/RD-WORK-4/? Cause there's other community centers, [and so] those two things.	2270.2333
2309	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2268.6724	[Mm, yeah.]	2269.2273
2310		2270.3545	Yeah, um, we ended up in Northeast because-	2272.2710
2312		2272.3969	it was really- really full circle.	2273.7398
2314		2274.2387	Um,	2274.7330
2316		2275.5618	remember um, when earlier in the conversation I-	2277.4037
2318		2277.8140	I mentioned how I went to school at l-	2279.5206
2320		2279.6092	um, [/RD-SCHOOL-6/-]	2280.8029
2321	DCB_int_01	2280.4439	[Mm-hm.]	2280.8123
2322		2281.1014	Down the street.	2281.6280
2323	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2281.7250	Down the street from where I live now. <laugh>	2283.1659
2325		2283.9865	So	2284.3549
2327		2284.5321	when I was three years old, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/,	2286.5465
2329		2286.6444	and then when my sons- I have twin sons by the way. I didn't say that earlier.	2289.4301
2331		2289.8187	So my wife /RD-NAME-2/,	2290.9331
2333		2291.4460	we have twin sons, /RD-NAME-2/ and /RD-NAME-2/, so	2293.3345
2335		2294.0514	/RD-NAME-2/ and /RD-NAME-2/ were three	2295.2685
2337		2295.5063	when we moved to DC.	2296.3409
2339		2296.9378	So	2297.3201
2341		2297.7724	it was really full circle. Sometimes God does that. He'll-	2299.8008
2343		2300.1494	<clears throat>	2300.8115
2345		2301.3291	so it's kind of those markers of his testament.	2303.4973
2347		2303.5766	/RD-NAME-2/ you were three when you were in this land.	2305.4045
2348	DCB_int_01	2305.5339	Mm-hm.	2305.9442
2349	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2305.9442	If- your sons are three,	2306.9514
2350		2307.4456	living in the same community.	2308.4575
2352		2308.8632	So	2309.2409
2354		2310.3320	um,	2310.8216
2356		2311.3380	I had a friend that mine that lives	2312.5504
2358		2312.8908	on Fifty Fifth Street in Northeast.	2314.2244
2360		2314.6906	Um,	2315.1709
2362		2315.4833	he- he's my music engineer. He was um,	2317.3578
2364		2317.9582	mixing and mastering my music,	2319.2451
2366		2319.5296	so basically he was	2320.6207
2368		2320.9564	making it sound very polished	2322.4439
2370		2322.8449	so that I could um,	2323.7542
2372		2324.2333	you know,	2324.6203
2374		2325.1332	uh,	2325.4643
2376		2325.5669	make good quality music.	2326.6160
2378		2326.8725	He started getting sick	2327.6885
2380		2328.0755	um, on Fifty Fifth Street,	2329.2144
2382		2329.7484	and so we uh,	2330.7182
2384		2331.0446	took him in to our home in Upper Marlboro	2333.0124
2386		2333.5486	and his family,	2334.3646
2388		2334.7190	and uh,	2335.3159
2390		2335.6364	we just started growing our relationship.	2337.2172
2392		2337.5949	I was doing /RD-WORK-8/ projects on Fifty Fifth.	2340.1595
2394		2340.5978	Just	2340.7936
2396		2340.9557	kept coming back to the Lincoln Heights area, kept coming back to Lincoln Heights area.	2343.6881
2398		2344.1591	And that's at the same area I didn't wanna live in, but that's where I was from. I had went to school here.	2347.9966
2400		2348.8115	And I just- I didn't want my family around the violence that can be in the neighborhood and the trouble. I wanted to live a nice cushy life.	2355.1799
2402		2355.6788	Why can't I do ministry where it's all nice and peachy keen?	2358.8123
2404		2359.4499	And God just started breaking my heart, breaking my heart, breaking my heart.	2362.4668
2406		2362.8119	In two thousand seven,	2363.9030
2408		2364.3600	just before I got married,	2365.4511
2410		2365.7204	I went to Australia	2366.5877
2412		2367.3151	uh, and visited Hillsong Church in Australia,	2369.4787
2414		2369.9729	in B- Baulkham Hills-	2371.2086
2416		2371.4453	Baulkham Hills- Bauk- Hills.	2373.0540
2418		2373.3058	<ts>	2373.4456
2420		2374.5274	You can look up Hillsong. You'll find it.	2375.8937
2422		2376.1315	It's a big church in Australia.	2377.2972
2424		2377.7623	And there I had a vision	2378.9980
2426		2379.5342	that	2379.8606
2428		2379.9726	I was in DC and not in Upper Marlboro	2381.7258
2430		2382.8775	helping people.	2383.4791
2432		2383.9722	And so that was the start of it.	2384.8674
2434		2385.4830	From there I started getting promptings from God in my prayers,	2388.1921
2436		2388.6211	other revelations. Some of them came and prophesied to me	2391.2078
2438		2391.3524	about being bold, to go where God called me. I'm like,	2393.7584
2440		2393.9263	how do you know what God was telling me?	2395.5432
2442		2396.4385	Get out of here Prophet! <sigh>	2398.1684
2444		2398.4482	And a prophet is a person that hears from God and can give you	2400.6164
2446		2401.0967	a direct message	2401.9955
2448		2402.1214	if you don't know what a prophet is and you're listening to this recording.	2404.1684
2450		2405.0124	So after all this confirmation, I was like, okay, God,	2407.7520
2452		2408.2706	work on this hard heart cause I still don't wanna go.	2410.2570
2454		2410.7326	And what did it for me was my friend.	2412.3413
2456		2413.3473	You know, we took him in for four months, his wife and his daughter.	2415.7767
2458		2415.9259	We became their God- his G-	2417.0963
2460		2417.2688	his daughter's Godfather and mother,	2418.7796
2462		2419.6318	and God just softened my heart for the city.	2421.3757
2464		2422.4855	And uh,	2423.2315
2466		2423.5579	from there,	2424.2527
2468		2425.1713	God began to move me out of the comfort of working in,	2427.9912
2470		2428.7140	you know, the mega church in Upper Marlboro, /RD-WORK-3/, an awesome beautiful church.	2431.9500
2472		2432.9374	Um,	2433.3944
2474		2433.9399	but God had called me	2435.1663
2476		2435.6232	out of comfort	2436.3460
2478		2437.6504	into this place.	2438.5410
2480		2439.4363	And by God's Grace, we moved to Northeast	2441.6512
2482		2441.9776	because it's where I w-	2442.8915
2484		2443.0034	was- was when I was a kid.	2444.3405
2486		2444.4058	It's where	2444.8768
2488		2445.2218	God told me specifically he wanted us to go in Ward Seven. We didn't wanna go in the nice part of Northeast.	2449.3718
2490		2449.9395	Like when I say nice part I mean down New York Avenue where	2452.1964
2492		2452.9518	you see bigger houses. We wanted to be right in the middle of	2455.5164
2494		2455.8696	the challenges in- in the community.	2457.6508
2496		2458.4109	And by God's Grace we do have some amazing people in our neighborhood.	2461.1993
2498		2461.4359	You know, our neighborhood's not all	2462.5504
2500		2463.3897	what the media portrays it to be,	2464.7373
2502		2465.0730	but we do have some elements unfortunately of people who	2467.6423
2504		2468.7462	do things they shouldn't do.	2469.8513
2506		2471.1849	Um,	2471.7072
2508		2472.4392	and so God wants us right there	2474.3405
2510		2474.9094	to be a light in the midst of this- the darkness that surround us.	2477.9216
2512		2478.3506	So that's why we moved here into Ward Seven, right here,	2480.6716
2514		2481.0540	right off East Capitol Street.	2482.0378
2516		2482.6673	And um,	2483.4320
2518		2483.5813	that's where we are.	2484.3180
2520		2485.1433	And so um-	2486.0246
2522		2486.1820	so yeah, that's- that's-	2486.9048
2524		2487.2078	that's why we	2488.0145
2526		2488.1451	came to this neighborhood.	2489.7118
2528		2490.2854	Um, not to be the dun dun da dun! Saviors of- hey, we're here to save Ward Seven! No, Jesus is here to save Ward Seven.	2495.9916
2530		2496.4346	We're just vessels that he's using	2497.9640
2532		2498.4711	to- to be light in a dark place, to be salt where there's no flavor.	2501.5020
2534		2501.9823	Or there's a lack of flavor.	2503.1060
2536		2503.3100	There are many churches here in the neighborhood, and we been connecting with them.	2505.9073
2538		2506.6394	But um, we know God called us here to come along side them and help.	2509.5630
2540		2510.1867	So we don't think we're the big dog coming in. We don't think we're the super super church.	2514.2807
2542		2514.6304	We don't think we know it all.	2515.7122
2544		2515.8136	We just wanna come along what God's already been doing and- and	2518.0612
2546		2518.1871	play our part.	2518.7000
2548		2519.7958	You asked me another question.	2520.6351
2550		2520.7750	What was the [s-]	2521.1713
2551	DCB_int_01	2521.0268	[How'd] you end up	2521.5583
2552		2521.6784	inside /RD-WORK-5/?	2522.8721
2553	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2522.8908	Oh yes!	2523.5669
2555		2524.5647	So I didn't know where we would be worshipping	2526.3366
2557		2526.6770	with /RD-WORK-5/, so we were just-	2528.0806
2559		2528.7742	I went to- knocked on doors. I asked principals.	2531.5579
2561		2531.8704	I said, hey,	2532.4019
2563		2533.4686	would you mind a church being in here?	2534.5690
2565		2534.8441	Yes I would.	2535.5156
2566	DCB_int_01	2535.6368	[<laugh>]	2537.0124
2567	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2536.1124	[Mm-hm, so you know.]	2537.0357
2568		2537.8983	[Lot of-]	2538.3040
2569	DCB_int_01	2537.9123	[<cough>]	2538.3180
2570	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2538.6024	A lot of people didn't want a church in their building for different reasons. They got to be responsible for them if something breaks,	2544.5651
2572		2544.6351	blase	2544.9382
2574		2545.0547	blah.	2545.6842
2576		2546.1913	The- so it's- in DCPS, it's all about whatever the principal says,	2548.9891
2578		2550.2481	and principals just weren't responding to emails, phone calls, in person	2554.0798
2580		2554.7140	visitations.	2555.7165
2582		2556.2714	Um, and so, I just began praying. I would drive around Ward Seven DC and just pray. I'd say, God, will you just show me?	2561.7818
2584		2561.9729	Just show me God, where.	2562.9475
2586		2563.4872	So I got a phone call from a friend	2564.7369
2588		2565.9586	who used to uh, pastor a church that was in /RD-WORK-5/.	2568.6677
2590		2569.5257	Um, and they stopped having services in uh, /RD-WORK-6/	2573.0777
2592		2573.6652	/RD-WORK-4/ back in two thousand twelve.	2575.5572
2594		2575.6737	And he said, hey /RD-NAME-2/, I know you're looking for a building, man.	2577.6974
2596		2578.1871	Well have you thought about /RD-WORK-5/	2579.5020
2598		2579.8983	/RD-WORK-6/	2580.8309
2600		2580.9661	on Benning Road?	2581.4966
2602		2582.1773	I said, you know,	2582.7229
2604		2584.0145	I had thought about it, but	2585.2269
2606		2586.3040	man,	2586.7330
2608		2587.0629	I guess I didn't think enough about it.	2588.0001
2610		2588.9840	So	2589.3058
2612		2589.4969	came in,	2590.0425
2614		2590.7140	met with the interim director at the time,	2592.8169
2616		2593.6691	and uh, did a- did a walk through,	2595.2032
2618		2595.2824	prayed about it,	2595.9446
2620		2596.9658	and felt the peace of God to- hey, say,	2599.4045
2622		2600.1214	we're gonna be here.	2600.7882
2624		2601.4643	And we've been here since June twenty fourteen,	2604.0149
2626		2604.8869	and uh, I'm so glad we're here.	2606.4012
2628		2606.9001	Cause it's a great place, and um-	2608.5088
2630		2608.8538	you know, great staff, great people.	2610.1175
2632		2610.9988	And everybody knows what it- where it is.	2613.1985
2634		2614.1684	You know, it-	2614.5181
2636		2615.3761	some of the buildings we were looking for,	2616.8123
2638		2617.9862	kind of in the cut-	2619.2358
2640		2619.4690	or we were looking at rather- were like, in the cut, kind of off to the side.	2622.9102
2642		2623.4371	The school was up in the- in the neighborhood	2625.2172
2644		2625.5902	but	2625.7581
2646		2626.3083	/RD-WORK-10/- whenever I tell people we worship in the /RD-WORK-2/- oh, /RD-WORK-4/? Oh yeah, man!	2631.3104
2648		2631.7441	I know where that is!	2632.4202
2650		2632.6906	That's by the police station.	2633.5067
2652		2634.0662	You know, my cousin	2634.6957
2654		2634.8263	got locked up.	2635.4977
2656		2635.8276	Just joking.	2636.2286
2658		2636.6903	But	2636.8954
2660		2637.1286	people- people say things-	2638.6533
2662		2639.0124	people know where this is. It's a landmark. It's a staple in the community.	2642.0106
2664		2642.4151	And it's so many families here that we get to partner with, so we get to do	2645.1476
2666		2645.6605	some different um,	2646.7190
2668		2647.1247	things for the kids here.	2648.1913
2670		2648.4804	Um,	2648.7882
2672		2649.3011	during the holidays, you know,	2650.6347
2674		2650.7233	back to school stuff we try to partner with the /RD-WORK-2/.	2652.7889
2676		2653.5583	So it's- it's so great to-	2654.6250
2678		2654.7323	w- when you come to a community to try to help families,	2657.1523
2680		2657.4263	and you got so many h- families that already come to the building that you worship in, it's like,	2660.7556
2682		2661.5530	thank you God.	2662.1871
2684		2662.6627	People already here to help. <laugh>	2664.1490
2686		2664.6806	Don't have to go knocking on doors. They already coming in. So	2666.8768
2688		2667.3105	that's how we got to /RD-WORK-5/, and	2668.8865
2690		2669.3190	that's how /RD-WORK-5/	2670.3775
2692		2671.4780	got started and-	2672.2753
2694		2672.7649	You know, wanted- we wanted to come along side churches that are already doing work here	2675.8180
2696		2676.2889	and just do our part.	2677.1143
2698		2677.5246	And we wanted to live where we lead.	2679.2732
2700		2679.5296	We didn't wanna live somewhere	2680.6114
2702		2681.5615	else. We wanted to be right in the midst	2683.5013
2704		2683.5666	of	2684.0282
2706		2684.5131	where	2685.1007
2708		2685.6835	um, the community is, where the people are that we wanna serve and help, so.	2688.8671
2709	DCB_int_01	2690.3406	So	2690.6810
2711		2690.9048	I'm gonna	2691.2488
2713		2691.5903	kind of shift gears a little bit.	2693.2258
2714	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2693.2398	Okay.	2693.4543
2715	DCB_int_01	2694.0185	Um,	2694.6060
2717		2695.3054	when you think about DC,	2696.7276
2719		2696.9375	after much	2697.8421
2721		2699.0812	anguish and	2700.0278
2723		2700.5594	heartache and	2701.3987
2725		2701.5759	finally you broke down, and God was like, move, and you were like, [okay] God,	2704.3596
2726	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2703.7022	[Yeah.]	2703.8747
2727	DCB_int_01	2704.4995	I'm [moving.]	2705.1010
2728	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2704.6487	[Yeah.]	2704.8353
2729	DCB_int_01	2706.3402	Have you-	2706.8718
2731		2707.1469	so let's talk about your experience in DC. Have you been a tourist in your town?	2711.0601
2732	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2711.3797	[<laugh>]	2712.1444
2733	DCB_int_01	2711.9206	[You know] people come from all over the [world and all over the] country to come see the monuments and [do all this touristy] stuff	2717.3482
2734	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2713.6179	[Yeah.]	2714.2893
2736		2716.1405	[Yeah, yeah.]	2716.8399
2737		2717.3843	[<laugh>]	2717.6950
2738	DCB_int_01	2717.6175	[and] you're down the street.	2718.4661
2739	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2718.7319	I know. That's- that's the- that's the	2720.5784
2741		2720.7230	common thing with so many of my friends.	2722.4669
2743		2722.8306	We say that. /You know/, I haven't been to this monument, I haven't been to that.	2725.6085
2745		2725.8976	I would ride past it, but to actually	2727.4364
2747		2728.1871	catch the Metro and go do a day	2730.2749
2749		2730.3822	in DC?	2731.0630
2751		2732.2613	No.	2732.5971
2753		2733.0587	<laugh> It's sad, isn't it?	2733.9540
2755		2734.4715	I have not been a tourist in my own city.	2736.0511
2757		2736.8205	Um,	2737.3241
2759		2737.7857	I haven't,	2738.2194
2761		2738.5225	and it's- it's sad.	2739.4271
2763		2739.5949	I think because	2740.3736
2765		2740.5042	it's so close,	2741.2409
2767		2741.8366	the awe factor's not there.	2743.2588
2769		2743.7344	I have been to some of the museums and things like that like the Holocaust Museum. I been to the	2747.9345
2771		2748.3775	Air and Space, the Smithsonian, things like that.	2750.5971
2773		2751.0867	But	2751.3898
2775		2752.3876	like, I haven't made it to some of the ones I really wanna get to. Like, I haven't been to the Martin Luther King one yet.	2756.1354
2777		2756.3499	You know?	2756.7416
2779		2757.3898	Um,	2757.9586
2781		2758.2058	I haven't like,	2758.6907
2783		2758.8947	been at the White House.	2760.0371
2785		2760.3542	I've drove-	2760.6713
2787		2760.8205	driven- you know, driven past it so many times, but-	2762.6903
2789		2763.2545	like, this-	2763.7674
2791		2764.2524	well I've driven past the Martin Luther King statue. Like, yo, that's what's up. But the monument- but like,	2767.9676
2793		2769.2592	the tourist thing is not	2770.6114
2795		2771.2957	there	2771.8599
2797		2772.7925	for me.	2773.1935
2799		2773.9349	But w- I probably should do that.	2775.0633
2801		2775.5390	It's getting kind of	2775.9866
2803		2776.1265	cold now, but I probably should do it.	2777.6081
2804	DCB_int_01	2777.6734	Go at night. It's so much better at night. [I pro-]	2780.1914
2805	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2779.7111	[Oh yeah?]	2780.1028
2806		2780.4385	Oh cause everything's lit up.	2781.2079
2807	DCB_int_01	2781.5203	It's lit up, but there's just this kind of	2783.5847
2809		2784.6480	awe	2785.3754
2811		2785.8137	and this	2786.8628
2813		2787.0633	like, reverence of like, knowing you're in greatness	2789.5102
2815		2789.6408	[but]	2789.8320
2816	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2789.7201	[Yeah], yeah [yeah.]	2790.4894
2817	DCB_int_01	2790.2563	[thinking] about the struggle- It's just-	2791.7158
2818	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2791.7624	Mm-hm.	2792.1961
2819	DCB_int_01	2792.4292	The reflective	2793.4037
2820	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2793.4597	Yeah.	2793.7488
2821	DCB_int_01	2793.8187	moment, [it was just-]	2795.3155
2822	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2794.5788	[Uh-huh.]	2794.9658
2823		2795.7807	[<laugh>]	2796.5127
2824	DCB_int_01	2795.7947	[I can't- And I went] the same day. I went in the daytime and at night [on the very] same day.	2799.5017
2825	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2798.5038	[Oh, wow.]	2799.0773
2826		2799.6415	It was [different.]	2800.2058
2827	DCB_int_01	2799.8794	[The- I don't know] how that happened.	2800.9472
2828	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2801.2398	<laugh>	2801.6361
2829	DCB_int_01	2801.8133	And I felt totally different when I went back that night	2804.0748
2830	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2804.1401	Yeah yeah.	2804.6297
2831	DCB_int_01	2804.9514	than I did in the day.	2805.9773
2832	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2806.1172	Wow.	2806.4109
2833	DCB_int_01	2806.9647	Um,	2807.3237
2834	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2807.3284	[Yeah.]	2807.6035
2835	DCB_int_01	2807.5009	[so] most definitely take some time, [even] if you're not- well, maybe now it's cold. But you know how	2811.8327
2836	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2809.3474	[Mm.]	2809.5386
2837	DCB_int_01	2812.2571	you have community group? That could be a	2814.3084
2838	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2814.2516	Oh [yeah.]	2815.0163
2839	DCB_int_01	2814.6060	[great]	2815.0303
2840	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2815.5246	[Outing.]	2815.8743
2841	DCB_int_01	2815.5246	[like]	2815.8417
2842		2816.4478	reflective [time]	2817.7385
2843	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2817.4364	[Yeah.]	2817.7954
2844	DCB_int_01	2818.4016	um, [just] to change it up,	2819.7527
2845	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2818.7047	[Mm.]	2818.8726
2846		2820.0092	Yeah, [that'd be good.]	2820.7412
2847	DCB_int_01	2820.1957	[but it's getting] a little-	2821.2168
2848		2821.4034	It's like fifty- It's [getting a little brisk]	2822.8431
2849	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2822.0841	[<laugh>]	2824.0612
2850	DCB_int_01	2823.0027	[being out there. I don't know.]	2823.9819
2851		2824.1125	We might have to wait til [spring to do that one.]	2825.6688
2852	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2824.9740	[/I should/ wait, right?]	2825.7014
2853		2826.2703	[<laugh>]	2827.6691
2854	DCB_int_01	2826.3309	[Um,]	2826.9977
2855		2827.7857	so what about-	2828.6996
2857		2828.8209	what [about]	2829.4550
2858	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2829.1007	[<laugh>]	2829.4597
2859	DCB_int_01	2829.6089	um-	2829.9306
2861		2830.0845	I know y- okay.	2830.7700
2863		2831.1139	This is what I think is really interesting,	2832.8345
2864	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2833.0397	[Mm-hm.]	2833.2355
2865	DCB_int_01	2833.1003	[and this] is what I was telling /RD-NAME-2/	2834.4572
2866	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2834.7742	Mm-hm.	2835.0494
2867	DCB_int_01	2835.3151	is um,	2836.7653
2869		2838.0977	<ts>	2838.1537
2871		2838.2470	I love the fact that you	2839.3194
2873		2839.5106	didn't come in and say, we need to build this big building.	2841.6695
2874	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2841.8794	[Oh yeah.]	2842.3596
2875	DCB_int_01	2841.8887	[But we gonna] just meet the people where they are, and [we're gonna] take 'em where	2844.9790
2876	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2843.9905	[Yeah.]	2844.2470
2877		2845.2961	[Mm-hm.]	2845.5992
2878	DCB_int_01	2845.3940	[God] sees fit.	2846.2846
2879	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2846.4572	Mm-hm.	2846.7509
2880	DCB_int_01	2847.0214	And you go out and do street ministry- can you think of some-	2849.5289
2882		2849.6781	some times- some- [some] stories- some	2852.1448
2883	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2850.6293	[Mm-hm.]	2850.9277
2884	DCB_int_01	2852.4478	interesting moments that you've had kind of being out in the community?	2855.3761
2885	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2855.5895	Yeah.	2855.7667
2886	DCB_int_01	2855.8599	Good, bad, [otherwise.]	2857.2308
2887	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2856.9417	[Yeah yeah.]	2857.2728
2888		2858.3219	Um,	2858.8442
2890		2859.4644	yeah, so being in the community, doing ministry out-	2861.9299
2892		2862.3356	we do a lot of outreach,	2863.4920
2894		2863.9303	um,	2864.3872
2896		2864.8489	w- and basically	2865.9120
2898		2866.4529	we'll um, give away groceries,	2868.4241
2900		2868.9650	uh, give away lunches,	2870.4059
2902		2870.5598	uh,	2870.8628
2904		2871.4970	answer biblical questions from um, a- a	2873.4496
2906		2873.5895	PA system outside.	2874.8764
2908		2875.6645	Um,	2876.1494
2910		2877.0960	and- and so one of the instances that comes to mind-	2879.1803
2912		2879.6035	there was a lady- We were on Minnesota Avenue in front of the Unity Health Care Center,	2882.9701
2913	DCB_int_01	2883.1566	Mm, mm-hm.	2883.5576
2914	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2883.9680	and uh, I was on the back of a- a Uhaul truck that we rented	2887.5759
2916		2888.3593	to uh,	2888.9654
2918		2889.4783	<ts>	2889.5763
2920		2889.7535	haul the gas generator that was powering the sound system outside. So we turned the back of a pickup into a stage.	2894.7183
2922		2895.7488	We were facing um,	2896.9658
2924		2897.1885	a kind of hot spot area	2898.6386
2926		2899.1096	where, you know, a lot of people hang out.	2900.5831
2928		2900.9328	It's been prone to have some criminal activity happening.	2902.9238
2930		2903.6454	And so we intentionally pointed these speakers right	2906.2940
2932		2906.6344	toward the liquor store, the bus stop, the McDonalds. And we were like, hey,	2909.8553
2934		2910.7272	we giving away some gift cards	2912.3668
2936		2912.7090	if you- if uh- if I can answer your question	2914.8726
2938		2914.9985	about the Bible.	2915.7294
2940		2916.3122	So we did like a sweepstakes where we um-	2918.0655
2942		2918.3593	you had to write down a question	2919.4737
2944		2919.7535	about-	2919.9540
2946		2920.0705	from the B- the-	2920.7187
2948		2920.9378	about the Bible that you wanted me to answer,	2922.2796
2950		2923.0443	and if it was	2923.6691
2952		2924.0142	p- picked- I would randomly select, and you'd get a gift card.	2926.2664
2954		2926.3643	And we gave away thirty five gift cards	2927.9625
2956		2928.5034	to help people,	2929.1376
2958		2929.3894	in addition to about three hundred lunches that day.	2931.1333
2960		2931.8700	And um,	2932.6114
2962		2932.9880	one lady in particular,	2934.1957
2964		2935.2262	she was just heckling me.	2936.2427
2966		2936.4991	She was heckling me like,	2937.3571
2968		2938.0472	oh,	2938.4016
2970		2938.5741	oh he's scared to answer my question,	2940.3216
2972		2940.4894	my /blankety/ blank question.	2941.5992
2974		2942.0282	Oh he /blankety/ blank out of his mind.	2943.7814
2976		2944.5508	And so she was just kind of	2945.6221
2978		2945.7713	like heckling, heckling. I could tell she was	2947.5153
2980		2947.6785	you know, high on some type of drug.	2949.0913
2982		2949.8514	And um,	2950.6161
2984		2950.7746	so	2951.0637
2986		2951.6641	I talked to her	2952.4568
2988		2953.0117	and basically found out that	2954.9048
2990		2955.4271	her-	2955.6555
2992		2956.0192	her brother was killed.	2957.3797
2994		2958.2703	Um,	2958.7785
2996		2959.1469	and her question was you know, how do you forgive somebody	2961.6509
2998		2962.2804	who had your brother killed?	2963.7760
3000		2964.5873	Um, cause I wanna go kill the girl-	2966.2147
3002		2966.4898	that- the-	2966.8768
3004		2967.0074	my brother's ex girlfriend who had him killed.	2969.0031
3006		2970.4381	And so I talked to her about God's forgiveness and how God has forgiven her of so much,	2973.9120
3008		2974.0752	and that God's wrath has not come down upon her	2976.2236
3010		2976.6013	to the point of bringing her to death	2977.8090
3012		2978.2660	and that he's given her time to repent.	2979.7348
3014		2980.3771	And so as	2981.2071
3016		2981.4869	you have been forgiven, you should also forgive.	2983.3381
3018		2984.2846	And um,	2985.0680
3020		2985.9073	from there, one of our- one of our leaders prayed with her,	2988.4708
3021	DCB_int_01	2988.5687	Mm.	2988.7925
3022	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	2989.0443	and she just started crying.	2990.5458
3024		2991.3478	And just- just to see	2992.5508
3026		2992.9833	the love of Christ in-	2994.2843
3028		2994.6713	w- when the-	2995.1982
3030		2995.3241	when the Bible's articulated and you see	2997.4690
3032		2997.8980	God's word seep into a hard heart	3000.1304
3034		3001.0117	and turn that person,	3002.0702
3036		3002.7696	change the way they think. You know the- the word repent means to change the way you think.	3005.9112
3038		3006.5780	Um, w- another time we- we were on Division Avenue	3009.1286
3040		3009.7628	at Marvin Gaye Park.	3010.7793
3042		3012.1490	We partner with McLain Bible Church, and w- uh- we do a big	3014.9001
3044		3014.9981	carnival- back to school carnival and concert	3017.0206
3046		3017.8366	every year. We've done it for three years now, so	3019.7764
3048		3020.4245	got like,	3021.0027
3050		3021.3758	uh, moon bounce and rock climbing walls and	3024.0914
3052		3024.1781	pony rides and	3025.1391
3054		3025.3954	just turned Marvin Gaye Park into a carnival	3027.1460
3056		3027.4180	and a concert.	3028.0843
3058		3028.7585	And um,	3029.5944
3060		3030.4489	in the middle of the concert	3031.4267
3062		3031.7145	I was sharing the-	3032.3059
3064		3032.4163	the message of Jesus Christ, the love of God,	3034.1353
3066		3035.0806	and um,	3035.7784
3068		3036.5276	it was a drunk guy	3037.4541
3070		3037.9785	uh, who was like-	3039.1494
3072		3039.7438	I said, you know the bad news is we all deserve to go to Hell.	3041.6875
3074		3042.1804	And he was like, no, no no! Not the babies, not the babies.	3045.5543
3076		3045.9722	Not the babies.	3046.7016
3078		3047.4428	He was shaking his cane at me, and some people were looking at me upset because	3050.6512
3080		3051.3058	you know the- the Bible teaches us that we've all sinned and we all deserve God's judgement,	3054.6719
3082		3055.4486	even the little ones. We all deserve God's judgement.	3057.4238
3084		3057.7895	That's bad news. But the good news is- so when I shared the good news,	3060.7268
3086		3061.2118	that- that he gives us a way	3062.5523
3088		3062.8795	to escape the judgement we deserve by putting our faith in Jesus Christ,	3066.0248
3090		3066.6043	um,	3067.1800
3092		3068.1972	you know that guy will raise his hand for salvation.	3069.9901
3094		3070.2543	So	3070.5618
3096		3071.1138	to see people	3072.2572
3098		3072.5765	who are very hostile toward	3074.2393
3100		3074.5705	God,	3075.0318
3102		3075.9268	in a moment,	3076.5024
3104		3076.7429	<snap>	3076.8730
3106		3077.9494	God does something in their conscience	3079.6753
3108		3080.3456	where they are- they are awakened. <snap>	3081.4416
3110		3081.6663	You know the Bible says, awake O sleeper,	3083.2710
3112		3083.7668	rise from the dead	3084.6145
3114		3084.9260	that I may shine upon you. You see somebody's conscience get awakened, like	3087.8317
3116		3088.3403	<snap>	3088.4507
3118		3088.6873	I was dead in my sin,	3089.7193
3120		3089.8770	I was lost in my sin, and now	3091.3216
3122		3092.2978	I'm made alive in Christ. I can see him.	3094.0710
3124		3094.2366	Man.	3094.5599
3126		3094.9226	I w- Uh, that song, Amazing Grace,	3096.6061
3128		3096.8742	how sweet the sound.	3097.7968
3130		3098.1122	Save the rest like me.	3098.9914
3132		3099.3177	I once was lost, but now am found, was blind	3101.5374
3134		3102.1722	but now I see. Like, that song is amazing because that what's happens	3105.3614
3136		3105.6447	when a person is converted, when a person goes from being a sinner,	3108.0340
3138		3108.5268	on their way to hell,	3109.2168
3140		3109.6298	to a person who is a saint	3110.7377
3142		3110.9860	on their way to heaven	3111.6800
3144		3112.0979	because of their faith in Jesus Christ.	3113.4226
3146		3113.7025	So,	3114.0613
3148		3115.0854	those are some of my golden moments,	3116.6619
3150		3117.2468	seeing people's	3118.4604
3152		3119.0399	eyes open	3119.9655
3153	DCB_int_01	3120.3046	[Mm.]	3120.4583
3154	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3120.3124	[to] understand who God is	3121.8146
3155		3122.2167	and-	3122.3153
3157		3122.4454	and to have an opportunity to talk about the misconceptions.	3125.4096
3159		3125.7918	One last thing I'll share is a woman	3127.0653
3161		3127.6803	uh, spoke to me recently and	3129.2377
3163		3129.6743	thought that she would go to hell because she use marijuana,	3132.0596
3165		3132.7930	you know, for medicinal purposes, and I was explaining to her that you know-	3135.7529
3167		3136.4114	you know,	3136.9318
3169		3137.3024	you didn't earn your way into heaven.	3138.5522
3171		3138.7020	You know, salvation's a free gift, and so she thought she was going to hell because she had hepatitis C,	3142.9177
3173		3143.6594	and her doctor prescribed her to take-	3145.1148
3175		3145.4736	drink marijuana	3146.3922
3177		3146.9363	uh, in doses.	3148.0203
3179		3148.4897	And uh, I said, you know the use of medication	3151.0988
3181		3151.5483	to help your body-	3152.4551
3183		3152.8296	if you're not abusing that medication, you're not in sin.	3154.9429
3185		3155.4072	You know, we take percocets and all that kind of stuff, but if you're abusing percocets, you're damaging your temple. And the Bi- The Bible says your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.	3161.7499
3187		3162.1600	So just	3162.4474
3189		3162.8066	breaking down misconceptions that people have like, if I do this thing, I'm going to hell.	3166.4802
3191		3166.8784	If I do that thing, I'm going to hell.	3168.1873
3193		3168.5146	You know, versus	3169.2361
3195		3169.5752	no you've done enough to	3170.6072
3197		3170.7964	earn your way into hell already.	3171.8964
3199		3172.2907	But when you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead,	3175.9130
3201		3176.4334	you are saved	3177.3600
3203		3177.7779	by faith in Jesus Christ. It's- it's- it's a undeserved gift	3180.8680
3205		3180.9626	God gives you. You didn't earn your way into heaven anyway.	3183.1902
3206	DCB_int_01	3183.7816	Mm.	3183.9196
3207	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3184.1561	And then when you are saved,	3185.3340
3209		3185.4641	God leads you on that path of righteousness, and it's not that you're not going to make mistakes or fall into sin,	3189.6315
3211		3190.0692	but God, his job is to help you	3191.4560
3213		3191.7596	stay up and stay focused	3192.9542
3215		3193.2775	as you keep walking.	3194.0109
3217		3194.1370	So explaining things like that to people	3195.8511
3219		3196.2558	who think that	3196.8092
3221		3197.4242	they can like lose their salvation or	3199.0407
3223		3199.4586	fall off the salvation ship	3200.8810
3225		3201.1372	<laugh>	3201.3502
3227		3201.6735	because,	3202.0874
3229		3202.5014	oh,	3202.7104
3231		3202.8760	I did this.	3203.4477
3233		3203.7079	Well I guess I deserve to go to hell now.	3205.1430
3235		3205.2840	Well you've always deserved to go to hell.	3206.3721
3236	DCB_int_01	3206.4746	<laugh>	3207.0030
3237	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3207.1212	But	3207.4327
3239		3208.0990	that's the bad news.	3208.8915
3241		3208.9664	The [good news] is	3209.8456
3242	DCB_int_01	3209.1478	[Right.]	3209.3488
3243	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3210.2271	Jesus died once and for all, so you don't have to.	3212.2654
3245		3212.6676	So when we explain that to people,	3214.1146
3247		3215.2422	and to see those misconceptions break down, those are my golden moments.	3218.0089
3248	DCB_int_01	3218.0838	Mm-hm.	3218.4360
3249	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3218.6595	Those are my golden moments cause people are awakened to	3220.7491
3251		3221.0675	<snap>	3221.1818
3253		3221.3277	truth.	3221.7574
3255		3222.0768	It's like, ah, I get it now.	3223.3700
3257		3223.5553	That makes sense.	3224.2965
3259		3224.8603	You know?	3225.1521
3261		3225.2782	So.	3225.4990
3262	DCB_int_01	3226.3930	Okay, I know we have um,	3227.8006
3264		3228.4393	just a little more time so	3229.6181
3266		3229.8232	couple other thing.	3230.7962
3267	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3230.9468	Mm-hm.	3231.1715
3268	DCB_int_01	3231.5688	There are two things that are very unique to DC. Well, there's a couple things, [but two] things.	3235.4562
3269	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3234.7426	[Mm.]	3234.9122
3270		3235.5864	Mm-hm.	3235.8347
3271	DCB_int_01	3236.3897	Go go music.	3237.1427
3272	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3237.4621	Yeah.	3237.8485
3274		3238.1284	Yeah yeah yeah.	3238.7159
3275	DCB_int_01	3238.9524	What does that mean to you? Do you like it? Do you not like it?	3241.3328
3276	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3241.3407	Yeah.	3241.7468
3278		3242.4722	You know, I- I-	3243.0558
3280		3243.3712	go go music had to grow on me because	3245.4187
3282		3245.7092	growing up as a kid,	3246.7254
3284		3247.4863	uh, I remember being in- in /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary School	3249.7849
3286		3250.0294	and hearing um,	3250.8958
3288		3251.7671	Doing da butt. (singing)	3252.7606
3290		3252.8750	<sings>	3253.7818
3292		3253.8843	<sings>	3254.4166
3294		3254.5506	<sings>	3255.5284
3296		3255.6270	<sings>	3256.0212
3298		3256.5367	You know, Spike Lee's um, School Days, and I was like, that's tight.	3259.5653
3300		3259.9708	<sings>	3261.4178
3302		3261.6612	<sings>	3261.9372
3304		3262.0594	<sings>	3262.2763
3306		3262.8125	So you know,	3263.4473
3308		3263.5695	that was hot.	3264.0860
3310		3264.7523	But um, you know, EU, that's, you know, shout out to them.	3266.7502
3312		3267.2194	But um,	3267.8108
3314		3269.0370	um,	3269.4628
3316		3269.5495	it was just good	3270.4287
3318		3270.7875	to	3271.3356
3320		3271.7446	to- to really	3272.5332
3322		3273.4991	experience a unique sound	3275.8844
3324		3276.1092	from our city.	3277.0820
3326		3278.0085	Um,	3278.3161
3328		3278.4856	and then as I	3279.0652
3330		3279.4634	got older, go go music	3280.9734
3332		3281.3953	started not being so original.	3283.0581
3334		3283.4208	It was just	3283.9373
3336		3284.7180	taking	3285.2778
3338		3286.0545	hip hop or rap music	3287.1536
3340		3287.2758	and just	3287.6504
3342		3288.0919	repeating chants, repeating chants, repeating chants, repeating chants.	3291.3367
3344		3291.5378	Repeat this rap hook. Repeat this rap hook.	3293.2874
3346		3293.4136	I'm'a repeat this rap hook.	3294.6437
3348		3295.2863	And it just started losing its	3296.9501
3350		3297.6115	um,	3298.1477
3352		3298.6248	creativi-	3299.1531
3354		3299.2911	creative edge and a- and original edge to me.	3301.3097
3356		3301.7543	I really like you know, Chuck Brown. He- he has some original music. You know,	3304.9202
3358		3305.5077	um, but some of the newer bands just weren't really doing it for me.	3308.2666
3360		3308.8501	And then um,	3309.9186
3362		3310.6834	then I got exposed to gospel go go music.	3312.7205
3364		3313.2886	So, they call it three g.	3314.3452
3366		3315.0115	And gospel go go is so cool to me	3317.0183
3368		3317.4826	um, because	3318.4288
3370		3318.7797	you have people,	3319.5604
3372		3319.8600	so- so you have	3320.7313
3374		3321.2991	um,	3321.8028
3376		3322.0827	American culture,	3323.0289
3378		3324.1841	then you have, you know, hip hop culture which is a subculture.	3326.4670
3380		3327.1175	Um, and then you have go go culture, which is also a subculture of American culture.	3330.6767
3382		3330.9054	Then you got gospel go go culture.	3332.4549
3384		3333.1281	And so gospel go go culture are people who are saved. They love Jesus Christ,	3336.8579
3386		3337.2640	but their music,	3338.2447
3388		3338.8598	um,	3339.2304
3390		3339.3723	it- it-	3339.6444
3392		3339.7626	it's a genre	3340.8153
3394		3341.3594	style	3341.9942
3396		3342.5649	of go go	3343.3022
3398		3343.4481	but it's- it's gospel music.	3344.9542
3400		3345.4628	And just	3345.8827
3402		3345.9832	the worship of God- worshipping God to the congos and the timbales.	3349.2546
3404		3350.1890	So I say that to say	3351.1392
3406		3351.6242	go go	3352.4679
3408		3352.5497	is a unique flavor,	3353.7286
3410		3354.9823	and it goes through its moments.	3356.7447
3412		3357.2021	Like right now	3357.8487
3414		3358.0921	go go is kind of in a dry spell right now.	3359.6731
3416		3359.7993	Not a lot of people like it.	3360.6233
3418		3361.3803	But it's kind of like when I used to eat chicken. I'm a pescatarian now, but when I would eat chicken, I would eat Chick-fil-A all the time.	3366.6034
3420		3367.1001	And I would eat Chick fil- chicken Chick-fil-A all the time	3369.3386
3422		3369.6934	to the point I got tired of it.	3370.7659
3424		3371.4913	But then	3371.9053
3426		3372.4533	after two weeks of no Chick-fil-A,	3373.7771
3428		3374.2502	I want that chicken again. I'm'a go	3375.4251
3430		3375.5473	back to that chicken.	3376.3398
3432		3376.7459	So as much as people	3377.6488
3434		3378.7636	like go go then don't like it. Some like it then don't like it.	3381.4130
3436		3381.8073	This is the one place you can go to get go go,	3383.5490
3438		3383.9393	so when you wanna like it again, it'll be here waiting on you.	3386.2813
3440		3387.1881	But yeah, um,	3387.9293
3442		3388.8115	go go in of itself, it can be very misogynistic. It can be very explicit.	3392.5925
3444		3393.0765	Uh, a lot of profanity,	3394.2553
3446		3394.4051	just like, you know, hip hop music,	3395.5406
3448		3396.0689	uh, which it-	3396.5066
3450		3396.6130	which a lot of the	3397.2557
3452		3397.3858	go go bands get their	3398.4424
3454		3398.8002	hooks from.	3399.3167
3456		3399.4863	Not a lot of original stuff,	3400.4640
3458		3400.9766	just	3401.2447
3460		3402.0293	take something from a rapper	3403.1490
3462		3403.3452	and repeat it repeat it, make a chant, repeat it, repeat it. Make your booty bounce!	3406.2903
3464		3406.5269	Repeat it, repeat it, repeat it.	3407.3548
3466		3407.9896	Versus the gospel go go music, they w- they would take some Christian music	3411.0718
3468		3411.3912	and do some things. And I've seen some gospel g- gospel go go bands do original music too.	3414.7060
3470		3415.2185	So	3415.4708
3472		3415.7823	I do like go go music	3416.9336
3474		3417.3476	um, but some times, I get tired of it when it's not original enough.	3420.5244
3476		3420.8792	Every song sounds the same.	3422.2315
3478		3423.0161	Gotta be creative if you wanna keep attention	3424.6040
3480		3424.9628	long time, that's what I say.	3425.8894
3481	DCB_int_01	3426.2048	Well now that you're a pescatarian, I don't know if this one is	3428.3102
3483		3428.4048	as [much relevant],	3429.7325
3484	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3428.8099	[<laugh>]	3429.7719
3485	DCB_int_01	3429.8665	but what about mumbo sauce?	3431.1479
3486	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3431.5461	Yeah, I love- I love mumbo sauce. It's very sweet. I think it's like a mixture of-	3435.4902
3488		3436.1226	Uh, what is it? It's-	3437.1831
3490		3437.2896	dang (whispered), somebody told me before.	3438.3817
3492		3439.0195	Somebody made mumbo sauce	3440.3836
3494		3440.6359	for me one time at a church I was at, and I said, wow, you actually made it.	3444.0463
3496		3444.4909	It's like mustard and something- you don't think mustard's in it. Something's in it that I didn't think was in it.	3447.7988
3498		3448.2443	It's very sweet. It's very	3449.2457
3500		3449.6469	very unique.	3450.2147
3502		3450.7824	And I think the Pope,	3451.6932
3504		3451.9770	uh, somebody tweeted that the Pope	3453.3925
3506		3453.4753	will be asking for some mumbo sauce while he's here in DC.	3455.8951
3508		3456.3012	I thought that was funny.	3457.0384
3510		3457.7757	But um,	3458.4144
3512		3459.3203	again, if it's the only place you can go to get it,	3461.0708
3514		3461.5045	where will you go to get it?	3462.2457
3516		3462.8095	So I do like mumbo sauce and,	3464.5049
3518		3464.9179	uh, although I don't eat chicken anymore, I don't eat any land animals at all,	3468.1548
3520		3468.6910	uh, salmon is my chicken,	3469.8531
3522		3470.2119	so	3470.5194
3524		3470.6771	I will whip up some mumbo sauce on some salmon in a heart beat.	3473.2478
3526		3474.0432	<ts>	3474.1536
3528		3474.4138	And that will be my lean protein	3476.0855
3530		3476.2432	with some mumbo sauce.	3477.1816
3532		3478.0332	[<laugh>]	3479.1253
3533	DCB_int_01	3478.2500	[Hm.]	3478.5339
3534		3479.4555	Alright.	3479.7906
3536		3480.1455	Last thing.	3480.9340
3537	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3480.9853	Mm-hm.	3481.2534
3538	DCB_int_01	3481.8881	What's your favorite book?	3482.9408
3539	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3484.0053	Favorite book.	3485.4947
3541		3486.1926	<ts>	3486.2517
3543		3486.3148	Um, other than the Bible,	3487.7578
3545		3488.0022	that's probably like	3488.4075
3547		3488.5503	a given, right?	3489.2323
3549		3489.8070	Other than the Bible,	3490.7296
3551		3490.8084	my favorite book	3491.7231
3553		3492.3264	I would say is, um,	3494.1242
3555		3495.3731	man there's so many books I read.	3496.7609
3557		3497.6283	It's kind of hard to say my favorite. (whispered)	3499.0121
3559		3500.2295	I think	3501.0890
3561		3503.3087	my favorite book	3504.4797
3563		3504.8099	would have to be	3506.1070
3565		3507.7274	one of my leadership books.	3508.9773
3567		3510.0802	Um, I love leadership reading,	3511.5232
3569		3512.3670	and I'm kind of narrowing it down in my head while I'm	3513.9401
3571		3514.0978	kind of buying for time.	3514.9534
3572	DCB_int_01	3515.1259	<laugh>	3516.8015
3573	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3516.8567	So my favorite book I guess-	3518.3549
3575		3520.0493	Mm,	3520.1952
3577		3520.3450	see I don't wanna break any categories like,	3521.5633
3579		3522.1704	story book	3522.9905
3581		3523.3453	/Uh mm/.	3523.9328
3583		3525.3591	Yeah.	3525.7455
3585		3525.9110	Uh,	3526.3369
3587		3526.4630	I think my favorite leadership book would have to be	3528.5290
3589		3529.1283	John Maxwell's, uh,	3530.7521
3591		3530.8423	Twenty One Irrefutable Laws of Leadership.	3532.9596
3593		3533.9531	He goes through these laws of leadership,	3535.5253
3595		3535.6357	and it's just so rich.	3536.8934
3597		3537.5321	It's so rich.	3538.6478
3599		3538.9672	He talks about the McDonald's brothers	3540.4142
3601		3541.4028	and w- and what happened with them,	3543.1573
3603		3543.5279	how they sold their business to Ray Kroc, and Ray Kroc was a leader	3546.5431
3605		3546.9965	that took the McDonald's	3547.9979
3607		3548.5893	company where it is now.	3549.8115
3609		3550.3477	It's-	3550.6986
3611		3550.8711	you learn so much. And since I'm a entrepreneur	3552.9371
3613		3553.2762	for a multi media company,	3554.4590
3615		3555.1765	I just love reading rich material	3557.3379
3617		3557.8250	about lead- expanding my leadership.	3559.2956
3619		3559.8318	So John C. Maxwell gets it.	3561.2975
3621		3561.8456	Thank you John.	3562.5158
3623		3563.3043	Twenty One Irrefutable Laws of Leadership,	3564.9445
3625		3565.0312	that's probably my favorite	3566.1105
3627		3566.2288	book.	3566.5127
3628	DCB_int_01	3568.0070	Last question before I ask you to do one more favor for me.	3570.9892
3629	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3571.0182	Mm-hm.	3571.2626
3630	DCB_int_01	3572.3272	If you had to leave a piece of advice	3574.3773
3631	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3574.6066	Mm-hm.	3574.9050
3632	DCB_int_01	3575.3014	to	3576.2386
3634		3577.4079	people today, not even just youth. I would just say youth, but	3579.8839
3635	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3580.0890	[Mm-hm.]	3580.3082
3636	DCB_int_01	3580.0984	[to people] today, what would that piece of advice be and why?	3582.7143
3637	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3583.3799	Mm.	3583.7669
3639		3584.1493	Piece of advice.	3585.1331
3641		3587.6465	Mm.	3587.9169
3643		3588.4438	<ts>	3588.5697
3645		3588.9975	Piece of advice I would leave to people would be	3590.9839
3647		3599.2967	Proverbs chapter three	3600.3505
3649		3600.5650	verses five and six.	3601.6224
3651		3604.5320	So	3604.6719
3653		3604.7605	Proverbs chapter three verse five and six	3606.6490
3655		3607.6177	says, trust in the Lord	3608.7881
3657		3609.4176	with all your heart.	3610.1403
3659		3611.9122	Don't lean on your own understanding.	3613.4917
3661		3614.6948	In all your ways acknowledge him,	3616.0144
3663		3616.7139	and he will make your path straight.	3617.8143
3665		3619.1934	I just think that's one of the richest pieces of advice	3621.4829
3667		3622.0844	you could give anybody.	3622.9050
3668	DCB_int_01	3623.2268	Hm.	3623.4040
3669	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3624.1500	If you trust in God with all your heart,	3625.6270
3671		3627.0958	first of all, he's the creator of your life.	3628.9703
3673		3629.7164	Um,	3630.1687
3675		3630.3960	when I was a teenager, you know, you've heard my story, when I was a teenager, I was seeking-	3633.7533
3677		3634.1357	I was aimlessly seeking my significance	3636.2899
3679		3636.6478	in popularity, status,	3638.2099
3681		3638.3218	clothes,	3638.9746
3683		3639.7906	relationships,	3640.7465
3685		3641.1475	tryna get money,	3642.1407
3687		3642.9054	tryna help my friends sell drugs.	3644.3265
3689		3644.8161	I was trying to find	3646.4761
3691		3646.8911	a reason to keep living.	3648.1361
3693		3649.0022	Even when I was suicidal in middle school, I was trying to find a reason for living.	3652.4994
3695		3653.1802	God was that reason.	3654.2293
3697		3654.6257	The fact that there was this su-	3655.7716
3699		3655.8975	there's a superior being that exists	3657.5715
3701		3657.8652	that I can't see with my eyes, but I know he's with me,	3660.2946
3703		3660.6583	and he speaks to me in unique ways, through his word,	3662.7928
3705		3663.2730	through- through- through	3663.7766
3707		3663.9025	thoughts,	3664.3943
3709		3664.6999	through different revelations he would give me. It's like, yo,	3666.8308
3711		3667.1747	if I trust in him with all of my heart- all of my- which is my soul, my- my everything,	3671.1111
3713		3672.0055	and I don't	3672.7076
3715		3673.4219	just lean on my own understanding, but I put my trust in him before what I think is best,	3677.1988
3717		3678.2153	and in all my ways I acknowledge him in it,	3680.1446
3719		3680.7788	he'll make my path straight. And that's- that's true for me.	3682.7931
3721		3683.7257	I'm- I was a l- a kid with low self esteem from Forestville,	3686.6109
3723		3687.0725	and just to see what God has done with me	3688.9004
3725		3689.4226	and my life from a business standpoint,	3691.4917
3727		3691.7856	as a artist. You know,	3692.9933
3729		3693.4409	I performed at the Stellar Awards this year, and	3695.5485
3731		3695.9868	you know, my music has been	3697.2085
3733		3697.8462	on the radio, and,	3699.1844
3735		3700.1963	you know,	3700.7139
3737		3701.1289	I'm talking to MTV right now about putting one of my music videos on MTV.	3704.5176
3739		3704.9420	Like, I didn't think any of that would happen.	3706.5227
3741		3706.9050	You know?	3707.1988
3742	DCB_int_01	3707.2594	Mm-hm.	3707.5439
3743	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3707.6231	But	3707.8330
3745		3707.9775	I submitted my life to Jesus,	3709.8695
3747		3710.4524	and he has	3711.1891
3749		3711.4083	lined up my life.	3712.4388
3751		3712.5553	So that's from a business standpoint.	3713.9729
3753		3714.2153	Financially	3715.0966
3755		3715.3519	all that kind of stuff.	3716.0514
3757		3716.5596	From- from the ministry standpoint,	3718.0051
3759		3718.5460	God showed me my purpose in life.	3720.0521
3761		3720.2480	Mines happens to be	3721.1841
3763		3721.3612	a pastor,	3721.9767
3765		3722.3171	but not everybody's called to be a pastor, but if you trust in God with all your heart, you don't lean on your own understanding,	3725.9309
3767		3726.1407	you acknowledge him, he'll make your path straight.	3727.7623
3769		3728.0933	He'll show you which way to go.	3729.1705
3771		3729.6974	Cause a lot of dudes I talk to in the neighborhood,	3731.4879
3773		3732.5417	they following the block boys. They following you know, what people around the neighborhood tell 'em	3735.8559
3775		3736.1683	[they should be] doing.	3736.8817
3776	DCB_int_01	3736.1730	[Mm-hm.]	3736.5860
3777	DCB_se3_ag3_m_01	3737.0030	They're following the bad patterns of their fathers and their uncles.	3739.7669
3779		3740.0653	My daddy locked up, and it's all I know.	3741.6694
3781		3742.1310	Well we got to break that cycle.	3743.3340
3783		3743.6698	You gotta trust in the Lord and not in what your daddy's doing,	3745.8275
3785		3746.1306	if your daddy's not doing what's of the Lord.	3747.5994
3787		3748.0611	So I think Proverbs chapters three verse five and six would be what I would leave.	3751.0919
3789		3751.7623	If I could give it-	3752.2892
3791		3752.4244	if I could give any advice	3753.5948
3793		3754.5227	that kind of sums up what-	3755.5392
3795		3756.1734	what you- what a person should do with their life.	3757.6597