Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DCB_int_01	0.5009	Um, and your birthday?	1.9837
2	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2.5748	January fourteenth, nineteen sixty one.	4.9202
3	DCB_int_01	6.8646	And where were you born?	8.0350
4	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	8.3323	Washington DC.	9.3721
5	DCB_int_01	10.7290	What neighborhood do you- did you grow up in?	12.6781
6	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	13.1351	Southeast Washington.	14.5000
8		14.7240	Hillcrest.	15.4374
9	DCB_int_01	17.7222	And how many years have you lived in the District?	19.7599
10	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	20.8685	Mm,	21.9736
12		26.5561	uh, that would be excluding- Only-	28.4819
14		28.6078	The only time that I lived	29.9507
16		30.3237	elsewhere was when I was in college and law school.	32.6867
18		33.2882	So	34.0482
20		35.4424	um,	36.3564
21	DCB_int_01	36.0440	[What's that], seven [years?]	37.0418
22	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	36.5569	[That would] be-	37.4755
23		38.1376	Well	38.5269
25		39.2042	uh, only- I went away to college really for like a semester so,	42.7294
27		44.3556	uh,	44.8545
29		46.3187	let me see. I was away maybe a total of five years so	50.2635
31		51.3768	I-	52.3000
33		55.1957	I don't know. God, what? Forty years?	57.3115
35		57.6146	Maybe forty years, I've lived?	59.2886
37		60.4450	I'm not really doing the math well, but.	62.1889
38	DCB_int_01	64.3373	And what other places-	65.4238
40		65.6243	So when you went to school- did you live?	67.6014
41	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	67.7832	Boston and New Orleans.	69.4700
42	DCB_int_01	76.0389	And where'd you go to school? High school, college, law school.	79.2330
43	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	80.1271	Um,	80.8592
45		81.2089	I went to	82.5565
47		82.7104	um-	83.3865
49		86.3416	Part of the-	86.9058
51		87.0690	My high school years were at	88.5985
53		88.8316	um,	89.4331
55		89.7409	/RD-SCHOOL-4/.	91.0745
57		92.2297	Um, I graduated from /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	94.7896
59		96.6175	I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ in Boston	100.0669
61		100.2814	and transferred to /RD-SCHOOL-9/.	102.9905
63		104.5421	And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-9/.	107.3772
64	DCB_int_01	113.1906	What's your current occupation?	114.5120
65	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	115.0185	I'm an attorney.	115.9638
66	DCB_int_01	119.8155	Um, where was your father born?	121.3541
67	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	122.0105	My father was born in	123.6752
69		124.5099	Raleigh, North Carolina.	125.8201
70	DCB_int_01	127.5641	What about your mom?	128.2495
71	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	129.2789	My mother was born	130.5518
73		130.6777	in- I think it was Camden, Alabama.	133.2004
74	DCB_int_01	134.4069	And what does your father do?	135.4669
75	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	136.3094	My father is deceased. He was an attorney.	138.9625
76	DCB_int_01	140.2437	And what about mom?	140.9105
77	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	141.9456	My mother was	143.0974
79		143.2606	a	144.5709
81		145.1770	librarian.	146.0723
82	DCB_int_01	148.5705	And is she still living or she-	149.8528
83	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	149.9414	She's still living.	150.7574
84	DCB_int_01	152.8545	Kay.	153.1390
86		154.2581	I will stop writing now (pen clicking).	155.6336
88		157.1164	So,	157.4382
90		158.0059	let's go back. Let's go	159.4887
92		160.1415	back a little bit.	160.9249
94		161.6196	When you talk about Southeast, tell me about your neighborhood growing up.	164.5773
95	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	165.8104	<ts>	165.9317
97		166.1089	My neighborhood was a-	167.8901
99		169.3123	I'd say middle class to upper middle class neighborhood,	171.9923
101		172.2860	um,	172.8549
103		173.3352	in	173.7082
105		173.8341	the midst of	174.8693
107		176.4395	um,	176.9618
109		179.0508	I wanna say	179.9134
111		180.7434	lower class mei-	181.9126
113		182.0712	lower class neighborhoods.	183.7918
115		184.8642	But	185.0881
117		185.3492	it was not like they were today.	187.1164
119		187.7075	Neighborhoods- When you think of	189.1436
121		189.6659	uh, upper middle class neighborhoods today-	192.0206
123		192.8693	Well first of all, it was all black,	194.1889
124	DCB_int_01	194.5514	Mm-hm.	194.8592
125	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	195.6799	except for um-	197.4751
127		199.5827	<ts>	199.6946
129		200.2157	There were a few	201.4187
131		202.7663	white people in the neighborhood left	205.2470
133		206.8965	from white flight.	207.6892
135		209.4331	Because when the blacks started moving in, the whites started moving out.	212.4862
137		213.5400	Um, except for my father told me this,	216.0626
139		216.4310	um-	217.0838
141		218.8405	The only whites that basically stayed-	220.7383
143		221.1860	The majority of the whites that stayed were	223.4848
145		223.6480	um, whites that did not have	225.5633
147		225.8291	children, particularly girls	227.7082
149		228.8460	because they did not want	230.1784
151		230.4302	um,	230.9571
153		232.6544	white-	233.0041
155		233.3445	Whites	233.9833
157		234.1279	did not want their girls to be around	236.5000
159		237.9410	black guys.	238.7104
160	DCB_int_01	239.6756	Hm.	239.9414
161	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	240.1372	That was my father's	241.1770
163		242.3743	uh,	242.8359
165		243.4980	explanation. And	244.6264
167		245.0135	as I looked around the neighborhood, I did notice that there were-	247.3542
169		247.7786	There were a lot of older white people.	249.4700
170	DCB_int_01	249.8710	Mm-hm.	250.2487
171	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	250.3047	So	250.7244
173		250.9249	they might have- And they didn't s-	252.4310
175		252.9765	I didn't know of any of 'em	254.4034
177		255.9130	to have kids. Maybe one	257.9367
179		259.6900	family.	260.3334
181		261.1623	Um,	261.6659
183		262.7197	so maybe they felt like they were too old to leave.	265.2703
185		266.0478	You know, I don't know.	267.0690
187		267.6239	But they were like scattered around.	269.3352
189		269.9833	But	270.1838
191		270.9765	the majority of the neighborhood was /definitely/-	272.8359
193		273.2695	They were definitely	274.0715
195		274.4026	African Americans. There weren't	275.8388
197		276.2025	Hispanics. There weren't	277.5454
199		278.5654	Indians. There weren't Asians.	280.4819
201		281.7595	Completely African American.	283.2283
202	DCB_int_01	283.6387	How big was the neighborhood? Like how many blocks, streets?	286.5099
203	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	287.5544	The whole H- all of Hillcrest?	289.6713
205		290.5654	I'm not good with	291.3208
207		292.1648	that type of thing.	293.0461
209		293.3958	Um,	293.9414
211		298.2114	it was a pretty big neighborhood.	299.5217
213		300.4683	I mean, you know.	301.3402
215		303.1063	It was a-	303.4281
217		303.7358	I-	304.0156
219		304.2114	Will say- it was a- it was a big area.	306.2631
220	DCB_int_01	306.5289	Okay.	306.8366
221	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	307.3123	You know.	307.6200
223		307.7634	I- I hesitate to call it a-	309.1669
225		309.2322	You know, I consider my neighborhood like, the people that I knew	312.2538
227		312.5942	which was like,	313.1677
229		315.0784	um,	315.5586
231		316.1555	maybe,	316.7850
233		317.8481	um,	318.4869
235		319.8287	you know, that was just a-	320.7146
237		321.4840	maybe about ten block	322.6031
239		322.8176	radius. Like,	323.4518
241		323.7082	you know, the people I got to knew- know from	326.2821
243		327.4001	playing.	327.9177
245		328.5099	You know, you didn't go too far-	329.7642
247		329.9181	[stray too] far from your neighborhood to play. And then	332.6456
248	DCB_int_01	330.0719	[Right.]	330.4496
249	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	333.2416	you know, maybe people who th-	334.3233
251		334.4259	that I met	334.9342
253		335.2186	at church-	335.9414
255		337.3775	people I met at my elementary school,	339.1389
257		339.9830	which was a neighborhood elementary school.	341.7082
259		342.5569	And um,	343.4382
261		347.6243	I guess that was it.	348.5196
263		348.6501	You know, like the Girl Scouts and stuff like that.	350.6400
265		351.9969	Um-	352.5378
266	DCB_int_01	352.5705	Ten blocks is- that's a big- I was actually thinking maybe you were gonna say like two or three /??/. That's a big	357.5773
268		357.9783	like	358.1741
269	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	358.1368	Well I'm-	358.6078
270	DCB_int_01	358.5891	area.	359.0228
271	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	359.1067	Well that includes the people that	361.1957
273		361.3589	I m-	361.7226
275		361.8671	met.	362.2950
277		362.4815	But the people that I knew	363.5446
279		364.1928	[well] well well were like-	366.2118
280	DCB_int_01	364.2954	[Well.]	364.5705
281	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	366.3704	except when I- because what happened in my neighborhood was	369.1530
283		370.2674	the sch-	370.8036
285		370.8922	the-	371.0414
287		371.2513	the people-	371.8808
289		374.0117	You know.	374.2810
291		374.5095	Because we were like, a little oasis,	377.0228
293		377.2979	so to speak,	377.9693
295		378.6268	in Southeast,	379.5501
297		380.5188	the schools	381.6286
299		382.2161	were not the-	382.9062
301		383.1627	the-	383.4005
303		383.5450	the parents in my neighborhood were not	385.5221
305		385.7914	pleased with the schools.	387.2136
307		387.7498	So they either- after a certain point,	390.1838
309		391.1118	we either got-	391.8858
311		393.4654	they either sent us to private schools- most of us went to private schools,	396.8087
313		397.4895	or they	398.4921
315		398.5981	bussed us to- or we went to- and when I say bussed, I don't mean like,	402.1419
317		402.6501	you know,	402.9625
319		403.1106	really bussed. I mean like we would catch- we would have to catch a bus,	405.9923
321		406.3513	get on the bus and go,	407.4751
323		408.1745	you know, or- or we would go to,	410.5000
325		411.4933	um,	412.1228
327		413.2233	schools in different- in a better	415.5174
329		415.8345	part of town, but mainly pe- people were going to private schools.	418.9109
331		420.7574	You know that was	421.4137
333		421.5256	mainly m-	422.0945
335		422.1831	most of my friends were going to private schools.	424.4259
337		425.4098	You know,	425.8015
339		425.9134	um, I did notice that	427.4428
341		427.6247	um-	428.0257
343		428.6773	so we had-	429.6006
345		431.0647	And this is what I'm saying we don't really see too much today,	434.0723
347		435.6426	we had	436.4332
349		436.8969	um,	437.4051
351		437.8621	like I lived next to a cab-	439.2750
353		439.4242	I ha- on one side of me-	440.7473
355		441.1669	my father was an attorney.	442.4865
357		442.6171	My mother was a, um,	444.2445
359		444.7760	We had doctors, lawyers,	446.6494
361		447.4700	um, we had blue collar workers.	449.9367
363		450.7620	Um,	451.4988
365		451.6468	you know, like,	452.6680
367		453.3581	my-	453.6939
369		453.8804	my	454.1601
371		454.3327	neigh- the-	454.9528
373		455.2000	the neighbor to	455.9041
375		456.1232	uh-	456.6222
377		456.7434	to my left was a cab driver.	458.8312
378	DCB_int_01	459.3115	Hm.	459.5493
379	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	460.4026	And	460.8549
381		460.9575	his wife doesn't- didn't work.	462.4403
383		463.2785	Neighbor to my-	463.9971
385		464.1784	to my right,	465.0830
387		466.1089	he was an-	466.8642
389		467.7455	he was either an engineer or an architect,	469.4428
391		469.6235	but he was highly,	470.4908
393		471.5446	you know,	471.8571
395		472.2860	educated.	472.9388
397		473.8061	And it was mixed like that throughout the neighborhood. You had some	476.9058
399		477.6705	you know,	477.9130
401		477.9923	bus drivers, cab drivers, lawyers,	480.6595
403		481.0884	you know.	481.4475
405		481.8100	Four blocks up	482.8918
407		483.5027	was	483.9596
409		484.8782	/newer/-	485.2140
411		485.4797	You know,	485.8435
413		486.2724	both	486.6641
415		487.7366	uh,	488.1737
417		489.0177	parents were doctors. The mother was a pediatrician. The father was a neurosurgeon, like one of the most	493.9779
419		494.7380	um, highly	495.8431
421		496.1741	you know,	496.5798
423		496.9202	um,	497.3585
425		498.2351	thought of neurosurgeons at Howard-	500.2353
427		500.7939	at Howard's Hospital.	501.7731
429		502.5425	You know, and I think they lived next do-	504.1745
431		504.3191	door to a um,	505.5407
433		506.9898	your blue collar worker.	508.0436
435		508.7896	So that's just the way- and part of that probably, I'm sure had to do with the fact that all black people had to live	514.2907
437		515.4378	you know,	515.7688
439		515.9833	in the same neighborhood.	516.9672
441		518.6494	So it wasn't that socioeconomic	521.1673
443		522.0300	um,	522.6501
445		523.1584	separation that they have now,	524.9571
446	DCB_int_01	525.5493	Gotcha.	525.9643
447	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	526.0296	because we were like,	527.1673
449		527.9740	you know,	528.2538
450	DCB_int_01	528.6688	Mm-hm.	528.9252
451	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	530.4675	kind of forced to live together.	531.7312
452	DCB_int_01	532.2534	So how did like blue collar versus	535.0838
454		535.2237	like, white collar- How do upper middle class and	538.3233
456		538.5145	probably working to middle- lower middle class- How did- could they afford	541.6713
458		542.0991	to live in that neighborhood together?	543.5680
459	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	545.0787	Cause I think all hard working people	547.4242
461		549.2975	could live	550.2254
463		550.5798	well.	551.0368
464	DCB_int_01	551.8385	Hm.	552.1776
465	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	553.0838	No matter what they did.	554.0583
467		555.7545	And my father actually-	557.0461
469		557.2326	Uh, my mother w- There was another neighborhood here in DC that was a black	561.1763
471		562.0156	upper middle class to upper-	563.4191
473		563.7502	upper class neighborhood,	565.0978
475		565.6340	which was-	566.3428
477		566.6354	that we called the Gold Coast,	568.1788
479		569.5217	which is-	570.0020
481		570.1838	which was on Sixth-	571.2004
483		571.3822	in the Sixth-	572.1516
485		572.2717	off of Sixteenth Street,	573.6239
487		574.0576	which were primarily- Now,	575.4005
489		575.4937	I don't know if they're- I would	577.0372
491		578.3509	pro- I would-	579.0830
493		579.5120	Because I ended up going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	581.0274
495		581.8761	And	582.4869
497		582.6222	that was the area for	584.5000
499		585.7918	that.	586.0482
501		586.6218	I mean that was part of their	587.7922
503		587.9693	area, so I met a lot of those	589.8858
505		590.2169	black kids	590.9525
507		591.6379	that grew up	592.4026
509		592.7663	on- in the Gold Coast.	593.8621
511		594.1699	And I	594.8740
513		595.9919	would-	596.4022
515		597.0457	I would guess that,	598.3886
517		598.8922	without knowing-	599.8621
519		601.2516	Cause I certainly didn't- The kids that I met up there,	603.3395
521		603.8664	none of their parent-	604.7290
523		604.8782	All of their parents were	606.1419
525		607.3216	you know,	607.7482
527		608.2297	doctors, lawyers,	610.3047
529		610.5891	college professors. I mean they were all professional-	612.7154
531		612.9579	uh, white collar	613.8205
533		613.9231	[professionals.]	614.6820
534	DCB_int_01	613.9837	[Mm-hm.]	614.5000
535	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	615.4560	So	616.2114
537		617.0927	m- And my father made a conscious decision-	619.5874
539		619.9359	Because my mother wanted to live up there.	621.5493
541		622.3047	That's where she wanted to live.	623.1767
543		624.4869	<ts> My father did not want to live up there.	626.3649
545		627.2602	He didn't want-	627.7312
547		627.8664	He didn't want	628.5751
549		628.8876	us growing up	629.7968
551		630.9672	in that kind of bubble.	632.0257
553		633.4607	So	634.0855
555		634.3420	um,	634.7850
557		637.2610	and I th- I'm sure those houses were mo-	639.0410
559		639.9503	I don't know. They might have been the same price. I don't know.	642.1092
561		642.6781	It's hard to say back then.	643.7086
563		644.3976	Cause everything was so much more affordable,	646.1881
564	DCB_int_01	646.7430	[Yes.]	647.2326
565	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	646.8456	[you know?]	647.3165
566		647.8994	But um,	648.6874
568		649.8707	and that's just my take on it.	651.2042
570		651.3068	I-	651.5120
572		651.8198	And you know, I can just say that	653.3632
574		653.4937	because I went	654.7014
576		654.8413	to the high school, and I met all of those black kids up there.	657.7358
578		658.4865	And I don't know any of them that- whose parents were just	661.4988
580		662.2577	regular, you know,	663.5400
581	DCB_int_01	664.0855	Mm.	664.2721
582	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	664.7896	blue collar workers or whatever whatever. They were all	667.9604
584		668.0537	like,	668.3241
586		669.2789	somebody.	669.9037
588		670.5238	You know, white collars	671.6429
590		672.2818	types.	672.8133
592		673.4708	You know.	673.9418
594		675.2928	So that might have been very unique to our neighborhood,	677.7409
596		678.9579	but I would doubt it.	679.8671
597	DCB_int_01	680.7380	So how did this-	681.4700
599		682.0949	Two things, and then I'm'a move on from- But how do you f-	684.5056
601		684.7854	How do you- And I don't think- I don't know if you know,	686.8126
603		687.2276	but how did this neighborhood emerge	689.2653
605		689.3585	in the middle of Southeast? So Southeast historically was a very	692.4255
607		693.5073	rundown or	694.4772
609		695.1860	I will say lower class,	696.5289
611		696.6408	and then you have this upper class neighborhood,	698.6587
613		698.7659	do you kind of know how that	699.8198
615		700.0296	oasis-	700.6218
616	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	701.5264	The only reason I could think is that	703.1397
618		703.2377	if you go over to the neighborhood, you can see the difference in the houses.	706.2721
619	DCB_int_01	706.9622	Mm.	707.1953
620	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	708.3377	I mean,	708.7993
622		708.8879	they are- And I'm sure- I know white people are trying to get those houses now.	712.6031
624		713.2373	I mean they look like the houses on Sixteenth Street.	715.8905
626		717.4141	Um, I think they even-	718.7477
628		720.2445	I don't know what they call- I think they called it the G- They called it a whole bunch of stuff. Like, the Gold Coast of Southeast. I mean, you know, all- m-	726.7527
630		727.0838	Whenever I told somebody that I was from Southeast,	729.1809
632		729.6659	and then I would say I was from Hillcrest,	731.4098
634		731.7176	they'd be like, Oh that's not Southeast.	733.2703
636		734.1971	And I was like, Yeah.	735.3954
638		735.7265	It is in Southeast.	736.9295
640		737.6663	And um,	738.5895
642		738.9859	that's the only thing that I could think because there-	741.1063
644		741.3162	there were	741.7312
646		742.5985	big houses. All the houses looked	744.1652
648		744.3284	different.	744.8991
650		745.7506	You know, they had big yards.	747.8159
652		748.4959	You know,	749.0881
654		749.2279	um,	749.8248
656		752.7566	that's the only reason that I could think, and I can't think of any other	755.9507
658		758.2111	area of Southeast- And I have to say,	759.8571
660		759.9969	I-	760.4119
662		760.5238	You know, because I went to school uptown and all that stuff,	762.8185
664		762.9346	I really didn't	763.5967
666		763.8893	get to know	764.8405
668		765.0970	a lot of the neighborhoods. I didn't hang out- I mean you know,	767.3678
669	DCB_int_01	766.7244	[Mm.]	766.9995
670	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	767.4937	there was some-	768.0300
672		768.1792	there was some class	769.1910
674		770.7240	issues going on.	771.7218
676		772.5751	You know, so I didn't really get to know- Like I- Like I don't know- I don't know this area	776.3847
677	DCB_int_01	776.6634	Mm.	776.8918
678	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	777.6612	even though I didn't- I grew up not that far from here.	779.8574
680		781.0558	You know, I don't really know my way around in- in this area. And there parts of Southeast that I've never been to.	786.4356
682		788.7659	You know?	789.1623
684		790.0109	So	790.6358
686		790.9808	um-	791.5077
687	DCB_int_01	792.7154	Describe your house.	793.7972
689		794.1924	Like at your childhood home.	795.6146
690	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	796.7197	<ts>	796.8363
692		796.9948	Um,	797.5823
694		798.5522	you know, everything's relative.	800.0537
696		800.5468	A lot of people thought it was a big house.	802.1974
698		802.7010	I mean it was- It was a big	804.1838
700		804.3377	Tudor style house.	805.8625
702		806.7753	Um,	807.4234
704		809.9134	ver- a lot of	810.6968
706		810.7667	nice	811.2050
708		811.3356	architect-	811.8532
710		812.2250	/tecture/-	812.7473
712		812.9664	/texture/.	813.5400
714		814.4726	Um,	815.0647
716		817.2703	you know, huge yard.	818.7519
718		818.9525	I mean really big yard.	820.0855
720		820.6917	And I'm not real good with	821.8517
722		822.5522	you know, measuring or whatever.	824.0805
724		824.3136	Sat up on a hill,	825.5260
726		826.8736	a big hill,	827.8295
728		828.7807	um,	829.4102
730		831.4187	had a lot of character to it.	833.2186
732		833.5310	Um,	833.9693
734		835.9406	you know, had a	836.7240
736		836.8499	big	837.1017
738		838.2721	living room, a big	839.4841
740		839.6056	dining room, a big kitchen before there were a lot of um,	842.3661
742		843.3162	big kitchens.	844.4353
744		844.6777	Nice basement.	845.9087
746		846.2025	Um,	846.7481
748		847.6806	three-	848.0723
750		848.3276	three bedrooms,	849.6426
752		850.3327	big /attic/.	851.2699
754		851.9880	Had one- just one bathroom. We all shared a bathroom.	854.7799
756		855.6705	Um,	856.3140
758		856.5565	and all the houses were different.	857.9181
760		858.0300	There were no h-	858.6222
762		858.7107	no house-	859.4615
764		859.7319	There was no-	860.5000
766		862.7104	I mean,	863.1720
768		863.4937	no single house was exactly	865.1304
770		865.4522	like the other house.	866.4628
772		867.0644	I mean even in some of the other areas like Brookland- I don't know if you're familiar with [Brookland, where] /Catholic/ is?	871.7273
773	DCB_int_01	870.7620	[Mm-hm.]	871.0232
774	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	872.3323	And I- When I first got married, I lived in a house,	874.4772
776		874.9995	like a colonial style house there,	876.8133
778		877.9593	which by the way, now	879.2089
780		879.8104	is going for	880.9202
782		881.2606	seven hundred thousand dollars,	882.8040
784		883.2889	and it's a little house.	884.3241
786		885.4794	Um, to me it was a little house,	886.8689
788		886.9575	compared to the house that I grew up in.	888.5289
790		889.1397	And	889.8718
792		891.2369	those houses,	892.0482
794		892.6964	they're cookie cutter.	893.5730
795	DCB_int_01	893.6849	Mm-hm.	894.1792
796	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	895.8846	You know, but then that- that is also another neighborhood	898.4679
798		898.7803	that was a-	899.3352
800		899.6336	uh-	899.8854
802		900.0346	that-	900.2678
804		900.7294	and-	900.9905
806		901.3391	Well actually, that's not- that wasn't Brookland. It was Michigan Park,	903.8990
807	DCB_int_01	904.6171	[Mm-hm.]	904.9575
808	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	904.6218	[which is] right next to Brookland.	906.0766
809		906.9392	Um,	907.4382
811		908.9385	that's another	909.7358
813		910.7010	upper middle class black neighborhood too. I mean-	913.0465
815		913.4708	I'm sorry.	913.9371
817		914.8639	Upper middle cl- Yeah, upper middle class,	916.7104
819		917.2000	I would say.	917.7968
821		918.4729	Middle class to upper middle class black neighborhood,	920.6260
822	DCB_int_01	920.9151	[Now?]	921.3675
823	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	920.9338	[which-]	921.2462
824	DCB_int_01	921.7918	Or before.	922.3980
825	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	923.4891	When I was growing up	924.5009
826	DCB_int_01	924.6688	[Oh.]	924.8926
827	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	924.6781	[w-] it was. Now, it's gentrifying,	926.7240
828	DCB_int_01	926.9664	Mm.	927.2089
829	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	927.2416	like everything else. You see m- almost more white people over there than you-	930.1652
831		930.2911	than you see- saw black people-	931.9138
833		932.2950	see black people.	933.2182
835		933.5493	And that's why the- the hous- pricing-	935.3305
837		935.5544	the housing prices have gone up	936.9719
839		937.1024	is what I'm saying. I mean that was a little-	938.6307
841		939.6939	I mean,	940.0949
843		940.9715	you know, those houses are	942.0673
845		942.4030	<sigh>	942.6641
847		942.9625	you know.	943.3123
849		945.4654	And even the school systems haven't caught up with those neighborhoods,	948.3750
851		948.7947	I wouldn't- I wouldn't	949.7972
853		949.9593	/stink/.	950.6540
855		951.5400	You know.	951.9876
857		953.2979	<ts>	953.4378
858	DCB_int_01	953.4378	Are [houses] in Hillcrest	954.9299
859	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	953.6056	[Um-]	953.9600
860	DCB_int_01	955.8438	kind of going that same	957.1203
862		957.5540	like market? Or looking at the market, is it	959.5683
864		960.0206	reaching Southeast in that same way?	961.8811
865	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	962.3649	I think so.	963.0784
866	DCB_int_01	963.3441	Mm.	963.5866
867	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	963.7358	I don't think that people have gotten across the bridge quite as much	966.5522
869		966.9159	because it is across the bridge.	968.6167
871		971.2419	But give 'em time.	972.1512
872	DCB_int_01	972.9066	Mm.	973.2656
873	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	974.7193	[You know.]	975.0364
874	DCB_int_01	974.7380	[Are you an] only child?	975.8291
875	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	975.8757	No I have two brothers.	977.1300
876	DCB_int_01	977.7828	Okay, so how was it growing up? Are you the youngest, oldest, middle?	980.3183
877	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	980.4209	I'm the middle.	981.0644
878	DCB_int_01	981.6379	Oh, you're the middle. So how was it growing up	983.9600
880		984.1186	with-	984.4170
882		984.8366	What's the age difference?	986.0537
883	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	986.2064	We were all two years apart.	987.3768
884	DCB_int_01	987.8664	Oh, step-	988.3467
886		988.6404	like [step-]	989.2186
887	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	988.9855	[Mm-hm.]	989.4564
888	DCB_int_01	989.9367	And how was that? Did y'all play together? What types of games did y'all play?	993.2229
889	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	993.3488	We played together in the house.	994.8363
891		995.5823	We fought a lot.	996.3937
893		996.9392	But see the kid- There were lots of kids in that neighborhood, which is totally different than the way my-	1000.5285
895		1000.7197	my daughter is growing up	1001.8155
897		1002.1792	because	1002.7900
899		1002.9252	um,	1003.3869
901		1004.9804	you know, first of all, I was a si- I'm a single-	1007.1487
903		1007.4285	I was a single	1008.2631
905		1008.5056	parent.	1008.9486
907		1009.1491	And	1009.4836
909		1009.5769	also it's just,	1010.5328
911		1011.2742	you know, I couldn't afford to live	1012.9901
913		1013.8341	the- a lot of the places that I wanted to live. And then she-	1016.5000
915		1017.1809	I definitely sent her to schools, I-	1018.6964
917		1019.2792	You know,	1019.6383
919		1019.9693	she never-	1020.4123
921		1020.6408	she-	1020.9346
923		1021.0838	her-	1021.3775
925		1021.8707	Only for one moment did she go to a school	1024.2254
927		1024.8083	in the neighborhood we lived in, and that's only because I moved	1027.8240
929		1027.9732	to the neighborhood to get her into the school.	1030.0296
931		1030.5565	I moved	1031.3632
933		1031.5683	to a-	1032.1372
935		1032.6641	an apartment	1033.2423
937		1033.6375	to get her into the school, and then	1035.7638
939		1037.0228	I bought a house (laughing).	1037.9554
940	DCB_int_01	1038.9579	[/Inaudible./]	1039.3822
941	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1038.9719	[So], th- and that was the only time in her life that she-	1042.5005
942		1043.9880	And that was a short span of her life, she was very young- that she lived in	1047.6799
944		1048.4539	a neighborhood where she went to school. So	1050.2678
946		1051.2796	I had	1051.9499
948		1052.1644	a-	1052.4768
950		1052.6260	I grew up in a very	1053.8897
952		1054.0529	robust	1055.0041
954		1055.2466	neighborhood, with children, lots of children.	1057.2831
956		1058.6727	And	1059.2276
958		1059.4374	we um,	1060.2974
960		1061.7315	<ts>	1061.8714
962		1061.9227	played outside a lot, and as	1063.4475
964		1063.6049	you probably heard from older people,	1065.3535
966		1065.9177	we could go outside and play forever	1067.9554
968		1068.7294	until it was dark. I mean that stuff about the-	1070.6587
970		1071.0457	the um-	1071.6472
972		1071.8431	What do you call it?	1072.3840
974		1073.1160	The night light?	1073.7595
976		1074.0253	The um,	1074.5382
978		1075.4568	<ts>	1075.5407
980		1075.6888	playing until the-	1076.4489
982		1076.6727	til the-	1077.0784
984		1077.2602	the-	1077.5120
986		1077.7172	the lights	1078.4213
988		1078.9855	came on	1079.5683
989	DCB_int_01	1079.6802	Mm.	1079.8901
990	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1080.0346	was true.	1080.6361
992		1081.5081	Our parents didn't know where we were.	1082.6913
994		1084.0902	We didn't have cell phones.	1085.2746
995	DCB_int_01	1085.6103	[<laugh>]	1087.5183
996	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1086.1092	[You know?]	1086.5709
998		1087.0232	[They couldn't-]	1087.6573
999		1088.3789	But	1088.7240
1001		1088.9151	they let us go. I mean we would go all over the place and do whatever we wanted until it was time to come home.	1093.8112
1003		1094.6540	And there were	1095.4001
1005		1096.5285	oh, t- tons of us.	1098.0160
1007		1099.5780	You know, and we would just all go and play.	1101.3301
1009		1101.7964	And my b-	1102.1555
1011		1102.6264	You know, so I had my girlfriends, and my brothers had their friends, but	1106.2495
1013		1107.1809	the times we were stuck in the house,	1108.7896
1015		1110.9532	<ts>	1111.0511
1017		1111.1164	we would um-	1112.0210
1019		1112.2577	we would play together.	1113.1203
1021		1114.1182	And we, you know-	1115.1533
1023		1115.6523	I- I	1116.1885
1025		1117.7039	you know,	1117.9604
1027		1119.0037	pretty much grew up like a boy because I had two [brothers.]	1121.3352
1028	DCB_int_01	1121.1813	[Mm-hm.]	1121.6429
1029	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1121.6756	So I basically had to do the types of things that they did.	1124.2728
1031		1125.2089	And if I didn't, then they would tease me,	1127.4285
1033		1128.0486	you know, and say I was a sissy	1129.3123
1035		1129.7541	or something like that,	1130.6121
1037		1130.7566	so.	1131.2416
1039		1131.7871	But we fought a lot too.	1132.9155
1040	DCB_int_01	1133.1114	<laugh>	1134.1465
1041	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1134.1419	We did a lot of fighting.	1135.1491
1042		1135.8438	Yeah.	1136.1423
1043	DCB_int_01	1136.7706	Did y'all have TV?	1137.6192
1044	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1138.3233	We had TV.	1139.1020
1045	DCB_int_01	1139.2886	[Black and white or color?]	1140.3750
1046	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1139.2932	[I'm not that- I'm not that-] I'm not that old. <laugh>	1142.5000
1047		1143.5027	Um, I think that we-	1144.8969
1049		1145.6243	Oh, God. I'm sure at some point-	1147.3729
1051		1147.6060	Whatever-	1148.0945
1053		1148.2064	Whenever it was, I'm s-	1149.5260
1055		1149.7871	I'm sure that I-	1150.9575
1057		1152.1279	It started out being black and white,	1153.5874
1058	DCB_int_01	1153.8893	Mm.	1154.0758
1059	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1154.3836	and then at some point, we got color. But	1156.2021
1061		1156.4119	um,	1156.7010
1063		1157.0228	yeah we had TV. But we only had-	1158.3470
1065		1159.1957	What? F-	1159.5547
1067		1160.0770	Three channels? ABC, NBC, and CBS.	1162.7430
1068	DCB_int_01	1164.2864	Hm.	1164.6035
1069	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1164.7714	And we didn't have remotes.	1166.0933
1070	DCB_int_01	1166.4349	Mm,	1166.6074
1072		1166.7100	we had- You were the remote?	1167.7032
1073	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1168.2767	We were the remote. [We had to get up] and	1169.6010
1074	DCB_int_01	1168.9482	[Mm-hm.]	1169.4098
1075	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1169.7362	turn it.	1170.1046
1077		1170.8506	And um,	1171.7832
1079		1172.9618	<ts>	1173.0364
1081		1173.6332	you know, we-	1174.2487
1083		1174.3886	There were only a few shows	1175.7875
1085		1176.8786	um, that we could watch.	1178.4862
1087		1179.8244	And then TV went off at a certain time,	1182.0300
1089		1183.3263	like around- I don't know, midnight?	1184.7613
1091		1184.9058	I don't know. It was long before we went to bed- long after we went to bed,	1188.0813
1093		1189.2143	so.	1189.6340
1095		1190.5421	Yeah.	1190.9291
1096	DCB_int_01	1191.2789	What elementary schools	1192.5052
1098		1192.7337	did you go to?	1193.5310
1099	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1194.3564	<ts>	1194.4496
1101		1194.5522	I went to the neighborhood elementary school,	1196.5000
1103		1197.0410	which was called /RD-SCHOOL-2/ until the fifth-	1199.1020
1105		1199.4378	until the	1200.4683
1107		1202.2623	I guess it was the fifth grade.	1203.6705
1109		1203.8664	And then my parents- And then we went to	1205.9274
1111		1206.0813	um-	1206.4869
1113		1206.9299	Then my parents	1207.8438
1115		1207.9966	sent us to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	1209.9596
1116	DCB_int_01	1211.5357	Was that different?	1212.1885
1118		1212.5056	Was it a	1212.8320
1120		1213.0558	big-	1213.2750
1121	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1213.5780	It was a culture shock. There were no black kids t- I mean that's one of the k- that- If	1216.7430
1123		1217.1300	you don't know, that's one of the sc-	1218.1559
1125		1218.4729	one of the three schools that the Obamas looked at	1221.0037
1126	DCB_int_01	1222.6637	[/RD-SCHOOL-3/.]	1223.3865
1127	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1222.9808	[when they] came here.	1223.8435
1128		1223.9367	/RD-SCHOOL-3/. There's /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	1225.8858
1130		1226.3743	and where they ended up is /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1227.9223
1131	DCB_int_01	1228.2487	Right.	1228.4819
1133		1229.2000	So	1229.7269
1135		1230.4823	when you went to-	1231.4428
1137		1231.8287	Compare your experience from what you can remember from /RD-SCHOOL-3/ to	1235.4891
1139		1235.6989	/RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1236.4170
1140	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1236.8740	Well /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was all black	1238.2950
1142		1239.0737	with all-	1239.5120
1144		1239.6519	mainly all black teachers.	1241.2326
1146		1241.4844	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ was all white	1242.8553
1148		1243.7879	pretty much.	1244.4442
1150		1244.8965	And Jewish	1245.7172
1152		1247.0927	because it was started by a Jewish-	1248.7873
1154		1250.4116	I don't know which Jewish school.	1251.9083
1156		1252.4353	Cause we had to celebrate Jewish holidays.	1254.5429
1158		1255.7786	We didn't even celebrate Christian holidays. We celebrated Jewish holidays.	1258.9852
1159	DCB_int_01	1259.2093	Mm.	1259.4937
1160	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1259.6802	And um,	1260.7201
1162		1261.6702	so we had	1263.2089
1164		1265.2886	rich kids.	1266.2724
1166		1268.9711	Rich white kids.	1270.0622
1168		1270.7430	Jewish.	1271.2559
1170		1272.2165	And	1273.0931
1172		1273.7075	a handful of black kids in each class.	1276.0995
1174		1277.9880	Maybe	1278.5102
1176		1280.4069	/uh/ four of us.	1281.8431
1178		1282.5985	I don't know.	1283.2140
1180		1283.9227	Five per class, something like that.	1285.7133
1182		1286.3556	And then we had	1287.3488
1184		1287.4794	um-	1288.2167
1186		1290.3610	<ts>	1290.4636
1188		1291.0325	And of course the black kids were not-	1292.8545
1190		1294.7710	There were some-	1295.5870
1192		1295.8201	That were some black kids that	1297.3216
1194		1297.4242	were	1297.8858
1196		1299.0504	prominent.	1299.9363
1198		1302.6781	You know, when you're a kid, you don't really know that stuff,	1304.7114
1199	DCB_int_01	1304.7799	[Mm.]	1305.0457
1200	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1304.7986	[but then] when you get older, you start hearing	1307.2932
1201		1308.5056	you know,	1308.9392
1203		1309.2190	this is /da- da- da-/	1309.9837
1205		1310.3323	I mean the people that I can remember that went there- I don't know if you remember Al Gore?	1314.2445
1206	DCB_int_01	1314.5895	Mm-hm.	1314.9719
1207	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1315.0325	He was	1315.4428
1209		1315.7354	vice president to	1316.9991
1211		1317.9037	Carter?	1318.3280
1213		1318.5938	No.	1318.7803
1214	DCB_int_01	1319.5137	[Clinton?]	1319.9175
1215	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1319.5917	[No, it wasn't-] I'm get- I get Al Gore mixed up with-	1321.9464
1216		1322.8079	<ts>	1322.9291
1218		1323.4887	This guy was Carter's	1324.7150
1220		1324.9762	vice president.	1325.8295
1222		1327.1584	I don't know why I get them two mixed up, and I can't remember his name because uh, he-	1330.6078
1224		1332.1792	I wanna say Mondale.	1333.5361
1226		1334.8778	You wouldn't remember.	1335.6286
1228		1335.7358	But Mondale- I think it was Mondale.	1337.7036
1230		1338.5056	Yeah, and then he ran for president.	1339.9732
1232		1340.2157	His	1340.5421
1234		1340.6447	d- daughter went-	1341.2602
1236		1341.3908	His kids went there, and then you had um-	1344.1372
1238		1346.3743	There was this guy name- And the only reason I know this was because uh-	1349.6942
1240		1350.0067	<ts>	1350.1792
1242		1350.2631	There was this guy named /RD-NAME-6/.	1352.5514
1244		1354.1236	He was the fir- Anyway,	1355.2567
1246		1355.5131	his daughter, /RD-NAME-2/-	1356.6835
1248		1356.9773	Well, they don't call her /RD-NAME-2/. Her name is /RD-NAME-4/.	1359.1863
1250		1359.6106	She wrote p-	1360.3567
1252		1360.4966	She read	1361.1587
1254		1362.0913	um,	1362.7068
1256		1362.9761	the poem at Obama's inauguration. Okay.	1365.4428
1258		1365.7552	So she went there,	1366.7997
1260		1368.1146	but her dad was	1369.6720
1262		1369.8527	um-	1370.4123
1264		1373.3173	<ts>	1373.4338
1266		1373.7975	He was something like the first	1375.2384
1268		1375.4098	black	1376.1139
1270		1379.5084	secretary of the-	1381.1918
1272		1382.6641	You know, he was like in some	1383.6619
1274		1383.8438	presidential cam-	1384.6878
1276		1384.8323	uh, [cabinet.]	1385.9188
1277	DCB_int_01	1385.6157	[Hm.]	1385.9141
1278		1386.1286	Mm-hm.	1386.4643
1279	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1386.6602	So it was some black kids like that	1388.6734
1281		1389.0091	that were there.	1389.7226
1283		1390.6691	But then you had	1391.6810
1285		1391.8442	some black kids who were- Like I-	1394.0579
1287		1394.2491	Like one of my friends, one of my best friends,	1396.7531
1289		1397.9747	and then you had some black kids whose parents were	1400.2910
1291		1400.6548	like my parents, you know. They were	1402.7577
1293		1403.1820	lawyers,	1404.1659
1295		1404.9213	um,	1405.5042
1297		1406.4403	<ts>	1406.5335
1299		1406.5755	and then you had	1407.5267
1301		1407.6153	um-	1408.1749
1303		1409.5364	You know Ben's Chili Bowl?	1410.7301
1304	DCB_int_01	1411.0192	Mm-hm.	1411.3876
1305	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1411.9180	Okay, the guy- So,	1413.1817
1307		1414.9676	uh,	1415.3872
1309		1415.4991	/RD-NAME-4/-	1416.4737
1311		1416.7768	/RD-NAME-2/,	1417.1918
1313		1417.9087	the family that	1418.7154
1315		1418.8459	ran that,	1419.2749
1317		1419.4241	they went there.	1420.1655
1319		1422.0260	And then you had	1423.1032
1321		1423.2885	um- But then you had like,	1424.6175
1323		1425.3962	some black kids that were probably on- You know, you-	1428.0569
1325		1428.1659	you don't have any way of knowing this, but they probably got	1430.3936
1327		1430.6408	some	1430.9718
1329		1431.9604	scholarship,	1432.6831
1331		1433.4059	and they mighta been really smart.	1434.6788
1333		1435.9880	But there parents weren't,	1437.0324
1335		1437.4148	you know-	1437.7692
1337		1438.7624	Cause o- I had one girlfriend of mine, who was like, one of my best friends,	1441.9786
1339		1442.5289	she lived in the pro- what we call the projects	1444.7344
1341		1444.9676	at the time.	1445.5970
1343		1447.8527	So-	1448.4169
1345		1449.4428	But you know,	1450.0350
1347		1451.4665	because we were all black,	1452.5016
1349		1454.6967	and it was back in the seventies,	1456.3334
1351		1457.5224	you know, we-	1458.0540
1353		1458.2359	we ho-	1458.5436
1355		1458.8374	we stayed together.	1459.6709
1356	DCB_int_01	1461.6526	And how long did you stay at /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	1463.2380
1357	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1464.1892	So I stayed there	1465.3398
1359		1465.6056	two-	1466.1558
1361		1466.2631	through	1467.0464
1363		1469.4758	um-	1470.0540
1365		1475.0188	I wanna say ninth grade.	1476.4317
1367		1478.9951	Either ninth or tenth,	1479.9557
1369		1480.2308	something like that.	1481.0748
1371		1481.7929	And I just- You know, I didn't get any attention from any boys.	1484.4916
1373		1486.2774	You know,	1486.7111
1375		1487.1261	there was some racists, and my- For	1489.1346
1377		1489.2932	Ironically, my daughter had the same experience.	1491.4148
1379		1491.7132	That's one reason why she's ended up /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1493.5970
1381		1495.6243	But um,	1496.5335
1383		1497.7412	the- You know,	1498.3847
1385		1498.4873	there was racism.	1499.4338
1387		1500.7395	Um-	1501.2337
1388	DCB_int_01	1502.4682	Overt?	1502.9485
1390		1503.1024	Covert?	1503.5873
1392		1504.2588	Both?	1504.6132
1393	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1506.9295	I guess you would- It depends on how you define that.	1508.8646
1395		1508.9998	I mean,	1509.3215
1397		1509.4195	I- I w- I defined it as	1511.5970
1399		1511.8022	um,	1512.2405
1401		1514.9485	the-	1515.1024
1403		1515.4241	that-	1515.8298
1405		1517.5271	I mean there were a couple of things that happened.	1519.0192
1407		1519.5590	I mean,	1519.9180
1409		1520.0859	you know, nobody called you the N word,	1521.6853
1411		1522.6458	at least not to your face.	1523.8442
1412	DCB_int_01	1524.1053	Hm.	1524.3571
1413	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1524.6089	So	1525.1778
1415		1525.3818	you know, if you consider that to be overt, no, it wasn't overt.	1527.9883
1417		1528.1469	But I do remember	1529.2147
1419		1529.7416	one time,	1530.5110
1421		1530.5996	that- But th- it was hurtful stuff	1532.9159
1423		1533.6433	because I remember one time	1535.2054
1425		1535.7602	that	1536.1333
1427		1536.4084	everybody-	1537.0845
1429		1537.8014	Well it wouldn't have been everybody, but I didn't get invited to a	1540.8137
1431		1541.3732	w-	1541.5831
1433		1541.8022	You know, the Jews have	1543.1265
1435		1544.7900	bar mitzvahs and	1545.6293
1437		1545.7039	bat mitzvahs,	1546.6645
1439		1547.1214	which is like their	1548.1519
1441		1548.8455	coming of age-	1549.8807
1443		1551.3355	You know,	1551.7692
1445		1552.7717	like um-	1553.7276
1447		1554.1986	It would be like our- Like,	1555.5928
1449		1556.7014	Hispanics have /Qui- Quinceaneras/, or something like that.	1559.7602
1451		1559.8628	And what do black people have (laughing)?	1561.0647
1452	DCB_int_01	1561.1207	[/Cotillions./]	1562.0719
1453	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1561.8807	[Cotillions],	1562.6874
1454		1562.7853	but	1562.9951
1456		1563.4101	it's not tied to religion.	1565.0561
1458		1565.9188	Like,	1566.1286
1460		1566.3606	maybe for us it would be um-	1568.3330
1461	DCB_int_01	1569.2609	Oh yea- Mm.	1570.1935
1462	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1570.5665	Well I'm- I was	1571.5271
1464		1571.8069	raised episcopal, so I had um-	1573.9786
1466		1575.1630	<ts> I mean but	1575.7086
1468		1575.8251	w-	1576.1609
1470		1576.3474	Whenever we did that anyway-	1577.7323
1472		1578.2545	You know, these people had big parties	1579.8481
1473	DCB_int_01	1580.1931	Right.	1580.4076
1474	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1580.3936	to go along with this.	1581.4008
1475		1582.5945	So it was cultural.	1583.8955
1477		1584.0727	I don't know what the Hispanics-	1585.5275
1479		1585.9367	There was	1586.5009
1481		1586.6967	religious-	1587.3915
1483		1587.7925	It might just be [cultural.]	1588.9722
1484	DCB_int_01	1588.4313	[Cultural.]	1588.9815
1485	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1589.5458	The- the- the bat mitzvah and the bar mitzvah's cultural	1592.5382
1487		1593.7505	and religious.	1594.9909
1488	DCB_int_01	1594.9209	Right.	1595.1820
1489	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1595.8442	So anyway, they would have that, but you know they were rich and they threw-	1598.6454
1491		1598.8086	It- it- They used to throw,	1599.9324
1493		1600.2961	I mean,	1600.7997
1495		1600.9442	huge	1601.6903
1497		1602.5389	things.	1603.0227
1499		1603.1440	Huge things.	1604.1325
1501		1604.7573	You know, at um,	1605.8345
1503		1606.2075	country clubs and	1607.3732
1505		1608.5016	wherever else	1609.3456
1507		1609.5030	they would have 'em.	1610.2631
1509		1611.0884	It was a big thing.	1611.9557
1511		1612.5106	And so I remember one time not getting invited to that.	1614.4970
1512	DCB_int_01	1614.9493	Hm.	1615.1218
1513	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1615.2093	And I kn- And my best friend was Jewish,	1617.2609
1515		1618.8790	and she got invited.	1619.8349
1517		1621.6009	But she was different kind of Jewish because	1623.6853
1519		1624.2401	she lived on Capitol Hill,	1625.8582
1521		1626.8374	both her parents were lawyers,	1628.1465
1523		1628.4636	but they were civil rights lawyers.	1629.8764
1525		1631.5318	So,	1632.1146
1527		1632.1986	you know, they were more progressive	1634.2957
1528	DCB_int_01	1634.3890	Mm-hm.	1634.8086
1529	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1634.9252	type.	1635.1817
1531		1636.2681	And actually	1637.0935
1533		1637.6157	they knew my father because my father	1639.3130
1535		1639.7315	was	1640.0905
1537		1640.2771	civil rights.	1641.0324
1539		1642.2774	So-	1642.6458
1541		1642.7764	You know what I mean?	1643.3266
1542	DCB_int_01	1643.4525	Mm-hm.	1643.7509
1543	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1644.3105	So it was a different- She wasn't as elitist.	1646.7505
1545		1647.6480	And then we had to catch the bus together because she lived	1650.3198
1547		1650.5809	on Capitol Hill	1651.7500
1549		1652.9812	in Southeast, and then I lived- But- And she lived in Southeast,	1655.5644
1551		1655.6670	but it was Capitol Hill.	1656.6042
1553		1657.4051	And Capitol Hill is of course, booming.	1659.5500
1555		1660.4919	Even back then it was pretty.	1661.7882
1557		1662.2545	I don't know, but Capitol Hill was weird.	1663.8108
1559		1663.9227	But-	1664.1325
1561		1664.9858	You know, and I used to have to go across the bridge,	1667.1914
1563		1667.6250	so we	1668.6555
1565		1669.9926	you know, got	1670.3703
1567		1670.5009	c-	1670.5941
1569		1670.7200	rode the bus together.	1671.6386
1570	DCB_int_01	1671.7039	Mm-hm.	1671.9930
1571	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1672.0443	And it was her and me and also the w- the g- woman who grew up	1674.8980
1573		1675.3083	in the projects. Cause she	1676.6268
1575		1677.2050	lives in Southwest,	1678.3754
1577		1678.8929	so we all got to be really c- And she just was different. She wasn't-	1681.9367
1579		1684.3008	You know, you could tell. She didn't have-	1685.9934
1581		1686.1379	You know, I don't know whether her parents insti- instilled-	1688.8832
1583		1689.9510	You know, cause her father was-	1691.3219
1585		1691.9374	Not only was he civil rights, he worked for Legal Aid.	1694.3610
1587		1695.9790	So he worked for-	1697.5411
1589		1698.6031	He headed the	1699.4937
1591		1700.0672	legal-	1700.7760
1593		1701.5267	I can't remember what it was. And the m- and her mother was a-	1704.0074
1595		1706.1651	was a professor.	1707.2096
1597		1708.9769	But you know, they were progressive.	1710.3245
1598	DCB_int_01	1710.7803	Mm-hm.	1711.1778
1599	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1712.1325	Yeah.	1712.5195
1601		1712.6687	So.	1713.0464
1602	DCB_int_01	1713.2656	Did she go to the party?	1714.1749
1603	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1715.0701	Yeah, she went to the um-	1716.6788
1605		1717.1906	As a matter of fact, I think that's how I found out	1719.3728
1606	DCB_int_01	1719.9744	Mm-hm.	1720.3101
1607	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1720.6178	because she slipped up, and s- Well she didn't slip up,	1723.1632
1609		1723.2885	she thought that I had been invited. She'd assumed that I had been invited.	1726.3427
1611		1727.1308	Because I did get invited	1728.5156
1613		1728.8176	to some of 'em but this particular one I did not get invited to.	1731.7738
1615		1731.9044	And I know	1732.4826
1617		1732.8603	it had to have been because I wasn't-	1734.1333
1619		1735.1393	I mean,	1735.3818
1621		1735.5683	I- I- I-	1735.9460
1623		1738.2635	I've-	1738.4453
1625		1738.5759	My take on it was it was because I was black	1740.7896
1626	DCB_int_01	1741.4844	Mm.	1741.8061
1627	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1741.8201	and not Jewish.	1742.8786
1629		1744.4220	You know that was my take on it.	1745.7696
1631		1746.5623	But it could have been something else,	1747.7500
1633		1747.8714	but that was my interpretation.	1749.2330
1634	DCB_int_01	1749.3635	Right.	1749.6153
1635	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1750.0443	You know.	1750.4220
1637		1751.6064	So that	1752.5902
1639		1753.4331	and	1754.2071
1641		1754.5335	m- I had my first major crush	1756.6085
1643		1757.6716	on a white guy.	1758.6229
1645		1759.4144	And he didn't give me the time of day.	1761.3915
1647		1765.3678	Didn't look my way.	1766.3190
1648	DCB_int_01	1768.3520	And this was when you were in high school?	1770.1986
1649	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1771.8108	[This was in middle school]	1773.2469
1650	DCB_int_01	1771.8201	[Before you went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/- Oh.] Okay.	1773.4521
1651	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1773.4754	right when I was starting to get,	1774.7437
1653		1774.9302	you know-	1775.2427
1655		1775.8488	like boys and stuff like that.	1777.1684
1656	DCB_int_01	1777.2792	Mm-hm.	1777.7222
1657	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1778.0952	Like in pubert- puberty or whatever.	1780.4325
1658	DCB_int_01	1781.1681	And then how did you leave /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	1783.2384
1659	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1784.2864	<ts>	1784.4123
1661		1784.7573	So	1785.6340
1663		1785.8624	um,	1786.5759
1665		1790.7387	it was a combination of that	1792.2868
1667		1792.5246	and	1792.9909
1669		1793.8955	um,	1794.4970
1671		1795.1265	I think	1795.8248
1673		1798.2308	uh-	1798.3707
1675		1798.4733	You know, maybe something happened in our family where my parents couldn't afford it anymore.	1802.3260
1677		1803.4941	You know?	1803.8718
1679		1805.9328	Um, I don't really-	1806.8700
1681		1807.1859	I'm	1807.4750
1683		1807.6056	not-	1807.8434
1685		1807.9600	I can't even remember what the stor-	1809.5221
1687		1809.6853	you know, the story on that was.	1811.2193
1689		1811.4385	But	1811.6903
1691		1811.9607	I know I wasn't that unhappy about it.	1813.6161
1692	DCB_int_01	1814.7946	[Hm.]	1815.1350
1693	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1814.9439	[Because] /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was like-	1816.1945
1694		1817.6250	/Shoot./ That was the place to be.	1819.1545
1696		1819.4844	I mean, you know,	1820.1185
1698		1820.5195	to me.	1820.9672
1700		1822.4220	And	1822.7904
1702		1823.0328	it was definitely	1824.4410
1704		1825.1766	a turning point for me	1826.5149
1706		1826.7014	going there.	1827.2936
1707	DCB_int_01	1828.3194	Why do you say that?	1829.0468
1708	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1830.4597	Oh my God. It was just-	1831.7280
1710		1831.9786	It was a total- Well, f- A little bit it was a culture shock at first	1835.4152
1712		1836.9819	because	1837.8154
1714		1837.9740	um,	1838.4776
1716		1839.8391	I wasn't used to being around all them black people.	1841.9514
1718		1843.6522	<laugh>	1844.3097
1720		1845.0371	And the thing about /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was that	1846.6551
1722		1846.7484	it was	1847.4338
1724		1848.1193	totally mixed,	1849.2151
1726		1850.1931	totally mixed.	1851.5454
1728		1852.2914	It was like the-	1852.8696
1730		1853.1867	the	1853.3452
1732		1853.5504	ultimate melting pot.	1854.9446
1734		1856.0626	And it was	1856.4682
1736		1856.9112	unlike any high school- And it was a huge high school- Unlike,	1859.8162
1738		1859.9328	any high school in the city.	1861.3550
1740		1863.0185	Um,	1863.5547
1742		1864.3101	I mean, you had probably about a equal number of blacks.	1867.9087
1744		1868.5941	You had	1869.3262
1746		1870.2681	um,	1871.0235
1748		1871.3686	Hispanics because you had Columbia Heights kids,	1874.8832
1750		1875.3169	which was Hispanic.	1876.4733
1752		1877.4945	And then you had- And they were from-	1879.1358
1754		1879.5496	You know, they were from a mix of countries,	1881.7226
1755	DCB_int_01	1881.7552	Mm-hm.	1882.3101
1756	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1882.5013	even though they were all Hispanic, they were a mix- Except they weren't Puerto Ricans. W- I didn't know any Puerto Ricans.	1887.1490
1758		1887.4987	But they were South American-	1888.7950
1760		1889.2287	From South American countries most- mainly.	1891.4995
1762		1892.2351	And then you had	1893.5454
1764		1893.7132	um,	1894.4033
1766		1896.8467	blacks from	1897.7035
1768		1897.8387	other-	1898.5941
1770		1899.2982	Like,	1899.5454
1772		1900.1282	maybe West- West Indians?	1901.7602
1773	DCB_int_01	1901.7649	Mm. Mm-hm.	1902.3757
1774	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1902.9353	And then you had	1904.2398
1776		1905.0045	whites	1905.8345
1778		1906.9582	from	1907.5737
1780		1908.5110	that-	1908.8793
1782		1909.0705	up in that area,	1909.8947
1784		1910.8599	from	1911.1677
1786		1911.3449	up in that area where the school was.	1912.9909
1787	DCB_int_01	1914.5891	So you just- [It was very different.]	1916.2677
1788	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1915.1906	[And then you had- And then] you had socioeconomic	1917.6153
1789		1917.7645	[diversity because] you had-	1919.5364
1790	DCB_int_01	1918.2401	[Mm.]	1918.7064
1791	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1920.3618	And this- They're getting rid of this now which is very up-	1922.5801
1793		1922.9392	upsetting to me-	1923.8205
1795		1925.1447	<ts> You had-	1925.6856
1797		1926.7907	They bussed in	1928.1092
1799		1929.4474	kids from Southwest, who at the time	1932.2498
1801		1932.4084	were	1932.8234
1803		1933.6196	mainly from	1934.7154
1805		1935.0324	um- I keep saying the projects, and I know they don't call 'em the projects anymore. Low income housing.	1939.3037
1806	DCB_int_01	1940.3470	They still [call them the projects.]	1941.6899
1807	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1940.6734	[And they were all] black	1942.1888
1808		1943.2333	low income kids.	1944.4084
1810		1944.7208	So you had all of this mix	1946.7807
1812		1947.5640	in that school	1948.3241
1814		1949.8722	which was a	1950.3384
1816		1950.8700	you know,	1951.3410
1818		1952.1418	but they di-	1952.5522
1820		1952.9439	But we didn't mix.	1953.9744
1821	DCB_int_01	1955.4525	Mm.	1955.8955
1822	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1957.0973	It's just like wh- What do they say? All- Why'd all the black kids [sit in the classroom?]	1960.5526
1823	misc	1959.5500	[<knocking>]	1960.0117
1824	DCB_int_01	1960.6924	Mm-hm.	1961.0795
1826		1961.2520	Mm-hm.	1961.6577
1827	misc	1962.6322	I'm heading out.	1963.1171
1828	DCB_int_01	1963.2372	[Okay.	1963.5852
1829	misc	1963.2419	[Sorry.]	1963.5916
1830		1963.7222	You're gonna have to lock up.	1964.6221
1831	DCB_int_01	1964.6827	Mm, yes ma'am.	1965.2656
1832	misc	1965.4428	Alright.	1965.7272
1834		1966.3101	Have a good weekend. <door closes>	1967.2380
1835	DCB_int_01	1967.3546	You too!	1968.0540
1836	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1969.6196	For the most part we didn't mix.	1971.1397
1837	DCB_int_01	1974.1752	And everybody was in their little pocket. Was it	1976.2351
1839		1976.3284	by race? Was it by socioeconomic status?	1978.7531
1841		1978.8696	Both?	1979.4245
1842	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1980.4690	It was by race,	1981.6476
1844		1981.7595	and with- in the blacks, it was socioeconomic.	1984.3427
1845	DCB_int_01	1987.4051	Hm.	1987.7175
1847		1988.9019	So how did-	1989.4195
1849		1989.5827	You know, how did the-	1990.3660
1850	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	1990.5013	Some did- You know, there was a little mixing. Like I had one girlfriend who was black, and she	1994.9345
1852		1995.3169	ended up marrying	1996.3800
1854		1996.8463	this guy who was Hispanic. And he didn't hardly ev- speak any English.	1999.7781
1856		2000.5475	But they got married.	2001.2423
1858		2001.5034	They dated,	2002.0490
1860		2002.2028	and then they got married.	2002.9536
1862		2004.3804	But she almost looked s-	2005.4331
1864		2006.3983	You know, she almost didn't look like she was black,	2008.1888
1866		2009.7742	so.	2010.1519
1868		2013.0698	And he came from low income,	2014.5992
1870		2015.6530	Hispanic,	2016.2918
1872		2017.6103	and she was upper middle class black.	2019.6433
1874		2020.5945	So there was some mixing,	2022.0400
1876		2022.6322	li- little,	2023.2897
1878		2024.4076	but overall,	2025.2563
1880		2025.9184	I don't think there was a lot of mixing.	2027.2940
1881	DCB_int_01	2031.4008	Did it work?	2032.0909
1883		2032.6645	Do you feel like it was a good education, you had a good experience? Or	2035.5275
1885		2035.6989	no, not so [much?]	2036.7295
1886	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2036.6221	[Well you] know, we had it in the classroom, but see I-	2038.6645
1887		2038.8790	What I came from? That school was easy to me.	2040.9446
1889		2041.2943	That was another good thing	2042.4729
1891		2042.6081	about coming from a rigorous private school.	2044.7531
1892	DCB_int_01	2045.5831	Mm.	2045.9177
1893	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2046.0260	I mean I went into that school,	2047.4995
1895		2049.7086	and it was just easy.	2050.7997
1897		2055.8065	It was easy.	2056.5805
1899		2057.2800	And I did really really well.	2058.5389
1901		2058.7616	I mean I did well	2059.7128
1903		2059.8294	in-	2060.2351
1905		2061.1397	at /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	2062.2028
1907		2062.8090	but I-	2063.3079
1909		2064.6742	I mean I did just as well as the rest of those kids	2066.8879
1911		2066.9998	but I um-	2067.9650
1913		2068.4360	I-	2068.5712
1915		2068.7484	I feel like I worked harder	2070.0866
1916	DCB_int_01	2070.5902	Mm.	2070.8234
1917	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2071.0927	to do well.	2071.7688
1919		2072.9672	And when I got to /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	2074.3707
1921		2074.4826	I didn't have to work as hard.	2075.4805
1923		2077.1486	And I could tell the difference	2078.4123
1925		2079.5034	in the	2080.0023
1927		2082.8560	um-	2083.3491
1929		2086.5992	I mean I could just tell the difference.	2088.1006
1931		2089.2372	And another thing is that I- when I got As, I didn't want anybody to know it.	2092.1935
1932	DCB_int_01	2094.0167	Why?	2094.3431
1933	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2094.9901	I remember one time I got like-	2096.2537
1935		2097.0884	I don't know. I got maybe-	2098.2728
1937		2098.4360	I probably got all As.	2099.8955
1939		2101.4191	And um-	2102.1931
1941		2102.8599	Because it-	2103.3355
1943		2103.5687	it didn't seem like it was cool.	2104.8794
1944	DCB_int_01	2105.7090	Mm.	2106.1566
1945	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2106.6124	I don't know where- where I got that from	2108.2631
1947		2110.5013	because	2111.1447
1949		2111.5644	you know,	2112.0354
1951		2112.7348	even the black kids that I	2113.8621
1953		2113.9553	I hung out with, they were high achieving.	2116.0117
1955		2117.7323	So I don't know where I got that from.	2119.1078
1957		2120.0299	I mean, it certainly wasn't like,	2121.7039
1959		2123.8349	uh,	2124.4084
1961		2124.5996	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ where	2125.9320
1963		2127.0091	um-	2127.5011
1965		2132.0393	I don't know.	2132.5662
1967		2134.9815	It just seemed different to me.	2136.1333
1969		2136.9819	I mean there was so much else going on there first of all.	2139.4008
1971		2140.4360	It was so much socializing.	2141.8442
1973		2142.9446	Mm.	2143.5182
1975		2144.6454	So many clubs and	2146.3054
1977		2148.1892	you know, homecoming and	2149.8621
1979		2150.5055	all of that stuff.	2151.3542
1981		2151.4754	Parties, and what do you call it-	2152.8696
1983		2153.0888	uh, dances and	2154.3664
1985		2155.3550	all of that stuff.	2156.1418
1986	DCB_int_01	2156.5195	Did you get [involved in all of that stuff?]	2158.3940
1987	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2157.3355	[/I was alright with-/]	2157.9837
1988		2158.6225	Oh yeah.	2159.1867
1990		2160.1006	<laugh> [I definitely] got involved in that.	2161.7500
1991	DCB_int_01	2160.3664	[<laugh>]	2160.9539
1992		2162.1045	Like what?	2162.7247
1993	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2163.6946	Oh I loved to- I liked to-	2164.7810
1995		2165.0608	I went to the pro- Oh, well first of all, the whole world-	2167.6627
1997		2167.7688	I mean,	2167.9973
1999		2168.1512	there were a lot of-	2169.2609
2001		2169.5547	I had never seen- When I first went there,	2171.3219
2003		2173.9273	<ts> I guess this is sort of like the difference between going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	2176.6785
2005		2177.6483	If you've [ever walked] up on /RD-SCHOOL-2/'s [campus?]	2179.3503
2006	DCB_int_01	2177.9841	[Mm?]	2178.2965
2008		2179.2430	[Mm-hm.]	2179.5695
2009	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2179.9833	Versus /RD-SCHOOL-2/'s campus- [cause I went] to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	2181.9231
2010	DCB_int_01	2181.0278	[/?/]	2181.2936
2011	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2182.3241	[So I know] the difference between /RD-SCHOOL-4/ and /RD-SCHOOL-2/ (laughing)	2185.0472
2012	DCB_int_01	2182.3520	[Mm-hm.]	2182.8463
2013	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2185.4284	when you go and look at the black people.	2186.9718
2015		2187.6386	They were all-	2188.5479
2017		2188.8137	they just seemed- they were all really attractive.	2191.3585
2019		2192.1978	They were all	2193.1537
2021		2193.3262	um,	2193.9744
2023		2195.6577	<ts>	2195.7882
2025		2195.9561	you know, dressed- a lot of 'em dressed well.	2198.4169
2027		2199.4568	You know, they were put-	2200.1049
2029		2200.2168	Well put together.	2201.6297
2031		2202.6788	I- Really. When I went up there, I-	2204.1745
2033		2204.3190	I thought that-	2204.8972
2035		2205.0045	I never had seen so many attractive black people in my life.	2208.0074
2037		2209.3037	You know.	2209.7557
2039		2211.5174	You know, they all took a lot of pride in- And then you know, I have to say that	2215.3410
2041		2215.7175	you know,	2215.9786
2043		2216.0766	a lot of those kids	2217.2703
2045		2219.2846	that grew up in s- on-	2220.2732
2047		2220.4131	that were	2220.7255
2049		2221.4424	the s- You know,	2222.3050
2051		2222.4636	this-	2222.8133
2053		2222.9205	this is not- I mean I lived in New Orleans, so	2224.9676
2055		2225.1168	I mean,	2225.5551
2057		2226.2219	they were like,	2227.3083
2059		2228.8599	bordering- Some of 'em were bordering on not even looking black.	2231.6670
2061		2234.2211	You know.	2234.5988
2063		2234.7154	And they had the nice	2236.0163
2065		2236.1515	you know, whatever- My daughter gets mad when I say this,	2238.1752
2067		2238.2592	but good hair.	2239.0578
2069		2240.4682	And um,	2241.5034
2071		2242.8090	you know,	2243.2380
2073		2243.7416	features, you know-	2244.9493
2075		2245.1684	They were-	2245.4937
2077		2245.7035	They- You know, they- it- it- You know, it- I don't think it's any secret that	2248.8650
2079		2249.2473	at least at one point in this	2250.8793
2081		2251.6103	country because of	2253.5407
2083		2255.8535	you know, slavery and	2257.4342
2085		2258.5009	the light skin, dark skin thing, and	2261.0468
2087		2261.6763	all of that,	2262.3105
2089		2262.4457	that	2262.7161
2091		2263.1171	a lot of people who got the opportunities,	2265.4055
2093		2266.3894	were lighter skinned people.	2267.7649
2095		2270.7946	And that	2271.2143
2097		2271.4055	is very prominent in this city.	2273.5131
2099		2275.4890	You know, it's prominent. I mean it was at one point, prominent.	2278.1935
2100	DCB_int_01	2279.3546	Mm.	2279.7183
2101	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2280.5156	When I was coming up, that was prominent,	2282.2025
2103		2283.2982	and you could see the difference.	2284.6598
2105		2285.4292	And when I got to New Orleans, let's not even talk about New Orleans.	2288.4309
2106	DCB_int_01	2290.5572	Same thing? [Or worse?]	2291.9001
2107	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2291.1121	[I mean they still] have-	2292.1659
2108		2292.2685	Oh, it's much worse.	2293.3037
2109	DCB_int_01	2293.5357	Mm.	2293.8014
2110	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2294.6641	Much worse.	2295.4055
2112		2297.8908	You know.	2298.2452
2114		2299.7781	So a lot of those kids	2301.6573
2116		2303.0235	were	2303.5411
2118		2304.8001	you know-	2305.2011
2120		2306.3050	And then we had some mixed race kids too.	2307.9610
2122		2309.3546	We had some biracial kids, which was not	2311.2011
2124		2311.4704	all that	2311.9740
2126		2313.1677	common back then,	2314.0396
2128		2315.2427	to have biracial-	2315.9747
2130		2316.4504	biracial kids.	2317.3969
2132		2319.0604	You know.	2319.5177
2133	DCB_int_01	2319.8718	Who did they hang out with?	2320.8277
2134	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2323.1918	Well it depends on what they do- who they identify with like,	2325.9604
2135	DCB_int_01	2326.0443	Mm.	2326.3241
2136	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2327.0002	I mean,	2327.4525
2138		2328.1706	the	2328.3524
2140		2328.5296	two that I knew	2329.5228
2142		2332.7484	hung out with black-	2333.6437
2144		2333.9234	Well one I grew-	2334.7161
2146		2334.8234	One grew up in my neighborhood.	2336.6221
2148		2337.6713	And um,	2338.5106
2150		2341.1486	I-	2341.2839
2152		2341.6243	You know, I think	2342.2537
2154		2342.5662	their f-	2342.9065
2156		2343.0558	W- Well their father was African American and their mother was	2346.0773
2158		2346.3851	white,	2346.6555
2160		2347.0099	from England.	2347.8201
2162		2348.5755	And the father I think made a concerted effort	2351.0701
2164		2351.2240	to	2351.7463
2166		2352.4643	integrate them	2353.3736
2168		2354.8040	into	2355.4055
2170		2356.0070	the black community, so	2357.4711
2172		2357.8955	I'm pretty sure he did.	2358.8700
2174		2359.4377	So	2360.1232
2176		2360.3750	um,	2360.8972
2178		2362.2914	<ts>	2362.4220
2180		2362.5712	she definitely-	2363.5924
2182		2364.0587	They definitely identified	2365.5683
2184		2365.6616	with	2366.0999
2186		2367.4195	uh, black people. Now	2368.5013
2188		2369.1261	that being said	2370.0960
2190		2371.3864	he made a concerted	2372.3377
2192		2372.5708	d- effort to integrate them, but not to the point where he was-	2375.3126
2194		2376.7161	You know (laughing),	2377.2337
2196		2378.0719	drop 'em in the-	2378.7294
2198		2378.8926	dropping in them in the hood.	2380.1049
2199	DCB_int_01	2380.8379	[<laugh>]	2382.6369
2200	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2380.8417	[<laugh>]	2381.2753
2202		2382.2498	[You know.]	2382.6415
2203		2383.3305	He didn't want them to be that entrenched.	2385.5967
2204	DCB_int_01	2386.0463	<laugh>	2386.6546
2206		2387.5038	So	2387.9514
2208		2388.2732	to a point,	2388.8505
2210		2389.0087	but not-	2389.4144
2211	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2389.4004	Only to a point.	2390.2584
2212	DCB_int_01	2390.4869	[Mm.]	2390.8226
2213	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2390.4962	[I think] h- Yeah.	2391.4101
2214	DCB_int_01	2392.4686	Now where'd they live?	2393.3359
2216		2393.4525	D-	2393.6297
2218		2393.8069	Do you know?	2394.2265
2219	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2395.1300	Where did they l- They lived down the street from me.	2397.1956
2220	DCB_int_01	2397.3542	Okay.	2397.6806
2221	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2397.6853	But-	2397.8586
2223		2397.9790	But we went to-	2399.0981
2225		2399.5691	We went to school uptown.	2401.1778
2227		2401.9180	[I mean we-]	2402.3610
2228	DCB_int_01	2401.9273	[Gotcha.]	2402.2444
2229	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2402.4449	They went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. Well the bro-	2403.9417
2231		2404.0816	the brother went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	2405.4338
2232	DCB_int_01	2405.9794	When you say uptown, what do you mean?	2407.3923
2233	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2407.7222	Uptown is like,	2408.9625
2235		2410.1562	um-	2410.7857
2237		2412.0540	Sixteenth Street is upto- upper-	2413.6849
2239		2413.8434	upper Northwest.	2414.9765
2241		2415.7505	Upper Northwest, like,	2416.8790
2243		2417.1447	where /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was.	2418.1519
2245		2419.1020	That's uh, considered upper Northwest.	2420.9532
2247		2422.1376	Um,	2422.6831
2249		2423.3592	that's considered uptown.	2424.6415
2251		2426.0905	Um,	2426.6921
2253		2428.5059	Georgetown and- and above-	2430.3105
2255		2431.5077	G- GW would be considered downtown,	2433.6619
2257		2434.9815	you know.	2435.4245
2259		2437.8621	Um,	2438.4030
2261		2441.4105	so.	2441.7556
2262	DCB_int_01	2442.8747	Huh.	2443.0752
2264		2443.3958	I never	2443.9507
2266		2444.1558	heard anybody explain it that way, but that	2445.9790
2268		2446.1422	helps me.	2446.6085
2270		2447.0981	[GW] being down- I mean [understanding that] that's the downtown [area.]	2450.6827
2271	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2447.1960	[/Uh./]	2447.5178
2273		2448.7336	[Yeah, G- s-]	2449.2932
2275		2450.0393	[GT is in the middle-]	2450.9532
2276		2451.1117	Yeah, it's	2451.5500
2278		2451.6806	j- in the middle of downtown, yeah.	2453.3126
2279	DCB_int_01	2453.6483	[Oh.]	2454.2965
2280	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2453.8675	[It's in the] Foggy Bottom area,	2455.4890
2281	DCB_int_01	2455.4797	Mm-hm.	2455.8994
2282	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2455.8947	but that's downtown. Some people might consider that to be Georgetown	2459.6810
2283		2461.9740	because	2462.8719
2285		2465.1028	it's in proximity to Georgetown. But I never considered it be Georgetown because they call it Foggy Bottom	2470.3967
2287		2470.9023	[first of] all.	2471.5396
2288	DCB_int_01	2470.9489	[They-]	2471.2007
2290		2471.4898	Mm-hm.	2471.9654
2291	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2472.7301	And um,	2473.5217
2293		2476.8417	I wish I knew more uh- had a more of a-	2479.1451
2295		2479.6103	knew as much history about the area as some of my friends know about it.	2483.2240
2297		2484.5389	You know, because you know,	2485.6347
2299		2487.5081	all of these areas-	2488.5199
2301		2490.0680	You know a lot of these	2490.9073
2303		2491.3352	rich areas	2492.3983
2305		2492.7527	now-	2493.0511
2307		2493.1490	Georgetown and Foggy Bottom, there were slaves living there.	2495.6390
2308	DCB_int_01	2496.7103	Mm-hm.	2497.1300
2309	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2497.1113	I think you know that.	2497.9227
2310		2498.9578	I mean they still got black churches in Georgetown.	2500.9209
2311	DCB_int_01	2501.3359	[Mm-hm.]	2501.8582
2312	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2501.6670	[And there's] a reason for that.	2502.6648
2313		2503.4051	It's because black people used to live there.	2504.8273
2315		2505.4335	There's still uh-	2506.3334
2317		2506.6458	And then they got	2507.3592
2319		2507.9887	kicked out	2508.4690
2321		2509.3958	basically.	2510.0439
2322	DCB_int_01	2513.4152	I don't know the whole history, but I've	2515.1486
2324		2515.6289	always wondered about the churches	2517.4288
2326		2518.1842	um, when I went to school there.	2519.4525
2327	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2519.4385	Why they have black churches in Georgetown (laughing)?	2521.8341
2328	DCB_int_01	2522.6268	Makes sense. Making the [connection /inaudible/.]	2524.5572
2329	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2523.7972	[And the black people still] go there.	2525.2147
2330		2525.7369	There's still a few scattered around black families there	2529.4148
2332		2529.7272	that didn't sell when	2530.9116
2334		2531.6623	um,	2532.2638
2336		2534.5335	when they were approached.	2535.7925
2338		2537.8582	You know, cause my ex husband actually	2539.8574
2340		2540.1698	um-	2540.5009
2342		2541.3262	His father,	2542.2122
2344		2542.3847	um,	2542.7297
2346		2543.6903	he-	2543.9281
2348		2544.5156	He's not from here. He's from South Carolina, but he's older than me. He's	2547.6480
2350		2548.6038	sixty- He's in like his mid sixties. And his father actually worked	2552.9812
2352		2553.1723	for a Jewish man-	2554.6225
2354		2555.0422	the Jewish man that was	2556.0820
2356		2556.3291	largely responsible for	2558.1465
2358		2558.8553	taking their property from those black people.	2560.8929
2360		2562.9400	You know.	2563.2866
2362		2565.7412	And moving them	2566.8463
2364		2567.3732	to Anacostia	2568.6089
2366		2568.9994	where at the time, white people lived.	2570.8040
2367	DCB_int_01	2573.9607	And now that's a very different	2575.5869
2369		2575.7502	area.	2576.1465
2371		2578.6924	I wanna ask you a question, but before- Cause I wanna ask how you- about college. But before that,	2582.9485
2373		2583.6340	do you remember the riots? The sixties,	2586.1146
2374	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2586.0447	<laugh>	2586.7208
2375	DCB_int_01	2586.9633	um-	2587.3736
2376	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2587.6802	[I'm not that old (whispering).]	2588.4123
2377	DCB_int_01	2587.6942	[I don't know how-]	2588.4076
2378		2588.6268	[That's what-]	2588.9765
2379	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2588.6408	[<laugh>] I'm [just kidding. <laugh>]	2589.9231
2380	DCB_int_01	2589.1817	[So I think you were] really young,	2590.7457
2381	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2591.0841	I [was really young.]	2591.8488
2382	DCB_int_01	2591.2333	[but do you have] any	2592.1986
2383		2592.5156	like- how it affected you as a- a very young person or how you heard your parents talk about it?	2597.4152
2384	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2592.5203	[Yeah.]	2592.8187
2385		2598.6357	So	2599.5403
2387		2599.9926	um,	2600.4496
2389		2601.6340	w- Okay.	2602.1189
2391		2602.3614	The-	2602.4873
2393		2602.7064	Were the riots happen in sixty	2604.0540
2395		2604.5343	three?	2604.7907
2396	DCB_int_01	2605.2477	There was [sixty three and then sixty] eight.	2607.1910
2397	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2605.6149	[No, /sixties/.]	2606.3423
2398	DCB_int_01	2608.0583	Um-	2608.7297
2399	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2608.9489	Okay, I have to remember.	2609.8768
2401		2610.0027	Okay, so-	2611.3083
2402	DCB_int_01	2612.4076	I think the looting was- Was that sixty-eight-ish?	2616.0493
2403	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2616.6089	When did- When was Martin Luther King- King	2618.3330
2404	DCB_int_01	2618.5009	That [was sixty] eight.	2619.4008
2405	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2618.6221	[killed?]	2618.9951
2406		2619.6246	He was killed in sixty eight?	2620.7997
2407	DCB_int_01	2622.0727	Am I making that up?	2622.8747
2409		2623.1160	Or [sixty] three?	2623.8900
2410	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2623.3212	[No.]	2623.6103
2411	DCB_int_01	2625.0324	Maybe it's sixty three.	2626.0163
2413		2626.1329	Now I'm getting all confused.	2627.4945
2414	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2627.5178	Me too.	2628.0354
2415	DCB_int_01	2629.0379	Sixties.	2629.6802
2416	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2630.2724	It was in the [sixties. I was a little girl] in the sixties.	2633.1121
2417	DCB_int_01	2630.8040	[<laugh>]	2631.9510
2418	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2633.2147	I was	2633.7090
2420		2634.1286	born in sixty one.	2635.2244
2422		2636.0626	So	2636.8319
2424		2637.0231	I think	2637.9510
2426		2639.3592	I remember	2640.3664
2428		2642.0252	the march on Washington. My mother was-	2644.9151
2430		2645.0503	So he was still alive,	2646.3606
2432		2648.0252	and I shoulda know this cause I saw something about Kennedy the other day	2650.9159
2434		2652.0901	on hi- by his assassination, but	2654.0765
2436		2654.2584	um,	2654.6174
2438		2657.2881	<ts>	2657.4047
2440		2657.4606	I know my mother said she didn't go to the march on Washington because	2660.4356
2442		2663.6098	she was pregnant with	2665.0320
2444		2666.4810	my brother.	2667.1805
2446		2668.3089	Think my younger brother, so that was sixty three.	2670.5890
2448		2673.2924	So that means I was-	2674.7425
2450		2676.2673	I don't know.	2676.7476
2452		2678.0800	I don't have any independent recollection of that.	2680.5187
2453	DCB_int_01	2680.9057	Mm.	2681.1342
2454	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2681.3394	I-	2681.6705
2456		2682.0248	I have	2682.7942
2458		2683.6335	some	2684.1604
2460		2684.8168	remembrances of things that happened in the sixties like,	2687.7171
2462		2688.5378	um,	2689.1486
2464		2693.0829	I remember my mother talking about- And I don't remember this, but I remember my mother talking about- So we lived	2698.3278
2466		2699.4420	um-	2699.8989
2468		2700.7383	So we lived- There's this bridge called the Susan Bridge,	2703.3530
2469	DCB_int_01	2704.1503	Mm-hm.	2704.4814
2470	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2704.5234	which separated	2705.6331
2472		2706.2999	um,	2706.6870
2474		2707.8061	Southeast from b- really the rest of the city.	2710.0944
2476		2710.8171	And so	2711.7590
2478		2712.6916	when	2713.1439
2480		2713.3071	the- either the ri- when the riots happened, they-	2716.2296
2482		2716.7985	they had the um-	2717.9176
2484		2719.6568	<ts>	2719.7827
2486		2719.8387	What do you call those	2720.9380
2488		2721.4836	people?	2721.9172
2490		2723.3953	The National Guard	2724.6870
2492		2726.2199	shut the bridge down,	2727.3623
2494		2729.0176	so we couldn't get in or out.	2730.6543
2496		2731.8900	And so my mother used to always say- And not- She's not the only one that said this. I heard a lot of people say this-	2736.5004
2498		2736.8502	That was to contain the black people	2738.5568
2500		2739.6514	cause most of the black people lived across the bridge in Southeast.	2742.4212
2502		2744.7934	Um,	2745.3343
2504		2746.8871	I also remember	2748.0248
2506		2749.5170	at the church	2750.2716
2508		2750.8261	that I w- went to, which was across the street,	2752.9384
2510		2753.1808	um-	2753.5865
2512		2756.9100	I don't know what this was, but	2758.1876
2514		2758.7332	they had- we had a very liberal minister. He w-	2761.0180
2516		2761.1299	He was a white guy, but for some reason he wanted to come to a black church.	2764.2250
2518		2765.5026	And um-	2766.1414
2520		2768.7608	Probably to prove how liberal he was.	2770.5141
2522		2771.5679	And he had-	2772.2626
2524		2773.1999	He /rused/ to wear his hair- hair long which	2774.9380
2526		2775.4649	the men-	2775.8566
2528		2775.9778	the white men did at that time.	2777.4466
2530		2778.8082	So you know, he was kind of a different priest kind- type of minister,	2781.9579
2532		2782.3275	you know,	2782.7006
2534		2783.7031	and real progressive-	2785.2164
2536		2785.6475	Whatever.	2786.2572
2538		2787.5255	I remember there being	2788.8358
2540		2789.2508	people-	2789.6331
2542		2789.8476	They let people sleep in the church	2791.5216
2544		2792.3784	when people- And that might have been Vietnam.	2794.0384
2545	DCB_int_01	2795.4933	Mm.	2795.6705
2547		2795.8989	Mm-hm.	2796.2160
2548	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2796.4305	You know, it was	2797.2279
2550		2797.4330	a lot going on in DC.	2798.6127
2551	DCB_int_01	2798.8354	[/Yeah./]	2799.1012
2552	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2798.8541	[But I] was real little,	2799.6841
2553		2799.9032	<laugh> so	2800.5374
2555		2801.5865	um,	2801.9642
2557		2804.1231	that mighta been when the people came to protest for Vietnam,	2806.6525
2558	DCB_int_01	2806.7938	Okay.	2807.1482
2559	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2807.2508	and then he would let them sleep.	2808.5937
2561		2809.1160	They would-	2809.4470
2563		2809.6475	They would camp- They could camp out in the church. I remember that-	2812.5653
2565		2813.6378	visually remembering that.	2814.9061
2567		2816.4251	You know.	2816.8272
2569		2818.0851	If I had other people, my friends, my brothers here, they probably could jog my memory.	2822.2211
2570	DCB_int_01	2823.0825	And I have no [recollection], like, [you know.]	2825.0410
2571	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2823.9918	[Yeah.]	2824.4954
2573		2824.7379	[I] know you wouldn't have any recollection of any of it.	2827.0880
2574		2827.2792	Yeah, so	2828.1838
2576		2829.4556	you know.	2829.7680
2577	DCB_int_01	2830.1923	So how did you get to /RD-SCHOOL-1/?	2831.3487
2578	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2833.2838	Um,	2833.9459
2580		2835.3110	I am-	2836.0150
2582		2836.6539	Back then,	2837.3067
2584		2841.3810	they were dying for black kids.	2843.0969
2586		2844.8502	Black kids, they thought were smart,	2846.3132
2588		2846.5230	and they would throw money at you.	2847.7587
2590		2849.0456	<ts>	2849.1575
2592		2850.0481	Um,	2850.5517
2594		2850.7709	somehow though, I decided that that was the um-	2853.5628
2596		2856.1927	I don't know how I decided that.	2857.6335
2598		2860.5980	That was the school I wanted to go to somehow I decided, and so I-	2864.4589
2600		2865.1525	I applied Early Decision.	2866.6866
2602		2868.0295	And I got in.	2868.7196
2604		2870.4531	And I got some money, but	2871.5442
2606		2871.6887	back then, money did- it didn't even really, you know-	2874.0621
2608		2874.4958	You didn't even need that much money to go to college. <laugh>	2876.9985
2610		2877.2551	Not like you do today.	2878.3275
2611	DCB_int_01	2878.4161	Right.	2878.7658
2612	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2879.0876	So my parents probably coulda paid for it.	2881.3211
2614		2881.4563	They w-	2881.6988
2616		2882.1278	coulda paid for it anyway,	2883.3157
2618		2883.4416	but	2883.6234
2620		2884.6120	I did get some money.	2885.6378
2622		2887.4190	Um,	2887.9506
2624		2888.0800	and then I went-	2888.7748
2626		2889.1478	Then I-	2889.5718
2628		2889.8892	I um-	2890.4068
2630		2892.7476	<ts>	2892.8455
2632		2894.7235	I w-	2895.0033
2634		2895.4183	went there.	2895.9125
2636		2896.6912	And then there was another girl from my neighborhood that I knew that was a-	2899.6102
2638		2900.0439	there before me so I went up there and visited.	2902.4907
2640		2903.7544	And um,	2904.7429
2642		2906.3003	you know,	2906.6407
2644		2906.8121	I really liked it.	2907.5255
2646		2909.5772	I mean I liked it.	2910.4445
2648		2911.9739	I don't think I applied to any other school.	2913.5721
2650		2915.5865	I don't remember applying to any other school.	2917.3304
2651	DCB_int_01	2918.7095	So how'd you get back to /RD-SCHOOL-4/?	2920.0384
2652	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	2921.0223	Well this is the private- per- personal part of it.	2923.5403
2654		2923.7361	I had	2924.3843
2656		2924.4950	a-	2924.6163
2658		2924.8774	um-	2925.0872
2660		2925.4323	really big problem with depression.	2926.9524
2662		2927.9922	And I still do.	2928.8548
2664		2929.6522	Um,	2930.1791
2666		2931.0266	so	2931.6094
2668		2931.7493	I-	2932.3229
2670		2932.9337	And it started when I was in high school.	2934.9621
2672		2935.6009	I had my first episode in high school.	2937.4509
2674		2939.0316	And then,	2939.6844
2676		2940.4771	my parents,	2941.1999
2678		2942.4064	because they were	2943.2411
2680		2944.2902	educated and progressive,	2946.1507
2682		2947.3631	and f-	2948.1884
2684		2949.9032	They- You know, there wasn't-	2951.0923
2686		2951.6425	They didn't have that-	2952.9154
2688		2953.1393	I mean I have to say that that's what it is because you know, people in the black community do not	2956.9850
2690		2957.2928	deal well with	2958.1274
2692		2958.6730	mental illness. And that's a special	2960.4169
2694		2960.8261	um,	2961.1711
2696		2961.7960	issue t- That's a	2962.6073
2698		2962.7658	issue of great concern to me.	2964.3979
2700		2965.8434	You know, being with somebody who has struggled with mental illness,	2968.2669
2702		2969.3254	and um,	2970.1134
2704		2972.0812	they sent me to a psychiatrist.	2973.7074
2706		2974.3225	He was a black guy,	2975.2461
2708		2975.8663	probably one of the few in the city	2977.2745
2710		2977.6149	at the time.	2978.1744
2712		2978.9147	And so I-	2979.9498
2714		2980.9850	You know, that's when I got diagnosed.	2982.7429
2716		2984.3609	But he thought that I	2985.6343
2718		2985.7307	um,	2986.1410
2720		2986.6306	was just having a-	2987.6238
2722		2989.0740	like a-	2989.5170
2724		2990.1045	You know they have this thing with like-	2991.3250
2726		2992.5234	that I	2992.9570
2728		2993.0736	was having an episode because I was-	2995.1113
2730		2996.0101	because it was	2996.6442
2732		2996.8587	l- like separation	2998.2623
2734		2999.3814	from y- my parents,	3000.5051
2735	DCB_int_01	3000.4771	Mm.	3000.6683
2736	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3000.7243	that	3000.8595
2738		3001.0833	you know,	3001.3491
2740		3002.7468	um, in going away to college.	3004.5933
2742		3005.0223	But it turned out to be something	3006.5704
2744		3006.8455	more than that. So when I went to sc- when I went away,	3009.5675
2746		3010.2856	I	3010.8824
2748		3012.2160	had another episode,	3013.4983
2750		3014.0381	and so I- You know, I didn't	3016.1037
2752		3016.6213	really know how to deal with it.	3018.0668
2754		3018.7709	So I just decided that I wanted to come home.	3020.7013
2755	DCB_int_01	3021.1059	Mm.	3021.3577
2756	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3021.9778	You know, and I came home.	3023.4047
2757	DCB_int_01	3026.5510	And /RD-SCHOOL-4/-	3027.3064
2759		3027.5768	And you went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3028.5980
2761		3029.0596	Did you get [really]-	3029.9036
2762	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3029.5912	[<scoff>]	3029.8989
2763		3030.0948	I hated /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3031.0460
2764	DCB_int_01	3031.2418	Well,	3031.5729
2766		3031.7268	Georgetown is great. No- (laughing).	3033.1478
2767	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3033.3950	[Geo- I should have gone- I wanted to go] to Georgetown. I mean, I don't know what Georgetown's like now, but	3037.3677
2768	DCB_int_01	3033.4089	[<laugh>]	3034.8871
2769	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3037.9786	Georgetown back then-	3039.1851
2771		3039.7540	You know, you're talking about the Georgetown of those basketball players.	3042.7383
2773		3043.6930	Okay,	3044.1091
2775		3044.1779	that was-	3044.7934
2777		3045.3670	We used to- We used to even go- There was a place	3047.7311
2779		3047.8523	on Georgetown's campus.	3050.3423
2781		3051.9871	I can't remember the name of it now (whispering).	3053.4653
2783		3054.1228	But it was like The Cellar.	3055.3258
2784	DCB_int_01	3055.9926	The Tombs.	3056.7899
2785	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3057.1432	Yeah, the- I think they changed names.	3058.9664
2787		3059.1482	We- They had black night there.	3060.7569
2789		3062.3691	And that place,	3062.9753
2791		3063.1525	which was hopping,	3064.0571
2793		3064.1876	okay?	3064.5420
2795		3065.3347	It was like Thursday nights or something like that.	3067.6242
2797		3068.8307	But that was when Patrick Ewing and	3070.6400
2799		3072.0854	them were there,	3072.8688
2801		3073.0413	and	3073.3398
2803		3073.4703	it was	3073.8947
2805		3074.2024	very-	3074.7666
2807		3075.2178	They had quite-	3075.9545
2809		3076.2203	You know, and I hear this about	3077.4560
2811		3077.7777	a lot of the colleges throughout the country. They're not as um-	3080.9985
2813		3081.5442	Cause I had a girlfriend that when to Brown, and you would go on Brown's campus,	3084.6497
2815		3085.6615	and you wouldn't know you were on a white school campus.	3088.0431
2817		3089.1342	They would have parties- Like, they were partying in the hood	3091.6056
2819		3093.1292	on Brown's campus. And same with Harvard.	3094.9291
2821		3096.3326	Cause when I was in- in Boston, we would go to Harvard,	3098.7795
2823		3099.7214	and	3099.9732
2825		3100.6539	I mean-	3101.0689
2827		3101.6145	But I understand the schools are not like that anymore.	3104.0952
2829		3104.7748	And that's how Georgetown was.	3106.1783
2831		3107.8756	Okay?	3108.2347
2833		3109.2045	And /RD-SCHOOL-4/ did-	3109.9972
2835		3110.1278	s- I don't know how /RD-SCHOOL-4/ fell- fell by the [wayside] (laughing).	3113.1762
2836	DCB_int_01	3112.5793	[<laugh>]	3113.2928
2837	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3113.8710	But /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not	3114.9947
2839		3115.2792	um,	3115.5916
2841		3116.2805	you know-	3116.6407
2843		3117.0079	It wasn't quite like that,	3118.1410
2845		3118.4161	but	3118.6866
2847		3119.7497	it was um-	3120.5378
2849		3120.9714	And you know, I was a commuter student too, so it was kind of hard to get really-	3124.8451
2851		3125.5539	And it was so different from /RD-SCHOOL-1/. I had-	3127.4703
2853		3128.2677	I made such-	3129.2457
2855		3129.4043	As a matter of fact, one of my best friends to this day, even though I was there for a half an hour-	3133.2512
2857		3133.8434	The I was telling you who-	3134.9420
2859		3135.4556	who's on the	3135.9965
2861		3136.3275	uh,	3136.5840
2863		3136.7705	Board of Directors of the Boys and Girls Club in Westchester?	3139.1672
2865		3139.6988	I met her at /RD-SCHOOL-1/.	3140.7013
2866	DCB_int_01	3141.0499	Mm.	3141.3763
2867	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3141.5721	She's still my good friend.	3142.7388
2869		3143.3767	I mean like, for-	3144.1927
2871		3144.3466	thirty something years later.	3145.6137
2873		3147.4602	And she's the Godmother to my daughter,	3149.2368
2875		3150.0715	so	3150.6450
2877		3151.1486	you know, I	3151.6802
2879		3151.8527	really bonded with a lot of people there	3153.8333
2881		3154.4628	at /RD-SCHOOL-1/.	3155.0876
2883		3155.6331	So I was heartbroken when I had to come home, but I was just too sick.	3158.7386
2885		3160.3275	You know, I was too sick, or I f-	3162.0248
2887		3162.2253	You know.	3162.6030
2889		3165.0919	So	3165.7027
2891		3165.8012	um, that's how I ended- I actually made the decision to go to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ because I didn't have a car,	3170.2584
2893		3171.3250	and	3171.9732
2895		3173.2275	I knew	3173.5819
2897		3174.0155	I would have to catch the Metro.	3175.3351
2899		3176.4169	So it was a practical decision.	3178.3969
2900	misc	3180.5657	I'm just saying goodnight and let you know I'm leaving.	3182.0858
2901	DCB_int_01	3182.1931	Goodnight, I'll see you Monday.	3183.3530
2902	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3183.4462	Goodnight.	3183.8892
2904		3184.9850	I didn't wanna go to Howard because I didn't think-	3186.8035
2906		3187.5076	Well,	3187.7268
2908		3187.8574	that's another thing. My girlfriend and I were talking about this.	3190.2880
2910		3191.0363	/Unintelligible/.	3191.5259
2912		3191.6331	The same girlfriend of mine because her son goes to Howard, and now my daughter goes to Spelman. And we were like,	3196.0757
2914		3196.1970	wait a minute.	3196.7658
2916		3198.5331	You know,	3198.9527
2918		3199.3444	it's something about	3200.2304
2920		3200.7934	that	3201.0359
2922		3201.2784	generation. Now you-	3202.2902
2924		3202.9011	you know, you	3203.3720
2926		3203.7264	are clearly the exception but	3205.1393
2928		3205.2792	it's something about that generation. We	3207.2691
2930		3207.9918	were like-	3208.5793
2932		3209.2368	My parents went to black schools.	3211.1999
2934		3211.8713	They had to go to black schools.	3213.3716
2936		3214.2669	Her parents went to black schools. They had to go to black schools.	3217.2558
2938		3220.3089	O- Once we got the o-	3221.6565
2940		3221.8383	the-	3222.0901
2942		3222.8875	the choice,	3223.8247
2944		3225.3017	a lot of us turned-	3226.3415
2946		3226.6446	turned our noses up against black schools.	3228.7522
2947	DCB_int_01	3229.1766	Mm.	3229.4517
2948	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3229.4936	So Howard wasn't even really a consideration for me.	3232.0804
2950		3232.5234	Even though I know-	3233.1622
2952		3233.3487	I know	3233.6751
2954		3233.8476	people that went to Howard.	3234.8175
2956		3235.8480	You know, but a lot of people	3236.9939
2958		3237.2178	in	3237.4089
2960		3237.6607	this city went- they went to Howard by default.	3239.5212
2962		3241.6335	/Funny./	3242.2071
2964		3242.6349	You know (laughing).	3243.2784
2966		3246.2020	You know, so	3247.0040
2968		3248.3050	you know. But that's how I felt about it.	3250.0105
2970		3250.1177	And when she and I talked about it,	3251.5212
2972		3251.6798	and she was like, Well that-	3252.9574
2974		3253.6662	you know, that's had to have been going-	3255.0452
2976		3255.3297	Aside from the fact that	3256.4348
2978		3256.5467	white schools w-	3257.1808
2980		3257.4979	were throwing money at us.	3258.6497
2981	DCB_int_01	3259.1253	Mm.	3259.3118
2982	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3260.1686	So	3260.5988
2984		3261.2504	you know-	3261.6328
2986		3264.7476	you know that was a big consideration too.	3266.3703
2988		3267.0312	But that didn't h- have say anything to do with why I didn't apply to Howard.	3270.0062
2990		3271.1766	[You know.]	3271.5779
2991	DCB_int_01	3271.1859	[<laugh>]	3273.1805
2992	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3271.8900	[<laugh>]	3272.6722
2993		3273.3810	But Howard did not have- Howard didn't have a Metro at the time either.	3276.6217
2994	DCB_int_01	3278.0439	That is true.	3278.6873
2995	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3279.4323	Howard did not have a Metro, so /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was	3282.0481
2997		3283.1952	Catholic,	3283.8480
2999		3284.8587	AU.	3285.3343
3001		3286.1643	I didn't think about those.	3287.2601
3003		3288.2253	So that's how I ended up at /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3289.9972
3005		3291.5255	And um,	3292.2389
3007		3292.5514	/RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not as hard as /RD-SCHOOL-1/.	3294.4305
3009		3295.6195	That's another thing. That's ho- [I mean] because I've been to- through different schools, I can say	3299.5529
3010	DCB_int_01	3296.7282	[Hm?]	3296.9333
3011	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3300.7056	you know, that certain schools are harder than others.	3302.8832
3012	DCB_int_01	3303.2644	Mm-hm.	3303.5721
3013	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3304.5280	You know,	3304.8200
3015		3304.9430	/RD-SCHOOL-4/ wasn't as hard as /RD-SCHOOL-1/.	3306.6077
3017		3308.4029	You know.	3308.7806
3018	DCB_int_01	3309.4556	That surprises me.	3310.4861
3020		3311.4280	People talk about the academic rigor of /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	3313.7081
3021	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3313.7128	I think /RD-SCHOOL-4/ has changed.	3315.2924
3022	DCB_int_01	3315.6607	Mm.	3316.1410
3023	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3316.6446	I don't know, maybe it hasn't.	3317.8243
3025		3320.0672	I don't know.	3320.5894
3027		3321.2644	Maybe it was just my experience, but-	3323.1482
3029		3323.2321	but maybe	3323.8430
3031		3323.9456	they talk about the academic /of/ rigor, but	3325.9459
3033		3326.6081	/RD-SCHOOL-1/ was a little Ivy.	3328.0711
3035		3329.3021	I mean as /academic r- -ly/ as /RD-SCHOOL-4/ may or may not be, it is not academically as rigorous,	3335.2508
3037		3335.3674	a- I can say for sure, as Harvard.	3337.4424
3039		3338.3236	So [you have] different levels of academic rigor.	3340.6726
3040	DCB_int_01	3338.5043	[/Oh./]	3338.7841
3041		3341.0456	Right.	3341.3021
3042	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3342.2813	You know?	3342.6450
3044		3343.4517	I don't know.	3344.0439
3046		3345.1292	[I know] I went t- to those two schools and they-	3347.2694
3047	DCB_int_01	3345.1805	[/Could-/]	3345.3670
3048	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3347.7451	/RD-SCHOOL-4/- And I had the same major. /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was not	3350.4868
3050		3351.9125	as hard.	3352.4674
3051	DCB_int_01	3353.2275	What was your major in college?	3354.3093
3052	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3354.4352	Psychology.	3355.2325
3053	DCB_int_01	3355.1719	Psychology.	3355.7967
3054	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3355.7035	Surprise surprise.	3356.7666
3055	DCB_int_01	3357.7960	So how did you end up-	3358.9897
3057		3359.3953	How did you-	3359.9036
3059		3360.1740	Because your dad was an attorney, is that why you wanted to be an attorney?	3362.9147
3060	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3363.2737	Mm, no, not really.	3364.4115
3062		3365.3394	I think my mother really kind of pushed me.	3367.2885
3064		3369.7074	My father was very happy and very proud of me, no mistake.	3372.5611
3066		3375.6514	Um, and he did-	3376.8171
3068		3379.7734	I really wanted to be a psychologist,	3381.6980
3070		3382.5700	and um,	3383.4373
3072		3383.7078	he did	3384.4072
3074		3385.2465	um,	3385.7268
3076		3385.8713	he did tell me that he thought I would make more m-	3388.0291
3078		3388.3182	I wanted to get	3389.0410
3080		3389.8943	um- I-	3390.3372
3082		3390.5331	I wanted to get a-	3391.2045
3084		3391.5729	maybe a big	3392.2117
3086		3392.3924	um-	3392.7841
3088		3395.3534	<ts>	3395.4839
3090		3395.5679	I wanted to get a PhD in Psychology.	3397.2792
3092		3397.3724	Maybe a combined PhD	3399.1292
3094		3399.3064	JD,	3399.7866
3095	DCB_int_01	3400.2016	Mm-hm.	3400.5327
3096	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3400.5514	which was a program they had at the time.	3402.2940
3098		3404.3609	But he told me that he-	3405.5303
3100		3405.9405	he told me that um,	3407.3301
3102		3408.7196	I mean,	3409.1299
3104		3409.4703	you know.	3409.7665
3106		3410.1080	He was a man of	3410.9473
3108		3412.1457	few words but	3413.2415
3110		3413.8710	he told me that	3414.6450
3112		3414.9341	he thought I would make more money as a lawyer,	3416.8354
3114		3417.5675	that I wouldn't ma-	3418.0244
3116		3418.2203	I wouldn't make as much money as a um-	3420.0575
3118		3421.4657	as a-	3422.1163
3120		3424.9430	as a psychologist.	3426.2440
3121	DCB_int_01	3429.4089	[And so] attorney you were.	3430.5280
3122	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3429.4742	[S-]	3429.6841
3123		3431.0456	That's right.	3431.5446
3124	DCB_int_01	3432.2906	And you've been doing it for-	3433.4983
3126		3433.8947	That's been	3434.4868
3128		3434.6815	pretty much your whole adult careers?	3436.2856
3130		3436.9570	[In the legal field?]	3437.8383
3131	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3436.9617	[That's been my only] career	3438.3745
3132		3438.9015	as a d- as an adult.	3440.0961
3133	DCB_int_01	3442.8544	Have you enjoyed it?	3443.6611
3134	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3443.8943	No.	3444.2253
3136		3444.5751	I have not enjoyed it.	3445.5589
3138		3449.1902	I'm happy for the	3450.3419
3140		3450.4958	uh-	3451.0413
3142		3451.2325	What do you call it?	3451.7874
3144		3457.0507	Some of the skills that I've learn-	3459.0359
3146		3459.2457	that I learned in law school, but /oof/.	3461.5212
3148		3463.8853	Mm-mm. It's-	3464.4868
3150		3464.9427	Mm-mm.	3465.3343
3152		3466.9850	I mean-	3467.3907
3154		3471.6654	No, I haven't enjoyed it.	3472.8451
3156		3475.4563	And	3475.7688
3158		3477.3297	you know, I struggled through law school.	3479.1482
3160		3480.2160	So	3480.7942
3162		3482.6909	you know,	3482.9753
3164		3484.2016	common sense should have told me that I wasn't going to enjoy [being a lawyer (laughing).]	3487.5230
3165	DCB_int_01	3486.7522	[<laugh>]	3488.6687
3166	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3489.9918	I mean, it's just like,	3490.7285
3168		3490.8684	killing yourself to get through engineering school, and then expecting you- expecting you to like being an engineer.	3495.4771
3170		3496.4767	[You know?]	3497.1016
3171	DCB_int_01	3496.5514	[Doesn't work?]	3497.2415
3172	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3497.4793	No.	3497.9922
3174		3498.3559	You know?	3498.7103
3176		3499.2792	And I just-	3500.2339
3178		3501.3763	You know.	3501.7353
3180		3503.2135	I like the idea of the-	3504.7942
3182		3504.9947	the-	3505.3071
3184		3505.5636	you know,	3505.9366
3186		3506.4169	the-	3506.6640
3188		3507.6374	the title	3508.3462
3190		3508.5514	I guess, and	3509.2928
3192		3510.2813	you know, people-	3510.9667
3194		3511.0740	Some people are impressed.	3512.4962
3196		3514.0338	And I think when I first came out, I was impressed with myself,	3516.4025
3198		3516.9388	but it was because I um,	3518.5708
3200		3520.3182	<ts>	3520.4068
3202		3520.4628	I worked so hard.	3521.5725
3204		3522.0248	And I really didn't think I was gonna make it through.	3523.9226
3206		3526.8778	I worked really hard. And- and part of me-	3528.8129
3208		3528.9574	I mean I know a big part of me is	3530.6267
3210		3531.3250	um-	3531.7307
3212		3532.4348	I am-	3533.2135
3214		3537.3297	I wanted to prove to myself that I could do it,	3539.1342
3215	DCB_int_01	3539.9642	Mm-hm.	3540.2440
3216	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3540.2626	which is not a really good reason to	3542.0159
3218		3542.4402	start a career. But you know, when you're in it	3544.3555
3220		3544.4907	and you're young,	3545.3627
3222		3545.5352	you know.	3545.8523
3224		3546.3186	Cause I didn't want anybody to ever say that I c- I didn't wanna ever say	3549.8799
3226		3550.0944	that I couldn't do it,	3550.8917
3228		3551.0270	but you know,	3551.5492
3230		3551.9083	I sort of wanted to be a social worker,	3553.5729
3232		3554.1231	something like that.	3554.9985
3234		3555.7214	Or, I mean, I really still love psychology. I read about psychology,	3559.5589
3236		3560.3784	you know, that type of thing.	3561.3763
3238		3562.7239	You know, that's definitely who I am.	3564.5424
3239	DCB_int_01	3566.0614	Would you ever [go] back and study it?	3567.7587
3240	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3566.3924	[You know.]	3566.7235
3241		3570.3885	<ts>	3570.5144
3243		3570.6636	Um, no.	3571.7827
3245		3572.2910	Not at this point.	3573.1338
3247		3574.7612	I mean there are things that uh- that I can do to um-	3577.6895
3249		3578.8074	You know, at this point- At a certain point,	3580.5933
3251		3580.8171	you know, a job becomes	3582.1740
3253		3582.3046	a job.	3583.0087
3255		3583.4377	It becomes a way to	3585.3064
3257		3586.6773	uh,	3587.1948
3259		3587.6798	make money.	3588.4118
3261		3590.0987	And um,	3591.1898
3263		3593.1249	you know, don't get me wrong. I'm happy. I'm h- I have a good job,	3596.0952
3265		3596.2350	and um,	3597.1292
3267		3598.1783	it doesn't take up all of my time.	3599.8150
3269		3601.9133	You know.	3602.3346
3271		3604.2669	So	3604.7985
3273		3605.9549	um.	3606.4678
3274	DCB_int_01	3611.9969	I'm'a shift the conversation for a minute.	3613.6790
3276		3615.4696	Have you been a tourist in your own town?	3617.4886
3277	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3617.8616	[<laugh>]	3618.5611
3278	DCB_int_01	3618.1507	[You know, people] [travel miles] and miles to come to DC to go to the monuments, go to the White House, all these things, and it's in your backyard.	3624.2953
3279	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3618.9154	[That-]	3619.1766
3280		3624.3326	I have been so-	3625.4284
3282		3625.6802	That really just-	3626.9147
3284		3627.6234	The only time that I do that type of stuff-	3629.6518
3286		3629.8756	I mean I really wanna do better at that,	3631.6610
3288		3631.7967	and	3632.1977
3290		3633.8333	um-	3634.2063
3292		3634.3415	is when people come to town.	3635.5679
3294		3637.4144	Now	3637.7128
3296		3638.1698	I-	3638.5288
3298		3639.8006	You know, and I have a-	3641.2321
3300		3642.6497	And as I've gotten older, I definitely-	3644.8272
3302		3645.2038	You know, that's definitely on m- my to do list.	3647.8150
3304		3648.8035	Um, and then-	3649.4703
3306		3649.7361	You know, there's certain things that I even forgot existed, like the Frederick Douglass house is like, right	3654.7243
3308		3654.8828	in	3655.2325
3310		3656.4542	Anacostia, up on the hill,	3658.3135
3312		3658.8917	and I had totally forgotten about that until somebody	3661.3025
3314		3662.9100	mentioned-	3663.8286
3316		3664.4161	Did you tell me that?	3665.1948
3317	DCB_int_01	3666.1974	[Mm-mm.]	3666.5191
3318	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3666.3792	[No.] <laugh>	3667.5123
3319		3667.6615	There's somebody that I was talking to	3669.4509
3321		3670.4581	who said	3671.0130
3323		3671.1622	um,	3671.5772
3325		3673.0600	Yeah, and I went to the Frederick Douglass hou- I'm like- I was like, the-	3675.4462
3327		3675.5721	/dang/ I forgot about the Frederick Douglass house.	3677.5725
3329		3678.1507	I wanna go back and look at that.	3679.3584
3331		3680.1500	And um,	3681.2084
3333		3683.3674	<ts>	3683.4653
3335		3684.9154	the Smithsonians. I mean I do things like,	3687.7820
3337		3688.2902	when I'm like, super interested.	3690.0668
3339		3691.1952	Like,	3691.4563
3341		3692.3645	I wanted to go see the Bill Cosby exhibit,	3694.1830
3343		3694.9710	so I did that.	3695.7171
3345		3695.8430	You know.	3696.1683
3347		3696.8595	I- I have a girlfriend that actually got tickets to go to the White House,	3700.9912
3349		3701.8849	and	3702.5284
3351		3703.4890	um,	3704.0579
3353		3705.0732	she's coming from Florida to go,	3706.6400
3355		3706.7612	and she called me and asked me did I wanna go to the White House. I was like, Yeah, I-	3710.1604
3357		3710.3225	Have I ever been? I don't think I've ever been	3711.8566
3359		3712.2809	to the White House.	3713.0783
3361		3713.5119	I might have when I was little girl.	3714.9854
3363		3715.7315	You know.	3716.1418
3365		3717.3903	But no, I have not been a tourist in my home town. And that-	3720.2113
3367		3720.2906	that's definitely something that I need to-	3721.9693
3369		3722.4251	You know, I'm getting really up in age, and I really need to um-	3725.1529
3371		3726.0015	You know, and I wish I had taken- And I hope you do this with your daughter,	3729.0079
3373		3730.1550	like maybe every weekend when she gets to be a certain age,	3732.9108
3375		3733.3631	just	3733.5636
3377		3733.8947	make it a point to take her once place.	3736.0198
3379		3737.6285	You know?	3737.9782
3380	DCB_int_01	3738.2626	[Mm.]	3738.5704
3381	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3738.3233	[And as she] grows up,	3739.3817
3382		3740.7981	um-	3741.1245
3384		3741.6701	You know, she's in school here, so	3743.1389
3385	DCB_int_01	3744.0435	[She's in Georgia.]	3745.0180
3386	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3744.0481	[she's gonna g- she's gonna] go-	3745.2745
3387		3746.3376	She's /not/ in school in Georgia though.	3747.8566
3388	DCB_int_01	3748.0897	Mm-hm.	3748.3742
3389	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3748.8684	She goes to school in Georgia?	3749.9829
3390	DCB_int_01	3750.0854	Mm-hm.	3750.3745
3391	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3751.1999	Oh I didn't know that.	3752.0206
3392	DCB_int_01	3752.2199	She's here for the summers.	3753.3623
3393	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3753.6234	Oh,	3754.5560
3395		3754.7658	well that- You should definitely make a point of that because she's not gonna-	3757.8387
3397		3758.0579	you're not gonna- You know, if she was in school here, they would	3760.7045
3399		3762.5424	take her on little-	3763.2931
3401		3763.4470	take 'em on a little	3764.2910
3403		3765.0686	um,	3765.3530
3405		3765.8519	field trips and stuff like that. But you should- When she's here for the summer, you should just make it a point	3770.3889
3407		3771.8566	of saying, We're just gonna do one thing	3773.9549
3409		3774.5098	every weekend.	3775.2978
3411		3778.5094	Cause I wish I had done that with my daughter.	3780.0808
3412	DCB_int_01	3782.1360	Yeah.	3782.5043
3413	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3783.1991	You know.	3783.5721
3415		3784.0524	Cause there's a lot to see here.	3785.7451
3416	DCB_int_01	3786.8875	It is.	3787.4330
3417	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3787.6755	Tons of stuff to see here,	3789.1805
3419		3789.2924	and a lot of it is free.	3790.7565
3420	DCB_int_01	3793.4237	People come from miles and miles and [miles.]	3796.0291
3421	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3795.3623	[They come from]	3796.2949
3422		3796.5514	miles and mi- And the cherry blossoms,	3799.4330
3424		3800.0625	and you know, just-	3801.4929
3426		3804.5004	So yeah.	3805.1719
3428		3806.5463	No I have not been a- as much of a tourist in my own town- own town	3810.4165
3430		3812.0019	as I should be.	3812.8261
3431	DCB_int_01	3814.3648	There are two things that are very unique to DC.	3816.6776
3433		3817.6475	I'm pretty sure you can guess.	3819.1432
3435		3819.6001	Go go music	3820.4255
3437		3820.5420	[and mumbo sauce.]	3821.6594
3438	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3820.5560	[Oh God. Here we go.]	3821.9502
3439	DCB_int_01	3822.2860	<laugh>	3822.7849
3440	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3822.7989	Well they just had something on the radio talking about go go. Can they keep it alive?	3826.6213
3441	DCB_int_01	3828.8269	Do you like go go music?	3829.9553
3442	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3830.1138	It's alr- Yeah I like Chuck Brown. I actually looked at	3832.6819
3444		3832.7985	um-	3833.3161
3446		3833.8243	I also have to say- You know what?	3835.4051
3448		3835.7081	And I'm gonna say this, and my friend got mad at me	3837.5255
3450		3838.0431	cause I have another friend, and he wants to come do this interview so bad.	3841.2652
3452		3841.6802	And he was calling me.	3842.6687
3454		3843.2877	He's like, Well have you gone yet?	3844.5327
3455	DCB_int_01	3844.7239	<laugh>	3845.7824
3456	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3846.3186	I was like, /RD-NAME-2/.	3847.1346
3458		3848.9613	And then I was telling him that you were from Georgia, right?	3851.0130
3459	DCB_int_01	3851.1622	Mm-hm.	3851.5492
3460	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3852.0528	He went to Morehouse, so he's like,	3853.3211
3462		3853.9832	I bet I know her father.	3855.2411
3464		3855.3670	I was like, /RD-NAME-2/.	3856.1270
3466		3856.7798	He said, ask her if she knows so and so and so. I [was like, She's not gonna know] these old people.	3860.6407
3467	DCB_int_01	3858.8455	[<laugh>]	3859.8107
3468		3860.8914	[<laugh>]	3863.6425
3469	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3861.3483	[She- <laugh>]	3863.8290
3470		3864.5471	But um, so he um-	3866.4635
3472		3866.7561	We had this debate	3867.7680
3474		3867.9638	cause I told him	3868.6353
3476		3868.7612	I didn't get into go go when I was younger.	3870.6730
3478		3872.3376	I didn't go to those go go places,	3874.0991
3480		3874.6633	and he was like-	3875.4886
3482		3876.0621	Cause I said- And I was telling him- I said, That was socioeconomic.	3878.9985
3484		3879.2411	That was a socioeconomic thing.	3880.8731
3486		3881.3627	And he said- Although my daughter is very much into go go, okay?	3883.8527
3488		3884.4962	So he said-	3885.1525
3490		3885.7074	<ts>	3885.7820
3492		3885.8659	He said, No it's not. No it's not.	3887.4466
3494		3888.5144	So we were having that debate or whatever. It-	3890.4029
3496		3890.8401	it- Go go miss-	3891.8286
3498		3891.9359	I- Somehow go- I missed go go	3893.8559
3500		3894.0062	um,	3894.4025
3502		3894.5797	coming up.	3895.1439
3504		3895.3771	But	3895.5729
3506		3895.7781	um,	3896.0718
3508		3897.9359	<ts>	3898.0804
3510		3899.3860	I like it.	3899.9969
3512		3900.2160	And I s-	3900.9901
3514		3901.1299	And I mean I like some of it.	3902.5568
3515	DCB_int_01	3902.8774	Mm.	3903.0779
3516	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3903.2131	And then, I um-	3904.8218
3518		3905.4560	But I didn't-	3906.1694
3520		3907.3304	I wasn't involved when I was younger. I never went to a go go	3910.2623
3522		3910.6773	um, whatever they call it.	3911.6145
3524		3912.3792	They ha- They have a name for it.	3913.5449
3526		3914.8354	Maybe it's go [go. <laugh>]	3918.3419
3527	DCB_int_01	3915.4836	[I think it's the go go. <laugh>]	3917.8841
3528		3918.3932	You go to the go go and then you	3919.9180
3530		3920.0579	hear go go music.	3920.9660
3531	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3921.0079	Right.	3921.4462
3532	DCB_int_01	3921.6468	Mm-hm.	3921.9219
3533	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3922.3602	I never-	3922.7985
3535		3922.9617	I never went to any- any go go parties. I never dance,	3926.3050
3537		3927.4369	you know, into- went into any house parties where they did go go.	3930.5331
3539		3931.4051	Um,	3931.9832
3541		3935.1016	and uh,	3935.8523
3543		3938.2304	you know, I basically was f-	3939.6094
3545		3940.1830	first really turned on to go go by	3942.5144
3547		3942.8642	Spike Lee's movie.	3943.9879
3548	DCB_int_01	3945.8752	/Do [the Right Thing]/	3946.8575
3549	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3946.0431	[You] know and that was when I was in college or a little bit after college /during the ?/- And that's-	3949.7688
3550		3949.9879	that took it-	3950.5277
3552		3951.2318	He- You know, he kind of took it on the national level	3953.3907
3553	DCB_int_01	3953.6984	Mm-hm.	3954.1134
3554	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3954.0528	with that.	3954.4631
3555		3955.1952	He hooked up with Chuck Brown	3956.4962
3557		3957.4183	or he came to- He used to hang out in DC,	3959.5772
3559		3960.3279	and he would come down to DC from New York. And then he heard go go, and then, you know, when it became famous,	3965.7124
3561		3966.4865	then he was like, I'm gonna- You know, I'm'a-	3967.9459
3563		3968.1325	I'm'a put-	3968.6127
3565		3968.8261	go go on the map.	3969.7260
3567		3970.4954	You know?	3970.8638
3569		3971.4326	So	3972.0388
3571		3972.3606	but	3972.6870
3573		3972.9807	um,	3973.4517
3575		3975.0499	Chuck Brown was a genius. And I actually saw something. They do- They have this thing called Unsung.	3979.1346
3576	DCB_int_01	3979.6708	Mm-hm.	3980.0625
3577	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	3980.0707	Unsung? They did something on him, and I saw that a few weeks ago.	3983.1902
3579		3984.5797	And um,	3985.3398
3581		3986.9427	you know,	3987.3297
3583		3987.6934	and mumbo sauce.	3988.7425
3585		3992.1313	That's so stereotypical (laughing).	3993.4416
3587		3993.7540	I don't even know what mumbo sauce is.	3995.6611
3589		3998.8541	I don't-	3999.1618
3591		3999.2737	I don't-	3999.6001
3593		3999.7214	I don't know if I've ever tasted mumbo sauce. I probably have.	4002.3233
3595		4004.2386	I probably have tasted it, but.	4005.5768
3596	DCB_int_01	4007.6611	Do you frequent the carry outs?	4009.2652
3597	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4011.5209	Mm, not anymore.	4012.7425
3599		4013.1109	No.	4013.4233
3600	DCB_int_01	4016.7328	Now how do you define a carry out?	4018.3602
3601	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4020.1181	Those things-	4020.5984
3603		4020.7429	that's just like the difference between	4022.3796
3605		4023.4742	uh,	4024.0571
3607		4025.5166	a wine and beer store and a liquor store.	4027.5030
3608	DCB_int_01	4028.1080	[<laugh>]	4030.1970
3609	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4028.6536	[<laugh>]	4029.1665
3610		4031.6658	I mean I used to go to the carry outs. Yeah.	4033.9914
3611	DCB_int_01	4033.9914	Mm.	4034.1313
3612	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4035.4416	I mean,	4035.8612
3614		4038.3233	and I know I have had mumbo sauce. I h- I can r-	4040.7526
3616		4041.0359	think in my head	4041.8985
3618		4042.0851	the times when I would go cause I had a girlfriend that liked mumbo sauce.	4044.9714
3620		4045.7734	But I'm- I'm /not/ like a real	4047.0872
3622		4047.1711	big	4047.4509
3624		4047.6934	food person	4048.7239
3626		4048.8078	in terms of like, experimenting with foods.	4050.9434
3628		4051.0460	/Blah de blah de blah/, that thing- that thing.	4052.7200
3630		4053.4462	But	4053.6841
3632		4053.8193	um, yeah carry out is the place where you can go and um-	4057.1113
3634		4057.5636	They don't have carry outs /everywhere/-	4058.6267
3636		4058.7235	/at o-/	4059.0312
3638		4059.1805	other places?	4059.8985
3640		4060.1597	/It's so funny/ (whispering).	4061.4979
3642		4063.4610	That's hilarious, a carry out.	4065.5721
3644		4066.7285	Um,	4067.2042
3646		4067.3254	it's the pl- it- it's usually you can't really go in there and sit.	4069.9459
3648		4070.2910	[<laugh>]	4072.5420
3649	DCB_int_01	4070.9893	[Mm-hm.]	4071.5582
3650	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4073.2508	You walk in and	4074.4631
3652		4074.5704	a lot of times they're-	4075.6755
3654		4076.5696	well they used to black people	4077.9965
3656		4078.8591	owned them, but now they're Asians.	4080.4678
3658		4081.3444	You go in there and	4082.7013
3660		4082.8401	um,	4083.4416
3662		4085.5306	make- put your order,	4086.7010
3664		4087.2372	and they	4087.5916
3666		4087.7594	put your order in a bag. They go to- to the back.	4089.9452
3668		4090.0757	They make the food.	4090.9151
3670		4091.6565	Usually they have chicken,	4093.0413
3672		4093.6102	wings, as they call 'em.	4095.0266
3674		4096.3229	And they- and	4097.1482
3676		4097.4000	yes, people want mumbo sauce with it.	4099.3677
3678		4100.3982	And um,	4101.3263
3680		4102.7705	you know,	4103.1995
3682		4103.6705	they	4104.0108
3684		4104.5890	I guess sometimes they have burgers and fries and-	4107.0079
3686		4107.5395	But it's usually in my head- in the back of my head, it's usually chicken wings.	4111.0553
3688		4112.0812	And then you-	4113.0546
3690		4113.6934	they put it in a-	4114.5514
3692		4115.0829	they cook it.	4115.6378
3694		4116.2953	They put it in a bag,	4117.3724
3696		4118.3458	wrap it up,	4118.9520
3698		4119.7307	put it in a bag, and you walk out.	4121.3394
3700		4121.5772	You pay 'em and you walk out.	4122.6357
3702		4122.7802	And you have-	4123.2512
3704		4123.4190	you buy a soda.	4124.5288
3705	DCB_int_01	4124.9427	[<laugh>]	4127.7777
3706	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4125.7307	[<laugh> And you walk out.]	4127.7917
3707		4127.9316	You can't sit down	4129.0693
3709		4129.9180	cause it's a carry out.	4130.8785
3711		4131.1012	You carry it out.	4131.9359
3713		4132.7239	That's why they call it a carry out.	4133.9969
3715		4135.8888	Cause you carry it [out] (laughing).	4137.1152
3716	DCB_int_01	4136.7468	[That was a] very good description.	4138.4975
3717	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4138.3369	<laugh>	4139.0643
3718	DCB_int_01	4138.8638	[And we] don't have like-	4140.4072
3719		4143.9825	What I think of carry out for me-	4145.9409
3721		4146.0621	what I originally thought it was just a Chinese	4147.8387
3723		4147.9320	restaurant.	4148.4076
3725		4148.5614	Like,	4148.8179
3727		4148.9893	that you just go pick up the food.	4150.3275
3729		4151.1249	But we don't have these	4152.0621
3731		4152.1880	all like	4152.9807
3733		4153.4703	pan	4154.2770
3735		4155.0406	nationality of food. Like you can't go get Asian	4158.6590
3737		4159.4470	American seaf- You- We don't have those types of places. Like, it's	4163.1296
3739		4163.3487	kind of your one stop	4164.2953
3741		4164.4398	Walmart shop	4165.3025
3743		4165.4424	for food? We don't have that.	4166.6127
3745		4167.0732	[So-]	4167.3810
3746	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4167.0779	[Where you're] from.	4167.7493
3747	DCB_int_01	4167.8053	Mm-hm.	4168.2016
3749		4168.2949	So-	4168.4814
3751		4168.6539	So I didn't understand that concept.	4170.7149
3753		4171.0880	So when I see I can get a steak and cheese and spare rib tips and shrimp at a c-	4176.1554
3755		4176.5471	It	4176.8082
3757		4177.0600	messed me up a little bit. [Like, what?]	4178.7340
3758	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4178.1698	[Yeah.]	4178.6920
3759		4179.0592	It's confusing. [And then you-]	4180.2110
3760	DCB_int_01	4179.8612	[/And then you-/]	4180.2156
3761	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4180.3415	You got to know where you're going though.	4181.5492
3763		4182.4492	And some of 'em are very-	4183.7035
3765		4183.9879	are- have good reputations	4185.5302
3767		4186.3648	I think. And some of 'em,	4187.6751
3769		4189.2792	you know,	4189.6662
3771		4191.5162	they don't.	4192.0058
3772	DCB_int_01	4192.5094	<laugh>	4193.1062
3773	DCB_se3_ag4_f_02	4193.1016	But I don't go. I don't-	4194.1927
3774		4194.4538	Yeah, I haven't been to a carry out in a long time.	4196.4997
3775	DCB_int_01	4197.0732	Mm.	4197.5162