Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	0.5873	Appreciate you taking the time out of your	2.3078
3		2.6753	busy day to	3.9861
5		4.2961	do this	5.0023
7		5.2836	interview.	5.8564
9		7.4916	Um,	8.0870
11		8.4011	/tow/ long have you lived in DC?	9.6144
12	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	10.5885	Um,	11.2496
14		12.0441	well I've	12.5184
16		12.8099	lived in D- I was in DC f-	15.0979
18		17.5194	all my life for the most part. And then, um,	19.1105
20		19.3189	til I	19.6764
22		20.1955	graduated.	20.7561
23	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	21.4725	Did you [gra- what?]	22.0494
24	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	21.6449	[/And then/-]	21.8482
25	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	22.3111	What part of DC?	23.0030
26	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	23.2001	Northwest.	23.7400
28		24.0172	Adams Morgan.	24.7255
29	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	25.1408	Adams Morgan?	25.8210
30	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	25.8578	Mm-hm.	26.2330
31	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	26.4349	Tell me about Adams Morgan.	27.5099
32	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	28.3073	Um,	28.6895
34		29.0858	well,	29.3998
36		30.2414	w- what it used it to be as opposed to what it is now,	32.8977
38		33.3395	uh,	33.8480
40		34.8017	it was-	35.8767
42		37.2442	it's the- the- the demographics of it have changed drastically	40.4756
44		40.8052	since	41.2786
46		41.4524	I grew up there	42.3571
48		43.2758	from like	43.6755
50		44.1839	nineteen sixty	45.6060
52		46.7947	up through	47.7366
54		47.9083	nineteen-	48.9502
56		50.0071	I left there about nineteen seventy seven.	52.7674
58		53.9047	So um,	54.9006
60		55.9911	the demographics have changed drastically. I mean it was primarily an African American neighborhood.	61.2933
62		61.5002	S- some diversity	62.7785
64		63.6762	uh,	64.0654
66		65.1103	but	65.3577
68		65.4840	now	65.9679
70		67.1846	it's totally	68.3250
72		70.8824	Caucasian.	71.5225
74		71.6838	[<laugh>]	72.6131
75	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	72.0836	[Hm.]	72.2308
76	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	72.8024	Period.	73.1460
77	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	73.2933	/Is it/ what- is it gentrification [or?]	75.2707
78	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	75.0415	[Uh yeah.]	75.4973
79		75.8164	I mean it's	76.5247
81		77.2175	the apartments that we rented are now condos.	79.6825
83		81.0625	So they're- and they're [going-]	82.7213
84	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	82.4511	[Same] size?	83.3250
85	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	83.4945	Yeah.	83.7084
87		83.9398	No- no different.	84.9076
89		85.0794	They're selling for like three hundred thousand dollars.	88.0303
90	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	88.7982	Wow.	89.5050
91	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	89.4840	And the	90.4728
92		90.5499	condo fees are like four hundred dollars a month.	93.0590
94		94.3038	So it seems as though the market where it is now has been	97.3529
96		98.1088	priced to price us out	99.5815
98		100.2968	kind of.	100.6580
100		101.0788	That's the feeling that I get anyway.	102.6612
101	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	102.9251	Got you, got you. How- how was that like, how does that make you feel like,	106.0654
103		106.5458	when you go back there you expect to see certain things that's been there forever [like when you] grew up and all that now is gone and now,	112.5949
104	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	109.8563	[Mm-hm.]	110.2455
105		112.7562	Yeah, [it's- it's-] it's a-	114.4728
106	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	113.2245	[you know.]	113.6383
107	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	114.6306	it's a culture shock	115.7737
109		116.1193	because I mean even in the city as a whole, you know, when you come in	119.7329
111		120.5219	uh, down on U Street,	122.0577
113		122.6102	you know, I mean the-	124.1846
115		124.3459	the- just the whole	125.5120
117		125.6137	profile	126.4097
119		127.0373	of how DC used to be	128.9118
121		129.1747	is	129.8199
123		129.9602	going through a drastic change. You see	132.0205
125		133.6685	v- very few	135.0415
127		136.2302	African American people walking	138.4132
129		138.5990	down U Street, you know you see mostly	141.1432
131		141.6727	a lot of white people, you know with	143.6628
133		144.4412	bicycles, walking their dog,	146.2525
135		147.2624	lot of outside cafes.	149.5401
137		149.9854	Rooftop things are big. I look at a lot of	152.6312
139		152.7785	buildings around. They have a lot of l- rooftop things where they're up and	155.8521
141		156.5920	even in the-	157.4090
143		157.6755	my apartment building where I used to be they have a rooftop area where they can sit and-	161.5243
144	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	162.1257	Oh wow. <laugh>	163.0198
145	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	163.2302	Cause you know, we didn't never have to tan so we didn't [never even sit out in the sun /you know/.]	167.5751
146	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	165.4588	[<laugh> Right, wasn't] just sitting on a [roof and] all that.	169.1530
147	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	168.3325	[Yeah.]	168.6516
149		169.1390	But it's um,	170.1068
150		171.5850	it- it's-	172.1355
152		172.5388	it's gotten to where the price point	174.9356
154		175.4441	has been	176.2015
156		177.0520	raised so much til	179.0893
158		179.3823	w- w-	179.7049
160		179.9433	they are-	180.6131
162		181.3424	we can't stay there. And if w- and once we leave,	183.4482
164		183.7042	we can't	184.0233
166		184.1846	you know, we're done.	184.8458
168		185.2070	Nobody else can come in,	186.3641
170		186.5850	so.	187.0268
171	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	187.1215	/You're/ right.	187.6755
172	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	187.8508	Uh, all of my friends that used to live down on T Street	191.1454
174		191.6733	and S and you know because we used to walk down Nineteenth Street	195.2203
176		195.3290	to get to Dupont Circle to go catch the bus	197.4559
178		197.8311	to go to school.	198.3466
180		199.3354	And	199.7456
182		199.9841	that whole street	201.5815
184		201.8375	I mean	202.4827
186		202.7281	uh,	203.2140
188		203.5225	I went and stayed at the Hilton	205.1601
190		206.6803	like in June.	207.4588
192		208.7036	Uh,	209.0632
194		209.3683	my wife and I.	210.0099
196		210.1292	I just wanted to take her to my old neighborhood [and] show what it was like and	214.3538
197	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	212.1964	[Mm.]	212.4875
198	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	215.6523	it- it was just amazing.	217.0514
200		217.4967	[<laugh> /To walk that life/.]	219.2273
201	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	218.0632	[/Alright/ you walking they looking] at you like you a stranger, [you looking at them] like /you is- they are a [strangers/. Like I was here] from the [beginning.]	223.7199
202	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	220.4090	[Exactly.]	221.1313
204		222.3080	[Exactly.]	223.0058
206		223.6054	[Mm-hm.]	224.0472
207		224.2876	Exactly. When I talked to a guy- I talked to a	226.8719
209		226.9841	brother from uh,	227.9784
211		228.6867	the Dominican	229.3108
213		230.0051	who worked at the uh, bar	231.5429
215		232.5843	and uh,	233.3506
217		234.1888	he	234.6516
219		235.5352	had s- you know, he was looking and he said uh,	237.7323
221		239.7890	he said so you know a lot about this area. And I said yeah, I'm-	242.2455
223		242.4454	I grew up here. I said I-	243.4868
225		243.5815	I remember when they were building this hotel.	245.2576
227		246.2414	And he's like,	246.8866
229		247.5773	that means that you like were here in the sixties. This was like,	250.2863
231		250.4651	built in sixty two. I said yeah.	251.9784
233		252.7603	And he's like wow. He said so you've been here-	254.9328
235		255.0310	you've been around. You've seen the change. I said yeah I've seen the change.	257.7820
236	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	258.4447	What was it- like how was it back then? Was it-	260.6102
238		260.7855	how was it back then? /?? amongst/ the people.	262.9981
240		263.9012	Like as [far as]	264.4482
241	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	263.9854	[It was-]	264.3325
242		264.6236	[it was good.]	265.2162
243	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	264.6236	[the interaction.]	265.4441
244	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	265.5072	It was good.	266.0332
246		266.2596	You know, but because we had-	267.6762
248		267.8585	it wa-	268.0969
250		268.1776	our neighborhood was unique from the standpoint that	270.6271
252		271.3459	you know where Adams Morgan is, that was mostly just Hispanic.	274.5388
253	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	275.4068	Mm.	275.6768
254	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	276.0836	You know?	276.4097
256		276.5640	There wasn't-	277.2828
258		278.0036	and there- and there were	279.1537
260		279.2764	houses along	280.2863
262		280.8438	Eighteenth Street,	281.6172
264		282.3010	but up	282.8340
266		282.9602	in,	283.4756
268		283.9245	uh,	284.4962
270		285.5079	past that	286.1951
272		286.5212	north of-	287.3021
274		287.3998	of Adams Morgan,	288.5464
276		289.1110	there were a lot of,	289.7702
278		289.9245	uh,	290.3250
280		290.5155	our- our neighborhood was unique in that we had a lot of embassies	292.9420
282		293.7505	around.	294.1572
284		294.3676	So we had	295.0899
286		295.3354	kids from different countries	296.7434
288		297.1958	who were going to our elementary school.	298.7581
290		299.6207	You know.	299.9188
292		300.0275	So it was-	300.8795
294		301.2547	it was a melting pot in /es-/ in essence.	303.1782
296		303.3816	You know you had a whole bunch of different,	304.9825
298		306.0766	you know, people from different places and	308.2525
300		308.3262	one of my best friends matter of fact was from Burma.	310.2162
302		311.0737	You know,	311.4173
304		311.5366	so we	312.2098
306		312.6341	go up to	313.6054
308		314.0963	embassy	314.7575
310		315.2484	row area and [you know], his mom would invite me over for lunch you know.	318.7253
311	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	316.1951	[Hm.]	316.5071
312	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	319.1636	Then we had another person that was- And I learned a lot, you know-	321.5955
314		322.1320	we had another person that was from Mauritius. I had never heard of Mauritius. I didn't know where Mauritius was.	326.4103
316		327.1572	So y- it was an education from that and like I said it was	330.1782
318		330.2975	we had people who were	331.5247
320		331.7071	from Italy.	332.5015
322		332.8136	Their father was ambassador to Italy or whatever, and uh-	335.7890
323	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	336.0731	Oh wow.	336.5675
324	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	336.7147	So it was a	337.1706
326		337.3073	different-	338.1789
328		338.4945	it wasn't like i-	339.2484
330		339.6341	inner city quo-	340.3459
332		340.4336	uh, quote unquote where you just had black people.	341.9468
334		342.6201	[Or you] had	343.6755
335	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	342.6201	[Right.]	343.0549
336	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	343.9665	half white people half black people.	345.5359
338		345.7042	You know, it was	346.6615
340		346.7912	a different mix of people.	348.2193
341	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	349.1811	Oh wow.	349.9455
342	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	349.9315	Yeah.	350.1804
343	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	350.8697	Alright I never knew- I never knew that. I mean I never knew that Adams Morgan was a	353.7399
345		354.0240	lot of Spanish originally, it was all Spanish.	356.0507
346	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	356.1559	Mm-hm.	356.3963
347	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	357.1221	[I] didn't know that.	358.0479
348	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	357.2203	[Yup.]	357.3571
349		358.2267	Yup.	358.5388
351		358.7982	But the-	359.3683
353		360.1292	so you've got the-	360.7989
355		360.9321	you've got two arguments. On the one side, you're saying okay well	363.7743
357		363.9567	the area has been developed	366.0380
359		366.6621	and it's a lot	367.5984
361		368.4559	better	369.2589
363		369.4027	from the standpoint of	371.0121
365		371.2175	property values,	372.3606
367		372.7358	the way people have	373.6825
369		375.1292	fixed up the row houses and things in the area because they had the f-	378.4132
371		378.9216	the ability financially to do that.	380.5120
373		380.6628	Whereas	381.1467
375		382.0759	when we were there	383.5085
377		383.6628	we were a lot of times we were renting	385.2267
379		385.3564	the places we were in,	386.5015
381		387.2168	and the people we were renting from didn't invest the money	390.4447
383		391.0899	to fix the places up.	392.0823
385		392.8276	Or the ones-	393.6516
386	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	393.8305	Keep everything [updated.]	394.8929
387	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	394.7491	[Yeah.]	394.9701
388		395.4910	So	395.9538
390		396.0380	you know, it was- it was different for me.	397.3296
392		397.7562	The liquor store though on Eighteenth and California is still there.	400.5633
394		401.2140	[<laugh> That's] the only thing.	403.9315
395	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	401.4524	[That's the only thing that's still there?]	403.1285
396		404.0191	Same owner?	404.9153
397	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	405.2308	N- I don't know if it's same owner.	406.3740
399		406.5388	But it was st- it's still there.	407.4559
401		407.5786	<laugh>	408.0064
402	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	407.9889	<laugh>	408.3501
403	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	408.3886	[<laugh> Mm-hm.]	410.5471
404	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	408.4553	[Wow. They gonna keep a liquor store. Alright], ain't gonna let that go. [<laugh>]	412.2337
405	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	411.3431	[Mm-mm.]	411.8024
406		412.3003	So you figure fifty-	413.6032
408		413.8977	And I know it had probably been there	415.2968
410		415.7772	prior to us being there so it's been there for fifty years.	418.4616
411	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	419.4244	Wow.	420.0520
412	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	420.6937	<laugh>	421.0829
413	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	421.9124	Let me ask you something about	422.9608
415		423.1712	like back then. Give me some words back then y'all used to say when y'all were younger.	426.5219
417		426.8340	Some cool, some slang words.	428.5892
419		428.6593	/All of that-/	429.3676
420	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	434.2525	A lot of it is just like	435.6692
422		436.6369	like	436.8438
424		437.2245	groovy	438.1467
425	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	438.8655	Ah, [okay.]	439.7597
426	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	439.4090	[um,]	440.2891
427		443.9153	rapping.	444.3992
429		445.0584	You know,	445.3038
431		445.5808	when you would go say you were gonna go rap to somebody about something like that	448.1706
433		448.7982	when you, uh,	449.9819
435		450.9637	when you wanted to talk to a girl,	452.1684
437		452.5366	you know.	452.8697
439		453.3746	Um,	453.7989
441		454.6825	<ts>	454.8473
443		455.2070	uh,	456.2589
445		456.8585	when you	457.9672
447		464.1298	a lot of culture like,	465.3992
449		466.4897	with	466.9806
451		467.4349	pimping.	467.8451
453		468.4097	You know, it's like when	469.2863
455		469.4862	guys had that walk, you know, and [it was like- it's like okay well you pimping.]	472.5212
456	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	470.8346	[<laugh>]	472.2512
457	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	472.6545	You [know.]	472.9911
458	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	472.8578	[<laugh>]	473.2611
459	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	473.5857	<ts>	473.7154
461		473.8346	Um-	474.2554
462	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	474.2449	And pimping can be used as a phrase of	476.3250
463		476.4384	oh you looking [good or] you- okay [okay.]	479.0963
464	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	477.4202	[Yeah.]	477.7814
466		478.6860	[Mm-hm.]	479.1138
467		479.7084	Um,	480.0976
469		482.1123	lot of stuff.	482.7575
471		482.9047	Uh,	483.7726
473		485.6242	when you wanted to go date a girl you say I wanna get next to her.	487.9736
474	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	488.5225	R- <laugh> [Right. (laughing)]	490.3214
475	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	489.1502	[You know.]	489.4763
477		489.8307	[Yeah.]	490.0957
478	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	490.8563	Yeah I wanna get next to [her. We probably] [still saying that] now. [<laugh>]	494.0752
479	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	491.7715	[Yeah.]	492.3325
481		492.5359	[Mm-hm.]	493.1040
483		493.4791	[Mm-hm.]	493.9280
484		494.4103	Mm-hm.	494.8283
486		495.4307	Or she phat.	496.0934
487	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	496.2617	[Right. She- <laugh>]	498.1642
488	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	496.3599	[You know /??/ she fat. I always liked /that one/.]	498.2168
489		498.9006	So	499.3319
491		499.6895	stuff like that.	500.3648
493		501.4027	You know.	501.8059
495		503.1839	<ts>	503.3250
497		503.5120	Um,	503.9608
499		505.4230	yeah.	505.6580
501		507.0520	Stuff like that.	507.8024
503		509.5962	But it was, uh,	510.5885
505		511.7456	I was looking at some of the,	513.3851
507		515.3963	you know, like our yearbooks and stuff from back in the era	517.7807
509		518.1964	and, uh,	518.9714
511		520.5247	a lot of the,	521.5085
513		522.4132	uh,	522.7954
515		524.2245	things that were out then like movies	525.9146
517		526.3634	that were out then like	527.5716
519		527.9387	Shaft and Superfly and	530.0796
521		531.2291	and the musical groups that were out	533.5315
523		533.8895	that were music	534.9565
524	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	535.1179	Mm-hm.	535.7848
525	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	537.1660	and	537.8960
527		538.8647	it was mostly a lot of times there was like this transition from your parents	542.8447
529		543.4257	who were like early sixties with the Temptations and all of that other stuff and then as	548.3885
531		549.1185	we got	549.6714
533		550.3874	older,	550.9630
535		551.5175	it started changing into Earth Wind and Fire but there was still some reach back because the Temptations still had songs that	558.2207
537		558.3668	they were putting out during our time.	560.0515
538	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	560.8922	So it's still some influence [there.]	562.5207
539	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	562.1768	[Yeah.]	562.5348
540		562.9279	Mm-hm.	563.2859
542		563.4262	So it flowed and then the O'Jays and then we kind of	566.2410
544		566.6973	went past them and went to like Earth Wind and Fire,	569.0164
546		569.4964	New Birth,	570.2686
548		571.3847	uh, Parliament,	572.4289
550		573.0115	you know, all of these	573.7416
552		574.2049	bands.	574.8085
554		575.3069	You know.	575.6860
556		575.9808	And so it started changing from that point	578.1568
558		578.7254	where they kind of- their music kind of got	581.3752
560		581.8334	left,	582.3247
562		582.7810	you know, and our music started	584.3868
564		584.5342	finding its niche,	585.5871
566		586.3874	you know,	586.6962
568		587.0612	so.	587.5105
570		588.1422	And then we s-	589.2162
572		589.6374	our music went until disco came. We were with [disco for awhile.]	593.4052
573	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	592.5137	[<laugh>]	593.4262
574	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	593.8404	And then after the rap scene started, that's [when we kind of-]	596.7017
575	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	595.8409	[Hold on. Disco], what era was that? What- what [time period was that?]	598.6521
576	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	597.9662	[Disco] was like late seventies.	600.7108
577		601.9322	It was like-	602.5202
579		602.8501	/well/ I guess you could say- yeah, it was mid to late seventies.	605.6158
581		608.0094	Cause, uh,	608.7605
583		610.1768	that was right around the time that Donna Summer got real	612.7950
585		613.0267	big and, um,	614.9624
587		615.6222	Studio Fifty Four was a big deal in New York.	618.0018
589		618.4862	So you looking at	619.6584
591		620.7114	like seventy seven to like	623.5315
593		623.7351	early eighties like eighty two, eighty three	625.8480
594	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	626.5710	Mm.	627.0834
595	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	627.1660	for a disco era.	628.2680
597		628.7383	And then	629.3982
599		630.8161	the rap started	631.6935
601		632.7394	and	633.5380
603		634.5699	it lost- o-	635.4754
605		635.7983	our generation stayed for a little bit with the Sugarhill Gang.	639.1325
607		639.8118	But then when it started going to Tupac and Biggie	643.6865
609		644.7464	we got off the train.	645.7837
611		646.6471	[/You know/,]	647.0823
612	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	646.6541	[Right.]	647.1104
613	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	647.4052	[so.]	647.7562
614	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	647.6017	[Got you.] Because is- is it-	649.1109
615		649.5461	the reason you got off train is it because of	651.5450
617		651.8188	what they were talking [about, the messages?]	653.5315
618	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	652.7243	[Mm-hm.]	653.1174
619		653.6368	Mm-hm.	653.9948
621		655.4689	Cause it wasn't- you know, it's- it- up to our generation it was about music and	659.7000
623		660.2194	meaningful m- you know	661.7497
625		662.7535	messages in the music	664.0669
627		664.4856	and there's just turned, you know- it was a different generation so it was darker	668.5288
629		669.3344	and the language was	670.7664
631		670.9559	darker,	671.5175
632	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	672.3458	Mm-hm.	673.0787
633	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	673.1179	you know,	673.5602
635		673.9392	so, um,	675.1870
637		676.5839	it just you know, it evolved,	678.0440
639		678.2686	you know.	678.5985
640	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	679.7216	What are some of the um, musical spots cause you seem got a little excited /we's got/ to talk about music. You like, oh okay, [Earth Wind and] [Fire, you know.]	685.8845
641	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	684.7670	[Yeah.]	685.2232
643		685.5812	[Because I-] that's what we grew up with. We- we- because	688.9910
644		689.8965	that was our,	690.9565
646		691.7076	you know, we didn't have videos and stuff, but we had-	694.1237
648		694.8958	we had AM radio.	696.0400
650		696.7543	There were two main	697.8634
652		698.2144	ch- uh, stations that we listened to. There was WOL	701.5065
654		701.9628	and WOOK.	703.0297
656		703.9687	And we listened to those-	705.4287
658		706.1096	AM stations stayed until about probably	709.3299
660		710.5373	the late sixties	711.8078
662		711.9763	and then [FM started.]	713.3029
663	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	712.6431	[Hm.]	712.9730
664	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	714.5173	And then once the FM channel started,	716.5092
666		717.3866	the content got better.	718.7554
668		719.4784	And that's when, you know, Earth Wind and Fire and all this stuff started coming out,	722.3688
670		722.9514	so.	723.4428
672		724.2781	And we would go to concerts.	725.3100
674		726.0049	You know, we would go down to the Lincoln Theatre	727.7230
676		728.3407	down on, uh,	729.3866
678		730.0324	U Street.	730.6010
680		730.8607	Um,	731.3731
682		733.5124	a number of- prior to	735.5762
684		736.3062	the riots,	737.0222
686		737.9487	prior- prior to sixty eight	739.2374
688		740.0810	we had	740.6285
690		740.9444	um, the Tivoli Theatre that we used to go to	743.3172
691	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	743.3731	Where was [that?]	743.9417
692	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	743.6750	[up on] Fourteenth Street.	744.6570
693		744.8175	It's like Fourteenth and, um,	746.5924
695		748.8467	mm, Fourteenth and Columbia Road.	750.6366
697		752.0880	I think it's Columbia Road going that way.	753.6885
699		755.2538	But that was-	755.8434
701		756.1102	that was up there. We used to go up- up there.	758.1021
703		758.4530	And like I said we went to the Lincoln.	759.7797
705		760.7695	Uh,	761.2468
707		761.7592	the Howard Theatre was closed	764.2354
709		764.6566	through most of our-	765.7587
711		766.2149	like for our parents, the Howard Theatre was the place to go	768.7841
713		769.4142	that- back in the fifties and the forties.	771.1760
715		771.6464	But then once that closed,	772.9590
717		774.3980	you know,	774.7700
719		775.4282	that was- they didn't have anybody to	777.0637
721		777.6323	give it any money to put- it was just	779.3661
723		779.8224	I don't know. I think it's only like been about s- ten years since they've gone back and redone it.	783.7306
724	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	784.1869	[Mm-hm.]	784.9801
725	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	784.6080	[And it looks] pretty good.	785.5346
726		786.4190	You know.	786.7349
728		787.8634	But um,	788.5794
730		790.5940	I do a lot of genealogy	792.5788
732		793.6388	you know, so I r-	794.6355
734		795.1480	and my family is	796.5659
736		796.9099	based in this area.	798.2479
737	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	799.2948	[Oh okay.]	800.0319
738	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	799.3299	[So]	800.2846
739		801.0918	a lot of history that has gone on that I got from like my parents and stuff	805.8423
741		806.3337	you know, on how things used to b-	808.0605
743		808.2219	be, where they would go.	809.5767
745		810.3542	They were talking about the,	811.7371
747		812.8391	uh,	813.3445
749		814.0324	I can't think what the name of the club is but there was some kind of	816.3559
751		816.5929	cavern on Fourt- on U Street	818.9865
753		819.9201	that was like really big back in the forties	822.1024
755		822.5735	and jazz groups used to come down there and play. Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington and all them.	826.9851
756	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	827.1204	Mm.	827.7803
757	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	827.7943	You know.	828.1804
759		828.6420	Which were peers of	829.7792
761		830.3618	my parents	831.1269
763		831.3515	and	831.9763
765		832.9309	grandparents because they went to school with them.	834.7068
767		835.5546	So, you know, when they would talk about Duke Ellington, you know my grandma was like oh yeah well he- he went to school with me.	840.0488
768	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	841.2948	Wow. [<laugh>]	842.8321
769	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	842.3407	[So.]	842.8672
770		843.5902	Or um,	845.0853
772		848.4460	a lot of the, um,	849.8289
774		850.0043	military people like uh, Benjamin O. Davis,	853.0491
776		853.9196	he went to school with my grandmother.	855.4201
778		856.2430	You know, he ended up being the first	857.5556
780		858.4331	one star black general in the Army.	860.3127
782		861.5621	<ts>	861.6800
784		861.7875	So.	862.2921
786		863.7101	A number of people that i- you know you didn't-	865.4773
788		866.0249	uh, Marvin Gaye,	867.0006
790		867.6885	you know,	868.0250
792		868.4536	he went to school with my mom.	869.5556
793	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	870.0610	Wow.	870.5454
794	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	870.6631	You know.	871.0070
796		871.2317	So, a lot of these p-	872.6005
798		872.8251	a lot of history that DC had	874.4606
800		875.6048	you know, I got to learn about	877.4352
802		878.2565	you know.	878.6145
804		879.6885	But, um,	880.4606
806		881.4714	it's a rich-	882.5367
808		883.3650	that part of it is	884.8461
810		885.6885	full of history.	886.8116
812		887.0362	It's rich with history for us.	888.5665
814		889.4142	The thing is now though,	890.6847
816		891.3726	with this	892.0324
818		892.6923	changing,	893.3591
820		894.3348	you know, of cultures,	895.7033
822		896.6847	the question is what happens	898.4255
824		899.4012	to our culture? Does it like just stop?	901.4914
826		902.2144	You know.	902.5934
827	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	902.6706	Right right.	903.8218
828	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	905.0573	Ben's Chili Bowl.	905.8154
830		906.1804	Ben's Chili Bowl had been there for years.	907.8283
832		908.2214	You know, that was a hang out	909.3693
834		909.8429	for a lot of	910.5448
836		910.7975	s-	910.9099
838		911.4363	stars who would go to concerts and stuff down there that you would see.	914.4881
840		915.2813	Um,	915.7867
842		917.5135	so what happens? You know, like I said, what happens to that	919.6388
844		920.2144	long term?	920.8181
846		921.7797	The-	922.3343
848		923.2608	the thing that's troubling	924.5173
850		925.5405	about	926.2144
852		926.5373	the youth,	927.1480
854		927.6604	the way they are now,	928.6221
856		929.2257	is they are not aware	931.1755
858		932.3618	of-	933.0076
860		933.9342	they're not aware of their culture number one.	936.3488
862		936.8666	And it's like, when you see them walking around with their	939.7516
864		940.2992	pants hanging down their butt	941.7101
866		942.3910	that they can't- you know, they can't even run	944.1793
868		945.1129	cause you know the pants gonna fall down you know, and it's like	947.7101
870		948.8947	they don't know- you know, when I talk to young people I say well do you know	951.6464
872		952.0745	where this	952.6923
874		952.8958	came from, this	953.9909
876		954.4806	pants falling down and they're like	956.0810
878		956.6636	no.	957.0708
880		957.7025	I said it came from prison	959.0924
882		959.5627	because they wouldn't give the prisoners belts cause they didn't want 'em to hang themselves.	963.4498
884		964.1167	So they couldn't-	964.9450
886		965.3240	they had to go there and keep their pants.	967.3130
888		967.5967	Their pants were hanging down because of that.	969.0918
890		969.8640	I said so that's gonna be your role model is a prisoner.	972.1708
891	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	973.3159	Hm.	973.5967
892	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	973.8494	You know,	974.1933
894		974.6285	but they don't-	975.2603
896		976.7274	don't get it,	977.0924
898		977.5627	you know.	977.9277
900		978.2716	And it's like I said just	979.3229
902		979.7300	different group of people.	980.5877
904		981.6393	So we relate	983.3240
906		984.4612	lang- it's	985.1895
908		985.4352	the language is different	986.8040
910		987.6393	from the standpoint of	989.3731
912		990.4612	what we	991.4001
914		991.7722	consider	992.6917
916		993.7727	important.	994.3623
918		995.3170	Manners,	996.0470
920		996.8807	saying thank you for things,	998.2776
922		998.7759	things that we were raised on.	1000.1377
924		1000.9239	You look at-	1001.8575
926		1002.0400	and- and it- and there are a number of causes. There's not any one thing that you can point to.	1006.0043
928		1006.3764	Lot of it is is- is, uh,	1008.2068
930		1009.1544	single moms,	1010.2565
932		1010.5724	young moms raising kids.	1012.2149
934		1012.8537	They didn't have the proper	1014.3278
936		1015.0983	training to be able to train the next generation	1017.7165
938		1018.1096	because they were too young,	1019.1696
940		1019.3872	you know.	1019.7241
942		1020.4190	And they don't have grandma	1021.8002
944		1022.8602	to back up because grandma going to the club too.	1024.7063
946		1025.8926	So you go you know to mom's looking for grandma to take it and she's like, nah, I'm gone.	1029.2603
948		1029.9131	You know, so you figure it out the best way you can.	1031.8645
949	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1032.1366	Mm-hm.	1032.8737
950	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1033.2176	But the language	1034.4039
952		1034.6777	that	1035.2743
954		1036.5519	is unique to us-	1037.9207
956		1039.0141	and one of the, uh, one of the kids was saying that you know we have to be bilingual	1043.2819
958		1044.6139	because when we are,	1045.9406
960		1046.2776	um,	1046.8953
962		1048.0184	one of- as a matter of fact one of my friends, his- his, uh, his wife, her-	1051.8143
964		1052.0880	her uh,	1052.5443
966		1053.2533	father	1053.8920
968		1054.4045	had a Ph.D.	1055.4082
970		1056.3138	in African American Studies	1058.1372
972		1058.5513	and uh, he wrote a book about	1060.8888
974		1061.1696	Ebonics.	1061.8154
976		1064.9865	That	1065.3445
978		1066.2237	n-	1066.3888
980		1066.6010	the way we connect with one another	1068.7139
982		1070.0178	is different than what we do with society in general.	1073.1766
984		1074.1734	So if-	1074.8051
986		1075.7581	if you hanging around with your boys and, you know, and I listen to 'em you know even with my kids	1080.7770
988		1082.7759	and I hear my daughter go, something. (atypical pronunciation)	1084.3764
990		1085.3170	And I go what?	1085.9558
992		1086.3121	And she goes, something. (atypical pronunciation)	1087.1123
994		1089.1971	I said you mean something?	1090.2009
996		1091.1064	She said, well yeah dad you know what I mean.	1092.4471
998		1093.7090	But it's-	1094.3407
1000		1095.2884	it's kind of, uh,	1096.6150
1002		1099.1334	you know,	1099.7090
1003	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1100.1652	I got you.	1100.9374
1004	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1101.0918	meeting. (atypical pronunciation)	1101.6674
1006		1102.2851	I'm meeting- (atypical pronunciation)	1102.9309
1008		1103.3029	I'm meeting (atypical pronunciation) somebody.	1104.4050
1010		1105.3861	Meeting? (atypical pronunciation)	1105.8985
1012		1106.7619	You mean meeting?	1107.4428
1014		1108.1518	Well yeah, meeting.	1109.0783
1016		1109.4925	But when you ask 'em, okay, well spell out meeting. (atypical pronunciation)	1111.8514
1018		1112.2565	Meeting. (atypical pronunciation)	1112.6706
1020		1113.2884	okay it's M-E-E-T-I-N-G.	1114.9379
1022		1115.2749	Okay, but that doesn't say meeting (atypical pronunciation) that says meeting.	1117.2607
1024		1119.3586	But that	1119.8920
1026		1120.4606	is-	1121.1204
1028		1121.6188	that's our	1122.5859
1030		1122.8947	language	1123.6318
1032		1123.8564	[that-]	1124.1512
1033	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1123.8915	[Mm.]	1124.1582
1034	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1124.6285	Your /mova/. (atypical pronunciation)	1125.0427
1036		1125.9763	Huh?	1126.2641
1038		1127.1134	There's no V in mother.	1128.1734
1040		1128.4946	[<laugh> Okay (laughing).]	1130.0670
1041	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1128.6069	[<laugh>]	1129.9266
1042	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1130.3407	Your /fava/. (atypical pronunciation)	1130.9444
1044		1131.5902	Okay.	1132.0184
1046		1132.2851	There's no V in father.	1133.3731
1048		1133.5767	<laugh>	1134.2155
1049	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1134.4682	Right.	1135.0297
1050	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1135.0491	You know?	1135.4844
1051	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1135.7441	Got you.	1136.3056
1052	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1136.6706	So,	1137.2462
1054		1138.6993	or, you know, it's a l- lot of what it is now you know- what know what I'm saying?	1142.3688
1056		1143.0637	That's a big thing that young people say. You know what I'm saying? No.	1145.6539
1058		1145.8645	I don't know what you're saying.	1146.8051
1059	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1146.8175	[<laugh>]	1147.5195
1060	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1147.3440	[<laugh>]	1147.8073
1061		1148.3056	You know, listening to my daughter that	1150.1167
1063		1150.3904	that phrase comes up	1151.6960
1065		1152.2365	like	1152.5103
1067		1152.7614	six, seven times in a course of a conversation with her.	1155.2813
1069		1155.9763	And there's a lot of	1157.4784
1071		1157.9768	stuff	1158.6226
1073		1158.9649	in, you know what I'm saying,	1160.0178
1075		1160.8321	that you never	1161.9201
1077		1162.7274	get to	1163.1977
1079		1164.6156	[cause it-]	1165.1966
1080	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1164.6210	[/?/]	1164.9017
1081	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1165.8283	you keep it moving.	1166.6145
1083		1166.8321	You know?	1167.1690
1084	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1167.4638	[Right.]	1168.0254
1085	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1167.4849	[You don't stop.] You've taken this conversation	1169.7452
1086		1170.1523	and you've put it down to this	1171.8915
1088		1172.7759	with six or seven terms of, you know what I'm saying?	1175.4012
1090		1176.3138	<laugh>	1176.6701
1091	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1176.6210	Right.	1177.0421
1092		1177.6388	I [understand.]	1178.4530
1093	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1177.9617	[Mm-hm.] So where's the meaning at the end of	1180.3904
1094		1181.4574	the discourse? You know the the meaning at the end of what you're	1184.5934
1096		1185.1199	relating to one another.	1186.2851
1098		1186.6431	You know,	1186.8748
1099	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1187.0994	[Mm.]	1187.4012
1100	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1187.1485	[a lot] of it's lost because it's,	1189.0632
1101		1189.3580	you know what I'm saying?	1189.9687
1102	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1191.0006	Right.	1191.5422
1104		1191.9412	Know what I'm saying?	1192.6080
1105	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1192.5378	Mm-hm.	1192.9169
1106	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1192.8116	[<laugh>]	1193.4293
1107	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1193.0924	[Yeah] exactly. You [know it's like]	1194.5454
1108	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1194.0664	[S- <laugh>]	1195.1474
1109	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1194.8737	[why?]	1195.1966
1110	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1195.4493	[<laugh>]	1196.2916
1111	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1196.1652	[So], uh,	1196.9023
1112		1197.8780	yeah it's, uh,	1198.7624
1114		1199.5346	and that's one of the things that, uh,	1201.3175
1116		1201.5896	I w-	1201.8353
1118		1202.0529	I'm really	1203.0357
1120		1203.3235	pushing to take them,	1204.8326
1122		1205.1064	my kids,	1205.8224
1124		1206.4385	to the, uh, African American Museum	1208.6426
1126		1209.7003	because there's so much there	1211.7815
1128		1213.1639	that's a part of us	1214.2589
1130		1214.7962	that they have no clue about	1216.5305
1132		1216.9482	because they're not getting it	1218.2619
1134		1218.8070	in school,	1219.5927
1136		1219.8476	or the little bit that they do get they learn enough just to pass the test and get out.	1223.7522
1137	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1224.3114	Mm-hm.	1225.1963
1138	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1225.5927	You know?	1226.0033
1140		1226.7962	And it is	1228.1482
1142		1229.2101	that- that is been like the-	1230.2619
1144		1230.4955	the greatest thing	1231.7768
1146		1231.9467	that I am so proud that they did	1234.1624
1148		1234.3818	because	1235.0543
1150		1235.8513	we didn't have that.	1236.7928
1152		1237.1822	We didn't have a place where you could take your entire	1239.3129
1154		1240.1412	culture	1240.7004
1156		1241.3346	and go see it from the beginning of when we got here	1244.2794
1158		1245.2421	to	1245.7801
1160		1246.2261	present day.	1246.9269
1162		1247.4195	You know, and from what they were telling me they've gone beyond /B-/	1250.3219
1164		1250.7608	Obama	1251.3129
1166		1252.0137	and they have	1253.0018
1168		1253.4266	the- the	1254.1274
1170		1254.4106	Trayvon Martins,	1255.5715
1172		1255.8405	they have all the	1256.8882
1174		1257.5253	killings that they've had. They have all of that stuff in there	1259.9646
1176		1260.5097	to get a full spectrum of what life for African Americans has been in this country.	1265.0827
1178		1266.3893	[So it's-]	1267.1468
1179	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1266.5734	[Hm.]	1266.9061
1180		1268.3006	Yeah instead of the illusion. <laugh>	1269.9996
1181	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1270.0562	Yes.	1270.4739
1183		1270.7075	[You know.]	1271.1888
1184	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1270.7287	[<laugh>]	1272.1195
1185	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1271.6531	[You know.]	1272.0354
1186		1272.2123	And	1272.6088
1188		1273.2671	how prisons have been set up and why they were set up [and]	1276.8207
1189	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1276.2473	[Hm.]	1276.7145
1190	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1277.8088	it- it's just	1278.7220
1192		1279.0406	you know you come out of there	1280.4918
1194		1282.0987	changed.	1282.7853
1196		1283.2313	<laugh> So to [speak.]	1284.5451
1197	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1284.2265	[I] can only [imagine. <exhale>]	1286.6404
1198	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1285.6352	[Yeah,]	1285.8901
1200		1286.1520	[have you been yet?]	1286.7537
1201	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1287.0581	Yes I've been.	1287.6739
1202	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1287.7518	[Mm-hm.]	1288.2332
1203	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1288.0067	[I've] been.	1288.4314
1204	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1289.2496	Have you seen the whole thing?	1290.1699
1205	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1290.3114	Yeah we- a- nah, we didn't go through the whole thing. [It was a lot.]	1292.8103
1206	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1292.3502	[Mm-hm.]	1292.8032
1207		1292.9731	[It is.]	1293.3696
1208	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1293.1359	[Cause her] mom was tired.	1294.2757
1209	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1294.3252	Mm-hm.	1294.6792
1210	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1295.2638	But	1295.5611
1212		1295.7593	it was-	1296.3185
1214		1296.4884	it was definitely interesting.	1297.7556
1215	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1297.8476	Yeah.	1298.2086
1217		1299.1147	I haven't-	1299.5890
1219		1300.2757	I haven't been yet.	1301.0189
1221		1301.3841	I'm supposed [to go next week.]	1302.6409
1222	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1301.8726	[O- one] of the interesting things for me like when I went in there	1304.8386
1223		1305.2351	was, um,	1305.9925
1225		1306.6721	you know, you go around and you start noticing other things outside of the	1309.8830
1226	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1310.0670	Right.	1310.3785
1227	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1310.4139	museum. [You know, you start] looking, you know,	1312.4951
1228	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1311.0510	[Mm-hm.]	1311.5531
1229	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1312.6438	and you start noticing, you start seeing what products	1315.1184
1231		1315.6635	are being sold.	1316.6971
1232	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1316.7041	[Mm-hm. Mm-hm.]	1317.7943
1233	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1316.8457	[You know I looked at- I looked] at everything. [I wanna know] who's- okay.	1319.8442
1234	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1318.4314	[Mm-hm.]	1318.8581
1235	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1320.1132	I know this is you know, it's nice and [everything. Alright where the] money going?	1322.8416
1236	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1321.7272	[Mm-hm.]	1322.3360
1237		1322.8953	Mm-hm.	1323.2917
1238	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1323.6810	So I try to pay attention to [everything.] You know I was [looking at] all- who's-	1327.1255
1239	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1325.1180	[Oh yeah.]	1325.4862
1241		1325.9292	[Oh yeah.]	1326.2336
1242	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1327.6352	what products can be sold. Went to the bookstore and then aks for certain books. He was like oh they won't allow that book.	1332.3681
1243	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1332.4389	Mm-hm.	1332.8990
1244	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1332.9769	You know, [ain't gonna allow] that but they- they'll- this is the only one they- they let this one get through.	1336.3818
1245	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1333.3945	[Mm-hm.]	1333.8688
1247		1336.3535	Mm-hm.	1336.8137
1248	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1336.8986	You know, [I'm like] okay.	1338.2831
1249	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1337.2708	[Mm-hm.]	1337.6460
1250	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1338.4176	So I know the-	1339.2459
1251	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1339.4653	[Oh yeah.]	1339.9821
1252	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1339.4936	[you know, it's-] it's- [it's-]	1341.0298
1253	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1340.7608	[If you go] to Williamsburg, that was one of the things I noticed when I went down to Williamsburg	1344.2123
1254		1345.1114	and they had one of their stores	1346.7395
1256		1347.4970	and they were talking about the plantations.	1349.2667
1258		1350.1062	And	1350.7433
1260		1351.8617	you read this stuff and it's like	1353.9500
1262		1354.1978	the servants	1355.2596
1264		1356.0849	who worked in the fields.	1357.5361
1266		1359.1359	I'm reading this thing. I g- I bought it. I was like the servants who worked in the field? You mean the slaves who worked in the field.	1364.8528
1267	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1364.9802	Right.	1365.5394
1268	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1365.5182	You know what- where did servants come from?	1367.6419
1269		1368.2761	And they were talking about how sometimes the servants would be corrupt	1372.3535
1271		1372.8844	so that the	1373.8726
1273		1374.0991	owner- they never said master.	1375.7626
1275		1376.2157	They said so that the owner of the-	1378.1978
1277		1378.4668	the plantation	1379.5074
1279		1380.0637	would select	1381.0477
1281		1381.2388	one of the servants to keep an eye out	1384.2615
1283		1384.6296	to make sure that everyone was doing what they were supposed to do.	1388.0246
1285		1388.7537	I'm like okay, this is an overseer.	1390.4172
1287		1391.5215	[And they put] that in there. It's like there was a overseer and their job was to oversee that everybody was doing their job.	1396.5800
1288	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1391.5328	[Mm-hm.]	1392.0000
1289	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1396.7783	It's like no they're o-	1397.4366
1291		1397.7522	their job was to snitch	1399.0335
1292	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1399.3945	[Mm-hm.]	1400.2566
1293	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1399.6989	[on- on any] of the slaves that were trying to,	1401.7023
1294		1401.8722	you know,	1402.2827
1295	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1402.4951	[Right.] Right.	1403.5711
1296	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1402.5942	[get away.]	1403.1534
1297		1403.5965	You know.	1403.9363
1299		1404.4672	So.	1404.8707
1301		1405.8759	It's a-	1406.5272
1303		1408.1695	it's a- it's a wild kind of situation.	1410.2548
1305		1410.6725	It's a	1411.2742
1307		1411.8334	but it's	1412.4210
1309		1413.5182	if you can't teach it in school at least there's a place where they can go and get the information.	1418.5792
1311		1419.3129	You know	1419.6456
1313		1419.8155	because a lot of our history has been white washed.	1422.4884
1314	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1422.9202	Right.	1423.1963
1316		1423.5927	Cause our history interwines with- our history is American [history, so.]	1427.0756
1317	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1426.3606	[Exactly.]	1427.0968
1318	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1427.6673	Alright so, you know, when you start looking at our history it start to get ugly.	1430.6900
1319	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1430.8103	Mm-hm.	1431.2704
1320	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1431.6315	Everybody else got to take they clothes off too [right?]	1433.5823
1321	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1433.4195	[Mm-hm.]	1433.9717
1322		1434.2548	[Mm-hm.]	1434.6866
1323	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1434.5309	[And like] the ladies say sometimes that's not always comfortable.	1437.3058
1324	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1437.2775	Exactly.	1437.7943
1325		1438.0916	[It's not.]	1438.5093
1326	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1438.1058	[<laugh>]	1438.8844
1327	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1438.7145	I mean look at Jefferson's family when when uh Sally [Hemings',]	1442.0458
1328	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1441.4441	[Mm.]	1442.0175
1329	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1442.6900	uh,	1443.2138
1331		1443.3908	descendants	1444.1341
1333		1444.2615	were like, hey we need to be here too.	1445.9363
1334	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1446.9556	[Mm-hm.]	1447.6281
1335	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1447.0547	[And] his white descendants were like what do you mean? It's like uh he had some black kids. <laugh>	1452.7509
1336		1453.0811	You know?	1453.4653
1337	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1454.0175	[Mm-mm-hm.]	1454.6687
1338	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1454.5201	[So] that was the kind of what- you know, those are pills that are	1457.4083
1339		1458.0000	hard to swallow sometime [you know but.]	1460.0500
1340	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1459.3450	[Alright, the truth.]	1460.4532
1341	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1460.3289	Mm-hm.	1460.8245
1342		1461.1218	The truth is [hard to swallow sometime.]	1463.0723
1343	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1461.8014	[Mm-hm. /And/]	1462.9552
1344		1463.2567	I always say	1463.9504
1346		1464.1769	one of my favorite little sayings is United States of Amnesia.	1466.8740
1347	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1466.9236	Mm-hm.	1467.3625
1348	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1467.6315	[<laugh>]	1468.8561
1349	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1467.6669	[Oh yeah.]	1468.0845
1351		1468.2757	[And it's the truth.]	1468.9198
1352		1469.0231	[It's the truth.]	1469.7310
1353	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1469.0473	[<laugh>]	1470.7787
1354	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1469.9504	[It definitely is.]	1470.7220
1355	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1471.1255	I wanna go remember what-	1472.0458
1357		1472.5626	I wanna remember!	1473.2775
1358	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1473.2988	Mm-hm.	1473.7377
1359	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1473.8580	<laugh>	1474.4102
1360	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1474.8278	So.	1475.2172
1361	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1475.2708	So what about like like with the music thing	1477.3874
1363		1478.1803	so /yeah/ you just gave me some really good history. I felt like I was in New York or [something. They way you just broke it down like that with the music] cause not a lot of people know.	1485.6952
1364	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1481.7947	[<laugh>]	1484.4422
1365		1485.7589	Mm-mm.	1486.1128
1366	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1486.1482	Like I didn't know all of that. I mean [I knew a lot]- I mean I knew s- some of it but [not all] of it like dang.	1491.1997
1367	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1487.7947	[Mm-hm.]	1488.2761
1369		1489.8971	[Mm-hm.]	1490.3927
1370		1492.7712	But history is my thing.	1493.7609
1372		1494.0071	So it's like you know history,	1495.7697
1374		1496.3431	culture,	1496.9944
1376		1497.5890	and like I said I do genealogy stuff, you know, for my family so you can't help but	1502.0953
1378		1504.7924	retain some of the stuff and and	1506.7857
1380		1507.0888	the things that	1508.0883
1382		1508.4068	imp- that you can impart like I impart to my kids cause	1511.6844
1384		1512.1982	they don't know.	1512.9839
1386		1513.5573	You know.	1513.9506
1388		1514.6687	And a lot of the tragedies with musical figures like	1518.0708
1390		1518.7149	Ron Isley and James Brown and	1521.6032
1392		1522.3252	you know actors like Red Fox who lost all of the money that they had from taxes	1526.7041
1394		1527.3271	because nobody-	1528.2827
1396		1529.2142	Sammy Davis Junior,	1530.2761
1398		1530.5946	you know, nobody	1531.6918
1400		1532.4918	either took the time	1533.6810
1402		1534.0491	or they didn't trust anybody to handle their money.	1536.5097
1403	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1538.2723	[Mm-hm.]	1539.0510
1404	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1538.7962	[You know], so here you are, you've worked your entire life	1541.4791
1405		1541.8726	and when it's-	1542.4035
1407		1542.7928	you could- you-	1543.6918
1409		1544.1732	you die	1544.8669
1411		1545.5536	your friends have to	1546.5517
1413		1547.1747	pony up money	1548.0637
1415		1548.4318	to help bury you.	1549.1680
1417		1551.1006	You know?	1551.4262
1419		1552.0491	Joe Louis.	1552.7499
1421		1553.0685	Same thing.	1553.6136
1423		1554.2831	Lost his money in taxes.	1555.6281
1424	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1555.9467	Mm.	1556.3997
1425	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1556.5342	He died. They /could/ took a collection to bury him,	1558.6579
1427		1559.4053	you know.	1559.8088
1429		1560.0566	This man had a great career.	1561.3662
1431		1562.7537	So.	1563.0581
1433		1565.0968	And the younger ones	1566.6613
1435		1567.6352	you would think would learn but you look at MC Hammer,	1570.7216
1437		1570.9835	you know,	1571.4083
1439		1571.8301	he lost his money.	1572.7716
1441		1573.9467	You look at, um,	1575.5961
1443		1577.2860	Mike Tyson.	1577.8584
1445		1578.8424	Thirty five million dollars, gone.	1580.4634
1447		1581.7377	Now the good thing for him is that he reinvented hisself	1584.5097
1449		1585.0972	and that helped.	1585.8263
1450	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1586.6617	Mm-hm.	1587.2846
1451	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1587.1997	You know.	1587.6598
1452		1589.6036	Same thing with George Foreman. He reinvented hisself.	1591.8405
1454		1592.8103	So	1593.2492
1456		1593.7235	Muhammad Ali	1594.6721
1458		1594.9128	he reinvented hisself,	1596.0883
1460		1596.7079	you know. They-	1597.5432
1462		1598.2298	they	1598.6758
1464		1599.0085	after there- they had run through their money they found a way	1601.9929
1466		1602.4459	to still keep themselves relevant,	1604.1095
1468		1604.9094	you know.	1605.3058
1469	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1605.9925	Mm.	1606.3748
1471		1607.6248	You said, um, like you say you study history have you ever	1610.3360
1473		1611.6669	throughout studying history ever	1613.1605
1475		1613.6036	found some information at point you believed something was true and then	1616.8669
1477		1617.3271	come to find out through you studying it	1618.9765
1478	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1619.1930	Oh [yeah.]	1619.5257
1479	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1619.3700	[it wasn't] true?	1620.1062
1480	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1620.1274	Oh yeah. I mean the the s-	1621.5007
1482		1621.9962	the s- the st- the history of slavery is is a [classic] example	1625.7310
1483	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1624.8349	[<exhale>]	1625.1888
1484	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1626.0495	because if you look at	1627.8334
1486		1630.2544	Roots,	1630.7712
1488		1632.2407	where the white man just comes on shore and then goes hunts for black people	1635.3837
1490		1636.3818	and that wasn't	1637.3487
1492		1637.5328	the essence of- there were instances of that but that wasn't the essence of slavery. The essence of slavery was from the French	1643.3587
1494		1644.3822	who would come and they would give	1646.5767
1496		1647.0510	trinkets and	1648.3960
1498		1649.6914	insignificant things to the tribes	1652.1237
1500		1652.7466	in order to,	1653.9429
1502		1654.1412	for them to give them their slaves.	1655.8489
1504		1657.0406	Because	1657.6777
1506		1657.9467	that was one of the things in looking at um,	1660.3960
1508		1662.1486	at, um, Skip Gates	1664.2086
1510		1664.4068	when he was doing	1665.4191
1512		1665.7943	these, um, documentaries on	1667.6743
1514		1667.9150	African Americans	1668.9415
1516		1670.1449	the	1670.3997
1518		1671.2351	the people who	1672.9552
1520		1673.8088	were	1674.1982
1522		1674.4955	conquered	1675.0052
1524		1675.7839	like	1675.9892
1526		1676.2582	our ancestors,	1677.1501
1527	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1677.7377	[Mm-hm.]	1678.0633
1528	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1677.7589	[okay?]	1678.0562
1529		1678.4031	Our ancestors were conquered by a tribe.	1680.7008
1531		1681.8405	And after they were conquered and that's why, you know, I see, you know,	1685.2879
1533		1685.9717	taking stock in for who we are we're a strong	1688.2157
1535		1688.7608	group of people	1689.5253
1537		1690.0350	because a lot of times	1691.3021
1539		1692.0708	the battles took place in the middle of Africa. Africa's huge.	1695.5748
1541		1696.6438	So	1697.2355
1543		1697.6602	our tribe lost	1698.8565
1545		1699.3237	and then they would have death marches	1700.8953
1547		1701.7660	from the	1702.1836
1549		1702.4455	the point of the battle	1703.5215
1551		1704.1628	to all the way to the	1706.0458
1553		1706.4705	the west coast.	1707.2280
1554	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1707.7589	Mm.	1708.0562
1555	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1708.1199	The Ivory Coast.	1708.9623
1557		1709.3800	And that's when the slave ships would	1710.9981
1559		1711.2813	come in and they would say okay well- you know,	1714.2332
1561		1715.4337	who you-	1715.8018
1563		1716.0212	who do you have to to sell to us,	1718.0175
1565		1718.1378	you know, in exchange for whatever	1719.6386
1567		1720.3606	and	1720.7429
1569		1721.0968	our ancestors were the ones that got ex- And then after you survive that	1725.0722
1571		1725.6952	then you've got it- it-	1726.6650
1573		1727.1039	survive like a three to four month voyage on a ship	1729.8122
1575		1730.1661	chained in the hull of a ship	1731.4899
1577		1732.4031	with	1732.6367
1579		1732.8632	disease and everything else.	1734.4035
1581		1734.6088	And a lot of the times they would lose	1735.9962
1583		1736.2865	well over fifty percent of their cargo.	1738.1789
1585		1738.3960	Cause the slaves would die, you throw 'em overboard. <ts>	1740.8707
1587		1741.8688	Then we f- survive that,	1743.0510
1589		1743.3058	we get here,	1744.0916
1591		1744.8986	you get sold off	1746.1062
1593		1746.4743	at auction	1747.2742
1595		1747.5857	to whoever,	1748.3856
1597		1748.6404	to work on their	1749.5111
1599		1750.1482	s- plantation for for whoever and we survived that.	1753.0618
1601		1753.7768	And then we survived	1755.0581
1603		1755.2917	Jim Crow and then we survived segregation and all of that and here we are now.	1760.2998
1605		1762.0704	That's an incredible journey for a people to take and still be here,	1765.7414
1607		1766.2086	still survive.	1767.0014
1609		1767.9854	You know, and	1768.7712
1611		1769.4053	our children don't understand that.	1770.9981
1613		1771.2176	They don't appreciate that.	1772.3148
1615		1773.1147	And that's the-	1774.0350
1617		1774.3040	that's the sadness of it all. That's why I'm so happy that they did that museum.	1777.2671
1619		1777.8688	So that they can make that connection that	1779.7447
1621		1780.2261	you're not here by chance.	1781.8489
1623		1782.5521	You know.	1782.9344
1624	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1784.4422	Mm-hm. It ain't all fun and video [games and], you [know.]	1787.7198
1625	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1786.7783	[No.]	1787.1322
1627		1787.3729	[It's not.]	1787.7976
1628		1788.2123	It's not.	1788.6371
1630		1789.4228	And	1790.0599
1632		1791.2775	that's- you know they were saying well you know we've got a African American president. I said	1794.8424
1634		1795.7556	we do	1796.1237
1636		1796.4988	but he did not live our experience.	1798.5234
1638		1800.1840	Okay?	1800.5238
1640		1801.1538	He had	1801.6564
1642		1802.3856	he had white parents.	1803.5536
1644		1804.2261	He had a white parent	1804.9482
1646		1805.9433	and he had- a mother	1806.8141
1648		1807.2954	and a African father.	1808.4068
1650		1808.6050	He truly is an African American.	1810.4526
1652		1811.5752	But	1811.8655
1654		1812.4247	he didn't ex-	1813.2459
1656		1813.6140	he didn't-	1814.4847
1658		1815.6032	his family- now Michelle's family grew up with the experience	1818.5257
1660		1818.8141	of	1819.1751
1662		1819.4936	of what we had	1820.4705
1664		1820.8316	in this country.	1821.5819
1666		1822.9906	But Barack understands it	1824.3964
1668		1825.8971	and he identifies with it.	1827.4514
1670		1828.3110	But so far as	1829.5398
1672		1830.4884	saying	1830.9698
1674		1831.4866	I can relate to you,	1832.8316
1676		1833.7164	well no you can't really.	1834.9137
1677	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1835.2525	<laugh> [Right.]	1836.1687
1678	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1835.5965	[<laugh>]	1836.6583
1679	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1836.7999	Sounds good.	1837.4582
1680	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1837.4795	Mm-hm.	1837.8971
1681	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1838.1520	[<laugh>]	1838.6050
1682	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1838.3431	[Yeah.]	1838.6333
1683		1838.7962	But you you can't.	1839.6379
1684	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1840.1836	Right.	1840.6154
1685	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1841.2567	So.	1841.6036
1686	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1842.8353	Do you still like-	1843.6423
1688		1843.8901	what schools did you go to?	1844.9828
1689	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1845.8014	I went to	1846.6154
1691		1847.2101	/RD-SCHOOL-2/ Elementary,	1848.6221
1693		1848.8990	/RD-SCHOOL-5/ Elementary	1850.5838
1695		1850.9094	on Nineteenth Street.	1851.9571
1697		1852.9765	And then from there /RD-2/ Junior High School. Now you talk about	1857.3483
1699		1857.9500	culture shock	1858.7145
1701		1859.9433	cause that was in Georgetown.	1860.9486
1703		1862.0883	So I've gone from a predominantly	1864.3275
1705		1864.7287	I'd say it was about	1865.4862
1707		1867.1822	sixty to seventy percent	1868.7324
1709		1869.4757	African American elementary school	1871.1464
1711		1872.7857	to a fifty fifty	1875.5961
1713		1875.9005	black white environment.	1877.2385
1715		1879.1184	And then by the time I got to high school it was more	1882.4668
1717		1883.4195	seventy thirty	1884.5380
1719		1885.1680	black to white.	1885.8688
1720	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1886.9448	Mm.	1887.3908
1721	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1887.3766	Because as we started- they were doing bussing	1889.5286
1722		1890.3610	and so as they started doing bussing the white people took their kids out of the public schools and put 'em in private school.	1895.5145
1724		1896.3893	Those that could afford it.	1897.3440
1725	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1899.5394	Cause they ain't want 'em to mingle.	1900.7924
1727		1902.1486	Got [you.]	1902.7306
1728	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1902.5521	[Yeah.]	1902.8636
1729		1903.8901	The quali- the quality of education wasn't gonna be the same. So I'm-	1907.2101
1731		1908.6796	we used to have, uh, in our junior high school,	1910.7537
1733		1911.3696	we used to have like past classes	1913.0939
1735		1913.3700	that they would put pictures on the wall	1915.0335
1737		1916.1166	And you would go back from like the thirties	1918.5093
1739		1919.2567	see /a number of/ white people- /number of/ white people	1920.7857
1741		1921.0831	and then probably around	1922.3856
1743		1922.6758	sixty six	1924.1765
1745		1924.6508	you would see one or two black people	1925.9584
1747		1926.9344	until you got to	1928.3573
1749		1929.7518	close to ours-	1930.6792
1751		1931.4337	year	1931.8301
1753		1932.3964	and then you would see	1933.5149
1755		1935.0298	sixty forty.	1935.9146
1757		1936.7429	First it was like you would- you could see the transition as the black people were coming in.	1940.5201
1759		1941.4049	You know, where it would be like	1942.6367
1761		1943.1818	ninety percent white and you know ten percent black and then it just slowly kept chopping down	1948.3960
1762	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1948.9057	[Mm-hm.]	1949.7622
1763	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1948.9128	[to where]	1949.4761
1764		1949.9433	when you got to probably about nineteen	1952.4847
1766		1953.8368	sixty seven	1955.4761
1768		1956.0000	it was like fifty fifty	1957.4866
1770		1958.3927	and then by the time I graduated	1960.7783
1772		1961.2313	from junior high school it was probably about	1963.3385
1774		1965.1784	seventy thirty, black to white.	1966.7004
1775	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1968.3398	Seventy thirty?	1969.1751
1776	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1969.6777	Mm-hm.	1970.0458
1777	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	1971.5657	What about	1971.9480
1779		1972.4152	back in the times w- um, what about the riots in DC? How was that experience?	1976.1033
1780	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	1977.4241	Um,	1978.2807
1782		1979.9230	it was	1981.0627
1784		1983.5869	it was scary.	1984.6842
1786		1986.3265	Because, um,	1987.7255
1788		1988.9811	it was	1989.9157
1790		1991.7177	there was a lot of anger. There had been anger in the city	1994.4926
1792		1995.0985	brewing	1995.5799
1794		1997.1231	and	1997.8310
1796		1998.0858	that kind of	1999.3671
1798		1999.7847	pushed it over the edge	2001.0944
1800		2001.5586	and so	2002.2099
1802		2002.6346	but the- the- the- the mentality of it was a thing that was just kind of	2006.4431
1804		2007.7851	got me because	2008.7479
1806		2009.3142	we're burning and- and the white-	2011.8414
1808		2012.1812	the- the white	2013.2501
1810		2014.2028	l-	2014.5001
1812		2014.7054	uh,	2015.1726
1814		2015.5407	law and order arm of the government	2018.0467
1816		2018.5634	made sure	2019.5374
1818		2020.0541	that all of the	2021.1726
1820		2022.0716	stuff that we were doing	2023.3600
1822		2023.8272	stayed in our neighborhood.	2025.1864
1824		2026.0400	So you couldn't go to Sixteenth Street	2028.0362
1826		2028.4468	burning nothing,	2029.1901
1828		2029.6998	and you couldn't go downtown	2031.3675
1830		2032.3019	burning nothing.	2032.9390
1832		2033.4983	They had all of it	2034.6026
1834		2035.3529	kind of centered	2036.7829
1836		2037.5303	around	2038.1816
1838		2038.8753	Georgia Avenue,	2039.9584
1840		2040.9990	Fourteenth Street,	2041.8980
1842		2042.5422	all of that was contained.	2043.7710
1844		2044.8470	And so we burned down	2046.8574
1846		2047.4450	all of the stores that serviced us.	2049.6988
1848		2051.2080	And a lot of Jewish people owned those stores,	2053.2255
1850		2054.6130	so we thought we were doing something.	2056.2170
1851	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2056.7550	Wasn't doing nothing.	2057.5884
1852	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2057.5620	No.	2057.8876
1853		2058.1495	Cause at the end of the day we didn't have any place to go shopping.	2060.4431
1855		2061.6365	And at the end of the day we didn't have a grocery store to go.	2063.8451
1857		2064.7512	Same thing that they do now when you saw w- with uh, Rodney King and everything else, they	2069.2151
1859		2069.5620	they contain	2070.5813
1861		2071.8626	the violence	2072.5705
1863		2072.8678	into the black community	2074.2560
1865		2074.8258	and l- let	2075.7106
1867		2076.3194	them go crazy	2077.2114
1869		2077.7989	and then at the end of it,	2078.9599
1871		2079.9692	they have burned down all of the resources that they had in the community.	2083.4237
1872	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2085.0419	And then they come in with new resources and take over [from that point] on.	2088.5408
1873	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2087.7035	[Mm-hm.]	2088.1283
1874		2088.6309	Mm-hm.	2088.9494
1875	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2089.7494	Makes sense.	2090.4714
1876	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2090.5676	Yup.	2090.7516
1878		2092.0258	It's a cycle. You would think that after sixty eight they're like oh okay we're done. No.	2096.0891
1880		2097.0065	L- lot of things that, you know,	2098.7691
1882		2099.9301	when I was talking to a friend of mine, we were saying that the other day. If you listen to a lot of the protest songs	2104.7904
1884		2105.3213	of the sixties,	2106.3477
1886		2107.2043	uh,	2107.7423
1888		2109.2684	talking about,	2109.9692
1890		2110.1462	you know, war	2111.1160
1892		2111.3850	and poverty and how things are going,	2113.7989
1894		2114.3581	the cycle is the same.	2115.9356
1896		2116.4081	You could take those songs from the sixties, play 'em today	2118.9990
1898		2119.7210	and it'd be the same.	2120.4360
1899	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2121.4666	Mm.	2121.9383
1900	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2122.8753	Cause all the issues that they had,	2124.4610
1902		2125.0627	you know,	2125.4096
1904		2125.8626	Marvin Gaye,	2126.6130
1906		2127.0377	What's Going On?	2127.7781
1908		2129.0240	From the seventies, you can put here in twenty sixteen it's still relevant.	2131.9122
1909	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2133.1197	Yup.	2133.5020
1911		2134.2170	Why you think it hasn't been change?	2135.6537
1912	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2137.1547	We have to- there are a number of things. There- like- like I said this it's- it's-	2141.2505
1914		2142.1849	it's us having	2143.5795
1916		2144.1387	a political voice number one, which we don't.	2146.6983
1918		2147.7248	We have people who	2148.9282
1920		2149.7281	make noise,	2150.5068
1922		2150.9357	you know,	2151.3533
1924		2152.2240	but we don't have the- the- the thing that ch-	2155.0981
1926		2155.3105	that- that I've seen is that,	2157.2089
1928		2157.6082	case in point	2158.4223
1930		2159.8522	during the sixties when	2161.0061
1932		2161.3175	as long as we were scattered	2163.3887
1934		2164.2807	and we didn't have unity	2165.5195
1936		2166.4822	nobody cared.	2167.2184
1938		2168.0467	But when we had	2169.2218
1940		2169.4383	even in the white	2170.1179
1942		2170.3585	sector	2170.8895
1944		2171.1301	with people who like they loved John Kennedy.	2174.5167
1946		2175.2118	John Kennedy could do no wrong.	2176.5921
1948		2178.0292	Okay well we can't have a person, a single person,	2181.0094
1950		2181.2896	the mind thought I believe was that we can't have a person	2184.5813
1952		2185.7281	who is that	2186.7050
1954		2187.9480	important	2188.5568
1956		2189.0806	that people will just	2190.1495
1958		2190.8432	follow.	2191.4166
1960		2192.1599	That's a problem.	2192.9032
1962		2193.7568	So	2194.1886
1964		2194.4718	he disappears. They get rid of him.	2195.9725
1966		2197.2963	You know?	2197.7281
1968		2199.1905	Bobby Kennedy,	2200.0400
1970		2201.2576	another polari- you know, everybody's behind Bobby. Whatever Bobby goes,	2205.0519
1972		2205.2401	you know?	2205.6506
1974		2205.9692	He's-	2206.2807
1976		2207.0806	we can't have that.	2207.6965
1978		2208.4610	He goes.	2209.0262
1980		2210.2590	Medgar Evers.	2211.1056
1982		2212.3019	[Medgar Evers got] a lot of black people following him.	2214.3548
1983	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2212.3090	[Hm mm-hm.]	2212.9925
1984	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2215.2467	We can't have that.	2216.1145
1986		2216.8578	Medgar goes.	2217.6506
1988		2218.3373	Martin Luther King	2219.2717
1990		2220.1212	has people following him.	2221.1122
1992		2221.6361	He's getting out of- he's getting out- he's got too much control.	2224.0862
1994		2225.4770	He disappears.	2226.2699
1996		2228.2944	Malcolm X.	2229.0419
1998		2229.7356	Oh no.	2230.5497
2000		2230.7904	He's too radical.	2231.7814
2002		2232.5035	We can't have him	2233.3034
2004		2233.4733	going out here, doing whatever.	2234.7546
2006		2235.8276	And they were seeing that as they k- I think what happens is is that they were seeing is that when they killed	2240.6100
2008		2241.0843	these leaders, they became martyrs.	2243.0877
2010		2243.8168	So they became bigger in death than they were when they were alive.	2247.3664
2012		2248.6559	And so	2249.7389
2014		2251.3105	I mean anytime you've got the head of- I mean think about it.	2254.0612
2016		2254.3798	Anytime you've got the head of the FBI, you've got J. Edgar Hoover	2258.0891
2018		2258.9386	out	2259.3887
2020		2260.5961	with his boyfriend	2261.7885
2022		2262.4397	at	2262.9353
2024		2263.3883	a racetrack	2264.2944
2026		2265.7214	and somebody comes up to him and says the president of the United States has just been assassinated.	2270.0962
2028		2271.1410	And he says, okay fine.	2272.2382
2030		2273.4062	Go	2273.7035
2032		2273.9371	look- you know, find out what all it is about it and get back with me.	2277.2126
2033	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2280.6309	<laugh>	2280.9707
2034	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2281.7140	I mean these are things that,	2283.3171
2036		2284.0966	you know,	2284.6205
2038		2285.0240	just kind of-	2286.1920
2040		2288.0467	I don't know, you know, if there's- I don't know if there's like a just a power structure,	2294.1953
2042		2295.0348	um, case in point,	2296.6488
2044		2297.6328	Cheney.	2298.1566
2046		2298.9070	You know they're talking about Donald Trump. Look at-	2300.3865
2048		2300.6342	at Dick Cheney.	2301.4500
2050		2302.3444	He	2302.7904
2052		2303.3850	was the president of Halliburton.	2304.6521
2054		2306.0962	Okay. Y- you the president of Halliburton.	2308.1939
2056		2308.6700	Halliburton gets the contract	2310.1920
2058		2310.6450	for the Iraq war	2311.7635
2060		2312.5776	and it's a no bid contract.	2313.9550
2062		2314.3798	Most government contracts you have to have at least three bids on.	2317.1122
2064		2318.2024	Okay.	2318.5422
2066		2318.9711	They had no bids	2320.1533
2068		2320.7550	because they say quote unquote Halliburton was the only company that could do that.	2323.6856
2070		2323.9830	Who did you ask?	2324.8466
2072		2326.5214	Nobody.	2326.9886
2074		2327.2363	And nobody said a word.	2328.8220
2076		2329.6998	It went through	2330.6201
2078		2331.5799	and Halliburton to this day still does some of the work for	2335.2609
2080		2335.5299	the Afgh- Afghans.	2336.8537
2081	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2338.9107	Mm.	2339.3000
2082	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2339.9230	And now they're talking about, you know, well Trump's doing so and so. It's like	2342.2132
2084		2342.7050	the powers that be will turn a	2344.5284
2086		2344.8682	a blind eye to that.	2345.8734
2088		2347.2114	You know.	2347.5865
2090		2348.0821	Because the people who are there-	2349.5020
2092		2351.0877	One of the things there was a sobering conversation I had with one of my patients	2354.3935
2094		2354.5676	who was a	2355.4029
2096		2356.1037	lobbyist.	2356.7691
2098		2357.7106	And he was a lobbyist for a tobacco company.	2359.7946
2100		2360.0537	And this was when I first started	2361.9621
2102		2362.4860	practicing about a good	2364.2840
2104		2364.8574	<ts> fifteen, sixteen years ago.	2366.2803
2106		2367.7922	And he said,	2368.5355
2108		2369.0664	he asked me he said well who do you- he said who's your political party?	2371.8697
2110		2372.3723	We got to talking about politics.	2373.4500
2112		2374.2382	And I was like well I'm a democrat.	2375.5124
2114		2375.8734	You know.	2376.2345
2116		2376.4964	And, uh,	2377.4166
2118		2377.8343	he said well let me give you some advice.	2379.2926
2120		2380.4293	He said I'm not here to	2381.2363
2122		2381.8805	kind of bust your bubble but I'm just gonna let you know how things work	2384.6555
2124		2385.6153	in DC.	2386.1320
2126		2387.1443	He said in my office- and he was telling me he worked for a c- tobacco company-	2390.5564
2128		2390.6909	he said in my office I have two packages.	2392.6913
2130		2393.5053	He said and I- I- and-	2394.7725
2132		2395.0627	I said well how much as a lobbyist do you make?	2397.0802
2134		2397.9692	He says as a lobbyist I'm making about three fifty and I'm not the-	2400.6804
2136		2401.1547	a year and I'm not the highest paid one.	2402.7050
2138		2403.4454	He said I'm in the middle.	2404.4152
2140		2405.8097	But	2406.0929
2142		2407.1830	he said what happens is I have two packages in my office.	2410.0258
2144		2410.9815	So	2411.4487
2146		2412.6380	you're a new senator.	2413.6290
2148		2414.4572	You come up to Capitol Hill.	2415.9825
2150		2417.0735	You a democrat. I go get the democratic package.	2419.2043
2152		2419.9051	I go up there,	2420.5422
2154		2420.8578	introduce myself to you because you're young. You're just on the committee.	2424.6026
2156		2425.0131	You don't really have any power yet.	2426.1529
2158		2427.2330	So I tell you that, you know, I'm here	2429.2222
2160		2429.6752	to	2430.1283
2162		2430.3973	represent the interest that my company has blah blah blah.	2433.1834
2164		2433.7851	<ts> And I'm gonna contribute to your	2436.1991
2166		2436.9211	campaign	2437.4379
2168		2437.9830	for re-election.	2438.6130
2170		2438.9569	This is the first day you get in there they start thinking about okay, the next election.	2442.9707
2172		2443.1476	So that I can keep my gravy train going here.	2445.2111
2174		2446.3444	So he says first I get your attention when I give you the money for your campaign.	2450.9032
2176		2452.3798	Then	2452.8965
2178		2453.1372	when I come back and you're the head of it,	2455.1122
2180		2456.2732	okay, I've gone from getting your attention to getting your soul.	2458.9178
2182		2461.4520	Because now	2462.2520
2184		2463.2047	in order for you to get this check that I got,	2464.9815
2186		2465.5266	anything that I wi-	2466.3619
2188		2466.6309	I feel strongly about you're gonna vote for.	2468.6484
2190		2470.3798	And he said it works regardless if- if you don't get elected and a republican gets elected then I go get my repub-	2475.0985
2192		2475.3179	republican package and I'll come back and do that.	2477.5832
2194		2478.9919	And it was-	2479.3883
2196		2479.9759	I was disillusioned by it.	2481.2572
2198		2483.0240	Because it's like okay well	2484.4822
2200		2484.6875	here you think-	2485.6078
2202		2486.2236	and I think that the people who do come here some of them- probably a majority of them come in here with the right	2490.6521
2204		2490.8079	mindset of wanting to do something right.	2492.7262
2206		2494.5284	But after they get here-	2495.8310
2208		2496.5955	So as a black- so getting back to your question,	2498.9315
2210		2499.2613	so as a black	2500.0117
2212		2500.4293	person- as a people-	2501.9725
2214		2502.6167	how do you compete with that?	2503.7069
2216		2505.6294	You know.	2506.0329
2218		2506.2524	Yeah,	2506.7479
2220		2507.0310	they put us in charge of DC.	2508.5247
2222		2508.8362	They said you could have a mayor	2509.9405
2224		2510.3935	and when Walter Washington got elected as the first mayor of DC everybody was happy.	2514.8928
2225	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2515.6998	<laugh>	2516.2378
2226	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2516.0508	But the question was okay,	2517.7498
2227		2518.6488	he was the overseer.	2519.9513
2229		2521.4591	Congress was the master.	2522.6271
2231		2523.7710	And	2524.2311
2233		2524.7266	we don't care what you wanted to do,	2526.5318
2235		2526.8291	you had to go	2527.6432
2237		2528.4785	talk to- as my my uncle you used to say, you got to go ask Mr. Charlie first.	2531.7902
2239		2532.2557	And if Mr. Charlie say you can do it	2533.8626
2241		2534.7758	then you can do it	2535.5188
2243		2535.7144	on a limited basis.	2536.6771
2245		2537.0027	Now what's gonna change	2538.3123
2247		2538.6380	and mark my words	2539.7210
2249		2539.7989	because of the demographics that are changing in the city	2542.6983
2251		2544.2203	that whole	2545.0485
2253		2545.5865	power structure	2546.5988
2255		2547.1834	is gonna change.	2548.2736
2257		2549.2363	And	2549.7035
2259		2549.9088	they may need a /mite/- a white mayor	2552.3369
2261		2552.9498	in order to get	2553.7427
2263		2554.5497	the blanket	2555.3071
2265		2555.7035	carte blanche to do whatever they want to,	2557.5653
2267		2558.1316	or they could get a- a black mayor who's sympathetic to	2561.6044
2269		2562.0575	issues that the w- the white	2563.6219
2271		2564.0821	residents have,	2565.1014
2272	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2565.7002	[Hm.]	2566.0612
2273	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2565.9409	[you] know,	2566.3019
2274		2567.5620	but the	2568.3548
2276		2568.6592	amount of power that's gonna be	2570.4502
2278		2571.1480	there is gonna change.	2572.3798
2280		2573.3284	Cause right now you can't-	2574.0677
2282		2574.3406	I mean you've got,	2575.0131
2284		2575.3812	you know,	2575.7989
2286		2576.2661	people who are going, uh,	2577.8418
2288		2578.2594	we elect somebody to,	2579.7956
2290		2580.0009	um,	2580.6734
2292		2581.5936	the House,	2582.0891
2294		2582.4856	you know, uh,	2583.2005
2296		2583.4878	or	2583.7285
2298		2584.0966	the Senate	2584.5214
2300		2586.2274	who can't vote.	2586.9848
2301	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2587.5865	<laugh>	2587.8909
2302	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2588.1953	Okay so	2589.1722
2304		2590.1957	why is she there?	2590.9532
2306		2592.9070	[That makes no sense.]	2593.7706
2307	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2592.9070	[<laugh>]	2593.5582
2308		2594.2307	You right.	2594.7262
2310		2595.7568	Let me aks you a question. You was talking about- this is a another history question.	2599.0273
2311	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2599.2751	Hm.	2599.4591
2312	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2599.4874	How does it feel like when you know that	2601.0873
2314		2601.8135	that	2602.0683
2316		2602.5638	about you- about you studying history now you know that,	2604.7725
2318		2606.0396	that they haven't updated the books at school and stuff,	2608.5355
2320		2608.7266	you know, at the schools and educational system and now, you know, that your sons and daughters are gonna get	2612.7900
2322		2613.3816	taught lies in a [sense.] How do you	2615.4275
2323	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2614.3656	[Mm-hm.]	2614.7125
2324	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2615.7248	combat that?	2616.4044
2326		2616.9777	[Or how do] you feel about that?	2618.0396
2327	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2617.0061	[But the-]	2617.3246
2328		2618.0891	Oh I mean it's	2619.1935
2330		2619.5161	it's up to	2620.6134
2332		2621.4416	parents	2622.0079
2334		2622.2274	and I've always said this.	2623.4591
2336		2623.6078	You know, when my kids were- my kids are grown now	2625.4500
2338		2625.9550	um, but	2627.0735
2340		2627.2363	it's up to parents	2628.8786
2342		2629.5511	to enlighten your kids,	2631.2359
2344		2631.6153	you know. And when you're helping them with their homework and	2634.4822
2346		2635.0415	because they don't wanna vilify the history of the United States	2638.6700
2348		2639.1160	about slavery.	2640.0479
2350		2640.7371	They'll talk all day about the Holocaust and how the Germans killed the Jews.	2644.1712
2352		2644.7620	And the Jews will talk about the six million people that got killed during World War Two,	2648.7758
2354		2649.3392	how about we've lost more than that. We've been here since the fourteen hundreds.	2652.5884
2355	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2652.6026	<laugh>	2652.9070
2356	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2652.8645	We are beyond six million.	2654.2449
2357		2654.7021	And they're still killing us.	2655.6082
2358	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2655.5728	Right, [so this Holocaust] is still yeah, it's [still] going [on.]	2658.9424
2359	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2655.9550	[They just found a different way of killing us.]	2657.3779
2361		2658.0787	[Yeah.]	2658.3123
2363		2658.7654	[So], you know.	2659.5653
2364		2660.4289	Those are the things that	2661.6082
2366		2662.0471	parents need to be- and that's like I said that's why that	2665.1972
2368		2665.4662	the museum is important,	2666.7900
2370		2667.0873	you know. If the p- if parents take their time	2669.4699
2372		2670.4044	to enlighten their kids	2671.9263
2374		2672.1245	that you know it's not like you said. It's not just video games and going to the club.	2676.3760
2376		2677.0485	You gotta pay attention	2678.5068
2378		2678.9144	about what's going on	2680.3585
2380		2680.7691	around here.	2681.4062
2382		2681.6115	And the same thing with,	2682.8220
2384		2684.7233	you know, I'm all for wanting to be yourself and all this o- other kind of stuff	2688.0221
2386		2688.7017	but	2689.1052
2388		2689.4874	if you've got dreads	2690.9882
2390		2691.9621	and you-	2692.3585
2392		2692.6771	especially one that you're not taking care of,	2694.4893
2394		2695.1760	you know,	2695.4733
2396		2695.9051	and you gonna go	2697.0944
2398		2697.7073	to an interview	2698.6629
2400		2698.8470	and you want a job working in a bank,	2700.7441
2402		2701.6644	okay.	2702.1104
2404		2702.8366	You gotta look around and see, okay, hm.	2705.0806
2406		2707.0981	Who- what is the- what is the image of this company	2709.8064
2408		2710.1745	and do I represent the image of this company?	2712.8008
2409	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2713.1406	Mm-hm.	2713.7352
2410	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2713.9334	And if I don't	2714.8324
2412		2716.5426	get in to there f-	2717.4770
2414		2717.7956	get into it first	2718.8786
2416		2719.1901	then make a change,	2720.2590
2418		2720.3794	see if you can push change.	2721.7427
2420		2722.3090	You know, go in	2723.3921
2422		2724.3123	like the rest of the people are.	2726.0962
2424		2726.3723	Wear the good suit, good haircut, you know,	2728.3798
2426		2729.0169	and then if	2729.7672
2428		2730.1070	you wanna change, once you get there and you understand what's around there	2733.8205
2430		2734.2311	then move to change.	2735.7319
2432		2736.6309	You know,	2737.0344
2434		2737.8555	but	2738.1216
2436		2738.2703	you know, you go in there and then you don't get the job then it's like oh the white man tryna put me down.	2742.0648
2438		2742.1637	No the white man not tryna put you down. You're putting yourself down because you're not paying attention.	2745.5445
2439	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2746.7054	[Mm-hm.]	2747.3991
2440	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2746.8399	[You know.]	2747.2009
2441		2747.9159	Now if you got your own business,	2749.0910
2443		2749.4237	/pf/,	2749.6078
2445		2749.8839	no problem,	2750.3935
2447		2750.9640	you know.	2751.2967
2449		2751.6436	But you still have to get other people to	2753.7814
2451		2754.2274	to work with [you], buy stuff from you	2756.2187
2452	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2754.9424	[/Hm./]	2755.1760
2453	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2756.9245	and if	2757.6506
2455		2758.0895	your people or	2759.6328
2457		2760.2415	white people or whoever your- are your customers	2762.5917
2459		2763.3463	and they don't share	2764.7125
2461		2765.1797	your values	2766.1495
2463		2767.1052	then,	2767.6644
2464	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2768.1245	Mm-hm.	2768.9245
2465	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2768.9357	you know.	2769.4170
2467		2770.1320	You-	2770.5497
2469		2771.1372	you got a problem.	2771.6778
2471		2771.9017	<laugh>	2772.7795
2473		2773.3388	So.	2773.8201
2474	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2775.2967	Who was your, um,	2775.9621
2476		2776.3161	who's your favorite teacher?	2777.2717
2477	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2778.2966	<ts>	2778.4425
2479		2778.7441	My favorite teacher- I had two teach- I had two teachers that were.	2782.0188
2481		2782.5568	I had my, um,	2784.0433
2483		2784.5884	<ts> one of my professors in- who happened to be my f- uh, fraternity	2788.9036
2485		2789.6257	advisor,	2790.3194
2487		2791.5087	um, /RD-NAME-4/.	2792.8749
2489		2793.2401	He was from Pittsburgh.	2794.1179
2491		2795.3567	And, uh,	2796.1212
2493		2796.2557	he taught me a lot of history about	2798.0608
2495		2798.5180	the	2799.0206
2497		2800.0966	growth of you know black	2802.1778
2499		2802.5530	cultural	2803.2751
2501		2803.4096	um, expansion in Pittsburgh which	2805.4949
2503		2805.7214	I didn't- it was just similar to DC.	2807.2434
2505		2807.5620	Which probably a lot of cities they had their places where their,	2809.9830
2507		2810.7970	um, restaurants,	2812.3302
2509		2812.7620	tailors,	2813.6469
2511		2814.3052	you know um,	2815.4520
2513		2816.8820	all kind of, you know, different businesses that white people used to come down into	2820.9990
2515		2821.8980	their	2822.3157
2517		2822.9286	businesses because they knew that the quality of workmanship	2825.9725
2519		2826.8786	was	2827.3246
2521		2827.9192	exceptional.	2828.5534
2523		2829.2330	Same thing what my mom was telling me about U Street	2831.6002
2525		2831.7672	when they used to have all black businesses down there	2834.0962
2527		2834.5847	white people used to go down there to get, you know	2836.5355
2529		2837.3000	their stuff, you know, taken care of, laundry,	2839.9192
2531		2840.3015	tailors,	2841.0306
2533		2841.4878	you know a lot of stuff that was down there.	2842.8895
2535		2843.1018	Because, uh,	2843.9938
2537		2844.3123	workmanship was exceptional.	2845.8004
2539		2846.7829	But	2847.1588
2541		2848.0683	what happened which	2850.0362
2543		2850.5176	which Du Bois had	2852.0891
2545		2853.1056	had kind of saw coming	2854.8824
2547		2855.8876	is that	2856.4114
2549		2856.9848	integration would be the	2858.2874
2551		2858.7445	the	2859.0135
2553		2859.1551	downfall	2860.0612
2555		2860.3019	of us as a people.	2861.4079
2557		2862.3194	And it was.	2862.8999
2559		2864.0537	Because when	2865.1510
2561		2865.4241	we had our own schools,	2866.8328
2563		2867.6044	we had to be	2868.5884
2565		2868.9990	better than	2869.5936
2567		2870.3865	anybody.	2870.9103
2569		2871.5232	So the quality of education was,	2873.6257
2571		2873.8310	you know, it had a	2874.6946
2573		2874.9211	extra high standard cause they	2876.4643
2575		2876.6625	we had to do a hundred fifty	2878.0885
2577		2878.3869	plus.	2878.8682
2579		2879.7319	We had to be a hundred and fifty percent better	2881.3883
2581		2881.9051	than the average person coming out of a white school.	2884.2382
2583		2885.0098	The teachers we had were exceptional.	2886.8999
2585		2887.1264	The,	2887.6432
2587		2888.2661	you know, the edu- like I said the education was exceptional.	2890.5495
2589		2891.2009	But once we got to the point as a people that integration hit,	2894.7475
2591		2895.7073	we were like, oh okay we've arrived	2897.2363
2593		2898.2132	so we don't have to worry about,	2899.6573
2595		2900.3298	you know, just going to Howard. We can go to American University,	2903.4062
2597		2903.7602	and that really didn't really start happening until like s- nineteen seventy and on where we were	2908.4010
2599		2909.0098	able to go to these schools.	2910.2840
2601		2910.7866	And we turned out backs on our institutions	2913.2572
2603		2913.8559	and the professors who were teaching at our schools, the exceptional professors,	2917.3954
2605		2917.6502	they went to white schools.	2918.8324
2607		2920.1603	Cause the white schools were getting	2921.8310
2609		2922.0292	funding	2922.7158
2611		2923.2609	if they had a diverse	2924.4785
2613		2924.6979	faculty.	2925.2076
2615		2926.2736	So our good professors, a number of them went to white schools.	2929.8131
2617		2930.6625	Then the s- our schools started hiring professors that weren't up to the standard that they used to be because they couldn't compete with white institutions.	2938.1816
2618	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2939.3213	Mm.	2939.9799
2619	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2940.0079	And you can fast forward the-	2941.4025
2621		2941.6432	the quality of education suffered.	2944.0046
2623		2945.0806	It's kind of	2946.0858
2625		2946.3265	stabilizing now. And you find a lot of white people are coming to black schools because	2951.1514
2627		2951.4416	from an economic standpoint it's cheaper.	2953.3600
2628	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2956.1674	Makes sense.	2956.9285
2629	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2956.8611	Mm-hm.	2957.2151
2630	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2958.0221	What do you know about, um, Marcus Garvey?	2959.6573
2631	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2960.8324	Marcus Garvey	2961.9338
2633		2962.1745	and his	2962.9673
2635		2963.3567	Back to Africa movement	2964.5955
2637		2964.7937	<laugh> [was] uh,	2966.5847
2638	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	2965.9263	[<laugh>]	2966.2378
2639	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	2967.6719	he-	2968.1745
2641		2970.9636	I think that he-	2972.0184
2643		2973.1410	he looked at it from the stand- I don't think it was very realistic.	2976.0504
2645		2976.4327	I thought that he probably thought that everybody was gonna- when he came up with this	2979.6436
2647		2980.5497	criticism of the status quo of the United States as it was	2984.4714
2649		2984.7970	and that we needed to	2986.3503
2651		2987.4345	leave and find a place for ourselves.	2989.7210
2653		2991.9338	Um,	2992.8824
2655		2993.5761	it probably appealed to some people.	2995.2847
2657		2996.8891	I think the vast majority of	2998.9532
2659		2999.2788	what was, um,	3000.7300
2661		3003.5091	his point of view wasn't shared by everybody because	3006.4044
2663		3006.8574	this is our home.	3007.7140
2665		3008.5139	And that was a theme that a lot of people were saying. It's like this is our home.	3012.9211
2667		3013.5370	Why should we leave it?	3014.5634
2669		3017.4841	You know?	3017.9088
2671		3018.2699	And	3018.9565
2673		3020.6059	I mean Booker T. Washington, you listen to him,	3023.1372
2675		3024.0292	um,	3024.7725
2677		3026.3015	he-	3027.0731
2679		3027.6153	he was controversial but he was a	3029.5336
2681		3029.7248	brilliant person.	3030.6380
2683		3031.0202	He was controversial from the standpoint of	3033.5020
2685		3034.5921	understanding you're taking people who are former slaves	3037.8272
2687		3038.9315	and you're	3039.5232
2689		3039.9763	putting them	3040.9815
2691		3041.1443	you want to put them in	3042.6734
2693		3043.4379	the Senate,	3044.2915
2695		3044.4543	you want to put them in-	3046.0471
2697		3046.5638	a lot of these people then didn't even know how to take care of themselves	3048.8362
2699		3049.9759	and he was frowned upon because	3052.6913
2701		3053.8097	he was saying wait a minute,	3055.2043
2703		3055.3600	these things that you're saying,	3056.8254
2705		3057.1764	you know I'm not saying can't happen	3058.7974
2707		3059.3496	but we as a people are not there yet.	3061.0344
2709		3061.7564	You can't go from the plantation one day to the S- to the Congress the next day.	3065.3000
2710	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3066.5601	[Mm-hm.]	3067.1476
2711	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3066.8291	[You know,]	3067.1689
2712		3067.4520	or from being,	3068.8224
2714		3069.0702	you know, on the plantation one day and going and opening your own business	3072.5955
2715	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3072.6309	<laugh>	3073.0273
2716	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3073.1618	with no	3073.9830
2718		3074.3723	idea of	3075.3846
2720		3076.0966	how to run a business,	3077.6186
2722		3077.8805	you know.	3078.2132
2724		3079.0627	So those are things that he wanted to instill in	3081.5091
2726		3081.7002	the people. I mean the biggest- one of the	3083.3567
2728		3083.5832	things that I learned	3084.5742
2730		3084.9990	in reading that	3085.7494
2732		3086.4926	is that	3087.2855
2734		3087.7427	<laugh>	3088.2170
2736		3088.5709	one of the things that they required for the students that came in there is that they brushed their teeth daily.	3093.4029
2737	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3094.8187	Hm.	3095.1018
2738	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3098.5493	You just kind of assume	3099.8509
2740		3100.2311	today I mean /don't/ you just kind of assume that that's like	3102.4397
2742		3102.6734	normal.	3103.0485
2744		3104.2490	It wasn't a part because they didn't have tooth brushes.	3106.1249
2745	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3107.3708	Mm.	3107.8664
2746	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3107.7035	You know.	3108.1849
2747		3108.5742	Bathing	3109.2114
2749		3109.9051	daily,	3110.4997
2751		3110.8324	brushing your teeth,	3111.6294
2753		3112.2736	personal oral hygiene,	3113.3425
2755		3113.7814	that was like the first thing	3115.1264
2757		3115.5299	that they were taught.	3116.3227
2759		3119.3921	And then you know the other things that they were taught about- cause a lot of the	3122.5776
2761		3122.7687	the s- the subjects that he taught were agricultural in nature because	3126.1070
2763		3126.5672	we had worked in the fields.	3127.6644
2765		3128.0467	We understood that.	3128.9599
2767		3130.4576	But	3130.7408
2769		3131.0452	later on they-	3132.0646
2771		3132.2911	they increased the curriculum to where, you know,	3134.2944
2773		3134.4643	they put	3134.8466
2775		3135.1834	business classes and stuff in there but	3137.0664
2777		3137.5832	initially when you have like	3139.1972
2779		3140.7121	people who were just coming out of a situation like that you have to give them what they can eat.	3144.7300
2781		3145.3883	Like you can- they're on baby milk right now.	3147.3533
2783		3147.4949	They not ready to sit down to a steak dinner.	3149.3638
2784	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3150.0221	Right.	3150.4751
2785	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3150.4893	You know?	3150.8432
2787		3151.1972	So, um,	3152.2590
2789		3153.5586	and like I said, he caught a lot of flack for that	3155.4912
2791		3155.9017	because the fact that they were saying that he was	3158.4856
2793		3160.5780	s- they had called him Uncle Tom. They was like you know, you don't underst- you know, you're trying to keep us down and	3165.8276
2795		3167.1868	and they just didn't see that	3168.6167
2797		3169.4591	th- along with the fact that it was a threat- If you ever get a chance to read Up From Slavery,	3173.4629
2799		3173.9371	read that book.	3174.6804
2801		3174.8928	I mean	3175.2680
2803		3175.9405	he was saying that	3176.8183
2805		3177.6506	there was a balance that he had to keep	3179.8168
2807		3180.6026	with	3181.0375
2809		3181.2114	black people now coming into the mainstream	3184.1533
2811		3184.7691	of	3185.4699
2813		3185.8097	business and all aspects of life.	3188.4502
2815		3189.0631	And it was something that you had to	3190.8895
2817		3191.0452	take in steps because black people- white people were used to you being their servants.	3195.1935
2819		3196.2807	And slaves.	3196.9461
2821		3197.7743	So whenever you have	3199.5441
2823		3200.2378	all of these people that are in different roles now	3202.5001
2825		3203.1939	this is a s- a process,	3204.7371
2827		3205.7423	you know.	3206.0750
2829		3206.5251	And	3207.0135
2831		3207.2825	in that proc- because	3208.4435
2833		3208.9603	it can go negative for you like it did with the Klan.	3211.3742
2834	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3212.1104	<laugh>	3212.4289
2835	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3212.5180	You know they saw us like, oh okay well these black people, you know, niggas getting unr- r- restless, you know. We ain't putting up with this.	3218.6979
2837		3218.9215	You know.	3219.2401
2839		3220.2170	Particularly when they saw us in like	3222.0150
2841		3222.3123	positions as Senators and	3224.0537
2843		3224.5493	they were like uh-uh. Y'all- y'all got to fix the rules to get them where they sposta belong.	3228.3336
2845		3228.8574	And all of those positions that they got during reconstruction they lost	3232.2878
2847		3232.9178	because the white	3233.8664
2849		3234.4610	government	3235.0769
2851		3235.5653	the white state government figured out a way	3237.5728
2853		3237.7427	to get them out of office	3238.8328
2855		3239.3284	with all kind of crazy tests that you had to-	3241.4874
2857		3241.8060	how many marbles in a bottle?	3242.9599
2859		3243.3533	Read this paragraph. Oh you didn't read it right. You can't vote.	3245.8451
2861		3246.7725	[You know, all this] kind of crazy stuff.	3248.2166
2862	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3246.7866	[Mm-hm.]	3247.2464
2863	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3249.0631	So.	3249.4454
2864	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3249.7851	Wow.	3250.1603
2865	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3250.6205	Yeah.	3250.9390
2867		3251.1655	So it's	3251.7602
2869		3253.8980	it's a journey. We're still on [it though.]	3255.6790
2870	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3255.1976	[<laugh>]	3255.6077
2871	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3255.8205	[Yeah.]	3256.2120
2872	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3255.8701	[Yeah], ain't nobody- Yeah. [We still on] it.	3258.0009
2873	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3257.1443	[Mm-hm.]	3257.6611
2874		3258.0787	[We still on it.]	3258.8008
2875	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3258.1637	[Um],	3258.6663
2876		3260.3410	tell me about um, go go music.	3262.0117
2877	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3264.7795	Chuck Brown?	3265.2255
2878	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3265.5724	Mm, yeh.	3265.9263
2880		3266.1882	[Tell me about] go [go.]	3266.9431
2881	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3266.2095	[Yeah?]	3266.4997
2883		3266.7729	[That] well,	3267.3463
2884		3269.2151	go go is	3270.3690
2886		3270.6663	beyond me.	3271.3034
2888		3272.4006	Go go	3273.1935
2890		3273.6082	and	3274.1037
2892		3274.7762	and rap	3275.5266
2894		3276.3406	I mean	3276.8079
2896		3276.9777	that was kind of	3278.5705
2898		3279.1834	the generation	3280.2099
2900		3280.7833	behind me's thing.	3281.9088
2902		3283.6998	I thought that, you know, I thought it was amazing	3286.1816
2904		3287.2363	that	3287.5478
2906		3287.9513	he was able to kind of l-	3289.3388
2908		3290.0113	put this	3290.5847
2910		3291.0914	new type of music together.	3292.6559
2912		3293.2859	You know.	3293.6611
2914		3294.3336	Um,	3294.7441
2916		3296.4572	but	3296.7121
2918		3297.0985	my generation was just-	3298.4435
2920		3299.1585	the meaning for music that my generation had	3301.6998
2922		3302.2944	and the meaning for music that the next generation had	3305.6398
2924		3306.1424	with go go I respected it	3307.5724
2926		3308.4289	as a art form.	3309.3463
2928		3310.0895	Uh, I respect rap as a art form.	3311.9796
2930		3312.4327	It's just	3313.0202
2932		3313.1901	not me.	3313.5865
2933	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3314.1670	Right.	3314.6271
2934	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3314.7799	You know.	3315.1480
2935	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3315.9904	Fair enough.	3316.5143
2936	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3316.5072	Yeah.	3316.8116
2937	DCB_se1_ag3_m_01	3317.5620	[Fair enough.]	3318.1208
2938	DCB_se3_ag4_m_01	3317.6408	[So.]	3318.0575