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1 | DCB_int_01 | 0.4784 | So tell me a little bit about | 3.0877 |
3 | | 3.4629 | your neighborhood growing up. | 4.6734 |
4 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 5.4662 | <ts> | 5.6361 |
6 | | 6.5280 | Um, | 7.3350 |
8 | | 8.3727 | this sounds like the old interview. | 9.6469 |
10 | | 10.1849 | So | 11.3954 |
12 | | 11.9546 | and- | 12.2378 |
14 | | 12.5210 | From the old interview you'd probably learn more about my neighborhood cause | 15.4912 |
16 | | 15.9301 | it was fresher in my [mind then.] | 17.3459 |
17 | DCB_int_01 | 17.0415 | [<laugh>] | 17.5582 |
18 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 17.9334 | Um, | 18.5705 |
20 | | 18.9923 | I lived- | 19.8347 |
22 | | 20.5001 | We m- we moved- my family moved to Second and T Street | 23.1830 |
24 | | 23.7989 | Northeast, uh, right across the street from McKinley Tech, | 26.3444 |
26 | | 26.7833 | when I was very young, probably about four- | 29.4237 |
28 | | 30.0184 | four years old. | 30.7475 |
30 | | 31.5657 | And, um, | 32.8541 |
32 | | 33.1018 | <ts> it was | 34.1707 |
34 | | 34.6663 | a neighborhood of | 36.0750 |
36 | | 36.2520 | working class people. Everybody in the n- pretty much everybody in the neighborhood worked. | 39.7885 |
38 | | 40.3265 | Um, | 41.0485 |
40 | | 41.4025 | single family row houses | 43.1368 |
42 | | 43.8205 | and it was a very | 46.0646 |
44 | | 46.9707 | very warm, | 48.1316 |
46 | | 48.3227 | very collective, very interactive neighborhood. | 50.9815 |
48 | | 51.2219 | Everyone knew everyone. Everyone knew | 53.6432 |
50 | | 54.2803 | everyone else's | 55.0631 |
52 | | 55.2330 | children. | 55.7710 |
54 | | 56.2311 | All the children played together. We generally played in the alley, that was our playground. | 60.7404 |
56 | | 61.3250 | Um, | 61.9692 |
58 | | 62.4223 | and on any given day, the kids would be playing in the alley. | 65.1122 |
60 | | 65.4945 | Um, the fathers would be out | 67.3209 |
62 | | 67.7639 | in the back, in the garages working on their cars, | 70.3477 |
64 | | 70.7866 | and, um, | 72.0184 |
66 | | 72.4968 | in the evenings, | 73.5035 |
68 | | 73.8276 | people would be sitting- In the warm weather, people would be sitting on their front porches. | 77.0698 |
69 | DCB_int_01 | 78.8324 | And, | 79.5657 |
71 | | 80.3302 | um, so that was the Second and T, and then | 82.2061 |
73 | | 82.3690 | how long did you stay there before you moved over to t- Tacoma [Park?] | 85.7214 |
74 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 85.4524 | [<ts>] | 85.6153 |
75 | | 86.0541 | We moved | 86.8861 |
77 | | 87.6752 | to | 88.6734 |
79 | | 89.1760 | the Tacoma Park section of DC | 91.5586 |
81 | | 93.1939 | <exhale> | 94.1070 |
83 | | 96.4926 | when I was | 98.8116 |
85 | | 101.0839 | I think in the eighth grade, so | 103.3675 |
87 | | 104.2099 | that would have been | 105.5690 |
89 | | 108.3511 | sixty six. Nineteen sixty six, | 110.5780 |
91 | | 111.7389 | um, | 112.2274 |
93 | | 112.5318 | we moved to | 113.3529 |
95 | | 113.4945 | that neighborhood. | 114.1599 |
96 | DCB_int_01 | 115.0348 | Was there any reason that you guys moved? | 116.6559 |
97 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 117.2009 | My parents wanted, um, | 119.0556 |
99 | | 120.2166 | a, uh, | 120.9811 |
101 | | 121.2542 | house with a little bit more space. | 122.6559 |
103 | | 123.1514 | They wanted a house with fewer steps. | 125.5441 |
105 | | 126.3440 | And, um, there was an opportunity, this house came on the market. I don't remember how the found it. | 131.2751 |
107 | | 131.7777 | Um, | 132.4431 |
109 | | 133.0843 | and, um, | 134.2240 |
111 | | 134.7337 | it was a- it was a split level house | 136.8574 |
113 | | 137.2609 | and fairly new at the time. It had not- it wasn't very old. | 140.2878 |
115 | | 140.8895 | And, um, | 142.0646 |
117 | | 142.4185 | they got the opportunity to buy it and they- then they did. | 144.7616 |
119 | | 145.4100 | So we moved, um, | 146.6417 |
121 | | 147.4062 | we moved- | 147.9301 |
123 | | 148.5247 | before the school year was out. | 149.8555 |
124 | DCB_int_01 | 150.8112 | Was that neighborhood just as warm and inviting as the- | 153.7460 |
126 | | 154.3123 | the Second and T Street? | 155.4025 |
127 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 155.8201 | It- it- it was actually in- in its own way. It's a little bit different because the houses were not as close together, | 161.2538 |
129 | | 161.8343 | so all the houses | 163.0165 |
131 | | 163.4454 | in the- in | 164.1320 |
133 | | 164.5001 | the immediate area were detached homes, which was different. | 167.3388 |
135 | | 168.1033 | Come in. | 168.4643 |
136 | DCB_int_01 | 173.7564 | And so you said, all the houses, they were detached, [so-] | 176.3444 |
137 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 175.9834 | [They were-] the houses were detached, so | 178.1495 |
138 | | 178.4751 | you weren't qu- | 178.9636 |
140 | | 179.1335 | quite as close to your neighbors, | 180.4148 |
142 | | 180.6767 | but we still all knew the neighbors. Um, | 183.1372 |
144 | | 183.7319 | the- I was older now so we didn't play in the alley like we used to when I was- when I was young, | 188.1745 |
146 | | 188.6417 | and, um, | 189.6328 |
148 | | 189.9513 | but I knew all the- the kids around me | 191.9476 |
150 | | 192.3086 | and | 193.1480 |
152 | | 193.3321 | knew their families. They- they- they knew us. | 195.8380 |
154 | | 196.2486 | Um, | 196.5955 |
156 | | 196.7583 | we did not go | 198.1599 |
158 | | 198.7475 | from house to house so one of the things that was special and unique about | 202.2699 |
160 | | 202.8008 | the, um, T Street neighborhood and- and being there and being there | 206.2170 |
162 | | 206.7125 | at a very young age was as kids, | 208.5035 |
164 | | 208.8432 | we would | 209.2326 |
166 | | 209.5087 | go from one person's house to the other person's house all the time to play | 213.3708 |
168 | | 213.7814 | or | 214.2911 |
170 | | 214.5813 | if my parents had to be away, one of the other neighbors would babysit and | 217.9692 |
172 | | 218.2665 | they'd just have us come over and stay there until | 220.6450 |
174 | | 220.9636 | our parents came back and | 222.4289 |
176 | | 222.8578 | we'd spend the night and- | 223.9338 |
178 | | 224.0895 | at each other's houses and that sort of thing. And so, | 226.4256 |
180 | | 226.8291 | um, | 227.2680 |
182 | | 228.3723 | when I got up t- | 229.1227 |
184 | | 229.4312 | to the Tacoma Park section of DC, | 231.3708 |
186 | | 232.0575 | I was older and we didn't do that kind of thing but the neighbors were still close and everybody was friendly and | 236.8257 |
188 | | 237.2717 | we helped out everybody, so in the winter time, | 239.8455 |
190 | | 240.2278 | everybody got out and | 241.2684 |
192 | | 241.7710 | all the fathers and sons were out cleaning off the snow and | 244.1707 |
194 | | 244.4863 | shoveling walks and | 245.5623 |
196 | | 246.0296 | moving cars and that sort of thing. | 247.5657 |
197 | DCB_int_01 | 248.5638 | Are you an only child? | 249.4274 |
198 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 249.5619 | <ts> No I have a sister. Or I had a sister. | 251.2537 |
200 | | 251.7110 | I had a sister. She passed last year. | 253.0389 |
201 | DCB_int_01 | 253.5728 | Okay. | 253.8984 |
203 | | 254.1603 | Younger or older? | 254.9324 |
204 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 254.9178 | A year younger. | 255.6506 |
205 | DCB_int_01 | 256.0929 | Okay. | 256.4397 |
207 | | 256.8120 | So did you do a lot of stuff with your younger sister [or?] | 259.7747 |
208 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 259.5090 | [No, actually. Growing] up we sort of led, | 262.4964 |
209 | DCB_int_01 | 259.9904 | [Because she was a girl.] | 260.9107 |
210 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 262.9748 | um, | 263.4632 |
212 | | 263.7747 | very separate | 264.6879 |
214 | | 265.0914 | lives in terms of our activities. | 267.0098 |
216 | | 267.3926 | Um, she | 268.5105 |
218 | | 268.7907 | went to | 269.6685 |
220 | | 270.3623 | a public high school. I went to | 272.7125 |
222 | | 273.3567 | the private high school and, so, | 275.0573 |
224 | | 275.4703 | we had different schedules and | 276.9854 |
226 | | 277.4170 | our schools were | 278.4435 |
228 | | 278.7266 | far apart. | 279.4062 |
230 | | 279.8239 | And we just had different interest and participated in a lot of different activities. So I was into sports, she was not into sports. | 285.7460 |
232 | | 286.2557 | And, so, I was gone a lot | 287.3924 |
234 | | 287.8597 | because of that. | 288.5746 |
235 | DCB_int_01 | 289.5515 | Why did y'all go to different schools? | 290.7459 |
236 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 290.8774 | <ts> | 290.9566 |
238 | | 291.5832 | I had the | 292.4397 |
240 | | 292.7412 | opportunity to | 294.1924 |
242 | | 294.6313 | go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/- I was recruited, | 295.9125 |
244 | | 296.3585 | if you will, | 296.8682 |
246 | | 297.3000 | to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. Um, | 298.5459 |
248 | | 298.9748 | we were at- | 299.3712 |
250 | | 299.5199 | we had gone to the same schools up until | 302.1745 |
252 | | 302.4576 | that time. | 303.1089 |
254 | | 303.6257 | In the ninth grade, | 304.9282 |
256 | | 305.3287 | uh, it was a time when the private schools | 308.0541 |
258 | | 308.4505 | were, um, | 309.5549 |
260 | | 309.7814 | looking to diversify. | 310.8503 |
262 | | 311.5765 | And, so, | 312.7020 |
264 | | 313.0702 | they were, um, | 314.9602 |
266 | | 315.2363 | essentially recruiting, for lack of a better term, | 317.6594 |
268 | | 318.1570 | uh, students from | 319.3038 |
270 | | 319.6294 | some of the public schools. | 320.8399 |
272 | | 321.1655 | I was recommended by, um, | 323.7181 |
274 | | 324.5109 | the counselor and principal from | 326.5780 |
276 | | 326.7620 | Gordon Junior High School, what was then Gordon [Junior High School,] | 329.5765 |
277 | DCB_int_01 | 328.9849 | [Mm-hm.] | 329.3214 |
278 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 330.0933 | to take the test for /RD-SCHOOL-2/. | 332.4859 |
280 | | 333.0735 | And I did. | 334.5176 |
282 | | 334.7412 | Initially I wasn't accepted, | 336.0366 |
284 | | 336.5534 | and, um, | 337.7073 |
286 | | 337.9338 | but they asked me to come back for a second interview and I ultimately | 340.5530 |
288 | | 340.9748 | was accepted, so I- I- I went there. | 343.1976 |
290 | | 343.5374 | My sister went to | 344.7762 |
292 | | 344.8824 | Coolidge High School, which was the high school in our | 347.2863 |
294 | | 347.7181 | neighborhood in- in Tacoma Park section of DC. | 349.8205 |
295 | DCB_int_01 | 350.0824 | Mm. | 350.3798 |
297 | | 351.1868 | So let's go back to elementary school for a minute. | 353.4213 |
298 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 353.4562 | Sure. | 353.8074 |
299 | DCB_int_01 | 353.7535 | <clears throat> So you guys- Which elementary school did you go to? | 356.3231 |
300 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 356.2453 | /RD-SCHOOL-2/. | 356.6558 |
301 | DCB_int_01 | 356.9815 | /RD-SCHOOL-2/. | 357.3425 |
302 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 357.5619 | Yes. | 357.9159 |
303 | DCB_int_01 | 358.1495 | And how was that experience? | 359.4845 |
304 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 359.5623 | It was great. | 360.1428 |
306 | | 360.3410 | I a- | 360.9357 |
308 | | 361.0631 | /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was a lot of fun. I had some | 362.6700 |
310 | | 363.2575 | fantastic teachers, great teachers, | 365.6473 |
312 | | 366.0366 | um, there. I enjoyed going to- to school there. It was- | 369.7248 |
314 | | 370.3973 | it was a lot of fun. I enjoyed elementary school, and, um, | 373.5020 |
316 | | 374.2028 | the- | 374.6488 |
318 | | 374.9248 | I went from there, | 375.9796 |
320 | | 376.5813 | um, | 377.1872 |
322 | | 377.5269 | to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Junior High School in the seventh grade. | 380.1037 |
324 | | 380.5426 | Um, | 381.1514 |
326 | | 381.9017 | I was there for just one year. My sister was still at- at | 384.3764 |
328 | | 384.7304 | Gor- at- I'm sorry, at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ in the sixth grade. | 386.6983 |
330 | | 388.1070 | That summer between | 389.7676 |
332 | | 390.0083 | my seventh and eighth grade, | 391.3675 |
334 | | 392.0895 | the | 392.6488 |
336 | | 393.3744 | DC public school system | 395.1518 |
338 | | 395.7110 | relaxed its rules about where you could go to school. | 398.0683 |
340 | | 398.9602 | And | 399.6469 |
342 | | 400.2881 | now they were allowing | 401.6968 |
344 | | 402.0366 | students from other parts of the city | 404.0966 |
346 | | 404.6275 | to go to some of the schools west of Rock Creek Park | 408.0154 |
348 | | 408.4543 | that were both under-enrolled | 410.3727 |
350 | | 410.7266 | and | 411.4558 |
352 | | 411.6540 | essentially segregated. | 412.7724 |
354 | | 413.4066 | So my- | 414.3552 |
356 | | 414.7870 | while I was away in North Carolina my mother transferred my sister and I | 417.8947 |
358 | | 418.3548 | to | 419.1164 |
360 | | 419.2933 | /RD-SCHOOL-2/ Junior High School, | 420.4543 |
362 | | 420.9215 | and so every day we rode | 422.7549 |
364 | | 422.9248 | the bus all the way across town | 424.3335 |
366 | | 424.7058 | from | 425.1447 |
368 | | 425.7110 | Northeast to far Northwest | 427.9267 |
370 | | 428.3798 | to go to school. | 429.4062 |
371 | DCB_int_01 | 430.8969 | So that's- Okay, so | 432.1924 |
373 | | 432.7870 | that's a interesting point you brought up, and I was- | 434.7408 |
375 | | 435.0452 | I was listening to your older recording, | 437.0881 |
377 | | 437.5411 | and you talked about when you first kind of interacted with white people I think it was when you- | 441.6398 |
378 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 442.0079 | [<ts> from /??/] | 442.8828 |
379 | DCB_int_01 | 442.0404 | [from- at Langley.] | 442.8898 |
380 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 443.4562 | Well, no, it was at- it was really at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. | 445.7782 |
381 | DCB_int_01 | 445.7710 | At /RD-SCHOOL-2/, [okay.] | 446.6275 |
382 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 446.5072 | [It was] at /RD-SCHOOL-2/. | 447.1797 |
383 | DCB_int_01 | 447.7318 | And- | 448.3831 |
385 | | 448.5713 | and so talk about that experience and then, and then kind of this idea of going to this | 452.7903 |
387 | | 453.2009 | desegregated school and how that was different from | 455.9588 |
389 | | 456.1782 | your segregated school and that experience because | 458.5426 |
391 | | 458.9461 | now, you know, I- I've never been to a- a segregated school, | 462.1994 |
393 | | 462.9640 | um, and so that's a very different thing for me. | 465.1372 |
394 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 465.6257 | So | 466.3335 |
396 | | 468.2773 | going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and then going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ for a year, | 471.8947 |
398 | | 472.3589 | um, | 472.9394 |
400 | | 473.2155 | the schools were | 474.4543 |
402 | | 475.3958 | all black | 475.9196 |
404 | | 476.1320 | s- in terms of students. | 477.1726 |
406 | | 477.6681 | I- There might have been one or two white students there, um, at some point. | 481.3462 |
408 | | 481.8064 | Um, but I don't remember. | 482.9390 |
410 | | 483.6398 | For- for the most part they were all black. | 485.1419 |
412 | | 485.3995 | Um, | 485.7676 |
414 | | 485.9588 | the teachers were | 486.9215 |
416 | | 487.5090 | essentially all black. | 488.4505 |
418 | | 489.3071 | But it was a very nurturing | 491.3287 |
420 | | 491.9304 | environment | 492.4968 |
422 | | 493.0277 | and, um, | 494.4364 |
424 | | 494.7479 | I had great teachers. They were | 496.3265 |
426 | | 497.4774 | accomplished in their own right, | 498.9144 |
428 | | 499.2330 | more so than | 500.1886 |
430 | | 500.8965 | I realized at the time, in terms of | 502.8574 |
432 | | 503.3429 | the experience in other things, educational experience that they had. | 506.3868 |
434 | | 506.8682 | Um, and they were well respected of course in the- in the community, as teachers were back in the- | 511.3887 |
436 | | 511.5728 | in that time. | 512.2028 |
438 | | 512.7762 | More so than now. | 513.7177 |
440 | | 514.3194 | Um, | 514.8715 |
442 | | 515.2509 | and, so, | 516.0012 |
444 | | 516.4543 | it was- it was | 517.9268 |
446 | | 518.5780 | a very | 519.6186 |
448 | | 520.4185 | encouraging and | 521.9871 |
450 | | 522.1641 | nurturing en- | 523.1834 |
452 | | 523.3321 | environment, | 524.0683 |
454 | | 524.5638 | and | 525.1726 |
456 | | 525.5973 | it was the kind of situation where | 527.6685 |
458 | | 528.0649 | the- the schools- | 529.4878 |
460 | | 529.8984 | the teachers knew all the kids | 531.5619 |
462 | | 532.3831 | and | 533.2579 |
464 | | 534.0296 | most of their parents as well. | 535.8418 |
466 | | 536.4859 | And, so, | 537.4133 |
468 | | 537.8451 | if | 538.4539 |
470 | | 538.7199 | there was anything going on, | 540.1499 |
472 | | 540.5038 | the parents were very much involved in the school. All the parents went to PTA meetings, | 544.4793 |
473 | DCB_int_01 | 544.6067 | Mm. | 544.9536 |
474 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 545.0173 | and, um, | 546.2065 |
476 | | 546.7799 | the parents not only kept track of | 549.0735 |
478 | | 549.3142 | what their own kids were doing in school, | 550.8999 |
480 | | 551.3358 | but they also wanted to know | 552.5534 |
482 | | 552.8719 | what their | 553.6789 |
484 | | 554.1037 | friends were doing in school too. | 555.3637 |
486 | | 555.6681 | So | 556.1495 |
488 | | 556.4468 | when I would go to | 557.7181 |
490 | | 558.4968 | Larry's house, who was a good friend of mine growing up, | 560.7337 |
492 | | 561.4416 | and it was about report card time | 563.1659 |
494 | | 563.3995 | then | 563.5765 |
496 | | 564.0083 | I would always get asked about my report card | 566.0400 |
498 | | 566.7974 | as well as | 567.6610 |
500 | | 567.9796 | knowing that he's been asked his. And vice versa. | 570.1357 |
502 | | 570.6029 | So | 571.1126 |
504 | | 571.9055 | everybody was kind of involved and education was a very very important | 575.6261 |
506 | | 576.3693 | thing to all of the families at that time because it was a time when | 579.5549 |
508 | | 579.9513 | people were starting to | 581.1730 |
510 | | 581.4562 | see opportunities evolve and develop, | 583.3392 |
512 | | 583.8984 | um, as black people. | 584.8328 |
514 | | 585.4062 | Um, | 585.9230 |
516 | | 586.3831 | but education- | 587.2579 |
518 | | 587.6898 | Everybody understood education was key to | 589.6435 |
520 | | 589.8559 | being able to take advantage of those opportunities. | 591.6681 |
521 | DCB_int_01 | 593.1942 | So | 593.8030 |
523 | | 594.2986 | moving from | 595.3745 |
525 | | 596.7266 | the /RD-SCHOOL-4/ | 598.0404 |
527 | | 598.4964 | is most definitely predominantly white, | 600.4410 |
528 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 600.4826 | Yes. | 600.9427 |
529 | DCB_int_01 | 601.3250 | um, and I | 602.2807 |
531 | | 602.6983 | thought something | 603.4699 |
533 | | 603.8876 | even in | 604.4256 |
535 | | 604.5642 | nineteen- what was this, nineteen sixty six? | 606.6313 |
536 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 607.3038 | [S-] | 607.9125 |
537 | DCB_int_01 | 607.3038 | [Um,] sixty | 608.4081 |
538 | | 608.5426 | [eight some-] | 608.9815 |
539 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 608.6488 | [sixty-] | 609.4912 |
540 | | 610.1495 | sixty [six was] when- Yes, when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. | 612.6596 |
541 | DCB_int_01 | 610.7624 | [Six.] | 611.0597 |
542 | | 612.9427 | And you said, | 613.7143 |
544 | | 613.8559 | I realized that we were all friends | 615.7318 |
546 | | 617.2721 | when we were at school but it was very different when we left school. | 619.9692 |
547 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 620.1178 | Sure. | 620.5992 |
548 | DCB_int_01 | 620.7054 | And that just really like- that hit me like a ton of bricks. | 623.8052 |
550 | | 624.5463 | Um, describe what it was like at school and then what did that mean to you- what- why- what made you say that statement when you left- | 631.5515 |
552 | | 631.7497 | when- when three o'clock- when the bell rang? | 633.6186 |
553 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 634.3973 | Well, | 634.7158 |
555 | | 635.1093 | I- I d- I- | 636.0296 |
557 | | 636.1924 | s- don't remember specifics but I remember vaguely | 638.8965 |
559 | | 639.3273 | that, um, | 640.4397 |
561 | | 640.8544 | there were, | 641.8172 |
563 | | 642.0791 | um- | 642.4614 |
565 | | 643.2188 | We'd get different reactions from students | 645.2859 |
567 | | 646.1212 | w- that we enc- classmates that we encountered | 648.6879 |
569 | | 649.6223 | in class, | 650.6063 |
571 | | 650.8328 | on campus, | 651.7177 |
573 | | 652.3306 | versus | 653.3854 |
575 | | 653.7747 | out of class | 654.6808 |
577 | | 655.1268 | off campus. | 656.0541 |
578 | DCB_int_01 | 656.5001 | Hm. | 656.6771 |
579 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 657.0735 | And | 657.7672 |
581 | | 658.6138 | that- that was the difference. | 660.1641 |
583 | | 660.5746 | Um, | 661.2613 |
585 | | 661.9196 | it was- | 662.9744 |
587 | | 663.9654 | DC was still, | 665.8880 |
589 | | 667.9267 | in many respects, | 669.7460 |
591 | | 672.0296 | segregated | 672.8932 |
593 | | 673.0914 | certainly by communities. | 674.6488 |
595 | | 676.0858 | So, um, | 677.5340 |
597 | | 677.7181 | my | 677.9800 |
599 | | 678.6525 | best friend | 679.2471 |
601 | | 680.8540 | was the first student to graduate from /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School, | 683.2146 |
603 | | 683.5977 | first black student, | 684.3607 |
605 | | 684.9640 | to ever graduate from /RD-SCHOOL-2/ High School. | 686.4856 |
607 | | 687.6327 | So | 688.3548 |
609 | | 688.8615 | that sort of gives you an idea of | 690.9144 |
611 | | 691.8772 | that wasn't that l- | 692.7972 |
613 | | 692.9956 | I mean it was | 693.4628 |
615 | | 693.8876 | a lot of years ago, but | 694.8857 |
617 | | 695.2650 | relatively speaking, when we talk about | 697.3675 |
619 | | 697.7356 | segregation, people think | 699.4770 |
621 | | 700.1495 | beyond that, | 700.8715 |
623 | | 701.2296 | and actually it was not that- | 703.3533 |
625 | | 703.9338 | not that long ago. | 704.9036 |
627 | | 705.2717 | Um, | 705.9938 |
629 | | 706.3689 | and | 706.9919 |
631 | | 707.2933 | it was mostly because it was sort of de facto segregation in that, | 711.3708 |
633 | | 711.7885 | um, | 712.4468 |
635 | | 713.1093 | there were very few people who l- | 714.2419 |
637 | | 714.7162 | black people and people of color who lived west of Rock Creek Park. | 717.5053 |
639 | | 718.1353 | Um, | 718.7937 |
641 | | 719.1234 | most, | 720.0366 |
643 | | 720.6242 | um, people of color, black people in particular, | 722.7691 |
645 | | 723.1514 | lived East of Rock Creek Park, | 724.7526 |
647 | | 725.3075 | um, and then certain other neighborhoods | 727.2400 |
649 | | 727.5798 | over time were initially all black and | 729.7743 |
651 | | 731.0456 | grew and changed and became- | 732.5251 |
653 | | 732.9710 | I'm sorry, all white- and then grew and | 734.7691 |
655 | | 735.3142 | changed and became, | 736.2486 |
657 | | 736.5076 | um, | 736.9111 |
659 | | 737.3429 | all black, and | 738.2490 |
661 | | 738.7870 | so it- it- | 739.3958 |
663 | | 739.6435 | it- it just changed over time. | 741.1160 |
665 | | 741.6681 | But it was an interesting | 743.0739 |
667 | | 743.2509 | dynamic to see that happen. | 744.9073 |
669 | | 745.5515 | And to- and to be part of that, and | 747.1726 |
671 | | 747.5761 | some places were more welcoming than others. | 749.8597 |
673 | | 750.2915 | /RD-SCHOOL-2/, | 751.0985 |
675 | | 751.2896 | because of the | 752.2169 |
677 | | 753.0098 | Quaker philosophy and | 754.4654 |
679 | | 755.0173 | sort of the- | 755.7163 |
681 | | 755.9588 | the underlying theme of the school | 757.5303 |
683 | | 758.0824 | was probably more welcoming | 760.0997 |
685 | | 760.7766 | for black students than | 762.3614 |
687 | | 762.6525 | some of the other private schools | 764.3444 |
689 | | 764.6983 | that were also taking in and re- recruiting and taking in black students at the time. | 768.2986 |
691 | | 768.6737 | And we probably, percentage wise, probably had a larger number of black students | 771.9867 |
693 | | 772.4085 | than some of our, um, | 773.7959 |
695 | | 774.4331 | competing private schools at the time. | 776.4364 |
696 | DCB_int_01 | 777.8380 | Did you ever talk to your sister about her | 779.7110 |
698 | | 780.0508 | high s- I mean I'm sure you did- but about her high school, and did you kind of see her high school experience | 784.4014 |
700 | | 784.7058 | as very different from your high school experience? | 786.7870 |
701 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 787.0418 | Um, | 787.4524 |
703 | | 787.7427 | I knew her high school experience was- was different than mine. | 790.9215 |
705 | | 791.1942 | We never really talked about and compared the two. | 793.3179 |
707 | | 793.7143 | And that's interesting, you should ask. I- Now that I think about it, we- we- we never did. | 797.1376 |
709 | | 797.5907 | I knew a lot of the people that she went to high school with, um, | 800.4435 |
711 | | 800.8045 | particularly the guys because I played ball | 803.4066 |
713 | | 803.9234 | with them on the weekends and during the summer and that sort of stuff. | 806.6700 |
715 | | 807.1868 | Um, | 807.8876 |
717 | | 808.1353 | <ts> and s- knew a lot of her friends that she went to school with, | 810.6216 |
719 | | 811.0418 | when they came by the house and that s- um, | 813.0806 |
721 | | 813.4628 | but | 813.7814 |
723 | | 814.1070 | th- the day to day kinds of things that went on at the school, | 817.1905 |
725 | | 817.4949 | I- I really didn't | 818.9461 |
727 | | 819.1230 | talk to her that much. | 820.2061 |
729 | | 820.4793 | But I don't think | 821.5694 |
731 | | 822.2419 | it was that different | 823.7356 |
733 | | 824.6983 | than the experience I had | 826.1495 |
735 | | 826.6421 | in | 827.1447 |
737 | | 827.6685 | public junior high school. | 829.0172 |
738 | DCB_int_01 | 829.2188 | Hm. | 829.4687 |
739 | DCB_se3_ag4_m_02 | 829.9621 | And, um, | 831.1372 |
741 | | 831.5832 | <ts> and then as I, | 832.4114 |
743 | | 832.9252 | uh, there were a lot of the people that I went to junior high school with | 835.9975 |
745 | | 836.5426 | who went on to go to what was then Western | 839.8313 |
747 | | 840.2136 | High School, | 840.8719 |
749 | | 841.2542 | which is now Duke Ellington. | 842.4930 |
751 | | 843.1372 | Um, | 843.6044 |
753 | | 843.8380 | some went to Wilson, | 844.8474 |
755 | | 845.2155 | and some- some went to Roosevelt, | 846.7233 |
757 | | 847.0772 | but I s- | 847.6577 |
759 | | 847.8559 | I would kind of keep in touch with some of them, or see them, | 850.1778 |
761 | | 850.6138 | and so you had a sense of what was going on in the | 853.1622 |
763 | | 853.6152 | DC public schools | 854.8470 |
765 | | 855.2222 | as- as well. | 856.1141 |
767 | | 856.4014 | So I didn't really | 857.1659 |
769 | | 857.6685 | get into | 858.8082 |
771 | | 859.4453 | the sort of daily routines of what was going on, but some of the- | 862.1353 |
773 | | 862.4114 | some of the social activities I certainly knew about. <laugh> | 866.4081 |