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1DCB_int_010.6430Hm.0.9692
3 1.2643Let me ask you, um, cause I-3.0971 
5 3.2679I don't want to keep you too much longer.5.1395 
7 5.2715Um, I want to be mindful of your time. But,7.7225 
9 8.3671um, one of the things that you said- This was10.1532 
11 10.4251probably maybe thirty minutes ago,12.0653 
13 12.2136um, when we were talking about the riots, we were talking about,15.0505 
15 15.8271um, U Street and other parts of the city that were drastic- that changed drastically because of the- because of the riots.21.9513 
17 22.3163So before that,23.1473 
19 23.4269I want you to talk about- a little bit about U Street25.4274 
21 26.0331and- and other areas that you remember28.0523 
23 28.6105and then we're gonna talk about29.6157 
25 29.9767kind of the resurgence of those areas now and how DC has changed cause I want to get into that a [little bit.]34.8653 
26DCB_se3_ag4_m_0234.5538[Okay.]34.9290
27 35.7077So-36.6209
28DCB_int_0136.7808When you would have-37.2338
30 37.4533you didn't have to twenty five miles [for your date.]39.2230 
31DCB_se3_ag4_m_0238.7133[I didn't have to] drive [twenty five miles for a date. So,]40.8441
32DCB_int_0139.5415[Mm-mm. Mm-hm.]40.2919
34 40.5397[<laugh>]41.2546 
35DCB_se3_ag4_m_0241.3480um,41.9454
37 43.3117my- my memory of, um, U Street and some of the areas there,47.2263 
39 47.6581I was48.1324 
41 48.3489a teenager49.1772 
43 49.4533and, um,50.6708 
45 51.0885just starting to g-52.2777 
47 52.4972gain my independence. I d- g-54.1749 
49 54.3843got my driver's license and55.7223 
51 56.7558got to drive the family car and got to go out and- and do some things and so61.3825 
53 62.6991there were-63.6123 
55 63.9663there were great64.9149 
57 66.4197s-66.6392 
59 66.9436places that were just fun,68.7133 
61 69.3716um,70.0441 
63 70.2140lively,70.8865 
65 71.4529and safe.72.1820 
67 72.8091Um,73.6019 
69 74.0054so you could go to,75.5769 
71 76.1928um, U Street and there were-78.5713 
73 79.7576there were three- I don't- I know there was The Republic-82.4122 
75 83.0777There was a Howard Theater down-84.6321 
77 84.7808Well before they had great shows86.3523 
79 86.7204til they closed,87.6477 
81 87.9875and I think they closed around the time of the riots.90.1607 
83 91.0993Um,91.8568 
85 92.6638<ts>92.7983 
87 93.1876you had the Republic Theater, and then there was-95.9059 
89 96.8091there was one or two more along U Street, so99.3433 
91 99.8247you know you wanna go to the movies, there were g- great102.4227 
93 102.8607fun theater- nice- nice, very nice theaters to-105.7822 
95 106.1716to go to to see the movies.107.8634 
97 108.2852There were108.9082 
99 109.1984restaurants along that area.110.9894 
101 111.5557You had, um-113.2476 
103 115.2834you had a jazz club117.0106 
105 118.9786on U Street.119.8972 
107 121.2055Um,122.1045 
109 123.1734<ts> and there were other th-123.9998 
111 124.1532there are other things going on but I didn't- I was too young, just kind of-127.2763 
113 127.8001know all about them and128.9115 
115 129.0389too young probably to be in some of [them.]130.7096 
116DCB_int_01130.4760[<laugh>]130.9502
117DCB_se3_ag4_m_02131.0918Uh, <laugh>132.1041
119 132.4622but, um,133.5594 
121 134.0337<ts> I just remembered being very lively,136.5680 
123 137.0210um, very entertaining and a lot of- a lot of fun.140.7841 
125 141.3221Um,141.9380 
127 144.3731it was also about the time that146.0196 
129 147.7044w-147.9026 
131 148.1220more of a- more people were venturing149.7643 
133 149.9950uh- to Georgetown.150.9719 
135 151.5240So,152.5293 
137 152.6921um,153.3929 
139 154.2777you had the, um-155.7289 
141 156.1295the Cellar Door over in Georgetown I remember which was a great jazz spot.159.4637 
143 160.0441Um,160.7166 
145 161.2122I think Blues Alley came along a little bit later,163.2745 
147 163.8143and you had a couple of other restaurants, uh- r- uh-166.1574 
149 166.6600the clubs and restaurants over there that were kind of nice.168.7500 
151 169.2267Um,169.6656 
153 169.9983but,170.4569 
155 170.8336you know, U- Georgetown was one of those places-172.8724 
157 173.0989One of the things you could do in DC back then is you could find a place to park.175.8381 
159 176.3735[So (laughing)]178.2424 
160DCB_int_01177.7610[/Hoo./]178.1220
161DCB_se3_ag4_m_02178.6742so179.0564
163 179.3184you could drive to these places,181.1984 
165 181.5524and182.1824 
167 182.6284always find a place on the street to park and- and it was- it was easy. It w- And you weren't187.3046 
169 188.0196a long distance away189.4070 
171 189.5486from189.8813 
173 190.0371wherever it was that you were trying to go.191.5590 
175 192.4197So I- I- I remember that being a lot of fun and195.3716 
177 195.5769easy to do and,196.5043 
179 196.9856there were nice places to go and,198.8303 
181 199.0498um,199.5878 
183 200.3240it-200.6284 
185 201.0106good events to attend.202.3556 
187 202.7025Come downtown and you had the Warner Theater and,205.7647 
189 206.1824um,206.8266 
191 207.1522the National Theater sometimes would have things that were of interest and,210.5118 
193 211.0710um,211.6869 
195 212.0691you had-212.8690 
197 213.4920This was a little bit later.214.5892 
199 214.9927This is probably when I was in college and l- and after.217.8851 
201 218.2461You had a lot of these, um,220.0583 
203 220.9573small221.8210 
205 222.3873sort of neighborhood theaters.223.9983 
207 224.9823So they were doing, uh- and226.7877 
209 226.9856They were the ones that were putting on a lot of the black plays.229.2480 
211 229.9134Um,230.6213 
213 231.1168<ts> and, um,232.3273 
215 232.9078they were great.233.4670 
217 234.2174I mean some of th- some of the- the- the performances237.2017 
219 237.5769were just outstanding238.7591 
221 239.1060and, you know,240.0758 
223 240.9223culturally relevant.242.0125 
225 242.5293Um,243.2230 
227 244.3556<ts>244.4618 
229 244.9219so that- that was a lot of fun. I enjoyed-246.8940 
231 247.2621I enjoyed that when it-248.3240 
233 248.5576But that was more,249.5345 
235 250.1008uh, of the time that I was in college and after college when I come on the weekends and stuff.255.0602 
237 255.5840Or the summer.256.1716 
238DCB_int_01256.7591And so that was like the257.9323
240 258.0214[seventies?]259.0639 
241DCB_se3_ag4_m_02258.6958[Seventies, yeah.259.7010
242DCB_int_01259.6939Mm-hm.260.1399
243DCB_se3_ag4_m_02260.2178Yeah.260.4655
244DCB_int_01260.3948So that was when-261.1593
245 261.3929so that's interesting because that's when the city itself was kind of264.1749
246DCB_se3_ag4_m_02264.4693[Changing.]265.1470
247DCB_int_01264.6109[going down]265.4957
248DCB_se3_ag4_m_02265.5807Well265.9134
249DCB_int_01265.9983and then re-266.6496
250DCB_se3_ag4_m_02266.7629re- it was sort of267.7468
252 267.9592coming- [coming] back.269.5166 
253DCB_int_01268.4689[Back.]268.9361
254DCB_se3_ag4_m_02269.8776Yeah, it was sort of- it was sort of coming- coming back.272.7841
255DCB_int_01273.3292And was that like-274.0725
257 274.2211was that-274.6671 
259 274.9927was that kind of,276.1041 
261 276.2569um, revival, was that very278.6921 
263 278.8266s- local? Was it very neighborhood centric as opposed to the kind of the city itself was-283.2480 
264DCB_se3_ag4_m_02283.3471I think so. And I hadn't thought about it but now that you mention it, I think it was286.8936
266 287.2546sort of, um,288.3631 
268 289.1489more locally focused, neighborhood focused.291.3175 
270 291.7185Um,292.2565 
272 292.5609there was-293.6511 
274 294.1578I- I- I- I also now in thinking about it think that it was a time298.1220 
276 298.6034where there was a lot of black entrepreneurship.300.9436 
278 302.0479So302.8124 
280 303.3575you h- you had-304.6317 
282 305.1626<cough>306.0121 
284 306.9506Excuse me.307.4037 
286 307.9559<clears throat>308.6071 
288 314.8478Yeah I'm okay [now.]315.6112 
289DCB_int_01315.4495[Okay.]315.8742
290DCB_se3_ag4_m_02316.1149Um,316.5609
292 316.9786you had, um, a lot of small neighborhood businesses, um,320.4160 
294 320.8832like, these c- in these community theaters and323.0918 
295DCB_int_01323.0847Mm-hm.323.4812
296DCB_se3_ag4_m_02323.5661theater groups.324.1254
298 324.4622And so it was an opportunity for people who had an interest and wanted to do something,327.7893 
300 328.2636um,328.9149 
302 329.0777on their own to sort of venture out there and try330.9790 
304 331.2904and there was-332.0550 
306 332.1895there was332.6991 
308 332.9115community support and334.1857 
310 334.7591other r- resources available to help them336.9436 
312 337.5311do that kind of thing and so339.1310 
314 339.6052I- I- I think that there was a l- there was a lot of342.1041 
316 342.5259that kind of entrepreneurship.343.7929