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1DCB_int_010.3970Are you into professional basketball? Like, NBA?3.1839
2DCB_se3_ag4_m_024.8232I watch it during the playoffs,6.3948
4 6.6213but6.8761 
6 7.0672not like- I used to watch it regularly. I don't-9.2122 
8 9.3750I don't watch it like I used to.11.2267 
10 11.6798Um,12.3523 
12 12.8620<ts>12.9894 
14 13.9875part of the difference is is that the-15.8422 
16 16.0799the- the change in-17.1772 
18 17.9134in college basketball I think has affected,20.9478 
20 21.4711um,21.9242 
22 22.2428how certainly I view professional [basketball.]24.8620 
23DCB_int_0124.6388[Mm.]24.9207
24DCB_se3_ag4_m_0225.3929So,26.0300
26 26.8228um,27.2900 
28 27.9525in college29.0356 
30 29.5594and29.9134 
32 30.2319after college,31.4070 
34 32.0229um,32.3839 
36 33.7785because34.4581 
38 35.0568you sort of follow people's careers37.3504 
40 37.9663in college because they were in college for four years,40.0546 
42 40.9931um,41.3895 
44 41.5948you felt like you sort of had a connection with them and you knew them,43.8176 
46 44.3344And when they went- Then,45.5874 
48 46.0375graduated college or f- completed their college years and went to the pros,49.9946 
50 51.3608you felt like you had a connection and you f-52.9931 
52 53.2196followed them through their54.6142 
54 54.9611pro career.55.6690 
56 56.0158And that for me was some of the attraction to watching59.5240 
58 60.1470the60.3806 
60 60.7275pro61.2796 
62 61.8176basketball because62.9219 
64 63.3750there were people that I64.4793 
66 64.8586felt like I knew, certainly knew of,66.5646 
68 67.0743uh,67.5840 
70 67.7256had watched them in college,69.2192 
72 69.5024and69.9767 
74 70.3489who I'm now interested in watching them progress and play in the pros and I would follow74.8795 
76 75.5661pro basketball more closely because of that.77.6798 
78 79.3009I don't know who these80.2353 
80 81.4316pro players are anymore because83.0639 
82 83.4391you don't-83.8992 
84 84.2673They're- they're one and done in college,86.3131 
86 86.7096and then they're in the pros and you hear their name and you go,90.6779 
88 91.2442well who was that and where did they come from?92.8936 
90 94.6533And so, I- I- I don't97.4354 
92 97.8530follow98.5963 
94 99.5236it like I-100.4085 
96 100.6038like I used to and101.6939 
98 102.2815I-102.6071 
100 102.9894I'd sort of know the- the- the names were household names.106.5188 
102 107.0851Um,107.6444 
104 107.9771but108.3169 
106 108.5859when you start109.1947 
108 109.3362going past some of them and you ask me about so and so,111.9484 
110 112.4622I don't know who that is,113.4745 
112 113.6444and who they play for or- or115.2230 
114 115.9946any of that.116.5751 
116 117.0847So I don't- I don't follow it as- as much as I used to, and119.8992 
118 120.2815even with college now, I mean, I- I'll- I'll follow123.5520 
120 124.0050the- the, um,125.1418 
122 125.3541March Madness.126.2036 
123DCB_int_01126.6213Mm-hm.127.0248
124DCB_se3_ag4_m_02127.0743But i- during the season- the season is still so long,129.4529
126 129.8746there's so many games, it's hard to keep up [with them.]131.7810 
127DCB_int_01131.5665[It's a lot] of teams.132.4372
128DCB_se3_ag4_m_02132.4301And133.0956
129 133.2301there are- there are a lot of teams and there are a lot of players, and,136.2245
131 136.8537you know, they- they-137.7527 
133 137.9275they come and go so quickly, you just can't keep up with them and141.1201 
135 141.4882so you don't have the opportunity to sort of143.1276 
137 143.9559become a fan of either a particular player or a particular team,148.5289 
139 149.1984um, in the way that we used to-151.2513 
141 151.9946used to do that.152.6954 
142DCB_int_01153.6269Yeah, I'm- I don't- I don't do college anymore. I- I mean I'm a Hoya so157.9592
144 158.5892of course I'll always prefer Georgetown even in our situation161.7152 
145DCB_se3_ag4_m_02161.6727[Yes.]162.2107
146DCB_int_01161.9063[right now.]162.5788
147DCB_se3_ag4_m_02162.6708Yes.163.0885
148DCB_int_01163.1239Um,163.7751
150 163.9309but I do follow the NBA,165.7926 
152 166.2386so I, you know- I was really excited when I was listening you knew all about basketball. I was like, yeah, [okay.]171.3821 
153DCB_se3_ag4_m_02171.1980[<laugh>]173.5453
154DCB_int_01172.0445[And then you were like, no.]172.7383
156 172.9506[Mm-mm.]173.2904 
157 173.5948I don't really follow basketball.174.7629
159 174.9469So no.175.3009 
161 175.7822Um, do you still hate musicals?177.4104 
162DCB_se3_ag4_m_02178.9860I'm not a fan of musicals. I've never really sort of been a fan of musicals. [Every now and then,]184.4203
163DCB_int_01183.2688[No, you said /?/, you were like], [I hate, I hate musicals.]185.7081
164DCB_se3_ag4_m_02184.5983[I- I hate- I know I-] I- [I listened to] that and I'm like- and I was thinking to myself, did I really say that like that? Oh I guess-190.8303
165DCB_int_01186.1117[I hate musicals.]186.9080
166DCB_se3_ag4_m_02191.2904I guess I did.192.0432
168 192.2744And I- and I don't think that I've become-194.0158 
170 194.1999I'm- I'm more tolerant of them. And then some of them I- I've actually come to enjoy.197.4603 
172 197.8284So I w- I don't say that I hate them.199.4424 
174 199.7681I'm- I'm probably more selective about which ones I- I find interesting and I'm interested in seeing.204.2603 
176 204.6991But I- I- I do not hate musicals.206.8991 
177DCB_int_01206.9927Which- which one-207.8634
179 208.1507Tell- tell me which one that you may-209.4886 
181 209.7860that you may enjoy.210.6142 
182DCB_se3_ag4_m_02210.9611[Um-]211.5140
183DCB_int_01211.0460[Tell me one you] have enjoyed.212.2919
184DCB_se3_ag4_m_02212.8087I think it was Fela.213.7968
186 215.6939Fela?216.2603 
188 216.4797[Uh-]216.8690 
189DCB_int_01216.4797[Fela?]216.8478
190DCB_se3_ag4_m_02217.3646Wasn't it called Fela? What was that musical called?219.7431
192 222.2886I thought it was Fela. I can't remember the [name of it.]224.4264 
193DCB_int_01223.8601[Where were you?]224.3839
194DCB_se3_ag4_m_02225.0635Over here at the-226.0192
196 226.2569here in-226.7949 
198 227.0144it was playing-227.6515 
200 228.5576it was playing around the country but it was playing at the theater right up here, seventh and-231.4953 
202 231.7685across from the Verizon Center.232.9506 
203DCB_int_01233.3825Oh, um, <ts>234.5151
205 234.6850uh, Shakespeare.235.7681 
206DCB_se3_ag4_m_02235.9734No, it was- it's at the theater but it's-237.5378
208 237.8564it was not a [Shakespeare]238.8940 
209DCB_int_01238.6533[It-] it wasn't [Shakespeare.]239.7329
210DCB_se3_ag4_m_02239.5453[No.]240.0949
211 240.2390No, it wasn't a Shakespeare play. It was- I thought it was called Fela.243.1343
212DCB_int_01243.6410No but I'm saying it was at the [Shakespeare Theater.]245.2126
213DCB_se3_ag4_m_02244.6816[It was actually] at [the Shakespeare Theater. Yeah,] yeah.247.1805
214DCB_int_01245.5240[Yeah yeah yes. Yes yes. Okay.]246.8336
215DCB_se3_ag4_m_02247.5132That was one I really enjoyed.248.7450
217 249.1839Um, and there- there have been a few ones I can't remember. I haven't been to the theater in awhile.252.5576 
219 252.9611But there were a few others that I've- I've really enjoyed, and so255.2830 
221 255.5844from time to time I- I-257.0781 
223 257.9205I-258.3027 
225 258.9328[/you know/.]259.1664 
226DCB_int_01258.9328[Do you like] go go music?260.1291
227DCB_se3_ag4_m_02261.7502<exhale>262.7241
229 263.3258There's- there- from time to time I do like go go music. From time to time,266.9290 
231 267.4245and some of them- I certainly enjoyed Chuck Brown.269.2975 
233 270.0196And- and- and- and Rare Essence and272.3627 
235 272.7804some of the traditional kind of go go music cause it was-275.3046 
237 275.7930I mean I- I-276.4160 
239 277.0177I was sort of-277.8459 
241 278.2140I was grown then, I wasn't part of the-280.1466 
243 280.5401the go go crowds I was sort of past that282.5859 
245 282.9823but it was, you know- it was- it was284.9786 
247 285.3113DC music.285.9909 
249 287.4886You know? And so,288.9540 
251 289.5345um,290.1149 
253 290.7945some of it I like.291.5236 
254DCB_int_01291.8463How were you introduced to go go?293.1630
255DCB_se3_ag4_m_02294.4372<ts>294.5646
257 295.0035Gosh, on the radio.296.1432 
259 298.0099On the radio.298.6533 
260DCB_int_01301.2938Were you-301.6690
262 302.0725so but you were still- you were304.0404 
264 304.5188<ts> [high school?]305.9488 
265DCB_se3_ag4_m_02304.7949[I was-]305.1701
267 305.9275No, go go came after I was out of high school.308.1362 
268 308.3769We didn't have go go then.309.3396
270 310.1507I was-310.5967 
271DCB_int_01310.5967You were [gone] and [came back?]311.8166
272DCB_se3_ag4_m_02310.7524[I-]310.8940
274 311.3258[I was g- gone] and came- I had gone and come back, yeah.313.7893 
275 314.1786[Yeah, go go-]314.7450
276DCB_int_01314.1928[Seventies.]314.9007
277 315.0989Late [seventies.]315.8739
278DCB_se3_ag4_m_02315.2830[S- late s- late] seventies, [right.]316.7949
279DCB_int_01316.6816[Mm-hm.]317.0356
280DCB_se3_ag4_m_02317.0568That's right.317.3825
281DCB_int_01317.3966I- I was a decade off.318.4372
282DCB_se3_ag4_m_02318.6567Yeah.318.9681
284 319.5274Yeah.319.7397 
285DCB_int_01320.2919So you-320.9219
287 321.4175you weren't in the thick of it. [You weren't like], <sound effect>.324.1328 
288DCB_se3_ag4_m_02322.9223[No I was not.]323.7223
289 324.2178No, no I was [not.]325.4000
290DCB_int_01325.0531[<clears throat>]325.7327
291 325.9167So you more so like it because it's a DC thing as opposed to, I like it because I like it.329.8666
292DCB_se3_ag4_m_02330.0196I'm n- Both. I mean, I- I like it because- I like some of it because I like it,334.0404
294 334.4834and then, you know,335.7223 
296 335.8921th- that that I like is usually338.0654 
298 338.3415more traditional339.6369 
300 340.1507and- and more340.9506 
302 341.2904characteristic of342.3806 
304 342.8266wh- how it started here in DC and what it was all about.345.1697 
305DCB_int_01346.2923You said Rare Essence.347.1747
306DCB_se3_ag4_m_02347.5807Yeah.347.8426
307DCB_int_01348.2461[Why do you like them?]348.9044
308DCB_se3_ag4_m_02348.2603[They w- they were-]348.9044
309 349.2655they were- they were local, and they were, you know- they were a part of that351.6015
311 351.8605original352.8799 
313 353.4320development of- of- of go go. They were part of one of the original groups.357.4113 
314DCB_int_01357.5095What makes go go distinctive from359.2692
316 360.0550hip hop or361.3716 
317DCB_se3_ag4_m_02361.5982[<exhale>]362.3273
318DCB_int_01361.6690[pop or-]362.6034
319DCB_se3_ag4_m_02362.4406[I-] I don't- I don't know cause I'm not that-364.0687
320 364.3985[I'm- I'm-] I'm not that in tune to all of that.366.9257
321DCB_int_01364.4268[In-]364.6675
322DCB_se3_ag4_m_02367.2867Um,367.8530
324 368.2282I just remember that it was369.7997 
326 370.3914very370.8374 
328 371.2550distinctive372.2107 
330 372.3452certainly when it first came out.373.8035 
332 374.3981Um,374.9856 
334 375.4316and376.2781 
336 376.5896when people talked about go go, you knew that379.8813 
338 380.0512there was that DC connection,382.0162 
340 382.5330which, um,383.5382 
342 384.0904you know, there's a- there's a element of pride there, you know.387.7643 
344 388.2032It's- it's a- we- we own that.390.3310 
345DCB_int_01390.5505Are you a proud Washingtonian?391.8459
346DCB_se3_ag4_m_02391.9238I am.392.4760
348 393.3184[I am.]393.8103 
349DCB_int_01393.4316[Why?]393.8776
350DCB_se3_ag4_m_02394.9909W- W- Washington is a-396.6638
352 397.9734<ts>398.0866 
354 399.0423If you step away from400.7737 
356 401.2409the world view of DC,402.8761 
358 403.7893the404.3131 
360 404.9078nation's capital,406.0162 
362 406.6038the407.2338 
364 408.1682political center of-410.1362 
366 410.2990of the- of the world,411.8564 
368 412.2286in some ways.413.0214 
370 413.3329And you-413.8921 
372 414.0550you look at415.0319 
374 415.6123the city416.3698 
376 417.1980and417.9767 
378 418.1820what it was like,419.2338 
380 419.5382what it meant420.1258 
382 420.7275for black people,421.7964 
384 424.0375it's special.424.9294 
386 425.8851You-426.2319 
388 426.4231if you- if you live and work here in DC,428.5538 
390 429.5236and430.1408 
392 430.3560you430.8940 
394 431.5524leave and go some place else,433.3221 
396 433.6760and- and I'm sure this has happened to you,435.6015 
398 435.9808and you- you go to another city,438.1045 
400 438.5222and you look around and the first thing you say is440.6246 
402 441.0069where are all the black people and where are all the black professionals?443.8992 
404 444.3098We- we've-445.0885 
406 445.7256DC is just so unique in that way, and we take it for granted449.2904 
408 449.6798until you go away450.8549 
410 451.1168and you look around452.2707 
412 452.7025and you see what's missing.454.4227 
414 454.9011I mean455.2692 
416 455.5453this is an incredible- it's been an incredible place458.3344 
418 458.6812for, um,460.1109 
420 460.6533the- the-461.0781 
422 461.5099professional growth and development for all sorts of people,464.4122 
424 464.8016but especially for black people.466.2923 
426 466.6179We've got a huge black- Well, had and it's- it's-469.1664 
428 469.4000to some degree still have470.9078 
430 471.2051a huge black middle class473.0214 
432 473.8143here.474.2532 
434 474.5434There have been all kinds of opportunities. People have been able to succeed in life and478.4905 
436 478.7949do all kinds of things480.0479 
438 480.4797in- in large part because the government was willing to483.7502 
440 484.0516hire black people and give people an opportunity and,487.0885 
442 487.5203you know.487.9875 
444 488.2353We- we488.8087 
446 489.5944had a strong city government at the- at- for a long time493.0602 
448 493.4991and, um,494.9149 
450 495.4882there was a- there was a place where, uh, you could find your niche in-499.5840 
452 499.8955in politics and-501.0706 
454 501.4216and have an impact and503.0568 
456 503.4037just do all kinds of-504.9540 
458 505.3009all kinds of things506.4285 
460 506.8228and so508.1678 
462 508.6109absolutely I'm a proud Washingtonian.510.6691 
464 514.6604Now what I can say to you is I worry about my city.518.0441 
465DCB_int_01519.9979Why?520.2811
466DCB_se3_ag4_m_02520.8940Because it is changing522.5505
468 522.8974and I'm not so sure524.2848 
470 524.6459that all the changes526.3873 
472 526.6179are for the-527.3258 
474 527.7223for the best.528.6354 
475DCB_int_01529.3292What does that mean?530.0374
476DCB_se3_ag4_m_02530.5892That means that531.9201
478 533.2904DC534.1682 
480 534.5151used to be535.5769 
482 536.0512a warm536.9927 
484 537.3679and friendly538.3448 
486 538.6109city.539.1276 
488 540.0762You walk down the street,541.2655 
490 541.8672everybody speaks.542.9078 
492 544.1855You greet everybody. You make contact. You say hello.546.5859 
494 547.7964You548.4830 
496 549.1768are polite,549.8393 
498 550.3277you're courteous.551.3966 
500 551.8355Um,552.5080 
502 552.8832it-553.0885 
504 553.3646there w-553.6902 
506 553.9875there was-554.8795 
508 555.2830DC is south of the Mason Dixon Line,557.2267 
510 557.8072and558.5080 
512 559.4212there was a culture.560.9573 
514 562.1395Some of the best563.2480 
516 563.4816parts of564.5434 
518 564.9611the Southern culture566.2777 
520 567.3785had manifested themselves and become a part of the culture in DC.570.8407 
522 572.3415We've lost that.573.1485 
524 573.3962We're losing that. It's become cold.575.6231 
526 575.9983People are rude. People are callous. People are indifferent.579.3254 
528 579.7077Um, people don't speak.581.0639 
530 581.3754You- you- you- you know all your- you used to- you grow up and you know all your neighbors.585.7643 
532 586.9011And587.5948 
534 587.9134everybody helped out and590.0512 
536 590.3202there was just a warmth and- and sense of camaraderie593.7860 
538 594.1187and pride and unity596.2353 
540 596.8724that597.1909 
542 597.3750I remember598.2457 
544 598.7595growing up here599.6444 
546 600.3381that I think is601.4566 
548 602.4901being602.9240 
550 603.0989eroded603.7006 
552 604.5188not so slowly.605.4249 
554 606.3452Um,607.1026 
556 608.0583you know, you had609.0352 
558 609.6764people here who611.0002 
560 611.8851couldn't wait to get here612.9894 
562 613.9238because614.8936 
564 615.7148th- they616.4439 
566 617.3754recognizably that there was opportunity619.5699 
568 619.9734and if they worked hard, they could-621.5166 
570 621.9555they could succeed623.0214 
572 623.3825and- and do well and grow and develop and626.3131 
574 626.7945there were all kinds of opportunities here and629.0498 
576 629.7152all of that. And630.6354 
578 631.1239I don't think that there's that sense of-633.1485 
580 633.9738of hope634.6109 
582 634.8799that sense of, um,637.0531 
584 639.4033<ts>639.5449 
586 641.2904being able to be part of something.643.2584 
588 643.9592I think th- the- the view of the city is a lot more transient.647.1276 
590 647.4886There- people here are a lot more transient.649.4637 
592 649.9238Um,650.7237 
594 651.1272there- there651.9767 
596 652.1820there are people here who653.9629 
598 655.0319don't come in with a- an understanding or appreciation658.1012 
600 658.5047of the, um-659.9063 
602 660.6000what was661.2088 
604 661.4424sort of the culture of the city.662.9219 
606 663.9667And I- I think that's-666.0408 
608 667.0460t- to lose that668.1079 
610 668.3981is, um,669.4316 
612 671.4603to lose some of what was the best part of the city.673.8247