LineSpeakerSt TimeContentEn Time
1DTA_int_020.7322Um,1.0533
3 1.1910what kind of games do the kids play around here?3.0471 
4DTA_se1_ag3_f_014.2307Uh, horseshoe,5.5267
6 5.6835baseball,6.6985 
8 9.8453and I guess just regular games.11.7552 
9DTA_int_0213.5855How do they play horseshoes?14.3706
10DTA_se1_ag3_f_0115.1209In the backyard,16.2368
11DTA_int_0216.3408Mm-hm.16.5733
12DTA_se1_ag3_f_0116.9495with horseshoes.17.9037
13DTA_int_0218.3564Regular, um.19.0992
14DTA_se1_ag3_f_0119.2154Regular horseshoes. They get them from the recreation center.22.1451
15DTA_int_0222.3408Mm-hm.22.5488
16DTA_se1_ag3_f_0122.8608They loan them to, uh,24.1851
18 24.6194the boys and- for a couple of days and they have to return them.27.1697 
19DTA_int_0227.3136Mm-hm.27.5414
21 28.0961How do you, uh-28.7935 
23 28.9158how do you keep score in it?29.8242 
24DTA_se1_ag3_f_0130.7536Oh, I'm not sure. I never play with ['em.]32.7673
25DTA_int_0232.6162[Mm-hm.]32.8383
26 34.2338What did you play when you were a-35.3257
28 35.8609a girl?36.1759 
29DTA_se1_ag3_f_0139.2153It's been so long [ago.]40.6286
30DTA_int_0240.5335[<laugh>]40.9311
31 41.0994[/Wonder what/ /inaudible/.]41.7477
32DTA_se1_ag3_f_0141.4021[At /unintelligible/] fourteen or fifteen I can't [remember]44.4847
33DTA_int_0244.2247[Yeah.]44.4205
34DTA_se1_ag3_f_0144.6774[too much] of it.45.4481
35DTA_int_0244.7080Mm-hm.44.8823
36 45.6098Mm-hm.45.8178
37DTA_se1_ag3_f_0146.2246Swimming. Uh, yeah, we- I was raised in Highland Park High, so49.7928
39 50.5612swimming and51.4377 
41 52.8118the usual.53.5061 
42DTA_int_0253.7477Mm-hm.53.9985
43DTA_se1_ag3_f_0154.1392I imagine.55.1756
44DTA_int_0255.3255Mm-hm.55.5885
46 57.1281Do you- uh,57.6832 
48 58.2429do you watch television at all?59.1911 
49DTA_se1_ag3_f_0159.6651[Yes.]60.1300
50DTA_int_0260.1117[What are] your favorite programs?61.0942
51DTA_se1_ag3_f_0162.0443Mm,63.0505
53 63.7107I watch the serials in the morning.65.8395 
54DTA_int_0266.0658Mm-hm.66.3472
55DTA_se1_ag3_f_0166.4940FBI, or67.9586
57 68.3929the movies. [Most of-] mostly the movies.70.8546 
58DTA_int_0269.3009[Mm-hm.]69.4925
59 70.9464Hm.71.1655
61 71.5856Have you seen any good movies lately that you can, uh, remember?74.1115 
63 76.3806You can tell me about.77.0810 
64DTA_se1_ag3_f_0179.6834Um,80.2400
66 81.5028no I can't.82.6252 
68 82.9953Right through here, I can't even remember.84.9248 
69DTA_int_0285.1298Yeah.85.4050
71 86.6437Uh,86.9618 
73 87.5154yeah, uh, what I'm- what I'm trying to do on this is, uh,90.0046 
75 90.7536just get you to describe something and talk about93.4294 
77 93.5731um, [/you know, explain/] about anything, about95.6376 
78DTA_se1_ag3_f_0193.8606[About it.]94.5212
79DTA_int_0295.7538something. Describe a story or97.3033
81 97.6711a book you've read or98.7924 
83 99.1239a movie you've seen or a TV100.7032 
85 101.2645series. What- what, uh?102.8545 
86DTA_se1_ag3_f_01103.6986Well it was a interesting one on Perry Mason.106.2980
87DTA_int_02106.5121What happened?106.9923
88DTA_se1_ag3_f_01108.7230Uh,109.3744
90 110.6682the nurse was keeping,111.9982 
92 112.1603uh,112.6925 
94 112.8240an ill woman and the husband fell in love with her.115.9892 
96 117.0750And then she117.9615 
98 118.3133died, suddenly, and they found out that120.6985 
100 121.5212the wife was poisoned.123.0536 
102 123.2738And they thought the husband had did it125.1459 
103DTA_int_02125.3379Mm-hm.125.6101
104DTA_se1_ag3_f_01125.9190to get to the nurse.127.0205
106 127.6711But then they found out that the nurse was ill herself.130.9959 
108 131.7383That she started nursing at an early age because her sister who raised her136.0772 
110 136.8730was sick. And she was ill for about five years and she died.141.0046 
111DTA_int_02141.0046Mm-hm.141.3013
112DTA_se1_ag3_f_01141.9829And, um,142.8210
114 143.0748<ts> she made up her mind then she was gonna help the ones that were sick.146.3684 
115DTA_int_02146.5489Mm-hm.146.7936
116DTA_se1_ag3_f_01147.3345And they checked back and the last three- three cases she had nursed, she had poisoned 'em. When they become so ill, she would, uh,153.7383
118 155.3807like a mercy killing.156.6989 
119DTA_int_02156.8239Hm.156.9768
120DTA_se1_ag3_f_01157.7224Then they had the husband in jail159.5643
122 160.4325and the-160.9219 
124 161.1024the poison that she had used was just163.0528 
126 163.9678<ts>164.1146 
128 164.4296a regular, uh,165.4175 
130 165.9952f- garden167.0473 
132 167.1758poison forms.168.4420 
134 169.4784And things.170.2277 
136 170.3776And, uh,170.8517 
138 171.7077they found out that she had did this.173.4877 
139DTA_int_02173.6590Mm-hm.173.8884
140DTA_se1_ag3_f_01174.8025And that was rather interesting.176.1176
141DTA_int_02176.6376U- uh,176.9569
142DTA_se1_ag3_f_01177.1575[In this-]177.6591
143DTA_int_02177.2860[I wonder-]177.5371
144 177.7658I wonder if this is real-178.6069
146 178.7690true life, I wonder if this kind of thing [really happens.]180.5091 
147DTA_se1_ag3_f_01180.1270[this-] might.181.0497
148 181.1970But I don't know, because she was like an upright [citizen. A nurse] and185.1176
149DTA_int_02184.1132[Mm-hm.]184.3729
150DTA_se1_ag3_f_01185.3868highly respected.186.5735
151DTA_int_02186.6954And yet she [really.]187.3387
152DTA_se1_ag3_f_01187.2888[And] they had her on the [stand.]189.1392
153DTA_int_02189.0474[Mm-hm.]189.2615
154DTA_se1_ag3_f_01189.5460And how they detected it190.9341
156 191.5244is the lawyer was on the case, he had sprung- uh, hurt his leg or back or something, but he was on crutches.197.0289 
158 197.7599And they went to court.198.9095 
160 199.6130And, uh, he200.5249 
162 201.4664drove her home, and she doctored on him.203.9404 
163DTA_int_02203.9771Mm-hm.204.2368
164DTA_se1_ag3_f_01204.4787And left some eggnog for him.206.6651
165DTA_int_02206.6926Mm-hm.206.9373
166DTA_se1_ag3_f_01206.9434And in this eggnog, she had some208.8087
168 209.1023[poisoning.]209.7722 
169DTA_int_02209.7324[Mm-hm.]209.9281
170DTA_se1_ag3_f_01210.3961When she was talking to him, rubbing his back, and he was just paying attention to what she was saying.214.6466
171DTA_int_02214.8454Mm-hm.215.1085
172DTA_se1_ag3_f_01215.8303Uh, about uh,217.1481
174 218.0870her work218.7385 
176 219.1698and how they- usually her patient like-221.2644 
178 221.3776patients liked her because she would give 'em little223.5243 
180 223.7934special treats and [things. Do] little extras for 'em.226.9494 
181DTA_int_02225.5119[Mm-hm.]225.7586
182DTA_se1_ag3_f_01227.7416And they228.2279
184 228.3716traced back and she had been feeding this woman230.6529 
186 231.0780this poisoning in this eggnog she'd give 'em every-233.6946 
188 233.9006her every evening.234.7208 
190 235.7292You see,236.1971 
192 236.5428and he was ill and she was so far gone, I suppose,239.6039 
194 239.9709that she had fixed him some eggnog the way241.9647 
196 242.2553that she fixed it for the other two- [three patients]244.5059 
197DTA_int_02243.7168[Hm.]243.8422
199 244.0533[Mm-hm.]244.3580 
200DTA_se1_ag3_f_01244.7047with pois- poison.246.0138
202 246.4328Mm-hm.246.8636 
204 247.4570<ts> And on the stand, she trapped herself.249.5528 
205DTA_int_02250.1052And that was it.250.6422
206DTA_se1_ag3_f_01251.0228Mm-hm.251.4479
207DTA_int_02252.0841Um,252.4909
209 254.3990what do you think about mercy killings? Do you think there should be a place for this in our-257.8150 
211 258.6098in our258.9958 
213 259.1328country?259.5181 
214DTA_se1_ag3_f_01260.0075<ts> I don't think so because, uh,261.9126
216 263.0320I think before I264.3135 
218 264.6403felt like265.1786 
220 265.7628rather than see someone suffer,267.5826 
221DTA_int_02267.7688Mm-hm.268.0196
222DTA_se1_ag3_f_01268.6925that268.9341
224 269.2002maybe it would be better.270.3747 
226 271.0012But, uh,271.6160 
228 271.9157nothing's for sure. You never know. [And there was] a letter-275.0259 
229DTA_int_02273.9370[/unintelligible/]274.5616
230 275.1665[Mm-hm.]275.3915
231DTA_se1_ag3_f_01275.3439[there] was a lady that was ill for277.2796
232 277.7965a period of time, and she had cancer.279.6709
233DTA_int_02279.7382Mm-hm.279.9707
234DTA_se1_ag3_f_01280.3224And, uh,281.0136
236 281.4418her family had been sitting up with her for two or three nights, expecting her to live- to die.286.2867 
237DTA_int_02286.2857Mm-hm.286.5672
238DTA_se1_ag3_f_01286.9586And all of sudden she got better. And she lived three years after that.290.2124
239DTA_int_02291.0627And she was so close to going.292.2399
240DTA_se1_ag3_f_01292.4784Mm-hm. And the- and then these-293.6838
242 293.7966those- these three years, she was out in the street working and doing anything anyone else was doing. She was a little thin,298.9983 
243DTA_int_02299.1023Mm-hm.299.3623
244DTA_se1_ag3_f_01300.2493and she finally died from a heart attack.302.3500
246 303.1544So you see, you can't304.2367 
248 304.4019say for sure. That's.306.1164 
249DTA_int_02307.5609Uh-huh, yeah and even-308.4479
251 308.6406even,309.0749 
253 309.5333some people are suffering so much they wanna-311.1604 
255 311.3259they wanna-311.8027 
256DTA_se1_ag3_f_01311.8608Die. You hate to see them suffer, [though.] It's harder, I think, on the family316.2031
257DTA_int_02313.8729[mm-hm.]314.1665
258DTA_se1_ag3_f_01317.0014than on the person that's going through these changes, because I imagine that they're so doped they don't really feel it.322.2367
259DTA_int_02323.6987Yeah.323.9220
260DTA_se1_ag3_f_01324.4052But, we don't have that right.325.9310
261DTA_int_02326.1788No, I- I326.9250
262DTA_se1_ag3_f_01327.0657I don't think we have [that right.]328.4111
263DTA_int_02327.8300[don't think so.]328.3190
264 329.3347I guess the laws are pretty-330.5673
266 330.7718pretty strong on that too.331.7506 
267DTA_se1_ag3_f_01332.2583They should be.333.0504
269 334.1725Because our- can you imagine if they didn't- if they weren't strict.337.3744 
271 338.5855How, uh,339.2187 
273 339.9510even with what's going on and everything, I imagine there would one or [two or three like] that, so.345.2431 
274DTA_int_02343.6162[/unintelligible/]344.6486
275DTA_se1_ag3_f_01345.8422We346.0930
277 346.2245couldn't allow that347.0793 
278DTA_int_02347.3623Right.347.6375
280 350.4968Do you have any, uh,351.3960 
282 351.8208animals here? Any pets?352.8821 
283DTA_se1_ag3_f_01353.2522Oh, yes. We have a dog.354.7867
284DTA_int_02354.9156What kind of a dog? What's it like?356.1145
285DTA_se1_ag3_f_01356.5060German Shepherd.357.5520
287 358.1633<ts>358.3040 
289 358.8393And, uh,359.6070 
291 360.0076most people say he vicious,361.6863 
293 362.3072but I feed him out of my hand.364.0585 
295 365.3439And365.9893 
297 366.2187he's a wonderful dog.367.3315 
298DTA_int_02367.4753Mm-hm.367.7169
299DTA_se1_ag3_f_01368.1665He's a wonderful watch dog.369.6587
300DTA_int_02369.6709Mm-hm.369.9217
301DTA_se1_ag3_f_01370.8484And there's no men here, my brother stay here sometime.374.1084
303 374.7507And375.2095 
305 375.7994without him in the backyard, I think I would be afraid. But at night,379.5197 
307 380.0625if anyone's around the house, you know it.381.9920 
308DTA_int_02382.8668And he- he, uh- he watches out for you?384.7443
309DTA_se1_ag3_f_01385.0685Mm-hm. Yes he [does.]386.3531
310DTA_int_02386.1753[<ts> Well] it's good to have a dog that's, uh,387.7504
311 388.5456vicious like that.389.3133
312DTA_se1_ag3_f_01389.5005Mm-hm. <ts> And, uh,390.8942
314 391.5701people, you know, I guess392.8822 
316 393.3410they have different opinions about the dog, but he's really-396.2401 
318 397.5181he really comes in handy.398.9373 
319DTA_int_02399.0107[Mm-hm.]399.2762
320DTA_se1_ag3_f_01399.2217[You] know, because I feel /safeter/ myself with [him] out there in the back.402.7015
321DTA_int_02401.3775[Mm-hm.]401.6895
322DTA_se1_ag3_f_01402.8361With- especially in the summer404.2216
324 404.5702with the screen and the windows open.406.4845 
325DTA_int_02406.5823Mm-hm.406.8912
326DTA_se1_ag3_f_01407.2185[You know,] you never know.408.3471
327DTA_int_02407.2674[Yeah.]407.4234
328 410.6773Anything can happen these days.411.9064
329DTA_se1_ag3_f_01412.1480Mm-hm.412.6139
330DTA_int_02415.5212How do people talk about getting a wish?417.4817
332 418.0196Um,418.3988 
334 420.0015I'm thinking along the lines of, uh,421.5487 
336 421.8025this is one of the silly questions, along the lines of a wishbone of a chicken. How does that work?425.6314 
338 427.1572What do children do on-428.0442 
340 428.1910with the wishbone of a chicken?429.3433 
341DTA_se1_ag3_f_01430.0379Oh, usually what do they do- close their eyes and make a wish, and the [one] with the longest end of the bone wish is supposed to come true.437.5060
342DTA_int_02433.5762[Mm-hm.]433.8345
343 437.6497Mm-hm.437.8914
344DTA_se1_ag3_f_01438.3471I don't believe in that, but this is what they [do.] (laughing)440.6926
345DTA_int_02440.1470[/unintelligible/-]440.6167
346 440.8638r- /are there u/- are there any other things that the442.7720
348 443.0595children talk about how you can get a wish?444.5789 
350 445.8025You know.446.1451 
352 446.3133uh,446.5458 
353DTA_se1_ag3_f_01447.7718[No, not] at our [house.]449.6283
354DTA_int_02447.8250[/??/]448.2826
356 449.3531[Mm-hm.]449.5794 
357DTA_se1_ag3_f_01453.0198We were taught- my mother's very religious, so we were always taught to pray for something.456.6344
358DTA_int_02456.7320Mm-hm.456.9676
359DTA_se1_ag3_f_01457.2826If you really wanted it.458.4265
361 459.4052And whether you got it or not,460.8209 
363 462.5306this is the way you would-463.5456 
365 463.7169that your chances were better if you would pray.465.9186 
366DTA_int_02466.1419Mm-hm.466.3927
367DTA_se1_ag3_f_01467.0319So I think467.9214
369 468.7504with my children when they want something that I can't, say you better pray for it.472.8973 
370DTA_int_02472.9096Mm-hm.473.1665
371DTA_se1_ag3_f_01473.6620You know,473.9464
373 474.2247and usually maybe a little job or something.476.3011 
375 477.2584It comes about in strange ways, but this is usually what happen.480.4480 
376DTA_int_02481.1174What church does your mother belong to?482.5610
377DTA_se1_ag3_f_01482.5610<ts>482.6711
378 482.8852Uh,483.1666
380 483.5489Church of God in Christ,484.7722 
382 484.8963Caniff and Dequindre.485.9250 
383DTA_int_02486.1330Mm-hm.486.3777
385 489.1758Um,489.5705 
387 490.6771do you remember back in school what subjects you studied and,493.0193 
389 493.5823uh,493.8464 
391 495.3501the courses you took?496.1663 
392DTA_se1_ag3_f_01497.2307No, I can't.498.2951
394 501.3004It would be such a job for me to try and figure that far back.504.4592 
395DTA_int_02505.0929Well how about the kids, what are they studying in school?506.9529
396DTA_se1_ag3_f_01510.2156Oh, well I imagine t- to a point they have to su- study certain subjects.514.2245
397DTA_int_02514.7169Mm-hm.514.9955
398DTA_se1_ag3_f_01515.1328When the older ones, let's see-516.6831
400 517.2092I've got three to graduate, three out of four.519.8697 
401DTA_int_02519.9981Mm-hm.520.2703
402DTA_se1_ag3_f_01520.9585And so they would take typing,522.8666
404 523.9738short hand,524.9171 
406 527.6375and, oh I suppose general math.530.2510 
408 531.1636That's about it I guess.532.0528 
409DTA_int_02532.3223Mm-hm.532.5356
411 533.8638What types of things are in a classroom? The furniture and536.5151 
413 536.7476things on the walls. What- what would be in the classroom?538.6496 
414DTA_se1_ag3_f_01539.8577I imagine would, uh,541.2459
416 542.1389well different classes would have different things, like, uh,545.0932 
417DTA_int_02545.5060How [about just /?/-]546.1572
418DTA_se1_ag3_f_01545.7048[science] would have a-547.2795
419 547.6710a globe, or548.8149
421 549.7687desk550.3129 
423 551.0625for the teacher.551.8057 
424DTA_int_02553.0990How about just a regular classroom where you have554.9158
426 555.2645rows of-555.8054 
428 555.9216uh,556.1541 
430 556.4018uh, all the kids sit in rows and what- what's in here?558.7616 
431DTA_se1_ag3_f_01559.9116Well dictionary, books.561.7075
432DTA_int_02563.4478Mm-hm.563.8004
433DTA_se1_ag3_f_01565.3284Mm, someone else is in the house.566.8341
434DTA_int_02568.9921What do the kids sit at?569.8164
435DTA_se1_ag3_f_01571.2520At the desks.572.2307
436DTA_int_02573.8391And what do they write, uh,575.3133
438 575.4601on the-575.7965 
440 576.1631/when they w/-576.5760 
442 576.7778what's on the wall that they can write on?578.1481 
443DTA_se1_ag3_f_01578.9861A blackboard.579.9889
444DTA_int_02586.6373You tell me if you want me to shut this [whenever.]588.0654
445DTA_se1_ag3_f_01587.7904[Mm-hm.]588.0647
446DTA_int_02589.9585You can talk, that's [okay. /inaudible/.]591.2671
447DTA_se1_ag3_f_01590.7122[Yeah, they're going] to- uh, my daughter's friend, they probably have a record.593.9433
448 594.4510She's got a bag, she's got a record. She's going to basement to play it.597.3746
449DTA_int_02597.5489[Oh, that's nice.]598.1875
450DTA_se1_ag3_f_01597.6219[<laugh>]597.9920
451 598.8784It's what they're doing.599.7078
452DTA_int_02599.9892Now you can- you can talk, y- I mean, [just- just] feel free it won't hurt [to-]602.6583
453DTA_se1_ag3_f_01601.1266[Mm-hm.]601.4313
455 602.5029[<ts> Oh, I understand then.]603.4816 
456DTA_int_02602.9006[to get any kind of talking.]603.8500
457DTA_se1_ag3_f_01603.6892[Yes,] but that is one of my daughter's friends.605.9444
458 606.5561She606.8176
460 608.0869just have a record and she's going to the basement to play it. With he record she-611.4608 
462 611.9036excuse- /RD-NAME-2/ just walked out.613.5884 
464 615.4113/RD-NAME-2/, she just walked out a few minutes ago.617.5852 
466 622.0011She might be down at your house.623.5793 
468 623.8301She just walked out.624.7656 
470 626.4172[Um.]626.7781 
471DTA_int_02628.4660/You never/.628.8075
473 629.6680Um,629.9158 
475 630.3236you walk outside the classroom and what's- what's-632.4351 
477 632.6589you walk into a?633.5340 
478DTA_se1_ag3_f_01633.7289<ts> Hall.634.4385
479DTA_int_02634.5639What would be in the hall?635.4071
481 635.8454[/?/.]636.2199 
482DTA_se1_ag3_f_01636.0809[Well]636.5764
483 637.4905pupils going up and down the hall. <laugh>639.8543
484DTA_int_02640.1449Would there be some place they'd hang their coats, [or?]642.5077
485DTA_se1_ag3_f_01642.2522[Oh] there would be lockers643.7597
486 644.0196for that.644.7641
488 645.6464Wouldn't be just in the hall, they would have lockers.648.1390 
489DTA_int_02649.1112Some place to get something to drink?650.6481
490DTA_se1_ag3_f_01651.2675Uh, there's a fountain.653.1149
492 653.4845Water.654.0656 
493DTA_int_02655.5150And [how about if they're going upstairs] or downstairs, what would they?658.1021
494DTA_se1_ag3_f_01655.7413[In the hall.]656.4364
495 658.5517It would be a stairway for upstairs and other classroom.662.0930
496DTA_int_02664.0868What's outside the- uh,665.2765
498 665.7078the school building?666.5917 
500 667.2275For the kids?667.7229 
501DTA_se1_ag3_f_01668.9678Usually in the back there's a playground.670.9952
503 671.6191[Or] to the side.672.8299 
504DTA_int_02671.6374[What-]671.8210
505 673.5639what types of things do they have on the playground for the kids to- uh,675.9553
507 676.2580to use?676.7021 
508DTA_se1_ag3_f_01677.8271Well in the678.8054
510 679.6740intermediate, it would be swings681.7931 
512 683.1205and a slide.684.3164 
514 684.5428More than likely.685.3590 
516 686.0349And high school would just have a-688.1541 
518 688.9584the playground /cause you/ and, uh-691.0042 
520 691.3676for the boys.692.2154 
522 695.0135Something to put the basketball.696.7626 
523DTA_int_02696.8237[Mm-hm.]697.1418
524DTA_se1_ag3_f_01697.1235[You] know.697.5333
525 698.5182Like that, cause they usually play ball or basketball701.2092
527 701.7598in high school.702.6192 
528DTA_int_02703.6801What would you call one of these things that goes like this, uh?705.8390
529DTA_se1_ag3_f_01706.5914Seesaw.707.2582
531 707.6925Teeter totter or seesaw. [/And uh/.]709.5027 
532DTA_int_02709.1326[Yeah.]709.3532
533 709.7841You know.710.0869
535 710.5640And how about, um,711.5275 
537 712.1540these bars that the kids climb on, what do you call that?714.2522 
538DTA_se1_ag3_f_01714.7626Well I think they call 'em monkey [bars, didn't they?]717.2522
539DTA_int_02716.6374[Yes, that's what everybody] calls them.717.7901
540 718.6159What do the kids do after school when- when school is out during the year?721.2775
542 721.9008When they come home?722.5199 
543DTA_se1_ag3_f_01723.5856Well y-723.9614
545 724.3895my children when they come home change clothes, and727.2274 
547 728.0013empty the garbage or trash,730.0042 
549 730.9493check their beds,732.2797 
551 734.2673and then they go to the park and play.736.6159 
553 736.7994Or take their bikes out and ride.738.7289 
555 738.9216One son rides a bike, the other741.0870 
557 741.8818goes and play ball.743.1067 
559 744.1513Or whatever they're playing at the playground.746.0869 
561 746.9157And the one that rides the bike like to swim,749.0716 
563 749.2001[he don't] play ball.750.2000 
564DTA_int_02749.2001[Mm-hm.]749.4555
565 750.3684Mm-hm.750.5886
567 752.8454Where does he swim?753.4041 
568DTA_se1_ag3_f_01754.0286At Pershing High.754.8855
569DTA_int_02756.9032Did you ever have a teacher,758.2245
571 758.4692uh,758.8607 
573 759.0566who hollered a lot?759.7136 
574DTA_se1_ag3_f_01761.7445Yes.762.3917
575DTA_int_02763.0806What about?763.5883
576DTA_se1_ag3_f_01765.2338Oh most anything. If you were late, if you wasn't paying attention.769.1029
578 771.7018Any number of things. Anything she was displeased with she'd holler.775.1938 
579DTA_int_02776.3163Were you ever yelled at?777.0992
580DTA_se1_ag3_f_01779.2887<ts> Sometime, yes.780.4510
581DTA_int_02781.8605Was it your fault?782.5824
582DTA_se1_ag3_f_01784.3987More than likely.785.3530
583DTA_int_02785.3836[<laugh>]786.3109
584DTA_se1_ag3_f_01785.7659[<laugh>]786.2828
585DTA_int_02786.6280[/unintelligible/.787.4923
586DTA_se1_ag3_f_01786.7289[When I look up on it] now, more than [likely.]788.6649
587DTA_int_02788.6313[Yeah.]788.8156
588 793.4782Can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had?795.0931
589DTA_se1_ag3_f_01797.2520No, I can't remember any.798.9929
590DTA_int_02800.4417Alright,800.8364
592 801.0656do you801.4047 
594 801.5607remember having a teacher you just couldn't stand at all?803.5854 
595DTA_se1_ag3_f_01805.8483Yes, I can remember a teacher that seemed that we clashed all the [time.]809.8967
596DTA_int_02809.7781[Mm-hm.]810.0350
597 810.3684What was there- about? I mean, what would happen?812.2276
598DTA_se1_ag3_f_01813.0595Um,813.6952
600 814.7229<ts> then shortly after this I think I would start skipping her class.818.6710 
601DTA_int_02818.6710Mm-hm.818.9341
602DTA_se1_ag3_f_01819.8390Cause, uh, it was hard for me to get math. I can remember this.823.5792
604 824.8056And it seemed to me that826.6281 
606 827.2123her patience was more or less short with me.829.4782 
608 829.9737And this was embarrassing.831.4597 
609DTA_int_02831.5087Mm-hm.831.7771
610DTA_se1_ag3_f_01832.4813So rather than to go and ask her,834.4938
612 835.8850I would find some excuse to get sick.837.7411 
614 838.1305This is before I got, uh.839.5915 
615DTA_int_02841.6734Mm-hm.841.8955
617 842.0838That took care of that.843.0075 
618DTA_se1_ag3_f_01843.4964Mm-hm.844.1173
620 844.2488<ts> I realize now it was my mistake, I was hurting myself. But as a child847.9859 
622 848.5793all you know that if, uh,849.9246 
624 851.7444rather than to them to be embarrassed,853.8024 
626 854.1908you know, if she didn't have patience so, uh,856.1968 
628 857.1022/or not/. Then that was just that.858.5397 
629DTA_int_02859.6036Did the kids ever play tricks on the teachers?861.3625
630DTA_se1_ag3_f_01863.5487I can r-864.0778
632 864.2124can't remember, uh, playing tricks, but I866.6221 
634 867.1084recall when she would go out the room that she- they would do mostly all the things that she said don't do. Like making noise or playing, horsing around.874.7229 
635DTA_int_02878.7903Do you remember, uh,879.9766
637 881.0318who the smarter kids were in the class?882.5745 
638DTA_se1_ag3_f_01883.1754Hm, <ts> /RD-NAME-3/ was one.885.0258
639DTA_int_02885.9888[What did he] do that was- uh, was so good?887.9830
640DTA_se1_ag3_f_01886.0378[<ts> /?/]886.4537
641 888.8481Oh, math889.6831
643 890.3071and891.1065 
645 892.0194I was poor in math.893.1603 
646DTA_int_02893.2765[Mm-hm.]893.5395
647DTA_se1_ag3_f_01893.5120[That's] why I think math sticks out.895.0194
648DTA_int_02895.1815Mm-hm.895.4660
649DTA_se1_ag3_f_01896.0287And, uh,896.7383
651 897.3042if we had a test he was real, you know, [quick.]900.0533 
652DTA_int_02899.8821[Mkay.]900.3257
653DTA_se1_ag3_f_01900.5331Mm-hm.900.9124
655 902.0257And, uh,902.6160 
657 902.7505I can remember that.904.0439 
658DTA_int_02905.2887Did the smarter kids have any special rewards or favors, or anything like that?908.3508
659DTA_se1_ag3_f_01908.7200Not that I can recall.910.1265
660DTA_int_02911.9983[Mm-hm.]912.1951
661DTA_se1_ag3_f_01912.0350[I don't] remember913.0317
662 913.3100that.913.8440
663DTA_int_02914.8454How about the dumber kids, uh,916.2519
665 916.4629did the teachers treat them any differently from the smarter ones?918.9093 
666DTA_se1_ag3_f_01920.3223It might have been because I was slow and I felt they did.923.0930
667DTA_int_02923.2214Mm-hm.923.4967
668DTA_se1_ag3_f_01924.0656[They wanted to] treat you s-925.1968
669DTA_int_02924.0656[What would they do?]924.5937
670DTA_se1_ag3_f_01926.3132uh, as I said927.4754
672 927.8237felt as if they didn't wanna be bothered.929.7781 
674 929.9188[It might] have been my imagination.931.7768 
675DTA_int_02929.9555[Mm-hm.]930.2521
676 931.8146[Mm-hm.]932.0729
677DTA_se1_ag3_f_01931.9553[You] know, I'm not saying this was the case.933.8420
678DTA_int_02933.8940Mm-hm.934.1295
679DTA_se1_ag3_f_01934.6036But to me, uh,935.8943
681 936.6192I didn't feel warm, I didn't feel like I could come and ask her. There were certain things she felt like you should know.941.8576 
682DTA_int_02942.0013Mm-hm.942.2888
683DTA_se1_ag3_f_01942.5182And if you didn't,943.4615
684DTA_int_02943.7443Mm-hm.943.9997
685DTA_se1_ag3_f_01944.0501it was like, uh, oh, if you know this, then I don't wanna be so bothered.947.5854
686DTA_int_02947.6313Mm-hm.947.8954
687DTA_se1_ag3_f_01948.2277And then I would draw back.949.6923
688DTA_int_02950.0593Mm-hm.950.2979
689DTA_se1_ag3_f_01950.4967As a child, and just wouldn't say anything.952.4782
691 952.9156And I can recall this /RD-NAME-3/, a lot of times I would come to him and asked him to explain different things.958.8789 
693 959.2612Cause he was an A student.960.8359 
694DTA_int_02961.1662Mm-hm.961.3987
695DTA_se1_ag3_f_01961.5210And he would962.1908
696DTA_int_02962.3040[He helped out.]962.8668
697DTA_se1_ag3_f_01962.3866[sometime,] he w-963.1634
698 963.4418help me out sometime, and I knew that I wouldn't hear anything else about it, asking him.968.2245
700 968.8239And there were tests or something that I really wanted to get a try and felt like I should have973.2763 
702 974.0991known the answers, and I didn't.975.6589 
704 975.9307And I would maybe come to him, and he'd help.978.1879 
705DTA_int_02984.4265What984.7074
707 984.8481time would you say it was the, um,986.5395 
709 986.8912the-987.1279 
711 987.3334the long hand988.3297 
713 988.7351was989.2634 
715 989.6037in the nine over here.990.5335 
717 994.8636Quarter?995.3070 
718DTA_se1_ag3_f_01997.3925It's a /?/.997.8905
719DTA_int_02998.0532If the-998.5451
721 998.8882if the s- the long one,1000.1410 
723 1000.3528the minute hand were1001.1572 
725 1001.4783over here at, uh-1002.3775 
726DTA_se1_ag3_f_011003.1570Nine.1003.7782
727DTA_int_021004.5120at /the/1004.9249
729 1005.1909nine, and-1006.0592 
730DTA_se1_ag3_f_011006.7198Where would the small one be?1007.8423
731DTA_int_021008.1053the small one. Well1009.0664
733 1009.4873almost on the three.1010.5497 
735 1011.0778Say it was?1011.6883 
736DTA_se1_ag3_f_011011.7380Quarter to three.1012.6647
737DTA_int_021012.8268Okay.1013.1358
739 1013.3835Fine, that's what I wanted1014.2276 
740DTA_se1_ag3_f_011014.6830[Mm-hm.]1015.0777
741DTA_int_021014.7751[to know if-]1015.3057
742 1015.4900uh.1015.7443
744 1019.6832Was there a bunch of kids that you- you always used to hang around with?1022.2932 
746 1022.4557When we were in- uh,1023.4876 
748 1024.6831in school?1025.1518 
749DTA_se1_ag3_f_011026.8787Three or four.1027.7993
750DTA_int_021028.8606Were-1029.3286
752 1029.5029were they, uh,1030.3895 
754 1031.0318all about your age?1031.8932 
756 1032.7166All about the same age?1033.5046 
757DTA_se1_ag3_f_011034.0042Some older.1034.7872
758DTA_int_021035.0808Mm-hm.1035.3592
760 1037.5089Do you still have anything to do with any of1038.9001 
762 1039.6311these?1039.9002 
763DTA_se1_ag3_f_011040.0990No.1040.6505
765 1041.7839Oh.1042.0074 
766DTA_int_021043.4171Did any of the kids speak any other language besides, uh,1046.3762
768 1047.0166English? Would they speak s- Polish or Spanish or anything like that?1049.6724 
769DTA_se1_ag3_f_011050.7992<ts> Oh yes, you would have friends that would speak, uh,1053.2671
770DTA_int_021053.2919In their [home, I mean.]1054.1448
771DTA_se1_ag3_f_011053.4903[Polish.]1054.1234
772 1054.2763Yeah, at home and sometime at school. You'd ask, how would you say this, and they would say.1058.5395
773DTA_int_021058.8300In Polish?1059.3880
774DTA_se1_ag3_f_011059.4478Yeah, in Polish or1060.7289
775DTA_int_021061.3804What else [did they-]1061.9554
776DTA_se1_ag3_f_011061.6801[Jewish or-] um,1063.2641
777DTA_int_021062.2744[Jewish.]1062.7533
778DTA_se1_ag3_f_011063.4047cause in Highland Park it was mixed.1065.1573
779DTA_int_021065.2460Mm-hm.1065.5174
780DTA_se1_ag3_f_011066.0163You see, so, uh,1066.9675
782 1067.6985it wasn't- wasn't anything unusual for, uh,1070.2759 
784 1070.5456half of the group to be,1071.7166 
786 1071.9276you know, colored or white or [whatever. If] you were just1074.1328 
787DTA_int_021073.3774[Mm-hm.]1073.6587
788DTA_se1_ag3_f_011074.3024friends, you were friends. And so [a lot of times-]1076.3770
789DTA_int_021075.6800[Just didn't make any] difference [then.]1076.8360
790DTA_se1_ag3_f_011076.7291[no.] I was never raised where it made any [difference.]1079.2428
791DTA_int_021078.7473[Yeah.]1079.0226
792DTA_se1_ag3_f_011079.3773And1079.6985
794 1080.1175if something, uh,1081.4659 
796 1082.9034you'd want to know how would you say this1084.9021 
798 1085.4049in, uh,1086.0594 
800 1086.4539[you know.]1086.9062 
801DTA_int_021086.4566[Hm.]1086.6932
802 1087.0744In Polish.1087.5363
803DTA_se1_ag3_f_011087.5730Polish or whatever.1088.5731
805 1088.8147They would tell [us.]1089.7167 
806DTA_int_021089.6126[Mm-hm.]1089.8767
807DTA_se1_ag3_f_011090.5301They try and, uh, teach it to you. And never- we never said it right, but [you would try. <laugh>]1095.3224
808DTA_int_021093.8972[Yeah.]1094.1149
810 1094.2519[/inaudible/.]1094.9279 
812 1095.2179[Yeah.]1095.4570 
813 1096.5668Um,1096.8972
815 1097.4538how about now? Do you- do you have1099.1947 
817 1099.3589white friends and, uh, has this continued, or-1101.7655 
819 1101.9612or?1102.4256 
820DTA_se1_ag3_f_011102.8574Mm, <ts> yes.1103.6373
821DTA_int_021104.1267[Yeah.]1104.4505
822DTA_se1_ag3_f_011104.2884[Yeah s-]1105.1968
823DTA_int_021104.6860[Split up] after school?1105.7595
824DTA_se1_ag3_f_011106.4324no. I-1107.6099
826 1108.7534my closest neighbors is a mixed couple.1111.2946 
828 1111.5577[And I feel] more relaxed around them. He's white and she's colored.1114.8115 
829DTA_int_021111.5974[Mm-hm.]1111.8849
830 1114.9614Mm-hm.1115.2152
831DTA_se1_ag3_f_011115.8086And, um,1116.8144
833 1117.2732we go for rides and I think1119.1003 
835 1119.6890they appreciate it cause I never pay any attention to them.1122.5090 
836DTA_int_021122.5916[Mm-hm.]1122.8909
837DTA_se1_ag3_f_011122.7166[They're] just1123.3833
838 1123.6035people.1124.1571
839DTA_int_021124.5180Do they have trouble because of this?1126.1417
840DTA_se1_ag3_f_011126.2365Yes, they do.1127.1624
842 1127.7352And, uh,1128.4570 
844 1129.1876I think they like to talk to me, cause he'll laugh1131.6939 
846 1131.8083and [she will] also about how s- still people will turn around and look, you know, and [stare. And this] uh,1138.1998 
847DTA_int_021131.9979[Mm-hm.]1132.1982
849 1136.4844[Yeah.]1136.8341 
851 1137.1022[Uh-huh.]1137.3469 
852DTA_se1_ag3_f_011139.0531it1139.2611
854 1139.5829kind of bugs them a little [bit.]1140.9826 
855DTA_int_021140.8817[I] imagine it would.1141.7289
856DTA_se1_ag3_f_011141.7289Mm-hm. And they've adopted a l- mixed girl.1144.1906
857DTA_int_021144.1906Mm-hm.1144.5085
858DTA_se1_ag3_f_011145.0317And even this is a case where it's still, uh,1147.4904
860 1147.6310when she go to the store with him1149.3530 
862 1150.2579or- and a lot of times, he'll take me shopping.1153.0071 
863DTA_int_021153.1050Mm-hm.1153.3590
864DTA_se1_ag3_f_011153.3590And since I don't have a car, well,1154.6557
865 1155.2276I- he's just like a-1156.6127
867 1156.9491anyone else to me.1158.1573 
868DTA_int_021158.3408Mm-hm.1158.5701
869DTA_se1_ag3_f_011158.7288Where still you see people turn around and look.1160.5608
871 1160.9646And we'll make a joke out of it.1162.3007 
873 1162.8237And it doesn't have anything to do but watch other people, huh?1165.1294 
874DTA_int_021165.1600Yeah.1165.3130
875DTA_se1_ag3_f_011165.9858So,1166.4060
877 1166.7321hm.1166.9248 
878DTA_int_021167.0716They must be pretty brave people or-1168.6525
880 1168.8268or something to- to- uh,1170.2674 
882 1170.3805to go ahead and do this and not- uh,1171.8727 
884 1172.2152not be afraid to, huh.1173.1785 
885DTA_se1_ag3_f_011174.0866Well I [don't see] why they should be, because- uh, afraid.1177.3772
886DTA_int_021174.3252[/inaudible/.]1174.6567
887DTA_se1_ag3_f_011177.8696[it's what they want]1178.7260
888DTA_int_021177.8696[Well because of- because of the, uh,]1179.8052
889DTA_se1_ag3_f_011179.0670[to.]1179.5213
890DTA_int_021179.9692because of this- the1181.5150
892 1181.8300social, this aspect of that, [I mean.]1183.8801 
893DTA_se1_ag3_f_011183.5301[This is] true. All the- uh,1185.4753
894 1186.3894their friends are limited.1187.5272
895DTA_int_021187.7352Mm-hm.1187.9523
896DTA_se1_ag3_f_011187.9523Uh- uh- I understand- I'll tell you this, because his people,1190.9401
897 1191.7838his mother, still haven't1193.2764
899 1193.4201really accepted her.1194.6340 
900DTA_int_021194.7563[Mm-hm.]1194.9582
901DTA_se1_ag3_f_011194.8506[And] they've been married seven years.1196.9231
902DTA_int_021196.9982That's too bad.1197.5579
903DTA_se1_ag3_f_011197.8664And, uh,1198.7106
905 1198.8329for her-1199.5788 
907 1199.8881for his birthday which was two months ago, she brought over a birthday card1204.4731 
909 1205.4263in Polish. He wrote-1206.6768 
911 1206.8297she wrote what she had to say1208.7474 
913 1209.6680to her son, so this meant it was strictly for her son, [you know,] so she couldn't read it.1214.1785 
914DTA_int_021212.7777[Mm-hm.]1213.0694
915DTA_se1_ag3_f_011214.7780And before that1215.7165
917 1216.5056they would always send any, um, letter or something to him on his job.1220.6618 
918DTA_int_021220.6862Mm-hm.1220.9370
919DTA_se1_ag3_f_011221.6768But they bought the home across the street1223.4782
921 1223.7872two years ago and adopted the little girl a year ago.1226.8483 
923 1227.1843So they're easing up a little [bit now.] They see that isn't just something for overnight.1231.5515 
924DTA_int_021228.5699[Mm-hm.]1228.8238
925DTA_se1_ag3_f_011231.7320It's really for [keeps, after] seven years.1233.9245
926DTA_int_021232.4507[Mm-hm.]1232.7380
927 1233.9245Mm-hm.1234.1508
928DTA_se1_ag3_f_011234.4567And they're really fond of one another. I enjoy being around them.1237.8205
929DTA_int_021237.8268Mm-hm.1238.0745
930DTA_se1_ag3_f_011238.4140Cause they really and truly,1240.0786
932 1240.6249you know,1241.1020 
933DTA_int_021241.1724Mm-hm.1241.3773
934DTA_se1_ag3_f_011241.6250um,1242.0594
936 1243.0835touch- really care for one another.1244.8820 
937DTA_int_021249.1570What do you think is gonna happen?1250.3039
939 1250.4844I mean, um,1251.0982 
941 1253.8391we feel that- that- t-1255.4077 
943 1255.5882I mean, you and I feel that- that- uh,1257.5330 
945 1258.9063that, uh, we should all be1260.3438 
946DTA_se1_ag3_f_011260.8358[Yeah.]1261.2765
947DTA_int_021260.9429[/close/ and] friends and [/wanna/-]1262.0038
948DTA_se1_ag3_f_011261.8237[Mm-hm.1262.1938
949DTA_int_021262.3957but it's not that way. And-1263.5233
950DTA_se1_ag3_f_011263.8450[No.]1264.2557
951DTA_int_021264.0744[and,] uh,1264.8023
952 1265.0133there's-1265.2963
954 1265.5430there's unhappiness on-1267.3374 
956 1267.8268on every side. I wonder what's gonna happen in this regard.1269.9000 
957DTA_se1_ag3_f_011271.0959In their case?1271.9676
958DTA_int_021272.3652Y- what's gonna happen in, uh,1274.0776
960 1275.3346I mean, uh,1275.9612 
962 1277.6189is there gonna be1278.3866 
964 1278.6492fighting and1279.3496 
965DTA_se1_ag3_f_011280.4018[Oh, it will take] a little time, but it'll work [out.]1282.6371
966DTA_int_021280.4018[/and uh/]1281.0165
968 1282.4811[You] think- you think everybody's gonna-1283.9431 
969DTA_se1_ag3_f_011284.0716I think it will take- [it will take] a little, but this is a new thing for a lot of people.1288.4230
970DTA_int_021285.0254[mm-hm.]1285.3221
971 1288.5882Mm-hm.1288.8712
972DTA_se1_ag3_f_011289.1081And it will take time, but it'll work out.1291.6065
974 1293.0073I mean, it, uh, it can't stay like this and I don't think it's gonna go back like it was [before.] So only thing- only way it can1299.5487 
975DTA_int_021297.5545[Mm-hm.]1297.8042
976DTA_se1_ag3_f_011300.1233we just get some kind of understanding.1302.0930
977DTA_int_021302.2643Mm-hm.1302.4936
978DTA_se1_ag3_f_011303.3955And, uh,1303.9827
980 1304.2947<ts> I can understand both sides.1306.0346 
981DTA_int_021306.0805Mm-hm.1306.3282
982DTA_se1_ag3_f_011306.8726I really do. It's- uh,1308.0960
984 1308.5548and then you find1309.5240 
986 1309.8084Southern or white,1311.2337 
988 1311.5732they were taught this.1312.8940 
989DTA_int_021313.0592Mm-hm.1313.3283
990DTA_se1_ag3_f_011314.2031It's not really their fault.1315.5397
991DTA_int_021315.6891They were- it's just the way they grew [up.]1317.0318
992DTA_se1_ag3_f_011316.9951[This] is the way they grew up. Now, our fore-parents were taught1320.0661
993 1320.4626to /jeff/ and, uh,1321.8573
995 1322.2427whatnot1322.7168 
996DTA_int_021322.8728[Mm-hm.]1323.1717
997DTA_se1_ag3_f_011322.9982[To them,]1323.4661
998 1323.8113this is the way they were taught.1325.1334
999DTA_int_021325.3283[Mm-hm.]1325.5639
1000DTA_se1_ag3_f_011325.5149[So] this is- uh,1326.0838
1001 1326.7318most of 'em, it's not really [their fault.]1328.8024
1002DTA_int_021327.9993[Mm-hm.]1328.2489
1003 1329.2306Guess another generation [will have to come and /change/-]1331.3724
1004DTA_se1_ag3_f_011330.1722[It-]1330.4169
1006 1330.5576[this is right, this is] what will happen,1332.2398 
1007DTA_int_021332.2581yeah.1332.4569
1008DTA_se1_ag3_f_011332.8411is you will find1333.7839
1010 1334.1907a little girl and a little boy, they don't care what color they are. If there's a game to be played and you can play, they'll play.1339.4658 
1011DTA_int_021339.5790Mm-hm.1339.8696
1012DTA_se1_ag3_f_011340.7321See, and- and when they're a certain age, when they get a little older, and perhaps their parents1345.2364
1014 1345.4720tell them different things, they may try and change. But now1348.0438 
1016 1348.5209children are more forward and they think for the- they'll try it for theyself.1352.2549 
1017DTA_int_021352.3161Mm-hm.1352.5608
1018DTA_se1_ag3_f_011352.8789And when they find out it's not so much different in either one, everybody's trying to make it,1357.0315
1020 1357.4781you know, this is where I think this barrier will1360.0621 
1022 1361.1540disappear.1361.9217 
1024 1362.2337And it'll take a little time.1363.2989 
1025DTA_int_021363.4903Isn't that funny the way kids can get along1365.1687
1027 1365.5697[that they grow up and]1366.5943 
1028DTA_se1_ag3_f_011365.6431[This is true.]1366.3160
1029 1366.8910[This is right,] uh- uh-huh. And this is something that,1369.0593
1030DTA_int_021366.9551[/inaudible/?]1367.4427
1031DTA_se1_ag3_f_011369.9674uh, that our parents and everyone have to put in them, [because as] children1374.2459
1032DTA_int_021373.3039[Mm-hm.]1373.5822
1033DTA_se1_ag3_f_011374.5120they do not care. They can be from a child in a clinic,1377.7838
1035 1378.2364like if1378.8206 
1037 1379.6709two women are in the clinic and they're1381.7594 
1039 1381.9797taking their children. They're sitting there,1383.7746 
1041 1384.0743if one have something to play with1385.7836 
1043 1385.9676they will reach over and get it, and then have a little game out of nothing but books and paper, they'll play.1390.5790 
1044DTA_int_021390.6952[Mm-hm.]1390.9260
1045DTA_se1_ag3_f_011390.8084[And] have fun. When they get older,1392.4141
1046 1393.0682at, uh, kindergarten stage they'll play.1395.6527
1048 1396.7625You know, they don't [care.]1398.1198 
1049DTA_int_021397.9645[Mm-hm.]1398.2856
1050DTA_se1_ag3_f_011398.6741When they get older,1399.9093
1052 1400.1632this is when they1401.0960 
1054 1401.4749s-1401.6492 
1055DTA_int_021401.7838Cruelty starts [/in/.]1402.6891
1056DTA_se1_ag3_f_011402.4842[this is] right. And they don't get it by theirself, they're [marking] either their parents or what they hear their parents say this isn't right, and then they try and do it.1409.7963
1057DTA_int_021404.6872[Mm-hm.]1404.9765
1058 1410.0654Mm-hm.1410.3063
1059DTA_se1_ag3_f_011410.3071So, uh,1410.8205
1061 1411.0315but this can't keep going on. [Cause children] nowadays are so different.1413.9856 
1062DTA_int_021412.4667[Mm-hm.]1412.7541
1063 1414.0009Mm-hm.1414.2364
1064DTA_se1_ag3_f_011414.7216See they'll find out for theyself.1416.3703
1065DTA_int_021416.3703Mm-hm.1416.5967
1067 1416.7838They're thinking.1417.2945 
1068DTA_se1_ag3_f_011417.4903They're thinking. This is true before when we were small, if your parents said this, this the way it was. But it's not done that way any longer.1423.4927
1070 1423.9858See, so I think it'll take a little time but they will work out. It'll work out.1426.9552 
1071DTA_int_021428.3223So I'm excited to see what's coming.1429.5239
1072DTA_se1_ag3_f_011430.0745<ts> Oh, yes.1430.6800
1074 1431.3560Did you see /RD-NAME-2/?1432.3159 
1076 1433.9464Yes, she came down.1435.0291 
1078 1435.2769What've you got good?1436.0446 
1080 1437.5612what've you got good?1438.3637 
1082 1440.9741Oh, you did.1441.8764 
1084 1442.3810Alright.1442.7389 
1085DTA_int_021447.0047Do you remember what you wanted to be when you were in school?1448.8975
1086DTA_se1_ag3_f_011449.0198A nurse.1449.5643
1087DTA_int_021450.6684Uh-huh.1450.9926
1089 1452.3073How long-1452.8823 
1091 1453.5858how long would it take to become a nurse?1455.2400 
1092DTA_se1_ag3_f_011456.1698Mm,1456.6531
1094 1456.8549about six, seven years I imagine.1459.0347 
1095DTA_int_021460.5278Did you, uh,1461.1513
1097 1461.3471do it?1461.6744 
1098DTA_se1_ag3_f_011462.4910No.1463.1730
1100 1464.0657I had to get married1465.1362 
1101DTA_int_021465.3350Mm-hm.1465.6256
1102DTA_se1_ag3_f_011466.5890at fifteen. I was married twice at seventeen. I had six children at twenty-five. I had two marriages and no husband, so my plans were all turned around.1476.4052
1103DTA_int_021476.4603Goodness, what a life. How, uh- [how did this] all come about? I mean, if you can1479.7523
1104DTA_se1_ag3_f_011477.7479[Yeah.]1478.1731
1105DTA_int_021480.1087express it. I mean, uh.1481.2525
1106DTA_se1_ag3_f_011482.0107<ts>1482.1177
1108 1482.3043Well my mother was very religious, remember my telling [you that.]1485.2584 
1109DTA_int_021484.9128[Yeah.]1485.1218
1110 1485.3746Right.1485.5880
1111DTA_se1_ag3_f_011486.0658So, uh,1486.9528
1113 1487.2434during the war she worked in the factory.1489.6990 
1115 1490.3382And I started going with my first husband, not for love. He had a car, he was a graduate of school and he would pick me up from1497.2767 
1117 1497.7111/RD-SCHOOL-4/, and I felt like a-1499.9403 
1119 1500.4358give me a nice feeling of picking me up.1501.9742 
1121 1502.6991And, uh,1503.5582 
1123 1504.7785<ts> going out two or three times he ended up him and me up in the corner, and taking what he wanted to. And naturally, here I was pregnant and I had to get married to keep me from going to the detention home.1514.2709 
1124DTA_int_021514.3657Mm-hm.1514.6023
1125DTA_se1_ag3_f_011514.8551And him getting in trouble.1516.0132
1127 1516.4634So after the first child-1518.0382 
1129 1518.7172let me tell you s- how foolish I was, I didn't move from home. I stayed home with my mother.1523.1424 
1130DTA_int_021523.2311Mm-hm.1523.5003
1131DTA_se1_ag3_f_011523.7786And he went home.1524.7783
1133 1525.3125He lived on the the East Side1526.7908 
1135 1527.3348an all colored neighborhood.1528.8213 
1136DTA_int_021528.9436Mm-hm.1529.2128
1137DTA_se1_ag3_f_011529.3718And as I said before,1530.6438
1139 1530.8915I've never lived around1531.9467 
1141 1532.0507all completely colored.1533.4511 
1142DTA_int_021533.5122Mm-hm.1533.7783
1143DTA_se1_ag3_f_011534.0689And even1534.7051
1145 1535.2158in our race,1536.1605 
1147 1537.0016I'm a little afraid around just1538.6868 
1148DTA_int_021539.7019Anybody.1540.1423
1149DTA_se1_ag3_f_011540.4787uh-huh. Blocks and blocks and blocks of 'em.1543.0047
1151 1543.4634Uh,1543.8001 
1153 1544.4727as a child, I was raised in Port Huron and [Marine] City. Do you know where [these at?]1548.1216 
1154DTA_int_021546.7479[Mm-hm.]1547.0690
1156 1547.8149[Mm-hm.]1548.0779 
1157 1548.1941Yeah, over in1548.8765
1158DTA_se1_ag3_f_011549.0444[My stepfather,] uh, was a immigrant patrol.1551.8686
1159DTA_int_021549.1943[by the Lake /?/.]1550.0016
1160DTA_se1_ag3_f_011552.3686And, uh,1553.0079
1162 1553.2464he worked there and there was only two colored families there in Marine City. [I don't] think they even live there now.1558.1423 
1163DTA_int_021556.6681[Mm-hm.]1556.9032
1164 1558.3442Mm-hm.1558.5980
1165DTA_se1_ag3_f_011558.8641So as a child, being raised around you really get used to them.1562.0323
1166DTA_int_021562.1608[Mm-hm.]1562.4496
1167DTA_se1_ag3_f_011562.3045[You know.]1562.7113
1168 1563.1513So then after1564.2876
1170 1564.4512mother and daddy separated,1566.0657 
1172 1566.7019we moved to Highland Park.1568.0323 
1174 1568.6043And then, uh,1569.6499 
1176 1569.9863in the ever- every area we have ever lived, it's always been mixed. [So I've] never really1574.0231 
1177DTA_int_021573.0291[Mm-hm.]1573.2983
1178DTA_se1_ag3_f_011574.9800come in contact with so many of them.1576.8971
1180 1577.6592He lived on the East Side and in a neighborhood that I really would've been afraid to even live /over/.1582.2340 
1182 1582.4604<ts> So I wouldn't move with him, and he wouldn't move with me.1585.2065 
1184 1585.8916But I messed around and had two children by him then finally divorced.1589.2311 
1185DTA_int_021589.4116[Mm-hm.]1589.6481
1186DTA_se1_ag3_f_011589.5089[Still] staying at home with my mother.1590.9985
1187DTA_int_021591.1667[Mm-hm.]1591.3686
1188DTA_se1_ag3_f_011591.1698[And]1591.4604
1189 1592.6226that1592.9342
1191 1593.6529second marriage was for convenience to feed the other children.1596.6682 
1192DTA_int_021596.7661Mm-hm.1597.0070
1193DTA_se1_ag3_f_011597.5735And it didn't last, but naturally you be pregnant before you /get/ [/her home/] so this is what happened.1602.3899
1194DTA_int_021600.9620[Mm-hm.]1601.2556
1195DTA_se1_ag3_f_011603.9925<ts> So it's been1604.7358
1197 1605.3501three marriages.1606.2659 
1198DTA_int_021607.6772If you could do it all over again, what would you-1609.3044
1200 1609.5888what would you wanna do or wouldn't [do?]1611.0835 
1201DTA_se1_ag3_f_011610.9800[I would]1611.3012
1202 1611.4816go back to jumping rope.1612.8519
1204 1613.0140[<laugh> And stay in school. That's right.] I would really,1616.5828 
1205DTA_int_021613.7598[And start from there.]1614.7171
1207 1615.4206[Mm-hm.]1615.7021 
1208DTA_se1_ag3_f_011617.4358really would- uh, it would really be different [if I] had my way. All together different.1622.6012
1209DTA_int_021620.1788[Mm-hm.]1620.4488
1210DTA_se1_ag3_f_011625.0659That's wishful thinking though.1626.5125
1211DTA_int_021628.0384What would you do if you had all the money you could ever1629.8242
1213 1629.9618want?1630.3564 
1214DTA_se1_ag3_f_011632.4602Mm, I would buy a nice home.1634.2892
1216 1636.6653And just live comfortable.1638.2002 
1217DTA_int_021638.4113Mm-hm.1638.6623
1218DTA_se1_ag3_f_011639.7509And perhaps would've had about twelve children. I love children.1643.1889
1219DTA_int_021643.4238Mm-hm.1643.7169
1220DTA_se1_ag3_f_011644.0198If I could really take care of them the way they should, it wouldn't matter.1646.7969
1222 1647.6774You know.1648.1270 
1224 1648.7356And just stay at home and just1650.1635 
1226 1651.6775nothing elaborate, just live comfortable.1653.8731 
1227DTA_int_021653.9465Mm-hm.1654.1851
1228DTA_se1_ag3_f_011654.9008So I think that's- (whispering)1655.8557
1230 1657.2768I wouldn't break any records or anything. Nothing sensational.1660.4695 
1232 1660.6133[Just-]1661.0690 
1233DTA_int_021661.0231[Just] live.1661.5035
1234DTA_se1_ag3_f_011661.7143just live. [Mm-hm.]1663.0658
1235DTA_int_021662.4755[Yeah.]1662.6529
1236DTA_se1_ag3_f_011663.3900And spend my time teaching them the things that I felt,1666.0933
1238 1666.7448you know, and then perhaps you- with all the money,1669.2034 
1240 1669.6194you would have help. So you wouldn't have to be nervous and you wouldn't holler, and you [could really] understand them.1674.4419 
1241DTA_int_021673.0568[Mm-hm.]1673.3320
1242 1674.5673Mm-hm.1674.8333
1243DTA_se1_ag3_f_011674.9312Cause children are r- really interesting.1676.6445
1244DTA_int_021676.7908Mm-hm.1677.0595
1245DTA_se1_ag3_f_011677.4082<ts> They really- but,1678.1208
1247 1678.2829we don't have the time, a lot of time to sit down and really-1681.2340 
1248DTA_int_021681.7173Enjoy it.1682.1302
1249DTA_se1_ag3_f_011682.4360that's just true, huh?1683.1972
1251 1683.5637Until it's too late.1684.6928 
1252DTA_int_021688.0506Do you work?1688.5920
1253DTA_se1_ag3_f_011689.8089Um, <ts> part-time. I used to domestic work and I stopped, the last three weeks.1694.4299
1254DTA_int_021696.2157Uh, was that, uh-1697.2036
1256 1697.4085was that hard work, or [is?]1698.6162 
1257DTA_se1_ag3_f_011698.4266[Yes,] and it's something I've never been used to.1700.4627
1258DTA_int_021700.5981Uh-huh.1700.8376
1259DTA_se1_ag3_f_011701.0565But not having too much of an education,1703.1546
1261 1703.8487the field is limited1705.0230 
1262DTA_int_021705.1575Mm-hm.1705.3900
1263DTA_se1_ag3_f_011705.4909for me.1705.9283
1265 1707.0871And, um,1707.8333 
1267 1709.0629I think they would- knew that I wasn't used to working, cause every job I'd have and I'd come home and tell my mother all the things I did, she'd say, you did what. [<laugh>]1717.0801 
1268DTA_int_021716.7446[<laugh>]1717.5573
1269DTA_se1_ag3_f_011717.5980And here- (laughing)1718.6436
1271 1719.2644they would have me scrubbing on my knees from end to the other, and walls, and [ironing,] and [every litt- well they-]1725.7355 
1272DTA_int_021724.1239[Oh, really?]1724.6894
1274 1725.1390[They really took advantage] of you.1726.2095 
1275DTA_se1_ag3_f_011726.3013Oh, they can [tell.]1727.5308
1276DTA_int_021727.3534[Uh-huh.]1727.7384
1277DTA_se1_ag3_f_011728.6529Who is it?1728.9985
1278DTA_int_021734.9037Uh,1735.3349
1280 1735.5766is there any special1736.4307 
1282 1736.8577word for this part of town? Any special name for this part of town?1739.3014 
1283DTA_se1_ag3_f_011740.3776Uh, some call it Krainz Woods.1742.5273
1285 1742.6803Some say on the other side of Conant Gardens.1744.7968 
1286DTA_int_021745.4543What- uh,1746.1819
1288 1746.5061what are the boundaries of it?1747.4305 
1289DTA_se1_ag3_f_011748.4972Uh,1749.1207
1291 1749.7446Conant Gardens I think is at Six Mile, isn't [it?]1752.0246 
1292DTA_int_021751.9066[Mm-hm.]1752.1939
1293DTA_se1_ag3_f_011752.3929And this is Seven.1753.2982
1294DTA_int_021753.5643Mm-hm.1753.7834
1296 1758.2767Is this city all surrounded by, uh,1760.2344 
1298 1760.9525<ts> uh,1761.8261 
1300 1762.8335Detroit?1763.2543 
1301DTA_se1_ag3_f_011765.7509No, well y- but you mean there's Highland Park or l- you mean?1769.0061
1302DTA_int_021770.3440Where am I?1771.0057
1304 1771.6255We are in Detroit.1772.3476 
1305DTA_se1_ag3_f_011772.5063We're in Detroit, [yes.]1774.1785
1306DTA_int_021773.6175[<laugh> I was thinking I was in Highland Park.]1775.8030
1307DTA_se1_ag3_f_011774.5765[We're in Detroit.]1775.5859
1308DTA_int_021776.1727[Outside.]1776.6937
1309DTA_se1_ag3_f_011776.3103[No.]1776.7446
1310DTA_int_021776.9868[Oh okay.]1777.4440
1311DTA_se1_ag3_f_011776.9899[We're in Detroit.]1777.7295
1312DTA_int_021779.1023Um,1779.4245
1314 1780.0260can you name some of the streets around where you've lived and1782.2920 
1316 1782.8547around this area?1783.4297 
1317DTA_se1_ag3_f_011785.0901In this area?1785.9373
1318DTA_int_021786.0780Mm-hm.1786.3668
1320 1787.3014Just n- some- some of the streets.1788.8639 
1322 1789.5123[Some more] streets.1790.2892 
1323DTA_se1_ag3_f_011789.5521[Hm.]1789.7325
1324 1790.8148Justine, Sunset,1792.6530
1326 1795.2799uh,1795.9590 
1328 1796.6011there's Ryan.1797.5183 
1330 1800.3929Eureka,1801.2646 
1332 1803.4724That's down.1804.3930 
1333DTA_int_021807.8610How about some of the bigger streets in1809.0962
1335 1809.3501Detroit? Can you name some of them?1810.5154 
1336DTA_se1_ag3_f_011812.0993<ts> Like Woodward, Linwood.1813.4707
1337DTA_int_021816.4848What's this1816.9753
1339 1817.0904one that goes up1817.8515 
1341 1818.0649from, uh,1818.8863 
1343 1819.7662Jefferson, and goes up towards East Detroit?1821.7268 
1345 1822.8977And the name? /unintelligible/?1824.7492 
1346DTA_se1_ag3_f_011825.8182I'm not too familiar with that [t-]1827.5574
1347DTA_int_021827.5091[Gratiot?]1827.8914
1348DTA_se1_ag3_f_011828.7019Gratiot.1829.2316
1350 1829.5675Yes, Gratiot.1830.4999 
1351DTA_int_021831.2493And, uh,1831.8304
1353 1832.6011what's the one by the University of Detroit that goes north and south?1835.4263 
1355 1837.1912Liver-1837.5551 
1357 1838.1022uh?1838.3910 
1358DTA_se1_ag3_f_011838.5614Livernois?1839.3317
1359DTA_int_021839.5183Yeah.1839.6804
1360DTA_se1_ag3_f_011840.2217Livernois.1840.8806
1361DTA_int_021841.1845And, uh,1841.9219
1363 1843.3410what do they call these big, high-speed roads that1845.3195 
1365 1845.6161go through1846.1269 
1367 1846.2768town, uh?1846.9374 
1368DTA_se1_ag3_f_011850.2983[The expressway?]1851.2094
1369DTA_int_021850.2983[You know, the.]1850.7526
1370 1851.2247Yeah, right.1851.7966
1372 1852.2003[What would y- what are] the names of some of these?1853.7112 
1373DTA_se1_ag3_f_011852.2064[Expressway.]1852.8181
1374 1854.4846John C. Lodge,1855.7845
1376 1855.9588uh,1856.5334 
1378 1861.0229the Chrysler.1862.0812 
1380 1864.8197Uh.1865.8209 
1381DTA_int_021868.7567Okay.1869.3140
1383 1869.5947Um,1869.9082 
1385 1870.5888where did you say you were born?1871.6011 
1386DTA_se1_ag3_f_011872.0870In Detroit.1872.8029
1387DTA_int_021874.1179How long,1874.8423
1389 1875.0167um,1875.4265 
1391 1877.7908or where- where else in Detroit, here, have you lived?1879.9099 
1393 1880.2402Besides here?1880.8852 
1394DTA_se1_ag3_f_011881.1512Oh, on Kendall in Highland Park,1883.5473
1396 1884.2430on Linwood,1885.4083 
1398 1888.1422and, um,1888.8732 
1400 1890.5733<ts> Justine.1891.5765 
1402 1892.4543Two blocks over.1893.5340 
1404 1895.0261And Shields.1896.0696 
1405DTA_int_021897.8640How long have you lived here?1898.6680
1406DTA_se1_ag3_f_011899.2432About seven years.1900.3882
1407DTA_int_021902.1665Have you ever lived outside of this area?1903.7017
1408DTA_se1_ag3_f_011905.0778No, other [than]1905.9403
1409DTA_int_021905.2221[You grew up in the Detroit area?]1906.4022
1410DTA_se1_ag3_f_011906.7111what, Marine City as a child.1908.4479
1411DTA_int_021909.0627Oh, in- uh,1910.0353
1412DTA_se1_ag3_f_011910.2066Marine City.1911.0904
1413DTA_int_021911.3623that's near Port Huron?1912.6958
1414DTA_se1_ag3_f_011912.7814Mm-hm. We lived in Port Huron and we lived in Marine City.1915.8762
1415DTA_int_021916.0445How long did you live over there?1917.0636
1416DTA_se1_ag3_f_011917.6528Oh, I was1918.3349
1418 1918.5123about two or three.1919.4696 
1420 1919.8489You know, so I guess about two years.1921.9502 
1422 1922.1087Two or three [years.]1923.0999 
1423DTA_int_021922.5609[And then you came-]1923.2583
1424DTA_se1_ag3_f_011923.7538To- back to Detroit, [yes.] Uh-huh.1925.4604
1425DTA_int_021925.0266[mm-hm.]1925.2747
1426 1926.7109Have you ever gone on any trips anywhere1928.1821
1428 1928.3564for extended time?1929.2127 
1429DTA_se1_ag3_f_011929.7935No, I've been to Chicago and1932.0656
1431 1933.4572that's about it I think.1934.9494 
1432DTA_int_021935.0411Mm-hm.1935.2907
1433DTA_se1_ag3_f_011935.8486Cleveland.1936.4789
1435 1936.7140I didn't like that.1937.5430 
1436DTA_int_021937.6898Mm-hm.1937.9738
1438 1939.7386How does you family celebrate the holidays?1941.2705 
1439DTA_se1_ag3_f_011942.7998Well if the money's not too short <laugh>1944.7810
1441 1945.3112we barbecue in the backyard. [<laugh>]1947.5622 
1442DTA_int_021947.1875[Mm-hm.]1947.4646
1443DTA_se1_ag3_f_011948.2379If it's- uh,1949.4241
1445 1952.2120um,1952.9187 
1447 1953.2058this is usually we do around the [house.]1955.5859 
1448DTA_int_021955.4485[Mm-hm.]1955.7325
1449DTA_se1_ag3_f_011956.4989Since I'm the one with1957.5280
1451 1957.6257the large amount of children, and if I have any transportation1961.2852 
1453 1963.3356I don't usually take 'em to- /?/ or to a park anyways. Too m-1966.9563 
1455 1967.5985you know, it's too nerve-wracking with too many people [there.]1970.2256 
1456DTA_int_021970.0215[Yeah.]1970.1997
1457 1970.4851Right.1970.7264
1458DTA_se1_ag3_f_011970.7508So usually we barbecue over a friend or1973.6225
1460 1973.7935our yard or something like that.1975.4761 
1462 1976.6317And then go for a long ride.1978.1982 
1463DTA_int_021981.8486What do you do at Christmas time?1982.7752
1464DTA_se1_ag3_f_011983.5264<ts> Celebrate here at home.1985.0135
1465DTA_int_021985.0898Mm-hm.1985.3066
1466DTA_se1_ag3_f_011986.0928[We're always here.] Oh, [yes.] Christmas tree, presents, I usually give the children1990.5005
1467DTA_int_021986.1416[With presents and1987.0272
1469 1987.2501[Christmas dinner?]1987.6434 
1470DTA_se1_ag3_f_011991.1509all one large gift and then a small. I usually try and give them gifts.1994.9645
1472 1995.4317And a tree.1996.2470 
1474 1996.9219Oh and baking and cooking.1998.4501 
1475DTA_int_021998.4653Mm-hm.1998.7062
1476DTA_se1_ag3_f_011999.1402I like that.1999.8944
1477DTA_int_022001.6088Anything special you cook2003.1326
1479 2003.4607for Christmas?2004.2473 
1480DTA_se1_ag3_f_012004.6149Oh, there's always a2005.8058
1482 2006.1326couple of cakes, and2007.4775 
1484 2007.6913sweet potato pie, and turkey,2009.5645 
1486 2010.5691and2010.9386 
1488 2011.8272the trimmings.2012.6559 
1490 2013.8317A lot of fruit.2014.7227 
1491DTA_int_022015.2011Mm-hm.2015.4576
1492DTA_se1_ag3_f_012018.2791Nuts, you know, the a- I guess the usual. It's [usually] plenty to eat2022.3412
1493DTA_int_022021.1939[Yeah.]2021.3915
1494DTA_se1_ag3_f_012022.7493[on] that day.2023.5156
1495DTA_int_022022.7585[Yeah.]2022.9457
1496 2023.6440Hm.2023.7875
1498 2024.4973What kind of presents do the kids like for Christmas? I mean, what do- what do you typically try and get 'em?2027.9767 
1499DTA_se1_ag3_f_012028.0867Well,2028.9683
1501 2029.4913from year to year it [varies.]2031.3371 
1502DTA_int_022031.2302[Mm-hm.]2031.4836
1503DTA_se1_ag3_f_012032.2653Like this year, uh,2033.6683
1505 2033.8149money was short.2034.7371 
1507 2034.9834I bought2035.4028 
1509 2036.2181the son, twelve, and the one fourteen, a pool table together.2039.8375 
1510DTA_int_022040.1019Mm-hm.2040.3187
1511DTA_se1_ag3_f_012041.2134And, uh, the one fourteen, a watch.2043.7188
1513 2044.5982And a heavy knit sweater.2046.0928 
1515 2047.3661And the one twelve,2048.6938 
1517 2049.4623a /couple gum/-2050.4575 
1519 2050.6655guns.2051.3524 
1521 2051.7599And three games.2052.9703 
1523 2054.8668And a shirt and pants.2056.6898 
1524DTA_int_022056.7264Mm-hm.2057.0022
1525DTA_se1_ag3_f_012057.9309[And s-]2058.4037
1526DTA_int_022058.3432[They] get excited, do they?2059.2158
1527 2059.3827For Christmas?2059.9052
1528DTA_se1_ag3_f_012060.1967No, cause they always want more.2061.8806
1530 2062.1340[<laugh>]2063.1095 
1531DTA_int_022062.2470[<laugh>]2062.8393
1532 2063.2072Well it's [not /inaudible/.]2064.1302
1533DTA_se1_ag3_f_012063.5859[My children] are something else. (laughing)2066.0318
1534DTA_int_022064.8568[Yeah.]2065.1340
1536 2065.5707[Yeah, just] like people.2066.6083 
1537DTA_se1_ag3_f_012067.0958Well they wanted a bike, a /?/, a racer. Sixty2070.3768
1539 2070.6668four dollars. [And for two,] I says no.2073.3951 
1540DTA_int_022071.6348[Oh my goodness.]2072.4363
1541DTA_se1_ag3_f_012074.0546So I waited until after, in the spring, I caught one on sale. And i was able to get the younger one. But for around Christmas, if I had gotten the bike, which I didn't have the money to get the bike, if I had gotten it then it would've been a treat. It wouldn't been anything else.2085.9600
1542DTA_int_022086.0424Mm-hm.2086.3138
1543DTA_se1_ag3_f_012086.9371And it just didn't make [sense.]2088.4803
1544DTA_int_022088.3951[Mm-hm.]2088.6607
1545 2088.9294[Right.]2089.1486
1546DTA_se1_ag3_f_012089.1004[Since] they don't believe in Santa Claus anyway.2091.2222
1547DTA_int_022091.4042Hm.2091.5595
1549 2093.7019What- uh, what do the kids do on October thirty first? What's this, uh,2096.9544 
1551 2097.0592day [called?]2097.7370 
1552DTA_se1_ag3_f_012097.4225[<ts> Halloween.]2098.2614
1553DTA_int_022098.2104[Yeah.]2098.4948
1554 2098.6623What do the kids do on Halloween?2099.8912
1555DTA_se1_ag3_f_012099.9676<ts> Uh, trick or treat. They dress and go begging2102.7220
1557 2103.4439in the neighborhood. The younger ones. And the older ones, go to-2106.5600 
1559 2106.8470to usually a party.2107.9096 
1560DTA_int_022107.9676Mm-hm.2108.2089
1562 2109.9813What do the kids say when they come to the door?2111.4287 
1563DTA_se1_ag3_f_012112.0073Mm, trick or treat.2112.8623
1564DTA_int_022113.4943Do they go out, uh,2114.6378
1566 2114.7905dressed up?2115.2839 
1567DTA_se1_ag3_f_012116.3661<ts> The younger ones.2117.4057
1568DTA_int_022117.4393What kind of costumes do they wear?2118.6180
1569DTA_se1_ag3_f_012118.8684Oh they vary.2119.6470
1571 2119.8547Each year if, uh,2121.1141 
1573 2122.5493<ts>2122.6592 
1575 2123.4332I have some extra money, I'll buy a costume. If not, they'll make one.2126.8151 
1576DTA_int_022127.0897Mm-hm.2127.3451
1577DTA_se1_ag3_f_012127.7401So it's-2128.5548
1579 2130.9844it change from year to year. Whatever-2133.1598 
1581 2133.8042however things are that year. [Just make] the best of it, /unintelligible/.2137.9524 
1582DTA_int_022135.7721[/And do/-]2136.1625
1583 2138.8301do they ever dress up like- uh, oh, what's this old lady that flies on a broom through the [sky?]2142.5409
1584DTA_se1_ag3_f_012142.2485[<ts> The] witch.2143.1279
1585DTA_int_022143.1432Yeah.2143.3875
1586DTA_se1_ag3_f_012144.2821Mm,2145.1783
1588 2146.2409uh, the girls. See, the- my daughters are older2149.0882 
1590 2149.3386than the boys. All I have now at home, well the young ones are boys.2152.8474 
1591DTA_int_022152.9737[Mm-hm.]2153.2088
1592DTA_se1_ag3_f_012153.1783[They] don't2154.0042
1593 2154.8134dress like that.2155.8088
1595 2155.9127The girls I can recall dressing as a witch.2158.3661 
1596DTA_int_022160.6515What do you make a2161.4577
1598 2162.3904jack-o-lantern out of?2163.1901 
1599DTA_se1_ag3_f_012164.3691A pumpkin.2165.2241
1600DTA_int_022165.4607Mm-hm.2165.7364
1601DTA_se1_ag3_f_012165.9920A candle.2166.5951
1602DTA_int_022168.7019What kind of things do- uh,2170.2226
1604 2170.7753do fights usually start about around here?2172.3187 
1605DTA_se1_ag3_f_012173.6928<ts>2173.8027
1607 2173.9004Oh, one taking something from the other one.2176.3264 
1608DTA_int_022176.8546I guess I'm thinking more out, not in the house, but, uh,2179.7818
1609DTA_se1_ag3_f_012180.3921Out in the [street?]2181.0571
1610DTA_int_022180.6897[out- out] where the kids are /about ? here/.2182.4668
1611 2183.6622Where they run around /and stuff/.2184.6882
1612DTA_se1_ag3_f_012186.1264Well I really couldn't say, cause when by the time it get to me, they would given me their version anyway. [So they] wouldn't be fair, for me to say what it really start2194.2333
1613DTA_int_022191.1061[Yeah.]2191.3661
1614DTA_se1_ag3_f_012194.3881from. By the time that they2195.6988
1616 2196.6057really get into a fight.2197.9768 
1618 2198.3218And the parent or someone come to meet you s-2200.8027 
1620 2201.7996you know, it's all together different.2203.3168 
1621DTA_int_022203.3294Yeah.2203.5065
1623 2204.5003Uh,2204.7790 
1625 2204.9675how about, um,2205.8256 
1627 2206.2287is there any kind of, uh,2207.5740 
1629 2208.4103street fighting or anything like this around2210.0923 
1631 2210.5065in this area?2211.0783 
1632DTA_se1_ag3_f_012211.8897[No.]2212.3752
1633DTA_int_022212.3447[When] you read in the paper [about s-.]2213.6290
1634DTA_se1_ag3_f_012213.2211[No cause] usually here, like, if you one of my sons- I have more trouble with my younger son,2218.8187
1635DTA_int_022219.7324[Mm-hm.]2219.9748
1636DTA_se1_ag3_f_012219.7446[Any-] the one that's twelve. If he do something2222.2180
1637 2223.0011fight2223.4775
1639 2223.8347both2224.2585 
1641 2224.5371the child will- whoever he's fighting will tell his parent. And it's understood they come to me and tell me, then I2230.7752 
1643 2231.3737punish him. Whoop him.2232.4042 
1644DTA_int_022232.7309Mm-hm.2232.9922
1645DTA_se1_ag3_f_012233.4210This is the way we do this.2234.9553
1647 2235.1294Um,2235.6332 
1649 2235.8073here it's usually2237.0592 
1651 2237.6164not, uh, a group fight. Whoever start it2240.4240 
1653 2240.5492that they come2241.2332 
1655 2241.7615and they k-2242.3508 
1657 2242.6775call or either they'll come. And when they tell me2244.9935 
1658DTA_int_022245.4180Mm-hm.2245.6500
1659DTA_se1_ag3_f_012245.9737whatever i- and usually my son say, well I didn't do it. But I feel that2249.1752
1661 2249.3279he knows something about it [and he] have to be punished or whooped [for.]2252.7568 
1662DTA_int_022250.7737[Mm-hm.]2250.9813
1664 2252.5248[Mm-hm.]2252.7613 
1665DTA_se1_ag3_f_012253.8439And they don't usually do that anymore.2255.6377
1666DTA_int_022255.8301Mm-hm.2256.0713
1667DTA_se1_ag3_f_012256.7279It was understood they just tell me.2258.5003
1669 2258.8423You know, then this keeps down a lot, uh, ill feelings and a lot of other things that they know that they will get.2264.0836 
1671 2264.4545And I don't like whooping2265.6179 
1673 2265.7401children too [much.] But this is one time I will whoop them.2268.1904 
1674DTA_int_022266.3386[Mm-hm.]2266.5584
1675 2268.3645Mm-hm.2268.5782
1676DTA_se1_ag3_f_012269.4638Cause, uh, I mean I don't like that.2270.9187
1677DTA_int_022273.2149Are there any rules for- um,2274.5501
1679 2274.8317for a fair fight? I mean, if the kids are gonna fight,2276.8026 
1681 2277.1110uh,2277.3828 
1683 2278.9071if they're fighting out there and you know-2280.1477 
1685 2280.7645when you grew up, were2281.6745 
1687 2282.4043did- did the kids fight? And would they- were there-2285.3157 
1689 2285.5156was there dirty fighting as against to clean fighting, or?2287.8393 
1690DTA_se1_ag3_f_012288.4454<ts>2288.5797
1692 2288.6896Well I don't know. Um,2290.3722 
1694 2291.5248I can't remember being a girl, it wasn't too much fighting.2294.6041 
1695DTA_int_022294.6499Mm-hm.2294.9248
1696DTA_se1_ag3_f_012295.6179But like with boys, I have- uh, we have boxing gloves, and if they really must shoot, I have called2301.9385
1698 2303.9981other boys from the street that really wanted to fight, and put 'em in the yard, and put boxing gloves on ['em.]2308.7914 
1699DTA_int_022308.5615[Let them] go.2309.1142
1700DTA_se1_ag3_f_012309.3340Just let them go if they really wanna fight.2311.2206
1702 2311.7538Then I feel2312.6347 
1704 2312.9370better that way, cause then you don't have to worry about a stick, one getting poked in the eye2317.3861 
1706 2317.8668or really hurting one and-2319.2179 
1708 2319.3248cause they really don't mean to really hurt.2321.0806 
1709DTA_int_022321.4881Mm-hm.2321.7293
1710DTA_se1_ag3_f_012322.0011And usually, five out of ten, after they fight2324.3126
1712 2324.5736like the devil one day, the next day they're out playing.2327.3584 
1713DTA_int_022327.3812Mm-hm.2327.6225
1714DTA_se1_ag3_f_012327.8698So there's no point in we parents getting too [alarmed.]2330.6896
1715DTA_int_022330.4515[Mm-hm.]2330.7018
1716DTA_se1_ag3_f_012331.1843So when they really2332.6622
1718 2332.8241be mauling off and feel that they must fight,2335.5096 
1720 2335.7111then I'll drag2336.8148 
1722 2337.1385mine and the other one in the yard.2338.7874 
1723DTA_int_022338.8607Mm-hm.2339.1495
1724DTA_se1_ag3_f_012339.4103And just let 'em get to it.2340.5904
1726 2341.0118And then give 'em some Kool-Aid, and they'll be alright. And it isn't a terrible shame, we usually laugh.2344.9129 
1727DTA_int_022345.1019Yeah.2345.3486
1729 2346.8347Um,2347.1714 
1731 2349.1049have you ever seen anybody get beat up real bad or anything like that?2351.5492 
1732DTA_se1_ag3_f_012354.3615No.2354.9644
1734 2355.9442No, not really bad.2357.1869 
1735DTA_int_022359.8943Have you ever been in the hospital?2360.8973
1736DTA_se1_ag3_f_012361.7950Yes.2362.3569
1737DTA_int_022364.0622[Um,]2364.4530
1738DTA_se1_ag3_f_012364.1477[Mm.]2364.5019
1739DTA_int_022364.8958what was it?2365.3028
1740DTA_se1_ag3_f_012366.5583Well I had, um,2367.5690
1742 2368.8638major surgery,2369.9034 
1744 2370.7370female trouble, and I had surgery on my feet.2373.7556 
1745DTA_int_022374.0607Mm-hm.2374.3466
1746DTA_se1_ag3_f_012374.6439Twice,2375.2699
1748 2376.2606so.2376.5904 
1749DTA_int_022377.6103What's- what's the worst illness you've ever had?2379.4686
1750DTA_se1_ag3_f_012382.6332Oh, I think when I had female trouble. That was- I had a tumor, you know, I was really sick then.2387.4698
1751DTA_int_022387.7507Mm-hm.2387.9945
1753 2389.1706This took care of it, though?2389.9927 
1754DTA_se1_ag3_f_012390.4881Mm-hm.2390.9125
1755DTA_int_022393.8484What do you say in the winter time2395.1371
1757 2395.5279when- uh,2396.1362 
1759 2396.9858when kids- it's real cold and kids come in and they start,2399.2072 
1761 2400.3217uh, coughing and sneezing. Th- you say2402.6377 
1763 2402.9583that they're starting to?2403.8103 
1764DTA_se1_ag3_f_012404.5309Catch a cold.2405.3370
1765DTA_int_022405.5339Okay.2405.8561
1767 2407.3263Have you ever been in an automobile accident?2408.7537 
1768DTA_se1_ag3_f_012409.2179No.2409.6209
1769DTA_int_022410.2469What's the worst one you've ever seen?2411.4850
1770DTA_se1_ag3_f_012414.8026Mm, on the expressway- I haven't ever really seen one. Like, you know,2419.2683
1772 2419.8393directly like a car being hit2421.3980 
1774 2421.6973and people. I've seen the after.2423.4178 
1775DTA_int_022423.8117What would happen- what would you see afterwards? I [mean,]2426.4209
1776DTA_se1_ag3_f_012426.0394[U- uh.]2427.0173
1777DTA_int_022426.8423[what do] you figure happened?2427.6840
1778DTA_se1_ag3_f_012428.1645Oh you see blood, glass, and a dented car.2430.9721
1779DTA_int_022431.1461Mm-hm.2431.4378
1780DTA_se1_ag3_f_012431.8223Something like that.2432.7507
1781DTA_int_022435.4239Have you ever been in a situation where you thought you might be killed or you might die?2438.4911
1782DTA_se1_ag3_f_012441.9186No.2442.3217
1784 2443.9248Well I can't recall none.2445.2789 
1785DTA_int_022448.2453Some people say whatever is gonna happen, is gonna happen. What do you think about that?2451.2301
1786DTA_se1_ag3_f_012451.3461This is true.2452.0545
1788 2453.2821I believe this.2454.2423 
1789DTA_int_022454.2423Hm.2454.4368
1790DTA_se1_ag3_f_012454.4805I, um,2455.0545
1792 2455.6347getting back to the murder.2456.9888 
1794 2458.6530Uh,2459.0449 
1796 2459.1630I was supposed to- I-2460.5812 
1798 2462.0653if I had followed the plans, I would have been at his house when it happened.2465.9888 
1799DTA_int_022465.9888So you would've got it, too?2467.1092
1800DTA_se1_ag3_f_012467.5217I just2468.0225
1802 2468.1874so happen that night2469.6698 
1804 2470.1431my second husband came by. And this is something he never do.2473.2927 
1805DTA_int_022473.5920Mm-hm.2473.8515
1806DTA_se1_ag3_f_012474.6957And he had some scotch.2476.1675
1808 2476.8240And, uh, I had some scotch.2478.7492 
1810 2479.6897And he went to sleep sitting at the table. He had been2482.5034 
1812 2482.6317to work.2483.2088 
1814 2484.0988And I took his station wagon, which I don't even drive, but I got my daughter.2488.1100 
1816 2488.8210I took the keys from him while he was sitting there sleeping, and stripped all the beds and the-2493.1385 
1818 2493.2789and all the clothes and washed, cause our washer machine is broke.2497.1871 
1819DTA_int_022497.4057Mm-hm.2497.6775
1820DTA_se1_ag3_f_012497.7874But this was chance for me to get all the [clothes clean.] And this is- was, uh,2501.9919
1821DTA_int_022499.8866[And all that. Mm-hm.]2500.8207
1822DTA_se1_ag3_f_012502.6647around nine in the evening, and usually you wash early.2505.4499
1823DTA_int_022505.4652Mm-hm.2505.7380
1824DTA_se1_ag3_f_012505.8683But even, I was just so glad to have transportation2508.5171
1826 2508.8438since he was sitting here, I2510.1599 
1828 2510.6499grabbed all my clothes and went there. And this threw me late.2513.4972 
1829DTA_int_022513.7568Mm-hm.2514.0102
1830DTA_se1_ag3_f_012514.7095<ts>2514.8102
1832 2515.1186And then it was my brother's birthday, he came by.2518.0110 
1834 2519.1904And, uh,2519.9613 
1836 2520.4805since he had the scotch2521.5797 
1838 2521.7294I gave him a drink, you know. And I went to the store2524.6958 
1840 2525.1263and bought a bottle of champagne for him for his birthday.2527.9675 
1842 2528.9094And fooling around with him,2530.6042 
1843DTA_int_022530.7141[Mm-hm.]2530.9622
1844DTA_se1_ag3_f_012530.8210[time] flew by, cause this fella2532.8499
1845 2533.7965that was killed,2534.6774
1847 2535.1690he worked afternoon so he got home at ten thirty.2537.8575 
1849 2538.4835R- he got off at ten thirty,2539.7766 
1851 2540.0744eleven fifteen he was home.2541.8255 
1853 2542.1675Well this was always good for my plans, at that time my children would be in bed.2546.2485 
1855 2546.5919You know, and I would be able to go2548.4179 
1857 2548.9003over his house and maybe, uh,2551.0118 
1859 2551.1747we'd broil steaks or have dinner, or drink or whatever.2554.0545 
1860DTA_int_022554.1913Mm-hm.2554.5149
1861DTA_se1_ag3_f_012554.6988And I could be back home before the kids wake up, you know, seeing I'm not missed.2558.0911
1862DTA_int_022558.1935[Mm-hm.]2558.4117
1863DTA_se1_ag3_f_012558.2041[And then,] you know, e- my- since my mother stays here, see everything was really in order and it's still like we're running the streets, but it's just a little outlet.2565.2178
1864 2565.9263<ts>2566.0301
1866 2566.3141And since this happened, uh,2568.3705 
1868 2568.9965Friday, my brother's birthday, like I said, I'm going washing t-.2571.6331 
1870 2572.2927I missed it.2572.9675 
1872 2573.8575And I've often wondered, I say well the Lord was with me.2576.3339 
1874 2576.7720Cause it wasn't like who- whoever did it, if they had seen me they might've had to have did this to me to keep me,2582.0239 
1876 2582.2082you know, quiet. And whoever did it meant2583.8408 
1878 2584.1125to do it. Cause he shoot him five times, that's-2586.3107 
1879DTA_int_022587.1522He was mad.2587.6631
1880DTA_se1_ag3_f_012588.0072yeah.2588.4972
1882 2588.7018Right through the door.2589.7510 
1884 2589.9995One went through the door and the other right there at the door, so.2593.0148 
1886 2594.2026I go along with it, if it's not meant for you.2596.4767