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1DTA_int_010.2998Alright.0.5787
3 0.6885Um.1.0443 
5 1.1511What kind of1.6454 
7 2.2769games do the kids in this neighborhood play4.4093 
9 4.5222when they get together5.5448 
11 5.9930do things together?6.7479 
12DTA_se2_ag3_m_028.6214Uh. Usually, the girls, they're10.4145
14 10.8714skipping rope,11.7257 
16 12.8653uh,13.3626 
18 13.6412occasionally they will14.7596 
20 15.4583get some chalk and make little17.0357 
22 18.2646markings on the sidewalk, or, I forget what the uh21.1877 
24 21.3555na- ga- name of the games i-22.8511 
26 23.3954are.23.7798 
28 24.7151And uh,25.5633 
30 25.6945they play26.3789 
32 27.8526a little28.3942 
34 29.3614handball between the sidewalks.31.3067 
36 32.5087And occasionally, I take the boys down to34.9511 
38 35.4667the um,36.0953 
40 36.4265<ts>36.5302 
42 36.6692field, at MacKay Field.37.9110 
44 38.7196And uh, we have some40.0066 
46 40.6900baseball41.3360 
48 41.9686and so forth.42.8412 
50 43.5838And that is just about the extent of it. Like, yesterday, we went out46.5622 
52 46.6781to Belle Isle and um,47.7734 
54 48.3165<ts>48.4629 
56 48.8267we had a49.3576 
58 49.5513little baseball game out there.50.9795 
60 51.1224Um,51.3055 
62 51.4768girls and the boys, so forth.53.1916 
64 54.4730And,54.8938 
66 55.8977that's just it. They'll have a little,57.3489 
68 58.4154like now, they're playing checkers on the porch, often.60.9608 
69DTA_int_0161.3113Oh.61.5309
70DTA_se2_ag3_m_0261.9348Once in a while.62.6365
72 63.4206And uh,64.1190 
74 65.5914well, that's about all I can think of right now.67.6899 
75DTA_int_0167.8917Uh-huh.68.1114
77 68.5965When you were a kid, do you remember some of the games that you used to play?71.0520 
78DTA_se2_ag3_m_0271.3449Yeah.71.6049
80 71.8459Mm.72.0198 
82 72.3188Yeah, well baseball, one of my favorites.74.2273 
83DTA_int_0174.4098Uh-huh.74.7385
84DTA_se2_ag3_m_0274.9412And uh,75.5758
86 76.6744uh,77.2755 
88 79.2791handball79.9778 
90 80.2554was80.6643 
92 81.4103one we played everyday, just about during the summer.83.6640 
93DTA_int_0184.0314Mm-hm.84.2481
94DTA_se2_ag3_m_0284.5013I would look forward to it every day. And a game called pum-pum pete away88.7499
96 89.3765come and find my hideaway.90.9203 
97DTA_int_0191.4050[Uh-huh.]91.7417
98DTA_se2_ag3_m_0291.5484[That] was one of 'em.92.5186
99DTA_int_0192.8256Uh. What were the rules for that?93.9466
100DTA_se2_ag3_m_0294.6789Well, uh, if I can remember96.4082
101DTA_int_0196.7354Huh.96.9788
102DTA_se2_ag3_m_0297.6701closely, we'd-98.5976
104 99.3726I think99.7898 
106 99.8965we'd have uh, someone in the s-101.4464 
108 101.6783center102.3983 
110 102.4784in a little ring,103.4023 
112 104.6472and, uh,105.2818 
114 106.2780the group would be around 'em.107.5632 
116 108.5548And uh,109.2429 
118 109.9721uh, he would say110.8714 
120 112.3237goal.112.7845 
122 113.2365And then113.7551 
124 114.4782the guy would still be in the115.8129 
126 116.1852center, he would say, pum pum pete away, come and find my hideaway.119.4069 
128 119.7425And you would try to seek out120.9520 
130 122.1508someone. If you found one, he had to get in the center.124.5989 
131DTA_int_01124.7484Oh, I see.125.2621
132DTA_se2_ag3_m_02125.3952See.125.6698
134 126.8600And marbles,127.9688 
136 128.1183I enjoyed marbles.129.2534 
138 129.8269And we had another game, uh.131.3265 
140 134.0596We had about134.6362 
142 134.9482t-135.0764 
144 135.2281a da- a triangle I think it was, about137.2792 
146 138.2281nine holes.139.1615 
148 139.2347We would pitch a little ball140.6221 
150 141.8734everyone had a designated uh,143.6062 
152 143.8696hole.144.2876 
154 145.8331And we'd pitch the little ball147.1725 
156 147.3594through these holes148.2222 
158 148.7012if it-149.0581 
160 149.3432ball fell in your hole, you had to get it and151.1920 
162 151.2957pick it up, and151.7168 
164 151.8815if you threw it, hit somebody153.0429 
166 153.3396then he would be154.2572 
168 155.1335it.155.3441 
170 156.0244Far as I can think of he would be158.0025 
172 158.7356uh,159.4190 
174 161.7719Well somehow I forget some of the rules of that one.163.9803 
175DTA_int_01164.1586Did you had a special name for [that] kind of game or?165.9621
176DTA_se2_ag3_m_02165.4831[<ts>]165.5441
177 166.1634No, there was no-167.2486
179 167.3981oof, no name for that one.168.9445 
181 170.4856And uh,171.4533 
183 173.0221ping pong. I played quite a bit of ping pong. I was pretty good. My brothers and I, both of us. At least my brother, he won the-178.8685 
185 179.9897out in Hamtramck, he won a City Champ-182.1774 
187 182.7560He- well he was a runner up in the City Championship out in Hamtramck.186.0012 
189 186.7029We were both good.187.5786 
191 188.3260And uh, I was older than he was and uh.190.8456 
193 191.7127I kind of regretted192.8721 
195 193.4439he was better than I because, [you know, me] being older.195.4325 
196DTA_int_01194.5202[<laugh>]195.0999
197DTA_se2_ag3_m_02195.7498And he'd beat me sometimes and I'd come home and-198.1640
199 198.7467now, but this was something that we did200.2158 
201 200.5850during the winter months201.5367 
203 201.6832after school. We'd go up to the pa- or the recreation center.204.9074 
205 205.9158And they had206.3063 
207 206.5687checkers and um207.5929 
209 207.7699chess,208.1971 
211 208.6425and ping pong, that's the /??/ the extent of the211.1349 
213 211.4036recreation up there.212.3859 
215 213.0205And uh,213.7218 
217 214.0269he would214.3625 
219 215.3298beat me and /he/ would do so much to me. [I never will forget it.]218.4149 
220DTA_int_01217.4203[<laugh>]218.0183
221DTA_se2_ag3_m_02218.8543And I'd come home. I would- and my mother would know when- just when he would beat me.222.3111
223 222.6528But he was real good.223.6251 
225 224.3757And we both were pretty equally good.226.3991 
227 227.5825And ping pong, so.229.0137 
229 229.4451/But/.229.7000 
230DTA_int_01229.7976How do you play, uh, what were the rules for handball?231.8546
231DTA_se2_ag3_m_02232.6054Handball?233.2706
232DTA_int_01233.4725Uh-huh.233.7960
233DTA_se2_ag3_m_02233.7960Well,234.2844
234 235.1753we uh,235.7977
236 235.9564well, uh, like we had down at the um,237.5185 
238 239.8017uh, Hamtramck240.4808 
240 240.6272Hamtramck High School uh, court there, they had, um,243.2773 
242 243.9364it was right in back of the gymnasium. And, um,246.2155 
244 247.1064there was a-247.6922 
246 248.5648they had it all arranged for250.1538 
248 250.6481tennis, you know, so forth, and so there was a big wall there.253.3667 
250 253.7573And it had lines drawn255.3072 
252 255.5879from256.0395 
254 256.9060one end of the257.6388 
256 258.4992uh, to, uh, let you know what260.1650 
258 260.6021start and finished of a261.7493 
260 262.1399handball court.263.0125 
262 263.8363And, um,264.4770 
264 264.7150you served265.3862 
266 266.3585one man would serve.267.4508 
268 268.3023And, um,269.1017 
270 271.4431I forget now- I can't think too much.273.7321 
272 274.4033You would serve and um,275.9531 
274 277.8997the fellow you were playing against279.4436 
276 280.3378he was supposed to hit the ball, and you're- you- your uh, uh, objective was to284.6415 
278 284.9380make it more difficult for him to286.7808 
280 287.3056get the next ball that you hit.288.6542 
281DTA_int_01288.8038Oh.289.0784
282DTA_se2_ag3_m_02289.2676And if it289.8351
284 290.0853if he- if he hit a ball, and it went out of bounds of what he292.7795 
286 293.0236that was your point.293.7742 
288 294.4515And if294.8421 
290 295.0434you hit a ball and he didn't296.8017 
292 297.5156return it to the wall, and then he- and it went to the floor,300.2799 
293DTA_int_01300.5036[Uh-huh.]300.7904
294DTA_se2_ag3_m_02300.6378[uh,] to the ground, well that was a point302.4013
295 302.7127[for you too.]303.3655
296DTA_int_01302.8416[/inaudible/]303.1413
297DTA_se2_ag3_m_02304.1138See, I think the game wa- it- the- the uh, limit was eleven I think. Eleven points.308.7258
299 309.6533I don't think we ha- was [/inaudible/.]310.7827 
300DTA_int_01310.5569[Do you have] a si- any side walls at all?312.3449
301DTA_se2_ag3_m_02312.6927No, this was no side wall- were- when I was playing, [but they] do have side walls, I know.316.9417
302DTA_int_01315.3208[Right.]315.5588
303 317.1980Yeah.317.3718
304DTA_se2_ag3_m_02317.3718Well, now, they can ricochet off the s- you can play off the [sides.]320.4493
305DTA_int_01320.4005[Yeah.]320.6141
306DTA_se2_ag3_m_02321.1388Yeah, I know, I noticed out the Belle Isle, they have a court out there.323.8941
308 324.3090But, we just had some lines drawn.326.1641 
310 326.8500And if it went out of the line, then you lost that point.329.0040 
311DTA_int_01329.2481[Oh yeah?]329.5044
312DTA_se2_ag3_m_02329.3884[If you] went on this line, you lost a point.331.1171
313 331.5809And if you didn't-332.3925
315 332.8555if I hit the ball and334.3444 
317 334.5824uh, his return shot335.8334 
319 336.2422didn't hit the wall again, it was /typical/, well, I got a point that way too.339.4384 
320DTA_int_01339.4384Yeah.339.6458
321DTA_se2_ag3_m_02340.1035Yeah.340.3903
323 341.5742That was, uh,342.4285 
325 343.0631handball.343.7160 
327 344.5349And344.9031 
328DTA_int_01344.9031Kept quite busy then, with [sports.]346.5629
329DTA_se2_ag3_m_02346.0605[Oh yeah.]346.9223
330DTA_int_01347.0749<laugh>347.6302
331DTA_se2_ag3_m_02347.6302Yeah.347.9475
332 349.1054So, I broke this finger, I was still active at forty-three years old.352.2721
333DTA_int_01352.2721<laugh>352.9372
334DTA_se2_ag3_m_02353.2911[Mm-hm.]353.7061
335DTA_int_01353.6390[Well] that's good.354.7983
336DTA_se2_ag3_m_02355.9259But we were playing /an inter church/. We got a parish, uh, Saint Theresa and, uh,359.7330
338 359.9466Saint Cecilia's and361.2647 
340 361.5832quite a few other362.5656 
342 363.0111parishes. Um, this is the first year they got into365.7875 
344 366.2931a-366.6715 
346 366.9400that I knew about that they have a inter parish league.369.6896 
347DTA_int_01369.9038Uh-huh.370.1427
348DTA_se2_ag3_m_02370.2085And uh370.7881
350 371.6978I think next year, our parish will. We've combined forces with Saint Cecilia because they didn't have enough376.5037 
351DTA_int_01376.7366Oh, I [see.]377.2371
352DTA_se2_ag3_m_02377.2064[to] make up a team from one parish, so we combined with them.380.3527
353 381.0478Mm-hm.381.4386
354DTA_int_01381.9906I'll have to get a-382.8144
356 383.0890get some more [players /??/.]384.3120 
357DTA_se2_ag3_m_02383.9155[Yeah.] So, I'm- I'm l- I'm been out of commission there, about three weeks now. I gotta go back next week for388.9465
358 389.3188another x-ray of it. It's not too bad, but.391.6012
359DTA_int_01392.1232What position did you play?393.0583
360DTA_se2_ag3_m_02393.2416Short stop.393.9312
361DTA_int_01394.0898Oh.394.2788
362DTA_se2_ag3_m_02394.3815Yeah.394.7328
364 395.6886That was a hot ball I caught397.0127 
366 398.1056and, uh,398.8622 
368 399.2222I shoulda let it go on, but uh,400.8292 
370 401.1849I /feel I didn't/402.0008 
372 402.7844And I felt the uh403.9499 
374 404.3161little tingle in my hand, it broke the nail.406.1777 
375DTA_int_01406.5561Uh-huh.406.8490
376DTA_se2_ag3_m_02407.0870Broke the nail, and408.0679
378 408.1907cracked it, ended up bleeding, so.409.8549 
380 410.3797I just tied it up with a handkerchief and kept on playing.412.4696 
382 413.0038But the swelling never went down. It was three weeks415.5667 
384 415.9694before I went to the doctor.417.0585 
385DTA_int_01417.2523Is that right?417.7297
386DTA_se2_ag3_m_02418.1690And [he found.]418.6999
387DTA_int_01418.2972[Well, did they.]419.1637
388 419.9602They still fixed it okay, huh?421.1074
389DTA_se2_ag3_m_02421.5285Well, he says, it's not too bad of a fracture. It's a hairline fracture right across through here, what doctor said, so I gotta go back next week429.0928
391 429.6542and let him430.2217 
393 430.6672check it.431.0577 
395 431.8815So, I guess that's why he didn't put it in a cast.434.0294 
396DTA_int_01434.3143Uh.434.5250
397DTA_se2_ag3_m_02434.7621Mm-hm.435.1572
399 435.9418It's something new in splints.437.2843 
400DTA_int_01437.8518Yeah.438.1480
402 438.3311I- I /feel as/439.4091 
404 439.5408g- lots of [breathable ones.]440.9635 
405DTA_se2_ag3_m_02440.4753[Yeah.] And uh.441.6592
406 442.0314It keeps me from bending that443.2697
408 443.4771part where it was broken. I can bend it from the bottom part down, but not446.7351 
410 447.2782you know, at the knuckle.448.3423 
411DTA_int_01448.4521Uh-huh.448.7021
412DTA_se2_ag3_m_02448.7636Mm-hm.449.2465
413DTA_int_01449.6359Yeah, that's nice.450.2766
415 450.7038Oh, it's a451.2103 
417 451.6130finger-452.0096 
419 452.1402you know, end of the finger that got blocked /down, but/,454.0040 
421 454.5166you know, they-454.8888 
422DTA_se2_ag3_m_02455.2428[Mm-hm.]455.6272
423DTA_int_01455.5174[they] r- rigged it up like [that.]456.9492
424DTA_se2_ag3_m_02456.7234[Yeah.]457.2238
425 457.6632See, I can open it up and459.1216
427 459.5304wash my hands and so forth.460.8269 
428DTA_int_01461.3761Hm.461.5675
429DTA_se2_ag3_m_02461.7694Mm-hm.462.2260
430DTA_int_01462.5747Uh.462.9530
432 463.8745Uh. What are your favorite TV programs?465.7598 
433DTA_se2_ag3_m_02466.3700Mine, uh, s- well. My mostly, uh, things I watch now is, uh,470.8926
435 471.1985if I see a472.1087 
437 472.4739adventure program. Something like a-474.4632 
439 475.6364uh,476.2771 
441 478.0895what's his name? Um.479.1313 
443 479.7354Um,480.4676 
445 481.8454Gerald Durrell.482.5893 
447 482.8400His adventure programs like Wildlife.484.8001 
449 485.0686[That's what] I like.485.8741 
450DTA_int_01485.0686[Oh, yeah.]485.4383
451DTA_se2_ag3_m_02487.0307[Uh.] And if I see uh, a movie on that's got wildlife in it, uh490.8078
452DTA_int_01490.7578Hm.491.0669
453DTA_se2_ag3_m_02490.9979I enjoy that.491.7973
454 492.6742Like, uh, this s- s-493.7360
456 493.8519sportsman's one that was on. I don't know if it's still on or not.496.2135 
458 496.9946But it used to come on Sundays you just have elephant hunts, uh.499.7608 
459DTA_int_01499.7608Oh.500.1025
460DTA_se2_ag3_m_02500.1025Buffalo hunt, or tiger hunt or something like that.502.3636
461 503.4202That503.6289
463 504.0853brings out the best in me.505.1593 
465 505.7145And uh,506.3461 
467 507.0257uh,507.5169 
469 510.3472any real good, uh,511.5382 
471 511.7773uh, mystery I would like, but these- uh513.8471 
473 515.9022these comedies, they don't-516.9075 
475 517.1180don't faze me at all.518.3105 
476DTA_int_01518.4722Uh-huh.518.6858
477DTA_se2_ag3_m_02518.7194I don't519.2076
479 519.4426get carried away with 'em.520.4149 
480DTA_int_01521.2594Do you hunt yourself?522.2079
481DTA_se2_ag3_m_02522.8548No, I haven't done any hunting. I like to fish.525.1761
482DTA_int_01525.3378Uh-huh.525.5850
484 526.1110Where do you fish around here?526.9837 
485DTA_se2_ag3_m_02527.3804Well, I just bought me some Canadian fishing license this summer, [and uh,]531.6143
486DTA_int_01531.0255[Oh.]531.3504
487DTA_se2_ag3_m_02532.8043we went over533.4547
489 533.7895first part of my vacation, I had a week off. I536.1547 
491 536.7780took536.9214 
493 537.0953the two kids and I538.3091 
495 538.6478and uh, his- one of his pals540.1150 
497 540.6891and we went over, bought my license and we went down to a spot there.544.2313 
499 544.8675Not too far from the ridge.546.1245 
501 547.1729And, uh,547.8288 
503 548.7751my daughter caught the only fish.550.1795 
504DTA_int_01550.2710[Oh. (laughing) ]551.1320
505DTA_se2_ag3_m_02550.6973[Little- She's] seven years old.552.2755
506DTA_int_01552.4686[<laugh>]554.8965
507DTA_se2_ag3_m_02552.6486[The only fish we caught that day.]554.0579
509 554.6242[And /they/] brought 'em back,555.5426 
510 556.1727I had a little basin there, I was prepared to catch a boat load of fish. I say, I heard so much about Canada f-561.3392
512 561.4978Canadian fishing,562.3765 
514 563.1989that you563.7786 
516 563.9922guaranteed to fishing, but we didn't go too far. But anyway, we had a ba- I had the basin there.567.9465 
518 568.3939And they put this little- it was about this long,570.3252 
520 571.3090fish and it looks like a sun fish,572.9962 
522 573.5066and I573.7903 
524 573.9063put it in the574.4555 
526 574.7758basin there and575.4877 
528 575.5976fill it up with water.576.4458 
530 576.5800It stayed alive577.5258 
531DTA_int_01577.7129[Huh.]577.9939
532DTA_se2_ag3_m_02577.8554[brought] him back here578.6548
533 578.7738put him on the back porch.579.7440
535 580.0719And they made a pet out of him.581.1001 
536DTA_int_01581.7064[Oh no. (laughing)]582.3656
537DTA_se2_ag3_m_02581.9654[But.]582.3656
538 582.6036I didn't realize after a while, I just said, well I didn't f-584.7977
540 585.2279have the feelings to kill him to eat him.587.1315 
542 587.2047After they were just588.1169 
544 588.3324every morning, they'd go right-589.4473 
546 589.6987they wake up out of the bed,590.7330 
548 591.0809they would head right for the591.9939 
550 592.1557back porch to see what he was doing. He's swimming around /in his space/.]594.7642 
552 595.2044But he was out of his own elements. See, I mean the water didn't have the nutrients or whatever you [call]599.8469 
553DTA_int_01599.6625[Uh-huh.]599.8469
554DTA_se2_ag3_m_02600.1498that kept him alive and he601.3678
556 602.1276kind of fight and he died.603.4006 
557DTA_int_01603.6355Huh.603.8338
558DTA_se2_ag3_m_02603.9894Yeah, we were p-604.5736
560 604.6591sad, we were so sad.605.9924 
561DTA_int_01606.2471<laugh> A funeral bell and everything?607.8900
562DTA_se2_ag3_m_02607.9205Yeah, I told her I-609.0643
564 609.3115I said I buried your little fish.611.1147 
566 611.4198She said where'd you bury it? I say, I won't tell you because every time you see that spot, you615.2504 
568 615.3601probably wouldn't feel too good.616.8770 
569DTA_int_01617.0479Huh.617.2706
570DTA_se2_ag3_m_02618.0351Told her618.5935
572 619.3529So I,619.8520 
574 620.0460you know, fold him up, put him in the garbage, you know.622.1833 
575DTA_int_01622.4612Oh yeah.622.7980
577 623.8003Um.624.1340 
579 624.6330Do you have a pet around the house here?626.1099 
580DTA_se2_ag3_m_02626.2153No.626.5709
581DTA_int_01626.6564Uh-huh.626.9772
582DTA_se2_ag3_m_02627.6098[B-]627.8042
583DTA_int_01627.6327[Do you] remember a pet that you had, maybe when you were a [boy]?630.0991
584DTA_se2_ag3_m_02630.0420[I] had a pet bra- rabbit once631.8050
585 631.9462when I was real young.633.4764
587 634.2157And uh.634.9242 
589 635.9845Never636.4849 
591 637.7261forget it because,638.7940 
593 638.9160I ha- we were living in-640.0091 
595 640.2258out in Hamtramck,641.2235 
597 641.7060we were living in this multiple dwelling, we lived on the back644.2011 
599 644.7203part of the dwelling.645.5990 
601 646.5418And, uh,647.1917 
603 648.2457I had a pet rabbit. It was given to me650.3223 
605 650.7412by a store man, I think it was. I can't remember.653.3465 
607 653.6638But, anyway,654.2588 
609 654.6768I had him on the back porch.656.0406 
611 656.6683And I was trying to throw a uh, s-658.2494 
613 658.8321dust pan or something, a little shovel or something660.8838 
615 661.4849up on the back porch. And I threw it up there.663.7955 
617 664.2776It hit the little rabbit and killed him.665.8882 
619 666.0682[Just] like that.666.7729 
620DTA_int_01666.0682[Oh.]666.2975
621DTA_se2_ag3_m_02667.7248I never /will/ forget it.668.9068
623 669.3797And from then on, I never did have too much for eating rabbits, but a lot of people like673.0191 
625 673.8443wild rabbit, right. Today I don't have a676.2234 
627 677.1936uh, you know a yearn- a /yin/ for679.2946 
629 679.4991rabbit.679.9874 
630DTA_int_01680.3107Huh.680.4907
631DTA_se2_ag3_m_02680.7379Um, because of that.681.7348
633 682.8613Yeah.683.2305 
635 683.4776That's the only pet. I had a little /dog/-685.5076 
637 686.3276dogs, you know, but uh, never did have a688.3857 
639 688.4894great attachment for dogs. I don't know why.690.4791 
641 691.0589Even today, I don't-692.0134 
643 692.7688my wife had a693.7568 
644DTA_int_01695.0237Mm.695.2007
645DTA_se2_ag3_m_02695.5088Least the neighbor a couple doors down gave us one of their puppies and uh,699.1093
647 700.0651and um,700.9133 
649 701.4433kept him down. We're trying to train him and everything, of course I was all out by all four trying to train him.706.1166 
651 706.7580But my wife, she lost patience with his little708.8571 
653 709.2396things he would do, you know.710.4570 
654DTA_int_01710.6065Yeah.710.8850
655DTA_se2_ag3_m_02711.0214She couldn't get accustomed to it, and so713.2610
657 714.0380we had to give him away.715.0997 
658DTA_int_01715.5311Hm.715.7051
659DTA_se2_ag3_m_02716.0346The kids were uh, they liked it, but she just didn't have the patience.719.2200
660DTA_int_01719.6167Yeah.719.8181
661DTA_se2_ag3_m_02719.8728Right then.720.3642
662DTA_int_01721.0952Cleaning up after [/inaudible/]722.0208
663DTA_se2_ag3_m_02721.7969[Yeah.]722.1975
664DTA_int_01722.2853[<laugh>]722.8604
665DTA_se2_ag3_m_02722.3731[Yeah.]722.8986
666 723.0207Yeah, but it's a- it's a-724.5401
668 725.6157you know, it's something you gotta keep after, you know, just like children.728.5659 
669DTA_int_01728.8039Yeah.728.9426
670DTA_se2_ag3_m_02728.9426You gotta train 'em, but she just didn't.730.8790
671 731.6820She would732.0115
673 732.4513make her so mad. [<laugh>]734.2523 
674DTA_int_01733.7398[Yeah.]734.1912
675DTA_se2_ag3_m_02734.8863Yeah.735.2463
676DTA_int_01736.4478Um. Is-737.1435
678 737.3265uh,737.7354 
680 737.9002when you were a kid, do you remember any ways that- well.740.1802 
682 740.7843after you got older, I suppose you didn't believe it, but.743.0037 
684 743.6017Uh. Some ways that you used to be able to get a wish?745.5544 
686 747.0629Uh,747.3699 
688 747.5520well, some kind of magical ways that.749.3561 
690 751.2110Probably your751.8794 
691DTA_se2_ag3_m_02751.9453From the [parents-] parents you mean?753.7530
692DTA_int_01752.3585[/inaudible/]752.8195
693 753.9238Yeah. Or any things that you used to do like755.9739
694DTA_se2_ag3_m_02755.9739Yeah, well n-756.8590
695 757.2251[Well I] used to have a lot of faith in God, uh, like I still do.760.6221
696DTA_int_01757.2251[Mm-hm.]757.5761
697DTA_se2_ag3_m_02761.0553And uh,761.6228
699 762.3429they had a763.0324 
701 763.3374stadium down there, they called it Roseink Stadium out in Hamtramck. That's where I was766.9316 
703 767.1696rai- I was born in Georgia, but I was raised up in Hamtramck.770.1696 
704DTA_int_01770.3344Hm.770.6334
705DTA_se2_ag3_m_02771.3769So, they had a stadium down there. The Roseink Stadium used to sell pop and hot dog and everything and they had776.1526
707 776.4516different teams777.3960 
709 778.0429play.778.4822 
711 778.9826That was way back in780.2883 
713 781.1121early781.8261 
715 782.9713thirties, I guess.783.7158 
717 784.4197Uh.785.0034 
719 785.8149So, I went there, I was real young, so787.9418 
721 788.4178I was always trying to get a job selling pop.790.3625 
723 791.1308So, um.791.9166 
725 792.4040Speaking about the magic wish,793.6427 
726DTA_int_01793.9845<laugh>794.2479
727DTA_se2_ag3_m_02794.2479uh,794.8054
728 796.0567the guy said, um797.3381
730 798.8517so, we were about four or five of us wanted a job.801.2041 
732 801.7044So, the guy that took care of the s-803.6754 
734 803.9439the uh, concessioner,805.3047 
736 805.8858he said, well, uh.806.8378 
738 807.2911I'm'a flip a coin,808.3590 
740 808.9485and see which one of you guys810.6963 
742 812.1630uh,812.7403 
744 812.8432will be able to sell the pop.814.1492 
746 816.4714I wasn't-817.3074 
748 817.8283I had God's name in there somewhere.819.7077 
750 822.8935I forgot how it was, but anyways, I said, God's name had three letters in it.826.3746 
752 827.4540And I cho- I can't remember now, but I knew this830.0840 
754 831.2711m- what it was.832.1865 
756 835.5408I can't remember that one at all.837.2409 
758 837.7307It was something about um, I knew the guy- that's the way I- uh, this one that came true to me.842.2070 
760 842.6341I can't think how it went, but844.0992 
762 844.3066I just thought about God's name having847.0744 
764 847.4650three letters.848.2338 
766 849.3098And I used this to get the /?/ and I got the job.852.2201 
767DTA_int_01852.4459Hm.852.6916
768DTA_se2_ag3_m_02853.2962But I can't think of what the question is right now, right off hand.856.3985
770 856.9431Well,857.3875 
772 857.5639how it went.858.2382 
774 858.3909You know, I don't think it was just for heads or tails, but something else.861.5018 
775DTA_int_01863.0456Two out of three or something like that?864.4538
776DTA_se2_ag3_m_02864.6192Something in that order.865.7742
777DTA_int_01865.9336Had something to do with three.867.0028
778DTA_se2_ag3_m_02867.0626Yeah.867.4920
780 867.7533This s- ca- this was uh,869.2555 
782 869.4691wish that I got.870.3417 
784 870.8550I never forget, it'll come to me.872.5911 
786 875.3493Can't think of it right off hand.876.8199 
787DTA_int_01877.3979Well, we can go back to that if you remember, [I guess.]880.0446
788DTA_se2_ag3_m_02879.4434[Yeah.]880.0446
789DTA_int_01880.6037Uh,880.9241
791 881.9385can you tell me, uh can you remember what your school, some of the things that you studied and886.7470 
792DTA_se2_ag3_m_02887.7860Mm-hm.888.2314
793DTA_int_01888.3047some of the cour- classes you had in school?890.6939
794DTA_se2_ag3_m_02890.9441[Mm-hm.]891.3439
795DTA_int_01890.9990[Let's say,] probably in grade school- elementary school?893.5388
796DTA_se2_ag3_m_02896.3391Uh, let's see. Elementary school, uh,898.8288
798 900.0660let me think back to901.2691 
800 901.5492/good/ that uh.902.4706 
802 907.1953Mm. I can't think too much in the909.0734 
804 909.7935elementary and um.911.5631 
806 914.6462Arithmetic was a915.7263 
808 915.8544problem with me.916.7436 
810 917.7261I know that.918.5194 
812 920.5424Uh,921.0690 
814 922.5844art classes, I enjoyed924.3907 
816 925.7490very well.926.4446 
817DTA_int_01926.8774Hm.927.1082
818DTA_se2_ag3_m_02927.7749Science.928.5072
820 929.0726/unintelligible/929.9377 
822 931.0849Um.931.7134 
823DTA_int_01935.8656Did you study about other- other countries and.938.3919
824DTA_se2_ag3_m_02939.0753Oh yeah, in, uh,940.2375
826 940.6158geography and so forth. Um.942.3915 
828 944.3322Mind's a little blank, for going back this far.946.8027 
829DTA_int_01946.8576Yeah. (laughing)947.4556
831 947.9797Been a [little]948.3038 
832DTA_se2_ag3_m_02948.2428[Uh.]948.8530
833 949.1680Yeah, well we had950.1478
835 950.2626[study] geography and952.1459 
836DTA_int_01950.3616[/so long/.]950.7729
837DTA_se2_ag3_m_02953.4760the l- atlas.954.9161
839 956.0260Map showing and so forth.957.5333 
840DTA_int_01957.9116Did you study about early America and959.6751
842 959.8556anything like [this.]960.7920 
843DTA_se2_ag3_m_02960.5756[Oh yeah.]961.1492
844 961.4421Yeah.961.9594
845DTA_int_01962.0998Mm-hm.962.4002
847 962.6382What class was that in?963.5352 
848DTA_se2_ag3_m_02964.2977Well.964.7370
850 966.3755Well, let's see.967.2052 
852 972.5542<ts> I don't know whether that was in junior high school or in e- you're speaking of a- a- all.976.2676 
853DTA_int_01976.1140[Well] I'm- I'm thinking mo- I'm [thinking more or less,]978.4101
854DTA_se2_ag3_m_02977.3389[More than elementary?]978.3047
855DTA_int_01978.7701like in the- like you mentioned geography and- and arithmetic and things like this.982.8576
856DTA_se2_ag3_m_02983.0285Mm-hm.983.5362
857DTA_int_01983.5362Uh. And I'm interested in more terms like this, you know, some specific classes.987.9325
858DTA_se2_ag3_m_02988.5568Mm-hm.989.1096
860 993.8404Well, I remember. Well, I don't really know if this was in junior high or what, but I remember uh, it was in history. I read, um, the Dred-999.6937 
862 999.8283Dred Scott Case. Uh.1001.4593 
864 1002.1985But, uh.1002.8358 
866 1004.5296Well, they had played a bi- Dred Scott played a big part in- um,1008.1723 
868 1009.4090in the slavery1010.6056 
870 1011.0088uh, abol- abolition. What now, what it was about.1013.4747 
871DTA_int_011013.1663[Mm-hm.] Yeah. That's right.1014.0339
872DTA_se2_ag3_m_021014.7363Something /there um/,1015.8736
874 1016.6215he was instrumental in um,1018.0197 
876 1020.5263e- adding to this1021.5993 
878 1021.9050the slaves1022.6139 
880 1022.8805freedom.1023.3813 
881DTA_int_011023.5699Mm-hm.1023.8625
882DTA_se2_ag3_m_021023.8625And so forth.1024.6646
883 1026.3815/And then/.1026.9018
884DTA_int_011027.7082From your1028.1784
886 1028.2972uh, from you seat in the- in the- in the classroom,1030.6234 
888 1031.0786what are some of the things you could see1032.5325 
890 1032.7226in the room1033.4003 
892 1033.5694that were- that you can remember?1035.0064 
893DTA_se2_ag3_m_021035.4421Some- from where I was sitting?1036.9308
894DTA_int_011036.9967Yeah.1037.2645
895DTA_se2_ag3_m_021040.5561Windows for one. (laughing)1042.0873
897 1042.5231I always be looking out a window for [the most-] I think it was in a science class because it was1047.1024 
898DTA_int_011044.2856[<laugh>]1044.9178
899DTA_se2_ag3_m_021047.5771science class were located right by the handball. We had handball courts in /RD-SCHOOL-4/. This was my elementary school.1053.7661
901 1054.5027And there always be some activity down there, I remember looking out1057.5528 
903 1058.1121the windows and we had a flag up in there1060.6834 
905 1061.3223in the center of the room, I remember that.1063.2798 
906DTA_int_011063.7933Uh-huh.1064.1198
907DTA_se2_ag3_m_021064.5285Uh.1064.8731
909 1065.4439And arts-1066.0648 
911 1066.5536art class there.1067.6421 
913 1068.3363Uh.1069.0192 
915 1069.9362We did a lot of engraving. We used to have a1072.5581 
917 1073.4946little piece of linoleum1074.8826 
919 1075.6809of1076.2584 
921 1076.7462squares cut out and we would1078.0778 
923 1078.6436engrave1079.2680 
925 1079.6322you know, from a picture.1080.6426 
927 1081.3904We would engrave, uh,1082.5220 
929 1082.7757pictures out of this linoleum with little special tools1085.4567 
930DTA_int_011085.6713Oh, yeah.1086.0290
931DTA_se2_ag3_m_021086.2696uh, from1086.9785
933 1087.2480one design, you know.1088.2560 
935 1089.5177And we had a guy there, his name was /RD-NAME-2/, he was a Polish fella,1092.6845 
937 1093.4695and um,1094.1133 
939 1094.7831that guy could.1095.6221 
941 1096.2074I guess I was around eleven I guess.1097.8571 
943 1098.3968He was around the same-1099.1968 
945 1099.5239He could really draw. He could take like Maggie and Jiggs in the comic /scripts/,1103.5684 
946DTA_int_011103.6167Yeah.1103.8757
947DTA_se2_ag3_m_021104.1779he could draw the exact image of any1107.1044
949 1107.6962cartoon in the paper.1108.8538 
951 1109.6802But was something wrong with him, he had um,1111.4427 
953 1112.7553epileptic1113.4186 
954DTA_int_011113.9909Oh.1114.3941
955DTA_se2_ag3_m_021114.4201seizures or something. It would- he would1115.9094
957 1116.3386go off into a trance or something like that, I'll never forget it.1118.9346 
959 1119.7592But talk about a gift.1121.1296 
961 1122.2407He had it.1122.8195 
962DTA_int_011123.0152Hm.1123.2883
963DTA_se2_ag3_m_021123.6005I never would hap- wonder happened to /RD-NAME-2/. He-1125.8120
965 1127.1210Just the exact, you thought he was a1129.0238 
967 1129.6889what his name? Al Capp? Who draws Popeye, /to who'll/1132.1542 
968DTA_int_011132.1542Yeah. Yeah.1132.6973
969DTA_se2_ag3_m_021133.1305/The/ exactness.1134.2365
970DTA_int_011134.5486Hm.1134.7811
971DTA_se2_ag3_m_021134.7811Mickey Mouse.1135.6112
972 1136.1160did a l- his hand was so sure1138.2478
974 1138.8787you couldn't tell it .1139.6225 
976 1140.3101Usually, I thought maybe when you saw him drawing he'd say, well this is the rough draft for the1143.8763 
978 1144.0489real thing.1144.6223 
979DTA_int_011144.6662Huh.1144.9077
980DTA_se2_ag3_m_021145.4784Yeah.1145.8222
982 1146.3402I never will forget that. This was in art class.1148.6556 
983DTA_int_011148.7220[/inaudible/]1149.1544
984DTA_se2_ag3_m_021148.9412[And] we used to have, um,1150.2298
985 1151.0268uh, demonstrations, in the gymnasium. Every year we would have demonstrations where we'd1155.2126
987 1155.5845have us1156.0361 
989 1156.1986well, it'd be rela- it's a relation to1157.9621 
991 1158.2156 modern day circuses, you might say.1160.2035 
992DTA_int_011160.2527Uh-huh.1160.5381
993DTA_se2_ag3_m_021160.5688Everybody, every class would have a little something to contribute1163.5661
995 1163.9977to the demonstration. We have music, and we have candy and peanuts1167.3848 
997 1167.8298and dancing and [so forth and.]1169.4849 
998DTA_int_011168.9185[Kind of a fair huh?]1169.6692
999DTA_se2_ag3_m_021169.8258Yeah. This was uh,1171.0831
1001 1171.1939at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.1172.0348 
1003 1172.9483Uh. I can't think of too much about the- the1176.0181 
1005 1178.5621school work. I can't think too far about1180.9768 
1006DTA_int_011181.6373Hm.1181.8515
1007DTA_se2_ag3_m_021181.9261arithmetic and1183.0834
1009 1184.0076spelling and so forth1185.3257 
1011 1185.7040back in grade school.1186.9671 
1012DTA_int_011187.9966Um. Well, you see, the tea- what would the teacher write on?1190.6571
1013DTA_se2_ag3_m_021193.2202Well, uh.1193.9696
1014DTA_int_011194.3174Uh. She would- might put some work on the.1196.6620
1015DTA_se2_ag3_m_021197.1656On the board.1197.8735
1016DTA_int_011198.0687Yeah.1198.3555
1017DTA_se2_ag3_m_021199.5699The [um.]1200.5645
1018DTA_int_011200.0641[And, uh,]1200.4974
1019 1200.7595uh, let's say l- when you uh1202.4471
1021 1202.6085got out of the class1203.5543 
1023 1203.9387and before you left the building, you would-1205.6997 
1025 1205.9193you would go from the class out into the what?1207.5730 
1026DTA_se2_ag3_m_021207.9025The hallway, yeah.1208.8689
1027DTA_int_011208.8872Uh-huh.1209.1008
1029 1209.3906Can you remember some of the things that were in the hallway?1211.2328 
1030DTA_se2_ag3_m_021212.3312Yeah, we have lockers. We had lockers in the-1214.5487
1032 1214.7318in the hallway.1215.4274 
1034 1215.6471[Yeah.]1215.8546 
1035DTA_int_011215.6471[Uh-huh.]1215.8857
1036DTA_se2_ag3_m_021216.1048No we didn't. No we didn't.1217.4089
1038 1217.6286We had our lockers, were in the back of each home room.1220.1981 
1039DTA_int_011220.4727Oh?1220.7107
1040DTA_se2_ag3_m_021221.0951Yeah.1221.4674
1042 1221.8823Uh. Not a locker, but just hangers.1223.5808 
1043DTA_int_011223.7212[Yeah.]1223.8920
1044DTA_se2_ag3_m_021223.8615[We] would hang out clothes and1225.1330
1045 1225.6394see, we would have these different classes, we would always have to come back to our1228.9264
1047 1229.4756home room to get our1230.4437 
1049 1231.3407coats and hats.1232.1584 
1051 1233.3191In the hallways, we had clock. We had a1235.3300 
1053 1235.6656clock up in the wall.1236.9043 
1055 1237.8721And the floors were1239.4745 
1057 1241.0367immaculate.1241.7018 
1059 1241.9154Mm-hm. [Real] clean and polished.1243.3103 
1060DTA_int_011242.1873[Uh-huh.]1242.5170
1061 1243.9211What about outside on the playground? Did you have any uh, equipment to play on for the1247.7898
1062DTA_se2_ag3_m_021247.9607Yeah, we had a1248.7295
1064 1249.0410gravel field that we played on. It was all fenced in, we played soccer.1252.7108 
1065DTA_int_011252.9548Mm.1253.2111
1066DTA_se2_ag3_m_021253.2111I remember that.1253.7359
1067 1253.9007We played soccer. Mm-hm.1255.0723
1069 1255.7463That's the one of our main sports there.1257.6867 
1071 1257.8698Uh, there in gym class we'd have1259.3282 
1073 1259.7277soccer games.1260.7102 
1074DTA_int_011261.3204What about kids nowadays? They play on1262.9826
1076 1263.1839a lot of uh1263.8064 
1078 1264.1176equipment,1264.5997 
1080 1264.7343you know, the things built,1265.8138 
1082 1266.3813uh, being- what are some of the things that they play on?1268.5827 
1083DTA_se2_ag3_m_021269.5408You mean um, what we played on [there?]1271.2672
1084DTA_int_011271.2141[Well] no, now, uh, the kids [now.] The playground equipment that they have now.1274.1988
1085DTA_se2_ag3_m_021272.3637[Y-]1272.5612
1086 1275.6017/Oh I don't know/.1276.3340
1088 1280.7085I don't see where they have any- uh, now I know they have the.1283.2273 
1090 1283.5995I know some schools have a little1285.5156 
1092 1285.9319for smalls1287.0486 
1094 1287.2743tots, they have a1288.1225 
1096 1288.8060different type of designs of a- a some for1291.4609 
1098 1291.8271well, swings that have these1293.1380 
1100 1294.3279things they climb on, whatever you call 'em, they're [made out] of metal.1296.8677 
1101DTA_int_011296.0378[Uh-huh.]1296.3429
1102DTA_se2_ag3_m_021297.2705That they can exercise on, I've seen those.1299.6935
1104 1300.3831And uh, swings1301.7342 
1106 1302.4151and slides.1303.4336 
1108 1304.5564We had slides too over- yeah. At the /RD-SCHOOL-4/. [/Now/ I remember.] We did.1309.3981 
1109DTA_int_011308.2021[/inaudible/]1308.7940
1110DTA_se2_ag3_m_021309.8985We had slides over there.1311.0500
1112 1312.0873Mm-hm.1312.4962 
1113DTA_int_011314.0461What about- what would the kids do after school, uh, was out?1316.6743
1115 1317.2296After the bell was rung and [they.]1318.7020 
1116DTA_se2_ag3_m_021318.4627[/?/] the bell rung and everybody would1320.1116
1117 1320.4099go, there would be a1321.6608
1119 1322.3016fight now [and then.]1323.6440 
1120DTA_int_011323.0505[<laugh>]1323.6440
1121DTA_se2_ag3_m_021324.3194Um. We'd make a beeline to the /l-/ nearest candy store there and buy some candy.1329.6144
1123 1330.3847And we'd have a little1331.5403 
1125 1332.4697certain little groups would w- walk home together, every day.1335.4034 
1127 1336.5427Uh.1336.9810 
1128DTA_int_011338.8605Did you ever have a teacher that would yell at the kids a lot?1341.6831
1129DTA_se2_ag3_m_021342.2144Yeah.1342.5730
1130DTA_int_011343.0578Can you tell me about ['em?]1343.8851
1131DTA_se2_ag3_m_021343.6128[Our] principal, Mrs. /RD-NAME-1/. I never will forget her.1346.4097
1132DTA_int_011346.6422What did she used to yell about?1348.0034
1133DTA_se2_ag3_m_021348.1031She was like a Rock of Gibraltar. She was um, more-1351.7592
1135 1353.0277she had more masculine features than the average [woman, but she was] feared by everybody. This was- yeah.1357.8083 
1136DTA_int_011355.1325[<laugh>]1355.9381
1137DTA_se2_ag3_m_021358.5853To hear her, Mrs. /RD-NAME-1/ walking down the hall,1360.9943
1139 1361.3197you could hear a pin drop. This true.1362.8696 
1140DTA_int_011362.9891Hm.1363.2548
1141DTA_se2_ag3_m_021363.8459Yeah.1364.2178
1143 1364.5348Mr. /RD-NAME-1/1365.2919 
1145 1365.8099was the1366.4475 
1147 1366.9371principal1367.5680 
1149 1367.9733but Mrs. /RD-NAME-1/ was assistant principal, but she led the whole show.1371.6074 
1150DTA_int_011371.7336Yeah.1371.9262
1151DTA_se2_ag3_m_021372.5173Yes sir. When she walked into a room,1374.3694
1153 1375.0142and to, you know,1375.9639 
1155 1376.4021see wha- how the teacher was coming along.1378.0890 
1157 1378.7199You hear a pin drop.1379.8356 
1158DTA_int_011380.0465Huh.1380.2717
1159DTA_se2_ag3_m_021380.2790And she would take you by the neck or the arm there if you got out of line and1383.6391
1161 1384.2700it- word just got along that Mr. /RD-NAME-1/ is- is- is-1387.0670 
1163 1387.5386is not to be, uh1388.6266 
1165 1388.8324fooled with.1389.3837 
1166DTA_int_011389.5630Hm.1389.7954
1167DTA_se2_ag3_m_021390.1740Yeah, but she was the one I can remember that1392.3833
1169 1392.8416really.1393.3034 
1171 1393.4301Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/1394.4092 
1173 1394.9604another one.1395.5647 
1174DTA_int_011395.8274Yeah.1395.9964
1175DTA_se2_ag3_m_021395.9964But she was1396.5935
1176 1397.2894gentle1397.7745
1178 1397.8928and rough.1398.4152 
1180 1398.8743She's kind1399.7545 
1182 1400.2457but she know how to get rough.1401.3279 
1184 1401.5628I seen her hit a guy with his1402.8283 
1186 1403.1951/with her ha-/1403.6495 
1188 1404.1042fist.1404.3895 
1190 1405.1557It was a big guy though.1406.0241 
1192 1406.4376[In] gym class. She hit him with her fist.1408.3693 
1193DTA_int_011406.4376[Huh.]1406.6239
1194DTA_se2_ag3_m_021409.1423Mrs. /RD-NAME-1/, she res- she um1410.7843
1196 1411.2277you probably read about her.1412.2830 
1198 1413.5101She manage all the tennis, uh,1415.3471 
1200 1415.8959out in Hamtramck.1416.6752 
1201DTA_int_011417.0689Oh.1417.4465
1202DTA_se2_ag3_m_021417.5000You might re- /RD-NAME-3/ is her name.1419.1807
1203DTA_int_011419.4377I'm not-1419.8238
1205 1419.9786not familiar with [her.]1420.7058 
1206DTA_se2_ag3_m_021420.6613[Yeah] she's gotten one might be going to the Olympic games or something like. Yeah.1423.8788
1207 1424.3661Yeah.1424.7370
1209 1424.8425/RD-NAME-3/, uh-huh, [she's]1426.3804 
1210DTA_int_011425.9136[Hm.]1426.2165
1211DTA_se2_ag3_m_021427.3136still out there.1428.1346
1213 1428.3655But she was our gym teacher.1429.6734 
1214DTA_int_011429.8450Is that [right?]1430.3016
1215DTA_se2_ag3_m_021430.1640[But um.] Yeah. Well, she would-1431.6855
1216 1432.0631she was ju- she was firm but uh,1434.4533
1218 1435.0825she was kind and gentle, you know. If you got outta line, you were gonna get it.1437.7559 
1219DTA_int_011437.9974Hm.1438.2078
1221 1438.6823What about the best teacher that you ever had?1440.2540 
1222DTA_se2_ag3_m_021441.9478Best teacher I-1442.6269
1224 1443.0440over in the elementary school I can remember.1445.2809 
1225DTA_int_011445.4191Or in high school or any.1446.5387
1226DTA_se2_ag3_m_021448.2262Oh, the best1448.9634
1228 1449.2392teacher I remember is a Mr.-1450.8258 
1230 1452.3064well, this was in music there when I was in- Mr. /RD-NAME-2/.1454.8780 
1231DTA_int_011455.0865Hm.1455.3323
1232DTA_se2_ag3_m_021456.0523Yeah. [He was]1456.8352
1233DTA_int_011456.4519[What did you like] about him?1457.4704
1234DTA_se2_ag3_m_021457.3445[Well] of course, he was in junior high. Oh he was just, take so much patience with you.1460.9327
1235 1461.5803You know.1461.9776
1237 1462.4516He encouraged me. I-1463.4171 
1239 1463.7754I'm a-1464.3132 
1241 1464.8299I took up drums, you know.1466.1857 
1242DTA_int_011466.4231Oh yeah.1466.7787
1243DTA_se2_ag3_m_021466.8091When I was in junior high school,1468.2755
1245 1469.0386he encouraged me so much.1470.3705 
1247 1471.0049Um,1471.4044 
1249 1472.1120just y- I mean, just had some-1473.5345 
1251 1474.0512something about him that you- uh, you,1475.9264 
1253 1476.1722I don't know he just-1476.9397 
1255 1477.3941you learn everything. Just the way he approached you.1479.6095 
1257 1479.7368You know.1480.0507 
1258DTA_int_011480.2571Mm-hm.1480.4415
1259DTA_se2_ag3_m_021480.4415He learned me how to- the rudiments of1482.3134
1260 1482.4275drums and everything1483.4738
1262 1483.9282in junior high school.1485.1114 
1264 1485.7941And when I graduated from junior high and went to uh, high school,1488.8585 
1266 1490.1273he1490.5443 
1268 1491.0295in my last two years of high school, he came over there1493.7575 
1270 1494.0341and [he was] our1494.9088 
1271DTA_int_011494.1425[Uh-huh.]1494.4542
1272DTA_se2_ag3_m_021495.3456instructor over there.1496.6561
1274 1497.3243And um,1497.9762 
1276 1498.9811oh he just a kind and considerate person.1501.3296 
1277DTA_int_011501.7115Mm-hm.1502.0057
1278DTA_se2_ag3_m_021502.0057Mr. /RD-NAME-2/, I never will forget him. He just so gentle with everybody, you know.1505.8823
1279 1506.6448If you got-1507.3198
1281 1508.1093if you did something wrong, if you got, uh, off on the wrong beat, he wouldn't throw a baton at you like I've seen1513.3581 
1282DTA_int_011513.5337Yeah.1513.7752
1283DTA_se2_ag3_m_021513.7884Miss [/RD-NAME-1/],1514.2683
1284DTA_int_011514.0108[/?/]1514.2049
1285DTA_se2_ag3_m_021514.6656one of our instructors, did.1515.9495
1287 1516.9014He would just, you know,1517.8184 
1289 1518.4592talk to you, you might have to stay after1520.0431 
1291 1520.7201uh, come after school a- and- and brush up on this, [but.]1523.4570 
1292DTA_int_011523.3340[Mm-hm.]1523.6150
1293DTA_se2_ag3_m_021524.9677That's the only one that I can remember was a- that I can.1527.3947
1295 1528.8971This back in nineteen1530.0294 
1297 1531.0501thirty-nine, nineteen forty.1532.4169 
1298DTA_int_011532.5925Who was the- did you ever have a teacher that you just1534.5991
1300 1534.8765really couldn't get along with at all?1536.5470 
1302 1537.3570Had a hard time getting along with?1538.7533 
1303DTA_se2_ag3_m_021541.0534No, I think I got along with-1542.2020
1305 1542.6717pretty well.1543.2227 
1307 1543.6568I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not the one these people /unintelligible/,1546.1617 
1309 1546.5763I'm- I'm like this today, I can't, uh, well.1548.7506 
1311 1549.1370I'm- I usually take things as they come.1550.8118 
1313 1551.1310You know, I-1551.6754 
1315 1552.3559she's hard, she's hard. Well, I just1553.8653 
1317 1554.7653stay to myself. I was always that type of individual, you know.1557.5471 
1318DTA_int_011557.6668Mm-hm.1557.9076
1319DTA_se2_ag3_m_021558.3467But, uh, there's1559.1462
1321 1559.2889several that I d- you know, just didn't care-1561.6569 
1323 1561.9497particularly care for.1563.0165 
1324DTA_int_011563.2525Mm-hm.1563.5082
1325DTA_se2_ag3_m_021563.8924But I j- I just got along pretty good generally with1566.2412
1327 1566.3202most of the1566.9349 
1329 1567.1280teachers.1567.5399 
1330DTA_int_011568.2533What about- wa- was there any time that the kids in the class pulled a trick on the teacher or-1571.9527
1332 1572.6902You remember?1573.2412 
1333DTA_se2_ag3_m_021576.5918No.1576.8574
1335 1577.6872No, I don't think we had an- had any- I- I don't think remember any time we had any monkeyshines and-1582.1000 
1336DTA_int_011582.3834Hm.1582.5656
1337DTA_se2_ag3_m_021584.1044[No.]1584.4271
1338DTA_int_011584.1856[/inaudible/] With Mrs. /RD-NAME-3/, if I- [/inaudible/]1586.4326
1339DTA_se2_ag3_m_021586.0866[Not- not] in that element. [No.]1588.0562
1340DTA_int_011587.9612[<laugh>]1588.5852
1341DTA_se2_ag3_m_021589.1394Mm-hm.1589.5741
1342DTA_int_011589.6092Um.1590.0011
1344 1590.4736Who wa- can you remember who was the smartest kid in the class?1593.3034 
1345DTA_se2_ag3_m_021595.7474Yeah. I can't think of his name.1597.3329
1347 1598.2117He was a r- brainy1599.6035 
1349 1599.6869type1599.9475 
1351 1600.4471fella, he was1601.1219 
1353 1601.2295Polish fella too.1602.1998 
1355 1602.4215This was in high school.1603.7119 
1357 1604.6652He was a-1605.1832 
1359 1606.0262I wouldn't say he was /brainy/ but he was real smart.1607.9378 
1361 1609.1117Uh, I can't think [of his-]1610.2795 
1362DTA_int_011610.0337[What did he-] what did he do that was so, uh,1611.7129
1363 1611.8858what did- was he uh.1612.7024
1365 1612.8923Mm.1613.0152 
1366DTA_se2_ag3_m_021613.1733Well, he was very studious.1614.2780
1368 1614.5019He always-, uh, he did his homework,1616.3521 
1370 1617.0084and when he came- when he came back to class, um,1619.6662 
1372 1620.4784he's be prepared.1621.3858 
1374 1621.6185All the time. And any question that the teacher would1623.7637 
1376 1623.9442a- would ask,1624.8596 
1378 1624.9628he would be the first to raise his hand1626.5990 
1380 1626.9392and give an- an accurate answer.1628.9434 
1381DTA_int_011629.2880Hm.1629.4639
1382DTA_se2_ag3_m_021629.7295Uh.1630.1708
1383DTA_int_011631.8264Was he very popular among the other kids [too?]1634.3300
1384DTA_se2_ag3_m_021634.2927[He] wasn't popular.1635.3038
1385DTA_int_011635.6045Uh-huh.1635.8241
1386DTA_se2_ag3_m_021636.2850He was just, uh,1637.1291
1388 1637.4144smart.1637.9676 
1390 1638.1698He wasn't a good looking guy or nothing like that, he1640.3219 
1392 1640.7675in some way, you might say, he act a little silly once in a while among the kids, but1644.3212 
1394 1644.9863they would-1645.2980 
1396 1645.9788they would, uh,1646.7756 
1398 1646.9133rib him once in a while and all that, but it never fazed him. Never bothered him. He1650.7622 
1399DTA_int_011650.9447Hm.1651.1598
1400DTA_se2_ag3_m_021651.2257kept with his books.1652.1103
1402 1652.8424Yeah, but he was al- he was always attentive to1655.3007 
1404 1655.6804class, whatever the homework is supposed to be.1657.5683 
1406 1658.0778And1658.4071 
1408 1659.1842well, he was really a-1660.3558 
1409DTA_int_011663.3256Hm.1663.4683
1410DTA_se2_ag3_m_021663.4880I would just call a bookworm1664.9074
1411DTA_int_011665.0843Yeah.1665.3345
1412DTA_se2_ag3_m_021665.5298[Yeah.]1665.9203
1413DTA_int_011665.5353[Who was the] uh, some1666.6910
1414 1666.9215who was the dumbest kid in the class? Or the kid who had the most trouble with, uh,1669.8276
1416 1671.8142ki- getting [along with the /inaudible/]1673.5313 
1417DTA_se2_ag3_m_021672.5114[Well one of 'em was this one that's just]1673.7865
1418 1674.0057the kid I told you that Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/ socked.1676.3002
1419DTA_int_011676.5592Oh.1676.8578
1420DTA_se2_ag3_m_021677.6340He was a big guy, he was bigger for his age. He was the biggest guy in the class.1681.2472
1421DTA_int_011681.6006Hm.1681.7812
1422DTA_se2_ag3_m_021681.8383But he would never-1682.7449
1424 1683.6819his name was Eddie, I forget his last name was.1685.7259 
1426 1686.3976But he would never, uh,1687.5561 
1428 1688.2607He'd never do anything right, he would never have his homework, or nothing like that. And he-1691.5829 
1430 1692.2076He was a tough guy, you know, he was real tough and he didn't-1695.1802 
1432 1695.9143he just went to school because maybe his parents-1697.8875 
1434 1697.9884parents1698.3232 
1436 1698.4527said you got to get out of the house and go. Well, that's one of those things.1701.0136 
1437DTA_int_011701.3962Hm.1701.5838
1438DTA_se2_ag3_m_021702.0645Mm-hm.1702.5036
1440 1703.4562[Uh.]1704.1126 
1441DTA_int_011703.7089[And, uh,]1704.1447
1442 1704.2729was the teacher- how'd the teacher react to him? M- or the teachers in general, were they-1708.2598
1443DTA_se2_ag3_m_021708.9109Well, um,1709.8482
1445 1710.4651they would more or less- to me, they would more or less, uh1712.5990 
1447 1713.4389take him for granted, cause he was- he stood out. You know, it's like, you're big and /then/1716.3305 
1449 1716.8381out of all the little kids and, uh,1718.5788 
1451 1719.4835he would- they would ask sh- I remember the teacher would ask him something and he would uh,1722.8665 
1453 1724.0071uh, you know, the- the heck with you attitude. [And uh.] /It's them-/ something like that.1728.0413 
1454DTA_int_011726.4302[Yeah.]1726.7536
1455DTA_se2_ag3_m_021728.5293And they'd just- teacher would come to a point where they would1730.9265
1457 1731.5195just ignore him, [see.]1732.8807 
1458DTA_int_011732.5626[Hm.]1732.8311
1459DTA_se2_ag3_m_021733.7766And they'd fail him in different-1735.8395
1461 1736.0458every time the semester end.1737.5956 
1463 1738.0942Sometimes he would pass, I guess it was1739.8456 
1465 1740.3439pass him just to get rid of him [sometime.]1742.3124 
1466DTA_int_011741.9416[Uh-huh.]1742.4115
1467DTA_se2_ag3_m_021742.6181Or something like that. But he was-1744.1393
1469 1745.3431he was a good athlete though, he could play baseball1747.5223 
1471 1748.0370real good.1748.5112 
1472DTA_int_011748.8951[Hm.]1749.0842
1473DTA_se2_ag3_m_021748.9063[Soccer.]1749.4773
1474 1750.2544Yeah.1750.5464
1476 1750.7856Baseball, yeah, he was real good.1752.4067 
1478 1753.3726But uh,1753.9667 
1480 1754.1203s- t-1754.5089 
1482 1754.7306books1755.1776 
1484 1755.3537wasn't for him.1756.0710 
1485DTA_int_011756.3218Huh.1756.4886
1486DTA_se2_ag3_m_021756.9150Mm-hm.1757.3411
1487DTA_int_011757.9360Um.1758.3158
1489 1759.3966What, uh, about what time do-1761.2685 
1491 1761.4814did uh,1762.0983 
1493 1762.3469do the kids get out of school now?1763.7693 
1494DTA_se2_ag3_m_021764.7934Uh, my kids they- um, the um,1767.3142
1496 1768.7364ones in the1769.6825 
1498 1770.1413they're all in /RD-SCHOOL-3/, they get out around three.1772.2848 
1499DTA_int_011772.6756Uh-huh.1772.9060
1500DTA_se2_ag3_m_021773.2990Uh.1774.1134
1502 1774.4132Of course and my son just graduated.1776.2435 
1504 1776.9503They get out,1777.5693 
1506 1777.7318well,1778.2520 
1508 1778.8469sometimes a little, about a half hour early, about two thirty something like that.1782.1986 
1509DTA_int_011782.4543I see.1782.9302
1510DTA_se2_ag3_m_021783.0157Uh-huh.1783.4733
1511DTA_int_011783.6628Uh, we're interested in finding out specific terms you would use for1786.3321
1513 1786.7041um1786.8973 
1515 1787.0839between1787.5032 
1517 1787.7732it would be fifteen minutes after three thirty.1789.8821 
1519 1790.0885What would you use for this?1791.1575 
1520DTA_se2_ag3_m_021792.1195Oh you mean wha- when they get out?1793.4668
1521DTA_int_011793.8685Uh, for- fifteen minutes after three thirty, what time would it be?1796.5137
1522DTA_se2_ag3_m_021798.2958Fifteen minutes after three thirty?1799.5947
1523DTA_int_011799.5947Yeah.1799.8265
1525 1800.2865Quarter.1800.7453 
1526DTA_se2_ag3_m_021801.0263Quarter to four?1801.7787
1527DTA_int_011801.9850Yeah.1802.1628
1528DTA_se2_ag3_m_021802.3494Mm-hm.1802.6721
1530 1803.6476Huh.1803.8605 
1531DTA_int_011803.9069/unintelligible/1804.2364
1532DTA_se2_ag3_m_021804.2496/unintelligible/ Uh-huh.1805.1447
1533DTA_int_011805.9267Um.1806.2999
1535 1806.8228Is there a1807.4002 
1537 1807.7424well, in high school,1808.7329 
1539 1808.9941were there a bunch of guys that you used to hang around with and1811.3767 
1541 1811.9189do things together and have common interests and so forth and?1814.4391 
1542DTA_se2_ag3_m_021815.6553Mm-hm.1816.0685
1544 1816.1585[Yeah.]1816.4617 
1545DTA_int_011816.1967[Can you tell] me about these? Uh.1817.1968
1546 1818.0301[Kind.]1818.2812
1547DTA_se2_ag3_m_021818.0913[Well] um. One was1819.4386
1548 1819.8249fella named1820.3611
1550 1822.0258um,1822.3331 
1552 1822.7414/RD-NAME-3/, he was a1824.0832 
1554 1825.0945very good baritonist,1826.2526 
1556 1826.3437he played baritone very good, he and I used to pal around.1829.3905 
1558 1830.1563And uh1830.8961 
1560 1831.4913fellow named /RD-NAME-4/. He1833.4296 
1562 1833.9054played drums along with me1835.4200 
1564 1835.8612we'd become1836.4904 
1566 1836.7160attached.1837.3268 
1568 1838.8765Uh.1839.5993 
1570 1840.8373In fact, well I mean, I didn't- I didn't- uh,1842.8794 
1572 1843.5373I didn't, um,1844.2069 
1574 1845.3953go out very much until1846.6816 
1576 1847.2370after I graduated. I didn't do too much going around.1849.5548 
1578 1849.9960But we would- the- these, another fella named /RD-NAME-3/-1852.8115 
1580 1853.5450/RD-NAME-4/, I- we would1854.8415 
1582 1855.2827go around together, we would go to1856.7746 
1584 1857.3102circus, once in a while1858.7165 
1586 1859.2949the three of us.1860.0769 
1588 1860.6690And had a lot of fun1861.6986 
1590 1862.3911together.1862.9092 
1592 1863.9897Uh.1864.6175 
1594 1865.8570I wasn't even interested in dancing. When I was eighteen, I wasn't1868.7716 
1595DTA_int_011869.1821Hm.1869.3577
1596DTA_se2_ag3_m_021869.5838interested in that. I didn't start getting interested in girls until um,1872.5041
1598 1873.1363after I come out of the service.1874.3900 
1599DTA_int_011874.6175Hm.1874.7813
1600DTA_se2_ag3_m_021876.1316Uh.1876.7682
1602 1879.0684But uh, you mean during school?1880.6088 
1603DTA_int_011880.8933Yeah.1881.1679
1604DTA_se2_ag3_m_021881.1984During [school.] During high school.1882.9357
1605DTA_int_011881.6832[That's fine.]1882.1836
1606DTA_se2_ag3_m_021883.3972[/Well, we would- we/1883.9021
1607DTA_int_011883.3972[/inaudible/]1883.7518
1608 1884.0799You did some things together and maybe had some interests, you know, common1887.0785
1610 1887.1973interests.1887.6037 
1611DTA_se2_ag3_m_021890.4751Well, this- about the extent of it, we.1892.4244
1612DTA_int_011892.9688Were- were these guys mostly your age, or?1894.7749
1613DTA_se2_ag3_m_021894.9439Yeah. Well, they were-1895.8469
1614DTA_int_011895.8964Hm.1896.1312
1615DTA_se2_ag3_m_021896.1587Well yeah,1896.7577
1617 1896.9122Both of them were. Maybe I was a year older than /RD-NAME-2/.1899.7247 
1619 1900.7169Uh-huh.1901.1383 
1621 1901.6728And /RD-NAME-3/, he and I were the same age.1903.6767 
1623 1904.7178Uh, we-1905.3105 
1625 1906.9456we would- every time we had football, was in the band, you know, we-1909.5855 
1627 1910.1222we had uniforms and every thing. We'd1911.6522 
1629 1911.9025every week there was football game, so the band had1914.1409 
1631 1914.2529to1914.5354 
1633 1915.0673you know how the band plays [before the-]1916.5762 
1634DTA_int_011916.3050[Yeah.]1916.5762
1635DTA_se2_ag3_m_021917.3137and so forth.1918.0733
1637 1918.6445And we went all over city.1920.0363 
1639 1921.2109Playing,1921.6637 
1641 1922.0083following our team, you know, and so forth.1923.7878 
1643 1924.6332And, um,1925.2654 
1645 1925.7749after a football game, we, mm,1927.5925 
1647 1927.8883probably go to1928.9134 
1649 1929.1981White Tower, get a hamburger, something like that.1931.3174 
1651 1932.5672Uh.1933.0210 
1653 1934.2909We played baseball together, the three of us too, during the summer months too.1937.8114 
1654DTA_int_011940.6933Um. What about1941.5327
1656 1941.7149uh,1942.0294 
1658 1942.1281now?1942.6374 
1660 1942.8196Do you still see a lot of the same guys1944.9665 
1662 1945.1004around or?1945.9359 
1664 1946.1312Are you pretty much spread out?1947.6692 
1665DTA_se2_ag3_m_021948.1552Oh, well one fellow I see. /RD-NAME-5/. I forgot to mention him.1951.8625
1667 1952.3937He and I graduated s-1953.6027 
1669 1953.9034together.1954.4555 
1671 1955.1832In the same class.1956.1403 
1673 1956.9217And, uh,1957.7669 
1675 1959.0974I see him1959.8086 
1677 1960.1796quite a bit and he's married now and1961.7236 
1679 1962.0784he comes over once in a while.1963.4306 
1681 1964.0960He and I were r- very close together.1966.1106 
1683 1966.3214In fact, we're very close today. He was only1968.5782 
1685 1968.8345one I would say is, uh,1969.8621 
1687 1970.2222from there, my high school days, that we're1972.1587 
1689 1972.8617uh, still in contact with one another.1974.6755 
1690DTA_int_011975.0002[Hm.]1975.2514
1691DTA_se2_ag3_m_021975.0055[He and] I we1975.6992
1692 1976.5819have little parties- uh, not parties but a little1978.9658
1694 1979.0954get togethers1979.8996 
1696 1980.0752he and his wife and1981.4143 
1698 1981.9951my family1982.8205 
1700 1983.8295And, uh,1984.5582 
1702 1985.6264he was about a year older than I, but he1987.3082 
1704 1987.5197graduated the same time that I did and we had a lot of1989.9125 
1706 1990.6404fun together, we-1991.6768 
1708 1991.7997when I did start to1993.0795 
1710 1993.9318go out, he and I went together1995.6689 
1712 1996.0114when you see him, you would see me.1997.4923 
1713DTA_int_011997.6262Hm.1997.8281
1714DTA_se2_ag3_m_021998.2296And uh, I thought it'd-1999.6279
1716 1999.8367I thought the world of him, you know, and I still do.2001.8452 
1718 2002.4500And his character, he's very popular.2004.3548 
1720 2005.2277Got a nice personality, but he was-2006.9448 
1722 2007.4054he was never pretty dumb2008.6455 
1724 2008.8979in school.2009.5038 
1726 2010.2304But uh2010.7199 
1728 2010.9507popularity, he could dance2012.3314 
1730 2012.8997better than anybody in the school.2014.3089 
1731DTA_int_012014.4626Hm.2014.6580
1732DTA_se2_ag3_m_022015.0202I mean the white girls and the-2016.4786
1734 2016.9286I mean, the white and colored they-2018.1288 
1736 2018.5115he was just popular2019.3611 
1737DTA_int_012019.6574Hm.2019.8176
1738DTA_se2_ag3_m_022019.8176with everybody, just type of popularity he had.2021.9895
1739 2022.8360Yeah.2023.0533
1741 2023.5947And uh.2024.2914 
1742DTA_int_012026.8997What about with the guys that you used to do things with in high school?2029.9046
1744 2030.2514Were- did some of them speak other languages like2032.0352 
1746 2032.1845Polish or Hungarian or German?2034.3445 
1748 2034.4674/inaudible/2035.0890 
1749DTA_se2_ag3_m_022035.0055You mean in school?2035.8682
1750DTA_int_012036.3207Well, I mean that- that- that they could-2037.7489
1752 2038.0035they could speak other languages.2039.2106 
1754 2039.8121Th-2039.9650 
1756 2040.8418N-not necessarily in school, but2042.2698 
1758 2042.6627uh2042.9810 
1760 2043.4263you know,2043.8346 
1762 2044.5964Did they come from like Polish families or Hungarian families where they spoke these languages?2049.1011 
1763DTA_se2_ag3_m_022050.5186You mean just uh, socializing? Or just being in the cla- you know what I mean the- being in the class?2054.8708
1764DTA_int_012054.8708Well that too.2055.5260
1766 2055.7279I mean, but [/inaudible/.]2057.0267 
1767DTA_se2_ag3_m_022056.5579[Well the-] generally, uh2058.1780
1768 2058.2663like I know a lot of Polish myself.2059.9848
1769DTA_int_012060.1418[Mm.]2060.5140
1770DTA_se2_ag3_m_022060.1692[And I]2060.8256
1771 2060.9968picked it up from just being in a Polish town. That is- it is a Polish town out there in [Hamtramck.]2065.2065
1772DTA_int_012064.8430[Mm-hm.]2065.2761
1773DTA_se2_ag3_m_022066.0226Yeah, they'd speak it f-2067.1017
1775 2067.3081frequently you know, and we would2068.7346 
1777 2068.8378talk or-2069.2478 
1779 2069.3487like he would talk to me and2070.7207 
1781 2071.0324you know,2071.4207 
1783 2071.7744Like he said /dzien dobry panu/ (Polish language)2073.4232 
1785 2073.8578[I said-] uh,2074.8489 
1786DTA_int_012073.8578[Mm-hm.]2074.1649
1787DTA_se2_ag3_m_022075.8455He said /dzien dobry/ (Polish language). I said,2077.3459
1789 2078.0563/dobry/, (Polish language)2078.5524 
1791 2078.8444/dobry/, (Polish language)2079.3997 
1793 2080.3381And he said /jak sie masz/ (Polish language), and I said /dobry/. (Polish language)2082.2444 
1794DTA_int_012082.7429Uh-huh.2083.0753
1795DTA_se2_ag3_m_022083.0753I say, /czesc ? panie/ (Polish language)2084.3410
1796 2084.5078You know, how are you.2085.4899
1797DTA_int_012085.7643Uh-huh.2085.9969
1798DTA_se2_ag3_m_022086.2296And I said /dobry/. (Polish language)2087.0418
1800 2087.1988You know.2087.4734 
1802 2088.1026Then we'd say uh,2089.0978 
1804 2089.3415/Idz do domu/ /?/ (Polish language)2090.9001 
1806 2091.0493That means2091.5531 
1807DTA_int_012091.6431Hm.2091.7441
1808DTA_se2_ag3_m_022091.7770go home.2092.3192
1809DTA_int_012092.5456<laugh>2093.1369
1810DTA_se2_ag3_m_022093.4574Yeah.2093.8218
1812 2093.9288/unintelligible/2094.8551 
1814 2095.7812Curse words that he was saying to me.2097.6408 
1816 2098.5518But um.2099.1781 
1817DTA_int_012099.5224That sounds like you2100.3106
1819 2100.6991did alright.2101.0943 
1821 2101.2062<laugh>2101.6760 
1822DTA_se2_ag3_m_022101.6760Yeah, I know quite a bit of 'em, uh2103.4716
1823 2103.9427like he'd say- call you /tis swinia/. (Polish language)2106.4043
1825 2106.8115Say you dirty pig.2107.9398 
1826DTA_int_012108.0913<laugh>2108.5808
1827DTA_se2_ag3_m_022110.4420Know a couple of 'em I think about it2112.1340
1828DTA_int_012112.4322Huh.2112.5858
1829DTA_se2_ag3_m_022113.0841Well, uh, yeah. There's the Polish- um, I don't remember2116.0385
1831 2116.3996any other2117.3457 
1833 2117.9340uh2118.4633 
1835 2119.3875descent2119.9428 
1837 2120.1201that would speak2121.3319 
1839 2121.7878the lang- but the Polish, because that was a2123.7091 
1841 2123.8123Polish2124.2255 
1842DTA_int_012124.3880Oh, yeah.2124.7304
1843DTA_se2_ag3_m_022124.9100town2125.3550
1845 2125.5087out there.2126.0080 
1846DTA_int_012126.9667What about whe- in your group, was there one guy they would kind of consider the ruler- or the2131.0500
1848 2131.1641not the ruler. The leader.2132.3353 
1850 2132.9403And they kind of looked up to him or2134.6999 
1852 2135.1135and uh.2135.6008 
1854 2136.1718Uh.2136.3847 
1856 2136.9291Relied on him for decisions and stuff like this?2139.1833 
1857DTA_se2_ag3_m_022140.6995Well, in high school, I- I guess you would say, I well, you know had a2144.0518
1859 2144.3152guy named /RD-NAME-4/.2145.6899 
1861 2146.7589When he was a-2147.5829 
1863 2149.3651pretty popular. He was pre- pretty good in football.2151.8804 
1865 2153.0104And2153.5723 
1867 2155.1838every time they would have a2156.5056 
1869 2156.7910m- uh,2157.3419 
1871 2158.5913I forget what kind of meetings they called 'em. When you have a general meeting2161.5528 
1873 2162.2187he would be-2162.8224 
1875 2163.5424uh,2163.9397 
1877 2165.2634he would be about, uh, what I would say my uh, estimation, a leader because he would2169.3170 
1879 2169.8328suggest something, everybody would follow him.2171.9404 
1880DTA_int_012172.1805Hm.2172.3210
1881DTA_se2_ag3_m_022172.6876But I think it was2173.4822
1883 2174.0332well not because he had a2175.2790 
1885 2176.7593uh, good decisive power, uh, know2179.1471 
1887 2179.5598what-2179.7112 
1889 2180.9431forthcoming and so forth, but because he was2182.9647 
1891 2183.0437popular,2183.4915 
1892DTA_int_012183.7442Hm.2183.9638
1893DTA_se2_ag3_m_022184.0274you know, and everybody likes the hero, he always2186.8819
1895 2187.2046make a touchdown.2188.0058 
1897 2188.7124Something like that.2189.4148 
1898DTA_int_012189.9263Hm.2190.1477
1899DTA_se2_ag3_m_022190.2772He's the only one I can think of right now.2192.0317
1901 2193.7744Mm-hm.2194.0679 
1902DTA_int_012194.3912Um.2194.6941
1904 2195.0805Now, whe- when you were in, uh, well, let's say in high school, you were-2198.5935 
1906 2199.1706what did you, uh, want to be when you finished2201.1731 
1908 2201.2872your education?2202.2660 
1910 2202.4403/to/2202.6463 
1911DTA_se2_ag3_m_022202.6523I wanted to be a musician.2203.7782
1912DTA_int_012204.1513Uh-huh.2204.3862
1913DTA_se2_ag3_m_022204.5377Mm-hm.2204.8867
1915 2205.4575But I was-2206.3042 
1917 2207.1537I went far with drum- fact, I got a set of drums up in the attic right [now.]2210.8775 
1918DTA_int_012210.7545[Hm.]2211.0048
1919DTA_se2_ag3_m_022211.0334When I bought-2211.7032
1921 2211.8766with my2212.5508 
1923 2212.7906first job I had2213.7167 
1925 2214.5179I paid for it, eleven dollars a week.2216.1738 
1926DTA_int_012216.5382Huh.2216.7380
1927DTA_se2_ag3_m_022216.7781Paid f-2217.0453
1929 2217.5038Mm-hm.2217.8002 
1930DTA_int_012217.8968How long would it have taken to become a2219.5530
1932 2219.8389become a professional musician?2221.3733 
1933DTA_se2_ag3_m_022221.6499Pardon?2221.9509
1934DTA_int_012222.3833How long would have taken to become a [professional musician?]2225.1881
1935DTA_se2_ag3_m_022224.4975[Wouldn't've long] if I had pursued it.2226.3340
1936 2226.9715Uh.2227.4763
1938 2228.4886I lost interest in it when I went in the service. [I- um,]2231.1214 
1939DTA_int_012230.7053[Oh.]2231.0785
1940DTA_se2_ag3_m_022231.9937um,2232.4239
1942 2232.7466I got pretty good with it, you know, I- we had a little2235.3121 
1944 2235.9309temporary band. A little2237.0768 
1946 2237.2063make up band we had2238.3744 
1948 2238.4668from the fellows that were in the- in the um2240.7912 
1950 2241.6029band and orchestra with me.2242.9200 
1951DTA_int_012243.1423[Uh-huh.]2243.3934
1952DTA_se2_ag3_m_022243.3091[we] would meet on2244.1292
1953 2244.4607we met at the /RD-SCHOOL-4/ Junior High School.2247.0317
1954DTA_int_012247.2351Huh.2247.4093
1955DTA_se2_ag3_m_022247.4817And they were nice enough to give us a room for-2249.6675
1957 2250.3305for practice.2251.1808 
1959 2251.8937And we2252.2712 
1961 2252.8288played maybe one or two little parties and that when I got called from some other groups2257.3357 
1963 2258.0996to sit in with 'em, you know, and [play with] 'em, /some/ nights.2260.8712 
1964DTA_int_012259.7068[Hm.]2259.9702
1965DTA_se2_ag3_m_022261.5243But when I went in the service,2262.7250
1967 2263.7444um,2264.1768 
1969 2264.3700went up in Fort Sheridan.2265.4895 
1971 2266.6277Fort Sheridan, Illinois.2267.9777 
1973 2268.0853That's where the in- uh, the um2269.7415 
1975 2270.2376reception center at that time was.2271.9221 
1977 2272.5947Uh,2273.1061 
1979 2273.2507I had the chance to sit in an orchestra and play.2275.7071 
1981 2276.3722And at the same time, I had taken a2277.9782 
1983 2278.1451uh2278.5388 
1985 2278.8132musical test before,2280.0842 
1987 2280.5759to get in the special services.2281.8683 
1989 2282.4873And this was2283.1481 
1991 2283.2534what I had in my mind2284.2604 
1993 2284.4009banked on, you know.2285.2395 
1995 2286.0627And I passed the test and everything, and the- this-2288.7761 
1997 2288.9166the guys that gave me the test, they told me they were-2291.1864 
1999 2291.7332I would be hearing from 'em. This was in-2293.7223 
2001 2294.3589in uh,2295.0504 
2003 2295.8724um,2296.5332 
2005 2297.1829January of nineteen forty-four.2299.2285 
2006DTA_int_012299.6232Hm.2299.9612
2007DTA_se2_ag3_m_022300.4825And uh, so I had my hopes high. Wrote my mother and told 'em about- about it, you know, that I'm-2305.2635
2009 2305.3974I might be able to get into special service into-2307.7723 
2011 2308.9407uh, in the uh2309.9329 
2013 2310.1554band or orchestra with the2311.6623 
2015 2311.7677Army.2312.1826 
2017 2313.6407When I w- uh2314.5435 
2019 2315.2745uh, about2315.9895 
2021 2316.4746I'd say two weeks later2317.8524 
2023 2317.9424we2318.2914 
2025 2318.3858got shipped out down in Camp Lee Virginia.2320.3858 
2027 2320.9434So, uh,2321.6925 
2029 2323.0108we were in the process of learning us how to march2324.9215 
2031 2325.6020you know2325.9568 
2033 2326.0732and so forth.2326.6768 
2035 2327.3397And2327.7876 
2037 2328.1454through our conversation, they- the uh,2330.1188 
2039 2330.6794uh,2331.3072 
2041 2332.0865commander heard that I had2333.2545 
2043 2333.5948little musical2334.2380 
2045 2334.3214training, that I was a drummer.2335.3819 
2046DTA_int_012335.5444Mm-hm2335.7889
2047DTA_se2_ag3_m_022336.1502So he purchased a drum, a ba- field drum.2338.4546
2049 2338.6587[The field drum's] a deep one.2339.8518 
2050DTA_int_012338.7897[Oh.]2339.1497
2051DTA_se2_ag3_m_022340.5765And uh, to learn this2342.0400
2053 2342.5559our company had a march, I would2343.8702 
2055 2344.1183play the-2344.6144 
2057 2344.8646I played the drums.2345.7520 
2059 2346.4240And so forth, but I f- feeling pretty good. I'm uh2348.7520 
2061 2348.9276still got my mind on this2350.4241 
2063 2350.7361special service.2351.5636 
2065 2352.0729And they never-2352.7951 
2067 2352.9115I never heard from 'em.2353.8795 
2068DTA_int_012353.9827You didn't hear anything at all?2354.9206
2069DTA_se2_ag3_m_022355.2389Never heard a thing.2356.2478
2071 2356.5924In fact, this was in nineteen forty-four, January when I went to Camp Lee.2360.2139 
2073 2360.7358Um.2361.2823 
2075 2362.7086July-2363.6262 
2077 2363.7733on July the fourth, we were on a train going to Seattle, Washington, be shipped out to Hawaii.2368.6223 
2078DTA_int_012368.9780Hm.2369.1799
2079DTA_se2_ag3_m_022369.4850In six months.2370.2599
2081 2371.2255So I, uh,2371.9414 
2083 2372.1689forgot all about it.2373.0590 
2084DTA_int_012373.5150Hm.2373.6972
2086 2375.6317Um.2375.9961 
2088 2376.7087If yo- if you could do- uh, if you could do it all over again, what would you want to be?2380.3993 
2090 2380.7001/inaudible/2381.2006 
2091DTA_se2_ag3_m_022381.6557What uh, my life all over [again?]2383.2208
2092DTA_int_012382.9523[Yeah.]2383.1938
2093DTA_se2_ag3_m_022385.4708Well, I know one thing, I would2386.6277
2095 2387.2399try to further my education.2388.5965 
2096DTA_int_012388.8522Uh-huh.2389.0495
2097DTA_se2_ag3_m_022389.3897I would.2389.7563
2098DTA_int_012390.0702You completed high school [then?]2391.4147
2099DTA_se2_ag3_m_022391.3642[I] did complete high school, but I would try to2393.3193
2100 2393.8022go to college like my mother wanted me to go. I did- never did go, she wanted me to.2397.1545
2101DTA_int_012397.3411Hm.2397.6023
2102DTA_se2_ag3_m_022398.0589At the time, I-2398.9852
2104 2399.7030I could have gotten a scholarship for-2401.5560 
2106 2401.7777I don't know what I- what it was about but2403.2468 
2108 2403.5783my father died when I was twelve.2405.1349 
2110 2406.0215But it's something2406.9302 
2112 2407.2024they had worked out down there with the welfare and everything when we were on welfare.2411.1339 
2114 2411.8822That they were2412.4815 
2116 2412.7734gonna send me to college if I wanted to.2414.8127 
2117DTA_int_012415.0388Hm.2415.2495
2118DTA_se2_ag3_m_022415.4405She asked me, I remember when she asked me did I want to go, I told her no, and when I got out of high school, I was2419.8750
2120 2420.3895I said, that's it for me.2421.4750 
2121DTA_int_012421.5452Hm.2421.7318
2122DTA_se2_ag3_m_022422.4013I thought that it was sissies that- that went to college, but I know differently now.2426.3468
2124 2426.6851That you can have your cake and eat it too.2428.3880 
2126 2429.1492See.2429.4856 
2127DTA_int_012429.8693Hm.2430.0462
2128DTA_se2_ag3_m_022430.0986But I would2430.6298
2130 2430.9283definitely2431.6546 
2132 2432.5308further my education.2433.7579 
2134 2434.2496I would go on to college and, uh,2435.9892 
2136 2436.7696and I would-2437.2745 
2138 2438.8616would like to be a musician.2440.1180 
2139DTA_int_012440.4719Hm.2440.7099
2140DTA_se2_ag3_m_022440.9906Mm-hm.2441.3567
2141DTA_int_012441.6923Um.2442.0674
2143 2442.2688If you had all the money you could ever want, uh, what would you do with it?2445.0908 
2144DTA_se2_ag3_m_022445.8874Right now?2446.3831
2145DTA_int_012446.5113Yeah.2446.7249
2146DTA_se2_ag3_m_022446.8591Just a blank statement?2448.1039
2147DTA_int_012448.2504Yeah.2448.4762
2148DTA_se2_ag3_m_022449.4782Well, I would2450.1250
2150 2450.8694send my wife to a doctor, she's got an illness right now that-2453.6383 
2152 2454.1786that's what I would do first.2455.6187 
2154 2456.3387She went to several doctors, she's got something called neurodermatitis.2460.3073 
2156 2460.5819It's itching.2461.2776 
2157DTA_int_012461.4668Hm.2461.7414
2158DTA_se2_ag3_m_022462.3333And, uh, she's- gets carried away, and she's very strong person to2465.6088
2160 2465.8650endure it.2466.3471 
2162 2466.7743But if I had all the money in the world, that's I would try to find a good specialist2469.9612 
2164 2470.3823for her.2470.7972 
2166 2471.4963We've been to doctors all over, here and there,2473.5288 
2168 2474.2794you know, with the money we've- well, we- we're in this uh,2476.7888 
2170 2476.9791community health association plan out of CHC Metropolitan2480.3693 
2171DTA_int_012480.5585Oh.2480.7782
2172DTA_se2_ag3_m_022480.7965Hospital over here now and2482.2566
2174 2482.7509so.2483.3292 
2176 2483.4361I just joined this plan. I work at a Post Office,2485.7115 
2178 2485.8579[so the] government pays a2487.1699 
2179DTA_int_012485.8579[Mm-hm.]2486.2179
2180DTA_se2_ag3_m_022487.6031portion of it.2488.1530
2182 2489.1293And um2489.7517 
2184 2490.7403she- uh, before I was laid off from work, back in- we were living down in the- in the projects2495.2371 
2186 2496.0670in the- in the2496.8907 
2188 2497.3728when I laid off from work, she was able to get care down in Receiving Hospital, this out patient2501.0121 
2190 2501.4332and they did pretty good wi- with her you know.2503.6137 
2192 2504.0897But, uh,2504.6450 
2194 2504.9440wasn't a- is- told her wasn't any cure, you know, for definite.2509.0827 
2196 2509.2657They did more for her2510.1150 
2198 2510.4079then she's getting done for her now.2512.0738 
2200 2512.5497I was laid off from work2513.5720 
2202 2514.0479but it- just what I'm trying to say, now we are with this plan,2516.7573 
2204 2517.6351this hospital plan over here an- and she go to the dermat- dermatitis-2522.1180 
2206 2522.3476dermatitis specialist.2523.4942 
2207DTA_int_012523.7567Mm-hm.2524.0374
2208DTA_se2_ag3_m_022524.5743And sh-2525.3096
2210 2525.4957he discourages and2526.6706 
2212 2527.0185well, you know there's no cure for you.2528.8176 
2214 2529.0006Point blank. There wa- no- nothing to go on y-2531.2889 
2216 2531.8407and she feels so bad.2533.2930 
2218 2533.8515Then her aunt-2534.6409 
2220 2534.8349her aunt2535.3410 
2222 2535.8109had something similar to her, but it wasn't- wasn't as serious.2538.9963 
2224 2539.7530And she recommended her doctor that's over there. She- she went to him2543.5784 
2226 2544.0910so she2544.4693 
2228 2544.6800he told her the same thing, you know.2546.3520 
2230 2547.5694So this is one of these things. It's a nervous condition that she's get a scratching mood she just you know, can't stop.2554.0193 
2232 2554.9184But this is what I would do2556.0595 
2234 2556.5050if I got2557.0542 
2236 2558.7580any money, i- to any- any extent, you know.2561.3413 
2237DTA_int_012562.5339Uh.2562.8917
2239 2563.1319Uh, can you describe2564.4154 
2241 2564.9219briefly, uh2565.6908 
2243 2566.1850what your2567.0721 
2245 2567.2305days activity is?2568.5451 
2247 2568.6718Like at your job?2569.7148 
2248DTA_se2_ag3_m_022571.1427At my job. At my [present job?]2572.5126
2249DTA_int_012572.1282[Yeah. at] your job. [Mm-hm.]2573.3181
2250DTA_se2_ag3_m_022573.2191[Yeah.] Well, uh2574.1222
2251 2574.8605I'm a postal clerk and, uh, I sort mail.2577.2329
2253 2578.0611I work in the parcel postal section at the postal service,2580.7505 
2255 2581.4461and uh, I have one job and, uh,2583.3105 
2257 2584.0855the three fellas and I alternate on2585.8518 
2259 2585.9739each week.2586.4946 
2261 2586.9400There's a different fellow on this job. It's called a2588.9490 
2263 2589.3173exchange case where all the2591.0609 
2265 2591.9518uh, firm mail is handled. Like Kresge's, JL Hudson,2596.3262 
2267 2596.9243Chrysler,2597.4918 
2269 2597.7969uh,2598.3583 
2271 2598.5413Parke Davis,2599.3184 
2273 2599.5808Crowley Milner,2600.4839 
2275 2600.9886Burroughs-2601.6494 
2277 2602.3396Burroughs Adding Machine,2603.6150 
2279 2604.1765uh, American Motors. All these firms in the city, they have a lot of mail that they handle.2608.3126 
2281 2608.8008These people uh, uh re-2610.3569 
2283 2610.5582prefer to pick their mail up themselves.2612.7663 
2284DTA_int_012612.8676Hm.2613.0812
2285DTA_se2_ag3_m_022613.3745You know, without the post office deliver. Well I work in this section.2616.0241
2286DTA_int_012616.2011Oh, I see.2616.7921
2287DTA_se2_ag3_m_022616.8601And um,2617.5373
2289 2617.7509what I do is- uh,2618.8188 
2291 2619.4534when I have- my time to work on this exchange case, my week2622.5485 
2293 2622.9893well, I deliver2623.7887 
2295 2624.8973mail to these2625.8249 
2297 2626.0262callers when they come in.2627.2161 
2299 2627.9648And this is just the set up2629.7875 
2301 2629.9185where the- all their mail is2631.3669 
2303 2631.6110all processed and everything. So, when they come in, they might have2634.3010 
2305 2634.7038some insured mail they'll have to sign for to certify it,2637.3416 
2307 2637.6528uh, register it,2638.4095 
2309 2638.7024they will have to sign for it and I have to give it to 'em.2640.7231 
2311 2641.3575And this is one part of it and the other part of my2643.6104 
2313 2643.9765work starts off if I'm not down on this exchange case2646.9269 
2315 2647.4639starts off by, um,2648.6965 
2317 2649.4471well, we have to get our mail2651.0707 
2319 2652.5841uh,2653.2676 
2321 2654.4237we got2654.8143 
2323 2655.1804lay out on the floor and2656.6809 
2325 2657.4975say for one station we'll have2659.0902 
2327 2660.1831uh, maybe twenty sections2662.0817 
2329 2662.9055and we have some mail that2664.0161 
2331 2664.8892well, this is automatic s-2665.9510 
2333 2666.3843post office work now. It's a new one down there-2668.0907 
2335 2668.7010the mail comes down the chute, see that's- whatever the midnight shift has left, we have to work it up.2672.9984 
2337 2673.6635So we have to2674.5651 
2339 2674.7005pick up a package and it's got2676.1288 
2341 2677.0746ninety-three seventy-six Otsego.2678.8241 
2343 2679.3672So, we got to look on a board, see what section this goes into2682.4534 
2344DTA_int_012682.5083Hm.2682.7707
2345DTA_se2_ag3_m_022683.0833Ninety-three seventy-six, might be- go between ninety-three seventy-six and ninety2686.7122
2347 2687.1821eight hundred would go into section four.2689.0041 
2349 2689.7729So, this package would go into section four. You'd throw it into that sack.2692.6349 
2351 2693.0071So when that sack gets full,2694.3740 
2353 2695.3071we got to count these pieces2696.7865 
2355 2696.9634each one.2697.5736 
2357 2697.7689Take 'em back out. And this is something I'm working out now, trying to get some money on how to eliminate this2701.7026 
2359 2701.9894cause it's a waste of time.2702.7951 
2361 2703.0514After we fill up a sack2704.3584 
2363 2705.0174we got to2705.4635 
2365 2705.5917s- count all these pieces,2707.1925 
2367 2707.7295one, two, then we got ten pieces, and then we got a label2710.1354 
2369 2710.7354and this is section four.2711.9904 
2371 2712.6190You put section four on a label2714.2308 
2373 2714.7189and we put the ten pieces right along side2717.2452 
2375 2717.6846on the label2718.4543 
2377 2718.7960designating this.2719.5856 
2379 2719.9761And we do this for the twenty section that we got.2722.0546 
2381 2722.8263So when we get through counting all- these are the parcels that go in the sack, then we have some2727.3115 
2383 2727.7020outside parcels too big to go in the2729.8753 
2385 2730.1941sack.2730.5686 
2387 2731.1484So we have a sheet, a worksheet2732.7879 
2389 2732.9832that we have to record all this on, /to/ record2735.4828 
2391 2735.8490all the outside pieces from one to twenty.2738.0178 
2393 2738.7501Section one has how many outside, we have four pieces, you mark four.2742.0880 
2395 2742.4724S- section two has section- ten, we mark ten.2745.4366 
2397 2745.8271And we go all the way around2746.9112 
2399 2747.8957And then2748.4404 
2401 2748.6479we get through the outside, let me get to the sacks that we were working with.2751.5769 
2403 2752.1933So we count2752.9232 
2405 2753.0936section one has2754.3596 
2407 2755.4458four pieces in this sack,2756.6522 
2409 2756.9361put these under the /work/2758.0607 
2411 2758.2682sack pieces.2759.1286 
2413 2759.7913Two and so forth.2760.8775 
2414DTA_int_012761.0239Hm.2761.2802
2415DTA_se2_ag3_m_022761.4769Now this sheet is turned into,2763.4540
2417 2763.7337uh,2764.1670 
2419 2764.6552special part in the post office2766.4469 
2421 2767.1731and now, for- this is for-2768.8024 
2423 2769.1868this process is for- is to2770.8771 
2425 2771.7533uh, say they got2772.6809 
2427 2773.0058four carriers is gonna deliver this mail in this one station.2776.4108 
2428DTA_int_012776.6244Mm-hm.2776.8990
2429DTA_se2_ag3_m_022777.1980So it's gonna be equally- say if we got2779.8096
2431 2780.5418four hundred pieces.2781.5180 
2433 2782.2625So these pieces gotta be distributed among these four carriers.2785.2038 
2435 2785.9177So that's so they're not-2786.8194 
2437 2786.9373one won't get no more than the other, one won't get too much.2789.4470 
2438DTA_int_012789.6240Mm-hm.2789.8132
2439DTA_se2_ag3_m_022789.8132So this is what it is.2790.7039
2440 2790.9310And each station is different.2792.3283
2442 2792.5662Some has more pieces.2793.8294 
2444 2794.1772Some has less.2795.0071 
2446 2795.8039So after this phase is through2797.4027 
2448 2799.5661we get our2800.4192 
2450 2801.5079after this, uh, worksheet goes in,2803.6437 
2452 2804.3373<ts>2804.4203 
2454 2804.9050they give us some what we call a- cut2806.3812 
2456 2806.5733sheets.2807.1022 
2458 2808.3788some- this first cut will be sections one to five.2811.9607 
2460 2812.5913Mark that on the floor.2813.7629 
2462 2814.3240One to five. Have a steel truck2816.1544 
2464 2816.5345right there.2817.0064 
2466 2817.3603Other one will be six2818.4872 
2468 2818.9433to ten.2819.5795 
2470 2819.8741Other one will be2820.5773 
2472 2820.7738ten to eleven.2821.6681 
2474 2822.2809And twelve to twenty.2823.4403 
2476 2823.6661We have four trucks.2824.5361 
2478 2825.0426So everything2826.0677 
2480 2826.6047for section one to five2828.0955 
2482 2828.2847will go on that first truck.2829.4244 
2484 2829.7145Pull 'em off the rack2830.5533 
2486 2831.0537and go right on down on the line.2832.2073 
2488 2832.5097And all the outside pieces will do the same thing.2835.1278 
2490 2835.7500And so then2836.4794 
2492 2836.6506this is all set. So, the carrier is supposed to get one to five, he come there he sees his2840.2794 
2494 2840.7493his sacks, he sees his outside pieces2842.7205 
2496 2843.7395push them out on the dock,2844.6609 
2498 2845.4156and he goes on about his business.2846.5139 
2499DTA_int_012846.7007[Hm.]2846.8808
2500DTA_se2_ag3_m_022846.8442[So] that's the first phase of it. And then after that, uh,2849.3001
2501 2849.6357what we do then, we have to sack these racks up all over the floor2852.6995
2503 2853.7125all over, it takes about two hours, the whole crew.2856.4048 
2504DTA_int_012856.8136[Hm.]2856.9922
2505DTA_se2_ag3_m_022856.8155[And we] sack our racks back up,2858.2951
2506 2858.7589then we have the sorting machines that uh, we work on.2861.6435
2508 2862.1561These are automatic sorters that2863.8291 
2510 2864.7444oh,2865.0373 
2512 2865.6313one man will go up2866.4184 
2514 2866.6320for one hour2867.4558 
2516 2868.2327to sort2868.7453 
2518 2869.1176mail.2869.4715 
2520 2870.3807You know,2870.5699 
2522 2871.0275[the mail] comes up on a conveyer2872.6141 
2523DTA_int_012871.0338[Hm.]2871.2962
2524DTA_se2_ag3_m_022873.0261right /for/ to a keyboard and you-2874.7103
2526 2875.6933you work the keyboard here, you hit a button2877.8900 
2528 2878.1891push it2878.5003 
2530 2878.7018five2879.2996 
2532 2879.8508thirty-nine2880.6746 
2534 2880.9065four2881.4923 
2536 2882.0415eight,2882.4808 
2538 2883.0605so forth [and this goes] right on the2884.4546 
2539DTA_int_012883.5141[Uh.]2883.8498
2540DTA_se2_ag3_m_022884.7720and this you should see it sometime.2886.1327