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1 | DTA_int_09 | 0.5382 | What kinds of games did you play when you were younger? | 2.9265 |
2 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 6.8196 | I- when I was young, I uh | 9.4993 |
4 | | 10.7149 | little basketball, | 12.2701 |
6 | | 12.4563 | baseball. | 13.3369 |
8 | | 15.6352 | I was consider, uh, | 17.1776 |
10 | | 17.4845 | a great baseball player. | 19.0221 |
11 | DTA_int_09 | 19.1319 | Is that right? Oh, tell me about your uh, | 21.0480 |
13 | | 21.4007 | baseball exploits. | 22.6468 |
14 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 22.7622 | Oh, well, uh, at the high school that I was going to, | 26.8079 |
16 | | 28.4838 | uh, we had a baseball team and we went | 31.3032 |
18 | | 33.0240 | from | 34.2790 |
20 | | 34.6170 | different schools. [Special] kind of training schools. | 38.2181 |
21 | DTA_int_09 | 36.3766 | [Uh-huh.] | 36.7880 |
22 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 39.3037 | And um. | 40.5851 |
24 | | 41.7984 | The professor | 43.0189 |
26 | | 44.7406 | who was the head of our | 46.0959 |
28 | | 46.8906 | team, well, | 47.7565 |
29 | DTA_int_09 | 48.2264 | Mm-hm. | 48.6352 |
30 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 48.9551 | if I wasn't able to go, well, he would be, or, | 51.6922 |
32 | | 53.6482 | reluctant about taking the rest of the team. | 56.4009 |
33 | DTA_int_09 | 56.7675 | Uh-huh. | 57.1144 |
34 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 59.0768 | I've known of several occasion, uh, that I had work to do, well he would even hire someone to put in my place so that I would be able to go with the | 68.0492 |
35 | DTA_int_09 | 68.8160 | Is that [right?] | 69.3122 |
36 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 69.2112 | [team.] | 69.5624 |
37 | DTA_int_09 | 69.8829 | What position did you play? | 71.1429 |
38 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 71.9430 | Second [base.] | 73.1943 |
39 | DTA_int_09 | 73.0581 | [Uh-huh.] | 73.5202 |
40 | | 74.3028 | You're a pretty big second base. | 75.5948 |
41 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 76.2403 | I'm pretty big and a strong hitter. That was the main point. [<laugh>] | 80.9058 |
42 | DTA_int_09 | 80.3689 | [Mm-hm. Is that right?] Uh-huh. | 81.6087 |
43 | | 81.9857 | You hit the long ball, you [pull it or straight away or?] | 84.6988 |
44 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 83.1807 | [Uh.] | 84.7124 |
45 | | 85.8155 | Oh, I could pull it | 86.9717 |
47 | | 87.1791 | most the time, I would hit the long ball. | 89.6261 |
48 | DTA_int_09 | 90.3875 | Uh-huh. | 90.7475 |
50 | | 91.7080 | How about basketball? | 92.6080 |
51 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 93.8998 | <ts> | 94.0279 |
53 | | 95.3268 | I also was good at basketball. | 97.4268 |
54 | DTA_int_09 | 97.7624 | Mm-hm. | 98.1713 |
55 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 99.3997 | The same thing applied to basketball, that- | 102.3028 |
57 | | 107.7560 | what we did, uh, | 109.2443 |
59 | | 109.5736 | we would play different schools. | 111.4175 |
60 | DTA_int_09 | 111.7160 | Uh-huh. | 112.0980 |
61 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 114.3353 | And uh, at my heighth | 116.5992 |
63 | | 118.7750 | I would mostly | 119.6267 |
65 | | 121.5111 | was a center jump. | 122.4817 |
66 | DTA_int_09 | 122.9299 | Uh-huh. | 123.3030 |
68 | | 123.6383 | How tall are you? | 124.3981 |
69 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 124.8457 | Six one. | 125.6359 |
70 | DTA_int_09 | 125.9546 | Uh-huh. | 126.3512 |
72 | | 127.3093 | Oh. Very good. | 127.9638 |
74 | | 128.6761 | Uh. | 128.9088 |
76 | | 129.6596 | How about | 129.9932 |
78 | | 130.3049 | the game of basketball as they play it today as compared to when you played it, is it quite a bit different? | 134.9763 |
80 | | 135.5133 | [/inaudible/] | 135.7207 |
81 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 135.5826 | [Quite] different, I notice that they- | 138.4852 |
82 | | 140.6204 | They uh, seems to work faster and they seems to have uh | 145.0606 |
84 | | 146.1538 | picked up a lot of different | 147.8259 |
86 | | 148.8093 | tricks I might call it. | 150.0650 |
87 | DTA_int_09 | 150.5111 | Uh-huh. | 150.7273 |
88 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 150.7273 | But I guess it's all in the style that they are playing now. | 153.7130 |
89 | DTA_int_09 | 153.8961 | Uh-huh. | 154.2622 |
91 | | 154.9508 | Good. | 155.1659 |
93 | | 155.4117 | How about when you were- when you were real little? | 157.4911 |
95 | | 157.8441 | Say you were | 158.3384 |
97 | | 158.5154 | five or six, what are the- | 159.5669 |
99 | | 159.8640 | what kinds of games do the kids play- kids play now? | 162.4093 |
101 | | 163.1847 | Or did you play? | 163.9727 |
103 | | 167.3005 | You know, around the neighborhood? | 168.4157 |
104 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 168.6835 | Now, at age five, | 171.1309 |
106 | | 174.1322 | six. | 175.3147 |
108 | | 175.4824 | Most game that I remember at that age was | 178.4217 |
110 | | 179.0407 | what you call [hopscotch.] | 180.8692 |
111 | DTA_int_09 | 180.5256 | [Yeah.] That's good, how did you play that? | 182.6950 |
112 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 183.4368 | <laugh> Oh you would make- | 184.8220 |
114 | | 185.9197 | draw a figure on the ground, [it wasn't] in the street at that time it was on the ground, and put numbers in there and you would jump. | 192.4365 |
115 | DTA_int_09 | 187.9820 | [Uh-huh.] | 188.4091 |
116 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 193.3701 | from | 193.8095 |
118 | | 194.9872 | one number to another one. | 196.4822 |
119 | DTA_int_09 | 196.8284 | Good. Any others you can think of that you? | 198.8896 |
120 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 200.6541 | Hide and seek [was one.] | 202.6312 |
121 | DTA_int_09 | 201.6366 | [Yeah, how did you play] that? | 203.1130 |
122 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 205.6632 | Well, <laugh> I see that children of today still play hide and seek. | 209.1916 |
123 | DTA_int_09 | 209.5096 | <laugh> | 210.0233 |
124 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 210.3043 | Uh. | 211.1253 |
126 | | 214.5288 | We would toss s- | 216.7094 |
128 | | 217.4198 | something uh, corn or something see [which one] would be the first | 220.8925 |
129 | DTA_int_09 | 219.5316 | [Yeah.] | 219.8538 |
130 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 222.4735 | to count and uh. | 224.1462 |
132 | | 224.4096 | Then, er, while he was counting, the rest would go | 227.1628 |
134 | | 227.7555 | some place and hide. | 229.0024 |
135 | DTA_int_09 | 229.4317 | Uh-huh. | 229.8649 |
137 | | 230.1043 | Good, uh, are there any other ways that the- uh, the person could become it? Like any rhymes or anything you could ever use? | 236.4515 |
138 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 240.0159 | Oh, I remember some quite well, but not at the present time. | 244.2174 |
139 | DTA_int_09 | 244.6910 | Uh-huh. | 245.0023 |
141 | | 245.7155 | Okay, good. | 246.1434 |
143 | | 246.9229 | How about uh, marbles? You ever play marbles? | 248.9727 |
144 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 249.4912 | Quite [often.] | 250.3646 |
145 | DTA_int_09 | 250.2669 | [How] do you play that? | 251.0997 |
146 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 253.6899 | Oh, during the marble games, uh, | 256.3372 |
148 | | 257.3263 | <ts> | 257.3812 |
150 | | 257.5522 | we would, uh, | 258.8649 |
152 | | 260.5716 | draw a circle. | 261.9259 |
153 | DTA_int_09 | 261.9197 | Uh-huh. | 262.2910 |
154 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 263.7321 | And, uh, we would, uh, | 266.2797 |
156 | | 267.2969 | put so many marbles in that circle. | 270.3043 |
158 | | 271.0331 | And it would be at least, uh, | 273.3181 |
160 | | 276.4732 | three or four. | 277.6322 |
161 | DTA_int_09 | 278.0185 | Mm-hm. | 278.4268 |
162 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 278.7340 | Oh, probably more playing and each one would have so many in the circle | 282.5581 |
163 | DTA_int_09 | 282.9646 | [Yeah.] | 283.2819 |
164 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 283.1660 | [of] their marbles. | 284.3361 |
165 | | 286.9571 | And | 287.3039 |
167 | | 288.0152 | we each had what we called an /agne/- /agne/- uh, something was | 292.2704 |
169 | | 292.4899 | larger than a marble [that was in] the [circle.] | 294.5265 |
170 | DTA_int_09 | 293.5369 | [Uh-huh.] | 293.9091 |
172 | | 294.2142 | [Yeah.] | 294.4949 |
173 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 295.1150 | <ts> | 295.1882 |
175 | | 295.5801 | And uh, we was | 296.8401 |
177 | | 298.1534 | /??/. | 298.9173 |
179 | | 301.8807 | Oh. | 302.4558 |
181 | | 302.8587 | quite a few inches or maybe | 304.1439 |
183 | | 304.2987 | two feet from the circle. | 306.1414 |
185 | | 307.3288 | And we would shoot in the circle and try | 309.3298 |
187 | | 309.6509 | to knock out as many marbles as we could. | 312.4794 |
188 | DTA_int_09 | 312.8415 | Uh-huh. | 313.2586 |
190 | | 313.8732 | And when you knocked all the other person's out? And then what? | 316.8649 |
191 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 317.2413 | <ts> | 317.3093 |
193 | | 319.4050 | Oh. | 319.6025 |
195 | | 319.9669 | The marbles that you knocked out of the circle were supposed to be yours for keep. <laugh> | 324.4911 |
196 | DTA_int_09 | 324.6403 | Is that how you played it? | 325.6677 |
197 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 325.8608 | That's why- that's the way we played it in those [days.] | 328.9218 |
198 | DTA_int_09 | 328.5574 | [Uh-huh.] | 328.9357 |
199 | | 329.9130 | Oh, very good. | 330.5628 |
201 | | 332.0687 | Do you watch a lot of TV around here? | 333.8473 |
203 | | 334.0562 | Do you like to watch any particular TV programs? | 337.2735 |
204 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 337.3776 | Mm. No. Mostly | 340.0024 |
206 | | 343.9169 | news. I have | 345.0764 |
208 | | 345.2828 | quite a few children and they pick out their program and sometime on the weekend, I might take part, but | 352.3637 |
209 | DTA_int_09 | 352.6348 | Uh-huh. | 352.9683 |
210 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 353.1803 | during the week, I'm at work. | 354.9359 |
211 | DTA_int_09 | 355.5154 | Uh-huh. | 355.8622 |
212 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 356.3341 | So I don't have too much time to watch television. | 359.1385 |
213 | DTA_int_09 | 359.3696 | Any particular programs that you, uh, like to see? | 362.2755 |
214 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 370.7464 | N- it's no particular program that I | 373.6637 |
216 | | 374.4802 | like to see unless there's some special program. | 377.6857 |
217 | DTA_int_09 | 378.0237 | Uh-huh. | 378.4144 |
218 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 379.5060 | And | 380.1606 |
220 | | 380.5618 | my most interest is in the news. [That I] do | 383.8677 |
221 | DTA_int_09 | 383.0515 | [Uh-huh.] | 383.4652 |
222 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 385.0380 | [Watch every day.] | 386.3688 |
223 | DTA_int_09 | 385.0531 | [Which news commentator] do you like? | 386.9672 |
224 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 388.1136 | T, uh, that is channel two and, | 390.8143 |
225 | DTA_int_09 | 390.8520 | Uh-huh. | 391.2779 |
226 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 393.0705 | and uh | 394.3366 |
228 | | 395.6459 | That's Walter Cronkite. I think [that's his] name, yeah. | 398.8696 |
229 | DTA_int_09 | 397.9186 | [Uh-huh.] | 398.2274 |
230 | | 399.4820 | How about the kids? What programs do they like? What are some of the programs they like? | 403.3923 |
231 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 404.8735 | Oh, they watch Candid Camera and they | 407.7128 |
233 | | 409.0782 | watch, uh. | 410.5023 |
235 | | 416.8843 | I could call the name, but I don't remember. I don't pay too much attention uh when they [are] watching TV because | 424.0091 |
236 | DTA_int_09 | 422.4651 | [Uh-huh.] | 422.9078 |
237 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 424.4364 | I have some smaller children, and they like the comics and that's something that I'm not too interested in. | 428.6072 |
238 | DTA_int_09 | 428.6627 | Yeah. | 428.9468 |
240 | | 429.5539 | How about movies? Do you ever watch any movies on TV? | 432.3636 |
241 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 435.1086 | Oh, some are Sunday evening, or nights you might say, I uh | 440.5943 |
242 | DTA_int_09 | 440.9235 | Mm-hm. | 441.3538 |
243 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 441.7916 | might watch a movie on channel nine. | 445.4521 |
244 | DTA_int_09 | 446.0124 | [Mm-hm.] | 446.5436 |
245 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 446.1932 | [S-] | 446.5761 |
246 | | 449.8467 | Now, they had a movie about uh | 453.1487 |
248 | | 456.3926 | three or four weeks ago concerning a Catholic, uh, | 459.5184 |
249 | DTA_int_09 | 459.7605 | Mm-hm. | 460.2434 |
251 | | 462.0434 | [What was that about?] | 462.8337 |
252 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 462.0459 | [Catholic.] | 462.8612 |
253 | | 467.6350 | This was a uh, I think it was the lady | 470.5528 |
255 | | 475.1667 | it wasn't a lady of fashion though, I don't I- | 477.4702 |
257 | | 477.8857 | I remember how the story go, but [this.] | 479.9894 |
258 | DTA_int_09 | 479.8075 | [Uh.] Yeah, well, how's the story [go?] | 481.4934 |
259 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 481.3529 | [Well] uh, this girl, she was sh- | 484.3087 |
260 | | 485.3782 | stroll in school and uh | 487.5697 |
261 | DTA_int_09 | 487.9322 | Mm-hm. | 488.3361 |
262 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 488.7444 | somehow the teacher, uh, | 490.3952 |
264 | | 493.2768 | didn't encourage her as she should. | 495.6333 |
265 | DTA_int_09 | 496.3050 | Mm-hm. | 496.7352 |
266 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 497.6049 | And uh, one day, this particular girl, uh | 500.9698 |
268 | | 502.2752 | she and her sister went out to | 504.4967 |
269 | DTA_int_09 | 504.9862 | Mm-hm. | 505.3769 |
270 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 506.6589 | gather some | 507.5829 |
272 | | 507.8114 | wood. | 508.6131 |
274 | | 511.4915 | And | 512.1516 |
276 | | 512.3843 | by this girl being sickly, her sister | 514.8297 |
278 | | 515.2813 | and another girl told her to uh | 517.4062 |
280 | | 518.4385 | not to wade across the stream [because] | 521.1890 |
281 | DTA_int_09 | 520.4407 | [Yeah.] | 520.6731 |
282 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 521.3524 | probably she would get wet and they didn't want that to happen. | 523.7517 |
284 | | 525.7699 | But s- for some cause after she- after they was gone, she waded across. | 530.1342 |
286 | | 530.7927 | And while she was | 532.6128 |
288 | | 532.8837 | standing there on there cliffs, | 534.9837 |
290 | | 535.6379 | she saw a figure. | 536.6855 |
292 | | 539.2054 | And this figure | 540.4838 |
294 | | 540.7431 | as the story go, it turned out to be | 543.3256 |
296 | | 552.5409 | turned out to be, um, | 554.4986 |
298 | | 558.7927 | in the form of the figure of Mary [as I] understand it. | 561.9800 |
299 | DTA_int_09 | 560.7458 | [Uh-huh.] | 561.3255 |
300 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 563.4552 | <ts> | 563.5725 |
302 | | 564.9604 | So she went back home and she told her parents | 568.1478 |
304 | | 570.7649 | At first her mother didn't believe her but her father see he- he- he believed the story. | 576.1177 |
306 | | 577.7772 | But the peoples in the community, | 579.8802 |
308 | | 580.3456 | they didn't believe her story. | 581.9771 |
309 | DTA_int_09 | 582.3327 | Mm-hm. | 582.7849 |
310 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 585.2632 | So the | 586.3081 |
312 | | 587.8864 | mayor and | 589.4054 |
314 | | 590.0310 | prosecutor | 590.7115 |
316 | | 591.1505 | /attornity/ and | 592.8825 |
318 | | 593.4927 | the head city officials, | 595.2571 |
320 | | 596.6098 | they all got together and | 598.4450 |
322 | | 599.8146 | they had tried to convince this girl that [she] wasn't telling the truth. | 604.1270 |
323 | DTA_int_09 | 602.0872 | [Yeah.] | 602.3419 |
324 | | 604.1270 | Mm-hm. | 604.5284 |
325 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 604.5284 | But she stuck to her same story. | 606.5479 |
326 | | 608.3093 | Even the father, one of the father, he didn't believe her. | 611.3562 |
328 | | 613.9497 | So they test this girl in several ways, but every time | 617.3928 |
330 | | 617.9196 | she would stick to this. | 619.0945 |
331 | DTA_int_09 | 619.8892 | Mm-hm. | 620.2623 |
332 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 620.3941 | What she told 'em she saw | 621.8297 |
334 | | 622.1502 | in the beginning. | 622.9947 |
336 | | 624.2811 | So finally, uh | 625.8671 |
338 | | 626.7478 | <ts> they wanted some kind of | 628.2307 |
340 | | 629.1156 | miracle to happen. | 630.2661 |
341 | DTA_int_09 | 633.7404 | Hm. | 633.9292 |
342 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 633.9292 | But at the time, she was there | 635.6286 |
343 | | 636.1659 | talking to this lady | 637.4327 |
345 | | 638.5636 | [<ts>] | 638.6377 |
346 | DTA_int_09 | 638.5821 | [Mm-hm.] | 638.9403 |
347 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 640.2287 | They wanted the rose t- to bud out- bloom out in | 643.5011 |
349 | | 643.9280 | the [winter time.] | 644.9532 |
350 | DTA_int_09 | 644.5221 | [Yeah.] | 644.9421 |
351 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 648.0631 | But on that particular day, the rose didn't | 651.1884 |
353 | | 651.7224 | bud. | 652.3321 |
355 | | 653.1507 | Or didn't bloom. | 654.0449 |
357 | | 656.8716 | And this lady told her to go | 658.7068 |
359 | | 659.7610 | so many feets | 660.9801 |
361 | | 661.6883 | and dig in the ground and it was | 663.6683 |
363 | | 664.4913 | spring a well would start. | 666.3891 |
365 | | 667.5973 | But she did that and she rub it all across her face and all the people standing around thought she was crazy. | 673.0124 |
367 | | 675.2729 | So she went and talked to the Father and she talked to city official and each one tried to convince her and show her that she was wrong. But she still said she- | 684.3431 |
369 | | 684.8266 | she had saw the lady. | 685.9637 |
371 | | 688.8146 | But in the end, to make it short, uh. | 691.0357 |
372 | DTA_int_09 | 691.0542 | No, this is good. This is very interesting. | 693.0393 |
373 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 696.0393 | So they talked to her father and her mother, tried to get them to send her away from there because it was causing too much u- uproar | 704.3199 |
375 | | 704.6711 | in the city. | 705.4965 |
376 | DTA_int_09 | 705.6172 | Yeah. | 705.8148 |
377 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 707.1494 | But some of the city officials, especially the mayor, he saw what he could make | 711.1226 |
379 | | 711.9488 | a killing out of this. [What I mean] by killing, he saw what he could | 715.1759 |
380 | DTA_int_09 | 713.1891 | [Mm-hm.] | 713.5905 |
381 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 717.2119 | draw peoples into the town and that would money into the city treasury and for him | 722.2003 |
383 | | 722.6964 | too, I imagine. | 723.4325 |
384 | DTA_int_09 | 723.4153 | Yeah. | 723.6272 |
385 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 725.5331 | But s- | 726.0478 |
387 | | 726.2224 | The other city officials, they didn't go along with that. | 729.4723 |
389 | | 731.6740 | So finally, uh, | 733.3242 |
391 | | 735.2586 | few days after | 736.7239 |
393 | | 740.7838 | it happened to be uh | 742.2597 |
395 | | 744.0619 | a sick man and his friend. What I mean by sick, this man had been a mason. | 749.3865 |
396 | DTA_int_09 | 749.9617 | [Mm-hm.] | 750.4676 |
397 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 750.0044 | [He had laid] bricks | 751.3036 |
398 | DTA_int_09 | 751.6331 | Yeah. | 751.9077 |
399 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 752.2372 | all his life and he- he- | 753.9702 |
401 | | 754.8611 | he had got to the place that he couldn't see so good. | 757.5647 |
403 | | 759.3336 | So they looked around, they saw the water start | 762.2986 |
405 | | 762.4877 | tripling down, | 763.4763 |
407 | | 763.7875 | and then uh. | 764.9764 |
409 | | 766.7784 | Uh. | 767.4862 |
411 | | 769.4167 | They had a hold up there and they fill it up. He went there and washed his hands and washed his face and he could see. | 775.6265 |
413 | | 777.7013 | So after that, he went back to his doctor and told his doctor uh, about what had happened. | 782.8440 |
414 | DTA_int_09 | 783.1430 | Mm-hm. | 783.6935 |
415 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 783.8417 | His doctor didn't believe him. | 785.4448 |
417 | | 786.8895 | So he examined him and he told him the same scar was there | 790.4426 |
419 | | 790.6952 | that was there before, but s- told him still he could see | 793.4583 |
421 | | 794.2014 | that he would be able to lay bricks again and was, [and he] was very happy. | 798.2785 |
422 | DTA_int_09 | 797.0199 | [Hm.] | 797.2550 |
423 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 800.4196 | And it worked on down that uh | 803.0252 |
425 | | 805.5397 | this girl, she was told by this lady to go to that | 808.9671 |
427 | | 809.4559 | same spot for so many days. | 811.8553 |
428 | DTA_int_09 | 811.9041 | Mm-hm. | 812.3556 |
429 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 812.8499 | And they tried to stop her. | 814.6663 |
431 | | 816.5515 | So this | 817.7475 |
433 | | 818.3272 | girl, she | 819.7284 |
435 | | 822.0655 | she and he parents, they would | 823.5363 |
437 | | 824.3721 | travel to that spot | 825.4878 |
439 | | 826.4458 | each day. | 827.2635 |
441 | | 829.3657 | She could see the lady, but the [people] standing around, they couldn't see her. | 833.1735 |
442 | DTA_int_09 | 830.6992 | [Yeah.] | 830.9488 |
443 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 833.5908 | [But she] would tell them what the lady was saying to her. | 836.5015 |
444 | DTA_int_09 | 833.5908 | [Mm-hm.] | 834.0615 |
445 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 838.9403 | And we'd get back to this rose bud, so finally this rose budded out | 844.2403 |
447 | | 845.1795 | and it's spring. | 846.8693 |
449 | | 849.5023 | It's started /flowering/ so they built a | 852.0689 |
451 | | 852.3496 | wall around [that.] | 853.8443 |
452 | DTA_int_09 | 853.5209 | [Yeah.] | 853.8199 |
453 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 854.6010 | And peoples from | 855.6140 |
455 | | 857.1700 | throughout that country and the other countries | 859.5282 |
457 | | 860.6144 | came in to get water from this | 863.1437 |
459 | | 863.9431 | well. | 864.4923 |
461 | | 865.3039 | And in some cases it was curing those peoples, in most cases. | 869.2509 |
463 | | 870.5568 | So the people still wasn't convinced. | 872.6752 |
464 | DTA_int_09 | 873.0487 | Hm. | 873.2135 |
465 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 874.7146 | And they was going to send this girl out of this | 877.6899 |
467 | | 878.0865 | s- | 878.2818 |
469 | | 879.2154 | out of that town. | 880.4786 |
471 | | 882.2124 | So, finally, uh | 883.7380 |
473 | | 884.9276 | <ts> | 885.0070 |
475 | | 885.4219 | One of the high officials from the high court, | 888.3936 |
477 | | 890.0666 | his daughter son | 891.6892 |
479 | | 892.0858 | taken sick. | 892.9584 |
480 | DTA_int_09 | 893.2912 | Mm-hm | 893.7610 |
481 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 893.9299 | <ts> | 894.0275 |
483 | | 895.0059 | And, uh, | 895.9639 |
485 | | 896.8731 | she | 897.6976 |
487 | | 898.9330 | came there on her own. | 900.4159 |
489 | | 902.3968 | She got a jug of this water | 904.2824 |
491 | | 906.9160 | and they had started arresting | 908.5026 |
493 | | 908.9614 | each and every one that uh, drew water from that | 911.6281 |
495 | | 912.4091 | pool. | 913.0011 |
496 | DTA_int_09 | 913.9518 | Mm-hm. | 914.3523 |
497 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 914.4156 | So, at the time they made this arrest, | 916.9819 |
499 | | 917.2313 | this high official | 918.4430 |
501 | | 919.0593 | /of the/ | 919.6329 |
503 | | 920.4254 | whole | 920.8098 |
505 | | 921.2797 | country was there. | 922.8662 |
507 | | 924.7714 | His wife, I mean was there | 927.0562 |
509 | | 927.2087 | among that group that was arrested. | 929.1711 |
511 | | 929.7469 | So when they got to her, | 931.1944 |
513 | | 933.5804 | she told him who she were. | 935.6917 |
515 | | 936.4240 | It wasn't no charge, as they all was afraid then [they was] sh- uh shaken. | 940.8771 |
516 | DTA_int_09 | 939.6139 | [Yeah.] | 940.0167 |
517 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 942.0806 | And they told her that it wouldn't be any charge for her. She said no, she as sane as these other. She would pay her fine and the f- | 948.6953 |
519 | | 949.3467 | fine of the rest of the peoples. | 951.1408 |
521 | | 953.1850 | So they wanted to take her water from her, but she insist that she have it. | 956.8670 |
523 | | 958.3193 | And they did take the water from some of the other peoples. | 961.0738 |
525 | | 961.9565 | So finally, she went on back to her home | 964.5926 |
527 | | 967.2533 | and whatever they did, anyway, they | 969.4669 |
529 | | 969.8941 | <ts> | 969.9917 |
531 | | 970.1748 | bathed this child, uh, | 972.0552 |
532 | DTA_int_09 | 972.0552 | Uh-huh. | 972.4518 |
533 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 972.5556 | in this water, and the next day, he was up running around. | 976.0287 |
535 | | 978.0013 | So, through that way, the high officials, they wanted to keep it a secret, but they uh | 983.6995 |
537 | | 985.0115 | <ts> | 985.1030 |
539 | | 986.0428 | had a meeting and handed down decree | 988.5776 |
541 | | 990.4265 | that this girls shouldn't be sent away. | 992.5641 |
542 | DTA_int_09 | 992.9485 | [Mm-hm.] | 993.4062 |
543 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 993.1684 | [That] what she saw, | 994.8707 |
544 | | 995.7006 | they believe it was true. | 997.1407 |
546 | | 999.3767 | And finally, on the end, they sent her to a- uh | 1003.1968 |
548 | | 1004.5332 | <ts> Catholic | 1005.3145 |
550 | | 1008.5086 | seminary. | 1009.7280 |
551 | DTA_int_09 | 1009.7646 | Mm-hm. | 1010.2345 |
552 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1010.9118 | And while being there, she studied, and uh | 1014.5713 |
554 | | 1016.1334 | as I understand, she became a sister before she died, but uh. | 1020.2321 |
556 | | 1020.9705 | This particular girl, she had been sick | 1023.4275 |
558 | | 1023.7448 | all her life and | 1025.0141 |
560 | | 1027.7745 | she really didn't know [it.] | 1029.2207 |
561 | DTA_int_09 | 1029.0804 | [Yeah.] | 1029.3489 |
562 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1030.9174 | But while she was there it- | 1032.6686 |
564 | | 1035.7766 | it appeared on her. Something concern her leg, it was a | 1039.5231 |
566 | | 1040.2736 | <ts> | 1040.4018 |
568 | | 1040.7008 | /Leukemema/ or whatever you call it. [And I] think that's what they called it. | 1044.9053 |
569 | DTA_int_09 | 1042.6231 | [Uh-huh.] | 1043.1174 |
570 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1046.7772 | And this priest, when she left, sh- | 1049.7368 |
572 | | 1051.3927 | he gave her a | 1052.1555 |
574 | | 1052.5460 | card and told her if she ever was in trouble, | 1055.5605 |
576 | | 1056.3224 | or felt that she need him, to mail that. | 1058.7877 |
578 | | 1059.9654 | So she taken sick and uh | 1062.1073 |
580 | | 1063.2110 | <ts> she mailed this card. | 1064.5169 |
582 | | 1066.4279 | And by the time the priest had got there she had died. | 1069.8693 |
583 | DTA_int_09 | 1071.2662 | Hm. | 1071.4309 |
584 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1072.7673 | <ts> | 1072.9870 |
586 | | 1073.5315 | I think that was a wonderful story [and- and I think that] | 1077.8599 |
587 | DTA_int_09 | 1075.7404 | [/inaudible/] | 1078.2324 |
588 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1078.0835 | girl had great courage in stand up | 1080.4371 |
589 | DTA_int_09 | 1080.9606 | [/inaudible/] | 1081.8211 |
590 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1080.9991 | [to what she] | 1081.8290 |
591 | | 1082.9640 | said she saw and what she believe in. | 1085.0227 |
592 | DTA_int_09 | 1085.9567 | She certainly did. You seem to (laughing) | 1087.7504 |
594 | | 1088.4643 | remember that well, huh? [That's good.] | 1090.6937 |
595 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1090.0407 | [Oh, /I/.] | 1091.2001 |
596 | DTA_int_09 | 1093.4894 | Do you have a pet around the house here? | 1095.6772 |
598 | | 1097.7092 | For the kids or anything? | 1099.0946 |
599 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1100.3658 | <ts> | 1100.4512 |
601 | | 1100.8173 | No, we once had a dog, but uh, I found out that a dog cause too much trouble. | 1106.2073 |
602 | DTA_int_09 | 1106.5673 | Uh-huh. | 1106.9108 |
603 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1108.8757 | We even had a pen for the dog and he would jump out of there and go into other people's yards. | 1114.6545 |
604 | DTA_int_09 | 1115.0480 | Bite people, or? | 1116.1277 |
605 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1116.7755 | He did on two occasion and uh | 1119.7291 |
607 | | 1121.3788 | so we just got rid of the [dog and since] then we haven't had a pet. | 1126.3441 |
608 | DTA_int_09 | 1123.7724 | [Uh-huh.] | 1124.1587 |
609 | | 1126.6187 | Good. | 1126.8872 |
611 | | 1127.4937 | Uh, is there any way your kids uh | 1129.3671 |
613 | | 1129.6295 | can get a wish? Like if they're eating chicken at the table or anything, is there any | 1133.5909 |
615 | | 1134.2011 | uh, way that they can get a wish or something? | 1136.4020 |
617 | | 1137.1343 | /E- but you/ have that tradition around here have [you?] | 1139.6484 |
618 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1139.3616 | [No.] | 1139.9962 |
619 | | 1140.5454 | We don't have that. | 1141.7354 |
620 | DTA_int_09 | 1141.7964 | Uh-huh. | 1142.1503 |
622 | | 1143.7532 | How about when they lose a tooth? What do they do? | 1145.8524 |
623 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1146.2978 | <ts> | 1146.4077 |
625 | | 1146.5663 | Well, that still going on. They would | 1148.5800 |
627 | | 1149.0008 | wrap that | 1149.5378 |
629 | | 1151.2220 | tooth up in a | 1152.3740 |
631 | | 1154.9124 | napkin and put it under their pillow and the next morning they probably will find a coin there. | 1159.7641 |
632 | DTA_int_09 | 1159.9481 | [Uh-huh.] Well that's good. | 1161.3258 |
633 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1159.9919 | [<laugh>] | 1160.2202 |
634 | DTA_int_09 | 1161.9726 | Uh, tell me about your school, when you were in school, what did you study? And | 1165.6583 |
636 | | 1166.2161 | [what] courses did you like? | 1167.4670 |
637 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1166.3015 | [<ts>] | 1166.3942 |
638 | | 1170.1157 | <ts> As you know, I was born in the [South.] | 1173.9054 |
639 | DTA_int_09 | 1173.7221 | [Uh-huh.] | 1174.2164 |
640 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1175.9446 | <laugh> | 1176.6646 |
642 | | 1177.2199 | I hate to tell my state, but it is Alabama. | 1179.4071 |
645 | | 1183.6772 | And my home | 1185.5018 |
647 | | 1188.0019 | where I lived when I was young was /?/. | 1190.8987 |
649 | | 1192.8087 | ten miles from Selma, [Alabama.] | 1195.4257 |
650 | DTA_int_09 | 1195.3341 | [Was] there any- | 1195.9588 |
651 | | 1196.4386 | So I guess you [wanted /out, huh/?] | 1198.2527 |
652 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1197.4272 | [<laugh> | 1198.6049 |
653 | DTA_int_09 | 1198.8673 | [/unintelligible/] | 1199.6707 |
654 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1199.2395 | [I had] great interest in that. | 1200.9554 |
655 | DTA_int_09 | 1201.0959 | Uh-huh. | 1201.4076 |
656 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1203.4474 | And I, uh, | 1204.8098 |
658 | | 1205.2992 | attend what you call a county training school. | 1208.0524 |
659 | DTA_int_09 | 1208.4247 | Uh-huh. | 1208.9678 |
660 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1210.4131 | <ts> | 1210.5107 |
662 | | 1211.8715 | Of course now, | 1213.0004 |
664 | | 1215.0157 | we had to walk | 1216.2361 |
666 | | 1219.4910 | a mile and a half | 1221.3688 |
668 | | 1221.9912 | one way | 1222.8150 |
670 | | 1223.3947 | to get to school every day. | 1225.0827 |
671 | DTA_int_09 | 1225.2475 | Is that right? | 1225.9587 |
672 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1229.9598 | And there | 1230.9057 |
674 | | 1231.9491 | <ts> | 1232.0224 |
676 | | 1234.6369 | And what I can see about the school, it was | 1237.8857 |
678 | | 1243.0114 | uh | 1243.6705 |
680 | | 1249.0770 | a good school, the way I would | 1251.0371 |
681 | DTA_int_09 | 1251.5863 | Uh-huh. | 1252.0257 |
682 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1252.1721 | put it, um. | 1253.6976 |
684 | | 1254.4518 | We has such courses as | 1258.6683 |
686 | | 1259.1901 | chemistry and | 1260.1908 |
688 | | 1261.2709 | physic. | 1261.8056 |
689 | DTA_int_09 | 1262.9589 | Uh-huh. | 1263.3921 |
690 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1264.7529 | But the | 1266.0384 |
692 | | 1266.8608 | most | 1268.3985 |
694 | | 1268.9477 | /entries/ they had in those days was home econon- | 1272.9841 |
696 | | 1274.9460 | economic and uh | 1276.5570 |
698 | | 1277.2099 | agricultural. | 1278.2948 |
699 | DTA_int_09 | 1278.8362 | Uh-huh. | 1279.2679 |
700 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1280.1292 | So | 1280.7211 |
702 | | 1282.7409 | that's what I went out for in that day. In those- in that- that- that time when I was going to [school.] | 1288.4762 |
703 | DTA_int_09 | 1288.1817 | [Yeah.] | 1288.4762 |
704 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1289.1407 | We had a vocation- uh, agricultural training school there. | 1293.2718 |
706 | | 1295.3895 | And so most of the boys would go out for that. Well, in there, we would build different [things, we would] make | 1301.6602 |
707 | DTA_int_09 | 1300.4324 | [Yeah.] | 1300.8656 |
708 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1303.4963 | thing that we could use around the home and- and | 1306.7316 |
710 | | 1306.9208 | through that uh | 1308.5893 |
712 | | 1309.6083 | project, uh | 1311.0973 |
714 | | 1311.9328 | we had what you call a- | 1314.6080 |
716 | | 1321.9937 | Anyway, we would have a | 1323.9946 |
718 | | 1325.3325 | plot of ground our own [and] | 1327.8176 |
719 | DTA_int_09 | 1327.4583 | [Yeah.] | 1327.7042 |
720 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1328.8489 | probably this year we would plant beans. | 1331.7291 |
721 | DTA_int_09 | 1332.0033 | Uh-huh. | 1332.4512 |
722 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1332.6345 | Well, we would sell those bean and that would be our money | 1335.7344 |
724 | | 1335.9785 | to buy [our school supply.] | 1337.7845 |
725 | DTA_int_09 | 1336.4100 | [Well that's-] | 1336.8171 |
727 | | 1337.5734 | [Yeah.] Oh that's good. | 1338.8202 |
728 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1339.5175 | And during that time, we | 1342.2563 |
730 | | 1343.8368 | started breeding full blooded | 1346.1266 |
732 | | 1346.5064 | hogs. | 1347.5240 |
734 | | 1348.4576 | Well, each one of the boys that participated in that program, they was | 1353.1313 |
736 | | 1355.5292 | from their | 1356.3468 |
738 | | 1357.1483 | plot of ground, they w- | 1358.6677 |
740 | | 1358.9057 | bought them, uh, | 1359.7605 |
742 | | 1359.9195 | full blooded | 1360.6846 |
744 | | 1361.4779 | /Jersey/ | 1362.2819 |
746 | | 1362.4367 | pig. | 1363.1978 |
748 | | 1364.9398 | And uh | 1366.1724 |
750 | | 1366.8498 | f- through that | 1367.7224 |
752 | | 1369.2904 | one pig, we | 1370.1996 |
754 | | 1370.7854 | first started with, we | 1372.3224 |
756 | | 1373.7381 | would sell the offsprings and we | 1375.8814 |
757 | DTA_int_09 | 1375.7998 | [/inaudible/] | 1376.7655 |
758 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1376.0276 | [taking in money] like that. | 1377.3324 |
759 | DTA_int_09 | 1377.4117 | Yeah. Perfect. | 1378.2356 |
761 | | 1378.5561 | Uh. What were some of the things you could see from your seat in the classroom? | 1382.3194 |
762 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1383.9490 | <ts> | 1384.0324 |
764 | | 1384.7417 | Well, as I would say, we had a modern school with modern desks. | 1388.9360 |
765 | DTA_int_09 | 1389.7049 | Mm-hm. | 1390.1564 |
766 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1390.8338 | And we had some teachers with BS degrees at that time there. | 1395.4249 |
767 | DTA_int_09 | 1395.7056 | Uh-huh. What did they write on in the front of the room? | 1397.7773 |
768 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1400.0771 | They had | 1400.5043 |
770 | | 1401.2019 | [blackboards.] | 1403.1240 |
771 | DTA_int_09 | 1402.8128 | [Uh-huh.] | 1403.1301 |
772 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1404.1497 | <ts> | 1404.1892 |
774 | | 1405.0157 | They wasn't the kind that sit up on- we had the- | 1408.4070 |
776 | | 1408.7333 | I guess it's the kind they use today. | 1410.8019 |
777 | DTA_int_09 | 1411.7905 | Regular blackboard. | 1412.7186 |
779 | | 1413.3409 | [Good. Good.] | 1413.8474 |
780 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1413.3771 | [Mm-hm.] | 1413.8469 |
781 | DTA_int_09 | 1414.6041 | If you walk outside the classroom, where would you be? | 1417.0630 |
782 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1419.8499 | Oh, as I told you this was a county training school and [uh.] | 1424.0635 |
783 | DTA_int_09 | 1423.6166 | [Uh-huh.] | 1424.0249 |
784 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1424.7470 | <ts> | 1424.8568 |
786 | | 1426.1077 | We were near the uh, highway. | 1429.4541 |
787 | DTA_int_09 | 1430.3486 | Uh-huh. | 1430.7513 |
788 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1431.2029 | But it was a fence | 1433.1555 |
790 | | 1434.1424 | around the school, this include the agricultural building | 1438.1730 |
792 | | 1438.8851 | the school, and the dormitory for the teachers. | 1441.6000 |
793 | DTA_int_09 | 1443.4536 | How about right outside of your classroom? How did you go from one classroom to another? Or did you just have- | 1448.3464 |
794 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1448.6048 | Oh we didn't have to go outside of the school to go from one place [to another.] | 1452.9206 |
795 | DTA_int_09 | 1452.0626 | [What'd you go through?] Did you go through a special. | 1454.2142 |
796 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1454.5004 | Oh. We would go through a special [hall.] | 1456.4807 |
797 | DTA_int_09 | 1456.3831 | [Uh-huh.] What was in the hall? Was there anything to get a drink or anything? | 1460.2598 |
798 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1464.7549 | No drinking /facilities/ | 1466.0577 |
800 | | 1466.4227 | /there/ | 1466.6993 |
801 | DTA_int_09 | 1466.7783 | Is that right? | 1467.2547 |
802 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1467.5905 | No. | 1467.8553 |
803 | DTA_int_09 | 1468.6302 | How about when you were uh | 1469.7880 |
805 | | 1470.1358 | in elementary school? | 1471.2342 |
807 | | 1471.7008 | Did they have um | 1472.4575 |
809 | | 1473.4826 | anything like a- | 1474.4773 |
811 | | 1474.5903 | that the kids could play on outside, right outside the school | 1477.5726 |
813 | | 1478.0197 | building. | 1478.4860 |
814 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1479.4988 | <ts> | 1479.5471 |
816 | | 1480.5649 | No, at that time, the only thing we played mostly was marbles | 1485.4602 |
818 | | 1485.5720 | and baseball | 1486.6277 |
820 | | 1486.8735 | [in elementary] school. | 1488.0057 |
821 | DTA_int_09 | 1486.8735 | [Uh-huh.] | 1487.1282 |
822 | | 1488.0972 | How about the [kids now?] Do they have a playground somewhere around here that they can go to? | 1492.8147 |
823 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1488.6955 | [Catch.] | 1489.2311 |
824 | | 1493.1869 | Oh yes. They have [playground. But-] | 1494.9061 |
825 | DTA_int_09 | 1494.3194 | [And what types] of things do they have on the playground? | 1496.5629 |
826 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1497.5367 | Oh they might have swings and, uh, | 1499.7161 |
828 | | 1499.8869 | seesaws [and uh.] | 1501.6464 |
829 | DTA_int_09 | 1500.9081 | [Uh-huh. Anything] else you can call a seesaw? | 1502.9828 |
830 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1504.0141 | Pardon? | 1504.4822 |
831 | DTA_int_09 | 1504.5573 | Is there anything else you can call a seesaw? | 1506.5161 |
833 | | 1506.7480 | Any other name they call it? | 1508.0012 |
834 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1508.0455 | <ts> | 1508.1487 |
836 | | 1509.0857 | Oh. | 1509.7996 |
838 | | 1513.7698 | No, I wouldn't [know another name.] | 1515.4803 |
839 | DTA_int_09 | 1514.5048 | [Okay, great.] | 1515.1111 |
840 | | 1515.8098 | And uh, how about all these things they climb all over. | 1518.6937 |
842 | | 1520.1890 | /Kind of/- | 1520.4876 |
843 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1521.3696 | Oh yes, they have the | 1523.1050 |
845 | | 1526.6410 | I call them gymnastic bars that they [can] | 1529.1040 |
846 | DTA_int_09 | 1528.9679 | [Uh-huh.] | 1529.3323 |
847 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1529.4418 | climb up and down. | 1531.0137 |
848 | DTA_int_09 | 1531.0445 | Good. | 1531.2464 |
850 | | 1533.1001 | How about the kids? What do your kids do after school's out? | 1535.7972 |
851 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1536.4159 | <ts> | 1536.5136 |
853 | | 1539.8697 | After school is out, uh, I uh | 1543.3640 |
855 | | 1548.5733 | don't be home on most | 1550.1138 |
857 | | 1550.2686 | ts- occasion, but uh what I understand they do after school is out, [they would] | 1555.2150 |
858 | DTA_int_09 | 1554.6121 | [Uh-huh.] | 1554.9765 |
859 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1556.3976 | come home, and they would wash up, they'll have their lunch | 1559.3347 |
861 | | 1561.1288 | and they would probably go out side and play a | 1563.3804 |
863 | | 1563.5879 | while. And- | 1564.2558 |
864 | DTA_int_09 | 1564.7012 | Uh-huh. | 1565.0979 |
865 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1566.3610 | And uh | 1567.7218 |
867 | | 1569.3859 | they would come back in and study. | 1571.0390 |
869 | | 1572.4894 | I have one small son that, uh, he likes to draw and tinker with [things.] | 1578.0621 |
870 | DTA_int_09 | 1577.9304 | [Uh-huh.] | 1578.3431 |
871 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1579.3723 | And my older son, he likes to read mostly. | 1582.2220 |
872 | DTA_int_09 | 1582.8678 | Good. | 1583.0753 |
874 | | 1583.6123 | Uh. | 1583.9662 |
876 | | 1584.3262 | Can you tell me about your teachers when you were in- back in school? Did you ever have a teacher who hollered a lot? | 1588.7885 |
877 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1591.7705 | Uh, | 1591.9432 |
879 | | 1593.0826 | Oh. I | 1594.4128 |
881 | | 1597.2198 | don't remember any teachers hollering a lot. | 1600.2625 |
883 | | 1601.6608 | They all were very nice. | 1604.0939 |
884 | DTA_int_09 | 1606.6126 | Uh-huh. | 1606.9591 |
885 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1608.6213 | Because | 1609.3780 |
887 | | 1612.0690 | during that time, it was such a small | 1614.6225 |
889 | | 1618.1012 | after you passed elementary school, it was [such a] small | 1621.2489 |
890 | DTA_int_09 | 1620.1596 | [Yeah.] | 1620.3961 |
891 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1621.9201 | group that tried to go on through until we wasn't, uh, [overcrowded.] | 1626.0662 |
892 | DTA_int_09 | 1625.9784 | [I] see. | 1626.5711 |
893 | | 1628.8184 | How about uh, can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had? What was she like? | 1632.3515 |
894 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1633.1719 | <ts> | 1633.2452 |
896 | | 1633.6052 | Oh that was in my elementary school. | 1635.6321 |
897 | DTA_int_09 | 1635.6921 | Uh-huh. | 1636.1132 |
898 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1637.3397 | I don't know why I say she was the best teacher that I have had but she would <laugh> | 1641.6490 |
900 | | 1642.4606 | occasionally give me a sandwich or she would, uh, (laughing) | 1645.7035 |
901 | DTA_int_09 | 1645.7035 | <laugh> | 1646.0064 |
903 | | 1648.6577 | Good. | 1648.8957 |
904 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1648.9445 | take me to the shore | 1650.6043 |
906 | | 1651.5024 | and | 1652.5912 |
907 | DTA_int_09 | 1654.4158 | [/inaudible/] | 1654.7623 |
908 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1654.6561 | [And] in my young days, cars was rare and she would take [me to s-] | 1659.3097 |
909 | DTA_int_09 | 1658.4593 | [/inaudible/] | 1659.3861 |
910 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1660.1454 | Selma <laugh> [to the] | 1661.9516 |
911 | DTA_int_09 | 1661.4150 | [Is that right?] | 1662.0166 |
912 | | 1662.1896 | That's good. | 1662.6534 |
913 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1663.1721 | Uh that's where the | 1664.2064 |
914 | DTA_int_09 | 1664.3090 | The big [city.] | 1665.0726 |
915 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1664.8545 | [church] were and uh she would take me there and | 1667.9669 |
916 | DTA_int_09 | 1668.6963 | Uh-huh. | 1669.1952 |
917 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1669.5161 | oh. It was great I thought then. | 1671.6641 |
918 | DTA_int_09 | 1672.3642 | Good. Good, good. | 1673.0497 |
920 | | 1673.8968 | Did you ever have a teacher you just couldn't stand? <laugh> | 1676.4108 |
921 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1678.2320 | I had | 1678.8117 |
923 | | 1679.1229 | one | 1679.4952 |
925 | | 1680.2579 | particular teacher I didn't care too much for, but we got along. | 1683.7080 |
926 | DTA_int_09 | 1683.8362 | Uh-huh. | 1684.1901 |
928 | | 1687.3988 | What was it about her that you? | 1688.7769 |
929 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1688.8145 | Uh. She thought she was too smart. | 1691.6844 |
931 | | 1691.8134 | [The-] she all would- | 1693.5624 |
932 | DTA_int_09 | 1692.1084 | [Yeah.] | 1692.3769 |
933 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1693.8492 | threw up in our face that | 1695.4705 |
935 | | 1696.1418 | we could get it if we wanted, she had hers because she went to Columbia University in New York. | 1701.5328 |
936 | DTA_int_09 | 1702.1783 | Uh-huh. | 1702.5324 |
937 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1702.7580 | I didn't think so much of that so I didn't care too much about that teacher, see. | 1707.5848 |
938 | DTA_int_09 | 1708.4757 | How about the smartest kid in your class. Do you remember the smartest kid and what made him so smart? | 1713.2611 |
939 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1714.3106 | Uh, this was a girl, her name was /RD-NAME-2/. | 1716.9567 |
941 | | 1721.5038 | Oh. I don't see how she did it, but | 1723.9159 |
943 | | 1724.5992 | it didn't seem like anything was hard for her. | 1727.7415 |
945 | | 1729.4465 | <ts> | 1729.5380 |
947 | | 1733.8978 | But the sad part about it, the same girl | 1736.7812 |
949 | | 1737.8857 | about three month before we were supposed to graduate, she ran away and marry- got married. | 1742.4218 |
950 | DTA_int_09 | 1742.4768 | Is that right? So she never graduated? | 1744.2753 |
951 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1744.4095 | No. | 1744.8306 |
952 | DTA_int_09 | 1745.8313 | Huh. | 1746.0144 |
954 | | 1747.9053 | How about the dumbest kid? Do you remember who- | 1749.7542 |
956 | | 1749.9474 | who the one of the dumber kids was? | 1751.6743 |
957 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1754.7030 | <ts> Mm. | 1756.0089 |
959 | | 1757.1333 | <ts> | 1757.2492 |
961 | | 1758.2439 | We had a /slow/ girl. | 1759.5863 |
962 | DTA_int_09 | 1759.8304 | Uh-huh. | 1760.1600 |
963 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1761.3926 | I wouldn't say she was dumb. | 1762.9914 |
964 | DTA_int_09 | 1763.1989 | Just a matter of how to find [herself?] | 1765.3993 |
965 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1765.1003 | [This] was the point. She just didn't try. | 1768.4443 |
966 | DTA_int_09 | 1768.8239 | Yeah. | 1769.0985 |
967 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1770.0199 | That's the only thing. | 1771.2831 |
968 | DTA_int_09 | 1772.1584 | /inaudible/ | 1773.1815 |
969 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1773.5070 | [Mm-mm.] | 1773.8799 |
970 | DTA_int_09 | 1773.5070 | [Uh. What] time do your kids get out of school now? | 1775.5878 |
971 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1776.5857 | One o'clock, I think. | 1777.8305 |
972 | DTA_int_09 | 1777.9970 | One o'clock. | 1778.5767 |
974 | | 1779.3204 | And uh, say uh | 1780.7056 |
976 | | 1781.8721 | they get out fifteen minutes early? What time do they get out? | 1784.3493 |
977 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1787.2417 | Oh, if they got out fifteen minutes early, that would be twelve forty-five. | 1790.8762 |
978 | DTA_int_09 | 1790.7844 | Okay, any other way you can say twelve forty-five? | 1793.2008 |
979 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1794.8663 | Well, I would say f- uh, fifteen minutes to one. | 1799.1465 |
980 | DTA_int_09 | 1799.3478 | Okay, any other way? | 1800.4950 |
982 | | 1802.1520 | <laugh> | 1802.9721 |
983 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1803.6189 | I would say twelve | 1804.9980 |
984 | DTA_int_09 | 1805.2196 | Quarter? | 1805.7364 |
985 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1806.3283 | Quarter <laugh> yeah. Quarter after- | 1809.1700 |
987 | | 1809.4568 | A quarter to uh, one. [<laugh>] | 1811.7878 |
988 | DTA_int_09 | 1811.3425 | [Okay, good.] | 1811.9647 |
989 | | 1813.6842 | Is there a pe- uh group of people that you associate with in this neighborhood or from the church? | 1819.0133 |
991 | | 1820.1335 | Particular group that you go around with? | 1822.0317 |
992 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1822.4162 | <ts> | 1822.7579 |
994 | | 1824.9094 | No, I don't have no group | 1826.1847 |
996 | | 1826.6119 | that I go around with. I have some friends that I [visit] | 1829.7649 |
997 | DTA_int_09 | 1829.4068 | [Uh-huh.] | 1829.7974 |
998 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1830.0700 | occasionally. | 1831.0341 |
999 | DTA_int_09 | 1833.0178 | Mm-hm. | 1833.3840 |
1001 | | 1834.0323 | And uh | 1834.5706 |
1003 | | 1835.0161 | your friends are about the same- about the same age as you, or? | 1837.9788 |
1004 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1838.0948 | <ts> Same age. | 1839.2603 |
1005 | DTA_int_09 | 1840.0169 | Uh-huh. | 1840.3928 |
1007 | | 1840.8102 | Good. | 1841.1092 |
1009 | | 1842.3103 | Do any of the people you associate with speak any other languages like Spanish or? | 1846.8175 |
1010 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1848.2719 | I have about two friend, but they are younger than I am. They, uh, speak Spanish. | 1852.7508 |
1011 | DTA_int_09 | 1853.2391 | Uh-huh. Good. | 1853.9749 |
1013 | | 1854.4593 | Are there any um white | 1855.5577 |
1015 | | 1856.0946 | people, in the group that you go around with? | 1857.9063 |
1016 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1859.3122 | <ts> | 1859.4831 |
1018 | | 1860.0115 | Well, as I told you, I don't have a group that I [go around] [with.] | 1863.2557 |
1019 | DTA_int_09 | 1862.2151 | [Yeah.] | 1862.5097 |
1021 | | 1862.9880 | [Uh-huh.] | 1863.3234 |
1022 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1865.2644 | And uh. | 1866.2507 |
1024 | | 1870.4846 | F- up until a few years ago, I had a white friend that I would | 1873.6128 |
1026 | | 1873.8447 | go visit | 1874.5709 |
1028 | | 1874.7844 | [occasionally,] but | 1875.9133 |
1029 | DTA_int_09 | 1874.7844 | [Uh-huh.] | 1875.2392 |
1030 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1876.2185 | he has moved now. | 1877.1521 |
1031 | DTA_int_09 | 1878.5469 | What do you prefer to be called, colored or Negro? | 1881.4942 |
1032 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1882.5670 | <ts> | 1882.6829 |
1034 | | 1888.3081 | Well, as I see it, I think uh, Negro is better than colored. | 1892.0737 |
1035 | DTA_int_09 | 1892.1407 | Uh-huh. Any particular reason why you | 1894.1057 |
1037 | | 1894.7116 | think that's | 1895.4684 |
1039 | | 1897.3196 | preferable? | 1897.8322 |
1040 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1898.3753 | Well, as you know | 1899.7604 |
1042 | | 1899.9923 | I- this colored came about, | 1902.4315 |
1044 | | 1902.9183 | the way I understand it, that uh | 1905.0785 |
1046 | | 1905.8953 | in our race, well we have (laughing) | 1907.7809 |
1048 | | 1909.3797 | some that you might say look like white and some that is black. | 1913.1222 |
1049 | DTA_int_09 | 1913.5567 | [Mm-hm.] | 1913.9534 |
1050 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1913.9147 | [So] I guess that's why that's colored uh | 1916.2972 |
1051 | | 1917.0356 | race come by, but that's not a set pattern for our race. | 1920.5478 |
1052 | DTA_int_09 | 1920.8896 | Mm-hm. | 1921.3228 |
1053 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1921.4937 | As I always said, uh, if I had to say, I would say we are | 1925.8041 |
1055 | | 1926.7865 | American Negro | 1927.9953 |
1057 | | 1928.1417 | of African descent | 1929.4954 |
1059 | | 1929.7706 | if I had to say it. | 1931.0187 |
1060 | DTA_int_09 | 1931.9706 | Very good. | 1932.5137 |
1061 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1932.8786 | Mm-hm. | 1933.2935 |
1062 | DTA_int_09 | 1933.3180 | Good. | 1933.5377 |
1064 | | 1934.7581 | Uh, what did you want to do | 1936.3022 |
1066 | | 1936.4730 | and be when you finished school? | 1938.1936 |
1068 | | 1938.7471 | when you were younger? | 1939.5600 |
1069 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1942.0759 | As a- when I was young, I e- uh, | 1944.8284 |
1071 | | 1946.0610 | <ts> | 1946.1464 |
1073 | | 1946.7628 | a few of my friend that uh, graduated with me, they still, they went to Tuskegee Institute. | 1952.2321 |
1074 | DTA_int_09 | 1952.7114 | Uh-huh. | 1953.1596 |
1075 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1954.5510 | And they taken up agriculture. | 1956.7295 |
1077 | | 1957.0181 | Mm. | 1957.7382 |
1079 | | 1959.1377 | Some went to Montgomery State and taken up teaching. | 1962.2404 |
1080 | DTA_int_09 | 1962.5944 | Uh-huh. | 1962.9971 |
1081 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1964.9665 | And I was gonna take up agriculture, but as <laugh> | 1968.2487 |
1083 | | 1969.5519 | it was, it wasn't no financial difficulty no way. | 1972.4325 |
1085 | | 1973.2563 | It's just that I had a job. | 1974.8672 |
1086 | DTA_int_09 | 1975.2639 | Yeah. | 1975.5690 |
1087 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1976.8200 | And what I thought is | 1978.1736 |
1089 | | 1978.6628 | was a good job at that [time.] | 1981.1308 |
1090 | DTA_int_09 | 1980.5595 | [Yeah.] | 1980.9317 |
1091 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 1984.7492 | And in those days, a teacher wasn't making much money and I was making more money than they were. | 1991.2544 |
1093 | | 1991.9257 | So, I thought that was- | 1993.7052 |
1095 | | 1996.3639 | would be fine enough for me through life, but since then I regret that day so much. | 2002.1105 |
1096 | DTA_int_09 | 2002.3912 | Is that- what would you do over- different if you had to do it all over again? | 2006.1114 |
1098 | | 2006.3982 | /Can you think?/ | 2007.0206 |
1099 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2008.9186 | If I had it to do over again, I would | 2011.5244 |
1101 | | 2012.0858 | definite. | 2012.9157 |
1103 | | 2015.8299 | If I | 2016.4462 |
1105 | | 2017.9133 | wasn't able to | 2019.1765 |
1107 | | 2019.4023 | get a degree, I would | 2020.8973 |
1109 | | 2021.2939 | definite uh | 2022.6852 |
1111 | | 2024.7730 | be able to master some trade good. | 2026.9932 |
1112 | DTA_int_09 | 2027.1335 | Uh-huh. | 2027.5302 |
1113 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2030.3860 | Such as | 2031.3562 |
1115 | | 2032.2304 | electric work. | 2033.6888 |
1116 | DTA_int_09 | 2034.3418 | Uh-huh. | 2034.6957 |
1117 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2036.7144 | Plumber. | 2037.8609 |
1119 | | 2039.7447 | Or tool and die, which I did [have some] experience in tool and die. | 2043.5951 |
1120 | DTA_int_09 | 2042.2305 | [Uh-huh.] | 2042.4735 |
1121 | | 2045.0144 | Good. | 2045.2951 |
1123 | | 2046.5740 | Uh. | 2046.9462 |
1125 | | 2047.7456 | If you had all the money in the world, all the money you could ever want, | 2050.5237 |
1127 | | 2050.8044 | what would you do with it? | 2051.7402 |
1128 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2058.1338 | Well, money, as you know | 2059.9584 |
1129 | DTA_int_09 | 2060.2459 | Mm-hm. | 2060.6730 |
1130 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2061.2650 | is not all, but it | 2062.3878 |
1132 | | 2062.8271 | does make you independent. | 2064.4442 |
1134 | | 2066.9655 | If I had money that I could use | 2069.5345 |
1136 | | 2070.9484 | as I please, | 2072.8584 |
1138 | | 2073.3283 | then | 2073.8653 |
1140 | | 2074.6002 | wouldn't have to worry about | 2075.9366 |
1142 | | 2076.3821 | spending it | 2077.2671 |
1143 | DTA_int_09 | 2078.0115 | Mm-hm. | 2078.3655 |
1144 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2079.0060 | I don't think I would live a life much different from what I live- I'm living today. | 2083.2787 |
1146 | | 2084.0353 | The only thing I would do, I would do more traveling, I would see more of the world. | 2088.0219 |
1147 | DTA_int_09 | 2088.4917 | You'd like to see some place. | 2089.9072 |
1148 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2090.4331 | That's one thing I would do. | 2091.8854 |
1149 | DTA_int_09 | 2092.9350 | Good. | 2093.1546 |
1151 | | 2093.6367 | Uh. How about your job? | 2095.1317 |
1153 | | 2095.3851 | Uh. Can you describe what you do in a day's work? | 2097.8931 |
1154 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2100.1719 | Oh. Uh. | 2101.4961 |
1156 | | 2102.0086 | I have had | 2102.9218 |
1158 | | 2103.3652 | quite a few jobs | 2105.1740 |
1160 | | 2107.8411 | during my course of employment. | 2110.2870 |
1161 | DTA_int_09 | 2110.8226 | Mm-hm. | 2111.3099 |
1162 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2113.6889 | Uh, I've | 2114.5055 |
1164 | | 2116.2399 | been a new car | 2117.4952 |
1166 | | 2118.3031 | service repairman. | 2119.6744 |
1168 | | 2121.8427 | Because, it was on a factory | 2123.8139 |
1170 | | 2124.1564 | base. | 2124.7622 |
1171 | DTA_int_09 | 2124.9335 | Yeah. | 2125.2013 |
1172 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2125.5843 | This was at /RD-WORK-3/ in new car | 2127.6740 |
1173 | DTA_int_09 | 2128.4160 | Mm-hm. | 2128.7716 |
1174 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2129.1536 | in the, uh, /??/ /assembly/. | 2130.9404 |
1176 | | 2136.5545 | And uh. | 2137.6871 |
1178 | | 2138.7233 | <ts> I been on- | 2139.7989 |
1180 | | 2140.6122 | I did welding and welding repair. | 2142.8869 |
1181 | DTA_int_09 | 2143.1678 | Uh-huh. | 2143.5586 |
1182 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2146.2547 | And now, my present job is an inspector. | 2149.2665 |
1183 | DTA_int_09 | 2151.3052 | Uh-huh. What types of things do you [inspect?] | 2153.7559 |
1184 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2153.6540 | [Oh] well, we inspect parts that goes into the automobile now | 2158.1864 |
1185 | | 2158.7571 | [/into/] the car. | 2159.9776 |
1186 | DTA_int_09 | 2158.7571 | [Uh-huh.] | 2159.1057 |
1187 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2161.6706 | Such as uh, | 2163.1457 |
1189 | | 2164.0702 | molding, | 2165.2004 |
1191 | | 2165.5993 | oil pans, | 2167.3911 |
1193 | | 2168.0459 | regulators, | 2169.6126 |
1194 | DTA_int_09 | 2173.5001 | Good. | 2173.7075 |
1195 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2173.7869 | and different type of chrome and fittings. | 2177.1074 |
1196 | DTA_int_09 | 2177.7420 | Good. | 2178.0056 |
1198 | | 2178.5632 | Uh. How about this neighborhood? What | 2180.2271 |
1200 | | 2180.4993 | do they call this part of town? | 2182.0008 |
1202 | | 2182.2746 | Any particular name that they call it? | 2184.0790 |
1203 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2185.5206 | <ts> | 2185.6085 |
1205 | | 2188.1153 | No, I don't know of no particular name. | 2190.8993 |
1206 | DTA_int_09 | 2191.2208 | Mm-hm. | 2191.7066 |
1207 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2191.6895 | But I do know that they say, you know, within this | 2195.1765 |
1208 | | 2195.3477 | boulevard, Avery, | 2196.4365 |
1209 | DTA_int_09 | 2196.7658 | Mm-hm. | 2197.0951 |
1210 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2198.5746 | it is, uh, | 2199.9811 |
1212 | | 2202.7779 | going to be /in an/ | 2203.9389 |
1214 | | 2204.9838 | future part of the | 2206.5385 |
1216 | | 2207.7283 | urban renewal. | 2209.0514 |
1217 | DTA_int_09 | 2209.4509 | Uh-huh. Good. | 2210.2236 |
1219 | | 2210.9315 | Uh-huh. What's this city called? | 2212.3144 |
1220 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2214.6539 | Oh this is uh Detroit. | 2217.9252 |
1221 | DTA_int_09 | 2218.0186 | Uh-huh. | 2218.3726 |
1223 | | 2219.4969 | Just trying to | 2220.0568 |
1225 | | 2220.3130 | some people say Detroit, others say Detroit (atypical pronunciation). That's all. | 2223.4317 |
1226 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2223.4693 | Mm-hm. | 2224.0429 |
1227 | DTA_int_09 | 2224.8234 | What are some of the streets of Detroit? What about the big ones? | 2227.8719 |
1228 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2229.1187 | <ts> | 2229.1802 |
1230 | | 2230.5938 | I would say Gratiot, uh, Grand River, uh, Woodward and uh. | 2235.0889 |
1231 | DTA_int_09 | 2235.4753 | Uh-huh. | 2235.7870 |
1232 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2236.4279 | Jefferson, Ford. | 2237.8284 |
1233 | DTA_int_09 | 2238.4925 | Uh-huh. | 2238.9257 |
1235 | | 2239.3299 | How about the one that goes by University of Detroit? | 2241.7105 |
1237 | | 2242.6236 | /inaudible/ | 2242.9925 |
1238 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2243.0188 | [Uh.] | 2244.5730 |
1239 | DTA_int_09 | 2244.0159 | [/inaudible/] | 2244.5576 |
1240 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2245.1349 | Yes, that's Outer Drive. | 2246.8705 |
1241 | DTA_int_09 | 2246.9175 | Yeah. | 2247.2287 |
1243 | | 2247.5227 | This one begins with a Liver. | 2248.6505 |
1245 | | 2249.4582 | Liver- | 2250.0158 |
1247 | | 2251.9148 | Goes by University [of De-] | 2253.0986 |
1248 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2252.8911 | [Oh Liver-] | 2253.8062 |
1249 | | 2254.6245 | Livernois? | 2255.3564 |
1250 | DTA_int_09 | 2255.4418 | Yeah. | 2255.6676 |
1251 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2255.8568 | Oh yes. | 2256.3900 |
1252 | DTA_int_09 | 2256.4426 | Good. | 2256.6562 |
1253 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2257.0615 | I thought Outer Drive. | 2258.4396 |
1255 | | 2259.8648 | [Oh that is Livernois] | 2260.9669 |
1256 | DTA_int_09 | 2260.0595 | [/It's the same thing, yeah/.] | 2261.2601 |
1257 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2261.2964 | Livernois, it is. That's what it is. | 2263.3896 |
1258 | DTA_int_09 | 2263.5520 | What about these big streets where they don't have uh, any traffic lights? | 2267.1696 |
1259 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2270.1256 | <ts> | 2270.2232 |
1261 | | 2270.7011 | Well I wouldn't call those big streets. | 2272.6295 |
1262 | DTA_int_09 | 2273.2836 | Well, you know, where the cars can go fifty five and sixty miles an hour in the | 2277.1410 |
1264 | | 2277.4396 | center city? | 2278.1596 |
1265 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2278.4608 | I would call them, uh, freeways, [express, uh] | 2283.1359 |
1266 | DTA_int_09 | 2281.6601 | [Okay. Good. Good. That's] /what I want/. | 2283.6430 |
1267 | | 2284.2423 | And uh what are some of the freeways or expressways here? | 2287.3179 |
1268 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2288.6742 | Well we have the | 2289.8157 |
1270 | | 2290.2284 | Edsel Ford, we have the John C. Lodge, we have now the Chrysler's under | 2295.0686 |
1272 | | 2296.3901 | construction and we have one that is | 2300.2085 |
1274 | | 2301.8461 | under construction which is never finished that is running from uh | 2305.5295 |
1276 | | 2306.5261 | out Grand River to Madison. | 2308.2389 |
1277 | DTA_int_09 | 2308.4540 | Uh-huh. | 2308.8184 |
1279 | | 2309.6920 | Good. | 2309.8940 |
1281 | | 2310.7413 | Uh, where were you born? | 2312.0030 |
1282 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2313.8556 | I was born, uh, | 2315.3659 |
1284 | | 2315.9235 | five miles- miles from Selma, Alabama. | 2319.5509 |
1285 | DTA_int_09 | 2319.6387 | Is that right? | 2320.2728 |
1286 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2320.4071 | Mm-hm. | 2320.8891 |
1287 | DTA_int_09 | 2321.3246 | /??/ | 2321.7987 |
1289 | | 2321.9831 | Where else have you lived in Detroit? Any place else in Detroit? | 2324.9493 |
1290 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2325.8888 | <ts> I lived, uh, | 2328.1103 |
1292 | | 2330.1338 | I always have lived on East Side. | 2332.4495 |
1293 | DTA_int_09 | 2332.7612 | Uh-huh. | 2333.2529 |
1295 | | 2334.7237 | How about outside of Detroit? Any place besides Selma? | 2337.7140 |
1296 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2339.8707 | <ts> Oh yes. I've lived in | 2342.1624 |
1298 | | 2344.0974 | Mobile. | 2345.0545 |
1299 | DTA_int_09 | 2345.4489 | [Uh-huh.] | 2345.9191 |
1300 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2345.4891 | [That is where] I married at, | 2346.8077 |
1301 | | 2346.9883 | Mobile. | 2347.7787 |
1303 | | 2348.4635 | <ts> I lived in Birmingham. | 2350.7375 |
1304 | DTA_int_09 | 2350.7404 | Uh-huh. | 2351.1970 |
1306 | | 2354.9505 | Where have you gone on trips? | 2356.1992 |
1307 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2357.1738 | Oh I have gone to | 2358.7186 |
1309 | | 2361.1069 | Chicago, uh. | 2362.4493 |
1310 | DTA_int_09 | 2362.8180 | Uh-huh. | 2363.2000 |
1311 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2364.5055 | Cleveland | 2365.5680 |
1313 | | 2366.5377 | <ts> | 2366.6462 |
1314 | DTA_int_09 | 2366.6767 | What do you think of all these [/inaudible/] | 2368.0296 |
1315 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2367.5086 | [Indianapolis], Buffalo. | 2370.2387 |
1316 | DTA_int_09 | 2371.3754 | Good. | 2371.6255 |
1318 | | 2372.0705 | What do you think of all these goings on in- | 2373.8970 |
1320 | | 2374.2491 | in Selma now? | 2375.1601 |
1321 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2376.5672 | <ts> | 2376.6832 |
1323 | | 2377.9414 | Well this is something that should have taken place years ago. | 2381.1902 |
1324 | DTA_int_09 | 2381.3087 | About a hundred years ago huh? | 2382.6170 |
1325 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2382.8980 | Well it did take place a hundred years ago, but it didn't last long. | 2386.1095 |
1326 | DTA_int_09 | 2386.4168 | Uh-huh. | 2386.7987 |
1327 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2386.9656 | I think it lasted only, what? About, uh, | 2389.6584 |
1329 | | 2392.0791 | down the Reconstruction era, I [think that] was about | 2395.0645 |
1330 | DTA_int_09 | 2394.0657 | [/inaudible/] | 2394.4916 |
1331 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2397.2904 | I j- don't remember how long it last, but it | 2399.7105 |
1333 | | 2399.9827 | was | 2400.7422 |
1335 | | 2403.2886 | until the | 2404.1359 |
1337 | | 2407.5109 | peoples in the North and the peoples in the South | 2409.8158 |
1339 | | 2412.4362 | decided they didn't want this or that. | 2414.6692 |
1341 | | 2415.9775 | A lot of people think, | 2416.8468 |
1343 | | 2419.4381 | which it is true that uh, | 2421.7518 |
1345 | | 2425.2118 | those peoples in the South is | 2427.5484 |
1347 | | 2429.1954 | worse than some of the peoples in the North, but | 2431.5179 |
1349 | | 2432.1677 | I don't think so. | 2433.2784 |
1351 | | 2436.7835 | Because I've | 2437.5606 |
1353 | | 2437.8635 | had contact with the lot, | 2439.2217 |
1355 | | 2439.4412 | they'll laugh and run with you, but they'll cut your throat behind your back. | 2443.5500 |
1357 | | 2445.2885 | Those peoples in the South gonna come out and tell you if they like you or whether they [don't.] | 2450.2127 |
1358 | DTA_int_09 | 2449.8591 | [Uh-huh.] | 2450.2496 |
1359 | | 2452.1281 | Uh, that's pretty true. | 2453.2810 |
1361 | | 2454.0405 | Uh, how about some of the holidays you celebrate around here? What are the big holidays? | 2457.9583 |
1362 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2462.2240 | Oh, so far as holidays is concerned, I like all holidays. | 2466.6248 |
1363 | DTA_int_09 | 2466.7285 | <laugh> | 2467.6194 |
1365 | | 2468.0312 | How about that one around the twenty-fifth of December? | 2470.4853 |
1366 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2474.0299 | Twenty-fifth of December, oh, Christmas? | 2477.0802 |
1367 | DTA_int_09 | 2477.0985 | Yeah, how do you celebrate that? | 2478.2823 |
1368 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2478.3372 | Mm. | 2479.4524 |
1370 | | 2481.2985 | Well, Christmas is more of uh, my way of thinking is- sh- should be sacred. | 2487.4625 |
1371 | DTA_int_09 | 2487.7066 | Uh-huh. | 2488.1154 |
1372 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2489.3843 | Because we go to church on [Christmas] | 2491.6672 |
1373 | DTA_int_09 | 2491.3643 | [Right.] | 2491.7155 |
1374 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2492.1765 | night. | 2492.6507 |
1375 | DTA_int_09 | 2493.4804 | Uh-huh. | 2493.8160 |
1376 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2495.8292 | But on Christmas day, uh we might c- | 2498.2290 |
1378 | | 2499.9061 | get up | 2500.2310 |
1380 | | 2500.9202 | around eight | 2501.5656 |
1382 | | 2502.1671 | thirty. | 2503.0479 |
1383 | DTA_int_09 | 2503.2674 | Uh-huh. | 2503.6976 |
1384 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2504.2771 | The, uh, children will open their toys | 2506.9728 |
1386 | | 2508.5236 | and | 2509.2612 |
1388 | | 2509.7721 | we'll have a big dinner [and so] forth. | 2512.1516 |
1389 | DTA_int_09 | 2511.3362 | [Uh-huh.] | 2511.7817 |
1390 | | 2513.1784 | Good. | 2513.3847 |
1392 | | 2513.9631 | How about that uh, holiday around October thirty-first? | 2517.1823 |
1394 | | 2519.1843 | I bet your son goes out for. | 2520.5557 |
1395 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2520.8630 | Well that's | 2521.8815 |
1397 | | 2522.2459 | day. | 2523.3260 |
1399 | | 2524.5689 | You said October? | 2525.4988 |
1400 | DTA_int_09 | 2525.6331 | Yeah. | 2525.8860 |
1402 | | 2526.5862 | The end of October. | 2527.6224 |
1403 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2527.9999 | That day is most uh, what I would say | 2531.6263 |
1405 | | 2534.2121 | it should be, which | 2535.5676 |
1407 | | 2535.8003 | we do mostly, | 2537.4291 |
1409 | | 2537.8901 | our family | 2538.9877 |
1410 | DTA_int_09 | 2539.3265 | Uh-huh. | 2539.7055 |
1412 | | 2540.5133 | [This is the] time when uh. | 2541.9627 |
1413 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2540.6629 | [dinner.] | 2541.1145 |
1414 | | 2542.0786 | That Thanksgiving [isn't it?] | 2543.3060 |
1415 | DTA_int_09 | 2543.0489 | [Uh.] Uh. That's November, October when the- | 2545.5867 |
1416 | | 2545.7508 | the ladies on brooms ride, | 2547.3824 |
1418 | | 2548.1638 | the kids like it. | 2548.9409 |
1419 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2549.6960 | Oh, I don't | 2550.4566 |
1421 | | 2552.3834 | have too much stress on that. | 2553.9722 |
1422 | DTA_int_09 | 2554.1491 | What's the name on that | 2555.2963 |
1424 | | 2555.5221 | holiday? | 2556.0548 |
1425 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2559.5752 | October the [thirty-first?] | 2561.6797 |
1426 | DTA_int_09 | 2561.3615 | [Yeah.] The end of October, when the witches, | 2563.4606 |
1427 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2563.7251 | October, [November.] | 2565.4066 |
1428 | DTA_int_09 | 2564.6621 | [they have the things] they uh, carved out. They put 'em in the window. | 2567.8163 |
1429 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2567.8339 | <ts> That't not a legal holiday. | 2569.1998 |
1430 | DTA_int_09 | 2569.5993 | No. | 2569.8364 |
1432 | | 2570.3527 | It's just uh- | 2570.9849 |
1434 | | 2571.3274 | [for] the kids. | 2571.8454 |
1435 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2571.3386 | [Oh.] | 2571.5155 |
1436 | | 2571.9288 | Well, we don't uh | 2573.5928 |
1438 | | 2575.3747 | celebrate that so | 2576.4459 |
1440 | | 2576.7444 | [much] that I know of. | 2577.9649 |
1441 | DTA_int_09 | 2576.9579 | [Uh-huh.] | 2577.3180 |
1442 | | 2578.5395 | The kids dress up in costumes | 2580.5678 |
1444 | | 2581.2345 | and they go around the neighborhood. | 2582.5390 |
1445 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2583.5131 | Oh. Halloween? | 2584.7726 |
1446 | DTA_int_09 | 2584.7848 | Yeah. That's it. | 2585.5370 |
1447 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2590.4546 | Well, on that day, uh, | 2593.0932 |
1449 | | 2593.9795 | quite naturally, if you have children, | 2595.9595 |
1450 | DTA_int_09 | 2596.1044 | Uh-huh. | 2596.4951 |
1451 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2599.7565 | you going to | 2600.8585 |
1453 | | 2601.9692 | have your porch light on. | 2603.2073 |
1454 | DTA_int_09 | 2604.2099 | Uh-huh. And what's those things they carve out and put in the windows sometimes? | 2607.7369 |
1455 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2607.9872 | Pumpkins? | 2608.8679 |
1456 | DTA_int_09 | 2608.9289 | Uh-huh. And what are those ladies that fly on brooms? | 2611.3978 |
1457 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2612.2902 | Oh they call them [witches.] | 2614.3009 |
1458 | DTA_int_09 | 2613.9661 | [<laugh>] | 2614.2834 |
1459 | | 2614.7559 | Okay, a- | 2615.6339 |
1461 | | 2616.1876 | What do the kids say when they go up to the door? | 2617.9569 |
1462 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2620.8303 | What I can understand, they say trick or [treat.] | 2623.3149 |
1463 | DTA_int_09 | 2623.1623 | [Anything] else they could say? | 2624.4578 |
1464 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2625.7287 | That's all I remember. | 2626.9593 |
1465 | DTA_int_09 | 2626.8998 | Okay, good. | 2627.4417 |
1466 | | 2628.0594 | Uh. How about the night before, when they um | 2630.3325 |
1468 | | 2630.6661 | can do mischief, they can ring doorbells and | 2633.0237 |
1470 | | 2633.6117 | turn over garbage pails. Is there any special name you call that night? | 2636.7362 |
1471 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2639.4686 | Not no specia- I- if it does, I don't remember it. Uh. | 2642.9797 |
1473 | | 2643.6646 | But I know of | 2644.4724 |
1474 | DTA_int_09 | 2646.3234 | Uh-huh | 2646.6652 |
1475 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2646.6652 | some | 2647.3854 |
1476 | | 2647.9122 | children might go through the neighborhood and turn over garbage cans and | 2651.5122 |
1478 | | 2651.6263 | thing like that. Mark your windows and so forth. | 2654.2835 |
1479 | DTA_int_09 | 2654.6172 | Okay, good. Um. | 2655.7148 |
1481 | | 2656.0528 | What kinds of things do fights start around here in the neighborhood? | 2659.2138 |
1482 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2660.2807 | Fight? | 2660.9846 |
1483 | DTA_int_09 | 2661.0212 | Yeah. | 2661.2592 |
1484 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2666.8238 | I don't see too many fights | 2668.2331 |
1486 | | 2668.5931 | among the adults [/or the/] | 2670.5275 |
1487 | DTA_int_09 | 2670.0858 | [Uh-huh.] | 2670.5275 |
1488 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2670.8085 | teenagers, but among the children, well I | 2673.0695 |
1490 | | 2673.9695 | they can start a fight just over a toy or over one holding a ball too long. | 2678.2878 |
1491 | DTA_int_09 | 2678.7049 | Uh-huh. | 2679.0605 |
1492 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2679.6049 | But those fights don't last long when they- | 2682.5250 |
1493 | DTA_int_09 | 2683.4974 | Are there any rules for a fair fight? | 2685.3106 |
1495 | | 2685.5453 | /inaudible/ | 2686.1215 |
1496 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2688.4584 | Not that I can see, it's no [rules.] | 2691.9671 |
1497 | DTA_int_09 | 2691.6986 | [How about] if you're wrestling and fighting or something and don't want to fight anymore, is there anything you can say I don't want to fight anymore? | 2696.9130 |
1498 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2697.4442 | Well, uh, what I used to say when I was a teenager, I would tell the fella if | 2701.9700 |
1500 | | 2702.4178 | he was getting the best of me, I would tell him he was the best, | 2705.4866 |
1502 | | 2705.5876 | I give. | 2706.4393 |
1503 | DTA_int_09 | 2706.5403 | Uh-huh. [I give.] | 2707.3259 |
1504 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2706.7993 | [And we'll] get up and [shake hands.] | 2709.0224 |
1505 | DTA_int_09 | 2707.8247 | [Anything else you can say] besides I give? | 2710.0190 |
1506 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2713.2129 | I tell him I've had enough. | 2714.5578 |
1507 | DTA_int_09 | 2714.5915 | Uh-huh. Well good. | 2715.4256 |
1509 | | 2718.5356 | How about the teenagers around here, do they fight in gangs or? | 2722.1806 |
1510 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2722.7337 | No, we used to have | 2724.6527 |
1511 | DTA_int_09 | 2725.7662 | Uh-huh. | 2726.1320 |
1512 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2726.0056 | before the war. I mean, shortly after the war too. | 2729.4788 |
1513 | DTA_int_09 | 2730.0639 | Uh-huh. | 2730.4789 |
1514 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2732.1234 | But since the Korean War, we haven't had too many teen gangs. | 2736.5730 |
1515 | DTA_int_09 | 2736.6096 | Uh-huh. | 2737.0795 |
1516 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2737.5470 | I've known a time that I had a son- this- this son that had on the uniform. | 2742.0695 |
1517 | DTA_int_09 | 2742.2587 | Uh-huh. | 2742.6002 |
1518 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2743.1095 | He had a little job at a theater, | 2745.1438 |
1520 | | 2747.1370 | his mother and I- uh, mother or I would have to pick him up every night. | 2750.9796 |
1521 | DTA_int_09 | 2751.4230 | Is that right? It was so dangerous [then?] | 2753.2848 |
1522 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2752.8027 | [Oh yes.] | 2753.5716 |
1523 | | 2753.7729 | Mm-hm. | 2754.1208 |
1524 | DTA_int_09 | 2755.3276 | What would they do? Jump him? /inaudible/ | 2756.7369 |
1525 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2758.7421 | Well it's certain thing they would demand. | 2760.8357 |
1527 | | 2761.6408 | They would demand | 2763.1423 |
1529 | | 2767.5276 | that he let them into the show | 2769.3191 |
1531 | | 2769.6547 | without pay. | 2770.4328 |
1532 | DTA_int_09 | 2770.6435 | Oh. | 2771.1436 |
1533 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2772.5314 | Or if they needed s- | 2774.0965 |
1535 | | 2774.6145 | some change to make out what they want, that he would give it to them. | 2778.1915 |
1536 | DTA_int_09 | 2779.7176 | Hm, /inaudible/ | 2780.8183 |
1538 | | 2781.4897 | Have you ever been in the hospital? | 2782.7321 |
1539 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2783.0246 | Oh yes. Recently. | 2784.1749 |
1540 | DTA_int_09 | 2784.5041 | Is that right? What was the worst illness you've ever had? | 2786.8785 |
1541 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2788.0191 | The worst what? | 2788.4933 |
1542 | DTA_int_09 | 2788.7479 | Illness you've ever had. | 2789.8581 |
1543 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2790.8283 | Ulcers. | 2791.7635 |
1544 | DTA_int_09 | 2792.1992 | Uh-huh. | 2792.6206 |
1546 | | 2794.0387 | This was just recently? | 2795.1363 |
1547 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2795.5402 | Oh yes. Mm-hm. | 2796.5043 |
1548 | DTA_int_09 | 2796.8277 | Uh-huh. | 2797.2793 |
1550 | | 2799.4228 | Uh. When a person starts to sneeze or cough, you might say uh | 2802.6453 |
1552 | | 2802.8428 | don't get near- near me, I don't wanna | 2804.5243 |
1554 | | 2805.1526 | what your cold? | 2805.9517 |
1555 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2810.3463 | Well y- e- | 2811.2946 |
1557 | | 2812.5678 | a person shouldn't have to tell one that. | 2814.2822 |
1558 | DTA_int_09 | 2814.3349 | Okay, but is there a special phrase they can use a word in the- get away, I don't wanna | 2818.4206 |
1560 | | 2818.9869 | what your cold. | 2819.7289 |
1561 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2820.5372 | Only thing I would say if I saw some | 2823.4819 |
1563 | | 2823.6582 | one coughing | 2824.6306 |
1565 | | 2824.8062 | to the extreme, I would tell them they should see their doctor. Or shoul- they should stay in bed or- | 2830.0794 |
1567 | | 2830.5887 | or stay at home. | 2831.8048 |
1568 | DTA_int_09 | 2832.3783 | Uh-huh. | 2832.7734 |
1570 | | 2834.1750 | Good. | 2834.3506 |
1572 | | 2835.4131 | Have you ever been in an automobile accident? | 2837.4513 |
1573 | DTA_se2_ag4_m_01 | 2840.6123 | No. | 2841.2006 |