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1DTA_int_090.5382What kinds of games did you play when you were younger?2.9265
2DTA_se2_ag4_m_016.8196I- when I was young, I uh9.4993
4 10.7149little basketball,12.2701 
6 12.4563baseball.13.3369 
8 15.6352I was consider, uh,17.1776 
10 17.4845a great baseball player.19.0221 
11DTA_int_0919.1319Is that right? Oh, tell me about your uh,21.0480
13 21.4007baseball exploits.22.6468 
14DTA_se2_ag4_m_0122.7622Oh, well, uh, at the high school that I was going to,26.8079
16 28.4838uh, we had a baseball team and we went31.3032 
18 33.0240from34.2790 
20 34.6170different schools. [Special] kind of training schools.38.2181 
21DTA_int_0936.3766[Uh-huh.]36.7880
22DTA_se2_ag4_m_0139.3037And um.40.5851
24 41.7984The professor43.0189 
26 44.7406who was the head of our46.0959 
28 46.8906team, well,47.7565 
29DTA_int_0948.2264Mm-hm.48.6352
30DTA_se2_ag4_m_0148.9551if I wasn't able to go, well, he would be, or,51.6922
32 53.6482reluctant about taking the rest of the team.56.4009 
33DTA_int_0956.7675Uh-huh.57.1144
34DTA_se2_ag4_m_0159.0768I've known of several occasion, uh, that I had work to do, well he would even hire someone to put in my place so that I would be able to go with the68.0492
35DTA_int_0968.8160Is that [right?]69.3122
36DTA_se2_ag4_m_0169.2112[team.]69.5624
37DTA_int_0969.8829What position did you play?71.1429
38DTA_se2_ag4_m_0171.9430Second [base.]73.1943
39DTA_int_0973.0581[Uh-huh.]73.5202
40 74.3028You're a pretty big second base.75.5948
41DTA_se2_ag4_m_0176.2403I'm pretty big and a strong hitter. That was the main point. [<laugh>]80.9058
42DTA_int_0980.3689[Mm-hm. Is that right?] Uh-huh.81.6087
43 81.9857You hit the long ball, you [pull it or straight away or?]84.6988
44DTA_se2_ag4_m_0183.1807[Uh.]84.7124
45 85.8155Oh, I could pull it86.9717
47 87.1791most the time, I would hit the long ball.89.6261 
48DTA_int_0990.3875Uh-huh.90.7475
50 91.7080How about basketball?92.6080 
51DTA_se2_ag4_m_0193.8998<ts>94.0279
53 95.3268I also was good at basketball.97.4268 
54DTA_int_0997.7624Mm-hm.98.1713
55DTA_se2_ag4_m_0199.3997The same thing applied to basketball, that-102.3028
57 107.7560what we did, uh,109.2443 
59 109.5736we would play different schools.111.4175 
60DTA_int_09111.7160Uh-huh.112.0980
61DTA_se2_ag4_m_01114.3353And uh, at my heighth116.5992
63 118.7750I would mostly119.6267 
65 121.5111was a center jump.122.4817 
66DTA_int_09122.9299Uh-huh.123.3030
68 123.6383How tall are you?124.3981 
69DTA_se2_ag4_m_01124.8457Six one.125.6359
70DTA_int_09125.9546Uh-huh.126.3512
72 127.3093Oh. Very good.127.9638 
74 128.6761Uh.128.9088 
76 129.6596How about129.9932 
78 130.3049the game of basketball as they play it today as compared to when you played it, is it quite a bit different?134.9763 
80 135.5133[/inaudible/]135.7207 
81DTA_se2_ag4_m_01135.5826[Quite] different, I notice that they-138.4852
82 140.6204They uh, seems to work faster and they seems to have uh145.0606
84 146.1538picked up a lot of different147.8259 
86 148.8093tricks I might call it.150.0650 
87DTA_int_09150.5111Uh-huh.150.7273
88DTA_se2_ag4_m_01150.7273But I guess it's all in the style that they are playing now.153.7130
89DTA_int_09153.8961Uh-huh.154.2622
91 154.9508Good.155.1659 
93 155.4117How about when you were- when you were real little?157.4911 
95 157.8441Say you were158.3384 
97 158.5154five or six, what are the-159.5669 
99 159.8640what kinds of games do the kids play- kids play now?162.4093 
101 163.1847Or did you play?163.9727 
103 167.3005You know, around the neighborhood?168.4157 
104DTA_se2_ag4_m_01168.6835Now, at age five,171.1309
106 174.1322six.175.3147 
108 175.4824Most game that I remember at that age was178.4217 
110 179.0407what you call [hopscotch.]180.8692 
111DTA_int_09180.5256[Yeah.] That's good, how did you play that?182.6950
112DTA_se2_ag4_m_01183.4368<laugh> Oh you would make-184.8220
114 185.9197draw a figure on the ground, [it wasn't] in the street at that time it was on the ground, and put numbers in there and you would jump.192.4365 
115DTA_int_09187.9820[Uh-huh.]188.4091
116DTA_se2_ag4_m_01193.3701from193.8095
118 194.9872one number to another one.196.4822 
119DTA_int_09196.8284Good. Any others you can think of that you?198.8896
120DTA_se2_ag4_m_01200.6541Hide and seek [was one.]202.6312
121DTA_int_09201.6366[Yeah, how did you play] that?203.1130
122DTA_se2_ag4_m_01205.6632Well, <laugh> I see that children of today still play hide and seek.209.1916
123DTA_int_09209.5096<laugh>210.0233
124DTA_se2_ag4_m_01210.3043Uh.211.1253
126 214.5288We would toss s-216.7094 
128 217.4198something uh, corn or something see [which one] would be the first220.8925 
129DTA_int_09219.5316[Yeah.]219.8538
130DTA_se2_ag4_m_01222.4735to count and uh.224.1462
132 224.4096Then, er, while he was counting, the rest would go227.1628 
134 227.7555some place and hide.229.0024 
135DTA_int_09229.4317Uh-huh.229.8649
137 230.1043Good, uh, are there any other ways that the- uh, the person could become it? Like any rhymes or anything you could ever use?236.4515 
138DTA_se2_ag4_m_01240.0159Oh, I remember some quite well, but not at the present time.244.2174
139DTA_int_09244.6910Uh-huh.245.0023
141 245.7155Okay, good.246.1434 
143 246.9229How about uh, marbles? You ever play marbles?248.9727 
144DTA_se2_ag4_m_01249.4912Quite [often.]250.3646
145DTA_int_09250.2669[How] do you play that?251.0997
146DTA_se2_ag4_m_01253.6899Oh, during the marble games, uh,256.3372
148 257.3263<ts>257.3812 
150 257.5522we would, uh,258.8649 
152 260.5716draw a circle.261.9259 
153DTA_int_09261.9197Uh-huh.262.2910
154DTA_se2_ag4_m_01263.7321And, uh, we would, uh,266.2797
156 267.2969put so many marbles in that circle.270.3043 
158 271.0331And it would be at least, uh,273.3181 
160 276.4732three or four.277.6322 
161DTA_int_09278.0185Mm-hm.278.4268
162DTA_se2_ag4_m_01278.7340Oh, probably more playing and each one would have so many in the circle282.5581
163DTA_int_09282.9646[Yeah.]283.2819
164DTA_se2_ag4_m_01283.1660[of] their marbles.284.3361
165 286.9571And287.3039
167 288.0152we each had what we called an /agne/- /agne/- uh, something was292.2704 
169 292.4899larger than a marble [that was in] the [circle.]294.5265 
170DTA_int_09293.5369[Uh-huh.]293.9091
172 294.2142[Yeah.]294.4949 
173DTA_se2_ag4_m_01295.1150<ts>295.1882
175 295.5801And uh, we was296.8401 
177 298.1534/??/.298.9173 
179 301.8807Oh.302.4558 
181 302.8587quite a few inches or maybe304.1439 
183 304.2987two feet from the circle.306.1414 
185 307.3288And we would shoot in the circle and try309.3298 
187 309.6509to knock out as many marbles as we could.312.4794 
188DTA_int_09312.8415Uh-huh.313.2586
190 313.8732And when you knocked all the other person's out? And then what?316.8649 
191DTA_se2_ag4_m_01317.2413<ts>317.3093
193 319.4050Oh.319.6025 
195 319.9669The marbles that you knocked out of the circle were supposed to be yours for keep. <laugh>324.4911 
196DTA_int_09324.6403Is that how you played it?325.6677
197DTA_se2_ag4_m_01325.8608That's why- that's the way we played it in those [days.]328.9218
198DTA_int_09328.5574[Uh-huh.]328.9357
199 329.9130Oh, very good.330.5628
201 332.0687Do you watch a lot of TV around here?333.8473 
203 334.0562Do you like to watch any particular TV programs?337.2735 
204DTA_se2_ag4_m_01337.3776Mm. No. Mostly340.0024
206 343.9169news. I have345.0764 
208 345.2828quite a few children and they pick out their program and sometime on the weekend, I might take part, but352.3637 
209DTA_int_09352.6348Uh-huh.352.9683
210DTA_se2_ag4_m_01353.1803during the week, I'm at work.354.9359
211DTA_int_09355.5154Uh-huh.355.8622
212DTA_se2_ag4_m_01356.3341So I don't have too much time to watch television.359.1385
213DTA_int_09359.3696Any particular programs that you, uh, like to see?362.2755
214DTA_se2_ag4_m_01370.7464N- it's no particular program that I373.6637
216 374.4802like to see unless there's some special program.377.6857 
217DTA_int_09378.0237Uh-huh.378.4144
218DTA_se2_ag4_m_01379.5060And380.1606
220 380.5618my most interest is in the news. [That I] do383.8677 
221DTA_int_09383.0515[Uh-huh.]383.4652
222DTA_se2_ag4_m_01385.0380[Watch every day.]386.3688
223DTA_int_09385.0531[Which news commentator] do you like?386.9672
224DTA_se2_ag4_m_01388.1136T, uh, that is channel two and,390.8143
225DTA_int_09390.8520Uh-huh.391.2779
226DTA_se2_ag4_m_01393.0705and uh394.3366
228 395.6459That's Walter Cronkite. I think [that's his] name, yeah.398.8696 
229DTA_int_09397.9186[Uh-huh.]398.2274
230 399.4820How about the kids? What programs do they like? What are some of the programs they like?403.3923
231DTA_se2_ag4_m_01404.8735Oh, they watch Candid Camera and they407.7128
233 409.0782watch, uh.410.5023 
235 416.8843I could call the name, but I don't remember. I don't pay too much attention uh when they [are] watching TV because424.0091 
236DTA_int_09422.4651[Uh-huh.]422.9078
237DTA_se2_ag4_m_01424.4364I have some smaller children, and they like the comics and that's something that I'm not too interested in.428.6072
238DTA_int_09428.6627Yeah.428.9468
240 429.5539How about movies? Do you ever watch any movies on TV?432.3636 
241DTA_se2_ag4_m_01435.1086Oh, some are Sunday evening, or nights you might say, I uh440.5943
242DTA_int_09440.9235Mm-hm.441.3538
243DTA_se2_ag4_m_01441.7916might watch a movie on channel nine.445.4521
244DTA_int_09446.0124[Mm-hm.]446.5436
245DTA_se2_ag4_m_01446.1932[S-]446.5761
246 449.8467Now, they had a movie about uh453.1487
248 456.3926three or four weeks ago concerning a Catholic, uh,459.5184 
249DTA_int_09459.7605Mm-hm.460.2434
251 462.0434[What was that about?]462.8337 
252DTA_se2_ag4_m_01462.0459[Catholic.]462.8612
253 467.6350This was a uh, I think it was the lady470.5528
255 475.1667it wasn't a lady of fashion though, I don't I-477.4702 
257 477.8857I remember how the story go, but [this.]479.9894 
258DTA_int_09479.8075[Uh.] Yeah, well, how's the story [go?]481.4934
259DTA_se2_ag4_m_01481.3529[Well] uh, this girl, she was sh-484.3087
260 485.3782stroll in school and uh487.5697
261DTA_int_09487.9322Mm-hm.488.3361
262DTA_se2_ag4_m_01488.7444somehow the teacher, uh,490.3952
264 493.2768didn't encourage her as she should.495.6333 
265DTA_int_09496.3050Mm-hm.496.7352
266DTA_se2_ag4_m_01497.6049And uh, one day, this particular girl, uh500.9698
268 502.2752she and her sister went out to504.4967 
269DTA_int_09504.9862Mm-hm.505.3769
270DTA_se2_ag4_m_01506.6589gather some507.5829
272 507.8114wood.508.6131 
274 511.4915And512.1516 
276 512.3843by this girl being sickly, her sister514.8297 
278 515.2813and another girl told her to uh517.4062 
280 518.4385not to wade across the stream [because]521.1890 
281DTA_int_09520.4407[Yeah.]520.6731
282DTA_se2_ag4_m_01521.3524probably she would get wet and they didn't want that to happen.523.7517
284 525.7699But s- for some cause after she- after they was gone, she waded across.530.1342 
286 530.7927And while she was532.6128 
288 532.8837standing there on there cliffs,534.9837 
290 535.6379she saw a figure.536.6855 
292 539.2054And this figure540.4838 
294 540.7431as the story go, it turned out to be543.3256 
296 552.5409turned out to be, um,554.4986 
298 558.7927in the form of the figure of Mary [as I] understand it.561.9800 
299DTA_int_09560.7458[Uh-huh.]561.3255
300DTA_se2_ag4_m_01563.4552<ts>563.5725
302 564.9604So she went back home and she told her parents568.1478 
304 570.7649At first her mother didn't believe her but her father see he- he- he believed the story.576.1177 
306 577.7772But the peoples in the community,579.8802 
308 580.3456they didn't believe her story.581.9771 
309DTA_int_09582.3327Mm-hm.582.7849
310DTA_se2_ag4_m_01585.2632So the586.3081
312 587.8864mayor and589.4054 
314 590.0310prosecutor590.7115 
316 591.1505/attornity/ and592.8825 
318 593.4927the head city officials,595.2571 
320 596.6098they all got together and598.4450 
322 599.8146they had tried to convince this girl that [she] wasn't telling the truth.604.1270 
323DTA_int_09602.0872[Yeah.]602.3419
324 604.1270Mm-hm.604.5284
325DTA_se2_ag4_m_01604.5284But she stuck to her same story.606.5479
326 608.3093Even the father, one of the father, he didn't believe her.611.3562
328 613.9497So they test this girl in several ways, but every time617.3928 
330 617.9196she would stick to this.619.0945 
331DTA_int_09619.8892Mm-hm.620.2623
332DTA_se2_ag4_m_01620.3941What she told 'em she saw621.8297
334 622.1502in the beginning.622.9947 
336 624.2811So finally, uh625.8671 
338 626.7478<ts> they wanted some kind of628.2307 
340 629.1156miracle to happen.630.2661 
341DTA_int_09633.7404Hm.633.9292
342DTA_se2_ag4_m_01633.9292But at the time, she was there635.6286
343 636.1659talking to this lady637.4327
345 638.5636[<ts>]638.6377 
346DTA_int_09638.5821[Mm-hm.]638.9403
347DTA_se2_ag4_m_01640.2287They wanted the rose t- to bud out- bloom out in643.5011
349 643.9280the [winter time.]644.9532 
350DTA_int_09644.5221[Yeah.]644.9421
351DTA_se2_ag4_m_01648.0631But on that particular day, the rose didn't651.1884
353 651.7224bud.652.3321 
355 653.1507Or didn't bloom.654.0449 
357 656.8716And this lady told her to go658.7068 
359 659.7610so many feets660.9801 
361 661.6883and dig in the ground and it was663.6683 
363 664.4913spring a well would start.666.3891 
365 667.5973But she did that and she rub it all across her face and all the people standing around thought she was crazy.673.0124 
367 675.2729So she went and talked to the Father and she talked to city official and each one tried to convince her and show her that she was wrong. But she still said she-684.3431 
369 684.8266she had saw the lady.685.9637 
371 688.8146But in the end, to make it short, uh.691.0357 
372DTA_int_09691.0542No, this is good. This is very interesting.693.0393
373DTA_se2_ag4_m_01696.0393So they talked to her father and her mother, tried to get them to send her away from there because it was causing too much u- uproar704.3199
375 704.6711in the city.705.4965 
376DTA_int_09705.6172Yeah.705.8148
377DTA_se2_ag4_m_01707.1494But some of the city officials, especially the mayor, he saw what he could make711.1226
379 711.9488a killing out of this. [What I mean] by killing, he saw what he could715.1759 
380DTA_int_09713.1891[Mm-hm.]713.5905
381DTA_se2_ag4_m_01717.2119draw peoples into the town and that would money into the city treasury and for him722.2003
383 722.6964too, I imagine.723.4325 
384DTA_int_09723.4153Yeah.723.6272
385DTA_se2_ag4_m_01725.5331But s-726.0478
387 726.2224The other city officials, they didn't go along with that.729.4723 
389 731.6740So finally, uh,733.3242 
391 735.2586few days after736.7239 
393 740.7838it happened to be uh742.2597 
395 744.0619a sick man and his friend. What I mean by sick, this man had been a mason.749.3865 
396DTA_int_09749.9617[Mm-hm.]750.4676
397DTA_se2_ag4_m_01750.0044[He had laid] bricks751.3036
398DTA_int_09751.6331Yeah.751.9077
399DTA_se2_ag4_m_01752.2372all his life and he- he-753.9702
401 754.8611he had got to the place that he couldn't see so good.757.5647 
403 759.3336So they looked around, they saw the water start762.2986 
405 762.4877tripling down,763.4763 
407 763.7875and then uh.764.9764 
409 766.7784Uh.767.4862 
411 769.4167They had a hold up there and they fill it up. He went there and washed his hands and washed his face and he could see.775.6265 
413 777.7013So after that, he went back to his doctor and told his doctor uh, about what had happened.782.8440 
414DTA_int_09783.1430Mm-hm.783.6935
415DTA_se2_ag4_m_01783.8417His doctor didn't believe him.785.4448
417 786.8895So he examined him and he told him the same scar was there790.4426 
419 790.6952that was there before, but s- told him still he could see793.4583 
421 794.2014that he would be able to lay bricks again and was, [and he] was very happy.798.2785 
422DTA_int_09797.0199[Hm.]797.2550
423DTA_se2_ag4_m_01800.4196And it worked on down that uh803.0252
425 805.5397this girl, she was told by this lady to go to that808.9671 
427 809.4559same spot for so many days.811.8553 
428DTA_int_09811.9041Mm-hm.812.3556
429DTA_se2_ag4_m_01812.8499And they tried to stop her.814.6663
431 816.5515So this817.7475 
433 818.3272girl, she819.7284 
435 822.0655she and he parents, they would823.5363 
437 824.3721travel to that spot825.4878 
439 826.4458each day.827.2635 
441 829.3657She could see the lady, but the [people] standing around, they couldn't see her.833.1735 
442DTA_int_09830.6992[Yeah.]830.9488
443DTA_se2_ag4_m_01833.5908[But she] would tell them what the lady was saying to her.836.5015
444DTA_int_09833.5908[Mm-hm.]834.0615
445DTA_se2_ag4_m_01838.9403And we'd get back to this rose bud, so finally this rose budded out844.2403
447 845.1795and it's spring.846.8693 
449 849.5023It's started /flowering/ so they built a852.0689 
451 852.3496wall around [that.]853.8443 
452DTA_int_09853.5209[Yeah.]853.8199
453DTA_se2_ag4_m_01854.6010And peoples from855.6140
455 857.1700throughout that country and the other countries859.5282 
457 860.6144came in to get water from this863.1437 
459 863.9431well.864.4923 
461 865.3039And in some cases it was curing those peoples, in most cases.869.2509 
463 870.5568So the people still wasn't convinced.872.6752 
464DTA_int_09873.0487Hm.873.2135
465DTA_se2_ag4_m_01874.7146And they was going to send this girl out of this877.6899
467 878.0865s-878.2818 
469 879.2154out of that town.880.4786 
471 882.2124So, finally, uh883.7380 
473 884.9276<ts>885.0070 
475 885.4219One of the high officials from the high court,888.3936 
477 890.0666his daughter son891.6892 
479 892.0858taken sick.892.9584 
480DTA_int_09893.2912Mm-hm893.7610
481DTA_se2_ag4_m_01893.9299<ts>894.0275
483 895.0059And, uh,895.9639 
485 896.8731she897.6976 
487 898.9330came there on her own.900.4159 
489 902.3968She got a jug of this water904.2824 
491 906.9160and they had started arresting908.5026 
493 908.9614each and every one that uh, drew water from that911.6281 
495 912.4091pool.913.0011 
496DTA_int_09913.9518Mm-hm.914.3523
497DTA_se2_ag4_m_01914.4156So, at the time they made this arrest,916.9819
499 917.2313this high official918.4430 
501 919.0593/of the/919.6329 
503 920.4254whole920.8098 
505 921.2797country was there.922.8662 
507 924.7714His wife, I mean was there927.0562 
509 927.2087among that group that was arrested.929.1711 
511 929.7469So when they got to her,931.1944 
513 933.5804she told him who she were.935.6917 
515 936.4240It wasn't no charge, as they all was afraid then [they was] sh- uh shaken.940.8771 
516DTA_int_09939.6139[Yeah.]940.0167
517DTA_se2_ag4_m_01942.0806And they told her that it wouldn't be any charge for her. She said no, she as sane as these other. She would pay her fine and the f-948.6953
519 949.3467fine of the rest of the peoples.951.1408 
521 953.1850So they wanted to take her water from her, but she insist that she have it.956.8670 
523 958.3193And they did take the water from some of the other peoples.961.0738 
525 961.9565So finally, she went on back to her home964.5926 
527 967.2533and whatever they did, anyway, they969.4669 
529 969.8941<ts>969.9917 
531 970.1748bathed this child, uh,972.0552 
532DTA_int_09972.0552Uh-huh.972.4518
533DTA_se2_ag4_m_01972.5556in this water, and the next day, he was up running around.976.0287
535 978.0013So, through that way, the high officials, they wanted to keep it a secret, but they uh983.6995 
537 985.0115<ts>985.1030 
539 986.0428had a meeting and handed down decree988.5776 
541 990.4265that this girls shouldn't be sent away.992.5641 
542DTA_int_09992.9485[Mm-hm.]993.4062
543DTA_se2_ag4_m_01993.1684[That] what she saw,994.8707
544 995.7006they believe it was true.997.1407
546 999.3767And finally, on the end, they sent her to a- uh1003.1968 
548 1004.5332<ts> Catholic1005.3145 
550 1008.5086seminary.1009.7280 
551DTA_int_091009.7646Mm-hm.1010.2345
552DTA_se2_ag4_m_011010.9118And while being there, she studied, and uh1014.5713
554 1016.1334as I understand, she became a sister before she died, but uh.1020.2321 
556 1020.9705This particular girl, she had been sick1023.4275 
558 1023.7448all her life and1025.0141 
560 1027.7745she really didn't know [it.]1029.2207 
561DTA_int_091029.0804[Yeah.]1029.3489
562DTA_se2_ag4_m_011030.9174But while she was there it-1032.6686
564 1035.7766it appeared on her. Something concern her leg, it was a1039.5231 
566 1040.2736<ts>1040.4018 
568 1040.7008/Leukemema/ or whatever you call it. [And I] think that's what they called it.1044.9053 
569DTA_int_091042.6231[Uh-huh.]1043.1174
570DTA_se2_ag4_m_011046.7772And this priest, when she left, sh-1049.7368
572 1051.3927he gave her a1052.1555 
574 1052.5460card and told her if she ever was in trouble,1055.5605 
576 1056.3224or felt that she need him, to mail that.1058.7877 
578 1059.9654So she taken sick and uh1062.1073 
580 1063.2110<ts> she mailed this card.1064.5169 
582 1066.4279And by the time the priest had got there she had died.1069.8693 
583DTA_int_091071.2662Hm.1071.4309
584DTA_se2_ag4_m_011072.7673<ts>1072.9870
586 1073.5315I think that was a wonderful story [and- and I think that]1077.8599 
587DTA_int_091075.7404[/inaudible/]1078.2324
588DTA_se2_ag4_m_011078.0835girl had great courage in stand up1080.4371
589DTA_int_091080.9606[/inaudible/]1081.8211
590DTA_se2_ag4_m_011080.9991[to what she]1081.8290
591 1082.9640said she saw and what she believe in.1085.0227
592DTA_int_091085.9567She certainly did. You seem to (laughing)1087.7504
594 1088.4643remember that well, huh? [That's good.]1090.6937 
595DTA_se2_ag4_m_011090.0407[Oh, /I/.]1091.2001
596DTA_int_091093.4894Do you have a pet around the house here?1095.6772
598 1097.7092For the kids or anything?1099.0946 
599DTA_se2_ag4_m_011100.3658<ts>1100.4512
601 1100.8173No, we once had a dog, but uh, I found out that a dog cause too much trouble.1106.2073 
602DTA_int_091106.5673Uh-huh.1106.9108
603DTA_se2_ag4_m_011108.8757We even had a pen for the dog and he would jump out of there and go into other people's yards.1114.6545
604DTA_int_091115.0480Bite people, or?1116.1277
605DTA_se2_ag4_m_011116.7755He did on two occasion and uh1119.7291
607 1121.3788so we just got rid of the [dog and since] then we haven't had a pet.1126.3441 
608DTA_int_091123.7724[Uh-huh.]1124.1587
609 1126.6187Good.1126.8872
611 1127.4937Uh, is there any way your kids uh1129.3671 
613 1129.6295can get a wish? Like if they're eating chicken at the table or anything, is there any1133.5909 
615 1134.2011uh, way that they can get a wish or something?1136.4020 
617 1137.1343/E- but you/ have that tradition around here have [you?]1139.6484 
618DTA_se2_ag4_m_011139.3616[No.]1139.9962
619 1140.5454We don't have that.1141.7354
620DTA_int_091141.7964Uh-huh.1142.1503
622 1143.7532How about when they lose a tooth? What do they do?1145.8524 
623DTA_se2_ag4_m_011146.2978<ts>1146.4077
625 1146.5663Well, that still going on. They would1148.5800 
627 1149.0008wrap that1149.5378 
629 1151.2220tooth up in a1152.3740 
631 1154.9124napkin and put it under their pillow and the next morning they probably will find a coin there.1159.7641 
632DTA_int_091159.9481[Uh-huh.] Well that's good.1161.3258
633DTA_se2_ag4_m_011159.9919[<laugh>]1160.2202
634DTA_int_091161.9726Uh, tell me about your school, when you were in school, what did you study? And1165.6583
636 1166.2161[what] courses did you like?1167.4670 
637DTA_se2_ag4_m_011166.3015[<ts>]1166.3942
638 1170.1157<ts> As you know, I was born in the [South.]1173.9054
639DTA_int_091173.7221[Uh-huh.]1174.2164
640DTA_se2_ag4_m_011175.9446<laugh>1176.6646
642 1177.2199I hate to tell my state, but it is Alabama.1179.4071 
645 1183.6772And my home1185.5018  
647 1188.0019where I lived when I was young was /?/.1190.8987 
649 1192.8087ten miles from Selma, [Alabama.]1195.4257 
650DTA_int_091195.3341[Was] there any-1195.9588
651 1196.4386So I guess you [wanted /out, huh/?]1198.2527
652DTA_se2_ag4_m_011197.4272[<laugh>1198.6049
653DTA_int_091198.8673[/unintelligible/]1199.6707
654DTA_se2_ag4_m_011199.2395[I had] great interest in that.1200.9554
655DTA_int_091201.0959Uh-huh.1201.4076
656DTA_se2_ag4_m_011203.4474And I, uh,1204.8098
658 1205.2992attend what you call a county training school.1208.0524 
659DTA_int_091208.4247Uh-huh.1208.9678
660DTA_se2_ag4_m_011210.4131<ts>1210.5107
662 1211.8715Of course now,1213.0004 
664 1215.0157we had to walk1216.2361 
666 1219.4910a mile and a half1221.3688 
668 1221.9912one way1222.8150 
670 1223.3947to get to school every day.1225.0827 
671DTA_int_091225.2475Is that right?1225.9587
672DTA_se2_ag4_m_011229.9598And there1230.9057
674 1231.9491<ts>1232.0224 
676 1234.6369And what I can see about the school, it was1237.8857 
678 1243.0114uh1243.6705 
680 1249.0770a good school, the way I would1251.0371 
681DTA_int_091251.5863Uh-huh.1252.0257
682DTA_se2_ag4_m_011252.1721put it, um.1253.6976
684 1254.4518We has such courses as1258.6683 
686 1259.1901chemistry and1260.1908 
688 1261.2709physic.1261.8056 
689DTA_int_091262.9589Uh-huh.1263.3921
690DTA_se2_ag4_m_011264.7529But the1266.0384
692 1266.8608most1268.3985 
694 1268.9477/entries/ they had in those days was home econon-1272.9841 
696 1274.9460economic and uh1276.5570 
698 1277.2099agricultural.1278.2948 
699DTA_int_091278.8362Uh-huh.1279.2679
700DTA_se2_ag4_m_011280.1292So1280.7211
702 1282.7409that's what I went out for in that day. In those- in that- that- that time when I was going to [school.]1288.4762 
703DTA_int_091288.1817[Yeah.]1288.4762
704DTA_se2_ag4_m_011289.1407We had a vocation- uh, agricultural training school there.1293.2718
706 1295.3895And so most of the boys would go out for that. Well, in there, we would build different [things, we would] make1301.6602 
707DTA_int_091300.4324[Yeah.]1300.8656
708DTA_se2_ag4_m_011303.4963thing that we could use around the home and- and1306.7316
710 1306.9208through that uh1308.5893 
712 1309.6083project, uh1311.0973 
714 1311.9328we had what you call a-1314.6080 
716 1321.9937Anyway, we would have a1323.9946 
718 1325.3325plot of ground our own [and]1327.8176 
719DTA_int_091327.4583[Yeah.]1327.7042
720DTA_se2_ag4_m_011328.8489probably this year we would plant beans.1331.7291
721DTA_int_091332.0033Uh-huh.1332.4512
722DTA_se2_ag4_m_011332.6345Well, we would sell those bean and that would be our money1335.7344
724 1335.9785to buy [our school supply.]1337.7845 
725DTA_int_091336.4100[Well that's-]1336.8171
727 1337.5734[Yeah.] Oh that's good.1338.8202 
728DTA_se2_ag4_m_011339.5175And during that time, we1342.2563
730 1343.8368started breeding full blooded1346.1266 
732 1346.5064hogs.1347.5240 
734 1348.4576Well, each one of the boys that participated in that program, they was1353.1313 
736 1355.5292from their1356.3468 
738 1357.1483plot of ground, they w-1358.6677 
740 1358.9057bought them, uh,1359.7605 
742 1359.9195full blooded1360.6846 
744 1361.4779/Jersey/1362.2819 
746 1362.4367pig.1363.1978 
748 1364.9398And uh1366.1724 
750 1366.8498f- through that1367.7224 
752 1369.2904one pig, we1370.1996 
754 1370.7854first started with, we1372.3224 
756 1373.7381would sell the offsprings and we1375.8814 
757DTA_int_091375.7998[/inaudible/]1376.7655
758DTA_se2_ag4_m_011376.0276[taking in money] like that.1377.3324
759DTA_int_091377.4117Yeah. Perfect.1378.2356
761 1378.5561Uh. What were some of the things you could see from your seat in the classroom?1382.3194 
762DTA_se2_ag4_m_011383.9490<ts>1384.0324
764 1384.7417Well, as I would say, we had a modern school with modern desks.1388.9360 
765DTA_int_091389.7049Mm-hm.1390.1564
766DTA_se2_ag4_m_011390.8338And we had some teachers with BS degrees at that time there.1395.4249
767DTA_int_091395.7056Uh-huh. What did they write on in the front of the room?1397.7773
768DTA_se2_ag4_m_011400.0771They had1400.5043
770 1401.2019[blackboards.]1403.1240 
771DTA_int_091402.8128[Uh-huh.]1403.1301
772DTA_se2_ag4_m_011404.1497<ts>1404.1892
774 1405.0157They wasn't the kind that sit up on- we had the-1408.4070 
776 1408.7333I guess it's the kind they use today.1410.8019 
777DTA_int_091411.7905Regular blackboard.1412.7186
779 1413.3409[Good. Good.]1413.8474 
780DTA_se2_ag4_m_011413.3771[Mm-hm.]1413.8469
781DTA_int_091414.6041If you walk outside the classroom, where would you be?1417.0630
782DTA_se2_ag4_m_011419.8499Oh, as I told you this was a county training school and [uh.]1424.0635
783DTA_int_091423.6166[Uh-huh.]1424.0249
784DTA_se2_ag4_m_011424.7470<ts>1424.8568
786 1426.1077We were near the uh, highway.1429.4541 
787DTA_int_091430.3486Uh-huh.1430.7513
788DTA_se2_ag4_m_011431.2029But it was a fence1433.1555
790 1434.1424around the school, this include the agricultural building1438.1730 
792 1438.8851the school, and the dormitory for the teachers.1441.6000 
793DTA_int_091443.4536How about right outside of your classroom? How did you go from one classroom to another? Or did you just have-1448.3464
794DTA_se2_ag4_m_011448.6048Oh we didn't have to go outside of the school to go from one place [to another.]1452.9206
795DTA_int_091452.0626[What'd you go through?] Did you go through a special.1454.2142
796DTA_se2_ag4_m_011454.5004Oh. We would go through a special [hall.]1456.4807
797DTA_int_091456.3831[Uh-huh.] What was in the hall? Was there anything to get a drink or anything?1460.2598
798DTA_se2_ag4_m_011464.7549No drinking /facilities/1466.0577
800 1466.4227/there/1466.6993 
801DTA_int_091466.7783Is that right?1467.2547
802DTA_se2_ag4_m_011467.5905No.1467.8553
803DTA_int_091468.6302How about when you were uh1469.7880
805 1470.1358in elementary school?1471.2342 
807 1471.7008Did they have um1472.4575 
809 1473.4826anything like a-1474.4773 
811 1474.5903that the kids could play on outside, right outside the school1477.5726 
813 1478.0197building.1478.4860 
814DTA_se2_ag4_m_011479.4988<ts>1479.5471
816 1480.5649No, at that time, the only thing we played mostly was marbles1485.4602 
818 1485.5720and baseball1486.6277 
820 1486.8735[in elementary] school.1488.0057 
821DTA_int_091486.8735[Uh-huh.]1487.1282
822 1488.0972How about the [kids now?] Do they have a playground somewhere around here that they can go to?1492.8147
823DTA_se2_ag4_m_011488.6955[Catch.]1489.2311
824 1493.1869Oh yes. They have [playground. But-]1494.9061
825DTA_int_091494.3194[And what types] of things do they have on the playground?1496.5629
826DTA_se2_ag4_m_011497.5367Oh they might have swings and, uh,1499.7161
828 1499.8869seesaws [and uh.]1501.6464 
829DTA_int_091500.9081[Uh-huh. Anything] else you can call a seesaw?1502.9828
830DTA_se2_ag4_m_011504.0141Pardon?1504.4822
831DTA_int_091504.5573Is there anything else you can call a seesaw?1506.5161
833 1506.7480Any other name they call it?1508.0012 
834DTA_se2_ag4_m_011508.0455<ts>1508.1487
836 1509.0857Oh.1509.7996 
838 1513.7698No, I wouldn't [know another name.]1515.4803 
839DTA_int_091514.5048[Okay, great.]1515.1111
840 1515.8098And uh, how about all these things they climb all over.1518.6937
842 1520.1890/Kind of/-1520.4876 
843DTA_se2_ag4_m_011521.3696Oh yes, they have the1523.1050
845 1526.6410I call them gymnastic bars that they [can]1529.1040 
846DTA_int_091528.9679[Uh-huh.]1529.3323
847DTA_se2_ag4_m_011529.4418climb up and down.1531.0137
848DTA_int_091531.0445Good.1531.2464
850 1533.1001How about the kids? What do your kids do after school's out?1535.7972 
851DTA_se2_ag4_m_011536.4159<ts>1536.5136
853 1539.8697After school is out, uh, I uh1543.3640 
855 1548.5733don't be home on most1550.1138 
857 1550.2686ts- occasion, but uh what I understand they do after school is out, [they would]1555.2150 
858DTA_int_091554.6121[Uh-huh.]1554.9765
859DTA_se2_ag4_m_011556.3976come home, and they would wash up, they'll have their lunch1559.3347
861 1561.1288and they would probably go out side and play a1563.3804 
863 1563.5879while. And-1564.2558 
864DTA_int_091564.7012Uh-huh.1565.0979
865DTA_se2_ag4_m_011566.3610And uh1567.7218
867 1569.3859they would come back in and study.1571.0390 
869 1572.4894I have one small son that, uh, he likes to draw and tinker with [things.]1578.0621 
870DTA_int_091577.9304[Uh-huh.]1578.3431
871DTA_se2_ag4_m_011579.3723And my older son, he likes to read mostly.1582.2220
872DTA_int_091582.8678Good.1583.0753
874 1583.6123Uh.1583.9662 
876 1584.3262Can you tell me about your teachers when you were in- back in school? Did you ever have a teacher who hollered a lot?1588.7885 
877DTA_se2_ag4_m_011591.7705Uh,1591.9432
879 1593.0826Oh. I1594.4128 
881 1597.2198don't remember any teachers hollering a lot.1600.2625 
883 1601.6608They all were very nice.1604.0939 
884DTA_int_091606.6126Uh-huh.1606.9591
885DTA_se2_ag4_m_011608.6213Because1609.3780
887 1612.0690during that time, it was such a small1614.6225 
889 1618.1012after you passed elementary school, it was [such a] small1621.2489 
890DTA_int_091620.1596[Yeah.]1620.3961
891DTA_se2_ag4_m_011621.9201group that tried to go on through until we wasn't, uh, [overcrowded.]1626.0662
892DTA_int_091625.9784[I] see.1626.5711
893 1628.8184How about uh, can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had? What was she like?1632.3515
894DTA_se2_ag4_m_011633.1719<ts>1633.2452
896 1633.6052Oh that was in my elementary school.1635.6321 
897DTA_int_091635.6921Uh-huh.1636.1132
898DTA_se2_ag4_m_011637.3397I don't know why I say she was the best teacher that I have had but she would <laugh>1641.6490
900 1642.4606occasionally give me a sandwich or she would, uh, (laughing)1645.7035 
901DTA_int_091645.7035<laugh>1646.0064
903 1648.6577Good.1648.8957 
904DTA_se2_ag4_m_011648.9445take me to the shore1650.6043
906 1651.5024and1652.5912 
907DTA_int_091654.4158[/inaudible/]1654.7623
908DTA_se2_ag4_m_011654.6561[And] in my young days, cars was rare and she would take [me to s-]1659.3097
909DTA_int_091658.4593[/inaudible/]1659.3861
910DTA_se2_ag4_m_011660.1454Selma <laugh> [to the]1661.9516
911DTA_int_091661.4150[Is that right?]1662.0166
912 1662.1896That's good.1662.6534
913DTA_se2_ag4_m_011663.1721Uh that's where the1664.2064
914DTA_int_091664.3090The big [city.]1665.0726
915DTA_se2_ag4_m_011664.8545[church] were and uh she would take me there and1667.9669
916DTA_int_091668.6963Uh-huh.1669.1952
917DTA_se2_ag4_m_011669.5161oh. It was great I thought then.1671.6641
918DTA_int_091672.3642Good. Good, good.1673.0497
920 1673.8968Did you ever have a teacher you just couldn't stand? <laugh>1676.4108 
921DTA_se2_ag4_m_011678.2320I had1678.8117
923 1679.1229one1679.4952 
925 1680.2579particular teacher I didn't care too much for, but we got along.1683.7080 
926DTA_int_091683.8362Uh-huh.1684.1901
928 1687.3988What was it about her that you?1688.7769 
929DTA_se2_ag4_m_011688.8145Uh. She thought she was too smart.1691.6844
931 1691.8134[The-] she all would-1693.5624 
932DTA_int_091692.1084[Yeah.]1692.3769
933DTA_se2_ag4_m_011693.8492threw up in our face that1695.4705
935 1696.1418we could get it if we wanted, she had hers because she went to Columbia University in New York.1701.5328 
936DTA_int_091702.1783Uh-huh.1702.5324
937DTA_se2_ag4_m_011702.7580I didn't think so much of that so I didn't care too much about that teacher, see.1707.5848
938DTA_int_091708.4757How about the smartest kid in your class. Do you remember the smartest kid and what made him so smart?1713.2611
939DTA_se2_ag4_m_011714.3106Uh, this was a girl, her name was /RD-NAME-2/.1716.9567
941 1721.5038Oh. I don't see how she did it, but1723.9159 
943 1724.5992it didn't seem like anything was hard for her.1727.7415 
945 1729.4465<ts>1729.5380 
947 1733.8978But the sad part about it, the same girl1736.7812 
949 1737.8857about three month before we were supposed to graduate, she ran away and marry- got married.1742.4218 
950DTA_int_091742.4768Is that right? So she never graduated?1744.2753
951DTA_se2_ag4_m_011744.4095No.1744.8306
952DTA_int_091745.8313Huh.1746.0144
954 1747.9053How about the dumbest kid? Do you remember who-1749.7542 
956 1749.9474who the one of the dumber kids was?1751.6743 
957DTA_se2_ag4_m_011754.7030<ts> Mm.1756.0089
959 1757.1333<ts>1757.2492 
961 1758.2439We had a /slow/ girl.1759.5863 
962DTA_int_091759.8304Uh-huh.1760.1600
963DTA_se2_ag4_m_011761.3926I wouldn't say she was dumb.1762.9914
964DTA_int_091763.1989Just a matter of how to find [herself?]1765.3993
965DTA_se2_ag4_m_011765.1003[This] was the point. She just didn't try.1768.4443
966DTA_int_091768.8239Yeah.1769.0985
967DTA_se2_ag4_m_011770.0199That's the only thing.1771.2831
968DTA_int_091772.1584/inaudible/1773.1815
969DTA_se2_ag4_m_011773.5070[Mm-mm.]1773.8799
970DTA_int_091773.5070[Uh. What] time do your kids get out of school now?1775.5878
971DTA_se2_ag4_m_011776.5857One o'clock, I think.1777.8305
972DTA_int_091777.9970One o'clock.1778.5767
974 1779.3204And uh, say uh1780.7056 
976 1781.8721they get out fifteen minutes early? What time do they get out?1784.3493 
977DTA_se2_ag4_m_011787.2417Oh, if they got out fifteen minutes early, that would be twelve forty-five.1790.8762
978DTA_int_091790.7844Okay, any other way you can say twelve forty-five?1793.2008
979DTA_se2_ag4_m_011794.8663Well, I would say f- uh, fifteen minutes to one.1799.1465
980DTA_int_091799.3478Okay, any other way?1800.4950
982 1802.1520<laugh>1802.9721 
983DTA_se2_ag4_m_011803.6189I would say twelve1804.9980
984DTA_int_091805.2196Quarter?1805.7364
985DTA_se2_ag4_m_011806.3283Quarter <laugh> yeah. Quarter after-1809.1700
987 1809.4568A quarter to uh, one. [<laugh>]1811.7878 
988DTA_int_091811.3425[Okay, good.]1811.9647
989 1813.6842Is there a pe- uh group of people that you associate with in this neighborhood or from the church?1819.0133
991 1820.1335Particular group that you go around with?1822.0317 
992DTA_se2_ag4_m_011822.4162<ts>1822.7579
994 1824.9094No, I don't have no group1826.1847 
996 1826.6119that I go around with. I have some friends that I [visit]1829.7649 
997DTA_int_091829.4068[Uh-huh.]1829.7974
998DTA_se2_ag4_m_011830.0700occasionally.1831.0341
999DTA_int_091833.0178Mm-hm.1833.3840
1001 1834.0323And uh1834.5706 
1003 1835.0161your friends are about the same- about the same age as you, or?1837.9788 
1004DTA_se2_ag4_m_011838.0948<ts> Same age.1839.2603
1005DTA_int_091840.0169Uh-huh.1840.3928
1007 1840.8102Good.1841.1092 
1009 1842.3103Do any of the people you associate with speak any other languages like Spanish or?1846.8175 
1010DTA_se2_ag4_m_011848.2719 I have about two friend, but they are younger than I am. They, uh, speak Spanish.1852.7508
1011DTA_int_091853.2391Uh-huh. Good.1853.9749
1013 1854.4593Are there any um white1855.5577 
1015 1856.0946people, in the group that you go around with?1857.9063 
1016DTA_se2_ag4_m_011859.3122<ts>1859.4831
1018 1860.0115Well, as I told you, I don't have a group that I [go around] [with.]1863.2557 
1019DTA_int_091862.2151[Yeah.]1862.5097
1021 1862.9880[Uh-huh.]1863.3234 
1022DTA_se2_ag4_m_011865.2644And uh.1866.2507
1024 1870.4846F- up until a few years ago, I had a white friend that I would1873.6128 
1026 1873.8447go visit1874.5709 
1028 1874.7844[occasionally,] but1875.9133 
1029DTA_int_091874.7844[Uh-huh.]1875.2392
1030DTA_se2_ag4_m_011876.2185he has moved now.1877.1521
1031DTA_int_091878.5469What do you prefer to be called, colored or Negro?1881.4942
1032DTA_se2_ag4_m_011882.5670<ts>1882.6829
1034 1888.3081Well, as I see it, I think uh, Negro is better than colored.1892.0737 
1035DTA_int_091892.1407Uh-huh. Any particular reason why you1894.1057
1037 1894.7116think that's1895.4684 
1039 1897.3196preferable?1897.8322 
1040DTA_se2_ag4_m_011898.3753Well, as you know1899.7604
1042 1899.9923I- this colored came about,1902.4315 
1044 1902.9183the way I understand it, that uh1905.0785 
1046 1905.8953in our race, well we have (laughing)1907.7809 
1048 1909.3797some that you might say look like white and some that is black.1913.1222 
1049DTA_int_091913.5567[Mm-hm.]1913.9534
1050DTA_se2_ag4_m_011913.9147[So] I guess that's why that's colored uh1916.2972
1051 1917.0356race come by, but that's not a set pattern for our race.1920.5478
1052DTA_int_091920.8896Mm-hm.1921.3228
1053DTA_se2_ag4_m_011921.4937As I always said, uh, if I had to say, I would say we are1925.8041
1055 1926.7865American Negro1927.9953 
1057 1928.1417of African descent1929.4954 
1059 1929.7706if I had to say it.1931.0187 
1060DTA_int_091931.9706Very good.1932.5137
1061DTA_se2_ag4_m_011932.8786Mm-hm.1933.2935
1062DTA_int_091933.3180Good.1933.5377
1064 1934.7581Uh, what did you want to do1936.3022 
1066 1936.4730and be when you finished school?1938.1936 
1068 1938.7471when you were younger?1939.5600 
1069DTA_se2_ag4_m_011942.0759As a- when I was young, I e- uh,1944.8284
1071 1946.0610<ts>1946.1464 
1073 1946.7628a few of my friend that uh, graduated with me, they still, they went to Tuskegee Institute.1952.2321 
1074DTA_int_091952.7114Uh-huh.1953.1596
1075DTA_se2_ag4_m_011954.5510And they taken up agriculture.1956.7295
1077 1957.0181Mm.1957.7382 
1079 1959.1377Some went to Montgomery State and taken up teaching.1962.2404 
1080DTA_int_091962.5944Uh-huh.1962.9971
1081DTA_se2_ag4_m_011964.9665And I was gonna take up agriculture, but as <laugh>1968.2487
1083 1969.5519it was, it wasn't no financial difficulty no way.1972.4325 
1085 1973.2563It's just that I had a job.1974.8672 
1086DTA_int_091975.2639Yeah.1975.5690
1087DTA_se2_ag4_m_011976.8200And what I thought is1978.1736
1089 1978.6628was a good job at that [time.]1981.1308 
1090DTA_int_091980.5595[Yeah.]1980.9317
1091DTA_se2_ag4_m_011984.7492And in those days, a teacher wasn't making much money and I was making more money than they were.1991.2544
1093 1991.9257So, I thought that was-1993.7052 
1095 1996.3639would be fine enough for me through life, but since then I regret that day so much.2002.1105 
1096DTA_int_092002.3912Is that- what would you do over- different if you had to do it all over again?2006.1114
1098 2006.3982/Can you think?/2007.0206 
1099DTA_se2_ag4_m_012008.9186If I had it to do over again, I would2011.5244
1101 2012.0858definite.2012.9157 
1103 2015.8299If I2016.4462 
1105 2017.9133wasn't able to2019.1765 
1107 2019.4023get a degree, I would2020.8973 
1109 2021.2939definite uh2022.6852 
1111 2024.7730be able to master some trade good.2026.9932 
1112DTA_int_092027.1335Uh-huh.2027.5302
1113DTA_se2_ag4_m_012030.3860Such as2031.3562
1115 2032.2304electric work.2033.6888 
1116DTA_int_092034.3418Uh-huh.2034.6957
1117DTA_se2_ag4_m_012036.7144Plumber.2037.8609
1119 2039.7447Or tool and die, which I did [have some] experience in tool and die.2043.5951 
1120DTA_int_092042.2305[Uh-huh.]2042.4735
1121 2045.0144Good.2045.2951
1123 2046.5740Uh.2046.9462 
1125 2047.7456If you had all the money in the world, all the money you could ever want,2050.5237 
1127 2050.8044what would you do with it?2051.7402 
1128DTA_se2_ag4_m_012058.1338Well, money, as you know2059.9584
1129DTA_int_092060.2459Mm-hm.2060.6730
1130DTA_se2_ag4_m_012061.2650is not all, but it2062.3878
1132 2062.8271does make you independent.2064.4442 
1134 2066.9655If I had money that I could use2069.5345 
1136 2070.9484as I please,2072.8584 
1138 2073.3283then2073.8653 
1140 2074.6002wouldn't have to worry about2075.9366 
1142 2076.3821spending it2077.2671 
1143DTA_int_092078.0115Mm-hm.2078.3655
1144DTA_se2_ag4_m_012079.0060I don't think I would live a life much different from what I live- I'm living today.2083.2787
1146 2084.0353The only thing I would do, I would do more traveling, I would see more of the world.2088.0219 
1147DTA_int_092088.4917You'd like to see some place.2089.9072
1148DTA_se2_ag4_m_012090.4331That's one thing I would do.2091.8854
1149DTA_int_092092.9350Good.2093.1546
1151 2093.6367Uh. How about your job?2095.1317 
1153 2095.3851Uh. Can you describe what you do in a day's work?2097.8931 
1154DTA_se2_ag4_m_012100.1719Oh. Uh.2101.4961
1156 2102.0086I have had2102.9218 
1158 2103.3652quite a few jobs2105.1740 
1160 2107.8411during my course of employment.2110.2870 
1161DTA_int_092110.8226Mm-hm.2111.3099
1162DTA_se2_ag4_m_012113.6889Uh, I've2114.5055
1164 2116.2399been a new car2117.4952 
1166 2118.3031service repairman.2119.6744 
1168 2121.8427Because, it was on a factory2123.8139 
1170 2124.1564base.2124.7622 
1171DTA_int_092124.9335Yeah.2125.2013
1172DTA_se2_ag4_m_012125.5843This was at /RD-WORK-3/ in new car2127.6740
1173DTA_int_092128.4160Mm-hm.2128.7716
1174DTA_se2_ag4_m_012129.1536in the, uh, /??/ /assembly/.2130.9404
1176 2136.5545And uh.2137.6871 
1178 2138.7233<ts> I been on-2139.7989 
1180 2140.6122I did welding and welding repair.2142.8869 
1181DTA_int_092143.1678Uh-huh.2143.5586
1182DTA_se2_ag4_m_012146.2547And now, my present job is an inspector.2149.2665
1183DTA_int_092151.3052Uh-huh. What types of things do you [inspect?]2153.7559
1184DTA_se2_ag4_m_012153.6540[Oh] well, we inspect parts that goes into the automobile now2158.1864
1185 2158.7571[/into/] the car.2159.9776
1186DTA_int_092158.7571[Uh-huh.]2159.1057
1187DTA_se2_ag4_m_012161.6706Such as uh,2163.1457
1189 2164.0702molding,2165.2004 
1191 2165.5993oil pans,2167.3911 
1193 2168.0459regulators,2169.6126 
1194DTA_int_092173.5001Good.2173.7075
1195DTA_se2_ag4_m_012173.7869and different type of chrome and fittings.2177.1074
1196DTA_int_092177.7420Good.2178.0056
1198 2178.5632Uh. How about this neighborhood? What2180.2271 
1200 2180.4993do they call this part of town?2182.0008 
1202 2182.2746Any particular name that they call it?2184.0790 
1203DTA_se2_ag4_m_012185.5206<ts>2185.6085
1205 2188.1153No, I don't know of no particular name.2190.8993 
1206DTA_int_092191.2208Mm-hm.2191.7066
1207DTA_se2_ag4_m_012191.6895But I do know that they say, you know, within this2195.1765
1208 2195.3477boulevard, Avery,2196.4365
1209DTA_int_092196.7658Mm-hm.2197.0951
1210DTA_se2_ag4_m_012198.5746it is, uh,2199.9811
1212 2202.7779going to be /in an/2203.9389 
1214 2204.9838future part of the2206.5385 
1216 2207.7283urban renewal.2209.0514 
1217DTA_int_092209.4509Uh-huh. Good.2210.2236
1219 2210.9315Uh-huh. What's this city called?2212.3144 
1220DTA_se2_ag4_m_012214.6539Oh this is uh Detroit.2217.9252
1221DTA_int_092218.0186Uh-huh.2218.3726
1223 2219.4969Just trying to2220.0568 
1225 2220.3130some people say Detroit, others say Detroit (atypical pronunciation). That's all.2223.4317 
1226DTA_se2_ag4_m_012223.4693Mm-hm.2224.0429
1227DTA_int_092224.8234What are some of the streets of Detroit? What about the big ones?2227.8719
1228DTA_se2_ag4_m_012229.1187<ts>2229.1802
1230 2230.5938I would say Gratiot, uh, Grand River, uh, Woodward and uh.2235.0889 
1231DTA_int_092235.4753Uh-huh.2235.7870
1232DTA_se2_ag4_m_012236.4279Jefferson, Ford.2237.8284
1233DTA_int_092238.4925Uh-huh.2238.9257
1235 2239.3299How about the one that goes by University of Detroit?2241.7105 
1237 2242.6236/inaudible/2242.9925 
1238DTA_se2_ag4_m_012243.0188[Uh.]2244.5730
1239DTA_int_092244.0159[/inaudible/]2244.5576
1240DTA_se2_ag4_m_012245.1349Yes, that's Outer Drive.2246.8705
1241DTA_int_092246.9175Yeah.2247.2287
1243 2247.5227This one begins with a Liver.2248.6505 
1245 2249.4582Liver-2250.0158 
1247 2251.9148Goes by University [of De-]2253.0986 
1248DTA_se2_ag4_m_012252.8911[Oh Liver-]2253.8062
1249 2254.6245Livernois?2255.3564
1250DTA_int_092255.4418Yeah.2255.6676
1251DTA_se2_ag4_m_012255.8568Oh yes.2256.3900
1252DTA_int_092256.4426Good.2256.6562
1253DTA_se2_ag4_m_012257.0615I thought Outer Drive.2258.4396
1255 2259.8648[Oh that is Livernois]2260.9669 
1256DTA_int_092260.0595[/It's the same thing, yeah/.]2261.2601
1257DTA_se2_ag4_m_012261.2964Livernois, it is. That's what it is.2263.3896
1258DTA_int_092263.5520What about these big streets where they don't have uh, any traffic lights?2267.1696
1259DTA_se2_ag4_m_012270.1256<ts>2270.2232
1261 2270.7011Well I wouldn't call those big streets.2272.6295 
1262DTA_int_092273.2836Well, you know, where the cars can go fifty five and sixty miles an hour in the2277.1410
1264 2277.4396center city?2278.1596 
1265DTA_se2_ag4_m_012278.4608I would call them, uh, freeways, [express, uh]2283.1359
1266DTA_int_092281.6601[Okay. Good. Good. That's] /what I want/.2283.6430
1267 2284.2423And uh what are some of the freeways or expressways here?2287.3179
1268DTA_se2_ag4_m_012288.6742Well we have the2289.8157
1270 2290.2284Edsel Ford, we have the John C. Lodge, we have now the Chrysler's under2295.0686 
1272 2296.3901construction and we have one that is2300.2085 
1274 2301.8461under construction which is never finished that is running from uh2305.5295 
1276 2306.5261out Grand River to Madison.2308.2389 
1277DTA_int_092308.4540Uh-huh.2308.8184
1279 2309.6920Good.2309.8940 
1281 2310.7413Uh, where were you born?2312.0030 
1282DTA_se2_ag4_m_012313.8556I was born, uh,2315.3659
1284 2315.9235five miles- miles from Selma, Alabama.2319.5509 
1285DTA_int_092319.6387Is that right?2320.2728
1286DTA_se2_ag4_m_012320.4071Mm-hm.2320.8891
1287DTA_int_092321.3246/??/2321.7987
1289 2321.9831Where else have you lived in Detroit? Any place else in Detroit?2324.9493 
1290DTA_se2_ag4_m_012325.8888<ts> I lived, uh,2328.1103
1292 2330.1338I always have lived on East Side.2332.4495 
1293DTA_int_092332.7612Uh-huh.2333.2529
1295 2334.7237How about outside of Detroit? Any place besides Selma?2337.7140 
1296DTA_se2_ag4_m_012339.8707<ts> Oh yes. I've lived in2342.1624
1298 2344.0974Mobile.2345.0545 
1299DTA_int_092345.4489[Uh-huh.]2345.9191
1300DTA_se2_ag4_m_012345.4891[That is where] I married at,2346.8077
1301 2346.9883Mobile.2347.7787
1303 2348.4635<ts> I lived in Birmingham.2350.7375 
1304DTA_int_092350.7404Uh-huh.2351.1970
1306 2354.9505Where have you gone on trips?2356.1992 
1307DTA_se2_ag4_m_012357.1738Oh I have gone to2358.7186
1309 2361.1069Chicago, uh.2362.4493 
1310DTA_int_092362.8180Uh-huh.2363.2000
1311DTA_se2_ag4_m_012364.5055Cleveland2365.5680
1313 2366.5377<ts>2366.6462 
1314DTA_int_092366.6767What do you think of all these [/inaudible/]2368.0296
1315DTA_se2_ag4_m_012367.5086[Indianapolis], Buffalo.2370.2387
1316DTA_int_092371.3754Good.2371.6255
1318 2372.0705What do you think of all these goings on in-2373.8970 
1320 2374.2491in Selma now?2375.1601 
1321DTA_se2_ag4_m_012376.5672<ts>2376.6832
1323 2377.9414Well this is something that should have taken place years ago.2381.1902 
1324DTA_int_092381.3087About a hundred years ago huh?2382.6170
1325DTA_se2_ag4_m_012382.8980Well it did take place a hundred years ago, but it didn't last long.2386.1095
1326DTA_int_092386.4168Uh-huh.2386.7987
1327DTA_se2_ag4_m_012386.9656I think it lasted only, what? About, uh,2389.6584
1329 2392.0791down the Reconstruction era, I [think that] was about2395.0645 
1330DTA_int_092394.0657[/inaudible/]2394.4916
1331DTA_se2_ag4_m_012397.2904I j- don't remember how long it last, but it2399.7105
1333 2399.9827was2400.7422 
1335 2403.2886until the2404.1359 
1337 2407.5109peoples in the North and the peoples in the South2409.8158 
1339 2412.4362decided they didn't want this or that.2414.6692 
1341 2415.9775A lot of people think,2416.8468 
1343 2419.4381which it is true that uh,2421.7518 
1345 2425.2118those peoples in the South is2427.5484 
1347 2429.1954worse than some of the peoples in the North, but2431.5179 
1349 2432.1677I don't think so.2433.2784 
1351 2436.7835Because I've2437.5606 
1353 2437.8635had contact with the lot,2439.2217 
1355 2439.4412they'll laugh and run with you, but they'll cut your throat behind your back.2443.5500 
1357 2445.2885Those peoples in the South gonna come out and tell you if they like you or whether they [don't.]2450.2127 
1358DTA_int_092449.8591[Uh-huh.]2450.2496
1359 2452.1281Uh, that's pretty true.2453.2810
1361 2454.0405Uh, how about some of the holidays you celebrate around here? What are the big holidays?2457.9583 
1362DTA_se2_ag4_m_012462.2240Oh, so far as holidays is concerned, I like all holidays.2466.6248
1363DTA_int_092466.7285<laugh>2467.6194
1365 2468.0312How about that one around the twenty-fifth of December?2470.4853 
1366DTA_se2_ag4_m_012474.0299Twenty-fifth of December, oh, Christmas?2477.0802
1367DTA_int_092477.0985Yeah, how do you celebrate that?2478.2823
1368DTA_se2_ag4_m_012478.3372Mm.2479.4524
1370 2481.2985Well, Christmas is more of uh, my way of thinking is- sh- should be sacred.2487.4625 
1371DTA_int_092487.7066Uh-huh.2488.1154
1372DTA_se2_ag4_m_012489.3843Because we go to church on [Christmas]2491.6672
1373DTA_int_092491.3643[Right.]2491.7155
1374DTA_se2_ag4_m_012492.1765night.2492.6507
1375DTA_int_092493.4804Uh-huh.2493.8160
1376DTA_se2_ag4_m_012495.8292But on Christmas day, uh we might c-2498.2290
1378 2499.9061get up2500.2310 
1380 2500.9202around eight2501.5656 
1382 2502.1671thirty.2503.0479 
1383DTA_int_092503.2674Uh-huh.2503.6976
1384DTA_se2_ag4_m_012504.2771The, uh, children will open their toys2506.9728
1386 2508.5236and2509.2612 
1388 2509.7721we'll have a big dinner [and so] forth.2512.1516 
1389DTA_int_092511.3362[Uh-huh.]2511.7817
1390 2513.1784Good.2513.3847
1392 2513.9631How about that uh, holiday around October thirty-first?2517.1823 
1394 2519.1843I bet your son goes out for.2520.5557 
1395DTA_se2_ag4_m_012520.8630Well that's2521.8815
1397 2522.2459day.2523.3260 
1399 2524.5689You said October?2525.4988 
1400DTA_int_092525.6331Yeah.2525.8860
1402 2526.5862The end of October.2527.6224 
1403DTA_se2_ag4_m_012527.9999That day is most uh, what I would say2531.6263
1405 2534.2121it should be, which2535.5676 
1407 2535.8003we do mostly,2537.4291 
1409 2537.8901our family2538.9877 
1410DTA_int_092539.3265Uh-huh.2539.7055
1412 2540.5133[This is the] time when uh.2541.9627 
1413DTA_se2_ag4_m_012540.6629[dinner.]2541.1145
1414 2542.0786That Thanksgiving [isn't it?]2543.3060
1415DTA_int_092543.0489[Uh.] Uh. That's November, October when the-2545.5867
1416 2545.7508the ladies on brooms ride,2547.3824
1418 2548.1638the kids like it.2548.9409 
1419DTA_se2_ag4_m_012549.6960Oh, I don't2550.4566
1421 2552.3834have too much stress on that.2553.9722 
1422DTA_int_092554.1491What's the name on that2555.2963
1424 2555.5221holiday?2556.0548 
1425DTA_se2_ag4_m_012559.5752October the [thirty-first?]2561.6797
1426DTA_int_092561.3615[Yeah.] The end of October, when the witches,2563.4606
1427DTA_se2_ag4_m_012563.7251October, [November.]2565.4066
1428DTA_int_092564.6621 [they have the things] they uh, carved out. They put 'em in the window.2567.8163
1429DTA_se2_ag4_m_012567.8339<ts> That't not a legal holiday.2569.1998
1430DTA_int_092569.5993No.2569.8364
1432 2570.3527It's just uh-2570.9849 
1434 2571.3274[for] the kids.2571.8454 
1435DTA_se2_ag4_m_012571.3386[Oh.]2571.5155
1436 2571.9288Well, we don't uh2573.5928
1438 2575.3747celebrate that so2576.4459 
1440 2576.7444[much] that I know of.2577.9649 
1441DTA_int_092576.9579[Uh-huh.]2577.3180
1442 2578.5395The kids dress up in costumes2580.5678
1444 2581.2345and they go around the neighborhood.2582.5390 
1445DTA_se2_ag4_m_012583.5131Oh. Halloween?2584.7726
1446DTA_int_092584.7848Yeah. That's it.2585.5370
1447DTA_se2_ag4_m_012590.4546Well, on that day, uh,2593.0932
1449 2593.9795quite naturally, if you have children,2595.9595 
1450DTA_int_092596.1044Uh-huh.2596.4951
1451DTA_se2_ag4_m_012599.7565you going to2600.8585
1453 2601.9692have your porch light on.2603.2073 
1454DTA_int_092604.2099Uh-huh. And what's those things they carve out and put in the windows sometimes?2607.7369
1455DTA_se2_ag4_m_012607.9872Pumpkins?2608.8679
1456DTA_int_092608.9289Uh-huh. And what are those ladies that fly on brooms?2611.3978
1457DTA_se2_ag4_m_012612.2902Oh they call them [witches.]2614.3009
1458DTA_int_092613.9661[<laugh>]2614.2834
1459 2614.7559Okay, a-2615.6339
1461 2616.1876What do the kids say when they go up to the door?2617.9569 
1462DTA_se2_ag4_m_012620.8303What I can understand, they say trick or [treat.]2623.3149
1463DTA_int_092623.1623[Anything] else they could say?2624.4578
1464DTA_se2_ag4_m_012625.7287That's all I remember.2626.9593
1465DTA_int_092626.8998Okay, good.2627.4417
1466 2628.0594Uh. How about the night before, when they um2630.3325
1468 2630.6661can do mischief, they can ring doorbells and2633.0237 
1470 2633.6117turn over garbage pails. Is there any special name you call that night?2636.7362 
1471DTA_se2_ag4_m_012639.4686Not no specia- I- if it does, I don't remember it. Uh.2642.9797
1473 2643.6646But I know of2644.4724 
1474DTA_int_092646.3234Uh-huh2646.6652
1475DTA_se2_ag4_m_012646.6652some2647.3854
1476 2647.9122children might go through the neighborhood and turn over garbage cans and2651.5122
1478 2651.6263thing like that. Mark your windows and so forth.2654.2835 
1479DTA_int_092654.6172Okay, good. Um.2655.7148
1481 2656.0528What kinds of things do fights start around here in the neighborhood?2659.2138 
1482DTA_se2_ag4_m_012660.2807Fight?2660.9846
1483DTA_int_092661.0212Yeah.2661.2592
1484DTA_se2_ag4_m_012666.8238I don't see too many fights2668.2331
1486 2668.5931among the adults [/or the/]2670.5275 
1487DTA_int_092670.0858[Uh-huh.]2670.5275
1488DTA_se2_ag4_m_012670.8085teenagers, but among the children, well I2673.0695
1490 2673.9695they can start a fight just over a toy or over one holding a ball too long.2678.2878 
1491DTA_int_092678.7049Uh-huh.2679.0605
1492DTA_se2_ag4_m_012679.6049But those fights don't last long when they-2682.5250
1493DTA_int_092683.4974Are there any rules for a fair fight?2685.3106
1495 2685.5453/inaudible/2686.1215 
1496DTA_se2_ag4_m_012688.4584Not that I can see, it's no [rules.]2691.9671
1497DTA_int_092691.6986[How about] if you're wrestling and fighting or something and don't want to fight anymore, is there anything you can say I don't want to fight anymore?2696.9130
1498DTA_se2_ag4_m_012697.4442Well, uh, what I used to say when I was a teenager, I would tell the fella if2701.9700
1500 2702.4178he was getting the best of me, I would tell him he was the best,2705.4866 
1502 2705.5876I give.2706.4393 
1503DTA_int_092706.5403Uh-huh. [I give.]2707.3259
1504DTA_se2_ag4_m_012706.7993[And we'll] get up and [shake hands.]2709.0224
1505DTA_int_092707.8247[Anything else you can say] besides I give?2710.0190
1506DTA_se2_ag4_m_012713.2129I tell him I've had enough.2714.5578
1507DTA_int_092714.5915Uh-huh. Well good.2715.4256
1509 2718.5356How about the teenagers around here, do they fight in gangs or?2722.1806 
1510DTA_se2_ag4_m_012722.7337No, we used to have2724.6527
1511DTA_int_092725.7662Uh-huh.2726.1320
1512DTA_se2_ag4_m_012726.0056before the war. I mean, shortly after the war too.2729.4788
1513DTA_int_092730.0639Uh-huh.2730.4789
1514DTA_se2_ag4_m_012732.1234But since the Korean War, we haven't had too many teen gangs.2736.5730
1515DTA_int_092736.6096Uh-huh.2737.0795
1516DTA_se2_ag4_m_012737.5470I've known a time that I had a son- this- this son that had on the uniform.2742.0695
1517DTA_int_092742.2587Uh-huh.2742.6002
1518DTA_se2_ag4_m_012743.1095He had a little job at a theater,2745.1438
1520 2747.1370his mother and I- uh, mother or I would have to pick him up every night.2750.9796 
1521DTA_int_092751.4230Is that right? It was so dangerous [then?]2753.2848
1522DTA_se2_ag4_m_012752.8027[Oh yes.]2753.5716
1523 2753.7729Mm-hm.2754.1208
1524DTA_int_092755.3276What would they do? Jump him? /inaudible/2756.7369
1525DTA_se2_ag4_m_012758.7421Well it's certain thing they would demand.2760.8357
1527 2761.6408They would demand2763.1423 
1529 2767.5276that he let them into the show2769.3191 
1531 2769.6547without pay.2770.4328 
1532DTA_int_092770.6435Oh.2771.1436
1533DTA_se2_ag4_m_012772.5314Or if they needed s-2774.0965
1535 2774.6145some change to make out what they want, that he would give it to them.2778.1915 
1536DTA_int_092779.7176Hm, /inaudible/2780.8183
1538 2781.4897Have you ever been in the hospital?2782.7321 
1539DTA_se2_ag4_m_012783.0246Oh yes. Recently.2784.1749
1540DTA_int_092784.5041Is that right? What was the worst illness you've ever had?2786.8785
1541DTA_se2_ag4_m_012788.0191The worst what?2788.4933
1542DTA_int_092788.7479Illness you've ever had.2789.8581
1543DTA_se2_ag4_m_012790.8283Ulcers.2791.7635
1544DTA_int_092792.1992Uh-huh.2792.6206
1546 2794.0387This was just recently?2795.1363 
1547DTA_se2_ag4_m_012795.5402Oh yes. Mm-hm.2796.5043
1548DTA_int_092796.8277Uh-huh.2797.2793
1550 2799.4228Uh. When a person starts to sneeze or cough, you might say uh2802.6453 
1552 2802.8428don't get near- near me, I don't wanna2804.5243 
1554 2805.1526what your cold?2805.9517 
1555DTA_se2_ag4_m_012810.3463Well y- e-2811.2946
1557 2812.5678a person shouldn't have to tell one that.2814.2822 
1558DTA_int_092814.3349Okay, but is there a special phrase they can use a word in the- get away, I don't wanna2818.4206
1560 2818.9869what your cold.2819.7289 
1561DTA_se2_ag4_m_012820.5372Only thing I would say if I saw some2823.4819
1563 2823.6582one coughing2824.6306 
1565 2824.8062to the extreme, I would tell them they should see their doctor. Or shoul- they should stay in bed or-2830.0794 
1567 2830.5887or stay at home.2831.8048 
1568DTA_int_092832.3783Uh-huh.2832.7734
1570 2834.1750Good.2834.3506 
1572 2835.4131Have you ever been in an automobile accident?2837.4513 
1573DTA_se2_ag4_m_012840.6123No.2841.2006