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1DTA_int_030.9101Okay.1.4355
3 2.0078Let's check and make sure this thing's going.3.9163 
5 4.8704Alright.5.1940 
7 5.6826Uh,6.0429 
9 7.3804would you like to8.0108 
11 8.1269talk to me about games you used to play when you were a kid?11.0811 
12DTA_se2_ag4_m_0211.9941Well I played, uh,13.4001
14 14.8170a little bit of basketball.17.0237 
15DTA_int_0317.0719[Uh-huh.]17.2734
16DTA_se2_ag4_m_0217.2211[And] then I played- uh, I played quite a bit of softball.20.2521
17DTA_int_0320.4902Uh-huh.20.8110
18DTA_se2_ag4_m_0221.0185I played on a21.8552
20 22.2252team, which I was the only23.7895 
22 24.9804colored25.4628 
24 25.8856on the team.26.8261 
25DTA_int_0327.0704[Mm-hm.]27.3513
26DTA_se2_ag4_m_0227.3208[And]28.0750
27 29.1085this team was sponsored by the man which I worked for, for over twenty years. I worked for that man out of /RD-WORK-7/.34.9956
29 35.1635[I worked] there for [twenty year.]36.3513 
30DTA_int_0335.1635[Mm-hm.]35.4784
32 35.9238[Were you at] /RD-WORK-2/?36.5928 
33DTA_se2_ag4_m_0237.3071I wasn't going to /RD-WORK-2/, [I was] working39.5739
34DTA_int_0338.5372[Oh.]38.6794
35DTA_se2_ag4_m_0239.7422p- at the store there. [And,]41.4936
36DTA_int_0341.1147[Mm-hm.]41.3559
37DTA_se2_ag4_m_0242.1467I worked for that man for twenty years and44.3337
39 44.5849saw I played quite a good, uh,45.8491 
41 46.2216baseball there with them.47.6063 
42DTA_int_0347.9757Mm-hm.48.2702
43DTA_se2_ag4_m_0248.8185And, uh, that's about all the games- other than,51.9071
45 52.2521like kid games. Hide and go seek and that kind of [stuff,] and those kind of things [/I played/.]57.4307 
46DTA_int_0355.1575[Mm-hm.]55.3984
48 57.1192[Did you] play hide and go seek?58.2765 
49DTA_se2_ag4_m_0258.5514Oh, yes. Hide and go seek and,60.5323
51 61.2155uh,61.9345 
53 62.1971post office, and all of those. Don't you- uh, do you know anything about those kind of games? [<laugh>]67.4459 
54DTA_int_0367.1522[Oh,] yeah. [<laugh>]69.2536
55DTA_se2_ag4_m_0267.8490[<laugh> And all of 'em.]69.2261
56DTA_int_0369.6383How did you play hide and go seek?70.9894
58 71.1024What did you say?71.8200 
59DTA_se2_ag4_m_0271.9177Uh, well we'd say,73.7818
61 74.7742uh, wa-75.9590 
63 77.1513one, two, three,78.4093 
65 79.9864All everybody hid?81.0027 
67 82.2155Here I come, both eyes open, [and, uh. <laugh>]86.3436 
68DTA_int_0384.4429[/inaudible/]85.4602
69DTA_se2_ag4_m_0286.7956Then we'd started looking for one, and, of course naturally when90.0137
71 90.3941you saw one, you say, one two three, and so and so.92.7742 
73 93.1223And then you got to go back and touch the94.8215 
75 95.0077place where you was,96.1864 
77 96.5651uh,97.1666 
78DTA_int_0397.8856Place where you were?98.4788
79DTA_se2_ag4_m_0298.4139where you there hiding at, you know where he was counting from, see.101.1390
80DTA_int_03101.5726Yeah. [Now, what's] that called, that place?103.7787
81DTA_se2_ag4_m_02101.8169[And.]102.0734
82DTA_int_03104.7009Any [special name?]105.5499
83DTA_se2_ag4_m_02104.9818[You know, now I've] forgot that- th- uh, n- we didn't- I don't believe we gave it any name, we just, like- we'd pick out a tree like that tree setting out there, and we didn't call it nothing. But that's113.8414
84 114.1880where you'd have to run back to, to touch that, uh,116.3222
86 116.8810when you found one. And118.4170 
88 118.9009to keep him from getting home on you- oh, they call that [home.]121.9340 
89DTA_int_03121.7515[They call] it home?122.4077
90DTA_se2_ag4_m_02122.5146[That's] right.123.0520
91DTA_int_03122.7131[/?/]122.8688
92 123.0673What did they call it when he beat you back there?125.2978
93DTA_se2_ag4_m_02125.7223[Uh, yeah-] uh, well he went free.128.0199
94DTA_int_03125.8627[And he got away?]126.7024
95 128.2428He [got free?]128.6013
96DTA_se2_ag4_m_02128.3314[He's] home free. [I'm home] free. Yeah, he's home free. (laughing)131.2795
97DTA_int_03129.2780[Uh-huh.]129.5070
98DTA_se2_ag4_m_02131.6429So he didn't have to-132.9589
100 133.2002he d- he didn't- he was home free.135.0050 
102 135.0948He was [out of it.]135.8918 
103DTA_int_03135.5465[Mm-hm.]135.7879
104DTA_se2_ag4_m_02136.2154Mm-hm.136.5391
105DTA_int_03137.1635[Uh,] how did you-138.2566
106DTA_se2_ag4_m_02137.2154[Yeah.]137.3925
107DTA_int_03138.6127let's see.139.0353
109 139.2399Did you ever play marbles?140.2789 
110DTA_se2_ag4_m_02140.7161Oh, yeah. That's the one game I forgot. Why yes, I played marbles [/actually/.]144.7897
111DTA_int_03144.2322[You good at marbles?]145.0101
112DTA_se2_ag4_m_02145.3193W- yeah- well, I was pretty good at marbles. We played, uh,147.9559
114 148.6277of course we'd slip and do let's play for keeps, so you see, yeah that's- see, our parents thought we'd play for fun, but we'd get around and hide and155.7955 
116 156.4795we'd play for keeps. We had agates, onyx, and agate was the top marble- uh, marble. [It was] the best, see. And163.1727 
117DTA_int_03161.6948[Uh-huh.]161.9635
118 163.1727Did you have a s-163.6291
120 163.7451a nickname for those? The [agates?]165.1937 
121DTA_se2_ag4_m_02164.9848[No,] no nickname. It was just- I had a- just an agate and, uh, a onyx.168.8103
122 169.0292And then the others170.3092
124 171.2291which was made of, uh, crock. The- it was called174.2871 
126 174.3971/marble/174.9587 
128 175.1727[and,] the agates and onyx /was/ look like glass there.177.8589 
129DTA_int_03175.1971[Mm-hm.]175.4685
130 178.1527[Yeah.]178.3054
131DTA_se2_ag4_m_02178.1574[The agate] though, it was very hard. I don't know what it was made out of, but it was almost like a pearl. It was very hard, ju- you could- you couldn't hardly find one.186.2291
132DTA_int_03186.7116[Yeah.]186.9956
133DTA_se2_ag4_m_02186.9620[And] when you got one, oh, boy it is worth something to you. It's /weight/ in marbles, you'd get a whole hand full of marble if you192.7095
134 192.8387found one, see.193.4658
135DTA_int_03193.6871Yeah.193.9788
136DTA_se2_ag4_m_02194.1573And, uh, we [had-]194.9573
137DTA_int_03194.8199[Did] you ever play with your agates when you were playing for keeps?197.4138
138DTA_se2_ag4_m_02197.7314Yeah. Oh, yeah.198.7452
140 199.2044But you'd have to have an agate to put against mine, see, and [a good] one. And, yeah, oh. And, uh, th- [play] with the agates for keep and- (laughing)206.9665 
141DTA_int_03202.1069[Ah.]202.3957
143 205.1574[<laugh>]205.6016 
144 207.5650Yeah.207.9902
145DTA_se2_ag4_m_02208.0414Oh, we'd get broke209.4627
147 209.5848sometimes though you'd wanna fight, but, uh, it wasn't in the game back there then, of course214.1116 
149 214.5024the-215.0291 
151 215.5909back there then,216.5009 
153 217.5971I think they're-218.6703 
155 219.3909they played more sociable than they do now. They- they-223.4444 
157 223.9558in other words, you was more of a sport. You either win or lost, you just lost. That's all. And228.1445 
159 228.5375you take kids playing now, I- the way I see it now they get out here and if I lose then I'm ready to fight, cause I ain't gonna let you have it. [<laugh>] And [that's it.]234.8032 
160DTA_int_03234.4612[Yeah.]234.7543
161 235.7603No [sporting.]236.5845
162DTA_se2_ag4_m_02236.5023[Mm-hm.] No sport to it. There's no [joy.]238.6351
163DTA_int_03238.5008[How] did you play?239.2703
164 239.6398Did you have a-240.2783
166 240.5925a [line?]241.1611 
167DTA_se2_ag4_m_02241.1146[Well] you have a s- you have a circle.243.7054
168 243.8917You make a circle that you put the marble in.246.2291
169DTA_int_03246.3543Mm-hm.246.6902
170DTA_se2_ag4_m_02246.9772The marbles in where how many of youse playing and,249.8459
172 250.0505uh, whatever the stakes was. So [you could be] one, two, three, or what.254.3069 
173DTA_int_03252.1314[Mm-hm.]252.4231
174DTA_se2_ag4_m_02255.3207And then you draw a line back here, the-257.5512
176 258.1100what would they call that line? We call that line-260.1420 
178 261.6841now there was space /??/ so forth. That's where you had to shoot from.264.6993 
179DTA_int_03264.8734What did you shoot with? [Your?]266.1107
180DTA_se2_ag4_m_02266.0168[I] use- I u- usually I had a268.3406
181 268.5787good,268.9496
183 269.3191uh, onyx I'd shoot. I didn't use the agate, [see.]271.8916 
184DTA_int_03271.2931[/You said/ what?]271.8198
185DTA_se2_ag4_m_02272.0351The onyx272.6000
186DTA_int_03272.8871[Uh-huh.]273.0554
187DTA_se2_ag4_m_02272.8993[marble. That's what it's called, I- good onyx. Good sized one.275.3510
188 275.9939And you see, you would have to what-277.3929
190 277.5006whatchu knocked out of there, that's what you won. What you knocked out of that ring when you shot281.2423 
192 281.3787in there, that's what- that's what you got. That's [whatchu won.]284.2153 
193DTA_int_03283.8092[Did you have] a special name for a big marble?285.7339
194DTA_se2_ag4_m_02286.7603Uh, no I don't believe. I don't ever recall having a special name for a larger [one. No.]292.0780
195DTA_int_03291.7437[What about]292.0841
196 292.2690for the one you shot with?293.5212
197DTA_se2_ag4_m_02293.9817And the one- that one- we'd just hit it and that was one that I used it as my shooting298.3070
198DTA_int_03298.5014[Yeah.]298.6840
199DTA_se2_ag4_m_02298.6473[uh,]299.1634
200DTA_int_03299.0870[It's] your shooting [marble.]300.1602
201DTA_se2_ag4_m_02299.6275[shooting m-] marble. Yes. W- one I shoot with, that's the only /unintelligible/.303.1680
202DTA_int_03303.6840[What do] call the line that you shot from?305.7344
203DTA_se2_ag4_m_02303.8428[/?/]303.9863
204 305.7802That's what I was trying to think of a while ago, what we called that line. And that's where we got back to. And I can't think of any name we called it, we'd just312.2779
206 312.4245space it off and draw313.5740 
208 313.8427one on each side of the-315.1313 
210 316.2276the ring. And317.2916 
211DTA_int_03317.5389Mm-hm.317.7619
212DTA_se2_ag4_m_02317.8016you was in318.6099
214 318.9375/?/-319.0291 
216 320.3221if- a- and that's where you321.5039 
218 321.7787started to shoot from. But if you happened to shoot and and your marble rolled beyond the other line on the other side, that's where you shot from.328.0169 
219DTA_int_03328.2031Mm-hm.328.5166
220DTA_se2_ag4_m_02328.6031And I can't think of what we called this line. I don't know whether we had a name for it, now [or not.]332.4915
221DTA_int_03332.0609[I called] it a tall line.333.5339
222DTA_se2_ag4_m_02334.0627It could be, maybe [it w-] but I [don't r- y- yeah.] I don't remember whether we called it that or not. Mm-hm.340.4291
223DTA_int_03335.3185[Oh.]335.5507
225 336.3329[But you'd remember it if that /was it/.]337.7324 
226 341.2916Uh,341.5818
228 341.7405did you ever-342.4458 
230 343.1359let's see.343.5465 
232 343.9832The girls would, but did you guys ever jump rope?346.3603 
233DTA_se2_ag4_m_02346.8183Oh, yeah. I jumped with the girls. I played with the girls, just like I did with the boys. I was a,351.2077
235 351.8000uh, in fact, uh,353.2000 
237 353.3191yeah we'd jump rope and- of all kind, and- by ourself and then357.0550 
239 357.2840three or four of us358.1751 
241 358.6045takes the rope.359.0595 
243 359.2946One get a long rope /and I spent time here/ and I jump [rope. Uh.]361.9007 
244DTA_int_03361.6442[Did you ever] use two ropes?362.7649
245DTA_se2_ag4_m_02363.1405No, never did.364.1665
247 364.6595[Nah.]365.0290 
248DTA_int_03364.9007[Uh.]365.1572
249DTA_se2_ag4_m_02365.2977What you mean? Two ropes that t-366.9741
251 367.4962that-367.8280 
252DTA_int_03367.8488Jump [together.]368.5175
253DTA_se2_ag4_m_02368.2916[n- no.] Never did. No, never did use two ropes. We never did use th- use two rope like that.372.7115
254DTA_int_03373.2581[What did you] say when you jumped rope?374.7192
255DTA_se2_ag4_m_02373.3633[What-]373.5190
256DTA_int_03375.1741[With the long rope.]375.9995
257DTA_se2_ag4_m_02375.2565[Mm-hm. There- with the long rope?]376.8946
258DTA_int_03377.2885Did you say [anything special?]378.6107
259DTA_se2_ag4_m_02377.9145[Uh, yes. We sang] this- we had little somethings. Well I can't think of that now, it's been so long.382.6137
260DTA_int_03378.8245[Yeah.]379.0901
261DTA_se2_ag4_m_02382.9465You know, I'm sixty-three years old and [going back] down there. [Y- <laugh>] You- you- you're really pulling me down. [<laugh>] (laughing)390.3580
262DTA_int_03384.5756[/inaudible/.]385.0046
264 385.9801[/Now that's/ /unintelligible/.]386.7374 
266 389.7160[Right.]390.2290 
267 390.3908I'm sorry.390.8608
268DTA_se2_ag4_m_02390.9588Yeah, you- I- I can't think of what we did393.3603
270 393.7451sing. But when they had a little395.4015 
272 395.7007song that we sang as they jump. Well a lot time they sang a little- some kind of little something, but [I can't] think of it. Uh, what it was when we jumped rope.401.9542 
273DTA_int_03399.5863[Mm-hm.]399.8327
274DTA_se2_ag4_m_02402.5282Mm-hm.403.0901
276 403.7114That- [uh, we] had the b-404.8229 
277DTA_int_03403.8641[Yeah.]404.1862
278DTA_se2_ag4_m_02404.9969we had a lot of fun jumping rope. We406.6747
280 406.9831played the b-407.8748 
282 408.1435that-408.6076 
284 409.4321that from /where from/- that from one to the other. And then we p- we had another /one/412.4579 
286 413.0045/?/413.1816 
288 413.3587uh, called leap frog. That's what the [boys played] too. [We-]416.4412 
289DTA_int_03415.5221[Mm-hm.]415.7858
291 416.1603[Leap frog?]416.5877 
292DTA_se2_ag4_m_02416.9127And leap frog. Mm-hm, yeah.418.2133
293DTA_int_03418.2550Now did you-418.9251
295 419.0891did you kneel down or did you jump over people's [shoulders?]422.1114 
296DTA_se2_ag4_m_02421.9587[You] jumped right over- well, see the one with the- he wouldn't kneel down, he would stand and bow over, put his hands on his knees. And then you had to j-428.5175
297 428.7984jump-429.0519
299 429.7023hit his shoulders and jump430.9221 
301 431.2549over, see. And,432.3939 
302DTA_int_03432.4733Mm-hm.432.7211
303DTA_se2_ag4_m_02432.8763leap frog and, uh,434.1938
305 434.3435/one when/ called- we- we- we called- whatchu call, uh,437.3679 
307 437.8565he would set the goal,438.9130 
309 439.3344see.439.7509 
311 439.9557And this one would get down here and441.5374 
313 441.9221he'd get back here to start and jump. And444.2870 
315 445.0809he'd call that-445.6717 
317 445.8821that's over.446.8137 
318DTA_int_03447.1984[Mm-hm.]447.4336
319DTA_se2_ag4_m_02447.3908[That] one jump, that's over. Now you'd have to jump, and this guy would walk up-450.8030
320 451.1145well he wouldn't walk up there.452.0686
322 453.1313And then all are made to jump, and when they over jump456.1339 
324 456.9893the guy that457.4687 
326 457.7052was the setter,458.5847 
328 458.7221[see.]459.1282 
329DTA_int_03459.0458[Mm-hm.]459.2900
330DTA_se2_ag4_m_02460.2122He called them /?/ over. Well if all of 'em made it over463.0717
332 463.9984this jump464.7022 
334 465.0458they was alright.465.9049 
336 466.1572But the guy that didn't make it over,467.6427 
338 467.8381then he was the guy that was down. He got down and let the other guy up, [see?]471.4916 
339DTA_int_03471.1771[Oh.]471.4484
340DTA_se2_ag4_m_02472.1420Then this guy then proceeded after the jump, put this guy to- went down. He'd get out where the-476.9664
342 477.6504he'd jumped to.478.3832 
344 478.9037So then479.4564 
346 479.5663he'd have to make it all the way and481.2542 
348 481.3655out further, and then he'd call that483.3847 
350 483.8183one and over. That's make- ma- mean making one step486.5496 
351DTA_int_03487.2794Mm-hm.487.5861
352DTA_se2_ag4_m_02487.6686and then the jump488.6335
354 488.8198over. Hit the guy and jump over, again so on until he got out /so far/.492.2784 
356 492.6687And the- when this set- when this setter-494.5266 
358 494.9267if somebody out-jumped the setter,496.6319 
360 497.3190then the setter was the guy that went down, [see.]499.3230 
361DTA_int_03499.1603[Uh-huh.]499.5478
362DTA_se2_ag4_m_02499.5526[<laugh>] So he was-501.6809
363DTA_int_03500.1083[Uh-huh.]500.4737
364DTA_se2_ag4_m_02502.1725uh, he was the one that had to be the-503.9541
365DTA_int_03504.2656How [did you decide] who was the setter?506.2762
366DTA_se2_ag4_m_02504.5190[/the other guy/.]504.9649
367 507.0030Well, uh,507.7481
369 508.0473we just, uh,509.0839 
371 509.2769come out and they-510.6503 
373 511.1084we'd mostly511.8625 
375 511.9558choose that between ourself. I don't think we had any particular way to decide. Just somebody say,515.6549 
377 516.0641well I'll- I'll be the- uh,518.1052 
379 518.4991I'll be the setter.519.3981 
381 519.5596Well okay.520.1969 
383 520.4107He'd be the setter, well521.4019 
385 521.9816I say to the guy, if I'm a better jumper than you would be524.8259 
387 525.3541I'd be glad to let you be the setter, see.527.3098 
388DTA_int_03527.7159[Mm-hm.]528.0526
389DTA_se2_ag4_m_02527.9785[S-] cause I wouldn't have to be the chance to- m- him getting down, but I could out jump you anytime. Whenever you set.532.8946
390 533.0489And533.2427
391DTA_int_03533.2945Mm-hm.533.5602
392DTA_se2_ag4_m_02533.5602I'd be glad. But the guy that was down535.6397
393 536.5236he'd be the guy, well, he'd take his- oh, yeah I'd go- I'll be the first down guy. And, [uh,]540.9282
394DTA_int_03540.8671[Mm-hm.]541.1298
395DTA_se2_ag4_m_02541.2000at that, we didn't say, we didn't have a542.6762
397 542.8259way of543.2917 
399 543.4457choosing one /the more in that way/.544.8609 
401 545.8656But the guy that, uh, did the setting, uh,548.3129 
403 549.2595and- p- and a lot of the b- guys- the best jumpers, they's try to stay out of being the setter, because he would553.4565 
405 553.9037<laugh> you know, they could beat this guy at jumping. And that's happening. Uh, mm-hm.557.6976 
406DTA_int_03558.1892But,558.4885
407DTA_se2_ag4_m_02558.5862[Yeah.]558.8366
408DTA_int_03558.7643[setting for, /inaudible/.]560.3373
409DTA_se2_ag4_m_02559.4656[Set- yeah. And-] yeah. And then561.2717
410 561.6373/??/ folk, you put him down there, see. Get [him down.] (laughing)564.4213
411DTA_int_03564.1373[Yeah.]564.3652
412 565.5349Uh, let's see,566.4381
414 566.7342did you ever play any games with chalk on the sidewalk?569.3953 
415DTA_se2_ag4_m_02570.4335Mm, no. [I] never played- I- we never played that when I was a kid.574.7685
416DTA_int_03571.2895[/inaudible/.]571.6784
417DTA_se2_ag4_m_02574.8654And, uh, I played that576.2399
419 577.3526with my kid.578.5005 
420DTA_int_03578.6312Yeah.578.8197
422 579.0396Yeah.579.2320 
423DTA_se2_ag4_m_02579.5648I played that with my kids. I never played that when I was a kid. I played-583.4759
425 583.9678we called it hopscotch, and played it then.586.0686 
427 586.4290We- but I play- I did play that with my kids. Not too much, I'd just get out sometimes when they was playing, and I'd say, let me show you how to do it, and593.6701 
428DTA_int_03593.9846/Mm-hm/.594.2564
429DTA_se2_ag4_m_02594.3144try to do it, and of course I could do about as good as they could at the time, cause I played with 'em598.5755
431 598.8976often, up til they was all grown. I- when I came up with my children, I played with all of 'em. We'd get out and run-604.3717 
433 605.9052I have three607.2999 
435 607.8151girls and two boys. And609.9905 
437 610.1816they would try to whip me, but they couldn't handle me.613.1450 
439 613.3831/So/. <laugh>614.7705 
441 615.4396That was the way that went. And I played with them all along.618.0576 
443 618.9251Mm-hm.619.4595 
444DTA_int_03619.6410Did you ever play any running games? Where one person would chase everybody else?623.1968
445DTA_se2_ag4_m_02625.1480N- no, I don't recall that one, where that one-628.5840
447 629.4594I've saw kids play, but I don't remember us playing any running games. Except for the- back when I was a kid, I've saw other kids play it, but I didn't637.3284 
449 637.4540play. I- I didn't play that /any/.639.0271 
451 639.8030I played, uh,640.7754 
453 641.1724uh,641.6368 
455 643.3801what was that game? When you said running games, I-645.6075 
457 648.2045this was a game which I- p- and you-650.2834 
459 651.2167probably never heard of. We played this one was uh,654.2472 
461 656.4136we call it, uh,658.0045 
463 658.9006herding sheep.659.8105 
464DTA_int_03660.4396Mm-hm.660.7724
465DTA_se2_ag4_m_02661.8487And we'd get a- it'd be a bunch of us and we'd get- find all the tin cups we could find.666.4216
466DTA_int_03666.9984Tin cups?667.5847
467DTA_se2_ag4_m_02667.6777Mm-hm.668.1998
469 668.3922[Tin cans.]669.1434 
470DTA_int_03668.4594[/And what would you do/?]669.1995
471DTA_se2_ag4_m_02669.5892We had a stick and we'd knock 'em along in a bunch. And all of us would go out along ahead and we'd knock 'em along /at some point/. And676.1113
473 676.8334oh, we'd677.3220 
475 677.6059take 'em,678.2346 
477 678.3853uh, then, uh, we'd hit-679.8853 
479 680.1235wouldn't be-680.8808 
481 681.3327what I mean- it wasn't a road, it would be the-683.5923 
483 684.8060take 'em down through the686.0258 
485 686.4105pasture here, and we'd drive 'em, push 'em here to /Puritan around there./690.2899 
487 690.4731And then-690.7846 
488DTA_int_03690.7846/?/690.9094
489DTA_se2_ag4_m_02690.9587turn around and bring 'em back. We'd have 'em tin cups, all the tin cups. We kept- we called it herding sheep. (laughing)695.6701
491 695.8441[<laugh>] /We would/.697.9534 
492DTA_int_03696.2197[/inaudible/]697.0455
493 697.9965We used to do that with tires, some people do /inaudible/ and then rolling 'em like [/inaudible/]701.9515
494DTA_se2_ag4_m_02701.7708[I mean-] well- uh, not automobile tires, I did that with a,704.7372
495 704.8624uh,705.6548
497 706.6335well what we would call it,707.7922 
499 707.9968uh,708.4273 
501 708.5281w-708.7646 
503 709.3249wagon wheel bands.710.9754 
504DTA_int_03711.0395[Uh-huh.]711.2991
505DTA_se2_ag4_m_02711.2747[See,] this was a big712.2090
506 712.5402band, about this high.713.8464
507DTA_int_03714.0823Yeah.714.2960
509 714.7785[Would you roll it with] your hand [or]716.0593 
510DTA_se2_ag4_m_02714.8548[Goes all the way.]715.4686
512 715.8609[Yeah- yeah. Rolled] with a hand.717.5106 
513DTA_int_03716.2615[a stick.]716.4774
514 717.7052Uh-huh.717.9281
515DTA_se2_ag4_m_02718.0197We didn't do- we- we would roll with our hands. And see who could beat the other in rolling the with- w- with their hands. Roll-723.7724
517 724.3373course, we'd just run races. And I'd beat you, and that'd be it. And we'd turn around and b- yeah, we rolled them for730.1419 
518DTA_int_03730.4381[<laugh>]730.9323
519DTA_se2_ag4_m_02730.8153[miles.] This wasn't the732.6197
520 733.0533tire, it was a734.1051
522 734.8930wagon wheel band, which is stood about that high, you [see /yeah/.]737.4044 
523DTA_int_03737.1906[Bet it rolled better than a tire.]738.6834
524DTA_se2_ag4_m_02737.8227[And it roll- and it had] roll-739.1327
525 739.3800and it wouldn't be anything. Wouldn't be any spokes in it.741.3021
527 741.5434/Fact it was/ just the band that goes around- went around the [whole thing] see.744.6691 
528DTA_int_03743.9846[Mm.]744.2414
529DTA_se2_ag4_m_02745.1022Then we'd roll that.745.8425
531 745.9677And we had- (laughing) we didn't roll no tires.748.1602 
533 748.5663My kid rolled out a big old tire (laughing).750.3937 
535 750.7510Back then, when I was playing, wasn't any752.6914 
537 752.9296tires to roll.753.9617 
539 754.7662Probably the parent caught you rolling the tire, <laugh> you would roll out another cause (laughing) he want it for his car.760.1357 
541 761.0807[Mm.]761.4044 
542DTA_int_03761.0990[Oh these] were generally junk things.762.9313
543DTA_se2_ag4_m_02762.9342Uh-huh. [Yeah, I know]764.0776
544DTA_int_03763.2830[Mm.]763.5456
545DTA_se2_ag4_m_02764.5051Well, I- you know, you see some kids now, you see some kids now with practically a brand new tire, out and rolling it out in the street right now. I have saw 'em with it and771.7052
547 772.4380[Uh.]772.6440 
548DTA_int_03772.4380[With] Papa [chasing 'em.]773.5632
549DTA_se2_ag4_m_02773.3433[<laugh>] Well, I don't know. (laughing)775.2701
550DTA_int_03776.1509Let's see, what are your favorite TV programs? Do you watch TV?779.1912
551DTA_se2_ag4_m_02779.7525Yeah, I watch TV. I've got uh, some right now I watch784.3342
553 784.8120is, uh,785.5662 
555 786.8365I like- which I like,788.1675 
557 788.3074Western plays, but [I] watch uh, Bonanza.791.3097 
558DTA_int_03789.5494[Hm.]789.7337
559 791.5784Mm.791.8672
560DTA_se2_ag4_m_02792.2410I watch, uh,793.7779
562 796.0423Branded.796.8059 
564 797.5143I wanna see that798.3632 
566 798.8914uh, McCord- get- McCord801.1968 
567DTA_int_03801.7662[Mm-hm.]802.0197
568DTA_se2_ag4_m_02801.8578[get] out of the scrape that he's in. And I saw him last night, he was good. But he had a good one last night.807.1189
569 807.8212Then I [wa-]808.3739
570DTA_int_03808.1163[What's it about?]808.7857
571 808.9036Can you [tell me?]809.3984
572DTA_se2_ag4_m_02809.1906[This- what] it was about last night, it was about a, uh,811.9555
573 813.1433Well, this one he had a-814.5724
575 816.8945he was- had gone out and run into a shack here.820.1225 
577 820.5602And it was four men had this uh, I forget the name, but I didn't when- in fact I'd n-825.3051 
579 825.6013I didn't see the name of it when it started.827.4807 
581 827.9601Because I was putting my wife to bed, [see- she] my wife's an invalid.831.2706 
582DTA_int_03829.9997[Mm-hm.830.2939
583DTA_se2_ag4_m_02831.9586And, uh,832.5601
585 834.3815these guys, when he rode out to the- up out in this uh,837.5922 
587 838.1113desert you might call that out here, by- he rode up to this here shack and he heard voices and he s-843.5128 
589 843.6258got off his horse and went n-845.0349 
591 846.3601knocked on the door, and one came to the door and848.8325 
593 850.7753there then asked him what was that? They said, ain't nothing up here that I can't take care of.854.3005 
595 855.0792He asked him- says- he asked856.1510 
597 856.2914McCord, what are you doing here?857.8715 
599 858.4334Said he was hunting job859.6440 
601 859.7631as a miner.860.7066 
602DTA_int_03861.2154Mm-hm.861.4792
603DTA_se2_ag4_m_02861.6899Cause they did have a sign up, mining.863.5083
605 864.9250Said they didn't need no hands, no harm. Says uh, best thing you can do is get on that horse and get out of here.870.3686 
606DTA_int_03870.6960[Mm-hm.]871.0123
607DTA_se2_ag4_m_02870.8425[And] then this guy drawed his gun and872.6871
608 873.2257McCord looked at him and turned around, he went back and got on his uh,876.3906
610 878.0593to get on his horse. Well, this guy turned around, went on back in his house and McCord plays to getting on his horse, stood and listened.883.4258 
612 885.5280And they had a man tied up in there see.888.0456 
614 888.6196And this man went there to890.1967 
616 890.5845kill the man.891.3448 
618 892.9738And they had this man tied up in there tell him that they was going to, uh,896.0077 
620 896.3005kill him and so McCord heard him say that I didn't kill the man.899.7891 
622 901.1998I- uh, the man did something else. So McCord went back and904.6181 
624 905.2700busted in on 'em, see.906.6153 
626 907.9280And908.3554 
628 909.3845cutting it a little short, he- uh,910.9951 
630 911.7005and immediately912.4792 
632 912.7876he got the best of 'em and got the man loose. Made 'em /?/915.1707 
634 915.6624loosened the man, and took the man away917.5539 
636 918.6043and then he ran into a lieutenant that had saw him at this, uh,922.7694 
638 924.1280place where he's supposed to925.9768 
640 926.3096run away and left this man.927.7937 
642 928.0823I forget- can't call the name of that as much as I look at it.930.5250 
644 931.2639You know, when you're doing something on a932.3951 
646 933.2898ye- if- it leaves you. <laugh>934.7692 
648 935.0867I-935.2333 
650 935.5631So, anyhow, he met a man had- had937.1906 
652 937.3494saw him there.938.3463 
654 939.6196Uh, Lieutenant. And this lieutenant spo- they had spoke to him, he hadn't saw him in so long.944.4562 
656 945.0578Wanted to know what he was doing out there947.4262 
658 947.9264in this948.3997 
660 948.6165place where he was. And he told him he was950.7554 
662 951.0577out looking for this work and952.7050 
663DTA_int_03953.1142Mm.953.3096
664DTA_se2_ag4_m_02953.4898he run into this man.954.9616
666 957.2715And this man had told him that he saw him at this960.4623 
668 960.5952uh, place961.8964 
670 962.3585and he did not run off and leave his man.964.6775 
672 966.7265And, uh,967.8468 
674 969.0089so,969.5738 
676 970.3769this guy told this lieutenant then, of this army973.4036 
678 974.1905that, uh, he- uh,975.2043 
680 977.2882he thought if he978.2074 
682 978.5158told him what had happened, they could send that981.0333 
684 981.9127to the government and McCord would get another trial.984.5865 
685DTA_int_03985.1676Mm-hm.985.7089
686DTA_se2_ag4_m_02986.8837And so987.9315
688 988.2059they tooked him then to this here,990.1887 
690 990.2820uh, camp where these- uh,991.6653 
692 991.8791this lieutenant was992.8806 
694 993.5097there for something. I forget what they were really there for because they didn't tell that particular-997.9128 
696 998.2821But this /happened/ and he gave him a written statement and sign when he was there.1001.5600 
698 1002.3661Then him and McCord left.1003.7386 
700 1005.4761So, when he left and got away-1007.1447 
702 1007.6577uh,1008.3417 
704 1010.1386and then he told McCord that he- he- he did not see him. Well, now, in other words, McCord they caught him- it was all a lie, and he'd made up.1016.6943 
706 1018.4959And McCord and him got into it, and McCord knocked him out and then1022.8562 
708 1023.2806put him on his horse and to- told him he was taking him back to this camp.1026.4516 
710 1028.2058And, uh,1029.1554 
712 1030.5143so, he told McCord i- why- well, what difference does it make that you- uh, you would be a free man. Uh. He says he didn't1037.1844 
714 1037.3462wanna go free, not like that.1038.9890 
716 1039.1845It-1039.3982 
718 1039.7294so, he took him back to this lieutenant,1041.3600 
720 1042.0348got the-1042.7508 
722 1043.9142Saw the lieutenant, and told him that he wanted to see that ledger that he had and then /lib-/ kind of got it and took the1048.6593 
724 1048.7670ledger, and then tore the sheet out and tore it out.1050.6104 
726 1051.8485And the-1052.7065 
728 1053.9035told the lieutenant what had happened.1055.6607 
730 1055.8653And- uh, and so.1056.9371 
732 1058.4775Then uh, he uh.1059.7790 
734 1059.9889This guy says, well what difference does it make? And he told the lieutenant, he di- well didn't want it that way1064.8104 
736 1065.4883at all.1065.9298 
738 1066.3813So, he took the guy and left1068.0333 
740 1068.4150and the lieutenant went off and this- /inaudible/.1071.0241 
742 1071.3356But was hi- he was good, that one.1072.8028 
744 1073.1355Then [Bona-]1073.7035 
745DTA_int_031073.6485[Mm-hm.]1073.8579
746DTA_se2_ag4_m_021074.1462Bonanza ha- they was.1075.6775
748 1076.7249It was a1077.1432 
750 1077.2501good one. And it was a good play, I'd like- like it. And there was another one. Oh, I was going to say it's this bowling.1082.7249 
751DTA_int_031083.1615Mm-hm.1083.4424
752DTA_se2_ag4_m_021083.4424I like to see it's-1084.5814
753 1085.1386it's only on Sunday night. It comes on at eleven thirty, and the rest of the week, it comes on at one1090.5217
755 1090.8149o'clock. And I don't stay up to see it. /?/1092.7386 
757 1093.0536But it's a1093.5309 
759 1093.6683match game on, uh, bowling on [TV.]1096.0234 
760DTA_int_031095.5832[Mm-hm.]1095.8009
761DTA_se2_ag4_m_021096.9187Amateur and a pro.1098.2898
763 1098.4913I don't know what he is. Maybe it [started] in ni-1100.2027 
764DTA_int_031099.7569[I-]1099.8851
765 1100.3370I1100.5783
767 1100.7096I've watched it once, I [think.]1101.9914 
768DTA_se2_ag4_m_021101.9188[And] now but I watch it every Sunday night, because that's the onliest night I get to see it. I ain't gonna stay up til one [o'clock] to see it.1107.3814
769DTA_int_031106.7248[Mm-hm.]1106.9661
770DTA_se2_ag4_m_021107.9676And uh, I watch that one quite often. Then there's Bonanza.1111.0094
772 1111.2058I [watch it too.]1111.9523 
773DTA_int_031111.5227[Do you bowl?]1111.9370
774DTA_se2_ag4_m_021113.0210I did until my uh,1115.3187
776 1115.9539condition, in which it. I'm- see, I'm retired.1118.7493 
777DTA_int_031118.8775Mm-hm.1119.1310
778DTA_se2_ag4_m_021119.3753Cause I've been retired since sixty-one. I have a1121.5202
780 1122.6378heart [condition.]1123.7905 
781DTA_int_031123.5034[Mm-hm.]1123.7905
782DTA_se2_ag4_m_021124.4836And /unintelligible/,1126.0592
784 1126.3005ulcers.1127.2973 
785DTA_int_031127.7218Alright.1128.1890
786DTA_se2_ag4_m_021128.6959<laugh>1129.0256
787DTA_int_031128.9401[Um.]1129.2821
788 1129.4318Real g- [/unintelligible/ (laughing)]1131.2623
789DTA_se2_ag4_m_021129.9126[<laugh>] So,1131.7753
790 1132.3385so, uh, but up until then,1134.0681
792 1134.1823I, uh,1135.1234 
794 1135.7202I gone to Chicago and that's when Joe Louis,1138.0104 
796 1138.1539he had a1138.8149 
798 1139.4500bowling team at that time. That's when he was in his prime1141.9593 
800 1142.1509boxing.1142.6180 
802 1144.3005And I- I've lived1145.6851 
804 1145.8531in Indiana, I was at /RD-WORK-7/, as I was talking about, then I was in Indiana1149.5432 
806 1149.8363and I lived there1150.9004 
808 1152.2103but we would go up to Chicago quite often. See, I went up to Chicago and happened to1155.6989 
810 1157.2118go in the bowling alley there. I didn't know Joe Louis's team was there and was bowling.1161.4546 
812 1163.1141And uh,1163.8622 
814 1164.8852one of the guy come over, he says, how'd you like to join our team?1167.2764 
816 1169.1843And I says, well, I don't know. He says, well, this is, uh, this is Joe Louis's team. He says1173.4388 
818 1173.5393I see what you bowling and your score, you see, well I'd like to get you on our team. I says,1177.6042 
820 1178.6271I said, well I don't live here in, uh, Chicago.1180.9187 
822 1181.5202I says, I live in Indiana. He says, oh, you see, but-1183.6835 
824 1184.0897I was- At that time, I was- I'd bowl, my average was around1187.9569 
826 1188.2225a1188.5523 
828 1189.4501hundred and eighty, two hundred.1190.7330 
830 1191.1859I was [a-]1191.5496 
831DTA_int_031191.4760[Pretty] good.1191.8485
832DTA_se2_ag4_m_021191.8350And I hadn't been bowling too long at that time,1194.2164
833 1194.8913And then I bowled /clean up/ until I came here.1197.4577
834DTA_int_031197.9035Mm-hm.1198.2546
835DTA_se2_ag4_m_021199.3859I left /RD-WORK-2/. That's where I bowled at, see, at /RD-WORK-7/, and I came here.1203.5101
837 1204.9828And after I got here, I went to work in a factory and that was all new to me. I hadn't worked in a factory. When I went to work in a factory and I got in the factory and that cut all the bowling time out cause I wasn't a man to1215.1370 
839 1216.3768um, go out without my wife.1218.0424 
841 1218.1523[And.]1218.5034 
842DTA_int_031218.2439[Mm-hm.]1218.6154
843DTA_se2_ag4_m_021218.8058So,1219.2049
845 1219.5814I worked1220.2912 
847 1220.6210afternoons.1221.8729 
849 1223.5782I come home,1224.4515 
851 1225.0897at about, uh,1226.3156 
853 1227.2134twelve thirty at night, well-1228.8057 
855 1228.9889then the next morning, I'd get- I was late when I got up, /??/ so I helped the wife. I got no time to [bowl.] I had enough.1235.1751 
856DTA_int_031234.4057[Mm.]1234.5454
857DTA_se2_ag4_m_021235.4072M- s-1235.6637
859 1236.2561At like-1236.6195 
861 1236.8729would not take off of work time.1238.1092 
863 1238.3388/I'm not that way-/ Work1239.6378 
865 1239.9157and1240.2790 
867 1240.7629me, with me, work1242.1767 
869 1244.3461comes first.1245.6225 
871 1246.0867And everything, and taking care of the home and- course, all at that has to be taken care of at home. After I had taken care of home, then if I- we had time to-1252.0348 
873 1252.8484I mean for myself.1254.0689 
874DTA_int_031254.9034[Mm.]1255.1080
875DTA_se2_ag4_m_021254.9920[But] I sure well- I feel like I might have a-1256.9410
876 1257.7569But I tried to take care of the kids, the home and everything and she does /then/ that was- we1261.8087
878 1262.0530Course all of 'em is grown now, but I still got my grandchildren around to-1265.4097 
880 1266.0881It's, um, just [li-]1267.3324 
881DTA_int_031267.0286[/inaudible/] you're busy.1267.7242
882DTA_se2_ag4_m_021267.8545Just like this morning. I was1269.1599
884 1269.2855saying I ain't gonna get up too early. I didn't have to get up. Uh. I s- I'm not gonna get up too early.1273.2332 
886 1274.1049I was laying bed. Then, here come one and knocks on the door.1277.4133 
888 1277.6026Grandpa.1278.2408 
890 1279.5044That's my1280.1263 
892 1280.8988daughter's1281.7233 
894 1282.2821she lives upstairs, see.1283.7217 
896 1284.9676I say, yeah. What is it?1285.9864 
898 1287.1370Will you drive us to school?1288.6485 
900 1288.7904Then he goes (laughing). <laugh> I says well (laughing).1291.4972 
902 1292.5782I says, alright. Give me1294.5736 
904 1294.9614Give me time. Yeah. I'll get up. And I got up (laughing) [<laugh> /unintelligible/]1298.6240 
905DTA_int_031297.2255[/inaudible/]1297.8453
907 1298.2087[/unintelligible/]1299.2101 
908DTA_se2_ag4_m_021298.9019[/S- took 'em/] to school. I says my, yeah. I planned on taking me a good rest this morning. And I'd get up.1304.1978
909DTA_int_031304.6148Uh-huh.1304.9965
910DTA_se2_ag4_m_021304.9965So, I got up. And after I got up and taken them to school, and then it's been /RD-NAME-2/1308.5523
911 1308.7721so and so, grandpa, so and so.1310.9171
913 1312.1172Then that it- uh.1313.1624 
915 1313.2987Do this for hisself and that's my busiest. I stay busy all day from t- t- By the time I get up, go ahead, /?/ I got something to do.1320.4881 
917 1321.6774Even though1322.2545 
919 1322.6026fellow right up here,1323.5309 
921 1325.5018live right up the street here, he says to me1327.5827 
923 1328.0560about two weeks ago, says, uh, Mr. /RD-NAME-2/, he says, uh,1331.4896 
925 1333.4500we were just talking about you, we know you're retired. Course, um,1337.2363 
927 1337.4835the retirement it's /yours/, says but, m- you don't just take it easy now or nothing.1341.8973 
929 1343.0988I says, well I don't know what you call, take it easy or not. My- one of my son has a filling station and I1348.4469 
931 1348.6896run that for him at uh,1350.0637 
932DTA_int_031350.8973Oh do [you?]1351.2659
933DTA_se2_ag4_m_021351.1233[po-] even from four to ten at night, see.1353.2316
934 1353.6713<laugh>1353.9935
936 1354.6210And so, he says, uh,1356.1858 
938 1356.6561I- I- I says, well, I don't know whether I take it easy or not. I says, now I get up in the morning. I says1361.8141 
940 1361.9629get my wife up.1362.7660 
942 1363.0194Wash and1363.7629 
944 1363.9858bathe her.1364.7339 
946 1365.9706Fix some breakfast and help clean the house, and I says I'll wash.1369.6651 
948 1371.2255I said, of course, I don't do much ironing. I says and1374.2569 
950 1375.0377then I says, I do the running from here to the store, the shopping. I says, and then at four o'clock, I says I take off, and go to the filling station and1383.0457 
952 1383.7385there til ten. And we-1385.0987 
954 1385.6087He says, you mean you work at night1387.4046 
956 1387.5482do you? <laugh> I says yeah.1388.9598 
958 1389.5125He says, well, oh he says well, uh, we didn't know, uh, I says, /actually-/ exactly, I says yeah, I run the station. No- nobody but me from1396.4591 
960 1396.7659four o'clock til ten at night, I says.1398.8781 
962 1399.2423And then, but.1399.8214 
964 1400.6453He said well, I don't guess you do take it easy. He [said, we] got you wrong. We thought (laughing) you weren't busy.1405.5369 
965DTA_int_031402.8614[<laugh>]1403.1994
966DTA_se2_ag4_m_021406.3858So, I do.1407.1033
968 1407.7965But,1408.3584 
970 1408.5355that's my living. I-1409.7858 
972 1410.4118well, I mean I-1411.5049 
974 1412.7491always gonna1413.7293 
976 1414.9796joy out of doing things for other people.1417.2733 
978 1417.6271I- I- I do that more then1419.6408 
980 1419.9309have all my life, and [that's] uh.1422.2133 
981DTA_int_031421.6087[Mm-hm.]1421.8682
982DTA_se2_ag4_m_021424.1873If I do something for you, I don't expect for you to do something for me. Most people lives that way, you [know.]1429.9338
983DTA_int_031429.8636[Mm.]1430.1384
984DTA_se2_ag4_m_021431.0789Uh. I- Well, they don't do so and so for me and.1434.0392
985DTA_int_031434.3843Why should I?1434.9828
986DTA_se2_ag4_m_021435.0805Why should I do it for. Well, I- I don't do nothing for you to do nothing for me, because I-1439.7369
988 1440.5888I feel which it always proved to me, that I get it1443.2926 
990 1443.4942to-1443.8972 
992 1444.2545maybe two fold the other way, aro- other way around.1446.9431 
994 1447.5996I [know.]1448.0010 
995DTA_int_031447.9277[Bread] on the water.1448.8855
996DTA_se2_ag4_m_021449.1033Well that's right. I- uh,1450.2515
998 1451.4064At this filling station, I-1453.0347 
1000 1453.3339man wrote- he wrote me a letter. I got that out at the filling station. I put that in a frame.1457.3399 
1002 1459.3125He was a white fella. He drove in the station one night in-1461.7904 
1004 1462.7750just a little before I was getting ready to close.1464.5980 
1006 1466.6697And I went out and says, yeah sir, what can I do for you? He says, well, he says, uh1470.9400 
1008 1471.3156you know, he says, I just ran out of gas, so it just rolled in.1474.1507 
1010 1474.6590I didn't drive in, it rolled in.1476.2010 
1012 1477.7515As I find, I haven't got my billfold with me.1480.4621 
1014 1481.5384And1482.0667 
1016 1482.5186I haven't got no money.1483.5629 
1018 1484.6422And he says, you don't know me.1486.1810 
1020 1486.2779I says, no.1487.1139 
1022 1488.5797And he just wondered if I could leave something uh, to get fifty cents worth of gas. Says, uh. I says, well how far do you live? Where do you live? But and- he told me, I says, oh, well. And I1497.7384 
1024 1498.1568put a dollar's worth in, and1499.5201 
1026 1501.0621he said, well uh, uh,1502.4743 
1028 1502.6788Uh. Can I leave something? I says, well. I says1505.6666 
1030 1505.8193you'll be back one day.1506.7598 
1032 1509.0056So,1509.3262 
1034 1509.5552he- uh,1510.0385 
1036 1511.1170I /put it in/1512.1338 
1038 1512.4147uh.1512.9155 
1040 1514.3124He thanked me and drove on.1515.7018 
1042 1516.7597And uh,1517.6422 
1044 1517.9628I guess about1518.7628 
1046 1520.0987oh, it was maybe1521.8667 
1048 1522.1171two months.1522.9154 
1049DTA_int_031523.0529Mm-hm.1523.3124
1050DTA_se2_ag4_m_021523.5292I wasn't at the station when he- he stopped in1525.8773
1052 1527.8575one day, and he asked for me.1529.4712 
1054 1529.8590And my son, he told him I didn't come to work til four.1533.6834 
1056 1535.2697Til four o'clock.1536.2804 
1058 1537.2148So, he wanted my address. And my son he wouldn't give it to him, because he didn't know him and he just really didn't know just really1544.1414 
1060 1544.2513given my address to a stranger. And right then he says, well, if1546.8853 
1062 1547.5842any message or anything. He says, you can uh1550.4926 
1064 1550.6025come here to see him, you see.1552.1140 
1066 1553.7826So, then he told him w-1554.9521 
1068 1555.1995uh1555.7536 
1070 1556.7277what I did.1557.4544 
1072 1558.1964No I didn't either. I got /unintelligible/ I'm just a little ahead of it.1560.6346 
1074 1561.5171He told- after he told him, he could send me a message /there whatever/ it was. And so, he asked him the address of the p- station and everything and so1567.9276 
1076 1568.2086he give it to him.1568.9750 
1078 1570.1995And so, about uh1571.7277 
1080 1572.6437three or four days after that, when I went to work, and had seed- saw a letter.1575.8666 
1081DTA_int_031576.5643Mm-hm.1576.8879
1082DTA_se2_ag4_m_021579.1384And /the s-/1579.6192
1084 1579.7780he went on to1580.7643 
1086 1582.2880tell1582.7811 
1088 1583.1383uh1583.6605 
1090 1584.0544how he appreciated the, uh,1586.3979 
1092 1586.7979what I did1587.4697 
1094 1589.2177and he uh.1590.0208 
1096 1593.2620Well,1593.6727 
1098 1594.6711he sent a check for two dollars, place of a dollar, see.1598.1689 
1100 1599.8911And uh. He thanked me and,1601.7612 
1102 1603.4682S- told sh- course he in- in this letter,1606.0101 
1104 1606.5887uh I couldn't read it mys-1608.0666 
1106 1609.6986excuse me.1610.3531 
1108 1638.7384And so,1639.2361 
1110 1639.5201uh.1640.1230 
1112 1642.0071I read the letter,1642.9581 
1114 1643.0406well, I didn't read it. I gave it to my son. He read it.1645.8574 
1116 1646.4070And, um,1646.8803 
1118 1648.8146the- he uh.1649.8773 
1120 1651.1398The, uh, salesman, had comes from the company.1653.6895 
1122 1655.8070He happened to be at the s- station.1657.6558 
1124 1658.8803So,1659.3383 
1126 1660.9093he invited me to1662.2681 
1128 1662.8691frame it, see.1663.7189 
1130 1663.8848Well, that's so,1664.6177 
1132 1665.6864I got-1666.2055 
1134 1667.1078I got a frame1667.9045 
1136 1668.8758and.1669.1811 
1138 1671.6376So,1671.9796 
1140 1683.3536You know, those1684.2300 
1142 1685.0009that's where I get my living1686.1643 
1144 1687.2666is through1687.8177 
1146 1689.1460doing1689.7628 
1148 1690.4132things for people.1691.4253 
1150 1693.1628That's the s-1693.5475 
1152 1705.4407Maybe it'll pass /reckon when I get home/1707.3752 
1153DTA_int_031710.4330Do you belong to a church?1711.5367
1154DTA_se2_ag4_m_021711.7841Oh, yeah.1712.2360
1155DTA_int_031712.6146What church?1713.1414
1156DTA_se2_ag4_m_021714.4529Uh.1714.8451
1158 1715.5597Saint Paul Methodist church. Out on, uh,1718.1239 
1160 1718.4772it's out on1719.2711 
1162 1719.5124Ohio, near Eight Mile1720.8909 
1164 1721.3368Road.1721.8273 
1165DTA_int_031722.2956Mm-hm.1722.5918
1166DTA_se2_ag4_m_021723.1139Oh yes ma'am.1724.7551
1168 1725.4666Church.1726.1383 
1170 1727.8070Yeah.1728.3139 
1172 1728.6070I couldn't get along without1729.8848 
1174 1730.5108[church.]1731.0739 
1175DTA_int_031730.7429[Uh-huh.]1730.9108
1176DTA_se2_ag4_m_021731.5673Mm-mm.1731.9765
1178 1732.2391I don't see-1732.9245 
1180 1733.2818I don't really see how1735.0284 
1182 1736.7337people, which, my children, my1738.7505 
1184 1740.4116now, mi- not all of them1741.8966 
1186 1742.1718this daughter that lives upstairs is about the only one1744.6405 
1188 1745.3459that do attend church pretty regularly. The rest of 'em goes oncet in a while. And I stay after them, I don't know how you can stay out of church even1753.0559 
1190 1754.4772if you're not a church member. If you're just a person that existing1758.3383 
1192 1759.5200once in a while, you oughta1760.8650 
1194 1762.5719look1762.9459 
1196 1763.1321to the almighty for1764.8055 
1198 1765.1872how good he's been to you, because1767.1215 
1200 1769.4680you know, when you1770.9093 
1202 1772.7825meet someone and say good morning,1774.8537 
1204 1775.3947and that person says, what's good about it?1777.1597 
1205DTA_int_031777.5642Mm-hm.1777.8787
1206DTA_se2_ag4_m_021779.5917Then, I look at 'em and say,1782.2847
1208 1784.1963how many people would like to be in your1786.5170 
1210 1788.1276place, up walking around who can't get out of bed this morning?1791.6428 
1212 1793.0222I says, if you had swapped places with them,1795.2360 
1214 1795.6588then you would s-1796.4833 
1216 1796.9016see what was good about it.1798.3154 
1218 1798.9550I happened to be in a bank the other morning and uh,1801.0438 
1220 1801.9489I said, to a young lady,1803.2406 
1222 1803.4849I says, good morning.1804.4284 
1224 1805.6512She says, well, good morning, but I don't know what's good about it.1807.9581 
1226 1808.5505And the- I answered her with- with the same things that I just said.1811.9077 
1228 1813.5017And she says, you know what,1814.4833 
1230 1814.5932I had never thought about it like that.1816.4314 
1231DTA_int_031817.3550[Uh-huh.]1817.6787
1232DTA_se2_ag4_m_021817.4253[I says,] well, if we all would turn around and think /of/ and things and that every morning, when we get up,1822.2028
1233 1823.4985we don't get up on our own, we think we do1826.1077
1235 1826.6848but, uh1827.5236 
1237 1827.7780we don't get up on our own.1829.1504 
1238DTA_int_031829.6085Mm-hm.1829.9771
1239DTA_se2_ag4_m_021830.1734It's- we get up1831.3344
1241 1832.6573because the good Lord wants us to get up.1834.6894 
1242DTA_int_031834.9520Mm-hm.1835.3153
1243DTA_se2_ag4_m_021835.4314Because he gives us the strength.1836.9624
1244DTA_int_031837.3185Mm-hm.1837.6015
1245DTA_se2_ag4_m_021837.6015He gives us the mind, the willpower1839.9245
1246 1840.8023to do1841.3733
1248 1842.0390and to get out of bed.1843.0803 
1250 1843.9520But, if he says, no1845.2039 
1252 1845.3169you not gonna get up this morning,1847.6723 
1254 1847.8344you don't get up.1848.7632 
1256 1848.9856Because1849.7351 
1258 1850.7489he has all power to1852.9123 
1260 1853.7184say whether you-1854.6538 
1262 1854.8476me and uh, you sit here, or you move your fingers, or you keep 'em still.1858.4406 
1264 1860.9337I think that- that bi- our world would be in much better shape1863.9032 
1266 1864.1536if1864.8298 
1268 1866.9459our- even our ministers1868.7184 
1270 1869.7138and our churches would be a little more stricter1872.2466 
1272 1872.6741talking to the members and they do.1875.0940 
1273DTA_int_031875.4390Yeah.1875.7383
1274DTA_se2_ag4_m_021876.6618Because1877.4194
1276 1877.6390they1878.2863 
1278 1879.1932give them a leeway of1880.8772 
1280 1881.7383well,1882.3368 
1282 1882.6710it's alright to do this.1884.8177 
1284 1886.0619Uh, it's a-1886.6023 
1286 1887.2008the Bible has1888.2370 
1288 1888.5139a way, just like the Lord1890.4237 
1290 1891.1566intended for us to do. And it's- the- it is1894.0039 
1292 1894.3795just like it was1895.7703 
1294 1896.8360today like it was1898.4771 
1296 1899.3321a thousand years ago.1901.1968 
1297DTA_int_031901.6207People haven't changed.1902.7871
1298DTA_se2_ag4_m_021902.9093I- no, the thing hasn't change- as far as uh1906.1783
1300 1906.4839you- as we call ourself Christian and living for1910.0615 
1302 1911.2228our master1912.1110 
1304 1912.3769we can live the same today as we did1914.8941 
1306 1915.6122a thousand years ago.1917.1402 
1307DTA_int_031917.4448Mm-hm.1917.7565
1308DTA_se2_ag4_m_021917.7902He hasn't changed.1919.1318
1310 1920.0516His way hasn't changed.1921.6061 
1312 1922.0554We- it- As he says, if you have the faith1924.8598 
1314 1925.7735to do.1926.4324 
1316 1928.2570I mean, real faith and belief1930.6275 
1318 1930.8048now, how strong is that faith?1933.3396 
1320 1935.0700Alright, Jesus1936.1416 
1322 1936.3494had the faith, he walked on the water.1938.4145 
1324 1938.9613Now, we got to have that faith.1940.5596 
1326 1943.0615You [would]1943.6941 
1327DTA_int_031943.3125[Have you been] in an accident?1944.6693
1328DTA_se2_ag4_m_021944.7382[Yes.]1945.3622
1329DTA_int_031945.2577[Serious accident?]1946.2057
1330DTA_se2_ag4_m_021945.8506[Mm-hm.]1946.3310
1331 1946.8835Never been hurt.1947.6323
1332DTA_int_031948.5878Really?1948.8506
1333DTA_se2_ag4_m_021949.1990That's right.1949.8866
1335 1950.5314I've had my- I had a m-1952.0156 
1337 1952.5840wasn't I just got /?/ in a car and was talking about this morning and I-1955.7154 
1339 1956.1066and I- I- and there is things that I give to1959.6781 
1341 1960.4686the direction of the good Lord.1961.7888 
1343 1963.2730And being s- you asked me, I'll tell you, I've suffered a little incidents, after I tell you1967.0767 
1345 1967.3457this accident has caused, uh,1969.2577 
1347 1969.4411was ju- on my side.1970.9823 
1349 1971.8482Was just1972.4624 
1351 1972.6203the driver side. But- uh, ju- was just completely demolished.1976.5901 
1353 1979.7246But, uh, I didn't get one scratch.1981.6244 
1355 1983.5192[But.]1983.7657 
1356DTA_int_031983.5670[Did you] think you were gonna be killed?1985.1573
1357DTA_se2_ag4_m_021985.7124No.1986.2869
1359 1987.1844I never have that- I never have that thought on leaving and going no place, and I go quite a bit.1991.5787 
1361 1991.9446And my family /stay often/, but I's tell him this, that's what was I just finna say1995.1830 
1363 1995.9979I accept the Lord, might I say, uh, /leaving/. I says now,1999.7283 
1365 1999.8506um,2000.5993 
1367 2001.7056father, you2002.6397 
1369 2003.0462open the way.2003.7485 
1371 2007.9551You2008.6519 
1373 2009.0431guide me through all the stumbling blocks.2011.3433 
1375 2011.7956And that's the way I go2012.9568 
1376DTA_int_032013.5792And if he [wants /inaudible/]2015.0089
1377DTA_se2_ag4_m_022014.0684[And I feel-] I feel as I'm taken care of.2016.9337
1378 2017.7650I have my dad and my mother2019.8910
1380 2020.8231which, they are passed.2022.4030 
1382 2022.7137And they-2023.0774 
1384 2023.4074and- but I have my.2024.6329 
1386 2025.2135And my dad, my mother,2026.2516 
1388 2026.6580wife,2027.2027 
1390 2027.3976in this2028.2686 
1392 2028.7168n-2028.8604 
1394 2029.2149daughter here was a baby.2030.7674 
1395DTA_int_032030.9049Mm-hm.2031.2135
1396DTA_se2_ag4_m_022032.3188And we was coming2033.8193
1398 2034.0577from down in Tennessee back to Indiana.2036.8315 
1400 2037.3541That's where I lived at that time.2038.4380 
1402 2038.8964<ts> I was driving and2040.1708 
1404 2040.4886these roads, uh,2041.9147 
1406 2042.2937you don't see many of 'em now, but it's up and down2044.8139 
1408 2045.2081and only the2045.7429 
1410 2046.3113two2046.9215 
1412 2047.9361uh2048.5809 
1414 2049.2196wasn't hardly two2050.2445 
1416 2050.3235car wides length. You'd have to2051.9813 
1418 2052.2410get off of the roads and2053.5786 
1420 2053.7711let the cars go by,2055.1495 
1422 2055.2441see.2055.4916 
1424 2056.3463Well, I was going up a hill.2057.5809 
1426 2057.9446And you couldn't see no further than the top of the hill, but there's a space over here for2061.5945 
1428 2062.2791me to- where- where I could pull off,2063.9721 
1430 2064.3480you know.2064.6801 
1432 2066.1195And I just pulled over and stopped.2068.3707 
1434 2068.6456And2069.0094 
1436 2069.2692My dad says to me, whatchu stopping for? And2071.9667 
1438 2072.1317just about the time I got ready to tell him,2073.9032 
1440 2074.7100here come a truck and a car.2076.4488 
1442 2077.2607And this car was passing the truck.2079.0699 
1443DTA_int_032079.7229Mm-hm.2080.1262
1444DTA_se2_ag4_m_022082.8247And I f- if I hadn't've stopped,2084.8437
1446 2085.4488we'd've met that car head on.2086.8689 
1447DTA_int_032089.5663My grandfather was killed in an accident like that.2092.1446
1448DTA_se2_ag4_m_022092.6580Well,2093.0125
1450 2093.4801what do you think stopped me?2095.0560 
1452 2096.3823What stopped me?2097.0803 
1454 2097.6536What caused me to do it?2098.6702 
1456 2101.5052That's why I got-2102.0644 
1458 2103.7055/?/2103.9093 
1460 2104.9177Because uh,2105.8193 
1462 2106.5130That, as I say, that's my2108.5595 
1464 2108.9293when I leave,2109.9031 
1466 2111.1958take care of 'em, and guide me,2112.5175 
1468 2112.5893sh- so he2113.5724 
1470 2114.4556pulled me over and stopped me.2115.5436 
1471DTA_int_032116.1717Mm-hm.2116.4721
1472DTA_se2_ag4_m_022119.9697So, uh, those, uh, those kind of things, as I say, that's one of the incidents that I feel that I was taken care of. It's2127.5252
1474 2127.8940well, uh,2128.3615 
1476 2129.1836kept me from being hurt, uh, the-2130.7809 
1478 2131.1965and that was the whole family.2132.4648 
1480 2134.5602I had another incident when my2136.5710 
1482 2137.5999uh, mother passed.2139.0729 
1484 2141.3639Uh.2141.8559 
1486 2142.9795We hadn't-2143.7344 
1488 2144.1775My wife- uh taking care of my mother, thought as much my mother was her mother.2148.1890 
1490 2149.7099And uh, my mother was-2151.4152 
1492 2151.8603we had-2152.2179 
1494 2152.3737had her staying with us. She was sick at the time and2155.0559 
1496 2155.6060we'd gone and got her. She had never been here. We brought her here, she hadn't ever been here, but she wanted to come here to see our home.2160.9074 
1498 2162.1286And I went and got her, she was sick and I brought her here, and2164.7038 
1500 2164.8474uh,2165.2844 
1502 2165.6206we brought her here, and she stayed and of course, she got up, was much better while she was here.2169.2165 
1504 2170.8627/And but I-/ she had stayed her time out, she might say she wanted, say she wanted to go home and uh.2176.1415 
1506 2177.8223We /taken/ her home.2178.7925 
1508 2179.1262Well, I taken her home and about two-2181.3265 
1510 2182.5510Was it two month or one month?2183.9415 
1512 2184.8613About a month after I had taken her home, she went into a coma.2187.6768 
1514 2189.5136Then, uh,2190.0362 
1516 2191.5785they2192.1347 
1518 2192.4861uh,2193.0148 
1520 2193.7350my brother2194.3798 
1522 2194.6152called me and told me what had happened and2196.7147 
1524 2198.0124I talked to the white and the2199.3669 
1526 2199.7093wife said well,2200.6243 
1528 2200.8291said she's in a coma, said she wouldn't know nothing about us going.2203.8994 
1530 2205.7605Uh.2206.1598 
1532 2206.2698Coming? I says, no.2207.5778 
1534 2207.8284So,2208.2501 
1536 2208.3754I just, then I told my brother that uh,2210.7275 
1538 2211.8002we wouldn't come. Uh,2213.3226 
1540 2213.5258say if sh- anything happened, if she passed, well, just let us know. Course, she passed and2217.9459 
1542 2219.3914they2219.9659 
1544 2220.1584called me and told me she'd passed and2222.0155 
1546 2223.0820then uh,2223.7167 
1548 2224.4226I pictured in my mind they hadn't set when the funeral was gonna be2227.6977 
1550 2228.3761and actually working and I had to pick time to get off from the job. And not be off too long. They was kind of hard on you s- being off.2236.5632 
1552 2236.8443didn't make any difference what.2238.3082 
1553DTA_int_032238.7686Mm-hm.2239.0620
1554DTA_se2_ag4_m_022239.4593And uh,2240.2313
1556 2241.2043if you went to a funeral, you had to2243.2569 
1558 2243.6083bring some kind of proof back or something if /?/ you'd gone to the funeral. That's what it was at that time2248.1017 
1560 2248.8199in the factory.2249.5228 
1562 2250.2532So, uh,2250.9642 
1564 2251.3676I told my brother, well uh,2253.1645 
1566 2255.2813when- when you get the arrangements made, let me know when they2258.7367 
1568 2259.1981w- we gonna bury her.2260.4501 
1570 2261.1652And I pictured in my mind, then what2263.4012 
1572 2264.0796n- before I said anything, what day they was gonna bury her, when I come home from work,2267.5167 
1574 2269.5020the wife says to me, she- they'll bury my mother tomorrow, see.2272.7618 
1576 2273.3394And I had they was gonna bury her the next day. That's what I'd pictured it in my mind.2277.0484 
1578 2278.0742After they was gonna bury her to-2280.0117 
1580 2280.7625back tomorrow, when I come in the-2282.4402 
1582 2282.6358that time, I was working days. Come in at four o'clock in the afternoon.2285.4341 
1584 2286.4640And she told me, well,2287.7587 
1586 2287.9574from here to Indianapolis, Indiana is almost three hundred miles. I says, well, we get ready2292.5587 
1588 2293.8993go.2294.2722 
1590 2295.6443So, it was the end of February. So, we got ready, and started and about- when I got out here, Coldwater2300.6022 
1592 2301.4121you could just see fog.2302.6360 
1594 2303.2263Just like a wall.2304.4701 
1596 2304.7513That's- just fact, just rolling,2306.4372 
1598 2306.8864coming, we had never got into it, we just.2308.7893 
1600 2310.1615So, I said to the wife, I says, know what, boy, says, the way that fog looks, say this gonna get bad.2314.4623 
1602 2315.5303And sure enough, when we got into it, you.2318.1377 
1604 2320.3370Well, I k-2321.5533 
1606 2321.9078you- uh, I couldn't see fence posts just looking off of the highway2325.9428 
1608 2326.2881to the side.2326.9635 
1610 2328.2348But down the highway, my lights is surely2330.9689 
1612 2331.9703just as bright as any night.2333.8161 
1614 2335.4867Uh. I had ever drove.2336.6664 
1616 2338.9972/Well/2339.4188 
1618 2340.8694I drove along and2342.0368 
1620 2342.2966and hadn't said nothing to the wife about it. And I noticed people I were passing, they was just creeping. Well, I was driving about2348.2966 
1622 2348.6022forty-five, fifty2349.7716 
1624 2350.2881that time and uh,2351.8069 
1626 2352.1339fifty-five, that was2353.3327 
1628 2353.5570good speed.2354.3546 
1630 2354.9017And I could see just as far down to- the2356.6548 
1632 2356.8565road as ever, I saw with my light.2358.7533 
1634 2362.1597So, finally, I said the wife, I says, say, I says, can you see2365.5815 
1636 2367.8001uh, the fence posts and telephone posts? She says no. I says, but I can2371.6059 
1638 2373.1034uh,2373.8032 
1640 2374.4867see down the highway.2375.7489 
1642 2376.2042And she said, but these people we passing, they must can't see, uh, it must be foggy.2380.4925 
1644 2382.5282So, I drove on to Indianapolis.2385.0636 
1646 2386.1475And I got into Indianapolis, and the streetlights /you been in-/ to look like a match.2390.2196 
1648 2391.2776And.2391.6718 
1650 2393.9933So.2394.2225 
1652 2394.7380Um. My- my brother2396.1743 
1654 2396.8253they know2397.5068 
1656 2398.5509how far it was, you know, where I came from.2400.3686 
1658 2400.8480So he's a-2401.5937 
1660 2401.8198I got there2402.5808 
1662 2403.4273to Indiana2404.0619 
1664 2404.9665h- and he says uh,2405.9750 
1666 2408.1957what time did you start?2409.4854 
1668 2411.5074Uh. I says (laughing). [<laugh>]2412.5607 
1669DTA_int_032412.1522[And you] told him2413.2667
1670DTA_se2_ag4_m_022413.3859[<laugh>]2413.9298
1671DTA_int_032413.3859[<laugh>]2414.3882
1672DTA_se2_ag4_m_022415.0361[Uh.]2415.3478
1673DTA_int_032415.0728[And he said.]2415.8938
1674DTA_se2_ag4_m_022415.9641Yeah. I says uh.2417.1774
1676 2417.7672Well, I says, I worked.2418.9519 
1678 2420.0551You worked?2420.7183 
1680 2421.1431You could le- I said yup.2422.3064 
1682 2424.7451Wasn't awfully foggy? I says, well I says, uh,2427.7129 
1684 2428.7954I guess it was, I says, but2430.2317 
1686 2431.2025I says, I could see.2432.6408 
1688 2434.1780I says, uh.2435.1346 
1690 2436.2561Course, I said the street lights out there look like matches, I said, but I could see down the road.2440.3797 
1691DTA_int_032442.9580That's true.2443.6028
1692DTA_se2_ag4_m_022445.2134To-2445.6229
1694 2446.8809they2447.2996 
1696 2448.3998wondered, I says, well I says I guess it's2451.0077 
1698 2452.9654one of those things.2454.1920 
1699DTA_int_032456.2996If someone /looks out for you/2457.7117
1701 2458.8565/inaudible/2459.5618 
1702DTA_se2_ag4_m_022463.1736So, I.2463.7777
1704 2465.4952Mm.2465.6419 
1706 2465.8527Go on living.2466.9855 
1707DTA_int_032467.5234Mm-hm.2467.9413
1708DTA_se2_ag4_m_022469.0300No wonder-2469.6768
1710 2471.2079There's somebody.2472.1828 
1711DTA_int_032477.4768/inaudible/2479.5356
1713 2483.8069Do you pray2484.4364 
1715 2484.7899i-2484.9121 
1717 2485.1383do you ever pray2486.0093 
1719 2486.2354for things?2487.1747 
1720DTA_se2_ag4_m_022487.4853Yes.2488.2330
1721DTA_int_032488.8534You know.2489.2507
1722DTA_se2_ag4_m_022489.9505I pray2490.7410
1724 2491.5020uh.2492.0123 
1726 2494.2819And I feel my prayers answered. The ones that- You see, and that's another thing that people,2499.8541 
1728 2500.6211in praying2501.3821 
1730 2502.8510prayer2503.3094 
1732 2506.0680they pray, but uh, you pray, you /ge- I-/ you pray for things and then you turn around and wonder, is I gonna get it?2511.5373 
1733DTA_int_032512.0160Mm-hm.2512.3614
1734DTA_se2_ag4_m_022513.4537Or wonder, is it gonna happen?2515.5294
1735DTA_int_032515.9940Mm-hm.2516.2873
1736DTA_se2_ag4_m_022518.3308Then, you're not praying.2519.6052
1737DTA_int_032521.1413Yeah.2521.4347
1739 2521.7800Yeah, you-2522.2648 
1741 2522.5563you /inaudible/.2523.0366 
1742DTA_se2_ag4_m_022522.6535[You're ask that- you're] asking.2524.6840
1743DTA_int_032523.3980/inaudible/.2523.6289
1744DTA_se2_ag4_m_022526.3967Yeah.2526.6982
1746 2527.4561If you pray for something, you forget it.2529.4293 
1748 2529.5729Because you know2530.7678 
1750 2531.0856if you feel that you-2532.5281 
1752 2533.6150uh,2534.1682 
1754 2534.6174we say a child of God and a Christian person2537.1743 
1756 2538.6748one of His children, and you pray, then you2541.1492 
1758 2541.8367a- asked Him for something, you forget it.2544.0483 
1759DTA_int_032545.7637[/inaudible/]2547.5532
1760DTA_se2_ag4_m_022546.0123You don't [start and wond-]2547.2225
1762 2547.4415[That's] right.2548.1230 
1763 2549.3485He- he's never late. Um,, you may have- well the other way I saw it,2552.8894
1765 2553.5087sh-2553.6951 
1767 2554.0649they quote it, but I can't quote it just like it- I says, he's never late, he's always on time.2558.0031 
1769 2560.3583We- you see, but we think, well I didn't get this-2563.2574 
1771 2564.3973I says, I sa- I'm praying and wondering if I'm gonna get it. Now,2567.5593 
1773 2568.2622now I prayed and2569.4408 
1775 2569.6089I didn't get it.2570.4829 
1777 2571.1277See.2571.3844 
1778DTA_int_032571.7074Yeah.2571.9221
1779DTA_se2_ag4_m_022573.4035I pray today and I ask for something, uh tonight when I uh go to bed, and I ask for something and I2580.0727
1781 2581.2513then I get up s- and go, well now, I- I know it's gonna happen and I don't- uh,2585.7763 
1783 2585.9871When?2586.5495 
1785 2586.9182I don't know.2587.4714 
1787 2589.2316But in time.2590.0343 
1788DTA_int_032590.8961Are there anythings you can2592.2927
1790 2592.5698I mean,2592.8688 
1792 2593.3980funny little things you can do2594.8038 
1794 2595.4364that you don't really believe in2596.7678 
1796 2597.3912to get a wish?2598.1691 
1798 2599.0527You know, if it's something you'r e not serious.2600.6265 
1799DTA_se2_ag4_m_022600.7641Something not serious, /in/ [uh.]2602.6058
1800DTA_int_032602.3430[A] chicken bone or [something.]2603.9596
1801DTA_se2_ag4_m_022603.8221[N- uh.]2605.0985
1802DTA_int_032604.5423[Did you ever]2605.0618
1803 2605.7800do that?2606.2633
1804DTA_se2_ag4_m_022606.3222Well, uh,2607.6350
1806 2607.7664Yeah, I2608.5905 
1808 2608.9481have2609.3393 
1810 2609.6846in other words, you mean do little things yourself [that d- d-]2612.3912 
1811DTA_int_032611.6700[Yeah. That's right] to have a wish. When it's- when it's [not important enough to bother] the [deity.]2616.0436
1812DTA_se2_ag4_m_022613.7257[Mm.]2613.8693
1814 2614.2116[/?/]2614.6394 
1816 2614.8136[N-]2615.0245 
1818 2615.6815[And] oh. Uh. Well, now.2617.8350 
1819 2618.1162Those things, yeah. I used to. Well, we used to take a chicken bone and we'd break it and make a wish and see [if it comes] true. Yeah, I did that.2624.2415
1820DTA_int_032622.6309[Uh-huh]2622.8571
1822 2623.9603[Yeah.]2624.2375 
1823DTA_se2_ag4_m_022625.1674I did that and I don't know if I ever know of one that I made a wish come true, really. [<laugh> Now (laughing)] I don't.2631.7040
1824DTA_int_032629.4038[<laugh>]2630.8734
1826 2631.6854[<laugh>]2632.1413 
1827DTA_se2_ag4_m_022631.7722[Being f-] truthfully I don't know if I've ever m- made one and know that it come true. But I had did that quite often. Oh. I-2638.2207
1828 2638.5905I get the-2639.3392
1830 2640.2347wishbone, we call it, of the [chicken and] every- They break it and make a wish. And [I know] I have a.2645.7426 
1831DTA_int_032641.5049[Yeah.]2641.7966
1833 2644.7219[<laugh>]2645.1803 
1834DTA_se2_ag4_m_022646.2530And so, s- I have several of those little things that- those little2649.8795
1836 2650.1015[funny things /unintelligible/.]2651.2659 
1837DTA_int_032650.1037[Oh yeah?]2650.4977
1839 2650.8840[Can you tell me about 'em?]2651.7507 
1840DTA_se2_ag4_m_022651.6021[Mm.]2651.7396
1841 2652.5983Well, I say, but I don't know if never- [I did 'em and.]2655.4089
1842DTA_int_032654.8374[You don't believe] in them. But what are the ones you don't believe in? I know the one you do believe [in.]2658.9190
1843DTA_se2_ag4_m_022658.7532[Well. That's actually a very-]2660.5959
1844DTA_int_032659.3858[<laugh>]2660.5073
1845DTA_se2_ag4_m_022660.9963Well, well, when I was small,2662.8258
1847 2663.6357I had- I believed in this little thing we talked about. But af- but after I grew up, I didn't believe in it. I found it just nothing to it, and we didn't.2670.4363 
1849 2671.1321Uh. It wasn't anything. Just something p- uh2674.2024 
1851 2674.3216pass time, uh,2675.4129 
1853 2675.8007something, but it wasn't anything [to it.]2677.2116 
1854DTA_int_032677.1260[Things] that if they were there, you felt like you had to make a wish.2679.8183
1855DTA_se2_ag4_m_022679.8234As if [i-]2680.5661
1856DTA_int_032680.3735[You know with]2680.8380
1857DTA_se2_ag4_m_022680.8350N- uh. [I-] You go- make a- take a wishbone an- to get it, see. And2684.9657
1858DTA_int_032681.4129[a wishing well.]2681.7685
1859DTA_se2_ag4_m_022685.1338I- b- but I found out- we- that di- no, no, any of [that's not true.] [I-]2688.2010
1860DTA_int_032687.0795[Mm-hm.]2687.6601
1862 2687.9474[<laugh>]2688.3844 
1863DTA_se2_ag4_m_022688.7206And when you- you wo- and things that you're making a wish for with that wishbone,2692.4560
1865 2692.9205/if it one/ way to get it. Now, if it's something that's to be purchased, uh, uh. Something like I did, you try to make a way to get it and then purchase it after, [<laugh>]2700.3279 
1866DTA_int_032699.9474[Yeah.]2700.2102
1867 2700.5127[Yeah.]2700.7406
1868DTA_se2_ag4_m_022700.6975[that's] the only way that's coming true, see.2702.7334
1869DTA_int_032702.7334Yeah.2702.9535
1870DTA_se2_ag4_m_022703.6350So, wait a mo-2704.6883
1872 2705.5593but you get out here and2707.1626 
1874 2707.7463<ts> I was gonna say to you, I had a little2709.8509 
1876 2710.7922something that happened, that was here.2712.4529 
1878 2712.5462And that- this was another incident2714.1956 
1880 2716.0251that uh2716.9419 
1882 2717.0886you might say that i-2718.3722 
1884 2719.0893you know, my2719.7555 
1886 2720.4706uh,2721.0360 
1888 2721.5861heavenly father2722.4774 
1890 2723.0581provided for me. And this looks like a2725.3674 
1892 2725.5141you might see, one of those things that you speaking of now.2727.9457 
1894 2729.3086Because it was a-2730.5555 
1896 2730.7358I got a court summon.2731.7677 
1897DTA_int_032732.1589 Mm-hm.2732.4401
1898DTA_se2_ag4_m_022732.9504And that was through this way,2734.2604
1900 2734.4255man sold my home.2735.5929 
1902 2737.2054At that time and2738.2170 
1903DTA_int_032738.6142Mm-hm.2738.9379
1904DTA_se2_ag4_m_022739.3538I told him, don't sell my home now2741.4920
1906 2741.8465unless you can get the money,2743.6516 
1908 2744.2384enough money to make the down payment on the home in which you want to sell us. He had a home that he wanted to sell us, see.2749.9223 
1910 2752.1565And uh, I-2753.5531 
1912 2754.0115I says because I know I won't have any cash money2756.7670 
1914 2756.9046pay it. So,2757.4883 
1916 2758.2421I left it up to him and so he come and,2760.3905 
1918 2761.8655well, I had sold the home.2763.1368 
1920 2763.9609He'd brought some people out and showed it to 'em2765.9321 
1922 2767.1443in here. So after he'd been /made a deal-/ Well, you'll sold the home? And I says, well, okay fine.2772.2377 
1924 2773.5385So, he says, uh, they'll be out and, uh,2775.9487 
1926 2776.6210you come over and-2777.7915 
1928 2777.9901to the-2778.3996 
1930 2778.6227meet him at the2779.5782 
1932 2780.6142real estate office, and meet at such and such a time and we'll2783.2689 
1934 2784.2010uh2784.7969 
1936 2784.9304just make out the- both contracts all the same time.2787.5005 
1937DTA_int_032787.5025Mm-hm.2787.7840
1938DTA_se2_ag4_m_022788.2482Alright.2788.8105
1940 2789.0427So, we going over and2790.4638 
1942 2791.5293we may fill out that they'd sold our home, where we sold to them if they let out first and2795.9809 
1944 2797.9663only like five hundred dollars have nothing make the down payment on the home that we buying. I says, hey, I told him, I said I told you not to sa- sell it. Then walked away2805.6899 
1946 2806.5568cause we2807.1191 
1948 2807.4859you haven't been got enough money /hear me/.2808.9059 
1950 2809.1901He said, don't worry about that says, we can take care of that. Y- You just let us know, well.2813.6601 
1952 2814.4974I thought then to2815.9205 
1954 2817.2560back out of the deal. And see, I said to the wife, what do you think? She says, well, I don't know.2822.0916 
1956 2823.7358He says don't worry about the- enough fi- money was his- we- you- we'll take care of that. Alright. We can fix that. Alright. Well, I let the deal go through.2830.7524 
1958 2832.1429And, uh,2832.8448 
1960 2833.8838so, then to- for me to make the deal, had to make a side note2836.5843 
1962 2837.5653for five hundred dollars, I make my house loan and then pay on this five hundred dollars too.2841.9181 
1964 2843.7609And uh,2844.8366 
1966 2845.2909I went on and made if for a while, but my work, I was working in the factory and at that time, the factory was working2850.5402 
1968 2850.7021not the same as they do now. [And]2852.5959 
1969DTA_int_032852.3892[Mm-hm.]2852.6692
1970DTA_se2_ag4_m_022853.2162he was off three months and things, and I got behind on this statement, I told him2857.6919
1972 2859.5927that uh, what had happened. And I couldn't pay on thi- making2862.6844 
1974 2862.8097my2863.2060 
1976 2863.5758house payment, but this side load, I [couldn't] pay it, so.2866.3496 
1977DTA_int_032865.3961[Yeah.]2865.6039
1978DTA_se2_ag4_m_022866.7683Then they2867.2664
1980 2867.3826turned it over and said, /???/ asked what I /was in the/2869.5116 
1982 2869.8569court2870.2420 
1984 2870.6118all at court about it, see.2871.9004 
1986 2872.8600Uh.2873.2848 
1988 2873.6790In this uh, recorder's court.2875.3282 
1990 2878.1418So,2878.6063 
1992 2879.7737I went down to court.2881.1846 
1993DTA_int_032881.7469Mm-hm.2881.9973
1994DTA_se2_ag4_m_022881.9822And my brother-in-law went with me to court2883.9163
1995 2884.0599Well, as I2884.8330
1997 2885.2662said to you before, I2886.6422 
1999 2887.3695always asked the good Lord to go in front with me and my-2890.8646 
2001 2891.3199uh, whatever I've got to do.2893.4871