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1DTA_int_090.6531Uh,0.8882
3 0.9898what kinds of games did you play when you were younger?3.2484 
4DTA_se3_ag2_m_015.2234Oh, things like6.1051
6 7.0204tag and, uh,8.0887 
8 8.2785baseball,9.0592 
10 9.2857[football.]9.9469 
11DTA_int_099.2857[Uh-huh.]9.5890
12 10.7183How did you- how did you play tag, for example? Could you explain that to me?14.0186
13DTA_se3_ag2_m_0116.4642Well we17.1754
15 17.4744chose a spot, say a tree,19.3571 
16DTA_int_0919.7091[Mm-hm.]20.0560
17DTA_se3_ag2_m_0119.8438[and]20.3887
18 21.5367we would, uh,22.3724
20 22.5683form some sort of a23.9276 
22 24.6592circle,25.3384 
24 25.6112and choose who was supposed to be it.27.4572 
26 27.5735And then [the rest] would go hide and29.3091 
27DTA_int_0927.8777[Mm-hm.]28.2173
28DTA_se3_ag2_m_0130.7296the person that was it would stand at the tree,33.0850
30 33.4969count to ten, and then34.7367 
32 35.5631go looking for the rest of 'em.36.8910 
33DTA_int_0937.3081Uh-huh.37.7029
35 37.8009Uh, are there any rhymes that you used or anything to find out who was going to be it?41.5907 
37 43.0847Like, I know we used to use one potato, two potato.45.5111 
38DTA_se3_ag2_m_0148.2092I can't remember any of 'em, to [tell you the truth.]50.2714
39DTA_int_0949.6999[Uh-huh.]50.0550
40 50.8664Uh, how about baseball. Where'd you play baseball?53.4206
41DTA_se3_ag2_m_0155.2224We used to pay- play baseball at, uh, Brady Field or58.5254
43 59.0887Northwestern Field.60.4051 
45 60.6653Or Atkinson's Field.61.9496 
46DTA_int_0962.0764Uh-huh.62.4842
48 63.0011What position did you play?64.3448 
49DTA_se3_ag2_m_0165.2356Usually second base.66.4204
50DTA_int_0966.4694Uh-huh. Did you play on any team or anything?68.4590
51DTA_se3_ag2_m_0169.0623<ts> I played for the Falcons and the Flaming Arrows.72.1755
52DTA_int_0972.4112Uh-huh.72.7407
54 72.9347Could you tell me about the- the most interesting game you ever played in?75.8306 
55DTA_se3_ag2_m_0177.5019Well actually they were all pretty interesting. Uh,80.0121
57 81.2184I guess the fun of playing made everything interesting then.84.2857 
58DTA_int_0984.7877[Uh-huh.]85.0928
59DTA_se3_ag2_m_0184.8704[There-] there isn't any particular game that87.0879
60 87.6530stands out in my mind, except89.5447
62 90.0684for perhaps the game we played about my best friend's team93.5520 
63DTA_int_0993.6622[Mm-hm.]93.9775
64DTA_se3_ag2_m_0193.7755[that we] won.94.5316
65 95.6582Uh, but outside of that.96.9338
66DTA_int_0998.5266Mm-hm.98.9286
68 99.4112Okay, good. Uh,100.3292 
70 100.4612how about, uh any other games when-102.3041 
72 102.4507you played when you were, uh,103.6877 
74 104.3580younger, such as, uh,105.7755 
76 106.3234the little girls might play now?107.9851 
77DTA_se3_ag2_m_01111.9040Well actually112.5745
79 113.4560this neighborhood was, uh, like a big family when I was younger.116.9735 
81 117.0929[So]117.5796 
82DTA_int_09117.1480[Uh-huh.]117.5132
83DTA_se3_ag2_m_01118.0265tag and-118.8774
85 119.4529and just sitting around on the porch talking, and bicycle riding,122.7286 
86DTA_int_09123.6959[Mm-hm.]124.0785
87DTA_se3_ag2_m_01124.0265[so] forth, were about the125.7898
88 126.3439essence of it.127.2285
90 127.5224And this baseball, it was mainly for the fellas. I [don't know what] the girls did while we were playing baseball.132.6975 
91DTA_int_09130.1489[Yeah.]130.5059
92 133.2744Did you ever play any games, uh, like where one person would go hide and the other would try- try to find them?138.7510
94 139.8871What would you call that?140.7372 
95DTA_se3_ag2_m_01142.5958<ts> Hide and seek.143.4442
96DTA_int_09143.5049Uh-huh. [And how] did you play that?144.9071
97DTA_se3_ag2_m_01143.8970[Yeah.]144.1683
98 146.2172Uh, it was the same principle as tag, really. Uh,148.9441
100 149.2203the person that was150.5826 
102 150.7265supposed to hide would be chosen by some rhyme or some form of a lot-155.0458 
104 155.4162lottery.155.9520 
106 156.7020And, uh,157.3938 
108 157.8835he would count to158.8283 
110 159.1296some given number and then go160.9378 
112 161.6427try and find the rest of us.163.1887 
113DTA_int_09163.7550Mm-hm.164.1860
115 165.5061Did you have to run back to the goal, or?167.5313 
116DTA_se3_ag2_m_01171.5000<ts> Well if you were spotted,172.7959
118 173.2876and you could back to the goal before the person175.8713 
120 176.1590that was it176.8755 
122 176.9704got back to the goal,178.0362 
123DTA_int_09178.1856[Mm-hm.]178.5078
124DTA_se3_ag2_m_01178.4489[then] you were free.179.3396
125 180.3224Otherwise,181.4581
127 181.7733if you could keep from being seen and sneak back to the goal, you didn't have to run.185.9092 
128DTA_int_09186.8061Mm-hm.187.2071
130 188.8571Um,189.2826 
132 192.7142how about193.1948 
134 193.4183t- uh, you ever hear of tackle tackle pom-pom?195.8274 
135DTA_se3_ag2_m_01197.4529No, I never have.198.4357
136DTA_int_09198.8367Uh-huh.199.2067
138 199.7152How about marbles, do you ever play that?201.2704 
139DTA_se3_ag2_m_01202.9754Uh, we played with marbles rather infrequently. It [wasn't any-] ever any big207.1173
140DTA_int_09205.7607[Uh-huh.]206.0917
141 207.4816[How did you] play marbles?208.5621
142DTA_se3_ag2_m_01207.5275[thing.]207.8152
143 210.2275In a circle, the-211.2499
145 211.5958everyone would put a certain amount of marbles in the circle and, uh,214.9148 
147 215.4774we'd just take turns shooting at 'em. We didn't have any elaborate rules or218.7286 
148DTA_int_09219.0194[Mm-hm.]219.3227
149DTA_se3_ag2_m_01219.2061[anything] for marbles.220.4324
150DTA_int_09221.2111Good.221.5447
152 222.1173Uh- uh, do you watch TV /not in the/ summer, when you're not in school much?225.8967 
153DTA_se3_ag2_m_01226.2989Not very often.227.1284
154DTA_int_09227.4314Uh-huh.227.8847
156 228.2765How about the movies? Have you seen any of the230.4590 
158 231.8887[/recent movies/?]232.4932 
159DTA_se3_ag2_m_01232.1213[Oh,] not too many.233.5349
160 234.1816[Maybe] four or five.235.3745
161DTA_int_09234.2183[Uh-huh.]234.5030
162 235.6509What are some of the ones that you've seen [recently?]237.7981
163DTA_se3_ag2_m_01237.6254[<ts> I've] seen, uh, A Patch of Blue.239.9153
164DTA_int_09240.2244What did you think of A Patch of Blue?241.7689
165DTA_se3_ag2_m_01243.1693Well I thought that for once it was a picture that was, uh, exactly what it was-247.2532
167 247.4978was claimed to be in the advertisement.249.3734 
169 249.9989[I thought] it was pretty good, as- as far as a human interest story.253.5927 
170DTA_int_09250.0387[Oh.]250.2744
171DTA_se3_ag2_m_01254.0886That's what it was.255.3622
172DTA_int_09255.5458Mm-hm.255.9713
173DTA_se3_ag2_m_01256.6264And, uh,257.2110
175 257.3396as such, I f-258.2030 
177 258.3836I feel like it re- uh,259.8284 
179 260.0029realized its goal.261.0826 
180DTA_int_09261.3071Yeah. I liked it too.262.5162
182 263.0672How about s- uh, Sidney Poitier? Did you265.3050 
184 265.7182think he did a pretty good job?266.9113 
185DTA_se3_ag2_m_01269.1468<ts>269.2814
187 269.4590Well269.8326 
189 270.0530not being a, uh,271.1948 
191 273.0714a critic or anything, it'd be kind of-275.2967 
193 275.9704but I- I thought he did a good job. He was convincing enough.278.8602 
194DTA_int_09279.2275Mm-hm.279.6315
196 281.5143Uh,281.8540 
198 282.0806how about any- any other movies you've seen recently?284.6086 
199DTA_se3_ag2_m_01285.0469Oh, let's see.286.2805
201 290.6151I saw-291.4307 
203 291.7295I can't remember the name of that picture.293.7989 
205 297.4326The Silencers, that what it [was.]299.2828 
206DTA_int_09299.1651[What] was that about?300.0285
207DTA_se3_ag2_m_01300.3897Oh, it was a take off on James Bond.302.7110
209 303.2765[Had] Dean Martin in it.304.4580 
210DTA_int_09303.2765[Mm-hm.]303.5489
211DTA_se3_ag2_m_01304.6080It- it was, uh,305.8265
213 307.0631sort of-307.5774 
215 308.2631it was- it was half comedy309.7782 
217 310.5192and, uh,311.1650 
219 311.3813I don't know. It's312.2549 
221 313.4182[mediocre.]314.1835 
222DTA_int_09313.4182[Mm-hm.]313.6765
223 315.9438How about A Patch of Blue? Could you describe it for me? Say318.9989
225 319.2180that I hadn't seen it.320.3396 
227 320.6428Could you tell me what it was about?322.1029 
229 323.0182After your /unintelligible/ about? (laughing)325.3509 
231 325.6570<laugh>325.9578 
232DTA_se3_ag2_m_01326.6304Well I feel327.4648
234 328.3141that the, uh,329.2386 
236 331.3815the underlying theme of the picture was just333.5979 
238 334.3539the-334.7825 
240 334.9171the335.2875 
242 335.4528cruelty that this blind girl337.3539 
244 338.0763whose name I can't remember [but]339.9376 
245DTA_int_09339.9162[Mm-hm.]340.2921
246DTA_se3_ag2_m_01341.3151it was a blind girl who342.8534
248 343.3723had lost344.2202 
250 344.4681or had been separated from her father somehow.347.1413 
251DTA_int_09347.4834Mm-hm.347.8479
252DTA_se3_ag2_m_01348.2366Her mother was a prostitute,350.0365
254 350.5691and, uh, her grandfather was a drunk.352.7243 
256 354.1754And she was, uh, terribly mistreated in the home, made to do all the work, and358.1641 
258 358.8222exist off of360.0469 
260 360.1601the money she made selling beads.362.3225 
262 362.8969Not allowed to go out or have friends or [anything of this] nature.366.4938 
263DTA_int_09365.5969[Mm-hm.]365.9452
264DTA_se3_ag2_m_01367.4029And the story368.6150
266 369.1111develops around the- the friendship371.5997 
268 372.1999that she acquires373.4672 
270 374.5293with, uh, Sidney Poitier.376.3325 
272 376.5927As she sits in the park,377.9061 
274 378.2887making these, uh,379.3355 
275DTA_int_09379.4488Mm-hm.379.8058
276DTA_se3_ag2_m_01379.8743necklaces one day.381.0897
278 381.9376And it- it's just the story of how383.9367 
280 384.6866a person comes to realize that they're a person.387.5991 
282 388.6263And389.1436 
284 389.5661what it-389.9611 
286 390.0989what it does to them391.2774 
288 391.4059inside.392.1987 
289DTA_int_09392.7438Mm-hm.393.0558
290DTA_se3_ag2_m_01393.4907What it does to the person that helps them to realize this.396.6774
292 397.9294And, uh, in a lesser extent399.7570 
294 400.2406the, uh,400.8804 
296 401.8234feelings of this-402.9713 
298 403.2468of the mother and the grandfather who had treated this girl so shabbily.406.9539 
299DTA_int_09407.8479Mm-hm.408.2703
300DTA_se3_ag2_m_01409.6508And then it- it goes on, she411.6027
302 412.2743is able to get into a school for the blind414.7385 
304 415.5406so that her life might be a little better.417.3256 
305DTA_int_09417.8733Mm-hm.418.2682
306DTA_se3_ag2_m_01418.3172But it- there aren't any419.4528
308 419.9122other overtones.420.9100 
309DTA_int_09420.9284Very good.421.5176
311 421.8345Um,422.1957 
313 422.6550how about any particular424.2271 
315 424.4702TV programs that you like?425.9734 
317 427.2314That you watch [sometimes.]428.5739 
318DTA_se3_ag2_m_01428.3671[None] in particular that- that I think are-430.7824
319 431.1651that I look at above any other.432.8674
320DTA_int_09433.0631Uh-huh.433.5057
321DTA_se3_ag2_m_01434.1865I might look at a late movie435.7478
323 436.2192if there's something on that I437.7719 
325 437.8999haven't seen and wanted to see.439.6500 
327 440.2780But this is pretty seldom too.441.9988 
328DTA_int_09442.4273Mm-hm.442.8804
330 443.7805Uh, do you have a pet around the house at all?446.2636 
331DTA_se3_ag2_m_01446.7805No we don't, not now.447.9125
332DTA_int_09448.2835Well did you have one when you were younger?449.8601
333DTA_se3_ag2_m_01450.6590Yes, I had a dog.452.0120
335 452.7775[When I was] about453.5060 
336DTA_int_09452.7775[Mm-hm.]453.1620
337DTA_se3_ag2_m_01454.3478ten, I think.455.2661
338DTA_int_09456.8917Can you tell me about your dog then?458.4910
340 458.7805[/unintelligible/.]459.7637 
341DTA_se3_ag2_m_01459.0897[If I can remember.]460.3906
342 460.8161See, he was black and white, I d-462.3646
344 462.7907really don't know what kind of dog he was. I don't think I ever did.465.9070 
345DTA_int_09466.1855Mm-hm.466.5957
346DTA_se3_ag2_m_01467.5999And is- let's see, his name was Reddy.470.2934
348 471.5550And he was s- sort of stupid.472.9477 
350 473.3548[<laugh>]473.7419 
351DTA_int_09473.5724[<laugh>]474.1572
352 474.5519<laugh>474.8552
353DTA_se3_ag2_m_01475.6202[Uh,] we used to have a lot of fun though.477.4509
354DTA_int_09475.6202[Yeah.]475.8858
355DTA_se3_ag2_m_01478.0876Outside of the times that he would get caught in the rope and half choke himself, or run out482.1803
357 482.2995in front of cars.483.3408 
358DTA_int_09483.4417Uh-huh.483.7537
360 484.6906Think a dog's good with kids around the house /or not/?487.3040 
361DTA_se3_ag2_m_01489.3652Yeah, well it-489.9253
363 490.1335I think it depends on the kid. If- if the kid is, uh, a responsible sort of kid,495.2621 
365 495.7723then I think a pet496.7977 
367 497.0181helps him.497.6395 
369 497.8448If not, I-498.7649 
371 499.4396I don't because they,500.8517 
373 501.0866in the first place,502.1663 
375 503.2385a lot of kids just want a dog to have one.506.2411 
377 506.4436[And they]506.8815 
378DTA_int_09506.4436[Uh-huh.]506.7672
379DTA_se3_ag2_m_01507.1509don't play with 'em508.2896
381 508.5130and they509.0059 
383 509.1375forget to feed 'em,510.2622 
384DTA_int_09510.6988[Mm-hm.]511.0500
385DTA_se3_ag2_m_01511.0080[and] things like this. And512.6232
386 513.1601a little puppy is the same as a little kid, it likes to played with,516.3035
388 517.0906so on, and so forth.518.2416 
390 518.9917So519.5427 
392 520.2253if- if the kid isn't a sort of a-522.2243 
394 522.7692of a person that523.7487 
396 523.9691enjoys doing this and having a pet, I-526.2008 
398 527.1528I don't think that, uh,528.4110 
400 529.6324it's especially helpful.530.9335 
401DTA_int_09531.1601Mm-hm.531.5882
403 531.7539Good.532.0263 
405 532.6814Uh,533.1211 
407 533.6303how about when you were younger, was there any way to get a wish? Say if you were eating chicken or turkey or something.538.9171 
409 540.1815How did that tradition work?541.5712 
410DTA_se3_ag2_m_01542.8937Well we did have the- that wishbone tradition with545.7652
411DTA_int_09545.7652[Uh-huh.]546.0612
412DTA_se3_ag2_m_01545.9366[turkey.]546.4111
413 546.5641But it-547.0722
415 547.9048we only did it two or three times. I mean, it [wasn't.]550.4093 
416DTA_int_09550.3202[What] did you when you551.3946
417 551.7835did that?552.1899
418DTA_se3_ag2_m_01552.8702You made a wish and then broke the bone.555.1662
419DTA_int_09555.5274[Mm-hm.]555.8539
420DTA_se3_ag2_m_01555.6008[And if] you got the large half, you were supposed to get your wish. But you never [did.]559.7830
421DTA_int_09559.7089[<laugh>]560.2722
422 561.1019How about when your tooth came out when you were younger?563.6706
424 564.5886What happened [/inaudible/?]565.3569 
425DTA_se3_ag2_m_01564.9590[A good] fairy used to566.3827
426 567.2855come in and slip a dime in there.569.2170
428 569.5599[Or a] nickel or a quarter.571.1028 
429DTA_int_09569.5662[Mm-hm.]569.8434
430 571.4120Uh-huh. [Do you still do that with your little brother?]573.6919
431DTA_se3_ag2_m_01571.8681[Depends on how much money-]573.3073
432 575.3242uh,575.8386
434 578.5631I guess they do.579.4424 
435DTA_int_09579.8304Mm-hm.580.2039
437 580.4181Good.580.6706 
439 581.4278Uh, tell me about your- your school. Tell me about college first.584.3734 
441 584.5417Uh, what585.1054 
443 585.2733courses do you study, or what your major is, or what you'd like to do?588.4109 
444DTA_se3_ag2_m_01590.3334Well let's see, I've had591.5243
446 592.8375<ts> eight hours of history, and-594.6876 
448 595.0079<ts>595.1365 
450 596.1191No,596.4987 
452 599.9121fourteen hours of history.601.5069 
453DTA_int_09601.8803Mm-hm.602.2751
454DTA_se3_ag2_m_01603.2182Six hours of sociology.605.1991
456 605.5478Four hours of anthropology. Three hours of psych.608.7560 
457DTA_int_09609.0376Mm-hm.609.4570
458DTA_se3_ag2_m_01609.9161Four hours of management.611.4803
460 614.0395Uh, f- eight hours of science.616.2773 
462 617.4497Eight hours of English.618.9865 
463DTA_int_09619.3324Mm-hm.619.7489
465 621.5427Well what [course do you like, uh] best? What are your?624.2610 
466DTA_se3_ag2_m_01622.2161[Mostly basics.]623.3456
467 624.4478I find that the English and the sociology and the psychology are about the [most interesting.]629.9702
468DTA_int_09629.0426[Uh-huh.]629.3850
469 630.2978Any particular reasons why you think these are so interesting?633.2902
470DTA_se3_ag2_m_01633.8885Well mainly because they deal with people.636.1293
471DTA_int_09636.6192[Mm-hm.]636.9987
472DTA_se3_ag2_m_01636.7263[I-] I don't feel that637.9691
473 638.4772dealing with, uh, f-639.9192
475 640.0661numbers640.8589 
477 640.9936and, uh, things like this are especially interesting. Not to me,644.1527 
479 644.2905personally.644.8478 
480DTA_int_09645.0835Mm-hm.645.4722
481DTA_se3_ag2_m_01645.6773But when you- when you start647.2017
483 647.9029getting into behavior649.2293 
485 649.9323and things like this, I find this pretty interesting.652.5373 
486DTA_int_09652.8130Uh-huh.653.2415
488 653.5937And you're pretty interested in psychology and, uh,656.3366 
490 657.6253[/inaudible/.]658.3630 
491DTA_se3_ag2_m_01657.7416[Sociology] more than- than psychology, now that I've660.9804
492 661.5191been able to see both of 'em.662.9917
493DTA_int_09663.3620Mm-hm.663.7722
494DTA_se3_ag2_m_01664.3048And664.7344
496 664.8681even history665.8294 
498 665.9855because, uh, you find in history classes668.3517 
500 668.8233on a higher level give you an insight into why people did what they did at the time, whereas674.1558 
502 674.6672in high school you just676.2824 
504 676.6079are given the facts. This happened [at]678.6180 
505DTA_int_09678.5304[Yeah.]678.7600
506DTA_se3_ag2_m_01678.8226this time679.6813
508 680.0578and this was the result, but681.5365 
510 681.7753you-682.2252 
512 682.6721and you don't even question684.2420 
514 684.5794why in high school685.8361 
516 685.9721for some odd reason, whereas when you get in college,688.7272 
518 689.2996a simple question like690.9650 
520 691.8497why did the Battle of-693.5192 
522 693.6375of Lexington start,695.2281 
524 695.7223for instance.696.4580 
525DTA_int_09696.6865Mm-hm.697.0722
526DTA_se3_ag2_m_01698.0395Uh, you might know that it started because of political [reasons,]701.6855
527DTA_int_09701.6672[Yeah.]701.9182
528DTA_se3_ag2_m_01702.0927but you don't702.6369
530 702.8242know703.2959 
532 703.5099really why it started, as far as the people were concerned. And706.8374 
534 707.9794in this connection that I find, uh, sociology711.1539 
536 711.7202important because it deals with713.2047 
538 713.3394people.713.8447 
539DTA_int_09714.2304[Mm-hm.714.5549
540DTA_se3_ag2_m_01714.4906[And]714.9085
541 715.5589then history ties in there too.717.2120
543 717.9926And all the rest- most of the rest of the subjects that I've taken.720.8249 
544DTA_int_09721.5987Good.721.9384
546 722.2109Uh, do you have any Mickey Mouse courses? Do you know what a Mickey Mouse course is?725.9043 
547DTA_se3_ag2_m_01727.0722I thought I did,728.2415
549 729.5242well729.9335 
551 730.1541one course I had, but731.5264 
553 731.6549that was just because I'm pretty good in English.733.8710 
554DTA_int_09734.1435Mm-hm.734.5179
555DTA_se3_ag2_m_01734.8325Course called Freshmen Reading,736.3476
557 737.1252in which you were737.9763 
559 738.3161completely on your own. You were only required to see your instructor one time741.9239 
561 742.7670and take743.2170 
563 743.3670the tests.744.1171 
565 744.3926And you were given eight books to read.746.1619 
567 746.7590You were tested in essay form and, uh, objectively.750.1294 
569 751.0079And I found that pretty easy as752.6513 
570DTA_int_09752.9794Mm-hm.753.5512
571DTA_se3_ag2_m_01753.9691course, I had, uh, no great problem.755.3700
572DTA_int_09756.7232What is, uh,757.3568
574 757.5864particularly that's of interest in the area of English to you?760.5068 
575DTA_se3_ag2_m_01761.9886Writing.762.4297
576DTA_int_09762.9252[Uh-huh.]763.2344
577DTA_se3_ag2_m_01762.9803[Just-]763.3354
578 763.9201just [plain write-]764.6121
579DTA_int_09764.1137[Creative writing?]764.8753
580DTA_se3_ag2_m_01766.5466Are you speaking of poetry and, like-768.0651
581DTA_int_09768.1477Well yeah, I'm thinking of [short stories] or, uh.770.5449
582DTA_se3_ag2_m_01769.0783[no I don't-]769.5711
583 771.8548essays.772.6721
585 772.9354[I'd say,]773.6118 
586DTA_int_09773.0364[Uh-huh.]773.3455
587 774.0039[Mm-hm.]774.3246
588DTA_se3_ag2_m_01774.0773[Rather] than short stories.775.5823
589DTA_int_09776.2200Good.776.4588
591 777.6956Uh, how about when you were778.8894 
593 779.3700younger, when you were in elementary school and, uh, high school?782.5454 
595 782.8967Any particular subjects that you liked then?785.0126 
596DTA_se3_ag2_m_01786.9834I used to enjoy history788.4012
597DTA_int_09789.0743Mm-hm.789.4293
598DTA_se3_ag2_m_01789.4293and English.790.1946
599 791.7896Um,792.4209
601 792.9589<ts>793.1150 
603 794.4404I took an art class in high school that I found pretty enjoying.797.4771 
604DTA_int_09797.9304Uh-huh.798.3280
606 799.5956What did it just deal with painting, or?801.2487 
607DTA_se3_ag2_m_01801.8058No, it was drawing.802.7639
608DTA_int_09803.0241[Uh-huh.]803.3942
609DTA_se3_ag2_m_01803.2139[S-]803.5231
610 804.4538and, uh,805.1181
612 805.7119sometimes I wish I had, uh,807.1263 
614 807.7997continued in that line, but809.3914 
616 809.6271I didn't. I just took the one course that811.6843 
618 811.8251year.812.2170 
619DTA_int_09812.6916[Mm-hm.]813.0222
620DTA_se3_ag2_m_01812.9916[And] didn't take it,813.7722
621 814.0538art,814.3201
623 814.4793any further.815.2513 
624DTA_int_09816.0742Uh, and tell me, from your class-817.5282
626 817.6109from your f-818.1006 
628 818.2182seat in the classroom, what are some of the common objects you could see when you were in elementary school?823.0936 
630 824.2721Or- or any school, as a matter of fact.826.1701 
631DTA_se3_ag2_m_01826.7853Well through grade and high school,828.6313
633 829.2068the only thing that- that you could really pay attention to was a nun because most of them were overpowering.835.9262 
634DTA_int_09836.1105<laugh>836.8143
635DTA_se3_ag2_m_01837.1722And they held your attention pretty well. You-839.3118
637 839.8171you weren't too prone to gaze around for fear that the yardstick would come843.5579 
639 843.6742crashing down on your hand at any minute.845.6669 
640DTA_int_09845.7590Uh-huh.846.1538
642 846.5426They- they hit you with a yardstick?848.2108 
643DTA_se3_ag2_m_01848.7436They used to, uh,850.2660
645 851.5047do that when they felt that-852.8303 
647 852.9834that you needed it.853.9760 
648DTA_int_09854.2353Uh-huh.854.7098
650 855.9650Huh, very interesting.857.0394 
652 857.6579Does- does your sister go to /RD-SCHOOL-4/?859.5068 
653DTA_se3_ag2_m_01859.9384Yeah, all three of us went there.861.2640
654DTA_int_09861.5334Uh, what grade's your sister in?862.8598
655DTA_se3_ag2_m_01863.1496She's a junior.864.4332
656DTA_int_09864.8334Oh, is that right? I interviewed somebody from the other day- other week, uh, /RD-NAME-2/868.6008
658 869.2629/RD-NAME-2/, I guess it was.870.4415 
659DTA_se3_ag2_m_01871.7884Uh, I don't know too many of the people [there anymore.]874.4670
660DTA_int_09873.7377[Yeah.]874.0415
661 874.5343Yeah, I'll- I'll have to ask her later.876.2365
663 876.8058Uh, what did the teacher write on?878.4373 
664DTA_se3_ag2_m_01880.6139Pardon?880.9782
665DTA_int_09881.1037What did the teacher write on in the front of the room?883.2312
666DTA_se3_ag2_m_01884.1037A blackboard.884.7651
668 884.9579Just a plain old-885.8779 
669DTA_int_09886.4456Yeah.886.7547
670DTA_se3_ag2_m_01887.7038one of the old style blackboards, that's-889.6537
672 889.7915that gets chalk dusty and hard to read in the sun, [and so forth.]893.7792 
673DTA_int_09893.2882[How about the] green ones?894.3839
674DTA_se3_ag2_m_01894.4232No.894.7691
675DTA_int_09895.7976And what did you sit in?896.8722
677 897.1171Any897.3742 
679 897.6191special types of chairs?898.9720 
680DTA_se3_ag2_m_01900.7538They were the901.5313
682 902.0853desks that opened, uh,903.6686 
684 903.9589from the back,904.7700 
686 905.0271hinged at the front.905.9793 
687DTA_int_09906.2854Uh-huh.906.6772
689 908.8446If you walked outside the classroom, where would you be?911.1190 
690DTA_se3_ag2_m_01912.3099In a hall with a wooden floor.914.0935
692 914.3792Lockers on each side, the915.9252 
693DTA_int_09916.0782[Uh-huh.]916.4323
694DTA_se3_ag2_m_01916.3966[Catholic] schools are usually,917.8599
695 919.3139uh, older. You'll find, they're-921.0099
697 921.1722they're not921.6627 
699 921.8150nearly as modern as the923.4496 
701 924.1446public schools.925.1915 
702DTA_int_09925.3598[/unintelligible/.]925.7793
703DTA_se3_ag2_m_01925.5527[We] had wooden lockers927.0402
704 927.2946instead of metal ones, and they didn't lock.929.4189
706 929.5230There were930.0846 
708 930.5915nothing to lock them with.931.9812 
710 933.0497The floors in the-934.3047 
712 934.5680on the bottom floor were wooden.936.4170 
714 937.8557And, uh,938.5138 
716 939.3436it was just an older school.940.5699 
717DTA_int_09940.7700Uh-huh.941.2257
719 942.5578Uh,943.0996 
721 943.7027any place to get a drink out in the hall?945.3926 
722DTA_se3_ag2_m_01947.9120Just on the second and third floors, there was, uh,951.3885
724 952.8404two fountains-953.7467 
726 953.8691were [two fountains] on each floor.955.2986 
727DTA_int_09954.1018[Mm-hm.]954.4293
728 955.7302Mm-hm.956.0547
730 956.5108Good.956.7497 
732 957.7446Uh,958.2741 
734 958.6598how about when you were in elementary school,960.5058 
736 961.8129was there any962.4559 
738 962.5477place outside that you could964.1027 
740 964.3813play with-965.0149 
742 965.3700play in? Like.966.2181 
743DTA_se3_ag2_m_01967.4792Well in elementary school they used to block off the street970.2343
745 970.9139[parallel] to the school at noon hour.972.8889 
746DTA_int_09970.9139[Mm-hm.]971.0982
747DTA_se3_ag2_m_01972.9803That was the only place we could play that-974.7742
749 975.2854[most] Catholic schools don't have playgrounds attached [to them.]978.2708 
750DTA_int_09975.2854[Huh.]975.5568
752 977.8416[Okay.] Okay, y- you mentioned playground. What were some of the things you might find in the playground to play on?983.1168 
753DTA_se3_ag2_m_01985.5190Well when I was a kid,986.6393
755 987.1262the playgrounds around here anyway989.0695 
757 989.7956if you found a swing or something991.9077 
759 992.0730or slide, you were pretty lucky.993.8218 
761 994.2710Most of 'em were just995.5138 
763 995.8140the-996.1874 
765 996.7782some sort of grass or dirt or something.999.0099 
766DTA_int_09999.3068Anything that,1000.1731
768 1000.3506uh,1000.7091 
770 1000.9996you sat on a long board and one went up and the other down?1003.8618 
771DTA_se3_ag2_m_011004.2261No.1004.6026
773 1004.8660They didn't have any1005.6037 
775 1005.7231[teeter] totters.1006.7143 
776DTA_int_091005.7445[What-]1005.9840
777 1007.1955Anything else you can call that?1008.4507
778DTA_se3_ag2_m_011009.3629Seesaws.1010.2659
779DTA_int_091010.3118Uh-huh.1010.6730
781 1011.3497How about these bars that the kids- kids climb all over?1014.3494 
782DTA_se3_ag2_m_011014.9894Monkey bars.1016.0118
783DTA_int_091016.0822Uh-huh. What are they like?1017.2258
784DTA_se3_ag2_m_011021.5680They're just a-1022.5077
786 1024.9536a mass of intertwined bars so that it's- it's possible for a person to get1029.5670 
788 1030.0108entangled in there hopelessly.1031.7340 
789DTA_int_091032.0405[<laugh>]1032.5364
790DTA_se3_ag2_m_011032.2670[<laugh>]1032.5027
791 1033.2986Made in sort of a-1034.3577
793 1036.0231an open end, uh,1037.5512 
795 1039.0415what would you call it.1039.7975 
797 1043.5781I don't wanna say it's pear shaped because it's a little flatter on the sides and top [than that,] but1048.2084 
798DTA_int_091047.7220[Mm-hm.]1048.0587
799DTA_se3_ag2_m_011048.6904that give you the general idea. Open at one end1051.1853
801 1051.4884so it'll fit on the ground1053.0436 
802DTA_int_091053.6925Good.1053.9557
804 1054.4363Uh, what did the kids do, or w-1055.9823 
806 1056.0925d- you- did you do when you were in elementary school after1059.2731 
808 1059.6864school was out?1060.4608 
809DTA_se3_ag2_m_011061.9211Well most of us came straight home.1063.6537
811 1063.9720[Uh,]1064.4311 
812DTA_int_091064.0026[Mm-hm.]1064.3240
813DTA_se3_ag2_m_011065.4629in elementary school, most kids are1067.6852
815 1068.7568urged by their folks to come straight home and-1071.4599 
817 1071.7506and not1072.2542 
819 1072.8006/terry/ along the way.1073.9357 
821 1074.6374But as it-1075.1914 
823 1075.3659as I1076.0485 
825 1076.4740got, uh,1077.2214 
827 1077.5792more advanced, say sixth and seventh grade, there were-1080.2364 
829 1080.5976were times when I'd go over to a friend's house1082.9334 
831 1083.0589after school.1083.8280 
832DTA_int_091084.0690Is there any particular term that they use1086.1599
834 1086.2701for, um,1086.8578 
836 1087.8989kind of fooling around, messing around after school and running all over the place?1091.5624 
837DTA_se3_ag2_m_011093.2649Just fooling around and [messing] around.1095.1212
838DTA_int_091094.3165[Uh-huh.]1094.5893
839 1095.1212Ever heard of ripping and running?1096.4563
840DTA_se3_ag2_m_011097.7650From the parents, the kids didn't use that expression.1100.2291
841DTA_int_091100.4250Uh-huh.1100.8328
843 1102.7761Did you ever have a teacher that you can recall who hollered a lot?1105.6904 
844DTA_se3_ag2_m_011106.7619Quite a few, [yes.]1108.0292
845DTA_int_091107.9159[<laugh>] About what? (laughing)1108.8985
846DTA_se3_ag2_m_011110.5241Well like I say,1111.9383
848 1112.2842the nuns tended to be overpowering and, uh,1115.2413 
850 1117.2037I guess it's- it's part of their training1119.4299 
852 1119.7017when they're1120.2159 
854 1121.3607going through their period1122.5841 
856 1123.2435of, uh, becoming a nun. But1125.0405 
858 1125.5547when they get through1126.7179 
860 1127.6087most of them feel like1128.8976 
862 1129.8373you owe them1131.1476 
864 1132.3445first respect for being a nun, then for being a teacher.1135.6720 
865DTA_int_091135.9322Mm-hm.1136.3332
866DTA_se3_ag2_m_011136.7405And a lot of- it's hard for a lot of kids to1139.2995
868 1139.8293realize what exactly- what it is that they want1142.9731 
870 1143.1966from you.1143.7553 
872 1143.8731Which is absolute1144.9873 
874 1145.2536obedience.1146.1813 
875DTA_int_091146.1996Mm-hm.1146.5333
876DTA_se3_ag2_m_011147.2771So there were1148.3026
878 1148.3974quite a few times when the nuns would get1150.6720 
880 1151.1648quite upset.1152.0527 
882 1153.1026And1153.5075 
884 1153.6291in my opinion, a- a lot of it was uncalled for.1156.4580 
885DTA_int_091157.3546Yeah. I- are they pretty good teachers, generally? Or how [did they?]1160.5321
886DTA_se3_ag2_m_011160.0026[They're excellent] teachers.1161.3189
887DTA_int_091161.8333Uh-huh.1162.2128
888DTA_se3_ag2_m_011162.4547In my opinion.1163.4923
889DTA_int_091164.0711Yeah.1164.3313
891 1166.3332Can you, uh, recall any1167.7965 
893 1167.9649particular incident when you got1169.3454 
895 1169.5123yelled at?1170.1029 
896DTA_se3_ag2_m_011171.7577There was one time, we-1173.2670
898 1174.4883we had a boy that,1175.6731 
900 1176.1262uh,1176.7169 
902 1177.3291laughed a lot,1178.2597 
904 1178.3576I'll say.1178.9609 
905DTA_int_091179.1904Mm-hm.1179.5170
906DTA_se3_ag2_m_011179.8088And he would get spells where he just couldn't stop laughing.1183.1133
907DTA_int_091183.2894<laugh>1183.7900
908DTA_se3_ag2_m_011184.5291And there was, uh,1185.7060
910 1186.0506one time where we were in reading1187.5811 
912 1187.8537or something,1188.5576 
914 1189.3369and he started laughing and I got blamed for it.1191.8717 
916 1192.0169And1192.3478 
918 1192.4638promptly got hit with the yardstick.1194.4595 
919DTA_int_091194.5486They really hit you, huh?1195.5694
920DTA_se3_ag2_m_011195.6199Yeah.1195.9160
921DTA_int_091195.9160Did- do they ever get in any- any trouble from your-1198.1455
923 1198.8709from the parents, like, you know, what's the deal?1200.7843 
924DTA_se3_ag2_m_011200.9312Occasionally.1201.9077
926 1202.1311Uh,1202.5168 
928 1202.7099I can remember once1203.9985 
930 1204.4546a nun hit an eighth grader with a dictionary on top of the head and-1207.8128 
931DTA_int_091207.9322[<laugh>]1208.3254
932DTA_se3_ag2_m_011207.9597[and]1208.4525
933 1208.5688just about knocked him out.1209.7647
935 1210.5924And she was in trouble, in fact, she wasn't back the next year.1213.6934 
937 1213.8311They must've transferred her or [something.]1215.5884 
938DTA_int_091215.5027[Uh-huh.]1215.8031
939 1216.7730Like, do they have a lot of-1218.1588
941 1218.6833I guess in the public schools you can't do anything like that.1221.3680 
943 1222.3873You know, don't they get in a lot of trouble in public schools?1225.2172 
945 1225.6077I suppose because it's a private school.1227.5030 
946DTA_se3_ag2_m_011227.6771Yeah in a public school it-1229.0638
948 1229.1587the teacher would be more likely to get hit back.1231.6567 
950 1232.7894Uh, this only happens rarely in a Catholic school.1235.5413 
951DTA_int_091235.6823Uh-huh.1236.0553
953 1236.2210Hm.1236.5118 
955 1237.3750Can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had?1239.4812 
957 1239.7169What was she like?1240.3874 
958DTA_se3_ag2_m_011242.3802Uh, I'd say the best teacher I had was Sister1244.8139
960 1245.1965/RD-NAME-4/.1246.1424 
962 1246.2312My- she was my senior nun.1247.9119 
964 1248.9465She's just an excellent teacher, I mean, like she was born to teach or something.1252.9658 
965DTA_int_091253.1632Mm-hm. Any particularly-1254.7016
967 1255.0628particular qualities about her that you1257.0374 
969 1257.3771appreciated?1257.9128 
970DTA_se3_ag2_m_011259.0913She knew her material for one thing, and-1261.3437
972 1261.4944and she didn't have any hesitancy1263.9679 
974 1264.4087about letting you know1265.6945 
976 1265.8047that she knew it.1266.6434 
978 1266.8791And letting you know that she could1268.4586 
980 1269.0618teach it to you if you wanted to learn it.1271.0581 
982 1271.7955And she was the kind of person that would1273.6597 
984 1273.9536go out of her way1274.9907 
986 1275.5914but was still not the kind of the person that you could walk over. You had to respect her1279.7393 
987DTA_int_091279.8036[Mm-hm.]1280.1228
988DTA_se3_ag2_m_011279.9872[for] what she was.1281.0618
989DTA_int_091282.9168Did you ever have a teacher you just couldn't stand?1285.1292
990DTA_se3_ag2_m_011289.0054No, not really.1290.0765
992 1290.6679Not-1291.0444 
994 1291.2036not one that I couldn't stand. I've had some that1293.5516 
996 1294.4485if I could change them, I would've1296.2248 
998 1296.4843quite a bit,1297.2220 
1000 1297.3995but1297.6477 
1002 1298.1127not to the point of not being able to stand 'em.1300.2342 
1003DTA_int_091300.4148Uh-huh.1300.8036
1005 1301.6547Uh, can you recall any1303.2874 
1007 1303.5399particular trick that you pulled on the teacher? Most of us can1306.6474 
1009 1306.8066think of one big trick we pulled on, uh,1308.9158 
1011 1309.9780uh, like on April Fool's Day or something.1312.2556 
1012DTA_se3_ag2_m_011313.3392Uh, nothing1314.3190
1014 1314.6802as specific as that.1316.3454 
1016 1316.4341We used to1317.1445 
1018 1317.3067in- in1318.2529 
1020 1318.4056the eighth grade,1319.3270 
1022 1321.0505we used to bring transistors to school when they first came out.1324.2250 
1024 1324.5525[Remember,] you had to1325.5757 
1025DTA_int_091324.5525[Mm-hm.]1324.8733
1026DTA_se3_ag2_m_011325.9486ground 'em to a radiator or something.1328.2502
1028 1329.1475And we used to have the wires or antennas strung all over the room,1333.0536 
1030 1333.6995and yet keep them down so low that you could just barely hear it if you weren't sitting in a [desk.]1338.9381 
1031DTA_int_091338.5577[<laugh>]1339.3806
1032DTA_se3_ag2_m_011339.8188And the nun would hear it1341.0435
1034 1341.5087but1341.8890 
1036 1342.1485she couldn't tell where it was coming from and1344.2516 
1038 1344.7322it used to drive her insane.1346.3910 
1040 1347.1690She used to get quite upset about that.1349.0715 
1041DTA_int_091349.9241<laugh> What happened when she found out?1351.7338
1042DTA_se3_ag2_m_011352.0913She never did1352.9424
1044 1353.0863catch anyone.1353.8134 
1045DTA_int_091354.1022Mm-hm.1354.4821
1046DTA_se3_ag2_m_011354.7086No.1355.0117
1047DTA_int_091355.7802Uh, can you remember who the smartest kid in your class was?1358.6900
1048DTA_se3_ag2_m_011361.2045For a while it was me.1362.4077
1049DTA_int_091362.7517Uh-huh.1363.1275
1050DTA_se3_ag2_m_011363.4974<laugh>1363.9045
1052 1364.2688No, uh.1365.1047 
1053DTA_int_091365.2700Oh no, it's probably true. I- I don't doubt you were.1368.0832
1054DTA_se3_ag2_m_011370.1525All through grade school1371.4016
1056 1372.5250there was a kid named, uh,1374.4781 
1058 1376.1770/RD-NAME-3/ who was pretty smart.1378.4003 
1059DTA_int_091378.7301But what's it about him that, uh,1380.4506
1061 1381.1668made him so smart to [you?]1382.3576 
1062DTA_se3_ag2_m_011382.2872[Well] I-1382.6178
1063 1382.7526in grade school, there's nothing to being smart but doing your work.1385.7833
1064DTA_int_091386.2547Yeah.1386.5231
1065DTA_se3_ag2_m_011387.0505So he did his work.1388.4127
1067 1388.8659And because he did his work,1390.3995 
1069 1390.9964he was smart.1391.6945 
1071 1391.8506A- [and] the only dumb kids that I can think of were the ones that never did their work.1396.1270 
1072DTA_int_091391.9885[Yeah.]1392.2758
1073 1396.6658Mm-hm.1397.0331
1074DTA_se3_ag2_m_011397.1525And they probably weren't dumb, they just weren't working, so.1399.8213
1076 1400.8598When the work got a little harder though,1402.6361 
1078 1403.5780I can think of, oh, maybe five people.1406.0729 
1080 1406.4678This was in high school though.1407.6128 
1081DTA_int_091407.8883Uh-huh.1408.2403
1083 1409.1066Any particular qualities in these smart kids that1411.8525 
1085 1412.2841stood out?1412.8751 
1086DTA_se3_ag2_m_011413.1842Uh, they- they knew what they were after.1415.1770
1088 1415.5565And, uh, they studied.1416.8206 
1090 1417.9596They come to class and- and be ready.1419.9862 
1091DTA_int_091420.9902Mm-hm.1421.4358
1092DTA_se3_ag2_m_011421.9026It's just, uh,1422.8760
1094 1424.2229the qualities of a student I guess.1425.9208 
1095DTA_int_091426.2464Mm-hm.1426.6780
1097 1427.3025Uh, how about the difference between college and high school?1430.3241 
1099 1430.4159Could you1430.7128 
1101 1431.3159contrast, compare these for me?1433.1892 
1103 1433.9638What do you think the difference is?1435.3280 
1104DTA_se3_ag2_m_011436.2412Well from my own personal experience,1438.3352
1106 1438.4576the- the difference is freedom.1439.9853 
1108 1440.3618Because like I said,1441.6955 
1110 1442.2259going to a parochial school is- is highly1444.8977 
1112 1445.2627confining.1446.1322 
1114 1446.4658[It's, uh,]1447.1974 
1115DTA_int_091446.5148[Mm-hm.]1446.8921
1116DTA_se3_ag2_m_011447.8279very restricted, they-1449.3832
1118 1449.5148they wanna be in on your social life as well as your academic life, and1453.6474 
1120 1454.6606everything is well ordered and1456.6137 
1122 1457.1647there are penalties that you face1459.3780 
1123DTA_int_091459.7205[Mm-hm.]1460.1046
1124DTA_se3_ag2_m_011459.8051[for the] slightest little infraction. Whereas in college you're1462.7576
1125 1463.3698really only responsible to yourself.1465.5191
1127 1465.7882And if you should happen to stray then1468.1913 
1129 1469.0790it's your fault.1469.9332 
1130DTA_int_091470.3648Mm-hm. [How about the] studies as such?1472.4838
1131DTA_se3_ag2_m_011470.8144[Cause.]1471.2077
1132DTA_int_091476.6311[/inaudible/.]1476.9315
1133DTA_se3_ag2_m_011476.8117[Well.]1477.2326
1134 1479.7474College has more depth-1481.0221
1136 1481.3545depth to it, but I-1482.7302 
1138 1484.1341I would think that, in as far as in having to study, it's the same difference.1488.8419 
1139DTA_int_091489.0015Mm-hm.1489.3474
1141 1489.5402Good.1489.7971 
1143 1490.2631What time, um,1491.4836 
1145 1491.8668when you were in elementary school did you get out of school?1494.0451 
1146DTA_se3_ag2_m_011495.6657<ts> Three in the afternoon.1497.0863
1147DTA_int_091497.3924Okay, say you got out fifteen minutes early, what time would you get out?1500.6170
1148DTA_se3_ag2_m_011502.0116Quarter to three.1502.7315
1149DTA_int_091502.9914Mm-hm. That's what I'm after, I guess some people say quarter 'til,1506.1565
1151 1506.3342some people say quart of,1507.5280 
1153 1507.6321some say quarter to.1508.6900 
1155 1510.4300Uh, is there a bunch of guys that you associate with in college now, and you go around with?1515.1283 
1156DTA_se3_ag2_m_011516.5157Well I'm in a fraternity.1517.7526
1157DTA_int_091518.0709[Uh-huh.]1518.3409
1158DTA_se3_ag2_m_011518.1842[And,] uh1518.7719
1159 1519.6719I would1520.1043
1161 1521.7107be around with those fellas if I was around with anyone at all.1524.7627 
1162DTA_int_091525.2892[Mm-hm.]1525.5923
1163DTA_se3_ag2_m_011525.3596[But not] exclusively,1526.7325
1164 1526.8842I mean this is, uh,1528.1637
1166 1529.5259be the most frequent bunch of people.1531.3515 
1167DTA_int_091531.7392Uh-huh. How do you get into the fraternity?1533.7898
1168DTA_se3_ag2_m_011534.9351Oh you have to go through rush and1537.0137
1170 1537.5647initiation and hell week and all1540.4484 
1172 1541.1432other sorts of things like that.1542.8270 
1174 1544.0667Mainly, uh, they're all1545.3757 
1176 1545.7107adjustment periods to living with a group and1548.4964 
1178 1549.0658this give and take factor,1550.4863 
1180 1550.6148so on, and so forth.1551.7831 
1181DTA_int_091551.9372Uh-huh.1552.3203
1183 1552.7513Do they have to ask you to join the fraternity or do you ask them or what?1556.0667 
1184DTA_se3_ag2_m_011556.6728Well at /RD-SCHOOL-2/1557.6893
1186 1558.3168uh, the freshmen men that want to1560.4505 
1188 1561.1025be considered,1562.1187 
1190 1562.5320have to sign bid cards.1564.2488 
1191DTA_int_091564.6106[Mm-hm.]1564.9705
1192DTA_se3_ag2_m_011564.6994[And]1565.1710
1193 1566.2730then the fraternities will- all the fraternities get these cards and if they feel that they want you, they'll1572.2461
1195 1572.9739send you a-1573.8258 
1197 1574.7526an invitation to a smoke or a something1576.9932 
1198DTA_int_091576.9932Mm-hm.1577.3198
1199DTA_se3_ag2_m_011577.3789where they'll tell you more about the organization.1579.4729
1201 1580.0728But1580.4340 
1203 1580.6883t- uh,1581.0495 
1205 1581.1628it's-1581.6892 
1207 1582.1576it's just, uh, a front really, because1584.7321 
1209 1585.2280all the fraternities will send you something1587.4768 
1211 1587.6862anyway1588.3443 
1213 1588.5188just so they can look you over.1589.8903 
1214DTA_int_091590.1383Mm-hm.1590.5620
1215DTA_se3_ag2_m_011590.6709And after this, there are very few people who just get excluded.1594.9902
1217 1595.7097And1596.1566 
1219 1596.4382you find that1597.0964 
1221 1597.5218it's up to the person themself if they go to the1600.1698 
1223 1600.2647smoke or to the house or whatever.1602.2362 
1225 1602.6586And they find that they like the group of guys there,1605.0720 
1227 1605.5760usually the guys will like them too and1607.6332 
1229 1607.7342there's no problem.1608.6647 
1230DTA_int_091609.5861Mm-hm.1609.9687
1232 1611.3648How about, uh,1612.2647 
1234 1612.4606people you associate with. Do they speak any other languages?1615.4331 
1236 1615.7364Like Spanish or anything?1617.1111 
1237DTA_se3_ag2_m_011620.7198Well are you- are you talking about i-1622.5689
1239 1622.6760uh, the- uh, native languages1624.2710 
1241 1624.4514or do they- [have they acquired] these in school?1627.0933 
1242DTA_int_091625.4764[/Uh, both/.]1625.9988
1243 1627.1392Both.1627.4147
1244DTA_se3_ag2_m_011627.4943Both?1627.8673
1246 1628.6332Well quite a few of them have taken French, German, Spanish, Latin.1632.4964 
1248 1632.7443[Something like this.]1633.6035 
1249DTA_int_091632.9861[Mm-hm.]1633.4422
1250DTA_se3_ag2_m_011634.1340Nobody that- that has a1635.9464
1252 1637.1279s-1637.2901 
1254 1637.4983any foreign language at home. In their1639.6185 
1256 1640.5473home background. Which is- which is spoken in the home, that's what I'm trying [to say.]1644.1995 
1257DTA_int_091643.8015[Uh-huh.]1644.1600
1258 1646.2167How about, uh,1647.0954
1260 1647.4137are there any white fellas in this group?1649.1310 
1261DTA_se3_ag2_m_011650.4137<ts>1650.6066
1263 1650.8515Well there was one,1652.0212 
1265 1652.6944uh, first year of college.1654.2555 
1266DTA_int_091654.3841Uh-huh.1654.7411
1267DTA_se3_ag2_m_011654.9014But he-1655.4707
1269 1656.9800well he was1657.6840 
1271 1657.8738accident prone.1659.0280 
1273 1659.2239And he was- he a- he left school1661.4707 
1274DTA_int_091661.9117[Mm-hm.]1662.3494
1275DTA_se3_ag2_m_011662.2821[about] mid way through second semester.1664.2094
1276DTA_int_091665.8025Which do you prefer to be called, Negro or colored? Is there any preferences to use.1669.9858
1277DTA_se3_ag2_m_011673.8995<ts> It all depends on the tone of voice.1675.8238
1278DTA_int_091676.1187Uh-huh.1676.4815
1279DTA_se3_ag2_m_011677.1321[/Although/] t- they're both equally1678.9565
1280DTA_int_091677.1321[/Uh/.]1677.4209
1281DTA_se3_ag2_m_011679.3605acceptable as long as they're-1681.0657
1283 1681.1943they're said1681.9534 
1285 1682.4432to m- mean just, uh,1683.7412 
1287 1684.4973spoken to mean just what they say.1686.0284 
1288DTA_int_091686.2576Mm-hm.1686.5821
1290 1686.8698I know some people prefer Negro, others1689.1841 
1292 1689.7076who likes colored.1690.5728 
1294 1691.8780Uh,1692.2484 
1296 1693.3688good. Uh, how about in the group of guys that you associate with, is there any one fella who seems to be the leader?1698.9647 
1298 1699.9963That, uh,1700.4868 
1300 1700.7219the other guys listen to?1701.9773 
1301DTA_se3_ag2_m_011706.1279Mm, <ts> well as far as the fraternity is concerned, you- I'd say no.1709.9209
1303 1710.4474We have a pretty democratic group1712.2564 
1304DTA_int_091712.4095Uh-huh.1712.7311
1305DTA_se3_ag2_m_011712.7311up there anyway, and everybody's word-1714.9791
1306 1715.9209well not everybody, but, uh, the majority of people1719.0617
1308 1719.4351are listened to1720.4495 
1310 1720.7177just as well as the fella sitting next to him.1722.7104 
1311DTA_int_091722.8851Mm-hm.1723.3074
1313 1724.1340How about in your-1725.0700 
1315 1725.3617say your, uh,1726.1514 
1317 1726.2983association of close friends. In your-1728.3770 
1318DTA_se3_ag2_m_011730.4406Well1730.8995
1320 1731.7780two or three years ago perhaps.1733.7770 
1322 1734.7014There were a couple of fellas who1736.4278 
1324 1737.3770might've had a certain amount of charisma, but1739.6238 
1326 1740.1651now1740.6599 
1328 1741.4973everyone's either in the service or1743.5270 
1330 1743.9348at some other school and, uh,1745.7893 
1331DTA_int_091746.3800Mm-hm.1746.7240
1332DTA_se3_ag2_m_011747.1453there's not as much cohesion as there was. People have learned to rely on1751.1738
1334 1751.3421what they think rather than what1752.9494 
1336 1753.7789the so-called leader would think, [so,] uh.1756.1853 
1337DTA_int_091755.6764[Yeah.]1755.9173
1338DTA_se3_ag2_m_011757.1646I would say no.1757.9628
1339DTA_int_091758.9035Uh,1759.3940
1341 1760.0483what would you like to do when you finish your study-1762.2861 
1343 1763.0393say, finish college?1764.2641 
1344DTA_se3_ag2_m_011765.9809I haven't decided what I'd like to do with it1768.1055
1346 1768.4667yet.1768.9075 
1348 1769.0391Uh,1769.4982 
1350 1770.6678opportunities are opening up.1772.3238 
1352 1772.5564I probably won't decide until I'm really out there.1775.0544 
1353DTA_int_091775.2136Uh-huh. What are some of the possibilities that you can think of?1778.0115
1354DTA_se3_ag2_m_011778.3360Oh teaching, social work,1779.9769
1356 1780.2953or1780.7238 
1358 1781.3727some sort of clinical sociologist.1783.7758 
1359DTA_int_091784.1217Mm-hm.1784.5166
1361 1785.0464Would you have to go into, uh,1786.3228 
1363 1786.5952graduate school for this?1787.8994 
1364DTA_se3_ag2_m_011787.9423Yeah,1788.2790
1366 1788.5392for-1788.9371 
1368 1789.6075for clinical sociology I would. Uh, for social work, no.1793.2545 
1369DTA_int_091793.6056Mm-hm.1793.9945
1371 1795.4575Good.1795.7207 
1373 1796.6331Uh, say if you had all the money in the world. That is,1799.2962 
1375 1799.4248enough money to do what you wanted to do.1801.9615 
1377 1802.0544/??/1802.5015 
1379 1802.9184That money would be no hindrance, what would you like to do?1805.3574 
1380DTA_se3_ag2_m_011809.6341<ts>1809.7749
1382 1811.4186I don't know. I1812.4688 
1384 1813.1636haven't thought about that, really.1815.0111 
1385DTA_int_091815.4780Kind of a remote possibility, yeah?1817.4248
1386DTA_se3_ag2_m_011818.3096I'd probably, uh,1819.4177
1388 1820.2166well first thing I'd do would be1821.6035 
1390 1822.2340to give my parents1823.4217 
1392 1823.5319enough so they wouldn't have to worry about [anything.]1825.8677 
1393DTA_int_091825.4667[Mm-hm.]1825.8324
1394DTA_se3_ag2_m_011826.5901Then I'd probably get married.1828.1300
1395DTA_int_091828.8370Get married? Huh.1829.6668
1397 1830.8238Do [you have] prospects now?1832.1546 
1398DTA_se3_ag2_m_011831.0247[But-]1831.2613
1399 1833.2576Yeah.1833.6647
1400DTA_int_091834.9503Pretty serious?1835.6882
1401DTA_se3_ag2_m_011836.7596I like to think so.1837.8983
1402DTA_int_091838.1095<laugh>1838.6574
1404 1838.8535Good.1839.1815 
1406 1840.2401You're like twenty years old now are you?1841.8872 
1407DTA_se3_ag2_m_011842.2147Twenty, [yes.]1842.9737
1408DTA_int_091842.6922[Ah, you're] young /?/.1843.7400
1409DTA_se3_ag2_m_011845.8575Yeah, but it only last for a minute.1847.7402
1411 1847.8321I-1848.1290 
1413 1849.2310sometimes I think I'm still eighteen or1851.3861 
1415 1851.8453seventeen or something like that. Doesn't seem like it was that long ago.1855.4177 
1416DTA_int_091855.8493Yeah, I know. I'm twenty-five, sometimes it seems like I'm [sixteen.]1859.3018
1417DTA_se3_ag2_m_011858.9197[<laugh>]1859.3986
1418DTA_int_091859.5780[<laugh>]1860.0830
1420 1861.3381Uh, describe what you are doing for the summer no that school's out.1864.6958 
1421DTA_se3_ag2_m_011865.3727I's working down at /RD-WORK-7/ now.1867.8891
1422DTA_int_091868.0635Uh-huh. Describe what you do in a-1869.7289
1424 1869.9728in a full day's work.1871.0880 
1425DTA_se3_ag2_m_011872.2514Well it's a,1873.1483
1427 1874.1248<ts> file clerking job.1875.7014 
1429 1875.8208What we're doing now is1877.0727 
1431 1878.0218we're refiling1879.4820 
1433 1880.2809the folders with the records of the men that1882.7683 
1435 1883.2371have been discharged from the service. And, oh I couldn't say how many years1887.3209 
1437 1887.5124past, but1888.1684 
1439 1889.2625what we have to do is break them down into,1891.5493 
1441 1894.2646oh,1894.8768 
1443 1896.5698a hundred- say,1897.6408 
1445 1898.4462from unit of a thousand, we have to make ten hundreds and files them according to [this,]1903.3595 
1446DTA_int_091903.2003[Mm-hm.]1903.5615
1447DTA_se3_ag2_m_011903.7329instead of the old method.1905.0660
1449 1905.8453And, uh,1906.6130 
1451 1907.6023it requires taking all the folders out of the file cabinets1911.2884 
1453 1912.4391then refiling them according to digits of1914.9952 
1455 1915.1054O-O1915.8921 
1457 1916.4462to O-nine.1917.6507 
1459 1918.0565And so on, up to ninety-nine- ninety to ninety-nine.1920.9769 
1461 1921.5462And then refiling them.1922.6115 
1463 1923.3341And then sequence checking to make sure that1925.4798 
1465 1925.6882everything is in the right place.1927.3962 
1467 1927.7972And then labeling.1928.6825 
1468DTA_int_091929.1688Mm-hm.1929.5606
1470 1930.0932Is it boring?1930.6258 
1471DTA_se3_ag2_m_011931.1982Quite.1931.5533
1472DTA_int_091931.9116[<laugh>] I could imagine. (laughing)1933.5583
1474 1935.2269Uh, what do they call this part of town here? This particular neighborhood?1938.7796 
1476 1939.8431Mm-hm.1940.2196 
1477DTA_se3_ag2_m_011940.3666Just the West Side.1941.4013
1478DTA_int_091941.6065Uh-huh.1941.9620
1480 1942.9044And then what are the boundaries for the West Side?1944.9646 
1481DTA_se3_ag2_m_011947.5606Well it-1948.2095
1483 1949.8871<ts>1950.0647 
1485 1950.6738I'd say Woodward Avenue,1952.4951 
1487 1954.4421after you cross Wood- or1956.0095 
1489 1956.3861before you cross Woodward.1957.8033 
1491 1960.0687And, uh,1961.3329 
1493 1964.8443hm.1965.2085 
1495 1966.4360I guess before you cross Puritan.1968.8299 
1496DTA_int_091969.8646Mm-hm.1970.3176
1497DTA_se3_ag2_m_011972.9931It's hard to say, boundaries in Detroit fluctuate so much, [see.]1976.5043
1498DTA_int_091976.1064[Mm-hm.]1976.5043
1499DTA_se3_ag2_m_011977.1657Two sections of town, they call it East Side1979.5457
1501 1979.8596that1980.1381 
1503 1980.2545really1980.8605 
1505 1981.6258aren't parallel to each other or anything else.1983.5881 
1506DTA_int_091983.7442Mm-hm.1984.1330
1508 1985.0298Uh, what are some of the streets of Detroit? Some of the big ones. Any that you can think of?1989.3009 
1509DTA_se3_ag2_m_011990.2768Uh, Woodward, Michigan Avenue,1991.9759
1510DTA_int_091992.1045[Mm-hm.]1992.4259
1511DTA_se3_ag2_m_011992.3371[Grand] River,1993.0779
1512 1994.6576[uh,]1995.0751
1513DTA_int_091994.7984[How about] the one that goes to East Detroit?1996.6901
1514 1996.8615What's that?1997.3230
1516 1998.1657Begins with G-R.1999.2263 
1518 2000.7341[Gra-]2000.9939 
1519DTA_se3_ag2_m_012000.8932[Gratiot.]2001.3896
1520DTA_int_092001.7595Uh-huh.2002.1281
1522 2002.6472And, uh, how about the one that goes by the University of Detroit?2005.5912 
1523DTA_se3_ag2_m_012006.2870It's Livernois.2007.1412
1524DTA_int_092007.4779Uh-huh.2007.8881
1526 2009.1064Uh,2009.3951 
1528 2009.7126any down by, uh, Cobo Hall you can think of?2012.3906 
1529DTA_se3_ag2_m_012013.5299Larned, Jefferson,2014.8462
1531 2016.8085s- uh,2018.1951 
1533 2018.6882<ts>2018.8626 
1535 2019.5299Washington Boulevard leads up there.2021.5123 
1536DTA_int_092021.5290Uh-huh.2021.8902
1538 2022.4748How about these, uh, big streets that-2024.3818 
1540 2025.1657well, they're about three or four lanes and you can go fifty-five, sixty, no traffic lights [and.]2030.3367 
1541DTA_se3_ag2_m_012029.9043[Expressways.]2030.8443
1542DTA_int_092030.8259[Anything] else you can call them?2032.0667
1543DTA_se3_ag2_m_012032.7788Throughways, freeways.2034.5218
1544DTA_int_092034.7381Mm-hm.2035.0748
1546 2035.7482And, uh, what are some of the expressways you can think of?2037.9462 
1547DTA_se3_ag2_m_012038.4054S- there's the John Lodge,2040.6064
1549 2041.0105Edsel Ford,2042.0023 
1551 2042.9636and Southfield Expressway.2044.9359 
1552DTA_int_092046.7411Mm-hm.2047.0967
1553DTA_se3_ag2_m_012047.4421And s- Davidson Expressway.2049.3401
1554DTA_int_092050.6074Good.2050.8186
1556 2051.6053Where were you born?2052.3251 
1557DTA_se3_ag2_m_012052.9947Here in Detroit.2053.6992
1558DTA_int_092053.8951In Detroit. Where else have you lived in Detroit? Any place else?2056.7145
1559DTA_se3_ag2_m_012057.7738Uh, we used to live on the East Side.2059.5431
1560DTA_int_092060.6790Uh, don't you live on the East Side now? (laughing)2062.6918
1561DTA_se3_ag2_m_012062.8094No this is the West Side.2063.9574
1562DTA_int_092064.0983Oh, I see.2064.8360
1564 2064.9738Okay.2065.4411 
1566 2066.4155Uh,2066.7647 
1568 2067.3156have you lived any place outside of Detroit?2069.2473 
1569DTA_se3_ag2_m_012069.5994No I haven't.2070.3511
1570DTA_int_092070.6952How about trips? Where have you gone on trips?2072.6152
1571DTA_se3_ag2_m_012073.4871Well we've been to Buffalo, Rochester, New York, <sigh> Cleveland.2077.8033
1573 2082.3799And, uh,2083.3166 
1575 2083.7727by myself, I've been2085.4317 
1577 2085.5391to2085.9064 
1579 2086.8615college campuses, if you could call those trips.2089.7053 
1580DTA_int_092089.7038[Uh-huh.]2090.0665
1581DTA_se3_ag2_m_012089.9410[I've] been every2090.7983
1582 2090.9177major college in Michigan.2092.4635
1584 2092.8523[Except] Northern [Michigan.]2094.2896 
1585DTA_int_092092.9808[Mm-hm.]2093.2566
1587 2094.1442[Which] college do you like the best?2095.9104 
1588DTA_se3_ag2_m_012096.9299I prefer Michigan State2098.3135
1590 2098.6104to all of 'em.2099.3359 
1591DTA_int_092099.4647Is that right.2100.0861
1592DTA_se3_ag2_m_012100.4932Yeah, as far as- as visiting. I don't2103.1656
1594 2103.7197really think that I'd enjoy going there.2105.8458 
1595DTA_int_092106.0554Uh-huh.2106.4411
1596DTA_se3_ag2_m_012106.5513To be going,2107.6137
1598 2109.1932uh,2109.7074 
1600 2112.5054<ts>2112.5758 
1602 2112.6799I don't know.2113.2339 
1604 2114.7096Wayne maybe, or-2115.7350 
1606 2115.8452no not Wayne.2116.7638 
1608 2116.9165I didn't mean to say that.2118.1066 
1610 2118.6554Michigan2119.2829 
1612 2119.8523probably2120.4736 
1614 2120.9076[I'd enjoy] more.2121.8452 
1615DTA_int_092120.9076[Hm.]2121.2428
1616DTA_se3_ag2_m_012123.0941And [/?/.]2123.7800
1617DTA_int_092123.3177[Is, uh,]2123.9331
1618 2124.5544Wayne a pretty good school when you stay here?2126.5473
1619DTA_se3_ag2_m_012127.8176Yeah, it's a good school.2128.8088
1620DTA_int_092129.8381Mm-hm.2130.1473
1622 2131.4145Uh, how about2132.0426 
1624 2132.2379some of the special holidays, the special occasions around here. Any that you2136.0309 
1626 2136.2544celebrate?2136.9104 
1627DTA_se3_ag2_m_012139.6010Well not extensively except Christmas and- and that's just for my little brother's benefit.2144.6024
1628DTA_int_092144.6024Uh-huh. What do you do on Christmas though?2146.6410
1629DTA_se3_ag2_m_012147.5318Well there's the usual routine of getting a tree2149.8522
1631 2150.6942and setting it up and2152.3013 
1633 2153.7769waiting for Santa Claus and all that sort of thing.2156.3267 
1634DTA_int_092156.5900Mm-hm.2156.9452
1636 2159.0084And, uh,2159.6730 
1638 2161.5523how about any special foods that you cook for2163.7237 
1640 2163.8972Christmas?2164.4429 
1641DTA_se3_ag2_m_012166.9003<ts> Ham or turkey I guess. Uh,2168.6695
1642DTA_int_092168.7708Uh-huh.2169.1089
1643DTA_se3_ag2_m_012169.1687big lavish dinner with2170.5492
1645 2171.1767everything under the sun.2172.5360 
1646DTA_int_092175.4044Good.2175.6293
1648 2176.3104How about that holiday around, um,2178.2054 
1650 2179.9961let's see, October thirty first I guess it is.2182.6563 
1651DTA_se3_ag2_m_012184.0738Labor Day?2184.7227
1652DTA_int_092185.4727This is October.2186.4859
1654 2187.1044October thirty first.2188.2890 
1656 2189.0081We have ladies who ride on brooms.2191.0363 
1657DTA_se3_ag2_m_012192.5165Oh, Halloween?2193.4656
1658DTA_int_092193.6921Yeah.2194.1173
1659DTA_se3_ag2_m_012194.5369[<laugh>]2195.4736
1660DTA_int_092194.5369[<laugh> Well what happens] on Halloween?2196.3615
1661DTA_se3_ag2_m_012196.8237<laugh>2197.4246
1663 2197.7849Oh,2198.2740 
1665 2198.9177nothing much anymore.2200.3563 
1666DTA_int_092200.5461[It's all for your little brother?]2202.0441
1667DTA_se3_ag2_m_012200.6885[<laugh>]2201.3079
1669 2201.6024[A lot of] little kids come around2203.6457 
1670 2204.7187supposedly disguised and knock on your door. And2207.7524
1672 2208.4901you hand 'em candy or cookies or2210.6297 
1674 2211.1319[give 'em a penny.]2212.1144 
1675DTA_int_092211.1319[What do they say when they knock] on the door?2212.6978
1676DTA_se3_ag2_m_012213.1124Trick or treat.2213.8830
1677DTA_int_092214.0717Anything else they would say?2215.2186
1678DTA_se3_ag2_m_012216.0634Some of 'em don't even say that.2217.4442
1679DTA_int_092217.7717[<laugh>]2218.4757
1680DTA_se3_ag2_m_012217.9829[<laugh>]2218.2553
1681 2219.7714They might say hello, uh,2221.4114
1683 2221.8622you know.2222.2655 
1685 2222.8809Hi /RD-NAME-2/ or something like that if they happen to know me.2225.8136 
1686DTA_int_092226.6952Mm-hm.2227.0841
1688 2227.3319How about those things you carve out?2229.0799 
1690 2229.1840Carve faces in 'em, put candles in 'em. What do you call that?2232.0023 
1691DTA_se3_ag2_m_012233.7298Pumpkins.2234.5318
1692DTA_int_092234.6726Mm-hm. Anything else you can call them?2236.0521
1693DTA_se3_ag2_m_012237.0267You can call them jack-o-lanterns, but nobody around here does.2240.0542
1694DTA_int_092240.2961Mm-hm.2240.7218
1696 2241.5880How about the ladies that ride on the brooms?2243.7902 
1697DTA_se3_ag2_m_012244.6033Witches.2245.3778
1698DTA_int_092245.5890Uh-huh.2245.9039
1700 2246.0236Can you tell me about your little brother's costume last year?2248.6777 
1702 2248.8400Uh, didn't he even have a costume last year?2251.1298 
1703DTA_se3_ag2_m_012252.0879I don't even think he had-2253.0432
1705 2253.4411yeah, he must've had one but I can't- I can't2255.8531 
1707 2256.0493even remember what it was.2257.6288 
1708DTA_int_092257.7696How about the night before Halloween, any special name you call that?2261.1614
1710 2261.9085Like when you ring doorbells, turn over2263.8645 
1712 2264.1155garbage cans.2265.0125 
1713DTA_se3_ag2_m_012265.1074What is that, All Saints' Night?2266.5216
1714DTA_int_092267.2195Uh-huh.2267.5548
1716 2267.8197[I- uh,] is that Halloween, or?2269.1574 
1717DTA_se3_ag2_m_012267.8840[/?/]2268.1960
1718DTA_int_092269.5828This is kind of when they do mischief and stuff.2271.7655
1719DTA_se3_ag2_m_012271.7747I guess that's the night.2272.8706
1720DTA_int_092273.3083Uh-huh.2273.6769
1722 2276.3236Uh,2276.7309 
1724 2277.6860how about the kids in the neighborhoods, do they ever have fights?2280.4594 
1726 2281.5675What kinds of things would fights start about?2283.5586 
1727DTA_se3_ag2_m_012285.9452Well2286.3952
1729 2286.9461right now around here, fights will start about anything.2289.9339 
1730DTA_int_092290.2009Mm-hm.2290.5492
1731DTA_se3_ag2_m_012291.1124Any little provocation could lead to a-2293.6477
1733 2294.2348a full-blown fight2295.6440 
1735 2296.3961in a matter of minutes, so there's nothing specific that I could2300.0236 
1737 2300.6419tell you a fight would start about.2302.4589 
1738DTA_int_092302.7389Uh-huh. Are there any rules for a fair fight?2304.8824
1739DTA_se3_ag2_m_012305.2828No.2305.6716
1740DTA_int_092306.5440Hm, anything goes.2307.6492
1741DTA_se3_ag2_m_012307.6645Just win.2308.3698
1742DTA_int_092308.8185<laugh>2309.2134
1744 2310.0003Uh, how about if you're in a fight and you don't wanna fight2312.4064 
1746 2312.5289anymore, like you're losing. Is there anything you can say, like you could say, I wa- I don't wanna fight anymore?2316.9890 
1747DTA_se3_ag2_m_012318.3419Uh,2318.9021
1749 2320.3196maybe if it's just a2321.9740 
1751 2323.4910one on one fight.2324.6725 
1753 2325.3064You might be able- if you're losing, to-2327.5411 
1755 2327.7891losing badly, I might add,2329.4542 
1756DTA_int_092329.7910[Mm-hm.]2330.0507
1757DTA_se3_ag2_m_012329.9807[to] say that you don't wanna fight anymore and-2332.2308
1758 2332.4573and, uh,2333.0879
1760 2333.2195be able to walk away.2334.4380 
1762 2335.1145But usually the2336.3542 
1764 2336.5256odds are2337.3094 
1766 2337.6614against you when you're losing2339.5195 
1768 2339.8197or2340.1717 
1770 2340.2727the odds are stacked one way or the other.2341.9286 
1771DTA_int_092342.3144Uh-huh.2342.6695
1772DTA_se3_ag2_m_012342.8380Usually anyway, so there's no way you can really beg out of a fight around here anymore.2347.5246
1774 2348.1981You just fight until2349.3951 
1776 2350.6563worst comes to worst or you can get away.2353.1849 
1777DTA_int_092354.0083How about,2354.4233
1779 2354.6666uh,2354.9758 
1781 2355.4900fights ever started with the dozens. Have you ever heard of that?2357.9941 
1783 2358.1288The dozens?2358.7746 
1784DTA_se3_ag2_m_012358.8665No.2359.1879
1785DTA_int_092360.8839Uh,2361.5267
1787 2362.8154how about2363.2697 
1789 2363.6421there's nothing you can say if you were just wrestling,2365.6501 
1791 2365.7971say in fun2366.6788 
1793 2366.9390or in jest?2367.7135 
1795 2368.2374And you didn't wanna fight anymore.2369.6176 
1797 2370.7992Okay, now do you still wanna fight? Do you?2372.8778 
1798DTA_se3_ag2_m_012374.6930Well if you're-2375.3511
1800 2375.5286no.2376.0737 
1802 2376.3400You can say I quit.2377.2906 
1803DTA_int_092377.4971Uh-huh.2377.8124
1804DTA_se3_ag2_m_012378.2809But, uh,2378.9035
1806 2379.4992we didn't use that2380.3838 
1808 2380.8124for instance, uh,2381.9574 
1810 2382.3278holler uncle.2383.1849 
1812 2383.3104We never used [that either.]2384.6711 
1813DTA_int_092384.1799[Uh-huh.]2384.6022
1814 2384.9084How about, I give?2385.7135
1815DTA_se3_ag2_m_012386.5920Yeah.2386.9930
1817 2387.4062I had forgotten about that, [I give.]2389.2308 
1818DTA_int_092388.6042[Mm-hm.]2388.9438
1819 2389.3348<laugh>2390.1338
1821 2390.4738Okay, good.2391.1962 
1823 2391.7777Did you ever see anybody get beat up real badly?2394.1013 
1824DTA_se3_ag2_m_012395.4512Yes I have.2396.3603
1825DTA_int_092396.8839What happened to 'em?2397.8161
1826DTA_se3_ag2_m_012398.7940Well it's whatever the fight started about, the-2401.9103
1828 2403.0094the person- the people involved were-2405.2317 
1830 2405.5409had gotten to the point where they were2407.2461 
1832 2408.1276just fighting, I mean, there wasn't any reason behind it anymore.2411.4950 
1833DTA_int_092411.8380Mm-hm.2412.2084
1834DTA_se3_ag2_m_012412.2972And, uh,2412.9032
1836 2413.9899the loser was just2415.3737 
1838 2415.6277taking a beating, getting kicked, and s- sliced, and2419.0563 
1840 2421.5941beaten, so on and so forth.2423.2761 
1841DTA_int_092423.6941Uh-huh.2424.0064
1843 2424.1104Good.2424.3818 
1845 2425.3593Uh,2425.7664 
1847 2426.1338did you ever get into a fight with a guy bigger than you? You're pretty big yourself.2429.6388 
1848DTA_se3_ag2_m_012430.5941Well I-2431.1665
1850 2432.2746yeah, I've been in a couple of fights.2433.9812 
1851DTA_int_092434.1603What happened?2435.0572
1852DTA_se3_ag2_m_012436.1900Well nothing really,2437.2369
1854 2437.4940uh,2437.9011 
1856 2438.8502the only2439.4288 
1858 2439.5328time that I can think of right now that-2441.4245 
1860 2441.6174that I actually fought in a situation like that2444.0497 
1862 2444.6419was when a fella tried to take my hat2446.6098 
1864 2446.9225in grade school. He2448.0553 
1865DTA_int_092448.4012Mm-hm.2448.7655
1866DTA_se3_ag2_m_012448.8175grabbed my hat and wasn't gonna give it back.2450.7094
1868 2450.9097And we had a fight2451.9308 
1870 2453.0266that I guess you could call a draw,2455.0532 
1872 2455.6134because I was2456.6021 
1874 2457.0859trying to stay away from him more than I was trying to fight him.2460.2003 
1876 2461.0012But I wasn't running and- and at-2462.9972 
1878 2463.3308at this time I guess2464.8827 
1880 2465.4674it had made him and his friends see that I wasn't afraid, but I just really didn't wanna fight, so I never had any more trouble out of him.2471.8533 
1881DTA_int_092471.9512Mm-hm.2472.3461
1883 2473.3379Uh, do the guys around here ever fight2475.1992 
1885 2475.7991uh,2476.1267 
1887 2476.2767in gangs or usually one against one?2478.5175 
1888DTA_se3_ag2_m_012478.9889Most of the time it's gangs.2480.4888
1889DTA_int_092480.8625Uh-huh.2481.2267
1891 2481.4288Any rules for a gang fights?2483.0193 
1892DTA_se3_ag2_m_012483.3572Nah.2483.7859
1893DTA_int_092484.6032Uh-huh.2484.9950
1895 2485.2705Any names of gangs around here?2487.2206 
1896DTA_se3_ag2_m_012488.3960Uh, no not-2489.5500
1898 2489.8625not names that they give themselves, uh,2492.7431 
1900 2493.9950they have names as to the location.2496.0021 
1901DTA_int_092496.3400Uh-huh.2496.6970
1903 2498.5502How big are these gangs?2499.7493 
1904DTA_se3_ag2_m_012500.4174<ts>2500.6287
1906 2501.9237Oh anywhere from ten to f-2503.5123 
1908 2503.8552seventy, I guess.2505.1453 
1909DTA_int_092505.4379Mm-hm.2505.8359
1911 2506.8735Have you ever been in the hospital?2508.1532 
1912DTA_se3_ag2_m_012509.0042No I haven't.2509.5399
1913DTA_int_092510.3908Uh, what's the worst illness you ever had?2512.4284
1914DTA_se3_ag2_m_012514.5451Three day flu.2515.3226
1915DTA_int_092516.9175<laugh> It sound like you got off pretty lucky.2519.5347
1917 2520.0706What's a three day flu like?2521.5062 
1918DTA_se3_ag2_m_012523.1594Well I2523.9460
1920 2525.3113can't-2525.6298 
1922 2525.7614it's uh, you're dizzy2527.2124 
1924 2527.3409you're stomach hurts, and y- you don't wanna get up and you can't move.2531.6480 
1926 2532.2451Your eyes hurt.2533.0839 
1928 2534.2562And you're just in general bad shape.2536.1079 
1930 2537.3266Feel terrible.2538.3124 
1932 2538.5634Head is stopped up.2539.5399 
1933DTA_int_092539.8399Uh-huh.2540.1551
1935 2541.6522Uh, when a person starts to sneeze or cough you might say, uh, get away from me I don't wanna2546.0419 
1937 2546.2531what2546.6329 
1939 2546.7829a cold?2547.0706 
1940DTA_se3_ag2_m_012548.5613Catch a cold.2549.2745
1941DTA_int_092549.4429Uh-huh.2549.7278
1943 2549.8777Good.2550.1226 
1945 2550.7716Have you ever been in an automobile accident?2552.6696 
1946DTA_se3_ag2_m_012554.7756Yes, once.2556.0643
1948 2556.2144Or,2556.6426 
1949DTA_int_092556.7960What [happened?]2557.2842
1950DTA_se3_ag2_m_012557.1297[yeah once.]2557.8031
1951DTA_int_092557.6439[Really?]2557.9415
1952DTA_se3_ag2_m_012559.3828Well we were coming back from skating one night,2561.6788
1953DTA_int_092562.2451Mm-hm.2562.6552
1954DTA_se3_ag2_m_012562.8083in Belleville is about thirty miles from Detroit.2565.5634
1956 2566.1848And, uh,2567.0235 
1958 2567.1980the fellow behind us- the people behind us,2569.3531 
1960 2570.5041either had some2571.6027 
1962 2573.4429uh, complaint or2574.6858 
1964 2574.9981they were mad about something or had been drinking or something, but2578.2964 
1966 2579.0143they were driving pretty recklessly.2581.0127 
1968 2581.3164And there's a-2582.1191 
1970 2582.4918a ninety degree2583.5450 
1972 2583.9583turn2584.4603 
1973DTA_int_092584.7603Mm-hm.2585.1506
1974DTA_se3_ag2_m_012585.1674that brings you back to2586.3124
1976 2586.7226the road back to Detroit.2588.1216 
1978 2588.7583And as we neared the turn,2590.4909 
1980 2590.8153we were forced off by these2592.5144 
1982 2592.6430people.2593.0776 
1984 2593.7113We ran into a ditch and2595.3644 
1986 2595.8052into a corn field and2597.2840 
1988 2598.1348tore up the car.2599.1480 
1990 2600.2286A few people got bumped heads.2601.9368 
1992 2602.7205But, uh,2603.2959 
1994 2603.5255we got the car started again and got it pushed out of the ditch.2606.9757 
1996 2607.8511And tied the muffler back up and2609.8318 
1997DTA_int_092610.0644[<laugh>]2610.2665
1998DTA_se3_ag2_m_012610.3797tied the seat back up.2611.6929
2000 2612.9114And came home.2613.7593 
2001DTA_int_092614.2674How about the car- the other car. What happened to that?2616.7195
2002DTA_se3_ag2_m_012616.8603They kept going.2617.6317
2003DTA_int_092618.2225Is that right?2618.6971
2005 2619.4593Hm.2619.6583 
2007 2620.7266Uh,2621.1000 
2009 2621.8349were you ever in a situation where thought that you, uh, might die or be killed.2626.0420 
2010DTA_se3_ag2_m_012632.5337Hm,2633.1398
2012 2633.9604<ts>2634.1440 
2014 2635.3011not really. I- I don't-2636.7675 
2016 2636.9848I can't recall the2638.1603 
2018 2639.9267sensat- the- the feeling that I was gonna die2642.7308 
2020 2642.8440present,2643.3491 
2022 2643.7868but2644.0072 
2024 2644.5245I've been in some situations that looked pretty bleak,2647.2827 
2025DTA_int_092647.7878Mm-hm.2648.1949
2026DTA_se3_ag2_m_012648.3816as to getting hurt2649.4918
2028 2650.4909but not- not2651.3051 
2030 2651.4792seriously enough to die.2652.9215 
2031DTA_int_092653.1878Uh-huh.2653.5184
2032DTA_se3_ag2_m_012653.5245I guess it's- it's more of a-2655.2603
2034 2656.0195a survival thing.2657.3357 
2035DTA_int_092657.7261[Uh-huh.]2658.1195
2036DTA_se3_ag2_m_012657.7614[You-] you don't wanna2658.8890
2037 2659.3960think that you'll get killed2660.8961
2039 2661.6463until it's really really bad. And I guess a lot of people won't even admit it to themselves then.2666.6038 
2040DTA_int_092667.1960Mm-hm.2667.5634
2042 2668.2521How about, uh,2669.1417 
2044 2669.5104some people there's a saying, uh, whatever is going to happen, is going to happen. Uh,2673.0399 
2046 2673.5817what do you think that? It-2675.0101 
2048 2675.1428I guess it's kind of a philosophy, I don't know.2677.2171 
2049DTA_se3_ag2_m_012677.9898<ts>2678.0939
2051 2678.5071I used to-2679.3215 
2053 2679.5511to doubt it but, uh,2681.0937 
2055 2682.3368it seems like it's- it's quite possible that it would-2685.0032 
2057 2685.2020it would be true2685.9778 
2059 2686.0929after all.2686.7968 
2061 2687.8379But I really-2688.6071 
2063 2689.0929I haven't formed a2690.1857 
2065 2690.7185opinion about it one way or the other.2692.5857 
2066DTA_int_092693.1153Mm-hm.2693.4581
2068 2694.4570Okay, good.2695.0111