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1DTA_int_011.1148Now, I'm gonna ask you to reminisce a little bit.2.7867
2DTA_se3_ag3_f_012.9454<laugh>3.2383
3DTA_int_013.2383Yeah.3.5007
5 4.0294Um.4.2796 
7 4.7068Can you,5.0912 
9 5.5977uh,5.8601 
11 6.2750remember what kind of games you and your friends used to play around your neighborhood?9.7312 
12DTA_se3_ag3_f_0110.4269Oh, well I supposed they were the regular12.5793
14 13.5520games that um,14.7359 
16 14.8762little children play, you know, hopscotch, hide and go seek and18.2656 
18 18.8392the regular19.5288 
20 20.0589games.20.5654 
21DTA_int_0120.8494Uh-huh.21.1390
23 21.5296Did you jump rope?22.2313 
24DTA_se3_ag3_f_0122.6951Yes.23.1527
25DTA_int_0123.7690Uh.24.0009
27 24.0925Can you-24.4096 
29 24.8856this is asking quite a bit, but can you remember some of the rhymes that you used to say when you jump28.2091 
31 28.4043rope?28.7120 
32DTA_se3_ag3_f_0130.6464Oh, let's see now, there was one about hot peas.33.3327
34 33.7232And um.34.8387 
36 35.5466<ts>35.6320 
38 37.2125Alleria, Alleria, you know.38.8906 
39DTA_int_0139.7634[Huh.]40.0013
40DTA_se3_ag3_f_0139.7815[I think.]40.2781
41 40.5650And uh. Let's see, what's another one?42.5787
43 44.4391Um.44.7442 
45 47.2400<ts>47.3193 
47 47.6366I think there was an alphabet, and you go through the entire alphabet until you miss.51.9288 
49 52.5544Uh. And whatever alphabet, um,54.7573 
51 55.8393you miss on, you would have to57.9202 
53 59.5250uh, give the name of a person, you know, and this person was your lover63.3450 
55 63.8149or something like this, you know.65.1575 
56DTA_int_0165.3161Oh /I see/.65.8470
58 66.0484[/Yeah/.]66.2986 
59DTA_se3_ag3_f_0166.1033[It's] been so long ago. (laughing)67.5800
60DTA_int_0167.7692Yeah.67.9278
61DTA_se3_ag3_f_0167.9278[<laugh>]68.3489
62DTA_int_0168.7353Interesting. I've never heard of that one [before.]70.3828
63DTA_se3_ag3_f_0170.0106[You haven't] heard of that one?71.1456
64 71.4080Yeah. [Well.]72.0914
65DTA_int_0171.9025[That's uh,]72.3113
66 72.5308ingenious. [/inaudible/]73.6906
67DTA_se3_ag3_f_0173.3119[Well, after] you stop on the alphabet, like if- if it were J, you'd say76.8562
68 77.2909well, John, John, do you love her? Yes, no, maybe so.81.5381
70 82.0559And then uh, whatever one you stop on, like if it's yes or86.0854 
72 86.3675<ts>86.4591 
74 86.6910Well, you know, everybody would just laugh, you know.88.6301 
75DTA_int_0188.9474[Huh.]89.2376
76DTA_se3_ag3_f_0188.9596[And then] you, uh, say90.3143
77 90.6438go with yourself, you know, then you say /RD-NAME-2/, /RD-NAME-2/,93.2778
79 93.8148do you love him? Yes, no, maybe so. <laugh>96.3594 
80DTA_int_0196.3569[Oh.]96.6462
81DTA_se3_ag3_f_0196.7194One of those kinds of things.97.6836
82DTA_int_0197.9521Hey, that's good.98.5379
83DTA_se3_ag3_f_0198.6172<laugh>99.5070
84DTA_int_0199.5253Really interesting.100.3929
86 100.9959Um.101.3010 
88 102.2407Do- Can you, di- did you play some other games like this? Like hopscotch primarily and106.3785 
89DTA_se3_ag3_f_01106.4273Yes and uh.108.3434
91 108.6223M- m- blind109.6413 
93 110.3187 buff and uh,111.7823 
95 113.8135Mm. Oh we played jacks and uh.116.2726 
97 117.4625And [uh.]118.4796 
98DTA_int_01118.2599[How] did you play blind buff?119.4681
99 120.3431A-120.6177
100DTA_se3_ag3_f_01120.7642W- Well um,122.1982
102 122.6925<ts>122.7779 
104 123.2356Ow-123.6095 
106 124.6957You know, pu- put the thing on your126.1398 
108 126.3290your eyes and (laughing) <laughing> and you're supposed to128.6560 
110 129.0709pick a person, you know, find a person.130.8103 
111DTA_int_01131.0666Oh.131.2619
112DTA_se3_ag3_f_01131.5060Mm-hm.131.8721
113DTA_int_01132.4828You had a d-133.1177
115 133.2336the- was [there certain boundaries] or what?134.7956 
116DTA_se3_ag3_f_01133.6239[Y- your.]134.1566
117 135.2105[Oh, well just] the little area maybe in front of a house where you were playing, you know.139.3109
118DTA_int_01135.2347[/inaudible/]135.6806
119 139.9496Then you would go around with a blind fold on?141.4096
120DTA_se3_ag3_f_01141.4096Blind fold an- an- and tag a person, you know, and then144.2899
121 144.6499that person was the uh145.7913
123 146.2431had to be the blind147.0302 
125 147.2438[person.]147.5306 
126DTA_int_01147.3317[Oh.]147.6038
127 148.4274Was it hazardous? Like running [into /inaudible/]?151.9776
128DTA_se3_ag3_f_01150.3056[<laugh>]152.0000
129 152.3600Oh.152.6102
131 152.9397Well, you know how it is with the children, you always seem to get around things pretty easily.157.3712 
132DTA_int_01157.3712<laugh>157.6458
133DTA_se3_ag3_f_01157.7617<laugh>158.4601
135 158.9422There never was an accident in my160.4555 
137 160.5714uh, play si- play situation.162.4021 
138DTA_int_01162.8218Uh-huh.163.1147
139DTA_se3_ag3_f_01163.3221<ts>163.4259
141 164.1642I guess I was fortunate165.1833 
142DTA_int_01165.4187Oh. [Yeah.]166.2242
143DTA_se3_ag3_f_01166.0411[because] there are so many accidents in play though.168.3721
144DTA_int_01168.4881Yeah. [Sounds like] it's a169.8299
145DTA_se3_ag3_f_01168.8054[Mm-hm.]169.1532
146DTA_int_01170.1595some of it's quite dangerous. [You know,] kids [fall and]172.7672
147DTA_se3_ag3_f_01171.2334[Yes.]171.7460
149 172.0938[Mm-hm.]172.4376 
150 172.8099Just like my son, just uh, went out of here on a motorcycle and uh176.3166
152 176.7522my brother's here from Illinois, and he was backing out of the driveway and uh.180.2000 
154 180.7987<ts>180.8719 
156 181.4943He was going to turn around the street because they were going down third184.8566 
158 185.1861and, uh,185.7170 
160 186.1381he never looked for the other traffic, he just figured that my brother was coming out of the driveway and that was all.190.7498 
162 191.0793And there was a car coming from the direction of Third.193.1570 
164 193.7001And he-194.0925 
166 194.3957They thought that he was gonna keep straight to Second, you see and he made a197.2637 
168 197.8312<ts>197.9105 
170 198.2950uh,198.6308 
172 198.8322a u-turn in the street and uh, the lady stopped within about I guess eight feet of him.203.5050 
173DTA_int_01203.7003Hm.204.0115
174DTA_se3_ag3_f_01204.5030This type of thing, you know.206.0355
176 206.6335And uh, I was just about breathless for a while, because I thought that he was gonna look back and he said211.4452 
178 211.9455when I ask him, I said, well what uh,213.6241 
180 213.8865didn't you see the car? He said, well I thought that-215.7904 
182 216.3701that Uncle /RD-NAME-2/ was just um,217.9761 
184 218.7145coming out of the driveway, I said, but you're not supposed to think, you're supposed to know.222.1200 
185DTA_int_01222.1200Yes, [huh.]222.6344
186DTA_se3_ag3_f_01222.5350[You] know.223.1879
187 223.9263Oh dear.224.4938
188DTA_int_01224.6768Huh.224.9758
190 225.4443That's close.226.1949 
191DTA_se3_ag3_f_01226.3536I-226.5122
193 227.8486And when you have eight children at all different levels, tha- age levels that you've got to watch, you know, you figure232.5785 
195 232.9083your seventeen year old son should be able to watch for [himself.]236.2113 
196DTA_int_01235.8574[<laugh>]236.3456
197DTA_se3_ag3_f_01236.8642Oh dear.237.4781
198DTA_int_01237.8183Yeah.238.2027
200 238.7153Well, that's.239.2000 
202 240.5156He should be watching others at [that age. <laugh>]242.6177 
203DTA_se3_ag3_f_01241.6018[Yes.]242.4256
204DTA_int_01244.3034Uh. Did you ever play any games like uh,246.2073
206 246.5368Tackle-Tackle Pom-Pom or any like this?248.6063 
207DTA_se3_ag3_f_01248.9044I don't [recall that] one, no.250.8077
208DTA_int_01249.2822[/inaudible/]249.8070
209 251.7108Uh, did you play, uh,252.7409
211 253.0155any-253.2612 
213 253.6334Any other games where you'd hide your eyes and then255.2810 
215 256.0254other people would hide and?257.1543 
216DTA_se3_ag3_f_01257.9085No.258.2686
217DTA_int_01258.6957No.258.9520
219 259.8622Okay.260.2894 
221 260.4602Well, let's talk about261.3389 
223 261.5037um,261.8576 
225 262.5945a whole different thing.263.3450 
227 263.6257What about,264.0895 
229 264.3885do you have some favorite TV programs that you could266.2863 
231 266.8025describe?267.2750 
232DTA_se3_ag3_f_01267.5775Well I tell you, about me and TV.270.5811
233DTA_int_01270.9136Mm-hm.271.1638
234DTA_se3_ag3_f_01271.2249I-271.5178
236 272.1319I'm in school.273.1266 
237DTA_int_01273.3707Mm-hm.273.6667
238DTA_se3_ag3_f_01273.8405And my TV's in the upstairs den and the children,276.4515
240 276.6285uh,276.9824 
242 277.4157watch it quite a bit.278.6056 
244 278.8680And279.1121 
246 280.3513most of the times, when I come down in the morning,282.0416 
248 282.6824unless I go back up for some type of uh, task, I hardly ever make it back upstairs to the TV. So,287.7616 
250 288.1888while I'm in school,289.4233 
252 290.2105TV is just about abandoned by me.292.6453 
253DTA_int_01292.7185[Right.]293.1005
254DTA_se3_ag3_f_01293.0028[However],293.6789
255 293.7949uh, when I'm out of school, there are very few television programs that I do watch.298.2218
257 299.0700Uh, except for something that's301.0992 
259 301.3784a special type program, you know,303.2571 
261 303.9100of special interest.305.2511 
263 306.2594Um.306.9186 
265 307.3762Now, I have watched Perry Mason309.4647 
267 310.5778some.311.3747 
269 311.6508And I have watched, um,313.4372 
271 314.5478<ts>314.6332 
273 316.3304uh, Jackie Gleason.317.7156 
275 317.8255<ts>317.9170 
277 318.3014The old program more than the new one. And Lawrence Welk on Saturday night,322.5428 
278DTA_int_01322.9150Yeah.323.2080
279DTA_se3_ag3_f_01323.4337and uh.324.1468
281 325.2818That's about all as far as somewhat regular.327.8508 
282DTA_int_01328.2170Uh-huh.328.5282
283DTA_se3_ag3_f_01329.1689I have329.6998
285 329.9012w- watched a few of the332.0341 
287 332.1257Peyton Place332.9768 
289 333.5651serials because my children were [watching it, you know. (laughing) <laugh>]336.8661 
290DTA_int_01335.4626[<laugh>]336.5731
291DTA_se3_ag3_f_01337.2505<laugh>337.7875
293 338.9591And um.340.0392 
294DTA_int_01341.9836Well, that- sometimes you kind of just have to watch in self defense so you know what they're talking [about. <laugh>]346.0550
295DTA_se3_ag3_f_01345.3411[That's right.]346.0306
296 346.2076That's true.346.9056
298 347.5284That's about it.348.1386 
299DTA_int_01351.1372<laugh>351.4289
301 351.8511Is this /??/352.5162 
302DTA_se3_ag3_f_01353.0654Mm.353.3095
304 353.6512[I-]353.9319 
305DTA_int_01353.6512[Um.]353.9319
306 355.1665You-355.4411
308 356.5273Okay, well, what about, let's leave that thing.357.9674 
310 358.1688Do the children have a pet359.4743 
312 360.0662around?360.4783 
313DTA_se3_ag3_f_01361.3964[No.]361.9029
314DTA_int_01361.4864[/inaudible/]361.9029
315DTA_se3_ag3_f_01362.0738They did have a cat once, but he's gone now.364.6001
316DTA_int_01364.8136Oh.365.1283
317DTA_se3_ag3_f_01365.2931Mm-hm.365.7813
318DTA_int_01366.3183Kind of get in the way or? [<laugh>]367.8194
319DTA_se3_ag3_f_01367.4533[<laugh>]368.3503
320 368.6127Well, I tell you, we had him all trained and371.2814
322 371.6109then all of a sudden, he started um,373.5942 
324 374.1251uh,374.5522 
326 374.7390going backwards. (laughing)376.2585 
327DTA_int_01376.2402Oh.376.5392
328DTA_se3_ag3_f_01376.5270And it got to be377.3597
329 377.8296quite a little task, so we had to get rid of him.380.1118
330DTA_int_01380.2525Oh yeah.380.5576
331DTA_se3_ag3_f_01380.7651Mm-hm.381.2350
333 381.4546The children were quite sad of course, and they383.1877 
335 383.8345ask, uh384.8474 
337 385.0854quite a bit, when are we gonna get another cat, or when are we gonna get a dog. And388.1717 
339 390.0496we may eventually get another pet, but [I don't know.]392.3806 
340DTA_int_01392.0157[Huh.]392.3806
341 394.6445[Um.]395.0382
343 395.7034Do you remember when you were a child397.3143 
345 397.5828uh,397.9306 
347 398.4627if there were some ways that you399.9882 
349 400.8547well, at least used to play,402.0263 
351 402.2094that you might get a wish?403.3559 
353 404.6962Tha- Which you would405.4123 
355 405.9371you know, go through a little ritual and you were supposed to get a wish?408.5941 
357 409.0273Or409.2165 
358DTA_se3_ag3_f_01409.3680[Mm.]409.7280
359DTA_int_01409.3690[two people] would410.1186
360 410.8386do something and one of 'em would get a wish?412.6266
361DTA_se3_ag3_f_01413.8123No, I don't think I played anything like that.415.9819
362DTA_int_01416.3213You have a chicken bone or anything like that?417.7177
363DTA_se3_ag3_f_01417.7177No.418.0838
364DTA_int_01418.6279Didn't do it.419.1264
365DTA_se3_ag3_f_01419.5474Mm.419.9040
366DTA_int_01420.1176Four leaf clovers in here?421.2138
367DTA_se3_ag3_f_01421.2138No.421.6288
368DTA_int_01421.9705Uh-huh.422.2085
369DTA_se3_ag3_f_01422.3977<laugh>422.7089
370DTA_int_01423.6593We used to424.1658
372 424.5359pull on424.9469 
374 425.1116the425.3008 
376 425.9354the wishbone, you know, and [the winner.]427.1253 
377DTA_se3_ag3_f_01426.7470[Oh.]427.1863
378 427.6745I don't- I never played that.428.8842
379DTA_int_01430.2703Um.430.5876
381 432.1620Can you432.6249 
383 432.7653uh, tell me about your school?433.8425 
385 434.3978Uh.434.7517 
387 435.2399What you studied and so forth.436.7331 
388DTA_se3_ag3_f_01437.7766Well, do you mean, um,439.3204
390 439.9306from the elementary on up, or what I'm taking now?442.3914 
391DTA_int_01442.7026Well.442.9589
393 443.2457Well, let's say, uh, dur-444.6286 
395 445.0436from elementary to high school.446.5447 
396DTA_se3_ag3_f_01446.6606[Mm-hm.]447.0451
397DTA_int_01446.8315[That] far.447.3380
398 447.6248Cause447.9604
399DTA_se3_ag3_f_01448.0519Oh.448.2594
400DTA_int_01448.3753Beyond that, you know,449.2855
402 449.7005it's too diversified.450.7623 
403DTA_se3_ag3_f_01450.7623Oh, I see. Well. Uh. Now.453.1756
404 453.7568Now just.454.2267
406 454.3914Uh. Uh. What do you want? Besides the regul- going through the regular grades?458.3050 
407DTA_int_01458.6955Yeah.458.9518
409 459.0982Well, I'm- I- we're looking for460.7696 
411 460.9234a comparison of some of the462.2293 
413 462.5559uh462.9220 
415 463.0563titles for the subjects464.3133 
417 464.8625and um465.4544 
419 466.4779then later on.467.0820 
421 467.2346Well, and uh. I'd like a description of your school too, just describe what's in your471.0708 
423 471.2112what's in a school room that you can remember.473.0334 
424DTA_se3_ag3_f_01473.6070The [elementary] school? [<laugh>]475.8433
425DTA_int_01473.7380[Yeah.]473.9891
427 474.5496[Yeah. Can you remember that?]475.6175 
428DTA_se3_ag3_f_01476.3680What- this is a joke.477.2895
430 478.0667Well, um.479.0308 
432 479.9340<ts>480.0133 
434 480.3001Let's see, the elementary school went through the482.9118 
436 484.9314seventh grade, I believe,486.5959 
437DTA_int_01486.7484[Uh-huh.]487.0352
438DTA_se3_ag3_f_01486.8644[where] I went.487.4929
439 488.2923I am from a small town, it was489.8600
441 490.1284smaller then.491.0194 
443 491.9042And, uh.492.6587 
445 494.4893We had um.495.7220 
447 496.8550<ts>496.9221 
449 498.0510I-498.1548 
451 499.3630You mean just like reading500.8458 
453 501.0594writing, arithmetic?502.5293 
454DTA_int_01502.7185Yes503.0306
455DTA_se3_ag3_f_01503.5972Uh-huh.503.9938
456DTA_int_01504.0732Yeah, things like this.504.9336
457DTA_se3_ag3_f_01504.9763Uh-huh.505.3302
459 505.7024And [um.]506.5124 
460DTA_int_01506.1442[You know, just]506.6934
461 506.9314subjects that you studied.507.9992
462DTA_se3_ag3_f_01508.2616You know.508.6705
464 508.9390Well.509.1770 
466 509.8665I guess it was the same thing that they511.7565 
468 512.0799study now, more or less. Maybe it was a little different, but uh.514.6997 
470 515.3770As far as I recall, reading,516.8232 
472 517.9019writing sessions, arithmetic519.6532 
474 520.8551and uh, of course we had phonics.523.1979 
475DTA_int_01523.4881Uh-huh.523.8238
476DTA_se3_ag3_f_01524.1437This is something that um,525.2717
478 525.4181I find that a lot of the children seem need now. I don't know whether they get [enough] of it or not, but we had529.1592 
479DTA_int_01527.8899[Yeah.]528.0791
480DTA_se3_ag3_f_01529.6107a good bit of dealing on that.531.0569
482 531.4841And um.532.3403 
484 536.1298<ts>536.2274 
486 536.6771I- I- When I went to um,538.0257 
488 538.1599high school.539.1119 
490 540.1004Well, as a matter a fact, before we went to high school, I guess in the sixth grade we had geography.543.9658 
492 544.9361And uh.545.9386 
494 546.5915But, we didn't have what the call a social studies549.7157 
496 549.8378program, per se, like they have now.551.9548 
498 552.6992And uh.553.4132 
500 553.7427Course, we had the history.554.7687 
502 555.9281And uh.556.7580 
504 557.0021When I went to high school, well of course,558.9656 
506 559.7833the first thing I remember is the algebra.561.9512 
507DTA_int_01562.2136[Mm.]562.5004
508DTA_se3_ag3_f_01562.2380[<laugh>]563.4889
509 564.0198Plus.564.3371
511 564.8009Well, it didn't appear to be so hard but um.567.3554 
513 567.4408Apparently, I didn't get a good foundation569.4851 
515 570.2661with the instructor, because when I got to geometry, then572.8631 
517 573.1743I was completely lost.574.4801 
518DTA_int_01574.4801Oh.574.7242
519DTA_se3_ag3_f_01575.2624But, um.576.0007
521 576.5223<ts>576.5711 
523 577.8924Uh. We had a, uh, general academic, um, program at the high school where I went because582.5614 
525 583.2448at the time, it was the only high school that I could attend because I think there were only587.5042 
527 587.6567two in the city.589.3357 
529 590.1045And um.590.9466 
531 591.6728<ts> This was in Southern Illinois and all Negroes went to one high school and all the whites went to another.597.0243 
532DTA_int_01597.0243In Illinois that was that way?598.1715
533DTA_se3_ag3_f_01598.1715Yes, well I think that uh, in Southern Illinois, it's- well, as a matter a fact, I think even Chicago603.6205
534 603.7487was that way at that time.605.0057
536 605.7990But we were right across the river from St. Louis, Missouri,608.5656 
537DTA_int_01608.5656Oh.608.7303
538DTA_se3_ag3_f_01608.8280and I think that this part of Illinois may have been influenced611.7570
540 612.1280by Missouri because St. Louis was a bigger [city.]614.4843 
541DTA_int_01614.3012[Is that] Carbondale around [there?]615.7111
542DTA_se3_ag3_f_01615.6315[Well,] we were East St. Louis, not as far south as Carbondale.618.8736
543DTA_int_01618.9503Mm.619.1639
544DTA_se3_ag3_f_01619.6887<ts> Right across the river from St. Louis, Missouri.621.4984
546 622.5696And then of course I had all the English courses and literature and I had two years of Latin.627.5184 
548 628.6164And um,629.5817 
550 630.6679my science requirements, which was uh632.6450 
552 633.0965a year of chemistry and a year of biology.635.0854 
554 636.2647And of course, um,637.7170 
556 638.6317I carried639.2516 
558 639.3736uh, an average, uh, which permitted me to take some extra things, so I took uh,644.0784 
560 644.6886shorthand and typing.646.6789 
561DTA_int_01646.8497Hm.647.1304
562DTA_se3_ag3_f_01647.5332And uh, I did-648.6304
564 648.8745I utilized all of my homeroom651.0163 
566 651.5655sessions and study hours taking this um,654.7257 
568 655.0125<ts>655.0857 
570 655.2322typing and shorthand.656.5747 
571DTA_int_01656.6479Mm.656.8981
572DTA_se3_ag3_f_01657.1056And of cour- consequently, when I did graduate, well, I had659.8627
574 660.6010more than enough hours to uh permit me to enter college663.9262 
576 664.4484without uh,665.5834 
578 666.0167taking a college entrance exam.667.5850 
579DTA_int_01667.6827Mm-hm.668.2748
581 669.5255It was669.8306 
583 670.0625worth all the work [then.]671.2951 
584DTA_se3_ag3_f_01671.1060[<laugh>] Yeah, I think so.673.3582
585 673.7819Then I belong to the um675.4112
587 676.1789music groups, uh677.7349 
589 677.9973the choral678.7051 
591 678.9858groups. Uh. I think there were three of 'em and I belonged to the Octet and the Glee club.682.8536 
593 683.8055<ts> And um, an ensemble.685.6004 
594DTA_int_01685.8750Oh, way to go.686.4772
595DTA_se3_ag3_f_01687.4129<ts> And we had gym.688.6148
597 692.0545And um.693.0430 
599 694.4404<ts> I guess that's about it.695.5944 
600DTA_int_01695.9056Well that's a well rounded education they had there.697.9648
602 699.3988Um.699.6612 
604 700.5094Do you remember701.2660 
606 701.6142very many of the teachers?702.8286 
607DTA_se3_ag3_f_01703.6462Yes, I think I remember just about all of my [teachers.]706.5079
608DTA_int_01706.3004[Were.]706.5628
609DTA_se3_ag3_f_01706.9350And I'm getting company.708.3141
610DTA_int_01708.7657Oh.708.9976
612 710.5881<laugh> But, um.711.6010 
614 713.0776Did you [uh.]713.8105 
615DTA_se3_ag3_f_01713.6323[What] do we do now?714.5111
616DTA_int_01715.2947I don't know, wha- why don't you take the microphone off and go greet your company. (laughing)718.1810
618 719.1506Uh.719.3703 
620 720.6090Um.720.9630 
622 721.6586Okay, now we were taking about teachers.723.3211 
624 723.4736[Right.]723.7543 
625DTA_se3_ag3_f_01723.4765[Oh.] Yes.724.3613
626DTA_int_01724.5382Can you remember the-725.3542
628 725.7243tell me the-726.0377 
630 726.2024the teacher726.8310 
632 727.5698uh, that made728.3727 
634 728.5557probably the most, uh, lasting impression on you that730.9839 
636 731.3806you really liked?731.9176 
637DTA_se3_ag3_f_01732.4113Oh.732.6736
639 733.0581Well, I tell you, all through, uh,734.8850 
641 735.0559grade school735.7759 
643 736.4350uh, there was one teacher, that uh, was my favorite, her name was Ms. /RD-NAME-2/.740.4458 
645 741.2567And, I don't know742.2208 
647 742.5748a why743.2155 
649 743.4718I was attracted to her.744.6983 
651 745.4621I don't, uh,746.3103 
653 748.3364think that, um,749.5038 
655 750.7712she helped me with any particular skill or any752.9374 
657 753.4134more than any of the other teachers, but I just sort of admire her for some reason, I don't know.757.0873 
658DTA_int_01757.3924Mm-hm.757.6609
659DTA_se3_ag3_f_01757.7646And uh.758.4786
661 758.7044Of course, um.759.7173 
663 762.0060There was another teacher in high s- this763.6946 
665 763.8533was uh, elementary, and then in high school, there was a lady by the name of Ms. /RD-NAME-2/, she was the head of the uh,768.3043 
667 768.8413music department.769.7124 
668DTA_int_01769.9260Oh yeah.770.2494
669DTA_se3_ag3_f_01770.3043And uh.770.9877
671 771.4271Course, I had a lot of contact with her, because I was in the774.6160 
673 775.3056music groups, you [see.]776.8933 
674DTA_int_01776.7530[Mm-hm.]777.0947
675DTA_se3_ag3_f_01777.0215[And] uh.777.7659
676 779.9871There again, I don't really know781.5188
677DTA_int_01781.8971[<laugh>]782.1168
678DTA_se3_ag3_f_01781.9032[why. (laughing)]782.6965
679 783.2274But, uh some people784.4661
681 785.0534have uh785.8406 
683 786.0602pleasant personalities and they seem to um,788.5290 
685 789.2857uh, have interest in the children that they are working with, you know.792.1587 
687 792.6042And um.793.5195 
689 794.4776For some reason or another they seem to take a- a little bit of individual attention.798.0687 
690DTA_int_01798.3278Mm-hm.798.6573
691DTA_se3_ag3_f_01798.6573Give a little bit of individual attention to you.801.0006
692 801.4948I think this, in order802.6476
694 803.4591<ts> Uh.803.9351 
696 804.0327Invariably804.7589 
698 805.0640causes you to806.0543 
700 806.5181be attracted to them, you know.807.9381 
702 808.0357So, uh,808.2798 
704 808.4873apparently, maybe this was it.809.9274 
706 810.6169And this teacher in high school, Ms./RD-NAME-2/, also taught me uh,813.9315 
708 814.0475shorthand.814.6760 
709DTA_int_01814.9140Oh. That's [neat.]815.5122
710DTA_se3_ag3_f_01815.4266[So,] I had a good bit of contact with her.817.4325
711 817.6461So, I guess this um818.8665
713 819.5074may be a part of it, and then after I had finished the requirement,822.6676 
715 823.5768<ts>823.6623 
717 823.9124of the824.4738 
719 824.9656i- shorthand825.8956 
721 826.4814in the school, she827.3903 
723 827.6466had some other students that were slow829.5565 
725 830.0752and in a class where she was trying to work at a certain pace, she'd give me the slow students and um.834.4242 
727 834.9467I helped them along with their shorthand.836.6309 
728DTA_int_01836.7806Really?837.1163
729DTA_se3_ag3_f_01837.3359[Yeah.]837.6288
730DTA_int_01837.5802[That's] good experience.838.2331
731DTA_se3_ag3_f_01838.3887Well, I- I even got some private uh, students, they would come to my house at night.842.3216
733 842.8159[<laugh>]843.9936 
734DTA_int_01843.1456[<laugh>]843.7619
735DTA_se3_ag3_f_01844.4024<laugh>844.6160
737 844.9272For private lessons.846.0380 
738DTA_int_01846.0380Is that right?846.5908
739DTA_se3_ag3_f_01846.5908Yeah.846.9447
740DTA_int_01846.9876[/inaudible/]847.4201
741DTA_se3_ag3_f_01847.1400[They were] free of course.848.0370
742 848.4825<laugh>848.7815
743DTA_int_01848.7937Yeah.848.9523
744DTA_se3_ag3_f_01849.2391But, I was getting experience.850.6670
745DTA_int_01850.8259Sure.851.1613
746DTA_se3_ag3_f_01851.4421Mm-hm.851.8143
747DTA_int_01853.2788Okay, good.854.0172
749 854.1819Um.854.5542 
751 855.8112Did the,856.3909 
753 857.3343probably the boys did this,858.4571 
755 858.8781pull a prank on any of the teachers860.3692 
757 861.0222that you remember?861.7313 
758DTA_se3_ag3_f_01862.8014Well, no, I can't remember864.7842
760 865.1412uh,865.5287 
762 866.0413a single prank867.0054 
764 867.1457being pulled on a teacher the whole time I was going to school.869.5866 
765DTA_int_01871.3639Probably a pretty serious line of kids huh?873.0115
766DTA_se3_ag3_f_01874.5537Well,875.1700
768 875.4690um.875.8778 
770 877.9462<ts>878.0683 
772 878.4215I don't remember but one879.7889 
774 880.1368boy that was sort of uh,881.5830 
776 882.8588rough-like, the whole time I was in high school, you know.885.2631 
777DTA_int_01885.4891Uh-huh.885.7488
778DTA_se3_ag3_f_01885.8342But I don't think he886.6031
780 886.9509ever887.2499 
782 887.3720attempted to pull a prank on a teacher.889.0864 
783DTA_int_01889.4342Um.889.6722
784DTA_se3_ag3_f_01890.5509He would890.9109
786 891.1245bully the other students you, [know. (laughing)] <laugh>895.1279 
787DTA_int_01892.8884[<laugh>]893.7977
788DTA_se3_ag3_f_01895.5856But I guess maybe he wasn't brave enough to um, pull pranks on teachers.898.5156
789DTA_int_01898.7786<laugh>899.3034
790DTA_se3_ag3_f_01899.4085<laugh>899.6695
792 900.9869I think may- from a small town, you don't have903.7207 
794 904.2698as much of a905.2872 
796 905.4391heterogeneous mixture as you do in a big metropolitan area.909.0307 
797DTA_int_01909.2931Yeah.909.5128
798DTA_se3_ag3_f_01910.0009Maybe this is the910.9366
800 911.1502the reason.911.7360 
802 912.0289I don't [know.]912.7830 
803DTA_int_01912.4378[That kid] was913.1733
804 913.6707/unintelligible/914.6637
805DTA_se3_ag3_f_01914.6440Yeah.915.0589
806DTA_int_01916.1620[quite provincial.]917.2482
807DTA_se3_ag3_f_01917.0407[You know,] I think it's a little different really.919.0204
808 919.2034[I really] do.919.8808
809DTA_int_01922.0796Um.922.4213
811 922.7203Is there a group of people923.9745 
813 924.4077uh, sh- I say group925.9516 
815 926.2933which can be anywhere from four or five to928.6076 
817 929.0897twenty.929.5534 
818DTA_se3_ag3_f_01929.6145Mm-hm.929.9928
819DTA_int_01929.9928But uh, that930.7631
821 931.0560you're quite close to, um?932.3616 
822DTA_se3_ag3_f_01933.1122No.933.6492
823DTA_int_01933.7077You have /some very friendliness/?934.9954
824DTA_se3_ag3_f_01937.0860Well, not really.938.2576
825DTA_int_01938.5097Mm.938.7782
826DTA_se3_ag3_f_01939.7668I am affiliating with the family life ed club.942.4883
828 943.5783Over at the university944.8354 
829DTA_int_01945.0489Oh.945.3052
831 945.9887Wha- what kind of a club is that?947.2396 
832DTA_se3_ag3_f_01947.8376Well, it's just um,949.1146
834 949.9811a social organization in order to um,952.1410 
836 952.6597have all the family life ed student, um954.8687 
838 955.2369<ts>955.3164 
840 955.4547get to know each other you know, and we give um957.7369 
842 958.3357a few affairs during the year like bake sale and um,962.0641 
844 962.3523<ts>962.4500 
846 962.9025teas.963.5799 
848 963.8118And things of this sort, you know, and965.8987 
850 966.2738of course966.9572 
852 967.4515at the time of graduation, the give an affair to all of the graduates.971.0113 
854 971.6825And also, there is an honors convocation in which the participate.975.3841 
855DTA_int_01977.8153Is this wha- is this what you're studying now?979.4873
856DTA_se3_ag3_f_01979.5361Family Life Ed, yes.980.5491
857DTA_int_01980.5491Oh, I see.981.1105
858DTA_se3_ag3_f_01981.1654Mm-hm.981.5865
859DTA_int_01981.8672Good.982.1371
861 983.1486And uh.983.6450 
863 984.5912I suppose these985.2114 
865 985.7546as far as age, these986.9934 
867 987.3107people are quite987.9652 
868DTA_se3_ag3_f_01988.5609Varied.989.1833
869DTA_int_01989.1833varied.989.5128
870DTA_se3_ag3_f_01989.5800Yes.990.1291
871DTA_int_01990.1797Hm.990.3383
872DTA_se3_ag3_f_01990.6905We have um.991.6791
874 992.8568The conventional college age group,994.8929 
875DTA_int_01995.0979Mm-hm.995.3359
876DTA_se3_ag3_f_01995.3359plus, [uh]996.1646
877DTA_int_01995.9697[<laugh>]996.2932
878DTA_se3_ag3_f_01996.3603my age group. [<laugh>]998.3703
879DTA_int_01997.3451[<laugh>]997.9065
880DTA_se3_ag3_f_01998.8219<laugh>999.2368
881DTA_int_011000.4145Um.1000.7684
883 1001.3872Do any of these people, say in your clubs, do s-1003.6168 
885 1003.8890well, are they natives of another la-1006.0885 
887 1006.5279of another land, for example, like Poland, or,1008.6026 
889 1009.2136um,1009.6020 
891 1010.7797maybe s-1011.1764 
893 1011.5303Mexico or [other countries?]1013.0437 
894DTA_se3_ag3_f_011012.3725[You mean weren't] born [here?]1013.8859
895DTA_int_011013.8249[Yes.]1014.1543
896 1014.3801Can speak [another language?]1015.6798
897DTA_se3_ag3_f_011014.7950[I]1014.9476
899 1015.3259[I don't] know of any.1016.3755 
900DTA_int_011016.6558Oh, I see.1017.1561
902 1017.7786What about uh, in- say in your1019.3163 
904 1019.7313uh, close acquaintance?1020.9151 
906 1021.7938Uh.1022.1351 
908 1022.6513Are there any1023.0809 
910 1023.2945people that speak other languages like this?1024.8994 
912 1027.1084[Maybe a /inaudible/]1027.7458 
913DTA_se3_ag3_f_011027.2182[Well, I have a] brother-in-law who speaks Spanish.1029.8204
914DTA_int_011030.0523Mm-hm.1030.2659
915DTA_se3_ag3_f_011030.2494And he's from Panama.1031.2605
916DTA_int_011031.5311Oh.1031.8605
917DTA_se3_ag3_f_011032.4403But he lives in Cleveland, not here.1034.0696
918DTA_int_011034.2222Oh, I see.1034.7653
919DTA_se3_ag3_f_011034.8324Mm-hm.1035.2449
920DTA_int_011035.5866Uh-huh.1035.8490
921DTA_se3_ag3_f_011035.9100But, as far as uh, any of my acquaintance here,1038.3914
923 1039.8926I don't have any who speak any foreign language.1042.1992 
924DTA_int_011042.3030That's nice.1042.9010
925DTA_se3_ag3_f_011042.9010Mm-hm.1043.3586
926DTA_int_011043.7614Uh, what about1044.4814
928 1044.7072in the neighborhood or1045.8353 
930 1046.0061at your group at school?1047.0252 
932 1047.3242Are there any uh,1047.9954 
934 1048.1602white people or uh.1049.8139 
936 1050.5705This could include like, the- Jewish people and so forth [that-] that you're acquainted with.1053.8525 
937DTA_se3_ag3_f_011052.7297[Mm.]1052.9188
938 1054.7495Well, most of the people at school are- ar-1056.6299
940 1056.8252are1057.3011 
942 1057.6742white1058.1258 
944 1058.7299or Jewish because there aren't1060.0455 
946 1060.8473the percentage of Negroes over at /RD-SCHOOL-1/ is not very high, you know.1064.5115 
947DTA_int_011064.6222Oh.1064.9761
948DTA_se3_ag3_f_011065.0249Most of the times, um.1066.3125
950 1067.4047Uh there's i- well,1068.2775 
952 1068.3813a class that I took this quarter1070.2830 
954 1070.9061<ts>1071.0611 
956 1071.9001the one that was just over today, there were only two Negroes in that class.1074.7659 
957DTA_int_011074.9490Mm.1075.2541
958DTA_se3_ag3_f_011075.3273And um.1076.3708
960 1076.6027The other class1077.6452 
962 1078.2372that I had1079.2257 
964 1080.3917there were only three.1081.8868 
965DTA_int_011082.3906Oh, yeah.1082.6408
966DTA_se3_ag3_f_011082.6774And this is um,1083.9014
968 1084.0357about the ratio1085.2673 
970 1085.4565of all the classes that I've been in over there, you see. So,1088.1048 
972 1088.6113consequently,1089.5187 
974 1091.1418I have as many or more1093.1372 
976 1093.8459white friends that-1094.8284 
978 1094.9992over there at the university, [you see.]1096.8787 
979DTA_int_011096.5980[Hm.]1096.8787
980DTA_se3_ag3_f_011097.6476And um.1098.4470
982 1098.9352All the people that I met are very very nice.1101.4920 
983DTA_int_011101.5469Mm-hm.1101.8144
985 1102.7846I was just wondering, sometimes, uh,1104.1027 
987 1104.7617you ge- you find neighborhoods, for example, uh, Polish neighborhoods are very1107.6126 
989 1107.7834ingrown, you know.1108.6588 
990DTA_se3_ag3_f_011108.6621Mm-hm.1109.2174
991DTA_int_011109.2799Like in Hamtramck,1110.1342
992DTA_se3_ag3_f_011110.3417[Mm-hm.]1110.8542
993DTA_int_011110.5463[that's] very much.1111.1105
994DTA_se3_ag3_f_011111.7635[Well, I.]1112.3388
995DTA_int_011111.7635[And we're]1112.3388
996 1112.4868interested in finding out how1113.8888
998 1114.5687you know, different groups like this intermix [and.]1116.5214 
999DTA_se3_ag3_f_011116.3017[Uh-huh.]1116.5580
1000 1117.0035Well, I think uh, over at /RD-SCHOOL-1/, uh1119.7921
1002 1120.9613most of the people1122.0536 
1004 1122.2854uh, or or less integrate to a great extent because uh,1125.6464 
1006 1126.4283and you take for instance, in the classes there uh,1129.0042 
1008 1129.3024the Jewish population is1130.8544 
1010 1131.4036represented ver- on a small basis also, [you know.]1134.3152 
1011DTA_int_011133.7965[Mm-hm.]1134.2481
1012DTA_se3_ag3_f_011134.6874So that um.1135.8834
1014 1136.6218<ts> Everybody gets along quite well, I1138.5688 
1016 1139.0875have a girlfriend who's uh, from a Polish family, she lives in Dearborn.1143.1514 
1018 1143.8653But, um,1144.6618 
1020 1146.0653<ts> she doesn't uh,1147.5176 
1022 1148.0535seem to1148.7858 
1024 1150.2564uh, just want to restrict her relationships to Polish people.1153.5573 
1025DTA_int_011153.5390Hm.1153.7464
1026DTA_se3_ag3_f_011153.7464You know.1154.2102
1027 1154.6190And the same thing. Of course, now,1155.9493
1029 1156.2483I noticed that the Jewish1157.5307 
1031 1157.6528girls do stick together.1159.2555 
1032DTA_int_011159.6155[Mm-hm.]1159.7925
1033DTA_se3_ag3_f_011159.7315[You] know.1160.2196
1034 1161.0494But uh, they also associate with other people, you [know.]1164.1981
1035DTA_int_011163.9390[Oh.]1164.1981
1036DTA_se3_ag3_f_011165.0483And uh,1165.7879
1038 1165.9710of course now, when you go into a classroom,1168.3373 
1040 1168.7950and you don't know anybody, you know,1171.1372 
1042 1171.5704if you are a Negro, and there's another Negro there, well1174.5837 
1044 1175.0902you don't just automatically get friendly with that person1178.2079 
1046 1178.5130you usually get friendly to the person who's sitting next to you.1180.9647 
1047DTA_int_011181.0624Mm-hm.1181.3370
1048DTA_se3_ag3_f_011181.4285You know.1181.8312
1049DTA_int_011182.1913[More geographical, [of course /?/]1184.0113
1050DTA_se3_ag3_f_011182.2767[Not jus-]1182.6994
1052 1183.2181[Yes.]1183.9320 
1053 1184.2005This is sort of the way it runs.1185.7382
1054DTA_int_011185.7993Hm.1186.0617
1055DTA_se3_ag3_f_011186.2508Mm-hm.1186.8622
1056DTA_int_011187.6067Okay.1187.9118
1058 1188.2901Now, uh, another1189.6143 
1060 1189.8706reminisce1190.4747 
1062 1190.7615[question.]1191.2594 
1064 1191.5523Uh.1191.8513 
1066 1192.1259When you were in school,1193.1450 
1068 1193.5477uh,1193.8557 
1070 1194.2645can you remember1195.0273 
1072 1195.6619what you had in mind that you wanted to do1197.2535 
1074 1197.6502when you got out of school?1198.4984 
1075DTA_se3_ag3_f_011199.1818Well now, I can't remember how far back I knew, but um.1202.6094
1077 1204.0678<ts>1204.2204 
1079 1204.5371As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be1207.7580 
1081 1209.4361a college1210.2354 
1083 1210.9006English instructor.1211.7390 
1084DTA_int_011212.0075Hm.1212.2455
1085DTA_se3_ag3_f_011212.7088<laugh>1213.8682
1086DTA_int_011213.8682Is um,1214.9454
1088 1215.5341Eh- are you-1216.1056 
1090 1216.2643what-1216.4596 
1092 1216.6731[what are you now?]1217.1435 
1093DTA_se3_ag3_f_011216.7708[I'm in] family life ed.1218.3396
1094DTA_int_011218.8094Uh-huh.1219.1745
1095DTA_se3_ag3_f_011219.2244Um.1219.7919
1097 1219.9958And this is1220.6304 
1099 1220.8501uh,1221.3626 
1101 1222.1376a secondary level1223.1514 
1103 1223.2552training.1223.7738 
1104DTA_int_011223.9508Oh, I see.1224.4512
1105DTA_se3_ag3_f_011224.6342So, I am um.1226.0560
1107 1227.1725I'll s-1227.3983 
1109 1227.7291still be dealing with um,1229.0366 
1111 1231.4636um,1231.8973 
1113 1232.1536young adults, more or less.1233.6019 
1115 1234.8467Because, um.1235.9026 
1117 1237.5990<ts> I just don't feel1238.6788 
1119 1238.9046I've never-1239.5636 
1121 1239.6917with the elementary level has never appealed to me really.1241.9028 
1122DTA_int_011241.9890Mm-hm.1242.2514
1124 1245.1473Well, how long would it have taken to become a1247.2953 
1126 1247.6370well, a1247.8994 
1128 1248.0825an English professor then?1249.2210 
1129DTA_se3_ag3_f_011250.4292Oh, well, um.1251.7167
1131 1252.2171I guess when you say professor,1254.2872 
1132DTA_int_011254.4459Or uh. Or uh. Ho- [whatever you wanted to do. Teacher?]1256.5817
1133DTA_se3_ag3_f_011255.2697[<laugh>]1257.5519
1134DTA_int_011256.8440[Whatever. <laugh>]1257.9204
1135DTA_se3_ag3_f_011258.0974Well, I guess, you know1259.3720
1137 1259.6282your regular four years of college, and then um,1262.2888 
1139 1262.7086a master's degree.1263.8837 
1140DTA_int_011264.0302[Mm-hm.]1264.3048
1141DTA_se3_ag3_f_011264.1888[You] know, you can teach,1265.3177
1142 1265.8913uh, English.1266.7944
1143DTA_int_011267.0080Mm-hm.1267.2643
1145 1268.5242I assume that you wanted to teach at the college level right?1270.8282 
1146DTA_se3_ag3_f_011271.0601[Yes.]1271.5833
1147DTA_int_011271.4751[We] already talked about that.1272.3049
1148DTA_se3_ag3_f_011272.3049Yes. Uh-huh.1273.0661
1149 1273.4867Then of course, at that time, if I'd been able to go right straight through a school, I would have naturally immediately gone1278.3482
1151 1278.7388received a master's degree, I would've1280.1667 
1153 1280.2887been going for a Ph.D., you [know.]1282.2095 
1154DTA_int_011282.1546[Mm-hm.]1282.4274
1155DTA_se3_ag3_f_011282.8929And um. But it didn't quite work out that way.1285.8120
1156DTA_int_011285.8120Mm-hm.1286.0989
1158 1287.7220Mm.1287.9783 
1160 1288.2102Well, women I guess sometimes get sidetracked. [<laugh>]1290.6988 
1161DTA_se3_ag3_f_011290.4914[Yeah, well.]1291.5775
1162DTA_int_011291.2441[/Raising a family/.]1292.1572
1163DTA_se3_ag3_f_011291.7545[In this case] I did.1293.1464
1164DTA_int_011295.4016But then1295.7983
1166 1296.5386the other t-1297.0858 
1168 1297.5967important too [<laugh>]1298.8368 
1169DTA_se3_ag3_f_011298.5748[Well] yes, uh, but the thing is you know, while you're at it, you may as well get through with one thing you know, this is what I1304.6825
1170 1305.2500always figured. And, just um,1307.6884
1172 1307.8410maybe I was a little bit ahead of my time,1310.0837 
1174 1310.4654in thinking this, because now it is becoming an accepted fact1314.4623 
1176 1314.5844uh1314.8773 
1178 1315.3044how many of the college population are getting married before they are finished1319.1561 
1179DTA_int_011319.4368Yeah.1319.6625
1180DTA_se3_ag3_f_011319.9005uh, with their1320.8647
1182 1321.0520underg- graduate work, you see, and they're continuing on to college, and this is what I wanted to do [you know.]1326.5229 
1183DTA_int_011326.2544[Mm-hm.]1326.5595
1184DTA_se3_ag3_f_011326.7669If I did get married, I did not intend to um1329.3330
1186 1329.7313<ts>1329.7984 
1188 1329.9127discontinue my education you see, but the-1332.2701 
1190 1333.0451the man whom I married who had so faithfully promised that- that this1336.6572 
1192 1337.0782would take place as I wished whenever I was married then1339.8547 
1194 1340.4954it was no longer so.1341.9176 
1195DTA_int_011342.0763Mm-hm.1342.3081
1196DTA_se3_ag3_f_011342.4241You know.1342.8817
1198 1343.5530And um, but I have liked nothing1345.7263 
1200 1345.9330better than uh1346.8674 
1202 1347.6302being a mother because I am very fond of children, you know.1350.6602 
1204 1351.1545But I wanted to finish this particular phase1353.3879 
1206 1353.9188of-1354.2363 
1208 1354.9025before I started on um,1356.3243 
1210 1356.7468child rearing.1357.5950 
1211DTA_int_011357.7335Mm-hm.1357.9897
1213 1360.9380Uh, okay. Now, let's leave this and- and talk.1363.6596 
1215 1363.9158What do you call your neighborhood here? Do you have a name for it?1366.4044 
1216DTA_se3_ag3_f_011366.7961Well, this is the Boston-Edison area.1369.0705
1217DTA_int_011369.3756Bo-1369.6197
1219 1369.7967Bos-1370.0408 
1220DTA_se3_ag3_f_011370.1628Boston-Edison.1371.1575
1221DTA_int_011371.1575Oh. Okay.1371.6214
1222DTA_se3_ag3_f_011371.7677[Mm-hm.]1372.0911
1223DTA_int_011372.0179[Is] that1372.4023
1224 1372.6281uh.1372.8661
1226 1373.0332Uh. Where does the Boston come in?1374.3574 
1227DTA_se3_ag3_f_011374.5222Well, um.1375.2981
1229 1375.7741This is Edison, the next street is Longfellow1378.4529 
1230DTA_int_011378.5634Mm-hm.1378.8014
1231DTA_se3_ag3_f_011378.9716and next to that is Chicago an- and the1380.8700
1233 1381.1019other street is- is Boston.1382.7397 
1234DTA_int_011382.8129Oh, I see.1383.2278
1235DTA_se3_ag3_f_011383.4597And as the streets uh1384.8693
1237 1385.0436uh bound1385.7575 
1239 1385.9528by Edison1386.9047 
1241 1387.2159and Boston1388.1190 
1243 1388.3753and from Woodward to Linwood.1389.9680 
1244DTA_int_011390.2767Oh, I see.1390.8137
1245DTA_se3_ag3_f_011390.9419Mm-hm.1391.3019
1247 1391.7474I mean, this the big association1393.8338 
1249 1394.4440um1395.0448 
1251 1395.9052for the entire area.1397.3087 
1253 1397.8701But then1398.4315 
1255 1398.6770we have block clubs within the area.1401.2982 
1256DTA_int_011401.4431Oh yeah.1401.7360
1257DTA_se3_ag3_f_011401.7986W- who1402.1525
1259 1402.4210that affiliate with the Boston-Edison Association.1405.2707 
1261 1405.7467And1406.1860 
1263 1406.3996our particular block1407.3426 
1265 1407.5684cub- club is called the Henry Hitt Crane Club.1410.2939 
1266DTA_int_011410.5258Mm-hm.1410.7760
1267DTA_se3_ag3_f_011410.7760<ts>1410.8370
1268 1411.1116And this is named for1412.4637
1270 1413.0556the Dr. Crane that lives second door who was formally the pastor of the um1417.5758 
1272 1417.9608<ts>1418.0401 
1274 1419.9129Methodist Church down Mt. Adams.1421.8356 
1275DTA_int_011421.9760Was this the original, uh,1423.3673
1277 1423.7334center where the block clubs meet1425.1158 
1279 1425.6201in Detroit?1426.1327 
1280DTA_se3_ag3_f_011426.6148Is it the original what?1427.6218
1281DTA_int_011427.6889Is this the original center then for the1429.4525
1283 1429.8247block clubs?1430.3922 
1285 1431.1785Like I've- we've talked to some people uh, for example, close up to Eight Mile Road1434.8360 
1286DTA_se3_ag3_f_011434.9214Mm-hm.1435.2509
1287DTA_int_011435.3241that were just1435.9241
1289 1436.2841Well, their-1436.7662 
1291 1436.9066their block clubs are quite1438.1609 
1293 1438.4782shaky, you [know, they're] still getting1439.7779 
1294DTA_se3_ag3_f_011438.9969[Oh.]1439.3325
1295 1440.0708[Mm-hm.]1440.5407
1296DTA_int_011440.2112[started.]1440.5407
1297DTA_se3_ag3_f_011441.0106[Well, I think.]1441.9259
1298DTA_int_011441.0106[/inaudible/]1442.0724
1299DTA_se3_ag3_f_011443.2012Uh. This are- this is an old area, and um,1446.5698
1301 1446.7541it has always been uh somewhat of an exclusive type area, you see. If you have1451.4454 
1303 1451.8298a home1452.3241 
1305 1452.4634uh,1452.7441 
1307 1453.0126across the street there,1454.3429 
1309 1454.4771across Second was the old Henry Ford Mansion.1457.1378 
1310DTA_int_011457.3087Oh.1457.6748
1311DTA_se3_ag3_f_011457.7420And uh.1458.6146
1313 1459.5346Right across the park there at Longfellow, on that corner is the old James Couzen's mansion, you know.1465.1722 
1314DTA_int_011465.3589Hm.1465.5907
1315DTA_se3_ag3_f_011465.6542So, this has been sort of a- an exclusive neighborhood, and then1468.6662
1317 1469.1239when the area changed over,1470.9081 
1319 1471.4024uh, the Negroes that were buying homes in here was strictly, um professional you see, so they still wanted to keep the uh1477.9972 
1321 1478.3389area very nice, you [know. So,] they kept their clubs going.1481.5432 
1322DTA_int_011479.7930[Mm-hm.]1480.1225
1323DTA_se3_ag3_f_011482.0203So, what they say that we're living in,1483.6253
1325 1483.7779in this particular block that's over looking the park is the1486.2861 
1327 1486.6888uh, Minister's Row.1487.8482 
1328DTA_int_011488.0435Oh.1488.3594
1329DTA_se3_ag3_f_011488.7744We have a Doctor1489.6150
1331 1489.7248uh, r-1490.3792 
1333 1490.6111r- /RD-NAME-2/'s next door here, who is1492.4086 
1335 1492.9029just getting ready to go to Europe1494.3953 
1337 1494.9974tomorrow.1495.6517 
1339 1496.0118And then there's a Mr.- uh, Reverend /RD-NAME-1/ here next door, then Dr. /RD-NAME-1/ and then there's another retired minister down the street.1501.5435 
1341 1501.9630[So. <laugh>]1503.7255 
1342DTA_int_011501.9630[<laugh>]1503.3349
1343DTA_se3_ag3_f_011504.1282So, we say we're Minister's Row.1505.6354
1344DTA_int_011505.9431<laugh>1506.2909
1346 1508.4470And uh. How do you say the name of the city you live in?1510.8147 
1347DTA_se3_ag3_f_011512.2371How do I say it?1512.8513
1348DTA_int_011512.9001Yeah.1513.0283
1349DTA_se3_ag3_f_011513.0283Oh. Detroit.1513.8093
1350DTA_int_011513.8704Uh-huh.1514.0656
1352 1514.5599Wha-1514.8455 
1354 1515.0590What are some of the1516.3466 
1356 1516.5541most important streets, that you can think of1518.6015 
1358 1519.2727in Detroit?1519.9317 
1359DTA_se3_ag3_f_011519.9317You mean main thoroughfares?1521.1938
1360DTA_int_011521.2122Yeah. Mm-hm.1521.7950
1361DTA_se3_ag3_f_011522.4936Oh, well Woodward of course, two blocks away. (laughing)1524.9010
1362DTA_int_011525.0929[Mm-hm.]1525.3430
1363DTA_se3_ag3_f_011526.1973That's the one that divides the East from the West, then Livernois.1529.0509
1365 1529.9540and um.1530.9364 
1367 1531.1134Well, James Couzens1532.3765 
1369 1533.8942and um,1534.9498 
1371 1536.4327Jefferson.1537.1033 
1373 1538.8180And um,1539.8861 
1375 1541.7350Mack.1542.2662 
1377 1543.2123I think is one.1544.0361 
1379 1545.2199West Grand Boulevard.1546.6131 
1381 1547.2111And1547.3881 
1383 1548.0044Oakland Boulevard.1548.9624 
1385 1550.1280And um,1551.1594 
1387 1552.6605<ts>1552.7277 
1389 1555.1453Um.1555.6571 
1391 1557.8505Eight Mile Road.1558.9123 
1392DTA_int_011559.1136Mm-hm.1559.3455
1394 1560.7856Good. Well this is1561.6302 
1396 1561.8169sufficient. I [think that's good.]1563.0036 
1397DTA_se3_ag3_f_011562.4027[<laugh>]1563.2110
1398DTA_int_011563.5589I do.1563.9311
1400 1564.3643And uh.1564.9074 
1402 1565.9553Uh. N- Now, can you describe uh,1567.7349 
1404 1568.3817some of the things that happen around1569.9560 
1406 1570.3588Christmas that are kind of special?1571.7684 
1408 1572.3725Like decorations and foods you eat and other events that happen around Christmas time?1576.4480 
1409DTA_se3_ag3_f_011576.6738Oh.1577.0155
1411 1577.3368Yes.1577.5504 
1413 1577.7822Would you let me see if1578.5389 
1415 1578.7220my steaks before I-1579.7471 
1416DTA_int_011580.8198Alright, um.1581.5337
1418 1581.7717Now, i- in1582.6321 
1420 1582.8274back to [Christmas /inaudible/]1584.1201 
1421DTA_se3_ag3_f_011583.1081[Oh. Christmas decorations.] Oh1584.9110
1422 1585.8395Uh, you wanna know, um,1587.0234
1424 1587.2674[what impresses] me?1588.3170 
1425DTA_int_011587.2674[What do you do?]1587.9220
1426 1588.5977Well, just kind of uh1589.7454
1428 1590.1543what do you do1590.7035 
1429DTA_se3_ag3_f_011591.2405[What do] we do?1591.9366
1430DTA_int_011591.2405[uh.]1591.4915
1431 1591.9366Yeah. W- [what your traditions?]1593.8344
1432DTA_se3_ag3_f_011592.5468[Oh. Well,]1593.3584
1433 1594.4080we um, put lights on the outside,1596.7750
1435 1597.4768we have a tree,1598.4078 
1437 1599.5733we decorate the mantel.1600.7022 
1439 1601.8494And uh.1602.7474 
1441 1603.5834Santa Claus bring the children1605.0832 
1443 1605.3833toys and1605.8958 
1445 1606.0484presents.1606.6514 
1446DTA_int_011606.8711[Uh-huh.]1607.2433
1447DTA_se3_ag3_f_011606.9688[<laugh>]1607.5179
1448DTA_int_011607.6461Do you put uh, stockings up there for the [/children/?]1610.0100
1449DTA_se3_ag3_f_011609.3937[Well, no. Uh. We] don't use stockings.1611.2121
1450 1611.3281But, I just decorate um,1612.8436
1452 1613.4527with balls and uh, other decoration around the mantel, you know.1617.0774 
1453DTA_int_011617.2970Mm-hm.1617.5716
1454DTA_se3_ag3_f_011617.7669Mm.1618.0903
1455DTA_int_011618.6580Fireplace is nice with just.1620.1449
1456DTA_se3_ag3_f_011620.2487[Yeah.]1620.5904
1457DTA_int_011620.4378[Kind of] nice on a winter evening. [<laugh>]1622.2990
1458DTA_se3_ag3_f_011621.5423[Yes. (laughing)]1622.3234
1459DTA_int_011623.7062Uh. At the end of October, there's a day that children1626.2752
1461 1626.4643kind of go wild on. (laughing)1627.7214 
1463 1627.9960What day [is this?]1628.5269 
1464DTA_se3_ag3_f_011628.2034[Wha-]1628.4048
1465 1628.5818Oh, you mean Halloween?1629.6971
1466DTA_int_011629.8619Yeah.1630.1536
1467DTA_se3_ag3_f_011630.1536[<laugh>]1630.4233
1468DTA_int_011630.5636And some of 'em uh,1631.9305
1470 1632.4042carve a1632.7093 
1472 1632.9505face of a big round orange.1634.5338 
1474 1635.9129What would they [call it?]1636.6118 
1475DTA_se3_ag3_f_011636.2058[Oh yeah. On a] pumpkin?1637.0601
1476DTA_int_011637.3042Yeah.1637.5912
1478 1638.1038And some of the uh- some of the stories that circulate1640.5120 
1480 1640.7683talk about1641.3602 
1482 1641.8850some- some kind of beings riding around on [brooms.]1644.5414 
1483DTA_se3_ag3_f_011644.1098[N- <laugh>] Uh, the witch?1645.4157
1484DTA_int_011645.6038Yeah.1645.8113
1485DTA_se3_ag3_f_011645.9272<laugh>1646.5435
1486DTA_int_011646.6167Uh.1646.8608
1488 1647.5321When the children come1648.4634 
1490 1648.5526around the neighborhood and knock on the doors, what do they usually say?1650.9006 
1491DTA_se3_ag3_f_011651.1348Oh. Trick or treat.1652.2248
1492DTA_int_011652.9377Uh-huh.1653.1879
1493DTA_se3_ag3_f_011653.3222<laugh>1653.5479
1494DTA_int_011653.8530And uh.1654.3229
1496 1654.6463Do y-1654.9116 
1498 1655.1008Do you- Do they have a name for the night before Halloween?1657.1817 
1499DTA_se3_ag3_f_011658.6608Oh. Is that1659.5700
1501 1659.8630Soaping night?1660.6684 
1503 1661.6805Well they s- [uh soap the windows]1663.4415 
1504DTA_int_011662.2211[Is that what they call it?]1662.8802
1505DTA_se3_ag3_f_011663.6612Well there's one night before Halloween where they1665.1303
1507 1665.2112go around and put soap on people's windows, you [know.]1667.1899 
1508DTA_int_011667.1167[I] see.1667.4828
1509 1667.7513But the- do they have a special name for it?1669.1470
1510DTA_se3_ag3_f_011670.0379Well, I- if- if there is, I don't know.1671.7482
1511DTA_int_011671.8642Oh.1672.1144
1513 1672.3402Okay.1672.6819 
1515 1673.2918Uh. There are quite a few different1674.6221 
1517 1674.8845uh, customs of this- I guess you call 'em customs.1676.9627 
1518DTA_se3_ag3_f_011677.0386[Uh-huh.] Oh.1678.0787
1519DTA_int_011677.3242[<laugh>]1677.5683
1521 1678.0665From1678.3379 
1522 1678.5120good or bad.1678.9391
1523DTA_se3_ag3_f_011679.1182Oh.1679.3989
1524DTA_int_011679.4395Um.1679.6714