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3 1.5013Two.2.0335 
5 2.5137Three.3.0581 
7 3.4217Four.4.0456 
9 4.4096Five.4.9886 
11 5.4372Six.6.0856 
13 6.2473Seven.6.9202 
15 7.5105Eight.7.9723 
17 8.3271Nine.8.9725 
19 9.1648Ten.9.6755 
22 11.2935Uh, to start with Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/- /?/ Mrs. /RD-NAME-1/,13.7619 
24 14.1100I'm gonna have to ask you to reminisce a little bit back when you were in grade school.17.0864 
26DTA_int_0818.1641What kind of games did the children play then?20.0466
29 20.4959The same ones they play today. Hopscotch,22.8266 
31 23.9146and24.5705 
33 25.3804baseball,26.1444 
35 26.5295kickball,27.2161 
37 27.8731jacks,28.6450 
39 29.6456circle games,30.7112 
41 30.9923farmer in the dell,32.0039 
43 32.8412same things.33.6409 
46 34.4018Uh, did you play the game where everybody goes and hides?36.3044 
47DTA_se3_ag3_f_0236.8640<ts> Hide and seek? [Yes.]38.1995
49 38.1995How do you play that?38.7923
50DTA_se3_ag3_f_0239.6256A person goes to the tree or post and42.5184
52 43.0168hides his eyes.44.1872 
54 44.5295And45.1091 
56 47.5092I think there's a little verse you say49.2643 
58 52.5577or you count.53.5417 
60 54.6500And then, um,55.8205 
62 57.8494ready or- ready or not, I think you call out.60.4514 
64 61.3774And then, uh, the person looks.63.4422 
66 64.5821The person who was hiding his eyes will look for the ones67.8755 
68 68.8045who hid.69.3444 
70DTA_se3_ag3_f_0270.4110And then the person who72.3078
72 72.9281runs and touches the post is not out.75.8609 
74 76.3682And if the person who had his eyes closed,79.2160 
76 80.1933um,80.9994 
78 81.6470I guess82.2643 
80 82.8083he has to do it again or something like [that.]85.1696 
82 85.5913When you play the game for the first time,87.3912
84 87.7417how did you decide who was gonna be the person to count?90.3200 
85DTA_se3_ag3_f_0290.8762Who would be it?91.8083
87 93.5461I don't know, I don't remember [this.]95.1872 
88DTA_int_0895.1139[Did] you say any rhymes or anything, putting your hands or your feet in?97.7699
89DTA_se3_ag3_f_0298.5967Eenie meenie miney moe?99.8120
90DTA_int_0899.9342How's that go?100.5760
91DTA_se3_ag3_f_02100.7777Eenie meenie miney moe, catch a tiger by the toe, if his104.1811
93 104.7679father let's him go,106.2521 
95 109.5088out goes Y-O-U.111.0313 
97 111.4117That's i- that isn't right.112.8755 
99DTA_se3_ag3_f_02113.4867Eenie meenie /hepperdigs/ diddly a diddly /a dominics hochie cochie/-117.3644
101 117.8120I don't remember.118.8144 
103DTA_se3_ag3_f_02119.6670Out [goes] Y-O-U.120.7570
105 121.0351did you ever play marbles?122.1597
106DTA_se3_ag3_f_02122.9604Not me.123.5339
109 124.2521How do you play jacks?125.1053 
110DTA_se3_ag3_f_02125.7342You throw the ball up126.9923
112 127.1207and pick up128.3710 
114 128.4898the jack129.4819 
116 129.6409before130.5118 
118 130.7930the ball bounces.131.7587 
120DTA_se3_ag3_f_02133.4629And then you134.0100
122 134.6089have to pick up two at a time,136.5546 
124 136.7257and then three at a time.138.0870 
126 138.4758You throw the jacks and leave them in the position that they fall.141.6115 
128 142.5302And, um,143.6395 
130 144.3750pick them up145.1354 
132 145.9977each number u- uh, getting larger.148.3560 
134DTA_se3_ag3_f_02148.8021[Until] you pick them all up150.0183
136DTA_se3_ag3_f_02150.4422[at] once,151.1207
138DTA_se3_ag3_f_02151.7655before the ball bounces.153.0877
141 153.9587And, uh, did you ever hear of the game called tackle tackle pom pom?157.0595 
143DTA_int_08158.6548Pom pom pull away?159.5429
147 161.3492Did you play any kind of game with bottle caps?163.0870 
150 164.8565I think the boys used to put them on the bicycle or167.0619 
152 167.4151stick them in their caps.168.8373 
155 171.5254Did you ever play a game called may I?172.8270 
156DTA_se3_ag3_f_02174.0847That's giant steps, isn't it?175.7188
157DTA_int_08175.7899Okay, how do you play that?176.8479
160 181.0198there's a teacher182.0191 
162 183.2650and several children184.4904 
164 185.0894and there are several steps that you can take. Like scissor steps,188.2269 
166 188.6731or giant steps, or fairy steps,191.1169 
168 191.6028baby steps.192.6500 
169DTA_int_08193.5179What's a fairy step?194.3797
172 196.2167they're something, uh,197.3492 
174 198.6439dainty,199.3071 
176 200.3369I think, and you turn around.201.8273 
177DTA_int_08201.9465Mm-hm. Okay.202.6891
178DTA_se3_ag3_f_02202.9030Something dainty like that. And you have to say, may I,205.6738
180DTA_se3_ag3_f_02207.0154or you will have to, um,208.7471
182 209.2208stay where you were.210.1213 
185 210.9342Okay.211.2796 
187 211.6982Uh, did you ever play any ball games?213.1117 
189DTA_int_08215.8860How do you play that?216.4476
190DTA_se3_ag3_f_02217.3437You roll the ball to the person at home plate, and they will kick.220.7902
192 221.4164And you run to the base.222.6806 
194DTA_se3_ag3_f_02223.2857I imagine it would be like baseball.225.0307
197 225.8212Mkay.226.2086 
199 226.5302And, uh, do you watch television often?228.0835 
200DTA_se3_ag3_f_02228.3139Not too often.229.1787
201DTA_int_08229.4232Uh, any special programs that you always watch?231.5583
204 235.5302If someone refers a program to me,237.8731 
205DTA_int_08238.4935Mm, mm-hm.238.9448
206DTA_se3_ag3_f_02238.9794I'll watch that.240.1738
208DTA_se3_ag3_f_02240.4422[But,] uh,241.2826
209 242.3461television requires a lot of time.244.6585
211 245.0283<laugh>245.3094 
213 246.6500And I usually don't.247.8663 
216 248.9135Uh,249.1244 
218 249.4239is there one program that you saw on television /recently/ that you can tell me about?252.8456 
221 253.0748Recently- last week I saw Today255.5767 
223 256.0442when I was feeding my grandbaby.257.7037 
225 258.4055And I thought it was quite interesting. Um,260.7972 
227 261.0296<ts>261.1397 
229 261.2833they were discussing the race problem263.2544 
231DTA_se3_ag3_f_02263.8687and interviewed people from all walks of life.266.5692
233 266.7067Uh, regular citizens,268.4507 
235 268.8419middle class citizens, Negroes,271.0534 
237 272.1475Negro leaders,273.2562 
239 274.2643politicians.275.4195 
241 276.8823And I thought this was quite interesting. They were279.0113 
243 279.3414quite interested in the attitude and the interpretation of the use of the term Black Power.284.3431 
245DTA_se3_ag3_f_02285.6194And I thought it was very good.286.9122
247DTA_se3_ag3_f_02288.5155And, uh, a couple of days after that they had Senator291.7295
249 292.3071Dirksen on.293.2663 
251 293.8290This was interesting, he's interested in getting prayer296.6089 
253 296.7862back into the schools.298.0259 
255 298.6554So I think that's a pretty good program, if you're in the hospital301.1573 
257 301.8938<laugh> and have a television.303.4942 
259 304.0167Or if you're feeding a baby and have time to sit and watch it.306.7570 
262 307.8724Hm, okay. Do you go to the movies often?309.9464 
264 310.2884Or at all?310.7838 
265DTA_se3_ag3_f_02311.0374We go occasionally, [yes.]312.5950
267 313.0351Can you tell me about a movie that you saw,314.7587
269 314.9502that you enjoyed?315.6752 
270DTA_se3_ag3_f_02316.3132<ts> I enjoyed A Patch of Blue.318.0846
272DTA_se3_ag3_f_02318.3689[I thought] it was adorable.319.7349
273DTA_int_08319.8113What was it about?320.4397
274DTA_se3_ag3_f_02320.8809It was-321.1549
276 321.3230again, the race question. A blind,323.4256 
278 323.5692white girl and a Negro boy.325.4065 
280 326.2391And he was interested in her r- I didn't get the feeling that he had any romantic interest, if he did he held this back.332.6115 
282 333.4025But I thought it told a334.8419 
284 335.5299story of the race problem quite well,338.2208 
286 338.8035and presented all views.340.1390 
288DTA_se3_ag3_f_02341.7434We saw, um,343.0809
290 343.7013<ts>343.8388 
292 344.7648A Thousand Clowns, which was a- delightful.347.1230 
295 349.8174What was this story about?350.9073 
296DTA_se3_ag3_f_02351.0032This was about a man who was trying353.1780
298 354.2252to be an individual. He didn't want to conform356.7083 
300 357.7936to what was expected of him359.6759 
302 360.3108by society.361.2062 
304DTA_se3_ag3_f_02362.1200And I think in the end he found that conforming somewhat would be better than trying to be an individual.367.3284
306DTA_se3_ag3_f_02367.7563It was real cute.368.8604
308DTA_se3_ag3_f_02371.2514We saw372.1580
310 372.9434this-373.2215 
312 373.9877wa- The Shop on Main Street.375.6958 
314 376.8144Which was quite a depressing378.9098 
316 379.0014thing. Again, about the,380.3461 
318 382.0442um,382.6857 
320 385.1267question of, um,386.6302 
322 389.7159discrimination.390.7042 
324 391.3071Again, s- this time a religious group. The Jews.394.7582 
326 395.4867It was pretty sad.396.5708 
327DTA_int_08401.3217Do w- do you have any pets?402.4275
330 403.5790We have a404.0222 
332 404.6548kitten- mother kitten who'd just had kittens s-406.8877 
334 407.3033yesterday.407.9940 
335DTA_int_08408.2466Mm-hm. How many did she have?409.2612
336DTA_se3_ag3_f_02409.4568We don't know because, uh, I didn't let her in the house, uh,412.9733
338 414.0143Monday evening.415.0198 
340 415.1298Today's Thursday.416.2361 
342 417.4239Wednesday- Tuesday evening she wanted to come in,419.6211 
344 420.0663and I didn't let her in because I thought it was near her time.422.7678 
346 423.8334Her first litter she had in the basement,425.7342 
348 426.3169under a couch.427.8082 
350 428.5325And I didn't know where she was going to have them this time, and I said the garage would be nice or the dog house would be nice.434.1924 
352 434.7373But we don't know where she had them.436.0901 
354 436.5240And we didn't see her yesterday at all and438.4300 
356 438.7967she came home this morning to eat.440.5264 
358 441.1030So we're trying to watch her to find out where they are.443.4745 
360DTA_se3_ag3_f_02444.6531After she ate this morning, she went upstairs and got in the corner in my closet.448.4171
362 448.9121I think she thinks this would be a good place451.0962 
364 451.8113to bring them.452.4256 
365DTA_int_08452.6700Bring them back with [her.]453.8181
366DTA_se3_ag3_f_02453.4789[Mm-hm.] <ts> Last time she had three.455.1047
368DTA_se3_ag3_f_02456.5980One that looked like her and two black ones.459.3206
370DTA_se3_ag3_f_02460.5699She's a genuine alley cat.461.9716
373DTA_int_08464.2697And, uh,464.5498
375 464.7974can you recall as a child, is there any way that you could make a wish?468.4086 
376DTA_se3_ag3_f_02469.1237Yes, when you break the wishbone471.4007
378 471.8761in, uh, foul. Turkey.473.3828 
380DTA_se3_ag3_f_02473.7923[Or chicken.]474.3383
382DTA_se3_ag3_f_02475.1481And the person who gets the biggest end476.9477
384 478.3712is the one to make the wish.479.6914 
386 480.8700Or if you-482.2147 
388 483.9098something about a star.485.0833 
390 485.1933Birthday. If you blew out all the candles on the birthday, you can make a wish.488.6313 
393 490.1359Mm-hm.490.4740 
395 490.6412Did you ever put anything underneath your pillow?491.8714 
397 492.6194Bye-bye.493.1115 
400 494.7250Uh,495.2099 
402 496.5943your tooth497.5111 
404DTA_se3_ag3_f_02498.1580went under the pillow.499.1237
406 500.0863But I didn't know there was a wish connected to- with [this.]502.4232 
407DTA_int_08502.3651[No,] there isn't.503.1843
408 503.7379/inaudible/504.2717
410DTA_int_08505.1573/In general/ line of [wish and fairytale.]507.2405
412 507.3291Mm-hm.507.7210
415 508.6310And what happens when you put the tooth under?510.2710 
416DTA_se3_ag3_f_02510.3505Uh, well a fairy comes and leaves a-512.3247
418 513.3169<ts>513.4208 
420 513.6103a coin.514.2154 
423 515.0894Okay.515.4225 
425 515.7678And, uh,516.3658 
427 516.5522uh, let's go to school now. Uh, when you were in school what kind of subjects did you study?520.6190 
430 522.8486In elementary school?523.8205 
432DTA_se3_ag3_f_02524.5814That same ones they have today.526.0962
433DTA_int_08526.1634Such as?526.7379
436 529.3498handwriting,530.0741 
438 531.6072arithmetic.532.6035 
440 533.1322Not- we call it math today, but it was arithmetic then.536.1444 
442 536.4958Spelling,537.2069 
444 537.7845today we call it language arts.539.4255 
445DTA_int_08541.9610/Is/ there one [on?]542.6068
446DTA_se3_ag3_f_02542.5142[W-] we call, uh, reading,544.6829
447 545.8534writing, and spelling, English,549.0877
449 549.7294all of those are the language arts551.3919 
451 551.5753subjects.552.3038 
453DTA_se3_ag3_f_02553.0992[They] should be, uh,554.3461
454 555.0588<ts>555.1724
456 558.3719related.559.1149 
458DTA_se3_ag3_f_02560.1413Not spelling, just for spelling's sake,561.9586
460 562.0962[but should] relate to something563.7220 
462 564.0968Mm-hm.564.4758
463DTA_se3_ag3_f_02565.1023that's being taught.566.0527
465 567.4850We had, uh,568.4537 
467 570.0388civics,570.9211 
469 571.1481and this is called social studies today.573.2772 
471DTA_se3_ag3_f_02574.8480We had general science, and this is called science today.578.0558
473 580.7746We had gym,581.6609 
475 582.2466and I guess this is still gym.583.6585 
477 585.1824We had auditorium,586.4751 
479 586.6035they still have auditorium in some schools but it's disappearing.589.8456 
481 591.4086I think that's about it.592.6340 
484 593.2911And, uh, when you look around the classroom, what kind of things do you see?595.9335 
485DTA_se3_ag3_f_02596.8656In the classroom?597.7363
487DTA_se3_ag3_f_02598.5729You mean, uh,599.3583
488DTA_int_08599.7637You can say, like [/r/-]600.5387
492 602.0924furniture, things on the walls.603.6041 
493DTA_se3_ag3_f_02604.3009You see blackboards,605.6914
495 606.0092I think they are called slateboards now608.0833 
497DTA_se3_ag3_f_02608.7189[instead] of the blackboard. Or chalkboard.610.8907
498 611.1199[I think] this is the612.0673
501DTA_int_08612.2160[is] that-612.8089
502 613.2734does that have any relation to the color change in them?615.5098
504 615.6500Do you know?616.0564 
506 616.7257With the black to the green?617.9512 
508 618.0663Or do [/unintelligible/?]618.8056 
509DTA_se3_ag3_f_02618.5155[I think] the green is, uh, and I620.4928
510 620.8350say621.2649
512 621.3999t- uh,621.8761 
514 622.7502has to do with, uh,623.9605 
516 625.2367being able to see better, I think. I'm not [sure.]628.1481 
518 628.2153But I mean, is this why they started calling- do they call [the green ones] chalkboards and the black ones blackboards, or?632.8615
520 633.3994I don't know. I- the- just think the modern terminology is [chalkboard.]637.4965
523 637.3682[Mm-hm.]637.7200 
524DTA_se3_ag3_f_02637.7227[Rather than] blackboard.638.9054
525DTA_int_08637.8154[I see.]638.2310
526 638.9471Mm-hm.639.2983
527DTA_se3_ag3_f_02639.5369And I see your point that t- perhaps they're using [green now.]642.7427
528DTA_int_08642.1567[/That/ they're not] black [anymore.]643.4232
529DTA_se3_ag3_f_02643.3468[Yes,] that maybe this is why. I don't know.645.5094
532 646.2306Mm-hm.646.5049 
534 646.9946And, uh, what do the children sit [at?]648.3342 
535DTA_se3_ag3_f_02648.2955[Desk] and649.7563
536 650.8799in the lower grades, we used, uh, tables and chairs.653.9500
539 654.6347And, uh, when you walk outside of the classroom,656.6609 
541 656.8350what would you be standing in?658.0193 
542DTA_se3_ag3_f_02658.6249The hallway?659.3040
545 659.8412And as you walk down the hallway, what kind of things might you see?662.1544 
546DTA_se3_ag3_f_02662.5447Drinking fountains,663.8700
548 665.4286lockers.666.1671 
550 667.6524And then some of the new schools, I don't think you see lockers anymore.670.5668 
553 674.3461And, uh, outside the school building is there any place for the children to [play?]677.4500 
555DTA_int_08678.4125Is there anything in the playground for them to play on?680.4529
556DTA_se3_ag3_f_02681.2221<laugh> Not in Detroit.682.7074
559 683.1535How about in the [parks?]684.0001 
561 685.3590slides,686.2055
563 686.5417sandboxes.687.7012 
564DTA_int_08690.3413Things that go like this?691.3406
566DTA_int_08695.2452And things the kids climb all over?696.7569
567DTA_se3_ag3_f_02697.9396The slides?698.7036
569 698.8259Jungle gym.699.6867 
570DTA_int_08699.8333What do they look like?700.4458
571DTA_se3_ag3_f_02701.1749They're made out of, uh, steel rods.703.6340
573 703.9549Bent,704.4653 
575 704.6425curved,705.2038 
577 706.1848I think,706.6768 
579 706.7960iron?707.3063 
582 708.8058Okay, I don't [know.]709.7135 
584 710.0038pipes.710.5569
585DTA_int_08710.6456It's something. <laugh>711.3688
587 711.8150[And, uh,]712.3592 
589DTA_int_08713.3522when you were in school714.2802
591 714.4361can you recall if you ever had a teacher who used to holler a lot?716.8408 
592DTA_se3_ag3_f_02722.0833<ts> I don't think so. I think we had724.2031
594 724.4262teachers that we thought were mean.726.3985 
596DTA_se3_ag3_f_02727.2581But, uh,728.0924
598 728.2452I guess the teachers did scream now and then.731.3950 
600DTA_se3_ag3_f_02731.9053But, uh, my school life is characteristic by that. I think there's more screaming nowaday.736.8449
603 737.6395What kind of things did they scream about then?739.4008 
607 742.4109Mm-hm. Did you ever get screamed at?743.5197 
608DTA_se3_ag3_f_02744.5919I don't think so.745.5599
609DTA_int_08745.6676Did you ever get screamed at when it wasn't your fault?747.4962
610DTA_se3_ag3_f_02749.8014I don't think so.750.7810
611DTA_int_08750.9403Okay. Can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had?752.8239
612DTA_se3_ag3_f_02757.0809No, I don't.758.3400
614 758.9053I can remember my teachers and incidents,761.8809 
616 762.7539but, um,763.6035 
618 763.8021I can't think of any that I would feel, uh,766.5973 
620 768.6194were better than others.770.0344 
622 770.8289I can remember a teacher-772.1267 
624 772.2490two teachers that I think773.7281 
626 774.3199took a particular interest776.1719 
628 776.3369in me.776.9756 
630 777.2619Um, Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/ that I had in high school779.4622 
632 780.5338for English,781.4965 
634 782.7006and783.2832 
636 783.8914a- I think she was Ms. /RD-NAME-1/.786.1873 
638 786.5675In elementary school that I had for literature.789.0031 
640 790.4782And, um,791.7403 
642 794.2911I thought they were nice.795.6316 
645 798.5675Did you ever have a teacher that you just couldn't stand?800.5101 
646DTA_se3_ag3_f_02805.6248No, I don't think so.807.1545
648 807.7661I've had teachers that I thought were unfair.810.0999 
650DTA_se3_ag3_f_02811.1053But, uh,811.9855
652 812.2972I don't think I ever-813.4330 
654 815.0619I'm- I've ever been in a situation where I couldn't in some way818.1627 
656 818.5539work it out.819.3810 
659 821.3552Uh, you said they were unfair. In what way?823.2337 
660DTA_se3_ag3_f_02826.4720Well I had a Mr.827.9960
662 828.1029/RD-NAME-2/829.1023 
664 830.1169who called the report cards in832.9304 
666 833.5967by834.3078 
668 836.1413honor point.837.1732 
670DTA_se3_ag3_f_02837.7967[And] I thought this was unfair to the student who didn't do well.841.0809
672DTA_se3_ag3_f_02841.8724That it perhaps would be [embarrassing]843.7233
674DTA_se3_ag3_f_02844.4445to the person.845.3063
676DTA_se3_ag3_f_02847.1206And, um,848.4286
678 849.2160now who was the other teacher that I thought was unfair.851.5294 
680 853.7226Uh, music teacher.855.2557 
682 857.0160I thought857.4255 
684 857.9603her /beka/- behavior- her behavior indicated that maybe, um,861.7936 
686 863.2147she863.9654 
688 864.0907disliked children.865.4104 
690 866.5111Not for any special reason but maybe because of race.869.7709 
693 871.4170Did other kids in your class ever play any tricks on the teachers?874.1976 
694DTA_se3_ag3_f_02876.2771I think876.7478
696 876.9495in- when I went to school, children879.1579 
698 880.1206thought of teachers as being someone special, maybe, and883.3888 
700 884.3308they didn't play tricks.885.5613 
701DTA_int_08885.6163How about like for April Fool's Day?887.0466
702DTA_se3_ag3_f_02887.4805No. I don't think they had the same relationship that they have890.9751
704 891.4452today with teachers.892.6149 
706DTA_se3_ag3_f_02892.7776[Children] do that today.893.9837
708DTA_se3_ag3_f_02894.5736But not when I went to school.896.0955
712 899.6761/RD-NAME-2/.900.3077 
714 900.6683I can walk /unintelligible/.901.4521 
716 905.7892He didn't take- Uncle /RD-NAME-2/ didn't take you home?908.1475 
718DTA_se3_ag3_f_02909.7753Oh, alright.910.9396
719DTA_int_08914.1688And, uh,914.8220
721 915.2496did you- can recall someone who was in your-916.9579 
723 917.6150in your estimation was the smartest kid in your class?919.6218 
724DTA_se3_ag3_f_02920.4011Yes, in high school it was /RD-NAME-5/.922.9480
727 923.7984What was it about her that you felt made her smart?926.0316 
728DTA_se3_ag3_f_02926.3033She always knew the answers. She always had her homework.929.1767
730DTA_se3_ag3_f_02930.0877She was very popular.931.8021
732DTA_se3_ag3_f_02932.2483And, uh,933.1103
733 933.8669was a hard worker.934.7501
736 935.5264Did, uh, the children get any special favors or prizes or anything for being the smartest?939.4910 
737DTA_se3_ag3_f_02941.3491Yes, they- uh, not prizes, but awards, recognition.945.4208
739DTA_se3_ag3_f_02945.8455Honor roll.946.6004
741DTA_se3_ag3_f_02947.2819Type of um,948.2405
743 949.4079thing.949.8479 
746 950.6761Can you recall anyone in your class who, uh, putting it crudely, was the dumbest?954.8089 
747DTA_se3_ag3_f_02957.5736Yes, I think, um,959.3797
749 961.4323I can remember-962.5997 
751 963.7294maybe not specifically, but I can remember that children, uh,967.1632 
753 967.6218had difficulties getting their [studies.]969.8584 
755 970.4690Would the, uh, teacher do anything to these children?972.5907
758 976.9243I don't remember that anybody was embarrassed for not, uh, being able981.5644 
760 982.5851to understand or to achieve.984.7355 
762DTA_se3_ag3_f_02985.3284Uh, this doesn't stand out in my mind.987.2863
764DTA_se3_ag3_f_02987.6591Other than, uh,988.6554
766 989.1291the teacher who called in the report cards by991.8082 
768 991.9518[performance.]992.9053 
770DTA_se3_ag3_f_02993.5338And this was at the h- junior high level.995.6109
772 995.7148We called it intermediate school then,997.4445 
774 997.6737it's about the seventh or eighth grade.999.1060 
776DTA_se3_ag3_f_021000.3467But I don't remember, uh,1002.1052
778 1002.7264the slow readers or1004.1587 
780 1004.4897the group tours, as we call them today.1006.7410 
783 1007.7179Mm-hm.1008.0038 
785 1008.6286And, uh, what time did you get out of school?1010.3797 
786DTA_se3_ag3_f_021011.8119Three fifteen.1012.7685
789 1013.6731And when you were in school, did you have a group of friends that you always palled around with?1016.9226 
790DTA_se3_ag3_f_021018.9457In elementary school.1020.3627
791DTA_int_081020.6225Or in high [school.]1021.5280
792DTA_se3_ag3_f_021021.2398[I did.] Not in high school.1022.8656
795 1023.7905And, uh, were all around the same age, basically?1025.8922 
796DTA_se3_ag3_f_021026.7814I think so.1027.5820
799DTA_int_081028.1994Do you see any of these friends today?1029.5888
800DTA_se3_ag3_f_021030.3345<ts> Yes.1031.1806
802 1031.3002I have, uh, I'm still very friendly with the girl that I lived in the neighborhood with and went to high school with.1037.1535 
806 1038.7447In elementary school,1040.4891 
808 1042.9274no.1043.5691 
810 1043.8717Because we no longer live in that area,1046.2299 
812 1046.9084uh, some of the girls are teachers now. It was a Polish neighborhood that I lived in.1051.3927 
814 1052.2544And1052.8259 
816 1052.9318I have1053.5983 
818 1053.8761seen those girls1055.0343 
820 1055.3063on the streets1056.4360 
822 1056.6897and one in particular is a school teacher that I see now and then at meetings.1060.1359 
825 1061.0802Mm-hm.1061.3063 
827 1062.0306Do-1062.2557 
829 1062.4696you basically- your- your new friends, would you say they're from the neighborhood or from work or?1066.5729 
830DTA_se3_ag3_f_021066.7104People that I went to school with.1068.3994
833 1070.2972Mm-hm.1070.4927 
835 1071.1415[And-]1071.5386 
839 1072.9427As a child, were any of your1074.5277 
841 1075.4506friends1076.0374 
843 1076.3705white children, or Jewish children, or Catholic children?1079.1865 
846 1079.7097Polish.1080.3323 
848 1080.7539We lived in a Polish neighborhood.1082.2727 
851 1082.9199Did any of the children speak a different language besides English?1085.3216 
852DTA_se3_ag3_f_021085.7067The children that I played with were children of, um,1089.4788
854 1090.0136immigrants.1090.8907 
856DTA_se3_ag3_f_021092.1549Their parents were born in Europe,1094.1678
858DTA_se3_ag3_f_021095.2007and, um,1096.2489
860 1096.9274they were born here.1098.0144 
862DTA_se3_ag3_f_021099.3192[And] I remember that they talked funny. Is this what you asked me?1102.3589
864DTA_se3_ag3_f_021102.9090They [couldn't pronounce their threes.]1104.7814
865DTA_int_081103.0466[Did they speak any.]1104.1457
866DTA_se3_ag3_f_021104.8669They said1105.3987
868 1106.4500three-1107.3744 
870 1107.5660tree.1108.0533 
873 1108.8510Mm-hm.1109.0955 
874DTA_se3_ag3_f_021109.1474And they had a strange way of saying, borrow me a pencil, instead of,1112.9603
876 1113.1151uh,1113.4421 
878 1114.7410lend me a pencil or may I borrow a pencil. It was borrow me a pencil.1119.2710 
880DTA_se3_ag3_f_021119.9494When I went to high school it was with Jewish children, and, um,1123.3657
882 1124.5141I was not friendly with anyone there.1126.1481 
884DTA_se3_ag3_f_021126.5515[It] was1127.1205
885 1127.5019the-1127.8676
887 1128.0907this neighborhood.1129.1847 
889DTA_se3_ag3_f_021129.9946And, u- o-1130.6761
891 1130.9572I was out classed, uh, financially and mentally.1134.8455 
893DTA_se3_ag3_f_021135.3070[And] I was miserable1136.4041
894 1137.4269in my high school1138.4017
896 1138.8815days.1139.4330 
898 1142.2024And I don't, um,1143.2985 
900 1143.7080remember1144.4017 
902 1145.0343too much about1145.7158 
904 1146.8150these people, except that they were all absent on the holidays. And they did real well in their studies.1152.1732 
906 1152.9005And they seemed quite financially secure, because even in the days of the depression, which I know you don't remember,1158.1121 
908 1158.6163they came up in chauffeured cars.1160.5276 
910 1161.0968And the girls wore beautiful clothing and1163.3552 
912 1164.3260it was a silk stocking school.1165.9243 
913DTA_int_081166.2849Mm-hm, I see.1167.1819
914DTA_se3_ag3_f_021167.4880Highly competitive.1168.8231
917DTA_int_081172.7922And, uh, of your group of friends1174.3651
919 1174.5423was there someone who you might say was the leader of the group?1176.9830 
922 1177.8815/RD-NAME-5/ was at /RD-SCHOOL-4/ and she was a leader and an organizer.1182.3352 
925 1183.2122Why did everybody follow her [especially?]1185.0728 
926DTA_se3_ag3_f_021184.9450[Well] she, uh, was aggressive.1186.9042
928DTA_se3_ag3_f_021188.0540As I said before, she knew all the answers. She was1191.3168
930 1191.8455a participant in everything there was to participate in, from the Spring Festival to1197.3321 
932 1197.9036certain school [clubs] and activities.1200.4727 
934 1200.6133And, uh, what if somebody new came into the area. Could they get into the group1203.6988
936 1203.8639with /her/?1204.3181 
937DTA_se3_ag3_f_021205.4805I am told1206.5613
939 1207.4812that it was very difficult to break into the clique1211.0469 
941DTA_se3_ag3_f_021211.3552[at] /RD-SCHOOL-4/.1212.4030
942 1212.8547My husband taught with, um,1214.8656
944 1215.1396<ts>1215.2527 
946 1216.1022a Jewish1216.7988 
948 1217.4591fellow who also went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and he was a poor Jew.1221.0234 
950DTA_se3_ag3_f_021221.9372And he was miserable at this school.1223.7698
953 1226.0221Mm-hm.1226.2906 
954DTA_se3_ag3_f_021226.4591And, uh,1227.6330
956 1227.8944so I imagine that there were1230.3107 
958 1230.8547very strong cliques [based] on income and class.1234.9365 
960 1235.0832Mm-hm. I see.1235.8503
962 1236.4207And, uh,1237.0607 
964 1237.4048can you remember what you wanted to be when you were in grade school?1240.1777 
965DTA_se3_ag3_f_021241.5233I wanted to be a nurse.1242.9097
967 1243.1725I wanted to be a dress maker.1244.6920 
969 1245.5888I never wanted to be a school teacher.1247.3032 
971 1248.3810I wanted to be a social worker1249.8815 
973 1250.2452most of all.1250.9572 
976 1252.4078Did you achieve any of these goals?1253.7969 
977DTA_se3_ag3_f_021253.9725Yes, I did social work for,1255.9549
979 1256.8014um,1257.4299 
981 1258.2734five or six years.1259.6027 
983DTA_se3_ag3_f_021261.3620And I'm still interested in social work, although I teach.1264.5117
985 1265.4499I'm making plans to move into what we call the visiting teacher department.1269.9720 
987DTA_se3_ag3_f_021270.6890Which is a combination of social work and mental hygiene.1274.3693
989DTA_se3_ag3_f_021276.2611And, um,1277.2421
991 1278.1029I think I'm going to do this.1279.6492 
994 1280.5416And, uh, along the line of social work, what exactly did you do?1283.6081 
995DTA_se3_ag3_f_021285.2397I worked for the state.1286.5233
997DTA_se3_ag3_f_021287.1029[They] had a program1288.5148
998 1290.0459designed to give aid to1291.9762
1000 1292.2849unmarried mothers and widowed mothers1294.6167 
1002 1296.4543of little children.1297.4528 
1004DTA_se3_ag3_f_021298.2268And at that time,1299.4696
1006 1299.9341the thought was it was better to have the mother in the home1302.8700 
1008 1302.9800with the children, rather than1304.5844 
1010 1304.8411working.1305.4054 
1012DTA_se3_ag3_f_021305.9555And this grant was provided.1307.7739
1014 1308.5766We also gave aid to the blind1311.3565 
1016 1311.8516and the, uh,1313.4102 
1018 1313.6119aged.1314.1701 
1020DTA_se3_ag3_f_021314.7141[There] were three [programs.]1316.0740
1022DTA_se3_ag3_f_021316.4346These programs are still, um,1318.0472
1024 1319.3460active today except they've been, uh,1321.5423 
1026 1322.1565reshaped.1322.9684 
1028DTA_se3_ag3_f_021323.9005And I think1324.4475
1030 1324.8204more or less mothers are encouraged to work if they can and make plans for their children,1329.1426 
1032 1329.5063and the income1330.3528 
1034 1330.6920received is deducted1331.8821 
1036 1332.2099from the check1332.9127 
1038 1333.2031granted by the state.1334.4123 
1040DTA_se3_ag3_f_021335.0509This is a state program.1336.2489
1041DTA_int_081336.6003Mm-hm. I see.1337.3119
1043 1337.9531And, uh,1338.6255 
1045 1338.8669if you had your whole life to live all over again, would you do anything different than what you've done?1342.2122 
1046DTA_se3_ag3_f_021347.5093I don't think so.1348.4842
1049 1350.4604What about if you had all the money that you could ever want?1352.7941 
1050DTA_se3_ag3_f_021353.7722What would I do with it?1354.5667
1052 1356.4177I'd probably1357.4475 
1054 1357.7868give it away.1358.4591 
1056DTA_se3_ag3_f_021360.1236I couldn't enjoy it. <laugh>1361.2635
1058DTA_se3_ag3_f_021362.0693<laugh> I couldn't enjoy it as long as1363.9663
1060 1364.3919there were needs1365.2710 
1062 1365.3688to be met.1365.9402 
1065 1367.0068Okay. And your husband, what does he do?1368.6017 
1066DTA_se3_ag3_f_021368.9311He's a school principal.1370.1574
1069 1370.8890Uh, what exactly does he do as a principal?1372.9946 
1070DTA_se3_ag3_f_021373.4591He administrates and tries to keep the teachers happy and stimulate the children to learn.1378.7531
1072DTA_se3_ag3_f_021379.5447To keep abreast of new ideas, new materials.1383.1518
1074DTA_se3_ag3_f_021384.5209And mainly I think, um,1386.2587
1076 1388.5233keeping a happy staff1390.2024 
1078DTA_se3_ag3_f_021391.7250is one of the big things.1393.1114
1081 1393.6156Mm-hm.1393.8725 
1083 1394.5447And, uh, this part of town that you live in. Does it have a special name?1398.0020 
1085DTA_int_081399.5209This certain area, the city in you're [in?]1400.9430
1087DTA_int_081401.4543Uh-huh. And what city is this?1402.5392
1091 1403.9562And, uh,1404.6136 
1093 1404.7416can you tell me what some of the main or big streets of Detroit are?1407.7147 
1094DTA_se3_ag3_f_021407.9188<ts> Woodward Avenue,1408.8632
1096 1411.3803Gratiot Avenue,1412.5599 
1098 1412.9786Grande River Avenue, are the three main streets here.1415.5477 
1100DTA_se3_ag3_f_021416.3963And, um,1417.2764
1102 1418.7402all other streets1419.7294 
1104 1419.9097branch out in some way.1421.3580 
1106DTA_se3_ag3_f_021421.7739[West] Grand Boulevard1422.8608
1107 1423.3742circles the city,1424.4224
1109DTA_se3_ag3_f_021425.0000[in] a semi-circle.1425.9097
1113 1427.9073the three main streets in1429.7837 
1115 1429.9671n-1430.1260 
1117 1430.7708touch.1431.2190 
1119 1431.6316West Grand1432.1786 
1121 1432.6920Boulevard and East Grand Boulevard.1434.4788 
1123 1434.8761Woodward divides the city1436.1657 
1125 1436.6883into east and west.1438.4675 
1128 1439.5145Mm-hm.1439.8026 
1129DTA_se3_ag3_f_021439.7647And the streets-1440.9616
1130 1442.8594when west- when the boulevard-1444.4048
1132 1444.8020when Grand Boulevard crosses Woodward, it becomes west or east,1448.1050 
1134 1448.4988vice versa.1449.1885 
1135DTA_int_081449.4207Uh-huh, I see.1450.0651
1137 1450.5239And, uh, they have these things here1452.0632 
1139 1452.4574that-1452.6224 
1141 1452.9097that look like highways but they don't call them highways.1454.9226 
1144 1456.1725Well1456.7256 
1146 1457.6394originally they were [expressways]1459.6126 
1148DTA_se3_ag3_f_021460.5508and now I think we call them [freeways.]1462.5622
1149DTA_int_081462.5178[Uh-huh.] Do you know the names of any of them?1463.9868
1150DTA_se3_ag3_f_021464.6621John Lodge,1465.8215
1152 1466.4255Willow Run-1467.0031 
1154 1467.6407or is it Ford?1468.5423 
1156 1470.8944Willow Run and1471.7195 
1158 1472.5447Lodge, I think.1473.4734 
1161 1473.9770Okay.1474.2244 
1163 1474.7501And, uh, where were you born?1475.8255 
1164DTA_se3_ag3_f_021476.1334Albany, Georgia.1477.1175
1167 1478.0526Have you ever lived any place else besides Detroit and Albany?1480.7379 
1169DTA_int_081482.2893<clears throat> Excuse me. Have you ever lived in any place else besides this house?1485.5796
1171DTA_int_081486.5851Where else have you lived?1487.3857
1172DTA_se3_ag3_f_021488.1243We lived in, um,1489.6706
1174 1492.2795well it wasn't the Hamtramck area, but we lived near Hamtramck.1495.4567 
1176DTA_se3_ag3_f_021495.9212It was called North Detroit.1497.4752
1178DTA_se3_ag3_f_021498.5637This is where I grew up1499.7056
1180 1499.9778and where I started to school.1501.4292 
1184 1503.9372there were1504.4353 
1186 1504.9976Negroes1505.7637 
1188 1505.8920in the area,1506.7141 
1190 1507.3253but predominantly in the section that we lived there were Polish people.1510.6818 
1193 1513.1175And,1513.5209 
1195 1513.7684uh, do y- have you ever gone outside of Detroit on trips?1516.0502 
1196DTA_se3_ag3_f_021516.6217Last summer we stayed for a month in Columbia, South Carolina.1520.9684
1198DTA_se3_ag3_f_021521.4543[It] was quite an interesting experience.1523.4266
1199 1524.4574My husband was with the University of South Carolina there at Columbia.1528.0991
1201DTA_se3_ag3_f_021529.3980And he had never been south other than when he was stationed in Petersburg, Virginia in the Army.1534.2000
1203DTA_se3_ag3_f_021535.2574So it was good for him,1536.5229
1205DTA_se3_ag3_f_021537.4261and it was nice for me to get back1539.2007
1207 1540.1969in the area.1541.0740 
1209DTA_se3_ag3_f_021544.0832Although I was raised here and never went to school in the south.1547.2205
1212 1549.0197And, uh,1549.4322 
1214 1549.7440does anything special happen here at home for the holidays?1552.3040 
1216 1555.2030Uh, like the one that comes December twenty fifth?1557.2771 
1219DTA_se3_ag3_f_021558.8295We always have1559.4866
1221 1560.2832a tree,1560.8883 
1223DTA_se3_ag3_f_021561.4384[and] presents,1562.3976
1225DTA_se3_ag3_f_021563.1884and dinner.1563.8760
1228 1564.8081Do you cook anything special, like eggnog for Christmas?1567.0232 
1229DTA_se3_ag3_f_021567.0232No, we don't make eggnog.1568.9403
1230 1569.3168<laugh> We have turkey1570.4139
1232DTA_se3_ag3_f_021572.1365and we, uh, make Christmas cookies.1574.5064
1235 1575.6866Do you have any customs or anything that you celebrate?1577.8054 
1237 1578.2832/you know/?1578.7599 
1238DTA_se3_ag3_f_021579.6981No, we make, uh, a lot out of birthdays.1582.7195
1240DTA_se3_ag3_f_021583.8594And my little ones are very disappointed if, uh,1586.4252
1242 1586.8013we don't have a birthday cake.1588.2657 
1244DTA_se3_ag3_f_021589.2910And when my birthday comes up, they wanna know if I'm gonna make my own birthday cake. (laughing)1593.1212
1246 1593.5704When are you gonna get busy?1594.9076 
1249 1596.7294Uh-huh.1597.1531 
1251 1597.7226And, um,1598.7311 
1253 1599.1233what was the best Christmas present you've ever got?1601.0842 
1254DTA_se3_ag3_f_021604.0589I think a doll.1605.1300
1256 1605.2793It seems to me I never had a lot of dolls when I was little,1608.1508 
1258DTA_se3_ag3_f_021609.4717and when I got the doll I was really too big to enjoy it.1612.5818
1261 1614.0591Mm-hm.1614.2710 
1263 1614.7044And there's another holiday that comes around the end of October.1617.5117 
1264DTA_se3_ag3_f_021618.0833<ts> Halloween?1618.7011
1267 1619.1109What happens then?1619.7563 
1268DTA_se3_ag3_f_021620.3099The children dress up, and their father1622.5513
1270 1623.6035takes them out. And1624.5573 
1272DTA_se3_ag3_f_021625.0314very happy about this.1626.5178
1273DTA_int_081626.5974What do they say when the ring the doorbell?1628.0039
1274DTA_se3_ag3_f_021628.4963Trick or [treat.]1629.3710
1275DTA_int_081629.2334[What] did you say?1630.0905
1276DTA_se3_ag3_f_021630.8509We didn't say that.1631.9061
1277DTA_int_081632.4807What did you say?1633.2331
1278DTA_se3_ag3_f_021633.3371We went begging but we didn't say that.1635.6830
1280DTA_se3_ag3_f_021636.6888I don't know1637.4443
1282 1638.0805what we said.1638.9527 
1283DTA_int_081639.4136Uh, did you say, help the poor?1640.7833
1286 1642.3065Help the poor.1643.1507 
1287DTA_int_081643.1507[Okay, uh,]1643.9704
1289DTA_int_081644.0835how- how old is your oldest child?1645.7684
1291DTA_int_081647.2732What did he say?1648.0905
1293 1648.3983He, she?1648.9926 
1295 1649.8756He.1650.0529 
1296DTA_se3_ag3_f_021651.3616Trick or treat.1652.3455
1297DTA_int_081653.4077He did?1653.7438
1301 1655.2944Okay.1655.6615 
1303 1656.0499And, uh, some people buy those big orange things that they sit on the front porches.1659.4719 
1306 1660.9855[And.]1661.3222
1307DTA_se3_ag3_f_021661.0559[We always] have a pumpkin and we do what with it /RD-NAME-2/?1664.0861
1308misc1664.6890Cut it open and take it all outside and I cut the eyes there.1668.9034
1310 1669.0543/?/1669.2454 
1312 1669.7898See k- I cut the eyes and the nose and you cut the mouth.1673.2914 
1313DTA_se3_ag3_f_021673.4871And we put a candle inside1675.1720
1315DTA_se3_ag3_f_021675.7959[to light it.]1676.4626
1316misc1675.8204[You wasn't here] when we did it.1677.5668
1317DTA_se3_ag3_f_021679.0528Where was I?1679.8278
1318misc1680.1998You were at the supermarket, I think.1682.9275
1321DTA_int_081686.0101And, uh, some of the girls like to get dressed up like those ugly things that ride on the brooms.1689.7630
1322DTA_se3_ag3_f_021690.6521The witches?1691.3862
1323misc1692.9311[My mom's] a witch.1694.2241
1327 1695.8023And, uh,1696.4045 
1329 1696.6858do the [children ever tend to get into any] /physical/-1699.1335 
1331DTA_se3_ag3_f_021699.6032Pardon me?1699.9610
1332DTA_int_081700.4168children. Do they tend get [/inaudible/?]1703.1407
1333DTA_se3_ag3_f_021702.0343[No, my children] have been everything else but not fighters.1705.3799
1336 1706.2822How about when you lived as a child?1707.7598 
1337DTA_se3_ag3_f_021708.5818I think I got in a couple of fights once.1710.8036
1340 1711.3983What kind of things do the fights start about?1713.0254 
1341DTA_se3_ag3_f_021713.5148Well I think once I was defending my little sister.1716.2915
1343 1716.8753I think this was the only time.1718.1966 
1345DTA_se3_ag3_f_021720.4778And, um,1721.4596
1347 1724.6523we were not1725.2456 
1349 1725.4108taught to fight when we were called names.1727.9367 
1351DTA_se3_ag3_f_021728.3618Instead we1729.1658
1353 1729.8723were taught to feel sorry for these children, because1732.7561 
1355 1733.3525they hadn't been taught manners.1734.9797 
1357DTA_se3_ag3_f_021735.5634And I use this philosophy with my children. I think it's pretty good.1738.5879
1360 1740.4934Were there, uh-1741.4656 
1362 1742.2822I noticed that in speaking of this, you always use the word1744.9702 
1364 1745.3005Negro when you do1746.5423 
1366 1746.8263specify yourself or- like in the movies and everything.1749.7407 
1368 1750.1842Is, uh- of all the different terms that Negro, colored, Black. Would Negro be the one that you would prefer to be1754.7716 
1370 1755.4658called? If it had to be narrowed [down?]1757.5269 
1371DTA_se3_ag3_f_021757.3434[Oh,] I don't [know. You see,] when you speak of colored people1760.8021
1373 1760.8113[Uh-huh.]1761.0988
1374DTA_se3_ag3_f_021760.9520[I] understand that1762.0658
1375 1762.3340this refers to anyone who isn't white.1764.3221
1377 1764.9517So this would take in Mexicans,1767.0652 
1378DTA_int_081767.0805We were always [told in school] that1768.6303
1380DTA_int_081769.8878white was the absence of color, so we were the colored people.1773.1429
1382 1774.3251In a Polish school, this /the thing they taught us/.1776.3955 
1383DTA_se3_ag3_f_021776.7503[In the Polish- are you] Polish?1777.9488
1384DTA_int_081776.8416[Black people-]1777.4869
1385 1777.9488yes. They'd say,1778.5972
1387 1778.8511Black people aren't the colored people.1780.5188 
1389 1780.7090We are the colored people, cause white is the absence of color.1784.3770 
1391 1784.8240And black is,1785.8486 
1393 1786.2270uh,1786.4166 
1395 1786.5573colored people- or something like that.1788.1814 
1397DTA_int_081788.5144[But anyway] they always told us that we were [the colored people.]1790.9795
1398DTA_se3_ag3_f_021790.3617[Is that right?]1791.6139
1400DTA_se3_ag3_f_021792.3738[Then] what does that makes us then? [The Blacks.]1794.3496
1402DTA_se3_ag3_f_021795.1169Well [I have heard-]1796.2883
1403DTA_int_081795.3646[I know /?/.]1795.8237
1405 1796.1124[<laugh>]1796.3617 
1406DTA_se3_ag3_f_021796.5880I have heard that to- uh,1798.3035
1408 1799.2057I've heard, um,1800.3557 
1410 1802.6064Negroes refer to as Blacks.1804.8479 
1412 1805.9184But I don't really don't know.1807.2484 
1414DTA_se3_ag3_f_021807.9243Because we were taught there is a red race,1810.3799
1416 1810.6399yellow race, black race,1812.2832 
1418 1812.5270and white [race.]1813.5053 
1420 1814.7746Mm-hm.1815.0896
1421DTA_se3_ag3_f_021815.8084But today with all the talk,1817.6492
1423 1817.8969it narrows down to, uh, white and non-white.1820.9092 
1426 1822.7317Mm-hm.1823.0872 
1427DTA_se3_ag3_f_021823.3739But I think Negroes1824.9368
1429 1825.0557really specifies a group of people.1827.4719 
1431DTA_se3_ag3_f_021828.0741The American Negro.1829.2638
1432 1829.8572You don't even call the Africans Negro, you see, they're Africans.1833.1110
1435 1835.7899Mm-hm.1836.1339 
1436DTA_se3_ag3_f_021836.3435So I really think this is the most accurate description.1838.9887
1439 1840.3249Mm-hm.1840.5634 
1441 1840.9243Would there be any names from1842.7013 
1443 1843.2086certain list that you would just abhor being called?1845.4934 
1445 1846.9672You would just-1847.4412 
1446DTA_se3_ag3_f_021847.5972You mean like nigger?1848.5454
1448DTA_se3_ag3_f_021852.0374Yes, I wouldn't want to be called nigger. It would be upsetting.1855.2484
1450DTA_se3_ag3_f_021855.9549We had some very good white friends who were quite fond of us,1859.2180
1452 1859.7501and in telling a story once he said,1861.4626 
1454 1861.7011there's a nigger in the wood pile.1863.0684 
1456 1864.5451And I was a little taken back. I don't know if he ever realized that I was a little upset.1869.0835 
1458 1869.7350But I sort of had the feeling that you never assume that anyone is that well adjusted.1873.8356 
1460DTA_se3_ag3_f_021874.8572Although, I think when you can laugh and tell jokes it means that you1878.4016
1462 1878.6769feel pretty secure about who you are.1880.5941 
1464DTA_se3_ag3_f_021880.9673[Maybe,] I don't know.1881.9729
1465DTA_int_081882.0150When you're with [friends. <laugh>]1883.5683
1468DTA_se3_ag3_f_021884.5301But, um,1885.5971
1470 1885.9966I have learned not1887.7594 
1472 1888.3432to get upset, though.1889.5880 
1474DTA_se3_ag3_f_021890.3517But more, you just really feel sorry for people1893.3924
1476 1894.0894who, um,1894.9733 
1478 1895.1293aren't mature enough or secure enough within themselves1899.0554 
1480 1899.5759to accept other people.1900.7164 
1482DTA_se3_ag3_f_021901.3066Because I think this is what it is.1902.7961
1484DTA_se3_ag3_f_021903.3310[Really,] it is.1904.1140
1486DTA_se3_ag3_f_021907.6859So it's been a long time1909.7102
1488 1910.7134since I've been called that.1911.8053 
1490 1912.3065And I don't think these children, um,1914.2303 
1492 1916.1354will have it.1917.0346 
1494 1917.4536My son said at Michigan State that, um,1919.9581 
1496 1920.3863there was quite a racial,1921.5940 
1498 1923.1263um,1923.8053 
1500 1925.0283I shouldn't say it was quite a- I was gonna say it was a racial difference, but he said that you were made to feel1929.3985 
1502 1930.1169outside of the group.1931.1629 
1505DTA_int_081932.2273[When] did your son go there?1933.4197
1508 1935.8512it's been about three years now.1937.1568 
1510 1937.9092He should have graduated in June and did not.1940.2088 
1512DTA_se3_ag3_f_021941.1844So I would say it's been four years. Three and four years ago.1944.0652
1514 1944.4383And I have a friend whose son went to University of Michigan,1946.9703 
1516DTA_se3_ag3_f_021947.8114and this has only been two years ago. It w-1949.9489
1518 1950.3037she said that he1951.0526 
1520 1951.2178felt, uh- he was made to feel, um,1953.5759 
1522 1953.6860out of place in a certain restaurant.1955.4596 
1524 1956.5270That their1957.4013 
1526 1957.5481remarks were unbearable,1959.4016 
1528 1960.7561and he avoided eating here.1962.0223 
1530 1962.3374This is quite recent.1963.6062 
1531DTA_int_081965.5545I'd be surprised to hear that at Michigan State, because there was1967.8954
1533 1968.2915so much in this interacial dating going on that it would-1971.3802 
1535 1971.7380you know what I [mean?] (laughing)1972.5632 
1536DTA_se3_ag3_f_021972.1536[He said] that, um,1973.7110
1537 1974.1722uh, mim- Negroes had been mimicked1976.4884
1539 1977.0713by groups.1977.7625 
1541DTA_se3_ag3_f_021979.2271Just standing and talking and, uh,1981.3860
1543 1981.8448when a group of, um,1983.2028 
1545 1983.9949boys would pass1985.2895 
1547 1986.0132or1986.5117 
1549 1986.8665kids, uh, someone would mimic.1989.1537 
1551DTA_se3_ag3_f_021990.8632Make derogatory remarks1992.8023
1553 1993.5757at Michigan State.1994.6003 
1555DTA_se3_ag3_f_021997.0069But when you think that these students come from all over the state,1999.9641
1557 2002.4166it was- it isn't too hard to understand.2004.5148 
1560 2010.1997/What do you mean?/2010.7796 
1561DTA_se3_ag3_f_022011.5298Well you just-2012.2210
1563 2012.6125uh, you would either go along with the person- with whom you are friendly,2016.0132 
1565 2017.9977or you, uh, you get a reaction from what you read in the newspaper.2021.4993 
1567DTA_se3_ag3_f_022021.7287[Or what] you see.2022.6432
1569DTA_se3_ag3_f_022024.0772And you would form your attitude2025.8818
1571 2026.0802from this.2026.7753 
1573DTA_se3_ag3_f_022027.9214Until you had an opportunity to associate or2031.1600
1575 2031.4505make, um,2032.5665 
1577 2033.0864a decision for yourself.2034.4291 
1579DTA_se3_ag3_f_022035.4166I read in the paper just last night, a letter from a Mr.2038.8540
1581 2039.3372/RD-NAME-3/.2040.1508 
1583DTA_se3_ag3_f_022041.1046And he was saying that he could not understand2043.6799
1585 2044.4135why2044.9427 
1587 2045.1935the colored people2046.6418 
1589 2047.1505wanted to move where they weren't wanted.2049.1936 
1591 2049.3159And how proud he was to live in2051.0844 
1593 2051.3007a Polish ghetto.2052.2395 
1595 2052.5637He felt very secure2054.0252 
1597 2054.4320from the Anglo-Saxon world.2056.1663 
1599 2056.4747This is what he said.2057.4045 
1601 2058.1508And he said that there were many successful2060.6034 
1603 2061.1967Negroes and many successful white people, and these people had gained2065.3414 
1605 2066.0834their success, because2068.4900 
1607 2069.2485of hard work.2070.1477 
1609 2071.7377I [don't write letters.]2073.1018 
1610misc2071.9671[/Where was daddy born?/]2073.5312
1611DTA_se3_ag3_f_022073.3679[Excuse] me.2074.0050
1612 2075.0436Chicago.2075.6836
1613misc2076.0621Yeah, [Chicago.]2077.3733
1614DTA_se3_ag3_f_022077.1046[I don't] write letters, but I'm very happy that I'm having this opportunity to answer this on tape.2082.2870
1615 2083.3952I wanted to write and tell him that I have been a good,2086.2881
1617 2086.4258clean, [quiet Negro all of my life.]2089.0312 
1618misc2087.1659[/unintelligible/ mommy] and poppy born?2091.2107
1619DTA_se3_ag3_f_022092.5542Poppy was born in Florida and mommy was born in Georgia.2095.7928
1621 2097.8599To tell him that although I had the characteristics that he said were so necessary for gaining respect,2104.0893 
1623 2104.3768he said that2105.3840 
1625 2105.9917no law could change2107.4716 
1627 2107.6093attitudes about [Negroes.]2109.6830 
1628misc2108.7440[Where did mom /unintelligible/?]2109.9552
1629 2110.1994I forgot.2110.8148
1630DTA_se3_ag3_f_022111.0222Pardon me?2111.4504
1631misc2111.6920Where's mommy? I forgot.2113.0924
1632DTA_se3_ag3_f_022113.2300Where was she born?2113.9702
1634 2114.2118In Georgia.2114.7892 
1637 2116.3279Mommy's born in Georgia.2118.0529 
1638DTA_se3_ag3_f_022118.0529He said no law could change the attitude2120.9380
1639 2121.1661about Negroes. Only the Negroes could do that themselves2124.3022
1641 2124.4536by2124.8420 
1643 2125.0163working hard and being [industrious.]2127.0688 
1644misc2126.9061[Granny /born/?]2128.0225
1645DTA_se3_ag3_f_022128.5114[Granny was born in St. Louis.]2130.4092
1646misc2128.5481[/mommy and daddy, mommy and daddy/.]2130.4405
1648misc2132.9734/RD-NAME-2/ threw up.2134.0129
1649DTA_se3_ag3_f_022134.4472Could you take care of it for me?2135.7685
1651 2136.5465Get some tissue.2137.4564 
1653 2139.3740Um-2139.8878 
1655 2142.1171um.2142.8084 
1657 2144.1537He felt that, uh,2145.2731 
1659 2146.4533respect2147.2621 
1661 2147.9673would be given to Negroes when they earned it.2149.7741 
1663DTA_se3_ag3_f_022151.4994And I wanted to tell him-2152.8387
1664misc2152.8754No, what happened?2153.8767
1666 2154.3068see, /unintelligible/ and, um,2155.9946 
1668 2156.1568/unintelligible/ /RD-NAME-2/ on himself and now he threw up on him.2158.7744 
1669DTA_se3_ag3_f_022158.8907Get a towel and take care of it, will you /RD-NAME-2/?2161.1388
1671 2162.9153Um,2163.4719 
1673 2164.2820I wanted to say that I had been a good, quiet, clean Negro all of my life.2168.8945 
1675 2169.4903And still when we wanted a house or wanted a job,2172.7004 
1677 2173.0037people took one look and said no.2175.0957 
1679 2177.4075And I w- wonder if he really realizes that2179.6215 
1681 2179.7877this isn't the way,2181.2731 
1685 2186.5849respect would be given.2187.9123 
1687DTA_se3_ag3_f_022189.4075And I think this is why so many of the young people are rebelling today.2192.9887
1689 2193.5790Because they have been clean and quiet. <laugh>2196.0272 
1691 2196.8268And wore white shirts at the right time and wore ties,2199.5912 
1693 2199.9032and they were still denied2201.2093 
1695 2201.8480some of the freedoms that were2203.6187 
1697 2204.4993just theirs.2205.4056 
1699 2206.4808Because they were born.2207.9088 
1701DTA_se3_ag3_f_022209.3891And, um,2210.3759
1703 2211.1691a very fine2212.1719 
1705 2212.4043Polish2212.9965 
1707 2213.6186assistant principal, Ms. /RD-NAME-1/,2215.2912 
1709 2215.7316she was such a wonderful person and we used to talk and talk.2218.7989 
1711 2219.4962And one day she said, um,2221.5603 
1713 2221.9212the same thing.2222.8113 
1715 2224.2789That you have to earn it.2225.8235 
1717 2226.9670And I was talking with my husband about it, and-2229.2395 
1719 2229.7594and he gave me the idea, he says, what did she do to earn hers?2233.3357 
1721 2234.4809You see, and this is the answer.2235.8267 
1723DTA_se3_ag3_f_022236.8234And I also wanted to tell this man, if I wrote a letter,2239.7805
1725 2240.1170that would he want somebody to look at his hair or his eyes2243.4320 
1727 2245.1811and just say no?2246.2424 
1729 2247.5545Without even-2248.3493 
1731 2248.5206even2249.0803 
1733 2249.2730probing further.2250.1966 
1735 2252.0252And I think it's very fine when people want to live together and band together.2255.9367 
1737 2256.4903But with Negroes2257.5439 
1739 2257.7530just being the same color isn't enough.2259.6187 
1741 2261.2179Some2261.5819 
1743 2261.7287people are individuals and they want2263.4777 
1745 2264.1353things that are different.2265.1508 
1747DTA_se3_ag3_f_022265.6248[And] being the same color2266.9151
1748 2267.3219isn't enough2268.3648
1750 2269.1291to give people a feeling one oneness.2271.4107 
1752DTA_se3_ag3_f_022273.4412So that's the answer to Mr. /RD-NAME-3/'s letter. <laugh>2275.9640
1754 2277.1202He was very [bitter.]2278.4305 
1755DTA_int_082277.2456[/unintelligible/ /And you'll help me/ /inaudible/.]2279.7103
1756DTA_se3_ag3_f_022278.8172[He was very bitter] about this housing [business.]2281.8723
1758DTA_se3_ag3_f_022283.5239But [I think-]2284.2840
1759DTA_int_082283.6917[/Put this up/] on2284.5220
1760 2284.6613radio tomorrow. <laugh>2285.9498
1763 2287.0067/RD-NAME-2/ put him back in the playpen.2288.8510 
1765 2289.8844[Uh,]2290.1138 
1766misc2290.0342[But] he'll start [crying.]2291.3281
1767DTA_se3_ag3_f_022291.2729[well] he won't, uh, cry too long.2293.5053
1771 2295.6467it's too bad I didn't get him set up.2297.1160 
1772DTA_int_082297.3249<laugh> That's okay.2298.5092
1773DTA_se3_ag3_f_022299.8295Put him back, will you /RD-NAME-2/?2301.1232
1775 2301.3343And then I'll take care of him. /Alright/?2303.0134 
1778 2306.8388Alright.2307.1140 
1780 2307.5820And, uh,2307.9266 
1782 2308.1076have you ever been in the hospital?2309.5207 
1783DTA_se3_ag3_f_022309.9742Just to have babies.2311.0170
1786 2311.7939Uh, can you recall the worst illness you ever had?2313.9681 
1787DTA_se3_ag3_f_022314.3106Strep throat in nineteen fifty.2316.0050
1788DTA_int_082316.3476Can you tell me what happened?2317.5767
1789DTA_se3_ag3_f_022319.3751I had just started to teach school [and I] guess, um,2322.7509
1791DTA_se3_ag3_f_022322.8763using my voice2324.0538
1793 2324.9286too much made it the weakest part of my body.2327.5983 
1795DTA_se3_ag3_f_022328.5831And I had a very serious throat infection, which was strep throat, and I was really sick. I have never been this sick.2335.2189
1797 2335.7143I had2336.0141 
1799 2336.3352fever and chills at the same time.2338.3504 
1801DTA_se3_ag3_f_022339.4667And I was sick for about a week.2340.8025
1803DTA_se3_ag3_f_022341.9346I was not in the hospital, I went for medication and2344.6226
1805 2344.9009I was given an antibiotic.2346.4695 
1807DTA_se3_ag3_f_022347.4177Which caused my face to break out in fever blisters.2351.3680
1809 2351.8521But I was2352.4604 
1811 2352.7417just miserable.2354.0043 
1814 2355.5582Mm-hm.2355.8733 
1815DTA_se3_ag3_f_022356.1179Other than that I haven't been ill.2357.9622
1818 2358.8365Have you ever been- excuse me,2360.0118 
1820 2360.1884car accident?2360.8643 
1821DTA_se3_ag3_f_022361.2375Pardon me?2361.5643
1822DTA_int_082361.8457Have you ever been in a car accident?2363.4545
1826 2365.0384Have you seen any bad one?2366.4178 
1829 2368.3534Thankfully.2368.9529 
1830DTA_int_082369.2924Have you ever been in a situation where you thought you were gonna get killed or die?2373.1488
1832DTA_int_082374.9376Ever dream about dying?2376.0377
1833DTA_se3_ag3_f_022377.2433Yes, I think so.2378.4115
1834DTA_int_082379.6744Can you tell me what you dreamt?2380.7388
1835DTA_se3_ag3_f_022381.0049No, it's-2381.9163
1837 2382.5586/or it/-2383.1210 
1839 2383.5400probably being in tense situations, feeling that harm will come to you or that you are going to be harmed,2388.9069 
1841DTA_se3_ag3_f_022389.9376and, um,2390.9564
1843 2392.0476running to get away. Maybe2393.9194 
1845DTA_se3_ag3_f_022395.3290from a group or from people who are going to harm you.2398.5736
1847 2399.6625Being2400.3292 
1849 2400.6683somewhere and not being able to handle the situation. I can't remember specifically.2405.2832 
1851DTA_se3_ag3_f_022406.2069But, uh,2406.9314
1853 2407.0782always relieved upon awaking.2409.0815 
1856 2409.9589And, uh,2410.4973 
1858 2410.8336it- sometimes2411.5983 
1860 2411.7787when people talk about fate,2413.3333 
1862 2413.6042something's gonna happen to you,2414.8215 
1864 2415.0182it's gonna happen regardless.2416.2892 
1866 2416.6807What do you think about that?2417.5950 
1867DTA_se3_ag3_f_022420.3444That maybe this is true.2421.5342
1870 2422.4421Did you ever have any incidents that made you feel this way?2424.7743 
1871DTA_se3_ag3_f_022425.6195No, but I'm beginning to think that, uh,2427.8121
1873 2429.6839as human beings maybe we don't have as much control over our lives [as we] would like.2434.9590 
1875 2435.2740Mm-hm.2435.5952
1876DTA_se3_ag3_f_022437.0445And I guess maybe I'm a pessimist. When I look at all of the misery in the world, I wonder why it was ever2443.0935
1878 2443.3412created.2443.9162 
1880DTA_se3_ag3_f_022444.8460The harm that comes to little children2446.9605
1882DTA_se3_ag3_f_022448.3659they are born here2449.6012
1884 2450.8154and2451.3869 
1886 2451.5184in some countries the parents are helpless.2454.0356 
1888 2454.2436Not able to provide for their needs.2456.5371 
1890DTA_se3_ag3_f_022457.0937[Not] able to protect them from war.2459.2190
1891 2460.7172And2461.3595
1893 2462.2802it seems so unfair2463.5005 
1895 2463.7631that children who can't handle their2466.6290 
1897 2466.8365needs2467.3871 
1899 2467.8214would be in situations like [this.]2469.7050