Line | Speaker | St Time | Content | En Time |
1 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 0.5165 | One. | 1.0548 |
3 | | 1.5013 | Two. | 2.0335 |
5 | | 2.5137 | Three. | 3.0581 |
7 | | 3.4217 | Four. | 4.0456 |
9 | | 4.4096 | Five. | 4.9886 |
11 | | 5.4372 | Six. | 6.0856 |
13 | | 6.2473 | Seven. | 6.9202 |
15 | | 7.5105 | Eight. | 7.9723 |
17 | | 8.3271 | Nine. | 8.9725 |
19 | | 9.1648 | Ten. | 9.6755 |
20 | DTA_int_08 | 10.6359 | Okay. | 11.0090 |
22 | | 11.2935 | Uh, to start with Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/- /?/ Mrs. /RD-NAME-1/, | 13.7619 |
24 | | 14.1100 | I'm gonna have to ask you to reminisce a little bit back when you were in grade school. | 17.0864 |
25 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 17.3920 | Okay. | 17.7682 |
26 | DTA_int_08 | 18.1641 | What kind of games did the children play then? | 20.0466 |
27 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 20.2972 | <ts> | 20.3736 |
29 | | 20.4959 | The same ones they play today. Hopscotch, | 22.8266 |
31 | | 23.9146 | and | 24.5705 |
33 | | 25.3804 | baseball, | 26.1444 |
35 | | 26.5295 | kickball, | 27.2161 |
37 | | 27.8731 | jacks, | 28.6450 |
39 | | 29.6456 | circle games, | 30.7112 |
41 | | 30.9923 | farmer in the dell, | 32.0039 |
43 | | 32.8412 | same things. | 33.6409 |
44 | DTA_int_08 | 33.8365 | Okay. | 34.2617 |
46 | | 34.4018 | Uh, did you play the game where everybody goes and hides? | 36.3044 |
47 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 36.8640 | <ts> Hide and seek? [Yes.] | 38.1995 |
48 | DTA_int_08 | 37.7930 | [Mm-hm.] | 38.0789 |
49 | | 38.1995 | How do you play that? | 38.7923 |
50 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 39.6256 | A person goes to the tree or post and | 42.5184 |
52 | | 43.0168 | hides his eyes. | 44.1872 |
54 | | 44.5295 | And | 45.1091 |
56 | | 47.5092 | I think there's a little verse you say | 49.2643 |
58 | | 52.5577 | or you count. | 53.5417 |
60 | | 54.6500 | And then, um, | 55.8205 |
62 | | 57.8494 | ready or- ready or not, I think you call out. | 60.4514 |
64 | | 61.3774 | And then, uh, the person looks. | 63.4422 |
66 | | 64.5821 | The person who was hiding his eyes will look for the ones | 67.8755 |
68 | | 68.8045 | who hid. | 69.3444 |
69 | DTA_int_08 | 69.5767 | Mm-hm. | 69.9312 |
70 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 70.4110 | And then the person who | 72.3078 |
72 | | 72.9281 | runs and touches the post is not out. | 75.8609 |
74 | | 76.3682 | And if the person who had his eyes closed, | 79.2160 |
76 | | 80.1933 | um, | 80.9994 |
78 | | 81.6470 | I guess | 82.2643 |
80 | | 82.8083 | he has to do it again or something like [that.] | 85.1696 |
81 | DTA_int_08 | 84.8857 | [Mm-hm.] | 85.1949 |
82 | | 85.5913 | When you play the game for the first time, | 87.3912 |
84 | | 87.7417 | how did you decide who was gonna be the person to count? | 90.3200 |
85 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 90.8762 | Who would be it? | 91.8083 |
87 | | 93.5461 | I don't know, I don't remember [this.] | 95.1872 |
88 | DTA_int_08 | 95.1139 | [Did] you say any rhymes or anything, putting your hands or your feet in? | 97.7699 |
89 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 98.5967 | Eenie meenie miney moe? | 99.8120 |
90 | DTA_int_08 | 99.9342 | How's that go? | 100.5760 |
91 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 100.7777 | Eenie meenie miney moe, catch a tiger by the toe, if his | 104.1811 |
93 | | 104.7679 | father let's him go, | 106.2521 |
95 | | 109.5088 | out goes Y-O-U. | 111.0313 |
97 | | 111.4117 | That's i- that isn't right. | 112.8755 |
98 | DTA_int_08 | 112.9641 | Huh. | 113.1505 |
99 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 113.4867 | Eenie meenie /hepperdigs/ diddly a diddly /a dominics hochie cochie/- | 117.3644 |
101 | | 117.8120 | I don't remember. | 118.8144 |
102 | DTA_int_08 | 119.0650 | Okay. | 119.4378 |
103 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 119.6670 | Out [goes] Y-O-U. | 120.7570 |
104 | DTA_int_08 | 119.7964 | [Um,] | 120.0165 |
105 | | 121.0351 | did you ever play marbles? | 122.1597 |
106 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 122.9604 | Not me. | 123.5339 |
107 | DTA_int_08 | 123.7264 | Mm-hm. | 124.1482 |
109 | | 124.2521 | How do you play jacks? | 125.1053 |
110 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 125.7342 | You throw the ball up | 126.9923 |
112 | | 127.1207 | and pick up | 128.3710 |
114 | | 128.4898 | the jack | 129.4819 |
116 | | 129.6409 | before | 130.5118 |
118 | | 130.7930 | the ball bounces. | 131.7587 |
119 | DTA_int_08 | 131.9278 | Uh-huh. | 132.2517 |
120 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 133.4629 | And then you | 134.0100 |
122 | | 134.6089 | have to pick up two at a time, | 136.5546 |
124 | | 136.7257 | and then three at a time. | 138.0870 |
126 | | 138.4758 | You throw the jacks and leave them in the position that they fall. | 141.6115 |
128 | | 142.5302 | And, um, | 143.6395 |
130 | | 144.3750 | pick them up | 145.1354 |
132 | | 145.9977 | each number u- uh, getting larger. | 148.3560 |
133 | DTA_int_08 | 148.6035 | [Mm-hm.] | 148.9286 |
134 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 148.8021 | [Until] you pick them all up | 150.0183 |
135 | DTA_int_08 | 150.2344 | [Mm-hm.] | 150.5871 |
136 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 150.4422 | [at] once, | 151.1207 |
137 | DTA_int_08 | 151.1634 | Mm-hm. | 151.4782 |
138 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 151.7655 | before the ball bounces. | 153.0877 |
139 | DTA_int_08 | 153.1060 | Okay. | 153.5736 |
141 | | 153.9587 | And, uh, did you ever hear of the game called tackle tackle pom pom? | 157.0595 |
142 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 157.4385 | Never. | 157.8541 |
143 | DTA_int_08 | 158.6548 | Pom pom pull away? | 159.5429 |
144 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 159.9373 | Never. | 160.3651 |
145 | DTA_int_08 | 160.9397 | Okay. | 161.2147 |
147 | | 161.3492 | Did you play any kind of game with bottle caps? | 163.0870 |
148 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 163.9886 | Never. | 164.4806 |
150 | | 164.8565 | I think the boys used to put them on the bicycle or | 167.0619 |
152 | | 167.4151 | stick them in their caps. | 168.8373 |
153 | DTA_int_08 | 169.0993 | Mm-hm. | 169.3804 |
155 | | 171.5254 | Did you ever play a game called may I? | 172.8270 |
156 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 174.0847 | That's giant steps, isn't it? | 175.7188 |
157 | DTA_int_08 | 175.7899 | Okay, how do you play that? | 176.8479 |
158 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 177.4575 | Um, | 178.5393 |
160 | | 181.0198 | there's a teacher | 182.0191 |
162 | | 183.2650 | and several children | 184.4904 |
164 | | 185.0894 | and there are several steps that you can take. Like scissor steps, | 188.2269 |
166 | | 188.6731 | or giant steps, or fairy steps, | 191.1169 |
168 | | 191.6028 | baby steps. | 192.6500 |
169 | DTA_int_08 | 193.5179 | What's a fairy step? | 194.3797 |
170 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 194.7923 | Uh, | 195.5767 |
172 | | 196.2167 | they're something, uh, | 197.3492 |
174 | | 198.6439 | dainty, | 199.3071 |
176 | | 200.3369 | I think, and you turn around. | 201.8273 |
177 | DTA_int_08 | 201.9465 | Mm-hm. Okay. | 202.6891 |
178 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 202.9030 | Something dainty like that. And you have to say, may I, | 205.6738 |
179 | DTA_int_08 | 205.8999 | Uh-huh. | 206.2196 |
180 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 207.0154 | or you will have to, um, | 208.7471 |
182 | | 209.2208 | stay where you were. | 210.1213 |
183 | DTA_int_08 | 210.3505 | Mm-hm. | 210.6500 |
185 | | 210.9342 | Okay. | 211.2796 |
187 | | 211.6982 | Uh, did you ever play any ball games? | 213.1117 |
188 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 214.5607 | Kickball. | 215.3125 |
189 | DTA_int_08 | 215.8860 | How do you play that? | 216.4476 |
190 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 217.3437 | You roll the ball to the person at home plate, and they will kick. | 220.7902 |
192 | | 221.4164 | And you run to the base. | 222.6806 |
193 | DTA_int_08 | 222.9577 | Mm-hm. | 223.2415 |
194 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 223.2857 | I imagine it would be like baseball. | 225.0307 |
195 | DTA_int_08 | 225.2650 | Mm-hm. | 225.6176 |
197 | | 225.8212 | Mkay. | 226.2086 |
199 | | 226.5302 | And, uh, do you watch television often? | 228.0835 |
200 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 228.3139 | Not too often. | 229.1787 |
201 | DTA_int_08 | 229.4232 | Uh, any special programs that you always watch? | 231.5583 |
202 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 233.5692 | No. | 234.4667 |
204 | | 235.5302 | If someone refers a program to me, | 237.8731 |
205 | DTA_int_08 | 238.4935 | Mm, mm-hm. | 238.9448 |
206 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 238.9794 | I'll watch that. | 240.1738 |
207 | DTA_int_08 | 240.2099 | [Mm-hm.] | 240.5369 |
208 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 240.4422 | [But,] uh, | 241.2826 |
209 | | 242.3461 | television requires a lot of time. | 244.6585 |
211 | | 245.0283 | <laugh> | 245.3094 |
213 | | 246.6500 | And I usually don't. | 247.8663 |
214 | DTA_int_08 | 247.8816 | Mm-hm. | 248.2067 |
216 | | 248.9135 | Uh, | 249.1244 |
218 | | 249.4239 | is there one program that you saw on television /recently/ that you can tell me about? | 252.8456 |
219 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 252.8609 | <ts> | 252.9712 |
221 | | 253.0748 | Recently- last week I saw Today | 255.5767 |
223 | | 256.0442 | when I was feeding my grandbaby. | 257.7037 |
225 | | 258.4055 | And I thought it was quite interesting. Um, | 260.7972 |
227 | | 261.0296 | <ts> | 261.1397 |
229 | | 261.2833 | they were discussing the race problem | 263.2544 |
230 | DTA_int_08 | 263.4133 | Mm-hm. | 263.7994 |
231 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 263.8687 | and interviewed people from all walks of life. | 266.5692 |
233 | | 266.7067 | Uh, regular citizens, | 268.4507 |
235 | | 268.8419 | middle class citizens, Negroes, | 271.0534 |
237 | | 272.1475 | Negro leaders, | 273.2562 |
239 | | 274.2643 | politicians. | 275.4195 |
241 | | 276.8823 | And I thought this was quite interesting. They were | 279.0113 |
243 | | 279.3414 | quite interested in the attitude and the interpretation of the use of the term Black Power. | 284.3431 |
244 | DTA_int_08 | 284.6273 | Mm-hm. | 284.9814 |
245 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 285.6194 | And I thought it was very good. | 286.9122 |
246 | DTA_int_08 | 287.2147 | Uh-huh. | 287.5448 |
247 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 288.5155 | And, uh, a couple of days after that they had Senator | 291.7295 |
249 | | 292.3071 | Dirksen on. | 293.2663 |
251 | | 293.8290 | This was interesting, he's interested in getting prayer | 296.6089 |
253 | | 296.7862 | back into the schools. | 298.0259 |
255 | | 298.6554 | So I think that's a pretty good program, if you're in the hospital | 301.1573 |
257 | | 301.8938 | <laugh> and have a television. | 303.4942 |
259 | | 304.0167 | Or if you're feeding a baby and have time to sit and watch it. | 306.7570 |
260 | DTA_int_08 | 306.9617 | Mm-hm. | 307.3376 |
262 | | 307.8724 | Hm, okay. Do you go to the movies often? | 309.9464 |
264 | | 310.2884 | Or at all? | 310.7838 |
265 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 311.0374 | We go occasionally, [yes.] | 312.5950 |
266 | DTA_int_08 | 312.4880 | [Mm-hm.] | 312.7509 |
267 | | 313.0351 | Can you tell me about a movie that you saw, | 314.7587 |
269 | | 314.9502 | that you enjoyed? | 315.6752 |
270 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 316.3132 | <ts> I enjoyed A Patch of Blue. | 318.0846 |
271 | DTA_int_08 | 318.2925 | [Mm-hm.] | 318.6030 |
272 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 318.3689 | [I thought] it was adorable. | 319.7349 |
273 | DTA_int_08 | 319.8113 | What was it about? | 320.4397 |
274 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 320.8809 | It was- | 321.1549 |
276 | | 321.3230 | again, the race question. A blind, | 323.4256 |
278 | | 323.5692 | white girl and a Negro boy. | 325.4065 |
280 | | 326.2391 | And he was interested in her r- I didn't get the feeling that he had any romantic interest, if he did he held this back. | 332.6115 |
282 | | 333.4025 | But I thought it told a | 334.8419 |
284 | | 335.5299 | story of the race problem quite well, | 338.2208 |
286 | | 338.8035 | and presented all views. | 340.1390 |
287 | DTA_int_08 | 340.2796 | Mm-hm. | 340.6075 |
288 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 341.7434 | We saw, um, | 343.0809 |
290 | | 343.7013 | <ts> | 343.8388 |
292 | | 344.7648 | A Thousand Clowns, which was a- delightful. | 347.1230 |
293 | DTA_int_08 | 347.3767 | Mm-hm. | 347.7859 |
295 | | 349.8174 | What was this story about? | 350.9073 |
296 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 351.0032 | This was about a man who was trying | 353.1780 |
298 | | 354.2252 | to be an individual. He didn't want to conform | 356.7083 |
300 | | 357.7936 | to what was expected of him | 359.6759 |
302 | | 360.3108 | by society. | 361.2062 |
303 | DTA_int_08 | 361.3712 | Mm-hm. | 361.7108 |
304 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 362.1200 | And I think in the end he found that conforming somewhat would be better than trying to be an individual. | 367.3284 |
305 | DTA_int_08 | 367.4537 | Mm-hm. | 367.7441 |
306 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 367.7563 | It was real cute. | 368.8604 |
307 | DTA_int_08 | 368.9563 | Mm-hm. | 369.3452 |
308 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 371.2514 | We saw | 372.1580 |
310 | | 372.9434 | this- | 373.2215 |
312 | | 373.9877 | wa- The Shop on Main Street. | 375.6958 |
314 | | 376.8144 | Which was quite a depressing | 378.9098 |
316 | | 379.0014 | thing. Again, about the, | 380.3461 |
318 | | 382.0442 | um, | 382.6857 |
320 | | 385.1267 | question of, um, | 386.6302 |
322 | | 389.7159 | discrimination. | 390.7042 |
324 | | 391.3071 | Again, s- this time a religious group. The Jews. | 394.7582 |
326 | | 395.4867 | It was pretty sad. | 396.5708 |
327 | DTA_int_08 | 401.3217 | Do w- do you have any pets? | 402.4275 |
328 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 403.2459 | <ts> | 403.3428 |
330 | | 403.5790 | We have a | 404.0222 |
332 | | 404.6548 | kitten- mother kitten who'd just had kittens s- | 406.8877 |
334 | | 407.3033 | yesterday. | 407.9940 |
335 | DTA_int_08 | 408.2466 | Mm-hm. How many did she have? | 409.2612 |
336 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 409.4568 | We don't know because, uh, I didn't let her in the house, uh, | 412.9733 |
338 | | 414.0143 | Monday evening. | 415.0198 |
340 | | 415.1298 | Today's Thursday. | 416.2361 |
342 | | 417.4239 | Wednesday- Tuesday evening she wanted to come in, | 419.6211 |
344 | | 420.0663 | and I didn't let her in because I thought it was near her time. | 422.7678 |
346 | | 423.8334 | Her first litter she had in the basement, | 425.7342 |
348 | | 426.3169 | under a couch. | 427.8082 |
350 | | 428.5325 | And I didn't know where she was going to have them this time, and I said the garage would be nice or the dog house would be nice. | 434.1924 |
352 | | 434.7373 | But we don't know where she had them. | 436.0901 |
354 | | 436.5240 | And we didn't see her yesterday at all and | 438.4300 |
356 | | 438.7967 | she came home this morning to eat. | 440.5264 |
358 | | 441.1030 | So we're trying to watch her to find out where they are. | 443.4745 |
359 | DTA_int_08 | 443.6945 | Mm-hm. | 444.0573 |
360 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 444.6531 | After she ate this morning, she went upstairs and got in the corner in my closet. | 448.4171 |
362 | | 448.9121 | I think she thinks this would be a good place | 451.0962 |
364 | | 451.8113 | to bring them. | 452.4256 |
365 | DTA_int_08 | 452.6700 | Bring them back with [her.] | 453.8181 |
366 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 453.4789 | [Mm-hm.] <ts> Last time she had three. | 455.1047 |
367 | DTA_int_08 | 455.3889 | Mm-hm. | 455.6975 |
368 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 456.5980 | One that looked like her and two black ones. | 459.3206 |
369 | DTA_int_08 | 459.5278 | Mm-hm. | 460.0076 |
370 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 460.5699 | She's a genuine alley cat. | 461.9716 |
371 | DTA_int_08 | 462.7256 | [<laugh>] | 463.7168 |
372 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 462.9029 | [<laugh>] | 463.3225 |
373 | DTA_int_08 | 464.2697 | And, uh, | 464.5498 |
375 | | 464.7974 | can you recall as a child, is there any way that you could make a wish? | 468.4086 |
376 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 469.1237 | Yes, when you break the wishbone | 471.4007 |
378 | | 471.8761 | in, uh, foul. Turkey. | 473.3828 |
379 | DTA_int_08 | 473.5661 | [Mm-hm.] | 473.8985 |
380 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 473.7923 | [Or chicken.] | 474.3383 |
381 | DTA_int_08 | 474.6133 | Mm-hm. | 474.9558 |
382 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 475.1481 | And the person who gets the biggest end | 476.9477 |
384 | | 478.3712 | is the one to make the wish. | 479.6914 |
386 | | 480.8700 | Or if you- | 482.2147 |
388 | | 483.9098 | something about a star. | 485.0833 |
390 | | 485.1933 | Birthday. If you blew out all the candles on the birthday, you can make a wish. | 488.6313 |
391 | DTA_int_08 | 488.7923 | Mm-hm. | 489.1223 |
393 | | 490.1359 | Mm-hm. | 490.4740 |
395 | | 490.6412 | Did you ever put anything underneath your pillow? | 491.8714 |
397 | | 492.6194 | Bye-bye. | 493.1115 |
398 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 493.4965 | Bye. | 493.9458 |
400 | | 494.7250 | Uh, | 495.2099 |
402 | | 496.5943 | your tooth | 497.5111 |
403 | DTA_int_08 | 497.6517 | Mm-hm. | 498.0398 |
404 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 498.1580 | went under the pillow. | 499.1237 |
406 | | 500.0863 | But I didn't know there was a wish connected to- with [this.] | 502.4232 |
407 | DTA_int_08 | 502.3651 | [No,] there isn't. | 503.1843 |
408 | | 503.7379 | /inaudible/ | 504.2717 |
409 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 504.6011 | Mm-hm. | 504.9831 |
410 | DTA_int_08 | 505.1573 | /In general/ line of [wish and fairytale.] | 507.2405 |
411 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 506.1230 | [Yes.] | 506.7403 |
412 | | 507.3291 | Mm-hm. | 507.7210 |
413 | DTA_int_08 | 507.9770 | Mm-hm. | 508.2730 |
415 | | 508.6310 | And what happens when you put the tooth under? | 510.2710 |
416 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 510.3505 | Uh, well a fairy comes and leaves a- | 512.3247 |
418 | | 513.3169 | <ts> | 513.4208 |
420 | | 513.6103 | a coin. | 514.2154 |
421 | DTA_int_08 | 514.5546 | Mm-hm. | 514.7960 |
423 | | 515.0894 | Okay. | 515.4225 |
425 | | 515.7678 | And, uh, | 516.3658 |
427 | | 516.5522 | uh, let's go to school now. Uh, when you were in school what kind of subjects did you study? | 520.6190 |
428 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 520.9274 | <ts> | 521.0222 |
430 | | 522.8486 | In elementary school? | 523.8205 |
431 | DTA_int_08 | 524.0894 | Mm-hm. | 524.3094 |
432 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 524.5814 | That same ones they have today. | 526.0962 |
433 | DTA_int_08 | 526.1634 | Such as? | 526.7379 |
434 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 527.5875 | Reading, | 527.9960 |
436 | | 529.3498 | handwriting, | 530.0741 |
438 | | 531.6072 | arithmetic. | 532.6035 |
440 | | 533.1322 | Not- we call it math today, but it was arithmetic then. | 536.1444 |
442 | | 536.4958 | Spelling, | 537.2069 |
444 | | 537.7845 | today we call it language arts. | 539.4255 |
445 | DTA_int_08 | 541.9610 | /Is/ there one [on?] | 542.6068 |
446 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 542.5142 | [W-] we call, uh, reading, | 544.6829 |
447 | | 545.8534 | writing, and spelling, English, | 549.0877 |
449 | | 549.7294 | all of those are the language arts | 551.3919 |
451 | | 551.5753 | subjects. | 552.3038 |
452 | DTA_int_08 | 552.8700 | [Mm-hm.] | 553.1298 |
453 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 553.0992 | [They] should be, uh, | 554.3461 |
454 | | 555.0588 | <ts> | 555.1724 |
456 | | 558.3719 | related. | 559.1149 |
457 | DTA_int_08 | 559.4048 | Mm-hm. | 559.7256 |
458 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 560.1413 | Not spelling, just for spelling's sake, | 561.9586 |
460 | | 562.0962 | [but should] relate to something | 563.7220 |
461 | DTA_int_08 | 562.3387 | [Mm-hm.] | 562.6420 |
462 | | 564.0968 | Mm-hm. | 564.4758 |
463 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 565.1023 | that's being taught. | 566.0527 |
465 | | 567.4850 | We had, uh, | 568.4537 |
467 | | 570.0388 | civics, | 570.9211 |
469 | | 571.1481 | and this is called social studies today. | 573.2772 |
470 | DTA_int_08 | 573.2772 | Mm-hm. | 573.5369 |
471 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 574.8480 | We had general science, and this is called science today. | 578.0558 |
473 | | 580.7746 | We had gym, | 581.6609 |
475 | | 582.2466 | and I guess this is still gym. | 583.6585 |
477 | | 585.1824 | We had auditorium, | 586.4751 |
479 | | 586.6035 | they still have auditorium in some schools but it's disappearing. | 589.8456 |
481 | | 591.4086 | I think that's about it. | 592.6340 |
482 | DTA_int_08 | 592.6432 | Mm-hm. | 592.9015 |
484 | | 593.2911 | And, uh, when you look around the classroom, what kind of things do you see? | 595.9335 |
485 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 596.8656 | In the classroom? | 597.7363 |
486 | DTA_int_08 | 597.7936 | Mm-hm. | 598.1100 |
487 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 598.5729 | You mean, uh, | 599.3583 |
488 | DTA_int_08 | 599.7637 | You can say, like [/r/-] | 600.5387 |
489 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 600.2344 | [material?] | 600.9464 |
490 | DTA_int_08 | 601.4568 | um, | 601.8724 |
492 | | 602.0924 | furniture, things on the walls. | 603.6041 |
493 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 604.3009 | You see blackboards, | 605.6914 |
495 | | 606.0092 | I think they are called slateboards now | 608.0833 |
496 | DTA_int_08 | 608.5906 | [Mm-hm.] | 608.8982 |
497 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 608.7189 | [instead] of the blackboard. Or chalkboard. | 610.8907 |
498 | | 611.1199 | [I think] this is the | 612.0673 |
499 | DTA_int_08 | 611.1455 | [Now,] | 611.3813 |
500 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 612.1549 | [modern.] | 612.5430 |
501 | DTA_int_08 | 612.2160 | [is] that- | 612.8089 |
502 | | 613.2734 | does that have any relation to the color change in them? | 615.5098 |
504 | | 615.6500 | Do you know? | 616.0564 |
506 | | 616.7257 | With the black to the green? | 617.9512 |
508 | | 618.0663 | Or do [/unintelligible/?] | 618.8056 |
509 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 618.5155 | [I think] the green is, uh, and I | 620.4928 |
510 | | 620.8350 | say | 621.2649 |
512 | | 621.3999 | t- uh, | 621.8761 |
514 | | 622.7502 | has to do with, uh, | 623.9605 |
516 | | 625.2367 | being able to see better, I think. I'm not [sure.] | 628.1481 |
517 | DTA_int_08 | 627.6468 | [Mm-hm.] | 627.9220 |
518 | | 628.2153 | But I mean, is this why they started calling- do they call [the green ones] chalkboards and the black ones blackboards, or? | 632.8615 |
519 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 630.2160 | [Chalkboard.] | 630.8608 |
520 | | 633.3994 | I don't know. I- the- just think the modern terminology is [chalkboard.] | 637.4965 |
521 | DTA_int_08 | 636.7019 | [Mm-hm.] | 637.0045 |
523 | | 637.3682 | [Mm-hm.] | 637.7200 |
524 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 637.7227 | [Rather than] blackboard. | 638.9054 |
525 | DTA_int_08 | 637.8154 | [I see.] | 638.2310 |
526 | | 638.9471 | Mm-hm. | 639.2983 |
527 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 639.5369 | And I see your point that t- perhaps they're using [green now.] | 642.7427 |
528 | DTA_int_08 | 642.1567 | [/That/ they're not] black [anymore.] | 643.4232 |
529 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 643.3468 | [Yes,] that maybe this is why. I don't know. | 645.5094 |
530 | DTA_int_08 | 645.5705 | Mm-hm. | 645.9495 |
532 | | 646.2306 | Mm-hm. | 646.5049 |
534 | | 646.9946 | And, uh, what do the children sit [at?] | 648.3342 |
535 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 648.2955 | [Desk] and | 649.7563 |
536 | | 650.8799 | in the lower grades, we used, uh, tables and chairs. | 653.9500 |
537 | DTA_int_08 | 653.9573 | Mm-hm. | 654.2619 |
539 | | 654.6347 | And, uh, when you walk outside of the classroom, | 656.6609 |
541 | | 656.8350 | what would you be standing in? | 658.0193 |
542 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 658.6249 | The hallway? | 659.3040 |
543 | DTA_int_08 | 659.3277 | Mm-hm. | 659.6180 |
545 | | 659.8412 | And as you walk down the hallway, what kind of things might you see? | 662.1544 |
546 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 662.5447 | Drinking fountains, | 663.8700 |
548 | | 665.4286 | lockers. | 666.1671 |
550 | | 667.6524 | And then some of the new schools, I don't think you see lockers anymore. | 670.5668 |
551 | DTA_int_08 | 673.7379 | Mm-hm. | 674.0221 |
553 | | 674.3461 | And, uh, outside the school building is there any place for the children to [play?] | 677.4500 |
554 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 677.3430 | [Playground.] | 678.0398 |
555 | DTA_int_08 | 678.4125 | Is there anything in the playground for them to play on? | 680.4529 |
556 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 681.2221 | <laugh> Not in Detroit. | 682.7074 |
557 | DTA_int_08 | 682.7257 | Uh-huh. | 683.0130 |
559 | | 683.1535 | How about in the [parks?] | 684.0001 |
560 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 683.6853 | [Swings,] | 684.4530 |
561 | | 685.3590 | slides, | 686.2055 |
563 | | 686.5417 | sandboxes. | 687.7012 |
564 | DTA_int_08 | 690.3413 | Things that go like this? | 691.3406 |
565 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 693.0693 | Seesaw. | 693.8242 |
566 | DTA_int_08 | 695.2452 | And things the kids climb all over? | 696.7569 |
567 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 697.9396 | The slides? | 698.7036 |
569 | | 698.8259 | Jungle gym. | 699.6867 |
570 | DTA_int_08 | 699.8333 | What do they look like? | 700.4458 |
571 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 701.1749 | They're made out of, uh, steel rods. | 703.6340 |
573 | | 703.9549 | Bent, | 704.4653 |
575 | | 704.6425 | curved, | 705.2038 |
577 | | 706.1848 | I think, | 706.6768 |
579 | | 706.7960 | iron? | 707.3063 |
580 | DTA_int_08 | 708.0113 | Mm-hm. | 708.3260 |
582 | | 708.8058 | Okay, I don't [know.] | 709.7135 |
583 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 709.2898 | [Mm,] | 709.6596 |
584 | | 710.0038 | pipes. | 710.5569 |
585 | DTA_int_08 | 710.6456 | It's something. <laugh> | 711.3688 |
587 | | 711.8150 | [And, uh,] | 712.3592 |
588 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 711.8639 | [Mm-hm.] | 712.3399 |
589 | DTA_int_08 | 713.3522 | when you were in school | 714.2802 |
591 | | 714.4361 | can you recall if you ever had a teacher who used to holler a lot? | 716.8408 |
592 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 722.0833 | <ts> I don't think so. I think we had | 724.2031 |
594 | | 724.4262 | teachers that we thought were mean. | 726.3985 |
595 | DTA_int_08 | 726.5889 | Mm-hm. | 726.9560 |
596 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 727.2581 | But, uh, | 728.0924 |
598 | | 728.2452 | I guess the teachers did scream now and then. | 731.3950 |
599 | DTA_int_08 | 731.4469 | Mm-hm. | 731.6849 |
600 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 731.9053 | But, uh, my school life is characteristic by that. I think there's more screaming nowaday. | 736.8449 |
601 | DTA_int_08 | 736.9488 | Mm-hm. | 737.1955 |
603 | | 737.6395 | What kind of things did they scream about then? | 739.4008 |
604 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 739.7013 | Noise. | 740.3614 |
605 | DTA_int_08 | 740.6884 | Mm-hm. | 741.0062 |
607 | | 742.4109 | Mm-hm. Did you ever get screamed at? | 743.5197 |
608 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 744.5919 | I don't think so. | 745.5599 |
609 | DTA_int_08 | 745.6676 | Did you ever get screamed at when it wasn't your fault? | 747.4962 |
610 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 749.8014 | I don't think so. | 750.7810 |
611 | DTA_int_08 | 750.9403 | Okay. Can you tell me about the best teacher you ever had? | 752.8239 |
612 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 757.0809 | No, I don't. | 758.3400 |
614 | | 758.9053 | I can remember my teachers and incidents, | 761.8809 |
616 | | 762.7539 | but, um, | 763.6035 |
618 | | 763.8021 | I can't think of any that I would feel, uh, | 766.5973 |
620 | | 768.6194 | were better than others. | 770.0344 |
622 | | 770.8289 | I can remember a teacher- | 772.1267 |
624 | | 772.2490 | two teachers that I think | 773.7281 |
626 | | 774.3199 | took a particular interest | 776.1719 |
628 | | 776.3369 | in me. | 776.9756 |
630 | | 777.2619 | Um, Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/ that I had in high school | 779.4622 |
632 | | 780.5338 | for English, | 781.4965 |
634 | | 782.7006 | and | 783.2832 |
636 | | 783.8914 | a- I think she was Ms. /RD-NAME-1/. | 786.1873 |
638 | | 786.5675 | In elementary school that I had for literature. | 789.0031 |
640 | | 790.4782 | And, um, | 791.7403 |
642 | | 794.2911 | I thought they were nice. | 795.6316 |
643 | DTA_int_08 | 795.7355 | Mm-hm. | 796.0853 |
645 | | 798.5675 | Did you ever have a teacher that you just couldn't stand? | 800.5101 |
646 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 805.6248 | No, I don't think so. | 807.1545 |
648 | | 807.7661 | I've had teachers that I thought were unfair. | 810.0999 |
649 | DTA_int_08 | 810.4666 | Mm-hm. | 810.8700 |
650 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 811.1053 | But, uh, | 811.9855 |
652 | | 812.2972 | I don't think I ever- | 813.4330 |
654 | | 815.0619 | I'm- I've ever been in a situation where I couldn't in some way | 818.1627 |
656 | | 818.5539 | work it out. | 819.3810 |
657 | DTA_int_08 | 819.5124 | Mm-hm. | 819.7997 |
659 | | 821.3552 | Uh, you said they were unfair. In what way? | 823.2337 |
660 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 826.4720 | Well I had a Mr. | 827.9960 |
662 | | 828.1029 | /RD-NAME-2/ | 829.1023 |
664 | | 830.1169 | who called the report cards in | 832.9304 |
666 | | 833.5967 | by | 834.3078 |
668 | | 836.1413 | honor point. | 837.1732 |
669 | DTA_int_08 | 837.6133 | [Mm-hm.] | 837.8992 |
670 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 837.7967 | [And] I thought this was unfair to the student who didn't do well. | 841.0809 |
671 | DTA_int_08 | 841.4201 | Mm-hm. | 841.7800 |
672 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 841.8724 | That it perhaps would be [embarrassing] | 843.7233 |
673 | DTA_int_08 | 843.6928 | [Mm-hm.] | 844.0820 |
674 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 844.4445 | to the person. | 845.3063 |
675 | DTA_int_08 | 845.5590 | Mm-hm. | 845.8768 |
676 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 847.1206 | And, um, | 848.4286 |
678 | | 849.2160 | now who was the other teacher that I thought was unfair. | 851.5294 |
680 | | 853.7226 | Uh, music teacher. | 855.2557 |
682 | | 857.0160 | I thought | 857.4255 |
684 | | 857.9603 | her /beka/- behavior- her behavior indicated that maybe, um, | 861.7936 |
686 | | 863.2147 | she | 863.9654 |
688 | | 864.0907 | disliked children. | 865.4104 |
690 | | 866.5111 | Not for any special reason but maybe because of race. | 869.7709 |
691 | DTA_int_08 | 870.0082 | Mm-hm. | 870.3463 |
693 | | 871.4170 | Did other kids in your class ever play any tricks on the teachers? | 874.1976 |
694 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 876.2771 | I think | 876.7478 |
696 | | 876.9495 | in- when I went to school, children | 879.1579 |
698 | | 880.1206 | thought of teachers as being someone special, maybe, and | 883.3888 |
700 | | 884.3308 | they didn't play tricks. | 885.5613 |
701 | DTA_int_08 | 885.6163 | How about like for April Fool's Day? | 887.0466 |
702 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 887.4805 | No. I don't think they had the same relationship that they have | 890.9751 |
704 | | 891.4452 | today with teachers. | 892.6149 |
705 | DTA_int_08 | 892.6279 | [Mm-hm.] | 892.9283 |
706 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 892.7776 | [Children] do that today. | 893.9837 |
707 | DTA_int_08 | 894.1335 | Mm-hm. | 894.4609 |
708 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 894.5736 | But not when I went to school. | 896.0955 |
709 | DTA_int_08 | 896.1107 | Mm-hm. | 896.4805 |
710 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 897.8058 | /RD-NAME-2/. | 898.5727 |
712 | | 899.6761 | /RD-NAME-2/. | 900.3077 |
714 | | 900.6683 | I can walk /unintelligible/. | 901.4521 |
716 | | 905.7892 | He didn't take- Uncle /RD-NAME-2/ didn't take you home? | 908.1475 |
717 | misc | 908.3655 | No. | 908.6935 |
718 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 909.7753 | Oh, alright. | 910.9396 |
719 | DTA_int_08 | 914.1688 | And, uh, | 914.8220 |
721 | | 915.2496 | did you- can recall someone who was in your- | 916.9579 |
723 | | 917.6150 | in your estimation was the smartest kid in your class? | 919.6218 |
724 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 920.4011 | Yes, in high school it was /RD-NAME-5/. | 922.9480 |
725 | DTA_int_08 | 923.1596 | Mm-hm. | 923.3766 |
727 | | 923.7984 | What was it about her that you felt made her smart? | 926.0316 |
728 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 926.3033 | She always knew the answers. She always had her homework. | 929.1767 |
729 | DTA_int_08 | 929.5203 | Mm-hm. | 929.8482 |
730 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 930.0877 | She was very popular. | 931.8021 |
731 | DTA_int_08 | 931.8999 | Mm-hm. | 932.2483 |
732 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 932.2483 | And, uh, | 933.1103 |
733 | | 933.8669 | was a hard worker. | 934.7501 |
734 | DTA_int_08 | 934.7990 | Mm-hm. | 935.0191 |
736 | | 935.5264 | Did, uh, the children get any special favors or prizes or anything for being the smartest? | 939.4910 |
737 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 941.3491 | Yes, they- uh, not prizes, but awards, recognition. | 945.4208 |
738 | DTA_int_08 | 945.4574 | Mm-hm. | 945.7607 |
739 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 945.8455 | Honor roll. | 946.6004 |
740 | DTA_int_08 | 946.8907 | Mm-hm. | 947.2269 |
741 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 947.2819 | Type of um, | 948.2405 |
743 | | 949.4079 | thing. | 949.8479 |
744 | DTA_int_08 | 949.8938 | Mm-hm. | 950.2203 |
746 | | 950.6761 | Can you recall anyone in your class who, uh, putting it crudely, was the dumbest? | 954.8089 |
747 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 957.5736 | Yes, I think, um, | 959.3797 |
749 | | 961.4323 | I can remember- | 962.5997 |
751 | | 963.7294 | maybe not specifically, but I can remember that children, uh, | 967.1632 |
753 | | 967.6218 | had difficulties getting their [studies.] | 969.8584 |
754 | DTA_int_08 | 969.7416 | [Mm-hm.] | 970.0333 |
755 | | 970.4690 | Would the, uh, teacher do anything to these children? | 972.5907 |
756 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 976.5515 | <ts> | 976.7257 |
758 | | 976.9243 | I don't remember that anybody was embarrassed for not, uh, being able | 981.5644 |
760 | | 982.5851 | to understand or to achieve. | 984.7355 |
761 | DTA_int_08 | 984.8028 | Mm-hm. | 985.1656 |
762 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 985.3284 | Uh, this doesn't stand out in my mind. | 987.2863 |
763 | DTA_int_08 | 987.2863 | Mm-hm. | 987.5751 |
764 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 987.6591 | Other than, uh, | 988.6554 |
766 | | 989.1291 | the teacher who called in the report cards by | 991.8082 |
768 | | 991.9518 | [performance.] | 992.9053 |
769 | DTA_int_08 | 992.7525 | [Mm-hm.] | 993.1396 |
770 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 993.5338 | And this was at the h- junior high level. | 995.6109 |
772 | | 995.7148 | We called it intermediate school then, | 997.4445 |
774 | | 997.6737 | it's about the seventh or eighth grade. | 999.1060 |
775 | DTA_int_08 | 999.3749 | Mm-hm. | 999.6744 |
776 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1000.3467 | But I don't remember, uh, | 1002.1052 |
778 | | 1002.7264 | the slow readers or | 1004.1587 |
780 | | 1004.4897 | the group tours, as we call them today. | 1006.7410 |
781 | DTA_int_08 | 1006.8754 | Mm-hm. | 1007.1535 |
783 | | 1007.7179 | Mm-hm. | 1008.0038 |
785 | | 1008.6286 | And, uh, what time did you get out of school? | 1010.3797 |
786 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1011.8119 | Three fifteen. | 1012.7685 |
787 | DTA_int_08 | 1012.8663 | Mm-hm. | 1013.1535 |
789 | | 1013.6731 | And when you were in school, did you have a group of friends that you always palled around with? | 1016.9226 |
790 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1018.9457 | In elementary school. | 1020.3627 |
791 | DTA_int_08 | 1020.6225 | Or in high [school.] | 1021.5280 |
792 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1021.2398 | [I did.] Not in high school. | 1022.8656 |
793 | DTA_int_08 | 1023.1121 | Mm-hm. | 1023.4328 |
795 | | 1023.7905 | And, uh, were all around the same age, basically? | 1025.8922 |
796 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1026.7814 | I think so. | 1027.5820 |
797 | DTA_int_08 | 1027.6218 | [Mm-hm.] | 1027.9483 |
798 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1027.8235 | [Mm-hm.] | 1028.1169 |
799 | DTA_int_08 | 1028.1994 | Do you see any of these friends today? | 1029.5888 |
800 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1030.3345 | <ts> Yes. | 1031.1806 |
802 | | 1031.3002 | I have, uh, I'm still very friendly with the girl that I lived in the neighborhood with and went to high school with. | 1037.1535 |
803 | DTA_int_08 | 1037.4133 | Mm-hm. | 1037.8320 |
804 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1038.1029 | <ts> | 1038.2007 |
806 | | 1038.7447 | In elementary school, | 1040.4891 |
808 | | 1042.9274 | no. | 1043.5691 |
810 | | 1043.8717 | Because we no longer live in that area, | 1046.2299 |
812 | | 1046.9084 | uh, some of the girls are teachers now. It was a Polish neighborhood that I lived in. | 1051.3927 |
814 | | 1052.2544 | And | 1052.8259 |
816 | | 1052.9318 | I have | 1053.5983 |
818 | | 1053.8761 | seen those girls | 1055.0343 |
820 | | 1055.3063 | on the streets | 1056.4360 |
822 | | 1056.6897 | and one in particular is a school teacher that I see now and then at meetings. | 1060.1359 |
823 | DTA_int_08 | 1060.2367 | Mm-hm. | 1060.6053 |
825 | | 1061.0802 | Mm-hm. | 1061.3063 |
827 | | 1062.0306 | Do- | 1062.2557 |
829 | | 1062.4696 | you basically- your- your new friends, would you say they're from the neighborhood or from work or? | 1066.5729 |
830 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1066.7104 | People that I went to school with. | 1068.3994 |
831 | DTA_int_08 | 1068.4758 | Mm-hm. | 1068.8761 |
833 | | 1070.2972 | Mm-hm. | 1070.4927 |
835 | | 1071.1415 | [And-] | 1071.5386 |
836 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1071.4544 | [College.] | 1072.0258 |
837 | DTA_int_08 | 1072.3314 | uh-huh. | 1072.6309 |
839 | | 1072.9427 | As a child, were any of your | 1074.5277 |
841 | | 1075.4506 | friends | 1076.0374 |
843 | | 1076.3705 | white children, or Jewish children, or Catholic children? | 1079.1865 |
844 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1079.2544 | <ts> | 1079.3461 |
846 | | 1079.7097 | Polish. | 1080.3323 |
848 | | 1080.7539 | We lived in a Polish neighborhood. | 1082.2727 |
849 | DTA_int_08 | 1082.3583 | Mm-hm. | 1082.6050 |
851 | | 1082.9199 | Did any of the children speak a different language besides English? | 1085.3216 |
852 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1085.7067 | The children that I played with were children of, um, | 1089.4788 |
854 | | 1090.0136 | immigrants. | 1090.8907 |
855 | DTA_int_08 | 1090.9182 | Mm-hm. | 1091.2544 |
856 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1092.1549 | Their parents were born in Europe, | 1094.1678 |
857 | DTA_int_08 | 1094.3399 | Mm-hm. | 1094.6669 |
858 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1095.2007 | and, um, | 1096.2489 |
860 | | 1096.9274 | they were born here. | 1098.0144 |
861 | DTA_int_08 | 1098.1518 | Mm-hm. | 1098.4666 |
862 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1099.3192 | [And] I remember that they talked funny. Is this what you asked me? | 1102.3589 |
863 | DTA_int_08 | 1099.3192 | [Mm-hm.] | 1099.6124 |
864 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1102.9090 | They [couldn't pronounce their threes.] | 1104.7814 |
865 | DTA_int_08 | 1103.0466 | [Did they speak any.] | 1104.1457 |
866 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1104.8669 | They said | 1105.3987 |
868 | | 1106.4500 | three- | 1107.3744 |
870 | | 1107.5660 | tree. | 1108.0533 |
871 | DTA_int_08 | 1108.2489 | Mm-hm. | 1108.4812 |
873 | | 1108.8510 | Mm-hm. | 1109.0955 |
874 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1109.1474 | And they had a strange way of saying, borrow me a pencil, instead of, | 1112.9603 |
876 | | 1113.1151 | uh, | 1113.4421 |
878 | | 1114.7410 | lend me a pencil or may I borrow a pencil. It was borrow me a pencil. | 1119.2710 |
879 | DTA_int_08 | 1119.6561 | Mm-hm. | 1119.9219 |
880 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1119.9494 | When I went to high school it was with Jewish children, and, um, | 1123.3657 |
882 | | 1124.5141 | I was not friendly with anyone there. | 1126.1481 |
883 | DTA_int_08 | 1126.3314 | [Mm-hm.] | 1126.6202 |
884 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1126.5515 | [It] was | 1127.1205 |
885 | | 1127.5019 | the- | 1127.8676 |
887 | | 1128.0907 | this neighborhood. | 1129.1847 |
888 | DTA_int_08 | 1129.2612 | Mm-hm. | 1129.4781 |
889 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1129.9946 | And, u- o- | 1130.6761 |
891 | | 1130.9572 | I was out classed, uh, financially and mentally. | 1134.8455 |
892 | DTA_int_08 | 1135.0289 | [Mm-hm.] | 1135.3685 |
893 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1135.3070 | [And] I was miserable | 1136.4041 |
894 | | 1137.4269 | in my high school | 1138.4017 |
896 | | 1138.8815 | days. | 1139.4330 |
898 | | 1142.2024 | And I don't, um, | 1143.2985 |
900 | | 1143.7080 | remember | 1144.4017 |
902 | | 1145.0343 | too much about | 1145.7158 |
904 | | 1146.8150 | these people, except that they were all absent on the holidays. And they did real well in their studies. | 1152.1732 |
906 | | 1152.9005 | And they seemed quite financially secure, because even in the days of the depression, which I know you don't remember, | 1158.1121 |
908 | | 1158.6163 | they came up in chauffeured cars. | 1160.5276 |
910 | | 1161.0968 | And the girls wore beautiful clothing and | 1163.3552 |
912 | | 1164.3260 | it was a silk stocking school. | 1165.9243 |
913 | DTA_int_08 | 1166.2849 | Mm-hm, I see. | 1167.1819 |
914 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1167.4880 | Highly competitive. | 1168.8231 |
915 | DTA_int_08 | 1169.1077 | Mm-hm. | 1169.4429 |
916 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1170.0968 | Academically. | 1170.9066 |
917 | DTA_int_08 | 1172.7922 | And, uh, of your group of friends | 1174.3651 |
919 | | 1174.5423 | was there someone who you might say was the leader of the group? | 1176.9830 |
920 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1177.6859 | <ts> | 1177.7807 |
922 | | 1177.8815 | /RD-NAME-5/ was at /RD-SCHOOL-4/ and she was a leader and an organizer. | 1182.3352 |
923 | DTA_int_08 | 1182.4696 | Mm-hm. | 1182.7439 |
925 | | 1183.2122 | Why did everybody follow her [especially?] | 1185.0728 |
926 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1184.9450 | [Well] she, uh, was aggressive. | 1186.9042 |
927 | DTA_int_08 | 1187.3613 | Mm-hm. | 1187.6516 |
928 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1188.0540 | As I said before, she knew all the answers. She was | 1191.3168 |
930 | | 1191.8455 | a participant in everything there was to participate in, from the Spring Festival to | 1197.3321 |
932 | | 1197.9036 | certain school [clubs] and activities. | 1200.4727 |
933 | DTA_int_08 | 1199.3919 | [Mm-hm.] | 1199.6394 |
934 | | 1200.6133 | And, uh, what if somebody new came into the area. Could they get into the group | 1203.6988 |
936 | | 1203.8639 | with /her/? | 1204.3181 |
937 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1205.4805 | I am told | 1206.5613 |
939 | | 1207.4812 | that it was very difficult to break into the clique | 1211.0469 |
940 | DTA_int_08 | 1211.2116 | [Mm-hm.] | 1211.4859 |
941 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1211.3552 | [at] /RD-SCHOOL-4/. | 1212.4030 |
942 | | 1212.8547 | My husband taught with, um, | 1214.8656 |
944 | | 1215.1396 | <ts> | 1215.2527 |
946 | | 1216.1022 | a Jewish | 1216.7988 |
948 | | 1217.4591 | fellow who also went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and he was a poor Jew. | 1221.0234 |
949 | DTA_int_08 | 1221.4910 | Mm-hm. | 1221.7348 |
950 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1221.9372 | And he was miserable at this school. | 1223.7698 |
951 | DTA_int_08 | 1223.9165 | Mm-hm. | 1224.2863 |
953 | | 1226.0221 | Mm-hm. | 1226.2906 |
954 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1226.4591 | And, uh, | 1227.6330 |
956 | | 1227.8944 | so I imagine that there were | 1230.3107 |
958 | | 1230.8547 | very strong cliques [based] on income and class. | 1234.9365 |
959 | DTA_int_08 | 1232.6100 | [Mm-hm.] | 1233.0195 |
960 | | 1235.0832 | Mm-hm. I see. | 1235.8503 |
962 | | 1236.4207 | And, uh, | 1237.0607 |
964 | | 1237.4048 | can you remember what you wanted to be when you were in grade school? | 1240.1777 |
965 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1241.5233 | I wanted to be a nurse. | 1242.9097 |
967 | | 1243.1725 | I wanted to be a dress maker. | 1244.6920 |
969 | | 1245.5888 | I never wanted to be a school teacher. | 1247.3032 |
971 | | 1248.3810 | I wanted to be a social worker | 1249.8815 |
973 | | 1250.2452 | most of all. | 1250.9572 |
974 | DTA_int_08 | 1251.3088 | Mm-hm. | 1251.7215 |
976 | | 1252.4078 | Did you achieve any of these goals? | 1253.7969 |
977 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1253.9725 | Yes, I did social work for, | 1255.9549 |
979 | | 1256.8014 | um, | 1257.4299 |
981 | | 1258.2734 | five or six years. | 1259.6027 |
982 | DTA_int_08 | 1260.3749 | Mm-hm. | 1260.6133 |
983 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1261.3620 | And I'm still interested in social work, although I teach. | 1264.5117 |
985 | | 1265.4499 | I'm making plans to move into what we call the visiting teacher department. | 1269.9720 |
986 | DTA_int_08 | 1270.0167 | Mm-hm. | 1270.4244 |
987 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1270.6890 | Which is a combination of social work and mental hygiene. | 1274.3693 |
988 | DTA_int_08 | 1274.7219 | Mm-hm. | 1275.0642 |
989 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1276.2611 | And, um, | 1277.2421 |
991 | | 1278.1029 | I think I'm going to do this. | 1279.6492 |
992 | DTA_int_08 | 1279.7440 | Mm-hm. | 1280.0343 |
994 | | 1280.5416 | And, uh, along the line of social work, what exactly did you do? | 1283.6081 |
995 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1285.2397 | I worked for the state. | 1286.5233 |
996 | DTA_int_08 | 1286.7005 | [Mm-hm.] | 1287.1315 |
997 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1287.1029 | [They] had a program | 1288.5148 |
998 | | 1290.0459 | designed to give aid to | 1291.9762 |
1000 | | 1292.2849 | unmarried mothers and widowed mothers | 1294.6167 |
1002 | | 1296.4543 | of little children. | 1297.4528 |
1003 | DTA_int_08 | 1297.5728 | Mm-hm. | 1297.9060 |
1004 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1298.2268 | And at that time, | 1299.4696 |
1006 | | 1299.9341 | the thought was it was better to have the mother in the home | 1302.8700 |
1008 | | 1302.9800 | with the children, rather than | 1304.5844 |
1010 | | 1304.8411 | working. | 1305.4054 |
1011 | DTA_int_08 | 1305.6194 | Mm-hm. | 1305.8884 |
1012 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1305.9555 | And this grant was provided. | 1307.7739 |
1014 | | 1308.5766 | We also gave aid to the blind | 1311.3565 |
1016 | | 1311.8516 | and the, uh, | 1313.4102 |
1018 | | 1313.6119 | aged. | 1314.1701 |
1019 | DTA_int_08 | 1314.4421 | [Mm-hm.] | 1314.7672 |
1020 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1314.7141 | [There] were three [programs.] | 1316.0740 |
1021 | DTA_int_08 | 1316.0526 | [Mm-hm.] | 1316.3400 |
1022 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1316.4346 | These programs are still, um, | 1318.0472 |
1024 | | 1319.3460 | active today except they've been, uh, | 1321.5423 |
1026 | | 1322.1565 | reshaped. | 1322.9684 |
1027 | DTA_int_08 | 1323.2465 | Mm-hm. | 1323.5827 |
1028 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1323.9005 | And I think | 1324.4475 |
1030 | | 1324.8204 | more or less mothers are encouraged to work if they can and make plans for their children, | 1329.1426 |
1032 | | 1329.5063 | and the income | 1330.3528 |
1034 | | 1330.6920 | received is deducted | 1331.8821 |
1036 | | 1332.2099 | from the check | 1332.9127 |
1038 | | 1333.2031 | granted by the state. | 1334.4123 |
1039 | DTA_int_08 | 1334.5630 | Mm-hm. | 1334.8997 |
1040 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1335.0509 | This is a state program. | 1336.2489 |
1041 | DTA_int_08 | 1336.6003 | Mm-hm. I see. | 1337.3119 |
1043 | | 1337.9531 | And, uh, | 1338.6255 |
1045 | | 1338.8669 | if you had your whole life to live all over again, would you do anything different than what you've done? | 1342.2122 |
1046 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1347.5093 | I don't think so. | 1348.4842 |
1047 | DTA_int_08 | 1349.3827 | Mm-hm. | 1349.6394 |
1049 | | 1350.4604 | What about if you had all the money that you could ever want? | 1352.7941 |
1050 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1353.7722 | What would I do with it? | 1354.5667 |
1052 | | 1356.4177 | I'd probably | 1357.4475 |
1054 | | 1357.7868 | give it away. | 1358.4591 |
1055 | DTA_int_08 | 1359.2160 | Mm-hm. | 1359.4971 |
1056 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1360.1236 | I couldn't enjoy it. <laugh> | 1361.2635 |
1057 | DTA_int_08 | 1361.5416 | Okay. | 1361.9898 |
1058 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1362.0693 | <laugh> I couldn't enjoy it as long as | 1363.9663 |
1060 | | 1364.3919 | there were needs | 1365.2710 |
1062 | | 1365.3688 | to be met. | 1365.9402 |
1063 | DTA_int_08 | 1366.3314 | Uh-huh. | 1366.5912 |
1065 | | 1367.0068 | Okay. And your husband, what does he do? | 1368.6017 |
1066 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1368.9311 | He's a school principal. | 1370.1574 |
1067 | DTA_int_08 | 1370.3521 | Mm-hm. | 1370.6211 |
1069 | | 1370.8890 | Uh, what exactly does he do as a principal? | 1372.9946 |
1070 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1373.4591 | He administrates and tries to keep the teachers happy and stimulate the children to learn. | 1378.7531 |
1071 | DTA_int_08 | 1378.8937 | Mm-hm. | 1379.1871 |
1072 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1379.5447 | To keep abreast of new ideas, new materials. | 1383.1518 |
1073 | DTA_int_08 | 1383.9677 | Mm-hm. | 1384.2928 |
1074 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1384.5209 | And mainly I think, um, | 1386.2587 |
1076 | | 1388.5233 | keeping a happy staff | 1390.2024 |
1077 | DTA_int_08 | 1390.2245 | Mm-hm. | 1390.5423 |
1078 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1391.7250 | is one of the big things. | 1393.1114 |
1079 | DTA_int_08 | 1393.1175 | Mm-hm. | 1393.4384 |
1081 | | 1393.6156 | Mm-hm. | 1393.8725 |
1083 | | 1394.5447 | And, uh, this part of town that you live in. Does it have a special name? | 1398.0020 |
1084 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1398.9066 | No. | 1399.3100 |
1085 | DTA_int_08 | 1399.5209 | This certain area, the city in you're [in?] | 1400.9430 |
1086 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1400.8319 | [No.] | 1401.3199 |
1087 | DTA_int_08 | 1401.4543 | Uh-huh. And what city is this? | 1402.5392 |
1088 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1402.7012 | Detroit. | 1403.2543 |
1089 | DTA_int_08 | 1403.3246 | Uh-huh. | 1403.6272 |
1091 | | 1403.9562 | And, uh, | 1404.6136 |
1093 | | 1404.7416 | can you tell me what some of the main or big streets of Detroit are? | 1407.7147 |
1094 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1407.9188 | <ts> Woodward Avenue, | 1408.8632 |
1096 | | 1411.3803 | Gratiot Avenue, | 1412.5599 |
1098 | | 1412.9786 | Grande River Avenue, are the three main streets here. | 1415.5477 |
1099 | DTA_int_08 | 1415.7280 | Mm-hm. | 1416.1054 |
1100 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1416.3963 | And, um, | 1417.2764 |
1102 | | 1418.7402 | all other streets | 1419.7294 |
1104 | | 1419.9097 | branch out in some way. | 1421.3580 |
1105 | DTA_int_08 | 1421.5752 | [Mm-hm.] | 1421.9725 |
1106 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1421.7739 | [West] Grand Boulevard | 1422.8608 |
1107 | | 1423.3742 | circles the city, | 1424.4224 |
1108 | DTA_int_08 | 1424.6302 | [Mm-hm.] | 1425.0143 |
1109 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1425.0000 | [in] a semi-circle. | 1425.9097 |
1110 | DTA_int_08 | 1426.2183 | Mm-hm. | 1426.5217 |
1111 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1427.2818 | And | 1427.7327 |
1113 | | 1427.9073 | the three main streets in | 1429.7837 |
1115 | | 1429.9671 | n- | 1430.1260 |
1117 | | 1430.7708 | touch. | 1431.2190 |
1119 | | 1431.6316 | West Grand | 1432.1786 |
1121 | | 1432.6920 | Boulevard and East Grand Boulevard. | 1434.4788 |
1123 | | 1434.8761 | Woodward divides the city | 1436.1657 |
1125 | | 1436.6883 | into east and west. | 1438.4675 |
1126 | DTA_int_08 | 1438.4934 | Mm-hm. | 1438.8185 |
1128 | | 1439.5145 | Mm-hm. | 1439.8026 |
1129 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1439.7647 | And the streets- | 1440.9616 |
1130 | | 1442.8594 | when west- when the boulevard- | 1444.4048 |
1132 | | 1444.8020 | when Grand Boulevard crosses Woodward, it becomes west or east, | 1448.1050 |
1134 | | 1448.4988 | vice versa. | 1449.1885 |
1135 | DTA_int_08 | 1449.4207 | Uh-huh, I see. | 1450.0651 |
1137 | | 1450.5239 | And, uh, they have these things here | 1452.0632 |
1139 | | 1452.4574 | that- | 1452.6224 |
1141 | | 1452.9097 | that look like highways but they don't call them highways. | 1454.9226 |
1142 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1455.9210 | <ts> | 1456.0494 |
1144 | | 1456.1725 | Well | 1456.7256 |
1146 | | 1457.6394 | originally they were [expressways] | 1459.6126 |
1147 | DTA_int_08 | 1459.4964 | [Mm-hm.] | 1459.8143 |
1148 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1460.5508 | and now I think we call them [freeways.] | 1462.5622 |
1149 | DTA_int_08 | 1462.5178 | [Uh-huh.] Do you know the names of any of them? | 1463.9868 |
1150 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1464.6621 | John Lodge, | 1465.8215 |
1152 | | 1466.4255 | Willow Run- | 1467.0031 |
1154 | | 1467.6407 | or is it Ford? | 1468.5423 |
1156 | | 1470.8944 | Willow Run and | 1471.7195 |
1158 | | 1472.5447 | Lodge, I think. | 1473.4734 |
1159 | DTA_int_08 | 1473.4910 | Mm-hm. | 1473.6896 |
1161 | | 1473.9770 | Okay. | 1474.2244 |
1163 | | 1474.7501 | And, uh, where were you born? | 1475.8255 |
1164 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1476.1334 | Albany, Georgia. | 1477.1175 |
1165 | DTA_int_08 | 1477.4903 | Uh-huh. | 1477.7073 |
1167 | | 1478.0526 | Have you ever lived any place else besides Detroit and Albany? | 1480.7379 |
1168 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1481.1046 | No. | 1481.5049 |
1169 | DTA_int_08 | 1482.2893 | <clears throat> Excuse me. Have you ever lived in any place else besides this house? | 1485.5796 |
1170 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1486.0197 | Yes. | 1486.5576 |
1171 | DTA_int_08 | 1486.5851 | Where else have you lived? | 1487.3857 |
1172 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1488.1243 | We lived in, um, | 1489.6706 |
1174 | | 1492.2795 | well it wasn't the Hamtramck area, but we lived near Hamtramck. | 1495.4567 |
1175 | DTA_int_08 | 1495.4603 | Mm-hm. | 1495.8710 |
1176 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1495.9212 | It was called North Detroit. | 1497.4752 |
1177 | DTA_int_08 | 1497.5552 | Mm-hm. | 1497.8486 |
1178 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1498.5637 | This is where I grew up | 1499.7056 |
1180 | | 1499.9778 | and where I started to school. | 1501.4292 |
1181 | DTA_int_08 | 1501.7195 | Mm-hm. | 1502.1382 |
1182 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1502.6180 | And | 1503.2007 |
1184 | | 1503.9372 | there were | 1504.4353 |
1186 | | 1504.9976 | Negroes | 1505.7637 |
1188 | | 1505.8920 | in the area, | 1506.7141 |
1190 | | 1507.3253 | but predominantly in the section that we lived there were Polish people. | 1510.6818 |
1191 | DTA_int_08 | 1511.0037 | Mm-hm. | 1511.3428 |
1193 | | 1513.1175 | And, | 1513.5209 |
1195 | | 1513.7684 | uh, do y- have you ever gone outside of Detroit on trips? | 1516.0502 |
1196 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1516.6217 | Last summer we stayed for a month in Columbia, South Carolina. | 1520.9684 |
1197 | DTA_int_08 | 1521.2129 | [Mm-hm.] | 1521.4818 |
1198 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1521.4543 | [It] was quite an interesting experience. | 1523.4266 |
1199 | | 1524.4574 | My husband was with the University of South Carolina there at Columbia. | 1528.0991 |
1200 | DTA_int_08 | 1528.3497 | Mm-hm. | 1528.7134 |
1201 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1529.3980 | And he had never been south other than when he was stationed in Petersburg, Virginia in the Army. | 1534.2000 |
1202 | DTA_int_08 | 1534.4017 | Mm-hm. | 1534.6992 |
1203 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1535.2574 | So it was good for him, | 1536.5229 |
1204 | DTA_int_08 | 1536.9188 | Mm-hm. | 1537.2759 |
1205 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1537.4261 | and it was nice for me to get back | 1539.2007 |
1207 | | 1540.1969 | in the area. | 1541.0740 |
1208 | DTA_int_08 | 1541.5508 | Mm-hm. | 1541.9175 |
1209 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1544.0832 | Although I was raised here and never went to school in the south. | 1547.2205 |
1210 | DTA_int_08 | 1547.2205 | Mm-hm. | 1547.4977 |
1212 | | 1549.0197 | And, uh, | 1549.4322 |
1214 | | 1549.7440 | does anything special happen here at home for the holidays? | 1552.3040 |
1216 | | 1555.2030 | Uh, like the one that comes December twenty fifth? | 1557.2771 |
1217 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1557.7110 | Christmas? | 1558.2219 |
1218 | DTA_int_08 | 1558.3131 | Mm-hm. | 1558.5859 |
1219 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1558.8295 | We always have | 1559.4866 |
1221 | | 1560.2832 | a tree, | 1560.8883 |
1222 | DTA_int_08 | 1561.2061 | [Mm-hm.] | 1561.4934 |
1223 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1561.4384 | [and] presents, | 1562.3976 |
1224 | DTA_int_08 | 1562.6322 | Mm-hm. | 1563.0204 |
1225 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1563.1884 | and dinner. | 1563.8760 |
1226 | DTA_int_08 | 1564.1969 | Mm-hm. | 1564.5148 |
1228 | | 1564.8081 | Do you cook anything special, like eggnog for Christmas? | 1567.0232 |
1229 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1567.0232 | No, we don't make eggnog. | 1568.9403 |
1230 | | 1569.3168 | <laugh> We have turkey | 1570.4139 |
1231 | DTA_int_08 | 1570.7134 | Uh-huh. | 1570.9978 |
1232 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1572.1365 | and we, uh, make Christmas cookies. | 1574.5064 |
1233 | DTA_int_08 | 1574.6455 | Uh-huh. | 1574.9725 |
1235 | | 1575.6866 | Do you have any customs or anything that you celebrate? | 1577.8054 |
1237 | | 1578.2832 | /you know/? | 1578.7599 |
1238 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1579.6981 | No, we make, uh, a lot out of birthdays. | 1582.7195 |
1239 | DTA_int_08 | 1582.8968 | Mm-hm. | 1583.2329 |
1240 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1583.8594 | And my little ones are very disappointed if, uh, | 1586.4252 |
1242 | | 1586.8013 | we don't have a birthday cake. | 1588.2657 |
1243 | DTA_int_08 | 1588.5789 | Mm-hm. | 1588.8845 |
1244 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1589.2910 | And when my birthday comes up, they wanna know if I'm gonna make my own birthday cake. (laughing) | 1593.1212 |
1246 | | 1593.5704 | When are you gonna get busy? | 1594.9076 |
1247 | DTA_int_08 | 1595.0068 | <laugh> | 1595.5771 |
1249 | | 1596.7294 | Uh-huh. | 1597.1531 |
1251 | | 1597.7226 | And, um, | 1598.7311 |
1253 | | 1599.1233 | what was the best Christmas present you've ever got? | 1601.0842 |
1254 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1604.0589 | I think a doll. | 1605.1300 |
1256 | | 1605.2793 | It seems to me I never had a lot of dolls when I was little, | 1608.1508 |
1257 | DTA_int_08 | 1608.3894 | Mm-hm. | 1608.8053 |
1258 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1609.4717 | and when I got the doll I was really too big to enjoy it. | 1612.5818 |
1259 | DTA_int_08 | 1612.6277 | Mm-hm. | 1612.9499 |
1261 | | 1614.0591 | Mm-hm. | 1614.2710 |
1263 | | 1614.7044 | And there's another holiday that comes around the end of October. | 1617.5117 |
1264 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1618.0833 | <ts> Halloween? | 1618.7011 |
1265 | DTA_int_08 | 1618.7775 | Mm-hm. | 1618.9886 |
1267 | | 1619.1109 | What happens then? | 1619.7563 |
1268 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1620.3099 | The children dress up, and their father | 1622.5513 |
1270 | | 1623.6035 | takes them out. And | 1624.5573 |
1271 | DTA_int_08 | 1624.5757 | Uh-huh. | 1624.8833 |
1272 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1625.0314 | very happy about this. | 1626.5178 |
1273 | DTA_int_08 | 1626.5974 | What do they say when the ring the doorbell? | 1628.0039 |
1274 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1628.4963 | Trick or [treat.] | 1629.3710 |
1275 | DTA_int_08 | 1629.2334 | [What] did you say? | 1630.0905 |
1276 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1630.8509 | We didn't say that. | 1631.9061 |
1277 | DTA_int_08 | 1632.4807 | What did you say? | 1633.2331 |
1278 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1633.3371 | We went begging but we didn't say that. | 1635.6830 |
1279 | DTA_int_08 | 1635.7503 | Uh-huh. | 1636.0714 |
1280 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1636.6888 | I don't know | 1637.4443 |
1282 | | 1638.0805 | what we said. | 1638.9527 |
1283 | DTA_int_08 | 1639.4136 | Uh, did you say, help the poor? | 1640.7833 |
1284 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1641.0805 | Yes. | 1641.7437 |
1286 | | 1642.3065 | Help the poor. | 1643.1507 |
1287 | DTA_int_08 | 1643.1507 | [Okay, uh,] | 1643.9704 |
1288 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1643.4168 | [Mm-hm.] | 1643.9349 |
1289 | DTA_int_08 | 1644.0835 | how- how old is your oldest child? | 1645.7684 |
1290 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1645.9519 | Twenty-three. | 1646.6309 |
1291 | DTA_int_08 | 1647.2732 | What did he say? | 1648.0905 |
1293 | | 1648.3983 | He, she? | 1648.9926 |
1295 | | 1649.8756 | He. | 1650.0529 |
1296 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1651.3616 | Trick or treat. | 1652.3455 |
1297 | DTA_int_08 | 1653.4077 | He did? | 1653.7438 |
1298 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1653.9640 | Yes. | 1654.5634 |
1299 | DTA_int_08 | 1654.6368 | Uh-huh. | 1654.8785 |
1301 | | 1655.2944 | Okay. | 1655.6615 |
1303 | | 1656.0499 | And, uh, some people buy those big orange things that they sit on the front porches. | 1659.4719 |
1304 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1659.7197 | [Pumpkins?] | 1660.3952 |
1305 | DTA_int_08 | 1660.3096 | [Uh-huh.] | 1660.5849 |
1306 | | 1660.9855 | [And.] | 1661.3222 |
1307 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1661.0559 | [We always] have a pumpkin and we do what with it /RD-NAME-2/? | 1664.0861 |
1308 | misc | 1664.6890 | Cut it open and take it all outside and I cut the eyes there. | 1668.9034 |
1310 | | 1669.0543 | /?/ | 1669.2454 |
1312 | | 1669.7898 | See k- I cut the eyes and the nose and you cut the mouth. | 1673.2914 |
1313 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1673.4871 | And we put a candle inside | 1675.1720 |
1314 | misc | 1675.1842 | Yeah. | 1675.5035 |
1315 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1675.7959 | [to light it.] | 1676.4626 |
1316 | misc | 1675.8204 | [You wasn't here] when we did it. | 1677.5668 |
1317 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1679.0528 | Where was I? | 1679.8278 |
1318 | misc | 1680.1998 | You were at the supermarket, I think. | 1682.9275 |
1319 | DTA_int_08 | 1684.1200 | <laugh> | 1684.9907 |
1320 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1685.6492 | Uh-huh. | 1685.9395 |
1321 | DTA_int_08 | 1686.0101 | And, uh, some of the girls like to get dressed up like those ugly things that ride on the brooms. | 1689.7630 |
1322 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1690.6521 | The witches? | 1691.3862 |
1323 | misc | 1692.9311 | [My mom's] a witch. | 1694.2241 |
1324 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1692.9487 | [Right?] | 1693.2289 |
1325 | DTA_int_08 | 1694.6492 | <laugh> | 1695.1722 |
1327 | | 1695.8023 | And, uh, | 1696.4045 |
1329 | | 1696.6858 | do the [children ever tend to get into any] /physical/- | 1699.1335 |
1330 | misc | 1697.0406 | [/unintelligible/.] | 1698.3037 |
1331 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1699.6032 | Pardon me? | 1699.9610 |
1332 | DTA_int_08 | 1700.4168 | children. Do they tend get [/inaudible/?] | 1703.1407 |
1333 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1702.0343 | [No, my children] have been everything else but not fighters. | 1705.3799 |
1334 | DTA_int_08 | 1705.6797 | Mm-hm. | 1705.9702 |
1336 | | 1706.2822 | How about when you lived as a child? | 1707.7598 |
1337 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1708.5818 | I think I got in a couple of fights once. | 1710.8036 |
1338 | DTA_int_08 | 1710.8814 | Uh-huh. | 1711.2454 |
1340 | | 1711.3983 | What kind of things do the fights start about? | 1713.0254 |
1341 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1713.5148 | Well I think once I was defending my little sister. | 1716.2915 |
1343 | | 1716.8753 | I think this was the only time. | 1718.1966 |
1344 | DTA_int_08 | 1718.8327 | Mm-hm. | 1719.1080 |
1345 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1720.4778 | And, um, | 1721.4596 |
1347 | | 1724.6523 | we were not | 1725.2456 |
1349 | | 1725.4108 | taught to fight when we were called names. | 1727.9367 |
1350 | DTA_int_08 | 1728.1111 | Mm-hm. | 1728.3404 |
1351 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1728.3618 | Instead we | 1729.1658 |
1353 | | 1729.8723 | were taught to feel sorry for these children, because | 1732.7561 |
1355 | | 1733.3525 | they hadn't been taught manners. | 1734.9797 |
1356 | DTA_int_08 | 1735.1200 | Mm-hm. | 1735.4686 |
1357 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1735.5634 | And I use this philosophy with my children. I think it's pretty good. | 1738.5879 |
1358 | DTA_int_08 | 1738.9213 | Mm-hm. | 1739.3220 |
1360 | | 1740.4934 | Were there, uh- | 1741.4656 |
1362 | | 1742.2822 | I noticed that in speaking of this, you always use the word | 1744.9702 |
1364 | | 1745.3005 | Negro when you do | 1746.5423 |
1366 | | 1746.8263 | specify yourself or- like in the movies and everything. | 1749.7407 |
1368 | | 1750.1842 | Is, uh- of all the different terms that Negro, colored, Black. Would Negro be the one that you would prefer to be | 1754.7716 |
1370 | | 1755.4658 | called? If it had to be narrowed [down?] | 1757.5269 |
1371 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1757.3434 | [Oh,] I don't [know. You see,] when you speak of colored people | 1760.8021 |
1372 | DTA_int_08 | 1757.9830 | [/inaudible/] | 1758.3794 |
1373 | | 1760.8113 | [Uh-huh.] | 1761.0988 |
1374 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1760.9520 | [I] understand that | 1762.0658 |
1375 | | 1762.3340 | this refers to anyone who isn't white. | 1764.3221 |
1377 | | 1764.9517 | So this would take in Mexicans, | 1767.0652 |
1378 | DTA_int_08 | 1767.0805 | We were always [told in school] that | 1768.6303 |
1379 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1767.6616 | [Indians.] | 1768.2624 |
1380 | DTA_int_08 | 1769.8878 | white was the absence of color, so we were the colored people. | 1773.1429 |
1382 | | 1774.3251 | In a Polish school, this /the thing they taught us/. | 1776.3955 |
1383 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1776.7503 | [In the Polish- are you] Polish? | 1777.9488 |
1384 | DTA_int_08 | 1776.8416 | [Black people-] | 1777.4869 |
1385 | | 1777.9488 | yes. They'd say, | 1778.5972 |
1387 | | 1778.8511 | Black people aren't the colored people. | 1780.5188 |
1389 | | 1780.7090 | We are the colored people, cause white is the absence of color. | 1784.3770 |
1391 | | 1784.8240 | And black is, | 1785.8486 |
1393 | | 1786.2270 | uh, | 1786.4166 |
1395 | | 1786.5573 | colored people- or something like that. | 1788.1814 |
1396 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1788.3190 | [Yes.] | 1788.8487 |
1397 | DTA_int_08 | 1788.5144 | [But anyway] they always told us that we were [the colored people.] | 1790.9795 |
1398 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1790.3617 | [Is that right?] | 1791.6139 |
1399 | DTA_int_08 | 1791.7350 | [<laugh>] | 1792.4044 |
1400 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1792.3738 | [Then] what does that makes us then? [The Blacks.] | 1794.3496 |
1401 | DTA_int_08 | 1793.7899 | [<laugh>] | 1794.1019 |
1402 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1795.1169 | Well [I have heard-] | 1796.2883 |
1403 | DTA_int_08 | 1795.3646 | [I know /?/.] | 1795.8237 |
1405 | | 1796.1124 | [<laugh>] | 1796.3617 |
1406 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1796.5880 | I have heard that to- uh, | 1798.3035 |
1408 | | 1799.2057 | I've heard, um, | 1800.3557 |
1410 | | 1802.6064 | Negroes refer to as Blacks. | 1804.8479 |
1412 | | 1805.9184 | But I don't really don't know. | 1807.2484 |
1413 | DTA_int_08 | 1807.6430 | Mm-hm. | 1807.9060 |
1414 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1807.9243 | Because we were taught there is a red race, | 1810.3799 |
1416 | | 1810.6399 | yellow race, black race, | 1812.2832 |
1418 | | 1812.5270 | and white [race.] | 1813.5053 |
1419 | DTA_int_08 | 1813.3279 | [Mm-hm.] | 1813.6338 |
1420 | | 1814.7746 | Mm-hm. | 1815.0896 |
1421 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1815.8084 | But today with all the talk, | 1817.6492 |
1423 | | 1817.8969 | it narrows down to, uh, white and non-white. | 1820.9092 |
1424 | DTA_int_08 | 1821.1325 | Mm-hm. | 1821.4719 |
1426 | | 1822.7317 | Mm-hm. | 1823.0872 |
1427 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1823.3739 | But I think Negroes | 1824.9368 |
1429 | | 1825.0557 | really specifies a group of people. | 1827.4719 |
1430 | DTA_int_08 | 1827.7376 | Mm-hm. | 1828.0741 |
1431 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1828.0741 | The American Negro. | 1829.2638 |
1432 | | 1829.8572 | You don't even call the Africans Negro, you see, they're Africans. | 1833.1110 |
1433 | DTA_int_08 | 1833.1814 | Mm-hm. | 1833.5674 |
1435 | | 1835.7899 | Mm-hm. | 1836.1339 |
1436 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1836.3435 | So I really think this is the most accurate description. | 1838.9887 |
1437 | DTA_int_08 | 1839.3435 | Mm-hm. | 1839.6555 |
1439 | | 1840.3249 | Mm-hm. | 1840.5634 |
1441 | | 1840.9243 | Would there be any names from | 1842.7013 |
1443 | | 1843.2086 | certain list that you would just abhor being called? | 1845.4934 |
1445 | | 1846.9672 | You would just- | 1847.4412 |
1446 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1847.5972 | You mean like nigger? | 1848.5454 |
1447 | DTA_int_08 | 1848.7044 | yeah. | 1848.9032 |
1448 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1852.0374 | Yes, I wouldn't want to be called nigger. It would be upsetting. | 1855.2484 |
1449 | DTA_int_08 | 1855.5971 | Mm-hm. | 1855.9060 |
1450 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1855.9549 | We had some very good white friends who were quite fond of us, | 1859.2180 |
1452 | | 1859.7501 | and in telling a story once he said, | 1861.4626 |
1454 | | 1861.7011 | there's a nigger in the wood pile. | 1863.0684 |
1456 | | 1864.5451 | And I was a little taken back. I don't know if he ever realized that I was a little upset. | 1869.0835 |
1458 | | 1869.7350 | But I sort of had the feeling that you never assume that anyone is that well adjusted. | 1873.8356 |
1459 | DTA_int_08 | 1874.2057 | Mm-hm. | 1874.5439 |
1460 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1874.8572 | Although, I think when you can laugh and tell jokes it means that you | 1878.4016 |
1462 | | 1878.6769 | feel pretty secure about who you are. | 1880.5941 |
1463 | DTA_int_08 | 1880.9245 | [Mm-hm.] | 1881.1813 |
1464 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1880.9673 | [Maybe,] I don't know. | 1881.9729 |
1465 | DTA_int_08 | 1882.0150 | When you're with [friends. <laugh>] | 1883.5683 |
1466 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1882.8540 | [Yes.] | 1883.3984 |
1467 | DTA_int_08 | 1883.8602 | Uh-huh. | 1884.1331 |
1468 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1884.5301 | But, um, | 1885.5971 |
1470 | | 1885.9966 | I have learned not | 1887.7594 |
1472 | | 1888.3432 | to get upset, though. | 1889.5880 |
1473 | DTA_int_08 | 1889.7930 | Mm-hm. | 1890.1529 |
1474 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1890.3517 | But more, you just really feel sorry for people | 1893.3924 |
1476 | | 1894.0894 | who, um, | 1894.9733 |
1478 | | 1895.1293 | aren't mature enough or secure enough within themselves | 1899.0554 |
1480 | | 1899.5759 | to accept other people. | 1900.7164 |
1481 | DTA_int_08 | 1900.8968 | Mm-hm. | 1901.2219 |
1482 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1901.3066 | Because I think this is what it is. | 1902.7961 |
1483 | DTA_int_08 | 1903.0802 | [Mm-hm.] | 1903.3799 |
1484 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1903.3310 | [Really,] it is. | 1904.1140 |
1485 | DTA_int_08 | 1905.6983 | Mm-hm. | 1905.9644 |
1486 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1907.6859 | So it's been a long time | 1909.7102 |
1488 | | 1910.7134 | since I've been called that. | 1911.8053 |
1490 | | 1912.3065 | And I don't think these children, um, | 1914.2303 |
1492 | | 1916.1354 | will have it. | 1917.0346 |
1494 | | 1917.4536 | My son said at Michigan State that, um, | 1919.9581 |
1496 | | 1920.3863 | there was quite a racial, | 1921.5940 |
1498 | | 1923.1263 | um, | 1923.8053 |
1500 | | 1925.0283 | I shouldn't say it was quite a- I was gonna say it was a racial difference, but he said that you were made to feel | 1929.3985 |
1502 | | 1930.1169 | outside of the group. | 1931.1629 |
1503 | DTA_int_08 | 1931.4351 | Really? | 1931.7012 |
1504 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1931.8266 | [Mm-hm.] | 1932.2701 |
1505 | DTA_int_08 | 1932.2273 | [When] did your son go there? | 1933.4197 |
1506 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1933.4350 | Uh, | 1935.1569 |
1508 | | 1935.8512 | it's been about three years now. | 1937.1568 |
1510 | | 1937.9092 | He should have graduated in June and did not. | 1940.2088 |
1511 | DTA_int_08 | 1940.4810 | Mm-hm. | 1940.8002 |
1512 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1941.1844 | So I would say it's been four years. Three and four years ago. | 1944.0652 |
1514 | | 1944.4383 | And I have a friend whose son went to University of Michigan, | 1946.9703 |
1515 | DTA_int_08 | 1947.2364 | Mm-hm. | 1947.4919 |
1516 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1947.8114 | and this has only been two years ago. It w- | 1949.9489 |
1518 | | 1950.3037 | she said that he | 1951.0526 |
1520 | | 1951.2178 | felt, uh- he was made to feel, um, | 1953.5759 |
1522 | | 1953.6860 | out of place in a certain restaurant. | 1955.4596 |
1524 | | 1956.5270 | That their | 1957.4013 |
1526 | | 1957.5481 | remarks were unbearable, | 1959.4016 |
1528 | | 1960.7561 | and he avoided eating here. | 1962.0223 |
1530 | | 1962.3374 | This is quite recent. | 1963.6062 |
1531 | DTA_int_08 | 1965.5545 | I'd be surprised to hear that at Michigan State, because there was | 1967.8954 |
1533 | | 1968.2915 | so much in this interacial dating going on that it would- | 1971.3802 |
1535 | | 1971.7380 | you know what I [mean?] (laughing) | 1972.5632 |
1536 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1972.1536 | [He said] that, um, | 1973.7110 |
1537 | | 1974.1722 | uh, mim- Negroes had been mimicked | 1976.4884 |
1539 | | 1977.0713 | by groups. | 1977.7625 |
1540 | DTA_int_08 | 1978.4197 | Mm-hm. | 1978.7102 |
1541 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1979.2271 | Just standing and talking and, uh, | 1981.3860 |
1543 | | 1981.8448 | when a group of, um, | 1983.2028 |
1545 | | 1983.9949 | boys would pass | 1985.2895 |
1547 | | 1986.0132 | or | 1986.5117 |
1549 | | 1986.8665 | kids, uh, someone would mimic. | 1989.1537 |
1550 | DTA_int_08 | 1989.7590 | Uh-huh. | 1990.0522 |
1551 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1990.8632 | Make derogatory remarks | 1992.8023 |
1553 | | 1993.5757 | at Michigan State. | 1994.6003 |
1554 | DTA_int_08 | 1994.9153 | Mm-hm. | 1995.2762 |
1555 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 1997.0069 | But when you think that these students come from all over the state, | 1999.9641 |
1557 | | 2002.4166 | it was- it isn't too hard to understand. | 2004.5148 |
1558 | DTA_int_08 | 2005.2331 | Mm-hm. | 2005.6521 |
1560 | | 2010.1997 | /What do you mean?/ | 2010.7796 |
1561 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2011.5298 | Well you just- | 2012.2210 |
1563 | | 2012.6125 | uh, you would either go along with the person- with whom you are friendly, | 2016.0132 |
1565 | | 2017.9977 | or you, uh, you get a reaction from what you read in the newspaper. | 2021.4993 |
1566 | DTA_int_08 | 2021.6798 | [Uh-huh.] | 2021.9673 |
1567 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2021.7287 | [Or what] you see. | 2022.6432 |
1568 | DTA_int_08 | 2022.8114 | Uh-huh. | 2023.1800 |
1569 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2024.0772 | And you would form your attitude | 2025.8818 |
1571 | | 2026.0802 | from this. | 2026.7753 |
1572 | DTA_int_08 | 2026.9182 | Mm-hm. | 2027.2057 |
1573 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2027.9214 | Until you had an opportunity to associate or | 2031.1600 |
1575 | | 2031.4505 | make, um, | 2032.5665 |
1577 | | 2033.0864 | a decision for yourself. | 2034.4291 |
1578 | DTA_int_08 | 2034.6554 | Mm-hm. | 2035.0282 |
1579 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2035.4166 | I read in the paper just last night, a letter from a Mr. | 2038.8540 |
1581 | | 2039.3372 | /RD-NAME-3/. | 2040.1508 |
1582 | DTA_int_08 | 2040.2334 | Mm-hm. | 2040.4933 |
1583 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2041.1046 | And he was saying that he could not understand | 2043.6799 |
1585 | | 2044.4135 | why | 2044.9427 |
1587 | | 2045.1935 | the colored people | 2046.6418 |
1589 | | 2047.1505 | wanted to move where they weren't wanted. | 2049.1936 |
1591 | | 2049.3159 | And how proud he was to live in | 2051.0844 |
1593 | | 2051.3007 | a Polish ghetto. | 2052.2395 |
1595 | | 2052.5637 | He felt very secure | 2054.0252 |
1597 | | 2054.4320 | from the Anglo-Saxon world. | 2056.1663 |
1599 | | 2056.4747 | This is what he said. | 2057.4045 |
1601 | | 2058.1508 | And he said that there were many successful | 2060.6034 |
1603 | | 2061.1967 | Negroes and many successful white people, and these people had gained | 2065.3414 |
1605 | | 2066.0834 | their success, because | 2068.4900 |
1607 | | 2069.2485 | of hard work. | 2070.1477 |
1609 | | 2071.7377 | I [don't write letters.] | 2073.1018 |
1610 | misc | 2071.9671 | [/Where was daddy born?/] | 2073.5312 |
1611 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2073.3679 | [Excuse] me. | 2074.0050 |
1612 | | 2075.0436 | Chicago. | 2075.6836 |
1613 | misc | 2076.0621 | Yeah, [Chicago.] | 2077.3733 |
1614 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2077.1046 | [I don't] write letters, but I'm very happy that I'm having this opportunity to answer this on tape. | 2082.2870 |
1615 | | 2083.3952 | I wanted to write and tell him that I have been a good, | 2086.2881 |
1617 | | 2086.4258 | clean, [quiet Negro all of my life.] | 2089.0312 |
1618 | misc | 2087.1659 | [/unintelligible/ mommy] and poppy born? | 2091.2107 |
1619 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2092.5542 | Poppy was born in Florida and mommy was born in Georgia. | 2095.7928 |
1621 | | 2097.8599 | To tell him that although I had the characteristics that he said were so necessary for gaining respect, | 2104.0893 |
1623 | | 2104.3768 | he said that | 2105.3840 |
1625 | | 2105.9917 | no law could change | 2107.4716 |
1627 | | 2107.6093 | attitudes about [Negroes.] | 2109.6830 |
1628 | misc | 2108.7440 | [Where did mom /unintelligible/?] | 2109.9552 |
1629 | | 2110.1994 | I forgot. | 2110.8148 |
1630 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2111.0222 | Pardon me? | 2111.4504 |
1631 | misc | 2111.6920 | Where's mommy? I forgot. | 2113.0924 |
1632 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2113.2300 | Where was she born? | 2113.9702 |
1634 | | 2114.2118 | In Georgia. | 2114.7892 |
1635 | misc | 2115.4195 | /??/ | 2115.8505 |
1637 | | 2116.3279 | Mommy's born in Georgia. | 2118.0529 |
1638 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2118.0529 | He said no law could change the attitude | 2120.9380 |
1639 | | 2121.1661 | about Negroes. Only the Negroes could do that themselves | 2124.3022 |
1641 | | 2124.4536 | by | 2124.8420 |
1643 | | 2125.0163 | working hard and being [industrious.] | 2127.0688 |
1644 | misc | 2126.9061 | [Granny /born/?] | 2128.0225 |
1645 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2128.5114 | [Granny was born in St. Louis.] | 2130.4092 |
1646 | misc | 2128.5481 | [/mommy and daddy, mommy and daddy/.] | 2130.4405 |
1647 | DTA_int_08 | 2131.2637 | Uh. | 2131.6429 |
1648 | misc | 2132.9734 | /RD-NAME-2/ threw up. | 2134.0129 |
1649 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2134.4472 | Could you take care of it for me? | 2135.7685 |
1651 | | 2136.5465 | Get some tissue. | 2137.4564 |
1653 | | 2139.3740 | Um- | 2139.8878 |
1655 | | 2142.1171 | um. | 2142.8084 |
1657 | | 2144.1537 | He felt that, uh, | 2145.2731 |
1659 | | 2146.4533 | respect | 2147.2621 |
1661 | | 2147.9673 | would be given to Negroes when they earned it. | 2149.7741 |
1662 | DTA_int_08 | 2150.1629 | Mm-hm. | 2150.5228 |
1663 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2151.4994 | And I wanted to tell him- | 2152.8387 |
1664 | misc | 2152.8754 | No, what happened? | 2153.8767 |
1666 | | 2154.3068 | see, /unintelligible/ and, um, | 2155.9946 |
1668 | | 2156.1568 | /unintelligible/ /RD-NAME-2/ on himself and now he threw up on him. | 2158.7744 |
1669 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2158.8907 | Get a towel and take care of it, will you /RD-NAME-2/? | 2161.1388 |
1671 | | 2162.9153 | Um, | 2163.4719 |
1673 | | 2164.2820 | I wanted to say that I had been a good, quiet, clean Negro all of my life. | 2168.8945 |
1675 | | 2169.4903 | And still when we wanted a house or wanted a job, | 2172.7004 |
1677 | | 2173.0037 | people took one look and said no. | 2175.0957 |
1679 | | 2177.4075 | And I w- wonder if he really realizes that | 2179.6215 |
1681 | | 2179.7877 | this isn't the way, | 2181.2731 |
1682 | DTA_int_08 | 2181.8293 | Mm-hm. | 2182.1688 |
1683 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2183.8908 | um, | 2184.5946 |
1685 | | 2186.5849 | respect would be given. | 2187.9123 |
1686 | misc | 2188.6112 | /RD-NAME-2/ | 2189.1836 |
1687 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2189.4075 | And I think this is why so many of the young people are rebelling today. | 2192.9887 |
1689 | | 2193.5790 | Because they have been clean and quiet. <laugh> | 2196.0272 |
1691 | | 2196.8268 | And wore white shirts at the right time and wore ties, | 2199.5912 |
1693 | | 2199.9032 | and they were still denied | 2201.2093 |
1695 | | 2201.8480 | some of the freedoms that were | 2203.6187 |
1697 | | 2204.4993 | just theirs. | 2205.4056 |
1699 | | 2206.4808 | Because they were born. | 2207.9088 |
1700 | DTA_int_08 | 2207.9825 | Mm-hm. | 2208.3373 |
1701 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2209.3891 | And, um, | 2210.3759 |
1703 | | 2211.1691 | a very fine | 2212.1719 |
1705 | | 2212.4043 | Polish | 2212.9965 |
1707 | | 2213.6186 | assistant principal, Ms. /RD-NAME-1/, | 2215.2912 |
1709 | | 2215.7316 | she was such a wonderful person and we used to talk and talk. | 2218.7989 |
1711 | | 2219.4962 | And one day she said, um, | 2221.5603 |
1713 | | 2221.9212 | the same thing. | 2222.8113 |
1715 | | 2224.2789 | That you have to earn it. | 2225.8235 |
1717 | | 2226.9670 | And I was talking with my husband about it, and- | 2229.2395 |
1719 | | 2229.7594 | and he gave me the idea, he says, what did she do to earn hers? | 2233.3357 |
1721 | | 2234.4809 | You see, and this is the answer. | 2235.8267 |
1722 | DTA_int_08 | 2236.0679 | Mm-hm. | 2236.4554 |
1723 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2236.8234 | And I also wanted to tell this man, if I wrote a letter, | 2239.7805 |
1725 | | 2240.1170 | that would he want somebody to look at his hair or his eyes | 2243.4320 |
1727 | | 2245.1811 | and just say no? | 2246.2424 |
1729 | | 2247.5545 | Without even- | 2248.3493 |
1731 | | 2248.5206 | even | 2249.0803 |
1733 | | 2249.2730 | probing further. | 2250.1966 |
1735 | | 2252.0252 | And I think it's very fine when people want to live together and band together. | 2255.9367 |
1737 | | 2256.4903 | But with Negroes | 2257.5439 |
1739 | | 2257.7530 | just being the same color isn't enough. | 2259.6187 |
1741 | | 2261.2179 | Some | 2261.5819 |
1743 | | 2261.7287 | people are individuals and they want | 2263.4777 |
1745 | | 2264.1353 | things that are different. | 2265.1508 |
1746 | DTA_int_08 | 2265.4260 | [Mm-hm.] | 2265.7497 |
1747 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2265.6248 | [And] being the same color | 2266.9151 |
1748 | | 2267.3219 | isn't enough | 2268.3648 |
1750 | | 2269.1291 | to give people a feeling one oneness. | 2271.4107 |
1751 | DTA_int_08 | 2271.4658 | Mm-hm. | 2271.7575 |
1752 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2273.4412 | So that's the answer to Mr. /RD-NAME-3/'s letter. <laugh> | 2275.9640 |
1754 | | 2277.1202 | He was very [bitter.] | 2278.4305 |
1755 | DTA_int_08 | 2277.2456 | [/unintelligible/ /And you'll help me/ /inaudible/.] | 2279.7103 |
1756 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2278.8172 | [He was very bitter] about this housing [business.] | 2281.8723 |
1757 | DTA_int_08 | 2281.8203 | [Uh-huh.] | 2282.2240 |
1758 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2283.5239 | But [I think-] | 2284.2840 |
1759 | DTA_int_08 | 2283.6917 | [/Put this up/] on | 2284.5220 |
1760 | | 2284.6613 | radio tomorrow. <laugh> | 2285.9498 |
1761 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2286.0498 | uh, | 2286.5086 |
1763 | | 2287.0067 | /RD-NAME-2/ put him back in the playpen. | 2288.8510 |
1765 | | 2289.8844 | [Uh,] | 2290.1138 |
1766 | misc | 2290.0342 | [But] he'll start [crying.] | 2291.3281 |
1767 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2291.2729 | [well] he won't, uh, cry too long. | 2293.5053 |
1768 | DTA_int_08 | 2294.3953 | <laugh> | 2294.6710 |
1769 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2295.2914 | Uh, | 2295.5239 |
1771 | | 2295.6467 | it's too bad I didn't get him set up. | 2297.1160 |
1772 | DTA_int_08 | 2297.3249 | <laugh> That's okay. | 2298.5092 |
1773 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2299.8295 | Put him back, will you /RD-NAME-2/? | 2301.1232 |
1775 | | 2301.3343 | And then I'll take care of him. /Alright/? | 2303.0134 |
1776 | DTA_int_08 | 2305.4747 | <laugh> | 2306.0044 |
1778 | | 2306.8388 | Alright. | 2307.1140 |
1780 | | 2307.5820 | And, uh, | 2307.9266 |
1782 | | 2308.1076 | have you ever been in the hospital? | 2309.5207 |
1783 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2309.9742 | Just to have babies. | 2311.0170 |
1784 | DTA_int_08 | 2311.2342 | Uh-huh. | 2311.5003 |
1786 | | 2311.7939 | Uh, can you recall the worst illness you ever had? | 2313.9681 |
1787 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2314.3106 | Strep throat in nineteen fifty. | 2316.0050 |
1788 | DTA_int_08 | 2316.3476 | Can you tell me what happened? | 2317.5767 |
1789 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2319.3751 | I had just started to teach school [and I] guess, um, | 2322.7509 |
1790 | DTA_int_08 | 2321.3016 | [Mm-hm.] | 2321.5570 |
1791 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2322.8763 | using my voice | 2324.0538 |
1793 | | 2324.9286 | too much made it the weakest part of my body. | 2327.5983 |
1794 | DTA_int_08 | 2327.7175 | Mm-hm. | 2328.0441 |
1795 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2328.5831 | And I had a very serious throat infection, which was strep throat, and I was really sick. I have never been this sick. | 2335.2189 |
1797 | | 2335.7143 | I had | 2336.0141 |
1799 | | 2336.3352 | fever and chills at the same time. | 2338.3504 |
1800 | DTA_int_08 | 2338.8612 | Mm-hm. | 2339.2312 |
1801 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2339.4667 | And I was sick for about a week. | 2340.8025 |
1802 | DTA_int_08 | 2341.0653 | Uh-huh. | 2341.3759 |
1803 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2341.9346 | I was not in the hospital, I went for medication and | 2344.6226 |
1805 | | 2344.9009 | I was given an antibiotic. | 2346.4695 |
1806 | DTA_int_08 | 2346.9528 | Mm-hm. | 2347.2678 |
1807 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2347.4177 | Which caused my face to break out in fever blisters. | 2351.3680 |
1809 | | 2351.8521 | But I was | 2352.4604 |
1811 | | 2352.7417 | just miserable. | 2354.0043 |
1812 | DTA_int_08 | 2354.1548 | Mm-hm. | 2354.5401 |
1814 | | 2355.5582 | Mm-hm. | 2355.8733 |
1815 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2356.1179 | Other than that I haven't been ill. | 2357.9622 |
1816 | DTA_int_08 | 2358.1488 | Mm-hm. | 2358.3839 |
1818 | | 2358.8365 | Have you ever been- excuse me, | 2360.0118 |
1820 | | 2360.1884 | car accident? | 2360.8643 |
1821 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2361.2375 | Pardon me? | 2361.5643 |
1822 | DTA_int_08 | 2361.8457 | Have you ever been in a car accident? | 2363.4545 |
1823 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2363.9622 | No. | 2364.3694 |
1824 | DTA_int_08 | 2364.5857 | Mm-hm. | 2364.8383 |
1826 | | 2365.0384 | Have you seen any bad one? | 2366.4178 |
1827 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2367.0876 | No. | 2367.4822 |
1829 | | 2368.3534 | Thankfully. | 2368.9529 |
1830 | DTA_int_08 | 2369.2924 | Have you ever been in a situation where you thought you were gonna get killed or die? | 2373.1488 |
1831 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2373.6958 | No. | 2374.0323 |
1832 | DTA_int_08 | 2374.9376 | Ever dream about dying? | 2376.0377 |
1833 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2377.2433 | Yes, I think so. | 2378.4115 |
1834 | DTA_int_08 | 2379.6744 | Can you tell me what you dreamt? | 2380.7388 |
1835 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2381.0049 | No, it's- | 2381.9163 |
1837 | | 2382.5586 | /or it/- | 2383.1210 |
1839 | | 2383.5400 | probably being in tense situations, feeling that harm will come to you or that you are going to be harmed, | 2388.9069 |
1840 | DTA_int_08 | 2388.9558 | Mm-hm. | 2389.2838 |
1841 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2389.9376 | and, um, | 2390.9564 |
1843 | | 2392.0476 | running to get away. Maybe | 2393.9194 |
1844 | DTA_int_08 | 2394.8151 | Mm-hm. | 2395.1257 |
1845 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2395.3290 | from a group or from people who are going to harm you. | 2398.5736 |
1847 | | 2399.6625 | Being | 2400.3292 |
1849 | | 2400.6683 | somewhere and not being able to handle the situation. I can't remember specifically. | 2405.2832 |
1850 | DTA_int_08 | 2405.4790 | Mkay. | 2405.8185 |
1851 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2406.2069 | But, uh, | 2406.9314 |
1853 | | 2407.0782 | always relieved upon awaking. | 2409.0815 |
1854 | DTA_int_08 | 2409.2161 | Uh-huh. | 2409.4759 |
1856 | | 2409.9589 | And, uh, | 2410.4973 |
1858 | | 2410.8336 | it- sometimes | 2411.5983 |
1860 | | 2411.7787 | when people talk about fate, | 2413.3333 |
1862 | | 2413.6042 | something's gonna happen to you, | 2414.8215 |
1864 | | 2415.0182 | it's gonna happen regardless. | 2416.2892 |
1866 | | 2416.6807 | What do you think about that? | 2417.5950 |
1867 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2420.3444 | That maybe this is true. | 2421.5342 |
1868 | DTA_int_08 | 2421.9252 | Mm-hm. | 2422.1502 |
1870 | | 2422.4421 | Did you ever have any incidents that made you feel this way? | 2424.7743 |
1871 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2425.6195 | No, but I'm beginning to think that, uh, | 2427.8121 |
1873 | | 2429.6839 | as human beings maybe we don't have as much control over our lives [as we] would like. | 2434.9590 |
1874 | DTA_int_08 | 2433.9069 | [Mm-hm.] | 2434.1957 |
1875 | | 2435.2740 | Mm-hm. | 2435.5952 |
1876 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2437.0445 | And I guess maybe I'm a pessimist. When I look at all of the misery in the world, I wonder why it was ever | 2443.0935 |
1878 | | 2443.3412 | created. | 2443.9162 |
1879 | DTA_int_08 | 2444.0691 | Mm-hm. | 2444.3322 |
1880 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2444.8460 | The harm that comes to little children | 2446.9605 |
1881 | DTA_int_08 | 2447.1058 | Mm-hm. | 2447.4361 |
1882 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2448.3659 | they are born here | 2449.6012 |
1884 | | 2450.8154 | and | 2451.3869 |
1886 | | 2451.5184 | in some countries the parents are helpless. | 2454.0356 |
1888 | | 2454.2436 | Not able to provide for their needs. | 2456.5371 |
1889 | DTA_int_08 | 2456.8796 | [Mm-hm.] | 2457.1583 |
1890 | DTA_se3_ag3_f_02 | 2457.0937 | [Not] able to protect them from war. | 2459.2190 |
1891 | | 2460.7172 | And | 2461.3595 |
1893 | | 2462.2802 | it seems so unfair | 2463.5005 |
1895 | | 2463.7631 | that children who can't handle their | 2466.6290 |
1897 | | 2466.8365 | needs | 2467.3871 |
1899 | | 2467.8214 | would be in situations like [this.] | 2469.7050 |
1900 | DTA_int_08 | 2469.6622 | [Mm-hm.] | 2470.1057 |