Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	DTA_int_04	0.2515	Ah.	0.5322
3		0.6215	Well then.	1.0914
5		1.2866	Can you remember some of the that games you used to play with the kids when you were young?	5.7445
7		6.8462	With your friends in grade school.	8.6097
8	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	9.0716	Uh, in grade school? Or- uh,	10.8473
10		11.2317	or, uh, outside? You mean both in school and out of [school?]	14.5427
11	DTA_int_04	14.2742	[Outside] of school. After school got out.	16.3429
12	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	16.6419	Well, one of the ones I had a lot of fun with was a game called Pum Pum Pull Away, I remember that.	20.6420
13	DTA_int_04	20.7015	How do you play that?	21.5192
14	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	22.6420	Uh, let's see.	23.9356
16		24.7472	It's one of these games that was played, uh,	26.5837
18		27.1425	uh, where kids would line up on one side of a yard	30.2856
20		30.8592	or	31.1948
22		31.3657	street. <laugh>	32.5819
24		33.0030	And uh,	33.8451
26		35.3584	uh,	36.0297
28		36.7314	a	36.9450
30		37.8336	youngster in the center would say, pum pum pull away, get your horse and run away.	41.3545
32		41.7573	And when he says that,	42.6177
34		42.8705	then everyone would have to run over to the other side.	44.7139
36		45.1533	And	45.5804
38		45.6780	this kid would tag	46.9368
40		47.1199	someone.	47.5532
42		47.9376	And when he tags him, then, uh, that person would have to stay in the center of the street.	51.6288
44		52.0193	And	52.3830
46		52.5051	you can see this, uh, as you went on, more and more would get into the center of the street and it'd become	57.0301
48		57.2758	more and more difficult for those, uh,	58.9433
50		59.0470	on the other side to get across, and so.	60.8960
52		61.2194	This was one of them and	62.2384
53	DTA_int_04	62.5599	[Mm-hm.]	62.8285
54	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	62.7388	[you] usually wound up with one person who uh, was last and who won, [you know. (laughing)]	66.9115
55	DTA_int_04	65.5994	[/Yeah/]	66.1334
57		66.4476	[<laugh>]	66.9052
58	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	67.0698	Uh.	67.3526
59	DTA_int_04	67.5645	Yeah. And what were the-	68.5437
61		68.6500	what were some of the other games?	69.6095
62	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	70.7079	Um.	71.7941
64		74.5276	/Mask/.	75.6626
66		77.6935	That one, I remember cause I enjoy it so much.	80.1404
67	DTA_int_04	80.3635	Did you ever play one where kids go and hide and one goes looking for ['em?]	83.8024
68	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	83.6154	[Oh.] Hide and seek, yes.	84.8404
69	DTA_int_04	85.0830	Mm-hm.	85.3486
70	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	85.4384	Yeah. We used to play that.	86.3537
71	DTA_int_04	86.7777	How did you get the person who was it	88.1830
73		89.6214	first time?	90.1767
74	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	90.7381	Um.	91.4337
76		92.6410	<ts>	92.7278
78		93.6825	How did we do that?	94.8114
80		95.1898	It seems to me that uh, t- we s-	97.1361
82		97.2825	w- it's	97.6182
84		98.1734	ti-	98.3565
86		98.6677	I don't know whether we wanted to be it the first time or not.	101.8694
88		102.0830	And because it se- it seems that I can remember, I'm it, I'm it, No, I'm it. And this sort of thing, but [the.]	106.8678
89	DTA_int_04	106.6908	[Well], how would get to /unintelligible/?	108.3689
90	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	108.5703	I've forgotten.	109.2354
92		109.4307	I'm sorry, I wish I could tell you, but I've forgotten.	111.6547
93	DTA_int_04	112.0089	Mm-hm.	112.3445
94	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	112.3994	I mean, we might've pulled straws, you know how you, uh	115.0538
96		115.2491	ki-	115.6640
97	DTA_int_04	115.9142	Um. Did they ever say any rhymes when they didn't get /??/?	118.3998
98	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	119.7788	Yes, but	120.5490
100		120.8771	tryna- we had	121.8999
102		122.4369	many of 'em, but I can't remember.	124.3601
103	DTA_int_04	124.5907	[/?/]	124.8999
104	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	124.7750	[Uh], you mean during the it, uh	126.5124
105	DTA_int_04	126.5124	Yeah, [/during it, maybe/.]	127.4195
106	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	126.7626	thing?	127.1105
107		128.0325	Um.	128.6672
109		129.4378	<ts> Um.	130.0894
111		132.8416	I got up to let them in, I'm trying to think, uh,	135.3824
113		136.6700	of how it went o- went on (laughing) it was this uh.	139.3497
115		139.8012	Hit 'em on the head with a rolling pin. Uh,	141.7385
117		142.9040	I can remember that part of it, but I can't remember any of-	145.2315
119		145.4146	the beginning of it.	146.3068
120	DTA_int_04	147.2086	Did you ever play marbles?	148.1972
121	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	148.6426	Yes.	149.0454
122	DTA_int_04	149.4359	Um. Did you ever have any names for them? Or how did you play [marbles?]	152.3952
123	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	152.2830	[Well,] we had our, uh,	153.7231
124		154.7481	we had names.	155.5517
126		156.1029	We had boulders,	157.0731
128		158.5193	We had uh,	159.4026
130		159.6881	your regular marbles.	160.8636
132		161.6075	What else did we have?	162.6319
134		163.3358	We had several expressions	165.1073
136		166.6148	we had an expression, hunching, I guess it was called.	168.9937
138		169.0999	[Hunches, or something] like	170.1893
139	DTA_int_04	169.1466	[How did you do that?]	169.9606
140	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	170.8933	Um.	171.5109
142		171.8563	If you push the marble	173.0797
143	DTA_int_04	173.4493	[Mm-hm}	173.6950
144	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	173.5579	[when] you shot it, we called that hunching I guess.	175.4672
145	DTA_int_04	175.6996	Uh-huh.	175.9188
146	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	175.9188	Which is just a [expression.] I- I don't know what it is now.	179.0080
147	DTA_int_04	176.7301	[Okay.]	177.0688
148		179.2737	Any more? Anything else you can say about that?	181.3059
149	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	181.9103	Uh. About marbles?	183.2613
150	DTA_int_04	183.2854	Yeah.	183.5976
151	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	185.0188	Gee. I- I- I can't uh, recall. No. Other than	188.2761
153		188.5484	we had the boulders, we had	190.0228
155		191.2237	let's see. Agates too was another name that we called 'em.	193.8470
156	DTA_int_04	194.0928	Mm-hm.	194.3319
157	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	194.4714	And then we had s-	195.2550
159		195.5539	<ts>	195.6934
161		196.6431	I just	197.0415
163		197.3953	k-	197.6809
165		198.0063	uh, all these terms are (laughing) in the back [of my mind], but they [can't /?/.]	201.2936
166	DTA_int_04	200.1404	[/??/]	200.6861
168		200.8694	[What about the] one that you used to shoot with? Would you ever call it anything?	203.9461
169	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	204.9270	What did we call that?	206.2460
171		208.5359	That wasn't the boulder.	209.6892
173		210.5055	The boulders were big ones.	211.8046
174	DTA_int_04	211.8311	Uh-huh.	212.0830
175	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	213.1898	Um.	213.7731
177		214.8468	I can't recall. There was a special name, but I can't recall.	217.2468
178	DTA_int_04	217.5332	Mm-hm.	217.8801
180		218.6917	Uh. Any other games that you played, like that?	220.3554
181	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	221.9711	Like marbles? Um.	223.3232
183		224.0058	<ts>	224.0721
185		224.2909	We had this game, Duck on the Rock,	226.1086
187		226.2458	which was with tin cans in the alley.	228.4132
188	DTA_int_04	228.7338	Uh-huh, how'd you [play that?]	229.6991
189	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	229.2284	You-	229.4272
190		229.7918	Uh. I'm tryna-	230.5209
192		230.8788	We put uh.	232.0321
194		233.3240	We'd	233.6024
196		233.8144	put a brick in the center of the alley	235.4383
198		235.9553	and um,	236.9826
200		238.0365	one kid, I guess who was it again	239.9396
202		240.3373	would put his can	241.3911
204		241.5303	on the, uh,	242.1960
206		243.2167	stone	243.8464
207	DTA_int_04	244.1844	Mm-hm.	244.4561
208	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	244.5158	brick.	244.9068
210		245.8215	Then- uh,	246.8488
212		250.3670	Oh.	250.6321
214		250.7779	Everyone	251.4009
216		253.6014	I'm tryna think of how it started.	255.2583
217	DTA_int_04	255.2185	Yeah.	255.4836
218	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	255.5433	It didn't start that way.	256.6377
219	DTA_int_04	256.7643	Mm-hm.	256.9994
220	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	257.2077	Um,	257.6982
222		257.9633	<ts>	258.0429
224		258.2749	oh, we had- we drew a line,	259.8017
226		260.0602	a chalk line or some kind of line and then we stood back, and everyone had to throw their cans towards this line	264.5187
227	DTA_int_04	264.5787	Mm-hm.	264.8660
228	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	265.2061	Now, the one who was, uh,	266.8365
230		267.3270	farthest away from the line, I think it was the one that was farthest way,	270.0327
232		270.3110	would be the one whose can had to go on the rock.	273.1142
233	DTA_int_04	273.3660	Mm-hm.	273.7372
234	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	273.9228	You understand?	274.4795
235	DTA_int_04	274.4795	Yeah.	274.7712
236	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	274.8573	Alright. The rest of 'em-	275.7985
238		276.3354	uh,	276.7733
240		278.9738	No.	279.3184
242		279.7426	No, it wasn't a line. It was a rock in the center of the, uh, alley,	282.6080
244		282.8201	and everyone had to throw their cans t- toward this, uh, rock.	285.9286
245	DTA_int_04	286.1010	Uh-huh.	286.3130
246	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	286.3130	Alright.	286.5914
247		286.9222	The can that was uh	288.2105
249		288.2967	I guess the farthest away from the rock	290.5834
251		290.9611	was the one that was it.	292.0660
253		292.7475	Then he had to come and put his can on the rock, then everyone stood over the can	296.1676
254	DTA_int_04	296.4643	Mm-hm.	296.7755
255	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	296.9586	Alright.	297.2332
257		297.5139	Now, you had to	298.5207
259		298.6672	lean over and pick up your can and throw it and knock this fellow's uh,	301.4367
261		301.5038	can off the rock without him, uh, seeing you pick up your can.	304.5304
262	DTA_int_04	305.1015	Any-	305.3455
263	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	305.3455	I.	305.5530
264	DTA_int_04	305.9680	Yeah.	306.1937
265	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	306.3402	[<ts> I-] and.	307.0114
266	DTA_int_04	306.3402	[/Go ahead/.]	306.6874
267	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	308.2013	If he s-	309.0373
269		309.6409	If he saw you, I- I-	311.9475
271		312.6128	I don't know whether he chased you,	314.0834
272	DTA_int_04	314.8476	Or he hit [you?]	315.4334
273	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	315.1405	[or not.] Or hit you.	316.4542
274		317.1011	Or- or- or, try to reach you, or what it was. But you tried to knock his can off of the uh, rock, and what the objective was, I've forgotten now.	324.1604
275	DTA_int_04	324.1193	Mm-hm.	324.3936
276	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	324.5815	But, we used to have a lot of fun [playing.]	325.9120
277	DTA_int_04	325.8396	[Yeah.] I can imagine, that was [a lot of fun.]	327.6765
278	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	327.0783	[Yeah.]	327.4627
279	DTA_int_04	327.9936	That would be sort of in an alley way, you could do that.	329.9829
280	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	330.0684	That's right, yeah.	330.8616
282		331.1484	Uh, you try and knock his can off, and if you uh,	334.0351
284		335.0237	if you knocked it off, then he'd have to run,	337.7265
286		337.9369	and get it and put it back in. In the mean time,	340.1906
288		340.6971	could put it back on,	341.8748
290		342.3691	before he could uh,	343.4269
292		344.2857	tag you.	344.8715
294		345.1827	He couldn't tag anyone with his can off the rock, that was a way- <laugh> that was part of it, yeah.	349.2105
296		349.6254	And I- I can't remember all the	351.1649
297	DTA_int_04	351.4005	[Pretty-]	351.6569
298	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	351.5067	[particulars], but we had a lot of fun.	353.3922
299		354.2352	Um.	354.7905
300	DTA_int_04	355.1322	[Yeah.]	355.4427
301	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	355.2420	<ts>	355.3152
302	DTA_int_04	356.2001	Any other games that you can remember [RD-NAME-2]?	358.3330
304		358.5832	/??/	359.0104
305	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	359.0296	Uh. What are some of the other games? We used to have so many of 'em.	362.8391
307		364.0659	Uh. Some of 'em, our parents didn't call- re- you know, they didn't care for. <laugh> [They didn't know about.]	368.8168
308	DTA_int_04	367.6133	[Yeah.]	367.8757
310		368.3883	[I'm sure.]	368.8168
311	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	368.9450	Yeah.	369.1586
313		369.9579	Uh.	370.4217
315		371.9648	No, uh.	373.2341
317		374.7047	We spent a lot of our time	375.9173
319		376.0272	uh, with a lot of little hobbies too, cause- well I guess you're asking only in games right now though.	380.2721
320	DTA_int_04	380.2721	Yeah.	380.5528
321	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	380.9739	You know.	381.2453
322	DTA_int_04	381.2426	Well, what were some of the hobbies your friends and you would do?	383.6102
323	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	384.3152	<ts> Mm.	384.7118
325		385.4318	Used to make a lot of model airplanes.	387.3249
327		387.4409	Used to fly and make 'em and fly 'em and break 'em. We went though a stage where we were just	391.3571
329		391.7584	model airplane crazy.	393.0197
330	DTA_int_04	393.2638	Mm-hm.	393.5201
331	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	393.5201	Or-	394.0144
332		394.6980	Um.	395.1984
334		395.7354	<ts>	395.8086
336		396.6385	Underground bunks.	398.0381
338		398.4068	We dug a hole in the ground one time [six (laughing)] feet deep and	402.1151
339	DTA_int_04	400.8031	[Really?]	400.9862
340	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	402.7192	I guess six feet wide and-	404.2765
342		404.6549	and then pu- it was in a field.	406.1499
344		406.3879	And put the	407.3764
346		407.8034	shored it all up	408.6455
348		408.9323	put the ground back, put all the grass and everything back	411.4623
350		411.8739	and uh, had a stove down there with a pipe	414.5222
352		414.6625	coming up out of the ground. (laughing) But then, uh.	416.7558
354		417.0060	This was uh, actually dangerous though, because it was one these old uh,	420.3044
356		420.8302	oil stoves that we put under there with the	422.6425
358		423.1727	pipe up	423.8195
360		423.9233	from the ground. That was the only thing coming up from under the ground.	426.4801
362		426.7364	Old lady across the street, uh, found out about it, and she ma- called the police and made us cover it up.	432.1012
364		432.7785	But uh, it was the underground bunk.	434.6840
366		435.2628	And then we read uh,	436.2484
368		436.9440	<ts>	437.0100
370		437.1210	about the Wright Brothers one time, we were gonna make this glider	440.3309
372		440.4000	and jump off the garage and fly it.	442.3379
374		443.2350	And we called ourselves the Wrong Brothers. [<laugh>]	446.7361
375	DTA_int_04	445.2672	[<laugh>]	446.5602
376	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	447.2365	And uh.	448.0115
378		448.9024	Uh.	449.6390
380		450.2554	We got in an argument as to who was gonna fly it, and I guess it was a good thing we did. And it never got off the ground. Although we drew a lot of plans. We were gonna cover it, and make it out of bamboo and cover it with canvas and	459.6337
382		460.0426	whatnot.	460.7199
383	DTA_int_04	460.9337	Yeah.	461.2266
384	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	461.6781	[Uh.]	462.0544
385	DTA_int_04	461.7453	[Um,]	462.0544
386		462.6179	what are your favorite TV programs /now/?	464.6217
387	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	465.7693	Well, I guess, uh,	466.7884
389		467.8196	Huntley Brinkley	468.8457
391		469.2342	would be uh, one of mine, uh.	471.3333
393		472.0778	Scope.	472.7307
395		472.9016	They're running that Vietnam series right now.	474.9809
396	DTA_int_04	474.9809	Mm-hm.	475.3776
397	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	475.2191	[Scope.]	475.9267
398		477.2326	Um.	477.8489
400		480.2512	Um. I'm not	481.2946
402		481.5640	s- too much for some of the uh,	483.3519
404		483.5411	more popular programs. [Uh.]	485.4574
405	DTA_int_04	485.1828	[You-you watch] mostly the news then.	487.4528
406	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	485.6881	[Yeah.]	485.9089
407		487.4589	Yeah, this is what I'm mostly interested in, Lou Gordon,	489.8031
409		490.7892	Channel Fifty sports.	492.0350
411		492.1448	On Channel Fifty, if weren't for Channel Fifty, I don't know what I'd do.	495.0372
412	DTA_int_04	495.2987	Mm-hm.	495.7503
413	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	495.8052	<laugh>	496.1591
414	DTA_int_04	496.9097	/???/	497.7518
415	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	498.1973	[Yeah.]	498.5146
416	DTA_int_04	498.1973	[Uh.]	498.5146
417		498.8929	What about that Vietnam program, what do you think about it? What have they been showing? I haven't seen it.	502.9815
418	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	503.7528	Oh, I think it's terrific.	504.7693
420		504.9218	I think they give uh, an insight	507.2589
422		508.4009	into the Vietnam problem that's uh,	510.5061
424		510.5916	pretty hard to get otherwise, I mean they're presenting pro and con.	513.4632
425	DTA_int_04	513.6158	Mm-hm.	514.0063
426	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	514.2870	And um,	515.1779
428		516.4297	um,	516.9179
430		518.0163	I think it's a tremendous series, only thing I think most	520.7755
432		520.9158	people with- i- uh.	522.0081
434		522.3519	uh, w- I think it comes at the same time that other probably more popular programs come on and uh,	527.2580
436		527.7218	people who ought to be seeing it don't see it, consequently when the issue comes up,	530.9111
438		531.1613	they react on an emotional basis rather than on a	533.4711
440		533.8921	rational basis.	534.8896
441	DTA_int_04	534.8896	Now what do you think about the Vietnam problem?	536.8850
442	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	538.9495	<ts> Oh, I think it's- uh,	540.1211
444		541.5917	it's um,	542.5193
446		543.5352	one of these things where uh,	544.9577
448		546.7212	persons who are familiar with the communistic doctrine	549.5771
450		550.0742	and it's tenets,	550.9895
452		551.6363	um,	552.1611
454		552.9882	aren't gonna be	553.8449
456		554.0441	beguiled by uh,	555.2396
458		555.4720	uh,	555.9037
460		556.4416	the fact that	557.1655
462		557.2751	they're saying that this is an internal revolution, it's not.	560.3640
464		561.0680	It's one- it's uh,	562.5915
466		563.3553	War Liberation, so called.	564.9890
468		565.5203	Um.	565.9454
470		567.3964	Fostered the theory that Mao Zedong has put forth.	571.1015
471	DTA_int_04	571.5398	Mm-hm.	571.8121
472	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	571.8675	Uh, he- e- Mao Zedong admits that he made a mistake in Korea in using the	576.4169
474		576.8685	traditional type of invasion to foster a-	579.3729
476		580.2462	a communist doctrine, so to speak.	582.0729
478		582.6892	And so, uh, he's developed this uh	585.0048
480		585.4014	theory of guerrilla warfare, which he says, uh, will	588.4363
482		588.5279	succeed in uh,	589.7483
484		590.4622	in	590.8040
486		591.0236	bringing about the tenets of communism	592.6207
488		592.8587	throughout the world.	593.6886
489	DTA_int_04	593.9205	Mm-hm.	594.2622
490	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	594.6039	And so, uh,	595.8613
492		596.7222	he's out to prove this in South Vietnam.	598.8397
494		599.0961	This is a critical thing, if it's successful there	601.4551
496		601.9433	then, um,	602.7731
498		603.1637	it can be successful	604.1644
500		604.2664	in many other parts of the world.	605.6444
501	DTA_int_04	605.7919	Mm-hm.	606.1275
502	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	606.3917	And uh,	607.0865
504		607.8126	well, to show that suc- uh, that the United States is on the right track as far as I'm concerned, now I can get arguments from	613.6587
506		613.9150	all kinds of quarter-	614.7859
508		615.1124	As soon as people	616.5517
510		616.9910	in other parts of the world found out,	618.9620
512		619.6353	that the United States	620.6117
514		620.9839	was gonna stick up	622.0046
516		622.2130	for a small country, and that it wasn't lip service and then it wasn't a paper tiger,	625.7885
518		625.9441	you saw what happened.	626.8181
520		627.2234	Uh, in Indonesia, you saw what happened.	629.2787
522		629.7918	Uh, Communist Party was thrown out completely. You've seen what's happened in Africa, in a number of countries of Africa.	634.7392
524		635.2611	You've seen uh,	636.1948
526		636.4022	<ts> uh,	637.0064
528		637.5556	uh, the Dominican Republic, the United States had to move in there	640.9728
530		641.3650	uh, at the time.	642.1278
531	DTA_int_04	642.4222	[Yeah.]	642.7201
532	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	642.5976	[Uh.]	643.0979
533		643.2566	Irres-	643.6563
535		643.9126	Regardless of uh, what, uh	645.8441
537		645.9784	persons would	646.4330
539		646.5153	say about well, it's none of our business, i- it is our business.	649.0210
541		649.2773	i- uh, if someone considered	650.7970
543		651.0594	the tenets	651.6399
545		651.9115	of communism	652.5522
547		652.9061	as they were written in the middle of the last century.	654.8053
549		655.1775	And as, uh,	655.8860
551		656.4840	many of these people	657.3390
553		658.7978	believe in and are dedicated to. Now, the question is, are we dedicated to the principles we believe in in our country.	663.9741
554	DTA_int_04	663.9741	Mm-hm.	664.3585
555	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	664.4134	Many others aren't, and uh.	665.7699
557		665.9559	So, it's kind of hard for us to	667.6195
558	DTA_int_04	668.1149	Mm-hm.	668.3407
560		669.0022	[Uh. Do you think] the Americans in general understand the principles, uh, [of the country] they're in-	673.8417
561	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	669.0266	this. Mm-hm?	669.5360
563		672.2704	<ts>	672.3284
565		672.5816	[No, I don't.]	673.1003
566	DTA_int_04	673.9271	involved in?	674.6594
567	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	675.0363	Oh, I'm sorry. I answered you [too soon]. Do I- you're saying, [do I think Americ-]	678.2100
568	DTA_int_04	676.1809	[Well.]	676.3152
570		677.4407	[Do you think the] Americans understand the principles of a- of the country?	680.6142
571		680.7179	Of our country.	681.4016
573		681.7921	[Or /whether/] /it needs to be taught/.	682.9647
574	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	681.8438	[No.]	682.3393
576		682.9647	No, I don't think so. I think they give lip service to it and, uh,	685.9615
577		686.3886	by and large, I don't think	688.1313
579		688.9538	they really understa- I-	690.2310
581		690.4079	Let's put it this way. The average American going over seas to a foreign country,	694.1182
583		694.5575	if he becomes involved in	696.2488
585		696.5447	an argument,	697.1244
587		697.3594	in which a communist knows what he's arguing about,	699.4509
589		699.5790	the average American does not know	700.8704
591		701.0535	what he's arguing about.	702.0939
592	DTA_int_04	702.2831	Mm-hm	702.5241
593	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	702.6126	And yet, it shouldn't be that way because	704.3994
595		704.7594	as	705.1408
597		705.9092	the principles	706.6750
599		706.8794	upon which our society is based are such	709.1626
601		709.4281	that he shouldn't-	710.1137
603		710.2326	ha- shouldn't have to be on the defensive	711.9755
605		712.3172	when arguing with a communist.	713.3276
607		713.5473	But,	713.7212
609		713.8493	unfortunately, too many of 'em, as I see, are not watching programs like Scope and some of these other thing	718.0927
611		718.3184	that would give them the in depth	719.7379
613		720.1497	understanding [of uh-] and reading,	721.8965
614	DTA_int_04	720.8571	[Sure.]	721.2904
615	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	722.3023	um, m-	722.9979
617		723.0871	more than just uh,	724.4325
619		724.8398	the fact that Americans are dropping bombs on	726.9308
621		727.2969	poor defenseless, uh, people, so to speak.	729.5702
622	DTA_int_04	729.5702	Mm-hm.	729.9025
623	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	730.0339	Uh. Uh.	731.2606
625		731.3460	They won't read the important story here, and so.	733.6450
626	DTA_int_04	734.3895	Mm.	734.6587
627	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	735.3608	Uh.	735.7177
628	DTA_int_04	735.8520	Um.	736.1625
630		736.8433	I-	737.0740
632		737.1606	Now, to think back when you were young again, what,	739.3404
634		739.4197	was there anything you could do to get a wish to come true?	742.3855
635	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	744.3113	Anything that I could do?	745.3175
637		745.8056	Um.	746.2517
639		746.6880	Yes.	747.3043
641		748.5217	Um. <laugh>	749.3791
643		750.1144	I wanted a model airplane, how did I get it? Well, I went around and tried collecting uh, pop bottles.	754.7496
645		754.8747	At that time, they were, uh,	756.0487
647		756.7382	there was deposits on these bottles.	758.3058
649		758.6723	I'd go around, I'd g-	759.6121
651		759.9630	find as many of 'em as I could, and uh, turn 'em in, and get the money and buy a model airplane. [And uh.]	764.9039
652	DTA_int_04	764.4798	[Mm-hm.]	764.7910
653		765.4439	Were there any, uh, rhymes or anything- any kind of superstitious things you could do in addition to your	770.9639
655		771.5697	practical.	772.2715
656	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	773.6078	Oh. Yes, but tha-	775.5372
658		777.2323	trying to remember things. We had all kinds of little [things.]	780.9733
659	DTA_int_04	780.5647	[Do anything] with a wishbone?	781.7178
660		782.5392	Chicken bone?	783.0054
661	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	783.1640	Yeah. Dry it out, and uh, break it, and the one- the end that had the uh	787.0945
663		787.4851	tip on it was the uh	788.7848
665		789.5775	was the lucky one.	790.5233
666	DTA_int_04	790.7552	Mm-hm.	791.1336
667	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	791.3837	You'd make a wish,	792.2197
669		792.5221	you'd have to wish silently. You couldn't tell anyone what you were wishing for.	795.4744
670	DTA_int_04	796.0903	Did you ever wish on anything else?	797.3770
671	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	799.3023	Wish on a star- Oh. Shooting star.	800.8817
673		801.1258	Yeah.	801.3393
675		802.0289	You see a shooting star,	803.1639
677		803.8044	uh, you'd make a wish and uh	805.6899
679		805.9653	had to be silent.	807.0198
681		807.1358	That.	807.5934
683		808.0694	Also, there were some insects, I think.	810.3333
685		812.0236	But which ones, I don't know, some kind of insect.	814.4576
686	DTA_int_04	814.6834	/inaudible/	815.4767
687	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	815.4767	Yeah.	815.9221
688	DTA_int_04	817.0717	What would you do when you lost a tooth?	818.7987
689	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	819.5919	Put it under the pillow.	820.4612
691		820.6299	[<laugh>]	821.8565
692	DTA_int_04	820.6299	[<laugh> Well, what would happen?	821.9236
693	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	823.4317	Well, the	824.1822
695		824.4935	Fairy Godmother would come and leave a little	826.7358
697		827.3704	coin there.	828.0661
698	DTA_int_04	828.3309	Uh-huh.	828.7727
700		829.0448	To be found, huh?	829.7856
701	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	829.9235	Uh-huh.	830.4178
702	DTA_int_04	830.7229	Could you tell me about your grade school? What	832.7664
704		832.9129	were some of the subjects you studied?	834.9698
705	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	836.3850	I think my grade school was unique compared to the ones today. I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	839.7698
707		839.9685	here in Detroit.	840.7522
709		841.1523	Which is over on the Boulevard-	842.6046
711		842.8243	West Grand Boulevard and um	844.2741
713		844.8118	Moore.	845.2328
714	DTA_int_04	845.5501	Mm-hm. I know it.	846.3283
715	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	846.5020	And, um,	847.2953
717		848.5704	<ts>	848.6864
719		849.3942	we- I studied the	850.6217
721		850.7254	usual, reading, writing, arithmetic, uh.	852.9777
723		853.5330	I think they were using f- phonetics at that time though.	856.5474
725		856.6595	See.	857.0440
727		857.9532	Um.	858.5451
729		859.2835	We had there, um,	860.7053
731		861.0287	a manual training shop, it was called, in which we learned to use all kinds of, uh,	865.1272
733		865.4872	tools, which later on became <laugh>	867.6293
735		867.9893	very w-	868.3525
737		868.6515	useful to me	869.3350
739		869.7281	right here in the house a lot	870.6130
741		870.7777	that I've done.	871.3635
743		872.3198	Um.	872.9056
745		873.6073	<ts>	873.6866
747		876.2684	Uh. I- I think our education was unique	879.3590
749		879.7557	at that time.	880.5510
751		880.8835	[As I-]	881.2131
752	DTA_int_04	880.8835	[From your] seat in your classroom, what were some of the things you could see in that room?	884.8375
753		889.9241	For example, what did you sit in? Or do you have a /??/ for that?	892.7391
754	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	894.1304	I generally was in the center I guess of the uh, class. We sat	897.3884
756		897.7362	in the alphabetical order, and my name being /RD-NAME-3/, is about the middle of the alphabet, so that pretty well put me in the	902.6100
758		903.2916	center. As far as seeing,	904.7989
760		905.7874	um,	906.3549
762		906.8492	about all we saw was the	908.1021
764		908.3095	teacher and the blackboard, and uh,	910.0487
766		911.3118	and there was flag.	912.6029
768		914.2382	Uh.	914.8424
770		918.1504	And.	918.5166
772		918.6569	All the little devilment that went on.	920.2923
773	DTA_int_04	920.4937	Mm-hm.	920.8720
774	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	921.3175	[In which I] was part of it. [<laugh>]	922.9327
775	DTA_int_04	921.3175	[Did you?]	921.8298
777		922.6581	[<laugh>]	923.4026
778		923.6284	Oh we'll get to that	924.4827
780		924.6169	one. [<laugh>]	925.3614
781	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	924.7756	[Uh.]	924.9891
782	DTA_int_04	925.8535	Uh. Did you sit at tables or what?	927.7513
783	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	927.9771	No, these were uh, regular student's uh, benches- chairs. Uh. I guess they call 'em desks.	931.9430
784	DTA_int_04	932.2934	Mm-hm.	932.6961
785	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	932.7752	That uh, let up	933.6051
787		934.1848	you know, the seat part let up.	935.4906
789		936.1374	Ink wells	936.9938
791		937.1159	and um	937.6651
793		937.8176	holding	938.2692
795		938.4706	compartment.	938.8733
796	DTA_int_04	939.1858	If you walked outside your classroom, where would you be?	941.5168
797	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	944.1345	If I walked outside my classroom, where would I be?	946.7096
798	DTA_int_04	946.7340	Mm-hm.	947.2221
799	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	947.5761	Well, we walked in line	949.2786
800	DTA_int_04	949.6058	Mm-hm.	950.0208
801	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	950.3231	and we went to class to class in line, so if I s- I'd be in the hall if tha- if you want a specific answer, yeah.	955.3874
802	DTA_int_04	955.9305	And what would you find in the hall?	957.3279
804		958.2628	Anything /inaudible/	959.2168
805	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	958.5553	<ts>	958.6102
806		959.3058	There were glass enclosures along the hall in which there were exhibits and	962.5169
808		962.6755	different things that I can remember. And lockers, all along the walls, everywhere.	966.1412
810		966.8307	[Lockers.]	967.3616
811	DTA_int_04	967.1210	[And what] about, any place to get water?	968.8078
812	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	969.3936	Yeah. Water fountains, uh, strategically located.	971.8220
813	DTA_int_04	972.2797	Mm-hm.	972.5177
814	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	972.5177	So that you could- but you couldn't- you had to have permission to get a drink of water	975.8129
815		976.2517	when moving from class to class. [Yeah.]	977.9237
816	DTA_int_04	977.7473	[Oh.] Even then?	978.6870
817	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	978.8451	Yeah.	979.1624
818	DTA_int_04	979.4614	What's outside the school?	980.6818
819	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	981.1334	What	981.3775
821		981.5666	[Was.]	981.8685
822	DTA_int_04	981.5666	[What] would be outside the school?	982.9661
823	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	984.2659	Um.	984.7078
825		986.0990	Well, your playground.	987.1041
827		988.1109	And your uh,	989.0812
829		989.2948	oh,	989.7646
831		990.1124	walkw- uh, well there's the uh,	992.0525
832	DTA_int_04	992.2600	[/?/]	992.6352
833	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	992.4919	[shrubbery and]	993.3183
834	DTA_int_04	993.1420	[Yeah.]	993.4492
835	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	993.4614	uh, [some.]	993.9495
836	DTA_int_04	993.7278	[Anything] in the playground?	994.6917
837	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	996.3148	At that time,	997.4263
839		999.5403	mm,	1000.3397
841		1001.4221	no.	1002.1361
843		1003.4537	Uh. I couldn't understand this, I don't think they had any swings	1006.4696
845		1007.2094	during the regular school year.	1009.0019
847		1009.1789	But they would put 'em there during the summer.	1011.1377
849		1011.8882	Uh. This is the reverse.	1013.1514
851		1013.9121	Uh.	1014.2417
853		1016.3665	I may be wrong. No. No. There were swings.	1018.5461
855		1018.8174	There were-	1019.2568
857		1020.6664	There were swings, and that was about all.	1022.1809
859		1022.2907	The large swings, but no, nothing else.	1024.2190
860	DTA_int_04	1024.2066	/??/	1024.7118
861	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1024.9208	And it was a small playground. They played ball there and I guess they were thinking in those terms too.	1029.2337
862	DTA_int_04	1029.2886	Yeah.	1029.5754
864		1030.1490	What did the kids do after school got out in the afternoon?	1032.7363
866		1034.1535	/?/	1034.5990
867	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1035.8133	Well,	1036.3503
869		1037.0154	went home of course, and had dinner. And we'd walk home, play all the way home.	1040.9861
871		1041.5658	So to speak.	1042.2981
873		1043.0608	But after we got home, uh, there was-	1045.5977
875		1046.2995	when I was older, it was the hobbies, as I say, model airplanes and boats and this and that, but uh,	1050.9206
877		1051.3233	prior to that time,	1052.7324
879		1053.6020	uh,	1054.1085
881		1055.6523	we would	1055.9940
883		1056.7993	get together and play in each other's backyards or out in the alley or	1060.0212
885		1060.3568	old broken down trucks and things,	1062.3498
887		1062.5938	cars, we'd	1063.2468
889		1063.7838	drive 'em, so to speak.	1065.0607
890	DTA_int_04	1065.3048	Okay.	1065.7076
892		1065.8784	Were- did you ever have a teacher who hollered at you?	1067.9599
894		1068.5184	Or hollered at anything?	1069.5185
895	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1069.8486	Oh yeah.	1070.2636
897		1071.1240	[Yeah.]	1071.4230
898	DTA_int_04	1071.2601	[So] tell me what they'd holler at.	1072.4281
899		1073.1881	/anything/	1073.7190
900	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1073.7190	I think primarily for	1074.8080
901		1074.9544	uh, talking	1075.8792
903		1076.1294	in class. Uh. She's trying to- I can appreciate it now as I look back.	1079.9813
905		1080.3047	She's trying to	1081.0309
907		1081.8831	get a train of thought going in the class, and then all of sudden here's this buzz or someone talking back then. If it's the same individual, you know, that she has had to discipline and,	1089.4631
909		1090.0489	maybe her-	1090.5708
911		1091.8766	her uh.	1092.5113
912	DTA_int_04	1092.8896	Did you ever get yelled at for anything you remember?	1094.9759
913	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1096.0531	Yes.	1096.6544
915		1097.2219	There was this teacher, Ms. /RD-NAME-2/	1098.6620
917		1100.1204	who yelled at me because uh,	1101.6823
919		1104.1354	<laugh>	1104.4283
921		1105.1878	used to make these airplane noises myself [in class. (laughing)]	1108.3726
922	DTA_int_04	1107.4939	[<laugh>]	1108.6838
923	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1109.1231	[<laugh>]	1110.0263
924	DTA_int_04	1109.3062	[<laugh>]	1110.0263
925	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1110.4087	As a matter of fact, uh,	1111.6468
927		1112.1106	I had a friend tell me	1113.4775
929		1113.7338	after I had left there	1115.2080
931		1115.7389	um,	1116.2515
933		1116.9105	she had commented one time that uh, oh.	1118.9975
935		1119.2601	His, uh,	1119.8945
937		1120.1936	fellow the name if Rockefeller. No. Not Rocky.	1122.1353
939		1122.5381	It was the	1123.0446
941		1123.2215	someone else.	1123.8195
943		1124.2528	Who had said there must be	1125.6558
945		1126.0908	must be /RD-NAME-4/'s spirit	1127.6662
947		1127.8492	<laugh> I see here, that left here some- but, uh, this was told to me.	1131.0171
948	DTA_int_04	1131.2307	[Mm-hm.]	1131.6212
949	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1131.4137	[afterward.]	1131.9382
950		1132.4206	But I did have this habit. As I say, we were so crazy about these airplanes that all we could think was uh,	1137.5598
952		1138.0540	how they sound, and then it was- just completely dominated our lives at that time.	1142.0956
953	DTA_int_04	1143.3427	[Did you] ever have a teacher	1144.7678
954	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1143.4892	[Yeah]	1143.7455
955	DTA_int_04	1144.9752	who you thought was really good?	1146.2140
957		1146.5181	Uh,	1146.7368
959		1146.9754	about your best teacher?	1148.0128
960	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1148.5559	Ms. /RD-NAME-2/.	1149.2698
961	DTA_int_04	1149.8076	What was it about her?	1150.7966
962	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1152.6700	I- she was	1154.0188
964		1154.1652	a pleasant teacher. She was kind of strict, but she was just pleasant.	1157.5346
966		1157.8031	Uh.	1158.2790
968		1158.8182	I always did like Ms. /RD-NAME-2/. That's all I can remember. She uh,	1162.0321
970		1162.3495	seemed to	1162.9170
972		1163.2343	take pains with the kids and	1164.8330
974		1165.5049	take this little extra	1166.6948
976		1167.5448	uh, time to explain	1169.0236
978		1169.4812	what uh, she was trying-	1170.7541
980		1170.9677	wanted you to learn.	1171.9180
981	DTA_int_04	1172.3116	Mm-hm	1172.6167
982	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1173.8462	And uh.	1174.3161
983	DTA_int_04	1175.0587	Mm.	1175.4395
985		1175.9112	Did you ever play tricks	1177.1560
987		1177.5649	on your teacher?	1178.2411
988	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1181.0332	No.	1182.1115
990		1183.4356	I can't recall. On another student, but not on a teacher.	1186.0402
991	DTA_int_04	1186.5284	What kind of devilment went on	1188.2888
993		1188.5727	in class?	1189.0518
994	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1189.0518	Oh Lord.	1190.1654
995		1191.5628	You mean me specifically? [Or the kids in general?]	1193.6820
996	DTA_int_04	1192.6019	[Yeah. You or anybody] around in the classroom.	1194.7987
997	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1195.3432	Yeah. We used to play all kinds of games, uh, on paper, and pass it around, you had to mark here and so and so (laughing) and mark there.	1202.3635
999		1202.7845	This was the idea, I guess, was just to keep from getting caught as you passed this around.	1206.9524
1001		1207.8433	Uh. Books.	1208.7220
1003		1209.2956	Uh.	1209.7533
1005		1211.7782	A, one time put a girl's hair in the ink well.	1213.9041
1006	DTA_int_04	1214.2214	Mm-hm	1214.5448
1007	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1215.3564	Another time, a girl with long hair, I tied it on	1217.9015
1009		1218.2676	this- on the side of the uh, desk where this um,	1220.6648
1011		1221.1529	where all these were wrought iron desks with kind of filigree	1223.5572
1013		1224.1277	and we'd take the- uh, I took her hair and tied it. It was long,	1227.5697
1015		1227.6979	they wore their hair long then,	1228.6508
1017		1229.1329	tie it- the- tie it there, and then she would go until she got ready to move, this was a horrible thing to do, but uh,	1234.1360
1019		1234.6974	I did it.	1235.2100
1020	DTA_int_04	1235.2499	You got /unintelligible/	1236.2197
1022		1236.9951	Do you ever remember the smartest kid in your class?	1239.5525
1023	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1241.7320	Who was the smarte- Daniel Boone.	1243.8237
1024	DTA_int_04	1244.7966	I-	1244.9907
1025	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1245.0334	No. Daniel Boone. Is that his name?	1246.5440
1027		1246.8120	No, not Daniel Boone.	1248.0996
1029		1250.0068	Daniel Boone was the uh. (laughing) No. [I'm thinking of uh.]	1253.6568
1030	DTA_int_04	1252.3594	[<laugh> That's /?/.]	1253.8666
1031	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1253.9924	No. Daniel- What was his name?	1255.8841
1033		1256.6200	<ts>	1256.6954
1035		1257.3629	He was smart.	1258.0707
1037		1258.2599	I can't think of his f- last name.	1260.1276
1039		1260.6275	But it must have sounded like Boone though.	1262.1466
1040	DTA_int_04	1263.0314	Well,	1263.3609
1042		1263.4951	did he ever get any special favors or rewards or anything like that?	1266.8623
1043	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1268.3648	I think so, he seemed to uh, teacher k-	1271.0255
1045		1271.3916	ki- well, he was smart in all of his classes and he was pretty well known. The teachers	1275.0500
1047		1275.7761	kind of liked him.	1276.9327
1049		1278.0150	And uh, there were a number of girls too. I can't remember their names.	1280.7894
1051		1280.9175	Dan was, uh,	1281.8633
1053		1282.6717	quite [a smart boy.]	1283.5016
1054	DTA_int_04	1282.9585	[What about] the dumbest kid? Do you remember any one particular?	1286.2657
1055		1287.1994	Let's just [say. (laughing)]	1288.0842
1056	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1287.6815	[I think the] rest of the class. (laughing)	1289.2892
1057		1289.6814	Uh. <laugh>]	1290.5251
1059		1291.2024	Um. (laughing)	1291.9324
1061		1295.5353	There were, but I can't remember.	1297.0947
1063		1297.5768	[/R- anyone/.]	1298.1199
1064	DTA_int_04	1297.6378	[Do you remember] what the teacher used to do with 'em?	1299.2001
1065	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1301.1321	Into the corner.	1301.9497
1067		1303.6730	Yeah.	1304.0757
1068	DTA_int_04	1304.3625	That's all, huh?	1305.4121
1069	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1305.9124	Well, it, uh,	1307.1285
1071		1307.5435	along with the s- so called dumbness, I guess went	1310.7500
1073		1310.9291	the boredom that went along with it because he couldn't keep up and couldn't catch on and uh.	1314.9483
1075		1315.4914	And so it was a nuisance, and so into the corner he went. And sat toward the corner, facing the corner.	1320.0108
1076	DTA_int_04	1320.1797	Mm-hm.	1320.5222
1077	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1321.1987	Um.	1321.6625
1079		1322.2849	That's about all.	1323.2616
1080	DTA_int_04	1323.2647	Mm-hm.	1323.5172
1082		1323.8827	What time did you start school?	1325.1153
1083	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1327.9613	I think school started at um,	1330.0799
1085		1332.0082	eight o'clock. Eight- eight thirty maybe.	1333.9243
1086	DTA_int_04	1334.4268	Mm-hm.	1334.7564
1088		1335.9036	And what time did you get out in the afternoon?	1337.7775
1089	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1337.7652	Think we got out at three thirty.	1338.9735
1090	DTA_int_04	1339.1702	Mm-hm. Good.	1339.8719
1091	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1340.3113	Yeah. But we came home for lunch.	1341.6661
1093		1342.2825	At noontime, see.	1343.2893
1094	DTA_int_04	1343.3870	What time would that be?	1344.2501
1095	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1345.9892	Guess we left school at	1347.1242
1097		1347.8748	twelve and-	1348.6945
1099		1348.9996	or t-	1349.3414
1101		1349.6465	twel- eleven-thirty maybe.	1350.8008
1103		1350.9045	Went ba- was back at twelve fi-	1352.4654
1105		1352.5752	twelve-thirty. Eleven-thirty to twelve-thirty. I think that was it.	1354.9884
1106	DTA_int_04	1355.9419	If you ever got out at uh, eleven	1357.8892
1108		1358.2370	forty-five,	1359.0935
1110		1359.3544	is there any other way that you could say that?	1360.9105
1111	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1362.4238	Eleven forty-five?	1363.4551
1113		1364.6032	Yeah, that's uh.	1365.7993
1115		1366.1044	Uh.	1366.5803
1117		1366.7146	Say fifteen minutes to twelve.	1368.1289
1118	DTA_int_04	1370.3872	Uh. Where you were young, when i- were there a bunch of guys that you hung around with, were your	1374.6338
1120		1374.9450	buddies or your pals?	1375.9981
1121	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1376.1105	Yeah.	1376.4868
1123		1377.4387	They lived on the adjacent streets. Uh,	1380.0168
1125		1380.4240	I lived on /RD-ADDRESS-/.	1381.4437
1127		1382.3041	They lived on Twenty-eighth, which is the next block over and-	1384.8680
1129		1385.0389	and Stanford.	1385.8358
1131		1385.9602	Which is a	1386.3875
1133		1386.6621	block over from that.	1387.4859
1134	DTA_int_04	1387.8459	Were they about the same age as you? [Or were] they older?	1390.4764
1135	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1389.4940	[Yes.]	1389.8662
1136		1390.8792	They were about my age.	1391.6908
1138		1392.2483	Mm-hm.	1392.5168
1139	DTA_int_04	1393.0904	And um,	1393.7824
1141		1394.5635	do you still associate with any of those people?	1397.0251
1142	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1397.5743	No. I, uh,	1399.0327
1144		1399.1606	see one frequently. E- Uh. Not frequently. We	1402.0530
1146		1402.2666	visit	1402.8199
1148		1402.9846	infrequently. Now, by that	1404.4584
1150		1405.4836	every	1405.8619
1152		1406.3745	four or five months, he'll come by here	1408.7314
1154		1408.8473	and	1409.1097
1156		1409.2116	I'll go by,	1409.9044
1158		1409.9837	visit him. This is /RD-NAME-5/	1411.7989
1159	DTA_int_04	1412.0357	Mm-hm.	1412.3469
1161		1413.8236	Um. Did any of these close friends in your group ever speak a- another language?	1418.1424
1162	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1418.4353	No.	1418.7588
1163	DTA_int_04	1418.9379	Did their parents speak any	1420.4576
1164	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1420.6345	No.	1420.9396
1165	DTA_int_04	1420.9946	other language?	1421.5254
1167		1422.1633	Were they only Negro children or were they	1424.2663
1168	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1424.3700	[These were ] all Negroes, yes.	1425.4800
1169	DTA_int_04	1424.3700	[white?]	1424.7502
1170		1425.6265	You only	1426.0477
1171	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1426.4015	[Mm-hm.]	1426.7371
1172	DTA_int_04	1426.4015	[Was the] area predominantly Negro [when you lived there?]	1429.0186
1173	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1428.5299	[Yes.] Mm-hm.	1429.3341
1174		1429.8284	The school, I might say at the time, /RD-SCHOOL-2/, was, uh, mixed. Quite mixed. A matter of fact, I think it was more white than Negro there at the time.	1435.2826
1176		1436.0148	Cause this was back in the mid-thirties.	1437.4813
1177	DTA_int_04	1437.6216	Yeah.	1437.8291
1179		1437.9573	Mm-hm.	1438.2257
1180	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1438.4149	See.	1438.6773
1182		1439.2753	But uh,	1440.0564
1184		1440.9509	the area I lived in was a Negro neighborhood,	1443.2102
1186		1443.4542	and it was kind of surrounded by	1444.9415
1188		1445.2832	white community there.	1446.0948
1189	DTA_int_04	1446.3511	Mm-hm.	1446.7660
1191		1447.1020	So, then you mainly kept within-	1448.8053
1193		1448.9335	in your friend [group,]	1450.0167
1194	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1449.7573	[That's right. Yeah.]	1450.5872
1195	DTA_int_04	1450.3258	[place /associate/.]	1451.1729
1196	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1451.2462	That's right, yeah.	1451.9418
1197	DTA_int_04	1452.8032	Alright.	1453.0900
1199		1453.5782	Uh. Was there any one person in that bunch of guys that	1456.1855
1201		1456.6323	seemed to be the leader?	1457.5965
1203		1458.0297	Or everyone seemed to sort of agree with him or follow him if he had suggestions?	1462.1785
1204	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1466.0009	I guess, of all of us, I guess I tended to be more	1469.1130
1206		1469.9766	leader	1470.5775
1208		1470.8399	because uh, usually, is was at my instigation that we uh,	1473.5842
1210		1474.5266	were in these games, we were building this or doing this or that.	1477.4557
1212		1479.0615	I think of it.	1479.6107
1214		1479.8365	Hm.	1479.9890
1215	DTA_int_04	1480.3613	Can you think of any reasons why this might have been?	1482.5889
1217		1483.8636	I mean, did you have access to more things or	1486.1659
1219		1486.8958	/where you lived ?/?	1488.0164
1221		1489.0627	Your idea wo-	1489.7426
1222	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1490.7800	I think it's more just my ideas. Um.	1493.0573
1224		1493.6786	Um.	1494.2949
1226		1494.6915	There's no reason.	1495.6007
1228		1496.1153	As far as I was concerned, it uh,	1497.7201
1230		1498.8551	just happened that way.	1499.9840
1231	DTA_int_04	1500.9331	Mm-hm. Were they more around your house then or?	1503.2397
1232	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1503.3007	Yeah.	1503.5875
1234		1504.0452	Yeah, they tended to, uh,	1505.1846
1236		1505.6606	come over to my house.	1506.7158
1238		1507.5640	And, as I look back, I think my mother was as much responsible for this as uh,	1512.0186
1240		1513.2060	I wa- I mean, they were welcome to come around, play in the backyard and	1516.4045
1242		1517.0574	whatnot.	1517.3869
1243	DTA_int_04	1518.2777	And this was the- a way in which you fostered the group then anyway.	1521.1647
1245		1521.5308	They came with you.	1522.2752
1246	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1524.4964	Yes. Uh.	1525.4727
1248		1525.8144	I- well, I'm the first one to introduce 'em- I guess maybe I read more than they did.	1529.6026
1249	DTA_int_04	1529.7828	Uh-huh.	1530.0279
1250	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1529.9626	And that, um,	1530.7193
1251		1530.9878	I'd go to library	1532.1411
1253		1532.4767	and uh, I'd read about	1533.8497
1255		1534.5087	these different, uh, things that we could make or do.	1536.7916
1257		1536.9807	And I'd come back and I'd wanna do 'em, and uh,	1539.0992
1259		1539.2395	and then they'd become interested, as- as a result,	1541.6872
1261		1542.0350	and so we did 'em.	1542.6757
1262	DTA_int_04	1543.0602	Mm-hm.	1543.2554
1263	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1543.7809	Making.	1544.2113
1264	DTA_int_04	1544.2440	Um.	1544.5369
1266		1545.4507	How would a new friend join your group?	1547.2569
1267	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1549.2646	Eh.	1549.5269
1269		1550.1311	If he moved into the neighborhood, uh, usually, you know how kids are at first. You look at each other, not saying too much.	1554.9573
1271		1555.6469	But after that, um,	1556.8185
1273		1557.5604	they'd come right in, practically.	1559.0798
1275		1559.7386	Just be, uh, he'd probably meet one of the	1562.4479
1277		1563.1346	kids and uh	1563.9674
1279		1564.5536	and then the kid would bring him around and introduce him to all of us.	1566.8419
1280	DTA_int_04	1567.6718	When you were young,	1568.6298
1282		1568.9227	what did you	1569.6920
1284		1569.9239	hope to be, or what was your age? What did you wanna [do?]	1572.6877
1285	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1572.5661	[I] wanted to be an aeronautical engineer.	1574.0367
1286		1574.7507	When I was real young.	1575.6052
1288		1575.7577	This is what I wanted to be.	1576.8050
1290		1576.9294	The uh,	1577.5090
1292		1577.9423	yeah.	1578.2047
1294		1579.4072	And. [Uh.]	1579.9015
1295	DTA_int_04	1579.6879	[Yeah.] And uh,	1580.6154
1296		1581.2744	how is it that you happened to get into dentistry?	1583.5370
1297	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1584.6049	Well, I went into uh. I wanted to be aeronautical engineer as I said, and I went to, uh,	1588.8356
1299		1589.5190	Technical school here in Detroit, at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1591.9146
1300	DTA_int_04	1592.3601	Mm-hm.	1592.6591
1301	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1592.8665	And took the aeromechanical.	1594.5019
1303		1594.7155	/Aerolatal/ program, they call it.	1596.3357
1304	DTA_int_04	1596.4639	Mm-hm.	1596.6775
1305	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1598.0382	Um.	1598.5203
1307		1599.6828	<ts>	1599.7560
1309		1600.4089	I	1600.8239
1311		1601.1839	was drafted	1602.0626
1313		1602.3494	into the army. And I have a weak right eye,	1603.9336
1315		1604.0731	and I couldn't get into the Air Force.	1605.6809
1317		1606.9324	So, uh, with all this R-O-T-C training I had, I was put into a-	1610.5253
1319		1611.2027	the army	1611.8495
1321		1612.3984	and uh, he used to train me into a	1614.3023
1323		1614.9430	fight.	1615.3519
1325		1616.8210	And um,	1617.5227
1327		1618.5052	but they had me on limited service because of this weak eye.	1620.7014
1329		1621.2140	Well, a- as for this- was during World War Two.	1623.5389
1330	DTA_int_04	1623.9512	Mm-hm.	1624.1770
1331	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1624.6103	Well,	1624.9703
1333		1625.5317	at the time that, um,	1626.8559
1335		1627.3623	I was ready for discharge, they had me in a separation center,	1630.1037
1336	DTA_int_04	1630.5858	Mm-hm.	1630.9458
1337	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1631.3729	and, um,	1632.0808
1339		1633.4538	I- um,	1634.0484
1341		1634.7807	they didn't know what to do with me at the time. So, uh,	1637.0141
1343		1637.5938	they	1637.8463
1345		1637.9570	put me over in the dental clinic.	1639.2486
1346	DTA_int_04	1639.3646	Oh.	1639.6392
1347	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1639.8771	Yeah.	1640.1639
1348	DTA_int_04	1640.4141	Mm-hm.	1640.7498
1349	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1640.8047	They help around over there, so.	1642.3241
1351		1642.8672	I got interested in dentistry.	1644.1622
1352	DTA_int_04	1644.2598	Mm-hm.	1644.5039
1353	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1644.7358	I really liked it.	1645.4558
1355		1646.0538	So, I got out of the army and went into dentistry. <laugh>	1648.6204
1357		1648.8950	So.	1649.1025
1358	DTA_int_04	1649.6212	I see.	1650.0390
1360		1650.8981	Um. If you could do it all over again, what do you think you would do?	1653.4980
1361	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1655.5721	I'd go into dentistry.	1656.6295
1363		1656.9773	I love it.	1657.4533
1365		1658.0025	Yeah.	1658.3259
1367		1659.1288	[Yeah.]	1659.4522
1368	DTA_int_04	1659.2569	[/inaudible/]	1660.0448
1369	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1660.5994	Yeah.	1660.8740
1370	DTA_int_04	1660.8740	If uh, somebody came by and they said, uh, here's	1663.3032
1372		1663.7760	all this money,	1664.4809
1374		1665.2222	as much as you want,	1666.0340
1376		1666.1955	what would you do with it?	1666.9460
1377	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1668.6036	<ts>	1668.7195
1379		1670.3671	Well, I think I'd break it down, first of all. Uh.	1673.1441
1381		1673.6567	I'd donate a large part of it to the, uh, civil rights movement.	1676.4059
1382	DTA_int_04	1677.0197	Mm-hm.	1677.3187
1383	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1678.1608	Yeah, I'd probably- I'd donate to the-	1679.9731
1385		1680.2050	myself and family. That is a trip to Japan, which I intend to do anyway. Japan and-	1684.3270
1387		1684.8152	and then I'd like to go to South America and Brazil and I'd like to go to Africa.	1688.2027
1389		1688.6238	And- uh,	1689.3377
1391		1689.4903	and also Europe.	1690.4422
1393		1690.6253	I've studied French and whatnot and I'd like to	1692.5463
1395		1692.8150	in spite of the anti-American (laughing) attitudes, et cetera. I'd like to, uh,	1696.1465
1397		1696.8605	go to France.	1697.7225
1399		1698.7660	Um. I like traveling. Love it. I have a trailer.	1700.8259
1401		1701.5444	And	1701.8739
1403		1702.1424	we don't stay home	1703.0334
1405		1703.1615	long at all. We're gone. <laugh>	1704.9433
1406	DTA_int_04	1704.8030	[/?/] Have you ever traveled out of the states.	1706.7878
1407	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1707.7538	No, other than	1708.4678
1409		1708.9437	Canada.	1709.4685
1411		1710.0224	But, yeah. But not abroad.	1711.3700
1413		1711.9802	/Any other sense of the word/.	1712.9215
1414	DTA_int_04	1713.6660	Um,	1714.0016
1416		1715.3319	can you tell me just	1716.1922
1418		1716.7386	maybe like a day's or what you do during	1718.8466
1420		1719.0114	one day's work?	1719.7375
1421	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1721.8977	Well,	1722.3188
1423		1722.7093	I'm part time	1723.7816
1425		1724.2423	I'm a part time dentist, uh, at /RD-WORK-7/, in charge of dentistry there.	1728.1111
1427		1728.6603	And I have my own private practice.	1730.3445
1429		1731.3277	Um,	1731.7915
1431		1732.8716	two,	1733.4086
1433		1733.5977	three days a week	1734.5070
1435		1735.1167	I'll go over there in the mornings,	1736.8099
1437		1737.2161	/RD-WORK-4/ and then I'll leave there and go over to my office	1739.5532
1439		1740.5967	and take care of patients.	1741.8150
1441		1742.5860	And, um,	1743.2084
1443		1743.5929	general dentistry is what I do.	1745.0571
1445		1745.8809	Uh,	1746.3935
1447		1746.9000	three evenings a week,	1748.0598
1449		1748.1940	I'm in the office.	1749.0605
1451		1750.8607	And on Saturdays, I'm in the office.	1752.5950
1453		1753.6567	So, uh,	1754.5782
1455		1755.1029	when I get these little free day- fact, when I can put a few days together, then	1758.9702
1457		1759.1212	we take off.	1759.9820
1459		1760.8881	Yeah.	1761.1993
1460	DTA_int_04	1761.2481	It's sort of regular, I [guess.]	1762.8023
1461	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1762.6254	[Yeah.]	1763.0098
1462		1763.3698	I try as much as possible, [yeah.]	1764.7123
1463	DTA_int_04	1764.5475	[What] do they call this area of town here?	1766.4453
1464	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1767.8820	This is the Martin Park Area.	1769.4686
1466		1769.8983	In- in as far as the neighborhood.	1771.6274
1468		1772.1217	Uh.	1772.4207
1470		1773.2328	<ts>	1773.2856
1472		1773.8364	University area in terms of the city,	1775.9005
1474		1776.1629	because it's located near the, uh, U of D. /The/	1778.5215
1476		1778.7717	post office would call their	1779.9372
1478		1780.4437	the post office University Branch, uh. The Bank of Commonwealth calls their bank the University Branch.	1785.3640
1479	DTA_int_04	1785.6508	What would then be the bro- boundaries of this area then?	1788.2626
1480	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1790.3800	<ts> I don't know what the University area, but the Martin Park Area would en- encompass- uh,	1794.8780
1482		1795.8849	Martin Park Association encompasses, uh,	1798.1487
1484		1798.9068	Six Mile	1799.7672
1486		1800.1103	on the west	1800.9463
1488		1801.7944	to- um,	1802.8073
1490		1803.4174	I'm sorry.	1804.0520
1492		1804.3999	Uh, Livernois on the west.	1805.6335
1494		1805.9630	Six Mile on the north.	1807.2505
1496		1807.6710	On back through, um,	1808.7633
1498		1810.3142	<ts> uh, Log Cabin	1811.4553
1500		1812.2912	on the uh, east.	1813.6947
1502		1814.0537	And down to Puritan	1815.2436
1504		1815.4389	on the South.	1816.3137
1505	DTA_int_04	1817.6500	And what do you call the whole area?	1819.0362
1507		1819.3596	This whole city, urban area?	1820.6898
1508	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1823.9294	I don't know. Um.	1825.1437
1510		1825.3085	F- my subdivision is Ford Park if you're speaking of [uh. Yeah.]	1828.4676
1511	DTA_int_04	1828.0222	[But I mean] the entire city.	1829.1999
1512	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1830.3241	Oh. The entire city?	1831.2333
1513	DTA_int_04	1831.2415	Yeah.	1831.4734
1514	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1831.7968	If you were speaking of it in terms of what now?	1833.5115
1515	DTA_int_04	1833.5603	What would you call it? The name of it?	1834.9763
1516	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1836.5736	[Detroit?]	1837.0679
1517	DTA_int_04	1836.5736	[/?/]	1836.8594
1518		1837.5500	Yeah. Pardon?	1838.2883
1519	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1838.5141	Detroit.	1839.0238
1521		1839.4538	[Oh I see. You wanna ge- see how I pronounce it, yeah. Oh I've- I've got you. Okay.	1842.8681
1522	DTA_int_04	1839.4538	[/inaudible/]	1843.1732
1523	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1843.4539	Yeah. Detroit. [As it is.]	1844.5803
1524	DTA_int_04	1844.2203	[Uh. What are] some of the main streets? You mentioned Livernois, but say the other names for [/inaudible/.]	1848.2757
1525	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1848.1286	[Well,] it would be Woodward.	1849.1300
1526		1849.8195	Gratiot.	1850.3773
1528		1851.2316	Um.	1851.8479
1529	DTA_int_04	1852.5213	What about [down-]	1853.0827
1530	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1852.7837	[Grand] River. Hm?	1853.6929
1531	DTA_int_04	1854.3153	What about down by Cobo Hall?	1855.6856
1532	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1856.9920	Um.	1857.5229
1534		1857.8341	Well, there's Jefferson.	1858.8554
1536		1859.8078	Then there's Larend.	1860.9813
1538		1861.4028	Then there's, uh,	1862.4275
1540		1863.2726	Lafayette.	1863.8279
1541	DTA_int_04	1864.4909	One begins with uh, an F.	1866.0592
1543		1867.0834	Over by Cobo Hall.	1868.0842
1544	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1868.8957	Fort.	1869.3351
1546		1870.2421	Fort Street. Yeah.	1871.0781
1547	DTA_int_04	1871.7127	What about the expressways? The Freeway?	1873.5189
1548	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1874.9398	What do I call them?	1875.8673
1549	DTA_int_04	1875.9168	Yeah.	1876.1670
1550	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1876.3428	You mean name them?	1877.1056
1552		1877.9380	Uh. Well there's a John C. Lodge.	1879.7144
1554		1880.3002	And there's a,	1880.8311
1556		1881.1323	uh,	1881.5046
1558		1881.9073	Chrysler	1882.4506
1560		1882.6703	Freeway. Walter P Chrysler, I guess.	1884.4399
1562		1885.1135	There's the, um,	1886.0960
1564		1887.2127	Ford.	1887.7595
1566		1887.8726	Edsel Ford	1888.6218
1568		1889.3098	Freeway.	1889.7736
1569	DTA_int_04	1890.5925	Okay.	1890.8610
1570	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1890.8610	And Davidson. [<laugh>]	1891.9566
1571	DTA_int_04	1891.6604	[<laugh>] Thank you.	1892.5350
1572		1892.9574	Uh. Where were you born?	1893.8727
1573	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1894.2205	Detroit. Here.	1894.9184
1575		1895.0907	Mm-hm.	1895.3409
1576	DTA_int_04	1895.3409	And have you lived outside of Detroit?	1897.1215
1577	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1898.0307	Only during- well, I was in the army and while I was in school.	1900.7703
1578	DTA_int_04	1901.4346	And then during the army service, where were you?	1903.3581
1579	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1904.2063	I was at, uh,	1905.3169
1581		1906.0997	Camp Lee, Virginia,	1907.2714
1583		1907.9711	Camp Plauche, Louisiana.	1909.6093
1585		1910.7931	Um.	1911.4339
1587		1912.7620	Camp Elis, Illinois.	1913.9214
1589		1914.3974	Camp Atterbury, Indiana.	1915.6511
1591		1916.2613	And	1916.6811
1593		1916.8215	one other,	1917.3902
1595		1917.5061	was the-	1917.9943
1597		1918.1834	i- was the induction center, uh.	1919.8705
1599		1920.5967	Um.	1921.1153
1601		1921.5181	Fort Sheridan, Illinois.	1922.7238
1602	DTA_int_04	1924.4080	Uh. Where have you gone on trips?	1925.8402
1604		1926.3885	Some of the places.	1927.2406
1605	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1928.6216	I've gone to Los Angeles.	1929.8420
1607		1931.4887	Um.	1931.9869
1609		1932.2676	This past year,	1933.2928
1611		1934.1105	we uh, traveled east,	1935.3616
1613		1936.1732	uh, to New York.	1937.1129
1615		1937.6065	Cape Cod.	1938.2655
1617		1939.0231	And on up through uh, Maine.	1940.2731
1619		1940.7125	And on up	1941.2128
1621		1941.5363	into Canada, and down through the St. Lawrence River.	1943.8400
1623		1944.2976	Right along the, um,	1945.3167
1625		1945.5515	<ts>	1945.6247
1627		1945.8653	St. Lawrence River, and	1946.7597
1629		1947.3786	on back home.	1947.9461
1630	DTA_int_04	1948.2792	Good.	1948.5110
1632		1948.7246	Good.	1948.9321
1633	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1949.0699	[Yeah.]	1949.3018
1634	DTA_int_04	1949.0699	[You were up] through my area then.	1950.2842
1635	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1950.5649	Oh yeah?	1950.9860
1637		1951.6546	Huh.	1951.9658
1639		1952.3378	[So beautiful.]	1953.1433
1640	DTA_int_04	1952.4171	[How do you usually] celebrate the holidays?	1954.2844
1641	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1955.7672	In the past, uh,	1956.9284
1643		1958.3512	yeah,	1958.5952
1645		1959.0529	we got a flag we hang out and uh. <laugh>	1961.4992
1647		1961.9324	In- uh, in the past,	1963.3542
1649		1963.8302	it's been- w- we've stayed at home	1965.4991
1651		1965.8582	on the holidays because of well,	1968.1221
1653		1969.2198	the highway traffic, um	1970.9103
1655		1971.4629	problem.	1971.9205
1657		1972.9640	But since I got this trailer we're gone on holidays. We usually leave before the rush. Being a dentist, I can do this.	1978.4039
1658	DTA_int_04	1978.4283	[Mm-hm.]	1978.7762
1659	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1978.6297	[Su-] Arrange it.	1979.6915
1660		1980.1003	Uh. We leave before the rush	1981.4451
1662		1981.6159	and come back after.	1982.6167
1664		1983.0438	Uh, this, uh, Fourth of July, coming up, I plan of taking off Thursday.	1986.8571
1665	DTA_int_04	1987.2394	[Mm-hm.]	1987.5018
1666	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1987.4307	[And] we'll be gone, and I'll come back Tuesday. So, it's uh. We got it all to ourselves.	1991.2576
1667	DTA_int_04	1991.3402	Uh. What about Christmas?	1992.4113
1668	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	1993.1282	<ts>	1993.1892
1670		1993.9637	Um,	1994.3992
1672		1994.6166	usually, we have uh,	1996.2825
1674		1996.7158	dinner at my	1997.8858
1676		1998.1360	mother's or	1998.8255
1678		1999.1414	uh, they're here.	2000.1680
1680		2000.2855	Or, I'm at /RD-NAME-2/'s	2001.3961
1682		2001.5182	my wife's mother's	2002.4947
1684		2003.4025	uh,	2003.7395
1686		2004.0394	house.	2004.4421
1687	DTA_int_04	2004.6191	Mm-hm.	2004.8448
1688	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2005.2492	Um.	2005.5954
1689	DTA_int_04	2005.8075	Uh. What did you do when you were a kid around the end of October?	2008.7692
1691		2010.1286	One evening.	2010.8395
1692	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2011.6801	Mm. Halloween?	2012.5053
1693	DTA_int_04	2012.6182	Yeah.	2012.7951
1694	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2013.2235	We were devils.	2013.9957
1695	DTA_int_04	2014.1492	<laugh>	2014.8265
1696	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2015.2391	[Used to ra-]	2015.9531
1697	DTA_int_04	2015.2391	[/inaudible/]	2015.8944
1698	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2016.6732	But, we never did any of the pranks that,	2018.3420
1700		2018.4274	uh, people do now. We used to take this old photographic film	2021.1120
1702		2021.6673	and wrap it up and	2022.6544
1704		2022.8589	make what we call stench bombs.	2024.4662
1706		2024.9666	And we'd light it	2025.6195
1708		2025.9630	and put it on a person's porch and ring their bell and then run and on hide	2029.4414
1710		2029.6046	so we could see. And they'd open the door, and if you've smelled that stuff burning, it's horrible.	2033.9543
1712		2034.5950	What this didn't hurt [anyone.] I mean it [was, i-] people got mad.	2038.1870
1713	DTA_int_04	2035.8717	[Yeah.]	2036.0822
1715		2036.6863	[Yeah.]	2036.8816
1716	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2039.1145	Uh, we used to take, uh, thin line	2041.3620
1718		2042.3847	and, um,	2043.1611
1720		2044.5313	connect it across the side walk between two large uh.	2047.2324
1722		2047.4826	bottles of water, something,	2049.1576
1724		2049.6162	and a person walking by at night would	2051.4600
1726		2051.6675	kick it and <sound effect>	2052.7720
1727	DTA_int_04	2052.9795	[<laugh>]	2053.3212
1728	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2053.0588	[water] would wet their feet up.	2054.5640
1729		2055.1864	[Used to-]	2055.4427
1730	DTA_int_04	2055.3329	[Uh.]	2055.6746
1731		2056.6873	What did you say if you rang the doorbell and you wanted uh, some of the candy in [there?]	2060.3150
1732	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2060.0892	[Trick] or treat.	2060.8509
1733	DTA_int_04	2061.2903	[/That it/] what you ever said?	2062.4117
1734	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2061.3468	[Yeah.]	2061.8350
1735		2062.8097	[Huh?]	2062.9989
1736	DTA_int_04	2062.8219	[Did you] say anything else?	2063.6457
1737	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2064.0241	Uh.	2064.5122
1739		2066.1459	What else? There used to be a rhyme.	2067.7716
1741		2069.9396	Uh.	2070.3180
1742	DTA_int_04	2070.4571	Something about /death's door?/	2071.7080
1743	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2072.7795	I can't remember it.	2073.6400
1744	DTA_int_04	2073.8435	/?/	2074.2963
1745	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2074.7161	No.	2075.0273
1746	DTA_int_04	2075.1950	Okay. Um.	2076.0310
1748		2076.6839	What were those big orange things that they might [have around] the house?	2079.1401
1749	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2078.3086	[Hi.]	2078.5360
1750		2079.3612	Pumpkins?	2079.9456
1751	DTA_int_04	2080.1470	Yeah.	2080.4643
1752	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2080.5680	Yeah.	2080.8976
1753	DTA_int_04	2081.0180	And um, what about the	2082.1529
1755		2082.2689	woman all dressed in black and rides a broom?	2084.3840
1756	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2084.6819	/Nuh./	2085.1285
1758		2085.6641	A witch? [<laugh>]	2087.1361
1759	DTA_int_04	2086.4222	[/I think a/ witch] would be fine.	2087.7829
1760		2088.4908	When you were a kid, um,	2089.7198
1762		2090.0973	what did thing- uh, what did the fights usually start about?	2092.7727
1763	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2096.1443	Golly. It's hard-	2097.2670
1765		2098.6217	it's hard to really say. Uh. Some kid trying to take another kid's marbles.	2103.5838
1767		2105.5792	Um.	2106.0973
1769		2108.4068	And maybe the instigation of some older boys. I don't know. It- uh.	2112.9209
1770	DTA_int_04	2113.5006	Did you ever see any real	2114.6551
1772		2114.8015	tough fights?	2115.2754
1773	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2116.3738	Yeah. I've seen some tough ones in my time.	2118.0519
1775		2118.2696	Yeah.	2118.5014
1776	DTA_int_04	2119.7217	Can you ever tell me about any one of the ones that you might have seen or might have [been in?]	2123.6299
1777	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2123.2637	[Well, there] was this, uh,	2124.8503
1778		2125.5337	boy that they called Butch.	2127.0903
1780		2128.0361	And he was, uh	2129.3624
1782		2129.4680	kind of a rough kid, and then there was another rough kid called Little John. And this is- was just uh, natural,	2134.5154
1784		2135.2766	you know, that it should occur.	2136.5181
1786		2136.8846	They lived in two different parts of-	2138.5501
1788		2139.1604	Little John, I think went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, which is a-	2141.9047
1790		2142.1002	another	2142.4556
1792		2142.5411	elementary school.	2143.4970
1793	DTA_int_04	2143.6923	Mm-hm.	2143.9072
1794	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2143.9072	And Butch went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	2145.0592
1795		2145.6572	And this fight occurred and it was a doozy of a fight.	2148.0016
1797		2148.2518	And. <laugh>	2149.1732
1798	DTA_int_04	2149.9244	What did they fight with?	2150.8158
1799	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2151.9686	They fought with fists.	2152.9232
1801		2153.0300	They didn't uh. No, it wasn't, uh,	2154.8448
1803		2155.3728	that time I guess. It wasn't all this, uh,	2157.6550
1805		2158.6879	knives and that.	2159.6871
1807		2160.5858	[Yeah.]	2160.9512
1808	DTA_int_04	2160.6217	[Well, what] would you consider a fair fight then?	2162.9405
1809		2163.2090	When you were young.	2163.8436
1811		2164.4409	Did you have any [rules /inaudible/?]	2165.3572
1812	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2165.0824	[When I was] young uh, you fought with your fists and uh, you didn't do any kicking and this sort of thing. Just fought with your fists and	2171.1458
1813	DTA_int_04	2171.2756	Yeah.	2171.4312
1814	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2171.5120	may the best man win.	2172.6836
1815	DTA_int_04	2173.0984	Uh-huh.	2173.5561
1817		2173.9954	If- um,	2174.6545
1819		2174.8658	if a guy was really losing, he was down and he knew it and one of the other guy to stop	2178.7400
1821		2178.8644	was there anything he could do [like.]	2180.3465
1822	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2180.0841	[He'd raise] his hands.	2181.1092
1823	DTA_int_04	2181.2862	Mm-hm.	2181.4876
1824	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2181.7133	Let's see. We had a way. I think you raised both hands,	2183.8453
1826		2184.2863	and they'd say, he's wa- he's raised his hand, or /suddenly/ he'd raise one hand, I guess.	2187.1404
1828		2187.4883	He's raised his hand, the rest of 'em will pull him off.	2189.3096
1830		2189.5781	Pull the fellow off. Yeah.	2190.7192
1832		2191.1513	But they'd all gather around,	2192.5512
1834		2192.6763	while you were fighting, and it's just like a ring,	2194.8269
1835	DTA_int_04	2194.8269	Mm-hm.	2195.1684
1836	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2195.2419	but there was this, uh,	2196.5220
1838		2196.9444	if a fellow raised his hand, that was it. He gave up.	2199.3912
1839	DTA_int_04	2199.5864	And he didn't have to say anything then?	2201.2260
1840	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2202.5197	Well, he	2202.9529
1842		2203.5076	well, probably in conjunction with this say, I give, I give.	2206.1025
1843	DTA_int_04	2206.1231	Mm-hm.	2206.4496
1845		2207.9331	Um.	2208.3481
1847		2209.5473	If- did you ever see anyone get really badly beaten up?	2212.2566
1849		2213.5859	/inaudible/	2214.3792
1850	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2214.5378	Yeah.	2214.9345
1852		2215.4592	Eyes swollen,	2216.7354
1854		2217.2968	nose bleeding.	2218.0840
1856		2218.3525	This sort of thing.	2219.1568
1857	DTA_int_04	2219.1568	And that was a fist fight [/unintelligible/.]	2221.1907
1858	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2220.2551	Yeah.	2220.5358
1859		2221.3657	Yeah.	2221.7555
1860	DTA_int_04	2222.1702	Did they ever fight, um,	2223.4699
1862		2224.0191	in gangs?	2224.8551
1864		2225.0382	You s- you were talking about the fight [/?/]	2227.2397
1865	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2227.0322	[Yes,] they did, but uh,	2228.5654
1866		2228.6630	uh, I- I've never seen any gang fights.	2230.6872
1868		2232.0296	[Uh.]	2232.4249
1869	DTA_int_04	2232.0296	[Where would-] Where were the gang fights usually /unintelligible/?	2234.5851
1870	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2235.2075	This would be, uh, after school.	2237.0402
1872		2238.3352	And i- i- well, it wouldn't be on the school grounds at all. So, where the gang fights took place uh,	2242.7361
1874		2243.6598	Well, down on Milford.	2245.1162
1876		2245.2799	Which was kind of the	2246.5197
1878		2246.9303	main street	2248.0409
1880		2248.6694	in the neighborhood.	2249.5902
1882		2250.3957	And my mother didn't	2251.3171
1884		2251.5612	like us down on Milford too much, so we were rarely down there.	2254.1874
1885	DTA_int_04	2254.1874	What about nowadays?	2255.2004
1887		2255.8671	In Detroit.	2256.5140
1888	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2256.7747	Gang fights?	2257.4760
1889	DTA_int_04	2257.6479	Yeah.	2257.8469
1890	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2257.9445	I don't see any.	2258.7988
1892		2259.6470	Although, I know they occur cause I read about them all the time.	2261.8813
1893	DTA_int_04	2263.1566	Well, what about- uh,	2264.0491
1895		2264.1906	and around this area, of course,	2265.6429
1897		2265.7314	do they just-	2266.2775
1899		2266.4942	kids just sort of like, fight?	2267.5618
1901		2267.7937	There's small fist fights, anything like that?	2269.4826
1902	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2269.9036	I guess so.	2270.6115
1904		2270.8423	I don't see uh.	2271.7271
1906		2272.4472	Too much fisticuffs, I guess.	2273.8995
1908		2275.2786	Course, if you're near a school and a school lets out, you're gonna see a lot of it, but I mean, just in terms of, um,	2279.8753
1910		2280.8014	after school is out,	2281.8052
1912		2282.0097	I don't see too many.	2282.7894
1913	DTA_int_04	2282.9654	As a dentist, you don't come across too many of these accidents,	2285.6086
1915		2285.7642	do you?	2285.9402
1916	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2286.5626	[Accidents? Or] are [you speaking i- <laugh>] Yeah. No. I. Uh. You mean from fights?	2291.5984
1917	DTA_int_04	2287.1342	[Mm-hm.]	2287.3692
1919		2287.6808	[/?/]	2288.4008
1920		2291.5984	Yeah. When you <laugh>	2292.5015
1921	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2292.8176	Well, if-	2293.5987
1923		2294.3127	if- uh, if they are from fights, they usually are saying, I fell down.	2297.8818
1924	DTA_int_04	2298.1930	[Uh-huh.]	2298.5348
1925	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2298.3883	[Or] I was playing basketball and I was hit in the mouth with an elbow, and you can't tell the [differences.]	2303.5348
1926	DTA_int_04	2303.1223	[/inaudible/]	2304.0193
1927	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2304.3403	[Yeah. /unintelligible/]	2305.3504
1928	DTA_int_04	2304.3403	[/inaudible/]	2305.3504
1929		2305.6303	from.	2305.9964
1930	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2306.0940	Yeah.	2306.4846
1931	DTA_int_04	2307.1375	Okay. have you ever been in the hospital yourself?	2309.0724
1932	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2309.5545	Myself?	2310.0671
1933	DTA_int_04	2310.0976	Mm-hm.	2310.3600
1934	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2311.2021	Twice. Um.	2312.1980
1936		2312.7533	When I was a youngster, they thought I had um,	2314.4985
1938		2315.8773	uh, scarlet fever.	2316.8659
1940		2317.9704	And, um,	2318.6464
1942		2318.7623	my mother says they found out later that I didn't have it.	2321.0994
1943	DTA_int_04	2321.3435	Mm.	2321.5205
1944	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2322.1319	And while I was in the service, I had an infected foot.	2324.4080
1946		2325.2073	And I was in the hospital then.	2326.2081
1948		2327.0431	That's it.	2327.4458
1949	DTA_int_04	2328.1292	Mm-hm.	2328.4398
1951		2329.4656	Uh. When a person starts to sneeze and to cough, you might say he is ca- he is	2334.0675
1952	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2335.9910	He is uh, catching a cold.	2337.4555
1953	DTA_int_04	2337.5727	Mm-hm.	2337.9225
1955		2338.6528	And, uh, have you ever been in an automobile accident?	2341.1315
1956	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2342.0695	Minor.	2342.5743
1957	DTA_int_04	2343.1001	Minor.	2343.4093
1958	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2343.5370	Minor. Yeah.	2344.1854
1959	DTA_int_04	2344.2342	Have you ever seen a real bad one?	2345.5767
1960	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2347.4744	Uh. Yes. But only after it has happened.	2349.6687
1961	DTA_int_04	2351.0833	What do you think your impression was about that?	2353.1308
1963		2353.9818	What'd you feel?	2354.6469
1964	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2355.0924	Well, this was not too long ago, a fellow had, um,	2357.5975
1966		2359.7437	been driving at a high speed	2361.3304
1968		2362.2610	uh, down Linwood here	2363.5362
1970		2363.6583	and he ran into the back of a parked car and he	2366.2395
1972		2366.6483	hit it with such a force	2368.0109
1974		2368.5418	that I guess it jammed the car into reverse and the car backed up and went up on the, uh,	2372.4167
1976		2372.7767	lawn about	2373.4479
1978		2373.7347	three or four houses away.	2375.0067
1980		2375.5193	Across the street, and as a matter of fact, it was on a friend's	2378.9042
1982		2379.2459	uh	2379.5205
1984		2380.0148	lawn.	2380.4175
1986		2381.8698	Uh,	2382.2665
1988		2382.4824	when I drove by, it was	2383.8737
1990		2384.1239	right after the accident, and there were some fellows in there, tha- who were trying to pull this man from behind the wheel, and he was, uh, impinged.	2390.7879
1992		2391.8830	And uh. I told 'em, for heaven's sakes, what are you tryna i- tryna do? And	2395.2405
1994		2395.9361	this was earlier in the year.	2397.3276
1996		2397.6496	When it was cold.	2398.5236
1998		2398.8226	And I asked, well what are you gonna do once you get him out? I said	2401.2225
2000		2401.4422	uh, he may have fractured ribs here, he may puncture a lung if they didn't puncture it already.	2405.4876
2002		2405.8781	Leave him alone and wait until someone who has the	2408.0788
2004		2408.4145	proper equipment can get here	2409.6684
2006		2409.7372	to get him out.	2410.4526
2008		2411.2079	And um.	2411.8425
2010		2412.1598	And so	2412.7822
2012		2413.6511	they listened.	2414.2431
2014		2414.6763	And it was fortunate that they did uh, stop, because uh, whe- after the police got there, they had to call the fire department, they had to	2420.5318
2016		2421.1847	s- hacksaw the seat loose in order to get the man out from under the wheel.	2424.4292
2018		2425.6184	And, uh, you can imagine, you s- tryna get him out of there. <laugh>	2428.9460
2020		2429.8308	And you know.	2430.6227
2022		2431.0194	Well.	2431.4587
2023	DTA_int_04	2431.5991	Have you ever been in a situation where you thought you might be killed or you just might die?	2435.4192
2024	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2442.9051	One.	2443.4604
2026		2444.0051	And this is the closest that I've, uh,	2445.8561
2028		2446.6748	had come to it, and actually, it was after it was all over.	2448.8349
2030		2449.2316	And this was, uh, during the time that I was in the service.	2451.5904
2032		2452.1091	Uh,	2452.5667
2034		2452.6705	on the grenade range	2453.9214
2036		2454.5865	here at- in- at Camp Lee, there was railroad track that went by	2457.7198
2038		2458.2324	and	2458.8060
2040		2459.3751	it was my job	2460.3892
2042		2461.2205	at that time to, um,	2462.4348
2044		2463.3868	warn them, I had a walkie talkie, if a train was coming along, then they'd stop throwing	2467.0194
2046		2467.1475	grenades. These were live grenades.	2468.5998
2048		2469.6799	And, um,	2470.5464
2050		2470.8332	I was sitting there,	2471.9461
2052		2472.1291	you know,	2472.6051
2054		2472.7638	and you could hear the grenades going off in the distance, and you could hear the shrapnel	2476.5054
2056		2476.7311	hitting in the trees.	2477.7615
2058		2478.6899	Well,	2479.0500
2060		2480.2420	I heard this one fragment	2481.9971
2062		2482.4989	come right past my ear. <sound effect>	2483.7999
2064		2484.0257	and hit the track. Ping. You know, like all at once, this happened, you know,	2486.7533
2066		2487.0842	you just heard a <sound effect>	2487.8424
2068		2487.9614	ping like that.	2488.7806
2070		2489.1788	Well, um,	2490.1657
2072		2490.5780	t- I called up and told 'em what had happened, and uh, they told me, well move uh, about	2494.9105
2074		2495.4414	ten,	2495.8366
2076		2495.9525	fifteen more yards	2497.1663
2078		2497.5141	farther out, see.	2498.5169
2080		2498.9502	And so, uh,	2499.9753
2082		2500.0974	and I m-	2500.3903
2084		2500.5673	moved on out. But, uh,	2501.7984
2086		2502.3598	I star- afterward, I started thinking, that uh, evidently, it must have passed very close because	2506.9639
2088		2507.1775	what I heard.	2507.8426
2089	DTA_int_04	2507.9585	Hm.	2508.2331
2090	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2508.5932	And	2508.9715
2092		2509.3897	well, so.	2509.8840
2094		2509.9878	But it was all afterward, it wasn't	2511.4218
2096		2511.6903	me experiencing the- that I may	2513.9129
2098		2514.4194	die and you know, and [then something happening.]	2516.2745
2099	DTA_int_04	2515.4157	[Yeah.]	2515.6201
2101		2516.0113	[Yeah.] Y- you [thought nothing] about it, just happened and [then.]	2518.5966
2102	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2516.7565	[Yeah.]	2517.0738
2104		2518.4379	[Happened] then I thought about it afterward.	2520.1404
2105		2520.6447	Yeah.	2520.9803
2106	DTA_int_04	2521.3647	Some people say that whatever is going to happen is going to happen.	2524.2022
2108		2524.9734	what do you think about that?	2525.8277
2109	DTA_se3_ag3_m_01	2527.9085	Uh. I don't quite agree with that.	2529.6659
2111		2530.3174	Uh.	2530.7582
2113		2531.3918	I feel that uh, you yourself can pretty well	2534.7984
2115		2535.1523	determine	2535.8358
2117		2536.9159	uh, what's going	2537.8373
2119		2538.1302	to happen to a	2539.1149
2121		2539.6031	large degree.	2540.5184
2123		2541.2980	True, it's gonna, what you- uh	2543.0630
2125		2543.7586	uh,	2544.0808
2127		2544.4798	what	2544.8686
2129		2545.8206	will be accomplished will be determined	2547.6288
2131		2547.9278	by what's going to happen, if you	2549.3435
2133		2550.0513	die, then of course, what you	2551.3938
2135		2551.6491	plan to make happen	2552.7047
2137		2552.8571	doesn't happen. But, I think to a large degree-	2554.9137
2139		2555.7265	um,	2556.1963
2141		2556.9896	<ts>	2557.0750
2143		2557.2825	well, I look at life this way.	2558.3016
2145		2558.9484	Um.	2559.3267
2147		2560.4312	Some people say, well you're lucky to be a dentist,	2562.3871
2149		2562.5165	I- I tell 'em, well, I was not born a dentist, you know.	2565.0013
2151		2565.5261	Um.	2565.8617
2153		2566.0998	You can shoot	2567.0883
2155		2567.3752	in pool, you can	2568.5895
2157		2569.5475	shoot a, um,	2570.9900
2159		2572.1128	bank shot	2572.9427
2161		2573.8824	or-	2574.3513
2163		2574.7479	No.	2575.0164
2165		2575.5473	You can-	2576.1514
2167		2576.5114	Yeah.	2576.7555
2169		2577.1658	You can try to shoot a ball in a corner pocket	2579.5588
2171		2579.7114	and it's a bank shot.	2580.7365
2173		2581.0783	And you try to do it	2581.8749
2175		2582.1495	and you hit it, and the ball goes into the pocket.	2584.2609
2177		2584.4134	To me, that's not luck.	2585.4630
2179		2585.5728	You tried to do that, and you accomplished it.	2587.4612
2181		2588.1996	Now,	2588.5230
2183		2589.1515	if however,	2589.8838
2185		2590.1645	you, uh, tried the same shot and at the same time the uh,	2594.2028
2187		2594.5628	you got two balls in the pocket, you didn't plan that uh, because of the ways the balls were hitting, you got two in the pocket.	2599.9126
2189		2600.0225	You had luck there.	2600.8279
2191		2601.1453	But this other shot that banked in that's not luck. This was planned, and you accomplished it.	2604.7714
2193		2605.0521	This is the way I look at life.	2606.3580
2195		2607.2062	Yeah.	2607.4381
2196	DTA_int_04	2607.5001	Yeah. Well, thank you.	2608.5226