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1 | DTA_int_01 | 0.5720 | Um. | 0.9015 |
3 | | 1.2838 | When you were a child, can you remember some of the games you used to play | 3.7551 |
4 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 4.2705 | [Oh, certainly.] | 5.2896 |
5 | DTA_int_01 | 4.2982 | [/inaudible/] | 5.2868 |
6 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 6.4700 | Well, | 6.9704 |
8 | | 7.3548 | uh, as a child, I lived in | 9.8912 |
10 | | 10.1170 | New Orleans. | 11.0140 |
11 | DTA_int_01 | 11.1177 | Mm-hm. | 11.3313 |
12 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 11.8624 | And, um, | 12.7777 |
14 | | 14.0064 | at that time | 15.0804 |
16 | | 15.7700 | there was, uh, very little organized recreation. | 19.2359 |
18 | | 19.7729 | We played uh | 20.9933 |
20 | | 21.2923 | with the neighbors, | 22.3907 |
22 | | 22.8637 | on the corners, in the backyards, thing like that. | 26.0856 |
23 | DTA_int_01 | 26.3925 | Uh-huh. | 26.6492 |
24 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 27.5030 | Uh. | 28.1804 |
26 | | 29.2644 | <ts> We made | 30.2103 |
28 | | 30.5947 | many of our toys. | 31.9738 |
29 | DTA_int_01 | 32.3412 | Oh yeah? | 32.6646 |
30 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 33.0735 | Like um, | 34.0437 |
32 | | 35.3402 | well these are things you- you- you've never heard of before like a pop gun for example. | 39.8335 |
33 | DTA_int_01 | 40.0837 | Oh. | 40.3339 |
34 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 40.5902 | There's a tree called a China Ball Tree that grows in uh, | 45.0907 |
36 | | 45.2543 | the south. | 45.8441 |
38 | | 47.1446 | It has a green berry that, uh, grows in clusters like grapes. | 51.3322 |
40 | | 52.6035 | Then there's a- uh, | 54.6355 |
42 | | 55.6094 | uh, a type- a species of bamboo. | 58.1906 |
44 | | 58.9268 | Uh, which is called | 60.3364 |
46 | | 60.7209 | cane reed, | 61.5813 |
48 | | 62.0381 | locally. | 62.6971 |
49 | DTA_int_01 | 63.0205 | Mm-hm. | 63.2890 |
50 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 63.9786 | Uh. The boys | 65.5712 |
52 | | 65.9435 | would uh | 66.7245 |
54 | | 67.5265 | mm, | 67.7706 |
56 | | 68.1347 | cut the cane reed off | 69.8310 |
58 | | 70.4657 | and they would separate it between the nodes | 73.5299 |
60 | | 74.2218 | so that they- uh, the joints were- | 76.7480 |
62 | | 76.9311 | were severed. | 77.5657 |
64 | | 77.7732 | And they had the straight | 79.0730 |
66 | | 79.4147 | tube. | 79.8784 |
67 | DTA_int_01 | 80.5498 | Oh I see. [Yeah.] | 81.4322 |
68 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 80.9830 | [Yeah.] Now, you had to get when it was green. | 83.6863 |
69 | DTA_int_01 | 84.0155 | Uh-huh. | 84.2901 |
70 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 85.1261 | And it has a pith inside. | 87.2558 |
72 | | 88.1015 | Well, | 88.5103 |
74 | | 88.8158 | uh- i- you would jus- take a- a stick. | 91.6630 |
76 | | 92.3731 | Ordinary pines, piece of pine wood | 94.5942 |
78 | | 95.0759 | and you would make it round | 96.6137 |
80 | | 97.4411 | and uh | 98.5517 |
82 | | 98.7043 | tap it at the ends until it became fibrous. | 101.9811 |
84 | | 102.6435 | And it would make a sponge that would uh | 105.0027 |
86 | | 105.5092 | take up the diameter of the uh | 107.9073 |
88 | | 108.6806 | of the inside of the | 110.2245 |
90 | | 110.9290 | bamboo, | 111.5758 |
92 | | 112.3874 | uh, | 113.0220 |
94 | | 113.7542 | section. | 114.2729 |
95 | DTA_int_01 | 114.5536 | Okay. | 115.0845 |
96 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 115.3487 | Now, uh, the diameter of this was of course | 118.0704 |
98 | | 118.3877 | rather small in- in | 120.2672 |
100 | | 120.8598 | uh | 121.4425 |
102 | | 121.5554 | contrast to the regular bamboo poles that you think of, you see, it was a very small diameter thing. | 126.8521 |
104 | | 127.2036 | And you had to get it while it was green. I mean , when it- uh, when it turned yellow, it was too dry, then it would split. | 132.9269 |
106 | | 134.3148 | Then on the other end, an ordinary, | 136.6963 |
108 | | 137.1235 | um, | 137.6239 |
110 | | 138.3778 | spool from thread. | 139.9521 |
112 | | 140.8184 | I- you put the- the stick into | 143.7449 |
114 | | 144.1050 | the hole in the spool to make a handle at this end. | 147.2027 |
115 | DTA_int_01 | 147.3614 | Mm-hm. | 147.6299 |
116 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 147.8068 | And a sponge at the other end. | 149.5022 |
118 | | 150.6860 | then, you would take the China Balls, cut them in half. | 154.0488 |
120 | | 154.6407 | Insert the first half | 156.2639 |
122 | | 156.9310 | into the- one end of the tube | 158.7799 |
124 | | 159.1644 | and push it through. | 160.1956 |
126 | | 161.1187 | then you would | 161.6374 |
128 | | 161.9120 | insert the other half of the China Ball that- | 164.5727 |
130 | | 164.7008 | into that same end | 166.0738 |
132 | | 167.1427 | and push it in. | 168.3143 |
134 | | 169.2644 | Well, what happened was that | 170.5276 |
136 | | 170.8632 | the air between the- | 172.6511 |
138 | | 172.8422 | the two pieces of this China berry | 175.2260 |
140 | | 175.6287 | would compress. | 176.6722 |
141 | DTA_int_01 | 176.8277 | Mm, oh. | 177.4797 |
142 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 179.0480 | So | 179.3958 |
144 | | 180.1830 | that | 180.3844 |
146 | | 181.6217 | when you, um, | 182.5920 |
148 | | 183.5256 | gave the- the spool on this end a <click> | 186.7248 |
149 | DTA_int_01 | 187.0543 | [<laugh>] | 187.5302 |
150 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 187.1972 | [a b-] | 187.5389 |
151 | | 188.3072 | a blow then it would compress the air and the first | 191.4010 |
153 | | 191.7061 | section wou- would shoot out with a reasonable force. | 195.1768 |
155 | | 195.7694 | Well, that was a pop gun. | 197.0020 |
157 | | 198.2336 | Then we had rubber guns. | 199.9654 |
159 | | 200.1785 | /Uh/, | 200.6989 |
161 | | 201.2215 | cut off a | 201.8867 |
163 | | 202.6925 | um, | 203.3393 |
165 | | 204.1049 | sections of an inner tube. | 205.6427 |
166 | DTA_int_01 | 205.8502 | Mm-hm. | 206.1064 |
167 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 206.7350 | And uh, i- we had a- a notched stick, a stick with notches in it and a string on it. | 212.3645 |
169 | | 213.1740 | Well, you'd stretch the, uh, | 214.7544 |
171 | | 215.1023 | string across the notches. | 217.0244 |
173 | | 217.9944 | And uh stretch the rubber bands | 220.3132 |
175 | | 220.5153 | the- from the inner tube to each notch. One to each notch. | 224.6230 |
177 | | 225.0538 | And then as you pull the string progressively, it would | 228.2399 |
179 | | 228.8196 | shoot the rubber bands off. Well that was a rubber band gun. | 232.5716 |
180 | DTA_int_01 | 232.8328 | <laugh> | 233.4442 |
181 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 234.2593 | Uh. As far as games were concerned, | 237.0785 |
183 | | 237.7776 | we played t- tag and all, like everyone else. | 241.4633 |
185 | | 241.9670 | But there was a g- game that was especially popular called kick the stick. | 246.4370 |
186 | DTA_int_01 | 246.7939 | Mm-hm. | 247.0563 |
187 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 247.2088 | It was a variation of baseball. | 249.9915 |
188 | DTA_int_01 | 250.1379 | Oh. | 250.3881 |
189 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 250.5834 | Uh, you'd put a stick on, um, | 252.6276 |
191 | | 253.1487 | two p- | 253.5270 |
193 | | 254.0091 | two bricks | 254.9000 |
195 | | 255.6434 | and, uh, you'd kick it and you'd, uh, make it to the bases. And the object was to make | 261.0249 |
197 | | 261.5436 | to the base before the man who | 264.0612 |
199 | | 264.3846 | roughly approximated the pitcher | 266.4472 |
201 | | 267.3520 | could retrieve the stick | 268.4321 |
203 | | 268.9236 | and put it back on the two bricks it was kicked from. | 271.7086 |
205 | | 272.2883 | Well, if- if he got it back before you got to base, you're out and so forth. | 276.3985 |
207 | | 278.0471 | Um, | 278.8526 |
209 | | 280.3232 | we also played uh | 281.9148 |
211 | | 283.3420 | a game called uh | 285.2039 |
213 | | 287.0576 | stick up. | 287.8082 |
214 | DTA_int_01 | 288.7206 | How'd you play that? | 289.2942 |
215 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 289.4833 | Now this | 290.2156 |
217 | | 291.1318 | w- uh, you see there was very little paving | 293.7862 |
219 | | 294.2378 | in uh, New Orleans at this time. | 296.3740 |
221 | | 297.0026 | And wherever we could find a convenient mud hole, | 300.2440 |
222 | DTA_int_01 | 300.6040 | <laugh> | 301.1532 |
223 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 301.1715 | we used broom sticks, were about eighteen inches long. | 304.8212 |
225 | | 305.5352 | And you'd throw your stick down into the | 308.1095 |
227 | | 308.4878 | mud | 309.0309 |
229 | | 309.7814 | and if you could manage to knock the other fellow's stick down, | 314.0798 |
231 | | 315.4405 | then, uh, | 316.2760 |
233 | | 317.3682 | you were allowed to pick his stick up | 319.6303 |
235 | | 320.1429 | and knock it as far as you could | 322.2359 |
236 | DTA_int_01 | 322.5217 | Mm-hm. | 322.7902 |
237 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 322.8634 | and while he was retrieving his stick, | 325.1826 |
239 | | 325.5362 | you had to stick your stick in the mud three times. | 328.8871 |
241 | | 329.5276 | You see. | 329.9853 |
242 | DTA_int_01 | 330.0707 | [Mm-hm.] | 330.3225 |
243 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 330.3042 | [If] you failed to to that, then he could | 333.3532 |
244 | | 333.5912 | take your stick | 334.4272 |
246 | | 335.0681 | and knock it away. | 336.2153 |
247 | DTA_int_01 | 336.3871 | [Oh.] | 336.8265 |
248 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 336.4166 | [You see.] | 336.8668 |
249 | | 338.0957 | Uh. | 338.8707 |
250 | DTA_int_01 | 341.0311 | Do you have a winner in that game or? | 342.3857 |
252 | | 342.7619 | How did you? | 343.2440 |
253 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 343.6772 | It was just a time passing game, there were no scores. | 347.0992 |
254 | DTA_int_01 | 347.1964 | Uh-huh. | 347.5122 |
255 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 347.5935 | You just played the game to- to do something. Just to have something to do. | 351.9760 |
256 | DTA_int_01 | 352.2042 | Uh-huh. | 352.4239 |
257 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 352.8402 | Because uh | 353.8959 |
259 | | 354.2240 | playgrounds and swings, | 356.1340 |
261 | | 357.0598 | seesaws, things like that, were just not available to | 360.8126 |
263 | | 361.1177 | children in | 361.7707 |
265 | | 362.5061 | the section of the city that I lived in and, uh, | 365.2354 |
267 | | 365.8761 | so we just had to make up our games. | 367.8770 |
269 | | 368.4567 | We made kites too. | 369.8602 |
271 | | 370.4123 | And they are the most interesting. | 372.4626 |
273 | | 373.2137 | Uh. The kites there | 374.9711 |
275 | | 375.1908 | are made a special way | 377.0520 |
277 | | 377.4975 | because | 378.1443 |
279 | | 379.3281 | uh, you have a doldrums, uh, times where there's very little air, | 383.4537 |
280 | DTA_int_01 | 383.7100 | Oh. | 384.0489 |
281 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 384.0611 | very little circulation of air. | 385.5805 |
283 | | 385.8702 | Uh like here. | 387.3347 |
285 | | 388.3355 | Uh. | 388.9157 |
287 | | 389.5931 | So that | 390.1467 |
289 | | 390.3847 | the- the kites were made out of, um, | 393.2527 |
291 | | 393.6716 | cypress wood | 394.8363 |
293 | | 395.0127 | and you had to find a piece of cypress wood. It split very easily and it was a very straight grain. | 400.9472 |
295 | | 402.3385 | Uh. | 403.0524 |
297 | | 403.6381 | The kites usually had | 405.2674 |
299 | | 405.6402 | three sticks, two across in an X | 408.4280 |
301 | | 408.8247 | and then one th- um, | 410.5644 |
303 | | 410.7497 | horizontal stick so that you had a | 412.9196 |
305 | | 413.4017 | six sided | 414.4313 |
307 | | 414.6783 | kite. | 415.1360 |
309 | | 415.6119 | And you varied the shape by | 417.4609 |
311 | | 417.8418 | uh the amount of um | 419.4344 |
313 | | 420.0902 | of, uh, the length | 421.4876 |
315 | | 422.0060 | below the intersection. You could have it | 424.6422 |
317 | | 425.1401 | so that the, um, | 426.2995 |
319 | | 426.6898 | kite would- would be an- an- uh an | 429.6403 |
321 | | 429.7530 | even /octangul/ | 431.2054 |
323 | | 431.5297 | octangular kite | 432.8173 |
325 | | 433.2383 | or it could be an elongated kite. | 436.3371 |
327 | | 437.4172 | And uh | 438.2715 |
329 | | 439.1624 | it was made with thread | 440.5393 |
331 | | 441.1434 | and um tissue paper. | 443.0412 |
333 | | 443.9444 | And paper | 444.9818 |
335 | | 445.4516 | with paste | 446.2815 |
337 | | 446.6223 | wa- flour and water paste | 448.3859 |
338 | DTA_int_01 | 448.8008 | Uh-huh. | 449.0876 |
339 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 449.1547 | and you could make them in various colors, | 451.5622 |
341 | | 451.8641 | and, uh, | 452.5598 |
343 | | 453.1973 | decorate them. | 454.0638 |
345 | | 455.0401 | And you had to fly them with thread. You couldn't use the kite string. It would never go up, I mean the kites that you see now are absolutely too heavy | 463.5806 |
347 | | 464.0932 | for that part of the country. They just wouldn't [fly.] | 466.7031 |
348 | DTA_int_01 | 466.1031 | [What kid of paper] did you use again? | 467.2828 |
349 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 467.4659 | Tiss- tissue paper. Um. | 469.0402 |
351 | | 469.6505 | Uh. | 470.2973 |
353 | | 470.8465 | You know, the kind of paper you used for gift wrapping. | 473.4359 |
354 | DTA_int_01 | 473.5030 | Oh yeah. | 473.9973 |
355 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 474.0705 | Only you could get it in colors. You could get any color | 477.0294 |
357 | | 477.2369 | you wanted and then you | 478.5305 |
359 | | 478.9821 | could paste uh, two different colors together | 481.6636 |
361 | | 482.2617 | [and he-] | 483.1270 |
362 | DTA_int_01 | 482.2666 | [Was it uh, one] thickness then? | 483.6396 |
363 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 483.9886 | Oh yes. Just one thickness. | 485.5995 |
364 | DTA_int_01 | 485.7438 | [Hm.] | 486.1832 |
365 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 485.7482 | [Mm-hm.] | 486.1875 |
366 | | 486.4029 | That was the whole idea, to make the kite | 488.2335 |
368 | | 488.5770 | as light as possible | 490.0781 |
370 | | 490.5785 | because you had so little | 492.1780 |
372 | | 492.6308 | air | 493.0384 |
374 | | 493.3862 | to- to get it up. And it was a real trick to even get that | 496.6674 |
376 | | 496.8443 | little thing up, | 497.6620 |
378 | | 497.9077 | you [see.] | 498.4111 |
379 | DTA_int_01 | 498.1321 | [Huh.] | 498.3182 |
380 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 499.7856 | Uh. | 500.4629 |
382 | | 501.1728 | So those were um, | 502.6434 |
384 | | 503.1424 | those were some of the things we did for recreation. | 506.1089 |
385 | DTA_int_01 | 508.6811 | Sounds real interesting. | 509.7003 |
387 | | 510.4387 | Um. | 510.7865 |
389 | | 511.3566 | What are your favorite TV programs now? | 513.2604 |
390 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 516.1817 | Well, actually, my favorite program comes- comes on between uh, six thirty and seven o'clock in the morning. | 523.7207 |
391 | DTA_int_01 | 523.9038 | Uh-huh. | 524.1784 |
392 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 524.5891 | [That's] um. | 525.6251 |
393 | DTA_int_01 | 524.5922 | [/inaudible/] | 524.9797 |
394 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 526.6686 | The, um, | 527.4741 |
396 | | 528.9856 | I think it's called the Sunrise Semester | 531.2312 |
398 | | 531.6112 | and the University of Michigan has a program, Channel Four | 535.9428 |
400 | | 536.4188 | and Channel Two. | 537.5840 |
402 | | 537.8891 | Uh, have programs both at that time of the morning. | 540.3727 |
404 | | 540.6656 | I'm the first one up, I'm down here by myself. | 543.2630 |
406 | | 543.9159 | And I'm getting my breakfast and I listen to this program and then to the news, and it's time to go to work then. | 549.5852 |
407 | DTA_int_01 | 549.7549 | Mm-hm. | 550.0051 |
408 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 551.2682 | But they have had such a variety | 554.0931 |
410 | | 554.3159 | of | 554.6454 |
412 | | 554.7522 | programs and | 555.7127 |
414 | | 556.3046 | uh, they're all educational programs without commercials. | 559.9095 |
415 | DTA_int_01 | 560.0843 | Hm. | 560.3162 |
416 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 560.5484 | F- uh straight through from six thirty to seven. | 563.4954 |
418 | | 564.3353 | And, um, I found them to be | 566.7945 |
420 | | 566.9721 | most instructive and very interesting. | 568.9431 |
421 | DTA_int_01 | 568.9431 | Mm-hm. | 569.3825 |
423 | | 570.7407 | Do you have a pet in the family here? | 572.2906 |
424 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 572.5530 | [No.] No, we don't have any pets. | 574.2616 |
425 | DTA_int_01 | 574.4874 | Do you remember when you were a boy | 575.6102 |
427 | | 575.8570 | did you have a pet? | 576.4245 |
429 | | 577.1018 | No? | 577.4619 |
430 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 577.8768 | Yes, a, uh, | 579.5305 |
432 | | 579.8914 | uh. We did have. | 581.5695 |
434 | | 582.5397 | We had dogs. | 583.8212 |
436 | | 585.2124 | And uh, they were mostly | 586.9637 |
438 | | 587.1773 | poodles. Long haired | 589.3619 |
440 | | 589.8407 | dogs, very difficult to care for. | 592.0800 |
441 | DTA_int_01 | 592.1258 | Mm-hm. | 592.3363 |
442 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 592.4889 | I had to wash them and they hated water. | 594.6922 |
443 | DTA_int_01 | 594.8417 | <laugh> | 595.1490 |
444 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 595.9104 | And uh, one time I had uh, rabbits. | 598.8760 |
445 | DTA_int_01 | 599.3110 | Oh. | 599.5751 |
446 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 602.1304 | Those were the only, uh, pets we ever had. | 604.4125 |
447 | DTA_int_01 | 604.7981 | I see. | 605.2697 |
449 | | 606.2704 | Um. | 606.6182 |
451 | | 607.0637 | You remember | 607.6861 |
453 | | 608.4755 | any ways that you used to | 609.9495 |
455 | | 610.1436 | kind of pretend that you could get a wish? | 611.7230 |
457 | | 613.3889 | Uh. You know | 614.0906 |
459 | | 614.5026 | if | 614.6674 |
461 | | 615.4121 | say, some people say if an eyelash falls off, they | 617.7675 |
463 | | 618.0116 | put it on their thumb, make a wish and then they blow it away? | 620.5038 |
465 | | 621.5642 | And then their wish will probably come true. | 623.8403 |
467 | | 624.6425 | Any other ways like this? | 625.6921 |
468 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 626.7700 | Well, it's a long time since I thought about that, but I think | 630.0721 |
470 | | 630.2510 | the- um, | 631.1586 |
472 | | 631.7946 | the | 632.1729 |
474 | | 632.6611 | dandelions | 634.1073 |
475 | DTA_int_01 | 634.7019 | Hm. | 634.9581 |
476 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 635.2123 | The dandelion seeds was, uh, a wishing device. | 638.5740 |
477 | DTA_int_01 | 638.7343 | Mm-hm. | 638.8929 |
478 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 638.8929 | when I was a kid. You'd- | 639.7639 |
479 | | 640.0690 | You'd blow them | 641.0551 |
481 | | 641.3053 | and you'd make a wish. | 642.3854 |
483 | | 642.5832 | Now as- as I remember it, it's been a long time as I said [since I] thought about that, but that I think is | 648.2038 |
484 | DTA_int_01 | 646.0366 | [Oh.] | 646.3173 |
485 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 648.4845 | I think the kids do that now. | 649.9561 |
486 | DTA_int_01 | 650.1452 | Uh-huh. | 650.3598 |
488 | | 651.6962 | Are there any other ways like this? | 652.7457 |
489 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 656.5143 | No. I ca- I can't think of anything like that about wishing. | 659.9179 |
490 | DTA_int_01 | 660.2413 | Uh-huh. | 660.5159 |
492 | | 661.3654 | Um. | 661.8048 |
494 | | 662.8788 | From your, let's say from your elementary school days, | 665.0936 |
496 | | 665.6733 | uh, what are some the things that you studied? | 667.5531 |
498 | | 667.8122 | What are some of the subjects that you had? | 669.2340 |
499 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 669.8076 | In elementary [school?] | 670.8992 |
500 | DTA_int_01 | 670.7660 | [Yeah.] | 671.0247 |
501 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 671.7937 | Reading, writing, arithmetic, geography, | 674.0334 |
503 | | 674.9060 | history | 675.3942 |
505 | | 676.7299 | civics. | 677.3890 |
506 | DTA_int_01 | 677.8222 | Uh-huh. | 678.0480 |
507 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 681.7655 | The- The re- the usual [courses, nothing-] nothing unusual. | 684.9612 |
508 | DTA_int_01 | 683.2446 | [/?/] | 683.7496 |
509 | | 685.3274 | Uh, okay. | 685.8460 |
511 | | 686.2044 | Uh. | 686.5583 |
513 | | 686.8053 | From your- | 687.2987 |
515 | | 688.0554 | from your desk in the classroom, let's say | 689.9235 |
517 | | 690.0639 | maybe | 690.5024 |
519 | | 690.8441 | well, in | 691.7716 |
521 | | 692.4733 | high school or | 693.2572 |
523 | | 693.6172 | college or whatever it was. | 694.5996 |
525 | | 695.2037 | What- what would you | 696.1374 |
527 | | 696.3021 | usually see at the front of the room? | 697.9712 |
529 | | 698.6363 | What were some of the things you might see? | 700.0581 |
530 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 702.8740 | Oh. At what- at what grade level let's [say.] | 705.5487 |
531 | DTA_int_01 | 705.1215 | [Doesn't make any-] uh. Well let's say, in high school. | 707.5319 |
532 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 708.0139 | <ts> In high [school.] | 709.1001 |
533 | DTA_int_01 | 708.9231 | [I'm asking] you for kind of. | 709.6127 |
534 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 710.1981 | Well, there would, um, | 711.7053 |
536 | | 712.2057 | there would | 712.7301 |
538 | | 712.8709 | be the- the teacher. | 714.2194 |
539 | DTA_int_01 | 714.5959 | Mm-hm. | 714.8278 |
540 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 715.0292 | <ts> And uh, in high school, the teacher was a um | 718.8064 |
542 | | 720.1014 | a sister- a Notre Dame sister. | 722.3836 |
543 | DTA_int_01 | 722.5935 | Mm-hm. | 722.8009 |
544 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 723.3013 | Uh. She wore this | 724.7963 |
546 | | 725.0552 | voluminous black habit with the | 726.9163 |
548 | | 727.9129 | white collar. | 729.2258 |
550 | | 729.6407 | And I could remember it very visi- vividly, one or the other of them, but they all | 734.3717 |
552 | | 734.8050 | dressed alike, you know, the face was the only difference. | 737.5265 |
554 | | 738.5314 | And the blackboard. | 739.7605 |
556 | | 740.1145 | And, um, | 740.9871 |
558 | | 743.4157 | the desk. Now, I- I'm- as I recall, I'm not aware | 747.8765 |
560 | | 748.3373 | of any other things | 750.2473 |
562 | | 750.6134 | that were in- in the rooms. We- we had a home room. | 753.6886 |
563 | DTA_int_01 | 753.8412 | Mm-hm. | 754.0548 |
564 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 754.2866 | And in the homeroom, we started the day | 756.8333 |
566 | | 757.1201 | as we ended the day. | 758.3589 |
568 | | 759.0558 | But uh, we went to- we rotated classes | 762.0642 |
569 | DTA_int_01 | 762.3653 | [Uh-huh.] | 762.6563 |
570 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 762.5422 | [uh,] various | 763.7138 |
571 | | 764.2215 | places | 764.7097 |
573 | | 765.8019 | in the building. | 766.6013 |
575 | | 766.9003 | But um. | 767.8156 |
577 | | 769.4816 | I can't remember anything especially about any of those classes. | 773.0553 |
578 | DTA_int_01 | 773.1591 | What did all the students work- | 774.6157 |
580 | | 774.8860 | uh, and were did the students work? Did they have their own | 777.1133 |
582 | | 778.5527 | place to work? | 779.2910 |
584 | | 779.7060 | I mean in the classroom. | 780.6091 |
585 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 780.9020 | Oh yes. I mean there were these individual desks. Some of them were the, | 784.8968 |
587 | | 785.3727 | uh, one arm | 786.6940 |
589 | | 786.9564 | chairs. | 787.5823 |
591 | | 788.2474 | Uh. And I think there were a few, uh, l- | 791.3229 |
593 | | 791.6219 | of the lift up type desk. But, uh, we didn't have uh the | 795.8450 |
595 | | 796.3088 | conference type uh, | 797.9258 |
597 | | 798.2859 | uh classrooms like they have now with groups | 801.0762 |
599 | | 801.3874 | around the table. That | 802.8432 |
601 | | 803.0202 | was a little | 803.8318 |
603 | | 804.0087 | previous. | 804.6983 |
604 | DTA_int_01 | 804.8691 | Mm-hm. | 805.0949 |
606 | | 806.4679 | Um. | 806.8950 |
608 | | 807.7178 | What are some of the things that | 808.8467 |
610 | | 809.7641 | the, uh, children might play on the playground? Uh. | 812.6595 |
612 | | 812.8273 | Well, equipment. | 813.5291 |
614 | | 815.0748 | You know, special equipment that | 816.2708 |
616 | | 817.2227 | probably I- I don't know if it would be | 818.7774 |
618 | | 819.2229 | you would have this | 820.0575 |
620 | | 820.2100 | in | 820.5043 |
622 | | 821.1605 | you would have had this at your school. Let's say now, uh, on a real | 824.4334 |
624 | | 824.6348 | you know, well furnished playground, what might your kids play on? | 826.8614 |
625 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 827.7281 | Well, they would have, um, | 829.2977 |
627 | | 830.3778 | swings | 831.1710 |
629 | | 831.9415 | and teeter-totters. | 833.4610 |
631 | | 834.1505 | There are the, um, | 835.3343 |
633 | | 837.1691 | climbing apparatus. | 838.8102 |
635 | | 840.0524 | To some people call them monkey bars. | 842.2940 |
637 | | 842.6738 | There are tho- | 843.1605 |
639 | | 843.2444 | the l- | 843.5797 |
641 | | 843.7201 | the uh, overhead ladders. | 845.7761 |
643 | | 846.7708 | Uh. | 847.4121 |
645 | | 847.5708 | Then uh, lately | 848.8583 |
647 | | 849.1024 | they have gone in for this construction | 851.5674 |
649 | | 852.0190 | type | 852.3607 |
651 | | 852.7024 | thing where you have um | 854.3256 |
653 | | 854.9528 | facsimiles of animals or, uh, they use these huge drain tiles for climbing through. | 861.1271 |
655 | | 861.7383 | Um. | 862.3912 |
657 | | 864.5545 | <ts> | 864.6812 |
659 | | 864.8764 | Uh. Sandboxes. | 866.4339 |
660 | DTA_int_01 | 868.6002 | Would monkey bars have to be in any special shape | 870.5895 |
662 | | 871.1815 | at all? or? | 871.8100 |
663 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 872.6521 | Well, some of them | 873.6094 |
665 | | 873.8169 | uh, were, um, | 874.9519 |
667 | | 875.5072 | the pyramid shape. | 876.5220 |
669 | | 876.6400 | They- they were wide at the base and then they narrowed to a tower | 880.6514 |
671 | | 881.0200 | and in the center was the- the- a high- the highest point. | 884.3426 |
672 | DTA_int_01 | 884.5073 | Mm-hm. | 884.8185 |
673 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 884.9101 | And others | 885.7926 |
675 | | 886.0916 | had a rounded shape, uh, they- uh, | 888.5202 |
677 | | 888.6286 | they curved at the top and came down to- with perpendicular sides. | 893.3784 |
678 | DTA_int_01 | 893.4952 | Mm-hm. | 893.8384 |
679 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 894.4228 | So it- they- they just varied in shape depending on the manufacturer | 898.4817 |
680 | DTA_int_01 | 898.6525 | Uh-huh. | 898.9210 |
682 | | 899.9018 | Um. If you step outside the | 901.4029 |
684 | | 901.8667 | classroom, | 902.4492 |
686 | | 902.9662 | uh in a school, | 903.8388 |
688 | | 904.3209 | you would- | 904.6443 |
690 | | 904.8152 | where would you be in the long. | 906.0966 |
691 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 906.3838 | In the corridor. Yes. | 907.6836 |
692 | DTA_int_01 | 907.7218 | Uh-huh. | 907.9446 |
694 | | 908.6721 | And what does- what do the | 909.8621 |
696 | | 910.3061 | kids do after school is out? | 911.6683 |
698 | | 912.1615 | I mean, I should say, what did you do after school was out? | 914.1997 |
700 | | 914.4437 | when you were in. | 915.2675 |
701 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 915.4468 | <ts> | 915.4834 |
703 | | 915.7191 | In high school | 916.6377 |
705 | | 918.6593 | when school was over, we- uh, | 920.3281 |
707 | | 920.4348 | we usually made it for the outside | 922.4695 |
708 | DTA_int_01 | 922.6773 | Mm-hm. | 922.8604 |
709 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 922.8695 | and um | 923.7021 |
711 | | 924.3999 | the | 924.7599 |
713 | | 925.0894 | car line was about a half a block to the corner. | 928.3608 |
715 | | 928.9902 | And | 929.7957 |
717 | | 930.5645 | I remember | 931.4118 |
719 | | 931.6986 | learning the lessons about ladies first | 934.5605 |
720 | DTA_int_01 | 934.8750 | Uh-huh. | 935.1038 |
721 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 935.1252 | <ts> | 935.2381 |
723 | | 935.4028 | because um | 936.2907 |
725 | | 936.6308 | the- | 936.7911 |
727 | | 937.0591 | the uh | 937.6254 |
729 | | 939.3087 | students would line up as close | 941.8787 |
731 | | 942.5350 | to the street car rail | 944.4451 |
733 | | 944.6709 | as they dared | 945.8289 |
735 | | 946.5504 | and still let the car go by. | 948.4356 |
736 | DTA_int_01 | 948.4784 | Huh. | 948.6340 |
737 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 949.0786 | And uh they would line up about maybe a width of ten feet | 953.7825 |
739 | | 953.9334 | approximately to where they expected the car door | 957.4103 |
741 | | 958.1983 | to open. | 958.8208 |
742 | DTA_int_01 | 958.9733 | Mm-hm. | 959.2174 |
743 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 959.4976 | And sometimes the | 960.7608 |
745 | | 960.9364 | the street car would stop at this end of the line, sometimes at | 964.3963 |
747 | | 964.5123 | the | 964.7380 |
749 | | 965.0041 | other end of the line, sometimes it would stop right in the middle. | 967.8782 |
751 | | 968.5000 | Well, whoever happened to be in front of the door | 971.8148 |
753 | | 972.1138 | sort of won this game because the were the first ones on [to this] street car, you see, others | 977.2854 |
754 | DTA_int_01 | 975.0826 | [<laugh>] | 975.5555 |
755 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 977.6576 | would have to file in afterwards. | 979.5310 |
757 | | 980.9426 | Well one day I happened to win the game and, um, | 985.3381 |
759 | | 986.1314 | the- the car door opened | 988.0145 |
761 | | 989.1299 | and um | 990.2038 |
763 | | 990.9341 | the step dropped down. You see, the- the- the doors folded | 994.4877 |
765 | | 994.6281 | back and opened and then the- the step | 997.5943 |
767 | | 997.9970 | came down. | 998.7757 |
768 | DTA_int_01 | 998.8812 | Mm-hm. | 999.1497 |
769 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 999.3328 | And the surge from the back caught me totally unprepared. | 1003.1653 |
771 | | 1003.5572 | Pushed me against the iron step and I scraped my shins | 1007.9089 |
772 | DTA_int_01 | 1006.2689 | [<laugh>] | 1006.9265 |
773 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1008.0676 | and [uh] | 1009.0737 |
774 | DTA_int_01 | 1008.6180 | [<laugh>] | 1009.2160 |
775 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1009.3605 | I had a most uncomfortable ride all the way home. | 1011.9905 |
777 | | 1012.6013 | Well, | 1013.0040 |
779 | | 1013.2969 | <laugh> | 1013.6509 |
781 | | 1014.2184 | it was mostly the girls in the back, you see. | 1016.7650 |
782 | DTA_int_01 | 1016.9054 | [<laugh>] | 1017.5618 |
783 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1017.0640 | [And so] that's why I say I learned the lessons of- of ladies [first from then] on, I'd step back and let them get on [first.] | 1024.1914 |
784 | DTA_int_01 | 1020.8130 | [<laugh>] | 1021.4283 |
786 | | 1024.0468 | [<laugh>] | 1024.5262 |
787 | | 1025.8219 | Um. | 1026.1849 |
789 | | 1026.4656 | Did you ever have a teacher that yelled a lot in class? | 1028.7794 |
790 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1029.7785 | No. | 1030.0958 |
791 | DTA_int_01 | 1030.7472 | Mm-hm. | 1030.9333 |
792 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1031.3236 | No, I never did. | 1032.1840 |
793 | DTA_int_01 | 1032.8553 | Who was the best teacher that you ever had? | 1034.4418 |
794 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1036.0386 | Chemistry teacher. | 1036.9845 |
795 | DTA_int_01 | 1037.6390 | What was it about | 1038.2988 |
797 | | 1038.6070 | this person that | 1039.3246 |
799 | | 1040.3618 | you liked? | 1040.8044 |
800 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1041.3780 | <ts> | 1041.4726 |
802 | | 1043.5656 | Well, she was um | 1045.2439 |
804 | | 1049.1849 | I would say she was quietly persistent. | 1051.5800 |
806 | | 1052.6571 | Uh. | 1053.4443 |
808 | | 1054.1910 | She tried to get the subject across | 1057.0071 |
810 | | 1057.6377 | uh, not by any forceful means, but | 1061.2611 |
812 | | 1062.1642 | by | 1062.5120 |
814 | | 1063.1773 | /uh/ satisfying herself that the students knew | 1066.3919 |
816 | | 1067.1812 | w- | 1067.3314 |
818 | | 1067.5022 | the theory. And knew what the problem was and | 1071.2095 |
820 | | 1071.5878 | how to go about solving these uh | 1074.1459 |
822 | | 1074.4449 | chemical problems. | 1075.6714 |
824 | | 1076.5379 | And the encouragement | 1078.4835 |
826 | | 1078.7459 | that she gave to the students | 1080.6314 |
828 | | 1081.1312 | uh along the way. | 1082.7605 |
830 | | 1083.6026 | In high school an adolescent age, a- age of uncertainty, | 1087.3081 |
832 | | 1088.8459 | uh, | 1089.4195 |
834 | | 1090.7832 | a bad mark | 1091.7795 |
836 | | 1091.9976 | or so | 1092.6749 |
838 | | 1093.0715 | a dispute | 1094.0159 |
840 | | 1094.2676 | anything could | 1095.2760 |
842 | | 1095.5865 | throw you off pretty far. | 1097.1425 |
844 | | 1097.5835 | And uh she was a person that you could talk to | 1100.7344 |
846 | | 1101.4911 | and uh, you could explain your problem to her in confidence and- uh, and- | 1107.5118 |
848 | | 1108.7476 | with the feeling that she would understand. | 1110.7247 |
849 | DTA_int_01 | 1110.8956 | Mm-hm. | 1111.1397 |
850 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1111.8744 | She was a most remarkable person. | 1113.6493 |
851 | DTA_int_01 | 1116.2083 | Uh. | 1116.5087 |
853 | | 1117.3799 | Was there ever a teacher that | 1118.3989 |
855 | | 1119.1434 | um probably had a hard time getting along with students? | 1121.4561 |
857 | | 1121.9893 | Or vice-versa. | 1122.7796 |
859 | | 1123.1304 | <laugh> | 1123.4355 |
861 | | 1125.4601 | That you can remember? | 1126.0986 |
862 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1128.6053 | You mean getting- uh, getting along with the students in general? | 1131.8176 |
863 | DTA_int_01 | 1131.9762 | Yeah. | 1132.2134 |
865 | | 1132.4423 | Mm-hm. | 1132.6305 |
866 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1133.5214 | No, uh. | 1135.0347 |
868 | | 1135.3536 | Y- you're speaking of what? High school? | 1137.3986 |
869 | DTA_int_01 | 1137.3925 | Well, yeah. Well | 1138.2651 |
870 | | 1138.6512 | all the way through. | 1139.3147 |
871 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1141.6449 | I'm trying to- I'm trying to think of one who- who didn't. | 1144.7326 |
872 | DTA_int_01 | 1144.9035 | Uh-huh. | 1145.1414 |
873 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1145.3977 | But i- it's kind of hard | 1147.1909 |
875 | | 1147.8812 | because | 1148.6257 |
877 | | 1150.7920 | all of the time that I was in school, I went to parochial school. | 1154.3997 |
878 | DTA_int_01 | 1154.4211 | Mm-hm. | 1154.6071 |
879 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1155.3109 | And the theory there was, uh, | 1158.0557 |
881 | | 1158.7385 | that | 1159.1398 |
883 | | 1159.3610 | you had to measure up | 1161.0268 |
885 | | 1161.2892 | to the school. | 1162.2412 |
886 | DTA_int_01 | 1162.4303 | Mm-hm. | 1162.7049 |
887 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1163.0553 | And uh | 1163.9889 |
889 | | 1164.3510 | while there were those | 1166.1656 |
891 | | 1166.2968 | pranksters in the school who | 1168.1954 |
893 | | 1168.4675 | got into trouble, | 1169.5415 |
895 | | 1170.0256 | by and large, | 1171.4658 |
897 | | 1171.6915 | the student body | 1173.0157 |
899 | | 1173.6155 | even from the grade schools up | 1175.4339 |
901 | | 1176.1628 | were- were | 1176.9683 |
903 | | 1177.0903 | serious about their | 1178.4755 |
905 | | 1178.6816 | about their studies. | 1179.6458 |
906 | DTA_int_01 | 1179.7495 | Mm-hm. | 1180.0668 |
907 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1180.3400 | And uh | 1181.3011 |
909 | | 1182.5177 | w- | 1182.6630 |
911 | | 1182.8277 | there wasn't this- um, this battle between the- | 1186.3509 |
913 | | 1187.0343 | the, uh, parent | 1188.4561 |
915 | | 1188.9928 | and the teacher | 1190.0119 |
917 | | 1190.2072 | or the student and the teacher | 1192.1782 |
919 | | 1192.6698 | that you find | 1193.9635 |
921 | | 1194.3465 | so prevalent today. | 1195.7026 |
923 | | 1196.2534 | The- | 1196.7050 |
925 | | 1197.6264 | the school | 1198.6577 |
927 | | 1198.9279 | exercised an authority over the children while they were in attendance. | 1203.7906 |
928 | DTA_int_01 | 1203.7967 | Mm-hm. | 1204.0591 |
929 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1204.3520 | And the parents | 1205.7067 |
931 | | 1205.9147 | reinforced the authority of the school | 1208.7949 |
933 | | 1209.3814 | so that, | 1209.9794 |
935 | | 1210.4981 | uh, the | 1211.4215 |
937 | | 1211.7937 | pupil was left without | 1213.4901 |
939 | | 1213.7281 | too much choice, but to | 1215.3268 |
941 | | 1215.8591 | to do it right. | 1216.7256 |
942 | DTA_int_01 | 1216.9575 | Mm-hm. | 1217.2565 |
943 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1217.6410 | So that, | 1218.3793 |
945 | | 1218.6870 | uh, | 1219.2545 |
947 | | 1219.4498 | while there may have been | 1220.9754 |
949 | | 1221.8602 | instances of | 1223.0533 |
951 | | 1223.1875 | disagreement or unpleasantness, | 1225.5735 |
953 | | 1225.8664 | uh, they were of such a nature that | 1228.6529 |
955 | | 1228.9519 | they passed and i- you couldn't recall them if you tried. | 1232.4359 |
956 | DTA_int_01 | 1232.7654 | Mm-hm. | 1233.0217 |
957 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1233.4736 | It's just like that. | 1234.4740 |
958 | DTA_int_01 | 1234.6936 | Mm-hm. | 1234.9194 |
960 | | 1235.5296 | That's good. | 1236.0211 |
962 | | 1237.0218 | Um. | 1237.3433 |
964 | | 1237.5874 | Who was this smartest | 1238.3594 |
966 | | 1238.7249 | kid | 1238.9934 |
968 | | 1239.3839 | i- let's say in your senior class. | 1240.9709 |
970 | | 1241.0813 | /inaudible/ | 1241.5759 |
971 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1241.8097 | <ts> | 1241.9135 |
973 | | 1242.0442 | Oh that's easy, his name was, uh, /RD-NAME-5/. | 1246.3048 |
974 | DTA_int_01 | 1246.7426 | Uh-huh, what- what was there so- | 1248.5454 |
976 | | 1249.2159 | well why did everybody respect him or | 1250.9177 |
978 | | 1251.6377 | how was he uh so far ahead of the other people /uh/? | 1254.2393 |
979 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1255.3011 | Really, uh, I don't know, he was a regular guy, he played basketball, he played football. | 1261.1335 |
980 | DTA_int_01 | 1261.4203 | Uh-huh. | 1261.6582 |
981 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1262.0488 | He did all of the other things, he went to dances and so forth. | 1265.7999 |
983 | | 1267.0071 | But he got straight A's. | 1268.8927 |
984 | DTA_int_01 | 1269.0452 | Mm. | 1269.2344 |
985 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1269.7287 | He was the um | 1270.9714 |
987 | | 1272.5823 | outstanding freshman in college, we went through college together. | 1275.9176 |
988 | DTA_int_01 | 1276.0515 | Mm-hm. | 1276.2648 |
989 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1276.7624 | And um | 1277.7625 |
991 | | 1277.9578 | he, uh, graduated from college with honors. | 1281.1513 |
993 | | 1281.6456 | /I'll let you-/ I mean, | 1282.4389 |
995 | | 1283.2322 | and it never appeared | 1285.4936 |
997 | | 1285.7703 | that he was | 1287.0944 |
999 | | 1288.0036 | stretching himself out | 1289.6366 |
1000 | DTA_int_01 | 1289.7220 | Mm-hm. | 1289.9844 |
1001 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1290.2600 | to- to make these. He- he was always relaxed. | 1293.2158 |
1003 | | 1293.7276 | And uh | 1294.6795 |
1005 | | 1295.4667 | friendly and | 1296.2356 |
1007 | | 1296.4126 | so forth. | 1297.0106 |
1009 | | 1297.6739 | Uh. I mean he wasn't the type of person who was working to make himself a- | 1301.9044 |
1011 | | 1302.0936 | a- an outstanding student. It just came to him. | 1305.0688 |
1012 | DTA_int_01 | 1305.2793 | Mm-hm. | 1305.4319 |
1014 | | 1307.9645 | Uh. | 1308.1872 |
1016 | | 1308.5320 | What about | 1308.9957 |
1018 | | 1309.1422 | uh, a person who maybe had the hardest time? | 1311.4170 |
1020 | | 1313.2062 | I don't know, do you want to call him the dumbest person but. <laugh> | 1315.4029 |
1021 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1315.8744 | [Mm-hm.] | 1316.4488 |
1022 | DTA_int_01 | 1316.0910 | [The] pers- | 1316.5029 |
1023 | | 1316.6585 | the fellow probably had the hardest | 1317.9980 |
1024 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1318.1306 | [Well,] | 1318.8518 |
1025 | DTA_int_01 | 1318.1730 | [or girl] I don't know. | 1319.1954 |
1026 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1319.1203 | there was a girl | 1320.2309 |
1027 | | 1320.6332 | uh, who did. She had- she had a very difficult time in- in- in high school. | 1325.4295 |
1028 | DTA_int_01 | 1325.5516 | Mm-hm. | 1325.7713 |
1029 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1326.3632 | Uh. | 1327.1443 |
1031 | | 1327.5123 | And I remember her very well because sh- | 1329.9350 |
1033 | | 1330.2319 | she walked ahead of me in the graduation line | 1333.9969 |
1035 | | 1334.1251 | in college. | 1335.0378 |
1036 | DTA_int_01 | 1335.4710 | Mm-hm. | 1335.6907 |
1037 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1335.9029 | And uh | 1336.8684 |
1039 | | 1337.7532 | she was a- a very | 1339.0978 |
1041 | | 1339.6165 | lovely person. | 1340.8979 |
1043 | | 1341.3215 | She was | 1341.9073 |
1045 | | 1342.6579 | generous and outgoing | 1344.3110 |
1047 | | 1345.1470 | but she wasn't | 1346.5078 |
1049 | | 1346.8763 | pretty. | 1347.3950 |
1050 | DTA_int_01 | 1347.6688 | Mm-hm. | 1347.8244 |
1051 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1348.0861 | And | 1348.6825 |
1053 | | 1349.4195 | she was | 1349.9412 |
1055 | | 1350.2132 | a little clumsy. | 1351.5820 |
1057 | | 1352.8706 | And everybody made extra room for her | 1356.2376 |
1059 | | 1357.2717 | when she was around. I mean | 1358.4555 |
1061 | | 1358.8298 | the- the- while there may have been personal opinions, | 1362.7657 |
1062 | DTA_int_01 | 1363.0649 | Mm-hm. | 1363.2663 |
1063 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1363.3090 | about her brightness, | 1365.0664 |
1065 | | 1365.5058 | about her clumsiness, and about her appearance, | 1368.4502 |
1067 | | 1369.0787 | I- I never as- as long as I could recall, | 1372.6936 |
1069 | | 1373.2289 | anyone ever making her feel unwelcomed or, | 1377.5030 |
1071 | | 1378.0799 | uh, in any way | 1379.4612 |
1073 | | 1379.6626 | different than the other ch- | 1380.9380 |
1074 | DTA_int_01 | 1381.2126 | [Mm-hm.] | 1381.4688 |
1075 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1381.2248 | [children.] | 1381.7739 |
1076 | | 1382.8784 | Um. | 1383.5802 |
1078 | | 1384.4801 | She graduated from high school | 1386.4083 |
1080 | | 1387.0208 | uh | 1387.7774 |
1082 | | 1388.1510 | as I said | 1388.8893 |
1084 | | 1389.5178 | but uh | 1390.3416 |
1086 | | 1391.0207 | she's one that I'll always remember | 1392.9816 |
1088 | | 1393.0823 | from that end, I- my personal opinion was that | 1396.3915 |
1090 | | 1396.5684 | she wasn't very bright. | 1398.1766 |
1091 | DTA_int_01 | 1398.3048 | Mm-hm. | 1398.5427 |
1093 | | 1400.4968 | Um. | 1400.8338 |
1095 | | 1401.0046 | W- what about /n-/ | 1401.9444 |
1097 | | 1402.2129 | who would be some people | 1403.2075 |
1099 | | 1403.7169 | maybe uh, in this- the class that | 1405.9502 |
1101 | | 1406.8769 | would hold | 1407.4200 |
1103 | | 1409.0150 | uh, less respect? | 1410.0463 |
1105 | | 1410.1974 | S- let's say from the other students. | 1411.5901 |
1107 | | 1412.4735 | Uh. | 1412.7619 |
1109 | | 1414.2695 | Why would- wha- what would cause | 1415.5119 |
1111 | | 1415.8231 | the other students to lose respect for a person in the class? | 1418.6810 |
1112 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1419.5353 | Well, one thing | 1420.7390 |
1114 | | 1421.6733 | uh was the- the tendency on the part of the boys to, um, | 1425.5115 |
1116 | | 1426.7916 | gamble. | 1427.2676 |
1117 | DTA_int_01 | 1427.6215 | Mm-hm. | 1427.8595 |
1118 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1428.5308 | Uh. It wasn't a- a big kind of gambling, it was a | 1431.7482 |
1120 | | 1431.8520 | matching pennies, do you know how the game [goes?] | 1434.2571 |
1121 | DTA_int_01 | 1434.0741 | [Yeah.] | 1434.3029 |
1122 | | 1434.5844 | [Yeah.] | 1434.7759 |
1123 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1434.7240 | [Well,] | 1435.0969 |
1124 | | 1435.5729 | uh, there were a group of boys around who | 1438.7220 |
1126 | | 1439.2468 | who | 1439.5519 |
1128 | | 1440.2720 | m- frequently | 1441.1690 |
1130 | | 1441.6116 | would have a handful of pennies and they might be at the back of the classroom, uh, matching pennies, something like that. | 1448.2135 |
1132 | | 1449.0207 | Uh, | 1449.8079 |
1134 | | 1450.3191 | profanity was a- another thing that, um, | 1453.3641 |
1136 | | 1453.6861 | sort of separated some I mean, if a person were inclined towards profanity, they- | 1458.7793 |
1138 | | 1459.3834 | they weren't as- as well received as the others. | 1462.0112 |
1139 | DTA_int_01 | 1462.0783 | Mm-hm. | 1462.3041 |
1140 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1462.7983 | Um. | 1463.4940 |
1142 | | 1465.4084 | /Uh/ strangely enough, the drinking | 1467.3427 |
1144 | | 1467.7128 | wasn't the thing that separated the friendlies from the unfriendlies because | 1471.8414 |
1146 | | 1472.4089 | at that time, uh, there was no rule about, uh, being twenty-one and, uh, | 1478.2122 |
1148 | | 1478.7615 | <ts> all of us drank. One | 1480.6837 |
1150 | | 1481.1899 | of the fellows | 1482.1113 |
1152 | | 1482.4714 | had an uncle | 1483.4965 |
1154 | | 1483.9596 | I think it was his uncle, it may have been his father who owned a tavern. | 1488.1640 |
1155 | DTA_int_01 | 1488.3470 | Mm-hm. | 1488.6643 |
1156 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1489.1668 | And uh | 1490.1675 |
1158 | | 1491.3819 | we | 1491.8380 |
1160 | | 1492.3669 | I know on one occasion, we had a class play | 1495.3060 |
1162 | | 1495.8002 | and after the play was over, | 1497.6265 |
1164 | | 1497.7486 | uh and we were in this | 1499.2485 |
1166 | | 1499.5170 | celebrating mood | 1500.8716 |
1168 | | 1501.9130 | somehow he went | 1503.5250 |
1170 | | 1503.6810 | to this place and opened the tavern up and we had the [place to ourselves] and we had a singing ball. | 1509.1749 |
1171 | DTA_int_01 | 1506.6361 | [<laugh>] | 1507.2463 |
1172 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1510.7141 | Um. | 1511.4650 |
1174 | | 1511.6908 | That's where I learned the song, uh, Schnitzelbank song. | 1515.1491 |
1175 | DTA_int_01 | 1515.2498 | Oh. | 1515.5366 |
1177 | | 1517.6777 | <laugh> | 1518.3954 |
1179 | | 1520.1189 | Um, let's see, in | 1521.3150 |
1181 | | 1521.9207 | five minutes | 1522.8502 |
1183 | | 1523.0821 | what time will it be? | 1524.0219 |
1185 | | 1524.6260 | how | 1524.8579 |
1187 | | 1525.1462 | [/inaudible/] | 1525.4940 |
1188 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1525.2667 | [In five] minutes, it will be, uh, seven- six forty five. | 1530.7983 |
1189 | DTA_int_01 | 1530.8363 | Uh-huh. | 1531.0621 |
1191 | | 1531.2574 | [Would you say] it any other way? With like- with a quarter? | 1533.3242 |
1192 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1531.2651 | [Uh-huh.] | 1531.5786 |
1193 | | 1533.4279 | Yeah, oh, you could say it'll be a quarter to seven. | 1535.9908 |
1194 | DTA_int_01 | 1536.1739 | Uh. | 1536.3281 |
1195 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1536.4490 | [/?/] | 1536.8152 |
1196 | DTA_int_01 | 1536.4490 | [Okay.] | 1536.6851 |
1197 | | 1537.4559 | Yeah. Some people say quarter of or | 1538.8893 |
1199 | | 1539.0363 | [quarter til so] we want to get that | 1540.4111 |
1200 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1539.0747 | [Mm-hm.] | 1539.6788 |
1201 | DTA_int_01 | 1540.6308 | variation. | 1541.0762 |
1203 | | 1542.1362 | Um, | 1542.4718 |
1205 | | 1543.2529 | is there a | 1544.3269 |
1207 | | 1545.5786 | well, a group of people that you're probably quite close to now? | 1548.7612 |
1209 | | 1549.1639 | Uh. Maybe you do things together, maybe you get together for an evening. | 1551.7817 |
1210 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1551.9275 | Yes. | 1552.5072 |
1211 | DTA_int_01 | 1552.9587 | And, | 1553.3310 |
1213 | | 1553.8375 | uh, | 1554.1060 |
1215 | | 1554.5697 | are these people who- uh, | 1555.4606 |
1217 | | 1556.0830 | well, | 1556.3882 |
1219 | | 1557.5080 | are the same occupation as you or w- | 1559.2743 |
1221 | | 1559.4970 | w- tell me a little bit about them. | 1560.6985 |
1222 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1561.8660 | Well, um. | 1563.0076 |
1224 | | 1564.6735 | One man uh works for the same concern that I work for. | 1568.4756 |
1225 | DTA_int_01 | 1568.5244 | Mm-hm. | 1568.7382 |
1226 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1569.0006 | He's in a different, uh, | 1570.4468 |
1228 | | 1571.2998 | location | 1572.0869 |
1229 | DTA_int_01 | 1572.3981 | Mm-hm. | 1572.5873 |
1230 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1572.6727 | but he works in the same business. | 1574.8406 |
1232 | | 1575.5058 | Uh. | 1575.9512 |
1234 | | 1577.0496 | There are | 1578.1053 |
1236 | | 1580.6507 | let's see, | 1581.2624 |
1238 | | 1585.2407 | three | 1585.6923 |
1240 | | 1585.9120 | school teachers | 1586.9554 |
1242 | | 1588.7828 | and one | 1589.7738 |
1244 | | 1589.9996 | accountant. | 1590.9332 |
1246 | | 1593.3008 | And one recreation director. | 1595.5236 |
1248 | | 1597.4161 | Well, no, he dropped out of this group, but I mean, he was part of the group for a long time. | 1602.0904 |
1249 | DTA_int_01 | 1602.3751 | Mm-hm. | 1602.5886 |
1250 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1603.1073 | Um. | 1603.8335 |
1252 | | 1606.2843 | Social workers | 1607.4620 |
1254 | | 1607.9168 | <ts> like that. | 1608.6063 |
1255 | DTA_int_01 | 1608.8626 | Mm-hm. | 1609.0884 |
1256 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1609.3996 | Now, uh | 1610.3942 |
1258 | | 1611.0247 | you said tell you a little about each of [them?] | 1613.2043 |
1259 | DTA_int_01 | 1612.8513 | [Well, just] | 1613.3173 |
1260 | | 1613.5019 | uh, maybe | 1614.1441 |
1262 | | 1614.2341 | what are some of your- | 1615.0355 |
1264 | | 1615.1530 | what are some of the things that you do together? | 1616.6835 |
1265 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1616.9741 | Well, | 1617.2571 |
1267 | | 1617.6454 | W- uh this club meets once a month during the, uh, | 1621.7555 |
1269 | | 1621.8898 | winter time, that is from, um, | 1623.9646 |
1271 | | 1624.2392 | September to May. | 1626.2773 |
1273 | | 1626.9974 | And we play bridge. | 1628.1775 |
1274 | DTA_int_01 | 1628.3788 | Hm. | 1628.5802 |
1275 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1629.0684 | First we have dinner. | 1630.8990 |
1277 | | 1631.3642 | Then we play bridge. | 1632.6335 |
1279 | | 1633.1084 | And, uh, | 1633.9513 |
1281 | | 1634.2190 | there's | 1634.8421 |
1283 | | 1635.0618 | usually | 1635.7811 |
1285 | | 1636.9862 | some drinks | 1638.2638 |
1286 | DTA_int_01 | 1638.5819 | Mm-hm. | 1638.8260 |
1287 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1638.8345 | I have a bourbon, scotch, and | 1640.9703 |
1289 | | 1641.7814 | uh | 1642.5910 |
1291 | | 1643.9756 | and the mixes. | 1644.9763 |
1293 | | 1645.1899 | It's usually those two drinks. | 1647.1245 |
1294 | DTA_int_01 | 1647.3258 | Mm-hm. | 1647.5760 |
1295 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1647.8567 | Um. | 1648.5829 |
1297 | | 1650.5411 | The- the uh, excuse for getting together, of course, is playing bridge, now | 1655.0588 |
1298 | DTA_int_01 | 1655.0457 | Hm. | 1655.2550 |
1299 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1655.3944 | we've been playing for five or six years | 1658.1885 |
1301 | | 1658.9093 | continually. | 1659.7567 |
1303 | | 1660.7625 | But, um, | 1661.6840 |
1305 | | 1663.3865 | we're not serious bridge players in that uh, | 1666.7473 |
1307 | | 1666.8843 | uh, | 1667.3865 |
1309 | | 1667.4703 | we- we play an informal type of bridge, I mean, just for the fun of it. | 1671.5078 |
1311 | | 1672.0997 | And, um, | 1672.9418 |
1312 | DTA_int_01 | 1673.2125 | A lot of good talk and, | 1674.1967 |
1314 | | 1674.7259 | [/inaudible/] | 1675.4299 |
1315 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1674.8855 | [Well yes], i- the game get's uh, get's a little- you get a little concentrated on it after | 1680.4297 |
1316 | | 1680.6554 | you know, the first | 1681.2164 |
1318 | | 1681.9188 | rubber. | 1682.4741 |
1320 | | 1682.8233 | But uh, i- it's not a, uh, vindictive kind of bridge [playing, I mean] if a person makes a mistake, uh it's- it doesn't matter. | 1691.7292 |
1321 | DTA_int_01 | 1687.2562 | [<laugh>] | 1687.9281 |
1322 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1691.9855 | Uh. Then at the end of the evening, | 1694.1634 |
1324 | | 1694.6577 | uh, the scores are counted and | 1696.5804 |
1326 | | 1696.7451 | the prizes are awarded to the two | 1698.8809 |
1328 | | 1699.5638 | with the highest [scores.] | 1700.9384 |
1329 | DTA_int_01 | 1700.8987 | [Hm.] | 1701.1076 |
1330 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1701.4737 | And then we | 1702.4562 |
1332 | | 1702.6988 | say good night and | 1703.7178 |
1334 | | 1705.1885 | we don't, uh, usually see these people | 1708.2612 |
1336 | | 1708.5114 | between | 1709.2986 |
1338 | | 1709.5244 | times except the one man that I might run into on the job, or maybe | 1713.4539 |
1340 | | 1713.7651 | on the street or | 1714.9855 |
1342 | | 1715.4615 | uh, at some other gathering, but | 1717.3790 |
1344 | | 1717.8550 | t- uh | 1718.1205 |
1346 | | 1718.3097 | we- we don't continue the relationship | 1721.1350 |
1348 | | 1721.3974 | between | 1722.1846 |
1350 | | 1722.5751 | the times that we meet, and we meet at um | 1725.7662 |
1352 | | 1726.0224 | each person's house in rotation. | 1728.0160 |
1354 | | 1728.3028 | And uh, the club has to have uh, | 1730.8474 |
1356 | | 1731.2976 | I mean the people have to be | 1732.5094 |
1358 | | 1732.8328 | couples, | 1733.4782 |
1360 | | 1733.5637 | [married] couples because they- um, | 1735.7823 |
1361 | DTA_int_01 | 1733.5637 | [Oh.] | 1733.8921 |
1362 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1736.3939 | they, uh, | 1737.1201 |
1364 | | 1737.3895 | make up the number of tables that we need. | 1740.3383 |
1366 | | 1740.7960 | And if, uh, one person is without a- | 1743.3909 |
1368 | | 1743.7143 | a partner, then that uh | 1745.4473 |
1370 | | 1745.9294 | leaves them short, you see. So | 1747.7490 |
1372 | | 1748.1639 | the- the club is- is composed of all couples. | 1750.9160 |
1373 | DTA_int_01 | 1751.2900 | Oh, I see. | 1751.7264 |
1375 | | 1752.3097 | Are they um | 1752.9803 |
1377 | | 1753.2397 | mostly your age? | 1754.2746 |
1379 | | 1754.6591 | Uh, | 1754.8849 |
1380 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1755.2571 | [Yes. Uh. M-] very close. | 1757.7698 |
1381 | DTA_int_01 | 1755.2571 | [or what? older, younger, or?] | 1756.5951 |
1382 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1758.0292 | The ages are very close. | 1759.5980 |
1383 | DTA_int_01 | 1760.3877 | Uh. What about, do any of the people in the group speak other languages like | 1763.7747 |
1385 | | 1764.2141 | well, Polish or Hungarian or | 1765.8312 |
1387 | | 1766.3987 | languages like this? | 1767.1313 |
1388 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1767.5459 | [No.] | 1768.0411 |
1389 | DTA_int_01 | 1767.9795 | [German?] | 1768.3808 |
1390 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1768.6920 | Uh. A- As a matter of fact, | 1770.1765 |
1392 | | 1770.9071 | I would suspect that, uh, | 1772.7095 |
1394 | | 1773.2495 | mm, several of them or most of them have studied a foreign language. But uh | 1777.8688 |
1396 | | 1778.1673 | i- we don't speak it or they don't speak it even uh in- in other | 1782.6670 |
1398 | | 1782.8378 | occasions. | 1783.6677 |
1400 | | 1784.4237 | So that, um, | 1785.5221 |
1402 | | 1785.8455 | I doubt whether, uh, | 1787.3283 |
1404 | | 1788.5583 | I could put my finger on | 1790.0842 |
1406 | | 1790.3683 | what language any of them | 1792.0891 |
1408 | | 1792.4065 | uh would be proficient in. | 1793.9747 |
1409 | DTA_int_01 | 1794.1827 | I see. | 1794.5916 |
1411 | | 1794.8295 | Let n- uh. For example the | 1796.2210 |
1413 | | 1796.8861 | uh | 1797.3009 |
1415 | | 1797.9296 | m- like over in Hamtramck, there's a- | 1799.9372 |
1417 | | 1800.2179 | there are Polish | 1800.9684 |
1419 | | 1801.1515 | [you know] that | 1801.8382 |
1420 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1801.1547 | [Mm-hm.] | 1801.6856 |
1421 | DTA_int_01 | 1802.0396 | speak m- it natively. | 1803.3553 |
1423 | | 1804.0378 | I was [thinking more] i- in this sense, you know, where they speak another language natively. | 1807.8910 |
1424 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1804.1488 | [Mm-hm.] | 1804.5577 |
1425 | | 1808.6705 | <ts> | 1808.7498 |
1427 | | 1808.8823 | No. | 1809.5291 |
1428 | DTA_int_01 | 1809.7610 | Oh, okay. | 1810.4828 |
1430 | | 1810.7635 | Um. Are there any, uh, | 1811.9883 |
1432 | | 1812.2019 | like Jewish people or other white people in the group at all? | 1815.2134 |
1433 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1815.3721 | No. | 1815.9376 |
1434 | DTA_int_01 | 1816.1694 | Uh-huh. | 1816.5050 |
1436 | | 1817.0725 | Um. | 1817.4448 |
1438 | | 1817.8475 | In- | 1818.4028 |
1440 | | 1818.6713 | in this group, is there's one person that | 1820.4618 |
1442 | | 1820.8096 | everyone kind of uh, looks to for leadership? | 1823.5131 |
1444 | | 1824.0196 | or maybe it isn't that type of group that you would have, you know, one | 1827.3941 |
1446 | | 1827.8440 | uh, leader or a president or something like this? | 1829.9110 |
1447 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1830.3931 | Well, we- we don't have uh, we don't have any formal organization. | 1833.7562 |
1448 | DTA_int_01 | 1834.0796 | [Mm-hm.] | 1834.4153 |
1449 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1834.2078 | [And] uh suggestions are thrown around | 1837.2071 |
1450 | | 1837.6770 | right and left. | 1838.6106 |
1452 | | 1838.8059 | [Uh.] Anyone can come in with a suggestion. | 1841.4566 |
1453 | DTA_int_01 | 1838.8059 | [Hm.] | 1839.1627 |
1454 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1841.9082 | And uh, the others consider it, now I don't think that there's | 1845.5429 |
1456 | | 1845.9030 | any one person in the group who is uh, listened to more than uh any other person. | 1851.6073 |
1457 | DTA_int_01 | 1851.7294 | Hm. | 1851.9490 |
1458 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1852.6934 | It's- it's a very democratic relaxed [group of] people. I- I- I enjoy being with them. | 1858.0999 |
1459 | DTA_int_01 | 1854.8996 | [<laugh>] | 1855.3916 |
1460 | | 1858.3867 | Uh-huh. | 1858.6393 |
1461 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1858.7675 | It's- it's one of, uh, my uh, | 1861.3548 |
1463 | | 1861.8918 | best social outlets because uh, | 1864.0628 |
1465 | | 1864.9893 | uh, in all the time that we've been | 1866.9664 |
1467 | | 1867.8634 | together, | 1868.6689 |
1469 | | 1869.1684 | uh | 1869.9372 |
1471 | | 1870.1630 | w- we- we've had a closer | 1872.5063 |
1473 | | 1873.0404 | friendship for the time that we | 1875.2982 |
1475 | | 1875.5850 | were together | 1876.5639 |
1476 | DTA_int_01 | 1876.5145 | Mm-hm. | 1876.7922 |
1477 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1877.0861 | than uh, any other group I've ever been in. And, uh, | 1880.1042 |
1479 | | 1880.8670 | while we don't | 1881.6280 |
1481 | | 1881.7382 | p- get together with, um, | 1883.8117 |
1483 | | 1884.0244 | these people between times, still | 1886.5510 |
1485 | | 1886.8317 | we do feel a closeness to them anyways. | 1889.1506 |
1486 | DTA_int_01 | 1889.1506 | Mm. | 1889.3398 |
1488 | | 1889.8798 | Good. | 1890.2413 |
1490 | | 1891.4572 | Um. | 1891.8599 |
1492 | | 1892.8463 | When you were in, uh, | 1893.7861 |
1494 | | 1894.3190 | well, let's say in high school, | 1895.5029 |
1496 | | 1896.1741 | uh, | 1896.5524 |
1498 | | 1897.8278 | what did you want to be | 1898.7982 |
1500 | | 1898.9386 | when you uh | 1899.6159 |
1502 | | 1899.8865 | got out of school, like finished college and so forth. Did you have an idea of what you were aiming towards? | 1904.1952 |
1503 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1905.6628 | Yes, | 1906.5525 |
1505 | | 1906.6857 | um, | 1907.6704 |
1507 | | 1907.9694 | I had the idea to be a- uh, a | 1910.9303 |
1509 | | 1911.2232 | a social worker [in high] school. I- uh, | 1913.9386 |
1510 | DTA_int_01 | 1912.3340 | [Mm-hm.] | 1912.6025 |
1511 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1914.1583 | I think that, uh, | 1915.3671 |
1513 | | 1915.8809 | the | 1916.3739 |
1515 | | 1918.1275 | m- my inclination was | 1920.0525 |
1517 | | 1920.3393 | in that direction. | 1921.5890 |
1519 | | 1921.9551 | Uh, | 1922.5228 |
1521 | | 1922.6571 | particularly because of the surroundings that, uh, I lived in. | 1927.0717 |
1522 | DTA_int_01 | 1927.2974 | Uh-huh. | 1927.5049 |
1523 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1927.6025 | Um. | 1928.2372 |
1525 | | 1928.8596 | The people who had the most influence on my life at that time | 1933.8486 |
1527 | | 1935.2212 | were people, | 1936.0511 |
1529 | | 1936.2402 | uh, who were altruistic. | 1938.3092 |
1531 | | 1939.1526 | Uh. | 1939.3112 |
1533 | | 1939.8846 | They um | 1940.8915 |
1535 | | 1941.7031 | were dedicated to the service of other people. | 1944.3881 |
1536 | DTA_int_01 | 1944.5833 | Mm-hm. | 1944.9106 |
1537 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1945.2041 | And I was brought up with that idea, so that | 1947.6327 |
1539 | | 1948.5051 | when I graduated from high school and went to college, I enrolled immediately in the | 1953.2027 |
1541 | | 1953.3370 | sociology courses. | 1955.0395 |
1542 | DTA_int_01 | 1955.2484 | Mm. | 1955.5338 |
1543 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1955.8569 | And, uh, a- | 1956.9553 |
1545 | | 1957.1750 | had a minor in education. | 1958.9202 |
1546 | DTA_int_01 | 1959.2163 | Mm-hm. | 1959.5019 |
1547 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1959.9816 | So that, um, | 1961.0494 |
1549 | | 1963.3561 | I | 1963.9114 |
1551 | | 1964.4256 | graduated | 1965.4584 |
1553 | | 1965.9633 | prepared to teach. | 1967.1176 |
1554 | DTA_int_01 | 1967.3190 | Mm-hm. | 1967.5448 |
1555 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1969.0041 | And, um, | 1969.9134 |
1557 | | 1970.7249 | uh, | 1971.4267 |
1559 | | 1972.3807 | so I would say that uh, I was inclined in that direction | 1975.7532 |
1561 | | 1975.9973 | from the beginning. | 1976.9858 |
1562 | DTA_int_01 | 1978.5882 | Uh. | 1978.8855 |
1564 | | 1979.5962 | Well, maybe I should ask in this way, wh- wh- what work are you engaged in now? | 1982.8060 |
1565 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1983.8379 | Well, | 1984.1796 |
1567 | | 1984.4115 | now, I'm engaged (laughing) in a- uh, in a sort of | 1987.9256 |
1569 | | 1988.0955 | social work, it's not | 1989.8234 |
1571 | | 1990.3838 | what you would call | 1991.4146 |
1573 | | 1991.5732 | social case work. | 1992.8734 |
1574 | DTA_int_01 | 1992.9584 | Mm-hm. | 1993.2025 |
1575 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 1993.8127 | But | 1994.3806 |
1577 | | 1994.6412 | I work for the, | 1995.9574 |
1579 | | 1996.1629 | um, | 1996.8685 |
1581 | | 1997.5825 | City of Detroit | 1998.7314 |
1583 | | 1999.4210 | in uh | 2000.6188 |
1585 | | 2000.7469 | the housing commission. | 2001.8882 |
1586 | DTA_int_01 | 2002.1018 | Mm. | 2002.3762 |
1587 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2002.6996 | Now, | 2003.1967 |
1589 | | 2003.5323 | the division that I'm assigned to is | 2006.4734 |
1591 | | 2006.5647 | relocation. | 2007.6346 |
1592 | DTA_int_01 | 2007.9094 | Hm. | 2008.1350 |
1593 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2008.3120 | Uh. It's our responsibility to | 2011.3079 |
1595 | | 2011.8204 | find, uh, decent, safe and sanitary | 2014.7885 |
1597 | | 2015.3499 | housing for the | 2016.8327 |
1599 | | 2017.2501 | families and individuals who are displaced | 2020.3133 |
1601 | | 2020.8860 | because of urban renewal. | 2022.5214 |
1602 | DTA_int_01 | 2022.6826 | Mm-hm. | 2022.9328 |
1603 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2023.6956 | Uh- I- I got into that, | 2026.0421 |
1605 | | 2026.5379 | uh, as a result of | 2028.3990 |
1607 | | 2028.7713 | working for the housing commission in the public housing projects. | 2032.6844 |
1608 | DTA_int_01 | 2032.6844 | Mm-hm. | 2033.0200 |
1609 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2033.2805 | Now in- in the housing projects, | 2035.4730 |
1611 | | 2035.9553 | I was a housing aid. | 2037.4442 |
1613 | | 2038.7472 | And the duties there | 2040.4863 |
1615 | | 2042.2339 | uh | 2043.1004 |
1617 | | 2043.9425 | consisted of | 2044.8761 |
1619 | | 2046.3757 | tenant relations more- more than anything | 2049.2498 |
1621 | | 2049.6830 | to- to | 2050.4098 |
1623 | | 2050.5125 | solve the problems of the tenants as they related to the management. | 2054.7707 |
1624 | DTA_int_01 | 2055.2894 | Mm-hm. | 2055.5213 |
1625 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2055.5966 | As they related to other tenants | 2057.8239 |
1627 | | 2058.2938 | and as they related to | 2060.1610 |
1629 | | 2060.4925 | other agencies, for example | 2062.6282 |
1631 | | 2063.0066 | um | 2063.5191 |
1633 | | 2063.9542 | the | 2064.3752 |
1635 | | 2064.6010 | public assistance agencies, | 2066.5720 |
1637 | | 2067.0488 | or the schools. | 2068.4794 |
1638 | DTA_int_01 | 2068.8733 | [Mm-hm.] | 2069.1235 |
1639 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2069.0991 | [And] so forth. Where- where ever, | 2070.9847 |
1640 | | 2071.5047 | uh, we could be of help | 2073.4574 |
1642 | | 2073.7930 | to the tenants | 2074.8461 |
1644 | | 2075.2244 | in solving a problem, | 2076.9086 |
1646 | | 2077.3845 | uh, we acted as liaison or as a referral | 2081.7381 |
1648 | | 2082.3788 | uh, resource to- to get the person lined up with the service they needed. | 2087.2258 |
1649 | DTA_int_01 | 2087.4943 | Mm-hm. | 2087.8421 |
1650 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2088.0435 | I, um, | 2088.9466 |
1652 | | 2089.2456 | also | 2090.0990 |
1654 | | 2090.4041 | did quite a bit of, um, | 2091.9168 |
1656 | | 2093.9427 | uh advising and homemaking, inspection- inspecting | 2097.9493 |
1658 | | 2098.3235 | units that uh the tenants occupied | 2101.2721 |
1660 | | 2101.6440 | to see that they were using the facilities properly. | 2105.0063 |
1661 | DTA_int_01 | 2105.1344 | Mm-hm. | 2105.4456 |
1662 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2105.6714 | Uh. And that they um, | 2107.7520 |
1664 | | 2108.4782 | uh knew how to take care of the equipment. | 2111.5127 |
1666 | | 2115.1309 | Um. | 2115.8204 |
1668 | | 2118.5627 | We did a lot of leasing. | 2120.1065 |
1670 | | 2120.4807 | Explaining the terms and conditions under which the | 2124.3678 |
1672 | | 2124.6363 | people were renting the homes. | 2126.3908 |
1673 | DTA_int_01 | 2126.5800 | Mm-hm. | 2126.8668 |
1674 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2127.7416 | Well, um, | 2128.8094 |
1676 | | 2130.2257 | when the urban renewal program started, they | 2132.8075 |
1678 | | 2133.0577 | looked around for people to, uh, | 2135.2901 |
1680 | | 2135.7965 | move into the | 2136.7180 |
1682 | | 2137.0780 | i- to build up the urban renewal division, and particularly relocation. | 2142.2794 |
1684 | | 2143.0649 | And, uh, | 2143.9436 |
1686 | | 2144.4789 | I started there with the supervisor, he and I were | 2147.8098 |
1688 | | 2148.4200 | uh | 2148.9905 |
1690 | | 2149.6678 | the- the first two on the staff, now he's the- | 2152.6834 |
1692 | | 2153.6841 | the- uh, | 2154.7520 |
1694 | | 2155.7161 | he's the supervisor in charge of the division and I'm his assistant and then we have | 2160.5597 |
1696 | | 2161.1272 | people who work in the various project site offices who work directly with the people. | 2166.9025 |
1697 | DTA_int_01 | 2167.2644 | Mm-hm. | 2167.5310 |
1699 | | 2169.9945 | I understand that's quite a | 2171.0013 |
1701 | | 2171.9652 | hot | 2172.2642 |
1703 | | 2173.0087 | debate going on about this | 2174.4244 |
1705 | | 2175.6236 | project done- It's been done by Wayne State? | 2177.3383 |
1706 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2177.6373 | [<ts> Yes um.] | 2178.6362 |
1707 | DTA_int_01 | 2177.7113 | [Wayne /???/] | 2178.6362 |
1708 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2178.8498 | That's [the um] | 2179.9460 |
1709 | DTA_int_01 | 2179.3502 | [/at large/?] | 2180.0885 |
1710 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2180.3487 | University City Project Number Two. | 2182.9397 |
1711 | DTA_int_01 | 2183.0617 | Hm. | 2183.2509 |
1712 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2183.6658 | The, | 2183.9648 |
1714 | | 2184.2821 | uh, first part, | 2185.7280 |
1716 | | 2185.9031 | The University City Project Number One has been cleared totally. | 2189.9654 |
1717 | DTA_int_01 | 2190.1586 | Hm. | 2190.3681 |
1718 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2190.5207 | And the- the discussion now is | 2193.1841 |
1720 | | 2193.6723 | whether or not | 2194.6857 |
1722 | | 2194.8932 | there- the city will agree | 2196.8032 |
1724 | | 2197.4353 | to have, uh, residential | 2199.5508 |
1726 | | 2199.8193 | buildings, uh, put | 2201.5279 |
1728 | | 2202.6983 | mixed in with the, uh, university use in, uh, University City Number Two. | 2207.4875 |
1729 | DTA_int_01 | 2207.6583 | Oh. | 2207.9024 |
1730 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2208.2869 | There are groups in the area who insist that, um, | 2211.3892 |
1732 | | 2212.3594 | they should do it because the housing is needed. | 2214.6368 |
1733 | DTA_int_01 | 2214.8077 | Mm-hm. | 2215.0456 |
1734 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2215.5826 | And uh | 2216.5346 |
1736 | | 2217.0716 | as I understand it, the | 2218.5366 |
1738 | | 2219.1102 | original reuse plan didn't call for very much, | 2222.0288 |
1740 | | 2222.6390 | uh, housing, especially for people not connected with the university. | 2227.0175 |
1741 | DTA_int_01 | 2227.2250 | Mm-hm. | 2227.4569 |
1742 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2228.0976 | So, um, | 2228.9886 |
1744 | | 2230.1451 | the | 2230.6577 |
1746 | | 2230.8591 | uh discussions are going on and it's my feeling that the city will concede | 2236.4772 |
1748 | | 2236.9349 | and they they will put in housing for the | 2239.6748 |
1750 | | 2240.2179 | uh displaced people and for other low income groups as well | 2245.0050 |
1751 | DTA_int_01 | 2245.1637 | Hm. | 2245.3407 |
1752 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2245.4017 | in some sections of the uh | 2247.3670 |
1753 | DTA_int_01 | 2247.4219 | It seems [pretty basic] you know, yeah. | 2249.2525 |
1754 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2247.8979 | [projects.] | 2248.3862 |
1755 | | 2249.3319 | Yeah, well, i- [it um, i- it] is, it's- it's something | 2252.8659 |
1756 | DTA_int_01 | 2250.2070 | [/Very positive/.] | 2251.1223 |
1757 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2253.2259 | that's needed, | 2253.9398 |
1759 | | 2254.3792 | uh, at this time, at the time that the project was originally conceived. | 2258.9494 |
1760 | DTA_int_01 | 2259.0709 | Mm-hm. | 2259.3410 |
1761 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2259.5169 | There was an abundance of relocation housing. | 2262.9632 |
1763 | | 2263.3781 | And uh, there was no problem really, | 2266.0827 |
1765 | | 2266.3329 | but | 2266.5830 |
1767 | | 2266.7356 | about eighteen months ago, | 2268.3954 |
1769 | | 2268.8493 | the uh, balance changed. | 2271.1560 |
1770 | DTA_int_01 | 2271.3695 | Mm. | 2271.5770 |
1771 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2271.5770 | And the housing market grew tighter. | 2274.2969 |
1772 | DTA_int_01 | 2274.5288 | Oh yeah. | 2274.9102 |
1773 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2274.8630 | And when that happened, well people began to be apprehensive as to where they were gonna move and these groups formed | 2281.3205 |
1774 | | 2281.8009 | in order to see that, uh, | 2283.6978 |
1776 | | 2284.4503 | adequate housing would be provided. | 2286.3481 |
1777 | DTA_int_01 | 2286.7307 | Hm. | 2286.9278 |
1779 | | 2289.0803 | Well, you're- | 2289.5014 |
1781 | | 2290.2703 | you have a big job on your hands huh? | 2291.7897 |
1782 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2292.4677 | Well, it's very interesting, no two days are alike. | 2295.1587 |
1783 | DTA_int_01 | 2295.2782 | Yeah. | 2295.6138 |
1785 | | 2295.7262 | /??/ | 2296.4279 |
1787 | | 2299.0017 | Um. | 2299.3922 |
1789 | | 2299.7949 | If- uh, let's say that | 2301.0642 |
1791 | | 2301.7110 | uh, that you could go | 2302.6752 |
1793 | | 2303.2175 | back to grade school again. | 2304.4304 |
1795 | | 2304.7905 | i- if you had a- to- to do it all over again, would you do anything differently? | 2308.0533 |
1797 | | 2308.8701 | Would you make any different decisions | 2310.3244 |
1799 | | 2311.1384 | about your | 2311.5228 |
1800 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2311.8524 | [Oh] my golly, /?/ (laughing) | 2313.8880 |
1801 | DTA_int_01 | 2311.8646 | [life?] | 2312.1209 |
1802 | | 2314.2114 | [<laugh>] | 2314.8644 |
1803 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2314.4921 | [I don't think] that's a fair [question.] | 2316.7194 |
1804 | DTA_int_01 | 2316.2801 | [<laugh>] | 2316.8598 |
1805 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2317.3127 | Do you really? | 2318.1253 |
1806 | DTA_int_01 | 2319.2481 | I don't know. | 2319.6569 |
1808 | | 2321.2958 | I- maybe it isn't. | 2322.1562 |
1809 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2322.5163 | Well, | 2322.7420 |
1811 | | 2323.2837 | [actually] in the light of a- of a person's experience, i- they couldn't help but say that there are certain things that they'd do differently. | 2330.3446 |
1812 | DTA_int_01 | 2323.4987 | [/?/] | 2323.7091 |
1813 | | 2330.4395 | Uh-huh. | 2330.6680 |
1815 | | 2330.9975 | Would your want to do anything different? | 2332.6657 |
1816 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2333.9209 | [Well.] | 2334.4334 |
1817 | DTA_int_01 | 2333.9209 | [/?/ That's] a better way to say it. | 2335.3183 |
1818 | | 2336.0632 | Would you want to change some things in your life? | 2338.1197 |
1819 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2338.9007 | Certainly. I- I'm certain that I would and I'd like to see the man who would, uh, would live a life and say uh, I wouldn't want to change a thing. I mean he's pretty happy. | 2348.3001 |
1820 | DTA_int_01 | 2348.5503 | Uh-huh. | 2348.7699 |
1822 | | 2351.0202 | Um. | 2351.3849 |
1824 | | 2351.5008 | Here's another one that's kind of uh | 2353.3756 |
1826 | | 2354.4572 | well, it's kind of an impossible situation, but suppose you had all the financial security that you could ever want. What would you- | 2359.6093 |
1828 | | 2359.9144 | what would you do | 2360.4256 |
1830 | | 2361.2250 | with this? | 2361.7451 |
1832 | | 2361.9944 | <laugh> | 2362.1774 |
1833 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2363.7893 | Well, in- in light of previous experiences, I would say that | 2367.6618 |
1835 | | 2368.0584 | uh, my first inclination would be to travel. | 2370.7617 |
1836 | DTA_int_01 | 2370.9691 | Mm-hm. | 2371.2111 |
1837 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2373.5771 | And, um, | 2374.5257 |
1839 | | 2376.1672 | we've discussed, uh, | 2377.4426 |
1841 | | 2378.5305 | things like this, | 2379.7570 |
1843 | | 2380.1720 | my wife and I, and, uh, | 2381.6564 |
1845 | | 2382.5229 | she's inclined to see America first | 2384.8540 |
1846 | DTA_int_01 | 2385.1829 | Mm-hm. | 2385.4392 |
1847 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2385.6145 | and uh | 2386.6413 |
1849 | | 2387.1889 | I think that there are places that I would rather see first. | 2390.3610 |
1850 | DTA_int_01 | 2390.5523 | Mm-hm. | 2390.7882 |
1851 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2391.6913 | But uh, I think that we generally agree that | 2394.7493 |
1853 | | 2395.2465 | we'd make arrangements to see as much as what there is to see as we could. | 2400.0591 |
1854 | DTA_int_01 | 2400.4278 | Mm-hm. | 2400.6536 |
1856 | | 2402.6267 | Um. | 2402.9135 |
1858 | | 2403.4641 | What do they call this part of town | 2405.0202 |
1860 | | 2405.3674 | here, that | 2406.0775 |
1862 | | 2406.5229 | you live in. Is there any special name for the neighborhood? | 2408.4939 |
1863 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2409.2594 | No, thi- this particular neighborhood | 2411.8406 |
1865 | | 2412.2800 | doesn't have a, uh, subdivision title. | 2415.3292 |
1867 | | 2416.1774 | Uh. Some of the neighborhoods | 2418.5023 |
1869 | | 2418.8684 | around here do, but, uh, | 2421.2055 |
1871 | | 2421.8097 | but this is just the- um, | 2423.8173 |
1873 | | 2425.3796 | the, uh, boulevard Dexter | 2428.0106 |
1874 | DTA_int_01 | 2428.3082 | [Mm-hm.] | 2428.6499 |
1875 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2428.3279 | [Joy Road] area. I mean, it's- it's just designated by the | 2432.3052 |
1876 | | 2432.8422 | main boundaries of the neighborhood, | 2434.7705 |
1877 | DTA_int_01 | 2435.1305 | I see. | 2435.5272 |
1879 | | 2437.4625 | Um. How large would this | 2438.9923 |
1881 | | 2439.1540 | would the neighborhood be then? | 2440.3841 |
1883 | | 2441.2522 | Um. /?/ | 2441.6611 |
1885 | | 2442.1798 | I- It probably does- | 2442.9484 |
1887 | | 2443.9616 | probably varies from individual to individual, but what- | 2445.8037 |
1889 | | 2446.3041 | what would your estimate be of boundaries? | 2448.9280 |
1890 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2449.6786 | I would say that this is about a two square mile area. | 2452.8717 |
1892 | | 2453.1218 | It's about two miles from here | 2454.9211 |
1894 | | 2455.3482 | down to, um, | 2456.5878 |
1896 | | 2456.8746 | the, uh, West Grand Boulevard. | 2458.7480 |
1898 | | 2459.3521 | And uh, it's about uh | 2461.2980 |
1900 | | 2462.2011 | two miles over to the Chrysler- uh what is that thing? | 2466.4254 |
1902 | | 2467.4689 | The Chrysler Freeway. | 2468.6827 |
1903 | DTA_int_01 | 2468.7824 | Hm. | 2469.0122 |
1904 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2469.4645 | Mm-hm. | 2469.9282 |
1906 | | 2470.8008 | [Approximately.] | 2471.5446 |
1907 | DTA_int_01 | 2470.9009 | [I-] | 2471.1420 |
1908 | | 2472.2250 | Ho- ho- and how do you say the name of the city we live in? | 2474.3120 |
1909 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2474.8123 | This is Detroit. | 2475.8367 |
1910 | DTA_int_01 | 2476.0182 | Yeah. | 2476.2257 |
1912 | | 2476.4988 | Okay. | 2476.6575 |
1914 | | 2477.7939 | That fellow there from Pennsylvania says Detroit, so [<laugh>] we get variations. [<laugh>] | 2482.6200 |
1915 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2480.4544 | [Well.] | 2480.7534 |
1917 | | 2482.0647 | [Mm-hm.] | 2482.6505 |
1918 | DTA_int_01 | 2483.8770 | Um, | 2484.2310 |
1920 | | 2484.3774 | what are the | 2485.2446 |
1922 | | 2485.5985 | large streets in Detroit? | 2487.1423 |
1923 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2488.6440 | Well, there's Woodward Avenue. | 2490.1634 |
1924 | DTA_int_01 | 2490.5678 | Mm-hm. | 2490.7631 |
1925 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2491.0604 | There's Michigan Avenue. | 2492.4316 |
1927 | | 2493.6276 | And | 2494.0792 |
1929 | | 2494.5186 | there's | 2494.9640 |
1931 | | 2495.6159 | East Jefferson. | 2496.5922 |
1933 | | 2497.7883 | Um, there's, um, | 2499.3748 |
1935 | | 2501.8017 | Gratiot. | 2502.2898 |
1937 | | 2503.6668 | And, um, | 2504.7164 |
1939 | | 2505.4106 | of course, the various mile roads. | 2507.4311 |
1940 | DTA_int_01 | 2507.5776 | Mm-hm. | 2507.8094 |
1941 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2508.4197 | And there's, um, | 2509.6584 |
1943 | | 2511.0796 | the- | 2511.2768 |
1945 | | 2511.4721 | the Grand Boulevard, East and West. | 2513.5388 |
1947 | | 2514.2311 | And there's Outer Drive, East and West. | 2516.2753 |
1949 | | 2517.0197 | Those- | 2517.5064 |
1951 | | 2517.7199 | Those are | 2518.2630 |
1953 | | 2518.5864 | the main streets. /Now/ there are | 2520.8291 |
1955 | | 2521.4806 | those sub-streets that | 2523.0000 |
1957 | | 2523.5248 | are not, uh, as wide or as heavily traveled. | 2527.4364 |
1958 | DTA_int_01 | 2527.7477 | Mm-hm. | 2527.9551 |
1959 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2528.1077 | Uh. | 2528.7484 |
1961 | | 2529.9438 | Would you like for me to name some of those? | 2531.6517 |
1962 | DTA_int_01 | 2532.0223 | Uh. | 2532.3519 |
1964 | | 2533.1818 | Well, you hit the main ones that we're lo- we're looking for | 2535.7527 |
1965 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2535.8809 | [Mm-hm.] | 2536.2958 |
1966 | DTA_int_01 | 2536.1097 | [What] about uh, the | 2537.2587 |
1967 | | 2537.8323 | large, very large arteries? | 2539.3837 |
1969 | | 2539.6687 | you mentioned one of them already | 2540.9696 |
1971 | | 2541.5585 | in an earlier | 2542.4696 |
1973 | | 2543.1469 | discussion. | 2543.6839 |
1974 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2545.3101 | I'm trying to think of which one it was. | 2546.9821 |
1975 | DTA_int_01 | 2547.6900 | Well, uh | 2548.3429 |
1977 | | 2548.9075 | for example, it comes in from Lansing. | 2550.5917 |
1978 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2552.5322 | From Lansing. | 2553.9133 |
1979 | DTA_int_01 | 2554.1307 | The very large arteries. | 2555.4121 |
1980 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2555.7477 | Grand River? | 2556.4312 |
1981 | DTA_int_01 | 2557.6036 | No, i- it would be a | 2559.2566 |
1983 | | 2559.6540 | see Grand River has two-way traffic on it. This is, | 2561.8347 |
1985 | | 2561.9995 | you know, separated and | 2563.0127 |
1987 | | 2564.3406 | four lanes going each way from- | 2566.1975 |
1989 | | 2567.2563 | there are multiple lanes on it. | 2568.4647 |
1990 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2568.7879 | Wait a minute now. I- you're- you're asking me for a word and I'm trying to give it to you to see if I can | 2573.7238 |
1992 | | 2574.2129 | recall. From Lansing. | 2575.7808 |
1994 | | 2577.3854 | Hm. | 2577.6844 |
1996 | | 2580.6011 | By grams, I can't think of it. | 2582.4376 |
1998 | | 2582.9390 | I'm sorry. | 2583.5568 |
1999 | DTA_int_01 | 2583.9167 | Well you- th- | 2584.5446 |
2001 | | 2584.9052 | some people call them highways. | 2586.1340 |
2003 | | 2586.6283 | And uh, some of them call them [freeways.] | 2588.5749 |
2004 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2588.3979 | [Northwestern?] | 2589.1851 |
2005 | DTA_int_01 | 2590.8291 | Yeah, well that too. | 2592.2509 |
2007 | | 2593.4694 | Uh, but I was thinking of the three main ones, come right down into town, you know? | 2596.6546 |
2009 | | 2597.0224 | One comes down and then it hits | 2598.3771 |
2011 | | 2598.9401 | another one that crosses it. | 2600.1178 |
2013 | | 2604.8768 | I'm probably just not making [/inaudible/.] | 2606.8105 |
2014 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2605.7799 | [Well, now when you say] from Lansing, I can only think of uh, | 2609.3352 |
2015 | | 2609.7318 | uh, I've been to Lansing and uh i- I've been on the uh | 2613.8749 |
2017 | | 2614.2231 | freeway. | 2614.8669 |
2018 | DTA_int_01 | 2614.9981 | Yeah. | 2615.2333 |
2020 | | 2615.4407 | Yeah, well this is what I'm talking about. When you get down in here- here in Detroit, | 2618.3691 |
2022 | | 2618.4795 | what do you call /the men that-/ | 2619.5014 |
2023 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2619.4976 | Well, there's [the um] John C. Lodge Freeway | 2622.6988 |
2024 | DTA_int_01 | 2620.1444 | [/freeways/] | 2620.7191 |
2025 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2623.1870 | and there's the Walter Chrysler Freeway. | 2625.7129 |
2026 | DTA_int_01 | 2626.0074 | Mm-hm. | 2626.2438 |
2027 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2626.5245 | And there's the, uh, Edsel Ford Freeway. | 2629.3179 |
2028 | DTA_int_01 | 2629.7283 | Okay. | 2629.8687 |
2029 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2630.7275 | And um. | 2631.7634 |
2031 | | 2633.7595 | There- there's the proposed Jeffries | 2635.9685 |
2033 | | 2636.1818 | and the Fisher Freeways. | 2637.8416 |
2034 | DTA_int_01 | 2638.0064 | Mm-hm. | 2638.2810 |
2036 | | 2639.0748 | Um. I noticed you mentioned East Jefferson. | 2641.0031 |
2038 | | 2641.3204 | [is it] | 2641.9916 |
2039 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2641.4989 | [Mm-hm.] | 2641.9871 |
2040 | DTA_int_01 | 2642.2752 | wha- why did you | 2643.2936 |
2042 | | 2643.4766 | why did you just mention East Jefferson? Is that a- | 2645.3751 |
2043 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2645.4422 | Well, East Jefferson is- is so much different | 2648.1716 |
2045 | | 2648.4019 | than West Jefferson. [I mean] it uh | 2650.7685 |
2046 | DTA_int_01 | 2649.6044 | [Oh.] | 2649.8516 |
2047 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2651.1468 | the- the West Jefferson goes through, | 2653.6031 |
2049 | | 2653.9753 | uh, an industrial | 2655.4826 |
2050 | DTA_int_01 | 2656.1150 | [Hm.] | 2656.3980 |
2051 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2656.1485 | [part] of the city and until you get | 2659.1501 |
2052 | | 2659.3057 | out | 2659.8366 |
2054 | | 2660.5932 | to um | 2661.5479 |
2056 | | 2662.6707 | oh almost to Outer Drive, out, uh, towards Ecorse, | 2666.9038 |
2057 | DTA_int_01 | 2667.1296 | Mm-hm. | 2667.4164 |
2058 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2667.6788 | you- you don't have uh th- the same type of street as you have on West Jefferson- on East Jefferson. | 2673.9312 |
2060 | | 2674.3589 | See, uh, | 2675.1277 |
2062 | | 2675.4817 | East Jefferson, starting with the, uh, city county building, | 2678.7213 |
2064 | | 2679.2217 | and going east, | 2680.6989 |
2066 | | 2681.1444 | uh, | 2681.8584 |
2068 | | 2682.0353 | sort of maintains its character all the way out to- um, | 2685.7334 |
2070 | | 2686.2887 | to the uh, Alter Road, which is the city limits. | 2689.2915 |
2071 | DTA_int_01 | 2689.6140 | I see. | 2689.8184 |
2072 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2689.8145 | But West Jefferson, | 2691.3287 |
2073 | | 2691.7436 | starting with, uh, | 2693.2503 |
2075 | | 2694.3442 | Cobo Hall, I think it is | 2696.3033 |
2077 | | 2696.7244 | uh, you- you pass the um | 2699.1238 |
2079 | | 2699.3557 | l- the, um, freight docks | 2701.6928 |
2081 | | 2702.3199 | and uh the | 2703.7008 |
2083 | | 2704.1402 | boat loadings | 2705.2494 |
2084 | DTA_int_01 | 2705.6460 | Oh [I.] | 2705.9267 |
2085 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2705.8382 | [and] there- there piles of coal and uh | 2708.8275 |
2086 | | 2709.4804 | sand and things like that going out, uh, | 2712.2444 |
2088 | | 2713.3001 | West Jefferson. | 2714.2659 |
2089 | DTA_int_01 | 2714.3849 | [Mm-hm.] | 2714.5649 |
2090 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2714.3910 | [Then] there's um | 2715.6498 |
2091 | | 2715.8298 | places like the | 2716.7740 |
2093 | | 2717.1584 | Fort Wayne uh, | 2718.6052 |
2095 | | 2718.7764 | m- um, army | 2720.5798 |
2097 | | 2720.7995 | instillation. | 2721.7758 |
2099 | | 2722.4287 | And then further out, you come to the entrance of Zug | 2725.7048 |
2101 | | 2725.8471 | Island. | 2726.4695 |
2102 | DTA_int_01 | 2726.9638 | Oh I. | 2727.3849 |
2103 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2727.3971 | And [uh.] | 2728.6404 |
2104 | DTA_int_01 | 2727.9601 | [Is that a kind of] a vacation spot? | 2729.3178 |
2105 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2729.3788 | No. Zug Island is a (laughing) | 2731.3837 |
2106 | DTA_int_01 | 2731.1457 | [I don't] I'm not that [familiar with /inaudible/.] | 2732.8567 |
2107 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2732.0702 | [It's um.] | 2733.2692 |
2108 | DTA_int_01 | 2733.2692 | <laugh> | 2733.9492 |
2109 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2733.9808 | I- some kind of a- it's a commercial instillation | 2737.4955 |
2110 | DTA_int_01 | 2737.5718 | Oh. | 2737.8403 |
2111 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2737.9044 | having to do with um | 2739.4844 |
2113 | | 2740.2167 | really, I don't know. I've never been out there, but it's, uh, it's a heavy industry. | 2745.4577 |
2114 | DTA_int_01 | 2745.7226 | Oh. | 2745.9605 |
2115 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2747.9306 | And uh | 2748.9313 |
2117 | | 2749.5598 | after you get further out on Jefferson, you begin to reach the- | 2753.8229 |
2119 | | 2754.2012 | the, um, | 2754.8114 |
2121 | | 2755.4379 | river front | 2756.3980 |
2122 | DTA_int_01 | 2756.6101 | Hm. | 2756.7413 |
2123 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2756.8206 | developments and from there on out to Trenton, it's- it's a very pleasant street. | 2762.4799 |
2124 | DTA_int_01 | 2762.5041 | [Oh I see.] | 2762.9961 |
2125 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2762.6078 | [But uh] other- other than- that other stretch is strictly industrial. | 2766.2513 |
2126 | DTA_int_01 | 2766.5707 | Uh-huh. | 2766.8070 |
2128 | | 2768.1214 | Okay | 2768.3991 |
2130 | | 2768.8104 | Um. | 2769.1705 |
2132 | | 2769.4451 | Where were you born? | 2770.0961 |
2133 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2770.7468 | I was born in New Orleans. | 2772.2828 |
2134 | DTA_int_01 | 2772.2828 | New Orleans. | 2772.6642 |
2136 | | 2772.7892 | Uh-huh. | 2773.0468 |
2138 | | 2773.7887 | Where else have you lived in Detroit? | 2775.3961 |
2140 | | 2777.1217 | Probably the s- the streets. | 2778.2811 |
2141 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2779.2700 | Oh I lived on Roosevelt Street, | 2781.7476 |
2143 | | 2783.3295 | and I lived on North Field Street. | 2785.5873 |
2145 | | 2787.1456 | And I lived on Erskine Street. | 2788.8777 |
2146 | DTA_int_01 | 2789.3609 | Mm-hm. | 2789.6311 |
2147 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2791.7046 | [Those are] the streets [besides this street.] | 2794.3536 |
2148 | DTA_int_01 | 2791.9213 | [Yeah.] | 2792.1767 |
2150 | | 2793.4841 | [Where-] | 2793.7380 |
2152 | | 2794.0729 | [Whereabouts] are they in- | 2794.9598 |
2153 | | 2795.0940 | in the city here? | 2795.9239 |
2154 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2797.0861 | All of them are on the west side, with the exception of Erskine Street, which is on the east side. | 2802.3757 |
2155 | DTA_int_01 | 2802.4001 | Oh. | 2802.5862 |
2157 | | 2804.1047 | Where else have you lived outside of Detroit then besides New Orleans? | 2806.7793 |
2158 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2807.4550 | I lived in Milwaukee | 2809.1065 |
2160 | | 2809.4529 | for the most part. | 2810.4903 |
2161 | DTA_int_01 | 2811.5796 | /I see/. | 2811.9666 |
2163 | | 2812.7328 | And uh | 2813.2461 |
2165 | | 2813.3346 | where are some of the places that you've gone on tr- in- on trips? | 2816.4439 |
2167 | | 2816.8791 | Perhaps as a family. | 2817.8962 |
2168 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2819.4227 | Well, the first trip we went on as a family was to, um, | 2822.9330 |
2170 | | 2823.5426 | Montreal and Quebec. | 2824.9040 |
2171 | DTA_int_01 | 2825.3205 | Hm. | 2825.4975 |
2172 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2826.2114 | And, um, | 2827.2333 |
2174 | | 2827.9692 | we've gone to | 2829.0493 |
2176 | | 2829.3056 | Rochester, New York, | 2830.6851 |
2178 | | 2831.6187 | we've gone to Cleveland, Ohio, | 2833.4493 |
2180 | | 2834.9294 | and we've gone to Chicago, Illinois. | 2837.6021 |
2182 | | 2839.6750 | And uh, we had uh, one brief visit to Milwaukee. | 2843.2381 |
2183 | DTA_int_01 | 2843.4394 | Mm-hm. | 2843.6683 |
2185 | | 2846.1988 | Um. | 2846.5893 |
2187 | | 2847.5474 | Uh, | 2847.8098 |
2189 | | 2848.0422 | some special days | 2849.4396 |
2191 | | 2850.1009 | maybe this is one for the children, toward the end of October, there's this real scary day. What would that be? | 2854.2228 |
2192 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2854.5401 | Halloween. | 2855.1647 |
2193 | DTA_int_01 | 2855.2684 | Uh-huh. | 2855.5430 |
2195 | | 2855.9275 | And uh, | 2856.4522 |
2197 | | 2856.9341 | at least I remember uh, we used carve a face on. Wha- what did you? | 2860.3454 |
2198 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2860.5682 | Pumpkins. | 2861.3783 |
2199 | DTA_int_01 | 2861.4698 | [Uh-huh.]/ | 2861.6743 |
2200 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2861.5766 | [Yeah.] | 2861.8740 |
2201 | DTA_int_01 | 2862.3749 | And uh, | 2862.9546 |
2203 | | 2863.3635 | The lady on the broomstick, /what's/ supposed to be? | 2865.3772 |
2204 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2866.3247 | Witch? | 2866.8594 |
2205 | DTA_int_01 | 2867.0977 | Yeah. | 2867.2961 |
2206 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2867.4605 | Yeah. | 2867.7320 |
2208 | | 2867.9459 | Yeah. | 2868.1382 |
2209 | DTA_int_01 | 2868.2297 | Uh. | 2868.5897 |
2211 | | 2869.1317 | Did you uh | 2869.7236 |
2213 | | 2870.9823 | uh, ever go from door to door and | 2873.0021 |
2215 | | 2873.8232 | um | 2874.1696 |
2216 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2874.3893 | Oh. I- I have done it for the past | 2877.4403 |
2218 | | 2878.0506 | fifteen years, I would say. | 2879.8638 |
2219 | DTA_int_01 | 2879.8974 | <laugh> | 2880.1750 |
2220 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2880.4597 | With | 2880.7282 |
2222 | | 2880.9479 | first one child and then the other. | 2883.1630 |
2223 | DTA_int_01 | 2883.6451 | Uh. When the children come to the door, what do they say? | 2885.6486 |
2224 | DTA_se3_ag3_m_02 | 2885.8623 | Trick or treat. | 2886.6281 |
2225 | DTA_int_01 | 2886.7959 | Uh-huh. | 2887.0460 |