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1DTA_int_010.5720Um.0.9015
3 1.2838When you were a child, can you remember some of the games you used to play3.7551 
4DTA_se3_ag3_m_024.2705[Oh, certainly.]5.2896
5DTA_int_014.2982[/inaudible/]5.2868
6DTA_se3_ag3_m_026.4700Well,6.9704
8 7.3548uh, as a child, I lived in9.8912 
10 10.1170New Orleans.11.0140 
11DTA_int_0111.1177Mm-hm.11.3313
12DTA_se3_ag3_m_0211.8624And, um,12.7777
14 14.0064at that time15.0804 
16 15.7700there was, uh, very little organized recreation.19.2359 
18 19.7729We played uh20.9933 
20 21.2923with the neighbors,22.3907 
22 22.8637on the corners, in the backyards, thing like that.26.0856 
23DTA_int_0126.3925Uh-huh.26.6492
24DTA_se3_ag3_m_0227.5030Uh.28.1804
26 29.2644<ts> We made30.2103 
28 30.5947many of our toys.31.9738 
29DTA_int_0132.3412Oh yeah?32.6646
30DTA_se3_ag3_m_0233.0735Like um,34.0437
32 35.3402well these are things you- you- you've never heard of before like a pop gun for example.39.8335 
33DTA_int_0140.0837Oh.40.3339
34DTA_se3_ag3_m_0240.5902There's a tree called a China Ball Tree that grows in uh,45.0907
36 45.2543the south.45.8441 
38 47.1446It has a green berry that, uh, grows in clusters like grapes.51.3322 
40 52.6035Then there's a- uh,54.6355 
42 55.6094uh, a type- a species of bamboo.58.1906 
44 58.9268Uh, which is called60.3364 
46 60.7209cane reed,61.5813 
48 62.0381locally.62.6971 
49DTA_int_0163.0205Mm-hm.63.2890
50DTA_se3_ag3_m_0263.9786Uh. The boys65.5712
52 65.9435would uh66.7245 
54 67.5265mm,67.7706 
56 68.1347cut the cane reed off69.8310 
58 70.4657and they would separate it between the nodes73.5299 
60 74.2218so that they- uh, the joints were-76.7480 
62 76.9311were severed.77.5657 
64 77.7732And they had the straight79.0730 
66 79.4147tube.79.8784 
67DTA_int_0180.5498Oh I see. [Yeah.]81.4322
68DTA_se3_ag3_m_0280.9830[Yeah.] Now, you had to get when it was green.83.6863
69DTA_int_0184.0155Uh-huh.84.2901
70DTA_se3_ag3_m_0285.1261And it has a pith inside.87.2558
72 88.1015Well,88.5103 
74 88.8158uh- i- you would jus- take a- a stick.91.6630 
76 92.3731Ordinary pines, piece of pine wood94.5942 
78 95.0759and you would make it round96.6137 
80 97.4411and uh98.5517 
82 98.7043tap it at the ends until it became fibrous.101.9811 
84 102.6435And it would make a sponge that would uh105.0027 
86 105.5092take up the diameter of the uh107.9073 
88 108.6806of the inside of the110.2245 
90 110.9290bamboo,111.5758 
92 112.3874uh,113.0220 
94 113.7542section.114.2729 
95DTA_int_01114.5536Okay.115.0845
96DTA_se3_ag3_m_02115.3487Now, uh, the diameter of this was of course118.0704
98 118.3877rather small in- in120.2672 
100 120.8598uh121.4425 
102 121.5554contrast to the regular bamboo poles that you think of, you see, it was a very small diameter thing.126.8521 
104 127.2036And you had to get it while it was green. I mean , when it- uh, when it turned yellow, it was too dry, then it would split.132.9269 
106 134.3148Then on the other end, an ordinary,136.6963 
108 137.1235um,137.6239 
110 138.3778spool from thread.139.9521 
112 140.8184I- you put the- the stick into143.7449 
114 144.1050the hole in the spool to make a handle at this end.147.2027 
115DTA_int_01147.3614Mm-hm.147.6299
116DTA_se3_ag3_m_02147.8068And a sponge at the other end.149.5022
118 150.6860then, you would take the China Balls, cut them in half.154.0488 
120 154.6407Insert the first half156.2639 
122 156.9310into the- one end of the tube158.7799 
124 159.1644and push it through.160.1956 
126 161.1187then you would161.6374 
128 161.9120insert the other half of the China Ball that-164.5727 
130 164.7008into that same end166.0738 
132 167.1427and push it in.168.3143 
134 169.2644Well, what happened was that170.5276 
136 170.8632the air between the-172.6511 
138 172.8422the two pieces of this China berry175.2260 
140 175.6287would compress.176.6722 
141DTA_int_01176.8277Mm, oh.177.4797
142DTA_se3_ag3_m_02179.0480So179.3958
144 180.1830that180.3844 
146 181.6217when you, um,182.5920 
148 183.5256gave the- the spool on this end a <click>186.7248 
149DTA_int_01187.0543[<laugh>]187.5302
150DTA_se3_ag3_m_02187.1972[a b-]187.5389
151 188.3072a blow then it would compress the air and the first191.4010
153 191.7061section wou- would shoot out with a reasonable force.195.1768 
155 195.7694Well, that was a pop gun.197.0020 
157 198.2336Then we had rubber guns.199.9654 
159 200.1785/Uh/,200.6989 
161 201.2215cut off a201.8867 
163 202.6925um,203.3393 
165 204.1049sections of an inner tube.205.6427 
166DTA_int_01205.8502Mm-hm.206.1064
167DTA_se3_ag3_m_02206.7350And uh, i- we had a- a notched stick, a stick with notches in it and a string on it.212.3645
169 213.1740Well, you'd stretch the, uh,214.7544 
171 215.1023string across the notches.217.0244 
173 217.9944And uh stretch the rubber bands220.3132 
175 220.5153the- from the inner tube to each notch. One to each notch.224.6230 
177 225.0538And then as you pull the string progressively, it would228.2399 
179 228.8196shoot the rubber bands off. Well that was a rubber band gun.232.5716 
180DTA_int_01232.8328<laugh>233.4442
181DTA_se3_ag3_m_02234.2593Uh. As far as games were concerned,237.0785
183 237.7776we played t- tag and all, like everyone else.241.4633 
185 241.9670But there was a g- game that was especially popular called kick the stick.246.4370 
186DTA_int_01246.7939Mm-hm.247.0563
187DTA_se3_ag3_m_02247.2088It was a variation of baseball.249.9915
188DTA_int_01250.1379Oh.250.3881
189DTA_se3_ag3_m_02250.5834Uh, you'd put a stick on, um,252.6276
191 253.1487two p-253.5270 
193 254.0091two bricks254.9000 
195 255.6434and, uh, you'd kick it and you'd, uh, make it to the bases. And the object was to make261.0249 
197 261.5436to the base before the man who264.0612 
199 264.3846roughly approximated the pitcher266.4472 
201 267.3520could retrieve the stick268.4321 
203 268.9236and put it back on the two bricks it was kicked from.271.7086 
205 272.2883Well, if- if he got it back before you got to base, you're out and so forth.276.3985 
207 278.0471Um,278.8526 
209 280.3232we also played uh281.9148 
211 283.3420a game called uh285.2039 
213 287.0576stick up.287.8082 
214DTA_int_01288.7206How'd you play that?289.2942
215DTA_se3_ag3_m_02289.4833Now this290.2156
217 291.1318w- uh, you see there was very little paving293.7862 
219 294.2378in uh, New Orleans at this time.296.3740 
221 297.0026And wherever we could find a convenient mud hole,300.2440 
222DTA_int_01300.6040<laugh>301.1532
223DTA_se3_ag3_m_02301.1715we used broom sticks, were about eighteen inches long.304.8212
225 305.5352And you'd throw your stick down into the308.1095 
227 308.4878mud309.0309 
229 309.7814and if you could manage to knock the other fellow's stick down,314.0798 
231 315.4405then, uh,316.2760 
233 317.3682you were allowed to pick his stick up319.6303 
235 320.1429and knock it as far as you could322.2359 
236DTA_int_01322.5217Mm-hm.322.7902
237DTA_se3_ag3_m_02322.8634and while he was retrieving his stick,325.1826
239 325.5362you had to stick your stick in the mud three times.328.8871 
241 329.5276You see.329.9853 
242DTA_int_01330.0707[Mm-hm.]330.3225
243DTA_se3_ag3_m_02330.3042[If] you failed to to that, then he could333.3532
244 333.5912take your stick334.4272
246 335.0681and knock it away.336.2153 
247DTA_int_01336.3871[Oh.]336.8265
248DTA_se3_ag3_m_02336.4166[You see.]336.8668
249 338.0957Uh.338.8707
250DTA_int_01341.0311Do you have a winner in that game or?342.3857
252 342.7619How did you?343.2440 
253DTA_se3_ag3_m_02343.6772It was just a time passing game, there were no scores.347.0992
254DTA_int_01347.1964Uh-huh.347.5122
255DTA_se3_ag3_m_02347.5935You just played the game to- to do something. Just to have something to do.351.9760
256DTA_int_01352.2042Uh-huh.352.4239
257DTA_se3_ag3_m_02352.8402Because uh353.8959
259 354.2240playgrounds and swings,356.1340 
261 357.0598seesaws, things like that, were just not available to360.8126 
263 361.1177children in361.7707 
265 362.5061the section of the city that I lived in and, uh,365.2354 
267 365.8761so we just had to make up our games.367.8770 
269 368.4567We made kites too.369.8602 
271 370.4123And they are the most interesting.372.4626 
273 373.2137Uh. The kites there374.9711 
275 375.1908are made a special way377.0520 
277 377.4975because378.1443 
279 379.3281uh, you have a doldrums, uh, times where there's very little air,383.4537 
280DTA_int_01383.7100Oh.384.0489
281DTA_se3_ag3_m_02384.0611very little circulation of air.385.5805
283 385.8702Uh like here.387.3347 
285 388.3355Uh.388.9157 
287 389.5931So that390.1467 
289 390.3847the- the kites were made out of, um,393.2527 
291 393.6716cypress wood394.8363 
293 395.0127and you had to find a piece of cypress wood. It split very easily and it was a very straight grain.400.9472 
295 402.3385Uh.403.0524 
297 403.6381The kites usually had405.2674 
299 405.6402three sticks, two across in an X408.4280 
301 408.8247and then one th- um,410.5644 
303 410.7497horizontal stick so that you had a412.9196 
305 413.4017six sided414.4313 
307 414.6783kite.415.1360 
309 415.6119And you varied the shape by417.4609 
311 417.8418uh the amount of um419.4344 
313 420.0902of, uh, the length421.4876 
315 422.0060below the intersection. You could have it424.6422 
317 425.1401so that the, um,426.2995 
319 426.6898kite would- would be an- an- uh an429.6403 
321 429.7530even /octangul/431.2054 
323 431.5297octangular kite432.8173 
325 433.2383or it could be an elongated kite.436.3371 
327 437.4172And uh438.2715 
329 439.1624it was made with thread440.5393 
331 441.1434and um tissue paper.443.0412 
333 443.9444And paper444.9818 
335 445.4516with paste446.2815 
337 446.6223wa- flour and water paste448.3859 
338DTA_int_01448.8008Uh-huh.449.0876
339DTA_se3_ag3_m_02449.1547and you could make them in various colors,451.5622
341 451.8641and, uh,452.5598 
343 453.1973decorate them.454.0638 
345 455.0401And you had to fly them with thread. You couldn't use the kite string. It would never go up, I mean the kites that you see now are absolutely too heavy463.5806 
347 464.0932for that part of the country. They just wouldn't [fly.]466.7031 
348DTA_int_01466.1031[What kid of paper] did you use again?467.2828
349DTA_se3_ag3_m_02467.4659Tiss- tissue paper. Um.469.0402
351 469.6505Uh.470.2973 
353 470.8465You know, the kind of paper you used for gift wrapping.473.4359 
354DTA_int_01473.5030Oh yeah.473.9973
355DTA_se3_ag3_m_02474.0705Only you could get it in colors. You could get any color477.0294
357 477.2369you wanted and then you478.5305 
359 478.9821could paste uh, two different colors together481.6636 
361 482.2617[and he-]483.1270 
362DTA_int_01482.2666[Was it uh, one] thickness then?483.6396
363DTA_se3_ag3_m_02483.9886Oh yes. Just one thickness.485.5995
364DTA_int_01485.7438[Hm.]486.1832
365DTA_se3_ag3_m_02485.7482[Mm-hm.]486.1875
366 486.4029That was the whole idea, to make the kite488.2335
368 488.5770as light as possible490.0781 
370 490.5785because you had so little492.1780 
372 492.6308air493.0384 
374 493.3862to- to get it up. And it was a real trick to even get that496.6674 
376 496.8443little thing up,497.6620 
378 497.9077you [see.]498.4111 
379DTA_int_01498.1321[Huh.]498.3182
380DTA_se3_ag3_m_02499.7856Uh.500.4629
382 501.1728So those were um,502.6434 
384 503.1424those were some of the things we did for recreation.506.1089 
385DTA_int_01508.6811Sounds real interesting.509.7003
387 510.4387Um.510.7865 
389 511.3566What are your favorite TV programs now?513.2604 
390DTA_se3_ag3_m_02516.1817Well, actually, my favorite program comes- comes on between uh, six thirty and seven o'clock in the morning.523.7207
391DTA_int_01523.9038Uh-huh.524.1784
392DTA_se3_ag3_m_02524.5891[That's] um.525.6251
393DTA_int_01524.5922[/inaudible/]524.9797
394DTA_se3_ag3_m_02526.6686The, um,527.4741
396 528.9856I think it's called the Sunrise Semester531.2312 
398 531.6112and the University of Michigan has a program, Channel Four535.9428 
400 536.4188and Channel Two.537.5840 
402 537.8891Uh, have programs both at that time of the morning.540.3727 
404 540.6656I'm the first one up, I'm down here by myself.543.2630 
406 543.9159And I'm getting my breakfast and I listen to this program and then to the news, and it's time to go to work then.549.5852 
407DTA_int_01549.7549Mm-hm.550.0051
408DTA_se3_ag3_m_02551.2682But they have had such a variety554.0931
410 554.3159of554.6454 
412 554.7522programs and555.7127 
414 556.3046uh, they're all educational programs without commercials.559.9095 
415DTA_int_01560.0843Hm.560.3162
416DTA_se3_ag3_m_02560.5484F- uh straight through from six thirty to seven.563.4954
418 564.3353And, um, I found them to be566.7945 
420 566.9721most instructive and very interesting.568.9431 
421DTA_int_01568.9431Mm-hm.569.3825
423 570.7407Do you have a pet in the family here?572.2906 
424DTA_se3_ag3_m_02572.5530[No.] No, we don't have any pets.574.2616
425DTA_int_01574.4874Do you remember when you were a boy575.6102
427 575.8570did you have a pet?576.4245 
429 577.1018No?577.4619 
430DTA_se3_ag3_m_02577.8768Yes, a, uh,579.5305
432 579.8914uh. We did have.581.5695 
434 582.5397We had dogs.583.8212 
436 585.2124And uh, they were mostly586.9637 
438 587.1773poodles. Long haired589.3619 
440 589.8407dogs, very difficult to care for.592.0800 
441DTA_int_01592.1258Mm-hm.592.3363
442DTA_se3_ag3_m_02592.4889I had to wash them and they hated water.594.6922
443DTA_int_01594.8417<laugh>595.1490
444DTA_se3_ag3_m_02595.9104And uh, one time I had uh, rabbits.598.8760
445DTA_int_01599.3110Oh.599.5751
446DTA_se3_ag3_m_02602.1304Those were the only, uh, pets we ever had.604.4125
447DTA_int_01604.7981I see.605.2697
449 606.2704Um.606.6182 
451 607.0637You remember607.6861 
453 608.4755any ways that you used to609.9495 
455 610.1436kind of pretend that you could get a wish?611.7230 
457 613.3889Uh. You know614.0906 
459 614.5026if614.6674 
461 615.4121say, some people say if an eyelash falls off, they617.7675 
463 618.0116put it on their thumb, make a wish and then they blow it away?620.5038 
465 621.5642And then their wish will probably come true.623.8403 
467 624.6425Any other ways like this?625.6921 
468DTA_se3_ag3_m_02626.7700Well, it's a long time since I thought about that, but I think630.0721
470 630.2510the- um,631.1586 
472 631.7946the632.1729 
474 632.6611dandelions634.1073 
475DTA_int_01634.7019Hm.634.9581
476DTA_se3_ag3_m_02635.2123The dandelion seeds was, uh, a wishing device.638.5740
477DTA_int_01638.7343Mm-hm.638.8929
478DTA_se3_ag3_m_02638.8929when I was a kid. You'd-639.7639
479 640.0690You'd blow them641.0551
481 641.3053and you'd make a wish.642.3854 
483 642.5832Now as- as I remember it, it's been a long time as I said [since I] thought about that, but that I think is648.2038 
484DTA_int_01646.0366[Oh.]646.3173
485DTA_se3_ag3_m_02648.4845I think the kids do that now.649.9561
486DTA_int_01650.1452Uh-huh.650.3598
488 651.6962Are there any other ways like this?652.7457 
489DTA_se3_ag3_m_02656.5143No. I ca- I can't think of anything like that about wishing.659.9179
490DTA_int_01660.2413Uh-huh.660.5159
492 661.3654Um.661.8048 
494 662.8788From your, let's say from your elementary school days,665.0936 
496 665.6733uh, what are some the things that you studied?667.5531 
498 667.8122What are some of the subjects that you had?669.2340 
499DTA_se3_ag3_m_02669.8076In elementary [school?]670.8992
500DTA_int_01670.7660[Yeah.]671.0247
501DTA_se3_ag3_m_02671.7937Reading, writing, arithmetic, geography,674.0334
503 674.9060history675.3942 
505 676.7299civics.677.3890 
506DTA_int_01677.8222Uh-huh.678.0480
507DTA_se3_ag3_m_02681.7655The- The re- the usual [courses, nothing-] nothing unusual.684.9612
508DTA_int_01683.2446[/?/]683.7496
509 685.3274Uh, okay.685.8460
511 686.2044Uh.686.5583 
513 686.8053From your-687.2987 
515 688.0554from your desk in the classroom, let's say689.9235 
517 690.0639maybe690.5024 
519 690.8441well, in691.7716 
521 692.4733high school or693.2572 
523 693.6172college or whatever it was.694.5996 
525 695.2037What- what would you696.1374 
527 696.3021usually see at the front of the room?697.9712 
529 698.6363What were some of the things you might see?700.0581 
530DTA_se3_ag3_m_02702.8740Oh. At what- at what grade level let's [say.]705.5487
531DTA_int_01705.1215[Doesn't make any-] uh. Well let's say, in high school.707.5319
532DTA_se3_ag3_m_02708.0139<ts> In high [school.]709.1001
533DTA_int_01708.9231[I'm asking] you for kind of.709.6127
534DTA_se3_ag3_m_02710.1981Well, there would, um,711.7053
536 712.2057there would712.7301 
538 712.8709be the- the teacher.714.2194 
539DTA_int_01714.5959Mm-hm.714.8278
540DTA_se3_ag3_m_02715.0292<ts> And uh, in high school, the teacher was a um718.8064
542 720.1014a sister- a Notre Dame sister.722.3836 
543DTA_int_01722.5935Mm-hm.722.8009
544DTA_se3_ag3_m_02723.3013Uh. She wore this724.7963
546 725.0552voluminous black habit with the726.9163 
548 727.9129white collar.729.2258 
550 729.6407And I could remember it very visi- vividly, one or the other of them, but they all734.3717 
552 734.8050dressed alike, you know, the face was the only difference.737.5265 
554 738.5314And the blackboard.739.7605 
556 740.1145And, um,740.9871 
558 743.4157the desk. Now, I- I'm- as I recall, I'm not aware747.8765 
560 748.3373of any other things750.2473 
562 750.6134that were in- in the rooms. We- we had a home room.753.6886 
563DTA_int_01753.8412Mm-hm.754.0548
564DTA_se3_ag3_m_02754.2866And in the homeroom, we started the day756.8333
566 757.1201as we ended the day.758.3589 
568 759.0558But uh, we went to- we rotated classes762.0642 
569DTA_int_01762.3653[Uh-huh.]762.6563
570DTA_se3_ag3_m_02762.5422[uh,] various763.7138
571 764.2215places764.7097
573 765.8019in the building.766.6013 
575 766.9003But um.767.8156 
577 769.4816I can't remember anything especially about any of those classes.773.0553 
578DTA_int_01773.1591What did all the students work-774.6157
580 774.8860uh, and were did the students work? Did they have their own777.1133 
582 778.5527place to work?779.2910 
584 779.7060I mean in the classroom.780.6091 
585DTA_se3_ag3_m_02780.9020Oh yes. I mean there were these individual desks. Some of them were the,784.8968
587 785.3727uh, one arm786.6940 
589 786.9564chairs.787.5823 
591 788.2474Uh. And I think there were a few, uh, l-791.3229 
593 791.6219of the lift up type desk. But, uh, we didn't have uh the795.8450 
595 796.3088conference type uh,797.9258 
597 798.2859uh classrooms like they have now with groups801.0762 
599 801.3874around the table. That802.8432 
601 803.0202was a little803.8318 
603 804.0087previous.804.6983 
604DTA_int_01804.8691Mm-hm.805.0949
606 806.4679Um.806.8950 
608 807.7178What are some of the things that808.8467 
610 809.7641the, uh, children might play on the playground? Uh.812.6595 
612 812.8273Well, equipment.813.5291 
614 815.0748You know, special equipment that816.2708 
616 817.2227probably I- I don't know if it would be818.7774 
618 819.2229you would have this820.0575 
620 820.2100in820.5043 
622 821.1605you would have had this at your school. Let's say now, uh, on a real824.4334 
624 824.6348you know, well furnished playground, what might your kids play on?826.8614 
625DTA_se3_ag3_m_02827.7281Well, they would have, um,829.2977
627 830.3778swings831.1710 
629 831.9415and teeter-totters.833.4610 
631 834.1505There are the, um,835.3343 
633 837.1691climbing apparatus.838.8102 
635 840.0524To some people call them monkey bars.842.2940 
637 842.6738There are tho-843.1605 
639 843.2444the l-843.5797 
641 843.7201the uh, overhead ladders.845.7761 
643 846.7708Uh.847.4121 
645 847.5708Then uh, lately848.8583 
647 849.1024they have gone in for this construction851.5674 
649 852.0190type852.3607 
651 852.7024thing where you have um854.3256 
653 854.9528facsimiles of animals or, uh, they use these huge drain tiles for climbing through.861.1271 
655 861.7383Um.862.3912 
657 864.5545<ts>864.6812 
659 864.8764Uh. Sandboxes.866.4339 
660DTA_int_01868.6002Would monkey bars have to be in any special shape870.5895
662 871.1815at all? or?871.8100 
663DTA_se3_ag3_m_02872.6521Well, some of them873.6094
665 873.8169uh, were, um,874.9519 
667 875.5072the pyramid shape.876.5220 
669 876.6400They- they were wide at the base and then they narrowed to a tower880.6514 
671 881.0200and in the center was the- the- a high- the highest point.884.3426 
672DTA_int_01884.5073Mm-hm.884.8185
673DTA_se3_ag3_m_02884.9101And others885.7926
675 886.0916had a rounded shape, uh, they- uh,888.5202 
677 888.6286they curved at the top and came down to- with perpendicular sides.893.3784 
678DTA_int_01893.4952Mm-hm.893.8384
679DTA_se3_ag3_m_02894.4228So it- they- they just varied in shape depending on the manufacturer898.4817
680DTA_int_01898.6525Uh-huh.898.9210
682 899.9018Um. If you step outside the901.4029 
684 901.8667classroom,902.4492 
686 902.9662uh in a school,903.8388 
688 904.3209you would-904.6443 
690 904.8152where would you be in the long.906.0966 
691DTA_se3_ag3_m_02906.3838In the corridor. Yes.907.6836
692DTA_int_01907.7218Uh-huh.907.9446
694 908.6721And what does- what do the909.8621 
696 910.3061kids do after school is out?911.6683 
698 912.1615I mean, I should say, what did you do after school was out?914.1997 
700 914.4437when you were in.915.2675 
701DTA_se3_ag3_m_02915.4468<ts>915.4834
703 915.7191In high school916.6377 
705 918.6593when school was over, we- uh,920.3281 
707 920.4348we usually made it for the outside922.4695 
708DTA_int_01922.6773Mm-hm.922.8604
709DTA_se3_ag3_m_02922.8695and um923.7021
711 924.3999the924.7599 
713 925.0894car line was about a half a block to the corner.928.3608 
715 928.9902And929.7957 
717 930.5645I remember931.4118 
719 931.6986learning the lessons about ladies first934.5605 
720DTA_int_01934.8750Uh-huh.935.1038
721DTA_se3_ag3_m_02935.1252<ts>935.2381
723 935.4028because um936.2907 
725 936.6308the-936.7911 
727 937.0591the uh937.6254 
729 939.3087students would line up as close941.8787 
731 942.5350to the street car rail944.4451 
733 944.6709as they dared945.8289 
735 946.5504and still let the car go by.948.4356 
736DTA_int_01948.4784Huh.948.6340
737DTA_se3_ag3_m_02949.0786And uh they would line up about maybe a width of ten feet953.7825
739 953.9334approximately to where they expected the car door957.4103 
741 958.1983to open.958.8208 
742DTA_int_01958.9733Mm-hm.959.2174
743DTA_se3_ag3_m_02959.4976And sometimes the960.7608
745 960.9364the street car would stop at this end of the line, sometimes at964.3963 
747 964.5123the964.7380 
749 965.0041other end of the line, sometimes it would stop right in the middle.967.8782 
751 968.5000Well, whoever happened to be in front of the door971.8148 
753 972.1138sort of won this game because the were the first ones on [to this] street car, you see, others977.2854 
754DTA_int_01975.0826[<laugh>]975.5555
755DTA_se3_ag3_m_02977.6576would have to file in afterwards.979.5310
757 980.9426Well one day I happened to win the game and, um,985.3381 
759 986.1314the- the car door opened988.0145 
761 989.1299and um990.2038 
763 990.9341the step dropped down. You see, the- the- the doors folded994.4877 
765 994.6281back and opened and then the- the step997.5943 
767 997.9970came down.998.7757 
768DTA_int_01998.8812Mm-hm.999.1497
769DTA_se3_ag3_m_02999.3328And the surge from the back caught me totally unprepared.1003.1653
771 1003.5572Pushed me against the iron step and I scraped my shins1007.9089 
772DTA_int_011006.2689[<laugh>]1006.9265
773DTA_se3_ag3_m_021008.0676and [uh]1009.0737
774DTA_int_011008.6180[<laugh>]1009.2160
775DTA_se3_ag3_m_021009.3605I had a most uncomfortable ride all the way home.1011.9905
777 1012.6013Well,1013.0040 
779 1013.2969<laugh>1013.6509 
781 1014.2184it was mostly the girls in the back, you see.1016.7650 
782DTA_int_011016.9054[<laugh>]1017.5618
783DTA_se3_ag3_m_021017.0640[And so] that's why I say I learned the lessons of- of ladies [first from then] on, I'd step back and let them get on [first.]1024.1914
784DTA_int_011020.8130[<laugh>]1021.4283
786 1024.0468[<laugh>]1024.5262 
787 1025.8219Um.1026.1849
789 1026.4656Did you ever have a teacher that yelled a lot in class?1028.7794 
790DTA_se3_ag3_m_021029.7785No.1030.0958
791DTA_int_011030.7472Mm-hm.1030.9333
792DTA_se3_ag3_m_021031.3236No, I never did.1032.1840
793DTA_int_011032.8553Who was the best teacher that you ever had?1034.4418
794DTA_se3_ag3_m_021036.0386Chemistry teacher.1036.9845
795DTA_int_011037.6390What was it about1038.2988
797 1038.6070this person that1039.3246 
799 1040.3618you liked?1040.8044 
800DTA_se3_ag3_m_021041.3780<ts>1041.4726
802 1043.5656Well, she was um1045.2439 
804 1049.1849I would say she was quietly persistent.1051.5800 
806 1052.6571Uh.1053.4443 
808 1054.1910She tried to get the subject across1057.0071 
810 1057.6377uh, not by any forceful means, but1061.2611 
812 1062.1642by1062.5120 
814 1063.1773/uh/ satisfying herself that the students knew1066.3919 
816 1067.1812w-1067.3314 
818 1067.5022the theory. And knew what the problem was and1071.2095 
820 1071.5878how to go about solving these uh1074.1459 
822 1074.4449chemical problems.1075.6714 
824 1076.5379And the encouragement1078.4835 
826 1078.7459that she gave to the students1080.6314 
828 1081.1312uh along the way.1082.7605 
830 1083.6026In high school an adolescent age, a- age of uncertainty,1087.3081 
832 1088.8459uh,1089.4195 
834 1090.7832a bad mark1091.7795 
836 1091.9976or so1092.6749 
838 1093.0715a dispute1094.0159 
840 1094.2676anything could1095.2760 
842 1095.5865throw you off pretty far.1097.1425 
844 1097.5835And uh she was a person that you could talk to1100.7344 
846 1101.4911and uh, you could explain your problem to her in confidence and- uh, and-1107.5118 
848 1108.7476with the feeling that she would understand.1110.7247 
849DTA_int_011110.8956Mm-hm.1111.1397
850DTA_se3_ag3_m_021111.8744She was a most remarkable person.1113.6493
851DTA_int_011116.2083Uh.1116.5087
853 1117.3799Was there ever a teacher that1118.3989 
855 1119.1434um probably had a hard time getting along with students?1121.4561 
857 1121.9893Or vice-versa.1122.7796 
859 1123.1304<laugh>1123.4355 
861 1125.4601That you can remember?1126.0986 
862DTA_se3_ag3_m_021128.6053You mean getting- uh, getting along with the students in general?1131.8176
863DTA_int_011131.9762Yeah.1132.2134
865 1132.4423Mm-hm.1132.6305 
866DTA_se3_ag3_m_021133.5214No, uh.1135.0347
868 1135.3536Y- you're speaking of what? High school?1137.3986 
869DTA_int_011137.3925Well, yeah. Well1138.2651
870 1138.6512all the way through.1139.3147
871DTA_se3_ag3_m_021141.6449I'm trying to- I'm trying to think of one who- who didn't.1144.7326
872DTA_int_011144.9035Uh-huh.1145.1414
873DTA_se3_ag3_m_021145.3977But i- it's kind of hard1147.1909
875 1147.8812because1148.6257 
877 1150.7920all of the time that I was in school, I went to parochial school.1154.3997 
878DTA_int_011154.4211Mm-hm.1154.6071
879DTA_se3_ag3_m_021155.3109And the theory there was, uh,1158.0557
881 1158.7385that1159.1398 
883 1159.3610you had to measure up1161.0268 
885 1161.2892to the school.1162.2412 
886DTA_int_011162.4303Mm-hm.1162.7049
887DTA_se3_ag3_m_021163.0553And uh1163.9889
889 1164.3510while there were those1166.1656 
891 1166.2968pranksters in the school who1168.1954 
893 1168.4675got into trouble,1169.5415 
895 1170.0256by and large,1171.4658 
897 1171.6915the student body1173.0157 
899 1173.6155even from the grade schools up1175.4339 
901 1176.1628were- were1176.9683 
903 1177.0903serious about their1178.4755 
905 1178.6816about their studies.1179.6458 
906DTA_int_011179.7495Mm-hm.1180.0668
907DTA_se3_ag3_m_021180.3400And uh1181.3011
909 1182.5177w-1182.6630 
911 1182.8277there wasn't this- um, this battle between the-1186.3509 
913 1187.0343the, uh, parent1188.4561 
915 1188.9928and the teacher1190.0119 
917 1190.2072or the student and the teacher1192.1782 
919 1192.6698that you find1193.9635 
921 1194.3465so prevalent today.1195.7026 
923 1196.2534The-1196.7050 
925 1197.6264the school1198.6577 
927 1198.9279exercised an authority over the children while they were in attendance.1203.7906 
928DTA_int_011203.7967Mm-hm.1204.0591
929DTA_se3_ag3_m_021204.3520And the parents1205.7067
931 1205.9147reinforced the authority of the school1208.7949 
933 1209.3814so that,1209.9794 
935 1210.4981uh, the1211.4215 
937 1211.7937pupil was left without1213.4901 
939 1213.7281too much choice, but to1215.3268 
941 1215.8591to do it right.1216.7256 
942DTA_int_011216.9575Mm-hm.1217.2565
943DTA_se3_ag3_m_021217.6410So that,1218.3793
945 1218.6870uh,1219.2545 
947 1219.4498while there may have been1220.9754 
949 1221.8602instances of1223.0533 
951 1223.1875disagreement or unpleasantness,1225.5735 
953 1225.8664uh, they were of such a nature that1228.6529 
955 1228.9519they passed and i- you couldn't recall them if you tried.1232.4359 
956DTA_int_011232.7654Mm-hm.1233.0217
957DTA_se3_ag3_m_021233.4736It's just like that.1234.4740
958DTA_int_011234.6936Mm-hm.1234.9194
960 1235.5296That's good.1236.0211 
962 1237.0218Um.1237.3433 
964 1237.5874Who was this smartest1238.3594 
966 1238.7249kid1238.9934 
968 1239.3839i- let's say in your senior class.1240.9709 
970 1241.0813/inaudible/1241.5759 
971DTA_se3_ag3_m_021241.8097<ts>1241.9135
973 1242.0442Oh that's easy, his name was, uh, /RD-NAME-5/.1246.3048 
974DTA_int_011246.7426Uh-huh, what- what was there so-1248.5454
976 1249.2159well why did everybody respect him or1250.9177 
978 1251.6377how was he uh so far ahead of the other people /uh/?1254.2393 
979DTA_se3_ag3_m_021255.3011Really, uh, I don't know, he was a regular guy, he played basketball, he played football.1261.1335
980DTA_int_011261.4203Uh-huh.1261.6582
981DTA_se3_ag3_m_021262.0488He did all of the other things, he went to dances and so forth.1265.7999
983 1267.0071But he got straight A's.1268.8927 
984DTA_int_011269.0452Mm.1269.2344
985DTA_se3_ag3_m_021269.7287He was the um1270.9714
987 1272.5823outstanding freshman in college, we went through college together.1275.9176 
988DTA_int_011276.0515Mm-hm.1276.2648
989DTA_se3_ag3_m_021276.7624And um1277.7625
991 1277.9578he, uh, graduated from college with honors.1281.1513 
993 1281.6456/I'll let you-/ I mean,1282.4389 
995 1283.2322and it never appeared1285.4936 
997 1285.7703that he was1287.0944 
999 1288.0036stretching himself out1289.6366 
1000DTA_int_011289.7220Mm-hm.1289.9844
1001DTA_se3_ag3_m_021290.2600to- to make these. He- he was always relaxed.1293.2158
1003 1293.7276And uh1294.6795 
1005 1295.4667friendly and1296.2356 
1007 1296.4126so forth.1297.0106 
1009 1297.6739Uh. I mean he wasn't the type of person who was working to make himself a-1301.9044 
1011 1302.0936a- an outstanding student. It just came to him.1305.0688 
1012DTA_int_011305.2793Mm-hm.1305.4319
1014 1307.9645Uh.1308.1872 
1016 1308.5320What about1308.9957 
1018 1309.1422uh, a person who maybe had the hardest time?1311.4170 
1020 1313.2062I don't know, do you want to call him the dumbest person but. <laugh>1315.4029 
1021DTA_se3_ag3_m_021315.8744[Mm-hm.]1316.4488
1022DTA_int_011316.0910[The] pers-1316.5029
1023 1316.6585the fellow probably had the hardest1317.9980
1024DTA_se3_ag3_m_021318.1306[Well,]1318.8518
1025DTA_int_011318.1730[or girl] I don't know.1319.1954
1026DTA_se3_ag3_m_021319.1203there was a girl1320.2309
1027 1320.6332uh, who did. She had- she had a very difficult time in- in- in high school.1325.4295
1028DTA_int_011325.5516Mm-hm.1325.7713
1029DTA_se3_ag3_m_021326.3632Uh.1327.1443
1031 1327.5123And I remember her very well because sh-1329.9350 
1033 1330.2319she walked ahead of me in the graduation line1333.9969 
1035 1334.1251in college.1335.0378 
1036DTA_int_011335.4710Mm-hm.1335.6907
1037DTA_se3_ag3_m_021335.9029And uh1336.8684
1039 1337.7532she was a- a very1339.0978 
1041 1339.6165lovely person.1340.8979 
1043 1341.3215She was1341.9073 
1045 1342.6579generous and outgoing1344.3110 
1047 1345.1470but she wasn't1346.5078 
1049 1346.8763pretty.1347.3950 
1050DTA_int_011347.6688Mm-hm.1347.8244
1051DTA_se3_ag3_m_021348.0861And1348.6825
1053 1349.4195she was1349.9412 
1055 1350.2132a little clumsy.1351.5820 
1057 1352.8706And everybody made extra room for her1356.2376 
1059 1357.2717when she was around. I mean1358.4555 
1061 1358.8298the- the- while there may have been personal opinions,1362.7657 
1062DTA_int_011363.0649Mm-hm.1363.2663
1063DTA_se3_ag3_m_021363.3090about her brightness,1365.0664
1065 1365.5058about her clumsiness, and about her appearance,1368.4502 
1067 1369.0787I- I never as- as long as I could recall,1372.6936 
1069 1373.2289anyone ever making her feel unwelcomed or,1377.5030 
1071 1378.0799uh, in any way1379.4612 
1073 1379.6626different than the other ch-1380.9380 
1074DTA_int_011381.2126[Mm-hm.]1381.4688
1075DTA_se3_ag3_m_021381.2248[children.]1381.7739
1076 1382.8784Um.1383.5802
1078 1384.4801She graduated from high school1386.4083 
1080 1387.0208uh1387.7774 
1082 1388.1510as I said1388.8893 
1084 1389.5178but uh1390.3416 
1086 1391.0207she's one that I'll always remember1392.9816 
1088 1393.0823from that end, I- my personal opinion was that1396.3915 
1090 1396.5684she wasn't very bright.1398.1766 
1091DTA_int_011398.3048Mm-hm.1398.5427
1093 1400.4968Um.1400.8338 
1095 1401.0046W- what about /n-/1401.9444 
1097 1402.2129who would be some people1403.2075 
1099 1403.7169maybe uh, in this- the class that1405.9502 
1101 1406.8769would hold1407.4200 
1103 1409.0150uh, less respect?1410.0463 
1105 1410.1974S- let's say from the other students.1411.5901 
1107 1412.4735Uh.1412.7619 
1109 1414.2695Why would- wha- what would cause1415.5119 
1111 1415.8231the other students to lose respect for a person in the class?1418.6810 
1112DTA_se3_ag3_m_021419.5353Well, one thing1420.7390
1114 1421.6733uh was the- the tendency on the part of the boys to, um,1425.5115 
1116 1426.7916gamble.1427.2676 
1117DTA_int_011427.6215Mm-hm.1427.8595
1118DTA_se3_ag3_m_021428.5308Uh. It wasn't a- a big kind of gambling, it was a1431.7482
1120 1431.8520matching pennies, do you know how the game [goes?]1434.2571 
1121DTA_int_011434.0741[Yeah.]1434.3029
1122 1434.5844[Yeah.]1434.7759
1123DTA_se3_ag3_m_021434.7240[Well,]1435.0969
1124 1435.5729uh, there were a group of boys around who1438.7220
1126 1439.2468who1439.5519 
1128 1440.2720m- frequently1441.1690 
1130 1441.6116would have a handful of pennies and they might be at the back of the classroom, uh, matching pennies, something like that.1448.2135 
1132 1449.0207Uh,1449.8079 
1134 1450.3191profanity was a- another thing that, um,1453.3641 
1136 1453.6861sort of separated some I mean, if a person were inclined towards profanity, they-1458.7793 
1138 1459.3834they weren't as- as well received as the others.1462.0112 
1139DTA_int_011462.0783Mm-hm.1462.3041
1140DTA_se3_ag3_m_021462.7983Um.1463.4940
1142 1465.4084/Uh/ strangely enough, the drinking1467.3427 
1144 1467.7128wasn't the thing that separated the friendlies from the unfriendlies because1471.8414 
1146 1472.4089at that time, uh, there was no rule about, uh, being twenty-one and, uh,1478.2122 
1148 1478.7615<ts> all of us drank. One1480.6837 
1150 1481.1899of the fellows1482.1113 
1152 1482.4714had an uncle1483.4965 
1154 1483.9596I think it was his uncle, it may have been his father who owned a tavern.1488.1640 
1155DTA_int_011488.3470Mm-hm.1488.6643
1156DTA_se3_ag3_m_021489.1668And uh1490.1675
1158 1491.3819we1491.8380 
1160 1492.3669I know on one occasion, we had a class play1495.3060 
1162 1495.8002and after the play was over,1497.6265 
1164 1497.7486uh and we were in this1499.2485 
1166 1499.5170celebrating mood1500.8716 
1168 1501.9130somehow he went1503.5250 
1170 1503.6810to this place and opened the tavern up and we had the [place to ourselves] and we had a singing ball.1509.1749 
1171DTA_int_011506.6361[<laugh>]1507.2463
1172DTA_se3_ag3_m_021510.7141Um.1511.4650
1174 1511.6908That's where I learned the song, uh, Schnitzelbank song.1515.1491 
1175DTA_int_011515.2498Oh.1515.5366
1177 1517.6777<laugh>1518.3954 
1179 1520.1189Um, let's see, in1521.3150 
1181 1521.9207five minutes1522.8502 
1183 1523.0821what time will it be?1524.0219 
1185 1524.6260how1524.8579 
1187 1525.1462[/inaudible/]1525.4940 
1188DTA_se3_ag3_m_021525.2667[In five] minutes, it will be, uh, seven- six forty five.1530.7983
1189DTA_int_011530.8363Uh-huh.1531.0621
1191 1531.2574[Would you say] it any other way? With like- with a quarter?1533.3242 
1192DTA_se3_ag3_m_021531.2651[Uh-huh.]1531.5786
1193 1533.4279Yeah, oh, you could say it'll be a quarter to seven.1535.9908
1194DTA_int_011536.1739Uh.1536.3281
1195DTA_se3_ag3_m_021536.4490[/?/]1536.8152
1196DTA_int_011536.4490[Okay.]1536.6851
1197 1537.4559Yeah. Some people say quarter of or1538.8893
1199 1539.0363[quarter til so] we want to get that1540.4111 
1200DTA_se3_ag3_m_021539.0747[Mm-hm.]1539.6788
1201DTA_int_011540.6308variation.1541.0762
1203 1542.1362Um,1542.4718 
1205 1543.2529is there a1544.3269 
1207 1545.5786well, a group of people that you're probably quite close to now?1548.7612 
1209 1549.1639Uh. Maybe you do things together, maybe you get together for an evening.1551.7817 
1210DTA_se3_ag3_m_021551.9275Yes.1552.5072
1211DTA_int_011552.9587And,1553.3310
1213 1553.8375uh,1554.1060 
1215 1554.5697are these people who- uh,1555.4606 
1217 1556.0830well,1556.3882 
1219 1557.5080are the same occupation as you or w-1559.2743 
1221 1559.4970w- tell me a little bit about them.1560.6985 
1222DTA_se3_ag3_m_021561.8660Well, um.1563.0076
1224 1564.6735One man uh works for the same concern that I work for.1568.4756 
1225DTA_int_011568.5244Mm-hm.1568.7382
1226DTA_se3_ag3_m_021569.0006He's in a different, uh,1570.4468
1228 1571.2998location1572.0869 
1229DTA_int_011572.3981Mm-hm.1572.5873
1230DTA_se3_ag3_m_021572.6727but he works in the same business.1574.8406
1232 1575.5058Uh.1575.9512 
1234 1577.0496There are1578.1053 
1236 1580.6507let's see,1581.2624 
1238 1585.2407three1585.6923 
1240 1585.9120school teachers1586.9554 
1242 1588.7828and one1589.7738 
1244 1589.9996accountant.1590.9332 
1246 1593.3008And one recreation director.1595.5236 
1248 1597.4161Well, no, he dropped out of this group, but I mean, he was part of the group for a long time.1602.0904 
1249DTA_int_011602.3751Mm-hm.1602.5886
1250DTA_se3_ag3_m_021603.1073Um.1603.8335
1252 1606.2843Social workers1607.4620 
1254 1607.9168<ts> like that.1608.6063 
1255DTA_int_011608.8626Mm-hm.1609.0884
1256DTA_se3_ag3_m_021609.3996Now, uh1610.3942
1258 1611.0247you said tell you a little about each of [them?]1613.2043 
1259DTA_int_011612.8513[Well, just]1613.3173
1260 1613.5019uh, maybe1614.1441
1262 1614.2341what are some of your-1615.0355 
1264 1615.1530what are some of the things that you do together?1616.6835 
1265DTA_se3_ag3_m_021616.9741Well,1617.2571
1267 1617.6454W- uh this club meets once a month during the, uh,1621.7555 
1269 1621.8898winter time, that is from, um,1623.9646 
1271 1624.2392September to May.1626.2773 
1273 1626.9974And we play bridge.1628.1775 
1274DTA_int_011628.3788Hm.1628.5802
1275DTA_se3_ag3_m_021629.0684First we have dinner.1630.8990
1277 1631.3642Then we play bridge.1632.6335 
1279 1633.1084And, uh,1633.9513 
1281 1634.2190there's1634.8421 
1283 1635.0618usually1635.7811 
1285 1636.9862some drinks1638.2638 
1286DTA_int_011638.5819Mm-hm.1638.8260
1287DTA_se3_ag3_m_021638.8345I have a bourbon, scotch, and1640.9703
1289 1641.7814uh1642.5910 
1291 1643.9756and the mixes.1644.9763 
1293 1645.1899It's usually those two drinks.1647.1245 
1294DTA_int_011647.3258Mm-hm.1647.5760
1295DTA_se3_ag3_m_021647.8567Um.1648.5829
1297 1650.5411The- the uh, excuse for getting together, of course, is playing bridge, now1655.0588 
1298DTA_int_011655.0457Hm.1655.2550
1299DTA_se3_ag3_m_021655.3944we've been playing for five or six years1658.1885
1301 1658.9093continually.1659.7567 
1303 1660.7625But, um,1661.6840 
1305 1663.3865we're not serious bridge players in that uh,1666.7473 
1307 1666.8843uh,1667.3865 
1309 1667.4703we- we play an informal type of bridge, I mean, just for the fun of it.1671.5078 
1311 1672.0997And, um,1672.9418 
1312DTA_int_011673.2125A lot of good talk and,1674.1967
1314 1674.7259[/inaudible/]1675.4299 
1315DTA_se3_ag3_m_021674.8855[Well yes], i- the game get's uh, get's a little- you get a little concentrated on it after1680.4297
1316 1680.6554you know, the first1681.2164
1318 1681.9188rubber.1682.4741 
1320 1682.8233But uh, i- it's not a, uh, vindictive kind of bridge [playing, I mean] if a person makes a mistake, uh it's- it doesn't matter.1691.7292 
1321DTA_int_011687.2562[<laugh>]1687.9281
1322DTA_se3_ag3_m_021691.9855Uh. Then at the end of the evening,1694.1634
1324 1694.6577uh, the scores are counted and1696.5804 
1326 1696.7451the prizes are awarded to the two1698.8809 
1328 1699.5638with the highest [scores.]1700.9384 
1329DTA_int_011700.8987[Hm.]1701.1076
1330DTA_se3_ag3_m_021701.4737And then we1702.4562
1332 1702.6988say good night and1703.7178 
1334 1705.1885we don't, uh, usually see these people1708.2612 
1336 1708.5114between1709.2986 
1338 1709.5244times except the one man that I might run into on the job, or maybe1713.4539 
1340 1713.7651on the street or1714.9855 
1342 1715.4615uh, at some other gathering, but1717.3790 
1344 1717.8550t- uh1718.1205 
1346 1718.3097we- we don't continue the relationship1721.1350 
1348 1721.3974between1722.1846 
1350 1722.5751the times that we meet, and we meet at um1725.7662 
1352 1726.0224each person's house in rotation.1728.0160 
1354 1728.3028And uh, the club has to have uh,1730.8474 
1356 1731.2976I mean the people have to be1732.5094 
1358 1732.8328couples,1733.4782 
1360 1733.5637[married] couples because they- um,1735.7823 
1361DTA_int_011733.5637[Oh.]1733.8921
1362DTA_se3_ag3_m_021736.3939they, uh,1737.1201
1364 1737.3895make up the number of tables that we need.1740.3383 
1366 1740.7960And if, uh, one person is without a-1743.3909 
1368 1743.7143a partner, then that uh1745.4473 
1370 1745.9294leaves them short, you see. So1747.7490 
1372 1748.1639the- the club is- is composed of all couples.1750.9160 
1373DTA_int_011751.2900Oh, I see.1751.7264
1375 1752.3097Are they um1752.9803 
1377 1753.2397mostly your age?1754.2746 
1379 1754.6591Uh,1754.8849 
1380DTA_se3_ag3_m_021755.2571[Yes. Uh. M-] very close.1757.7698
1381DTA_int_011755.2571[or what? older, younger, or?]1756.5951
1382DTA_se3_ag3_m_021758.0292The ages are very close.1759.5980
1383DTA_int_011760.3877Uh. What about, do any of the people in the group speak other languages like1763.7747
1385 1764.2141well, Polish or Hungarian or1765.8312 
1387 1766.3987languages like this?1767.1313 
1388DTA_se3_ag3_m_021767.5459[No.]1768.0411
1389DTA_int_011767.9795[German?]1768.3808
1390DTA_se3_ag3_m_021768.6920Uh. A- As a matter of fact,1770.1765
1392 1770.9071I would suspect that, uh,1772.7095 
1394 1773.2495mm, several of them or most of them have studied a foreign language. But uh1777.8688 
1396 1778.1673i- we don't speak it or they don't speak it even uh in- in other1782.6670 
1398 1782.8378occasions.1783.6677 
1400 1784.4237So that, um,1785.5221 
1402 1785.8455I doubt whether, uh,1787.3283 
1404 1788.5583I could put my finger on1790.0842 
1406 1790.3683what language any of them1792.0891 
1408 1792.4065uh would be proficient in.1793.9747 
1409DTA_int_011794.1827I see.1794.5916
1411 1794.8295Let n- uh. For example the1796.2210 
1413 1796.8861uh1797.3009 
1415 1797.9296m- like over in Hamtramck, there's a-1799.9372 
1417 1800.2179there are Polish1800.9684 
1419 1801.1515[you know] that1801.8382 
1420DTA_se3_ag3_m_021801.1547[Mm-hm.]1801.6856
1421DTA_int_011802.0396speak m- it natively.1803.3553
1423 1804.0378I was [thinking more] i- in this sense, you know, where they speak another language natively.1807.8910 
1424DTA_se3_ag3_m_021804.1488[Mm-hm.]1804.5577
1425 1808.6705<ts>1808.7498
1427 1808.8823No.1809.5291 
1428DTA_int_011809.7610Oh, okay.1810.4828
1430 1810.7635Um. Are there any, uh,1811.9883 
1432 1812.2019like Jewish people or other white people in the group at all?1815.2134 
1433DTA_se3_ag3_m_021815.3721No.1815.9376
1434DTA_int_011816.1694Uh-huh.1816.5050
1436 1817.0725Um.1817.4448 
1438 1817.8475In-1818.4028 
1440 1818.6713in this group, is there's one person that1820.4618 
1442 1820.8096everyone kind of uh, looks to for leadership?1823.5131 
1444 1824.0196or maybe it isn't that type of group that you would have, you know, one1827.3941 
1446 1827.8440uh, leader or a president or something like this?1829.9110 
1447DTA_se3_ag3_m_021830.3931Well, we- we don't have uh, we don't have any formal organization.1833.7562
1448DTA_int_011834.0796[Mm-hm.]1834.4153
1449DTA_se3_ag3_m_021834.2078[And] uh suggestions are thrown around1837.2071
1450 1837.6770right and left.1838.6106
1452 1838.8059[Uh.] Anyone can come in with a suggestion.1841.4566 
1453DTA_int_011838.8059[Hm.]1839.1627
1454DTA_se3_ag3_m_021841.9082And uh, the others consider it, now I don't think that there's1845.5429
1456 1845.9030any one person in the group who is uh, listened to more than uh any other person.1851.6073 
1457DTA_int_011851.7294Hm.1851.9490
1458DTA_se3_ag3_m_021852.6934It's- it's a very democratic relaxed [group of] people. I- I- I enjoy being with them.1858.0999
1459DTA_int_011854.8996[<laugh>]1855.3916
1460 1858.3867Uh-huh.1858.6393
1461DTA_se3_ag3_m_021858.7675It's- it's one of, uh, my uh,1861.3548
1463 1861.8918best social outlets because uh,1864.0628 
1465 1864.9893uh, in all the time that we've been1866.9664 
1467 1867.8634together,1868.6689 
1469 1869.1684uh1869.9372 
1471 1870.1630w- we- we've had a closer1872.5063 
1473 1873.0404friendship for the time that we1875.2982 
1475 1875.5850were together1876.5639 
1476DTA_int_011876.5145Mm-hm.1876.7922
1477DTA_se3_ag3_m_021877.0861than uh, any other group I've ever been in. And, uh,1880.1042
1479 1880.8670while we don't1881.6280 
1481 1881.7382p- get together with, um,1883.8117 
1483 1884.0244these people between times, still1886.5510 
1485 1886.8317we do feel a closeness to them anyways.1889.1506 
1486DTA_int_011889.1506Mm.1889.3398
1488 1889.8798Good.1890.2413 
1490 1891.4572Um.1891.8599 
1492 1892.8463When you were in, uh,1893.7861 
1494 1894.3190well, let's say in high school,1895.5029 
1496 1896.1741uh,1896.5524 
1498 1897.8278what did you want to be1898.7982 
1500 1898.9386when you uh1899.6159 
1502 1899.8865got out of school, like finished college and so forth. Did you have an idea of what you were aiming towards?1904.1952 
1503DTA_se3_ag3_m_021905.6628Yes,1906.5525
1505 1906.6857um,1907.6704 
1507 1907.9694I had the idea to be a- uh, a1910.9303 
1509 1911.2232a social worker [in high] school. I- uh,1913.9386 
1510DTA_int_011912.3340[Mm-hm.]1912.6025
1511DTA_se3_ag3_m_021914.1583I think that, uh,1915.3671
1513 1915.8809the1916.3739 
1515 1918.1275m- my inclination was1920.0525 
1517 1920.3393in that direction.1921.5890 
1519 1921.9551Uh,1922.5228 
1521 1922.6571particularly because of the surroundings that, uh, I lived in.1927.0717 
1522DTA_int_011927.2974Uh-huh.1927.5049
1523DTA_se3_ag3_m_021927.6025Um.1928.2372
1525 1928.8596The people who had the most influence on my life at that time1933.8486 
1527 1935.2212were people,1936.0511 
1529 1936.2402uh, who were altruistic.1938.3092 
1531 1939.1526Uh.1939.3112 
1533 1939.8846They um1940.8915 
1535 1941.7031were dedicated to the service of other people.1944.3881 
1536DTA_int_011944.5833Mm-hm.1944.9106
1537DTA_se3_ag3_m_021945.2041And I was brought up with that idea, so that1947.6327
1539 1948.5051when I graduated from high school and went to college, I enrolled immediately in the1953.2027 
1541 1953.3370sociology courses.1955.0395 
1542DTA_int_011955.2484Mm.1955.5338
1543DTA_se3_ag3_m_021955.8569And, uh, a-1956.9553
1545 1957.1750had a minor in education.1958.9202 
1546DTA_int_011959.2163Mm-hm.1959.5019
1547DTA_se3_ag3_m_021959.9816So that, um,1961.0494
1549 1963.3561I1963.9114 
1551 1964.4256graduated1965.4584 
1553 1965.9633prepared to teach.1967.1176 
1554DTA_int_011967.3190Mm-hm.1967.5448
1555DTA_se3_ag3_m_021969.0041And, um,1969.9134
1557 1970.7249uh,1971.4267 
1559 1972.3807so I would say that uh, I was inclined in that direction1975.7532 
1561 1975.9973from the beginning.1976.9858 
1562DTA_int_011978.5882Uh.1978.8855
1564 1979.5962Well, maybe I should ask in this way, wh- wh- what work are you engaged in now?1982.8060 
1565DTA_se3_ag3_m_021983.8379Well,1984.1796
1567 1984.4115now, I'm engaged (laughing) in a- uh, in a sort of1987.9256 
1569 1988.0955social work, it's not1989.8234 
1571 1990.3838what you would call1991.4146 
1573 1991.5732social case work.1992.8734 
1574DTA_int_011992.9584Mm-hm.1993.2025
1575DTA_se3_ag3_m_021993.8127But1994.3806
1577 1994.6412I work for the,1995.9574 
1579 1996.1629 um,1996.8685 
1581 1997.5825City of Detroit1998.7314 
1583 1999.4210in uh2000.6188 
1585 2000.7469the housing commission.2001.8882 
1586DTA_int_012002.1018Mm.2002.3762
1587DTA_se3_ag3_m_022002.6996Now,2003.1967
1589 2003.5323the division that I'm assigned to is2006.4734 
1591 2006.5647relocation.2007.6346 
1592DTA_int_012007.9094Hm.2008.1350
1593DTA_se3_ag3_m_022008.3120Uh. It's our responsibility to2011.3079
1595 2011.8204find, uh, decent, safe and sanitary2014.7885 
1597 2015.3499housing for the2016.8327 
1599 2017.2501families and individuals who are displaced2020.3133 
1601 2020.8860because of urban renewal.2022.5214 
1602DTA_int_012022.6826Mm-hm.2022.9328
1603DTA_se3_ag3_m_022023.6956Uh- I- I got into that,2026.0421
1605 2026.5379uh, as a result of2028.3990 
1607 2028.7713working for the housing commission in the public housing projects.2032.6844 
1608DTA_int_012032.6844Mm-hm.2033.0200
1609DTA_se3_ag3_m_022033.2805Now in- in the housing projects,2035.4730
1611 2035.9553I was a housing aid.2037.4442 
1613 2038.7472And the duties there2040.4863 
1615 2042.2339uh2043.1004 
1617 2043.9425consisted of2044.8761 
1619 2046.3757tenant relations more- more than anything2049.2498 
1621 2049.6830to- to2050.4098 
1623 2050.5125solve the problems of the tenants as they related to the management.2054.7707 
1624DTA_int_012055.2894Mm-hm.2055.5213
1625DTA_se3_ag3_m_022055.5966As they related to other tenants2057.8239
1627 2058.2938and as they related to2060.1610 
1629 2060.4925other agencies, for example2062.6282 
1631 2063.0066um2063.5191 
1633 2063.9542the2064.3752 
1635 2064.6010public assistance agencies,2066.5720 
1637 2067.0488or the schools.2068.4794 
1638DTA_int_012068.8733[Mm-hm.]2069.1235
1639DTA_se3_ag3_m_022069.0991[And] so forth. Where- where ever,2070.9847
1640 2071.5047uh, we could be of help2073.4574
1642 2073.7930to the tenants2074.8461 
1644 2075.2244in solving a problem,2076.9086 
1646 2077.3845uh, we acted as liaison or as a referral2081.7381 
1648 2082.3788uh, resource to- to get the person lined up with the service they needed.2087.2258 
1649DTA_int_012087.4943Mm-hm.2087.8421
1650DTA_se3_ag3_m_022088.0435I, um,2088.9466
1652 2089.2456also2090.0990 
1654 2090.4041did quite a bit of, um,2091.9168 
1656 2093.9427uh advising and homemaking, inspection- inspecting2097.9493 
1658 2098.3235units that uh the tenants occupied2101.2721 
1660 2101.6440to see that they were using the facilities properly.2105.0063 
1661DTA_int_012105.1344Mm-hm.2105.4456
1662DTA_se3_ag3_m_022105.6714Uh. And that they um,2107.7520
1664 2108.4782uh knew how to take care of the equipment.2111.5127 
1666 2115.1309Um.2115.8204 
1668 2118.5627We did a lot of leasing.2120.1065 
1670 2120.4807Explaining the terms and conditions under which the2124.3678 
1672 2124.6363people were renting the homes.2126.3908 
1673DTA_int_012126.5800Mm-hm.2126.8668
1674DTA_se3_ag3_m_022127.7416Well, um,2128.8094
1676 2130.2257when the urban renewal program started, they2132.8075 
1678 2133.0577looked around for people to, uh,2135.2901 
1680 2135.7965move into the2136.7180 
1682 2137.0780i- to build up the urban renewal division, and particularly relocation.2142.2794 
1684 2143.0649And, uh,2143.9436 
1686 2144.4789I started there with the supervisor, he and I were2147.8098 
1688 2148.4200uh2148.9905 
1690 2149.6678the- the first two on the staff, now he's the-2152.6834 
1692 2153.6841the- uh,2154.7520 
1694 2155.7161he's the supervisor in charge of the division and I'm his assistant and then we have2160.5597 
1696 2161.1272people who work in the various project site offices who work directly with the people.2166.9025 
1697DTA_int_012167.2644Mm-hm.2167.5310
1699 2169.9945I understand that's quite a2171.0013 
1701 2171.9652hot2172.2642 
1703 2173.0087debate going on about this2174.4244 
1705 2175.6236project done- It's been done by Wayne State?2177.3383 
1706DTA_se3_ag3_m_022177.6373[<ts> Yes um.]2178.6362
1707DTA_int_012177.7113[Wayne /???/]2178.6362
1708DTA_se3_ag3_m_022178.8498That's [the um]2179.9460
1709DTA_int_012179.3502[/at large/?]2180.0885
1710DTA_se3_ag3_m_022180.3487University City Project Number Two.2182.9397
1711DTA_int_012183.0617Hm.2183.2509
1712DTA_se3_ag3_m_022183.6658The,2183.9648
1714 2184.2821uh, first part,2185.7280 
1716 2185.9031The University City Project Number One has been cleared totally.2189.9654 
1717DTA_int_012190.1586Hm.2190.3681
1718DTA_se3_ag3_m_022190.5207And the- the discussion now is2193.1841
1720 2193.6723whether or not2194.6857 
1722 2194.8932there- the city will agree2196.8032 
1724 2197.4353to have, uh, residential2199.5508 
1726 2199.8193buildings, uh, put2201.5279 
1728 2202.6983mixed in with the, uh, university use in, uh, University City Number Two.2207.4875 
1729DTA_int_012207.6583Oh.2207.9024
1730DTA_se3_ag3_m_022208.2869There are groups in the area who insist that, um,2211.3892
1732 2212.3594they should do it because the housing is needed.2214.6368 
1733DTA_int_012214.8077Mm-hm.2215.0456
1734DTA_se3_ag3_m_022215.5826And uh2216.5346
1736 2217.0716as I understand it, the2218.5366 
1738 2219.1102original reuse plan didn't call for very much,2222.0288 
1740 2222.6390uh, housing, especially for people not connected with the university.2227.0175 
1741DTA_int_012227.2250Mm-hm.2227.4569
1742DTA_se3_ag3_m_022228.0976So, um,2228.9886
1744 2230.1451the2230.6577 
1746 2230.8591uh discussions are going on and it's my feeling that the city will concede2236.4772 
1748 2236.9349and they they will put in housing for the2239.6748 
1750 2240.2179uh displaced people and for other low income groups as well2245.0050 
1751DTA_int_012245.1637Hm.2245.3407
1752DTA_se3_ag3_m_022245.4017in some sections of the uh2247.3670
1753DTA_int_012247.4219It seems [pretty basic] you know, yeah.2249.2525
1754DTA_se3_ag3_m_022247.8979[projects.]2248.3862
1755 2249.3319Yeah, well, i- [it um, i- it] is, it's- it's something2252.8659
1756DTA_int_012250.2070[/Very positive/.]2251.1223
1757DTA_se3_ag3_m_022253.2259that's needed,2253.9398
1759 2254.3792uh, at this time, at the time that the project was originally conceived.2258.9494 
1760DTA_int_012259.0709Mm-hm.2259.3410
1761DTA_se3_ag3_m_022259.5169There was an abundance of relocation housing.2262.9632
1763 2263.3781And uh, there was no problem really,2266.0827 
1765 2266.3329but2266.5830 
1767 2266.7356about eighteen months ago,2268.3954 
1769 2268.8493the uh, balance changed.2271.1560 
1770DTA_int_012271.3695Mm.2271.5770
1771DTA_se3_ag3_m_022271.5770And the housing market grew tighter.2274.2969
1772DTA_int_012274.5288Oh yeah.2274.9102
1773DTA_se3_ag3_m_022274.8630And when that happened, well people began to be apprehensive as to where they were gonna move and these groups formed2281.3205
1774 2281.8009in order to see that, uh,2283.6978
1776 2284.4503adequate housing would be provided.2286.3481 
1777DTA_int_012286.7307Hm.2286.9278
1779 2289.0803Well, you're-2289.5014 
1781 2290.2703you have a big job on your hands huh?2291.7897 
1782DTA_se3_ag3_m_022292.4677Well, it's very interesting, no two days are alike.2295.1587
1783DTA_int_012295.2782Yeah.2295.6138
1785 2295.7262/??/2296.4279 
1787 2299.0017Um.2299.3922 
1789 2299.7949If- uh, let's say that2301.0642 
1791 2301.7110uh, that you could go2302.6752 
1793 2303.2175back to grade school again.2304.4304 
1795 2304.7905i- if you had a- to- to do it all over again, would you do anything differently?2308.0533 
1797 2308.8701Would you make any different decisions2310.3244 
1799 2311.1384about your2311.5228 
1800DTA_se3_ag3_m_022311.8524[Oh] my golly, /?/ (laughing)2313.8880
1801DTA_int_012311.8646[life?]2312.1209
1802 2314.2114[<laugh>]2314.8644
1803DTA_se3_ag3_m_022314.4921[I don't think] that's a fair [question.]2316.7194
1804DTA_int_012316.2801[<laugh>]2316.8598
1805DTA_se3_ag3_m_022317.3127Do you really?2318.1253
1806DTA_int_012319.2481I don't know.2319.6569
1808 2321.2958I- maybe it isn't.2322.1562 
1809DTA_se3_ag3_m_022322.5163Well,2322.7420
1811 2323.2837[actually] in the light of a- of a person's experience, i- they couldn't help but say that there are certain things that they'd do differently.2330.3446 
1812DTA_int_012323.4987[/?/]2323.7091
1813 2330.4395Uh-huh.2330.6680
1815 2330.9975Would your want to do anything different?2332.6657 
1816DTA_se3_ag3_m_022333.9209[Well.]2334.4334
1817DTA_int_012333.9209[/?/ That's] a better way to say it.2335.3183
1818 2336.0632Would you want to change some things in your life?2338.1197
1819DTA_se3_ag3_m_022338.9007Certainly. I- I'm certain that I would and I'd like to see the man who would, uh, would live a life and say uh, I wouldn't want to change a thing. I mean he's pretty happy.2348.3001
1820DTA_int_012348.5503Uh-huh.2348.7699
1822 2351.0202Um.2351.3849 
1824 2351.5008Here's another one that's kind of uh2353.3756 
1826 2354.4572well, it's kind of an impossible situation, but suppose you had all the financial security that you could ever want. What would you-2359.6093 
1828 2359.9144what would you do2360.4256 
1830 2361.2250with this?2361.7451 
1832 2361.9944<laugh>2362.1774 
1833DTA_se3_ag3_m_022363.7893Well, in- in light of previous experiences, I would say that2367.6618
1835 2368.0584uh, my first inclination would be to travel.2370.7617 
1836DTA_int_012370.9691Mm-hm.2371.2111
1837DTA_se3_ag3_m_022373.5771And, um,2374.5257
1839 2376.1672we've discussed, uh,2377.4426 
1841 2378.5305things like this,2379.7570 
1843 2380.1720my wife and I, and, uh,2381.6564 
1845 2382.5229she's inclined to see America first2384.8540 
1846DTA_int_012385.1829Mm-hm.2385.4392
1847DTA_se3_ag3_m_022385.6145and uh2386.6413
1849 2387.1889I think that there are places that I would rather see first.2390.3610 
1850DTA_int_012390.5523Mm-hm.2390.7882
1851DTA_se3_ag3_m_022391.6913But uh, I think that we generally agree that2394.7493
1853 2395.2465we'd make arrangements to see as much as what there is to see as we could.2400.0591 
1854DTA_int_012400.4278Mm-hm.2400.6536
1856 2402.6267Um.2402.9135 
1858 2403.4641What do they call this part of town2405.0202 
1860 2405.3674here, that2406.0775 
1862 2406.5229you live in. Is there any special name for the neighborhood?2408.4939 
1863DTA_se3_ag3_m_022409.2594No, thi- this particular neighborhood2411.8406
1865 2412.2800doesn't have a, uh, subdivision title.2415.3292 
1867 2416.1774Uh. Some of the neighborhoods2418.5023 
1869 2418.8684around here do, but, uh,2421.2055 
1871 2421.8097but this is just the- um,2423.8173 
1873 2425.3796the, uh, boulevard Dexter2428.0106 
1874DTA_int_012428.3082[Mm-hm.]2428.6499
1875DTA_se3_ag3_m_022428.3279[Joy Road] area. I mean, it's- it's just designated by the2432.3052
1876 2432.8422main boundaries of the neighborhood,2434.7705
1877DTA_int_012435.1305I see.2435.5272
1879 2437.4625Um. How large would this2438.9923 
1881 2439.1540would the neighborhood be then?2440.3841 
1883 2441.2522Um. /?/2441.6611 
1885 2442.1798I- It probably does-2442.9484 
1887 2443.9616probably varies from individual to individual, but what-2445.8037 
1889 2446.3041what would your estimate be of boundaries?2448.9280 
1890DTA_se3_ag3_m_022449.6786I would say that this is about a two square mile area.2452.8717
1892 2453.1218It's about two miles from here2454.9211 
1894 2455.3482down to, um,2456.5878 
1896 2456.8746the, uh, West Grand Boulevard.2458.7480 
1898 2459.3521And uh, it's about uh2461.2980 
1900 2462.2011two miles over to the Chrysler- uh what is that thing?2466.4254 
1902 2467.4689The Chrysler Freeway.2468.6827 
1903DTA_int_012468.7824Hm.2469.0122
1904DTA_se3_ag3_m_022469.4645Mm-hm.2469.9282
1906 2470.8008[Approximately.]2471.5446 
1907DTA_int_012470.9009[I-]2471.1420
1908 2472.2250Ho- ho- and how do you say the name of the city we live in?2474.3120
1909DTA_se3_ag3_m_022474.8123This is Detroit.2475.8367
1910DTA_int_012476.0182Yeah.2476.2257
1912 2476.4988Okay.2476.6575 
1914 2477.7939That fellow there from Pennsylvania says Detroit, so [<laugh>] we get variations. [<laugh>]2482.6200 
1915DTA_se3_ag3_m_022480.4544[Well.]2480.7534
1917 2482.0647[Mm-hm.]2482.6505 
1918DTA_int_012483.8770Um,2484.2310
1920 2484.3774what are the2485.2446 
1922 2485.5985large streets in Detroit?2487.1423 
1923DTA_se3_ag3_m_022488.6440Well, there's Woodward Avenue.2490.1634
1924DTA_int_012490.5678Mm-hm.2490.7631
1925DTA_se3_ag3_m_022491.0604There's Michigan Avenue.2492.4316
1927 2493.6276And2494.0792 
1929 2494.5186there's2494.9640 
1931 2495.6159East Jefferson.2496.5922 
1933 2497.7883Um, there's, um,2499.3748 
1935 2501.8017Gratiot.2502.2898 
1937 2503.6668And, um,2504.7164 
1939 2505.4106of course, the various mile roads.2507.4311 
1940DTA_int_012507.5776Mm-hm.2507.8094
1941DTA_se3_ag3_m_022508.4197And there's, um,2509.6584
1943 2511.0796the-2511.2768 
1945 2511.4721the Grand Boulevard, East and West.2513.5388 
1947 2514.2311And there's Outer Drive, East and West.2516.2753 
1949 2517.0197Those-2517.5064 
1951 2517.7199Those are2518.2630 
1953 2518.5864the main streets. /Now/ there are2520.8291 
1955 2521.4806those sub-streets that2523.0000 
1957 2523.5248are not, uh, as wide or as heavily traveled.2527.4364 
1958DTA_int_012527.7477Mm-hm.2527.9551
1959DTA_se3_ag3_m_022528.1077Uh.2528.7484
1961 2529.9438Would you like for me to name some of those?2531.6517 
1962DTA_int_012532.0223Uh.2532.3519
1964 2533.1818Well, you hit the main ones that we're lo- we're looking for2535.7527 
1965DTA_se3_ag3_m_022535.8809[Mm-hm.]2536.2958
1966DTA_int_012536.1097[What] about uh, the2537.2587
1967 2537.8323large, very large arteries?2539.3837
1969 2539.6687you mentioned one of them already2540.9696 
1971 2541.5585in an earlier2542.4696 
1973 2543.1469discussion.2543.6839 
1974DTA_se3_ag3_m_022545.3101I'm trying to think of which one it was.2546.9821
1975DTA_int_012547.6900Well, uh2548.3429
1977 2548.9075for example, it comes in from Lansing.2550.5917 
1978DTA_se3_ag3_m_022552.5322From Lansing.2553.9133
1979DTA_int_012554.1307The very large arteries.2555.4121
1980DTA_se3_ag3_m_022555.7477Grand River?2556.4312
1981DTA_int_012557.6036No, i- it would be a2559.2566
1983 2559.6540see Grand River has two-way traffic on it. This is,2561.8347 
1985 2561.9995you know, separated and2563.0127 
1987 2564.3406four lanes going each way from-2566.1975 
1989 2567.2563there are multiple lanes on it.2568.4647 
1990DTA_se3_ag3_m_022568.7879Wait a minute now. I- you're- you're asking me for a word and I'm trying to give it to you to see if I can2573.7238
1992 2574.2129recall. From Lansing.2575.7808 
1994 2577.3854Hm.2577.6844 
1996 2580.6011By grams, I can't think of it.2582.4376 
1998 2582.9390I'm sorry.2583.5568 
1999DTA_int_012583.9167Well you- th-2584.5446
2001 2584.9052some people call them highways.2586.1340 
2003 2586.6283And uh, some of them call them [freeways.]2588.5749 
2004DTA_se3_ag3_m_022588.3979[Northwestern?]2589.1851
2005DTA_int_012590.8291Yeah, well that too.2592.2509
2007 2593.4694Uh, but I was thinking of the three main ones, come right down into town, you know?2596.6546 
2009 2597.0224One comes down and then it hits2598.3771 
2011 2598.9401another one that crosses it.2600.1178 
2013 2604.8768I'm probably just not making [/inaudible/.]2606.8105 
2014DTA_se3_ag3_m_022605.7799[Well, now when you say] from Lansing, I can only think of uh,2609.3352
2015 2609.7318uh, I've been to Lansing and uh i- I've been on the uh2613.8749
2017 2614.2231freeway.2614.8669 
2018DTA_int_012614.9981Yeah.2615.2333
2020 2615.4407Yeah, well this is what I'm talking about. When you get down in here- here in Detroit,2618.3691 
2022 2618.4795what do you call /the men that-/2619.5014 
2023DTA_se3_ag3_m_022619.4976Well, there's [the um] John C. Lodge Freeway2622.6988
2024DTA_int_012620.1444[/freeways/]2620.7191
2025DTA_se3_ag3_m_022623.1870and there's the Walter Chrysler Freeway.2625.7129
2026DTA_int_012626.0074Mm-hm.2626.2438
2027DTA_se3_ag3_m_022626.5245And there's the, uh, Edsel Ford Freeway.2629.3179
2028DTA_int_012629.7283Okay.2629.8687
2029DTA_se3_ag3_m_022630.7275And um.2631.7634
2031 2633.7595There- there's the proposed Jeffries2635.9685 
2033 2636.1818and the Fisher Freeways.2637.8416 
2034DTA_int_012638.0064Mm-hm.2638.2810
2036 2639.0748Um. I noticed you mentioned East Jefferson.2641.0031 
2038 2641.3204[is it]2641.9916 
2039DTA_se3_ag3_m_022641.4989[Mm-hm.]2641.9871
2040DTA_int_012642.2752wha- why did you2643.2936
2042 2643.4766why did you just mention East Jefferson? Is that a-2645.3751 
2043DTA_se3_ag3_m_022645.4422Well, East Jefferson is- is so much different2648.1716
2045 2648.4019than West Jefferson. [I mean] it uh2650.7685 
2046DTA_int_012649.6044[Oh.]2649.8516
2047DTA_se3_ag3_m_022651.1468the- the West Jefferson goes through,2653.6031
2049 2653.9753uh, an industrial2655.4826 
2050DTA_int_012656.1150[Hm.]2656.3980
2051DTA_se3_ag3_m_022656.1485[part] of the city and until you get2659.1501
2052 2659.3057out2659.8366
2054 2660.5932to um2661.5479 
2056 2662.6707oh almost to Outer Drive, out, uh, towards Ecorse,2666.9038 
2057DTA_int_012667.1296Mm-hm.2667.4164
2058DTA_se3_ag3_m_022667.6788you- you don't have uh th- the same type of street as you have on West Jefferson- on East Jefferson.2673.9312
2060 2674.3589See, uh,2675.1277 
2062 2675.4817East Jefferson, starting with the, uh, city county building,2678.7213 
2064 2679.2217and going east,2680.6989 
2066 2681.1444uh,2681.8584 
2068 2682.0353sort of maintains its character all the way out to- um,2685.7334 
2070 2686.2887to the uh, Alter Road, which is the city limits.2689.2915 
2071DTA_int_012689.6140I see.2689.8184
2072DTA_se3_ag3_m_022689.8145But West Jefferson,2691.3287
2073 2691.7436starting with, uh,2693.2503
2075 2694.3442Cobo Hall, I think it is2696.3033 
2077 2696.7244uh, you- you pass the um2699.1238 
2079 2699.3557l- the, um, freight docks2701.6928 
2081 2702.3199and uh the2703.7008 
2083 2704.1402boat loadings2705.2494 
2084DTA_int_012705.6460Oh [I.]2705.9267
2085DTA_se3_ag3_m_022705.8382[and] there- there piles of coal and uh2708.8275
2086 2709.4804sand and things like that going out, uh,2712.2444
2088 2713.3001West Jefferson.2714.2659 
2089DTA_int_012714.3849[Mm-hm.]2714.5649
2090DTA_se3_ag3_m_022714.3910[Then] there's um2715.6498
2091 2715.8298places like the2716.7740
2093 2717.1584Fort Wayne uh,2718.6052 
2095 2718.7764m- um, army2720.5798 
2097 2720.7995instillation.2721.7758 
2099 2722.4287And then further out, you come to the entrance of Zug2725.7048 
2101 2725.8471Island.2726.4695 
2102DTA_int_012726.9638Oh I.2727.3849
2103DTA_se3_ag3_m_022727.3971And [uh.]2728.6404
2104DTA_int_012727.9601[Is that a kind of] a vacation spot?2729.3178
2105DTA_se3_ag3_m_022729.3788No. Zug Island is a (laughing)2731.3837
2106DTA_int_012731.1457[I don't] I'm not that [familiar with /inaudible/.]2732.8567
2107DTA_se3_ag3_m_022732.0702[It's um.]2733.2692
2108DTA_int_012733.2692<laugh>2733.9492
2109DTA_se3_ag3_m_022733.9808I- some kind of a- it's a commercial instillation2737.4955
2110DTA_int_012737.5718Oh.2737.8403
2111DTA_se3_ag3_m_022737.9044having to do with um2739.4844
2113 2740.2167really, I don't know. I've never been out there, but it's, uh, it's a heavy industry.2745.4577 
2114DTA_int_012745.7226Oh.2745.9605
2115DTA_se3_ag3_m_022747.9306And uh2748.9313
2117 2749.5598after you get further out on Jefferson, you begin to reach the-2753.8229 
2119 2754.2012the, um,2754.8114 
2121 2755.4379river front2756.3980 
2122DTA_int_012756.6101Hm.2756.7413
2123DTA_se3_ag3_m_022756.8206developments and from there on out to Trenton, it's- it's a very pleasant street.2762.4799
2124DTA_int_012762.5041[Oh I see.]2762.9961
2125DTA_se3_ag3_m_022762.6078[But uh] other- other than- that other stretch is strictly industrial.2766.2513
2126DTA_int_012766.5707Uh-huh.2766.8070
2128 2768.1214Okay2768.3991 
2130 2768.8104Um.2769.1705 
2132 2769.4451Where were you born?2770.0961 
2133DTA_se3_ag3_m_022770.7468I was born in New Orleans.2772.2828
2134DTA_int_012772.2828New Orleans.2772.6642
2136 2772.7892Uh-huh.2773.0468 
2138 2773.7887Where else have you lived in Detroit?2775.3961 
2140 2777.1217Probably the s- the streets.2778.2811 
2141DTA_se3_ag3_m_022779.2700Oh I lived on Roosevelt Street,2781.7476
2143 2783.3295and I lived on North Field Street.2785.5873 
2145 2787.1456And I lived on Erskine Street.2788.8777 
2146DTA_int_012789.3609Mm-hm.2789.6311
2147DTA_se3_ag3_m_022791.7046[Those are] the streets [besides this street.]2794.3536
2148DTA_int_012791.9213[Yeah.]2792.1767
2150 2793.4841[Where-]2793.7380 
2152 2794.0729[Whereabouts] are they in-2794.9598 
2153 2795.0940in the city here?2795.9239
2154DTA_se3_ag3_m_022797.0861All of them are on the west side, with the exception of Erskine Street, which is on the east side.2802.3757
2155DTA_int_012802.4001Oh.2802.5862
2157 2804.1047Where else have you lived outside of Detroit then besides New Orleans?2806.7793 
2158DTA_se3_ag3_m_022807.4550I lived in Milwaukee2809.1065
2160 2809.4529for the most part.2810.4903 
2161DTA_int_012811.5796/I see/.2811.9666
2163 2812.7328And uh2813.2461 
2165 2813.3346where are some of the places that you've gone on tr- in- on trips?2816.4439 
2167 2816.8791Perhaps as a family.2817.8962 
2168DTA_se3_ag3_m_022819.4227Well, the first trip we went on as a family was to, um,2822.9330
2170 2823.5426Montreal and Quebec.2824.9040 
2171DTA_int_012825.3205Hm.2825.4975
2172DTA_se3_ag3_m_022826.2114And, um,2827.2333
2174 2827.9692we've gone to2829.0493 
2176 2829.3056Rochester, New York,2830.6851 
2178 2831.6187we've gone to Cleveland, Ohio,2833.4493 
2180 2834.9294and we've gone to Chicago, Illinois.2837.6021 
2182 2839.6750And uh, we had uh, one brief visit to Milwaukee.2843.2381 
2183DTA_int_012843.4394Mm-hm.2843.6683
2185 2846.1988Um.2846.5893 
2187 2847.5474Uh,2847.8098 
2189 2848.0422some special days2849.4396 
2191 2850.1009maybe this is one for the children, toward the end of October, there's this real scary day. What would that be?2854.2228 
2192DTA_se3_ag3_m_022854.5401Halloween.2855.1647
2193DTA_int_012855.2684Uh-huh.2855.5430
2195 2855.9275And uh,2856.4522 
2197 2856.9341at least I remember uh, we used carve a face on. Wha- what did you?2860.3454 
2198DTA_se3_ag3_m_022860.5682Pumpkins.2861.3783
2199DTA_int_012861.4698[Uh-huh.]/2861.6743
2200DTA_se3_ag3_m_022861.5766[Yeah.]2861.8740
2201DTA_int_012862.3749And uh,2862.9546
2203 2863.3635The lady on the broomstick, /what's/ supposed to be?2865.3772 
2204DTA_se3_ag3_m_022866.3247Witch?2866.8594
2205DTA_int_012867.0977Yeah.2867.2961
2206DTA_se3_ag3_m_022867.4605Yeah.2867.7320
2208 2867.9459Yeah.2868.1382 
2209DTA_int_012868.2297Uh.2868.5897
2211 2869.1317Did you uh2869.7236 
2213 2870.9823uh, ever go from door to door and2873.0021 
2215 2873.8232um2874.1696 
2216DTA_se3_ag3_m_022874.3893Oh. I- I have done it for the past2877.4403
2218 2878.0506fifteen years, I would say.2879.8638 
2219DTA_int_012879.8974<laugh>2880.1750
2220DTA_se3_ag3_m_022880.4597With2880.7282
2222 2880.9479first one child and then the other.2883.1630 
2223DTA_int_012883.6451Uh. When the children come to the door, what do they say?2885.6486
2224DTA_se3_ag3_m_022885.8623Trick or treat.2886.6281
2225DTA_int_012886.7959Uh-huh.2887.0460