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1DTA_int_011.1048Okay, the first ques-1.9271
3 2.3492question is, uh, what kind of k- uh, games do the kids play around here in this neighborhood?6.3481 
4DTA_se3_ag4_f_017.5422Oh, for the neighborhood,8.9655
6 10.0161majority of the youngsters play12.0221 
8 13.4137almost anything, really. Some of the sidewalk games and,16.7161 
10 17.7132uh, /RD-NAME-2/ and /RD-NAME-1/ are interested in- mainly in b- ri- bike riding.22.1612 
12 22.6890They play things over at the school.24.3554 
13DTA_int_0124.6429[Mm-hm.]24.9947
14DTA_se3_ag4_f_0124.8448[They're] mostly juvenile games to them.26.7009
15 27.4023Such as little Sally Walker, and29.3767
17 29.9242things like that the school actually has them playing.32.4363 
19 33.1413But, uh, in the home now,34.8292 
21 35.1963uh, the youngsters have their own games here at home. They play37.9363 
23 38.7070things like The Game of Life,40.2791 
25 40.5636they play, um,41.7468 
27 43.9883uh, they have a Scrabble game. They have a- oh, practically all the games that youngsters play with.49.1659 
29 49.3556Is that enough? I [mean.]50.7804 
30DTA_int_0150.6166[But] what was that little Sally Walker?52.3158
31 52.4259Is it?52.7165
32DTA_se3_ag4_f_0152.7868Uh, this an old-fashioned game, it's way before your time.55.9489
34 56.4776Little /Satty-/ Sally Walker, this is the one that I hear them talk about mainly.60.2239 
36 60.7836And they go around the circle, it's sort of a circle game. It's one of those things where64.3158 
38 64.5850a group of youngsters play together.66.2239 
39DTA_int_0166.3065Oh, w- what- what's the, uh,67.6184
41 68.0341i- is there some rhyme that they69.3310 
43 69.4532say with it?69.9536 
44DTA_se3_ag4_f_0169.9885Yeah.70.5391
46 70.7440Little Sally Walker sitting in the saucer,73.1721 
48 73.6431crying and weeping for someone to come.75.9593 
50 76.8419Let's see, rise Sally, rise, and wipe your weeping eyes.80.5449 
52 81.5848Point to the east, point to the west, point to the one that you like the best. I think that's about the way it goes.86.8761 
54 87.9365But now, they play that at school.89.5510 
55DTA_int_0189.8416Uh-huh.90.0832
56DTA_se3_ag4_f_0190.5236Uh, on the playground over here in the summertime. Course,93.2942
58 93.8203we live in Detroit,94.9424 
59DTA_int_0195.4929Mm-hm.95.7407
60DTA_se3_ag4_f_0195.8905and that is Highland Park.97.8113
61DTA_int_0197.9558Oh, I see.98.4883
62DTA_se3_ag4_f_0198.5021Uh, but Highland Park does have a program.100.7871
64 101.2482And the youngsters go over there and play102.9346 
65DTA_int_01103.3189Mm.103.5574
66DTA_se3_ag4_f_01103.6002different games over there. And there they get a little105.7591
68 106.0038more varied106.7593 
70 107.1137amount of games.108.0251 
72 108.7102They do a lot of the roller skating,110.4195 
74 110.5266swinging, and111.3768 
76 112.1231bike riding.112.9485 
77DTA_int_01113.3675It's a lot of [the /same thing there/.]114.7071
78DTA_se3_ag4_f_01113.9456[Occasionally we go] swimming there, something like that. The h- family117.2637
79 117.7469together does this, but that's about the way we spend our recreation.120.7775
80DTA_int_01121.2118Mm-hm.121.5035
81DTA_se3_ag4_f_01122.4623[Fishing.]122.9609
82DTA_int_01122.4623[/?/]122.7437
83DTA_se3_ag4_f_01123.1168[<laugh>]123.8686
84DTA_int_01123.4572[And have- they play] a lot of the same games that you played when you were younger, or?126.0893
85DTA_se3_ag4_f_01126.7939No, not so much.128.8630
87 129.0281Not this group. You see, I- I- we're the fam- we're- have two different groups of children.133.3402 
88DTA_int_01133.6272Uh-huh.133.8816
89DTA_se3_ag4_f_01133.9577And this happens to be the135.0679
91 135.2361group of our old age, the group of our younger age s-137.8440 
92DTA_int_01138.5695[Oh.]138.9309
93DTA_se3_ag4_f_01138.7271[benefitted] by139.6033
94 140.2574the things that we did. Th- the boy has just started playing baseball,143.8492
96 144.7408a little145.2332 
98 145.5543football,146.3888 
99DTA_int_01146.6733Uh-huh.146.9425
100DTA_se3_ag4_f_01147.2881and, uh, basketball.148.7164
102 149.2727But /RD-NAME-1/ hasn't gotten into any organized game like that.152.3276 
103DTA_int_01152.6581Uh-huh.152.9884
105 153.4166What are some of the game- let's say one-155.0678 
107 155.3203one155.6764 
109 156.1902game that you used to play when you were-157.8432 
111 158.3736when you were a-158.9889 
113 159.2025in school or [something?]160.4404 
114DTA_se3_ag4_f_01160.2301[Me?]160.6423
115DTA_int_01160.7191Yeah, [h-]161.1727
116DTA_se3_ag4_f_01161.0096[Everything] you name it, I did it.162.5848
117DTA_int_01162.7989<laugh>.163.1995
119 163.8510Can you name some of them?164.6550 
120DTA_se3_ag4_f_01164.8263Oh, I-165.8111
122 166.2813we had, uh,167.1381 
124 168.0067the bowling that's at- bowling on the green.170.3331 
125DTA_int_01170.4164Uh-huh.170.6893
126DTA_se3_ag4_f_01170.9914Uh, I did a great deal of swimming.172.8755
128 173.8752Uh, tennis.175.0347 
130 176.3889I played hockey,177.5325 
132 178.0313basketball, went into riflery.179.8232 
133DTA_int_01181.8169Hm.182.0249
134DTA_se3_ag4_f_01182.2023Mm,182.9241
136 183.8692that's why I say, you name it, I did it.185.4501 
137DTA_int_01185.4501<laugh>185.8966
139 186.4016What about in, uh- in grade school?187.8510 
141 188.3858What [are those?]188.8637 
142DTA_se3_ag4_f_01188.7100[In] grade school it was soccer190.6763
143 191.6427with the boys.192.3340
144DTA_int_01192.3340<laugh>192.8998
145DTA_se3_ag4_f_01192.9579Basketball, l- we called it fly ball out195.7285
147 196.2209because you didn't really have a team.197.9272 
148DTA_int_01198.1596Uh-huh.198.4227
149DTA_se3_ag4_f_01198.4563But, uh, there would be a199.6705
151 200.1106number of youngsters lined up on one side, and then you'd hit a ball and203.3491 
153 203.8080we played that summer, winter.205.6094 
155 205.8540Where we'd find five people to get together to208.4626 
157 208.5910play, we'd get a basket- get a, um, baseball and we'd start after it.212.0096 
159 212.4642Why yes, I did have a-213.5236 
161 214.2332I did do a lot of basketball playing too.216.1566 
162DTA_int_01216.3278Hm.216.5725
164 216.8141You call it217.1781 
166 217.3494fly ball out with a218.4190 
168 219.0587regular-219.4410 
169DTA_se3_ag4_f_01219.4716With a- with the- the, um,221.4439
171 221.7284regulation softball223.2148 
172DTA_int_01223.4778Oh yeah.223.8540
173DTA_se3_ag4_f_01223.8877and bat.224.4225
175 224.8629[Mm-hm.]225.2850 
176DTA_int_01224.9842[Hm.]225.2484
177 225.8784And w- what-226.6722
179 226.8479yeah.227.1625 
181 227.4164What did you have to do to get points, or?229.1934 
182DTA_se3_ag4_f_01229.5626You just hit a b- hit a ball and run as many bases as you could.232.4167
183DTA_int_01232.6491Uh-huh.232.9274
184DTA_se3_ag4_f_01233.0647The next person come up and hit a ball and then you'd, uh-236.1136
186 236.8691uh, come in if you couldn't. And every-238.8475 
188 238.9576every point you brought in was your own individual point.241.5543 
189DTA_int_01241.8418Oh, I see.242.4470
190DTA_se3_ag4_f_01242.6611That was the way you'd243.3003
192 243.5325determine who won the game.244.6675 
193DTA_int_01244.9091Hm.245.1687
195 246.2758Um,246.6256 
197 248.7161uh, what're your favorite TV programs?250.4044 
199 250.5788See.250.9026 
200DTA_se3_ag4_f_01251.9333Um,252.7407
202 253.8357well Twelve O'clock High,255.1984 
204 256.0435Perry Mason whenever I have a chance. I don't get a chance to watch the TV as much as p- as much I'd like to.260.8599 
205DTA_int_01260.9761Mm-hm.261.2881
206DTA_se3_ag4_f_01261.4563So it's usually262.3524
208 263.0861uh, they've- and then they changed all the Saturday programs that I liked.266.9946 
210 267.7163Um,268.3677 
212 270.1749what's this one, um.271.4350 
214 272.5143<ts>272.7039 
216 273.8948That Jason McCord plays in.275.7651 
218 276.8998Um,277.6369 
220 280.9729<ts> Branded.281.7917 
221DTA_int_01282.1902Hm.282.4226
222DTA_se3_ag4_f_01282.7560And, um,283.8724
224 285.1443there's, uh,286.1720 
226 287.9726I mentioned Twelve O'Clock High, Branded.290.0249 
228 290.8752And, um,291.8373 
230 293.0279oh, once in a while we,293.9424 
232 294.4241with nothing else to do, we watch, um,296.5754 
234 298.8173that's the funny thing, I can't remember the name of those programs because it-301.3494 
236 301.5879it's just something to do on a Saturday evening, that's all.303.8906 
237DTA_int_01303.9609/Well/304.2087
239 304.3371can you remember one- one episode of306.0678 
241 306.1871Twelve-306.5266 
243 306.6918was it Twelve O'Clock?307.5940 
244DTA_se3_ag4_f_01308.0713Twelve O'Clock High.308.9210
245DTA_int_01309.0403Uh-huh.309.2728
247 309.6490Can you remember one episode of that311.0276 
248DTA_se3_ag4_f_01311.1717[Oh, a couple weeks] or so ago, I think it was a very interesting one where they, uh,315.4575
249DTA_int_01311.4012[that you can tell me?]312.2488
250DTA_se3_ag4_f_01316.5849were very really badly beaten. This is all war, do you know the-319.6644
251DTA_int_01319.7561Oh.320.0246
253 320.2213[Oh, I don't watch that.]321.0434 
254DTA_se3_ag4_f_01320.2237[it's all war.]320.8684
255 321.3462And they were very beat-322.3769
257 322.5084badly beaten. They were- had been pushed into really a corner there.325.9580 
259 326.5418There were very men and they were trying to get a plane off the field, and the Germans were-330.0556 
261 330.3859were, um,331.1383 
263 331.6888coming in after them.332.8079 
265 333.4501And, uh,334.3555 
267 334.6399they said /pat/335.4531 
269 335.6091until they could336.2850 
271 336.6092so- so to speak, see the whites of their eyes before they went out, and then they let 'em have it.340.7072 
273 341.2910Course I'm a-341.7956 
275 343.2239quite a patriotic person, [<laugh> so.]345.5174 
276DTA_int_01344.7926[<laugh>]345.1412
277DTA_se3_ag4_f_01345.6428But345.8508
279 346.2821in their beating them, this is [for me.] (laughing)348.4593 
280DTA_int_01348.0250[<laugh>]348.8845
281DTA_se3_ag4_f_01350.6536Now,351.4314
283 353.3001I used to love Perry Mason.355.1016 
285 356.2328And, um,357.2575 
287 358.8968I don't-359.3215 
289 359.7803I like music360.8539 
291 361.3891but the type of music I like and the type of music the younger people of the day like,365.3888 
293 366.3339it's all together different, you see. I come from a different area.368.9485 
295 370.0374I have a370.6430 
297 371.0249passion for records /on now/ that,372.9332 
299 373.0771uh,373.5573 
301 373.6858they're called, um,374.6479 
303 376.0098a collector's item.377.0860 
304DTA_int_01377.2971Oh, yeah.377.7130
305DTA_se3_ag4_f_01377.7895From Reader's Digest that, uh,379.7378
307 380.1258brings in all the old songs that I love.382.2209 
308DTA_int_01382.5114Hm.382.7286
309DTA_se3_ag4_f_01383.0130And of course,383.6274
311 383.9271that made me like Perry Mason.385.6154 
312DTA_int_01385.9811Mm-hm.386.2438
313DTA_se3_ag4_f_01386.8292And like- m- made me like, uh,388.5267
315 388.7372Perry Como.389.5417 
316DTA_int_01389.8476Mm-hm.390.1988
317DTA_se3_ag4_f_01390.2789Perry Como I can-391.3891
319 391.9090I can be sitting in a chair,393.4134 
321 393.8508half dead and the folks thinking any minute now I've got to call a doctor for her, and you turn on Perry Mason and I'm up across the floor dancing. (laughing)400.5145 
322DTA_int_01400.7102[Yeah.]400.9976
323DTA_se3_ag4_f_01400.8597[<laugh>]401.7161
324DTA_int_01401.4255[Yeah.]401.7467
325 401.8965I like him too.402.6904
327 403.6674Um, what about404.4351 
329 404.6090you-404.8499 
331 405.0539y- you have a dog.405.9487 
333 406.0649Could you [tell me about your dog] or?407.3276 
334DTA_se3_ag4_f_01406.3187[Yes.]406.9025
335 407.9424All that.408.5144
337 410.9241Um, the dog was given to us to raise for Seeing Eye.415.3860 
338DTA_int_01415.9121Oh.416.2114
339DTA_se3_ag4_f_01417.1534And, uh, we really intended to give him to Seeing Eye.420.4562
340DTA_int_01420.6948Mm-hm.420.9270
341DTA_se3_ag4_f_01421.1169But the dog became temperamental.422.8170
343 423.7315In other words, he bit two or three people.425.7554 
344DTA_int_01425.9118Mm-hm.426.1779
345DTA_se3_ag4_f_01426.3431And Seeing Eye wouldn't take him.427.7194
347 428.2512So he isn't in-429.3675 
349 429.9395he's a loveable beast,431.4806 
351 432.0127but,432.2483 
353 433.3921he just isn't what we want. We have a-435.1534 
355 435.2850a Siamese cat.436.2973 
356DTA_int_01436.5171Mm-hm.436.8001
357DTA_se3_ag4_f_01437.0952We love cats, if you notice the collection up there.439.5206
358DTA_int_01439.8566Oh.440.2267
359DTA_se3_ag4_f_01440.8262But I don't like Siamese cats, so I'm hooked in with a cat I don't particularly care for.444.6244
361 445.0802Although I love cats.446.3399 
362DTA_int_01446.3857Uh-huh.446.6383
363DTA_se3_ag4_f_01446.8139And cats love me.447.8569
364DTA_int_01448.3034Do you have a name for your cat?449.2308
365DTA_se3_ag4_f_01449.9485Yes, his- my mother named him Felix. He comes from a long line of453.8294
367 454.4533Ting Lee's and Foo Young's and456.6244 
369 457.0893all that type of thing. But he ended up Felix when he hit this [house. <laugh>]461.5073 
370DTA_int_01460.2790[<laugh>]461.0371
371 462.8110Um,463.1536
373 463.8260is there some- uh,465.0494 
375 465.5541well, whether you believe it or not, but466.8693 
377 467.1380uh, superstitious ways that you get a wish or-469.3554 
379 470.0585I mean, whether they actually believe it or not.471.4623 
380DTA_se3_ag4_f_01472.6093No.473.3949
382 473.6549I- I- course, you got us from the school over here so you know that we're Catholic.477.3430 
383DTA_int_01477.3430Mm-hm.477.5755
384DTA_se3_ag4_f_01478.0802And, um,478.8662
386 480.5021u- you wouldn't call 'em a superstition because, uh, actually I believe in prayer.484.6860 
387DTA_int_01484.7985Mm-hm.485.1227
388DTA_se3_ag4_f_01485.4714And, uh,486.2605
390 486.8599that's the487.5450 
392 487.7530way things come along that I want,489.4103 
393DTA_int_01489.8171Mm-hm.490.1132
394DTA_se3_ag4_f_01490.2423you don't always get 'em all answered. Most the [time] the answer's, no, you might [say.] (laughing)493.8107
395DTA_int_01491.8017[Oh.]492.0687
397 493.7618[Yeah.]494.0676 
398 494.1808Well what about things like the chicken bone? Like, we used496.2606
400 496.4135pulling [the chicken bone. We didn't actually believe it.]498.0647 
401DTA_se3_ag4_f_01496.6150[No. No.]498.3767
402 499.0404No, I don't fool with anything like that.500.7680
403DTA_int_01501.0433Uh-huh.501.3125
404DTA_se3_ag4_f_01501.3155Never did even b- I'm a convert to the faith, and [even before] I became a,504.7468
405DTA_int_01503.7711[Oh.]504.0338
406DTA_se3_ag4_f_01505.4196uh,506.0585
408 507.2299I just507.6917 
410 508.0190didn't buy that.508.6307 
411DTA_int_01508.9789Hm.509.2848
412DTA_se3_ag4_f_01510.3828If anything, uh, you might say I'm superstitious about those [superstitions.]513.9143
413DTA_int_01513.6917[<laugh>]513.8934
414 514.6394Yeah.514.9116
415DTA_se3_ag4_f_01515.2328I [believe you fool around] with something that- I was Baptist.517.8994
416DTA_int_01515.5693[What were you before?]516.2757
417 517.9300Uh-huh.518.2144
418DTA_se3_ag4_f_01518.5968And I feel if you fool around with something like that you'll do yourself more harm in God's eye than you would if you went ahead and-523.3921
420 523.8570depended on him.524.6436 
421DTA_int_01524.8476Mm-hm.525.1014
423 525.5602Yeah, that's good.526.2147 
425 526.8662Um,527.1624 
427 527.4928tell me about,527.9882 
429 528.1198uh, well let's see, your school when you went to school. What were some of the things you studied531.8905 
431 532.4257in grade school and in high school?533.8624 
432DTA_se3_ag4_f_01534.0739Well in grade school it was regular grade school,536.3204
434 537.0280uh, set up, you know.538.5878 
436 539.2603Reading, writing, and arithmetic.540.8905 
438 541.9361And then in high school,543.2390 
440 544.4380college prep course.545.6824 
441DTA_int_01545.9362Mm-hm.546.2360
442DTA_se3_ag4_f_01546.5510I added to it, debating.548.0065
444 549.7039And, um,550.6735 
445DTA_int_01552.8110Did you have literature or?553.8559
446DTA_se3_ag4_f_01554.1502oh, yes.554.8613
447DTA_int_01555.0127Hm.555.2207
448DTA_se3_ag4_f_01555.3491That was apart of the course, you [see. I didn't do anything special] with literature.558.7896
449DTA_int_01556.8527[All]557.1415
451 557.2481[kinds of literature?]558.0304 
452DTA_se3_ag4_f_01559.6307Um,560.2787
454 562.2392didn't do anything special with it.563.6212 
455DTA_int_01563.8567Uh-huh.564.1350
456DTA_se3_ag4_f_01564.8507It was just plain literature.566.1380
457DTA_int_01566.3918Mm-hm.566.6922
459 567.1106But I mean,567.6305 
461 567.9759didn't have any like,568.9728 
463 569.3735American and?570.2941 
464DTA_se3_ag4_f_01570.5785Well yes, i- th- this was it. You had English and- and you had the- you had the English literature,575.6059
465DTA_int_01575.9607[Mm-hm.]576.2543
466DTA_se3_ag4_f_01576.0402[then you] had the American literature.577.6949
467DTA_int_01577.9697Mm-hm.578.2450
468DTA_se3_ag4_f_01578.6243Uh,579.3644
470 580.3507that was all.580.9453 
472 581.5990Just a regular high school course. Public high school.584.2648 
473DTA_int_01584.5325In grade school did you, uh, study about different countries and587.4866
475 587.7925maps and that, and so [forth?]589.2300 
476DTA_se3_ag4_f_01588.9547[Y- yes, uh-huh.]590.2297
477DTA_int_01589.8896[What do you call] that?590.5814
478DTA_se3_ag4_f_01590.7466Uh-huh, g- geography.592.0556
479DTA_int_01592.2361Uh-huh.592.5191
481 592.9911And, uh,593.5447 
483 593.8475study about,594.4990 
485 594.8018well George Washington,596.0064 
487 596.5447Lincoln.596.9177 
488DTA_se3_ag4_f_01597.0280Yes.597.6642
489DTA_int_01597.6642[Call this]598.2229
490DTA_se3_ag4_f_01597.8354[Mm-hm.]598.2229
491DTA_int_01598.5114[course?]598.8447
492DTA_se3_ag4_f_01598.6704[Mm-hm.]598.9946
493 599.6518That all was, uh- oh, you- you want [the name of it?]602.1961
494DTA_int_01601.5297[Yeah, I want the course.] Yeah.602.4414
495DTA_se3_ag4_f_01603.0739I believe that came along with our, um,605.4621
497 606.1717I [don't believe] they call it history.607.7224 
498DTA_int_01606.3155[Yeah.]606.5626
499DTA_se3_ag4_f_01608.0523They could've called it history.609.4439
500DTA_int_01609.6305Uh-huh.609.9149
501DTA_se3_ag4_f_01610.1229I'm not sure.610.8019
502DTA_int_01611.7129And, uh,612.1962
504 612.7498well when you're starting out, at least,614.1746 
506 614.4438would-614.6212 
508 614.8475could begin to work with numbers. You, uh,616.5583 
510 617.2511call this what?617.8403 
512 617.9882What [is it called?]618.6794 
513DTA_se3_ag4_f_01618.2604[Oh, you're] getting the-619.3401
514 619.8141I see.620.4287
516 620.7435Arithmetic.621.5082 
517DTA_int_01621.5846Yeah, I just [want the name.]622.5756
518DTA_se3_ag4_f_01622.0917[Mm-hm. <laugh>]623.2615
519DTA_int_01623.7313And, uh,624.1564
521 624.7161from your seat in-625.5266 
523 625.7040in the classroom, can you remember some of the things you used to see around the room?628.6765 
524DTA_se3_ag4_f_01630.9669Not particularly.632.1257
526 632.6151I, uh, saw practically everything that was to be seen, I [guess. I was] a-636.2268 
527DTA_int_01635.7215[<laugh>]636.0799
528DTA_se3_ag4_f_01636.3277quite a nosy person.637.4961
530 638.0706You mean, you want me to say blackboard, maps?641.0253 
531DTA_int_01641.2327Yeah.641.5172
533 641.6273[Uh-huh.]641.8822 
534DTA_se3_ag4_f_01641.8414[<laugh>]642.1595
535DTA_int_01642.2023[Mm-hm.]642.6134
536DTA_se3_ag4_f_01642.3277[Well,] these were always in evident.644.0890
537DTA_int_01644.3918Uh-huh. And [the teacher sat at a?]645.9578
538DTA_se3_ag4_f_01644.8444[/You'd hear/ /?/.]645.8048
539 646.7958A desk.647.3429
540DTA_int_01648.8201And could it be one desk,649.9147
542 650.0186two?650.3643 
543DTA_se3_ag4_f_01651.7589To a classroom.652.5878
544DTA_int_01653.1624Yeah, uh, but653.7221
545DTA_se3_ag4_f_01653.8536Usually.654.3491
546DTA_int_01654.3491if it was two of these.655.4318
548 657.2665One desk, and if there were two of the same thing,659.2736 
550 659.7527you'd have two?660.2329 
551DTA_se3_ag4_f_01660.3736Two desks?661.1780
552DTA_int_01661.3921Uh-huh.661.6562
553DTA_se3_ag4_f_01661.7740<laugh>662.0401
554DTA_int_01662.0676We just wanted the662.5886
556 662.7466plural663.1399 
558 663.3675[form.]663.6207 
559DTA_se3_ag4_f_01663.5296[Mm-hm.]663.7834
560DTA_int_01665.8536Um,666.2696
562 667.6000now if you walk-668.1104 
564 668.2419if you walk outside the classroom you're in a?670.4930 
565DTA_se3_ag4_f_01671.2508Hall.671.7680
566DTA_int_01671.8597Uh-huh.672.1319
568 672.3063And can you also- the things that were in the hall?674.0095 
569DTA_se3_ag4_f_01675.3797Usually lockers.676.7101
570DTA_int_01677.1899Mm-hm.677.4682
571DTA_se3_ag4_f_01678.3858Oh, there was a water fountain.679.8141
572DTA_int_01681.1472Anything else?681.7147
573DTA_se3_ag4_f_01681.7742And I don't say water (atypical pronunciation) like my son does that's coming in in the morning. He's from the east- he's coming in from New York.687.1034
574DTA_int_01687.3154[Uh-huh.]687.5302
575DTA_se3_ag4_f_01687.4225[And] he's changed his whole688.8607
576 689.4346method of speaking. (laughing)690.6641
577DTA_int_01690.9455[Oh.]691.1657
578DTA_se3_ag4_f_01691.0587[Now] it's water (atypical pronunciation) instead of water.692.9025
579DTA_int_01693.2726Oh, <laugh>.693.7719
581 694.7438And then695.1012 
583 695.6579were there anything-696.4473 
585 697.0220were there, uh, any, uh,698.0431 
587 698.2450was there any equipment outside the school the kids played on?700.5641 
588DTA_se3_ag4_f_01700.9518The playground and- of course on our playground we had- um,704.2755
590 704.8414there were no swings there.706.1229 
592 706.9273We did have some bars.708.4561 
594 710.2174And it was all gravel.711.5509 
596 712.1871Fence.712.8590 
598 714.7926And that was all.715.3339 
599DTA_int_01715.3462Do you have any special names of [the bars?]716.7815
600DTA_se3_ag4_f_01716.3306[Oh, now] that's in grade school. In high school718.6935
601 719.2725we had a tennis court.720.8446
602DTA_int_01721.0556Hm.721.2965
603DTA_se3_ag4_f_01721.6031And we had the- um,723.0703
605 724.3615the- um,725.4285 
607 725.9331the bowling726.7436 
609 727.0923court was there.727.9579 
610DTA_int_01728.2419Uh-huh.728.4927
611DTA_se3_ag4_f_01728.8414And we had, uh, hockey730.4838
613 731.9515court.732.5436 
615 732.6855Yeah.732.9180 
617 733.3829Baseball diamond.734.2235 
618DTA_int_01734.7859Oh yeah.735.0558
620 737.1501[/?/.]737.3184 
621DTA_se3_ag4_f_01737.2327[/Glovel-/] a lovely lawn and a cannon. [<laugh>]740.9086
622DTA_int_01739.8443[<laugh>]740.2052
624 740.5073[A cannon?]740.8713 
625DTA_se3_ag4_f_01741.0340[Mm-hm.]741.4622
626DTA_int_01741.4225[Oh.]741.7192
627 742.8600Um,743.1624
629 743.5294what do- uh, what do the kids do after school was out?745.8528 
631 746.1777What- what did they used to do when-747.6366 
632DTA_se3_ag4_f_01748.0311Play.748.5083
633DTA_int_01748.7281Uh-huh.749.0033
634DTA_se3_ag4_f_01749.6793Oh, these here?750.6335
635DTA_int_01750.9149Well, yeah. These here too.752.3489
636DTA_se3_ag4_f_01752.7098Well they- they play after their chores are done.755.2379
637DTA_int_01755.4529Uh-huh.755.7007
638DTA_se3_ag4_f_01755.9117Sometimes they don't get them done, they play.757.7770
640 758.0431[<laugh>]758.9882 
641DTA_int_01758.1593[<laugh>]758.7404
642 759.8537Um,760.1535
644 760.4807did you ever have a teacher who hollered a lot?761.8957 
646 762.4194Or an-762.7688 
647DTA_se3_ag4_f_01763.5230We did once, in grade school I had a765.9883
649 766.0984teacher named Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/.767.6092 
650DTA_int_01767.9148Mm-hm.768.2145
651DTA_se3_ag4_f_01768.5326And, uh, she had far too many youngsters in her room.771.7620
652DTA_int_01772.0801Oh.772.3003
653DTA_se3_ag4_f_01772.5113And about all she773.4621
655 773.7496was able to teach us was to pick up the litter775.8386 
657 776.8995and shut up the fuss. [<laugh>]779.0675 
658DTA_int_01778.2880[Yeah.]778.5725
659DTA_se3_ag4_f_01779.5997I'll remember her for that.780.8384
660DTA_int_01780.9730[<laugh>]781.3981
662 782.4315Well someone's got a real job on her hand.784.1963 
663DTA_se3_ag4_f_01784.2911Mm-hm.785.0247
664DTA_int_01785.4590Uh,785.7741
666 786.8078uh,787.1184 
668 787.3400tell me about the best teacher you think you ever had.789.1441 
669DTA_se3_ag4_f_01789.6824Uh, Mr. /RD-NAME-2/.790.7927
671 791.2296He was, um,792.2571 
673 793.6795a shell-shock794.9239 
675 795.1992veteran of World War One.797.5080 
677 798.8170And, um,799.5949 
679 799.7682because of this800.8903 
681 802.6240accident you might say, to a g-804.0891 
683 804.1931that he'd come into or the wound that he had received,807.0860 
685 807.9363he had decided to go back and study809.9759 
686DTA_int_01810.4255Hm.810.5977
687DTA_se3_ag4_f_01810.7161the cause of the war.812.1440
689 813.0310And813.4622 
691 814.3584n- this is what we were discussing in here this morning.816.7038 
693 816.9393My husband has come in contact with someone that was819.0296 
695 819.6977on- um,820.6889 
697 821.2602I guess he said the Mohawk during the, uh, World-823.9150 
699 824.0798during the, um,824.9940 
701 825.8714this last battle- Pearl Harbor.827.4034 
703 828.1074And we're quite interested in things like this.830.1899 
705 830.7373And, uh, so he, um,832.7162 
707 832.8967was telling us about that and Mr. /RD-NAME-2/,834.5876 
709 835.2972uh, gave us a break down on837.0646 
711 837.2420a lot of the history and back839.0343 
713 839.9851of World War One.841.2849 
714DTA_int_01841.6244Mm-hm.841.8595
715DTA_se3_ag4_f_01841.8600And then he brought us right up843.0616
717 843.2175to and through it.844.0709 
719 844.6336And this was845.1684 
721 845.3122extremely interesting.846.5478 
722DTA_int_01846.7619Was this in high school or was it in [college?]848.2449
723DTA_se3_ag4_f_01847.9544[This was] in high school.848.9881
724DTA_int_01848.9973Hm.849.1931
726 851.1837Hm, it sounds good.851.9361 
728 852.5718Um,852.8635 
730 853.2666w-853.4409 
732 853.8154is there a-854.1654 
734 854.2816ever a teacher you just couldn't get along with?856.1259 
736 856.2207Had a hard time,856.7193 
738 857.8474just couldn't stand?858.5324 
739DTA_se3_ag4_f_01859.6030No.860.2847
741 860.9147I, uh,861.6505 
743 862.2574didn't have that unpleasant experience.864.3219 
744DTA_int_01864.4469Mm-hm.864.7191
745DTA_se3_ag4_f_01865.3767There were teachers that I didn't like,867.2212
746DTA_int_01867.4836Mm-hm.867.7803
747DTA_se3_ag4_f_01868.0341but, uh, I could get along with them.869.9687
748DTA_int_01870.2236Mm-hm.870.4989
750 871.6673Um, what about was there872.8780 
752 872.9942any-873.2756 
754 873.5356ever a time when the kids tricked the teacher?875.4367 
756 875.9025Pull a trick on a teacher?877.0097 
757DTA_se3_ag4_f_01877.3798No, I think I was the only one guilty of that.879.3418
758DTA_int_01879.6121[<laugh>]880.1381
759DTA_se3_ag4_f_01879.9240[In] biology we were going to dis-881.9178
760 882.1594dissect a frog.883.7267
762 884.9881And, uh,885.9821 
764 886.4042I didn't think I wanted to be on hand when this frog was cut open.890.1731 
765DTA_int_01890.5936Uh-huh.890.8658
766DTA_se3_ag4_f_01891.2481So891.7772
768 891.9546I was sick that day.893.0430 
770 894.3704That was about the only thing. I got my lesson from somebody else.897.2750 
771DTA_int_01897.5570[<laugh>]898.2725
772DTA_se3_ag4_f_01897.8476[<laugh>]898.2394
773DTA_int_01899.8964Um,900.2603
775 900.8047who was the smartest-901.6152 
777 901.8110who was the smartest kid in your class when you903.5601 
779 903.7986were in school?904.5816 
780DTA_se3_ag4_f_01906.1563Well it wasn't me.907.1901
782 907.5265[<laugh>]908.2082 
783DTA_int_01908.1042[<laugh>]908.4873
784DTA_se3_ag4_f_01908.8872I couldn't tell you exactly who.910.7498
786 915.8353Possibly, um-917.4896 
788 919.6519I really couldn't say.920.6678 
790 921.0707I really don't remember who you would- you might say was the smartest in school.924.4928 
791DTA_int_01924.6426/Oh/.924.8445
793 925.0710[/?/.]925.3763 
794DTA_se3_ag4_f_01925.1167[These] things didn't really mean too much to me.926.8780
795DTA_int_01927.2573Uh-huh.927.5325
797 928.0035What about some of the kids that-928.9971 
799 929.6027well, would do a little a bit930.6090 
801 930.8934better than- what would the teacher- how would the teacher reward them?933.3001 
803 933.7497In any special way, or?934.8110 
804DTA_se3_ag4_f_01935.8474I never noticed any extra937.7253
806 939.5417<laugh> rewards being given to anyone.941.6027 
807DTA_int_01941.7801Mm-hm.941.9789
809 942.2511What about some people who had trouble943.9757 
811 944.1684with school and so forth?945.5413 
812DTA_se3_ag4_f_01945.6518Usually they were given extra help.947.5507
813DTA_int_01947.6547Uh-huh.947.9188
815 948.8170There were some,949.4654 
817 949.6764uh, like that around?950.6914 
818DTA_se3_ag4_f_01951.8445Oh yes. I imagine there are some of those in every class. Of course in high school, you didn't have the same957.0126
820 957.6029class all the time and in grade school- I mean, you didn't have the same people in your class all the time.962.0369 
822 962.5752In grade school,963.6796 
824 963.8384uh, this wasn't as evident as it was possibly in high school that someone was getting extra help.968.3550 
825DTA_int_01968.5538Mm-hm.968.8199
827 970.4439What time did you used to get out of school?971.8505 
829 972.3918Remember that?972.8842 
830DTA_se3_ag4_f_01972.8934In grade school?973.7100
831DTA_int_01973.9451Yeah.974.1042
832DTA_se3_ag4_f_01974.3030Three thirty.974.9392
833DTA_int_01975.0890Uh-huh. And then fifteen minutes after that would be?976.8320
834DTA_se3_ag4_f_01979.4195Three forty-five.980.5263
835DTA_int_01980.5263Uh-huh.980.7373
837 980.8382A quarter of an hour later?981.6451 
839 982.2176Er- after-982.6917 
840DTA_se3_ag4_f_01982.7314Be four o'clock.983.7648
841DTA_int_01983.9483uh-huh.984.2236
843 984.9943Um,985.2513 
845 985.3675I'm trying to get- uh,986.4345 
847 987.1594well, see-987.7558 
849 987.9343okay, three thirty and then a quarter of an hour later would be?990.0981 
850DTA_se3_ag4_f_01990.7649Three forty-five.991.6733
851DTA_int_01992.1164Uh-huh.992.3856
853 992.6088You wouldn't call it, uh,993.4680 
855 994.0096anything by quarters?994.8325 
856DTA_se3_ag4_f_01996.1227No. I don't997.5112
858 997.6366think, uh, well you want me to say a quarter to four?1000.4391 
859DTA_int_011000.6375Yeah.1000.9262
861 1001.0791Well see, we're interested- some people say quarter of.1002.6611 
863 1002.9388Pretty [interesting /??/.]1004.0501 
864DTA_se3_ag4_f_011003.5764[No.] I would say a quarter to four.1005.4009
865DTA_int_011006.3995Okay.1006.7579
867 1007.4987Um,1007.8312 
869 1008.1333now,1008.4231 
871 1009.0974uh,1009.4117 
873 1010.1561is there a group of p- people that you,1011.9998 
875 1012.1218um, do things with1013.2480 
877 1014.0356now and,1014.5635 
879 1014.7557well you probably go places together?1016.2546 
880DTA_se3_ag4_f_011017.8564Uh, we only have one,1019.9594
882 1020.6123uh, you might say personal friend, and1023.4231 
884 1023.6275we don't do too much together. We more or less1026.0204 
886 1026.1394sit and talk.1027.3381 
887DTA_int_011027.4544Mm-hm.1027.6680
888DTA_se3_ag4_f_011028.5047We're quite conversationalists, we love to <laugh> run our mouths.1032.3163
889DTA_int_011032.3163Mm-hm.1032.6062
890DTA_se3_ag4_f_011033.3049Uh, I do work with the National Council of Catholic Women. That is the DACCW of Detroit, our staffs and council.1040.1897
892 1041.1607And, um,1042.0699 
894 1042.4574[in that] I've held several,1044.0570 
895DTA_int_011042.4574[<cough>]1042.8827
896DTA_se3_ag4_f_011044.4262[um,]1044.8989
897DTA_int_011044.4262[<clears throat>]1044.9906
898DTA_se3_ag4_f_011046.2782posts, you might say. I've been a1048.2835
900 1048.9517chairman of several committees.1050.4689 
902 1051.4788And have held1052.1592 
904 1052.6787three elective offices.1054.4376 
906 1055.9624And this is a extent of the things that I do. My main hobby is photography.1059.8655 
907DTA_int_011060.0760Hm.1060.3503
908DTA_se3_ag4_f_011061.0249But, uh, I don't get a chance to do very much of [this.]1063.5348
909DTA_int_011063.3323[Do you do] a photography club or anything like this?1065.1546
910DTA_se3_ag4_f_011065.2339No.1065.8106
912 1065.9021No, I do this all alone. My1067.6390 
914 1067.7549dark room is upstairs in the hallway.1069.4879 
915DTA_int_011069.5093Oh.1069.9334
916DTA_se3_ag4_f_011070.8312And I1071.4552
918 1072.0608[spot]1072.3695 
919DTA_int_011072.1023[That's my father's]1072.7871
920DTA_se3_ag4_f_011072.5469[anything.]1073.0341
921DTA_int_011073.0768passion too.1073.8750
922DTA_se3_ag4_f_011074.2004[I didn't know that.]1074.7770
923DTA_int_011074.2553[/?/]1074.6153
924 1077.3926Um,1077.7160
926 1080.7551let's see.1081.2686 
928 1081.4971I-1081.7259 
930 1081.9067bout- are- are the people that1083.4078 
932 1083.5482you1083.9052 
934 1084.0486are with most the time,1084.9914 
936 1085.2080are they-1085.4346 
938 1085.5474they're about-1085.9990 
940 1086.1659they're1086.4536 
942 1086.5909your-1086.8100 
944 1087.0913same age as you are, and1088.2412 
945DTA_se3_ag4_f_011088.6664[No, they vary] in ages and now this1090.8703
946DTA_int_011088.7183[/I guess older than you are/?]1089.7454
947DTA_se3_ag4_f_011091.1622couple that I said that are our best friends, they're younger than1093.7686
948DTA_int_011094.1744Hm.1094.4559
949DTA_se3_ag4_f_011094.8922we are.1095.4933
951 1095.7648For the most if our friends are either older-1098.2950 
953 1099.1432in our younger1100.0280 
955 1100.1348years our friends were all much older.1102.1706 
956DTA_int_011102.3720Mm.1102.5734
957DTA_se3_ag4_f_011102.7015And now our friends are much younger.1104.5146
958DTA_int_011104.8289Hm.1105.0821
960 1107.7953Um,1108.1462 
962 1108.8693now1109.1624 
964 1109.6024in, uh,1110.2075 
966 1110.3512in your-1110.8228 
968 1111.0242the people that you1111.7900 
970 1111.9852are with,1112.3829 
972 1112.6908do they speak,1113.2748 
974 1113.3834uh,1113.6824 
976 1113.8624other languages like Hungarian, Polish, Spanish, and so [forth?]1116.6672 
977DTA_se3_ag4_f_011116.6092[Uh,] I have one Polish friend.1118.7183
978 1119.2004And she tried to teach me to speak Polish.1121.4834
980 1122.3102I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood,1124.1195 
982 1124.3308and my mother was afraid I'd sp-1125.7496 
984 1125.8411learn to speak1126.5154 
986 1127.2232the Jewish language before I learned to speak English.1129.5104 
988 1130.4559Um,1131.0753 
990 1132.1157then this one1133.0096 
992 1133.1866couple that I was talking about, they speak Fren- uh, Spanish.1136.4284 
994 1137.1119But we don't.1137.7496 
996 1137.9174I don't.1138.5306 
997DTA_int_011139.0218Uh-huh.1139.2576
999 1139.6573[But- but you-]1140.3474 
1000DTA_se3_ag4_f_011139.8617[I don't even] attempt it.1140.9235
1001DTA_int_011141.1798yeah.1141.3689
1003 1141.9761But-1142.0837 
1005 1142.4925yeah.1142.6573 
1006DTA_se3_ag4_f_011142.8251[I hate] languages and I hate foreign languages and. [<laugh>]1147.2316
1007DTA_int_011142.9263[Okay.]1143.1985
1009 1146.5238[<laugh>]1147.1736 
1010DTA_se3_ag4_f_011147.4971Simply because I'm too stupid to learn them. [<laugh>]1150.0669
1011DTA_int_011149.5695[<laugh>]1149.8736
1012 1150.1340Well I doubt that.1150.9242
1014 1151.7030Um,1152.0173 
1016 1152.2431are there any, uh,1153.0363 
1018 1153.3781Jewish people or, uh,1154.7763 
1020 1155.0020white people that you1155.9143 
1022 1156.0577are1156.3944 
1024 1156.8266a-1156.9547 
1026 1157.4132acquainted with or associated with in your group?1159.4940 
1028 1160.0249Have you- [/inaudible/?]1161.1322 
1029DTA_se3_ag4_f_011160.2942[Yeah, it's mainly-] mainly white. We've, uh, lived more or less in that type of neighborhood- mixed neighborhood most of our lives.1166.6176
1030 1167.8746Of course, the DACCW the majority are white.1170.6985
1031DTA_int_011170.9906Oh.1171.2896
1033 1172.0371I suppose then you- mentioned in a Jewish neighborhood [when you were young.]1174.9235 
1034DTA_se3_ag4_f_011174.4025[Yes.]1174.9554
1035 1175.0829I live- lived in a Jewish neighborhood until I was1177.5306
1037 1178.9074oh, I guess I was eighteen before1180.9232 
1038DTA_int_011181.3857Oh.1181.6756
1039DTA_se3_ag4_f_011181.9349I moved out of a1182.7495
1041 1183.2224almost completely all Jewish neighborhood.1185.2675 
1042DTA_int_011185.4292Was that- was that here in Detroit?1186.4482
1043DTA_se3_ag4_f_011186.7411Yes.1187.2812
1045 1187.7823Mm-hm.1188.0264 
1046DTA_int_011189.0119[Um-]1189.2499
1047DTA_se3_ag4_f_011189.1004[And] I can mimic them and I can give you a whole [/unintelligible/.] (laughing)1193.0951
1048DTA_int_011192.4177[<laugh>]1192.9561
1049DTA_se3_ag4_f_011193.8958Ways of handling themselves, you know.1195.8998
1051 1196.3003My- i- if you noticed, I talk with my hands.1198.2713 
1052DTA_int_011199.1496[/unintelligible/]1200.2095
1053DTA_se3_ag4_f_011199.4223[<laugh>]1200.3712
1054DTA_int_011200.7038gesture or something?1201.5733
1056 1202.2262Um, is-1202.7671 
1058 1203.0966now in- in your group is there someone who, uh,1205.2964 
1060 1205.5291probably you look to more for leadership1207.5031 
1062 1207.8113or,1208.1306 
1064 1209.2339um,1209.5314 
1066 1209.7160someone who'd probably comes up with some1211.2209 
1068 1212.0569good ideas and so forth?1213.0241 
1069DTA_se3_ag4_f_011213.2316Well we did have one leader that we felt was [quite a] leader. She's just left the office, that was /RD-NAME-1/, um, /RD-NAME-2/.1219.7350
1070DTA_int_011215.8288[Mm-hm.]1216.1859
1071 1220.0981Mm-hm.1220.3840
1072DTA_se3_ag4_f_011220.7244Uh,1221.3285
1074 1222.6099quite a gal.1223.2659 
1075DTA_int_011223.4742Uh-huh. What- what were so- p- so much that made her a leader?1225.8948
1076DTA_se3_ag4_f_011226.7884Well she was elected the president1228.3658
1078 1228.6862because of her1229.7420 
1080 1229.9227extreme know-how.1231.1969 
1081DTA_int_011231.4543Mm-hm.1231.7359
1082DTA_se3_ag4_f_011231.9730And, uh,1232.8525
1084 1234.0668of course we all feel now that we've lost a real good leader.1237.5550 
1085DTA_int_011237.8937Mm.1238.1225
1086DTA_se3_ag4_f_011238.6359But, uh,1239.3276
1088 1242.5878there wouldn't be anything other than just1244.3338 
1090 1244.9715the ideas that she put across, that you might say that we-1248.2461 
1092 1249.4329that I would pick up from her.1250.8479 
1093DTA_int_011251.0234Mm-hm.1251.3107
1095 1251.9173Hm.1252.1584 
1096DTA_se3_ag4_f_011253.3147My pronunciation and diction and all come more or less from my-1256.9349
1098 1258.3658possibly from my mother.1260.0478 
1100 1261.3902And possibly because I always wanted to make sure1264.2175 
1102 1264.9882I did everything correctly.1266.3407 
1103DTA_int_011266.6610Mm-hm.1266.8593
1104DTA_se3_ag4_f_011267.5092Missed the boat a lot of times, but most of the [things] I. (laughing)1270.5226
1105DTA_int_011269.9753[Yeah.]1270.2285
1106 1271.5657And then, uh,1272.0998
1108 1272.3071what about like, in- in your,1274.0036 
1110 1274.8433um,1275.0539 
1112 1276.0241the- your main circle of friends is then with the ACCW? Is that?1278.6929 
1113DTA_se3_ag4_f_011279.1828Well that's- w- that's- I work with this group of women.1282.0503
1115 1282.1644[Course I] work in the post office with a- a hodge podge of almost-1286.0157 
1116DTA_int_011282.2248[Uh.]1282.4420
1117 1286.3552Oh.1286.5870
1118DTA_se3_ag4_f_011286.8098and I've1287.1667
1120 1287.3132been there with them for twenty-five years.1289.6908 
1121DTA_int_011289.7182Oh, I [/??/.]1290.4621
1122DTA_se3_ag4_f_011290.3101[Some] of [the people that I'm] working with right now, I've worked with for at least eighteen years.1294.5894
1123DTA_int_011290.6814[/inaudible/]1291.3435
1124 1294.7777Hm.1294.9821
1125DTA_se3_ag4_f_011295.1957And this is across the board. You-1297.1614
1127 1298.3613you'll catch almost anything there.1300.1065 
1128DTA_int_011300.3567Hm.1300.5656
1130 1301.1347Um,1301.4680 
1132 1301.9165now,1302.1606 
1134 1302.5329when you, uh, were in school,1303.9882 
1136 1304.5352do you remember what did you want to be when you, uh,1306.6160 
1138 1306.8906when you1307.3338 
1139DTA_se3_ag4_f_011307.6786[A lawyer.]1308.3911
1140DTA_int_011307.7274[/grew up/?]1308.0809
1141 1309.1736A lawyer?1309.5245
1142DTA_se3_ag4_f_011309.6496[Mm-hm.]1310.0584
1143DTA_int_011309.9791[H-]1310.1164
1144 1310.6847uh, and then h- how long would it have taken to be1313.0386
1146 1313.5321a lawyer?1313.9074 
1147DTA_se3_ag4_f_011313.9616[Uh, at that time] six years.1316.0645
1148DTA_int_011314.1525[/inaudible/]1315.0167
1149 1316.2445Mm-hm.1316.5230
1151 1317.2369Is that after high school, or?1318.4864 
1152DTA_se3_ag4_f_011318.9028That would have been including, uh,1320.8563
1154 1321.4726uh, high-1322.0126 
1156 1322.1316uh,1322.5870 
1158 1324.3139I believe that was the college, uh,1325.9043 
1160 1326.3803four years of college and then two years of, uh,1328.6877 
1162 1329.1515law.1329.5603 
1163DTA_int_011329.6793Hm.1329.9142
1165 1331.1385Mm-hm.1331.4505 
1167 1332.0721And, uh,1332.4901 
1169 1332.8868here's a interesting question. If you- if you could1335.1210 
1171 1335.9844go back and do everything over again,1337.4680 
1173 1337.5840what would you1338.3546 
1175 1338.6549change, uh,1339.0820 
1177 1339.2712any, uh, [decisions?]1340.2415 
1178DTA_se3_ag4_f_011339.7502[Mm-hm.]1340.1900
1179 1340.4101Mm-hm.1340.7823
1181 1341.5237I'd be a nun.1342.2346 
1182DTA_int_011342.6587Uh-huh.1342.9344
1184 1344.3895Were- th- then you weren't-1345.5122 
1186 1345.6282you weren't a Catholic [then.]1346.4232 
1187DTA_se3_ag4_f_011346.3002[No,] I wasn't a Catholic then.1347.7530
1188 1348.0241[Mm-hm.]1348.2712
1189DTA_int_011348.1949[Why-] why would you be a nun?1349.1513
1190 1349.3460Can you1349.5443
1192 1350.3406talk about [that?]1350.8761 
1193DTA_se3_ag4_f_011350.7098[I] sort of like the secluded life they live.1353.4535
1194DTA_int_011353.6122[<laugh>]1353.9478
1195DTA_se3_ag4_f_011353.7861[<laugh>]1354.1095
1196DTA_int_011357.3688Any-1357.6373
1197DTA_se3_ag4_f_011357.7624That's it.1358.2201
1198DTA_int_011358.3124uh-huh. Okay.1359.0172
1200 1359.8288Um,1360.1510 
1202 1361.0980if you had all-1361.7457 
1204 1361.8586if you had1362.4347 
1206 1362.7708all the money that you could ever want,1364.3116 
1208 1364.5229what- what would you do with it?1365.5940 
1209DTA_se3_ag4_f_011368.2338Well, um, when I buy a sweepstake ticket and I dream of getting fifty-four thousand dollars,1374.4169
1211 1375.6282uh,1376.2475 
1213 1377.3162I try to think of1378.5469 
1215 1378.9882some of the people I- I know aren't-1380.4627 
1217 1381.8448who've wanted things all their lives and never had it.1384.2498 
1219 1384.5092Along with me.1385.3741 
1221 1386.4535And, um,1387.2010 
1223 1387.4054once or twice I have set up a trust fund, you know.1390.0627 
1224DTA_int_011390.2224Mm-hm.1390.5000
1225DTA_se3_ag4_f_011390.9363Uh,1391.4985
1227 1391.8677so that they could get five thousand dollars a piece.1394.7457 
1229 1395.5237And then1396.1064 
1231 1396.9272if they were ever able to pay it back- put it back, and that would go to someone else. That five thousand dollars would1402.2559 
1233 1402.7350just give them1403.4344 
1235 1403.6785the1404.0447 
1237 1404.7098needed start1405.8600 
1238DTA_int_011405.8845Hm.1406.1285
1239DTA_se3_ag4_f_011406.4955that they needed. Now that's the way I look at it from that angle.1409.0431
1241 1409.9653Um,1410.5725 
1243 1411.0607I imagine I'd like to travel.1412.7823 
1245 1414.4726There's so much of1415.3704 
1247 1415.4619[upper Michigan]1416.5694 
1248DTA_int_011415.5351[<cough>]1416.2462
1249DTA_se3_ag4_f_011417.6831and, uh, just above us here in Canada that I'd love to see.1420.9638
1250DTA_int_011421.1133Mm-hm.1421.3909
1251DTA_se3_ag4_f_011421.7548I'd like to go to California.1423.2285
1253 1423.8326Not to stay,1424.7518 
1254DTA_int_011425.1209Mm-hm.1425.3528
1255DTA_se3_ag4_f_011425.4494just to go out there.1426.4207
1257 1427.7640I've been as far as Nevada.1429.2376 
1259 1431.0172But, um,1431.9460 
1261 1434.1148there no r- real great ambitions that I have for that.1437.0050 
1263 1437.9996I know I'll never get it so there's no necessity in dreaming the dream. (laughing)1441.4817 
1264DTA_int_011441.4817Yeah.1441.7442
1266 1441.9150/Well/1442.1629 
1268 1442.3154/sure it does/.1442.9196 
1270 1445.4590Now, can you describe what you do in a day's work?1447.7166 
1272 1448.2178/Just/1448.4485 
1273DTA_se3_ag4_f_011449.0416Oh, I'm [not an] organized person. That isn't fair.1452.0874
1274DTA_int_011449.5654[/?/.]1449.7629
1275 1452.3040[<laugh>]1452.8569
1276DTA_se3_ag4_f_011453.7746Um,1454.2788
1277DTA_int_011454.7334Say what you did yesterday.1455.7986
1278DTA_se3_ag4_f_011456.1613Yesterday?1457.0184
1279DTA_int_011457.0184[Mm-hm.]1457.3207
1280DTA_se3_ag4_f_011457.2811[Oh,] you don't want to know that.1458.4443
1281DTA_int_011458.7464[<laugh>]1459.1092
1282DTA_se3_ag4_f_011459.3444I watered the lawn in the back. I1462.1430
1284 1462.8478watered my,1463.7426 
1286 1464.8135um,1465.4024 
1288 1465.7685roses. I have a rose garden out back.1467.6793 
1290 1469.8738Uh, I ran the vacuum and hung-1472.4482 
1292 1472.9592I1473.1057 
1294 1473.2399took down curtains and changed a1475.2544 
1296 1475.3673curtain rod.1476.2247 
1298 1477.3596And, um,1478.3246 
1300 1478.6541rehung them.1479.4504 
1302 1481.5565Moved some furniture around.1483.2289 
1304 1483.3474Got it out in the center of the floor,1484.8158 
1306 1484.9134somebody else can move ['em.] (laughing)1486.6495 
1307DTA_int_011486.2285[<laugh>]1486.8905
1308DTA_se3_ag4_f_011488.7616I didn't prepare dinner yesterday, I think1490.6419
1310 1490.7639dinner yesterday was only hot dogs.1492.5336 
1312 1493.2506Usually I do1493.9928 
1314 1494.3040cook, uh,1494.7067 
1316 1495.1957breakfast and dinner. I did start1496.8250 
1318 1496.9918giving my husband toast and coffee and jam.1499.0492 
1320 1501.7105And that was about it.1502.6999 
1322 1503.5603Fooled around1504.4634 
1324 1504.9027so much of the times, it's so many little foolish things that I couldn't even mention 'em.1508.6480 
1325DTA_int_011508.9470Yeah.1509.1911
1327 1509.9142Um,1510.1768 
1329 1510.5335did-1510.7410 
1331 1511.0095is there a special, uh, name you have for your neighborhood?1513.1796 
1333 1513.3962Do you have a s-1513.9607 
1335 1514.1499a, uh.1514.5961 
1336DTA_se3_ag4_f_011515.2551Yes, I call this down in the corner.1517.4649
1337DTA_int_011517.9409Mm-hm.1518.2355
1339 1518.4687What- why do you call it that?1519.4451 
1340DTA_se3_ag4_f_011520.0919Well we're right in the corner1521.8174
1342 1522.6678of Highland Park1523.8616 
1344 1524.5053and Detroit.1525.2040 
1345DTA_int_011525.3993Uh-huh.1525.6924
1346DTA_se3_ag4_f_011525.9267Did you notice, Highland Park is right across the street [over there?]1528.3566
1347DTA_int_011527.8530[/I just assumed/]1528.5946
1348 1528.7043private residence.1529.3917
1349DTA_se3_ag4_f_011529.5137Uh, well that's-1530.4046
1351 1530.7189we call it- [I call] it down the corner. Now I-1532.8158 
1352DTA_int_011531.2156[This.]1531.4878
1353DTA_se3_ag4_f_011533.3375I got this term from a-1535.1010
1355 1535.2689from some people that live in the south.1536.9386 
1356DTA_int_011537.3169Mm-hm.1537.5488
1357DTA_se3_ag4_f_011537.6617And they had a little section there that they called down in the corner.1541.2078
1358DTA_int_011541.5229Oh.1541.7623
1359DTA_se3_ag4_f_011542.1758So I call this down in the [corner.]1544.2505
1360DTA_int_011543.8600[Do a lot of-]1544.2330
1361 1544.3917quite a few other people call it the same thing?1546.1593
1362DTA_se3_ag4_f_011546.8844No. I don't think, uh,1549.1150
1364 1549.9546I've heard anybody else call it1551.5755 
1366 1551.6792by any name.1552.5335 
1368 1552.7593That I paid any attention to.1554.1331 
1369DTA_int_011554.2704Hm.1554.4840
1370DTA_se3_ag4_f_011555.5976My next door neighbors are original1557.6772
1372 1558.2803people here. They1559.3787 
1374 1559.9195moved in here when the neighborhood started up.1562.0156 
1376 1563.3101And, uh, she's determined to die over there. She won't move.1566.4473 
1377DTA_int_011566.7860/Yeah/.1567.0423
1378DTA_se3_ag4_f_011567.8112So.1568.3581
1379DTA_int_011568.3764What are the boundaries of,1569.2476
1381 1569.5694well, down in the corner?1570.5579 
1383 1570.7685<laugh>1570.9790 
1384DTA_se3_ag4_f_011571.7639Well to me it starts right here with this corner and works up, because at this point here1576.6098
1386 1577.1010we're the closest to Highland Park, but then it cuts right across all the way up to where you're at Six Mile Road and Log Cabin, the next street over.1583.7029 
1387DTA_int_011583.8493Oh.1584.1117
1388DTA_se3_ag4_f_011584.5419You're still in Highland Park.1585.8295
1389DTA_int_011586.1071Oh.1586.4527
1390DTA_se3_ag4_f_011586.8280So this is really1587.7128
1392 1587.8104to me the corner, although it1589.0278 
1394 1589.2566does go widen out a little further.1591.3413 
1396 1591.4756But I'm only thinking from this street, up.1593.2399 
1397DTA_int_011593.9020I see.1594.3243
1399 1595.3184Um,1595.6876 
1401 1595.8829and1596.1514 
1403 1596.2704how- y- you say the name of1597.6342 
1405 1597.8356the city you live in?1598.7486 
1406DTA_se3_ag4_f_011599.6548Detroit.1600.3035
1407DTA_int_011601.5351/Heard ?/ tell us,1602.1890
1409 1602.2826from Pennsylvania says Detroit.1603.9058 
1411 1604.3360<laugh>1604.5900 
1412DTA_se3_ag4_f_011604.7486Oh, a lot of people call it,1605.9233
1414 1606.1857let's see.1606.6495 
1416 1606.9576Detroit like they say /Dias Sonara/1609.4420 
1418 1609.5457[<laugh>]1611.1674 
1419DTA_int_011610.0003[Yeah.]1610.2544
1421 1610.3856[<laugh>]1610.8249 
1422DTA_se3_ag4_f_011612.4298[This always] amuses us. We1614.1453
1423DTA_int_011612.5823[Um.]1612.9350
1424DTA_se3_ag4_f_011615.2742get the habit of1616.2102
1426 1617.3680mimicking people and-1618.5701 
1428 1619.0095there goes that /Dias Sonara/ bus.1621.1765 
1430 1621.3840[<laugh>]1622.3739 
1431DTA_int_011621.4725[<laugh>]1622.2871
1432DTA_se3_ag4_f_011622.5229We know it's D, S and R.1624.1003
1433DTA_int_011624.2925[Uh-huh.]1624.6945
1434DTA_se3_ag4_f_011624.4237[<laugh>]1624.7357
1435DTA_int_011626.0202Um, what are some of the-1626.9080
1437 1627.0749the main streets in Detroit?1628.4527 
1438DTA_se3_ag4_f_011629.1453Oh, Woodward Avenue is the main street.1631.0980
1440 1631.2292And of course you have0 um,1632.7433 
1442 1634.1376you could consider Jefferson in as much as it runs all the way to Port Huron, but I'd say Gratiot.1638.9660 
1444 1639.1887And, um,1640.2261 
1446 1642.3352Michigan Avenue.1643.4222 
1447DTA_int_011645.2925The one down by Cobo Hall is?1646.7486
1448DTA_se3_ag4_f_011647.5358That's Jefferson.1648.4694
1449DTA_int_011648.7562Uh-huh.1648.9942
1450DTA_se3_ag4_f_011649.6144At Washington Boulevard.1650.9080
1451DTA_int_011653.0568An- any others1654.0392
1453 1654.9179that you know?1655.2940 
1454DTA_se3_ag4_f_011657.9118[Well if you wanna count] Grand Boulevard that runs all the away the city. Or Eight Mile Road and Outer Drive.1664.0003
1455DTA_int_011658.0613[/There's one that up-/.]1659.2643
1456 1664.2011Oh,1664.5537
1458 1664.7395and Grand Boulevard runs all the way around?1666.0636 
1459DTA_se3_ag4_f_011666.2772Yeah, well in- in-1667.5778
1461 1667.8920on the inside, you see. It, uh, runs around from, um,1671.2551 
1463 1672.2589about half way up. At one time that was the end of the city.1675.6220 
1464DTA_int_011675.7959Oh.1676.1651
1465DTA_se3_ag4_f_011676.2849And, uh, it1677.0141
1467 1677.2429just sort of makes a-1679.0339 
1469 1680.6883a circle around in-1681.8386 
1471 1682.4496inside the three mile r-1683.8440 
1473 1683.9904uh, limit.1684.7837 
1474DTA_int_011685.2177Hm.1685.4466
1475DTA_se3_ag4_f_011686.3436But that's1686.9433
1477 1687.2406a good three miles from here. (laughing)1688.7761 
1478DTA_int_011688.8585Oh, I see.1689.5266
1480 1690.5548Hm.1690.7715 
1482 1690.8630That's interesting [to know.]1691.7625 
1483DTA_se3_ag4_f_011691.5869[Mm-hm.]1691.9347
1484DTA_int_011692.1605I'm not that familiar with Detroit, [so I'll keep these things in mind.]1694.6650
1485DTA_se3_ag4_f_011693.3779[You're not?]1693.8844
1487 1693.9637[Mm-hm.]1694.4313 
1488 1694.6998<laugh>1695.1514
1489DTA_int_011695.5327What about the big-1696.2009
1491 1696.5391the big, uh,1697.2352 
1492DTA_se3_ag4_f_011697.7700The main arteries?1698.6853
1493DTA_int_011698.6853Mm-hm.1698.9843
1494DTA_se3_ag4_f_011699.2162That's what I mean m-1700.1132
1496 1700.2657uh, Woodward Avenue would be your main north and south.1702.7837 
1497DTA_int_011703.0217Mm-hm.1703.3032
1498DTA_se3_ag4_f_011703.6601And then, [uh,]1704.5297
1499DTA_int_011704.1697[Well what about] there are some,1705.0392
1500 1705.4236uh,1705.7318
1502 1705.8477four- four and five lane.1707.0385 
1504 1707.8287You know,1708.0819 
1506 1708.5823[the-]1708.8261 
1507DTA_se3_ag4_f_011708.7013[Oh,] mean [the expressways?]1710.1086
1508DTA_int_011709.0987[limited access-]1709.7742
1509 1710.1086Uh-huh.1710.3466
1510DTA_se3_ag4_f_011710.7982Oh, we have, uh, John C Lodge.1713.1239
1512 1713.8867We have the Edsel Ford.1715.2230 
1514 1715.9561Of course, the John C Lodge goes into, um,1718.9515 
1516 1719.9995James Couzens.1721.2017 
1517DTA_int_011721.4740Mm-hm.1721.7211
1518DTA_se3_ag4_f_011722.7097Uh, the Chrysler. Those are the only ones that we have right in the city of Detroit.1726.2802
1519DTA_int_011726.4877Mm-hm.1726.7349
1520DTA_se3_ag4_f_011727.2688They're all apart of that I-ninety-four.1728.9740
1521DTA_int_011729.2497Oh.1729.4573
1523 1730.4343Um,1730.7115 
1525 1730.9622see, uh- where were you born?1731.9599 
1527 1732.0484Mm.1732.2802 
1528DTA_se3_ag4_f_011732.6769In South Carolina.1733.8218
1529DTA_int_011733.8798Mm-hm.1734.1265
1531 1734.5297And,1734.7982 
1533 1735.1918uh, where else have you lived in Detroit, here?1737.0523 
1534DTA_se3_ag4_f_011739.0766Oh, I've lived- lived on1740.3985
1536 1740.7494<laugh>1741.2894 
1538 1741.7318North Side.1742.7639 
1540 1743.5815This is the north1744.3980 
1542 1744.7409west side, I've l- lived in, um,1746.6304 
1544 1747.1277Ferndale which is much further out.1749.0187 
1545DTA_int_011749.4229Mm-hm.1749.6841
1546DTA_se3_ag4_f_011749.9355I've lived, um,1751.0735
1548 1751.4893almost directly across1753.3565 
1550 1754.0369on the East Side.1755.2051 
1552 1755.3283Um,1756.1979 
1554 1758.5663then I've lived1759.2467 
1556 1759.8233further south on the East Side, almost downtown.1762.9454 
1558 1763.7455I've lived on the West Side further south.1765.7196 
1560 1766.5198But it wouldn't be almost downtown, it would still be within that three mile circle. Um,1770.9355 
1561DTA_int_011772.4069Hm.1772.5825
1563 1773.1727So you've1773.4557 
1565 1774.1307moved around?1774.6494 
1566DTA_se3_ag4_f_011775.0979[Mm-hm.]1775.3359
1567DTA_int_011775.2291[Um,]1775.4570
1568 1775.6204where else have you lived about? Let's say outside of Detroit.1777.9332
1570 1778.5076[/inaudible/.]1778.9652 
1571DTA_se3_ag4_f_011778.7364[Brighton,] Michigan.1779.7158
1572DTA_int_011779.9141Mm-hm.1780.1768
1573DTA_se3_ag4_f_011781.3519For, um,1782.4622
1575 1784.2940I guess about three years we lived in Brighton, Michigan.1786.6525 
1577 1787.4008Course we were in, now Detroit, so much until you couldn't say that we lived in Brighton, Michigan.1791.4521 
1578DTA_int_011791.6975<laugh>1792.0483
1580 1792.9179Is that right on the edge of East Detroit?1794.3773 
1581DTA_se3_ag4_f_011794.3863No, it's twenty-seven miles out.1796.0643
1582DTA_int_011796.2352Oh.1796.4282
1583DTA_se3_ag4_f_011797.5429We were on a lake out there. We had a cottage out there. We1800.5934
1585 1801.1795moved out there with the idea of staying out there.1803.8295 
1587 1804.2558And, uh,1805.1406 
1589 1806.8622the war came along. (laughing)1808.0827 
1590DTA_int_011808.3702Hm.1808.6723
1591DTA_se3_ag4_f_011808.8920So we had to come back.1809.7554
1592DTA_int_011810.7409[/As you were/.]1811.3635
1593DTA_se3_ag4_f_011810.9179[We could get-] we could get tires for one car and gas for another car.1814.8645
1594 1815.1300But we couldn't get tires and gas for two cars, so1817.5777
1595DTA_int_011817.7974Mm.1818.0384
1596DTA_se3_ag4_f_011819.2406we had to come back in.1820.2108
1597DTA_int_011820.7791What- where have you gone on trips?1822.2863
1598DTA_se3_ag4_f_011822.7867[Oh.]1823.3733
1599DTA_int_011823.3458[To] see family, or.1824.2151
1600DTA_se3_ag4_f_011825.2894I've been as far south as South Carolina.1828.0551
1602 1829.3153I've been as far sout-1830.6364 
1604 1830.8012n- west1831.5090 
1606 1832.2810as Wyoming, I guess.1833.9568 
1608 1834.2222Denver, Colorado.1835.4274 
1610 1836.4076Uh, down to, um,1837.8996 
1612 1838.5167Las Vegas, Nevada.1839.7859 
1614 1841.3245U- um,1842.1110 
1616 1843.5060I've been to New York.1844.5596 
1618 1848.2001I guess that's it.1849.0880 
1619DTA_int_011849.2924Mm-hm.1849.5426
1621 1850.9316How does you family celebrate the- the holidays? Let's say for example, [Christmas.]1854.3530 
1622DTA_se3_ag4_f_011854.2886[Stay] at home. Oh, the Christmas holidays we-1857.0053
1623 1857.2581conventional manner.1858.3931
1625 1858.6402Christmas tree, Santa Claus, and all the trimmings.1861.5792 
1627 1862.7211Um,1863.3422 
1629 1863.6852the rest of the holidays we usually stay at home because the1866.4045 
1631 1867.0819traffic is a little more than we like to take. We very seldom go out on a holiday.1871.0857 
1632DTA_int_011871.2626Mm-hm.1871.5197
1634 1872.5083Are there any special, uh,1873.5914 
1636 1874.0529foods that you eat?1874.9011 
1637DTA_se3_ag4_f_011875.6425On a [holiday?]1876.3860
1638DTA_int_011876.1539[Uh, yeah,] or /??/.1877.2589
1639DTA_se3_ag4_f_011877.3054Oh, at Easter1878.3557
1641 1878.7219it's always ham.1879.8263 
1642DTA_int_011880.0560Mm-hm.1880.3062
1643DTA_se3_ag4_f_011881.5113At Christmas it's usually ham again.1883.9835
1644DTA_int_011884.1299Mm-hm.1884.4076
1645DTA_se3_ag4_f_011885.1734But, uh, at Thanksgiving we give in to the turkey. Although-1888.4503
1647 1888.9392well the youngsters like fowl, but I don't.1891.0422 
1648DTA_int_011891.4358Mm-hm.1891.7134
1649DTA_se3_ag4_f_011891.9484I can't stand chickens.1893.1971
1650DTA_int_011894.2619Hm.1894.5188
1652 1895.7333Um,1896.0537 
1654 1896.7314uh- what- when do the children1897.8471 
1656 1898.1583open their gifts and so forth?1899.8073 
1657DTA_se3_ag4_f_011899.9537Uh,1900.5029
1659 1900.6219that's always Christmas morning.1901.9798 
1660DTA_int_011902.1574Christmas morning.1902.6003
1661DTA_se3_ag4_f_011902.7768Mm-hm.1903.1551
1662DTA_int_011904.5563Um,1904.8279
1664 1905.1879now I-1905.7554 
1666 1905.9751you became1906.5731 
1668 1906.7684a Catholic later.1907.5838 
1670 1907.8248Do you remember your first communion?1909.2093 
1671DTA_se3_ag4_f_011910.2779[Yes.]1910.7821
1672DTA_int_011910.2779[Can you tell me about] that?1911.0616
1673DTA_se3_ag4_f_011911.1696Mm, well it wasn't a u- wasn't a very eventful thing. I-1914.6883
1675 1915.4236it was on the eighth of December.1917.3679 
1677 1918.4114And I went to the cathedral1920.1360 
1679 1921.4022and1921.7653 
1681 1921.9789in with a bunch of people, I received my first communion.1924.4694 
1683 1924.7470My husband was with me.1925.7669 
1684DTA_int_011926.0445Mm-hm.1926.3038
1685DTA_se3_ag4_f_011926.8012But that was all.1927.3382
1686DTA_int_011927.8843Mm.1928.0216
1688 1929.0170Um,1929.3282 
1690 1930.5121what-1930.7965 
1692 1931.2718oh, let's see that's more for children.1932.7981 
1694 1933.6996You remember at the end of October there's this1935.8678 
1696 1936.7684day that the1937.2545 
1698 1937.5319kids like [s-]1938.3382 
1699DTA_se3_ag4_f_011938.1238[Halloween?]1938.8828
1700DTA_int_011939.0391uh-huh.1939.3259
1701DTA_se3_ag4_f_011939.8843[Mm-hm.]1940.2809
1702DTA_int_011940.0613[Um,] and-1940.6692
1703 1941.2428uh, we used to make, um,1942.2892
1705 1942.9880jack-o-lanterns out of1943.9438 
1707 1944.0567what?1944.3618 
1708DTA_se3_ag4_f_011945.2619Pumpkins.1945.9331
1709DTA_int_011946.1314Uh-huh.1946.4587
1711 1946.8675And, uh,1947.3740 
1713 1947.6211the-1947.8866 
1715 1948.4999the woman who used to ride around on the broomstick would be a?1950.7340 
1716DTA_se3_ag4_f_011950.9598A witch.1951.5113
1717DTA_int_011951.6371Uh-huh.1951.9114
1719 1952.6051Um,1952.8980 
1721 1953.2581now,1953.5662 
1723 1953.6852when you went from-1954.3168 
1725 1954.5517I don't know if- did you used to go, um,1956.0964 
1727 1956.3740from door to [door?]1957.0532 
1728DTA_se3_ag4_f_011956.8957[Trick] or treat? No, in my day you didn't go trick or treat.1959.8713
1729DTA_int_011960.1703Uh-huh.1960.4297
1731 1961.0429[But did-]1961.2970 
1732DTA_se3_ag4_f_011961.0926[It was] all trick. [<laugh>]1962.7889
1733DTA_int_011962.2062[<laugh>]1962.8164
1734DTA_se3_ag4_f_011963.1520[And so] I stood on the porch and watched the tricks.1965.7005
1735DTA_int_011963.1673[<laugh>.]1963.4662
1736 1965.9720Uh-huh.1966.2588
1738 1966.7989What- what are some of the things that you would do?1968.5205 
1740 1968.8866Was this?1969.2595 
1741DTA_se3_ag4_f_011969.7409That's all I would do was stand and watch.1971.9831
1742DTA_int_011972.1519Uh-huh.1972.4494
1744 1973.0673Um,1973.3824 
1746 1974.2031now1974.5266 
1748 1974.9568did y- you never rang doorbells or [anything?]1976.8889 
1749DTA_se3_ag4_f_011976.2909[No, uh-uh.] I didn't. Uh, the youngsters here do.1979.2565
1750DTA_int_011979.4495Uh-huh.1979.7089
1752 1980.0902[What do they] say here when they-1981.0971 
1753DTA_se3_ag4_f_011980.1086[But.]1980.3234
1754 1981.1886They say trick or treat.1982.2321
1755DTA_int_011982.5105Uh-huh.1982.7638
1757 1983.7859And, um,1984.2822 
1759 1985.5197did-1985.7577 
1761 1985.9865you didn't have a- a special night before1987.8995 
1763 1988.2290Halloween1988.7181 
1765 1989.1543[did you?]1989.4315 
1766DTA_se3_ag4_f_011989.2794[No.]1989.8347
1767 1989.9537Uh-uh, I know that they do have but, uh,1992.5815
1768DTA_int_011992.7523Nothing like Devil's [Night, or?]1993.7866
1769DTA_se3_ag4_f_011993.6371[I was] an only child and a rather1995.4137
1770 1995.5510closely guarded one.1996.7584
1771DTA_int_011997.0155Uh-huh.1997.2622
1772DTA_se3_ag4_f_011997.6722And my mother didn't1998.9232
1774 1999.1703let me feel that these were things that were necessary2001.7828 
1776 2002.3259to your happiness. And so consequently, I just watched the rest.2005.3473 
1778 2006.0978And that was all I wanted to do. I never wanted to get in the /middle/.2008.7823 
1779DTA_int_012009.1650Hm.2009.4404
1781 2011.1123Um,2011.4388 
1783 2012.0368now when-2012.5868 
1785 2013.0689when-2013.3099 
1787 2013.7188here's the- the next section is- has to do with fighting, illness, and accidents, and so forth.2017.9087 
1789 2018.3175Um, when fights2019.5326 
1791 2019.6913will start around here, what do they usually start about?2021.6294 
1793 2021.7154What- what do kids fight about?2022.8591 
1794DTA_se3_ag4_f_012023.3534In this house?2024.2321
1795DTA_int_012024.4526Well, in this house or in the neighborhood.2026.4419
1797 2026.9788<laugh>2027.2504 
1799 2027.7333Probably in the neighborhood.2028.5998 
1800DTA_se3_ag4_f_012028.7676Oh, murder.2029.8705
1802 2030.8339Anything.2031.4930 
1803DTA_int_012031.9537Uh-huh.2032.2657
1804DTA_se3_ag4_f_012033.0185Um,2033.6295
1806 2037.3648what can be a /??/?2038.5564 
1808 2041.1856There's always a m-2042.0374 
1810 2042.2626um, background behind the thing that starts a fight.2045.4678 
1811DTA_int_012045.7424Mm-hm.2046.0261
1812DTA_se3_ag4_f_012046.5021And that usually is a matter of jealousy, so far as I have been able to see it.2050.6097
1814 2051.7241Uh, /RD-NAME-1/ and /RD-NAME-2/ can fight over who's supposed to wash dishes.2055.5570 
1815DTA_int_012055.7889Mm-hm.2056.0330
1816DTA_se3_ag4_f_012056.9605Uh,2057.6051
1818 2058.2123with the neighbors when they get into it, it's usually who said what.2061.1969 
1819DTA_int_012061.8103Uh-huh.2062.1428
1820DTA_se3_ag4_f_012065.6158It's usually nothing.2066.7943
1821DTA_int_012067.0017Uh-huh.2067.2977
1823 2068.3320Um,2068.6280 
1825 2068.8965alright-2069.1417 
1827 2069.2473now when they-2069.8614 
1829 2070.0414when they fight at, do they have any-2071.4083 
1831 2072.0802let's say they really get mad at each other, they- do they have any rules for well- what they would call a fair fight?2076.6821 
1832DTA_se3_ag4_f_012076.8835Oh, no. No, no. All's fair in love and war.2079.4167
1833DTA_int_012079.6211[<laugh>]2080.3106
1834DTA_se3_ag4_f_012080.2161[And] when they're fighting, that's war.2081.5441
1835DTA_int_012081.7271Uh-huh.2082.0217
1837 2083.2649But d- they have some restrictions. I mean, they don't-2085.1726 
1839 2086.3038they don't use certain2087.2529 
1841 2088.2245uh, I mean, would-2089.1886 
1843 2089.7347they- they wouldn't use knives or anything like [this, /??/?]2091.7977 
1844DTA_se3_ag4_f_012091.5723[No,] no knives. No2092.9758
1845 2093.2504nothing [like that. Just] their fist.2094.9079
1846DTA_int_012093.8278[<laugh>]2094.2516
1847DTA_se3_ag4_f_012095.6707They better not.2096.4983
1848DTA_int_012097.0841Uh-huh.2097.3953
1850 2098.2527Um,2098.5791 
1851DTA_se3_ag4_f_012099.0856This wasn't kosher when I was a child. [<laugh>]2101.8242
1852DTA_int_012101.5334[<laugh>]2101.8242
1853 2102.3946Yeah?2102.6688
1855 2104.4357Um,2104.7988 
1857 2105.8522did- did you ever see anyone get beat up real bad?2108.2192 
1858DTA_se3_ag4_f_012109.0475No.2109.5177
1860 2109.9903I never saw.2110.8324 
1862 2111.3358I've seen the police arrest a man once, and2113.9788 
1864 2114.8827um,2115.4411 
1866 2115.5570I don't know why2116.8293 
1868 2117.0673they were after the man2118.2580 
1870 2118.9201but they shot him.2120.0032 
1872 2120.1283And I saw this2121.3709 
1874 2121.4716because- and I almost s- was hit by the shot.2124.3465 
1875DTA_int_012124.5692Hm.2124.7883
1876DTA_se3_ag4_f_012125.7134For which my father was quite angry.2127.8316
1878 2128.1029Cause he'd a log-2128.9777 
1880 2129.1802I was out with my-2130.1909 
1882 2131.1794a younger cousin of mine and we were just walking. And all of a sudden here it was a policeman on this side of us and the man on that side, and the policeman had shot him.2138.6020 
1884 2139.4075I don't know how we walked into it.2140.6768 
1885DTA_int_012140.9025Hm.2141.0883
1887 2142.6119Yeah.2142.8835 
1889 2143.9941Uh, did you ever get2144.7851 
1891 2144.9224into a fight with someone bigger than you when you were, say, in school?2147.8898 
1892DTA_se3_ag4_f_012148.6211Oh, yes.2149.4628
1893DTA_int_012150.1627And what happened?2150.9608
1894DTA_se3_ag4_f_012151.2672Um,2151.9628
1896 2152.4022the youngsters would, uh, corner you,2154.6089 
1898 2155.5852and the habit at that particular time was to put a chip on your shoulder.2159.0246 
1900 2160.2671And you were supposed to knock it-2161.6188 
1902 2162.4067I mean, they put one on your shoulder or-2164.2832 
1904 2164.6767I don't know it. I really don't know the rules of that game.2167.0269 
1906 2167.5516Because whenever the chip time came, they always had to chase me down. I was a coward.2171.3510 
1907DTA_int_012171.5349Mm-hm.2171.8063
1908DTA_se3_ag4_f_012171.9102If I could go through the basement of the school and come up and get out and get away from it, I would.2175.6607
1909DTA_int_012175.9506Mm-hm.2176.2313
1910DTA_se3_ag4_f_012176.2557But once or twice I got caught.2177.6813
1912 2178.7492And, uh,2179.6096 
1914 2180.1069they were supposed to put a chip on my shoulder, and the other person was supposed to knock it off,2184.7401 
1916 2185.5486and we were supposed to start the fight.2187.1268 
1918 2188.3076But because I was frightened-2189.6691 
1920 2190.0780no, I wasn't frightened. I was scared.2192.2625 
1921DTA_int_012192.5715<laugh>2192.8922
1922DTA_se3_ag4_f_012193.7065And I wouldn't allow them to a sh-2195.1802
1924 2195.3785chip on my shoulder. You had to put the chip on your shoulder.2198.1069 
1926 2198.6295And then instead of knocking that chip off, I'd hit the person.2201.4922 
1927DTA_int_012201.9315Uh-huh.2202.2214
1928DTA_se3_ag4_f_012202.3953And then I would do what my daddy always said2204.5672
1930 2205.1054to do.2205.4685 
1932 2206.0543He said, he that fights and runs away shall live to fight another [day.] (laughing)2209.6676 
1933DTA_int_012209.5120[<laugh>]2209.7561
1934DTA_se3_ag4_f_012209.8873And I would say, feet2210.8339
1936 2211.0200take care /of all might/.2212.2618 
1938 2212.5791[<laugh>]2213.2206 
1939DTA_int_012212.5791[<laugh>]2213.3121
1940DTA_se3_ag4_f_012213.6966And they would. [And I'd fly.]2215.8628
1941DTA_int_012214.5448[<laugh>]2215.0604
1942DTA_se3_ag4_f_012216.6633Get out of there. I lived in a neighborhood once that was rather rough.2219.6874
1943DTA_int_012219.9010Mm-hm.2220.1725
1944DTA_se3_ag4_f_012220.3465And the youngsters thought that, um,2222.2542
1946 2223.9292you had to show who was2225.1679 
1948 2226.1908the master of the situation.2227.8506 
1950 2228.6691And this called for a fight.2229.8987 
1951DTA_int_012230.1916Hm.2230.4326
1952DTA_se3_ag4_f_012230.5608Whether you were a boy or girl, you had to2232.4288
1954 2233.4113prove it.2233.7682 
1955DTA_int_012234.0825Hm.2234.2473
1956DTA_se3_ag4_f_012234.4799Because some of the languages they use and things that they did were things that I wasn't used to in the neighborhoods that I always lived in.2240.1405
1958 2241.4654And for a brief spell I had to learn to take care of me.2244.8316 
1959DTA_int_012245.2160Mm-hm.2245.5364
1960DTA_se3_ag4_f_012246.6142And I would always do it that way, you know.2248.4899
1961DTA_int_012248.8537Hm.2249.0795
1962DTA_se3_ag4_f_012249.4494Chips had to put some place, they'd put it on somebody else's shoulder, not on mine.2253.5812
1963DTA_int_012253.9963[<laugh>]2254.4601
1964DTA_se3_ag4_f_012254.3289[And then] I'd just proceed to hit the other fella, and he'd-2256.9170
1965 2257.3441while he was getting up off the ground, I would be getting out of the way.2260.1885
1966DTA_int_012260.3777<laugh>2261.1382
1968 2262.8987I think you learned to handle yourself quite nicely.2264.6410 
1969DTA_se3_ag4_f_012264.6719[Mm-hm.]2265.2183
1970DTA_int_012265.1207[<laugh>]2265.5478
1971DTA_se3_ag4_f_012266.4723I could run very fast.2268.0200
1973 2269.3808Quite a runner.2270.1435 
1974DTA_int_012271.1451Um,2271.4898
1976 2272.1641uh, have you ever been in the hospital?2273.5410 
1977DTA_se3_ag4_f_012274.2122Oh, yes.2274.9780
1978DTA_int_012275.7042Can you tell-2276.2106
1980 2276.5013well, say,2277.1085 
1982 2277.8163[uh,]2278.0787 
1983DTA_se3_ag4_f_012277.9750[You] don't wanna hear that.2278.8941
1984DTA_int_012278.9612[well,]2279.2529
1985DTA_se3_ag4_f_012279.1443[<laugh>]2279.9528
1986DTA_int_012280.0444say it-2280.4540
1988 2280.7705the first time you were ever in the hospital, what were your first impressions.2283.3247 
1990 2283.5612Do you remember that?2284.4069 
1991DTA_se3_ag4_f_012285.3449Oh, the first time was for ton- for a tonsillectomy.2288.1496
1993 2289.3434And, um,2290.4265 
1995 2293.3350I wasn't frightened, I trusted everyone there.2296.2129 
1997 2297.2938So2297.7942 
1999 2298.8987impressions were a2300.2778 
2001 2300.4281bunch of other folks laying up in bed2302.1368 
2003 2302.9543that didn't seem to be ill, and I didn't feel that I was going to be ill.2306.3457 
2005 2306.7759And I really wasn't, because in2308.2923 
2007 2308.6492those days it-2309.1771 
2009 2310.4105you came in the morning and they2312.1649 
2011 2312.4212operated the next morning, and you went home the next.2314.8323 
2012DTA_int_012314.9208Mm-hm.2315.2167
2013DTA_se3_ag4_f_012315.5714So that was it was to it.2316.7522
2014DTA_int_012317.2129Hm.2317.5302
2015DTA_se3_ag4_f_012317.9482But I have spent some-2319.0474
2017 2319.5600as my oldest daughter, she's brought a new word home.2322.1008 
2019 2322.6027She calls it horrendous.2324.0276 
2021 2324.7423I have spent some horrendous times in the hospital since. [<laugh>]2328.2762 
2022DTA_int_012327.3243[<laugh>]2328.0993
2023 2329.0634Um,2329.3563
2025 2329.8323when a-2330.1191 
2027 2330.2777when a person,2330.9132 
2029 2331.7217uh, is-2332.5882 
2031 2332.7926well,2333.0428 
2033 2333.7148sick. He has a-2334.6546 
2035 2334.9231he has a cold,2335.4875 
2037 2335.9696and2336.4341 
2039 2336.6630if that person comes around then you might be afraid of,2338.7408 
2041 2339.0703um, what?2339.5135 
2042DTA_se3_ag4_f_012340.3037Catching it?2340.7461
2043DTA_int_012341.2617Uh-huh.2341.6579
2044DTA_se3_ag4_f_012341.7621Catching the cold. Is that what you mean?2343.2731
2045DTA_int_012343.3464Yeah.2343.5728
2047 2343.7217Uh-huh.2343.9780 
2049 2344.7163Um,2345.1099 
2051 2347.0054let's see. Have you ever been in a- in a situation where you thought you might get killed or you might die?2350.7830 
2052DTA_se3_ag4_f_012353.8384Well I'm terribly afraid of flying and every time I get in an airplane, I-2358.3617
2054 2359.7682take it for better or for worse.2361.1542 
2056 2363.0489But, I'm not panicked.2364.3769 
2058 2365.5333Uh, I don't think I've ever been anywhere where I was really panicked.2368.5882 
2060 2370.6027I was on the Boblo Boat once when the-2372.9009 
2062 2373.4929a storm blew up2374.4906 
2064 2375.3876and they had to pull the boat out from the shore.2377.2831 
2066 2379.1023But2379.2671 
2068 2380.0115I really wasn't frightened at that time.2381.8521 
2069DTA_int_012382.1725Mm-hm.2382.4593
2070DTA_se3_ag4_f_012384.0672But I am terribly afraid of fire.2385.6970
2071DTA_int_012385.9322Mm-hm.2386.1427
2072DTA_se3_ag4_f_012387.0123And I've never been2387.9742
2074 2388.9139in any place that was on fire, so.2390.9620 
2076 2391.9658I've2392.4539 
2078 2393.0855forgone that (laughing)2394.4806 
2079DTA_int_012394.4806<laugh>2394.7985
2080DTA_se3_ag4_f_012394.9536unpleasant experience.2396.4028
2081DTA_int_012396.6508Sometimes people say that-2397.6423
2083 2397.8864uh, well when something happens to them they say, well2399.9803 
2085 2400.1572I could'nt've2400.7949 
2087 2401.0756prevented that. Whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen.2403.1938 
2089 2403.2915Uh, what do you say to this?2404.4417 
2090DTA_se3_ag4_f_012406.6484Well I sort of believe that2408.5287
2092 2408.7057the will of God will be.2410.4356 
2094 2411.1462I just try to submit myself to his will.2414.0092 
2095DTA_int_012414.2572Mm-hm.2414.5226
2096DTA_se3_ag4_f_012415.4074That's all.2415.7491
2098 2416.9085Now that's not just a Catholic philosophy, that's been my philosophy all along.2421.0260 
2099DTA_int_012421.2610Mm-hm.2421.4379
2100DTA_se3_ag4_f_012422.6767I'm not a fatalist, I don't think it's got to happen.2425.2922
2101DTA_int_012425.2922Mm-hm.2425.5897
2102DTA_se3_ag4_f_012426.2014But I do know that once you see the situation is set up,2429.2716
2104 2430.3830then you- there's no necessity is trying to2432.4494 
2106 2433.3830do too much about it.2434.4204 
2107DTA_int_012434.6950Mm-hm.2435.0060
2109 2435.7758Okay.2436.1542