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1DTA_se3_ag4_f_030.4970[That] could be it too. Because now, we didn't have, when I was a kid in school, we didn't have a6.5468
2DTA_int_030.5031[Mm-hm.]0.8143
3DTA_se3_ag4_f_036.9434lot of things like science and9.2860
5 10.2867l- the only extra curricular thing we had was uh,13.7204 
7 15.1788we called it /calithenics/ calisthenics.17.6825 
8DTA_int_0317.7618Mm-hm.18.1218
9DTA_se3_ag4_f_0320.0257And uh, these other things like reading and spelling.23.8294
11 24.7596We had it in a-25.5956 
13 26.0122in a26.4515 
15 26.6773competition. A very friendly [competition.]29.6866 
16DTA_int_0329.2961[Mm-hm.]29.9063
17 30.1931Mm-hm.30.5287
18DTA_se3_ag4_f_0330.5958And everybody learned to read, see who could read the best.34.6336
19DTA_int_0334.7374Mm-hm.35.1706
20DTA_se3_ag4_f_0335.2367Without missing a word36.6402
21DTA_int_0336.6646Mm-hm.37.1000
22DTA_se3_ag4_f_0337.1345and to see who could uh,38.4953
24 38.6966put the emphasis in the right places.40.6500 
26 40.9246We had time for that.42.1145 
27DTA_int_0342.3464Yeah.42.7393
28DTA_se3_ag4_f_0342.9200We had time to spell.44.4639
29DTA_int_0344.6103Yeah.44.9154
31 45.3975Did you ever have a big spelling contest [with-]47.6413 
32DTA_se3_ag4_f_0347.3789[Yes. Spelling contest.]49.5085
33DTA_int_0348.1600[What do you call it?]48.6847
34DTA_se3_ag4_f_0349.6611A spelling bee50.5687
35DTA_int_0350.6053[Mm-hm.]50.9531
36DTA_se3_ag4_f_0350.7823[Spelling] matches.51.8867
37DTA_int_0352.0027Spelling [match.]52.8491
38DTA_se3_ag4_f_0352.5092[That's what] they were called,53.5734
39 53.7153spelling match.54.5839
41 55.7202And uh,56.7609 
43 58.1033I remember, we had spelling,60.1415 
45 60.7303cause everybody spelled62.4175 
47 63.1131from the-64.1261 
49 65.2428the second grade, I'd say, um,67.1974 
50DTA_int_0367.2767Mm-hm.67.5086
51DTA_se3_ag4_f_0367.5086up.67.8137
52 68.2592No matter how69.1562
54 69.6688far up you go. Course, our schools only went to the72.9790 
56 73.3207s- through the sixth grade where I went at-75.4631 
58 75.8128[at first.]76.5973 
59DTA_int_0375.9235[Mm-hm.]76.2286
60DTA_se3_ag4_f_0377.7689Everybody was in spelling class.79.8971
61DTA_int_0380.0862Mm-hm.80.5376
62DTA_se3_ag4_f_0380.7026And uh,81.5630
64 81.7704uh, in a spelling class, and got so that everybody spells so well that everybody was in the same class.88.7074 
65DTA_int_0388.7996[Mm-hm.]89.1319
66DTA_se3_ag4_f_0388.9766[Most] the time, except the beginners.90.6446
67 93.0932And the teacher, we- uh, if you stood head of the class,96.2401
68DTA_int_0396.3866Mm-hm.96.7832
69DTA_se3_ag4_f_0396.7832you just about stayed there.98.3738
70DTA_int_0398.6566Mm-hm.99.1508
71DTA_se3_ag4_f_0399.3705Cause everybody spell.100.9013
73 101.2064And spelled well.102.3902 
75 104.0317Uh. Course that was just in one school I went.106.5163 
77 107.5719And uh,108.4445 
79 109.1944we spelled so well, the teacher would send us to the board.111.7756 
81 112.5994Make us write our spelling on the board. Have us write our spelling on the board.116.5615 
82DTA_int_03116.5615/inaudible/117.2436
83DTA_se3_ag4_f_03117.3548And you really did get it.118.6362
84DTA_int_03118.9524/inaudible/119.6791
85DTA_se3_ag4_f_03119.6305I was a good speller, but I- look, I- I can't spell very well now.123.2185
86 123.7616We've had adult spelling classes since I've been in Detroit and I uh,127.7737
88 128.7866never could win the first prize (laughing), I'd always get the second.133.3771 
90 133.6517[<laugh>]135.8123 
91DTA_int_03133.7920[<laugh>]134.4571
92 136.4165They don't- they don't137.2830
94 138.1373compete about this kinda thing [anymore?]140.0635 
95DTA_se3_ag4_f_03139.5701[No.] They don't.140.4191
96 140.6441[Mm-hm.]141.2604
97DTA_int_03140.6441[They see who] can fight best.141.9987
98DTA_se3_ag4_f_03141.9987Yes.142.7127
99 143.1887Yes.143.7623
101 143.9575Mm-hm.144.4762 
102DTA_int_03144.4762Where would you sit in school? did you have146.5784
104 147.2557[tables?] or [did you have-]148.3917 
105DTA_se3_ag4_f_03147.2802[We-]147.5975
107 147.9819[We had]148.6714 
108 149.4098we sat on benches.150.6919
109DTA_int_03150.7895Mm-hm.151.1923
111 152.0235And did you152.6520 
112DTA_se3_ag4_f_03152.8106[Well in-] in grade school, i- they- we had desks.155.6590
113DTA_int_03153.0425[/inaudible/]153.7992
114 155.8420Mm-hm.156.2143
116 157.5418Um.157.9445 
118 160.6674What did you- what was outside the school?162.7055 
120 163.1535Did you have any kind of164.3044 
121DTA_se3_ag4_f_03164.7828Playground, [you mean?]166.0764
122DTA_int_03165.4723[Mm-hm.]165.8700
123DTA_se3_ag4_f_03167.2359Well, we just called it the school [ground.]169.3717
124DTA_int_03169.2862[Mm-hm.]169.7866
125DTA_se3_ag4_f_03169.9636Mm-hm.170.4945
126DTA_int_03170.4945Were there things to swing [on?]172.1665
127DTA_se3_ag4_f_03171.9712[No.] We didn't have anything like that.174.2142
128DTA_int_03174.7390What do the kids have now? They have [swings and?]177.3121
129DTA_se3_ag4_f_03176.9723[Swings] and-178.1614
130 179.1011And uh.179.9342
132 184.2188Uh.184.8293 
133DTA_int_03184.8293Did you ever sit185.6042
135 186.2144one on each end of a board?187.7156 
136DTA_se3_ag4_f_03187.7156[Yes.]188.5366
137DTA_int_03188.4670[What do you call that?]189.2393
138DTA_se3_ag4_f_03188.7206[Mm-hm.]189.4346
139DTA_int_03190.3438[What do you call that?]191.0893
140DTA_se3_ag4_f_03190.6306[Well, we] called it a see-saw.192.3392
141DTA_int_03192.1969[Uh-huh.]192.6789
142DTA_se3_ag4_f_03192.7400[At that time.] <laugh>194.0702
143DTA_int_03192.7781[So did we.]193.4034
144 195.3700Uh.195.7666
146 197.3532Let's see.197.8414 
148 200.6173When you- what time did you get out of school in the afternoon? Do you remember?204.6394 
149DTA_se3_ag4_f_03204.9750Three thirty.205.8524
150DTA_int_03206.0415Mm-hm.206.5175
152 206.8348And so you'd get home around quarter?208.5378 
153DTA_se3_ag4_f_03209.0534We'd get home about four. Sometime we- we went- we walked quite a way to school.214.0716
154DTA_int_03214.4089Oh, I [see.]214.9825
155DTA_se3_ag4_f_03214.8239[Sometimes] we'd be after four.216.6793
156 216.8014most of the times, would be after four.218.7174
157DTA_int_03219.1446Did you ever get home around five minutes, uh221.4365
159 222.3519before four? Around [five minutes] what?224.3108 
160DTA_se3_ag4_f_03223.5054[No.]224.0362
161 225.2750I never got home before four, [because] we walked a little more than a mile.229.5839
162DTA_int_03227.2285[Mm-hm.]227.5946
163 229.8278Oh my gosh.230.4986
165 231.0925When uh,231.5379 
167 232.1848when did you have to leave for school in the morning?234.1978 
168DTA_se3_ag4_f_03235.6815<ts> We left for school237.0016
170 237.4044a- about a quarter to eight.239.0891 
171DTA_int_03239.4125Mm-hm.239.8030
173 240.6207Mm-hm.241.0517 
174DTA_se3_ag4_f_03241.6154Cause school took in at eight thirty si-243.8546
176 244.0621so many children live such a distance, they didn't246.8075 
178 247.4604take in so early.248.5893 
179DTA_int_03249.1568Did you ever have a teacher who hollered a lot?250.8593
180DTA_se3_ag4_f_03253.0031I don't think I did.254.2175
181DTA_int_03254.5287Who was the best teacher you ever had?256.2739
182DTA_se3_ag4_f_03257.5919My very first teacher.259.4121
183DTA_int_03259.7231Mm-hm.260.1624
184DTA_se3_ag4_f_03260.2052Her name was Ms. /RD-NAME-2/.262.0802
185DTA_int_03262.3763Mm-hm.262.8767
186DTA_se3_ag4_f_03264.5731She was- I was s- shy and she used to, she got me out of that shyness.270.2111
187DTA_int_03270.5284How'd she do [it?]271.1508
188DTA_se3_ag4_f_03271.0715[A little] bit out of it, not very much, cause I still am.274.2087
189 274.7701<laugh>275.1179
190DTA_int_03275.1545Uh. Glad your son-in-law is here to- <laugh> to contradict you.279.4799
192 280.2427Um.280.6088 
194 280.7491Did you ever have a teacher you just couldn't stand?283.2655 
195DTA_se3_ag4_f_03286.9916I had some that I thought didn't like me so well, but [uh.]290.9580
196DTA_int_03290.4821[Mm-hm.]290.8550
197DTA_se3_ag4_f_03291.4462I didn't have so much against them.293.3388
198DTA_int_03293.6073Mm-hm.293.9552
200 294.3395<ts>294.4493 
202 294.6446Who was the smartest kid in your class?296.4569 
203DTA_se3_ag4_f_03298.0837My younger brother.299.1583
204DTA_int_03299.4871Mm-hm.299.8228
206 300.7747Uh.300.9883 
208 301.7632What did he do that was so good?303.1797 
209DTA_se3_ag4_f_03304.5946Well, he um.306.3469
211 306.4901He learned to- he learned to read and write and he caught up with me.310.5327 
212DTA_int_03310.6910[Mm-hm.]310.9961
213DTA_se3_ag4_f_03310.8375[In] everything [except] arithmetic.313.0037
214DTA_int_03311.8992[Mm-hm.]312.1921
215 313.1014[Mm-hm.]313.3088
216DTA_se3_ag4_f_03313.1624[We] didn't have real grades, you know.315.1273
217 316.1524Um.316.7338
219 317.9603But I was determined that he shouldn't catch up with me in arithmetic, but I was very good in arithmetic. I was never- was good in the languages and325.0841 
221 325.7736other things like that.327.2034 
222DTA_int_03330.4436Uh.330.7853
224 331.5054I can't even [add.]332.5610 
225DTA_se3_ag4_f_03332.3929[But my] family never said one word about it, I mean, you know, they didn't337.0122
226 337.2603try to make him think he was the smartest,339.3594
228 339.7683or didn't try to make me think I was dumb.341.9760 
229DTA_int_03342.1530Mm-hm.342.7182
230DTA_se3_ag4_f_03342.7914And that was one good thing, I think back about that.345.4581
231DTA_int_03345.6472Yeah. [They were.]346.4167
232DTA_se3_ag4_f_03346.0439[They were] very nice about that, they kept that <laugh>349.0555
233DTA_int_03350.3064How much younger was he?351.4719
234DTA_se3_ag4_f_03351.7083He was three years younger than I was.353.7846
235DTA_int_03354.0531Mm-hm.354.4742
237 354.7610That must have been hard [on him, yeah.]356.9300 
238DTA_se3_ag4_f_03355.7365[Yes.]356.7250
239DTA_int_03357.7014What did the teacher do with dumb kids?359.7639
240DTA_se3_ag4_f_03361.7827[Well, she would, um. She] would keep them in.364.6079
241DTA_int_03361.7827[/inaudible/ dumb ones?]363.4968
242 364.9175Mm-hm.365.2653
243DTA_se3_ag4_f_03365.5779And uh.366.4003
245 366.5895Have them s-367.2119 
247 367.7932study their lesson over and uh,370.1900 
249 371.6009she would try work with 'em.372.9771 
250DTA_int_03373.2639Mm-hm.373.6117
252 374.9280Um.375.3673 
254 376.4596Did-376.6793 
256 377.0698Was there a lot of fighting378.3757 
258 379.7369among the boys?380.5667 
259DTA_se3_ag4_f_03380.9634Yes, there's a bit of fighting, not an awful lot.383.7277
260DTA_int_03384.0267Yeah.384.2768
262 384.5081Uh. Normal.385.1916 
263DTA_se3_ag4_f_03385.1916Just normal.386.1353
264 386.2543Mm-hm.386.8505
265DTA_int_03386.8505Were the- what were the rules for a fair fight?389.0016
266DTA_se3_ag4_f_03391.4378You don't hit anybody with anything394.2027
267DTA_int_03394.4102[Mm-hm.]394.8190
268DTA_se3_ag4_f_03394.7135[but] your fist or your hand or <laugh>397.0209
269 397.1673your foot.397.6028
271 397.9592[<laugh>]398.6488 
272DTA_int_03398.1520[You're allowed] to kick?398.9513
273 399.7202<laugh> Okay.400.6050
274DTA_se3_ag4_f_03400.8111In a fight.401.5007
275DTA_int_03401.7936Yeah.402.1303
277 402.2370Mm.402.3713 
279 402.4628Were you allowed to bite?403.3476 
280DTA_se3_ag4_f_03403.8236No.404.2568
281DTA_int_03404.7023What about hair pulling?405.6009
282DTA_se3_ag4_f_03406.7542No, that wasn't allowed either.408.7107
283DTA_int_03409.4571Could you scratch?410.2870
284DTA_se3_ag4_f_03411.5843Uh, you weren't supposed to scratch, you got in413.7856
286 413.9137trouble if you scratched.415.1830 
287DTA_int_03415.2928Mm-hm.415.6773
289 416.1166Ho-416.3729 
291 416.9099What would happen if a big guy started picking on a little guy?419.8845 
292DTA_se3_ag4_f_03421.5375Oh.422.2991
294 423.7331Everybody would get on the big guy. [<laugh> He'd] have a hard time (laughing), he had a hard way to go.429.0603 
295DTA_int_03425.7494[Mm-hm.]426.1705
297 426.3596[Mm-hm.]426.7319 
298DTA_se3_ag4_f_03429.1678[<laugh>]431.0139
299DTA_int_03430.7027[Yeah.]431.1555
300 431.5021So, the way you enforced these rules [was by everybody.]434.6784
301DTA_se3_ag4_f_03433.6471[Mm-hm.]434.3486
302 434.6845Yes. [Yes.]436.1366
303DTA_int_03435.6503[Yeah, yeah.]436.3258
304 436.5150Okay.437.0032
306 437.5951Um.437.9622 
308 441.1045Let's see. Did you have uh.442.8131 
310 445.2941Did you ever see anybody get beaten up real bad?447.4176 
311DTA_se3_ag4_f_03451.7254Now, we had one bad fight453.7545
313 453.9376in our school. I had a brother456.0920 
314DTA_int_03456.2918[Mm-hm.]456.6091
315DTA_se3_ag4_f_03456.4203[that] was457.0732
316 457.7652my brothers were458.4434
318 459.6518They was- it was said that they would fight a sa- si- circle saw and it running, but they never started any fights.465.6461 
319DTA_int_03465.6461<laugh>466.3240
320DTA_se3_ag4_f_03467.3064A boy with a knife469.5693
322 470.2588and that was something471.8102 
324 472.4190very new and unusual back in my day.475.2036 
326 476.2227Started at him with a knife, he raised his foot and kicked him in the stomach and laid him481.3017 
328 481.5214flat on his back.482.6869 
330 482.8821He was out.483.7242 
331DTA_int_03484.3222Mm-hm.484.5907
332DTA_se3_ag4_f_03485.0362That's the worst thing that I ever s- saw.487.1095
334 487.3035[I never] saw any real bad fights where489.4331 
335DTA_int_03487.3035[Mm-hm.]487.6879
336DTA_se3_ag4_f_03489.8481people got beat up or black [eyes or anything] like that.493.1700
337DTA_int_03491.8418[Mm-hm.]492.2384
338 493.6600Then493.9480
340 494.3995what happened to the guy with the knife? Did they take the knife away from him?497.1278 
341DTA_se3_ag4_f_03498.1607They didn't have to. He dropped it. <laugh>501.4321
342DTA_int_03500.4221[He did. (laughing)] Yeah, [but I mean did the let him] get it back when he [came to?]504.6176
343DTA_se3_ag4_f_03502.0945[Got kick ins]503.0127
345 504.1510[Oh] no. Uh-uh. No.505.7633 
346 506.0239No.506.4022
348 507.0979They didn't let him get it back. I don't think he ever got the knife again.510.5411 
349DTA_int_03510.6581Mm.510.9498
350DTA_se3_ag4_f_03510.9072Mm-hm.511.5480
351 511.8555[He did come to.]513.0698
352DTA_int_03511.8555[/inaudible/]513.2895
353DTA_se3_ag4_f_03513.4175He did come to.514.2720
355 514.5343That was- uh,515.4464 
357 516.2275that was- that was in school.517.9196 
358DTA_int_03518.0251Mm-hm.518.2997
359DTA_se3_ag4_f_03518.3852Mm-hm.518.9466
360DTA_int_03519.3859Yeah. [What would the-]520.1164
361DTA_se3_ag4_f_03519.5603[And I think the] teachers took it.520.9570
362DTA_int_03521.2438Yeah.521.5245
364 521.7015Yeah.521.9456 
366 522.3361Well, that's good.523.0195 
368 523.7419Uh. Did you have a s-524.7379 
370 525.0705group of girls you hung around with?526.5550 
371DTA_se3_ag4_f_03526.7563Yes.527.4764
372DTA_int_03528.0039How many of them were there?528.9617
373DTA_se3_ag4_f_03531.1216Well, there were three in the inner group.533.5946
374DTA_int_03533.8590[Uh-huh.]534.1275
375DTA_se3_ag4_f_03534.0726[And] there were about534.9696
376 535.8666six in all536.8081
377DTA_int_03536.9546[Uh-huh.]537.2658
378DTA_se3_ag4_f_03537.1132[of us.]537.6258
379 538.4480But there were three of us who were540.2489
381 541.6219n- n- just like that. [<laugh>]543.7210 
382DTA_int_03543.0864[Mm-hm.]543.4098
383 544.8226Were545.1338
385 545.5060Let's see.546.0186 
387 546.2993What was-546.7570 
389 547.4770Was there any one girl that everybody listened to?549.9488 
390DTA_se3_ag4_f_03550.2295Yes.550.8519
391DTA_int_03550.9556Who was that?551.3889
392DTA_se3_ag4_f_03551.5963That was- uh,552.5056
394 553.1951that was a girl, she was a little older than I [was.]556.0835 
395DTA_int_03555.9920[Mm-hm.]556.4496
396DTA_se3_ag4_f_03556.5351It wasn't me. I wasn't the one.558.4344
397DTA_int_03558.9850Yeah.559.3159
398DTA_se3_ag4_f_03559.5511I was the [kind of a]561.0090
399DTA_int_03560.3148[You were shy.]561.4071
400DTA_se3_ag4_f_03561.6279Uh-huh.562.0002
402 562.3663Kind of a hold back, I never got into trouble like the other kids.565.4767 
403DTA_int_03565.4767Mm-hm.565.8489
404DTA_se3_ag4_f_03566.3095They would566.8770
406 567.2492go where they shouldn't go, and I would let them go, and I'd just stand and what 'em go and571.7034 
408 571.9617other- the other way.573.3448 
409DTA_int_03573.5340Mm-hm.573.9817
411 576.0815Uh.576.3317 
413 577.6010What577.8261 
415 577.9725What was it about her that made everybody listen to her?580.6032 
416DTA_se3_ag4_f_03581.1003Well,581.7838
418 582.2292uh, she was really, I would say now, dynamic. I didn't know the name then.586.6075 
419DTA_int_03586.8089Mm-hm.587.1689
421 587.2849<laugh>587.7608 
423 588.4138Yeah.588.6029 
424DTA_se3_ag4_f_03588.9752Yes. She really was. <laugh>590.8015
425DTA_int_03592.1626Uh.592.4998
427 592.7927If you could593.7568 
429 593.9643do it all over again,595.2214 
431 595.9587wha- if596.4346 
433 596.6970you know, knowing what you know now, is there anything you would do different?599.9056 
435 602.4136If you could start again.603.5669 
436DTA_se3_ag4_f_03604.4761No.605.1290
438 605.6063I don't know of anything I would do different.607.9312 
439DTA_int_03608.4824Mm-hm.608.8668
440DTA_se3_ag4_f_03609.7089But, uh.610.6547
442 612.2779I never612.9674 
444 614.6299want the days back. Only, there's so many opportunities now618.3291 
445DTA_int_03618.5854Mm-hm.618.9333
446DTA_se3_ag4_f_03619.2750that we didn't have when I was coming along.621.5596
447DTA_int_03622.1088[What would you do if you were a teenager now?]624.0004
448DTA_se3_ag4_f_03622.1210[That- that's the only thing.]624.0615
449 624.7167If I was a teenager now, I would627.0204
451 631.1192I would be a scientist.632.6992 
452DTA_int_03633.0041Mm-hm.633.3092
454 633.8157Mm-hm.634.1086 
455DTA_se3_ag4_f_03634.8654I was very good in math.637.2026
457 639.8841Very few times that I didn't make all A's.642.5752 
458DTA_int_03642.6241Mm-hm.642.9658
459DTA_se3_ag4_f_03643.8201And a lot of things I was always good about646.5294
461 646.9078even now.647.6953 
463 648.0126Figuring out how to do things, I worked in the school since I've been in Detroit.652.0669 
465 652.8792And uh,653.6054 
467 653.7457then I've worked in service too.655.5337 
468DTA_int_03656.0340Mm-hm.656.3086
469DTA_se3_ag4_f_03656.6992And everybody657.6023
471 658.0538ha- ha-658.5392 
473 658.7263gave me the name of having a lot of ingenuity.661.5515 
475 661.7651Well, I do have and I have always thought that I have.664.9472 
476DTA_int_03665.2096[Mm-hm.]665.4476
477DTA_se3_ag4_f_03665.2462[That is] one thing I did666.4649
478 667.0202uh, kind of think that I had a lot of ingenuity, getting things done, you know, the easiest way.672.1086
480 672.4076I'm not fast and quick.673.9026 
481DTA_int_03674.1894Mm-hm.674.5949
482DTA_se3_ag4_f_03674.6532But I can just smooth off work. [<laugh>]677.0320
483DTA_int_03676.8550[Mm-hm.] <laugh>677.4774
484DTA_se3_ag4_f_03678.9085I'm s- really slow.680.1289
485DTA_int_03680.4524Mm-hm.680.7147
486DTA_se3_ag4_f_03681.0260But I can get681.6484
488 681.7521things done, everybody always said.684.1249 
490 684.4347Get things done so easily, and didn't look like I was working.687.4273 
492 687.5735[<laugh>]687.9820 
493DTA_int_03687.6870[Mm-hm.]687.9921
494 688.3033Mm-hm.688.6267
495DTA_se3_ag4_f_03688.9745I can't say that about myself, but oth- I didn't notice it, but other people told me that.693.6058
496DTA_int_03693.8926Mm-hm.694.2038
498 695.3496And that- that's what you made [to be /inaudible/] Mm-hm.698.3228 
499DTA_se3_ag4_f_03697.0109[Yes.]697.8774
500DTA_int_03698.6848Just sit there and work at it.699.9967
501DTA_se3_ag4_f_03700.2042Mm-hm.700.8449
502DTA_int_03702.1142Uh. If you had all the money in the world,704.2337
504 704.8744just sort of handed to you.706.2211 
505DTA_se3_ag4_f_03708.7596<laugh>709.6505
506DTA_int_03710.4348What would you do with it?711.2979
507DTA_se3_ag4_f_03712.1096Well, uh.713.4111
509 716.7490I would, um,717.9267 
511 718.7069give it to orphanages,720.7961 
512DTA_int_03721.0036Mm-hm.721.4124
513DTA_se3_ag4_f_03721.8274I'd send it overseas to the people who need it, you know, those people who are suffering.727.7583
515 728.6473Of course, I'd remember my family too. [<laugh>]732.4915 
516DTA_int_03731.6433[<laugh>]732.1863
517 732.6745Yeah.732.9979
518DTA_se3_ag4_f_03732.9979And my church734.1024
519 734.5017and other churches.735.8228
521 737.7267I'd even remember739.1119 
523 739.5329if I had740.2393 
525 740.6909oh, zillions and zillions, I'd even give some to743.7480 
527 744.1142uh, to my country.745.4455 
529 745.8053[<laugh>]746.2784 
530DTA_int_03746.1473[<laugh>]747.1783
531DTA_se3_ag4_f_03747.3674To the town, city, state. [<laugh>]750.0649
532DTA_int_03749.7353[Mm.]749.9550
533DTA_se3_ag4_f_03750.3394Especially the schools.751.6941
534DTA_int_03751.7908Mm-hm.752.1213
536 752.3898Mm-hm.752.7437 
538 753.0549Mm-hm.753.3722 
540 754.6842Uh.754.9405 
541DTA_se3_ag4_f_03755.3920It just wouldn't do for me to get756.7925
543 757.1220hold of all the money in the world, [everybody would] live well. [<laugh>]761.8804 
544DTA_int_03759.0002[<laugh>]759.3968
546 760.2573[<laugh>]761.6180 
547DTA_se3_ag4_f_03762.6594<laugh>763.5321
549 764.2932I even think of people I dislike, and I- you know, you know how sit down and dream that way,769.2749 
550DTA_int_03769.5720[Uh-huh.]769.7978
551DTA_se3_ag4_f_03769.5922[I-] you think of thi-770.4934
552 770.7985people I dislike, say, well, I'd give her a little bit too.773.7064
554 773.8268[<laugh>]775.4300 
555DTA_int_03774.0791[<laugh>]774.5635
557 775.0408[Not enough] to make her feel [uppish.]776.7799 
558DTA_se3_ag4_f_03776.5907[Not-] not enough to make her uppish, [but. <laugh>]780.0581
559DTA_int_03778.4044[<laugh>]780.3998
560DTA_se3_ag4_f_03780.3998[<laugh>]780.9795
561 781.2541So, she wouldn't have to suffer. [<laugh>]784.9025
562DTA_int_03783.2671[Right.]783.5234
564 783.8895[Right.]784.2129 
566 784.4692[Right.]784.7072 
567 787.2476Oh my.788.0348
569 788.5713How did your family celebrate the holidays, Ms. /RD-NAME-2/?791.5517 
570DTA_se3_ag4_f_03791.9237Well, we usually go to a park.794.6025
571DTA_int_03794.8405Mm-hm.795.2066
572DTA_se3_ag4_f_03795.2583And sometimes, we celebrate in the backyard.797.8822
573DTA_int_03797.9404Mm-hm.798.4952
575 799.1238And what about Christmas?800.3546 
576DTA_se3_ag4_f_03801.2455Oh, we ha- we802.2340
578 802.4232We put on the dog at Christmas [ti- (laughing)] That's awful.805.9343 
579DTA_int_03804.3112[<laugh>]805.1533
580DTA_se3_ag4_f_03806.4347We have lights all around here and inside and outside and.811.7089
582 813.2149Uh.814.1119 
584 815.4848Sometime, we have guests in. My folks are not much at having guests in.819.7456 
585DTA_int_03819.9409Mm-hm.820.2643
586DTA_se3_ag4_f_03820.2643But what I like to do, I like to have a day and have823.0530
587 823.7845everybody come, open house.825.3864
588DTA_int_03825.4041Mm-hm.825.7520
589DTA_se3_ag4_f_03825.8236An open house day. That's what I used to do when I was housekeeping.828.8519
591 829.3949I'd have open house-830.5652 
593 830.6750an open house day at c-831.8471 
595 832.0344at Christmas.832.8338 
596DTA_int_03832.8338Mm-hm.833.1973
597DTA_se3_ag4_f_03833.4052Mm-hm.833.9601
599 834.4238[I'd have ham.]835.8151 
600DTA_int_03834.4238[What do you cook?]835.1959
601DTA_se3_ag4_f_03836.3704Turkey,836.9562
603 838.2148and uh, have it all out on the buffet ster- buffet style as they come in,843.3355 
605 843.4731fix 'em a plate.844.2637 
606DTA_int_03843.7515[Mm-hm.]844.0687
607DTA_se3_ag4_f_03844.5749[<laugh>]845.3198
608DTA_int_03844.5749[Mm-hm.]844.9352
609 845.3198Mm-hm.845.6249
611 846.5646Oh, that's great.847.5837 
613 848.4868When do you open your presents?849.7500 
614DTA_se3_ag4_f_03852.1829Early Christmas morning.853.4094
615DTA_int_03853.7328And what do you say to each other?854.8954
616DTA_se3_ag4_f_03856.4759Uh.857.0373
618 857.2631Merry Christmas.858.4001 
620 858.5832[Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas.]860.3711 
621DTA_int_03858.5832[What would you say when you were a little girl?]860.3131
622DTA_se3_ag4_f_03861.5538We said, uh, what did we say now? That was something.864.8184
624 865.3391We said, uh,866.2585 
626 867.6439Christmas gift!868.4278 
627DTA_int_03868.5560[Mm-hm. <laugh>]869.2638
628DTA_se3_ag4_f_03868.9536[<laugh>]869.5750
629 869.9107Christmas gift! And I never could so understand what that meant.873.0404
630DTA_int_03873.2112<laugh>873.5773
631DTA_se3_ag4_f_03873.6323Well did- do you want a gift or you give one?876.0743
633 876.7150[<laugh>]877.3008 
634DTA_int_03877.1300[Christmas gift!]877.7612
635DTA_se3_ag4_f_03877.6669[But] just give Christmas gift.879.1587
636DTA_int_03879.3112Uh-huh.879.6564
638 879.8517Uh-huh.880.1690 
640 881.0477Uh. Di-881.5786 
642 882.3353Where were you born?883.2217 
644 883.7587And.884.1037 
645DTA_se3_ag4_f_03884.3551I was born in South Carolina.886.0836
646DTA_int_03886.3704And886.6938
648 887.1332where have you li- Where else have you lived besides Detroit?889.6912 
649DTA_se3_ag4_f_03892.0710Well, I lived, I haven't lived uh, very long outside of South Carolina. Lived in North Carolina for a short time899.1515
651 900.7991And uh, we came to Detroit902.6373 
653 902.8936in903.2597 
655 906.3291Nineteen nineteen.907.7470 
656DTA_int_03908.2948Mm-hm.908.7830
657DTA_se3_ag4_f_03908.9600Mm-hm.909.4176
658DTA_int_03910.0218Yeah, that's a long time to be in [this place.]912.0621
659DTA_se3_ag4_f_03911.4497[Yes.]912.2116
660DTA_int_03912.8798Uh. What are some of the streets of Detroit?914.7327
661DTA_se3_ag4_f_03918.1039Woodward.918.9094
663 920.2707Hamilton.920.9602 
664DTA_int_03921.4423Mm-hm.921.8512
665DTA_se3_ag4_f_03922.5041Twelfth Street. [<laugh>]924.5754
666DTA_int_03923.5625[Mm-hm.]923.9591
667DTA_se3_ag4_f_03925.8142Uh. Trumbull.927.2103
668DTA_int_03927.4908Mm-hm.927.8020
669DTA_se3_ag4_f_03927.8569Trumbull doesn't run all the way out.929.5228
670DTA_int_03930.4065What are the two big ones that go off from the bottom of Woodward?933.6254
671DTA_se3_ag4_f_03933.8180Um.934.5197
673 936.5199Jefferson and Grand River.938.2224 
674DTA_int_03938.3961Mm-hm.938.8659
676 939.1161Mm-hm.939.5250 
678 940.0009And what about the one that goes off to the east?942.0024 
679DTA_se3_ag4_f_03942.7165Gratiot.943.2840
680DTA_int_03943.3938Mm-hm.943.9186
682 944.6264Um.945.0109 
684 946.9157Have you gone anywhere on trips besides949.2028 
686 949.5445South Carolina?950.3582 
687DTA_se3_ag4_f_03950.4131Yes. I have been to- I've been to New York.954.6973
688DTA_int_03954.6973Mm-hm.955.1855
689DTA_se3_ag4_f_03956.6602And uh,957.4047
691 960.2895well, I've been to Atlantic City.962.0835 
692DTA_int_03962.3886[Mm-hm.]962.7296
693DTA_se3_ag4_f_03962.4141[I've been] to San Fransisco.964.0509
694DTA_int_03964.4443Mm-hm.964.8288
695DTA_se3_ag4_f_03965.7685<ts>965.8783
697 966.0370And I've been back South several times and I went places there that I'd never seen before when I went back. [<laugh>]972.3400 
698DTA_int_03971.9157[Yeah.]972.1720
699 972.6479Yeah.973.0019
701 973.7890Uh.974.1620 
703 974.5959What did you do when you were a kid on the last day of October?977.5425 
705 978.6442That's Halloween.979.2605 
706DTA_se3_ag4_f_03981.2463Uh. We used to hang out983.4820
708 986.1316lanterns.987.0852 
709DTA_int_03987.1340Mm-hm.987.5733
710DTA_se3_ag4_f_03988.3384We had the real lanterns.990.0683
711DTA_int_03990.2294Mm-hm.990.5406
712DTA_se3_ag4_f_03990.5406Mm-hm.991.1630
713DTA_int_03991.8673Did you ever take a pumpkin and993.4539
714DTA_se3_ag4_f_03993.8810Yes. Uh-huh.995.2442
715DTA_int_03995.3113What [were they?]995.7812
716DTA_se3_ag4_f_03995.5005[Well w-] I- I don't know. I don't think I ever remember. I have tried to fix a pumpkin, but I couldn't.1000.6332
717DTA_int_031000.8773Mm-hm.1001.3045
718DTA_se3_ag4_f_031001.3750I never was able to get it cut right. [I'd always] cut too far this way or1006.6351
719DTA_int_031004.2095[Mm-hm.]1004.6976
720DTA_se3_ag4_f_031006.7419too far that way, or something.1008.5162
721DTA_int_031009.0731[Huh.]1009.3648
722DTA_se3_ag4_f_031009.0806[I never] did get it fixed right in-1010.7221
723 1011.0516nobody s- I ha- I seem to be the only one in my family's that was particular about a pumpkin1016.0881
724DTA_int_031016.5275Mm-hm.1016.9424
725DTA_se3_ag4_f_031017.5349making now.1018.2244
726DTA_int_031019.0177Did you go out1019.7622
728 1020.0002[from house to house?]1020.8165 
729DTA_se3_ag4_f_031020.6944[No.]1021.1277
730DTA_int_031021.6219And when did they start that? Do you remember?1023.5074
731DTA_se3_ag4_f_031024.9303I don't real- well, I didn't know of it until I came to Detroit.1028.4635
732DTA_int_031028.5295Oh yeah?1028.8784
733DTA_se3_ag4_f_031029.1774No.1029.5131
734DTA_int_031030.2302Hm.1030.6146
736 1031.2981Um.1031.6642 
738 1032.3354Let's see.1032.8252 
740 1034.9896Have you ever been in an automobile accident?1036.9301 
741DTA_se3_ag4_f_031037.3511Mm-mm.1037.7370
742DTA_int_031038.3045[You ever-]1038.7954
743DTA_se3_ag4_f_031038.4448[Yes.] A slight one.1039.5521
744DTA_int_031039.6924Mm-hm.1039.9487
746 1040.2965Have you ever been in a situation where you thought this is it, I'm not gonna get through this one alive?1044.6681 
747DTA_se3_ag4_f_031046.0593Never have.1046.8846
748DTA_int_031048.5895Uh. Some people say, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.1051.9517
750 1052.1749Do you feel that way?1052.9011 
751DTA_se3_ag4_f_031054.7622I don't feel that way exactly.1056.7550
752DTA_int_031057.6093Mm-hm.1057.9389
753DTA_se3_ag4_f_031057.9581Uh-uh. I don't feel. I think we makes- I think we cause things to happen.1061.8066
754DTA_int_031061.9835Yeah.1062.2215
755DTA_se3_ag4_f_031062.6365I don't believe that-, uh,1064.3695
757 1064.9098I believe that people die even1067.3817 
759 1067.4976uh,1068.0590 
761 1070.1167when it isn't their time.1071.7443 
762DTA_int_031072.2691Mm-hm.1072.6352
763DTA_se3_ag4_f_031072.6917I believe that people have premature deaths1074.9909
764DTA_int_031075.1861Mm-hm.1075.4546
765DTA_se3_ag4_f_031075.5869from1076.1259
767 1076.3333other people's carelessness.1077.8520 
768DTA_int_031078.0290[Mm-hm.]1078.4562
769DTA_se3_ag4_f_031078.2914[Now,] I know God knows everything that's going to happen.1081.7574
770DTA_int_031082.0869[Mm-hm.]1082.3619
771DTA_se3_ag4_f_031082.2582[But] he doesn't-1082.9721
772 1083.3322he doesn't do it.1084.1403
773DTA_int_031084.4611Mm-hm.1084.7601
775 1085.2787Yeah.1085.6022 
777 1086.2307Cause [he.]1086.7616 
778DTA_se3_ag4_f_031086.6421[We] do it.1087.2431
779DTA_int_031087.2910Fend for yourself.1088.5663
780DTA_se3_ag4_f_031088.7424If I take a- if I reach down here and get a gun and blow your brains out, God doesn't have anything to do with that.1094.5400
781DTA_int_031094.7780Yeah.1095.0953
782DTA_se3_ag4_f_031095.2971He does not will it.1096.3085
783DTA_int_031096.6685Uh-huh.1096.8882
784DTA_se3_ag4_f_031097.6186And I think we do things to ourselves even that, uh.1101.3830
786 1102.0914Oh, I think all the mistakes I've made, I've made um, um, on my own.1106.1060 
787DTA_int_031106.1975Mm-hm.1106.5698
788DTA_se3_ag4_f_031106.6125<laugh>1107.0946
789DTA_int_031107.7048Right. <laugh>1108.5408
790DTA_se3_ag4_f_031108.5408<laugh>1109.3585
791DTA_int_031109.6514Can you tell me about games you played when you were a child?1112.3134
792DTA_se3_ag4_f_031114.0891Oh, yes, I played baseball, I /payed/1117.5881
794 1118.3997I played, um,1119.5713 
796 1121.0846tag,1121.8856 
798 1122.2379hide and go seek.1123.6168 
800 1125.0172And, I played, croquet.1127.6716 
801DTA_int_031127.6716Mm-hm.1128.0011
803 1132.0645Uh.1132.3757 
805 1132.9676Did y- how did you play Hide and Go Seek?1134.8043 
806DTA_se3_ag4_f_031136.8923Uh- the- we c- we called it1138.4030
808 1140.0933I Spy.1141.1237 
809DTA_int_031141.1237Mm-hm.1141.5456
810DTA_se3_ag4_f_031142.2247And uh. If you see somebody, you can touch a certain base1146.1795
811DTA_int_031146.2833Mm-hm.1146.6311
812DTA_se3_ag4_f_031146.6232before they do, or they are out.1148.4751
813DTA_int_031148.6904Mm-hm.1149.0853
815 1149.1860And what do [say /after/?]1149.9168 
816DTA_se3_ag4_f_031149.4835[And if they] beat you to the.1150.7839
817DTA_int_031151.5741If they beat you to the [base,]1152.6977
818DTA_se3_ag4_f_031152.4414[Mm-hm.]1153.2041
819DTA_int_031153.3079what do they say?1153.9812
820DTA_se3_ag4_f_031154.4429They say, safe.1155.6050
821DTA_int_031155.7881[Safe.]1156.2945
822DTA_se3_ag4_f_031155.9162[<laugh>]1156.8742
823DTA_int_031156.9597And if you beat him,1157.8628
825 1157.9848you say1158.5086 
827 1158.6428what?1158.8540 
828DTA_se3_ag4_f_031158.9784You're out.1159.5413
829DTA_int_031159.7473Uh-huh.1160.0524
830DTA_se3_ag4_f_031160.1989<laugh>1160.5162
831DTA_int_031161.0593When you [first] find 'em, you say?1162.6397
832DTA_se3_ag4_f_031161.3461[Oh.]1161.6756
833 1163.9308I spy.1164.7521
835 1164.8888I spy, I spy /RD-NAME-1/1166.8070 
837 1167.0206[<laugh>]1167.4050 
838DTA_int_031167.0206[Uh-huh.]1167.4050
839 1167.7040Uh-huh.1168.0457
841 1168.2593Uh-huh.1168.5949 
843 1169.2889Uh. Did you ever play1170.1767 
845 1170.2988marbles?1170.8803 
846DTA_se3_ag4_f_031171.3624Yes.1171.9726
847DTA_int_031171.9302Do they have any special names for the different kinds of marbles?1174.3288
848DTA_se3_ag4_f_031174.7377Yes. Uh. That's been so long that I can't remember those- I know there was one big marble we [used to]1180.9420
849DTA_int_031180.7406[Uh-huh.]1181.0396
850DTA_se3_ag4_f_031181.0884play, [if you knock that out,]1182.6580
851DTA_int_031181.6864[What was it called?]1182.4126
852DTA_se3_ag4_f_031183.1631you had the game.1184.1270
853DTA_int_031184.3528[Mm-hm.]1184.6518
854DTA_se3_ag4_f_031184.3728[If you] knock out the others, maybe1186.1695
855 1186.2732two at a time or one at a time, whoever knocked out the most.1189.2211
857 1189.6467I've forgotten, what is that marble called? I can't remember.1192.9434 
858DTA_int_031193.0533Mm-hm.1193.4378
860 1194.4690Do you-1194.8840 
861DTA_se3_ag4_f_031195.0976[It's been] a long time.1196.4705
862DTA_int_031195.0976[do you-]1195.3844
863DTA_se3_ag4_f_031196.9038<laugh>1197.2577
864DTA_int_031197.8455Uh.1198.3398
866 1198.5777Did you ever jump rope?1199.5968 
867DTA_se3_ag4_f_031199.8287Yes.1200.5426
868DTA_int_031200.9210What were the th-1201.4763
870 1201.8078Did you say things when you jumped rope?1203.7327 
872 1205.3742Do you remember any of them, if you did?1207.2232 
873DTA_se3_ag4_f_031209.4633Yes. We used to have a little1211.3845
875 1211.5431poem we said while we were jumping rope.1213.7589 
876DTA_int_031214.6862How'd it go?1215.1826
877DTA_se3_ag4_f_031221.2445One was, uh,1222.5901
879 1225.6315let's see,1226.1776 
881 1227.1740skip skip to the barber shop1229.1138 
883 1229.9839to get a piece of candy1231.4613 
885 1231.7301one for me and one for you and one for sister Mandy. [<laugh>]1236.5874 
886DTA_int_031235.3487[Uh-huh.]1235.6477
888 1236.1603[Hm.]1236.3738 
889DTA_se3_ag4_f_031237.5482<laugh>1237.9570
891 1238.7944<laugh>1239.3244 
893 1242.7602That was one, but there was one before that time, and I don't remember it.1246.3701 
894DTA_int_031246.3701Mm-hm.1246.6447
896 1246.8766Mm-hm.1247.2488 
898 1248.1157Uh,1248.4510 
900 1250.2210is there any way you're supposed to be able to get a wish?1252.6130 
901DTA_se3_ag4_f_031256.0114No. <laugh>1256.8047
903 1257.5369Go get it. <laugh>1258.7085 
904DTA_int_031258.8855Yeah.1259.1052
906 1259.3310Yeah. You n- you never [wished on]1261.3203 
907DTA_se3_ag4_f_031260.9905[<laugh>]1261.4421
908 1261.9610Oh, I have wished, but uh, just for fun, you know.1265.1734
909DTA_int_031265.1734Yeah.1265.5689
911 1265.6513For- I mean for fun.1266.7051 
913 1267.0461[What are the w-] What are they ways you're supposed to be [able to make a wish?]1269.5602 
914DTA_se3_ag4_f_031267.0649[Yes. Oh.]1267.8455
916 1268.8425[Oh.]1269.4283 
917 1269.6266Oh.1270.0056
919 1270.3351Pull a chicken bone.1271.4901 
920DTA_int_031271.5461Uh-huh.1271.9976
921DTA_se3_ag4_f_031272.4131Get a wish.1273.2613
922DTA_int_031273.4439What do you call the bone?1274.4324
923DTA_se3_ag4_f_031274.8247Wishbone.1275.6565
924DTA_int_031275.6622Mm-hm.1276.0345
925DTA_se3_ag4_f_031276.6378It's really a breast bone.1278.3450
926DTA_int_031278.3450Mm-hm.1278.6571
927DTA_se3_ag4_f_031279.9073And uh.1280.7216
928DTA_int_031281.6429[Do you ever call it a pulley bone?]1282.6803
929DTA_se3_ag4_f_031281.6464[Let me see tha-]1282.6803
930 1283.0749A what?1283.4980
931DTA_int_031283.6057A pulley bone.1284.3157
932DTA_se3_ag4_f_031284.8475Maybe so. I think I have heard it called a pulley bone.1287.7581
933DTA_int_031288.3752/?/1288.6465
934DTA_se3_ag4_f_031290.6729Um.1291.1808
936 1293.4908If two people1294.3085 
938 1294.7167say the same thing at the same time,1297.1521 
940 1297.3047[make a wish.]1298.0947 
941DTA_int_031297.3047[What do they do?]1298.2697
942 1298.5381They [stop and make a wish?]1299.7374
943DTA_se3_ag4_f_031298.7029[<laugh>]1299.1789
945 1299.4779[Uh-huh.] Stop and make a wish.1301.0182 
946DTA_int_031301.6869Do they do anything with their fingers, or?1303.3246
947DTA_se3_ag4_f_031304.2461Maybe. Maybe cross your fingers or [something. I don't know.]1307.3474
948DTA_int_031306.1469[Mm-hm.]1306.4703
950 1306.8242[Mm-hm.]1307.1406 
951 1308.2948Well.1308.5694
953 1308.8135Good enough.1309.2634 
955 1309.5472I guess that pretty well does it.1310.8439 
957 1310.9445Do you have anything you'd like to ask me?1312.5900 
958DTA_se3_ag4_f_031314.4268Well,1315.2017
960 1315.7464um,1316.2879 
962 1319.1380I think this has been1320.5379 
964 1322.1226I think I understand what it's all about, it's just uh1325.2360 
966 1326.6633I- I sti- I don't understand either what it's all about, but.1330.4281 
967DTA_int_031330.8919You know we don't.1331.7584
969 1332.0574[<laugh>]1334.3315 
970DTA_se3_ag4_f_031332.3910[<laugh>]1333.8372
971 1336.0706Mm-hm.1337.1202