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1 | LES_int_01 | 0.7500 | So, okay. So, it is, what is the date? October sixteenth. | 4.0427 |
2 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 4.4099 | Two thousand and [eight.] | 5.5075 |
3 | LES_int_01 | 5.3538 | [Two] thousand and eight. | 6.1177 |
4 | | 6.2626 | And we are talking to. Now, tell me your whole name, [/RD-NAME-3/] | 8.8836 |
5 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 8.7431 | [My] whole name? [<laugh>] | 10.3061 |
6 | LES_int_01 | 9.6519 | [Yeah.] | 9.8758 |
7 | | 10.3061 | Cause you got a long one. | 11.1589 |
8 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 11.1589 | Yes I [do.] | 11.9025 |
9 | LES_int_01 | 11.5820 | [<laugh>] | 12.3635 |
10 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 12.3722 | it's /RD-NAME-9/ | 14.4664 |
12 | | 14.6245 | [/RD-NAME-1/.] | 15.0827 |
13 | LES_int_01 | 14.6245 | [Okay.] | 15.0827 |
14 | | 15.6561 | [/RD-NAME-1/] | 16.4775 |
15 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 16.0293 | [<laugh>] | 16.9996 |
16 | LES_int_01 | 17.4035 | Awesome. | 17.9363 |
17 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 18.0373 | Yeah. | 18.3095 |
18 | LES_int_01 | 18.9329 | So, um, I normally ask people to kind of start at the beginning. | 21.6582 |
20 | | 21.7504 | So, can you tell me, for instance, when and where you were born? | 24.6383 |
21 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 25.2222 | Well, | 25.9247 |
23 | | 26.1574 | I was born in Bellevue Hospital. | 27.7554 |
24 | LES_int_01 | 27.8696 | Okay. | 28.3203 |
25 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 28.4607 | February eighteenth, nineteen seventy-nine. | 30.9808 |
26 | LES_int_01 | 30.9808 | Okay. | 31.3100 |
27 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 31.5252 | I believe it was a Thursday. | 32.8554 |
29 | | 33.0266 | I'm just lying, I don't know. | 34.4432 |
31 | | 34.7593 | [I know though.] | 35.6373 |
32 | LES_int_01 | 34.9393 | [It was a- it was a beautiful day, sunny day.] | 37.2266 |
33 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 35.9842 | [<laugh> I- No, actually,] it was a snow storm. | 38.4515 |
34 | LES_int_01 | 38.5933 | [Okay.]0 | 38.9720 |
35 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 38.6855 | [A very] bad blizzard, [and that it snowed] three feet, and [it was-] | 41.4447 |
36 | LES_int_01 | 39.7585 | [Oh.] | 40.2985 |
38 | | 41.1151 | [Oh] wow. | 41.9289 |
39 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 41.9289 | it was hard because my mom couldn't get a ambulance | 44.7396 |
40 | | 45.1918 | to get her, so she had to get in the cab. | 47.0648 |
41 | LES_int_01 | 47.3721 | Oh [man.] | 48.2414 |
42 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 48.0043 | [She thought] I was gonna be a cab baby. | 49.6232 |
43 | | 49.7835 | Like, thank God I wasn't. | 50.7207 |
44 | LES_int_01 | 50.7854 | Like you were gonna be born in the cab. | 52.2144 |
46 | | 52.8861 | They made it to the hospital | 54.0479 |
47 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 54.1241 | Yeah, we made it to the hospital, so <sigh> and then there was me. | 56.6529 |
48 | LES_int_01 | 56.8022 | Okay. | 57.2369 |
49 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 57.5310 | And um. | 58.2422 |
51 | | 58.4749 | I was born and raised in Baruch Projects, /RD-ADDRESS-8/ | 62.8816 |
53 | | 63.4031 | Then we moved to [/RD-ADDRESS-8/.] | 66.1177 |
54 | LES_int_01 | 66.0567 | [Yeah.] | 66.2214 |
55 | | 66.7666 | [I might need to /check/] with this just a little bit if that's okay. | 68.9193 |
56 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 66.8105 | [and um.] | 67.2451 |
58 | | 67.4998 | Mm-hm. | 67.9300 |
59 | | 69.2699 | No problem. | 69.9474 |
60 | LES_int_01 | 69.9474 | That's better. | 70.5106 |
61 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 71.0851 | And um. | 71.4802 |
62 | LES_int_01 | 71.9983 | So, tell me a little bit about your family. You already mentioned, [but your-] | 75.4578 |
63 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 74.5578 | [A little bit] about my family. Well, my grandmother moved down [here] | 77.7612 |
64 | LES_int_01 | 77.5768 | [She's from North [Carolina?] | 78.7710 |
65 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 78.6524 | [She's] from North Carolina originally. She moved up to | 81.0934 |
66 | | 81.2208 | Harlem | 81.7564 |
68 | | 82.1866 | when she was seventeen. | 83.2913 |
70 | | 84.0596 | She got married, had her kids and she decided she wanted to leave Harlem. | 87.3238 |
71 | LES_int_01 | 87.3150 | Mm-hm. | 87.6311 |
72 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 87.7847 | And she moved down here to Lower East Side. When she first got down here, it was two buildings. | 91.5955 |
74 | | 91.7448 | And there was marshland. | 92.8401 |
75 | LES_int_01 | 92.9667 | This is Baruch, was two buildings? | 94.7009 |
76 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 93.8667 | [This is Baru-] Baruch was two buildings. | 96.4614 |
77 | LES_int_01 | 96.6853 | [That's amazing.] | 97.3642 |
78 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 96.7847 | [And she told me] that the um | 97.9657 |
79 | | 98.9530 | the demographics of the area were actually | 100.8628 |
81 | | 101.2213 | Jewish, Chinese, and Italian. | 103.2144 |
82 | LES_int_01 | 103.8730 | [Okay.] | 104.1276 |
83 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 104.0047 | [Very] little Latinos and very few blacks. | 106.3579 |
84 | LES_int_01 | 106.6081 | Mm-hm. | 106.8715 |
85 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 107.3062 | So. | 107.6530 |
87 | | 108.2676 | And she said a funny joke. I don't know if this is racist or not, but I wanna share it. | 111.5246 |
88 | LES_int_01 | 111.5861 | [<laugh>] | 112.4993 |
89 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 112.2315 | [She said] before the Chinese moved in, there was a lot cats. | 114.6637 |
90 | LES_int_01 | 114.9447 | [<laugh>] | 115.9188 |
91 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 115.1818 | [And after they] came in, there were no more cats. (laughing) | 118.2368 |
92 | | 118.8163 | So, then all of a sudden, there were a bunch of Chinese restaurants. So, you know, she always tells me | 122.2744 |
94 | | 122.4017 | don't eat at no [Chinese food restaurants.] | 124.0480 |
95 | LES_int_01 | 123.1000 | [Oh no.] | 124.2462 |
96 | | 124.3525 | [<laugh>] | 125.0103 |
97 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 124.5661 | That's just my little funny joke to share with- from my grandma. | 127.0791 |
98 | LES_int_01 | 126.1898 | [That's a good- That's] a good one. [<laugh>] | 128.0387 |
99 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 127.9174 | [But] my grandma had um | 129.2464 |
100 | | 129.3862 | seven children. | 130.2782 |
101 | LES_int_01 | 130.2782 | Oh, wow. | 130.9031 |
102 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 130.9917 | So. It w- it was a crew of them. And back in those days, when they were growing up, they moved here | 134.8405 |
104 | | 134.9664 | for real. I'm like | 135.6938 |
106 | | 135.8757 | as teenagers. | 136.9004 |
107 | LES_int_01 | 137.1428 | Right. | 137.3433 |
108 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 137.3060 | Preteens, teenagers. | 138.3645 |
109 | | 138.7982 | And at that time, | 139.6235 |
111 | | 140.2996 | Grand Street was still around, but they had a lot of | 142.1974 |
113 | | 142.3746 | like | 142.6171 |
115 | | 143.1708 | community events happening. Um. There's | 144.7562 |
117 | | 145.0220 | actually, in Baruch, it's something called The White House has been shut down forever, since I've ever known. | 149.5784 |
118 | LES_int_01 | 149.7370 | Oh. I've seen it. It's a beautiful | 151.3410 |
119 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 152.0566 | [It used to] be a pool. It used to be after school prog- it used to be a center. Community center. | 155.6470 |
120 | LES_int_01 | 152.0566 | [building.] | 152.4623 |
121 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 156.2299 | Pool, | 157.0133 |
123 | | 157.1671 | recreation, | 157.9027 |
125 | | 158.3410 | um, | 159.0871 |
127 | | 159.4555 | dance studios, [all of that.] | 161.1061 |
128 | LES_int_01 | 160.5885 | [That's a shame.] | 161.2880 |
129 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 161.9548 | And they closed it down. So, whatever. | 163.6288 |
131 | | 164.1918 | I used to be scared | 164.9099 |
133 | | 165.1664 | to death of that building. | 166.2621 |
135 | | 166.3778 | Cause a lot of winos and drug addicts used to hang out over there and it got really dark at night, | 170.3096 |
136 | LES_int_01 | 166.3871 | [You did?] | 166.6991 |
137 | | 170.4775 | [Okay.] | 170.9411 |
138 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 170.4961 | [so.] | 170.9411 |
139 | | 171.2115 | We used to run past | 172.0415 |
141 | | 172.1441 | the White House. | 172.7596 |
142 | LES_int_01 | 172.7596 | Okay. | 173.1280 |
143 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 173.4532 | [But, um.] | 173.8527 |
144 | LES_int_01 | 173.5147 | [So, yeah.] Ta- talk about your childhood a little bit. Like, tell me what you remember about growing up in Barauch. | 177.8352 |
145 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 177.9582 | I never thought I lived in the projects. | 179.6001 |
146 | LES_int_01 | 179.7933 | Okay. | 180.1313 |
147 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 180.1972 | That might sound crazy. | 181.3152 |
148 | LES_int_01 | 181.6357 | [Yeah.] | 181.9071 |
149 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 181.8552 | [But,] I didn't think of it as that. | 183.2557 |
150 | LES_int_01 | 183.4840 | Yeah. | 183.7255 |
151 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 183.8616 | It was, um. | 184.4543 |
153 | | 184.9463 | Was a- it was a | 186.0132 |
155 | | 186.7843 | fantasy land. I don't wanna say it like that. Maybe that sounds corny too. | 189.5528 |
156 | LES_int_01 | 189.5528 | [No, that's great.] | 190.4045 |
157 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 189.8162 | [But I used to climb] the trees. | 191.3107 |
158 | | 191.3941 | My brother and I and my friends used to climb the trees, you know. | 193.9773 |
160 | | 194.3197 | Play freeze tag, manhunt, all those type of games, we had | 197.1316 |
162 | | 197.4873 | park, was a wonderful place. Like, that was the place to be. Like I | 201.3041 |
164 | | 201.6158 | my mom used to send me to the store | 203.1991 |
166 | | 203.4318 | for breakfast | 204.2879 |
168 | | 204.6344 | and I would never come back. | 205.8198 |
170 | | 206.5954 | I would stay out until like five o'clock with the milk, and the eggs, and the [Clorox, and everything like that.] She's like | 211.7671 |
171 | LES_int_01 | 210.1032 | [<laugh>] | 211.3984 |
172 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 211.8857 | where were you? I was like, oh. Uh. | 213.6359 |
174 | | 214.0705 | I g- I go- I forgot [something.] | 215.6203 |
175 | LES_int_01 | 215.0232 | [<laugh>] | 216.0461 |
176 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 216.1383 | So. | 216.5159 |
177 | LES_int_01 | 216.5159 | And was that cool? Like were you able to go out and explore? | 219.5408 |
178 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 219.8964 | It was so safe. | 221.1345 |
179 | LES_int_01 | 221.3628 | [It was.] | 221.8501 |
180 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 221.4989 | [I mean] it was safe, but at the same time if you- | 223.7759 |
181 | | 224.3774 | if you | 224.7593 |
183 | | 224.9832 | if you- if you had negative behaviors, obviously, then | 228.1618 |
185 | | 228.2803 | you know. | 228.5817 |
187 | | 229.0603 | But, | 229.3676 |
189 | | 230.1271 | My family, we weren't big | 231.6769 |
191 | | 231.8744 | street people, like | 232.8930 |
193 | | 233.1652 | there were some family members who hung- who hung out in the streets, who got involved in | 236.5837 |
195 | | 236.9086 | some drugs, and gang stuff like that. As [a whole though,] my family's a really holistic type family. | 241.0645 |
196 | LES_int_01 | 238.5347 | [Yeah.] | 238.7655 |
197 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 241.4016 | Really spiritual. | 242.2489 |
199 | | 242.6045 | You know, I come from, um. My grandmother's Jehovah's Witness, my mama's | 245.3820 |
201 | | 245.7508 | b- I was raised a Muslim. | 246.9582 |
203 | | 247.3050 | And at that time there were no Muslims out here. Very few Muslims. So, that was a struggle for me and my si- siblings. | 251.8167 |
204 | LES_int_01 | 251.8167 | Right. | 252.2689 |
205 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 252.2689 | You know, cause young, we | 253.2260 |
206 | | 253.5684 | were- I had scarves, and they would get pulled off, and everything like that, so it was | 256.8885 |
207 | LES_int_01 | 257.2266 | [Wow.] | 257.5866 |
208 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 257.2793 | [a bit] of culture shock, because like, inside the home, it was a total different atmosphere than once you stepped outside the doors. | 263.3232 |
209 | LES_int_01 | 263.3232 | Yeah. Now how did your- your mom ci- come to Islam? | 265.8900 |
210 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 266.3202 | <ts> In the sixti- | 267.6684 |
212 | | 267.7957 | late seven- early s- late sixties, early seventies, [she became] Muslim, [as well] as my uncle. She moved to um, Atlanta, then she moved to DC where she met my dad. | 275.7069 |
213 | LES_int_01 | 270.1769 | [Okay.] | 270.4271 |
215 | | 271.2060 | [Okay.] | 271.4581 |
216 | | 275.8255 | Wow. | 276.3102 |
217 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 276.3655 | And, | 276.8177 |
219 | | 277.2874 | that's how all of that went [down.] | 278.6001 |
220 | LES_int_01 | 278.3718 | [Wow.] | 278.7494 |
221 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 279.0878 | So, my family were actually, uh Black Panthers a lot, | 282.3927 |
222 | LES_int_01 | 282.3927 | Right. | 282.5991 |
223 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 282.5991 | very | 282.9892 |
224 | | 283.1209 | political | 283.7757 |
225 | LES_int_01 | 283.7757 | Yeah. | 284.0435 |
226 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 284.1488 | activists, and um | 285.2283 |
227 | LES_int_01 | 285.4302 | Right. | 285.7200 |
228 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 285.9132 | I mean, I'm talking about, they were | 287.0415 |
230 | | 287.2478 | they were making incense in the | 288.2996 |
232 | | 288.4709 | bathtub. | 288.9582 |
234 | | 289.1821 | Like, | 289.4762 |
236 | | 290.2182 | [That's] how serious it was. [My uncle] was still a merchant, and he was actually | 293.2855 |
237 | LES_int_01 | 290.2182 | [Right.] | 290.5372 |
239 | | 291.1869 | [Right.] | 291.5162 |
240 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 293.6148 | he had one of the first | 294.5631 |
242 | | 294.9582 | stores | 295.7616 |
244 | | 296.3280 | on Avenue A. | 297.5162 |
246 | | 298.8333 | Right across the street from Tompkins Square Park, he had a bookstore. | 301.3270 |
248 | | 302.2445 | [New World.] | 302.6821 |
249 | LES_int_01 | 302.5020 | [That's real cool.] | 303.1474 |
250 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 302.9586 | [W- New] World Trading. | 304.1133 |
251 | | 304.6313 | So, [you know.] | 305.6235 |
252 | LES_int_01 | 305.0572 | [Cool.] | 305.4567 |
253 | | 306.2909 | And are m- are you still a practicing muslim? | 308.1304 |
254 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 308.1963 | Yes, I am. [I just,] you know. | 309.2923 |
255 | LES_int_01 | 308.7084 | [Okay.] | 309.0201 |
256 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 310.4206 | Got a l- got a little older, [wanted to be a little more, yeah. Wanted] to be a little more- | 314.7187 |
257 | LES_int_01 | 312.1548 | [No more scarves, right? <laugh>] | 313.8504 |
258 | | 314.8504 | Yeah. | 315.1738 |
259 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 315.2440 | Do what I g- wanna do kind of thing. [But, my sib-] my sister, you know, everybody else still covers their /?/. | 319.4915 |
260 | LES_int_01 | 316.5678 | [Yeah.] | 316.8523 |
261 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 319.9438 | I just [don't.] | 320.4427 |
262 | LES_int_01 | 320.2981 | [Wow.] | 320.8624 |
263 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 321.1188 | But, [um.] | 321.6364 |
264 | LES_int_01 | 321.4033 | [So,] that, yeah, that's unique in this neighborhood, [I think.] | 323.4864 |
265 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 323.1239 | [Yeah. Very] unique, [cause no-] | 324.3257 |
266 | LES_int_01 | 323.9201 | [Did you ever] feel? | 325.1511 |
267 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 325.9717 | Yes. I don't even know what you were gonna say, [but.] | 328.2053 |
268 | LES_int_01 | 327.9908 | [<laugh> L-] yeah. | 328.6389 |
269 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 328.7229 | Yes. I mean, it was definitely a struggle, because | 331.0578 |
271 | | 331.3516 | not only that, there weren't- | 332.3774 |
273 | | 332.6199 | when I was growing up, there was a large population of Latinos. | 335.9330 |
274 | LES_int_01 | 335.9889 | Mm-hm. | 336.3526 |
275 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 336.3526 | Very large, [and] so. | 337.7690 |
276 | LES_int_01 | 337.0742 | [Mm-hm.] | 337.4146 |
277 | | 338.9067 | Yeah. What was the make up in Baruch? It was Latino, [African Am-] | 341.7325 |
278 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 341.1356 | [It was Latino,] Africa- very few, like, | 343.0696 |
279 | | 343.5125 | like when my mom was growing up, there were more African American families than there were when I was growing up. | 347.4993 |
280 | LES_int_01 | 347.4993 | Mm-hm. | 347.7698 |
281 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 348.0216 | The ones who stayed, | 349.0742 |
283 | | 349.2468 | or the families that | 350.2679 |
285 | | 350.4684 | I knew. | 350.9254 |
287 | | 351.5835 | And um, | 352.0673 |
289 | | 352.1839 | a lot of Latinos, and it was a struggle b- growing up as an African American young lady in the- in this neighborhood, because, you know. | 357.7549 |
290 | LES_int_01 | 357.7595 | Yeah. | 357.9833 |
291 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 358.7294 | Being accepted and things like that, [and um.] | 360.5573 |
292 | LES_int_01 | 360.2835 | [Right.] | 360.6285 |
293 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 361.1634 | At the- when I was younger, I had very long hair, extremely long hair. | 364.0346 |
295 | | 364.1232 | You know, I just actually cut my hair like two weeks ago. | 366.0397 |
296 | LES_int_01 | 366.0863 | Mm. [Looks good.] | 366.9070 |
297 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 366.4593 | [And so, /RD-NAME-2/] hasn't even seen it, so she's like gonna probably scream. | 369.3539 |
298 | LES_int_01 | 369.3539 | [<laugh>] | 370.2165 |
299 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 370.0673 | [But,] I had very long hair, so the Latino girls were like | 372.4593 |
300 | | 373.1261 | you know, and the black girls were like, so I kind of really didn't fit in, and I was kind of always really political myself. I was a little | 378.2449 |
302 | | 378.4920 | pro-black | 379.1168 |
304 | | 379.6705 | I used to wear Malcolm X buttons, t-shirts, all of that, you [know.] | 382.5009 |
305 | LES_int_01 | 382.4030 | [Because] your family [had] | 383.6595 |
306 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 383.3131 | [Cause of my] family. [Cause influence from my family.] Exactly, so I was very- very, very, um. | 387.4471 |
307 | LES_int_01 | 384.3836 | [instilled that /in you/.] | 385.5699 |
308 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 387.8155 | Political in that way, very militant in that way, so. | 390.0863 |
310 | | 390.4967 | I knew a lot of people were | 391.3826 |
312 | | 391.6426 | couldn't grap- | 392.1415 |
314 | | 392.4259 | didn't relate to me on that aspect. [You know] what I mean? | 394.5569 |
315 | LES_int_01 | 393.9787 | [Right.] | 394.2724 |
316 | | 394.5755 | Yeah. | 394.8133 |
317 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 394.8133 | But, I also danced. | 395.6946 |
318 | | 396.0257 | The arts was a big thing for me, so in [elementary] school, | 398.3746 |
319 | LES_int_01 | 397.4580 | [Cool.] | 397.8077 |
320 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 398.7710 | I di- b- we were in Shakespearian plays, you know. Thank God Ms. /RD-NAME-2/ | 402.8231 |
322 | | 403.1541 | and Ms. /RD-NAME-3/ actually believed in us. (laughing) | 405.5452 |
323 | LES_int_01 | 405.5452 | [Yeah.<laugh>] | 406.3006 |
324 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 405.8950 | [Cause you know,] she- we went all over the country touring. | 408.2628 |
325 | | 408.7151 | [You know,] we did Midsummer Night's Dream at Henry Street Settlement. | 410.8834 |
326 | LES_int_01 | 408.7151 | [Wow.] | 409.1208 |
327 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 411.6528 | So, my [childhood, I wou-] I would- I'd like to say I had a good childhood, I mean. | 415.4239 |
328 | LES_int_01 | 412.2511 | [That's cool.] | 412.9316 |
329 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 416.0254 | My father passed away. That's the only thing I think | 418.4303 |
331 | | 418.5562 | really effected my childhood, [but other] than that, I had a very good nucleus. | 422.1233 |
332 | LES_int_01 | 420.1323 | [Yeah.] | 420.4820 |
333 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 422.4870 | My mom was the best. She actually worked here | 424.2574 |
335 | | 424.9071 | for fifteen [years.] | 425.8602 |
336 | LES_int_01 | 425.7204 | [Oh. That's neat.] | 426.7222 |
337 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 426.1354 | [But I think] that's why I go- came into this work. | 428.0052 |
338 | LES_int_01 | 428.1171 | Yeah. | 428.4901 |
339 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 428.5880 | But, um. | 429.1010 |
340 | LES_int_01 | 430.1641 | What did you play as a kid? | 431.3951 |
342 | | 431.8008 | <ts> Where did you play? First of all. Because in Baruch, you have [playgrounds.] | 434.7186 |
343 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 434.5414 | [Oh.] Yeah. [The park right across the-] yeah. Right next to my house, there was a park in front of my house, a park in the side of my house, and a | 439.3338 |
344 | LES_int_01 | 435.0285 | [So, you played there in the park?] | 436.1568 |
345 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 439.4830 | park in the back of my house, and then we had the FDR Drive, [hello.] | 442.3693 |
346 | LES_int_01 | 442.2489 | [You] guys were so lucky, because a lot of kids | 444.6772 |
347 | | 444.7938 | lived on a block with tenements, and so they just played in the street. | 447.8386 |
348 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 447.9925 | Exactly. | 448.6780 |
349 | LES_int_01 | 448.6780 | And you guys have parks everywhere. | 449.9151 |
350 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 449.9151 | And yeah, we had everywhere. And we were very fortunate in that way. | 452.8214 |
351 | LES_int_01 | 452.6766 | [Yeah.] | 453.1973 |
352 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 452.9751 | [I think.] | 453.5107 |
353 | | 453.8268 | But now, a lot of those parks are getting taken away from us, [unfortunately.] | 457.1442 |
354 | LES_int_01 | 456.5866 | [Yeah.] | 457.1442 |
355 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 457.4515 | Like, the big park where [we used to frequent,] | 459.2559 |
356 | LES_int_01 | 458.4964 | [The big park.] | 459.2340 |
357 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 459.6028 | Now, it's a football field, and it's reserved for Bard | 462.1388 |
359 | | 462.3803 | Early College. It's like, okay, that's all good | 464.2549 |
361 | | 464.3428 | but, | 464.5711 |
363 | | 464.6764 | you know. | 464.9618 |
364 | LES_int_01 | 465.1857 | I heard [that.] | 465.8135 |
365 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 465.6862 | [What] about the rest of the day when you guys aren't in session? [Like,] the kids can't. | 469.8379 |
366 | LES_int_01 | 469.0344 | [Yeah.] | 469.2496 |
367 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 470.1364 | But, people u- um, use it, like I said, I don't live here anymore, so I don't know how many. | 474.1740 |
369 | | 474.5208 | I don't know if people frequent | 475.5832 |
371 | | 475.7501 | these places, I don't really know as | 477.3657 |
373 | | 477.5106 | [much as I] did then. But, I know when I grew up. | 479.3676 |
374 | LES_int_01 | 477.5106 | [Yeah.] | 477.8380 |
375 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 479.6793 | I got scars to prove it. | 480.9695 |
376 | LES_int_01 | 481.2417 | [Yeah.] | 481.6676 |
377 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 481.4174 | [We used] to run through everywhere. | 483.4178 |
378 | | 483.9227 | It was. | 484.3573 |
379 | LES_int_01 | 484.4144 | Yeah. | 484.7073 |
380 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 484.7117 | And in the middle of Baruch, it's actually, um, | 486.5569 |
382 | | 486.8079 | a shelter | 487.3559 |
384 | | 487.5798 | called The Castle, they call it. | 488.7388 |
386 | | 489.3578 | And um. | 489.9242 |
388 | | 490.9032 | That was a big part of childhood too, because my mom was like, don't go over there to the shelter kids, th- The Castle kids, The Castle. Cause, then they were like, very ostracized, but. | 497.8252 |
390 | | 498.1046 | It turned out I m- I wound up marrying a Castle Kid. | 500.2822 |
391 | LES_int_01 | 501.6915 | Look at that. | 502.2359 |
392 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 502.3325 | Yeah. So, they weren't that bad. [<laugh>] They weren't so [bad.] | 505.5885 |
393 | LES_int_01 | 503.8412 | [They weren't so bad.] | 504.6271 |
395 | | 505.1802 | [<laugh>] | 506.1154 |
396 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 506.3393 | But, there was um. | 507.3666 |
398 | | 507.7134 | Just a whole racial tension with the Latinos, it was hard | 510.0469 |
400 | | 510.1573 | fitting in, because | 511.1363 |
402 | | 511.5798 | You know, [basically.] | 512.2910 |
403 | LES_int_01 | 511.7510 | [Was there tension?] | 512.4754 |
404 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 513.2612 | <ts> Oh yeah. Cause you he- cause it's a lot of things, like, as I grew up, | 516.4339 |
406 | | 516.5437 | I l- I learned Spanish. | 517.8651 |
408 | | 518.2164 | And you think they're saying something that's very derogatory when they say morena. | 521.5881 |
410 | | 522.2232 | But they wasn't it's just how they were saying, so. | 524.6247 |
411 | LES_int_01 | 524.8310 | [Mm.] | 525.7293 |
412 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 524.8617 | [Of course you're gonna get] defensive if you hear someone say, | 526.9388 |
413 | | 527.0294 | <ts> /unintelligible/ morena. | 528.4195 |
414 | LES_int_01 | 528.9112 | In a tone. | 529.5614 |
415 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 529.5614 | In the [tone, and] it's like, who you talking about? So. | 532.1804 |
416 | LES_int_01 | 530.2259 | [Right.] | 530.4586 |
417 | | 532.1804 | Yeah. | 532.4790 |
418 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 532.4790 | Certain words, you can look for like, | 534.0419 |
419 | | 534.4142 | negrita, all of that, you know, [so it was like] what? | 536.5614 |
420 | LES_int_01 | 535.8414 | [Yeah.] | 536.1955 |
421 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 536.7985 | Are you talking about me? | 537.6897 |
423 | | 538.1580 | Your mother's- | 538.7375 |
425 | | 538.8429 | your mother looks like me. Like, that was my thing, cause I knew my history because of my background, I was like | 542.8161 |
427 | | 543.2156 | do you even know what Puerto Rico | 544.6951 |
429 | | 544.8575 | k- what i- what Puerto Rico is made out [of?] | 546.6209 |
430 | LES_int_01 | 546.4804 | [Yeah.] | 546.9414 |
431 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 546.9414 | Who- who | 547.6526 |
432 | | 547.9161 | your ancestors were? | 548.9961 |
433 | LES_int_01 | 548.9961 | Yeah. | 549.3605 |
434 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 549.3605 | Do you? [You know.] | 550.2517 |
435 | LES_int_01 | 549.9312 | [Yeah.] | 550.2517 |
436 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 550.4097 | Even some Dominicans, I just say, you know | 551.9928 |
438 | | 552.4933 | slave ships stopped a- | 553.5015 |
439 | LES_int_01 | 553.5015 | Slaves. [Yeah.] | 554.4015 |
440 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 554.3445 | [they] stopped at- in Dominican Republic [before they came] to America, so. | 557.6152 |
441 | LES_int_01 | 555.9381 | [Before.] | 556.6977 |
442 | | 557.7382 | [Mm.] | 558.0718 |
443 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 557.7645 | [<ts>] I kind of think you're a little more African than me. | 560.0810 |
444 | | 560.3928 | [That always] was a big, I mean, | 562.0435 |
445 | LES_int_01 | 560.4279 | [Okay.] | 560.8318 |
446 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 562.6669 | always had | 563.1718 |
448 | | 563.6591 | very. | 563.9269 |
450 | | 564.0762 | Used to call me Sister Souljah. | 565.1606 |
452 | | 565.4943 | I used to school everybody about their- | 567.0689 |
454 | | 567.3103 | their culture, like, what? You don't know your people da, da, da, da, da. | 570.4837 |
456 | | 570.6074 | So, | 570.8796 |
458 | | 570.9894 | just me being that way | 572.1776 |
460 | | 572.3840 | in this environment growing up, | 573.7494 |
462 | | 574.0391 | was difficult, because, you know, kids my age didn't care about that kind of stuff. I mean. | 577.6743 |
464 | | 578.5596 | they're really, literally reading | 580.2981 |
466 | | 580.4299 | Malcolm X at eight years old. | 581.6065 |
467 | LES_int_01 | 583.5557 | [Who does that?] | 584.3181 |
468 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 583.7562 | [Who am I] gonna talk [to about that? Like, am I] gonna go talk to my friend Maria about Malcolm X? | 588.3133 |
469 | LES_int_01 | 584.8362 | [Yeah] | 585.3630 |
471 | | 585.5694 | [yeah.] | 585.9338 |
472 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 588.6513 | No. She would- we were playing, um, with the | 590.6737 |
474 | | 590.9986 | <laugh> little pony, My Little Pony, [you know.] | 592.8908 |
475 | LES_int_01 | 592.4738 | [Right.] | 592.7591 |
476 | | 593.0050 | [Right.] | 593.2772 |
477 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 593.2025 | [Cabbage] Patch Kids. | 594.0543 |
478 | | 594.2913 | Who's thinking about that? Be thinking about gym. We were thinking about | 596.7071 |
480 | | 596.8256 | Thunder Cats. | 597.4359 |
481 | LES_int_01 | 597.9583 | So you were really politically aware, at a- [even at a-] at a [young age.] | 602.1671 |
482 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 600.0685 | [Yeah.] | 600.5075 |
484 | | 600.9773 | [Yeah.] | 601.3856 |
486 | | 601.7544 | [Yeah.] Y- and I thank my mom for that because it opened my eyes about a thing- | 605.1525 |
487 | | 605.2765 | to a lot of things that I criti- I learned to be a critical thinker. | 608.0749 |
488 | LES_int_01 | 608.2154 | Yeah. | 608.5710 |
489 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 608.6895 | You know, and I wish other people had that. | 610.4456 |
491 | | 610.6959 | But, I think being that my mom worked here, | 612.7446 |
493 | | 613.0475 | she spread that | 614.0310 |
495 | | 615.0451 | to | 615.3612 |
497 | | 615.6561 | community [residents.] | 616.6037 |
498 | LES_int_01 | 616.4939 | [Yeah.] | 616.8978 |
499 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 617.0339 | [So I'm thankful] for that. | 618.0114 |
500 | LES_int_01 | 617.0339 | [Yeah.] | 617.4802 |
501 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 618.3012 | I'm thankful for that. | 618.9949 |
502 | LES_int_01 | 619.0896 | I know you talked about some racial [tensions and] I know that, you know, there have been times | 624.0096 |
503 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 620.8754 | [Mm-hm.] | 621.3659 |
504 | LES_int_01 | 624.1545 | in- | 624.8262 |
506 | | 624.9667 | in the neighborhood that have been sort of higher crime than others. I mean, was that something that | 629.7773 |
508 | | 630.0115 | i- | 630.1037 |
510 | | 630.2486 | you experienced that | 631.3286 |
512 | | 631.8334 | affected you directly? Did you s- did you see- | 634.4090 |
514 | | 634.8788 | did you see violence? Was it something you sort of | 636.6217 |
516 | | 637.8159 | had to deal with? | 638.5886 |
517 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 638.8783 | Put it this way, I grew up in crack era. | 640.4924 |
519 | | 640.9798 | The Eighties was [crack era.] | 642.2705 |
520 | LES_int_01 | 641.8359 | [Right.] | 642.2705 |
521 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 642.4329 | You know. | 642.8061 |
522 | LES_int_01 | 642.9290 | Yeah. | 643.2803 |
524 | | 644.6749 | [It hit hard.] | 645.4300 |
525 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 644.7027 | [So, of course it wa-] of course it was violence. | 646.7778 |
526 | | 646.9666 | Of course it was violence, of course there was drugs. | 649.1530 |
528 | | 649.7193 | But, | 650.0091 |
530 | | 651.0320 | I would say that | 652.0973 |
532 | | 652.4441 | I didn't f- growing up, | 653.6690 |
534 | | 655.3066 | talking school age. | 656.2681 |
535 | LES_int_01 | 656.2681 | Yeah. | 656.5974 |
536 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 657.6275 | I didn't see, I didn't, I didn't | 659.0412 |
538 | | 659.2432 | pay attention to it, I guess. | 660.4738 |
540 | | 660.7046 | I- cause I know it was there, [you know.] | 662.1583 |
541 | LES_int_01 | 661.7808 | [Yeah.] | 662.1539 |
542 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 662.2637 | Cause, you know, after a certain time, when the street lights come on, you go in the house because | 665.6822 |
544 | | 665.9851 | [they're gonna start shooting out. <laugh>] | 667.4954 |
545 | LES_int_01 | 665.9851 | [You just sort of knew, you just sort of] knew how to handle. | 668.6896 |
546 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 668.9618 | Yeah. Definitely. I mean, when you- you're brought up in a situation where many people | 672.6217 |
548 | | 672.7842 | consider at risk, | 673.6534 |
550 | | 674.2198 | I mean, for you, it's not at risk. It's your life. | 676.0666 |
551 | LES_int_01 | 676.3871 | Yeah. | 676.6944 |
552 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 677.1510 | So, it was like | 677.6251 |
554 | | 677.8051 | no, I just have to f- [wal- go around it.] Yeah. Go around the obstacles, don't | 681.4516 |
555 | LES_int_01 | 678.7165 | [So you just live your life.] | 680.0116 |
556 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 681.7156 | if you know, that in the big park at twelve o'clock, they having a gang meeting, | 685.1290 |
558 | | 685.2607 | a Zulu Nation meeting, | 686.3831 |
560 | | 686.6668 | you don't go | 687.4088 |
562 | | 687.5317 | to the big park. <laugh> | 688.4800 |
564 | | 688.6337 | You go | 689.0771 |
566 | | 689.2044 | around the big park. | 690.2888 |
567 | LES_int_01 | 690.3635 | Hello. [<laugh>] | 691.6088 |
568 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 690.8947 | [You know what I'm saying,] so. | 692.0303 |
569 | | 692.7986 | [I mean,] it definitely was there, but as a teenager, | 694.8708 |
570 | LES_int_01 | 692.7986 | [Right.] | 693.0888 |
571 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 695.3098 | yes, the- | 695.9640 |
573 | | 696.1922 | the violence was there, because, I don't know. For some reason, teenagers like to fight. | 699.1761 |
575 | | 699.8654 | I don't know what it is about it, at [that age,] I don't know if it's the testosterone, I don't know what it is, [but] | 704.3507 |
576 | LES_int_01 | 701.5099 | [Yeah.] | 701.7470 |
578 | | 704.1576 | [Angry.] | 704.6493 |
579 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 705.0268 | every day, there was a fight after school. | 706.4625 |
581 | | 707.1258 | Every day. Every day. | 708.7063 |
583 | | 709.1701 | Every day there [was a fight after school.] | 710.5267 |
584 | LES_int_01 | 709.8155 | [Did you get into fights?] | 710.7243 |
585 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 710.9614 | I wasn't a big fighter. I was more of the peace maker, like | 712.8492 |
587 | | 712.9721 | come on brothers and sisters, | 714.0960 |
589 | | 714.2189 | <laugh> we don't need to be [doing this.] | 715.6629 |
590 | LES_int_01 | 715.0615 | [<laugh>] | 715.5663 |
591 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 715.9790 | You know, I was more one of those, [but.] | 717.5771 |
592 | LES_int_01 | 717.3971 | [You] were like the talker. | 718.6132 |
593 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 718.6703 | [Yeah, like come on.] We don't need to, what- | 720.0093 |
594 | LES_int_01 | 718.7713 | [<laugh>] | 719.5000 |
595 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 720.1235 | What do you- | 720.5274 |
597 | | 720.7516 | She don't want your man. You know, I was the mediator. | 723.0521 |
598 | LES_int_01 | 723.3331 | Mm-hm. | 723.8033 |
599 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 723.8687 | So, | 724.2946 |
601 | | 725.1316 | I think that | 725.6760 |
603 | | 726.6024 | I needed to be that, [because] | 728.0643 |
604 | LES_int_01 | 727.9721 | [Yeah.] | 728.2838 |
605 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 730.4351 | this didn't make sense to me. | 731.5750 |
606 | LES_int_01 | 731.8428 | [Yeah.] | 732.2336 |
607 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 732.0448 | [To fight,] like, it just didn't make sense to me. | 734.0643 |
608 | | 734.6395 | If yo- if it's a life and death situation, yeah, I can understand it, but. | 737.5304 |
610 | | 737.8904 | He stepped on your sneaker, wipe it off. | 739.3202 |
611 | LES_int_01 | 739.3202 | [<laugh>] | 740.1894 |
612 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 739.7372 | [Like, that] was my whole [thing, you know what] I mean. But, growing up, I, | 742.1870 |
613 | LES_int_01 | 740.7865 | [Right.] | 741.1729 |
614 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 742.5693 | when I got older, as I got older, junior high school, high school age, | 745.2562 |
616 | | 745.5388 | of- | 745.6846 |
618 | | 746.0907 | I noticed a lot more dru- cause a lot of people who I was hanging out with were selling drugs, and [you know.] | 750.5430 |
619 | LES_int_01 | 750.2269 | [Right.] | 750.5430 |
620 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 750.7801 | Smoking pot, smoking bud, smoking weed, or whatever, [you know,] drinking forties, you know. | 755.4266 |
621 | LES_int_01 | 753.8110 | [Yeah.] | 754.0612 |
622 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 755.7515 | And I never really played a part in it. A lot of times, people say, oh you're just a goody-two-shoes. I was called a goody two shoe. | 760.3071 |
624 | | 760.8721 | And I didn't mind being called a goody two shoe. I was like listen, I'm gonna wait until I'm re- for one thing, it was a religious thing for me. | 765.8101 |
625 | LES_int_01 | 766.0386 | Right. | 766.4443 |
626 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 766.4722 | So, I wasn't gonna do it [anyway.] | 767.8030 |
627 | LES_int_01 | 767.4223 | [Hard time /???/.] | 768.2010 |
628 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 768.3922 | [But] then, for me, it was like, you know what? | 770.1315 |
629 | LES_int_01 | 768.3922 | [Mm-hm.] | 768.7511 |
630 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 770.4019 | For one thing, I don't have money be spending | 772.2158 |
632 | | 772.3277 | on that. <laugh> | 773.1192 |
634 | | 773.1938 | You know, I could | 773.7464 |
635 | LES_int_01 | 773.6484 | [Oh.] | 774.2546 |
636 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 773.9469 | [buy something else] like | 774.8328 |
637 | | 775.0100 | clothes or cute | 775.7281 |
639 | | 775.8773 | /plin/ or- [for my hair.] | 777.0803 |
640 | LES_int_01 | 776.5814 | [Food. <laugh>] | 778.2059 |
641 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 777.3432 | [Or food. Yeah, exactly.] | 778.7713 |
642 | LES_int_01 | 778.5661 | [Yeah.] | 778.9345 |
643 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 779.1536 | And you know, you're destroying yourself, and that's how I [always.] | 781.7450 |
644 | LES_int_01 | 781.5558 | [Yeah.] | 782.1294 |
645 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 782.8175 | It's funny, cause now, I'm older | 784.0858 |
647 | | 784.2164 | you know, I have my social | 785.4649 |
649 | | 785.7260 | life, I [do what I do.] | 786.9150 |
650 | LES_int_01 | 786.1970 | [Right.] | 786.6120 |
651 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 787.2554 | But, at the same time, when I was growing up, I really | 789.1439 |
653 | | 789.4610 | didn't like to see | 790.3563 |
655 | | 790.6360 | people do it. | 791.2003 |
657 | | 791.5047 | I- I had- | 791.8835 |
659 | | 792.1389 | All my friends hanging out, I didn't like to see them drinking, I didn't like to see them smoking. Like, I was- | 795.6852 |
661 | | 796.0162 | hit cigarette, like they would | 797.0001 |
663 | | 797.1120 | if I was coming, oh, | 797.9968 |
665 | | 798.2020 | put it out, /RD-NAME-3/'s coming. | 799.2511 |
666 | LES_int_01 | 799.3910 | [<laugh> Okay.] | 800.7759 |
667 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 799.8760 | [Kind of thing.] | 800.5101 |
668 | | 800.8085 | And then, it was cool. | 802.3193 |
670 | | 803.3265 | But, you know, as I got older, I started partaking in | 805.3770 |
672 | | 805.9133 | in smoking little bit of | 807.2235 |
674 | | 807.4334 | cigarettes, [drinking a little] bit of liquor. So they was like <gasp> /RD-NAME-3/? Like, uh, yes, yes, /RD-NAME-3/ but I waited til I was twenty one, like you [were supposed] to. Until I was really ready to deal with it, cause I look back, and I'm like, damn. | 817.5154 |
675 | LES_int_01 | 808.1876 | [Yeah.] | 808.6726 |
677 | | 813.6754 | [Yeah.] | 814.1184 |
678 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 818.5076 | They must have had a lot of pain. | 819.6780 |
679 | LES_int_01 | 819.8831 | Well, you're mature enough to make | 821.5233 |
680 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 821.7145 | [Yeah, but.] | 822.2461 |
681 | LES_int_01 | 821.7145 | [decisions.] | 822.8290 |
682 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 822.4652 | [The whole-] the whole thing is so | 823.7942 |
683 | | 824.4563 | I knew that, like | 825.2956 |
685 | | 825.5194 | they had a lot of pain. | 826.5581 |
687 | | 826.6793 | Like, a lot of people I grew up with, they had a lot of pain, that's why they did [what they did.] | 830.1625 |
688 | LES_int_01 | 829.5158 | [Why they turned] to. | 830.4903 |
689 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 830.4903 | In their family life, you know, they had a lot of addicts in their family, so you know. | 833.9982 |
690 | | 834.3106 | They learned behaviors, you know, so. | 836.2119 |
691 | LES_int_01 | 836.2306 | Right. | 836.6036 |
693 | | 838.4641 | So, tell me um, quickly, your schooling history. You went to school in the neighborhood? | 842.7104 |
694 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 845.2395 | Let's see, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/, | 846.7184 |
695 | LES_int_01 | 847.0775 | Uh-huh. | 847.3433 |
696 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 848.2199 | /RD-SCHOOL-5/ | 849.2690 |
697 | LES_int_01 | 849.5943 | /??/ | 850.0466 |
698 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 850.4802 | I was in /RD-SCHOOL-3/ | 851.5247 |
700 | | 851.7485 | something that /RD-NAME-2/ was very jealous of, cause she was not in the smart class, and I [was.] | 855.3078 |
701 | LES_int_01 | 854.9767 | [Uh-oh.] | 855.9979 |
702 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 856.5015 | And I got skipped in [/RD-SCHOOL-8/ from seventh] to the ninth. | 859.3827 |
703 | LES_int_01 | 858.3662 | [Uh-huh.] | 858.8139 |
704 | | 859.4993 | Oh, a leap. | 860.0449 |
706 | | 860.2314 | To | 860.5158 |
708 | | 861.0148 | two grades. | 861.7375 |
709 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 861.7375 | Mm-hm. | 862.3054 |
710 | | 863.0562 | [And then, um.] | 863.9141 |
711 | LES_int_01 | 863.0562 | [Look at you.] | 863.6950 |
712 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 864.2359 | That don't mean anything girl. [Let me finish.] <laugh> | 867.0045 |
713 | LES_int_01 | 865.4004 | [<laugh>] | 866.0113 |
714 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 867.6946 | Then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/ for music and art. | 869.5598 |
715 | LES_int_01 | 869.7882 | Um. Uptown. | 870.5669 |
716 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 870.6882 | Mm-hm. | 870.9586 |
717 | LES_int_01 | 870.9586 | Mm-hm. | 871.2233 |
718 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 871.2233 | /RD-ADDRESS-4/ | 871.9833 |
719 | LES_int_01 | 872.1931 | I literally just interviewed another girl who went there. She's younger than you, you probably didn't know her. | 875.8535 |
720 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 876.0074 | No. | 876.3664 |
721 | LES_int_01 | 876.6649 | But, she was [telling me about it.] | 877.6895 |
722 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 877.3119 | [Even if] she was there at the same time as I. | 879.0511 |
723 | LES_int_01 | 879.0884 | She said it was huge. | 880.1049 |
724 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 880.2122 | [Yeah.] | 880.5572 |
725 | LES_int_01 | 880.3287 | [I didn't] realize how big it was. | 881.5038 |
726 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 881.5038 | It's | 881.7043 |
727 | | 881.8409 | you have to think about it, it's | 882.7348 |
729 | | 882.8747 | how many different majors? It's vocal music, dance, | 885.3262 |
731 | | 886.7857 | drama, | 887.5411 |
733 | | 887.8209 | instrumental. | 888.4830 |
735 | | 888.6649 | So, it's four different majors. | 890.1745 |
737 | | 890.4262 | The school had like, eight, nine floors. | 892.1795 |
739 | | 892.6272 | It took up a whole block, it had like a basement. | 894.7618 |
740 | LES_int_01 | 894.7618 | Oh my [God.] | 895.4566 |
741 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 895.3260 | [It] had a huge theater. | 896.5046 |
742 | | 897.0455 | It had two theaters. | 898.1366 |
744 | | 898.9153 | It had two theaters, a elevator, | 900.7166 |
746 | | 901.5172 | It was a big | 902.3393 |
748 | | 902.6284 | school. | 903.0620 |
749 | LES_int_01 | 903.0620 | That's so amazing. | 904.1578 |
750 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 904.1578 | So, if I went to school with her, I wouldn't have known her anyway, unless she was a part of my crew. | 907.2399 |
751 | LES_int_01 | 907.2399 | [Yeah.] | 907.7296 |
752 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 907.5757 | [And most] of the time, tha- you stick to your friends who are in the same department. | 910.5817 |
753 | LES_int_01 | 910.8614 | So, [you did] dance, [right?] | 912.4876 |
754 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 911.0293 | [So.] | 911.5189 |
756 | | 912.0878 | [I did vocal music.] | 912.9751 |
757 | LES_int_01 | 912.9331 | [Oh,] really? | 913.6347 |
758 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 913.6559 | Mm-hm. | 913.9704 |
760 | | 914.1010 | [I was a singer.] | 914.9761 |
761 | LES_int_01 | 914.1010 | [You hav- woman of] many talents. | 915.7750 |
762 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 915.9055 | Well, this is what they say. | 916.9360 |
763 | LES_int_01 | 916.9360 | [<laugh>] | 918.3053 |
764 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 918.7669 | But, you know. | 919.2892 |
765 | LES_int_01 | 920.2831 | Awesome. [Awesome.] | 921.4675 |
766 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 920.8473 | [So, yeah. I went] to /RD-SCHOOL-4/, after /RD-SCHOOL-4/, I | 923.1808 |
767 | | 923.3207 | went straight to City College. | 924.7149 |
768 | LES_int_01 | 924.7149 | Okay. | 925.0973 |
769 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 925.2838 | Mm-hm. | 925.7874 |
771 | | 926.3050 | And I actually took a long | 927.8146 |
773 | | 928.2482 | break from it. | 929.1389 |
775 | | 929.3534 | And [I just graduated] and got my BA | 930.8688 |
776 | LES_int_01 | 929.5539 | [Mm-hm.] | 929.9239 |
777 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 931.1027 | [this year.] | 931.8302 |
778 | LES_int_01 | 931.1027 | [Oh, congratulations.] That's [awesome.] | 932.7954 |
779 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 932.5249 | [So.] | 932.9520 |
780 | | 933.5208 | Sometimes, life happens and you gotta step- step back. | 936.0108 |
781 | LES_int_01 | 936.1600 | [Totally.] | 936.4445 |
782 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 936.2020 | [But,] if I could redo it, I definitely wouldn't even think about the stuff I was thinking about, and I woulda just been thinking about school, [but] | 941.6782 |
783 | LES_int_01 | 941.4650 | [Right.] | 941.8939 |
784 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 942.1597 | you know, | 942.5561 |
785 | LES_int_01 | 942.6551 | [What was your BA in?] | 943.5830 |
786 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 942.8276 | [what's done is done.] | 943.8302 |
787 | | 944.0726 | Hm? | 944.3571 |
788 | LES_int_01 | 944.3571 | What was your degree in? | 945.2430 |
789 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 946.5813 | Excuse me? | 946.9963 |
790 | LES_int_01 | 947.0382 | Your degree? Like what did [you] | 948.1713 |
791 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 947.8496 | [Oh.] Well, by [degree was in Psychology.] | 950.2687 |
792 | LES_int_01 | 948.7542 | [your major, or whatever.] | 950.1801 |
793 | | 950.5951 | Oh. [Very cool.] | 951.9726 |
794 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 951.1751 | [Yes.] | 951.5155 |
795 | | 952.0693 | And it's strange, because | 953.1569 |
797 | | 953.5579 | I- I didn't wanna do that. | 954.4533 |
799 | | 955.5304 | I really didn't wanna | 956.2931 |
801 | | 956.7795 | <laugh> | 957.3048 |
802 | LES_int_01 | 957.3903 | So, why'd you do it? | 958.3612 |
803 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 958.4115 | I did it because, I always ow- | 959.9829 |
805 | | 960.1740 | cause at the time, I was going through my own little stuff, and I just wanted to learn and figure myself out. [So, I was like,] let me take psychology, maybe I'll | 965.6425 |
806 | LES_int_01 | 963.9452 | [Yeah.] | 964.2483 |
807 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 965.7730 | figure myself [out.] | 966.6399 |
808 | LES_int_01 | 966.4627 | [Learn] some tools [for] | 967.6378 |
809 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 967.3534 | [But, I've-] I've noticed that | 968.5191 |
810 | | 969.1859 | it's j- I've become over analytical, and. | 971.2296 |
812 | | 971.8778 | It's, [you know,] it's- it has it's- a- it's a blessing and a curse. | 975.2992 |
813 | LES_int_01 | 972.5294 | [Right.] | 972.9169 |
814 | | 975.2992 | Yeah. | 975.6209 |
815 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 975.6209 | You know what I mean. | 976.0685 |
816 | | 976.5069 | When I first went to school, I wanted to go for film and video. | 978.7301 |
818 | | 979.1544 | Camera- Film and video. | 980.1896 |
819 | LES_int_01 | 980.1849 | Mm. | 980.4227 |
820 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 980.4460 | So. | 980.8132 |
822 | | 981.4101 | But at the time, | 982.4592 |
824 | | 982.6364 | they had like, all the professors were working, so all the classes were at like, nine o'clock in the evenings. | 986.9474 |
826 | | 987.5023 | And it's in Harlem and at the time I was living in Brooklyn. | 990.3036 |
828 | | 990.6300 | So, I was like, yeah, no. I'm gonna drop that, and I'm gonna do [this.] | 994.2670 |
829 | LES_int_01 | 994.1085 | [Yeah.] That's really [tough.] | 995.3647 |
830 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 995.2761 | [So,] that's what happened with that. | 996.4279 |
831 | LES_int_01 | 996.7729 | So, let me ask you a little bit about um, | 999.2524 |
833 | | 999.3737 | your opinions about | 1000.6093 |
835 | | 1001.4393 | how the neighborhood has changed in the time that you've | 1004.1753 |
837 | | 1004.3571 | seen it. | 1004.9820 |
839 | | 1005.6767 | I know you don't live here anymore, but you obviously come back and you spend your time here. | 1008.9846 |
841 | | 1010.0897 | How do you sort of see | 1011.7205 |
843 | | 1011.8744 | what's been happening | 1012.7930 |
844 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1013.6743 | It's crazy. | 1014.3877 |
845 | LES_int_01 | 1014.3877 | here? | 1014.7421 |
846 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1014.9379 | [It's crazy.] | 1015.7086 |
847 | LES_int_01 | 1014.9426 | [I know. <laugh>] | 1016.2389 |
848 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1016.0664 | [I mean,] I can't even | 1016.8579 |
849 | | 1017.0538 | I'm'a tell you when I knew. The indication that I had that things were changing's when they started paving the streets, and when | 1022.4569 |
851 | | 1023.7812 | Clinton Street | 1024.5366 |
853 | | 1024.7884 | used to come this way. | 1025.7209 |
855 | | 1026.7887 | It [didn't come this] way. | 1027.6327 |
856 | LES_int_01 | 1026.9240 | [Right.] | 1027.3949 |
857 | | 1027.8938 | I remember that. I mean, I wasn't here, but I remember that. | 1029.6879 |
858 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1029.8977 | But that's w- you know, when they started doing stuff like that, I was like, uh-oh. | 1033.2783 |
859 | LES_int_01 | 1033.2783 | And they came in hard to | 1034.8918 |
861 | | 1035.0690 | get the drug dealers. | 1036.1232 |
863 | | 1036.5941 | Right? We- well. | 1037.4334 |
864 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1037.5640 | Yeah, they did, but you know, they always leave a little bit of crack in the- | 1040.3326 |
866 | | 1040.5891 | in the ghetto. | 1041.2419 |
868 | | 1041.3853 | You know, you hafta appease the | 1042.9474 |
869 | LES_int_01 | 1043.4510 | Right. [Right. There] was like a period where they were like, this is now where we're gonna | 1046.8362 |
870 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1043.6655 | [kids and stuff.] | 1044.3243 |
871 | | 1046.9481 | [Yeah.] | 1047.5485 |
872 | LES_int_01 | 1047.1661 | [you know. /?/] | 1047.9682 |
873 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1047.7303 | [Yeah.] I mean. | 1048.8168 |
874 | | 1049.8566 | They neighborhood has changed so much to the point that the hou- the building that's right here on this corner, | 1054.4194 |
876 | | 1055.2681 | is now | 1055.8778 |
878 | | 1056.4933 | condominium lofts, I don't know. | 1057.9714 |
879 | LES_int_01 | 1057.9714 | Is it really? | 1058.4051 |
880 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1058.6335 | Yeah. | 1058.9040 |
882 | | 1059.1744 | Used to be the crack | 1060.4054 |
884 | | 1061.0722 | house. Like, you know what I mean? | 1062.2135 |
886 | | 1062.5073 | All these, all these buildings along this street right here, | 1064.8807 |
888 | | 1065.3610 | this whole strip. | 1066.0324 |
890 | | 1066.3448 | Pitt Street actually was like | 1067.3964 |
892 | | 1067.5316 | dope fiend | 1068.2497 |
894 | | 1068.4362 | haven. | 1068.8327 |
896 | | 1069.5588 | Forget crack. It was dope fiend haven. [You could] get any | 1072.0022 |
897 | LES_int_01 | 1071.3774 | [Yeah.] | 1071.6478 |
898 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1072.4265 | And it was like, you would see people leaning, like, you know. | 1075.0980 |
900 | | 1075.5363 | To now, it's like tree lined and everything. You know what I'm saying now, the street is actually, you can actually drive up the street without your car getting into | 1082.2443 |
901 | LES_int_01 | 1082.3749 | Yeah. | 1082.6780 |
902 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1082.6780 | the deepest pothole. | 1083.6385 |
903 | | 1083.9836 | So, it's unfortunate that | 1085.2134 |
905 | | 1085.6238 | they started | 1086.0947 |
907 | | 1086.9993 | cleaning up the neighborhood | 1088.2443 |
909 | | 1088.5940 | for the people who were coming in the neighborhood | 1090.3555 |
911 | | 1090.6259 | opposed to cleaning [up the neighborhood for] the people actually live in the neighborhood. | 1093.7454 |
912 | LES_int_01 | 1091.2978 | [And not for.] | 1092.0812 |
913 | | 1093.7454 | Yeah. | 1094.0951 |
914 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1094.0951 | But, a lot of people argument is, well, you know. They don't take care of it, so they must not want it. | 1097.6471 |
915 | | 1098.9247 | But if you don't have the | 1099.8153 |
917 | | 1099.9925 | if you're not aware, | 1100.9344 |
919 | | 1101.2655 | if you don't know, | 1102.2447 |
921 | | 1102.4161 | then how yo- if you don't think you have the power, | 1104.3885 |
923 | | 1104.6962 | cause the thing is this, people, i- | 1106.0112 |
925 | | 1106.9298 | Baruch is one of the largest projects in- | 1108.7565 |
927 | | 1108.9850 | in Manhattan. | 1109.4932 |
928 | LES_int_01 | 1109.7590 | I think it is the largest, I think. | 1111.3118 |
930 | | 1111.7357 | [Is it?] | 1112.0773 |
931 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1111.7874 | [In Manhattan,] it may be the largest. It might be the largest, [I think it is. It's huge, it's very] big. | 1116.3286 |
932 | LES_int_01 | 1114.4352 | [It's huge. It's huge.] | 1115.8807 |
933 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1116.8272 | And | 1117.1676 |
935 | | 1117.6899 | these people are coming from | 1119.1120 |
937 | | 1119.3918 | all types of situations. You know, [some of 'em] are just coming here, to America. | 1123.2589 |
938 | LES_int_01 | 1121.0652 | [Yeah.] | 1121.3764 |
939 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1123.6739 | You know what I'm saying, so how do you expect people to | 1125.4629 |
941 | | 1126.0784 | say, hey, I need my street light fixed if they don't know English. | 1129.2284 |
943 | | 1129.9745 | Your- [or, if they coming] from a domestic violence | 1131.9517 |
944 | LES_int_01 | 1130.2356 | [Yeah.] | 1130.8979 |
945 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1132.1989 | situation, or tha- they got burnt out, I mean | 1134.4328 |
947 | | 1134.6239 | people are coming from | 1135.3840 |
948 | LES_int_01 | 1136.0928 | [Or they may not realize] | 1137.2492 |
949 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1136.2373 | [horrendous situations.] | 1137.7434 |
950 | LES_int_01 | 1137.4403 | [how to] do that. How to [go about doing] that. | 1139.4946 |
951 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1138.7133 | [That's my-] | 1139.1516 |
952 | | 1139.5040 | And the people who do know, | 1140.6939 |
954 | | 1140.9551 | it's unfortunate that | 1142.1534 |
956 | | 1142.3213 | people | 1142.7456 |
958 | | 1143.6316 | know that | 1144.1445 |
960 | | 1144.5073 | it's like, people's lives oversee | 1146.3813 |
962 | | 1147.1274 | politics and it shouldn't be like that. Because, your lives are, you know, directly affected by the politicians and the community board members and the | 1153.8455 |
964 | | 1154.0786 | even the tenant patrol people. | 1155.5755 |
965 | LES_int_01 | 1155.6921 | Yeah. | 1156.0185 |
966 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1156.0185 | You know, [and] | 1156.6348 |
967 | LES_int_01 | 1156.5742 | [Yeah.] | 1156.9138 |
968 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1156.9644 | And people don't go out to these meetings, people don't go | 1159.7248 |
970 | | 1159.9533 | and make noise about, people don't say hey, I live here and I need this. | 1163.3381 |
971 | LES_int_01 | 1163.3894 | Yeah. | 1163.6738 |
972 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1163.7018 | So, it went from mom and pop shops | 1166.0194 |
974 | | 1166.8578 | to all these boutiques that no one here can even shop in. | 1169.5974 |
975 | LES_int_01 | 1169.7839 | I know. | 1170.1149 |
976 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1170.6605 | You know, and [it's like] | 1171.7646 |
977 | LES_int_01 | 1171.2143 | [Yeah.] | 1171.5805 |
978 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1172.5106 | And I don't even wanna make it a race thing. | 1174.0109 |
980 | | 1174.2161 | [Because] | 1174.7243 |
981 | LES_int_01 | 1174.2161 | [Yeah.] | 1174.5554 |
982 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1174.8596 | it's more of a | 1175.5637 |
984 | | 1175.8015 | class thing. | 1176.4263 |
985 | LES_int_01 | 1176.4263 | It's more of a class [thing right?] | 1177.8065 |
986 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1177.4801 | [More of] a class thing. And it's like, even you see | 1179.3823 |
987 | | 1179.5129 | African Americans who are moving | 1180.6320 |
989 | | 1181.0516 | over here now, | 1181.8443 |
991 | | 1182.1148 | they're totally like | 1183.2059 |
993 | | 1183.6258 | disconnected | 1184.3066 |
995 | | 1184.9034 | to | 1185.3184 |
997 | | 1185.6542 | like. | 1185.7987 |
999 | | 1186.0085 | Actually, dang, do I have it in my | 1188.0196 |
1001 | | 1188.2782 | <ts> | 1188.4414 |
1003 | | 1189.0056 | I- | 1189.2574 |
1005 | | 1189.4439 | I'm actually doing a paper myself on- on my program on the need for community centers in- in low income areas. | 1195.4641 |
1006 | LES_int_01 | 1195.5387 | Yeah. | 1195.8138 |
1007 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1195.8184 | And | 1196.1122 |
1009 | | 1196.4293 | and I would- looked up | 1197.5064 |
1011 | | 1197.7667 | Lower East Side, and it happened to be some type of a | 1200.9188 |
1013 | | 1201.5063 | blog or something. | 1202.4584 |
1015 | | 1202.8081 | And it was like, oh, the Lower East Side is nice, it's cool, people, if you're single, | 1206.5229 |
1017 | | 1206.9891 | you can hang out there, da da da da da da da, right. And I'm thinking to myself, is this the same Lower East Side that I lived in? [Because] | 1212.7453 |
1018 | LES_int_01 | 1212.3443 | [Yeah.] | 1212.8619 |
1019 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1212.9225 | no. | 1213.3208 |
1021 | | 1213.4840 | Like, you know what I mean? | 1213.9935 |
1022 | LES_int_01 | 1214.1847 | [Yeah.] | 1214.5018 |
1023 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1214.1894 | [Oh there's] bars and [clubs and.] | 1216.0825 |
1024 | LES_int_01 | 1215.3784 | [The night life.] | 1216.2504 |
1025 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1216.3296 | The night life is- this is what the | 1217.8497 |
1027 | | 1217.9910 | this is what the email, the messages are saying, | 1219.8188 |
1029 | | 1220.0380 | and then one guy had the nerve to say | 1221.4860 |
1031 | | 1221.6725 | the only downfall is the projects. | 1223.9272 |
1033 | | 1224.1511 | It's kind of | 1224.8785 |
1035 | | 1225.4660 | it's kind of, um, | 1226.7836 |
1037 | | 1227.3944 | dangerous. Or something to that effect. | 1229.1476 |
1039 | | 1229.5160 | It's kind of dangerous over there, but | 1231.3598 |
1041 | | 1231.6255 | um, | 1231.9473 |
1043 | | 1232.0778 | they just generally stay to themselves, it's kind of sad actually. Like they kind of just made it seem like we were the goblins under the bridge. | 1238.1383 |
1045 | | 1239.0802 | You know, | 1239.7087 |
1047 | | 1239.8906 | [And I'm] like, well damn. | 1241.1787 |
1048 | LES_int_01 | 1239.8906 | [Yeah.] | 1240.3208 |
1049 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1241.4119 | You know, and this is | 1242.3481 |
1051 | | 1242.8330 | I'm- maybe I shouldn't admit this, but | 1244.3743 |
1053 | | 1244.8686 | at one point, I started telling people the wrong directions. They ask me for directions, [I'm like, oh, where] do you wanna go? You wanna go to Orchard Street? | 1251.1458 |
1054 | LES_int_01 | 1248.0030 | [<laugh>] | 1249.2340 |
1055 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1251.5608 | [It's that way. And I point right] to the PJs and they're like, | 1254.9545 |
1056 | LES_int_01 | 1251.5608 | [It's that way. <laugh>] | 1253.6209 |
1057 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1255.4161 | okay. Like, thanks, I think. Like, you know. | 1257.6773 |
1059 | | 1257.9944 | And then I see them ask somebody else, I'm like yeah, you better ask somebody else, cause I'm'a send you straight to where you're gonna get it. | 1263.2492 |
1060 | LES_int_01 | 1263.3564 | That's [funny.] | 1264.5404 |
1061 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1263.9016 | [You know,] but | 1264.8108 |
1062 | | 1264.9321 | I stopped doing that | 1265.7108 |
1064 | | 1266.2437 | cause of the [young lady who got shot.] | 1267.5909 |
1065 | LES_int_01 | 1266.7386 | [So, let me ask you,] um, | 1268.4778 |
1066 | | 1268.6690 | because I wanna understand, um, | 1271.0018 |
1068 | | 1271.1091 | but first, I have to ask you. | 1272.2499 |
1070 | | 1272.7255 | what do you think are the boundaries of the Lower East Side? Like geographically. | 1276.7238 |
1072 | | 1276.8497 | Where | 1277.1108 |
1074 | | 1277.4932 | the streets. | 1278.1833 |
1075 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1280.0403 | [For me?] | 1280.7120 |
1076 | LES_int_01 | 1280.0403 | [How it-] | 1280.4222 |
1077 | | 1280.7778 | Yeah. For you. | 1281.5198 |
1079 | | 1282.0862 | Cause everybody has a different. | 1283.3885 |
1080 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1283.8276 | A- aspect of [what it is, yeah.] | 1285.1578 |
1081 | LES_int_01 | 1284.4905 | [Yeah and they] think it's like a di- you know, goes from here to here. | 1287.2871 |
1082 | | 1288.0642 | What is it for you? | 1288.8149 |
1083 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1290.1349 | I include the- | 1290.9120 |
1085 | | 1291.0525 | I include China Town and I include Little Italy. | 1293.9501 |
1086 | LES_int_01 | 1294.0379 | Okay. | 1294.3847 |
1087 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1294.4593 | Because I think it's, you know, [if I could] walk to it | 1296.6310 |
1088 | LES_int_01 | 1295.7310 | [Yeah.] | 1296.0295 |
1089 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1297.5178 | in [fifteen] minutes, I think that's the Lower [East Side. (laughing) <laugh>] | 1299.9588 |
1090 | LES_int_01 | 1297.6978 | [Yeah.] | 1297.9832 |
1092 | | 1299.3486 | [Yeah. Okay.] Okay. | 1300.5340 |
1093 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1300.5427 | So, | 1300.8588 |
1095 | | 1301.8276 | I would say, from, like obviously all the housing projects along the whole | 1305.6603 |
1097 | | 1306.5414 | <ts> | 1306.6713 |
1099 | | 1307.8276 | end of the Lower East [Side.] | 1309.5178 |
1100 | LES_int_01 | 1309.3247 | [Right.] | 1309.8383 |
1101 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1310.0930 | Up into Smith, | 1310.9842 |
1103 | | 1312.0291 | so, that's like South Street Seaport. Like, [right before] South Street [Seaport.] | 1315.2676 |
1104 | LES_int_01 | 1313.5949 | [Yeah.] | 1313.9490 |
1106 | | 1314.9603 | [Yup .] | 1315.2317 |
1107 | | 1315.7594 | [Like Brooklyn Bridge.] | 1316.8834 |
1108 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1315.7988 | [All-] | 1316.4047 |
1110 | | 1316.6681 | [Yeah.] Brooklyn Bridge all the way up | 1318.3979 |
1111 | | 1318.5735 | to maybe Fourteenth Street and | 1320.4175 |
1113 | | 1323.4673 | Third. | 1323.8624 |
1115 | | 1324.3453 | But [people don't] consider that. People consider that the East Village. | 1326.7073 |
1116 | LES_int_01 | 1324.4726 | [Yeah.] | 1324.7844 |
1117 | | 1326.7336 | Yeah. What's your take on that. Some people think there's- there's | 1329.3751 |
1119 | | 1329.5682 | now two separate neighborhoods, like, the Lower East Side and the East [Village.] | 1333.9015 |
1120 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1333.2649 | [That's what- That's] uh, I think that's only because of the new people coming in cause w- I don't think- I think everybody. | 1337.7314 |
1121 | | 1338.0826 | I mean, people who are from here, maybe just from me, | 1340.2925 |
1122 | LES_int_01 | 1340.2925 | Yeah. | 1340.5955 |
1123 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1340.9686 | the East Village is just an extension [of the Lower East Side, to] me. | 1344.7619 |
1124 | LES_int_01 | 1342.7012 | [East Village is- is like a] | 1344.3519 |
1125 | | 1344.9358 | and that name is like a real estate | 1346.9334 |
1127 | | 1347.3944 | invention. | 1348.0836 |
1128 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1348.2944 | [Exactly.] | 1349.1949 |
1129 | LES_int_01 | 1348.6988 | [It's new, you know. Yeah. Okay.] | 1350.5339 |
1130 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1349.3486 | [Exactly.] | 1350.2091 |
1132 | | 1350.3144 | [So,] it's like. | 1351.0081 |
1133 | LES_int_01 | 1351.0081 | Okay. | 1351.2759 |
1135 | | 1351.4910 | So, we got this huge neighborhood, right, with these | 1353.6407 |
1137 | | 1354.2334 | big boundaries. | 1355.0369 |
1139 | | 1355.3837 | So, | 1356.0071 |
1141 | | 1356.3320 | do all people that live inside those streets | 1359.3949 |
1143 | | 1359.6188 | do they form one Lower East Side | 1362.4944 |
1145 | | 1363.0257 | community? | 1363.7924 |
1147 | | 1364.6398 | And I guess to- for you to answer that, I have to ask you, like what does | 1367.5769 |
1149 | | 1368.0510 | community mean to you? Like wha- how do you define that? | 1370.5113 |
1151 | | 1372.3493 | What does it mean? | 1373.1693 |
1152 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1380.1388 | Community means to me | 1381.2276 |
1154 | | 1384.1017 | the clinics, | 1384.8086 |
1156 | | 1385.3090 | that are in the area. | 1386.2178 |
1157 | LES_int_01 | 1386.3408 | Yeah. | 1386.6920 |
1158 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1387.1310 | You know, | 1387.6447 |
1160 | | 1387.8774 | post offices | 1388.6617 |
1161 | LES_int_01 | 1389.2500 | [Yeah.] | 1389.6056 |
1162 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1389.5134 | [You] know, the stores, the people, the- | 1391.6866 |
1163 | | 1392.0378 | the culture. | 1392.7008 |
1165 | | 1393.9944 | As many cultures as there are in the Lower East Side. | 1396.0856 |
1166 | LES_int_01 | 1396.4968 | Yeah. | 1396.7690 |
1167 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1396.8744 | Cause there are | 1397.3354 |
1169 | | 1397.8095 | I can't even [name.] | 1398.5954 |
1170 | LES_int_01 | 1398.2266 | [A lot. <laugh>] | 1399.3418 |
1171 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1398.9159 | [You know] what I'm saying, I can't even name. | 1400.2973 |
1172 | | 1400.7407 | I mean, I think that we are | 1401.7285 |
1174 | | 1402.1281 | in hist- in history, the Lower East Side has been a place for immigrants, for people to start off. | 1406.3060 |
1175 | LES_int_01 | 1406.7669 | [Yes. Yes.] | 1407.9013 |
1176 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1406.8372 | [You know what I mean.] | 1407.6554 |
1178 | | 1407.8969 | And I just | 1408.4369 |
1179 | | 1409.2052 | that's what I think community- community is family. | 1411.1111 |
1181 | | 1411.5457 | Community is | 1412.5072 |
1183 | | 1413.0062 | I know your mother. | 1413.8052 |
1185 | | 1414.4637 | <laugh> | 1414.7491 |
1186 | LES_int_01 | 1414.8764 | [Right.] | 1415.2871 |
1187 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1414.9511 | [So, I'm'a] tell her when I saw y- y- I saw you cutting. | 1417.3482 |
1188 | LES_int_01 | 1417.5413 | [Right.] | 1417.8618 |
1189 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1417.6160 | [That's] community | 1418.4413 |
1190 | LES_int_01 | 1418.5116 | Right. | 1418.9199 |
1191 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1418.9682 | to me, just knowing | 1420.0071 |
1193 | | 1420.1213 | seeing the familiar faces | 1421.4911 |
1194 | LES_int_01 | 1421.6359 | Okay. | 1421.9784 |
1195 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1421.9784 | that you've seen since you were a child. | 1423.6774 |
1196 | | 1423.8311 | You know what [I mean.] | 1424.5818 |
1197 | LES_int_01 | 1424.2570 | [Okay.] | 1424.5818 |
1198 | | 1424.9023 | [And what about] all these new people moving in? Are they a part of | 1428.0200 |
1199 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1424.9819 | [That's community.] | 1425.6745 |
1200 | LES_int_01 | 1428.4107 | The Lower East Side [community?] | 1430.0219 |
1201 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1429.3512 | [I feel like] they are visiting. | 1430.9278 |
1202 | | 1431.2653 | I think they're visitors. | 1432.2679 |
1204 | | 1432.7528 | I think that in a couple of years, when they're ready to raise their children, or whatever the case may be, I think they're gonna move on up out of here. | 1437.7197 |
1205 | LES_int_01 | 1438.7917 | Right. | 1439.0575 |
1206 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1439.1601 | Or, | 1439.7756 |
1208 | | 1440.1766 | the people who are here | 1441.3303 |
1210 | | 1441.9271 | are gonna be moved out. | 1443.1348 |
1212 | | 1443.5483 | The people who've been here, are gonna be moved out. I [definitely] know there's a disconnection. | 1446.7989 |
1213 | LES_int_01 | 1445.3435 | [Right.] | 1445.6892 |
1214 | | 1447.0264 | [Yeah.] | 1447.3574 |
1215 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1447.1709 | [Once] you hit Clinton Street, | 1448.3320 |
1216 | | 1449.5394 | not even Clinton Street anymore. Pitt Street. | 1451.5305 |
1217 | LES_int_01 | 1451.7124 | [Yeah.] | 1452.0356 |
1218 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1451.7371 | [Unfortunately,] once you hit Pitt Street, | 1453.2698 |
1219 | | 1453.6475 | it's a whole nother life. | 1454.5416 |
1220 | LES_int_01 | 1454.7421 | [Yeah.] | 1455.0918 |
1221 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1454.7666 | [It's a who-] cause, I did a study with my, not a study, but my kids did a community survey | 1458.3092 |
1222 | LES_int_01 | 1459.0095 | [Cool.] | 1459.2942 |
1223 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1459.1690 | [on] gentrification. | 1459.9337 |
1224 | LES_int_01 | 1460.4467 | Cool. | 1460.7591 |
1225 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1461.4285 | A lot of people didn't know what gentrification even was. [They didn't even] know that they didn't even know that they were being affected by it. | 1465.4766 |
1226 | LES_int_01 | 1463.4791 | [Yeah.] | 1463.8475 |
1227 | | 1465.5867 | Yeah. | 1465.9178 |
1228 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1466.3188 | But, | 1466.5333 |
1230 | | 1467.0733 | once you hit this street, right here, | 1468.9308 |
1232 | | 1469.2152 | the answers on this side were totally different than the answers on this side, obviously. | 1473.0549 |
1233 | LES_int_01 | 1473.1948 | [Interesting.] | 1473.7637 |
1234 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1473.3911 | [The people] this side were like, | 1474.5677 |
1235 | | 1474.9014 | what? | 1475.1472 |
1237 | | 1475.3404 | Yeah this community's going through gentrification. | 1477.1641 |
1239 | | 1477.4066 | Da da da da da. | 1478.1620 |
1240 | LES_int_01 | 1478.2879 | [Yeah.] | 1478.6609 |
1241 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1478.3112 | [On the] other side, | 1479.2391 |
1242 | | 1479.5655 | No, there's no- there's no [gentrification.] | 1481.8364 |
1243 | LES_int_01 | 1481.4820 | [It's a- everything's great.] | 1482.9228 |
1244 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1482.3353 | [Everything is great] and you know, we go to- h- you wanna get a drink | 1485.3837 |
1245 | LES_int_01 | 1485.5236 | [<laugh>] | 1486.5307 |
1246 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1485.7194 | [at the bar?] | 1486.5541 |
1247 | | 1486.7592 | That | 1486.9597 |
1249 | | 1487.1276 | the mini bar that's on this block. | 1488.6570 |
1251 | | 1489.3553 | So, | 1489.7656 |
1252 | LES_int_01 | 1489.9102 | Even on Pitt Street, I- | 1491.3743 |
1253 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1492.4701 | Y- no, you really. It's really, it's mind-boggling. [Like, wha-] | 1495.5629 |
1254 | LES_int_01 | 1495.2692 | [Yeah.] | 1495.5629 |
1255 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1495.8893 | Cause, | 1496.1206 |
1257 | | 1496.2391 | m- I told you, I lived in Brooklyn. | 1497.5762 |
1259 | | 1497.6974 | [I live] in the Bronx, it's like, even coming back from Brooklyn, when I was | 1501.0733 |
1260 | LES_int_01 | 1497.6974 | [Yeah.] | 1497.9678 |
1261 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1501.4604 | nineteen years old to come to | 1502.9292 |
1263 | | 1503.1623 | get a job at The Beacon, | 1504.6346 |
1264 | LES_int_01 | 1504.8445 | Yeah. | 1505.1709 |
1265 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1505.8563 | it was totally different then, and that was | 1507.4743 |
1267 | | 1508.7753 | and, dare I say it, that was ten years ago. | 1510.7885 |
1268 | LES_int_01 | 1511.0450 | Yeah. | 1511.4553 |
1269 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1511.4833 | So, when the- within the last ten years, | 1513.3065 |
1271 | | 1514.1458 | forget these buildings going up, this blue building and all tha- | 1516.5973 |
1273 | | 1516.8771 | it was already changing before that. | 1518.5278 |
1274 | LES_int_01 | 1518.5278 | Right. | 1518.8029 |
1275 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1518.8588 | And what people ou- don't realize is all of these things are in plans, in the works. People have been planning this for the last fifteen to twenty years they wanted this cha- | 1526.2895 |
1277 | | 1526.6101 | rezoning and all of these things to happen. | 1528.5219 |
1278 | LES_int_01 | 1528.5965 | Yeah. | 1528.8623 |
1279 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1528.8623 | This didn't just ho- happen over night. | 1530.6202 |
1280 | LES_int_01 | 1530.6202 | Yeah. | 1530.9559 |
1281 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1531.0165 | And the thing is, people didn't get the signs when it was happening. | 1533.4250 |
1282 | LES_int_01 | 1533.6488 | Yeah. | 1533.8931 |
1283 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1534.3256 | So, if the- is there a big difference between us and them? | 1536.6664 |
1285 | | 1536.9042 | Yes. | 1537.4357 |
1286 | LES_int_01 | 1537.7435 | Yeah. | 1537.9957 |
1287 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1537.9957 | It's always gonna be a difference between the poor and the rich. Always. | 1541.0042 |
1288 | LES_int_01 | 1541.0835 | Okay. | 1541.4379 |
1289 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1541.5824 | [No matter] where you are. You could be in Lower East Side, you could be in Mississippi, you could be (laughing) | 1545.8004 |
1290 | LES_int_01 | 1541.7316 | [Yeah .] | 1542.0625 |
1291 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1546.1548 | in La- L- Los Angeles, you could be in Chicago, there's always gonna be | 1549.5064 |
1293 | | 1549.8981 | the low | 1550.4204 |
1295 | | 1550.7281 | and the rich. The low class and the high class. [It's always gonna be there.] | 1553.4024 |
1296 | LES_int_01 | 1552.6105 | [And could those] two groups] | 1554.4444 |
1297 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1554.5832 | [Coexist?] | 1555.3183 |
1298 | LES_int_01 | 1555.0599 | [come] together? I'm- not even just coexist. I mean, can they- | 1558.0244 |
1299 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1558.0244 | Come together? | 1558.7844 |
1300 | LES_int_01 | 1558.7844 | Yeah. | 1559.2227 |
1301 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1559.5072 | The only way I think for them to- for us | 1562.3096 |
1303 | | 1562.4996 | to come together | 1563.3902 |
1305 | | 1563.8798 | is, um, | 1564.5606 |
1307 | | 1565.1808 | we have to have some type of common ground. | 1567.2325 |
1308 | LES_int_01 | 1568.0473 | Yeah. | 1568.3317 |
1309 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1568.4250 | You know, and. | 1569.4135 |
1311 | | 1570.6352 | If people who live in the housing projects don't think they have anything in | 1573.6482 |
1313 | | 1573.8368 | common, or they think that the people who live in the condos are better than them, | 1576.6632 |
1315 | | 1577.1388 | they're not gonna even think to, | 1578.7662 |
1317 | | 1579.1625 | you know what I'm saying, | 1579.8121 |
1318 | LES_int_01 | 1579.8344 | Yeah. | 1580.0724 |
1319 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1580.0724 | try to come together. | 1581.3275 |
1320 | LES_int_01 | 1581.3275 | Yeah. | 1581.7658 |
1321 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1581.7658 | You have people coming from two different walks of life. | 1584.0401 |
1322 | LES_int_01 | 1584.2546 | Yeah. | 1584.6276 |
1323 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1585.5322 | [And if] hopefully, if we can make it- make a I don't know, we could have some type of conference or we could have just a town hall meeting or [whole Lower] East Side meeting and [people] come out and talk, | 1594.5250 |
1324 | LES_int_01 | 1585.5322 | [Yeah.] | 1585.8469 |
1326 | | 1592.1143 | [Right.] | 1592.4220 |
1328 | | 1593.4712 | [Right.] | 1593.7510 |
1329 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1595.5719 | Maybe, we could make moves toward that. | 1597.7643 |
1330 | LES_int_01 | 1597.7643 | Right. | 1598.1607 |
1331 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1598.2679 | But, I just feel like there's gonna be a lot of tension | 1600.5447 |
1333 | | 1601.3188 | there. | 1601.8037 |
1335 | | 1601.9589 | You know what I mean. | 1602.5790 |
1336 | LES_int_01 | 1602.6537 | [Mm-hm.] | 1603.0313 |
1337 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1602.8448 | [Cause] you have people who lived in the Lower East Side all their lives and | 1605.2855 |
1338 | | 1605.5606 | and feel that the gentrification is | 1607.3548 |
1340 | | 1607.5367 | actually good for us, and [you know.] | 1609.2853 |
1341 | LES_int_01 | 1608.9635 | [Yeah.] | 1609.3366 |
1342 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1609.7178 | But at the same time, for organizations like mine, like this organization here, we are getting budget cuts. | 1614.3480 |
1344 | | 1614.6045 | Because | 1615.0708 |
1346 | | 1615.9556 | they don't see the need anymore. | 1617.3591 |
1348 | | 1617.7694 | Because the income bracket has gone up. | 1619.6206 |
1350 | | 1620.2175 | So, if you got all these | 1621.3074 |
1352 | | 1621.6198 | and they're not counting all the people who still live | 1623.7974 |
1354 | | 1623.9560 | in the [projects.] | 1625.1077 |
1355 | LES_int_01 | 1624.8326 | [Yeah.] | 1625.3502 |
1356 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1625.3502 | You know what I'm saying, who [live in] these tenement houses, [who] | 1627.5023 |
1357 | LES_int_01 | 1625.9018 | [Yeah.] | 1626.1629 |
1359 | | 1627.3158 | [Yeah.] | 1627.6888 |
1360 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1627.9546 | They're not counting them, they're counting all these people who live in that blue building who's paying fifteen thousand dollars a month or [whatever they wanna] pay. | 1634.5095 |
1361 | LES_int_01 | 1633.3764 | [Who-] | 1633.6608 |
1363 | | 1633.8240 | [Who] | 1634.0619 |
1364 | | 1634.7287 | does that? I jus- | 1635.9363 |
1365 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1636.2907 | People who have money [<laugh> to do that.] | 1638.5044 |
1366 | LES_int_01 | 1637.1942 | [I know. They're so-] I just don't understand where they're coming from. Like, [there's just so ma- seems] to be so many of them. | 1642.3000 |
1367 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1640.7007 | [They're coming f-] | 1641.3127 |
1368 | | 1642.7838 | they're coming- L- I mean, | 1643.9775 |
1370 | | 1644.6537 | so many of them, it's not- it's | 1646.0852 |
1372 | | 1646.6354 | it's not- that's not even, that's a understatement. | 1648.8454 |
1373 | LES_int_01 | 1648.8454 | Yeah. | 1649.2931 |
1374 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1649.2931 | It's a understatement. I- you- I- | 1650.6051 |
1375 | | 1650.8009 | I'm sure you've hung out here | 1652.1112 |
1377 | | 1652.5122 | on a Friday [night.] | 1653.4634 |
1378 | LES_int_01 | 1653.2338 | [Yeah.] | 1653.9193 |
1379 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1654.1384 | I've hung o- I k- I'll just walk through. | 1656.0502 |
1381 | | 1656.2647 | Going to th- t- on my way to the train station, [it's flooded.] | 1659.6965 |
1382 | LES_int_01 | 1658.0413 | [Yeah.] | 1658.3583 |
1384 | | 1659.2350 | [I know, it's] insane. | 1660.3851 |
1385 | | 1660.5203 | [It's completely insane.] | 1661.4622 |
1386 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1660.6742 | [It's flooded.] People throwing up and | 1662.5727 |
1387 | | 1662.8851 | [Like.] | 1663.2395 |
1388 | LES_int_01 | 1662.8851 | [<laugh>] | 1663.2395 |
1389 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1663.6359 | My kid goes to school right here, and you're. | 1665.1650 |
1391 | | 1665.5613 | You know, one day, um /RD-NAME-2/ told me this one story that she um, was walking and some um, | 1669.5308 |
1393 | | 1669.9225 | some lady was walking her dog in the school yard on a school day. | 1672.6516 |
1395 | | 1673.9346 | You know, | 1674.4511 |
1396 | LES_int_01 | 1674.4511 | [Yeah.] | 1674.8755 |
1397 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1674.5724 | [the dog] is defecating, [urinating] | 1676.4795 |
1398 | LES_int_01 | 1676.3303 | [Yeah.] | 1676.7872 |
1399 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1676.8758 | Okay, it's like eleven o'clock, kids | 1678.5833 |
1401 | | 1678.7652 | go [to] | 1679.2026 |
1402 | LES_int_01 | 1678.9415 | [About] to [play.] | 1680.3917 |
1403 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1679.6969 | [recess, you] know. | 1680.8212 |
1404 | | 1681.0496 | So, /RD-NAME-2/ started screaming at her. | 1682.9570 |
1406 | | 1683.0751 | <laugh> Some other lady starts screaming at her, | 1685.3329 |
1407 | LES_int_01 | 1685.4028 | Good [for them.] | 1685.9978 |
1408 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1685.6657 | [This poor] woman is getting attacked, right. | 1687.7640 |
1409 | | 1687.9645 | She's like, I live here too, I live here too. And oh, and /RD-NAME-2/ was like no, you're a visitor. | 1692.4709 |
1411 | | 1692.8307 | Cause you're [not,] cause if you had any sense that this was your neighborhood, | 1695.8045 |
1412 | LES_int_01 | 1693.0829 | [Oh.] | 1693.4140 |
1413 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1696.0423 | I think that that's the issue. | 1697.1381 |
1415 | | 1697.3246 | They don't think of it as their neighborhood. | 1699.0545 |
1416 | LES_int_01 | 1699.2411 | Right. | 1699.6561 |
1417 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1699.6561 | They think of it as | 1700.6213 |
1418 | | 1700.7612 | their | 1701.0316 |
1420 | | 1701.2554 | hot s- [this is the hot spot.] | 1702.7601 |
1421 | LES_int_01 | 1701.9860 | [A cool place to.] | 1703.5388 |
1422 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1703.3103 | [Oh,] like- like the email stated that I just told you. | 1706.1490 |
1423 | LES_int_01 | 1706.1490 | Yeah. | 1706.4940 |
1424 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1706.4940 | Oh, you can hang out if you're single, you can have a good time. | 1709.3164 |
1425 | LES_int_01 | 1709.4237 | [Yeah.] | 1709.8184 |
1426 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1709.5729 | [So what] does that mean? | 1710.5185 |
1427 | LES_int_01 | 1710.5838 | [Yeah.] | 1711.0967 |
1428 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1710.8169 | [They're] building up hotels too. | 1712.1598 |
1429 | LES_int_01 | 1712.5079 | <ts> I know. | 1713.1887 |
1431 | | 1713.5443 | Okay, so let me ask your opinions about housing and development [and in] particular, because one issue that like, /RD-NAME-2/ and GOALS and me are work- are working on is this um. | 1722.1953 |
1432 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1716.3300 | [Mm-hm.] | 1716.8289 |
1433 | LES_int_01 | 1722.7082 | Uh. The parking lots that are just south of Delancey [on- by] the Williamsburg [bridge,] t- you're familiar with [those.] | 1728.4195 |
1434 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1725.8098 | [Mm-hm.] | 1726.1455 |
1436 | | 1726.9647 | [Mm-hm.] | 1727.3098 |
1438 | | 1728.2703 | [Mm-hm.] | 1728.5501 |
1439 | LES_int_01 | 1729.0164 | It's a urban renewal site. | 1730.5412 |
1440 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1730.8396 | Hm. | 1731.0634 |
1441 | LES_int_01 | 1731.4085 | And | 1732.2666 |
1443 | | 1732.4438 | if you know, it's been vacant for | 1734.2577 |
1444 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1734.2577 | Ever. | 1734.5794 |
1445 | LES_int_01 | 1734.9058 | ever. So, forty years. | 1736.3269 |
1446 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1736.3269 | Mm-hm. | 1736.7372 |
1447 | LES_int_01 | 1736.7885 | Um. | 1737.0916 |
1448 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1737.0916 | They used to have carnivals there. | 1738.2293 |
1449 | LES_int_01 | 1738.7656 | Really? | 1739.1992 |
1451 | | 1740.6711 | So, | 1741.2320 |
1453 | | 1741.4745 | uh, I always ask people, | 1742.9373 |
1455 | | 1743.8827 | it's a huge area of land, I think it's the- | 1745.8971 |
1457 | | 1746.6898 | the biggest area, undeveloped, you know, in Manhattan, south of Ninety-Sixth Street or something. | 1751.1370 |
1458 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1751.4954 | Hm. | 1751.7670 |
1459 | LES_int_01 | 1751.8551 | If it were up to you, | 1752.9835 |
1461 | | 1753.7389 | blank slate. | 1754.4244 |
1463 | | 1755.1191 | What would you wanna see developed in a big plot of land like that, in the middle of your community? What do you think is needed | 1760.3078 |
1465 | | 1760.7834 | here. | 1761.2905 |
1466 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1763.3892 | Damn straight ain't another boutique. | 1764.6105 |
1467 | LES_int_01 | 1765.3239 | Yeah. | 1765.6643 |
1468 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1765.7762 | But, um. | 1766.5736 |
1470 | | 1769.6359 | It's hard for me now, because I don't live here. | 1771.8788 |
1471 | LES_int_01 | 1771.8788 | Yeah. | 1772.2798 |
1472 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1772.5596 | [You know] but. | 1773.3977 |
1473 | LES_int_01 | 1772.5596 | [Yeah.] | 1772.9874 |
1474 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1776.1395 | A hospital. | 1776.8903 |
1476 | | 1777.2540 | [Perhaps.] | 1777.9128 |
1477 | LES_int_01 | 1777.3053 | [Hm.] | 1777.6503 |
1478 | | 1777.9128 | Okay. | 1778.1959 |
1479 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1778.4057 | Because we don't have any hospitals in this immediate area. [You have] to go up to | 1781.7852 |
1480 | LES_int_01 | 1780.9645 | [Right.] | 1781.2209 |
1481 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1781.9670 | Fourteenth [Street,] Sixteenth Street, or you have to go South to Beekman [Hospital] | 1785.2276 |
1482 | LES_int_01 | 1782.5405 | [Right.] | 1782.8110 |
1484 | | 1785.0690 | [Right.] | 1785.4411 |
1485 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1785.5670 | There's no hospital here. So if somebody needs medical care. <snap> | 1787.7678 |
1487 | | 1788.9138 | That could be a [hospital.] It's right off the bridge. | 1790.8862 |
1488 | LES_int_01 | 1789.6179 | [Right.] | 1789.9956 |
1489 | | 1790.8862 | Yeah. | 1791.2359 |
1490 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1791.2359 | You know, but that might be a issue too because of the [traffic.] | 1793.5580 |
1491 | LES_int_01 | 1793.3668 | [Yeah.] It's- | 1794.1049 |
1492 | | 1794.2354 | it's a st- an interesting space. The- A lot of the issues uh that people not being able to agree has been about [housing.] Building housing, [and if] | 1801.2687 |
1493 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1800.3082 | [Mm-hm.] | 1800.6439 |
1495 | | 1800.9190 | [Mm-hm.] | 1801.3526 |
1496 | LES_int_01 | 1801.6977 | it were to be built, | 1802.4801 |
1497 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1803.0677 | Is it gonna be affordable housing? | 1804.1401 |
1498 | LES_int_01 | 1804.3313 | [Exactly.] | 1804.9002 |
1499 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1804.7416 | [Or is] it gonna be another blue building? | 1806.0998 |
1500 | LES_int_01 | 1806.1697 | Exactly. Exactly. So, what- sort of, what's your take on that? | 1809.2737 |
1502 | | 1811.2323 | Like, do you think there should be- there needs to be housing built | 1813.8923 |
1504 | | 1814.6896 | in the [community?] | 1815.7046 |
1505 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1815.3005 | [Of course.] | 1815.8553 |
1506 | | 1816.1491 | [Of course.] | 1816.8299 |
1507 | LES_int_01 | 1816.1771 | [And then, if] so, for who? | 1817.6645 |
1508 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1817.7718 | Low income. | 1818.5540 |
1510 | | 1818.7219 | Mid income. | 1819.3653 |
1512 | | 1819.5006 | People who can, you know, people who work every day | 1821.5476 |
1513 | LES_int_01 | 1821.5476 | Yeah. | 1821.8040 |
1514 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1821.9812 | people who don't have | 1822.7133 |
1516 | | 1822.8532 | private jet services, people who don't have | 1824.6193 |
1518 | | 1825.1602 | you know, | 1825.7477 |
1520 | | 1825.8829 | Mercedes Benzes, like four of five of them, [you know what I] mean. | 1828.7040 |
1521 | LES_int_01 | 1828.0652 | [Yeah.] | 1828.3757 |
1522 | | 1828.7914 | Yeah. | 1829.1318 |
1523 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1829.3801 | Working people. | 1830.1996 |
1524 | LES_int_01 | 1830.1996 | Yeah. | 1830.5493 |
1525 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1830.5493 | People who live in the community so they don't have to co- | 1832.7269 |
1526 | | 1833.1326 | people who moved out of the community because of necessity, because they couldn't find anything here, who work here, like myself. | 1838.2326 |
1527 | LES_int_01 | 1838.3679 | Right. | 1838.7129 |
1528 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1838.7782 | I live all the way in East New York. | 1840.1911 |
1529 | LES_int_01 | 1840.5408 | Yeah. | 1840.8672 |
1531 | | 1841.2589 | [Because you- because] you weren't able [to] | 1842.9178 |
1532 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1841.2868 | [You know.] | 1841.8791 |
1534 | | 1842.7734 | [Cause] I wasn't able to find | 1843.8865 |
1535 | | 1844.3040 | um, housing over here. | 1845.3625 |
1536 | LES_int_01 | 1845.3625 | Yeah. | 1845.6143 |
1537 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1845.9127 | And if I- and the housing that I did find was | 1847.7872 |
1539 | | 1848.2861 | above my income. | 1849.0963 |
1540 | LES_int_01 | 1849.2176 | Yeah. | 1849.5486 |
1542 | | 1849.9916 | Now, do you like, um, models that are- | 1851.8428 |
1544 | | 1851.9966 | are all low income? or like mi- a mix- like mixed housing. That's sort of a newer | 1856.4476 |
1546 | | 1856.6248 | concept. Like, you put low, moderate, and middle, | 1859.2113 |
1548 | | 1859.7382 | all in the same complex. | 1861.2676 |
1550 | | 1861.6453 | Which one of those, like strikes you better? | 1863.2529 |
1551 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1865.7429 | I would say mixed. | 1866.6848 |
1553 | | 1867.1418 | But we have to st- be careful with that because sometime, | 1869.5420 |
1555 | | 1869.9057 | those upper class | 1870.8523 |
1557 | | 1871.4584 | people get up in there and | 1872.8806 |
1559 | | 1874.0230 | a lot of times, when even when you apply for subsidized housing, it says only four units are available. | 1878.3211 |
1561 | | 1879.0345 | It should be reversed. [It should only] be four units available for the [upper income] and more of the units available | 1884.1346 |
1562 | LES_int_01 | 1879.8277 | [It should.] | 1880.2863 |
1564 | | 1881.8747 | [Right.] | 1882.2291 |
1566 | | 1883.7072 | [Right. Right. It's got to be distributed] in the right way. | 1886.5173 |
1567 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1884.4253 | [for low income.] | 1885.3668 |
1568 | | 1886.8916 | [For low] income, I mean, I think I'm low income. | 1888.9468 |
1569 | LES_int_01 | 1886.8916 | [Yeah.] | 1887.2065 |
1570 | | 1889.3804 | Yeah. | 1889.6276 |
1571 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1889.9120 | I have a job, I have a an- annual salary, but I [still,] I'm not making a thousand | 1894.0247 |
1572 | LES_int_01 | 1892.3927 | [Yeah.] | 1892.8263 |
1573 | | 1894.2380 | [Yeah.] | 1894.6810 |
1574 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1894.5271 | [hundred] thousand, million [dollars a year either.] | 1896.7466 |
1575 | LES_int_01 | 1895.8047 | [Yeah. Yeah.] | 1896.7466 |
1576 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1897.1523 | You know so. | 1897.9963 |
1577 | LES_int_01 | 1898.5465 | Yeah. I'm a student. I'm definitely low income (laughing). <laugh> | 1901.1363 |
1579 | | 1901.7472 | Um. | 1902.3161 |
1581 | | 1902.4186 | What about building height? | 1903.5039 |
1583 | | 1903.6951 | Also something people really opinionated about. Do you think that there's something that's too tall for this community? Like, do you- do you, | 1910.6230 |
1585 | | 1911.3691 | think if like, for instance, if that site were gonna be developed, would you | 1914.6956 |
1587 | | 1915.4825 | think there is a ca- there should be a cap | 1917.4082 |
1588 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1917.8652 | [Well, the building] that's right on the same block, both of the build- all the buildings that are on the same block at least | 1922.1306 |
1589 | LES_int_01 | 1917.8652 | [on how high it goes?] | 1918.8910 |
1590 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1922.3777 | they're over fifteen stories. | 1923.7813 |
1591 | LES_int_01 | 1923.7813 | Yeah. | 1924.1450 |
1593 | | 1924.2942 | Like [all the bars and clubs. Yeah] and [yeah and The Extension.] | 1927.2831 |
1594 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1924.4518 | [The Seward Park Extension,] | 1926.1127 |
1596 | | 1926.6350 | [Yeah, they're over-] they're over fifty, so, I wouldn't. | 1928.8627 |
1597 | | 1929.1704 | I wouldn't- I would say that | 1930.5833 |
1599 | | 1930.9004 | it doesn't make | 1931.4692 |
1601 | | 1931.9309 | sense that they're | 1932.9147 |
1603 | | 1933.8741 | above | 1934.3591 |
1605 | | 1934.9280 | the highest build- you know, [highest floor.] | 1936.8118 |
1606 | LES_int_01 | 1936.1356 | [Right.] | 1936.5072 |
1607 | | 1936.9703 | But [something] like that would be okay with [you.] | 1938.9241 |
1608 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1937.1195 | [It could.] | 1937.3667 |
1610 | | 1938.7329 | [If it's] housing. | 1939.4416 |
1611 | LES_int_01 | 1939.7016 | Yeah. | 1940.0327 |
1612 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1940.0886 | Not if it's a hotel. | 1940.9466 |
1613 | LES_int_01 | 1941.1844 | Yeah. | 1941.5574 |
1614 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1941.7207 | We don't need that. | 1942.3781 |
1615 | LES_int_01 | 1942.5413 | [Yeah.] | 1942.9097 |
1616 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1942.6392 | [We don't] need hotels. We need housing. | 1944.2899 |
1617 | LES_int_01 | 1944.2899 | [Yes.] | 1944.8414 |
1618 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1944.5604 | [So, if] it's housing, | 1945.4743 |
1619 | | 1945.9581 | yes. | 1946.4710 |
1621 | | 1947.2870 | Or housing for people who actually need it, | 1949.2454 |
1622 | LES_int_01 | 1949.4646 | Yeah. | 1949.8003 |
1623 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1949.8003 | yes. | 1950.3179 |
1624 | LES_int_01 | 1950.3179 | And you'd be willing to go a- | 1951.7389 |
1626 | | 1951.9254 | higher, if it meant more | 1953.5775 |
1627 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1953.7460 | Yeah. | 1954.0398 |
1628 | LES_int_01 | 1954.3175 | affordable [housing.] | 1955.8842 |
1629 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1955.2055 | [But, at the same] time, it might- | 1956.5510 |
1630 | | 1957.2551 | it might perpetuate the whole | 1958.6109 |
1632 | | 1958.8394 | project mentality, or whatever the case may be. So, it just depends on how high you go. | 1962.9334 |
1633 | LES_int_01 | 1963.1712 | [Yeah.] | 1963.4825 |
1634 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1963.2773 | [Like,] maybe in my opinion, maybe no higher than ten flights. | 1966.2522 |
1635 | LES_int_01 | 1966.3548 | Yeah. | 1966.7372 |
1636 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1966.9050 | You know what I mean, cause ten, that- that- that'll | 1968.8075 |
1638 | | 1969.0546 | do enough people, [but it's] not gonna be like | 1971.1285 |
1639 | LES_int_01 | 1970.0607 | [Yeah.] | 1970.3591 |
1640 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1972.0284 | You could see that building above all the buildings in the whole skyline, [like you shouldn't] <laugh> see. | 1975.9721 |
1641 | LES_int_01 | 1974.8036 | [Yeah.] | 1975.2699 |
1642 | | 1975.9721 | Some of 'em just stick out. | 1977.5015 |
1643 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1977.5015 | Yeah. | 1977.9864 |
1644 | | 1978.1170 | Like [that odd] | 1978.9890 |
1645 | LES_int_01 | 1978.3072 | [And it's] | 1978.9890 |
1646 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1979.1522 | blue [building.] | 1979.7956 |
1647 | LES_int_01 | 1979.5998 | [The] blue [building. Everyone talks about the blue building.] | 1981.7710 |
1648 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1980.3365 | [Doesn't even- doesn't even look] like it's sturdy, like I wouldn't wanna live there, [cause I would think it] | 1984.3504 |
1649 | LES_int_01 | 1983.6369 | [<laugh>] | 1984.3524 |
1650 | | 1984.8353 | It's about [to tip over (laughing).] | 1986.6900 |
1651 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1985.2258 | [gonna lean over or something.] Like, lean back. For real, [like, I'm good.] | 1988.5458 |
1652 | LES_int_01 | 1987.8884 | [<laugh>] | 1988.5458 |
1653 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1989.0972 | But no, housing, definitely. But if it's for [anything, any] type of commercial business, anything like that, | 1993.8070 |
1654 | LES_int_01 | 1991.1904 | [Yeah.] | 1991.6294 |
1655 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 1994.2182 | I don't think it's necessary. Like if they decide to put a movie theater there or something like that, like we don't need another. | 1998.5294 |
1657 | | 1998.8499 | What you tryna blind us from what's really going on? Like | 2001.6055 |
1659 | | 2001.8733 | give me what I need. Don't give me what you think I want. | 2003.9894 |
1660 | LES_int_01 | 2004.1782 | Yeah. [Yeah.] | 2005.0608 |
1661 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2004.6919 | [And don't] give me what you think I need. | 2006.0573 |
1662 | | 2006.2109 | Give me what I need. | 2007.2367 |
1663 | LES_int_01 | 2007.2367 | Yeah. | 2007.5923 |
1664 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2007.8865 | So, housing. Definitely. | 2009.0894 |
1665 | LES_int_01 | 2009.2914 | Okay. | 2009.6031 |
1667 | | 2010.0202 | So, you already mentioned this. Um. That the | 2012.3207 |
1669 | | 2012.4085 | in the history of the Lower East Side, | 2013.8206 |
1671 | | 2013.9655 | it's really been a place where a lot of people move to start | 2017.8421 |
1673 | | 2018.1495 | over. | 2018.5534 |
1675 | | 2018.8592 | Start fresh, start a new life. | 2020.2245 |
1677 | | 2020.5626 | And I'm wondering if you still think it's a place where people can do that. | 2023.3153 |
1678 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2032.3211 | Hm. | 2032.6855 |
1680 | | 2034.2221 | Yes and no. | 2034.9333 |
1682 | | 2036.2329 | Cause I would think that a lot of the people who are moving in now, | 2038.6416 |
1684 | | 2039.3924 | I think, I guess they think they're starting over, it's- th- they're starting over for them. | 2042.7465 |
1685 | LES_int_01 | 2043.0710 | Yeah. | 2043.3788 |
1686 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2043.4161 | You know what I mean. | 2044.0021 |
1688 | | 2044.3841 | But, if you're already coming from affluent families, if you already have money, you really | 2048.1641 |
1690 | | 2048.4363 | are just looking for different locations, where's hot. You know. | 2050.8948 |
1691 | LES_int_01 | 2051.0485 | Right. | 2051.3558 |
1692 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2051.5314 | It's not like | 2051.8783 |
1694 | | 2052.8617 | you just came off a boat | 2053.8890 |
1696 | | 2054.3280 | and <laugh> you left all your family behind, and you need to send them money. | 2057.7904 |
1697 | LES_int_01 | 2057.7904 | Right. | 2058.2339 |
1698 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2058.3656 | You know, it's not the same type of situation. | 2060.3401 |
1699 | LES_int_01 | 2060.5069 | [Yeah.] | 2060.7484 |
1700 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2060.5947 | [So,] I wouldn't say- if- I would say, if you're coming form a higher income bracket, | 2064.1845 |
1701 | | 2064.6586 | this isn't a starting over place for you. | 2066.4455 |
1702 | LES_int_01 | 2066.7396 | [Yeah.] | 2067.0586 |
1703 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2066.9284 | [This] is a starting over place for people who need to start over. | 2070.2942 |
1704 | LES_int_01 | 2070.2942 | Right. | 2070.6718 |
1705 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2070.8781 | Who need a clean slate. | 2072.1162 |
1707 | | 2072.3796 | Who need that second chance. | 2073.7942 |
1708 | LES_int_01 | 2073.7942 | Yeah. | 2074.1605 |
1709 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2074.1605 | You don't, if you don't need a second chance, then, you know, you're [just here] because | 2077.6684 |
1710 | LES_int_01 | 2076.8065 | [Yeah.] | 2077.2186 |
1711 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2078.2303 | the boutiques. | 2078.9108 |
1712 | LES_int_01 | 2078.9108 | And the people who do need the second chance [are-] | 2081.4557 |
1713 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2080.9081 | [Don't get it.] | 2081.4381 |
1714 | LES_int_01 | 2081.7674 | they're not- | 2082.2328 |
1715 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2082.4786 | They get shipped out to where I live in | 2083.9933 |
1717 | | 2084.1381 | East New York or Staton Island, [or] | 2086.2001 |
1718 | LES_int_01 | 2085.8488 | [Yeah.] | 2086.2001 |
1719 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2086.6391 | any other other | 2087.4469 |
1721 | | 2087.6137 | developments that they're building up now, the low income, | 2089.9186 |
1722 | LES_int_01 | 2090.2391 | [Yeah.] | 2090.5903 |
1723 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2090.3138 | [by Bloomberg] you know. | 2091.3630 |
1724 | | 2091.5386 | Or, if you notice, a lot of them in the Bronx and in East New York, Brooklyn. | 2094.9176 |
1725 | LES_int_01 | 2095.0713 | Yeah. | 2095.4620 |
1726 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2095.5059 | Then, you know, they're never here. And if they, when they are down here or something like that, | 2099.2230 |
1728 | | 2099.6576 | It's like I said before, it's four units for low income | 2102.3928 |
1729 | LES_int_01 | 2103.0425 | Right. | 2103.3630 |
1730 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2103.6528 | available, nine units i- a- available. | 2106.3337 |
1732 | | 2106.6542 | You know, [so.] | 2107.4840 |
1733 | LES_int_01 | 2107.0625 | [Right.] | 2107.4840 |
1734 | | 2108.1820 | Do you think it's important for | 2109.3132 |
1736 | | 2109.5152 | uh, | 2110.0552 |
1738 | | 2110.5162 | people who move into the neighborhood or even the East, like you were just talking about some of your youth. | 2115.1260 |
1739 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2115.1523 | Mm-hm. | 2115.5869 |
1740 | LES_int_01 | 2115.8796 | Do you think it's important for people to know something about the, like the rich history of this neighborhood? | 2121.2361 |
1742 | | 2121.8591 | And does it affect kind of how they relate to their | 2124.2995 |
1744 | | 2124.4786 | community? | 2125.1372 |
1746 | | 2125.8791 | [Cause it] really is such a, you know, the | 2128.9320 |
1747 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2126.0503 | [Definitely.] | 2126.6562 |
1748 | LES_int_01 | 2129.2393 | kind of the [birthplace of activism.] | 2131.3188 |
1749 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2129.6081 | [My kids, my participants don't] know. [My participants] don't know. And I try to do my best to let them know, to educate them. | 2135.1427 |
1750 | LES_int_01 | 2131.7622 | [Yeah.] | 2132.0520 |
1751 | | 2135.2174 | Yeah. | 2135.5203 |
1752 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2135.5944 | Because once you get | 2136.3661 |
1754 | | 2136.7129 | you get a sense of pride. | 2137.7183 |
1756 | | 2137.9115 | Like, really? That happened here? You [know?] | 2140.0715 |
1757 | LES_int_01 | 2139.7263 | [Yeah.] | 2140.0715 |
1758 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2140.1900 | [It's like] it just | 2140.8398 |
1759 | LES_int_01 | 2140.1900 | [Yeah.] | 2140.5282 |
1760 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2141.1208 | connects you | 2141.7471 |
1761 | LES_int_01 | 2142.6427 | [Right.] | 2143.0534 |
1762 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2142.6722 | [to your] community even more, [you're m- you're] even more indebted because it's like wow. | 2146.8486 |
1763 | LES_int_01 | 2144.3637 | [Right.] | 2144.8585 |
1764 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2147.0066 | All of this history came form | 2148.1563 |
1766 | | 2148.9237 | this- this project? | 2150.1661 |
1767 | LES_int_01 | 2150.2232 | [Yeah.] | 2150.5525 |
1768 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2150.3900 | [Really?] Like that used to happen here? | 2152.3218 |
1769 | LES_int_01 | 2152.5457 | Yeah. | 2152.9232 |
1770 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2153.8568 | And I think that | 2154.6427 |
1772 | | 2155.9247 | if you don't know where you come from, | 2157.4349 |
1774 | | 2159.2218 | [You know,] you don't know where you're going. | 2160.7106 |
1775 | LES_int_01 | 2159.2218 | [Right.] | 2159.7491 |
1776 | | 2160.7106 | Yeah, [totally. Totally] | 2162.2282 |
1777 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2161.5974 | [You know, so] it's like | 2162.8970 |
1778 | | 2163.1764 | and you could take that with you, well, I'm from the I- I'm | 2165.1433 |
1780 | | 2165.4198 | proud when I say I'm from the Lower East [Side.] | 2167.2023 |
1781 | LES_int_01 | 2167.1365 | [Yeah.] | 2167.5272 |
1782 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2167.6150 | When I was in high school, nobody even knew where the Lower East Side was. | 2170.2476 |
1784 | | 2170.7437 | You know how you say, ohh yeah, I live in the Lower East Side. | 2172.2084 |
1786 | | 2172.4472 | Where's that? | 2173.0874 |
1788 | | 2173.2366 | That's what I used to get. I- and then I used to have to sing the song, Delancey [Street (singing).] | 2176.9263 |
1789 | LES_int_01 | 2176.4302 | [<laugh>] | 2177.5541 |
1790 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2177.2468 | [But I-] you know. | 2178.0151 |
1791 | | 2178.5507 | Slick Rick or whoever it was, but I can't [remember.] | 2180.8805 |
1792 | LES_int_01 | 2180.4283 | [<laugh>] | 2181.5609 |
1793 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2181.1614 | [So people knew] where I was talking about. Now everybody knows what Delancey Street is. Now, everybody knows what Ou- Orchard Street is. [Now people google] stores that are on | 2188.6232 |
1794 | LES_int_01 | 2186.6260 | [Yeah.] | 2187.0900 |
1795 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2188.9130 | Stanton and, you know what I [mean, now it's like,] oh you live in the Lower East Side? | 2192.3286 |
1796 | LES_int_01 | 2190.2828 | [I know.] | 2190.9237 |
1797 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2192.6667 | Then, when I take them to the projects, they're like, oh, you live on the Lower East Side. | 2195.5540 |
1798 | LES_int_01 | 2195.5540 | [<laugh>] | 2196.9896 |
1799 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2196.3311 | [Like, no, I don't live] over here. My grandmother lives over here. You [know, so] it's like that whole | 2199.6967 |
1800 | LES_int_01 | 2198.4367 | [Yeah.] | 2198.8055 |
1801 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2201.1543 | It's like that whole thing of | 2202.3792 |
1803 | | 2202.8446 | Now, the name is so hyped up that everybody wants to be out here. | 2205.7538 |
1804 | LES_int_01 | 2205.8284 | Yeah. | 2206.2236 |
1805 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2206.6319 | [Like] why- why is it so hyped up? | 2208.3880 |
1806 | LES_int_01 | 2206.6319 | [Yeah.] | 2206.8514 |
1807 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2208.6470 | Is it because of the people who are moving in now? Or is it j- | 2211.2587 |
1809 | | 2211.3729 | or- or should it be hyped up because of the people who've been here? | 2214.1070 |
1810 | LES_int_01 | 2214.1992 | Yeah. | 2214.5811 |
1811 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2215.0494 | The- the- the rich | 2216.2216 |
1813 | | 2216.5728 | the rich histories that we have here. Like if you interview | 2219.3255 |
1815 | | 2219.7645 | any of the elderly people you see walking down the street, [they're gonna] give you a whole nother side of it. | 2224.0160 |
1816 | LES_int_01 | 2222.0157 | [Right.] | 2222.3569 |
1817 | | 2224.1608 | Completely. | 2224.7326 |
1818 | LES_se0_ag2_f_02 | 2224.7930 | You know, like my grandma, when she told me, oh, don't eat that, don't | 2227.8437 |
1820 | | 2228.4891 | I mean, that's [serious.] | 2229.5246 |