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1	LES_int_01	0.2743	Um, okay. Well so we can get started officially. [So,] um, <ts>	4.2065
2	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2.9988	[Okay.]	3.4211
3	LES_int_01	4.3650	I'm /RD-NAME-4/ and I'm talking to /RD-NAME-3/, tell me your last name again?	8.4229
4	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	8.4229	My name is /RD-NAME-4/.	9.5905
5	LES_int_01	9.5905	/RD-NAME-1/.	9.9533
6	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	10.1561	Yes.	10.6597
7	LES_int_01	10.6877	Hi /RD-NAME-3/.	11.5737
8	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	11.6444	How you [doing?]	12.3290
9	LES_int_01	11.9747	[Um,] I'm good.	13.4187
10		14.2408	So I normally ask people just sort of start at the beginning of their lives. So could you tell me when and where you were born?	20.5185
11	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	20.7531	<ts> Kay. I was born November eleventh, nineteen eighty-four	24.3808
13		24.8704	at /RD-ADDRESS-5/ in Brooklyn, New York.	26.9158
14	LES_int_01	27.1956	[Okay.]	27.6411
15	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	27.5763	[Um,] so I'm originally a Brooklynite.	29.2922
16		29.7728	I lived in Brooklyn up until I was	32.5209
18		33.2075	three or four years old, then I moved to this apartment on [/RD-ADDRESS-/, now I'm in the s-]	37.3915
19	LES_int_01	36.9532	[This]	37.6106
20		37.8515	[same apartment?]	38.6861
21	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	37.9727	[Yeah, same] exact I- I been living here for going on twenty-one, twenty-two years now.	42.2253
22	LES_int_01	42.3092	That's [amazing.]	43.0573
23	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	42.9541	[Yeah,]	43.2852
24		43.5696	so.	43.9566
25	LES_int_01	44.0499	Um, can you tell me a little bit about your family and their history? Like, how did they end up in Brooklyn and then here?	49.3406
26	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	49.4059	Okay. <ts> Well my grandmother was from down south	51.7964
27	LES_int_01	51.8197	<ts> Okay.	52.1461
28	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	52.1554	and, you know, she wound up moving, I believe	54.7697
30		54.8909	South Carolina and the migrated up to B-	56.5556
32		56.9706	and up to New York, Brooklyn.	58.2683
33	LES_int_01	58.4361	[Mm-hm.]	58.7873
34	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	58.4493	[She,] you know, got married, had,	60.5039
35		61.0334	you know, my m-	61.6738
37		61.9846	my mother and my other aunts and uncles.	64.7927
39		65.2221	And so our- our family was, um, you know, that's where our family,	68.8062
41		69.3378	you know, was	70.2051
43		70.4569	was breeded at, I guess. And w- that's where we	72.4556
45		72.8986	where- you know, that's where we established ourselves, /?/.	74.9866
46	LES_int_01	74.6269	[Where] in Brooklyn was [this?]	75.9652
47	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	75.5422	[<ts> Um, well- well they-]	76.9195
48	LES_int_01	76.4235	[/inaudible/]	76.7922
49	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	77.5146	they moved around B- different parts of Brooklyn, [but w-]	80.1316
50	LES_int_01	79.5710	[Uh-huh.]	80.0107
51	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	80.2984	you know,	80.6901
53		80.8160	since then I was born, we	82.2629
55		82.7338	lived in Bedford-Stuyvesant.	83.9788
57		84.1187	[And now] we're s- that's where the heard of our family's at, at the Bedford-Stuyvesant, [Brooklyn.]	87.5164
58	LES_int_01	84.1187	[Uh-huh.]	84.5077
60		87.0874	[Do you- and you] still have family that [live there?]	88.7240
61	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	88.2717	[Yep,]	88.5943
62		88.7639	definitely.	89.4642
63	LES_int_01	89.7420	So why did, um,	91.4719
65		91.6304	you guys decided to move [here?]	93.3277
66	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	93.1505	[<ts>]	93.3650
67		93.5702	Well, it was a- it was a pretty bad neighborhood, um, at the time. And, [you know, my mother-]	98.6852
68	LES_int_01	97.8552	[Nineteen eighty-four,] yeah.	99.3940
69	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	99.4266	yep.	99.7933
71		100.4875	<ts> And my mother wanted to-	102.3689
73		102.7123	my mother and my eldest brother,	104.1858
75		104.5775	they, um, they wanted to,	106.1504
77		106.6958	you know, move. I was- I was a kid.	108.4103
79		108.9414	Um, I was like one or two years old. My sister was a- , you know,	111.7318
81		111.9150	six months old.	112.9222
82	LES_int_01	112.9968	Oh, [wow.]	113.7662
83	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	113.5004	[And] it was like, you know, we wanted to kind of g- get a change of scenery, a better-	116.9416
84		117.3241	a better neighborhood [and]	118.6543
85	LES_int_01	118.2440	[Yeah.]	118.6097
86	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	119.0758	this /action-/	119.9366
88		120.0656	Lower East Side used to be, you know, b- was kind of like a abandoned area. They had	124.1782
90		124.5653	whole bunch of abandoned buildings [and squatters] and it was a, you know, huge drug problem.	128.5178
91	LES_int_01	125.9112	[Right.]	126.3262
92	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	128.8969	But then NYCHA, they actually, you know,	130.8320
94		131.1724	made this development Lower East Side too.	133.0469
96		133.5225	[Um, and it] opened up in nineteen eighty-eight.	135.7821
97	LES_int_01	133.7074	[Yeah.]	134.1317
98	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	136.5144	<ts> And so,	137.1050
100		137.5247	you know, we were one of the first families that moved into this [development.]	140.5339
101	LES_int_01	140.3534	[Oh,] you [were?]	141.1228
102	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	141.0235	[Yes] we were.	141.5984
103		141.9059	And so, um,	142.7842
104	LES_int_01	142.7982	I love these style- the- these NYCHA buildings, because they're so [small.]	147.6336
105	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	147.4554	[mm-hm.]	147.8714
106		148.0593	[Mm-hm.]	148.5412
107	LES_int_01	148.0593	[So it f-]	148.5023
108		148.6842	It doesn't feel like a big- you know, living in like a big, huge tower.	152.2746
109	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	151.6404	[Yeah,] yeah.	152.7269
110	LES_int_01	153.1620	It just seems like it must be [nice.]	154.9105
111	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	154.7800	[And] everybody pretty much here knows each other for the most [part. I mean-]	157.8249
112	LES_int_01	157.2886	[Right.]	157.6617
113	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	158.2399	I mean, the great thing is we have a dead end block which has a school there, so it's like, you know,	162.3120
115		163.0627	y- it's only- pretty much one way you come in and one way you can come out, which makes,	167.3913
117		167.7970	you know, um,	168.5337
119		168.9254	I mean, which makes the community pretty much more- that much more closer, cause we've-	172.3477
120	LES_int_01	172.3477	Cause you don't have	172.9586
122		173.1404	people just [wandering through.] If someone turns [down here, they probably] live here.	177.0573
123	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	173.9098	[Exactly.]	174.6891
125		175.5418	[Exactly.]	176.3019
127		177.0526	<ts> Exactly.	177.7614
128	LES_int_01	177.7614	Or know someone [here, yeah.]	178.8440
129	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	178.2913	[Yeah.]	178.6783
130	LES_int_01	179.1166	I actually have a friend who lives right across the street.	181.0827
131	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	181.0827	<ts> Okay.	181.6376
132	LES_int_01	181.7402	[Yeah.]	182.1988
133	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	182.0573	[Okay.]	182.4723
134	LES_int_01	182.4940	So I've- I've been- I- it's- I've been down this block,	184.8721
136		185.1192	believe it [or not.]	185.7487
137	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	185.5249	[Is a-] well do you-	186.6330
138	LES_int_01	186.6330	But it's very [quiet.]	187.6068
139	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	187.3651	[yes] it is. Yes it is.	188.8199
140	LES_int_01	188.9722	It's [great.]	189.4897
141	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	189.3125	[So] I mean, I- I- I had so many great times growing up here, man. Um,	192.8391
142	LES_int_01	193.0854	You did?	193.5266
143	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	193.5479	Yeah. I w- I was actually talking to one of my- one of my good friends,	197.1336
145		197.7133	um, well actually a childhood friend who,	199.4712
147		199.6530	you know, a couple weeks ago.	201.5555
149		201.9938	And he just, you know, we was talking about like, just	203.9868
151		204.1426	we used to play kickball in the backyard, and	207.0358
153		207.4788	you know, play all	208.7586
155		208.9973	m- different- make up games, and you know, play all different types of	212.7259
157		213.3368	you know, espionage, you know, manhunt games we used to have [over there.] And it was like, wow.	217.4555
158	LES_int_01	216.0473	[Yeah.]	216.5882
159		217.6887	What are some of the other games that you [remember playing?]	219.6548
160	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	219.0952	[Uh, we played,] um,	220.5128
161		220.6573	I was very competitive so	221.8995
163		222.3546	any type of sport. We played basketball or whatever, then we-	225.2144
165		225.5693	we would play a game called, um,	227.2738
167		227.4136	manhunt,	228.0174
169		228.4535	where-	228.9834
170	LES_int_01	229.0207	[Yeah.]	229.4590
171	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	229.3984	[you] played man- [did you play manhunt?]	230.6966
172	LES_int_01	229.9160	[I- I think so.] But tell me- maybe the rules are different, [tell me.]	232.5489
173	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	231.9894	[So manhunt,] what we would do, we used to, um,	234.4793
174		234.8990	you either do a team,	235.9309
176		236.1641	two teams, [or you could] do it every man for themself.	238.3990
177	LES_int_01	236.6879	[Yeah.]	237.0470
178	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	238.7613	And [one person] would, um,	240.5986
179	LES_int_01	239.0597	[Oh.]	239.6193
180	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	240.9202	you know, w- one person would	242.3718
182		242.6702	be the person that's it. And you have to like,	244.5773
184		244.9271	you'll give like two- a minute or- a minute or so to just	247.8910
186		248.4553	go hide anywhere you want,	250.1819
188		250.4757	you know, on the block.	251.2544
189	LES_int_01	251.4456	So it was a block [thing?]	252.6569
190	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	252.3502	[Yeah,] the whole block. [The whole] block thing.	254.3692
191	LES_int_01	253.3714	[Okay.]	253.6935
192		254.6910	[So where-] what- where would you hide? Would you go like, inside someone's [apartment?]	258.0030
193	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	254.7516	And-	255.1726
195		257.7839	[<ts>] see that was- that was a restriction, you couldn't [hide in the] buildings, um, you couldn't [hide in the apartments.]	262.1607
196	LES_int_01	259.6381	[Okay.]	260.0547
198		261.2235	[No building.]	261.8577
199	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	262.4855	So you pretty much had to find, you know, different areas around	265.4558
201		265.9407	the, um, the block to hide [at.]	267.6767
202	LES_int_01	267.4482	[Like,] under a [car or?]	269.6211
203	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	268.7259	[Um, well] I would, you know, you'd be surprised- probably have-	271.7706
204		271.9773	but we have a big [backyard back there.]	273.7679
205	LES_int_01	273.1337	[You have the backyards, right. Okay.]	274.6725
206	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	274.1860	[And we don't have-] we have a back on our other side too, as well.	276.9666
207		277.2824	So we'll hide there, we'll hide in the school yard,	279.5873
209		279.9616	you know. We'll just find different places to hide at.	282.6667
210	LES_int_01	282.7530	[Okay.]	283.1333
211	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	283.0608	[And,] you know, if you got caught	284.7534
212		285.0938	the f- oh no, if you got caught then you would have to join,	287.6241
214		288.0858	um,	288.6547
216		288.8519	that- that person after they find everybody else	291.2207
218		291.6030	on, um, everybody else was hiding.	293.3749
220		293.7106	And-	294.1402
221	LES_int_01	294.3042	So if you got caught, you had to join the-	296.8526
222	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	297.0414	<ts> [yeah.]	297.5683
223	LES_int_01	297.1066	[the team] of the [finders?]	299.0697
224	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	298.4402	[<ts> Oh then-] exactly.	299.7878
225		300.2835	[But if it w-] but if it was a team though, that's the thing, if it was individual then I would have to-	304.2889
226	LES_int_01	300.3628	[/Got it./]	300.8990
227	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	304.5394	say if you're the o- one that was it.	305.8804
228	LES_int_01	305.9084	[Yeah.]	306.2534
229	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	306.2208	[And,] um,	307.1082
230		307.2419	we had a group of people. If you caught me,	309.1228
232		309.5641	um, I would have to help you find everybody else.	311.8610
233	LES_int_01	312.3539	And I'd slowly try to find [everybody else? Okay.]	315.1190
234	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	314.0419	[Exactly.]	315.0185
235		315.3708	And if it was a team though,	316.7167
237		317.0898	um, you would catch me and I would just be out for the rest- you know, there was like a-	320.8637
239		321.2241	a prisoner's thing, where I would have to stay [there]	323.7015
240	LES_int_01	323.3705	[<laugh> You had to go to prison?]	325.3196
241	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	324.1224	[and, you know, until-] exactly.	326.1541
242		326.4480	But	326.9806
244		327.1881	the catch is, on certain occasions	329.2891
246		329.6948	if, um,	330.6460
248		331.0190	if one person from	332.3899
250		332.6338	like, say if I'm on the opposing team then I'm, you know,	335.2272
252		335.5711	one of my teammates got caught,	337.2175
254		337.7770	um,	338.3738
256		339.0856	I can, you know if I can sneak-	340.9741
258		341.5540	sneak to the base where, you know, where my-	343.4236
260		343.6287	my- my teammates is at	344.9483
262		345.3726	and tag <clap> them before,	346.9777
264		347.1662	you know, the other team is able to notice me	348.9440
266		349.2909	then they'll be set free,	350.3214
267	LES_int_01	351.0395	[Oh.]	352.3714
268	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	351.1048	[so.]	351.5834
269	LES_int_01	352.5999	So did they have- so one of the teams to leave, like, [guards?]	356.9115
270	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	356.7483	[Yes.]	357.4291
271		357.7242	[Exactly.]	358.7154
272	LES_int_01	358.4143	[This is complicated.]	359.6034
273	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	359.2910	[Yeah.]	359.9063
274	LES_int_01	360.0650	That sounds fun.	360.8064
275	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	360.8064	This is like, you know, espionage [one-on-one.]	363.2320
276	LES_int_01	362.9854	[<laugh>] So you have	364.6920
277		365.4288	backyards on both sides? [Y- you had] access to [both?]	368.2451
278	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	366.6271	[Yes.]	367.0756
280		368.1845	[<ts>] Um,	368.8760
281		369.3423	not- a- well-	370.0138
282	LES_int_01	370.5547	Like how did you get-	371.4762
283	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	371.9769	<ts> well it's pretty much the same front door key.	374.3671
285		374.6378	The one- [<grumbles> we have a same front door key to get in, so.]	377.7015
286	LES_int_01	375.0278	[Oh, okay. That's nice.]	377.4479
287	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	378.1053	Um, but then i- if not, you knew friends from, you know, people from the other side so y- you know, you could always get in, [or-]	383.3991
288	LES_int_01	383.1660	[Use] it.	383.7069
289	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	383.7651	you'll climb the gate. You can do something to get to the other [side of the backyard,]	386.6102
290	LES_int_01	385.7989	[Right, right.]	386.7734
291	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	387.4573	so.	387.9748
292	LES_int_01	387.9982	I've seen the- the backyard. There's another, uh,	390.7729
294		391.9304	uh, NYCHA,	393.0728
296		393.3992	um, <ts> where is it?	395.1711
298		395.4835	On Sixth Street, [between like], C and D [or something] that- it- same layout, [small buildings. I saw the backyards] are so [nice.]	403.0838
299	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	396.5108	[Mm-hm.]	396.8791
301		397.8164	[Mm-hm.]	398.2454
303		399.5417	[Yeah, e- exactly. It's right up the block.]	401.4908
305		402.6875	[Yeah, and] they backyard is like,	404.2076
306		405.1229	two times as big as [ours.]	406.6990
307	LES_int_01	406.3120	[Oh, really?]	407.2072
308	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	407.0067	[Yeah.]	407.4684
309	LES_int_01	407.5057	I couldn't believe it. [I was like,] oh my [God. I didn't even know] that this [existed.]	412.1063
310	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	408.2564	[Yeah.]	408.7367
312		409.3149	[Yeah, it's a huge backyard.]	410.7681
314		411.4349	[Huge.] And they have a basketball court back there as well.	414.3069
315	LES_int_01	414.6833	They [do? Wow.]	415.9127
316	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	415.1060	[Yeah. Mm-hm.]	416.0101
317	LES_int_01	416.1551	And you mentioned you played basketball, where [did you] play?	418.1352
318	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	417.5337	[Yeah.]	417.8240
319		418.2472	<ts> Um,	418.8175
321		418.9559	well I didn't- I played-	420.0144
323		420.5087	played in a park on- Tompkins Square Park over there,	422.6830
324	LES_int_01	422.7576	Oh you did?	423.2649
325	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	423.2565	did over there. Um, I would play, um,	425.9890
326		426.2515	<ts> the crazy thing when we were young,	427.7390
328		428.4104	you know, after a certain time when-	429.6601
330		430.1357	you know, when-	430.6988
332		430.9610	when it's- got dark, you know m- you- you know, our parents would never let us go off the block.	434.6461
334		435.0285	So we used to have the garbage can there	436.8004
336		437.1408	and we used to play basketball in the garbage can.	439.2421
337	LES_int_01	439.2537	[Oh.]	440.3388
338	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	439.8357	[And then at-] at one point we had, um,	441.9947
339		442.3350	<ts> a basketball court	443.5148
341		443.9810	at the end of the block, you know, we would- had a- have a portable one, so we used to play all hours of the night.	448.4169
343		448.8179	Until the neighbors start complaining, we had to take it away	451.0498
344	LES_int_01	451.0498	[<laugh>] That's too [bad.]	452.5839
345	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	451.1990	[but.]	451.5430
347		452.1782	[You know,] growing up in this area there was always, you know,	454.9883
348		455.4639	different- different, you know,	456.9794
350		457.4377	m- you know, recreation-	458.1139
352		458.3923	parks and recreations that you can go to, so.	460.4272
353	LES_int_01	460.5246	Yeah. So it sounds like you played	462.3299
355		462.6336	on the [block.]	463.7891
356	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	463.6968	[Mm-hm.]	464.0511
357	LES_int_01	464.0884	And this is actually a nice block [because it's] not	466.5439
358	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	465.5433	[<ts> Yeah.]	465.9627
359	LES_int_01	466.9748	a through [street.]	467.8323
360	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	467.7036	[Mm-hm.]	468.1041
361	LES_int_01	468.0487	[So] you probably could play actually on,	469.5827
362		470.0957	like [out on] the street [and] things like [that.]	471.7930
363	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	470.2495	[<ts>]	470.4267
365		470.8091	[Yeah.]	471.0863
367		471.6298	[Well] yeah, for the most part. I mean, there's,	473.6688
368		474.1741	um, we still got a a lot of traffic coming in, you know, um,	476.8723
370		477.0961	a lot of people didn't know it was a dead end block, or-	479.0746
371	LES_int_01	479.0979	[Oh.]	479.8020
372	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	479.5222	[or whatever] the case is. So it's,	480.7952
373		481.1589	[I mean, for the] most part it still wasn't- it wasn't as bad as some of the main streets.	484.7228
374	LES_int_01	481.1589	[Right.]	481.5909
375		484.9342	[Yeah.]	485.3306
376	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	485.1394	[In regards] to the through traffic that they [got.]	486.7884
377	LES_int_01	486.6159	[But] then you would also play at- in other places. Like go to the park, go to [Tompkins Square /other/ things like that?]	491.2311
378	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	490.1114	[Mm-hm. Go to-] yep.	491.4590
379		492.3387	And then- then- [when you-]	493.1920
380	LES_int_01	492.8826	[That's cool.]	493.5261
381	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	493.4394	[when] you're in school you have, um, you know, you meet f-	495.6536
382		496.1933	you- y- you make friendships with people from different parts of the neighborhood, so.	499.9313
383	LES_int_01	500.1504	[Right.]	500.4770
384	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	500.2903	[I mean,] you will go, you know, sometimes you go to their area and	503.1098
385		503.4921	hang out and play sports or whatever the [case was.]	506.1980
386	LES_int_01	505.7224	[Yeah.]	506.0721
387		506.5384	So you d- um, you mentioned, I think, two siblings?	510.0479
388	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	510.1692	<ts> I have three. [I have-] I have, um,	512.2459
389	LES_int_01	511.0069	[You have three.]	511.3973
390	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	512.7741	two older brothers and I have a younger sister.	514.5770
391	LES_int_01	514.6983	Wow, that's [great. D-] Do they all still live in the neighborhood [or?]	517.8781
392	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	515.2702	[So I'm-]	515.6665
394		517.6529	[Um,] no actually my-	519.1994
395		519.3066	my eldest brother just came back, he just moved back with us.	522.3701
397		522.7742	Um,	523.3524
399		523.4690	my [eldest-]	523.8979
400	LES_int_01	523.5928	[Where was] he before that?	524.7770
401	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	524.9611	He was, um, he was upstate.	526.5898
403		526.9256	[He was upstate,]	527.5830
404	LES_int_01	526.9955	[Oh, okay.]	527.4758
405	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	527.7369	so, um.	528.3664
407		529.0845	<ts> And I have, um, another brother who's married, and he's-	532.2723
409		532.4541	you know, his wife and his daughter lives out in Brooklyn.	534.6907
411		535.2503	[And,] um,	536.1631
412	LES_int_01	535.3855	[Huh.]	535.6326
413	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	536.4081	you know, then there's me and my sister here.	537.8442
414	LES_int_01	537.8442	Cool.	538.2298
416		538.4411	And, um, did you know your father?	539.7762
417	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	539.9146	Yeah, I knew my father. My father actually passed away three years ago to lung [cancer.]	543.7108
418	LES_int_01	543.6026	[Oh,] I'm [sorry.]	544.7297
419	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	544.3474	[so.] Thank you.	545.1074
420		545.2473	Thank you. So, um,	546.1486
422		546.7035	I knew that-	547.2584
424		547.4170	he was actually, um, yeah. He was [my father.]	549.4034
425	LES_int_01	548.8252	[That's- that's] a shame.	550.5318
426	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	550.5458	Yeah.	550.8675
428		551.2373	But it's-	551.8761
430		552.4636	it's something that, um-	553.6946
431	LES_int_01	553.8299	And did he live with you guys before [that?]	555.5457
432	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	555.4013	[yes] he did.	555.9608
433	LES_int_01	556.0695	[Aw.]	556.9779
434	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	556.5357	[Yes he did,] and my mother was married.	558.1165
435	LES_int_01	558.2657	[Oh.]	559.2869
436	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	558.7273	[so.]	559.1749
437		559.7748	It's, um,	560.3810
439		560.9499	but, you know, it- it's- it's something that I- I've made peace with it, you know, a while ago, [so.]	565.5086
440	LES_int_01	565.4130	[Yeah.]	566.1474
441	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	566.1940	Yeah.	566.5064
442	LES_int_01	566.7550	Sorry to hear [that.]	567.5150
443	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	567.4078	[Thank] you.	568.0186
444	LES_int_01	568.5269	Um, and- and so as you were growing up, I'm just curious, what your parents, you know, did for a [living.] Were they both working?	574.3149
445	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	573.0047	[<clears throat>]	573.3588
446		574.3429	<ts> Yes. My mother used to actually work in the World Trade Center.	577.3682
447	LES_int_01	577.5671	Oh, [wow.]	578.4407
448	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	577.9147	[She- yeah.] She worked in the World Trade Center in the, um,	580.5336
449		581.1132	in the l-	581.5236
451		581.6821	in the eighties and early nineties. And I want- I used to be sick,	584.5218
453		584.8715	used to be very sick.	585.9097
455		586.1289	And so she had to quit her job	587.7678
457		587.9099	for us to go on welfare.	589.2017
459		589.6058	[Um, so she] would be able to take care of me. [And my father-]	592.1088
460	LES_int_01	589.6711	[Oh no.]	590.2446
462		591.4742	[/inaudible/]	591.7381
463		592.3676	Can I ask what you were-	593.4448
464	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	593.6025	I had asthma. I had asthma and I had immune deficiency,	596.3591
466		596.7508	um, <ts> and- [what else?]	598.9500
467	LES_int_01	598.4651	[When you- when] you were like, a little kid?	600.0469
468	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	600.0414	Yeah. When [I was like- yeah.]	601.6474
469	LES_int_01	600.7513	[Oh, I'm sorry.]	602.2715
470	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	602.1222	[Yeah,] it's-	602.7517
471		603.2693	it's all- I'm- I'm- I'm a lot better now, though.	605.3396
472	LES_int_01	605.3396	How does asthma work? Is that like a genetic- [something] that's genetic, [or?]	609.1417
473	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	608.1574	[<ts>]	608.2926
475		608.9175	[Well] it's- it's a-	609.9174
476		610.0625	yeah that's-	610.6008
478		610.8106	my brother- my- my second eldest brother had asthma.	613.4062
479	LES_int_01	613.4062	Huh.	613.8592
480	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	613.8786	And, um, I believe it's- I'm-	615.5838
482		616.7323	I'm not- I'm not specfic- um, I'm not sure in regards to how specific it is when it comes down to	621.9065
483	LES_int_01	621.9065	Or [like, combination or both or something.] Yeah.	624.8984
484	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	622.2965	[can it be passed down. But, you know,]	624.2922
485		624.9031	but, um, <ts> I had it. And my mother actually has asthma now.	628.3178
487		628.8073	And that's something that she developed-	630.2155
489		630.7019	she-	631.1029
491		631.3921	she developed, um, a couple of years ago.	633.7374
492	LES_int_01	634.1617	I wonder if it's too, like, if you're exposed to something? [Like,]	637.1159
493	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	636.9579	[<ts>]	637.1538
494		637.5127	[Possibly. I-]	638.2635
495	LES_int_01	637.9604	[I don't know,] asbestos or in a school or something like [that?]	641.2939
496	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	641.0922	[I-] you know what, I don't think-	642.3508
497		642.4878	cause I- when I got it, I was about three or four [years old and I wasn't really exposed] to,	646.8383
498	LES_int_01	644.9872	[<ts> Oh.]	646.1395
499	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	647.2487	um, well at least from my knowledge, [that I wasn't really] exposed [to-]	650.7239
500	LES_int_01	649.3204	[Yeah.]	650.0809
502		650.6353	[So] they don't know-	651.5959
503	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	651.7218	um, <ts> I think [it- it] could've been some-	653.7753
504	LES_int_01	652.7490	[/inaudible/.]	653.0727
505	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	653.9288	I'm not even sure.	654.9639
507		655.5235	But, um, one, I wound up having asthma.	657.1089
509		657.2581	[And I had, um,]	658.2464
510	LES_int_01	657.3331	[/Oh./]	658.0619
511	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	658.4968	<ts> an immune deficiency, and a-	660.0449
513		660.4785	and so, um, [me-]	661.5524
514	LES_int_01	661.2027	[So what] was your mom doing in the World Trade [Center?]	663.4997
515	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	663.4082	[<ts>] she used to be a computer operator,	665.0641
516	LES_int_01	665.2578	[Oh. And so then-] then she came home to stay with [you?]	668.4505
517	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	665.7660	[so.]	666.3069
519		668.2840	[Mm-hm.] <ts> And my father was a- a-	670.7521
520		671.2743	a master locksmith,	672.5146
521	LES_int_01	672.9856	[Wow.]	673.4845
522	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	673.2349	[so.]	673.5964
523	LES_int_01	673.7783	In the neighborhood?	674.4358
524	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	674.7636	<ts> Um, no actually in Brooklyn.	676.2743
525	LES_int_01	676.4096	Oh, [okay.]	676.9878
526	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	676.8945	[In] Brooklyn.	677.5722
527		678.0462	So, [um, yeah that's what they did and-]	679.8025
528	LES_int_01	678.2078	[Oh. S- well] that must've been hard, playing all these games if you had asthma.	683.2188
529	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	683.2638	Well that's- that's the thing, it- it was i-	685.4595
531		685.6186	it was pretty difficult at times, but you know,	687.5863
533		688.1193	I, you know, I always wanted- always wanted to feel like I was	690.9031
535		691.1409	at- just like everybody else. [You know,] and sometimes of course my medical conditions	695.2130
536	LES_int_01	692.7137	[Yeah.]	693.0494
537	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	695.5580	limited me from- from being able to enjoy	698.0963
539		698.5283	some of the activities a lot of, you know-	700.3263
541		700.5970	[you know, a lot] of my friends	701.8552
542	LES_int_01	700.6763	[Yeah.]	701.0289
543	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	702.3237	and you know, were able to do. And-	704.1749
544	LES_int_01	704.7991	But were you able to, you know, [you had your-]	706.9819
545	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	706.3291	[<clears throat>]	706.6648
546	LES_int_01	707.3503	your medication and things like that. You were still able to run [around and play and things like that.]	711.8188
547	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	710.0795	[<ts> Yeah. I- I- that was- I] was definitely an- that was a necessity, always had that.	714.2605
548		714.6382	You know, I have my pump with me, [you know, everywhere] I went because	717.3550
549	LES_int_01	716.0121	[Yeah.]	716.3909
550	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	717.7654	it was, um, I mean there was no telling when I was able to catch a asthma attack. And then-	721.5857
552		721.9960	and I used to be in and out of the hospital a lot, so	724.3228
553	LES_int_01	724.4428	[Wow.]	724.9507
554	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	724.5870	[it was something] that I definitely had to-	726.2749
555	LES_int_01	726.5188	I'm so sorry.	727.3768
556	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	727.3815	yeah.	727.7196
557	LES_int_01	727.7498	How often did it happen that you would have an asthma [attack?]	730.1046
558	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	729.8295	[<ts>] Um, it would-	731.4149
559	LES_int_01	731.8003	Like everyday?	732.6209
560	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	732.8727	Not every- not necessarily every day, [but] um,	735.3674
561	LES_int_01	734.6990	[Oh.]	734.9414
562	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	735.7481	<ts> it would- it would definitely be-	737.3895
564		738.1929	it was real consistent enough where I missed a lot of school.	741.2517
565	LES_int_01	741.6761	[You did?]	742.1594
566	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	741.8206	[And,] yeah I missed a lot of school. And actually the doctors so-	744.3136
567		744.8126	once told my mother that I wouldn't-	746.2609
569		746.6777	I wouldn't live to see past the age of twelve.	749.3183
571		749.8919	Yeah.	750.3675
573		750.7638	[Mm-hm.]	751.2395
574	LES_int_01	750.8881	[Oh my gosh.]	752.2637
575	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	751.9093	[Yep.]	752.2450
576		753.2942	<ts> Yep.	753.6329
578		753.8101	But, um-	754.4588
579	LES_int_01	754.6168	And look at you [now.]	755.8910
580	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	755.4598	[I'm] gonna be twenty-five in November,	757.5994
581	LES_int_01	757.6181	[Yeah.]	758.5833
582	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	757.8652	[so.]	758.3455
583	LES_int_01	758.7775	Well [that's terrific.]	759.8189
584	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	758.9267	[It's definitely a blessing,] yes.	760.5870
585	LES_int_01	760.6707	What- I mean,	761.4587
587		762.3027	why would they say that?	763.2507
589		763.3766	[A- n-] asthma's not normally a- like a m- um, [disease where you would pass] away, right?	767.7231
590	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	763.5164	[<ts>]	763.6330
592		766.3561	[Y- yeah.]	767.1582
593		767.8127	<ts> Well it's not- it wasn't just necessarily the a-	770.0972
595		770.3700	asthma was a, uh, a major part of it, but it was the f- simple fact that, you know,	774.0747
597		774.3752	immune deficiency you have a- a very, very low, um,	777.3354
599		777.7302	immune system, where I wasn't able to fight off	780.4859
600	LES_int_01	780.6212	[So you would get sick?]	781.7496
601	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	780.7377	[a lot of-]	781.3206
603		781.6283	[yeah.]	781.9883
604		782.2299	And so the asthma would be the gateway. Where, you know,	784.9637
606		785.2388	I'll get the respiratory, you know,	786.7543
608		787.5050	respiratory- my respiratory- my breathing would be heavy and I'll, you know, I'll get sick from that.	791.2600
610		791.6237	But then I'll be exposed to so many other different types of,	794.1642
612		794.6157	um, germs and all that because my	796.5958
614		796.7450	immune system was having a hard time fighting off just the asthma. So	799.7696
616		800.1364	I was always, um, acceptable of getting,	802.5611
618		803.0134	you know-	803.6382
620		803.8541	you know, catching a cold or [some type of pneumonia. And a lot of the- and] a lot of the times I would, you know, have asthma.	809.3004
621	LES_int_01	804.9499	[Just]	805.6959
623		806.1949	[anything.]	806.9725
624	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	809.6314	My asthma will bother me, then I'll wind up catching pneumonia or some other sickness and	813.6354
626		814.1017	evolve with that, [so.]	815.1537
627	LES_int_01	814.9611	[Oh, man.]	816.3675
628	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	816.1343	[<ts> Yeah.]	816.7125
629	LES_int_01	817.1660	Wow.	818.0135
631		818.6243	Um,	819.5599
633		820.0402	<ts> I'm sorry to hear that.	821.2549
634	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	821.2976	It's- you [know what-]	822.1698
635	LES_int_01	821.8012	[It sounds] like you d- d- d- still did [okay.]	823.8295
636	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	823.2420	[a- I-] I still- you know, in this, um,	825.4723
637		825.5889	I mean everybody has their-	827.1416
639		827.7338	everybody-	828.5684
641		828.8063	everybody has that- their course that they have to go through.	831.5623
642	LES_int_01	831.6567	[Yeah.]	831.9878
643	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	831.6660	[You know, and] that's just- it's a part of-	833.1255
644		833.5358	that's just w- what my life was at the [time and]	836.0585
645	LES_int_01	835.6528	[Yeah.]	836.2565
646	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	836.4828	I'm definitely	837.3564
648		837.7059	a lot more, um,	838.6884
650		838.9182	of course I'm a lot more stronger now.	840.6015
652		840.9606	I'm a lot more appreciative of- of just	842.8381
654		842.9920	some of the simplest things, [cause]	844.4359
655	LES_int_01	844.1095	[I'm sure.]	844.8648
656	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	844.8648	I mean, nobody thinks,	845.9746
657		846.1565	you know, no seven year old- eight year old, you know, thinks about	848.6308
659		849.0598	have them not- you know-	850.0188
661		850.1726	you know, them dying or not being able to be- you know, grow up and everything like [that. And I-]	853.9496
662	LES_int_01	853.4817	[Yeah.]	854.2821
663	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	854.3122	and I was- you know I was- at certain times that was a reality to me, so.	857.6767
665		858.0993	And be able to come from that and to be where I am now	860.5007
667		860.6313	is, [you know.]	861.5452
668	LES_int_01	861.2048	[That's heavy.]	861.9443
669	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	862.0955	Yeah.	862.4118
670	LES_int_01	863.1227	[Yeah.]	863.6310
671	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	863.3139	[So.]	863.7102
672	LES_int_01	864.0180	But it sounds like you dealt with it really [positively.]	866.2639
673	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	865.6577	[Yeah.]	866.0447
675		866.1566	[Well] I- I grew- and the great thing is that I grew up in the church as well.	869.6958
676		870.0562	Um, and I had uh, you know, all of my church fam-	872.4017
678		872.6208	s- family always pray for me and my mother and my parents.	875.3927
680		875.8070	You know, they always pray so you know I- I always had that type of support, so even-	879.6492
682		880.0222	even though, like, you know,	881.3558
684		881.7802	<ts> physically, you know, I was- I was ill, mentally and spiritually I always had to	885.7683
686		886.1554	keep my spirits up.	887.2325
687	LES_int_01	887.7375	That's [great.]	888.4394
688	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	888.3064	[Yeah.]	888.6188
689	LES_int_01	889.4488	Um,	890.1342
691		890.2974	what else do you remember about	891.6497
693		891.8206	the block or the neighborhood at the time that you were growing up? [W- what] like- what was it [like?]	896.0326
694	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	894.6244	[Mm-hm.]	895.0440
696		895.5476	[<ts>	895.6922
697		896.1445	Uh,	896.5968
699		896.9045	growing- it was just so- it was so different. [Like, um,]	900.0287
700	LES_int_01	899.3013	[Yeah. What do you remember] about it?	900.7887
701	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	900.8062	I just r- summertimes were like	902.5963
703		903.4123	amazing cause you had a whole bunch of,	905.3162
705		905.8151	um,	906.4522
707		906.7011	first you had a whole bunch of mom-and-pop stores here.	908.8787
709		909.2951	You know, where it was a lot of, you know,	910.9038
711		911.4027	y- you know,	912.0398
713		912.4168	people from the community that were doing well, you [know, that]	915.1189
714	LES_int_01	914.7304	[Yeah.]	915.1245
715	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	915.4811	had their own businesses running.	917.2204
717		917.5887	And	918.1700
719		919.3543	you know, it was just something that I was-	920.9318
721		921.6452	as a kid like, y- you know,	923.1850
723		923.8555	<ts>	923.9907
725		924.3590	as a kid it wasn't like, oh wow I wanna be a business owner, but you know,	927.2018
727		927.4640	just to see somebody who-	928.7887
729		928.9471	who- you know, who looks like you or	930.6724
731		930.9801	see like, one of your friend's, you know, parents, [or you know,]	933.7732
732	LES_int_01	933.1950	[Right.]	933.6380
733	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	934.1463	relatives running a- you know, running a business. It's like, oh wow. Like,	937.1179
735		937.6122	I can't believe you doing it, you [know.]	939.2173
736	LES_int_01	939.0794	[Yeah.]	939.7135
737	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	939.7135	And, [um-]	940.3290
738	LES_int_01	940.0260	[W-] what were the stores? Like, [what-]	941.7093
739	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	941.3968	[<ts> Um,]	942.0636
740		942.2625	<ts>	942.3651
742		942.6262	Well I remember	943.4767
744		943.6754	we used to have a candy store. You know, I- every kid loves a candy- [we used to have a candy store] like,	947.9653
745	LES_int_01	946.5631	[That's right.]	947.4631
746	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	948.3723	right-	948.7220
748		948.9645	right on Fourth Street- right next to the Fourth Street and Avenue C.	952.7771
750		953.1346	Right next to the grocery store that we have [now.]	955.0417
751	LES_int_01	954.7433	[Y-]	954.9073
752		955.0697	yeah.	955.5631
753	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	955.6586	And,	956.1898
755		956.6751	you [know-]	957.2891
756	LES_int_01	956.8616	[Just to-] just candy.	958.2885
757	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	958.3164	just- just candy.	959.6221
758	LES_int_01	959.6454	That's awesome. [<laugh>]	961.2261
759	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	960.3961	[<ts> And, um,]	961.2587
760		961.5164	you know, I used to have a field day there.	964.3890
761	LES_int_01	964.7293	[Yeah.]	965.4101
762	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	964.9625	[And, um,] me and y-	966.3987
763		966.6132	just that and then we used to- there used to be a game- there used to be like, different game rooms.	970.7179
765		971.1889	[And-]	971.6505
766	LES_int_01	971.5759	[Huh.]	971.9037
767		972.0156	Like video [games?]	972.8109
768	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	972.5705	[<ts> video] games.	973.6336
769	LES_int_01	973.6336	That's [cool.]	974.3144
770	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	974.1093	[So] we used to have one- there used to be on Third Street, then there was another one that was down,	977.5505
771		977.8473	I believe on Eighth Street	978.9431
773		979.0503	and Avenue	980.2114
775		980.3839	C.	980.8599
777		981.2946	Eighth or Ninth Street or whatever.	982.5722
779		982.9126	And, you know, we would sm-	984.2369
781		984.5166	sometime- you know, when I was old enough or	986.5357
783		986.8681	you know, when my m-	987.4324
785		987.5816	my mother used to l- you know, make my brother take me somewhere, we would go down to the game room and,	991.8108
787		992.2226	you know, just	992.6422
789		992.8241	play video games. And- and it was just like- it was just-	995.7197
791		996.4285	it was something that you would see like, um,	998.4769
793		998.9665	<ts> I always felt like I was in kind of like some type of sitcom where like, wow.	1002.6456
794	LES_int_01	1002.7542	[Yeah.]	1003.2531
795	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1003.1412	[Like,] you know, cause this is-	1004.0458
796	LES_int_01	1004.4282	Yeah.	1004.8012
797	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1004.8339	this is, um, and it's- plus it was completely different from what,	1007.8694
799		1008.3031	you know, life was like, you know, in Brooklyn because even though I- I- I moved there from a early age, I-	1013.2126
801		1013.5549	you know, I still have family there so I was always there, [so.]	1015.9640
802	LES_int_01	1015.7728	[You'd] go back to [visit.]	1017.0472
803	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1016.6354	[N-]	1016.7520
805		1016.9152	[<ts> exactly.] And- and the community, um,	1018.9916
806		1019.7190	<ts> I guess, um,	1020.7276
808		1021.3697	the community was different. Not- n- not simply b- just because the people,	1024.7797
810		1025.2227	um, you know, the people were different, but	1027.1452
812		1027.6520	there was, um, a different level of success- like, you know,	1030.5864
814		1030.9175	people were prosper- uh, um,	1032.3909
816		1032.7360	being prosperous over there. Because not only that they had	1034.9361
818		1035.3736	their, um, you know, they had their families, they had their homes,	1038.6950
820		1038.9794	had they children in school, they had their own business where, you know,	1041.8311
822		1042.2915	where it just let you know like, wow. Like, this is, you know, this is my community that I'm living in.	1046.6746
823	LES_int_01	1046.8719	[Yeah.]	1047.2309
824	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1047.1796	[And,] um,	1048.0889
825	LES_int_01	1048.1495	And it was different in [Bed-Stuy?]	1049.4400
826	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1049.2716	[<ts> It] was-	1049.7612
827		1049.8918	it was different in Bed-Stuy because you didn't have,	1051.7989
829		1052.2559	um,	1052.7304
831		1053.5009	I mean, the neighborhood where my grand-	1054.9184
833		1055.0597	you know, where my family was at,	1056.4026
834	LES_int_01	1056.4166	Yeah.	1056.7756
835	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1056.7954	you know, you- you definitely didn't have a lot of, you know, black-owned businesses.	1060.5561
837		1060.9224	And it's not-	1061.4912
839		1061.6078	not for the simple fact that they couldn't do it.	1063.9299
841		1064.3449	Well it was the s- simple fact that, um,	1066.2054
843		1066.8069	it just wasn't, you know,	1068.0207
845		1068.2881	it just wasn't in- in their mentality to do it.	1070.6909
847		1071.1852	[You know, so,] um.	1072.3043
848	LES_int_01	1071.2178	[Yeah.]	1071.6517
849		1073.3021	So here there were- oh, so you mentioned the people were different, so like, what was the, you know-	1077.5761
851		1078.2929	I don't know,	1078.8058
853		1078.9037	ethnic, [racial make] up	1080.6413
854	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1079.8999	[<ts> Well,]	1080.3476
855	LES_int_01	1080.8885	when you were growing up?	1081.6889
856	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1081.6889	<ts> growing up,]	1082.3076
857	LES_int_01	1082.0759	[I'm sure] it's different now.	1083.1530
858	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1083.1810	yeah. Well growing up here was, um,	1084.9275
860		1085.1674	of course there was a lot of, um,	1086.4854
862		1087.2034	<ts>	1087.3387
864		1087.7723	you know, hm-	1088.1827
866		1088.4111	it was a- a very heavy, um, Hispanic [population here.]	1091.6513
867	LES_int_01	1091.1194	[Right.]	1091.5134
868	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1092.0822	And so y- you know, another aspect, especially summertimes,	1095.0863
870		1095.5265	you know, you'll always hear,	1097.0979
872		1097.6605	<ts> you know-	1098.1408
874		1098.4236	you know, some salsa, merengue playing	1100.3540
876		1100.7581	down the streets. I know, um,	1102.0590
878		1102.4693	<ts>	1102.5999
880		1102.7398	we would have-	1103.1781
882		1103.3366	sometimes we'd have like, different street festivals and	1105.8017
884		1106.2214	it'll be people that	1107.1866
886		1107.3515	be right outside, in- you know, in front of the building just	1109.9245
888		1110.3448	playing it- playing the bongos. Got, you know, just everybody just playing just free music and	1114.3719
890		1114.8102	people walking [by] and, you know,	1116.9861
891	LES_int_01	1115.5313	[/?/]	1115.6619
892	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1117.5504	kids playing in the park, you know, play- you know.	1119.7153
894		1119.8646	We would have, you know, block parties and kids is riding their bikes.	1122.8628
895	LES_int_01	1123.0400	[Yeah.]	1123.4690
896	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1123.2638	[And,] you know,	1124.0192
897		1124.5242	it was just like, um, euphoria, you know what I'm saying. Like a- as a kid [just, you know,]	1128.3851
898	LES_int_01	1127.8022	[Really happy.]	1128.6831
899	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1128.7115	everybody is, you know,	1129.8348
901		1130.2936	everybody's just out enjoying themselves	1132.4432
903		1132.7323	and, you know.	1133.3665
905		1134.0286	<ts> There used to- when it used to be real hot, when we used to really have heat waves,	1136.9664
906	LES_int_01	1137.2211	[Yeah.]	1137.5645
907	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1137.2847	[We turn on] the johnny pump	1138.6136
908		1138.9494	and then if you look-	1139.7591
910		1139.8990	the crazy thing is if you'll look, um,	1141.7828
912		1142.4729	<ts> if you're going down, um,	1144.1346
914		1144.2758	different streets	1145.2923
916		1145.7493	on like Avenue C, if you look down the different blocks, you'll see different, um,	1149.3831
918		1149.8261	you know, just a johnny pump on and	1151.8311
920		1152.3781	it'll be like, you know,	1153.5449
922		1153.9635	you just see the water up in the air. Up like, ten, fifteen feet up in the air, just people	1158.2890
923	LES_int_01	1158.5268	[/like kids are just/]	1159.4408
924	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1158.6807	[getting wet, and] it's just-	1159.8324
925	LES_int_01	1160.0127	[Playing.]	1160.7325
926	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1160.0546	[<clap>]	1160.2505
928		1160.5489	[enjoying] themselves.	1161.7548
929	LES_int_01	1161.9632	That's [great.]	1162.8491
930	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1162.7279	[So] it was, um-	1163.8097
931	LES_int_01	1164.5138	And what about, like, the black or African American [community here?] Was it-	1168.6964
932	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1167.3442	[<ts> Yeah, it-]	1167.9736
933		1168.9636	<ts> it was definitely there, I mean the [m-]	1170.4044
934	LES_int_01	1170.2272	[like] who were your friends? Were they, you know, were [they a mix, or?]	1173.1882
935	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1172.2369	[<ts> I had a mix. It was] a mix. You know, and that- and that was a great thing that I loved about	1175.9470
936		1176.3727	living in this area, [it was like,] you know,	1178.0747
937	LES_int_01	1177.2867	[Yeah.]	1177.6037
938	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1178.8394	um,	1179.3793
940		1180.4155	I mean, I was	1181.3324
942		1181.4956	s- I moved here so	1182.6240
944		1182.8152	early on, like /it was/.	1183.8877
946		1184.3866	There was, um,	1185.3502
948		1185.8429	not to say that there wasn't, um,	1187.1065
950		1187.2137	I- I knew who I was, I knew I was African American [b- you know,] I knew	1189.9928
951	LES_int_01	1189.3027	[Yeah.]	1189.6249
952	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1190.3612	it's- you know, you have	1191.0621
954		1191.1879	your Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Mexicans, w- whatever the case was. But,	1194.2048
955	LES_int_01	1194.2561	Yeah.	1194.6198
956	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1194.6292	you know,	1195.0395
958		1195.5398	growing up being exposed, you know, to just different- living with different type of people,	1199.8297
960		1200.2121	you know, race wasn't that m-	1201.3032
962		1201.4337	the race was	1202.1719
964		1202.3398	never really a issue like that.	1203.8875
966		1204.3588	In regards to- at least with me, you [know, in regards to] just being able to	1208.3579
967	LES_int_01	1206.3249	[To everyone else.]	1207.1116
968	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1208.8009	you know, or I'm not gonna- I'm not gonna kick it with him cause he's,	1211.8675
970		1212.2265	you know, he's- you know,	1213.3424
972		1213.5522	so natio- such and such nationality. It was never like that.	1216.6717
973	LES_int_01	1216.7509	That's [cool.]	1217.3198
974	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1217.2399	[And,] you know,	1217.9213
975		1218.3627	and it- it did a lot for, you know,	1220.0133
977		1220.6368	for everybody. You know, especially for me because, um,	1223.1342
979		1223.6378	know, as I, you know, got older, you know, went away to school and all that, you know,	1227.2499
981		1227.6976	just being exposed to people from different cultures and nationalities.	1231.3843
982	LES_int_01	1231.6035	[Right.]	1231.8816
983	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1231.7557	[You know,] it- it- it made me learn more about, you know,	1234.6281
984		1234.9249	[The- m-] made me wanna learn more about the rest of the world and learn about those cultures. And	1239.0872
985	LES_int_01	1234.9249	[Right.]	1235.2702
986	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1239.4556	[you know,] and being able to- it made me learn m- more about myself and	1242.6527
987	LES_int_01	1239.4556	[Yeah.]	1239.8083
988	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1243.1297	you know, what type of- you know,	1244.6638
990		1245.3259	<ts> what type of school I wanted to go to in regard for colleges, cause	1248.2869
992		1248.6599	we had historically black colleges, but I knew that,	1250.9851
994		1251.3735	um,	1251.9284
996		1252.2035	<ts> growing up in this area,	1253.6583
997	LES_int_01	1253.8682	[Mm-hm.]	1254.3345
998	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1254.0733	[um,]	1254.5163
999		1254.7168	I knew that going into a historically black college, that wasn't-	1257.8051
1001		1258.2947	that wasn't my reality. First that wasn't the world's reality, you know, you were gonna have to work with different types of people.	1263.4222
1002	LES_int_01	1263.7673	[Mm-hm.]	1264.5460
1003	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1263.7999	[So, you know,]	1264.6019
1004		1264.9671	[growing- you know, I wanted to go to- exactly.]	1267.7928
1005	LES_int_01	1265.3308	[You wanted to go to a more diverse place.]	1267.5177
1006	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1268.2264	Exactly, so.	1269.3222
1007	LES_int_01	1269.4791	Yeah, that is- that would make sense.	1270.8920
1008	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1270.8920	Mm-hm.	1271.2277
1009	LES_int_01	1271.2277	Now did that,	1271.9365
1011		1272.1043	um,	1272.8084
1013		1273.0570	so it sounds like you sort of felt like there was a lot of tolerance in the neighborhood, that there weren't-	1277.3935
1015		1277.9740	I don't know, tensions based on-	1279.9222
1016	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1280.2766	Race?	1280.7848
1017	LES_int_01	1280.8501	yeah.	1281.3257
1018	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1281.3490	Um,	1281.9411
1020		1282.1417	<ts>	1282.2443
1022		1282.3422	I- I- I didn't- I didn't see that much.	1284.4545
1024		1284.6051	Um,	1284.9828
1025	LES_int_01	1284.9828	At least not for [you. Yeah.]	1286.1532
1026	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1285.7848	[not for] me, you know. A- and- but at the same time, um,	1288.6246
1027		1289.9222	you know, at the same time growing-	1291.6149
1029		1293.2096	growing up, when I really began to be conscious of,	1296.4767
1031		1297.0782	you know,	1297.6797
1033		1298.2966	be conscious of, you know, my sh- my community or whatever, you know.	1301.0291
1035		1301.2669	It m-	1301.5793
1037		1301.7285	at that time it- it was- things were beginning to change. You know, that's when we,	1305.0469
1039		1305.4152	you know, gentrification was kind of like the big thing and, you know, um-	1308.4818
1040	LES_int_01	1308.5158	Cause it's [starting.]	1309.3831
1041	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1309.1826	[yeah.] And- and not only that, people were just beginning to move out, you know, um,	1313.0948
1042		1313.7087	move out and, you know, new people came in and, you know. It's like,	1316.8608
1043	LES_int_01	1317.1483	[Yeah.]	1317.7917
1044	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1317.3861	[you know, so] it was kind of like, you know, wow	1319.2279
1045		1319.3445	I- I knew there was something different, you know, it was something different that was going on in regards to	1323.3980
1047		1323.8176	um, something different that was going on in general, but I didn't know how much it was	1327.0214
1049		1327.4328	impacting the rest of the community,	1329.1021
1050	LES_int_01	1329.3314	[Right.]	1329.8524
1051	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1329.5993	[you know.] And, um,	1330.4963
1052		1330.6859	and not necessarily to say that it was a bad thing,	1332.6396
1053	LES_int_01	1332.8075	[Yeah.]	1333.2588
1054	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1332.9691	[but by the] time I became fully aware of uh what was going on,	1336.3357
1055		1336.7397	you know,	1337.1827
1057		1337.3645	the community had already changed.	1338.9313
1059		1339.0712	And,	1339.5095
1061		1339.8233	you know, m- but, you know, and a- at [the same time I came] with the same approach that you know,	1343.7401
1062	LES_int_01	1341.5113	[/Yeah, yeah./]	1342.2527
1063	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1344.1878	change- change is constant.	1345.7513
1065		1345.8678	And, you know, it happens,	1347.0009
1067		1347.3227	so.	1347.6826
1068	LES_int_01	1347.9102	So you just have to kind of roll with [it.]	1349.7457
1069	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1349.3774	[<ts> <sigh>] E- I mean-	1350.5944
1070		1351.3078	<ts> yeah. And I think-	1352.2917
1072		1352.5814	I think the major thing, um,	1354.4473
1074		1354.6755	in regards to the whole issue of /genf-/ gentrification,	1357.2311
1075	LES_int_01	1357.5069	[Yeah.]	1357.8305
1076	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1357.7114	[um,] a lot of people feel different ways about it. [You know, differently] about it.	1360.6987
1077	LES_int_01	1359.5702	[Yeah.]	1360.0390
1078	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1361.0391	I think that there's not a problem, um,	1363.0798
1080		1363.7060	I think that you- you-	1364.5563
1082		1364.6962	you can't expect, you know, one neighborhood to be	1367.0090
1084		1367.5063	the same way it is all the time. That's, you know, that's-	1369.9473
1086		1370.4686	that's not, um,	1371.3974
1088		1371.7416	I mean, i- it's not gonna happen, nine [out of ten] times.	1374.0544
1089	LES_int_01	1373.1498	[Right.]	1373.5170
1090	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1374.4678	Uh, but I do think that there-	1376.4029
1092		1377.4007	<ts> when,	1377.9725
1094		1378.4466	you know,	1378.9362
1096		1379.4025	gentrification is that much of a big issue here, I think it's important to	1382.8111
1098		1383.2695	be able to, you know, to talk about it.	1385.3911
1099	LES_int_01	1385.6802	[Mm-hm.]	1386.0113
1100	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1385.7268	[And not] just talking about it amongst-	1387.3319
1101		1387.4941	amongst yourselves, but talking about it	1389.0608
1103		1389.4462	you know, with the people who are, you know,	1391.2787
1105		1391.4450	who are coming into the community [Like, yo.]	1393.0257
1106	LES_int_01	1392.6573	[Sure.]	1393.2029
1107	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1393.4360	Because, you know, they don't-	1394.6950
1109		1395.0540	you know, they don't see it as, oh you're the /shr-/, you know,	1397.4056
1111		1397.7553	you're coming in here and trying to change it. They don't look at it from that perspective.	1400.7332
1112	LES_int_01	1400.7503	Yeah.	1401.1419
1113	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1401.1746	You know, they look at it as from,	1402.5692
1115		1402.7227	you know,	1403.2216
1117		1403.3662	aye, I moved into this great area, you know, um,	1406.3581
1119		1406.8011	I have a new opportunity at life, you know, uh, [of starting] n- starting anew,	1410.9261
1120	LES_int_01	1409.1775	[Right.]	1409.5879
1121	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1411.4171	and, um, I wanna make the most out of it.	1413.1844
1122	LES_int_01	1413.2403	And they might not [realize]	1414.7248
1123	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1414.6236	[Exactly, so.]	1415.7800
1124	LES_int_01	1415.2904	[what-]	1415.5515
1125		1415.8453	what their presence is	1417.2768
1127		1417.4959	kind of- [how it affects other] people [around them. Yeah,] I think that is a-	1421.2013
1128	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1418.0026	[<ts> Exactly.]	1419.1170
1130		1419.4807	[Exactly.]	1420.2221
1131		1421.5478	[Exactly.]	1422.2146
1132	LES_int_01	1421.5478	[that's a really good] point.	1422.5363
1133	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1422.7275	So, I mean, with that, like I- I never was- I was never angry about it.	1426.8728
1135		1427.4370	Um,	1427.9886
1137		1428.1285	I- I thought that there coulda been more done in regards to,	1431.2573
1139		1431.7546	um,	1432.3515
1141		1432.7105	whether- whether it was to relieve the tension or	1435.0233
1142	LES_int_01	1435.2922	[Yeah.]	1435.6709
1143	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1435.5999	[whether] it was to makes sure that, um,	1437.5591
1144		1438.4660	<ts>	1438.6105
1146		1438.7411	people were	1439.6263
1148		1439.8508	given the fair treatment to be able to stay	1441.6041
1150		1441.9335	in their homes, especially if they've lived there	1444.3769
1152		1444.7840	for, you know, X amount of- I was always against	1446.9476
1153	LES_int_01	1447.2320	[Yeah.]	1447.6978
1154	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1447.3626	[you know,] raising- you know, raising the rent to kick people who-	1450.5410
1155		1451.1505	kick people out who-	1452.1574
1157		1452.5398	w- we're the ones that, you know-	1454.0133
1159		1454.5308	you know, we made this community what it [was.]	1456.4907
1160	LES_int_01	1456.3461	[Yeah.]	1456.9243
1161	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1456.6306	[You know,] and to just	1457.4792
1162		1457.8289	completely disregard them as if they were nothing, you know, as if they were nobody,	1461.5996
1164		1462.0192	so that you can, you know,	1463.3528
1166		1463.6993	[be able to bring in somebody] who's able to	1465.9981
1167	LES_int_01	1463.8439	[Bring in somebody.]	1465.1075
1168	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1466.3758	pay the, you know,	1467.0706
1170		1467.6255	pay the amount of rent that you want them to pay.	1469.4720
1171	LES_int_01	1469.5076	Yeah.	1470.0344
1172	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1470.0625	You know, so I was always against that.	1471.6013
1173	LES_int_01	1471.6526	Yeah, [that's really] frustrating.	1473.1884
1174	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1472.3254	[And it-]	1472.6425
1175		1473.2487	and- and- and that for- that's when you blame-	1475.0555
1177		1475.4030	that's when kind of blame or criticize the landlords, cause they're the one who,	1479.0384
1179		1479.4797	you know, you are in control [of doing this.]	1481.2983
1180	LES_int_01	1480.5522	[The real estate, /??/,]	1482.0723
1181	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1481.4988	[Exactly.]	1482.2821
1182	LES_int_01	1482.5043	industry or [whatever it is. Yeah,] yeah.	1485.0176
1183	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1483.4136	[<ts> Exactly.]	1484.3275
1184	LES_int_01	1486.5438	Um, let me ask you real quick just about, uh, your schooling history. So did you go to schools in the [neighborhood?]	1492.8651
1185	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1492.4501	[<ts> Mm-hm.]	1493.0842
1186		1493.3531	<ts> I went [to-]	1494.2064
1187	LES_int_01	1494.1364	[What's] your, like-	1494.7528
1188	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1495.3099	sure. [I went to-] alight.	1497.0771
1189	LES_int_01	1495.6689	[I wanna hear it.]	1496.3823
1190	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1497.3382	I- I began at,	1498.3111
1192		1498.4809	um,	1498.9733
1194		1499.0852	I went to /RD-SCHOOL-6/,	1500.4667
1195	LES_int_01	1500.8998	[Okay.]	1501.3001
1196	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1501.0187	[um,] for	1502.1704
1197		1502.4502	I think it was pre-K.	1504.0216
1199		1504.6961	Pre-K- I went to- I went when I- when I was- I remember that was the first school I ever went to.	1508.6859
1200	LES_int_01	1508.7029	Okay.	1509.1557
1201	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1509.2018	And, um, I was nervous. It was- /RD-SCHOOL-6/ is right on, um,	1513.0767
1203		1513.8258	<ts> /RD-ADDRESS-2/	1514.7817
1205		1515.1671	towards /RD-ADDRESS-4/.	1516.2419
1207		1516.7665	[Um-]	1517.2467
1208	LES_int_01	1516.8970	[So it's close.]	1517.7830
1209	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1517.7270	[yep.]	1518.1327
1210		1518.4838	[<ts> I-]	1518.8755
1211	LES_int_01	1518.4838	[But you were] nervous. [<laugh>]	1520.4049
1212	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1519.4770	[yeah, a little nervous.] I remember like, the first days of [school and]	1522.9229
1213	LES_int_01	1523.1767	[Yeah.]	1523.7839
1214	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1523.2943	[I remember learning] my ABC's. And I was like, you know,	1525.8915
1215		1526.2676	what is m- m- you know, why is my mother leaving me here with these people I don't even [know.]	1530.2947
1216	LES_int_01	1530.0056	[<laugh>]	1531.1247
1217	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1530.8589	[You know,] I remember doing that [and-]	1532.6805
1218	LES_int_01	1532.3774	[It's scary.]	1533.2587
1219	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1532.9649	[yeah.]	1533.5012
1220		1533.7996	<ts> And then I went to- I attended the-	1535.2407
1222		1535.4270	/RD-SCHOOL-5/.	1536.3836
1224		1536.8988	for- um, which is right [here. Mm-hm.]	1538.7933
1225	LES_int_01	1538.0146	[Yeah?]	1538.2585
1227		1538.5229	[Oh,] yeah, yeah.	1539.4089
1228	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1539.5204	/RD-SCHOOL-5/, first grade to sixth grade.	1541.3042
1230		1541.8429	And, [um,]	1542.6246
1231	LES_int_01	1542.5547	[Cool.]	1543.0210
1232	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1542.9555	[after] that I went to /RD-SCHOOL-8/.	1545.4831
1233		1545.9243	[Um,]	1546.2694
1234	LES_int_01	1545.9243	[Oh, yeah.] Where is that?	1546.9502
1235	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1546.9595	it's on /RD-ADDRESS-7/.	1548.4287
1237		1548.8463	[And that /th-/]	1549.7090
1238	LES_int_01	1548.8463	[Oh, yeah, yeah.]	1549.6064
1239	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1549.8675	b- or- at the time, it began from seventh grade up until twelfth grade, [so.]	1554.0112
1240	LES_int_01	1553.8014	[Is] that the high school that has, um, that great yard?	1557.1601
1241		1557.5378	With the, like, skate [park and-]	1559.9178
1242	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1559.0686	[Yes. Yes. Yes.]	1561.5400
1243	LES_int_01	1560.0966	[yes. I always walk] by there and I'm like, that looks [awesome.]	1563.3550
1244	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1562.8409	[Yeah. Yep,]	1563.7175
1245		1564.0626	<ts> [so.]	1564.4403
1246	LES_int_01	1564.1185	[Was that] there when you were there?	1565.3449
1247	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1565.4598	No it wasn't. A lot of that stuff w- it wasn't there when I was there.	1568.5271
1249		1568.6756	[Uh. But,] um, yeah it's cool. Never [been-]	1571.5790
1250	LES_int_01	1568.6756	[That's too bad.]	1569.3827
1252		1571.2432	[So what] did- a- did you like those- so you went there from seventh through [twelfth?]	1574.6921
1253	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1574.6129	[Mm-hm.]	1575.0419
1254		1575.3601	[Seventh to twelve.]	1576.1780
1255	LES_int_01	1575.3601	[How did you like it?]	1576.1780
1256	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1576.5790	Um, it was actually	1578.0385
1258		1578.3586	it was one of the best schools I've- I've ever gone to.	1580.6201
1259	LES_int_01	1580.6201	[Really?]	1581.1330
1260	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1581.0864	[Yeah.]	1581.5434
1261		1582.0250	And, um,	1583.0276
1263		1583.7270	<ts> you know at first it was, um,	1585.6122
1265		1586.0958	at first it was a challenge because my mother made me go to that school. Um,	1589.5913
1266	LES_int_01	1589.6100	How come?	1590.2021
1267	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1590.2021	because all of my f- I wanted to go to the school where all my friends was going. So [junior high-]	1594.2379
1268	LES_int_01	1593.7334	[Where did they go?]	1594.4285
1269	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1594.6659	Junior High School Fifty-Six,	1596.3120
1271		1596.5994	Junior High School Twenty-Two, all these different, you know, schools that was around the way.	1599.9759
1272	LES_int_01	1600.2006	[Yeah.]	1600.4804
1273	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1600.3964	[And] she was completely against it because she knew of course,	1603.2146
1274		1603.6339	um, if I was going there where rest of my friends were, you know, it was easy- more easily for me to be	1608.4740
1276		1609.0019	influenced to do, um, you know,	1611.5312
1278		1612.0067	kind of do the wrong thing.	1613.1476
1280		1613.5813	[And]	1614.0273
1281	LES_int_01	1613.6449	[Less] school, more-	1615.0112
1282	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1615.0966	Yeah, well and I [was never-]	1616.4846
1283	LES_int_01	1615.9904	[more other stuff.]	1617.0675
1284	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1616.8437	[and I] was never a bad kid, you know. I was never a bad kid but, um,	1620.2693
1285		1620.9065	you know, so.	1621.5997
1287		1621.7365	But she-	1622.3753
1288	LES_int_01	1622.9612	She [still wouldn't.]	1623.9311
1289	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1623.1384	[She was adamant] on me going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and I was like, you know what	1626.4024
1290		1626.9137	okay.	1627.4546
1291	LES_int_01	1627.6458	Because that was	1629.0634
1293		1629.4797	just different? [Or was it-]	1630.6641
1294	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1630.2071	[It was a] different- it was a alternative school.	1632.1702
1295	LES_int_01	1632.2908	Oh it was?	1633.0468
1296	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1633.2800	<ts> And plus, you know, the- the- the one thing	1635.3114
1298		1635.8243	that, um, that was great about it is that my mother,	1638.4992
1300		1639.1380	you know,	1639.8467
1302		1640.4839	my mother actually had a chance to sit down and speak with the principal at the time, who was the founding principal her name was /RD-NAME-3/.	1645.6529
1303	LES_int_01	1645.7714	Uh-huh.	1646.1771
1304	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1646.2620	And, um,	1646.9978
1306		1647.1190	you know, she really spoke to her about this and this,	1649.3402
1308		1649.7349	you know, I'm-	1650.1993
1310		1650.4670	I wanna	1651.0039
1312		1651.4849	take my son to a school where he can get a proper education and	1654.4319
1314		1654.8282	be able to, um, you know,	1656.6684
1316		1656.8130	be exposed to just,	1658.3704
1318		1658.8693	you know,	1659.4179
1320		1660.0101	new things that will be able to, you know, benefit him in the long run. [And-]	1663.7248
1321	LES_int_01	1663.6175	[Yeah.]	1663.9410
1322	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1664.4149	<ts> and	1664.9127
1324		1665.1983	<ts> I wound up going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1666.5363
1326		1667.1712	And, you know, it was-	1668.2940
1328		1668.8667	it was tough at first because	1670.6797
1330		1671.1276	I didn't know-	1671.7488
1332		1671.9928	practically I really didn't know anybody there, so.	1674.0828
1333	LES_int_01	1674.1212	[Yeah.]	1674.8338
1334	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1674.4942	[You know,] just meeting, you know, everybody in elementary school we knew each other	1678.2090
1335		1678.4701	for the most part, from first grade up until sixth grade, and now I'm in this new school where	1682.6634
1337		1683.1560	I practically really don't know anybody at all. And	1685.4549
1339		1685.6167	trying to meet new friends and,	1687.1429
1341		1687.6572	[you know, it was- it was-] it was- it was a tough transition at first. I mean, I never-	1691.2103
1342	LES_int_01	1687.7038	[That's hard.]	1688.5711
1343	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1691.5927	I wound up meeting some good people there and, um,	1693.9225
1345		1694.7152	<ts> you know,	1695.2980
1347		1695.5482	by the time I was in the eighth grade though, I was, um,	1698.0429
1349		1698.4189	I really challenged myself to, you know,	1700.2461
1351		1701.0425	<ts> in my academics	1702.1803
1352	LES_int_01	1702.4973	[Mm-hm.]	1702.8750
1353	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1702.5626	[and, um,] I wound up	1703.6266
1354		1703.9366	you know, I wound up going out to DC our first year.	1706.6798
1356		1707.1010	Um, eighth grade I wound up going to DC for, uh, a program due to	1710.7458
1358		1711.2727	you know, my academics. [And-]	1712.7446
1359	LES_int_01	1712.5907	[Cool.]	1713.2948
1360	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1713.4720	and then the following year in ninth grade I went to Chile for two weeks	1716.6085
1362		1716.9612	[at- the school] took us to Chile. And the great thing is [that-]	1719.8755
1363	LES_int_01	1717.0405	[Cool.]	1717.7586
1365		1719.6506	[That's] neat.	1720.4199
1366	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1720.4246	yeah.	1720.8349
1368		1721.1334	The great thing is at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ they always- they prepared us for,	1724.1563
1370		1724.5559	um, for college. And they p- always prepared us for,	1727.2614
1372		1727.6484	um, the next level.	1729.1202
1374		1729.3953	Is that- is that messing you up? (whispered)	1730.6981
1375	LES_int_01	1730.9868	No, not at [all. Do] we need to get it?	1732.6586
1376	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1731.5417	[Alright.]	1731.9287
1377		1732.7634	Nah, I'm not [gonna-] it's not- no, it's not for me.	1734.7078
1378	LES_int_01	1733.3369	[Oh.]	1733.6591
1379		1734.7078	Oh, okay.	1735.1275
1380	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1735.1974	<cough>	1735.5331
1381	LES_int_01	1735.5331	No, no, it's fine. Don't worry at [all.]	1736.7392
1382	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1736.5247	[<ts>]	1736.6599
1383		1736.9537	But, um, it always prepared us for, um,	1740.0902
1385		1740.4446	just for the next level. And, um,	1742.2351
1386	LES_int_01	1743.0012	So it was- there was like, an expectation that you [would]	1745.8132
1387	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1745.4073	[<ts> Yep, you-] you have [to work-]	1746.7922
1388	LES_int_01	1746.4611	[continue.]	1747.4102
1389	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1748.0449	Exactly. And, you know, at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ that's when I really- I knew I wanted to go to college.	1752.0627
1391		1752.4574	But, um,	1753.2053
1393		1753.5811	b-	1753.9498
1395		1754.6032	a- and /RD-SCHOOL-2/ that's when I really began to,	1756.6151
1397		1757.0627	um, gain my	1758.3667
1399		1758.4973	confidence academically, what I was able to do and what type,	1761.4302
1401		1761.5435	you know, what type of colleges that I know I wanted to go to. And, I mean, ninth grade I was	1765.5676
1403		1765.9857	looking at Yale University and- and Brown, and all these type of [schools.]	1770.1322
1404	LES_int_01	1769.8356	[Yeah.]	1770.2925
1405	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1770.5070	And it was because I was that- I was that sure and confident of myself that,	1774.1844
1407		1774.5621	you know, I was able to, um,	1776.0665
1408	LES_int_01	1776.1349	That's [terrific.]	1776.9463
1409	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1776.5826	[yeah.]	1776.9701
1410		1777.3473	I y- I used to- I think my ninth grade I had a GPA of three point eight.	1780.9471
1412		1781.6122	[And like I always-] I- you know what I-	1783.7182
1413	LES_int_01	1781.6122	[Nice.]	1782.4090
1414	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1783.8768	I- I- I worked hard and, you know,	1785.8865
1415	LES_int_01	1785.8865	[Yeah.]	1786.6169
1416	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1786.4957	[and-] and the great is that, um, the reason I was able to work that hard is because of the teachers and the administration that were there.	1791.4691
1417		1791.8144	They always encouraged you, they always took that extra time to,	1794.2499
1419		1794.7255	you know, working with different project with you-	1796.9527
1421		1797.0600	projects with you that you were dealing with, or.	1799.1023
1422	LES_int_01	1799.3292	[Yeah.]	1799.8141
1423	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1799.4597	[Even if] there was some assignments that you, you know, you didn't complete	1802.4487
1424	LES_int_01	1802.6958	[Yeah.]	1802.9709
1425	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1802.9429	they like, listen this is what you need to do.	1804.7163
1426		1804.9494	And, um,	1805.5929
1427	LES_int_01	1805.9519	That's so [/important/.]	1806.9338
1428	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1806.3016	[And the] principal, um-	1807.7331
1429		1808.4170	um,	1808.9299
1431		1809.3262	her-	1809.5780
1433		1809.7733	/RD-NAME-3/'s predecessor, /RD-NAME-4/ who is currently the principal now,	1813.4886
1434	LES_int_01	1813.6726	[Huh.]	1814.0138
1435	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1813.9439	[he] was so influential, um, in regards to	1816.6519
1436		1817.1504	just the whole student body and bringing new, you know,	1819.7273
1438		1820.1003	new activities to the school. We had a, um- a	1822.7402
1440		1822.9058	liberal arts program	1824.2300
1442		1824.5740	where	1825.0427
1444		1825.4764	that's when I first, um,	1826.9117
1446		1827.3090	<ts> first really, you know,	1828.6862
1448		1829.0715	got into poetry.	1830.1973
1450		1830.6879	And, um,	1831.5832
1452		1831.9936	and I- I wanna develop in my poetry skills, and I- I've developed a passion for it.	1835.9088
1454		1836.4489	And [so it was] just so many things that they-	1839.0345
1455	LES_int_01	1836.8148	[/inaudible/]	1837.5002
1456	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1839.4670	they exposed us to and	1840.9508
1458		1841.4154	would take us to college, you know,	1842.8173
1460		1843.0894	do college trips early on just to allow us to	1845.5275
1462		1846.0581	you know, m- more mentally than anything, allowing us to know that we, you know, we were able to get,	1850.5172
1464		1850.8949	you know, we can get into these colleges and we belong in college. I mean, we w-	1854.5163
1466		1854.7168	it was just-	1855.4209
1467	LES_int_01	1855.9742	[Yeah, that's-]	1857.0560
1468	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1855.9966	[it was great, great school] to go [to.]	1857.9373
1469	LES_int_01	1857.8720	[It] sounds [great.]	1858.8106
1470	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1858.5868	[Great] school to go to and,	1860.1237
1471		1860.5313	<ts> I mean, it was some of the best times of my life there.	1863.1425
1472	LES_int_01	1863.4439	That's [great.]	1864.2600
1473	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1863.9709	[Yeah.]	1864.3812
1474	LES_int_01	1864.9920	So you did poetry, what else were you [interested in?]	1867.1505
1475	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1866.7017	[<ts>]	1866.8613
1477		1867.1447	[Um,]	1867.7881
1478		1868.2265	basketball.	1869.1663
1479	LES_int_01	1869.1663	[Basketball.]	1869.8599
1480	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1869.4589	[Very, I] was a big basketball [fan.]	1871.1515
1481	LES_int_01	1871.0909	[Okay.]	1871.6644
1482	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1871.7157	And, um, I- the only g-	1873.2591
1484		1873.5436	one thing I do regret is that I never, um, I never tried out for the basketball team	1877.4758
1485	LES_int_01	1877.6180	<ts> [Oh.]	1878.7115
1486	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1877.9841	at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1878.7721
1487	LES_int_01	1879.0472	[Yeah.]	1879.4466
1488	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1879.0713	[I never] did that and, um- but	1880.8175
1489		1881.3770	I mean, it's whatever.	1882.3015
1490	LES_int_01	1882.3733	But you played it as a h- as a [hobby?]	1883.8281
1491	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1883.5576	[I-] as a hobby, yes. [And chess.] Chess was another thing I was- I was [interested] in.	1888.0609
1492	LES_int_01	1884.9565	[/Cool./]	1885.3062
1494		1887.4122	[Oh.]	1887.6733
1495		1888.1863	That's [great.]	1888.7628
1496	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1888.5530	[And I] took drama, I took acting classes.	1890.7763
1497	LES_int_01	1890.9341	[Wow, you did a lot.]	1891.8931
1498	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1891.0787	[I used to- I have.]	1892.1931
1499		1892.6454	It's- they- they exposed us to a lot of stuff.	1894.7338
1500	LES_int_01	1894.7561	That's [so great.]	1895.7110
1501	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1895.0778	[And they were constantly,] you know, going on school trips each year.	1898.2703
1502		1898.6433	Um, we would-	1899.5054
1504		1899.9333	we went to Montreal, went to Boston,	1902.4068
1506		1902.8770	uh, Philadelphia, you know we just went to different places.	1906.3156
1508		1906.7892	And it was- it was- it was a great, you know, it was a great experience. Especially, you know,	1910.7494
1510		1911.2203	and as a high school student going, you know,	1913.3326
1511	LES_int_01	1913.5112	[Yeah.]	1914.1178
1512	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1913.6465	[going with] your school to, you know, just different- different places around the- you know, around the country or around the world	1919.0274
1513	LES_int_01	1919.0398	[Yeah.]	1919.7190
1514	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1919.5900	[it] was nothing like it, so.	1920.9121
1515	LES_int_01	1921.0945	That's so wonderful.	1922.1157
1516	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1922.2602	<ts> [Mm-hm.]	1922.8814
1517	LES_int_01	1922.7405	[And] so what did y- you do [afterwards?]	1924.4005
1518	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1924.2823	[<ts>] Afterwards I- um,	1925.9610
1519		1926.4739	afterwards I w- I decided to go to /RD-SCHOOL-8/ for college.	1929.8792
1520	LES_int_01	1929.9491	I was gonna guess [you went to college. <laugh> They prepared you well. <laugh>]	1934.4146
1521	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1930.7309	[Yep.]	1931.0573
1523		1931.6063	[Yep.]	1931.9712
1525		1932.3209	[<ts> I went- y- yes they- yes they did.]	1934.6183
1526		1935.1014	Went to /RD-SCHOOL-8/,	1936.6309
1528		1936.8454	um.	1937.4935
1529	LES_int_01	1937.6231	How did you like that?	1938.5560
1530	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1938.9297	It- you know what, it was- it was tough my first- it was the same way how it was in, um,	1943.1760
1532		1943.6014	/RD-SCHOOL-1/- it was more t-	1944.4830
1534		1944.5984	tough socially more than anything.	1946.3481
1536		1946.7631	Um, because you know,	1947.8636
1538		1948.4511	you were- high school, you see all these movies about	1950.7467
1540		1951.0870	what college is like	1952.2528
1542		1952.5575	and then, you [know, um,]	1953.9199
1543	LES_int_01	1953.1947	[Yeah.]	1953.8615
1544	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1954.2159	<ts> you know, I go to college and it's nothing like it.	1956.7742
1545	LES_int_01	1956.7855	<laugh>	1957.1605
1546	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1957.2451	You know, it was nothing like it and I went to a- a small- small, private university.	1960.8789
1548		1961.2380	Um, you know, it wasn't your [Duke-]	1963.3067
1549	LES_int_01	1962.7704	[Did you live there?]	1963.5398
1550	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1963.9035	I lived on campus as well.	1965.1345
1552		1965.2604	I live- /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was, um,	1966.9154
1554		1967.5341	the main campus is in Garden City, New York,	1969.5890
1556		1970.1719	so, [um]	1971.0438
1557	LES_int_01	1970.8526	[That's-] yeah, that's too far to commute really.	1972.8208
1558	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1972.8544	Mm-hm.	1973.2651
1560		1973.5539	<ts> Yeah.	1973.9776
1561	LES_int_01	1974.1507	Yeah.	1974.5844
1562	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1974.5844	So I lived on campus	1975.9320
1563		1976.2630	and	1976.9951
1565		1977.9244	it was just first off, at freshman orientation	1980.6056
1567		1981.1138	it just rained.	1982.2545
1569		1982.5514	It rained like all day, and it was like a torrential rain. Like,	1985.5916
1571		1986.0719	monsoon rain.	1987.3766
1573		1987.5754	And you know what I'm saying, it raining <clap> and you move in there <clap> and every- just like, /yo, dag/.	1990.6749
1574	LES_int_01	1991.0131	[<laugh>]	1991.5254
1575	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1991.1729	[This is] college- you know what I'm saying? It just- it- it was not [a good] start [to my-]	1995.0944
1576	LES_int_01	1993.9846	[<laugh>]	1994.3467
1578		1994.7354	[This is] not what I [expected.] (laughing)	1996.8181
1579	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1995.5731	[my college career.]	1996.7790
1580		1997.1615	[And you know. And so,] um,	1998.6396
1581	LES_int_01	1997.1615	[<laugh>]	1997.8609
1582		1998.9520	That's [funny. <laugh>]	2000.0975
1583	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	1999.3857	[<ts> I just really] wasn't into it and now- you know, I was kind of,	2002.1771
1584		2002.7926	um,	2003.4220
1586		2003.9894	I was just, you know, I was h- um, city boy, you know. And I'm-	2006.7439
1588		2007.2907	and this, you know, at- on the weekends, y-	2009.7651
1590		2010.1288	everything was dead, everybody went home for the weekends, you know, for the most part. [And-]	2013.5668
1591	LES_int_01	2013.5015	[<ts>] Oh, [really?]	2014.4913
1592	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2014.2040	[yeah,] a lot of people went home for the week- cause it was- it- we had	2016.6986
1593		2016.8492	we had, um, dorms but it was a big community school as well.	2019.4022
1594	LES_int_01	2019.4931	It was, and not a lot of people from the city?	2021.7140
1595	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2022.1696	A lot of- a lot of people from the city did live, um,	2024.6374
1597		2025.0310	<ts>	2025.1522
1599		2025.3201	live in Brooklyn- I mean, live on campus. But	2027.8488
1601		2028.0679	you know, there wasn't, um- my freshman year	2030.4661
1603		2030.8051	like, the campus life, um,	2032.5271
1605		2032.7043	it just really wasn't as,	2034.1638
1607		2034.7837	you know,	2035.3641
1609		2035.5300	as good as it was in the later years. Like [w- we] really developed, you know,	2039.1141
1610	LES_int_01	2037.4355	[Okay.]	2037.9144
1611	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2039.3645	over the years, you know, campus like really, really became like, yeah wow, this is-	2042.9000
1613		2043.3522	this is great, this is what I want it to be.	2045.2177
1614	LES_int_01	2045.3809	So [you started] to like it better as the [years /went on?/]	2048.1910
1615	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2045.5720	[And-]	2045.9145
1617		2047.1807	[<ts> Yeah, and I actually] thought about, after my freshman year, I actually really considered transferring.	2051.3508
1618		2051.8497	[From /RD-SCHOOL-3/ to Tuskegee University,	2053.9235
1619	LES_int_01	2051.8497	[Wow.]	2052.2285
1620	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2054.3707	but then, um, I decided to stay.	2056.5490
1622		2057.0719	And, um- but you know,	2058.4702
1624		2058.9959	and from my sophomore year on,	2060.9841
1626		2061.4038	you know, I just-	2062.3130
1628		2062.7434	I- I r-	2063.2750
1630		2063.4755	my- after my sophomore year, I really fell in love with the school.	2065.8862
1632		2066.3572	And I- I really began to,	2067.9316
1634		2068.3746	you know, challenge myself academically.	2070.2771
1635	LES_int_01	2070.4323	[Mm-hm.]	2070.8068
1636	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2070.5536	[Um,] a- a- and just trying to,	2072.2509
1637		2072.7125	you know,	2073.1696
1639		2073.4073	b- s- meeting new people and just talking, you know,	2075.4776
1641		2075.9966	talking to new friends and not just kind of like,	2078.1089
1643		2078.8270	<ts> k- you know, stay	2080.0207
1645		2080.1699	in the box in regards to who	2081.9128
1647		2082.3535	I was gonna be able to, you know- who- who did I think that I was gonna be	2085.8134
1649		2086.1585	good friends with. And you know, I just trying to just	2088.2675
1651		2088.6778	meet different types of people. And I w- I went there and I graduated in two thousand six,	2092.7007
1653		2093.1230	m- undergrad degree.	2094.1505
1654	LES_int_01	2094.2577	[That's great.]	2094.8614
1655	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2094.3043	[Um,]	2094.7007
1656		2095.0488	<ts> and I went back	2095.8461
1658		2096.0466	to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ for grad school and in two thousand eight I got my master's.	2098.8216
1659	LES_int_01	2099.0759	That's [terrific. In what?]	2100.1001
1660	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2099.3121	[In business, so.]	2100.1457
1661		2100.3053	In business administration,	2101.3451
1662	LES_int_01	2101.7974	[Cool.]	2102.6899
1663	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2102.2870	so.	2102.7999
1664	LES_int_01	2103.3935	Two thousand eight.	2104.3071
1666		2105.8555	That's [recently.]	2106.6016
1667	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2106.4757	[Mm-hm.]	2106.9886
1668		2107.3803	[Mm-hm.]	2107.7533
1669	LES_int_01	2107.5808	[That's terrific.]	2108.3222
1670	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2108.2802	[<ts>] Yep.	2108.5880
1671	LES_int_01	2109.0976	So what do you, uh, what are you up to now? What do you [wanna] do [and.]	2111.8721
1672	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2111.2239	[<ts>]	2111.3685
1674		2111.7322	[Um,]	2112.2822
1675		2112.6517	<ts> well I was working in politics for-	2114.3807
1677		2114.5299	for [about a year.]	2115.7267
1678	LES_int_01	2114.8780	[<ts> Yeah, you mentioned] that.	2116.1463
1679	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2116.1617	I was working in politics. I worked for, um,	2118.2321
1681		2118.6797	the city council, for council member /RD-NAME-4/ for a year,	2121.8178
1683		2122.2342	which was <laugh>	2123.3906
1685		2123.6144	an [experience.]	2124.6216
1686	LES_int_01	2123.7310	[How did you get involved] in that?	2125.3117
1687	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2125.3957	You know, the crazy thing is, um,	2127.0230
1689		2127.6292	prior to that, um,	2128.9255
1691		2129.6450	<ts> that summer I just graduated,	2131.6138
1693		2132.0277	um, wasn't really search-	2133.4383
1695		2133.7204	um, this is when like, the economy was really,	2135.8704
1697		2136.3423	you know, it was like, uh-	2137.0418
1699		2137.5593	it was really-	2138.3996
1701		2138.6271	people began to start saying we're in a recession, so.	2141.1045
1703		2141.5289	You know, um,	2142.2749
1704	LES_int_01	2141.5289	[<ts> Great time] to [finish. <laugh>]	2143.6300
1705	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2142.8531	[<ts> exactly,] right?	2144.2473
1706		2144.6623	And I- I mean, I wasn't really stressing it too, cause I had, you know,	2147.2843
1708		2147.5594	I went to school s- six years straight.	2149.4386
1709	LES_int_01	2149.8317	[Yeah.]	2150.3819
1710	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2150.0835	[Um,] and I was like, you know what, I'm- my- I- let me just take the summer off and	2154.1789
1711		2154.6764	just relax. So I wound up-	2156.1243
1713		2156.4467	by the end of the summer, I wound up, um,	2158.1999
1715		2159.3034	<ts> n-	2159.9561
1717		2160.0432	joining a non-profit organization. I was just	2162.0886
1719		2162.4803	doing some- some, um, part time work there. And I-	2165.0215
1720	LES_int_01	2165.0215	Okay.	2165.4412
1721	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2165.4645	a-	2165.5624
1723		2165.7350	and within that period that I was there, I developed a great relationship with the CEO,	2169.6315
1725		2170.0496	um, of the organization who happened to be friends with the city council member	2173.8444
1727		2174.2818	that was looking for, you know, some new talent, and	2177.2675
1729		2177.8224	was introduced to her.	2178.8949
1731		2179.2819	And	2179.8974
1733		2180.0140	pretty much that's how	2181.1377
1735		2182.0484	[the story went.]	2182.8597
1736	LES_int_01	2182.0484	[So for a year] you worked-]	2183.7923
1737	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2183.6711	[<ts>] I worked for a year. I was her-	2185.1978
1738	LES_int_01	2185.2844	[/inaudible/.]	2186.2074
1739	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2185.4600	[her Senior Community-]	2186.5838
1740		2186.9428	um, I was her- not- she actually wasn't-	2189.4332
1742		2189.8928	she was already in office.	2191.0429
1743	LES_int_01	2191.0429	Oh, [okay. Oh, okay.]	2192.4791
1744	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2191.5045	[She was already in office.]	2192.5117
1745		2192.7402	Um, so-	2193.5007
1746	LES_int_01	2194.1158	So you were her what? What was [that position?]	2195.6454
1747	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2195.0870	[Her Senior] Community Liaison.	2196.9895
1748		2197.2833	Which basically meant	2198.2905
1750		2198.5096	I did- d-	2199.0039
1752		2199.1857	um, w- well- which basically meant that I helped out	2201.6790
1754		2202.0145	with different constituents who came to her office.	2204.1950
1756		2204.5572	They had, you know,	2205.3545
1758		2205.6530	problems or- or issues,	2207.1811
1760		2207.4528	in regards to paying their rent,	2208.8890
1762		2209.2262	in regards to being evicted, or looking for jobs, like we would get in contact.	2212.7606
1764		2213.1360	I would get in contact with different city agencies to see,	2215.3685
1766		2215.7137	you know, what they can do to help them out.	2217.6488
1767	LES_int_01	2218.0168	[/Cool./]	2218.2626
1768	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2218.0295	[So] I would do that, I was also, you know, write her speeches.	2221.3754
1769		2221.7426	I was her speech writer.	2222.7451
1771		2223.0622	Uh, um, I did a lot of stuff- I,	2225.2957
1773		2225.9112	you know, I did	2226.5138
1775		2226.7286	organize c- events for her, I would speak on her behalf at different events.	2230.1898
1777		2230.5615	[Um,]	2231.1478
1778	LES_int_01	2230.6081	[That's great.]	2231.1422
1779	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2231.3790	<ts> I did a lot of stuff for [her. I-]	2232.5712
1780	LES_int_01	2232.2775	[Did you like] it?	2232.9583
1781	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2233.3420	I liked it. I liked it a lot, I- I liked it for the simple fact that I learned a lot. It was, um,	2237.7620
1783		2238.2675	very, very stressful environment.	2240.1373
1785		2240.4730	Um,	2240.9673
1786	LES_int_01	2240.9859	I can [imagine.]	2241.7991
1787	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2241.6807	[yeah,] it's- it was very s- very, very stressful because,	2244.8715
1788		2245.6362	you know, it was just everything was going on. She was, um,	2248.4555
1790		2249.3726	<ts> she, you know,	2250.3101
1792		2251.3590	she was always on the go, she wasn't necessarily the best manager so, you know, a lot of stuff that we had to do,	2256.5617
1794		2256.9995	um- and we was in the biggest district	2259.5618
1796		2259.8670	in the city [council.]	2260.9628
1797	LES_int_01	2260.4592	[What district?]	2261.1630
1798	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2261.3125	Forty-first district.	2262.2963
1800		2262.8559	And at the time we had- my ch- and we were a young staff, you know,	2266.2412
1802		2266.6482	my Chief of Staff was twenty-three	2268.2822
1804		2268.6393	and I was twenty-four.	2269.7692
1806		2270.1687	And, you know, I was like, second in command	2272.3004
1808		2272.6461	and then, you know, her schedule- her special assistant was twenty-four as well.	2276.0473
1809	LES_int_01	2276.2319	[Wow.]	2276.6110
1810	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2276.4275	[So] we were like- and we had like, other- couple other staff members that were there, but	2280.1921
1811		2280.5720	it was pretty much my Chief of Staff, myself, and /RD-NAME-2/. Um-	2283.7996
1813		2284.1773	um, /RD-NAME-2/ was her special assistant. We were kind of like-	2286.6703
1815		2286.9920	we ran the office,	2287.9899
1817		2288.3504	and you know. And, um,	2289.3109
1819		2290.3880	<ts> it was, um. I-	2291.3439
1821		2291.5491	it was a great, great experience. Like I said, it was	2294.1463
1823		2294.6467	very, very stressful a lot of the [times,]	2296.7823
1824	LES_int_01	2296.6191	[Mm-hm, yeah.]	2297.5610
1825	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2297.2579	[but,] um, we- we- we did well. You know, we- we, um,	2300.5522
1826		2301.1575	we definitely, um,	2302.1880
1828		2302.5983	<ts> we definitely did well. And I think we were one of the hardest	2305.1467
1830		2305.5203	working in people in this- you know,	2306.8390
1832		2307.2144	<ts>	2307.3683
1834		2307.5361	arguably- and not, you know- in the city council.	2309.9935
1836		2310.2779	[In regards] to the amount of work that we had to do and, um,	2312.9171
1837	LES_int_01	2310.2779	[Yeah.]	2310.6323
1838	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2313.2729	still be able to run a office at the same time and still put on events	2316.7540
1840		2317.1478	in the community, from	2318.1985
1842		2318.5107	January to July.	2320.8655
1844		2320.9914	We'd put on about,	2321.7375
1846		2322.0872	at least twenty-five to thirty events for her.	2324.0957
1847	LES_int_01	2324.8164	Was that of this year?	2325.6277
1848	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2325.7070	<ts> Of this year.	2326.4863
1849	LES_int_01	2326.6722	So, um, did you decide to leave or what happened? [/inaudible/]	2330.0123
1850	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2329.0517	[Um, what happened was,] you know,	2330.5578
1851		2331.2852	me and her, um-	2332.4517
1853		2333.0898	Um.	2333.5188
1855		2334.3425	all I- this-	2335.3395
1856	LES_int_01	2335.0606	[<laugh>] You don't [have to say.] You don't have to [say.]	2337.1155
1857	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2335.7600	/it the-/	2336.0118
1859		2336.7579	[Nah, I] can say is- is- well she- she definitely, um,	2339.5120
1860		2341.0941	a large part of my-	2342.0594
1862		2342.1969	she was definitely felt threatened by- by us. In- in regards to	2345.8923
1864		2346.3679	her- her staff because, uh, you know, we were	2348.5329
1866		2348.8220	young,	2349.3909
1868		2349.7079	very educated, um,	2351.3192
1870		2351.7316	Chief of Staff must've had a master's in-	2353.7194
1872		2354.3116	[she didn't-]	2355.0111
1873	LES_int_01	2354.3956	[You definitely] knew what you were doing.	2355.8131
1874	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2355.8177	exactly. And she felt-	2357.1979
1876		2357.5337	she felt threatened by it. [And so,]	2359.2930
1877	LES_int_01	2358.9060	[Aw.]	2359.6567
1878	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2359.6567	because of that, um, she actually let go me and her Chief of Staff on the same day.	2363.9263
1879	LES_int_01	2364.4151	[/Oh God/.]	2365.5937
1880	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2364.7080	[Yeah.]	2365.3562
1882		2365.5054	[<clearers throat>]	2365.8411
1883	LES_int_01	2365.9204	That's dramatic.	2367.1075
1884	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2367.2897	<ts> Yeah, but you know what the thing is	2369.0196
1886		2369.3786	we were kind of- she tried to-	2370.6804
1888		2370.9873	there's been more than a couple of times where she would, um,	2373.1943
1890		2373.9310	you know, she would try to set us up for failure. Like, we- we had the-	2377.4063
1892		2377.7933	she forced us to work on her campaign	2379.4906
1894		2379.7704	and we had to-	2380.4652
1896		2380.5911	we had to do a, um,	2381.9853
1898		2382.2432	<ts> a fundraiser in three days	2383.8076
1900		2384.0757	and raise two thousand dollars.	2385.5538
1902		2386.1413	And, which is like, you know, three days to do a fundraiser and raise two thousand dollars,	2389.7348
1904		2390.0379	that's, you know, that's pretty ridiculous. But we wound up	2392.6761
1906		2392.8308	raising three thousand [for her, so.]	2394.9458
1907	LES_int_01	2393.9619	[Oh, and] that probably made it [worse. <laugh>]	2396.7896
1908	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2395.8943	[Y- yeah, that probably-] but you know, she would- it would just, you know.	2399.0138
1909		2399.6726	It was just- [it was a very,] very-	2402.2234
1910	LES_int_01	2400.7218	[/How?/]	2401.4605
1911	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2402.6599	it was very-	2403.6252
1912	LES_int_01	2403.8956	So [this was all recent. So-] so what's your next	2407.5373
1913	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2404.1800	[it was an adventure-]	2405.0707
1915		2405.5946	[yep.]	2405.7981
1916	LES_int_01	2408.1309	step? What [do you-]	2409.3573
1917	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2408.7744	[<ts> Well,]	2409.2407
1918		2409.5298	my next step is I'm- I'm doing community organizing now.	2412.8451
1919	LES_int_01	2412.9817	you [are?]	2413.5739
1920	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2413.3594	[Yes] I am.	2413.9656
1921		2414.1102	I'm doing community organizing now. We actually had a-	2416.7261
1923		2417.1364	that's why you see those boxes over there, we had a back to-	2419.0356
1925		2419.1662	oh, they were over there, [back there, we had] a back to school event.	2421.9079
1926	LES_int_01	2420.2386	[Uh-huh.]	2420.8681
1927	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2422.3929	Um, where we helped-	2423.7731
1928	LES_int_01	2424.1259	Who are you working [with?]	2425.0445
1929	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2424.7320	[<ts>	2424.8952
1930		2425.0631	um, I'm working by myself.	2426.8210
1931	LES_int_01	2427.0043	Oh, that's [so cool.]	2428.1607
1932	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2427.4945	[So, yeah.] I'm working- my mother- and the great thing is my mother is the the Tenant Associate President, so	2432.2174
1933		2432.5193	we just do events through our, um,	2434.8508
1935		2435.0326	through our development.	2435.8207
1936	LES_int_01	2436.1564	Yeah.	2436.4688
1937	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2436.4688	And, um,	2437.2149
1938		2437.4154	and-	2437.8390
1940		2437.9416	which allows me to be able to work more independently, you know, just with myself and my mother, and just	2443.2806
1942		2443.7716	I- I have, you know,	2444.9762
1944		2445.6648	pretty much have a lot of control on regards to what type of events we wanna do.	2448.9214
1945	LES_int_01	2449.1121	Yeah.	2449.3918
1946	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2449.4423	Um, so, um, I'm doing that a lot.	2451.4901
1948		2451.8877	Um, and I'm always helping out with a couple of campaigns.	2454.2858
1950		2454.6297	Um, /RD-NAME-4/ who was a city [council member,]	2457.1943
1951	LES_int_01	2456.4669	[Yeah.]	2457.1150
1952	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2457.5207	in our district, I actually helped her	2459.0594
1954		2459.4215	on her reelection campaign where	2460.9816
1956		2461.2727	she wound up getting eighty-two percent of the vote.	2462.9854
1957	LES_int_01	2463.0647	[Yeah.]	2463.6195
1958	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2463.5449	[So,] um, [that was amazing.] Yes, yes. That was amazing success, and we have a,	2467.9793
1959	LES_int_01	2464.2910	[She was very popular.]	2465.2546
1960	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2468.3958	you know, we're developing a pretty good relationship as well.	2470.7319
1961	LES_int_01	2471.0816	[So you think] you wanna stay in this kind of arena?	2473.6585
1962	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2471.0909	[Um-]	2471.4879
1963		2473.6819	<ts> [um,]	2474.3347
1964	LES_int_01	2473.9909	[Working in] city [politics?]	2475.2854
1965	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2475.1367	[I-] I think, um,	2476.3817
1966		2476.8587	<ts> I think I- I-	2477.8426
1968		2478.0431	I- I can see myself doing that.	2479.8150
1970		2480.1927	Um,	2480.7056
1972		2480.8968	but	2481.2931
1974		2482.3313	my- my main focus and now, you know, /RD-NAME-4/ is our- is our city council member.	2486.2221
1975	LES_int_01	2486.2372	[Yeah.]	2486.6056
1976	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2486.5589	[And] so, you know,	2487.4309
1977		2487.8053	my- my main focus is this community- is- is the community itself.	2490.9168
1978	LES_int_01	2491.1020	[Yeah.]	2491.4750
1979	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2491.3208	[So] I'm- I'm just committed to doing whatever we can to make sure that we	2494.9130
1980		2495.2487	provide our community resources,	2497.0626
1982		2497.3844	um, limiting the amount of violence and, um,	2499.6846
1984		2499.9737	illegal activity that's going on here.	2501.6513
1986		2502.0300	And, um,	2502.7353
1988		2502.9766	/and/ just making sure that everybody is happy.	2504.8058
1990		2505.2395	Or- or, making sure, you know,	2506.8389
1992		2507.4730	<ts> for the most part that, you know-	2509.1097
1994		2509.6613	you know, that we're	2510.3899
1996		2510.8597	we're living in a har- harmonious society, so.	2513.3264
1997	LES_int_01	2513.3870	Right.	2513.9932
1998	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2514.3336	<ts> That's pretty much what I'm interested in doing, [yeah.]	2516.3493
1999	LES_int_01	2516.0855	[That's] great.	2516.7877
2000	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2516.7877	Thank you.	2517.2912
2001		2517.4638	Thank you very much.	2518.3870
2002	LES_int_01	2518.3870	Um, maybe I can switch gears and- and just ask you a little bit more about how you've seen the neighborhood	2524.1595
2004		2524.8216	[change in, uh,] in your twenty-four-	2527.4375
2005	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2525.5284	[Mm-hm.]	2525.9081
2006	LES_int_01	2528.3701	well, twenty-one	2529.4905
2007	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2529.7424	[Twenty-]	2530.1807
2008	LES_int_01	2529.8543	[years] here.	2530.5024
2009	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2530.5024	mm-hm.	2530.9361
2010		2531.8687	Um.	2532.4282
2011	LES_int_01	2532.4282	You- we talked a little bit about it, but, [you know,] what- what else comes to mind when you think of	2536.3231
2012	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2534.0073	[Yeah.]	2534.2871
2013	LES_int_01	2536.8547	how you've seen it,	2537.5961
2015		2537.9132	you know, change over time.	2539.0789
2016	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2539.3151	I- I- it's definitely become more upscale.	2542.2045
2018		2542.6894	[Um,] in regards to	2544.3801
2019	LES_int_01	2542.6894	[Yeah.]	2542.9599
2020	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2545.0099	just the- just d- different type of businesses that are here. Just in regards to the different type of people who are around here.	2550.4622
2021	LES_int_01	2550.4622	Yeah.	2550.9145
2022	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2550.9519	You know, which is like I said, is not a- is- is- is not a bad thing,	2554.0532
2024		2554.4987	um, it's not a bad thing at all because,	2556.3403
2026		2556.5191	[you know, change is-]	2557.4890
2027	LES_int_01	2556.5191	[Not necessarily.]	2557.6569
2028	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2557.9460	not necessarily, change is constant.	2559.6433
2030		2560.0629	Um,	2560.5525
2032		2560.7918	<ts> I- I- I just wish that there were more,	2563.4216
2034		2563.9485	you know,	2564.5128
2036		2564.9884	more businesses that were here, you know-	2567.0727
2038		2567.6709	you know, f- a lot of people who were-	2569.2144
2040		2569.5175	I wish there was more businesses,	2570.8697
2042		2570.9863	you know, here that,	2571.9049
2044		2572.2779	um,	2572.6828
2046		2572.9135	people from our, you know, people who grew up here were able to start on they own.	2576.5179
2048		2576.9634	[And I think,] um,	2578.0272
2049	LES_int_01	2576.9634	[Yeah.]	2577.4902
2050	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2578.6875	I think a lot of-	2579.7460
2052		2579.8859	a lot of it has to- reason why we don't have it	2581.9749
2054		2582.4179	is not because they don't want to but	2584.3335
2056		2584.7943	just the- the amount of money they have to afford to p- you know keep	2588.1360
2058		2588.3645	rent open, you know.	2589.4929
2060		2589.9513	And, you know, it- it's- [it's tough.]	2591.8957
2061	LES_int_01	2591.1729	[/inaudible/ there's] like, a boutique that	2593.4904
2062		2593.8358	sells like [two hundred] dollar shirts or something [like- yeah.]	2597.4712
2063	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2594.5239	[It's tough.]	2595.2778
2065		2596.3891	[Exactly. And-] n- the- the great-	2598.2650
2066		2598.6007	a great example of it, um, on Sixth we used to have, like this-	2601.8268
2068		2602.4910	this amazing Chinese restaurant right on Sixth Street and, um, Avenue C.	2606.2493
2069	LES_int_01	2606.2493	Mm-hm.	2606.6643
2070	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2606.7995	And, I mean, it was there f- since o- you know, since I could remember.	2609.9204
2072		2610.3867	And, you know,	2611.2447
2074		2612.2565	<ts> they wound up shutting down because, you know, they couldn't afford the rent or whatever the case was.	2616.5851
2075	LES_int_01	2616.6271	Yeah.	2617.0607
2076	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2617.0747	And, you know,	2617.7772
2078		2617.8798	now we have a wine store there. Which, you know, wine- I'm a- I'm a avid wine lover.	2621.9458
2079	LES_int_01	2622.2295	[Mm-hm.]	2622.4227
2080	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2622.3282	[But,] you know,	2623.0337
2081		2623.3554	it just lets you know that, you know,	2625.1320
2083		2626.4842	um,	2627.1230
2084	LES_int_01	2627.7667	It's a shift.	2628.4067
2085	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2628.4387	it's a shift, you know. And it's like, um,	2630.4412
2087		2631.0879	you know, this-	2631.7098
2089		2632.2443	this is n-	2632.8625
2091		2633.0556	this, um, business was there, you know, since I can remember, since I was a kid.	2637.2396
2092	LES_int_01	2637.2863	Yeah.	2637.7339
2093	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2637.7408	And, you know it- it's unfortunate that, you know-	2639.9642
2095		2640.5797	you know, um, they no longer could be here because of the fact that they can't afford it. And there's no fault to the wine store cause,	2646.1859
2097		2646.5625	you know, they- they did-	2648.0398
2099		2648.3868	than their business and then they trying to open up shop here, it's a great neighborhood.	2651.7705
2101		2652.3106	So- [so much and] so forth. But, uh, I just think that I wish there was more,	2656.7752
2102	LES_int_01	2652.8108	[Yeah.]	2653.3159
2103	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2657.1995	um,	2657.8197
2105		2658.5718	<ts> I mostly- I wish there was more that could be done	2660.8893
2107		2661.3043	[to make sure-]	2662.1346
2108	LES_int_01	2661.3043	[Some- some] sort of way to control a little bit [of what's happening.]	2664.8278
2109	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2663.7849	[<ts> exactly.]	2664.5667
2110		2664.8686	Exactly.	2665.5798
2111	LES_int_01	2665.6561	Not that you're against it, but that	2667.1016
2112	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2667.3301	[Exactly.]	2668.1370
2113	LES_int_01	2667.8850	[there's-] you've seen some of the n- these negative effects [of gentrification] and [things like that.]	2672.7172
2114	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2670.5583	[Yeah. Exactly.]	2671.8033
2116		2671.9905	[Exactly.]	2672.7032
2117	LES_int_01	2673.3387	Now, a lot of people talk- you know, have seen a s-	2675.9283
2119		2676.3573	i-	2676.5298
2121		2676.8236	this neighborhood- this area right here has seen a lot of gentrification, you [know, Avenue] A and kind of [moving]	2682.3161
2122	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2680.4760	[Mm-hm.]	2680.8957
2124		2682.2666	[Mm-hm.	2682.6769
2125	LES_int_01	2682.7282	now	2683.1805
2126	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2683.2535	Mm-hm.	2683.6178
2127	LES_int_01	2683.7338	over.	2684.2374
2129		2684.5684	And, um <ts>	2685.6129
2131		2685.8438	so much so that's sometimes when I interview people, it's interesting	2688.7139
2133		2689.3540	through all-	2690.1793
2135		2690.3854	e- all over the Lower East Side- remember I told you this is the Lower East Side	2693.3016
2136	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2693.1323	[Mm-hm.]	2693.5532
2137	LES_int_01	2693.7152	Project.	2694.2342
2139		2694.6385	They will	2695.6427
2141		2695.8563	define the Lower East Side	2697.3556
2143		2697.8670	a little differently and they sometimes think of this as a separate neighborhood, so I'm curious	2702.2733
2145		2703.2816	what you think. Like, if I asked you how- w- what do you think the Lower East Side is [in g- geo-] geographically?	2708.8272
2146	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2707.4983	[Mm.]	2707.9646
2147	LES_int_01	2709.0277	Like, [what-]	2709.6945
2148	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2709.3495	[<ts>]	2709.5267
2149	LES_int_01	2710.2663	where does it go? You know, what are the little like cross streets that [make up this neighborhood?]	2713.5461
2150	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2712.4580	[Well I-]	2712.9709
2152		2713.1201	[I think] the Lower East Side is from-	2715.0032
2153		2715.3017	of course, from Avenue D,	2716.4788
2154	LES_int_01	2716.8519	[Yeah.]	2717.1176
2155	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2716.9591	[um,]	2717.4161
2156		2717.5793	the whole section of Avenue D and over	2719.6667
2158		2720.3537	towards, um, where Williamsburg is at.	2722.6649
2160		2723.2291	[And,] um,	2723.9346
2161	LES_int_01	2723.2291	[Yeah.]	2723.5462
2162	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2724.0558	it's- it's pretty v- Lower East Side is pretty big.	2726.4805
2163	LES_int_01	2726.6904	[Yeah.]	2726.9328
2164	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2726.7976	[You] know, um, [it's-]	2727.6463
2165	LES_int_01	2727.4364	[So] how, like,	2728.4576
2166		2728.7187	how north does it go, like how far north would you [go?]	2730.9770
2167	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2730.9070	[<ts>]	2731.0329
2168		2731.1215	[Um,]	2732.2016
2169	LES_int_01	2732.0821	[Like, f- well] first of all you think you live in the Lower East [Side?]	2734.1944
2170	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2733.9939	[Yes, I do.]	2734.8353
2171	LES_int_01	2734.4019	[You're on Fifth. So, like, how] no-	2735.6417
2172	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2734.9917	[Mm-hm.]	2735.3741
2173	LES_int_01	2735.7206	would you go?	2736.6764
2174	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2737.4844	Um.	2738.2637
2176		2739.6225	hm.	2740.1051
2178		2740.7145	I'm trying to- north meaning like up towards Avenue-	2742.9261
2179	LES_int_01	2743.1593	Like to Fourteenth Street or to?	2745.0384
2180	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2745.8099	I would say, yeah- I would think, um, I- I don't even think it would go that far up into-	2750.0762
2182		2750.5001	I think	2751.0269
2184		2751.3581	the Lower East Side is up until, um,	2753.6443
2186		2754.1153	<ts>	2754.3158
2188		2754.4650	<ts>	2754.8194
2190		2755.4069	I- I wanna say up until-	2756.8570
2192		2758.3273	yeah, up until Fourteenth Street and about Avenue-	2761.4374
2194		2762.1246	Avenue A.	2762.8621
2195	LES_int_01	2763.1207	Okay.	2763.5138
2197		2763.8869	And then east of that, like First Ave- Second Ave- [that's-]	2766.9578
2198	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2766.6706	[That's-] I don't think that- that's not the Lower East Side.	2769.0579
2199	LES_int_01	2769.2133	and then what about moving south?	2770.7966
2200	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2771.0085	<ts> Um,	2771.8711
2201	LES_int_01	2772.0204	Do you cross [Houston?]	2773.7160
2202	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2773.5777	[Yeah,] you cross Houston [still.]	2775.1009
2203	LES_int_01	2774.6859	[Do you cross] Delancey?	2776.0148
2204	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2776.4112	Delancey- yep, Delancey [still. Um,]	2778.6577
2205	LES_int_01	2777.7648	[S- go south,] okay.	2779.0192
2206	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2779.3647	cause it's Delancey- after- past Delancey, um,	2782.9438
2208		2783.6928	<ts>	2783.9250
2210		2784.8119	you know what?	2785.3435
2212		2785.9030	After- past-	2786.6211
2214		2786.9102	you go o-	2787.5411
2216		2787.6763	I believe all the- I wanna say up until, like,	2789.7401
2218		2790.2083	about Grand Street.	2791.4273
2219	LES_int_01	2791.6398	Yeah, [Grand Street.]	2792.6578
2220	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2792.0471	[I would consider] that to be like, the [Lower East Side.]	2794.2307
2221	LES_int_01	2793.5126	That's the Lower East Side [for you? Okay.]	2795.2006
2222	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2794.6224	[Yeah.]	2795.0001
2224		2795.2006	I would consider that.	2795.9560
2225	LES_int_01	2795.9886	And then what about, like,	2797.0299
2227		2797.2490	east of there, because you've got [Chinatown-]	2800.4619
2228	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2800.1167	[<ts>]	2800.3388
2229	LES_int_01	2800.8535	do you- is- does that seem part of Lower East Side or [it's separate?]	2803.6340
2230	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2802.8133	[No it's-]	2803.2096
2232		2803.5314	[Chinatown] is [Chinatown.]	2804.8743
2233	LES_int_01	2804.7950	[Okay.]	2805.0888
2234	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2805.1867	Mm-hm.	2805.4432
2235	LES_int_01	2805.8472	Okay.	2806.1596
2236	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2806.2809	[Chinatown-]	2806.8091
2237	LES_int_01	2806.3974	[So- and that's] growing, [so that's] kind of	2808.4351
2238	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2807.4279	[yeah.]	2807.7870
2239	LES_int_01	2808.8781	the boundaries of where- yeah. It's funny, everyone I ask has a totally different	2812.0316
2241		2812.4047	definition of	2813.4212
2243		2813.6030	what the Lower East [Side is, which] is really interesting [to me.]	2815.9235
2244	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2814.1796	[Mm-hm.]	2814.7227
2246		2815.3692	[Mm-hm.]	2815.7790
2247	LES_int_01	2816.2872	Um,	2816.7069
2249		2817.1312	but, so I'm curious if- so say we use your, uh, your definition of the- the boundaries,	2821.8981
2250	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2821.8981	Mm-hm.	2822.2618
2251	LES_int_01	2822.3084	w-	2822.5136
2253		2822.6815	um,	2823.3070
2255		2823.7446	do you think that all the people that live in, you know, from Fourteenth Street to Grand and the river [to] Avenue A, or whatever it [is,]	2831.3619
2256	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2829.2496	[Mm-hm.]	2829.5994
2258		2831.1008	[Mm-hm.]	2831.4552
2259	LES_int_01	2831.9122	um,	2832.4346
2261		2832.6256	do they make up a community?	2834.4556
2262	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2834.9321	<ts>	2835.0720
2264		2836.0465	[Hm.]	2836.5221
2265	LES_int_01	2836.1957	[And I guess] I have to ask you to, like, define what's community to [you? You know,] like, what does it mean for people who live in an	2840.9580
2266	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2838.4726	[Mm-hm.]	2838.9110
2267	LES_int_01	2841.2860	area	2841.8999
2268	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2842.4874	[Well-]	2842.8110
2269	LES_int_01	2842.4874	[to be] a community, and not just people who live next to each other.	2845.1814
2270	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2845.2819	well I think, um,	2846.7134
2272		2846.8393	it's different, you know. I- I definitely think,	2849.0899
2274		2850.1343	um,	2850.6333
2276		2850.7746	I see this block as being one community.	2853.0780
2278		2853.1946	[Um-]	2853.5863
2279	LES_int_01	2853.1946	[This block?]	2853.7868
2280		2854.2485	[Very]	2854.8033
2281	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2854.3976	[/?/-]	2854.6308
2282	LES_int_01	2854.9479	small	2855.3815
2283	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2855.3908	[yeah.]	2855.8654
2284	LES_int_01	2855.6613	[for] a community, [yeah.]	2856.5906
2285	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2856.4181	[Because,] you know what the- the- the thing is, um,	2858.6096
2286		2859.1785	<ts>	2859.2951
2288		2859.6308	the thing is that you could- we all grew up- everybody who's living this block, you know,	2863.5419
2290		2864.0916	it's pretty much watched- watched each other growing up. We've been friends	2867.4744
2292		2867.8420	or- since we were kids. You know, and so [there's a-]	2870.4982
2293	LES_int_01	2869.9836	[Right.]	2870.4206
2294	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2870.7936	there's a history that's there.	2872.0586
2296		2872.3338	[And there's a] common bond that we share there.	2874.3575
2297	LES_int_01	2872.3850	[Yeah.]	2872.6602
2298	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2874.6729	So, you know, that's what makes- that's what- I l- that's what makes it special. Like, you know,	2878.9208
2300		2879.2565	We have Fifth Street and Avenue D,	2880.5869
2302		2880.9039	um,	2881.3741
2304		2881.9904	I barely know anybody that's over there. Or- or people [who I know] as like, you know, we-	2885.7517
2305	LES_int_01	2884.4974	[Yeah.]	2884.8518
2306	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2886.1854	we've- we known because we've- we've grown up, we went to the same school, or,	2890.0567
2308		2890.3461	you know, our parents may know each other. But	2892.6449
2310		2892.8578	we necessarily were never friends but, you know, there's a mutual respect that's there.	2896.3771
2312		2896.6781	But that doesn't necessarily-	2897.6533
2314		2897.7832	um, they're part of our, um,	2899.2847
2316		2900.1240	they're part of our community, but they kind of like the- th- the distant cousins. You know what I'm saying? Like-	2904.1868
2317	LES_int_01	2904.3725	Yeah.	2904.8303
2318	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2904.8303	it's like- but	2905.6836
2319		2905.9400	<ts>	2906.0753
2321		2906.8740	and I think it-	2907.4429
2323		2907.6621	just in the Lower East Side is- is- is a neighborhood itself.	2910.6556
2324	LES_int_01	2910.8328	[Yeah.]	2911.1376
2325	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2910.9774	[Um,] and I think,	2911.8713
2326		2912.5642	um,	2913.0818
2328		2913.7252	<ts> depending- I think you base your community on, you know,	2916.5218
2330		2916.9613	at least for me,	2917.8567
2332		2918.3818	in regards to, you know, the people who you-	2920.3776
2334		2920.9945	who you, you know- who you-	2922.0947
2336		2922.2139	who you kind of, you know, grew up with, [basically. Y- you weren't- who you were-]	2925.3790
2337	LES_int_01	2923.5591	[You interact with.]	2924.6790
2339		2924.8041	[You know. Yeah.]	2925.9698
2340	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2925.8873	[interact] with yourself- myself, cause I, you know, I-	2928.1933
2341		2928.3539	I live on /RD-ADDRESS-2/.	2929.4509
2343		2929.9253	There's not too many people who I- I socialize with on- on Ninth Street.	2933.5685
2344	LES_int_01	2933.8373	[Right.]	2934.1580
2345	LES_se0_ag2_m_01	2933.9135	[You know,] and- you know, but we're still in the same area.	2936.1949
2346		2936.4648	Doesn't mean that we don't, you know-	2937.7758
2348		2937.9577	doesn't mean that, you know-	2938.9880
2350		2939.6410	<ts> you know, we're f-	2940.2332
2352		2940.3311	from two completely different, you know-	2942.0421
2354		2942.3221	they're not from the West Side, but we just, you know, we don't interact like that, [so.]	2945.7865
2355	LES_int_01	2945.4532	[Right.]	2945.8741