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1 | LES_int_01 | 0.6003 | Okay, great. So, we're recording and it's January sixth, two thousand nine. | 5.1140 |
3 | | 5.4497 | And I'm /RD-NAME-4/, and I'm talking to /RD-NAME-7/. | 8.6804 |
4 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 8.6804 | [Yes. ] | 9.2627 |
5 | LES_int_01 | 8.8430 | [Alright?] | 9.2906 |
6 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 9.3979 | Yes. | 9.8182 |
7 | LES_int_01 | 10.0029 | Hi /RD-NAME-3/. | 10.6382 |
8 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 10.7350 | Hi. | 11.1780 |
9 | LES_int_01 | 11.2021 | Um. So, I- I think I told you I normally just ask people to start- if we could start at the beginning, um, and just get an idea of | 17.7555 |
11 | | 17.9688 | your kind of, life story. | 19.4143 |
13 | | 19.7780 | Um, would you mind kind of telling me when and where you were born? | 22.6352 |
14 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 23.1554 | I was born in Queens, New [York.] | 24.9867 |
15 | LES_int_01 | 24.8552 | [Mm-hm.] | 25.0977 |
16 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 25.0940 | in September of sixty-nine. | 27.2249 |
17 | LES_int_01 | 27.4254 | Okay. | 27.7192 |
18 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 27.9244 | And, um, | 29.0528 |
20 | | 29.2067 | born to a | 30.4477 |
22 | | 30.6202 | teenage mom and a | 31.9362 |
24 | | 32.1507 | teenage dad. | 32.9228 |
25 | LES_int_01 | 32.9834 | Really? | 33.4578 |
26 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 33.6684 | And, um. | 34.7502 |
27 | LES_int_01 | 34.7502 | [What are their stories,] how- how did they end up living in Queens? | 37.1271 |
28 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 34.8500 | [M- m-] | 35.0959 |
30 | | 37.1271 | Uh, | 37.7659 |
31 | | 37.9618 | my mom, by the way of her family, South Carolina, and my dad by the way of his family, Florida. | 42.8392 |
32 | LES_int_01 | 43.1271 | [Okay.] | 43.4986 |
33 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 43.2856 | [They] moved to, uh, New York [and,] um, they both settled in Queens. | 47.7620 |
34 | LES_int_01 | 45.2207 | [Yeah.] | 45.6264 |
35 | | 47.8180 | As- did they move as a- | 48.9075 |
37 | | 49.1127 | kids, or as [adults?] | 50.3245 |
38 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 50.2178 | [Um,] they were both teenagers when they moved to Queens, the borough of [Queens.] And um, | 54.8935 |
39 | LES_int_01 | 53.7791 | [Okay.] | 54.1600 |
40 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 55.2339 | my mom lived with her aunt, and her mom lived in the South, so she kind of came to the city | 59.9851 |
42 | | 60.3768 | at the age of about a- twelve, I [believe] it was. [And] she went to the school systems there in Queens. | 66.1296 |
43 | LES_int_01 | 62.3900 | [Okay.] | 62.6185 |
45 | | 63.0970 | [Okay.] | 63.4350 |
46 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 66.5694 | And my dad also. He came to the city, I think he was a little younger than my mom when his family left, uh, | 71.8299 |
48 | | 72.1086 | Florida and moved to New [York.] | 73.7966 |
49 | LES_int_01 | 73.7080 | [Okay.] | 74.0298 |
50 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 74.5322 | And um, | 75.2738 |
52 | | 75.4510 | so I guess my parents kind of met up as teenagers or [whatever and-] | 78.7894 |
53 | LES_int_01 | 78.1273 | [They met at school.] | 79.0412 |
54 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 79.6511 | Not even at school. [I don't think] they went to the same school, cause my dad was four years older than my mom. | 83.6006 |
55 | LES_int_01 | 80.4857 | [Just at-] | 81.0593 |
57 | | 83.5786 | [Oh, okay.] | 84.1632 |
58 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 84.1632 | So, [um.] | 85.1522 |
59 | LES_int_01 | 84.7465 | [So they just] met? | 85.5248 |
60 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 86.0051 | <ts> They met, I- I really can't remember exactly the whole story behind them meeting or [whatever, but] | 91.0305 |
61 | LES_int_01 | 90.5973 | [Yeah.] | 90.9079 |
62 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 91.3756 | I do know that they got married when my mom was sixteen. | 94.2655 |
63 | LES_int_01 | 94.3369 | [Wow.] | 94.8061 |
64 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 94.5887 | [And] my aunt signed for her to get married, um, and | 97.8871 |
65 | | 98.3394 | my dad went off to war. | 99.6684 |
67 | | 99.8642 | And he went [to Vietnam, and] um, my mom was pregnant with me. | 103.7154 |
68 | LES_int_01 | 100.3921 | [Oh.] | 101.8143 |
69 | | 103.8167 | [Oh.] | 104.4089 |
70 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 104.2796 | [And] | 104.8899 |
71 | | 105.2303 | she had me in Queens, um, I think my dad came home for leave when she had me. | 109.9286 |
73 | | 110.2737 | And then he went back. And I w- I went to live with my grandma in the South, while my mom was | 115.0603 |
75 | | 115.4312 | here trying to work and make some money or whatever. | 117.6167 |
76 | LES_int_01 | 117.6167 | [Mm-hm.] | 118.0037 |
77 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 117.9478 | [And] then, um, I believe my dad came back from Vietnam when I was about two. | 122.2375 |
78 | LES_int_01 | 122.3323 | Yeah. | 122.6960 |
79 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 122.9478 | And, we lived here, we moved to Lower East Side | 125.6461 |
80 | LES_int_01 | 125.6927 | When you were two? | 126.3642 |
81 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 126.3642 | when I was about two years old. | 127.5209 |
82 | LES_int_01 | 127.5209 | So, you've been- and- | 128.6494 |
84 | | 129.0410 | and have you left and lived in [other places?] | 131.8624 |
85 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 131.0778 | [Well, yeah. We] left Quee- we left Manhattan, the Lower East Side, when I- I guess I was about | 136.0785 |
86 | | 136.5727 | maybe | 137.1976 |
88 | | 137.6038 | four, I think we moved, um, to Queens, back to [Queens.] | 141.1662 |
89 | LES_int_01 | 140.9281 | [Mm-hm.] | 141.2732 |
90 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 141.6761 | And um, | 142.7444 |
92 | | 143.2339 | then to South Carolina for about | 145.0825 |
94 | | 145.2515 | a year or two. | 146.0036 |
95 | LES_int_01 | 146.1109 | Uh-huh. | 146.5166 |
96 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 146.5974 | And then back to- <laugh> | 148.5418 |
98 | | 148.8029 | back to New York [from South] Carolina. | 150.7893 |
99 | LES_int_01 | 149.7098 | [Okay.] | 149.9722 |
101 | | 150.7124 | [Okay.] | 151.0807 |
102 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 151.1530 | And back to Queens. [And] um, because that's the base of where my- my mom's and my dad's family [was living at the time.] | 157.9862 |
103 | LES_int_01 | 152.4682 | [Uh-huh.] | 152.8479 |
105 | | 156.9323 | [Your family.] | 157.7119 |
107 | | 157.9679 | Yeah. | 158.3265 |
108 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 158.4851 | And, um, | 159.5552 |
110 | | 159.6391 | <ts> I don't think we ended up back on the Lower East Side until my mom and dad separated and that was in the year of uh, | 165.6250 |
112 | | 165.9741 | I wanna say, nineteen seventy-nine. We moved back to New [York.] | 170.2727 |
113 | LES_int_01 | 169.9069 | [Okay.] So, you were about ten. | 171.2838 |
114 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 171.3664 | Yeah, I was about ten years old. | 172.7341 |
116 | | 172.8507 | And we lived, um, we actually lived in a women's shelter, um, located on Avenue | 177.3593 |
118 | | 177.8174 | B, at the time, and Ninth Street, there was a women's shelter there. Now- now it's this | 181.5976 |
120 | | 181.7040 | big fancy, | 182.7703 |
122 | | 183.8447 | I wanna say, | 184.5115 |
124 | | 184.6945 | co-op, it's not even a co-op it's probably privatized h- [apartments now.] | 189.1301 |
125 | LES_int_01 | 188.4773 | [I know] where you're [talking about.] | 190.2725 |
126 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 189.6010 | [Yeah. It's] gated in, it was really, [really nice.] And I believe it was run by the Catholic Church at that particular [time.] | 196.3797 |
127 | LES_int_01 | 191.9266 | [Yeah.] | 192.3185 |
129 | | 196.2352 | [Mm-hm.] | 196.6129 |
130 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 196.7201 | Or some private organizations. | 198.2112 |
132 | | 198.2939 | But, um, | 199.0551 |
134 | | 199.6612 | <ts> anyway, I remember being there for | 201.5348 |
136 | | 201.8189 | about two or three months and | 203.4602 |
138 | | 203.8099 | it was over the summer that we had to stay there and, um, til we got an apartment on Thirteenth Street. | 209.0676 |
139 | LES_int_01 | 209.3893 | Oh. | 209.7251 |
140 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 209.7251 | Between, um, First and Avenue A. | 211.8735 |
141 | | 212.2232 | And we lived on [Thirteenth Street.] | 213.6780 |
142 | LES_int_01 | 213.0115 | [Is that] | 213.4311 |
143 | | 213.8879 | Compost Plaza? | 214.8065 |
144 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 215.0862 | Nope. | 215.3940 |
146 | | 215.7974 | First and A. | 216.6554 |
148 | | 217.0823 | [First and A, is private] | 219.0034 |
149 | LES_int_01 | 217.3257 | [That's Compost Plaza's A and] B or [something.] | 219.7401 |
150 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 219.6982 | [Compost] Plaza is C and D. | 221.1285 |
151 | LES_int_01 | 221.0824 | [Oh,] it is, [okay.] | 221.7953 |
152 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 221.7445 | [Yeah.] And um, we lived on Thirteenth Street | 224.6117 |
153 | | 224.8542 | from like nineteen-ei- nineteen | 227.6135 |
155 | | 228.3129 | eighty to maybe eighty-five. We moved here in nineteen eighty-five to [/RD-ADDRESS-4/] in [eighty-five.] | 233.8964 |
156 | LES_int_01 | 232.3307 | [Oh.] | 232.8837 |
158 | | 233.3629 | [Okay.] | 233.7359 |
159 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 234.2601 | Yeah, my mom was actually trying to be a um, | 237.2167 |
161 | | 237.8788 | <ts> | 238.0467 |
163 | | 238.3264 | a homesteader. | 239.0995 |
165 | | 239.8852 | And at t- and at that time, um | 241.6805 |
167 | | 242.4580 | the | 243.0129 |
169 | | 243.1714 | President Carter, he had a program, | 245.4609 |
171 | | 245.7873 | Project Appleseed, I believe it was, and they were helping | 248.4761 |
173 | | 248.7328 | low income families, um, that wanted to take over these abandoned buildings down on the Lower East [Side.] | 254.0768 |
174 | LES_int_01 | 254.0346 | [Yeah.] | 254.3470 |
175 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 254.3470 | And they were converting them into apartments, which the family did sweat equity | 258.2860 |
176 | | 258.5471 | and actually would own their own apartment. | 260.4729 |
178 | | 260.8833 | Well, | 261.2470 |
180 | | 261.4102 | my mom | 262.0864 |
182 | | 262.3980 | f- she fell through the flooring of- of the apartment that she was working [on.] | 266.9210 |
183 | LES_int_01 | 266.6066 | [Oh, no.] | 267.3434 |
184 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 267.3201 | [And] she just | 268.3125 |
185 | | 268.4244 | kind of gave up because she s- she got injured. So [she gave up.] | 271.6677 |
186 | LES_int_01 | 270.9742 | [Oh, no.] | 271.9207 |
187 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 271.9848 | Cause it was- it was a lot for her, you know, she was doing it by herself, single mom, three kids. | 276.2037 |
188 | LES_int_01 | 276.3294 | [Yeah.] | 276.9593 |
189 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 276.7025 | [Really,] really hard at the time for her to, you know, to do that by herself. [And,] | 281.1089 |
190 | LES_int_01 | 280.7639 | [Right.] | 281.2395 |
191 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 281.4943 | you know, and for her to get hurt. She hurt her back really bad, and, um, | 284.8609 |
193 | | 285.1920 | I remember from then on it- it just got really- | 288.0488 |
195 | | 288.2633 | it got really bad. And so | 289.9979 |
197 | | 290.4408 | um, you know, living on Thirteenth Street was rough for her. She applied for these apartments here, I think she originally applied for, | 296.5057 |
199 | | 296.9207 | uh, | 297.2471 |
201 | | 297.3667 | t- two ten Stanton Street. Which was | 299.4417 |
203 | | 299.7261 | Pueblo Nuevo, [at the time.] | 301.3535 |
204 | LES_int_01 | 300.6867 | [Yes], yeah. | 301.7237 |
205 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 301.7965 | And | 302.2870 |
207 | | 302.4399 | she didn't get in | 303.2357 |
209 | | 303.4548 | to Pueblo [Nuevo, but] | 304.9283 |
210 | LES_int_01 | 304.4667 | [Ah.] | 305.3153 |
211 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 305.2221 | [she] did | 306.0145 |
212 | | 306.5269 | get in here. So we were like, [the foundation] family for this [building.] | 310.0478 |
213 | LES_int_01 | 308.1356 | [That's-] | 308.5233 |
215 | | 309.8749 | [Oh,] okay. And Pueblo Nuevo, that's section eight. | 312.6811 |
216 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 312.7075 | That's also [section eight, which is the sister] building to that | 315.6684 |
217 | LES_int_01 | 313.6354 | [Is this section eight?] | 314.6219 |
218 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 315.8034 | building. | 316.1394 |
220 | | 316.2560 | [Right.] | 316.5217 |
221 | LES_int_01 | 316.2560 | [Oh,] okay. [Okay,] so this is not NYCHA this is section [eight?] | 319.2301 |
222 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 317.2398 | [Right.] | 317.5802 |
224 | | 319.0436 | [<ts> This] is section [eight housing. Right.] | 320.8613 |
225 | LES_int_01 | 319.8541 | [Sorry, I'm- I'm] learning more about the | 322.0270 |
226 | | 322.2330 | distinctions. | 323.0210 |
227 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 323.1313 | Yeah. | 323.4484 |
228 | LES_int_01 | 323.4531 | Um, | 324.2411 |
230 | | 324.5069 | wow and so then you've been here [in the- in the same apartment?] | 327.3310 |
231 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 326.0067 | [So we've been here,] | 327.1997 |
232 | | 327.6481 | same [apartment.] | 328.6646 |
233 | LES_int_01 | 328.5705 | [Wow.] | 329.1021 |
234 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 328.9117 | [Since] eighty-five my family has been in this apartment. Well, you know, my brothers left and | 333.3547 |
235 | | 333.6422 | I left, I got married. I came back when [my mom] deceased in [ninety-two.] | 337.9367 |
236 | LES_int_01 | 335.9223 | [Yeah.] | 336.2301 |
238 | | 337.8773 | [Oh.] | 338.5985 |
239 | | 338.7201 | [Yeah, I'm sorry.] | 339.7583 |
240 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 339.0635 | [Um, no actually] ninety-four. My mom passed in ninety-four. So I came back here in the | 343.7078 |
241 | | 344.1974 | summer of ninety-four. | 345.6980 |
242 | LES_int_01 | 345.7400 | Mm-hm. | 346.0897 |
243 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 346.1858 | So, um, and I been here since. | 348.3263 |
244 | LES_int_01 | 348.6900 | [Amazing.] | 349.5361 |
245 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 349.3848 | [Yeah.] | 349.7438 |
246 | | 349.8930 | With my two sons, my two boys. | 351.6360 |
247 | LES_int_01 | 351.8125 | How old are they? | 352.4607 |
248 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 352.5120 | Um, I have a sixteen year old and a twelve year old. | 355.0189 |
249 | LES_int_01 | 355.0189 | Okay. The one I [met.] | 355.9998 |
250 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 355.9579 | [Yeah.] | 356.3216 |
251 | | 356.9138 | [Yeah.] | 357.1966 |
252 | LES_int_01 | 356.9448 | [That's] great. | 357.5370 |
253 | | 358.1572 | Um, | 358.7214 |
255 | | 358.9881 | okay, so I'm interested in kind of your memories as a kid of the neighborhood. It sounds like you | 364.0541 |
257 | | 364.3805 | were here and you left and you came back, and so you probably have a really interesting perspective. | 368.2911 |
258 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 368.4217 | <ts> [Well,] | 369.1164 |
259 | LES_int_01 | 368.6175 | [What do you remember?] What are some of your first memories about being here, living here? | 372.2592 |
260 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 372.8841 | I know that, um, | 374.6170 |
262 | | 375.4051 | I remember being a kid- well I can remember Thirteenth Street very well. Thirteenth Street was that kind of block where everybody kind of | 381.3012 |
264 | | 381.5639 | knew everyone. We were like, | 382.7328 |
266 | | 382.9659 | wasn't very many black families that lived on Thirteenth Street. In fact, I don't there were | 387.2037 |
268 | | 387.9404 | any black families that lived on Thirteenth [Street. We were] like, one of the few | 391.5378 |
269 | LES_int_01 | 389.8794 | [Yeah.] | 390.3714 |
270 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 392.0087 | that lived | 392.5675 |
272 | | 392.7501 | in that ratio. In that one block ratio [that we] lived on. [So it was kind of different.] | 397.0998 |
273 | LES_int_01 | 394.8523 | [Right.] | 395.3232 |
275 | | 395.8502 | [What- what was the rest] of the make up, | 397.8878 |
276 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 398.1303 | [It was all] Puerto Rican. | 399.5890 |
277 | LES_int_01 | 398.1761 | [at the time?] | 398.8147 |
278 | | 399.8641 | [It was?] | 400.4470 |
279 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 399.9154 | [It was] all Puerto Rican. (laughing) | 401.5699 |
280 | LES_int_01 | 401.7005 | Uh-huh. | 401.9709 |
281 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 401.9709 | And I don't even remember a Dominican family at all. At that time it was just predominantly | 406.6330 |
282 | | 407.0604 | Puerto Rican and Caucasian. | 408.8370 |
283 | LES_int_01 | 409.0841 | Wow. | 409.5645 |
284 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 409.6763 | And that was it. And it was, you know, very mixed, very | 411.9323 |
286 | | 412.2308 | blended. Um, people very free-will. People very kind | 416.0629 |
288 | | 416.4033 | to one another. [Um.] | 417.7679 |
289 | LES_int_01 | 417.2130 | [They weren't,] and now even if there- you were one of the only black [families /you didn't feel any/.] | 421.2837 |
290 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 420.1786 | [They couldn't care less.] | 421.5635 |
291 | LES_int_01 | 421.4656 | [Didn't care?] | 422.0655 |
292 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 421.8883 | [We] all just kind of blended and fitted in. | 423.7301 |
293 | LES_int_01 | 423.9247 | [That's great.] | 424.3503 |
294 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 424.0426 | [And,] um, | 424.9472 |
295 | | 425.3202 | we- I remember | 426.1828 |
297 | | 426.4078 | like, playing on the fire escape as a kid. [And going] up and down the fire escape, not even being fearful that we were on a fire escape and we lived on the fourth floor. | 434.1400 |
298 | LES_int_01 | 429.0119 | [Yeah.] | 429.4305 |
299 | | 434.2931 | [Yeah.] | 434.7546 |
300 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 434.5122 | [We would] just go to each other apartments, knocking on each other's windows. Hey, you know, what's going on. | 438.9225 |
301 | LES_int_01 | 439.0438 | [Yeah.] | 439.4371 |
302 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 439.3235 | [And,] um, I remember my neighbors- learning how to speak Spanish with my neighbors. | 443.2994 |
303 | | 443.6361 | And picking up the accent | 444.8615 |
305 | | 445.0060 | of the community. | 445.9603 |
307 | | 446.2587 | And really, you know, | 447.4245 |
309 | | 447.9607 | not really identifying with being a Southerner or | 451.3071 |
311 | | 451.5542 | someone from Queens, but really knowing that, you know, I was a Lower East Sider at that point. | 455.5689 |
313 | | 455.8953 | [They couldn't] cared less where you came from. Once you're on the Lower East Side, you're from the Lower East Side, [pretty much.] | 460.5745 |
314 | LES_int_01 | 455.8953 | [Yeah.] | 456.2909 |
316 | | 459.8397 | [Right.] | 460.3973 |
317 | | 460.8317 | [Right.] | 461.3352 |
318 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 460.9895 | [And,] um, especially if you | 462.7754 |
319 | | 462.9992 | make roots there and you go to school there, or whatever. | 465.4689 |
321 | | 465.8886 | So that's- that's what I remember. And just playing stick ball on the street, [Johnny on a pony.] | 471.1794 |
322 | LES_int_01 | 470.0650 | [Yeah, so where did you] play it? [Yeah,] you played [on- on the block?] | 473.3570 |
323 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 471.6410 | [<laugh>] | 472.1112 |
325 | | 472.4057 | [Played on a block.] When the cars came, everybody [moved. And when the cars left,] everybody went back. | 477.8924 |
326 | LES_int_01 | 475.2718 | [<laugh>] | 476.5494 |
327 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 478.2871 | I remember summertime, [um.] | 480.3621 |
328 | LES_int_01 | 480.3155 | [Wait,] is Johnny on the Pony the one where everybody jumps | 482.9687 |
329 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 483.0293 | [On person's back. <laugh>] Yeah, and the last [person-] | 486.9352 |
330 | LES_int_01 | 483.2383 | [On s- a person's back.] (laughing) | 485.1781 |
332 | | 486.3637 | [I've heard of] this. I'm like, this sounds not fun [for people on the bottom. (laughing)] | 491.4201 |
333 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 489.0747 | [It's a very rough game.] | 490.6181 |
335 | | 491.0237 | [<laugh>] It's a very [rough game.] | 492.6923 |
336 | LES_int_01 | 492.1187 | [<laugh>] | 493.6388 |
337 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 493.1492 | [Very] rough game. [And Booties Up.] Booties Up was that game where you got hit with the ball on your [backside.] | 499.1255 |
338 | LES_int_01 | 494.5714 | [That's /inaudible./] | 495.4511 |
340 | | 498.6778 | [What?] I've never [heard that one.] | 500.0703 |
341 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 499.6694 | [Yeah.] It was crazy. [<laugh>] | 501.7677 |
342 | LES_int_01 | 501.3994 | [Now were] boys and girls, | 502.5091 |
343 | | 502.6397 | were you playing [together as a kid?] | 504.0805 |
344 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 503.3811 | [Yeah, we played] together. The boys and girls played [together. Um,] didn't matter what your family's economic situation was, cause | 509.4040 |
345 | LES_int_01 | 506.0856 | [That's cool.] | 506.6444 |
346 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 509.6464 | if you lived in the tenements, everybody was pretty much the same, [you know. Everybody] was working families [or] | 514.2238 |
347 | LES_int_01 | 512.4752 | [Right.] | 512.9041 |
349 | | 513.9813 | [Yeah.] | 514.3637 |
350 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 514.4896 | you know, uh, lower income families, or [whatever.] | 516.8389 |
351 | LES_int_01 | 516.6244 | [Yeah.] | 517.0293 |
352 | | 517.1922 | [Yeah.] | 517.6333 |
353 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 517.2539 | [Lot of single mothers.] I remember, um, in the neighborhood like, the super's kids | 521.0945 |
354 | | 521.4116 | that lived in the building next door from us. They were like, the largest family, cause they had like, six kids. | 526.8554 |
355 | LES_int_01 | 526.8694 | Wow. | 527.3890 |
356 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 527.4057 | And they were like, the largest family. Everybody else, um, | 530.8887 |
358 | | 531.7219 | you know, were not, not too big. Like my neighbor that lived below us, | 535.3499 |
360 | | 535.7600 | who | 536.1936 |
362 | | 536.4167 | still lives in the community and still recognizes me and my brothers all the time. | 540.0855 |
363 | LES_int_01 | 540.1042 | [Yeah.] | 540.5565 |
364 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 540.4866 | [Um,] | 540.9855 |
365 | | 541.2046 | she had a big | 542.2149 |
367 | | 542.4014 | blended family, also. Her kids were all together and they had, like, two apartments | 546.4814 |
369 | | 546.7752 | together. Like, the walls were broken | 548.7460 |
371 | | 548.9838 | [through] | 549.3615 |
372 | LES_int_01 | 549.0398 | [Yeah.] | 549.4911 |
373 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 549.5760 | to make the- the one- the two bedrooms into a four [bedroom.] | 553.0118 |
374 | LES_int_01 | 552.6434 | [Right, right.] | 553.4268 |
375 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 553.3288 | [So] she had the biggest apartment, downstairs from us. | 555.8413 |
376 | | 556.2201 | And then, you know, I remember my neighbors that lived upstairs, you know. So I mean, you know. | 560.0503 |
378 | | 560.3907 | Pretty- pretty close. | 561.4912 |
380 | | 561.7495 | The tenement was rough, because it was owned by a Jewish family and | 565.4717 |
382 | | 565.7701 | they didn't take care of the tenement very well. Not at all. The guy was just like a slumlord. | 570.3242 |
384 | | 570.6972 | And that much I remember cause my mom was always fighting about | 574.0257 |
386 | | 574.4277 | the ceilings being broken. My uncle would come in and make some basic repairs, trying to fix stuff. | 579.3398 |
388 | | 579.6709 | We had the- | 580.6827 |
390 | | 580.9935 | the bathtub in the kitchen and the toilet [had the-] | 584.1363 |
391 | LES_int_01 | 583.4927 | [Right.] | 584.0805 |
392 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 584.3415 | the t- the tank was on the top and there was a long string you had to pull it. | 588.2389 |
394 | | 588.7129 | And I- I remember that- that bathroom | 591.4537 |
396 | | 591.5759 | <laugh> [o well.] | 592.4805 |
397 | LES_int_01 | 591.9256 | [Oh my God.] | 593.1512 |
398 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 592.7035 | [My uncle came] and he built a- a wall so we could have some privacy | 596.3445 |
399 | | 596.6009 | in the kitchen. | 597.3796 |
401 | | 597.7134 | And, um, | 598.6479 |
403 | | 599.0891 | you know. So it was- it was- it was really interesting. | 601.5513 |
404 | LES_int_01 | 602.6937 | Do you have good memories of a, kind of | 604.8231 |
406 | | 605.1355 | being a kid and playing and | 606.4038 |
408 | | 606.6273 | friends and things like that? | 607.9892 |
409 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 608.0871 | I remember all my friends from when I was younger. Like, I went to elementary school at /RD-SCHOOL-4/ on /RD-ADDRESS-4/. The /RD-SCHOOL-4/ school. [And] | 615.8570 |
410 | LES_int_01 | 615.4560 | [Okay.] | 615.9102 |
411 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 616.1177 | I went there for two years. And | 618.1756 |
413 | | 618.4216 | all of my friends /re-/ they pretty much, we all recognize each other when we see each other in the street. Like, hey how are you, [whatever.] | 624.5371 |
414 | LES_int_01 | 624.0763 | [Yeah.] | 624.4681 |
415 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 624.8671 | And even the kids that lived down on the other side of- of First Avenue, you know, we were pretty cool with them. | 629.4974 |
417 | | 629.7238 | Cause they all went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/. | 631.4356 |
419 | | 631.7897 | And, um, all my brothers went to the boy's club on Tenth Street. | 634.9751 |
420 | LES_int_01 | 635.0858 | [Yeah.] | 635.5879 |
421 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 635.4169 | [So,] you know, I kind of grew up in the boy's club. | 637.9387 |
422 | | 638.0226 | <laugh> Cause I, you know, I had no place to go. | 640.0767 |
423 | LES_int_01 | 640.1901 | [Yeah.] | 640.7300 |
424 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 640.3067 | [Girls] back then didn't have a club. | 642.1536 |
425 | | 642.4936 | Before they did, uh, the BGR Club, which is now | 645.3249 |
427 | | 645.5182 | the Henry Street owns that. | 647.0663 |
428 | LES_int_01 | 647.0849 | [Right.] | 647.5605 |
429 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 647.4626 | [So] before that came about, | 649.0977 |
430 | | 649.2329 | you know, we all kind of just hung out | 651.6884 |
432 | | 651.8861 | wherever. [You know, wherever you could get in.] | 653.7543 |
433 | LES_int_01 | 652.6352 | [Right. As you got older,] you- | 654.4071 |
434 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 654.7102 | I- I volunteered at the boy's club and then they essentially gave me a summer job. (laughing) | 658.8780 |
435 | LES_int_01 | 658.8780 | Oh, that's [good.] | 660.2350 |
436 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 660.1613 | [Yeah.] | 660.5380 |
437 | LES_int_01 | 660.4588 | [That's nice.] | 661.2837 |
438 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 660.8691 | [Yeah.] | 661.2413 |
439 | | 661.3532 | Yeah. I remember, um. | 662.8986 |
440 | LES_int_01 | 662.9153 | So as you got older, | 664.1828 |
442 | | 664.2743 | I- | 664.5500 |
444 | | 664.7704 | now at this point you were- | 666.7005 |
445 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 667.0582 | I was in junior- once I went to junior high school, I went to the school that was directly around the corner. Which [was, uh,] | 672.7442 |
446 | LES_int_01 | 672.0679 | [Oh, that's convenient.] | 673.0586 |
447 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 673.1752 | <laugh> /RD-SCHOOL-6/. | 674.9408 |
449 | | 675.3138 | Which was one of the- not such a great school in the [community.] | 678.4333 |
450 | LES_int_01 | 678.2794 | [Oh,] really? | 679.0768 |
451 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 679.1218 | Yeah. Wasn't- it didn't have such a [great reputation.] | 681.7190 |
452 | LES_int_01 | 680.7865 | [Didn't have a good rep?] <laugh> | 682.1760 |
453 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 682.9034 | Not such a good reputation [at all.] | 685.0382 |
454 | LES_int_01 | 684.3714 | [Was it- was] it true? | 685.7417 |
455 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 685.8542 | It was [true, cause] l- lot- a lot of the kids [that went-] uh, that lived in the- the projects down on Avenue D, | 691.5833 |
456 | LES_int_01 | 686.5123 | [Okay.] | 686.9446 |
458 | | 687.7805 | [Okay.] | 688.2015 |
459 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 691.7139 | they came up to First Avenue to go to school there. | 694.4774 |
460 | LES_int_01 | 694.4774 | [Okay.] | 694.8598 |
461 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 694.7012 | [Cause] their parents didn't want them going to | 696.4685 |
462 | | 696.8089 | n- whatever /RD-SCHOOL-6/ that was right there on Houston Street. Their parents didn't send them to [/RD-SCHOOL-3/.] | 703.0216 |
463 | LES_int_01 | 702.9335 | [Right.] | 703.4501 |
464 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 703.3625 | [Or] /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was too far, so they had to go to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. | 706.2705 |
465 | | 706.4897 | Cause /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was directly up. | 708.2243 |
466 | LES_int_01 | 708.5973 | [I get it.] | 709.0582 |
467 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 708.7325 | [From] like, Tenth Street and Twelfth Street, so all those kids just came on up. | 712.0789 |
468 | LES_int_01 | 712.0789 | Okay. | 712.5545 |
469 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 712.5872 | I learned how to play hooky. | 714.2798 |
470 | LES_int_01 | 714.6808 | [<laugh>] | 715.8694 |
471 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 714.8712 | [I learned about marijuana] use. I didn't know anything about all that stuff until like, I really started like, getting known with the [kids.] | 721.1497 |
472 | LES_int_01 | 721.0658 | [Yeah.] | 721.6440 |
473 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 721.4155 | [Then my mother's] like, I don't want you hanging out with those kids from Avenue [D.] | 724.2878 |
474 | LES_int_01 | 724.1447 | [S-] yeah. So was your mom a strict mom? Was she [lenient? Like, were you allowed to explore and-] | 729.3595 |
475 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 727.1772 | [<ts>] | 727.2612 |
477 | | 727.3918 | [Nah, she was-] | 728.1891 |
479 | | 728.5621 | [nope.] | 729.2849 |
480 | | 729.4387 | My mother was really like, very [strict.] | 731.7321 |
481 | LES_int_01 | 731.5114 | [she was strict.] | 732.3149 |
482 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 732.0445 | [Yeah.] | 732.5321 |
483 | | 732.7533 | And she was a young mom, but she was a strict [mom.] | 734.9067 |
484 | LES_int_01 | 734.7577 | [So] you kind of had to stay close to [home.] | 736.4680 |
485 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 736.3095 | [Stay] close to home. We couldn't go past Avenue A. | 738.9160 |
486 | | 739.5812 | Could not. | 740.1153 |
488 | | 740.5604 | [And we couldn't] go any further than Tenth Street without her. | 743.3004 |
489 | LES_int_01 | 740.5604 | [Wow.] | 741.1061 |
490 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 743.7732 | She [would never send] us, like, beyond Tenth Street. | 745.9402 |
491 | LES_int_01 | 743.9534 | [Wow.] | 744.4323 |
492 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 746.0517 | Not at all. | 746.7651 |
493 | LES_int_01 | 747.3060 | No past Avenue A, you mean east? So not to Avenue [D?] | 749.9958 |
494 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 749.9258 | [No.] | 750.3641 |
495 | | 750.8071 | [Never.] | 751.3353 |
496 | LES_int_01 | 751.1319 | [Couldn't] do it. | 751.6180 |
497 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 751.6401 | Couldn't do it. | 752.2105 |
498 | LES_int_01 | 752.4561 | [Wow.] | 752.9249 |
499 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 752.5494 | [If I did] it, it was defying my mother. | 754.3026 |
500 | | 754.7503 | Yeah, it was [really d-] | 755.5937 |
501 | LES_int_01 | 755.3605 | [Did you] ever do [that? Or were you- /You were that rebellious./] | 757.9482 |
502 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 756.1297 | [of course I did. I was a kid. Of course.] | 758.4285 |
503 | LES_int_01 | 758.3661 | [<laugh>] | 759.1730 |
504 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 759.0254 | [Of] course. Especially like those middle school years, when I, you know, started feeling myself, hanging out with the- the crew. | 764.4830 |
505 | | 764.7225 | That's when I got to know the black kids in the community. [Cause I didn't] even know they existed. | 768.7256 |
506 | LES_int_01 | 767.1006 | [Right.] | 767.5287 |
507 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 768.9821 | Up until- like, there was only one black girl in my- | 771.2838 |
509 | | 771.5599 | my, um, | 772.3945 |
511 | | 773.1577 | elementary school with me. Her name was [/RD-NAME-3/ and I never forget] her. And she still lives here on the Lower East Side, so when we see each other. Hey. | 779.7028 |
512 | LES_int_01 | 775.4192 | [Wow.] | 776.1695 |
513 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 779.9359 | You remember being the only black kids in the school? Like, [yeah.] (laughing) | 782.8790 |
514 | LES_int_01 | 782.6497 | [That's so funny.] | 783.9022 |
515 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 783.2590 | [We would laugh] and joke about it all the time. We still do. | 786.1571 |
516 | LES_int_01 | 786.5463 | Because the black kids lived on [Avenue D?] | 788.5246 |
517 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 788.0788 | [Avenue D.] | 788.9414 |
518 | | 789.4031 | [They all lived on] the Ave. [<laugh> As we called it.] | 792.1488 |
519 | LES_int_01 | 789.4357 | [So once-] | 790.1631 |
521 | | 791.0071 | [so once- yeah. Yeah,] yeah. So once you went to junior high then | 794.4802 |
522 | | 794.6434 | you | 795.1190 |
523 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 795.4455 | Then I [got exposed to the black kids] in [the neighborhood. That] was like, | 798.2788 |
524 | LES_int_01 | 795.8910 | [realized.] | 796.9639 |
526 | | 797.2017 | [Yeah.] | 797.8910 |
527 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 798.5073 | oh. There's black [kids. <laugh>] | 801.1372 |
528 | LES_int_01 | 799.3291 | [You're like, look at that.] | 800.4471 |
529 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 801.8040 | [Yep.] | 802.1242 |
530 | LES_int_01 | 802.0391 | [So] that was a different experience, [then, I bet.] | 803.9380 |
531 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 803.4064 | [Different experience.] Um, I met new people, new m- made new friends. Um, | 808.5433 |
532 | | 809.0842 | you know, not- not that I neglected the old friends that I had, but I think I picked a- a little bit of a- a swagger, you know, of the- | 815.7692 |
534 | | 816.0910 | what the- the other Lower East Siders were like, [you know.] | 818.8903 |
535 | LES_int_01 | 818.4925 | [On the Ave.] | 819.1902 |
536 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 819.4280 | Yeah, the Ave [kids.] | 820.9761 |
537 | LES_int_01 | 820.6590 | [Had a attitude?] | 821.6273 |
538 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 821.4174 | [And] they had major [attitude.] They talked back and, | 824.8260 |
539 | LES_int_01 | 822.7370 | [Yeah.] | 823.1942 |
540 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 825.0871 | you know, whereas the Spanish kids were a little bit more respectful. They were like, you know, like mm-mm. No, we're not gonna do some of those thing. | 830.9880 |
542 | | 831.2245 | When you knew | 831.8226 |
544 | | 831.9998 | the Spanish kids that came from Avenue D, | 834.4495 |
546 | | 834.8022 | were like the black kids that came from Avenue D. | 837.0342 |
547 | LES_int_01 | 837.1647 | [Okay.] | 837.5537 |
548 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 837.4119 | [And] they all kind of blended in together, you know. Um, | 840.4792 |
549 | | 840.8709 | pretty cool. | 841.6415 |
551 | | 841.8734 | That's when, um, | 842.9816 |
553 | | 843.2573 | Compost Plaza was just being built. Around that time, [when I got] into, like, middle school. | 847.5652 |
554 | LES_int_01 | 845.6700 | [Okay.] | 846.1151 |
555 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 847.8031 | And the kids that lived in Compost Plaza were like the new families that lived in there. | 851.5131 |
556 | LES_int_01 | 851.6204 | [Yeah.] | 851.9320 |
557 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 851.8760 | [There] were a few black families that lived there, and we all thought they were like, really rich kids. | 855.7183 |
558 | | 855.9432 | Cause Compost was this really fancy | 858.1027 |
559 | LES_int_01 | 858.2673 | [Yeah.] | 858.6589 |
560 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 858.5797 | [place.] | 859.1672 |
561 | LES_int_01 | 859.0366 | [It was] nice [when it was built. Yeah.] | 860.4775 |
562 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 859.6941 | [It was so] nice when it was put up. | 861.8895 |
563 | LES_int_01 | 861.8895 | Yeah. | 862.3185 |
564 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 862.5936 | Really, really [nice.] | 863.7298 |
565 | LES_int_01 | 863.5810 | [Yeah.] | 863.9119 |
566 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 864.2334 | And everybody was like, you live in Compost? Wow, your family must have money, you know. | 868.2954 |
567 | LES_int_01 | 868.3957 | [Yeah.] | 868.7364 |
568 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 868.5310 | [And all] those kids dressed nice and their families had good jobs, so. | 872.5411 |
569 | | 873.0353 | You know, we just thought that they were like, | 874.3440 |
571 | | 874.5072 | the best. Yeah, [yeah.] (laughing) | 877.2536 |
572 | LES_int_01 | 875.1367 | [That's] | 875.4211 |
574 | | 875.6123 | [funny.] | 876.3272 |
576 | | 876.8340 | [Well, what about] high school? Were you still in [the neighborhood?] | 879.6595 |
577 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 878.9222 | [High school,] I didn't go too far. I went to school on Fourteenth Street, at that time it was /RD-SCHOOL-5/ which was a all girls school. | 886.2460 |
578 | LES_int_01 | 886.3765 | [Okay.] | 886.7263 |
579 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 886.6750 | [And] it was like, I think it was one of the m- | 888.6273 |
580 | | 888.8603 | only all girls school that was left besides, um, | 891.8445 |
582 | | 892.0491 | <ts> | 892.1849 |
584 | | 892.6087 | what was the other one? On, um, | 894.6546 |
586 | | 895.9043 | <ts> uh, Fourteenth Street and Union Square. The other one that was there. | 899.3254 |
587 | LES_int_01 | 899.6405 | [Oh.] | 900.3884 |
588 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 899.7309 | [Washington Irving] was a all [girls school, too, at that time.] | 903.0175 |
589 | LES_int_01 | 901.1850 | [Oh. Was it? Oh,] I didn't [know that.] | 903.9888 |
590 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 903.4418 | [Yeah, and] then they integrated boys into the school, like I believe it wasn't | 907.7962 |
591 | | 908.0510 | about eighty-four. | 909.1468 |
593 | | 909.4592 | They s- they got boys. The year that I [was-] | 911.9865 |
594 | LES_int_01 | 911.5245 | [These were public] schools? [But they were just all girls?] | 913.9946 |
595 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 912.6750 | [yeah.] | 913.0061 |
597 | | 913.1833 | [Mm-hm.] | 913.5780 |
599 | | 913.7391 | [They were] all girls. And they were vocational high schools. | 916.2309 |
600 | LES_int_01 | 916.2701 | Mm-hm. | 916.5965 |
601 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 916.6058 | So /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was the school, you know, like- you know, you wanted to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. At first | 920.6423 |
603 | | 920.9827 | I wanted- I auditioned to go to the School of Performing Arts, cause I was very big on the arts. And | 926.2354 |
605 | | 926.5198 | I didn't make it in there, [so.] | 928.1960 |
606 | LES_int_01 | 927.9254 | [Oh.] | 928.4319 |
607 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 928.5062 | I [ended up-] | 929.0471 |
608 | LES_int_01 | 928.6368 | [Which- which] arts were your | 930.2361 |
609 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 930.3154 | I was [into theater.] And singing. Yeah. | 932.6406 |
610 | LES_int_01 | 930.6915 | [passion?] | 931.1182 |
611 | | 932.6453 | Cool, [cool.] | 933.3680 |
612 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 933.2375 | [And,] um | 934.0861 |
613 | | 934.7798 | <ts> I didn't realize how intense it was [to audition to] get into those schools, so | 939.3769 |
614 | LES_int_01 | 937.2034 | [I bet.] | 938.0433 |
615 | | 939.4608 | [/??/.] | 940.2314 |
616 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 939.6567 | [I didn't make it. Cause I was-] (laughing) | 941.2218 |
617 | LES_int_01 | 940.8534 | [/unintelligible/] | 942.3264 |
618 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 941.4467 | [I guess I didn't take it serious.] | 942.9004 |
619 | | 943.2315 | And, [um,] | 944.0895 |
620 | LES_int_01 | 944.0335 | [How] could you [know? /??/ yeah.] | 946.1307 |
621 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 944.9195 | [I] didn't know. And my music teacher didn't know either. She was just like, yeah you can go try. Go try. Go [see.] | 949.6787 |
622 | LES_int_01 | 949.5974 | [Right.] | 950.0331 |
623 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 950.1123 | You know, I had no clue. Um, what I was up against (laughing). [Like,] | 953.1370 |
624 | LES_int_01 | 953.0511 | [/Seriously./] | 953.6452 |
625 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 953.3468 | [These were] the best of the city kids, you know. | 955.4591 |
626 | LES_int_01 | 955.7466 | [Wow.] | 956.2763 |
627 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 956.1166 | [Um,] | 956.5932 |
628 | | 956.6681 | so I ended up going to /RD-SCHOOL-5/. And I met my current husband [there. We,] um- | 962.1208 |
629 | LES_int_01 | 961.1882 | [Uh-huh.] | 961.5344 |
630 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 962.3290 | but he was on his way out, I was on my way in. | 963.8538 |
631 | LES_int_01 | 964.0543 | [Okay.] | 964.3793 |
632 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 964.2361 | [And,] um, and boys were there. | 965.6910 |
633 | LES_int_01 | 966.0436 | Okay. | 966.4864 |
634 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 966.5396 | And, um, I believe eighty-four was the first years boys | 969.3777 |
636 | | 969.5083 | got into the school, so. | 971.3548 |
637 | LES_int_01 | 971.4760 | Got it. | 971.8838 |
638 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 971.9050 | You know, it was- it was still pre- predominantly girls. [<laugh>] It was a g- [it was a-] | 975.6114 |
639 | LES_int_01 | 974.2678 | [Yeah.] | 974.6219 |
641 | | 975.3180 | [/Fun nights/] for the [guys.] | 976.6176 |
642 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 976.1746 | [ye-] yeah, I [guess. <laugh> I guess] it was great for [them.] | 979.5956 |
643 | LES_int_01 | 977.4320 | [<laugh>] | 978.5103 |
645 | | 979.4604 | [And] how'd you like the school? | 980.6213 |
646 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 980.6447 | I loved /RD-SCHOOL-5/. I grew a lot, I learned a lot. Um, I had great friends. I still have friends that, | 986.6629 |
648 | | 986.8028 | you know, uh- | 987.4556 |
650 | | 987.6235 | attended the school. | 988.6850 |
651 | LES_int_01 | 988.7643 | [Yeah.] | 989.1518 |
652 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 989.0161 | [It-] that life long friends. And, um, | 991.5574 |
653 | | 991.7672 | you know. So I mean, | 992.8910 |
655 | | 993.2314 | It was- it was fabulous, you know. And it- [and it-] | 995.1928 |
656 | LES_int_01 | 994.8524 | [Yeah.] | 995.1412 |
657 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 995.4306 | and it- I guess I had a sense of pride cause I'm like, I live on the Lower East Side. Lot of these kids came from Brooklyn, the Bronx, | 1001.0067 |
659 | | 1001.2725 | Harlem. [I was like, nah.] | 1003.0194 |
660 | LES_int_01 | 1002.0356 | [They're commuting. <laugh>] | 1003.4200 |
661 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1003.3085 | [I'm] like, I can walk to school. | 1004.7820 |
662 | | 1005.0198 | <laugh> I don't know anything about what you're going [through,] | 1007.1678 |
663 | LES_int_01 | 1006.9766 | [Yeah.] | 1007.4559 |
664 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1007.3963 | [riding] a train. | 1008.3149 |
665 | LES_int_01 | 1008.4734 | That's [so] | 1009.1137 |
666 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1008.9257 | [And, um,] yeah it was. It wasn't until my second year at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ that I had to go up to the, um, main building, which was | 1015.5827 |
667 | LES_int_01 | 1009.2894 | [nice.] | 1009.6485 |
668 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1015.8765 | on /RD-ADDRESS-5/. | 1017.3597 |
670 | | 1017.5163 | I believe it [is, yeah.] | 1018.7774 |
671 | LES_int_01 | 1018.0432 | [Oh, they had like, another campus?] | 1020.1555 |
672 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1019.1669 | [Yeah. There's the main] building. | 1020.8317 |
673 | | 1020.9660 | It was in [/RD-ADDRESS-4/.] | 1022.3789 |
674 | LES_int_01 | 1022.1597 | [Got] it. [Got it.] | 1023.2656 |
675 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1022.8591 | [So,] you know, it felt good to get on the train like, I can ride the train [now. Like everybody else, you know.] | 1027.3217 |
676 | LES_int_01 | 1025.9444 | [<laugh>] | 1027.5843 |
677 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1027.8356 | And, uh, you know. So my mother's like, oh you don't need to ride the train. | 1030.7700 |
679 | | 1030.9375 | Get off the train. [<laugh> Take the bus. Take the] bus. | 1033.4259 |
680 | LES_int_01 | 1031.5229 | [<laugh> She's like,] | 1033.0715 |
681 | | 1033.6824 | she [was like, /??/.] | 1034.5245 |
682 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1033.9062 | [I was like, nobody] takes the bus, mom. Everybody rides the train. | 1037.5572 |
683 | LES_int_01 | 1037.5976 | [That's funny.] | 1038.7307 |
684 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1037.9473 | [So.] | 1038.5017 |
685 | | 1039.2296 | <ts> [It was really] cool. | 1040.2182 |
686 | LES_int_01 | 1039.4255 | [Then s-] | 1039.7767 |
687 | | 1040.2228 | and so then what did you do after high school? | 1041.9788 |
688 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1042.4191 | After high school I went on to college. I went to /RD-SCHOOL-8/ way out in Bayside, Queens (laughing). Cause I wanted to get out of the neighborhood. I [was like,] | 1051.1681 |
689 | LES_int_01 | 1050.8913 | [Yeah.] | 1051.3453 |
690 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1051.5458 | I don't wanna be in the Lower East Side. I don't wanna go to BMCC. You know, I didn't wanna- | 1055.4704 |
692 | | 1055.7921 | I wanted to actually go away to school, but my mom was fearful, um, | 1059.8904 |
694 | | 1060.2164 | you know, because of my health and everything. She really didn't want me going too far | 1063.5310 |
695 | LES_int_01 | 1063.5674 | [Okay.] | 1064.1000 |
696 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1063.8425 | [away] from her. Um, | 1065.3113 |
697 | | 1065.7217 | And you [know, she-] | 1066.3123 |
698 | LES_int_01 | 1066.0099 | [So you commuted?] | 1066.8821 |
699 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1066.8392 | [yes. I commuted] to Bayside everyday, which was crazy. | 1070.0939 |
700 | LES_int_01 | 1067.3191 | [Yeah.] | 1067.5643 |
701 | | 1070.2804 | [That's- that's] far. | 1071.6077 |
702 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1070.4653 | [<laugh>] | 1070.9456 |
703 | | 1071.6683 | Yeah. I- I left home, I ended up leaving home at twenty-one. | 1074.9137 |
705 | | 1075.1282 | Like I- I left home and got my own apartment. | 1077.4254 |
706 | LES_int_01 | 1077.5280 | [Okay.] | 1077.9155 |
707 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1077.7592 | [I think] it was a lot of my mom's fears of me growing up. A lot of, um, | 1082.3207 |
708 | | 1082.9061 | the | 1083.4315 |
710 | | 1083.5423 | not knowing how the rent was going to be for her once I started working full [time.] | 1087.7047 |
711 | LES_int_01 | 1087.6068 | [Oh.] | 1088.4414 |
712 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1088.1757 | [Um,] I- I- I got my first full time job at, like, twenty. | 1091.7280 |
713 | | 1092.0171 | And like, I, you know, I started earning a income. And it was more than what | 1096.7064 |
715 | | 1097.0794 | she felt was | 1098.0757 |
717 | | 1098.1969 | affordable for her. | 1099.4745 |
719 | | 1099.9268 | And she didn't wanna go through the complications of living in section eight | 1102.9756 |
721 | | 1103.2180 | and giving them my income. And saying, you know, [now her rent is gonna be high.] | 1106.8776 |
722 | LES_int_01 | 1105.3995 | [Right, cause that would've-] | 1106.3134 |
724 | | 1106.6398 | [yeah.] That [affects your rent.] | 1108.4101 |
725 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1107.4465 | [And, it] affected big time. So she was like, you know, not that she pushed me out. She really didn't, but | 1113.4128 |
726 | | 1113.7157 | it was just- we just kept getting into these tug-o-war, these battles over money. [And-] | 1117.9606 |
727 | LES_int_01 | 1117.6729 | [Yeah.] | 1118.1068 |
728 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1118.4189 | and it just became | 1119.4868 |
730 | | 1119.5800 | a little bit more than what I could handle, so I- I ventured up to Harlem. | 1122.9310 |
732 | | 1123.0150 | I got my first apartment up in [Harlem.] | 1124.8568 |
733 | LES_int_01 | 1124.7729 | [Cool.] | 1125.4472 |
734 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1125.3511 | [<laugh>] | 1126.0816 |
735 | LES_int_01 | 1125.9370 | [How] was that? | 1126.6085 |
736 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1126.6691 | <laugh> [Scary as hell.] | 1129.1173 |
737 | LES_int_01 | 1127.9234 | [<laugh>] | 1129.8445 |
738 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1129.6572 | [Scary] as hell. I was- I was petrified to leave my apartment. | 1133.6525 |
739 | | 1133.9929 | I lived up on a Hundred and Thirty-Eighth Street and Lenox Avenue, which was like, in the- in the heart of central Harlem. | 1139.8516 |
741 | | 1140.1836 | Drug central. | 1141.5482 |
743 | | 1141.8467 | Prostitution. I didn't know nobody up there (laughing). I don't even know what took me up to [Harlem.] | 1148.0374 |
744 | LES_int_01 | 1147.7203 | [Yeah, now] why did you not- [/is/- you] did not wanna stay in the [neighborhood] at the [time?] | 1151.6372 |
745 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1149.0912 | [Actually,] | 1149.5998 |
747 | | 1150.8585 | [<ts>] | 1150.9673 |
749 | | 1151.1792 | [I could-] | 1151.5905 |
750 | | 1151.7429 | I didn't know that I could afford to live on the Lower East Side. And I don't think I even- | 1156.1492 |
752 | | 1156.3931 | I don't even think I looked for apartments on the Lower East Side. | 1159.0386 |
754 | | 1159.2625 | I think all the places I looked for apartments | 1161.4960 |
756 | | 1161.9623 | they started off in Harlem. Just because I worked in Harlem. I [worked at] | 1165.4718 |
757 | LES_int_01 | 1164.8015 | [Oh, you were] working in [Harlem.] | 1166.1153 |
758 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1165.8729 | [Presbyterian] Hospital, which was up like, a Hundred and Sixty-eighth Street. | 1169.1178 |
759 | LES_int_01 | 1169.4905 | So now, at this point, did you s- you stopped going to | 1172.1429 |
761 | | 1172.3154 | [school? You're working- | 1173.3273 |
762 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1172.4956 | [I stopped going to college, I- I started working] full time. I worked actually as a research assistant. | 1177.8432 |
763 | LES_int_01 | 1173.6194 | [you were working full time.] | 1174.5700 |
764 | | 1177.8712 | Mm-hm. | 1178.3428 |
765 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1178.4027 | Um, for the psychiatric institute. | 1180.3845 |
767 | | 1180.7466 | So I- I did [pretty good for myself.] I [made a] decent [salary.] | 1183.6888 |
768 | LES_int_01 | 1181.4732 | [That's great.] | 1182.1524 |
770 | | 1182.3413 | [Yeah.] | 1182.7516 |
772 | | 1183.6142 | [Yeah.] | 1184.0246 |
773 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1184.1691 | I stayed with them for about six years. | 1186.1920 |
774 | LES_int_01 | 1186.1920 | Wow. | 1186.7096 |
775 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1186.7096 | [Yeah.] | 1187.2132 |
776 | LES_int_01 | 1187.1435 | [That's] great. | 1187.7646 |
777 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1187.8893 | Until I ventured out. | 1189.0301 |
779 | | 1189.2540 | [<laugh>] | 1189.9114 |
780 | LES_int_01 | 1189.7249 | [<laugh>] | 1190.6295 |
781 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1190.3777 | [<laugh> I] got married. | 1191.4642 |
782 | LES_int_01 | 1191.6274 | [Okay.] | 1192.0032 |
783 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1191.7812 | [I had] a baby. | 1192.7698 |
784 | | 1193.1568 | And I ventured out, and I moved to Queens. I got a s- uh, two bedroom apartment. | 1197.4171 |
785 | LES_int_01 | 1197.4824 | Okay. | 1197.9160 |
786 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1198.0373 | And, um, | 1198.9822 |
788 | | 1199.1114 | in Maspeth. | 1200.0733 |
790 | | 1200.4697 | [Very quiet] | 1201.3976 |
791 | LES_int_01 | 1200.5234 | [Yeah.] | 1200.8456 |
792 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1201.5328 | neighborhood. Didn't know anything about that either. | 1203.8308 |
794 | | 1204.0686 | But my uncle, | 1204.9089 |
796 | | 1205.1504 | he worked at a shop downstairs and, um, the landlord owned the- a building | 1209.5553 |
798 | | 1209.7744 | next door to his shop. | 1210.8702 |
800 | | 1211.2479 | So he got me an apartment there. Really, you know, the rent wasn't | 1213.8295 |
802 | | 1214.0720 | all that affordable. It was like | 1215.6621 |
804 | | 1215.7693 | six hundred dollars a month. | 1217.1860 |
806 | | 1217.8342 | I went from paying three [fifty-eight or] three twenty-eight or something like that. I was paying like, | 1222.2297 |
807 | LES_int_01 | 1219.2217 | [/How was that?/] | 1220.0568 |
808 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1222.3416 | [<pp>] | 1222.8236 |
809 | LES_int_01 | 1222.3882 | [Wow.] | 1223.0413 |
810 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1223.0364 | dirt rent cheap [for] | 1224.1881 |
811 | LES_int_01 | 1223.9783 | [That] is really [something.] | 1225.1191 |
812 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1224.6668 | [a one bedroom] apartment <laugh> to paying | 1227.2733 |
813 | LES_int_01 | 1227.9215 | That's [/un-/] | 1228.5059 |
814 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1228.3590 | [double] the price for a two [bedroom.] | 1230.3806 |
815 | LES_int_01 | 1230.2102 | [Right.] | 1230.7747 |
816 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1230.8537 | In a two-fare zone, at the time. | 1232.7872 |
817 | LES_int_01 | 1232.7872 | Right. | 1233.3840 |
818 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1233.8177 | Which there was no free transfer, at that time. | 1236.2890 |
820 | | 1236.7786 | So i- it got [to be.] | 1238.2717 |
821 | LES_int_01 | 1237.6432 | [So you spent] like a total of | 1239.8778 |
822 | | 1240.2116 | eight, ten years away from the neighborhood? | 1242.2093 |
823 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1242.2932 | [<ts>] | 1242.4144 |
824 | LES_int_01 | 1242.3492 | [Cause you were in Harlem- Harlem, and then] | 1243.8956 |
825 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1243.8956 | [Queens, yep.] | 1244.9728 |
826 | LES_int_01 | 1244.3619 | [Queens.] | 1245.0940 |
827 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1245.2432 | [Mm-hm.] | 1245.7282 |
828 | LES_int_01 | 1245.4194 | [And then you came] back [when your mom passed away.] | 1247.4454 |
829 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1246.0864 | [And then I came back when my mom] passed away. | 1248.1884 |
830 | LES_int_01 | 1248.3407 | [Got it. Got it.] | 1249.0473 |
831 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1248.4878 | [Yeah.] | 1248.8201 |
832 | | 1249.3038 | So like th- the bulk of the | 1251.4470 |
834 | | 1252.7807 | early l- late eighties, early nineties. | 1255.1627 |
836 | | 1255.4515 | Actually, I don't even think I was away for that long. | 1257.5641 |
838 | | 1257.9045 | I w- I- I don't think it was a whole six years that I was gone from the [neighborhood.] | 1261.4979 |
839 | LES_int_01 | 1261.3767 | [Oh,] okay. | 1262.0095 |
840 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1262.1135 | Yeah. And then, um, I came back here, | 1264.9943 |
842 | | 1265.7264 | back to this building. | 1266.7934 |
843 | LES_int_01 | 1267.0032 | [Yeah.] | 1267.4042 |
844 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1267.2354 | [Back] to the craziness [and landlord.] | 1269.0813 |
845 | LES_int_01 | 1268.3772 | [How did that feel?] Did it- did you wanna come back? | 1270.5781 |
846 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1270.6713 | I | 1271.5433 |
848 | | 1271.8557 | didn't really wanna come back, but I think I needed to come for the sake of my brother. | 1276.0787 |
850 | | 1276.4284 | Who, um, is autistic and [he needed someone] to be here. He was | 1280.5636 |
851 | LES_int_01 | 1278.5499 | [Oh.] | 1279.3093 |
852 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1280.8061 | fifteen at the time, and | 1282.6052 |
854 | | 1283.0994 | it was- he needed to be in the neighborhood where he was familiar with. And I think his therapist and I discussed that. | 1288.8425 |
856 | | 1289.1689 | And it was really a lot for him | 1290.6537 |
858 | | 1290.9532 | making the- the move for him to come to Queens every day and, | 1294.7433 |
859 | LES_int_01 | 1294.8459 | [Yeah.] | 1295.3234 |
860 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1295.0464 | [you know,] I tried to | 1296.3287 |
861 | | 1296.5508 | have family members stay here with him. It didn't work. | 1299.3953 |
863 | | 1299.8896 | Um, | 1300.4818 |
865 | | 1300.6030 | then the landlord started | 1302.2202 |
867 | | 1302.4161 | inquiring, like, who are these | 1303.8476 |
869 | | 1303.9502 | people m- staying in and out of your mom's apartment. | 1306.5979 |
871 | | 1306.8870 | You know, somebody has to be in care of your brother. | 1309.6225 |
873 | | 1309.9069 | And so that's when I discovered I had to get custody of my brother and all these [other things that came into play.] | 1314.8644 |
874 | LES_int_01 | 1313.4228 | [Oh, wow.] | 1314.6623 |
875 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1315.2778 | And, um, | 1316.0502 |
877 | | 1316.5364 | essentially find my biological father, and | 1319.2343 |
878 | LES_int_01 | 1319.2435 | Oh my [gosh.] | 1320.3494 |
879 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1319.5839 | [file for custody] of my brother. So it- [it was- it was a- it was a] big learning experience at the age of [twenty-five. <laugh>] | 1325.9099 |
880 | LES_int_01 | 1321.9244 | [Oh, wow.] | 1322.9896 |
882 | | 1325.1836 | [Yeah.] That's a lot [of responsibility.] | 1327.7284 |
883 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1326.3625 | [<laugh> It was a lot.] It was a lot. | 1328.4232 |
884 | LES_int_01 | 1328.7480 | Oh [my gosh.] | 1329.7692 |
885 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1328.8925 | [And] | 1329.4515 |
887 | | 1329.6619 | [that's] when I learned about landlord tenant court. | 1332.2498 |
888 | | 1332.4037 | [<laugh>] | 1334.4025 |
889 | LES_int_01 | 1332.7471 | [<laugh>] | 1335.6288 |
890 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1334.8128 | [All that] stuff. Um, I learned that my income was too high for this building at the time. | 1340.1596 |
891 | | 1340.5233 | They jacked my rent up to like, nine hundred dollars a [month. And my brother was on] a fixed income, and | 1345.8335 |
892 | LES_int_01 | 1343.3901 | [Oh no.] | 1344.4133 |
893 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1346.2290 | I was, you know, trying to make ends meet with a husband and a kid and. | 1349.5482 |
894 | LES_int_01 | 1349.8187 | [Yeah.] | 1350.8244 |
895 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1350.4109 | [<sigh>] It was- [it was a lot.] | 1351.8144 |
896 | LES_int_01 | 1351.1476 | [What were you working-] doing for work at the [time?] | 1353.1213 |
897 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1352.6288 | [I was still] working up at the hospital. | 1354.5966 |
898 | | 1355.1701 | <ts> So my- my i- my income was pretty good. I mean, you know. | 1357.9344 |
900 | | 1358.2934 | Wasn't, you know, the greatest but it was like twenty-one thousand at that time, in the [nineties and the early- it was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, for that] time it was decent salary. | 1365.7983 |
901 | LES_int_01 | 1362.0913 | [That's pretty good for that time. Yeah, yeah.] | 1364.2082 |
902 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1366.2086 | And, um, so they- | 1367.4614 |
903 | LES_int_01 | 1367.5360 | [Mm-hm.] | 1367.8157 |
904 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1367.6199 | [they] jacked my rent [up.] | 1368.9675 |
905 | LES_int_01 | 1368.7063 | [Oh] my gosh. | 1370.0632 |
906 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1370.1052 | And then when I left the hospital I started working | 1372.3248 |
908 | | 1372.6962 | as a case manager in Brooklyn, so my- my income went up even higher. | 1376.5711 |
910 | | 1376.9136 | And they raised my rent even higher. (laughing) | 1378.8636 |
912 | | 1379.1340 | I was almost paying about a thousand dollars a month for rent in here. | 1381.5821 |
913 | LES_int_01 | 1381.7499 | [Oh my gosh.] | 1383.1286 |
914 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1381.9395 | [And- and- and it- it was] the same conditions. | 1384.4668 |
915 | LES_int_01 | 1384.6673 | And you- and did you end up | 1385.8443 |
917 | | 1386.0662 | taking the landlord to | 1387.4417 |
918 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1387.7402 | Oh I- [they] took me to court. They actually tried to sue me for all the back rent after my mom passed away. | 1392.9936 |
919 | LES_int_01 | 1388.1536 | [court?] | 1388.4846 |
920 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1393.2175 | [They did sue me for all the back] rent. Um, | 1395.6359 |
921 | LES_int_01 | 1393.2308 | [Oh] | 1393.4871 |
923 | | 1393.6824 | [god.] | 1394.5611 |
924 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1395.9483 | they said that I never claimed my income. | 1398.0653 |
926 | | 1398.4336 | And they sued me for the back rent. I ended up paying all the stuff, yeah. | 1402.1484 |
927 | LES_int_01 | 1402.5401 | [That's terrible.] | 1403.9684 |
928 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1402.5707 | [Yep.] | 1402.8152 |
930 | | 1403.2332 | [Yep.] | 1403.5503 |
932 | | 1403.9187 | [And] I owed them, like, | 1405.1730 |
933 | | 1405.2756 | a- | 1405.5927 |
935 | | 1405.7419 | I- I guess it was something like ten thousand dollars. | 1408.1619 |
937 | | 1408.5489 | They made me pay them [back] | 1409.7550 |
938 | LES_int_01 | 1409.6105 | [Oh my gosh.] | 1411.2705 |
939 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1409.9369 | [in order to live here. Yeah.] | 1411.3124 |
940 | | 1411.5969 | So I had to take out a loan. Had to pay the loan [back. Ah, it was crazy.] | 1415.8207 |
941 | LES_int_01 | 1414.4451 | [Oh, no.] | 1415.9326 |
942 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1416.1051 | Just to stay here. | 1417.2037 |
944 | | 1417.5172 | <laugh> | 1418.1513 |
945 | LES_int_01 | 1418.2772 | So you're working as a case worker, you said, how long did you do [that?] | 1421.3248 |
946 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1421.0741 | [<ts> I] stayed there for about two years doing case management. | 1423.6791 |
947 | LES_int_01 | 1423.6791 | Mm-hm. | 1424.0661 |
948 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1424.1687 | And I | 1425.4269 |
950 | | 1425.5108 | lost my job in, um, believe it was ninety-five- | 1431.0962 |
952 | | 1432.2043 | was my youngest son. Yeah, about ninety-five, I lost my job. | 1435.5930 |
953 | LES_int_01 | 1435.7248 | Mm-hm. | 1436.0514 |
954 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1436.1492 | And, um, | 1437.0771 |
956 | | 1437.4454 | I | 1437.9334 |
958 | | 1438.3205 | got pregnant with my youngest son [and] I believe at that time, um, | 1442.4658 |
959 | LES_int_01 | 1440.2309 | [Uh-huh.] | 1440.5353 |
960 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1442.8007 | you know, I just went to school. | 1443.8126 |
962 | | 1443.9151 | I was going to school. I took up, um, medical assistant. I just decided to just go back to school. | 1448.9945 |
963 | LES_int_01 | 1449.1323 | Yeah. | 1449.4531 |
964 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1449.5510 | And, um, | 1450.5752 |
966 | | 1450.7011 | did that for about a year. And after the birth of my youngest son in ninety-six, | 1454.4221 |
968 | | 1454.7080 | I got really, really sick. | 1455.8520 |
970 | | 1456.4489 | [So,] | 1456.9991 |
971 | LES_int_01 | 1456.5794 | [Oh you did?] | 1457.3488 |
972 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1457.5307 | I got really sick and I ended up being a- | 1459.7782 |
974 | | 1459.8854 | out | 1460.2352 |
976 | | 1460.4166 | from work completely, and um, being on disability. | 1463.8329 |
977 | LES_int_01 | 1463.9925 | Oh, [no.] | 1464.6529 |
978 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1464.3462 | [And I stayed] on disability for about | 1466.3916 |
979 | | 1466.5409 | ten years of my [life.] | 1467.6511 |
980 | LES_int_01 | 1467.5341 | [Oh] my gosh. I'm so sorry. | 1469.6892 |
981 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1470.2385 | <ts> [Yep.] | 1470.7468 |
982 | LES_int_01 | 1470.5601 | [Wow.] | 1471.1944 |
983 | | 1471.5425 | Are you | 1472.2979 |
985 | | 1472.3952 | feeling- doing better [now?] | 1473.7901 |
986 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1473.5849 | [Doing] better now, still have a health [condition.] | 1476.2373 |
987 | LES_int_01 | 1476.0787 | [You look] | 1476.4611 |
988 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1476.3399 | [<laugh>] | 1476.6383 |
989 | LES_int_01 | 1476.6383 | picture of [health.] | 1477.5289 |
990 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1477.3237 | [<laugh>] | 1478.2990 |
991 | LES_int_01 | 1478.0232 | [I'm] surprised to hear [that.] | 1479.4570 |
992 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1479.3093 | [Doing better.] | 1480.1380 |
993 | LES_int_01 | 1480.0930 | [Oh.] | 1480.7494 |
994 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1480.2364 | [Um,] I'm living, you know, life with lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, [so.] | 1484.3530 |
995 | LES_int_01 | 1484.1711 | [Oh, I'm sorry.] | 1485.4013 |
996 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1484.6646 | [I'll be living with that.] | 1485.6449 |
997 | | 1485.7697 | But it's okay, you know, it comes and it goes. You get symptoms, it [goes and it comes.] | 1489.6811 |
998 | LES_int_01 | 1489.1910 | [Yeah.] | 1489.8443 |
999 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1490.1331 | And, [um, had a home attendant.] I went through that whole process | 1493.9693 |
1000 | LES_int_01 | 1490.7122 | [Oh my gosh.] | 1491.6939 |
1001 | | 1494.1145 | Oh my [gosh.] | 1494.9780 |
1002 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1494.4729 | [And now I'm back] at work full time. | 1495.9924 |
1003 | LES_int_01 | 1496.5060 | Now you're back at [working.] And you- what are you doing now? | 1498.5560 |
1004 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1497.0919 | [/?/] | 1497.3950 |
1005 | | 1498.5654 | I am a site coordinator at an after school program in Brooklyn. I work for one of the | 1503.2368 |
1007 | | 1503.6238 | oldest organizations on the Lower East Side, um, /RD-WORK-8/. | 1507.0121 |
1008 | LES_int_01 | 1507.0774 | Oh, right. Right. | 1507.9634 |
1010 | | 1508.0753 | When I call [you,] that- I n- I knew- I knew you worked for them. But you | 1511.7387 |
1011 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1508.9426 | [Yep.] | 1509.2503 |
1012 | LES_int_01 | 1511.8413 | are on site somewhere else [in Brooklyn?] | 1513.5060 |
1013 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1513.0537 | [I'm out] in Brooklyn now, so I went from working at /RD-WORK-5/ on Third Street | 1517.7857 |
1014 | LES_int_01 | 1517.9333 | Yeah. | 1518.2830 |
1015 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1518.3063 | and, um, | 1519.2809 |
1017 | | 1519.4068 | they moved me out to Brooklyn when we opened up our first site in Brooklyn. | 1523.1017 |
1018 | LES_int_01 | 1523.1635 | That's great. [How do you like] it? | 1524.5654 |
1019 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1523.7930 | [Yeah.] | 1524.1572 |
1020 | | 1524.6323 | I love it. I love the kids. I love the- the families that I work with, they're awesome people. | 1528.8561 |
1022 | | 1529.2757 | Um, different- very much the same because we're all kind of like, in the same boat. Everybody's | 1534.2207 |
1024 | | 1534.7429 | low-income, working [class] families [just trying to make it.] | 1537.7458 |
1025 | LES_int_01 | 1535.7874 | [S-] | 1536.0066 |
1027 | | 1536.6376 | [working them all.] | 1537.6767 |
1028 | | 1537.8577 | [Yeah.] | 1538.2293 |
1029 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1538.1422 | [Yeah.] | 1538.6138 |
1030 | LES_int_01 | 1538.7950 | That's [nice.] | 1539.7010 |
1031 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1539.0740 | [Yeah.] | 1539.4283 |
1033 | | 1539.5610 | [Yeah.] | 1539.9644 |
1034 | LES_int_01 | 1540.2902 | That's great. | 1540.8518 |
1035 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1540.9943 | Yeah. | 1541.3906 |
1036 | LES_int_01 | 1542.0197 | Good life history. | 1543.1336 |
1037 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1543.1571 | [<laugh>] | 1544.1816 |
1038 | LES_int_01 | 1543.5176 | [I think we've hit everything], I think. Um, <ts> | 1545.5961 |
1039 | | 1545.9459 | so let me ask you some of your opinions about the neighborhood. I mean, you've- | 1548.7556 |
1041 | | 1549.1519 | you've come and gone so many times in your life. | 1552.1913 |
1043 | | 1552.7781 | How do you see | 1553.9485 |
1044 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1554.0604 | [<ts>] | 1554.1518 |
1046 | | 1554.4894 | [I don't-] | 1554.8997 |
1047 | LES_int_01 | 1554.4894 | [these great] changes that [have happened?] | 1556.6459 |
1048 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1555.7094 | [it's-] | 1556.3389 |
1050 | | 1556.4508 | [it's] so interesting. The Lower East Side is just one of those places that I just- | 1560.5542 |
1051 | | 1560.8480 | I guess I just gravitated back to it because it's such a strong sense | 1564.7539 |
1053 | | 1565.0243 | of community here. | 1566.0035 |
1055 | | 1566.3113 | People know you, people remember you, people recognize you from your childhood [years.] | 1570.9988 |
1056 | LES_int_01 | 1570.9399 | [Yeah.] | 1571.3922 |
1057 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1571.4435 | People that I grew up with, | 1572.6403 |
1059 | | 1572.7569 | um, | 1573.2418 |
1061 | | 1573.3537 | they never forget your face. They always ask about my brothers, they ask about my, | 1577.6867 |
1063 | | 1578.0103 | you know, how I was doing with, you know, without my mom. [And] | 1580.8454 |
1064 | LES_int_01 | 1580.7241 | [Yeah.] | 1581.1811 |
1065 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1581.2371 | you know, they remember me. | 1582.4012 |
1067 | | 1582.4991 | And people that knew me from when I was two | 1585.4943 |
1069 | | 1585.9404 | still remember my family, you know. Like if I see them in the street, oh, I remember you when you were two years old. | 1590.7135 |
1071 | | 1590.9747 | And you used to hang out in the [window.] | 1592.6067 |
1072 | LES_int_01 | 1592.5274 | [Wow.] | 1593.2893 |
1073 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1593.0362 | [And you would] talk to me in the window, and, you know. | 1595.3982 |
1074 | | 1595.8498 | People like that, you know, people never forget you. | 1598.1912 |
1075 | LES_int_01 | 1598.3257 | And you [still] feel that? That that exists [today?] | 1600.7262 |
1076 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1598.5356 | [M-] | 1598.6474 |
1078 | | 1600.6618 | [It's] a strong sense of community here. I think [that] | 1603.1463 |
1079 | LES_int_01 | 1602.8619 | [That's great.] | 1603.5570 |
1080 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1603.5100 | [once] you live on the Lower East Side, and once you know who your neighbors are, | 1606.9335 |
1081 | | 1607.5558 | they- | 1608.1464 |
1083 | | 1608.2396 | you're really connected to you neighbors. Like, the new people that move in, I don't think they feel the same sense that we feel. | 1613.9517 |
1084 | LES_int_01 | 1614.1786 | [Right.] | 1614.6270 |
1085 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1614.4817 | [Um,] the true Lower East Siders that have been here like, my neighbors that have been here when we first moved in. | 1619.4608 |
1086 | LES_int_01 | 1619.4608 | Yeah. | 1619.8832 |
1087 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1620.1043 | They | 1620.6137 |
1089 | | 1620.9903 | always ask about how you doing, how's your kids doing, [how's you family.] | 1624.9148 |
1090 | LES_int_01 | 1623.9916 | [Yeah.] | 1624.3879 |
1091 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1625.2219 | And it's genuine, it's not just being nosy, you know. | 1627.7134 |
1093 | | 1627.8136 | some people, you know, you know they're just being [nosy.] | 1630.0836 |
1094 | LES_int_01 | 1629.6080 | [Right.] (laughing) | 1630.3060 |
1095 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1630.5079 | But even in their nosiness, I know that there's a genuine concern. | 1633.4002 |
1096 | LES_int_01 | 1633.4409 | [Yeah.] | 1633.9749 |
1097 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1633.7626 | [You know,] like, um, | 1634.7372 |
1098 | | 1634.8257 | so a lot of them know you family history | 1636.8945 |
1099 | LES_int_01 | 1636.9411 | [Okay.] | 1637.3421 |
1100 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1637.2908 | [and] they can remember when, | 1638.7969 |
1101 | | 1639.0394 | you know, they- they know all the good, the bad, and the [ugly.] | 1642.2739 |
1102 | LES_int_01 | 1642.2226 | [Right.] | 1642.6422 |
1103 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1642.7681 | Um, and we all just kind of came up together, so you know each other. [You know, you can't] run away from it. | 1648.4040 |
1104 | LES_int_01 | 1646.7300 | [Yeah.] | 1647.2243 |
1105 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1648.9495 | And they know that you're connected to them in some kind of way. | 1651.9333 |
1106 | LES_int_01 | 1651.9415 | Yeah. | 1652.4031 |
1107 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1652.5018 | Um, | 1652.9953 |
1109 | | 1653.5689 | <ts> I think the neighborhood has changed in a way where there's a lot of upper income | 1657.4684 |
1111 | | 1657.6286 | families that have moved into the community, | 1659.8342 |
1112 | LES_int_01 | 1659.8575 | Yeah. | 1660.2352 |
1113 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1660.2352 | that can afford to go back and forth. | 1662.1967 |
1114 | | 1662.6354 | If they wanted to, they can leave the Lower East Side at any given time. | 1666.1306 |
1116 | | 1666.2285 | [And- and] they can afford to leave. | 1667.8419 |
1117 | LES_int_01 | 1666.2938 | [Yeah.] | 1666.6715 |
1118 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1668.1076 | Whereas the people that really live here | 1670.2207 |
1120 | | 1670.6629 | they can't afford to leave. | 1672.0835 |
1121 | LES_int_01 | 1672.0835 | [Yeah.] | 1672.5000 |
1122 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1672.2280 | [It's like,] they don't | 1672.9881 |
1123 | | 1673.1047 | know any other community. They don't know how to, | 1675.3150 |
1125 | | 1675.7485 | you know, like I know I could walk to Fourteenth Street. | 1678.1250 |
1127 | | 1678.8105 | I know [that.] | 1679.4893 |
1128 | LES_int_01 | 1679.4260 | [Yeah.] | 1679.9482 |
1129 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1679.9774 | I know I could get to the doctor's office, whether it's East Side, West Side, or wherever. I know | 1685.3862 |
1131 | | 1685.6960 | where I could get to, | 1686.7125 |
1133 | | 1686.8197 | you know. | 1687.2564 |
1135 | | 1687.3543 | [And I] have a strong sense of where I'm at. | 1689.7511 |
1136 | LES_int_01 | 1687.3543 | [Yeah.] | 1687.8623 |
1137 | | 1689.8630 | [Right.] | 1690.3216 |
1138 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1690.0402 | [So] even with my eyes closed, I know where I am at all times. If you tell me | 1693.7269 |
1139 | | 1693.9787 | oh, you're on | 1694.8600 |
1141 | | 1695.1211 | Avenue A | 1696.1423 |
1143 | | 1696.3335 | and Second Street. Oh, okay. I know exactly where I am, I know the stores that are on that block, you know, | 1700.8362 |
1144 | LES_int_01 | 1700.8362 | In your [mind.] | 1701.3285 |
1145 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1701.1487 | [I] know that. | 1701.8248 |
1146 | LES_int_01 | 1701.8574 | Yeah. | 1702.4620 |
1147 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1702.7871 | Whereas, | 1703.3124 |
1149 | | 1703.8049 | the transient people that come here, I call them transient because they d- they- they- they really don't know. | 1708.3738 |
1151 | | 1708.7748 | You know, [they're-] | 1709.3607 |
1152 | LES_int_01 | 1709.2555 | [Planning not to stay.] | 1710.5224 |
1153 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1709.5029 | [they're trying to find-] they- yeah that- they- | 1711.4170 |
1154 | | 1711.5616 | they're not gonna stay long. | 1712.8579 |
1155 | LES_int_01 | 1712.9884 | [Yeah.] | 1713.3988 |
1156 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1713.1470 | [If they] stay it's because they don't wanna lose that low, | 1715.7755 |
1157 | | 1715.8819 | uh, income or affordable apartment that they have. | 1718.4098 |
1159 | | 1718.6429 | That somebody had to | 1719.7247 |
1161 | | 1720.0687 | sweat | 1720.6137 |
1163 | | 1720.9228 | and earn to get. | 1722.2173 |
1165 | | 1722.6106 | Or somebody put their blood, sweat, and tears into. | 1724.9456 |
1166 | LES_int_01 | 1725.1485 | [Yeah.] | 1725.5272 |
1167 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1725.2152 | [You know,] they fixed up their apartments like it's their homes, you know. | 1728.4178 |
1168 | LES_int_01 | 1728.4598 | [Yeah.] | 1728.9721 |
1169 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1728.6556 | [Like, they] painted all these nice colors and they put fancy tiles and, | 1732.6742 |
1170 | | 1732.9494 | you know, they do all these things because this is where they assume they gonna be for the rest of their [lives.] | 1737.4875 |
1171 | LES_int_01 | 1737.3355 | [Right, right.] | 1738.1889 |
1172 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1738.0800 | [People] don't really see themselves as leaving here. | 1740.6446 |
1173 | LES_int_01 | 1740.7891 | [Yeah.] | 1741.2855 |
1174 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1741.1435 | [You know.] | 1741.6798 |
1175 | LES_int_01 | 1741.6378 | [Yeah.] | 1742.1225 |
1176 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1742.2300 | Um, | 1742.7616 |
1177 | LES_int_01 | 1743.3677 | [Now there's] a couple of periods that a lot of people talk about, I'm just curious if you see these as periods or experience that, but you know, the seventies and eighties as being kind of a | 1752.8395 |
1178 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1743.4322 | [m-] | 1743.5948 |
1179 | LES_int_01 | 1753.0392 | period where there was | 1753.8218 |
1181 | | 1753.9710 | a lot more crime. And there was- | 1755.9248 |
1183 | | 1756.0274 | there were drugs in the neighborhood. | 1757.6267 |
1185 | | 1757.9983 | Is that something that | 1759.0303 |
1187 | | 1759.4017 | you experienced yourself or saw, you feel is still the same or different? | 1763.3605 |
1188 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1763.5144 | Well, I can tell you on Thirteenth Street | 1766.1427 |
1190 | | 1766.6508 | we didn't really have a lot of- of drugs | 1768.7958 |
1192 | | 1769.1833 | at that time, in the eighties. I think, like, | 1771.3413 |
1194 | | 1771.7319 | it- it wasn't a lot of, like, | 1773.2053 |
1196 | | 1773.3079 | on that particular block where we [lived, it was pretty] decent. | 1776.2354 |
1197 | LES_int_01 | 1775.0604 | [Yeah.] | 1775.4660 |
1198 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1776.5525 | But if you went the block down, | 1778.4067 |
1200 | | 1778.5420 | to between, like, B and C, | 1780.2999 |
1202 | | 1780.5843 | and then D, | 1781.4797 |
1204 | | 1781.7687 | it- [it got-] | 1782.3236 |
1205 | LES_int_01 | 1781.9832 | /[If,] uh,/ you went to the Ave. | 1783.4457 |
1206 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1783.4830 | yeah. It got progressively [worse. And you] know there was a lot of drug use. And that's the reason why my mom | 1788.2664 |
1207 | LES_int_01 | 1785.1337 | [Yeah.] | 1785.5767 |
1208 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1788.5275 | didn't let us go beyond a certain point. | 1790.3087 |
1210 | | 1790.6258 | That's why we couldn't go | 1791.7526 |
1212 | | 1791.9298 | beyond Tenth Street without my mom. [Because] | 1794.0841 |
1213 | LES_int_01 | 1793.7437 | [Right.] | 1794.1979 |
1214 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1794.2986 | then it was avid drug use going on. | 1796.3673 |
1215 | LES_int_01 | 1796.3673 | [Okay.] | 1796.6890 |
1216 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1796.6471 | [And] | 1797.0527 |
1217 | | 1797.4164 | you know, um, even on this block when we first moved here on /RD-ADDRESS-3/, it was rough. | 1803.1463 |
1218 | LES_int_01 | 1803.2193 | Really? | 1803.6204 |
1219 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1803.6204 | Really, really [rough.] | 1804.9715 |
1220 | LES_int_01 | 1804.8467 | [This] was [you said, nineteen eighty-five?] | 1807.4859 |
1221 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1805.3643 | [All of Forsyth Street.] | 1807.1960 |
1223 | | 1807.3499 | [Yeah,] eighty-five. It was really bad. It was a lot of prostitution on Forsyth. | 1811.5280 |
1224 | LES_int_01 | 1811.5280 | Really? | 1812.0127 |
1225 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1812.1006 | Forsyth was over w- overrun with [prostitution and] | 1815.6474 |
1226 | LES_int_01 | 1815.1112 | [Oh.] | 1815.3816 |
1227 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1815.9505 | heavy drug use. | 1817.0276 |
1229 | | 1817.3447 | That park across the street was | 1819.1631 |
1231 | | 1819.3318 | extremely dangerous | 1821.3159 |
1233 | | 1821.6268 | at night. Lot of drug use, a lot of crack and [cocaine going on.] | 1825.3905 |
1234 | LES_int_01 | 1824.5798 | [Oh, yeah.] | 1825.5910 |
1235 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1825.9090 | Um, a lot of IV drug use going on, [at that] particular time. | 1829.7534 |
1236 | LES_int_01 | 1828.4757 | [Yeah.] | 1828.8284 |
1237 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1830.0611 | The Bowery was overrun, this- this, um, | 1832.9645 |
1239 | | 1833.3842 | Sunshine Hotel that was right here- that's still here on the [corner.] | 1836.6088 |
1240 | LES_int_01 | 1836.4197 | [Yeah.] | 1836.7694 |
1241 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1837.0445 | It- it's a- a little SRO. A- it's- it- it was incredibly overwhelmed with- with a lot of drug use. | 1843.9665 |
1242 | LES_int_01 | 1843.9665 | [Wow.] | 1844.5180 |
1243 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1844.3489 | [So] at night, we- you know, we didn't go outside at [night.] | 1847.4528 |
1244 | LES_int_01 | 1847.0658 | [Did you ever] have any bad experiences, um, muggings [or, you know.] | 1851.1815 |
1245 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1850.6266 | [No, but] it was a [lot of-] | 1852.1514 |
1246 | LES_int_01 | 1851.8623 | [Did you ever] feel scared? | 1852.9899 |
1247 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1853.2676 | Of course. | 1854.0119 |
1249 | | 1854.1471 | Cause like, my mom made friends with all the alcoholics b- she made her business | 1858.2302 |
1251 | | 1858.5333 | to let the alcoholics in the neighborhood, the homeless men, know who her kids were. | 1862.4252 |
1253 | | 1862.7936 | So they knew to look out for [us. And my] mom would feed them on Sunday so | 1866.9296 |
1254 | LES_int_01 | 1864.6206 | [Right.] | 1865.0734 |
1255 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1867.1712 | she knew that we would be okay | 1868.9928 |
1257 | | 1869.2260 | coming home. Like, oh I knew your mother. Your mother's /RD-NAME-2/, right? Yeah, okay. | 1872.8491 |
1259 | | 1873.1148 | And like, oh, your mother's from South Carolina. And she knew. | 1875.9361 |
1261 | | 1876.2840 | She knew | 1876.9508 |
1263 | | 1877.4404 | how to blend in and make friends with the people | 1880.5723 |
1265 | | 1880.7681 | so that we would be okay. | 1882.0364 |
1266 | LES_int_01 | 1882.0364 | Yeah. | 1882.5574 |
1267 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1882.8564 | Um, | 1883.3077 |
1269 | | 1883.9902 | <cough> excuse me. In this building, | 1885.8631 |
1271 | | 1886.6231 | <ts> actually there's only six black families, and maybe like | 1889.3874 |
1273 | | 1889.6858 | three that came in- | 1890.8469 |
1275 | | 1891.8354 | <cough> [excuse me.] | 1892.7897 |
1276 | LES_int_01 | 1892.5006 | [Really,] that few? | 1893.3726 |
1277 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1893.3959 | When we came in [here.] | 1894.4357 |
1278 | LES_int_01 | 1894.2166 | [I'm surprised.] | 1895.0627 |
1279 | | 1895.2611 | Oh, [okay.] | 1895.8996 |
1280 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1895.7639 | [<cough> Excuse me.] | 1896.7291 |
1281 | LES_int_01 | 1896.3607 | [Are you okay?] Yeah, d- don't worry about it. | 1897.7456 |
1282 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1899.6325 | <cough> I'm sorry, [my mouth got really dry.] | 1901.6424 |
1283 | LES_int_01 | 1900.4298 | [Do you- No, that's okay.] Do you want me to get you some water?] | 1902.5375 |
1284 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1902.9804 | Get some water.] | 1903.5819 |
1285 | LES_int_01 | 1904.3124 | Feel free to, um, yeah. | 1905.0025 |
1287 | | 1905.3569 | The clip, no worries. | 1906.0703 |
1289 | | 1906.3221 | I'll just pause it. | 1906.9607 |
1290 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1909.3794 | Would you care for some [water?] | 1910.6188 |
1291 | LES_int_01 | 1910.5498 | [No,] I'm fine. Thank you so much. | 1912.3263 |
1292 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1915.6782 | Yeah, it's very few black families that live here. | 1917.8168 |
1294 | | 1918.2412 | He refuses to take more. | 1919.4582 |
1295 | LES_int_01 | 1920.6006 | Is that r- true? | 1921.4111 |
1296 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1921.4997 | Yeah. | 1921.8215 |
1297 | LES_int_01 | 1922.1432 | S- | 1922.4183 |
1299 | | 1922.9685 | is that, [I mean-] | 1924.1818 |
1300 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1923.7659 | [He doesn't want] m- more black families in this building. | 1925.8579 |
1301 | LES_int_01 | 1926.0445 | That's so funny. | 1926.9024 |
1302 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1926.9024 | [Yeah.] | 1927.3081 |
1303 | LES_int_01 | 1927.0610 | [And so] what's the make up here then? | 1928.6230 |
1304 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1928.9121 | Asian. | 1929.3998 |
1305 | LES_int_01 | 1929.9520 | Huh. | 1930.2843 |
1306 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1930.5628 | Asian and Dominican. | 1931.5451 |
1307 | LES_int_01 | 1932.1495 | Oh. | 1932.6921 |
1309 | | 1934.6552 | Is that- I mean, that- | 1935.4658 |
1311 | | 1935.7922 | that | 1935.9837 |
1313 | | 1936.4916 | doesn't seem right. | 1937.1192 |
1314 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1938.0143 | He refuses to take more. | 1939.3437 |
1315 | LES_int_01 | 1940.1457 | [That's-] | 1940.6326 |
1316 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1940.5607 | [Yeah.] | 1941.0130 |
1317 | | 1941.1482 | [Thank you.] | 1941.5866 |
1318 | LES_int_01 | 1941.2555 | [that's terrible.] | 1941.8476 |
1319 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1942.7663 | Yep. | 1943.1113 |
1320 | LES_int_01 | 1943.8185 | Um, okay so- so you did sort of see some of the | 1947.7389 |
1322 | | 1948.1997 | sort of quote unquote bad period. I mean, did- has it seemed to get better as [you've noticed?] | 1953.0863 |
1323 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1952.2987 | [<sigh> Well,] my brother fell victim of the neighborhood. Um, | 1955.8222 |
1324 | | 1956.2745 | he began, you know, smoking marijuana at the age of ten. Hanging out | 1960.4649 |
1326 | | 1960.8553 | in the neighborhood, you know, where my mom didn't want him to go on the Ave, he hung out there. And | 1965.8583 |
1327 | LES_int_01 | 1966.0351 | [Yeah.] | 1966.4505 |
1328 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1966.4038 | [then] when we moved over to this side of town, | 1968.5954 |
1329 | | 1969.3321 | he still | 1970.0673 |
1331 | | 1970.1792 | hung out with those kids, even though she | 1971.9791 |
1333 | | 1972.3614 | kept us in organization. She- we belonged to different things. We belonged to a church | 1976.6030 |
1335 | | 1977.0787 | um, in the community. [So] like, we did everything here on the Lower East Side except, you know, visit relatives that all lived in Queens. | 1983.5997 |
1336 | LES_int_01 | 1978.4268 | [Yeah.] | 1978.6924 |
1337 | | 1983.7302 | Yeah. | 1984.1545 |
1338 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1984.7001 | But, um, | 1985.4135 |
1340 | | 1986.3414 | <ts> my brother fell | 1987.4403 |
1342 | | 1987.5429 | into the trap of- of the | 1990.0049 |
1344 | | 1990.3499 | hanging out and party scene. [And] | 1992.5928 |
1345 | LES_int_01 | 1992.4203 | [Yeah.] | 1992.8586 |
1346 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1992.9129 | you know, and he's five years younger than me. | 1994.6895 |
1347 | LES_int_01 | 1994.7501 | Okay. | 1995.1884 |
1348 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 1995.3236 | And, um, | 1995.9904 |
1350 | | 1996.7971 | <ts> he was far more exposed to things that | 1998.8938 |
1352 | | 1999.2948 | I wasn't. Like, | 2000.1854 |
1354 | | 2000.2974 | I just came and went, like I had friends from school, but my brother had friends | 2003.9328 |
1356 | | 2004.1846 | like, real true friends from the community. And | 2006.6823 |
1358 | | 2006.9659 | he was very much connected to them. | 2008.5335 |
1359 | LES_int_01 | 2008.6221 | Okay. | 2009.0630 |
1360 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2009.3728 | Yeah. [So he started] using drugs and hanging out and got a part of the party scene. [And] | 2014.1274 |
1361 | LES_int_01 | 2009.7552 | [Yeah.] | 2010.1375 |
1363 | | 2014.0201 | [Yeah.] | 2014.4305 |
1364 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2014.4538 | essentially went to jail, and | 2016.4262 |
1366 | | 2016.8085 | you know. [So] he fell. He fell into the [trap.] | 2019.0646 |
1367 | LES_int_01 | 2017.1239 | [Yeah.] | 2017.4475 |
1369 | | 2019.0180 | [Yeah.] | 2019.3817 |
1370 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2019.3817 | Yeah. | 2019.7733 |
1371 | LES_int_01 | 2019.7904 | Yeah, so you've experience first hand that | 2021.9307 |
1373 | | 2022.5555 | influence [that the drug scene had.] | 2025.1994 |
1374 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2023.1710 | [<ts> Very much so.] | 2024.3554 |
1376 | | 2024.9989 | [Yep.] | 2025.3439 |
1377 | LES_int_01 | 2026.4194 | And- and has it decreased? I mean, | 2028.5038 |
1379 | | 2028.6436 | do [you-] | 2029.0946 |
1380 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2028.8255 | [I think] | 2029.7954 |
1381 | | 2029.9259 | it hasn't really decreased. I think it's become more indoors, and I think it's gotten [into now] | 2034.9929 |
1382 | LES_int_01 | 2034.4269 | [oh.] | 2034.7941 |
1383 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2035.2960 | the bar scene. | 2036.3830 |
1384 | LES_int_01 | 2036.7415 | [Huh.] | 2037.2335 |
1385 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2037.1223 | [So] the alcohol | 2038.6954 |
1386 | | 2039.3465 | has progressed and all of the drugs have gone inside these little night lounges and | 2044.0431 |
1388 | | 2044.3481 | clubs and stuff like that. [So I think that's] what's going on now. | 2047.3929 |
1389 | LES_int_01 | 2045.4066 | [Right.] | 2046.0641 |
1390 | | 2047.5686 | [Okay.] | 2048.0909 |
1391 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2047.8157 | [We have] | 2048.3701 |
1392 | | 2048.4592 | way too many bars in the community. Just way too many. I think [that] | 2052.8602 |
1393 | LES_int_01 | 2052.8089 | [So many.] | 2053.7580 |
1394 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2053.2705 | [the Lower East] Side has become | 2054.9399 |
1395 | | 2055.0844 | over | 2055.7962 |
1397 | | 2055.9554 | run | 2056.5701 |
1399 | | 2056.8407 | with | 2057.1485 |
1401 | | 2057.2510 | bars and lounges. | 2058.9390 |
1402 | LES_int_01 | 2059.0136 | [Yes.] | 2059.4799 |
1403 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2059.4457 | [And] the people that spill out into the streets at night is ridiculous. | 2063.5237 |
1404 | | 2064.0659 | I don't remember being a kid, having so many bars in this neighborhood. In fact, we didn't. | 2067.9664 |
1406 | | 2068.5262 | In this community, at the time when I was a kid, it was penny candy stores and the local | 2072.9470 |
1408 | | 2073.2886 | grocery store. Everybody had a bodega on every corner, there was a [bodega. And, you know,] | 2077.3472 |
1409 | LES_int_01 | 2076.7504 | [Yeah.] | 2077.1611 |
1410 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2077.7016 | um, | 2078.2238 |
1412 | | 2079.2574 | <ts> everybody's family owned a little stand or a sandwich shop [or something] like that. | 2083.6498 |
1413 | LES_int_01 | 2082.7406 | [Yeah.] | 2083.1469 |
1414 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2084.0679 | There wasn't these bars that you see now. The bars were not really | 2087.9661 |
1416 | | 2088.0640 | in our community. Like, | 2089.4333 |
1418 | | 2090.1467 | now on every block there's like, two and three [bars.] | 2093.3249 |
1419 | LES_int_01 | 2093.0704 | [I know.] | 2093.7978 |
1420 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2093.9138 | [And it's ridiculous.] Not even restaurants, but a bar. | 2096.7804 |
1421 | LES_int_01 | 2093.9138 | [I know.] | 2094.4174 |
1422 | | 2096.9576 | Right. | 2097.3306 |
1423 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2097.3306 | And | 2097.6850 |
1424 | | 2097.7643 | everybody has to have a liquor license because if you're on the Lower East Side, of course you have to have alcohol. | 2102.4955 |
1426 | | 2102.8033 | You can't be | 2103.7872 |
1428 | | 2104.0903 | a- a restaurant on the Lower East Side and not serve [alcohol.] | 2107.2133 |
1429 | LES_int_01 | 2107.1522 | [Yeah.] | 2107.5905 |
1430 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2107.6231 | So it is really [ridiculous.] | 2110.4612 |
1431 | LES_int_01 | 2110.3633 | [Yeah.] | 2110.8110 |
1432 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2111.1234 | You know, like, my kids are so over-exposed. Like, they always laugh about the people | 2115.3005 |
1434 | | 2115.7202 | that are, you know, the neighborhood alcoholics. And they're like, laughing mommy you shoulda heard the fight last night. | 2121.7197 |
1436 | | 2122.0694 | You know, the- the spill outs into the street at three and four o'clock in the morning. [And stuff that] they | 2126.9686 |
1437 | LES_int_01 | 2126.1292 | [Yeah.] | 2126.6841 |
1438 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2127.3183 | you know, at three or four in the morning you should be sleeping. | 2129.5764 |
1440 | | 2129.7274 | Not them, cause they hear everything that goes on. | 2131.9656 |
1441 | LES_int_01 | 2131.9656 | [Wow.] | 2132.5461 |
1442 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2132.4738 | [You] know. The bar fights. | 2133.8431 |
1443 | | 2133.9411 | [<laugh>] | 2134.8130 |
1444 | LES_int_01 | 2134.3980 | [Now, are] the people that are spilling out onto the street, are these like, | 2137.8999 |
1445 | | 2138.0055 | the working folks that you've been talking [about, or?] | 2140.5701 |
1446 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2139.9313 | [<ts>] | 2140.0837 |
1448 | | 2140.2996 | [They don't] live in our community. | 2141.6146 |
1449 | LES_int_01 | 2141.6270 | [Yeah.] | 2142.3671 |
1450 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2141.7405 | [A lot of these people] are- they're driving in. | 2144.2335 |
1451 | | 2145.0589 | I noticed that. They get in their cars, they drive in, the drive [out.] | 2148.0524 |
1452 | LES_int_01 | 2147.9304 | [Oh] they drive out. | 2148.7724 |
1453 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2148.8358 | [Yeah.] | 2149.2259 |
1454 | LES_int_01 | 2148.8855 | [That's terrible.] | 2149.6416 |
1455 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2149.6875 | Yep. | 2150.0652 |
1456 | LES_int_01 | 2150.7273 | I mean, you're sort of speaking to the, sort of, other | 2152.9209 |
1458 | | 2153.2640 | s- | 2153.4458 |
1460 | | 2153.6930 | period or force that I was gonna ask you about, which is the- | 2156.1953 |
1462 | | 2156.3259 | the idea of a- the Lower East Side as, | 2158.1763 |
1464 | | 2158.3161 | you know, getting gentrified. | 2159.5472 |
1466 | | 2160.0041 | And if there's all these, | 2161.2988 |
1468 | | 2161.4340 | you know, wealthier folks moving [in, white folks] moving in. | 2164.5722 |
1469 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2162.7210 | [<pp>] | 2163.5696 |
1470 | LES_int_01 | 2165.0897 | I mean, that's a little- | 2165.8342 |
1471 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2165.9088 | [It's not even-] | 2166.6409 |
1472 | LES_int_01 | 2166.1000 | [a little more reason-] | 2167.0652 |
1473 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2166.8227 | [I w- I wouldn't even] say it's the white folks moving in because, I'm'a be honest with you, | 2170.8142 |
1474 | LES_int_01 | 2167.1771 | [recent.] | 2167.7199 |
1475 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2171.2136 | even as a kid we had a lot of white families that lived on the Lower East [Side. Except,] | 2175.6853 |
1476 | LES_int_01 | 2175.1449 | [Yeah.] | 2175.5976 |
1477 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2176.0210 | they were more like, hippie-ish. As they would [say.] | 2178.7519 |
1478 | LES_int_01 | 2178.7006 | [Right.] | 2179.1762 |
1479 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2179.1855 | And | 2179.6751 |
1481 | | 2179.7777 | my mother befriended a lot of them. | 2181.6413 |
1483 | | 2181.7252 | [You know, even] some of the Jewish families, my mother was really close friends with a lot of Jewish families | 2186.1317 |
1484 | LES_int_01 | 2181.7252 | [Yeah.] | 2182.1446 |
1485 | | 2186.2995 | [Yeah.] | 2186.7538 |
1486 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2186.4534 | [that] were, like, | 2187.7310 |
1487 | | 2188.0416 | they weren't, like, | 2189.0910 |
1489 | | 2189.2915 | reli- super religious Jews. [They were] like, very inti- like, /intimante/ s- | 2194.0753 |
1490 | LES_int_01 | 2191.4546 | [Yeah.] | 2191.7069 |
1491 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2194.2335 | inter-mixing. | 2195.2025 |
1493 | | 2195.4216 | A lot of them were inter g- um, inter, um, <ts> racial p- [families.] | 2199.8078 |
1494 | LES_int_01 | 2199.6819 | [Uh-huh.] | 2199.9990 |
1495 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2200.2088 | Um, biracial families and, you know, my mom was biracial so | 2203.9095 |
1497 | | 2204.0588 | she identified a lot more with them. | 2205.9976 |
1499 | | 2206.2084 | And that's, I think that was the reason why she felt more comfortable living on the Lower East Side, because she was | 2210.7026 |
1501 | | 2211.0989 | a blended child. | 2212.0365 |
1502 | LES_int_01 | 2212.1139 | [Right.] | 2212.5391 |
1503 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2212.2584 | [<cough>] Um, | 2212.9812 |
1504 | LES_int_01 | 2213.5352 | And it was so [mixed.] | 2214.5932 |
1505 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2214.0901 | [<ts>] | 2214.2352 |
1507 | | 2214.4725 | [It] was so mixed and so [diverse. And] even if you didn't have a lot of money, | 2218.2261 |
1508 | LES_int_01 | 2216.2966 | [Yeah.] | 2216.6551 |
1509 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2218.7289 | um, | 2219.2372 |
1511 | | 2219.5542 | a lot of the- the white families, they were just like us. I mean, like, they d- they didn't have a lot of money [either,] | 2224.2707 |
1512 | LES_int_01 | 2223.9490 | [Yeah.] | 2224.3546 |
1513 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2224.4525 | you know, growing up here. | 2225.5810 |
1514 | LES_int_01 | 2226.1405 | And- and so the change now then, is just people with- in general, [people with money.] | 2230.6907 |
1515 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2229.8421 | [<pp>] | 2230.3805 |
1516 | | 2230.9192 | Yeah. People with lots of money. Or people that are, like, upper-middle class families | 2236.2930 |
1518 | | 2236.6669 | that really don't need to live on the Lower East Side, but they choose to live on the Lower East Side because of | 2241.9717 |
1520 | | 2242.7069 | public transportation, the schools are there. | 2245.0010 |
1522 | | 2245.2715 | They have the local parks, they can walk to the local parks and it look so cute and, you know. | 2249.8333 |
1524 | | 2250.3897 | [You know.] | 2250.8149 |
1525 | LES_int_01 | 2250.4178 | [And it's trendy, like the bars and restaurants like you were saying.] | 2254.5335 |
1526 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2251.6378 | [It's] | 2252.1041 |
1528 | | 2252.3325 | [so trendy.] | 2253.7407 |
1530 | | 2254.3953 | [It's] over trendy. [And] | 2256.1654 |
1531 | LES_int_01 | 2255.6852 | [Yeah.] | 2256.2261 |
1532 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2256.4732 | to the point where, like, my son and I, you know, my- my kids and I, we always joke around. | 2261.1578 |
1534 | | 2261.4702 | Um, because they attended the schools here. | 2263.4877 |
1536 | | 2263.6975 | And, | 2264.1311 |
1538 | | 2264.5648 | um, | 2265.0870 |
1540 | | 2265.4974 | my- my youngest son actually went to one of the newer schools here on the Lower East Side, which | 2270.4127 |
1542 | | 2270.7602 | I feel all of the /re-gentrified/ families | 2273.7009 |
1544 | | 2273.9713 | decided they wanted to make this school. | 2276.2655 |
1546 | | 2276.5965 | [And they] made the school. And they- | 2278.3435 |
1547 | LES_int_01 | 2276.5965 | [Yeah.] | 2276.8273 |
1548 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2278.5775 | all of their kids went there, cause that's where they wanted their kids to be. | 2281.5135 |
1549 | LES_int_01 | 2281.5228 | [Uh-huh.] | 2281.9378 |
1550 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2281.7466 | [Cause it's] like a Upper | 2282.9294 |
1551 | | 2283.1587 | West Side school at- | 2284.4138 |
1553 | | 2284.5071 | on the Lower East Side. | 2285.6291 |
1554 | LES_int_01 | 2285.6291 | [Okay.] | 2286.0195 |
1555 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2285.8344 | [So] they created a whole new | 2287.4714 |
1556 | | 2287.7928 | acronym for the school. [So it's] create- it's l- it's on- in /rojo/ | 2292.4129 |
1557 | LES_int_01 | 2289.4100 | [What is it?] | 2289.9043 |
1558 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2292.9025 | right off Houston. | 2294.0434 |
1560 | | 2294.2364 | <laugh> [It's called /RD-SCHOOL-2/- | 2295.8852 |
1561 | LES_int_01 | 2294.9759 | [Oh, no.] | 2296.1587 |
1562 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2296.1230 | [/RD-SCHOOL-4/] | 2297.4986 |
1563 | LES_int_01 | 2297.2001 | [Oh, I've heard of it.] | 2298.4748 |
1564 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2297.7589 | [on Columbia Street. And] | 2299.5681 |
1565 | LES_int_01 | 2299.0645 | [Yes.] | 2299.5681 |
1566 | | 2299.7080 | [Yes.] | 2300.2290 |
1567 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2299.8012 | [my youngest] sk- son, | 2301.1938 |
1568 | | 2301.2824 | um, he attended that school for five years of his life. And | 2304.3087 |
1570 | | 2304.8356 | it just was ridiculous. I mean, the families they, you know, the- the principal told the kids don't mix with the kids from the projects. | 2312.0055 |
1572 | | 2312.4065 | That, [you know, it's] bad, it's- it's not a good place to be. Go straight home after school. | 2317.3896 |
1573 | LES_int_01 | 2312.6474 | [What?] | 2313.1976 |
1574 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2317.7393 | Um, the kids in the community would actually rob the junior high school kids | 2322.0135 |
1576 | | 2322.2747 | and the high school kids that attended the school | 2324.7142 |
1578 | | 2324.9589 | because they were /carrin-/ | 2326.5909 |
1580 | | 2326.6982 | carrying themselves in this | 2328.4918 |
1582 | | 2328.8695 | m- y- we don't belong here, you know. Like, we have this air about us because that's the way the principal told the kids to be. | 2335.2568 |
1583 | LES_int_01 | 2335.3874 | [Oh.] | 2336.1827 |
1584 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2335.8707 | [Instead] of blending with the community and trying to | 2338.7471 |
1585 | | 2338.9995 | integrate and s- you know, bring the kids in from the community, she took kids from out of the community | 2343.7634 |
1587 | | 2344.3370 | into the school, | 2345.3208 |
1588 | LES_int_01 | 2345.5120 | Yeah. | 2346.0504 |
1589 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2346.4057 | <clap> | 2346.5782 |
1591 | | 2346.8487 | and created a whole nother situation. | 2348.8537 |
1593 | | 2349.2128 | So it's predominantly a white | 2350.6769 |
1595 | | 2351.1385 | p- [school.] | 2351.8037 |
1596 | LES_int_01 | 2351.7711 | [Yeah.] | 2352.2108 |
1597 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2352.4332 | And the families that attend there are very upper income families. | 2355.9148 |
1598 | LES_int_01 | 2355.9148 | [Mm-hm.] | 2356.3429 |
1599 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2356.1946 | [And they're] like, oh | 2357.0189 |
1600 | | 2357.2997 | we- we have a wonderful school here. And they talk with these airs about them. | 2361.5662 |
1602 | | 2361.8460 | And you feel like | 2362.6456 |
1604 | | 2363.1500 | oh | 2363.6723 |
1606 | | 2363.8075 | [my God.] (laughing) | 2365.8256 |
1607 | LES_int_01 | 2364.7575 | [<laugh>] | 2366.1724 |
1608 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2366.2089 | Where did you come from? | 2367.5176 |
1610 | | 2367.6248 | You are not | 2368.5341 |
1612 | | 2368.6227 | kidding me. You're on Columbia Street. You're standing on the corner [of Columbia] Street. | 2372.3895 |
1613 | LES_int_01 | 2371.2937 | [<laugh>] | 2371.6408 |
1614 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2372.6599 | Are you kidding me? | 2373.6811 |
1616 | | 2373.8956 | You- [You can't] be serious. | 2375.5493 |
1617 | LES_int_01 | 2374.0479 | [Yeah.] | 2374.6022 |
1618 | | 2375.7452 | [Yeah.] | 2376.2894 |
1619 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2375.8105 | [You're right] on the corner of Columbia Street and you're talking like you came | 2379.0279 |
1620 | | 2379.3263 | off of Central Park West, | 2380.7329 |
1621 | LES_int_01 | 2380.7329 | [Yeah.] | 2381.3540 |
1622 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2381.0779 | [<laugh>] so. | 2382.3043 |
1623 | LES_int_01 | 2382.3183 | I mean, that- yeah. How does [that-] | 2383.8477 |
1624 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2383.7917 | [<clears throat>] | 2384.1574 |
1625 | LES_int_01 | 2384.1974 | what do you think about this | 2385.7132 |
1627 | | 2385.8336 | change and the big hotels going up [and some of the-] the- [some of this money] coming in? | 2390.9134 |
1628 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2388.2385 | [Oh.] | 2388.9613 |
1630 | | 2389.3670 | [Oh, I hate it.] | 2390.0741 |
1632 | | 2390.9134 | I hate it. Because | 2392.0715 |
1633 | | 2392.3216 | they're not using the money to make the community better. | 2395.1800 |
1635 | | 2395.4225 | They're using the money | 2396.4980 |
1637 | | 2396.7172 | to say, | 2397.4119 |
1639 | | 2397.6964 | we're here | 2398.6103 |
1641 | | 2398.7082 | and we're here to stay, because we have the money to stay. | 2401.3598 |
1643 | | 2401.7328 | And | 2402.1012 |
1645 | | 2402.2784 | instead of hiring the families or the children that live here on the Lower East Side, | 2406.4147 |
1647 | | 2406.7252 | they're not hiring the children and the families that live here. | 2409.3592 |
1649 | | 2409.6815 | They're hiring people from out of the community to come and work at these [hotels,] | 2413.8485 |
1650 | LES_int_01 | 2413.7739 | [Yeah.] | 2414.2868 |
1651 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2414.2075 | [work] at these, you know, places at- that they're opening up. | 2417.4241 |
1652 | | 2417.7132 | And it's disgusting to me. | 2419.0312 |
1653 | LES_int_01 | 2419.0919 | Yeah. | 2419.4605 |
1654 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2419.5069 | You know, it- it all started to me, I feel like it started off when they built his Hospice. There's a Hospice here | 2424.7531 |
1656 | | 2425.1474 | for HIV and AIDS [and cancer patients] | 2427.6116 |
1657 | LES_int_01 | 2426.2291 | [Oh.] | 2427.1711 |
1659 | | 2427.5674 | [Yeah, I've /?/.] | 2428.7068 |
1660 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2427.9723 | [here, on-] on Rivington Street. [When] they built the Rivington House | 2431.2410 |
1661 | LES_int_01 | 2429.6300 | [Yeah.] | 2429.8680 |
1662 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2431.6467 | and I said to them, you know, when they- | 2433.3190 |
1664 | | 2433.4449 | when they first developed it, | 2434.8485 |
1665 | LES_int_01 | 2434.9588 | [Yeah.] | 2435.2681 |
1666 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2435.1414 | [they] had to ask the people in the community, | 2437.4169 |
1667 | | 2437.7293 | you know, what they thought about it. And sign petitions to h- | 2440.3529 |
1669 | | 2440.4462 | to build this thing. | 2441.3663 |
1670 | LES_int_01 | 2441.4068 | Yeah. | 2441.7658 |
1671 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2441.7984 | And we were like, oh it's great. You gonna hire people that live on the- oh, yeah we're gonna hire people from the Lower East Side. | 2446.6284 |
1673 | | 2446.9735 | Maybe | 2447.4071 |
1675 | | 2447.6153 | five percent. | 2448.4267 |
1677 | | 2448.9443 | Three percent. | 2449.5839 |
1678 | LES_int_01 | 2449.9328 | Hm. | 2450.2219 |
1679 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2450.2825 | Are from the Lower East Side l- working in that place. | 2452.8772 |
1681 | | 2453.5840 | So it just, it's the same thing. All these little bars and restaurants that were built. | 2457.5970 |
1683 | | 2457.8659 | Oh, yeah we're make- we're making a sandwich shop. | 2460.1740 |
1685 | | 2460.2859 | And then it become a bar and lounge (laughing) | 2463.0494 |
1687 | | 2463.2779 | the next day. | 2464.1125 |
1689 | | 2464.3503 | After the ask you to sign this petition to say they want this building | 2467.5794 |
1691 | | 2468.0014 | or- or this, you know, this establishment. | 2470.0898 |
1692 | LES_int_01 | 2470.1774 | Yeah. | 2470.8395 |
1693 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2470.8955 | Cause the guy across the street, he did a big- | 2472.8256 |
1695 | | 2473.4313 | big thing [to us.] Yeah. | 2474.8956 |
1696 | LES_int_01 | 2473.9442 | [Did they?] | 2474.4318 |
1697 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2475.7347 | Two spots on- o- on this block did the same thing. They came here cause we're, | 2479.8458 |
1699 | | 2480.1629 | you know, the biggest building on the [block. So of course] they came this tenants association here | 2484.1014 |
1700 | LES_int_01 | 2481.5957 | [Yeah.] | 2482.1150 |
1701 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2484.3613 | and said, hey. | 2485.1255 |
1703 | | 2485.7474 | <clap> | 2485.9200 |
1705 | | 2486.1158 | We're building this sandwich shop, you know, we need a petition signed and, you know. I- Are you gonna serve alcohol? No, we're not serving alcohol. | 2493.1133 |
1707 | | 2493.8632 | That was a lie. | 2494.6690 |
1709 | | 2495.0020 | They a- | 2495.2939 |
1711 | | 2495.4011 | petitioned for a liquor license. Next thing we knew, | 2497.5864 |
1713 | | 2497.7962 | they weren't a sandwich shop, they were a bar. | 2499.4329 |
1714 | LES_int_01 | 2499.7859 | Oh [my gosh. That's terrible.] | 2502.3783 |
1715 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2500.5753 | [Yeah.] | 2500.7727 |
1717 | | 2501.8481 | [So now we have] three | 2503.0291 |
1718 | | 2503.6512 | bars | 2504.7136 |
1720 | | 2504.8449 | on the [block.] | 2505.7100 |
1721 | LES_int_01 | 2505.3066 | [On the block.] | 2506.1086 |
1722 | | 2508.3125 | That's a lot of [bars. <laugh>] | 2510.1544 |
1723 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2509.1099 | [Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,] yeah, yeah. | 2510.6207 |
1724 | | 2510.7606 | Yeah. | 2511.0823 |
1725 | LES_int_01 | 2511.3248 | Um, I'm curious what, uh, | 2513.5287 |
1727 | | 2513.8085 | if I asked you, like, define geographically what the Lower East Side is for you? Because a lot of people have different, uh, | 2520.5075 |
1729 | | 2521.1183 | a different | 2521.7898 |
1731 | | 2521.9437 | definition of what makes up the neighborhood. | 2524.3118 |
1732 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2525.2993 | [Hm.] | 2525.9475 |
1733 | LES_int_01 | 2525.5511 | [What is it] for you? | 2526.5365 |
1734 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2526.8521 | <ts> | 2527.0060 |
1736 | | 2528.2760 | I think | 2529.1773 |
1738 | | 2529.8068 | what makes up our neighborhood, | 2531.9259 |
1740 | | 2532.8539 | um, | 2533.5959 |
1742 | | 2534.9272 | <ts> I think hard-working people make up this [neighborhood.] | 2537.5223 |
1743 | LES_int_01 | 2537.3964 | [Mm-hm.] | 2537.9551 |
1744 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2538.0707 | I think | 2539.0454 |
1746 | | 2540.4126 | old Lower East Siders make up this neighborhood. I think | 2544.0585 |
1748 | | 2544.1777 | that they're slowly but surely leaving | 2546.3646 |
1750 | | 2546.6504 | or dying off. | 2547.7633 |
1752 | | 2548.2265 | And | 2548.8851 |
1754 | | 2549.6792 | it's th- it's on the backs of the dinosaurs that were here | 2552.8860 |
1756 | | 2553.0915 | [in the-] in the early sixties, seventies, and eighties. | 2555.9856 |
1757 | LES_int_01 | 2553.0915 | [Yeah.] | 2553.5049 |
1758 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2556.4136 | And that now I think what makes up our neighborhood is a lot of | 2560.8746 |
1760 | | 2561.3439 | upper income families that have came back from the suburbs, or | 2566.1346 |
1762 | | 2566.4435 | you know, um, moved in from wherever. From out of town and decided they wanted to live on the Lower East Side. | 2572.3001 |
1764 | | 2572.8037 | Um, maybe from the outer boroughs and decided that, you know, the school systems here are better or they don't have to own a vehicle. | 2578.9665 |
1766 | | 2579.3442 | It's a, you know, one fare zones. And, um, | 2582.5841 |
1768 | | 2583.4163 | I think that's what's making up our community now. I think that it's- it's- it's not even a color thing anymore. | 2588.8440 |
1770 | | 2589.1777 | I- I- I would say before, I thought it was a color thing. Not that I see a lot of black families here, | 2593.7299 |
1771 | LES_int_01 | 2593.8138 | Yeah. | 2594.1679 |
1772 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2594.1679 | cause you really don't see that [many.] | 2595.5235 |
1773 | LES_int_01 | 2595.4629 | [Yeah.] | 2595.8732 |
1774 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2596.0071 | Unless you go to the Ave. [<laugh>] | 2598.0690 |
1775 | LES_int_01 | 2597.0669 | [<laugh> Yeah.] | 2597.9156 |
1776 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2598.4145 | Um, | 2598.8715 |
1778 | | 2599.3051 | you still don't see a lot of black families here. Now it's mostly Dominican and Asian and | 2605.1186 |
1780 | | 2605.5288 | upper income Caucasian families. | 2607.9431 |
1781 | LES_int_01 | 2608.1016 | Yeah. | 2608.6083 |
1783 | | 2609.0913 | Now, is that a community to you? I mean, um, I mean I guess to answer that, like, what- what is a community to you? Like, what does it mean for people who live in a place to be a community together? | 2620.0571 |
1784 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2620.1262 | I think people that are willing to fight | 2622.0668 |
1786 | | 2622.7756 | for the better good | 2624.0050 |
1788 | | 2624.1029 | of the whole, | 2624.9562 |
1790 | | 2625.1942 | makes up a community to me. | 2626.5649 |
1792 | | 2627.0344 | If you're willing to stick it out, like, right now this building is about to go through a transformation. | 2632.4852 |
1794 | | 2632.7650 | Because in two thousand and ten our contract with HUD | 2635.4873 |
1796 | | 2635.8698 | expires. [And so] we just went through that five years ago, and now we're about to go through it again. | 2640.7781 |
1797 | LES_int_01 | 2636.5841 | [Oh.] | 2637.0338 |
1798 | | 2640.9273 | [Wow.] | 2641.5382 |
1799 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2641.0765 | [Where we have] to fight for the right to stay here | 2643.2945 |
1800 | | 2643.6395 | and still be a low income [building.] | 2646.0614 |
1801 | LES_int_01 | 2645.9690 | [Yeah.] | 2646.4280 |
1802 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2646.4839 | And the b- the majority of the families that live here are still low income [families. Like,] | 2651.0108 |
1803 | LES_int_01 | 2650.6882 | [Yeah.] | 2651.0706 |
1804 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2651.3737 | most of them are either on Social Security, Disability, or they're retired people, | 2655.5751 |
1806 | | 2655.9609 | or they're low income working class people who don't make any more than about thirty-five thousand a year. | 2660.8735 |
1807 | LES_int_01 | 2660.9434 | Yeah. | 2661.3672 |
1808 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2661.4423 | You know, um, the ones that make more than that | 2663.8608 |
1810 | | 2664.0520 | <ts> they're paying | 2664.8493 |
1812 | | 2665.0871 | the top rent, which is- maybe only makes up about five percent of us. | 2668.5081 |
1813 | LES_int_01 | 2668.5268 | Mm-hm. | 2668.9791 |
1814 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2669.0524 | You know, | 2669.5852 |
1815 | LES_int_01 | 2669.5852 | Mm-hm. | 2670.0046 |
1816 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2670.1867 | that's not very many. | 2671.2126 |
1817 | LES_int_01 | 2672.2628 | So, I mean, is there like a Low- one Lower East Side community? You know, we're talking about [these people coming in.] | 2678.8006 |
1818 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2677.4343 | [<ts> I don't think so.] | 2678.3902 |
1820 | | 2678.6326 | [I don't-] I don't think there's i- i- there's one anymore, because, like, | 2682.1129 |
1821 | | 2682.4237 | people that live on this side of Houston Street think differently than the people that live in Greenwich Village. | 2687.3635 |
1822 | LES_int_01 | 2687.5593 | [Right.] | 2687.9801 |
1823 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2687.6258 | [And you see] Greenwich Village people are now saying they go all the way over to the West Side. | 2692.0074 |
1824 | | 2692.3105 | You know, [Greenwich Village used-] used to be, like, | 2694.5470 |
1825 | LES_int_01 | 2692.7690 | [Yeah.] | 2693.3945 |
1826 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2694.7940 | what we call Alphabet City is now Greenwich Village or Lower East Side. | 2698.5711 |
1827 | LES_int_01 | 2698.7064 | [Yeah.] | 2699.2912 |
1828 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2698.8276 | [You know, so they've] changed name, they've modified it,] | 2701.6237 |
1829 | LES_int_01 | 2700.6305 | [East Village, yeah.] | 2702.4068 |
1830 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2701.9734 | [they've made] it into what they wanted it to be. Cause I remember it being Alphabet City. | 2706.4770 |
1831 | LES_int_01 | 2706.8780 | Yeah. | 2707.3598 |
1832 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2707.4186 | <laugh> And now it's | 2708.7237 |
1834 | | 2709.3066 | the Lower East Side or, you know, | 2711.2261 |
1836 | | 2711.3380 | um, | 2711.8648 |
1837 | LES_int_01 | 2711.8648 | The [East Village.] | 2712.9692 |
1838 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2712.2892 | [East Village. You know,] and you're like, | 2714.2990 |
1839 | LES_int_01 | 2713.2731 | [Yeah.] | 2713.7114 |
1840 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2714.4062 | East Village? Where'd that [come from?] | 2716.1765 |
1841 | LES_int_01 | 2715.7335 | [To you it's] the Lower East [Side?] | 2717.0624 |
1842 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2716.8340 | [It's all] Lower East [Side to me.] Anything | 2719.1747 |
1843 | LES_int_01 | 2717.9344 | [Yeah.] | 2718.4177 |
1844 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2719.2757 | u- beyond Fourteenth Street is Lower East Side. | 2721.9112 |
1845 | LES_int_01 | 2721.9112 | [Okay.] | 2722.2319 |
1846 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2722.1387 | [Anything,] um, you know, | 2724.2557 |
1847 | | 2724.8945 | u- south of Broadway is Lower East Side. I [believe,] you [know.] | 2728.4367 |
1848 | LES_int_01 | 2727.6650 | [Yeah.] | 2727.9553 |
1850 | | 2728.2362 | [Okay.] | 2728.6466 |
1851 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2729.2014 | So [even-] | 2729.9793 |
1852 | LES_int_01 | 2729.5877 | [So it's a big] area [for you.] | 2731.0052 |
1853 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2730.5062 | [it's a big] area for me. | 2731.8678 |
1854 | LES_int_01 | 2731.8725 | And you did talk about, you know, the i- this sense- a sense of community with the people with you still know, that you grew up with and stuff. And so it sounds like maybe what you're saying is | 2740.5508 |
1856 | | 2740.7474 | the whole- the neighborhood as a whole | 2742.7338 |
1858 | | 2743.0908 | doesn't feel like a community, but that the people that you know maybe form like a smaller, you know, | 2748.2142 |
1860 | | 2748.4194 | community within a [community.] | 2750.0051 |
1861 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2749.5944 | [Right.] | 2749.9693 |
1862 | | 2750.2192 | A little [nucleus.] | 2751.4829 |
1863 | LES_int_01 | 2750.6268 | [That you say you still] feel- | 2752.2246 |
1864 | | 2752.4388 | you d- you- | 2753.1086 |
1866 | | 2753.2439 | you did say that, right? That you d- d- you do feel a sense of [community, still.] | 2756.5382 |
1867 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2755.7339 | [I do.] | 2756.4659 |
1868 | | 2756.5732 | Because I still go to the- the laundromat and see the | 2759.7069 |
1870 | | 2760.3260 | friends of my mom's from way back when. Or I go to the credit union, which | 2764.6236 |
1872 | | 2764.9448 | I believe in the credit union because it's one of the older establishments [and banking] establishments here on the Lower East [Side.] | 2771.4054 |
1873 | LES_int_01 | 2768.9865 | [Yeah.] | 2769.3269 |
1875 | | 2771.3181 | [Yeah.] | 2771.7512 |
1876 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2771.8222 | So that's one thing I think we all kind of gravitate, the real Lower East Siders, they gravitate to the | 2777.1496 |
1878 | | 2777.3921 | credit union because it's | 2778.9339 |
1880 | | 2779.0831 | an establishment that we formed | 2780.9063 |
1882 | | 2781.1814 | as Lower East Siders. | 2782.3518 |
1883 | LES_int_01 | 2782.3828 | Right. | 2782.7279 |
1884 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2782.7279 | And, um, | 2783.6651 |
1885 | | 2784.4252 | <ts> people still want their kids to go to the community schools | 2787.2556 |
1887 | | 2787.5120 | because they still believe in them. | 2788.9466 |
1888 | LES_int_01 | 2789.0619 | [Yeah.] | 2789.5854 |
1889 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2789.2683 | [You know, like,] | 2789.8326 |
1890 | LES_int_01 | 2789.7626 | [Yeah.] | 2790.1153 |
1891 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2790.1153 | I'm one of those people that | 2791.1895 |
1892 | | 2791.3060 | still wanted my kids to go to the community [schools.] | 2793.8923 |
1893 | LES_int_01 | 2793.8364 | [Yeah.] | 2794.2607 |
1894 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2794.3027 | And, um, | 2795.3244 |
1896 | | 2795.8088 | you know. I mean, | 2796.7227 |
1898 | | 2797.1684 | I guess it's because I- I- I still believe that | 2799.8124 |
1900 | | 2800.1530 | there's hope for the Lower East Side. I still believe that people just need to understand | 2804.1527 |
1902 | | 2804.6185 | we, the true Lower East Siders, are the people that have been here for more than ten years of their [life.] | 2809.8197 |
1903 | LES_int_01 | 2809.7605 | [Yeah.] | 2810.2823 |
1904 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2810.7588 | They understand what it means to be on the Lower East Side. | 2813.4764 |
1905 | LES_int_01 | 2813.6069 | Yeah. | 2814.0046 |
1906 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2814.0343 | You know, I still believe in going to the supermarket here, even though it's crazy [expensive.] | 2818.3055 |
1907 | LES_int_01 | 2818.2123 | [<laugh>] | 2818.7532 |
1908 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2818.9579 | Um, | 2819.4584 |
1910 | | 2819.7028 | [I still] believe in using local parks because I understand the Parks Department. The library, | 2824.4154 |
1911 | LES_int_01 | 2819.7028 | [Yeah.] | 2820.0059 |
1912 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2824.6252 | I still believe in the library [system.] | 2826.8863 |
1913 | LES_int_01 | 2826.4531 | [Yeah.] | 2826.8014 |
1914 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2827.2131 | I still believe in going to the community board meetings, when I h- can get a chance to get there. | 2831.2123 |
1916 | | 2831.5061 | And going to the precinct meetings. | 2833.1567 |
1917 | LES_int_01 | 2833.2173 | [Mm-hm.] | 2833.6310 |
1918 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2833.4085 | [Trying,] you know, any way to stay connected and refocus. | 2836.9414 |
1919 | | 2837.2818 | Meeting with my local senators [and congress] people and, you know, um, city councilmen. | 2842.4513 |
1920 | LES_int_01 | 2839.1371 | [Yeah.] | 2839.5277 |
1921 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2842.7039 | Knowing them by name because | 2844.4750 |
1923 | | 2844.8698 | this is where I'm from. [And this is] what I want them to understand, that we still have pride in our community. | 2849.9282 |
1924 | LES_int_01 | 2846.0821 | [Right.] | 2846.4682 |
1925 | | 2850.1427 | Yeah. | 2850.4649 |
1926 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2850.4649 | You know, | 2850.8849 |
1927 | | 2851.2789 | u- give or [take.] | 2852.4959 |
1928 | LES_int_01 | 2851.8338 | [Just keeping] up the struggle. | 2853.4679 |
1929 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2853.4938 | Yeah. Keeping the struggle alive because they need to understand that | 2856.6604 |
1931 | | 2856.9163 | okay, yeah. These | 2857.7650 |
1933 | | 2857.8799 | crazy people can move up in here, and they go to college here for maybe all of four, five years. | 2862.2771 |
1935 | | 2862.5428 | And then they [leave.] | 2863.6883 |
1936 | LES_int_01 | 2863.5484 | [Yeah.] | 2863.9490 |
1937 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2864.1080 | They get the money and they leave. Or | 2865.7685 |
1939 | | 2866.0571 | they purchase something and they decide they wanna stay. | 2869.0887 |
1940 | LES_int_01 | 2869.1151 | [Yeah.] | 2869.4721 |
1941 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2869.3669 | [And] then that- they think that that becomes a part of ownership. | 2872.3923 |
1942 | | 2872.6115 | And I always say, | 2873.4725 |
1944 | | 2873.7057 | you don't know what it was like to sh- s- t- s- to sweat here. | 2876.9371 |
1946 | | 2877.3474 | My mother sweat here. [My mother,] | 2879.2902 |
1947 | LES_int_01 | 2878.7633 | [Yeah.] | 2879.0757 |
1948 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2879.4954 | she bled here basically. | 2881.3279 |
1950 | | 2881.5895 | And she died here on the Lower East Side. | 2883.8964 |
1951 | LES_int_01 | 2884.0401 | [Yeah.] | 2884.2881 |
1952 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2884.1482 | [So I] mean, you know, you can't tell me what it's like to be on the Lower East Side when you didn't do any of those things. You just moved in. | 2889.9985 |
1953 | LES_int_01 | 2890.3902 | [Yeah.] | 2890.8183 |
1954 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2890.6606 | [One] day, you found an affordable apartment and you just moved in. | 2893.9767 |
1955 | LES_int_01 | 2893.9767 | [Yeah.] | 2894.4484 |
1956 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2894.3800 | [You] know, or you were lucky enough to, | 2896.3828 |
1957 | | 2896.5483 | you know, come from wherever | 2897.8645 |
1959 | | 2898.2459 | and you settled here. | 2899.5962 |
1960 | LES_int_01 | 2899.7221 | [Yeah.] | 2900.2257 |
1961 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2900.1791 | [So] you can't tell me that. You weren't here fighting the drug wars. | 2903.2890 |
1962 | | 2903.5348 | You weren't here when the prostitutes were running. | 2905.4780 |
1964 | | 2906.0132 | And- and people had to go outside with baseball bats. | 2908.5269 |
1966 | | 2909.1280 | You weren't here. | 2909.8541 |
1968 | | 2910.1894 | So <laugh> you know, you can't- | 2911.8248 |
1970 | | 2912.1668 | you can't say that, | 2913.1401 |
1971 | LES_int_01 | 2913.2024 | [Yeah.] | 2913.6683 |
1972 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2913.6034 | [so.] | 2914.0884 |
1973 | LES_int_01 | 2914.7645 | Yeah, it's a tough [question.] | 2916.0569 |
1974 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2915.9209 | [Yeah.] | 2916.2799 |
1975 | LES_int_01 | 2917.0205 | Um, I- a m- more positive question. Uh, what are some | 2920.8200 |
1977 | | 2921.0991 | places in the neighborhood that are especially important to you? | 2924.5021 |
1979 | | 2925.0232 | Like, a place could be, you know, ar- a- | 2927.2126 |
1981 | | 2927.4710 | your house or a park or a restaurant or- or where are places, like, in your life that | 2932.2456 |
1983 | | 2932.4228 | really stick out as important in the neighborhood? | 2934.7883 |
1984 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2935.0464 | I think, um, the credit union sticks out for me. | 2938.5567 |
1985 | LES_int_01 | 2938.5660 | Okay. | 2938.8708 |
1986 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2938.9810 | I think, um, Tenth Street park which is Tompkins Square Park. [That sticks] out for me. | 2943.2273 |
1987 | LES_int_01 | 2942.2049 | [Yeah.] | 2942.4617 |
1989 | | 2943.1515 | [Yeah,] did- [did you play there a lot?] | 2944.6169 |
1990 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2943.5771 | [I remember the good, the bad,] and the [ugly of Tenth Street park.] | 2946.6670 |
1991 | LES_int_01 | 2945.2992 | [<laugh>] | 2947.0820 |
1992 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2947.1845 | All the good, all the [bad.] (laughing) | 2950.7237 |
1993 | LES_int_01 | 2949.2322 | [/I-/ <laugh>] | 2950.1035 |
1994 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2951.6757 | The hippy- <laugh> | 2953.0815 |
1996 | | 2953.3939 | the- the hippy, uh, [f-] | 2955.2341 |
1997 | LES_int_01 | 2955.0452 | [Th-] | 2955.1891 |
1998 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2955.4596 | [fire] f- | 2956.2243 |
1999 | LES_int_01 | 2955.5249 | [the] | 2955.7067 |
2000 | | 2956.4652 | [/Oh, they'd set up the/ tents and they- the riots and stuff?] | 2959.9763 |
2001 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2956.4666 | [fire days. When they used to do the tents and the riots] in Tenth Street park. | 2961.4778 |
2002 | | 2961.8498 | And, you know, um, my mom taking us there every Sunday after church. I remember | 2966.3676 |
2004 | | 2966.7359 | /Diva Birdy's/, um, on First Avenue, going there as a kid. I remember, | 2971.6372 |
2006 | | 2972.0158 | um, | 2972.5745 |
2008 | | 2972.7661 | you know, | 2973.1629 |
2010 | | 2973.6265 | FDR Park, which is down on the, all the way by the [waterside.] | 2977.6983 |
2011 | LES_int_01 | 2977.5491 | [Right, right.] | 2978.2298 |
2012 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 2978.2392 | Hanging out in FDR Park on a Sunday, listening to the guys playing the- the bongos and the- the percussion | 2984.0522 |
2014 | | 2984.3926 | instrument. And, um, | 2985.9164 |
2016 | | 2986.4116 | you know. | 2986.9852 |
2018 | | 2987.9489 | <clap> Watching the baseball game, watching the boats sail by on- on- I- I mean, I- | 2992.3552 |
2020 | | 2992.5380 | I don't think- | 2993.0963 |
2022 | | 2993.7851 | I don't think there- there's such a vivid memory for me | 2996.7167 |
2024 | | 2997.0282 | in Queens. Although I remember some parts of living in Queens also. | 3000.3462 |
2025 | LES_int_01 | 3000.4528 | [Yeah.] | 3000.8112 |
2026 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 3000.5929 | [But I] think | 3001.1419 |
2027 | | 3001.5465 | all of my- | 3002.5070 |
2029 | | 3002.5863 | my memories of my foundation years | 3005.0880 |
2031 | | 3005.3794 | were built here on the Lower East Side. | 3007.4155 |
2032 | LES_int_01 | 3007.4155 | [Yeah.] | 3007.8204 |
2033 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 3007.9228 | Um, | 3008.5116 |
2035 | | 3010.3764 | I- Just s- seeing the- the local delis and everybody, you know, the mom and pop shops shutting down and | 3016.1225 |
2036 | LES_int_01 | 3016.4433 | [Yeah.] | 3016.8733 |
2037 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 3016.4863 | [people leaving] the community. The doctor's offices that are no longer here anymore and, | 3020.8134 |
2038 | | 3021.2238 | you know, | 3021.7477 |
2040 | | 3021.9589 | all of that. | 3022.7143 |
2042 | | 3023.2412 | The churches that shut down, the schools that are no longer. I mean, | 3026.8914 |
2044 | | 3027.1727 | I remember all of these [things.] | 3028.9012 |
2045 | LES_int_01 | 3028.7100 | [Yeah.] | 3029.2120 |
2046 | LES_se0_ag3_f_01 | 3029.3845 | [You know.] | 3029.9327 |
2047 | LES_int_01 | 3029.3845 | [Yeah.] | 3029.7164 |