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1 | LES_int_01 | 0.4412 | Okay, alright, we're recording. So, it is d- uh, December fifth, | 3.6879 |
2 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 4.0936 | [I believe so.] | 4.5718 |
3 | LES_int_01 | 4.0936 | [Two thousand eight,] and I'm /RD-NAME-4/ and I'm talking to /RD-NAME-4/. | 7.8265 |
4 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 8.0550 | Yes. | 8.4187 |
5 | LES_int_01 | 8.4187 | So, um, <ts> | 9.5438 |
7 | | 9.7024 | /RD-NAME-2/, or /RD-NAME-2/, | 10.7702 |
9 | | 11.0126 | [Um.] I normally start at the beginning. | 13.4218 |
10 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 11.0360 | [Okay.] | 11.5023 |
11 | LES_int_01 | 13.5850 | [So, would] you mind telling me when and where you were born? | 16.8725 |
12 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 13.7202 | [Right.] | 13.9673 |
13 | | 17.5580 | Was born, first off on the Lower East Side, in | 19.4269 |
15 | | 19.5575 | /RD-ADDRESS-3/ well, | 20.9470 |
17 | | 21.3854 | I- I- I e- I ended up moving there, /RD-ADDRESS-6/. | 24.2469 |
19 | | 24.8437 | Uh. | 25.2727 |
20 | LES_int_01 | 25.3520 | [Clinton and what?] | 26.2656 |
21 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 25.3843 | [I was born.] | 26.2330 |
22 | | 26.7832 | Clinton Street, that's um. | 28.3033 |
23 | LES_int_01 | 28.4385 | I'm sorry, the intersection. | 29.3944 |
24 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 29.7302 | The intersection of Clinton and Madison. | 31.3292 |
25 | LES_int_01 | 31.5523 | <clears throat> | 31.9068 |
27 | | 32.4017 | Okay. | 32.7187 |
28 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 33.0685 | And I was born | 34.1393 |
30 | | 34.2373 | uh, | 34.5637 |
32 | | 34.7549 | January twenty sixth, nineteen fifty-eight. | 36.7554 |
33 | LES_int_01 | 37.1610 | Okay. | 37.5154 |
34 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 38.0040 | Um. | 38.5496 |
36 | | 39.3796 | And I grew up p- pretty much right after I was born in Bellevue Hospital. | 42.4492 |
37 | LES_int_01 | 42.8711 | Bellevue. [Okay.] | 43.5799 |
38 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 43.2349 | [On the East] Side. | 44.0044 |
39 | LES_int_01 | 44.0976 | Mm-hm. | 44.3914 |
40 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 45.1048 | I went right into LaGuardia Housing [Projects.] | 48.5416 |
41 | LES_int_01 | 48.4624 | [Okay.] | 48.7654 |
42 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 49.3730 | Uh, and that's where pretty much, things started there. | 51.7324 |
43 | LES_int_01 | 52.0588 | Okay. | 52.4458 |
45 | | 53.1488 | <ts> Will you tell me a little bit about your family. How did they end up living on the Lower East Side? Where are they from? | 57.5459 |
46 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 57.6671 | Okay. Let's see. | 58.5111 |
48 | | 59.3027 | <ts> Okay. | 59.6664 |
50 | | 60.0254 | My father was originally form New York. | 62.0678 |
52 | | 62.2263 | New Yorker, all the way. | 63.3174 |
54 | | 63.7278 | My mother also a New Yorker, but her parents were from Georgia, from the South. | 67.3429 |
55 | LES_int_01 | 67.3849 | Mm-hm. | 67.7673 |
56 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 67.8885 | And they resided, originally, in Harlem. | 71.0129 |
57 | LES_int_01 | 71.2600 | Mm-hm. | 71.6517 |
59 | | 71.8942 | Mm-hm. | 72.2299 |
60 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 72.3325 | <ts> And | 73.2278 |
62 | | 73.5355 | I guess they thought things would be better on the Lower East Side and decided to move | 76.8741 |
64 | | 77.5736 | on the Lower East Side around the time | 79.6949 |
66 | | 80.6788 | uh, | 81.0612 |
68 | | 81.7373 | shortly before I was born [actually.] | 83.3789 |
69 | LES_int_01 | 83.0571 | [Okay.] | 83.3789 |
70 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 84.0177 | And so, that's pretty much how we ended up down here. | 86.2181 |
72 | | 86.4233 | [Um] | 86.9003 |
73 | LES_int_01 | 86.5086 | [What about] your father's family? Th- were they not from the South? | 88.7654 |
74 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 88.7375 | They were- no. They were from New York. | 90.1596 |
75 | | 90.6577 | [They were. Yeah.] | 91.3851 |
76 | LES_int_01 | 90.6577 | [Oh, they were?] | 91.1714 |
77 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 91.5296 | They were from [New York.] | 92.3430 |
78 | LES_int_01 | 91.8381 | [So they've been there for a while.] | 93.0218 |
79 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 92.5756 | [Yeah.] | 93.0218 |
80 | LES_int_01 | 93.6466 | Cool. | 93.9543 |
81 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 93.9543 | Exactly. G- m- m- | 94.9289 |
82 | | 95.0221 | before that, I couldn't tell [you. <laugh>] | 96.5286 |
83 | LES_int_01 | 96.3794 | [<laugh> Okay.] | 97.1628 |
84 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 96.9903 | [But I] know his parents were from New York. | 98.3751 |
85 | LES_int_01 | 98.4871 | Okay. Cool. Wow. Okay, so they came down- | 100.9118 |
87 | | 101.0831 | Because at the time, | 102.1463 |
89 | | 102.3085 | the LaGuardia and other places were- [were new, it was really new, right?] | 106.0869 |
90 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 104.1159 | [Yeah, it was. Yeah, and I think they] figured maybe it would be a different thing, and also, I guess if you- | 109.3949 |
91 | | 109.6132 | At that time, if you applied for the housing projects and stuff, | 113.0821 |
93 | | 113.4727 | you- pretty much when you- | 114.8029 |
95 | | 115.2533 | you | 115.7170 |
97 | | 115.8879 | got the application you were approved, you | 118.3750 |
99 | | 118.4848 | had to go wherever they kind of put you, I guess. | 120.4558 |
101 | | 120.7609 | [And at] that time, their /perm-/ | 122.0734 |
102 | LES_int_01 | 120.7609 | [I see.] | 121.2984 |
103 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 122.1955 | probably weren't many | 123.2450 |
105 | | 123.6478 | housing | 124.2241 |
107 | | 124.4804 | developments | 125.2554 |
109 | | 125.5971 | then anyway. | 126.4026 |
111 | | 126.5185 | [Cause I lived- I lived in one of the] older ones, [so.] | 129.0183 |
112 | LES_int_01 | 126.7616 | [And a lot of them were /down here/.] | 127.9443 |
114 | | 128.6643 | [So] all of them are down here [aren't they?] | 130.2204 |
115 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 130.0007 | [Yeah,] exactly. A lot of 'em were on the Lower East Side, and [at that] time, I guess that was the only thing available. | 133.9291 |
116 | LES_int_01 | 131.9093 | [Right.] | 132.2059 |
117 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 134.8139 | And that's where we ended up. | 136.0063 |
118 | LES_int_01 | 136.2870 | Okay. | 136.6287 |
120 | | 137.5567 | So, what do you remember about being a little kid | 140.1379 |
121 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 140.7909 | [Uh.] | 142.0479 |
122 | LES_int_01 | 140.7909 | [in the Lower East Side in] LaGuardia? | 142.8290 |
123 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 144.2166 | School. | 144.9061 |
125 | | 145.2662 | School. I remembered school because | 146.9859 |
127 | | 147.2239 | you know, at that time, I guess they thought I was a fairly intelligent kid. | 150.3360 |
128 | LES_int_01 | 150.7265 | [Yeah.] | 151.0560 |
129 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 150.7448 | [Cause] I was in a special program and stuff like that. | 154.0930 |
130 | | 154.7825 | Um. | 155.3439 |
132 | | 155.7805 | <ts> | 155.9452 |
134 | | 156.3785 | Uh. [My] brothers [and sisters.] | 158.9538 |
135 | LES_int_01 | 156.8787 | [Cool] | 157.2749 |
137 | | 158.0995 | [What school did you] go to? | 159.4420 |
138 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 159.7532 | Originally, /RD-SCHOOL-2/- | 161.5457 |
140 | | 162.2170 | um, um w- w- | 163.7974 |
142 | | 163.8829 | What was that? (laughing) What was- | 165.5006 |
143 | LES_int_01 | 165.6653 | [<laugh>] | 166.8494 |
144 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 165.6690 | [<laugh>] Well, you got me now. | 167.8772 |
145 | | 168.3523 | Um. /RD-SCHOOL-5/. | 169.5730 |
147 | | 169.6439 | [/RD-SCHOOL-7/] that's what it was. | 171.5737 |
148 | LES_int_01 | 170.0603 | [Okay.] | 170.5546 |
149 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 172.0740 | [/RD-SCHOOL-8/. | 173.2465 |
151 | | 173.5760 | Then from there, | 174.9002 |
153 | | 175.4677 | I was transferred to a school, which at that time, seemed like it was a real far distance from my- | 179.8965 |
155 | | 180.2109 | from the original | 181.1140 |
157 | | 181.2483 | you know, it was like across the street, you know, from | 182.7982 |
159 | | 183.1033 | from my- a- where I [lived.] | 184.4153 |
160 | LES_int_01 | 184.2994 | [Yeah.] | 184.7501 |
161 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 185.1406 | <ts> And they transferred fo- | 186.3245 |
163 | | 186.4587 | transferred us out of there | 187.7035 |
165 | | 188.1490 | in to | 189.0338 |
167 | | 189.3267 | another school. You know, was like especially set up for kids who were like a little more [intelligent than] | 193.8638 |
168 | LES_int_01 | 193.4273 | [Right.] | 193.7771 |
169 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 194.0530 | [the average] kid. Yeah. Gifted kid. That's what they called us then. IGC. | 197.1342 |
170 | LES_int_01 | 194.0530 | [Gifted.] | 194.5899 |
171 | | 197.2928 | [Right.] | 197.7017 |
172 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 197.5979 | [Intellectually] gifted children or whatever. | 199.3248 |
173 | | 199.6785 | So, anyway, | 200.3094 |
175 | | 200.4863 | that was you know, they transferred us there, that was /RD-SCHOOL-4/. | 203.3150 |
176 | LES_int_01 | 204.0656 | [Ah.] | 204.4927 |
177 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 204.2059 | [Now,] that school, even though then, it seemed like a far distance, like you know, you're a little kid in your third grade. | 210.9703 |
178 | LES_int_01 | 211.0862 | [Right.] | 211.4341 |
179 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 211.3120 | [It's] like, I'm going to another school now? | 213.0849 |
180 | | 213.3168 | And it seemed like it was like, in another country or | 215.9959 |
181 | LES_int_01 | 215.9959 | Right. (laughing ) | 216.5451 |
182 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 216.5756 | but, it was like right | 217.6018 |
184 | | 217.8764 | down the [block (laughing)] It wasn't really that far. We took a short bus ride. | 221.0313 |
185 | LES_int_01 | 218.6758 | [Yeah. (laughing)] | 219.3105 |
186 | | 221.0984 | [<laugh> Totally.] | 221.9592 |
187 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 221.3181 | [And we got] to get bus passes. That was [cool. You know.] | 223.6568 |
188 | LES_int_01 | 223.2229 | [That was exciting.] | 224.3701 |
189 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 224.0345 | [And] we] got to get on the bus together. A few of us from the same | 226.6767 |
190 | | 227.0722 | development went to that school, so. | 228.8968 |
192 | | 229.0188 | That- we went there | 229.8426 |
194 | | 230.5321 | for elementary school. | 231.6427 |
196 | | 231.8136 | Uh. | 232.1858 |
198 | | 232.5898 | Early elementary school. Then, from there, I think I went to junior high school. /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is Junior High School Fifty-six. [That was a-] | 239.2256 |
199 | LES_int_01 | 238.6398 | [Uh-huh.] | 239.2256 |
200 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 239.5832 | Also, that was across the street from my [house.] | 241.5510 |
201 | LES_int_01 | 240.8748 | [That's really close.] | 241.8447 |
202 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 242.1072 | Yeah. That was really close, that was like you could fall out of bed [and] | 244.9345 |
203 | LES_int_01 | 244.7479 | [<laugh>] | 245.3728 |
204 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 245.1256 | [and be there.] | 245.6992 |
205 | LES_int_01 | 245.9314 | That must have been nice when [you were getting ready in the morning.] | 248.1043 |
206 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 246.7660 | [Yeah, that w-] | 247.4249 |
208 | | 247.6986 | [e- when you're late.] | 248.3934 |
209 | | 248.5053 | Cause I was always late. | 249.2001 |
211 | | 250.0149 | Uh. Then from there, | 251.5630 |
213 | | 251.6749 | /RD-SCHOOL-5/. | 253.0038 |
214 | LES_int_01 | 253.2463 | Okay. | 253.6473 |
215 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 253.6473 | Which was | 254.2302 |
216 | | 254.3794 | is like right f- | 255.3726 |
218 | | 255.8117 | right around the corner from | 257.0521 |
219 | LES_int_01 | 257.2013 | [Yeah.] | 257.5525 |
220 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 257.4018 | [well] now they call it something different I don't know what they call it now. It's not [/RD-SCHOOL-5/ now.] | 260.9715 |
221 | LES_int_01 | 260.7336 | [It's] not? | 261.2558 |
222 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 261.4470 | No, it's Grand Street right [there. Right here.] | 263.6829 |
223 | LES_int_01 | 262.7970 | [Yeah. Essex,] right? [Yeah.] | 264.4850 |
224 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 264.1632 | [Yeah.] | 264.4850 |
225 | | 264.5782 | It's right here, and it [wasn't- I don't know what it's called now.] | 267.1448 |
226 | LES_int_01 | 265.5128 | [Yeah, I thought it was /inaudible/.] | 266.9045 |
227 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 267.5365 | I think it's called something different now. | 268.7815 |
228 | LES_int_01 | 268.7815 | Oh, okay. | 269.3177 |
229 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 269.5128 | But, that's where I went for high school. | 270.7205 |
231 | | 270.9956 | No, actually, I started out in /RD-SCHOOL-2/. I started out in /RD-SCHOOL-2/. | 273.4063 |
232 | LES_int_01 | 273.5602 | Where's that? | 274.1990 |
233 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 274.8844 | Man, Ya- Okay. [Yeah. I don't exactly remember. /RD-SCHOOL-6/.] | 280.0451 |
234 | LES_int_01 | 276.3270 | [Oh. Y- It's okay. I just haven't heard of it.] | 278.4206 |
235 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 280.4508 | I don't know if they're still around now, I really don't know. | 282.1669 |
236 | LES_int_01 | 282.6671 | Oh. Yeah. I don't [know.] | 283.7676 |
237 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 283.5018 | [And what they teach.] | 284.4483 |
238 | Misc | 283.6621 | [They went out of print.] | 284.4735 |
239 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 284.7235 | Yeah, it's not there? | 285.4889 |
240 | LES_int_01 | 285.4889 | They- he said [they went] out of [print.] | 287.0836 |
241 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 286.1230 | [Huh?] | 286.3282 |
243 | | 286.8225 | [<laugh> Yeah.] They- <laugh> They probably did. That's probably what happened. | 291.4181 |
244 | Misc | 288.1518 | [Sorry.] | 288.5621 |
245 | LES_int_01 | 291.7767 | /RD-NAME-2/, you're [interrupting.] | 293.0944 |
246 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 292.5442 | [<laugh>] | 294.9721 |
247 | Misc | 292.7758 | [Sorry.] | 293.2235 |
248 | LES_int_01 | 293.9229 | [<laugh>] | 294.9721 |
249 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 295.6715 | I went there for a short time, and then I realized there's no girls in this school, [so.] | 299.5870 |
250 | LES_int_01 | 299.4564 | [Was] it all [boys?] | 300.6827 |
251 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 300.1605 | [Yeah. It was] an all boys [school. I don't even know if they have that now.] | 303.6859 |
252 | LES_int_01 | 301.9582 | [That's pro- s- That's not so much fun] | 304.2594 |
253 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 303.9563 | [Yeah.] | 304.3107 |
254 | LES_int_01 | 304.6371 | when you're [a teen.] | 305.4998 |
255 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 305.0148 | [So,] I went there for | 306.8336 |
256 | | 307.1040 | like, | 307.3838 |
258 | | 307.5003 | I ha- not even a semester. Six months or so. | 309.4507 |
259 | LES_int_01 | 309.5953 | Mm-hm. | 309.8797 |
260 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 309.8797 | Realizes, ah, this is not | 311.0455 |
261 | | 311.1947 | cool. [I don't] even know why I went there. | 312.8440 |
262 | LES_int_01 | 311.6176 | [Mm.] | 312.0186 |
263 | | 312.9326 | [Mm-hm.] | 313.3476 |
264 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 313.2217 | [I] think I went there wi- my brother went there. He had | 315.1474 |
265 | | 315.2920 | graduated from there and [um.] | 317.2866 |
266 | LES_int_01 | 316.8296 | [Oh. Okay.] | 317.2866 |
267 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 317.7155 | So, I kind of went there because he was | 319.5294 |
269 | | 319.7206 | the- said it was a cool school, but | 321.0775 |
271 | | 321.2080 | you know, he left out the part about there's no girls in that school. | 323.8368 |
272 | LES_int_01 | 323.9953 | No [fun.] | 324.5455 |
273 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 324.4383 | [So] I s- I ha- spent six months there, and then I | 326.5179 |
274 | | 327.0682 | got into /RD-SCHOOL-5/, where I stayed and graduated | 329.9207 |
276 | | 330.8859 | <ts> in nineteen seventy-seven, I think it [was.] | 333.3060 |
277 | LES_int_01 | 333.1474 | [Okay.] | 333.6510 |
278 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 333.9716 | [Uh. Uh. Oh. I'm dating us again, Kara. <laugh>] | 336.4616 |
279 | LES_int_01 | 333.9716 | [And did you -] | 335.0208 |
281 | | 335.1746 | [No. Yeah, that's alright.] | 336.4616 |
282 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 336.7740 | Uh-oh. I messed up. [<laugh>] | 338.7837 |
283 | LES_int_01 | 337.7719 | [<laugh>] | 338.7837 |
284 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 338.8583 | Um. | 339.2873 |
285 | LES_int_01 | 339.2873 | And what did you do after high school? | 340.4286 |
286 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 340.4286 | After high school, I think I stayed out a semester, and I ended up going to a community college. | 344.8910 |
287 | | 345.3188 | /RD-SCHOOL-10/ | 346.8244 |
288 | LES_int_01 | 346.6664 | [Mm-hm.] | 346.9788 |
289 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 347.2213 | where I majored in accounting originally, and then I got into music, and changed my major to music, and. | 353.6647 |
291 | | 354.8910 | Uh. | 355.2967 |
292 | LES_int_01 | 355.6268 | [You studied like, music theory?] | 357.1469 |
293 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 355.7061 | [Studied music there.] | 356.7319 |
294 | | 357.3101 | Music theory. Um. | 359.1323 |
296 | | 361.0828 | Everything, pretty much, Bach Harmonies, and stuff like that. | 363.6054 |
298 | | 363.7220 | Um. | 364.1463 |
299 | LES_int_01 | 364.6301 | Cool. | 364.9705 |
301 | | 365.6233 | [History. Music History.] | 367.0082 |
302 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 365.8378 | [The whole- yeah, history, jazz,] | 367.7449 |
303 | | 367.9827 | stuff, you had everything in there pretty much. | 370.0064 |
304 | LES_int_01 | 370.0297 | That's [great.] | 370.6059 |
305 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 370.3173 | [It's a] mixture of stuff. | 371.1896 |
306 | | 371.6886 | Um. | 372.1735 |
308 | | 373.0455 | <ts> Actually, I didn't graduate from there, but I- I | 374.9386 |
310 | | 375.1391 | pretty much went | 375.8339 |
312 | | 376.0064 | you know. | 376.6338 |
314 | | 377.0208 | I went there for two years and | 378.1679 |
315 | LES_int_01 | 378.1912 | Yeah, | 378.4290 |
316 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 378.4290 | didn't graduate and | 379.2217 |
317 | | 379.6507 | ended up uh | 380.4620 |
319 | | 380.8560 | after all along, I was working in the supermarket as a | 383.1548 |
321 | | 383.5651 | you know, clerk, and then they [made me] the manager, not a manager, made me assistant manager there. | 387.3150 |
322 | LES_int_01 | 384.4697 | [Yeah.] | 384.7397 |
323 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 387.5435 | /RD-WORK-1/ Supermarket. | 388.9004 |
324 | LES_int_01 | 387.7022 | [What supermarket? an-] | 388.9140 |
325 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 389.1247 | [And-] | 389.5154 |
326 | LES_int_01 | 389.1247 | [Where's that?] | 389.5154 |
327 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 389.8008 | /RD-WORK-1/ at that time were big- | 391.2057 |
329 | | 391.4998 | big, uh, uh chain of supermarkets back then. | 394.1230 |
330 | LES_int_01 | 394.3118 | Were you working at one in the neighborhood? | 395.7079 |
331 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 395.7435 | I was working at the one in the village on | 398.0353 |
333 | | 398.7114 | /RD-ADDRESS-2/ | 399.1674 |
334 | LES_int_01 | 399.6333 | Mm. Mm-hm. | 400.3314 |
335 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 400.3314 | Yeah /RD-ADDRESS-2/ and like | 401.2692 |
336 | | 401.6688 | around /RD-ADDRESS-3/ | 402.7400 |
338 | | 403.3513 | I worked a f- in a few different ones, but I ended up on- | 405.6935 |
340 | | 406.0491 | on the | 406.3872 |
342 | | 406.9755 | /RD-ADDRESS-4/ | 407.7921 |
344 | | 408.5560 | uh, store. | 409.1048 |
345 | LES_int_01 | 409.3023 | Okay. | 409.6887 |
346 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 409.6887 | Uh. Where they made me assistant manager there. | 411.6138 |
347 | | 411.8289 | [And so,] | 412.3733 |
348 | LES_int_01 | 411.8289 | [Mm-hm.] | 412.1626 |
349 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 412.4787 | you know, it was- it got | 413.2997 |
351 | | 413.4226 | you know, kind of | 414.0987 |
353 | | 414.2567 | busy there. I- I won't say that's why I- | 415.7593 |
355 | | 416.0315 | I didn't finish | 416.6593 |
357 | | 417.3990 | uh, uh | 417.7195 |
359 | | 417.8424 | graduate from- | 418.5712 |
361 | | 418.6766 | from college, but | 419.7522 |
362 | LES_int_01 | 420.0244 | Yeah. | 420.3932 |
363 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 420.6389 | <ts> | 420.7216 |
365 | | 420.9727 | you know, i- | 421.4205 |
367 | | 421.8903 | they were paying me enough money where I could feel- I- you know, I don't [have to go] to school, you know, whatever. Which was a mistake. | 426.5506 |
368 | LES_int_01 | 424.5749 | [Yeah.] | 424.8603 |
369 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 427.0423 | Anyway. | 427.5515 |
370 | LES_int_01 | 427.5515 | [Mm-hm.] | 427.9247 |
371 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 427.7974 | [Um.] | 428.3330 |
372 | | 428.6359 | Did that for a while. | 429.8330 |
374 | | 431.2818 | Um. | 432.4627 |
376 | | 432.7569 | End up | 433.3452 |
378 | | 433.5559 | moving into Brooklyn, | 435.7774 |
380 | | 436.2735 | left the neighborhood for a while, but not too far. [Williamsburg] section of Brooklyn, right over the bridge. | 440.4003 |
381 | LES_int_01 | 438.4242 | [Okay.] | 438.7958 |
382 | | 440.4003 | Mm-hm. | 440.8174 |
383 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 441.1379 | In um | 441.9589 |
384 | LES_int_01 | 442.1257 | I used to live [there actually.] | 443.3901 |
385 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 443.0521 | [Yeah?] | 443.3857 |
386 | | 443.5024 | [Yeah.] Lived there for like three years, I actually had a roommate who was /RD-NAME-2/ | 446.3912 |
387 | LES_int_01 | 443.5131 | [Yeah.] | 443.7922 |
388 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 446.9971 | /RD-NAME-2/, we'd be [roommates there.] | 448.3756 |
389 | LES_int_01 | 447.9542 | [Ah.] | 448.2746 |
390 | | 448.4898 | Mm-hm. | 448.9156 |
391 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 449.4190 | And we lived there for like three years. I forget the exact three years [we were there.] | 452.4000 |
392 | LES_int_01 | 451.7718 | [This is like in your] twenties? | 452.8475 |
393 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 453.4756 | Yeah, we were early twenties, then. Like, we- we kind of moved out | 456.3875 |
395 | | 456.5016 | early | 457.1250 |
397 | | 457.4060 | twenties. | 457.9811 |
398 | LES_int_01 | 458.1655 | You moved out of LaGuardia. | 459.4025 |
399 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 459.5078 | Yeah, moved out of there. | 460.5088 |
400 | LES_int_01 | 460.5088 | Mm-hm. | 460.8688 |
401 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 461.1196 | And moved into the- a loft we had- we had in, um, Brooklyn. | 464.7679 |
402 | LES_int_01 | 464.9007 | Mm-hm. | 465.1597 |
403 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 465.1597 | [Storefront] loft, which was really nice | 466.7183 |
404 | LES_int_01 | 466.8456 | Mm-hm. | 467.2715 |
405 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 467.2715 | at the time. | 467.8773 |
406 | | 468.3910 | Um. | 469.1117 |
408 | | 469.7087 | Where we had a little rehearsal studio there, and we did all our musical stuff, and had our equipment and pianos and stuff | 475.8079 |
409 | LES_int_01 | 476.0977 | [Mm-hm.] | 476.4577 |
410 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 476.2689 | [had a] lot of fun there. His band rehearsed there. | 478.3521 |
411 | | 479.4277 | <ts> | 479.5243 |
413 | | 479.9765 | Then after that, | 480.7448 |
415 | | 480.8309 | let me see, I'm losing there [/??/.] | 482.8285 |
416 | LES_int_01 | 482.3675 | [<laugh>] | 483.3504 |
417 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 483.0299 | [I should] know more now, but after that, I think we- | 485.9011 |
418 | | 486.7704 | we decided we didn't want to renew our lease. | 488.5715 |
419 | LES_int_01 | 488.7823 | Okay. | 489.0413 |
420 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 489.0413 | He was gonna get married. Oh. Not married, I don't think he got married, at the time, or he was gonna have a kid. Oh it was a lot of things going on [there.] | 495.1646 |
421 | LES_int_01 | 494.9495 | [Right.] | 495.3534 |
422 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 495.5114 | And I was with a woman at the time, and w- decided oh, we- you know, we're just gonna go | 498.9079 |
424 | | 499.0747 | you know, our separate- not separate ways, but w- you know, we're not gonna have this place anymore. | 502.4431 |
425 | LES_int_01 | 502.4431 | Right. | 502.8163 |
426 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 503.6160 | And we did that. | 504.4809 |
427 | LES_int_01 | 504.7267 | Mm-hm. | 505.1701 |
428 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 505.5038 | <ts> I moved where ever I moved, which was I think up in, uh, | 508.5331 |
430 | | 509.9846 | <ts> uh | 510.3534 |
432 | | 510.5603 | around Lincoln Center area. | 511.7676 |
434 | | 512.3027 | I think he [stay- he s-] | 513.7295 |
435 | LES_int_01 | 512.9173 | [Oh, okay. Back] into Manhattan. | 514.4188 |
436 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 514.4188 | Yeah. Back into Manhattan. | 515.6470 |
437 | | 516.2045 | He stayed here on the Lower East Side | 518.2284 |
439 | | 518.4106 | uh, and | 519.7145 |
441 | | 520.1228 | got married, and | 521.9228 |
443 | | 522.0589 | had kids I think. | 523.0994 |
444 | LES_int_01 | 523.3233 | Mm-hm. | 523.6746 |
445 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 523.7404 | Uh. Or kid. | 524.5921 |
447 | | 525.3413 | At that time. | 526.1887 |
449 | | 526.9174 | Um. | 527.6287 |
451 | | 527.8482 | I had a little baby girl also around that [time. I think I was] about twenty-six at the time. | 532.6643 |
452 | LES_int_01 | 530.5244 | [Oh, you did?] | 531.2400 |
453 | | 533.0225 | [Wonderful.] | 533.5636 |
454 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 533.3239 | [When we] had a little girl and- | 534.6059 |
455 | | 534.9703 | and just started, you know. | 535.9274 |
457 | | 536.3368 | This whole family thing. [Still] in Manhattan. | 538.4973 |
458 | LES_int_01 | 537.5490 | [Mm-hm.] | 537.8871 |
459 | | 538.9276 | Mm-hm. | 539.3095 |
460 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 539.4303 | You know, for a | 540.0010 |
462 | | 540.6947 | I lived in Manhattan most- I just recently | 542.7306 |
464 | | 542.8799 | actually moved to the Bronx. | 543.9380 |
465 | LES_int_01 | 544.4472 | And did you ever move back to the Lower East Side? | 546.5392 |
466 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 546.5392 | I did, actually. | 547.3645 |
467 | | 547.4611 | A- For- for a short | 548.4270 |
469 | | 548.5060 | while. My mother was still living here on the Lower East Side. | 550.8109 |
471 | | 550.9207 | She [lived there-] | 551.7021 |
472 | LES_int_01 | 551.2412 | [In LaGuardia?] | 551.9700 |
473 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 551.9700 | Yeah. She still lived there. | 553.0928 |
474 | LES_int_01 | 553.0928 | Mm-hm. | 553.4528 |
475 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 553.6108 | And she had retired | 554.6337 |
477 | | 555.6830 | <ts> and then she became ill and | 557.1241 |
479 | | 557.2339 | passed away. | 557.8397 |
481 | | 558.6124 | And so, we moved back | 560.9590 |
483 | | 561.1171 | in, in the hopes of we could get that apartment. | 563.4900 |
484 | LES_int_01 | 563.7578 | [Yeah.] | 564.1837 |
485 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 563.8193 | [You know] we could kind of | 564.8729 |
486 | | 565.2198 | regain that apartment. My bro- my older brother was still living there at the time. | 568.2699 |
487 | LES_int_01 | 568.4060 | Okay. | 568.8318 |
488 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 568.9240 | And he um, | 570.1138 |
490 | | 571.7909 | he was on the lease. You know, if you ha- it's a special | 574.3389 |
492 | | 574.5760 | thing. You have to [be on the lease, if you. Yeah.] | 576.2355 |
493 | LES_int_01 | 574.9755 | [Yeah, you can pass it on right?] | 576.5648 |
494 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 576.5823 | Yeah, but if you're not on the lease, then you can't. | 578.9498 |
496 | | 579.4711 | So, he was on the lease. | 581.0779 |
498 | | 581.2667 | And none of us el- | 582.2326 |
500 | | 582.3336 | none- [no w- I weren't] | 584.1336 |
501 | LES_int_01 | 582.9131 | [You weren't on the lease.] | 584.2214 |
502 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 584.3224 | I wasn't. So. | 584.9941 |
504 | | 586.2193 | What ended up happening, he died. | 588.1335 |
506 | | 589.1988 | With uh, without me ever getting on the lease. | 591.2139 |
507 | LES_int_01 | 591.2930 | [Oh no.] | 592.0349 |
508 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 591.8769 | [And] so, I had to leave that apartment where I grew up actually, again. | 595.2003 |
509 | | 595.3101 | You [know.] | 595.6009 |
510 | LES_int_01 | 595.4857 | [Oh.] | 596.1848 |
511 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 597.0760 | [And.] | 597.5458 |
512 | LES_int_01 | 597.0760 | [That's sad.] | 597.7214 |
513 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 597.7214 | Yeah, nah, it was so- yeah it was okay. I- I- maybe it was time to get out of the neighborhood anyway at that time. | 601.8175 |
514 | | 602.4173 | Um. | 602.8915 |
515 | LES_int_01 | 602.8915 | When was this that you were back and | 604.5598 |
516 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 605.0505 | [I was back in around] two thousand and one, I [think.] | 608.1665 |
517 | LES_int_01 | 605.1460 | [Were you here for a few years?] | 606.6518 |
519 | | 608.0040 | [Oh,] tha- so it was recently? | 609.1806 |
520 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 609.1806 | Yeah. | 609.4792 |
521 | | 609.9401 | I think | 610.5021 |
523 | | 610.5855 | I left | 611.2836 |
525 | | 612.5201 | uh. | 612.9679 |
527 | | 613.2050 | I was living in Harlem at the time, I ended up moving in Harlem | 615.7118 |
529 | | 616.1640 | like a block away from where my father grew up. | 618.1150 |
531 | | 618.2774 | You know. | 618.5233 |
533 | | 618.8657 | [For a while there.] | 619.4935 |
534 | LES_int_01 | 618.9316 | [You've be- you've] lived all over the city. | 620.6262 |
535 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 620.6262 | Yeah, yeah. | 621.0477 |
536 | | 621.3418 | Manhattan, though. I've always like [Manhattan you know.] | 622.9251 |
537 | LES_int_01 | 622.6046 | [You like] Manhattan. | 623.5000 |
538 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 623.6670 | [Not like anything.] | 624.2838 |
539 | LES_int_01 | 623.6670 | [But, now, recently,] | 624.7272 |
540 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 625.1311 | Now, I'm [in the Bronx.] | 626.4438 |
541 | LES_int_01 | 625.5351 | [You've crossed up] into [the Bronx. How do you like it up there?] | 628.5205 |
542 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 627.0278 | [Yeah, way f-] | 628.2526 |
543 | | 629.1437 | It's just far away. | 630.1929 |
545 | | 630.3976 | You know. [It's just] distant and | 632.5664 |
546 | LES_int_01 | 630.6184 | [Yeah.] | 631.0136 |
547 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 632.8562 | [you don't have] some of the amenities that you have here [in the city. So] you know. | 636.5359 |
548 | LES_int_01 | 632.8562 | [/unintelligible/] | 633.4957 |
550 | | 635.2825 | [Yeah.] | 635.7742 |
551 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 637.0879 | Yeah, I- ha - my home, most of the time. There's nothing you don't | 639.5521 |
553 | | 639.8418 | not a time for tra- unless I'm doing something like this. | 642.0270 |
554 | LES_int_01 | 642.0929 | Yeah. | 642.5056 |
555 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 642.6504 | You know, don't get out and start traveling around, you know. | 644.9817 |
556 | LES_int_01 | 644.9077 | It takes a long time. | 645.9366 |
557 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 646.1319 | Very long time. Take me a hour and a half maybe to get here. | 648.3095 |
559 | | 649.1612 | Um. | 649.6310 |
560 | LES_int_01 | 649.6873 | Yeah. I have a s- my sister-in-law lives in Washington Heights. | 653.5568 |
561 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 654.1714 | Okay. Yeah. | 654.8739 |
562 | LES_int_01 | 654.8739 | I [mean, that's a little closer, but still.] From this neighborhood, it's at least an hour, and on the weekends, with the- | 660.3946 |
563 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 655.0187 | [Alright.] | 655.3480 |
565 | | 655.6197 | [I mean, that's clo- yeah, yeah. Yeah.] | 657.4153 |
566 | LES_int_01 | 660.5088 | when the A is local. | 661.6947 |
568 | | 662.8098 | Forget [it.] | 663.4857 |
569 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 663.0820 | [Yeah. You] never know on the weekends. You don't know- [never know] what the train is gonna be like. | 666.9443 |
570 | LES_int_01 | 664.9424 | [I know.] | 665.4385 |
571 | | 666.9443 | I know. I know. | 667.9805 |
572 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 668.3009 | And | 668.6522 |
574 | | 669.4911 | [for that reason,] | 670.2506 |
575 | LES_int_01 | 669.5833 | [Uh.] | 669.9477 |
576 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 670.5096 | you know, | 670.7994 |
578 | | 671.0189 | [I stay home most of the time.] | 671.9101 |
579 | LES_int_01 | 671.0672 | [Se- L- um.] | 671.9101 |
580 | | 672.0692 | So, I wanna go back to your- your er- kind of earliest memories of | 676.0205 |
581 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 676.0205 | [Okay.] | 676.3146 |
582 | LES_int_01 | 676.1478 | [about] the neighborhood. Um. Wha- ha- | 678.7864 |
583 | | 678.8917 | who were your friends? When you were a little kid? | 681.0825 |
584 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 681.3953 | [Well, most of the friends.] | 682.4006 |
585 | LES_int_01 | 681.3953 | [And what did you play?] | 682.4006 |
586 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 682.7914 | Most of the friends | 683.5158 |
588 | | 684.4816 | lived in the building or in that | 685.9008 |
590 | | 686.5681 | you know | 686.9149 |
592 | | 687.2091 | complex or [whatever you] wanna call it. | 688.5525 |
593 | LES_int_01 | 687.8109 | [Yeah.] | 688.0875 |
594 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 689.4745 | In that project | 690.2735 |
596 | | 690.4623 | development, uh | 691.5379 |
598 | | 691.8693 | most of the- most of us, you know, you- | 693.4279 |
600 | | 693.7572 | you play with whoever lived there. | 695.0276 |
601 | LES_int_01 | 695.3217 | Yeah. | 695.6071 |
602 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 695.9539 | Basically. | 696.4983 |
604 | | 696.9900 | [Um.] | 697.5037 |
605 | LES_int_01 | 697.2117 | [And who] lived there? Now, /RD-NAME-2/ mentioned he was | 699.5649 |
606 | | 699.6659 | in the minority. | 700.6142 |
608 | | 702.2023 | You [know. /inaudible/] | 704.0418 |
609 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 702.5491 | [Well it back- I don't know. Then-] then, it w- there would've- there were not a lots | 706.6672 |
610 | | 706.8648 | of | 707.0448 |
612 | | 707.6199 | there were Jews in the area maybe, but not in that development. | 710.1218 |
613 | LES_int_01 | 710.1218 | Right. | 710.5345 |
614 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 710.9077 | <ts> No, there were Jews in that development. There weren't uh- | 712.6770 |
616 | | 713.0062 | they weren't in abundance. | 714.1186 |
618 | | 714.7612 | And there was a mixture, you know, it was [all kind of-] it was | 716.7588 |
619 | LES_int_01 | 716.0695 | [You were-] | 716.3110 |
620 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 716.9564 | you know. | 717.3712 |
622 | | 717.4590 | Few Chinese, you had- you had little Spanish, you had | 720.4576 |
624 | | 720.6116 | Italian, you had a little bit of everything back then. | 722.8635 |
625 | LES_int_01 | 722.9732 | Okay. | 723.3859 |
626 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 723.6845 | Um. | 724.1487 |
628 | | 725.1673 | I guess black was a majority in there, in the- in- in that development. I- I- I like, I don't even say that | 730.3686 |
630 | | 730.5135 | then | 730.7945 |
632 | | 730.8911 | not back way- when- I'm talking about when I was three or four. | 733.8551 |
633 | LES_int_01 | 733.8551 | Yeah. | 734.2846 |
634 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 734.3775 | And stuff. I don't- I don't | 735.3439 |
636 | | 735.4405 | know if that was- | 736.5512 |
638 | | 737.3722 | there was any majority. It might have [been a balance. Yeah. Yeah.] | 740.3949 |
639 | LES_int_01 | 738.8363 | [It was just really mixed.] | 740.2469 |
640 | | 740.6188 | And your friends kind of reflected that. | 742.2062 |
641 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 742.2062 | Yeah. And everybody kind of, we played- everybody played together. | 745.4481 |
642 | | 745.7263 | [You know, and there was.] | 746.4809 |
643 | LES_int_01 | 745.8838 | [What did you play?] | 746.6126 |
644 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 747.6399 | Oh, we played | 748.4653 |
646 | | 748.7112 | tag, that was the- no. No. No. What was that thing we played? | 751.4177 |
648 | | 751.8173 | Where we'd run around | 753.1431 |
650 | | 753.2836 | it wasn't [tag.] | 754.1178 |
651 | LES_int_01 | 754.0573 | [Were] you playing [tha- y-] you [had um.] | 755.8058 |
652 | Misc | 754.6556 | [Manhunt.] | 755.1473 |
653 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 755.4837 | [Yeah.] Manhunt. | 756.2739 |
654 | | 756.3573 | Right. | 756.6120 |
655 | LES_int_01 | 756.7366 | [Uh. you had a- uh.] Like a | 758.2995 |
656 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 756.7832 | [Manhunt.] | 757.2889 |
658 | | 757.4848 | [Right.] | 757.6806 |
659 | LES_int_01 | 758.4647 | playground? | 759.1276 |
660 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 759.9574 | [Yeah, oh, I mean,] | 761.0483 |
661 | LES_int_01 | 760.0561 | [/inaudible/] | 761.0483 |
662 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 761.5883 | i- | 761.7596 |
664 | | 762.0932 | we didn't really play in the [playground that much.] | 764.3514 |
665 | LES_int_01 | 763.5547 | [Where'd you play? Like] on the street? | 764.7671 |
666 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 764.9396 | Yeah, we'd just run around the whole development. | 766.5563 |
668 | | 766.7276 | You know, and we'd play- that's the name of the game, manhunt. [Right.] | 769.2223 |
669 | LES_int_01 | 768.7466 | [Yeah.] Yeah. [I've heard of that.] | 769.9776 |
670 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 769.5673 | [I don't even] remember that. | 770.5232 |
671 | LES_int_01 | 770.6444 | Somebody hides. | 771.5770 |
672 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 771.9221 | Yeah, and you just. And I forgot exactly how the rules of that game. | 775.1581 |
674 | | 776.0393 | [How did that go?] | 776.7294 |
675 | LES_int_01 | 776.1093 | [It's-] | 776.4870 |
676 | | 776.9393 | you just try to find them? | 778.0532 |
677 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 778.2522 | Yeah, and you just [kind of] | 779.1848 |
678 | LES_int_01 | 778.7668 | [Is that.] | 779.1848 |
679 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 779.3059 | I think it was a group of people | 780.7795 |
681 | | 781.0686 | you know, it was a group- you get a | 782.0385 |
683 | | 782.1271 | couple of groups together, and they just like hunt each other down, and [try to find- chase each other] down. | 786.2231 |
684 | LES_int_01 | 784.5618 | [Right.] | 784.9908 |
686 | | 785.1074 | [Oh. Yeah.] | 785.8395 |
687 | | 786.6148 | Is it [a flag?] | 787.3935 |
688 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 786.7547 | [And] | 787.0204 |
689 | | 787.9297 | <ts> [No.] We just tagged you I think, and that made you part of our team or something like [that. How did that go?] | 792.3744 |
690 | LES_int_01 | 788.1005 | [No.] | 788.3515 |
692 | | 791.5930 | [Oh.] I think you're right. | 793.3929 |
693 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 793.3929 | Yeah, I forget how that went. | 794.5679 |
694 | LES_int_01 | 794.9639 | I did play it too. [I /inaudible/.] | 796.6379 |
695 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 795.8779 | [And then, you'd hunt] down to the last guy, and then I forgot what happened. We'd probably do it all over again. | 799.6035 |
696 | | 799.7201 | You know. | 800.1164 |
697 | LES_int_01 | 800.1164 | Right. | 800.6900 |
699 | | 800.7926 | Or p- [/inaudible/] | 802.0411 |
700 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 801.0385 | [Kick the can. We played] that. I played that.[Kick the can.] | 803.5425 |
701 | LES_int_01 | 802.9449 | [What's kick the can?] | 803.8122 |
702 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 803.7430 | [Kick] the can, you just got in the middle of the street, | 805.7108 |
703 | | 806.1304 | and you get a group of people on one side, and another group of people on the other side, and then put the can in the middle. | 811.1627 |
705 | | 812.2957 | It's a silly game if you think about it. <laugh> You [kick the can] | 817.5870 |
706 | LES_int_01 | 816.6648 | [And then what- and] then what happens? | 818.4216 |
707 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 818.7723 | [Wait. Wait. Wait. I forget] exactly. | 820.4274 |
708 | LES_int_01 | 818.7723 | [Everyone runs at it?] | 819.6773 |
709 | Misc | 820.1805 | [It's like] that capture the flag thing. | 821.8922 |
710 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 821.9850 | Yeah. You kick [the can, and then somebody had to chase it. What was the thing? I think you forget that.] | 825.6596 |
711 | Misc | 822.2522 | [The can. /inaudible/] | 825.1857 |
712 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 826.1710 | I know we played it and that was a big game [back then.] | 828.4989 |
713 | LES_int_01 | 827.9021 | [Wait.] | 828.1819 |
715 | | 828.3319 | [Had] two groups on one side, [a can in the middle.] | 830.6017 |
716 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 829.5480 | [It was a group on one side and.] | 830.6149 |
717 | | 830.7071 | Yeah. And a can in the middle and it would run- who could kick the can first. | 833.4718 |
719 | | 833.8933 | Then you [kicked the c] | 834.8663 |
720 | Misc | 834.1645 | [/inaudible/] | 834.8578 |
721 | LES_int_01 | 834.1827 | [Everyone ran] at the can [at the same time?] | 836.7296 |
722 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 835.7004 | [Yeah.] And somebody would have to kick i- I forget how exactly that went man. It was a silly [game.] | 840.0281 |
723 | Misc | 839.7998 | [It's illegal in /inaudible/] | 841.2753 |
724 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 840.3794 | [<laugh>] | 842.3067 |
725 | LES_int_01 | 841.6438 | [<laugh>] | 842.3067 |
726 | | 842.7463 | I just don't really [get] | 843.6111 |
727 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 843.4927 | [So,] | 843.7781 |
728 | | 843.9010 | [I don't get the poi- No- I don't either.] | 845.9776 |
729 | LES_int_01 | 844.0129 | [the point.] | 844.5814 |
730 | Misc | 844.6589 | [/inaudible/] | 846.7283 |
731 | LES_int_01 | 845.9864 | [<laugh>] | 846.7415 |
732 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 846.1795 | [You know,] when you're a kid, [it is no point to a lot of games. You know, you just] do stuff, you know? | 850.0367 |
733 | LES_int_01 | 847.5943 | [<laugh> Yeah.] | 849.3724 |
734 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 850.4166 | There's no point to it really. | 851.5970 |
735 | LES_int_01 | 851.6761 | Now, [/inaudible/] | 852.3648 |
736 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 851.9565 | [Checkers.] Slu- uh. We played skellzies though. | 853.7345 |
737 | LES_int_01 | 853.8882 | Oh yes. [Go- with the marbles?] | 855.8287 |
738 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 854.7092 | [We plays skellzies.] | 855.8287 |
739 | | 856.1975 | No, no, [no,] no. These were like | 857.9580 |
740 | LES_int_01 | 856.7093 | [No.] | 856.9464 |
741 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 859.2986 | let's say | 860.0801 |
742 | LES_int_01 | 860.0801 | Oh, no. That's [pocket.] | 861.1320 |
743 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 861.0152 | [can] | 861.4499 |
744 | | 861.6595 | you know, let's say you get bottle tops. | 863.1697 |
745 | LES_int_01 | 863.8327 | Oh. [Skellzies.] | 865.0663 |
746 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 864.8556 | [Yeah.] And you fill it with clay. | 866.0849 |
747 | LES_int_01 | 866.1771 | Or [wax or something?] | 867.7751 |
748 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 866.3527 | [You know, y- y- you] k- you know, I- you modify your top though. You know, you- so you have, you know | 871.3190 |
749 | | 871.6790 | your top floats across the ground really good. | 873.8835 |
750 | LES_int_01 | 872.1974 | [You make it like] | 872.9657 |
751 | | 873.8835 | aerodynamic. [<laugh>] | 875.2971 |
752 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 874.5903 | [Yeah. Exactly.] Exactly. You slide it on the floor, and you scrape it | 878.1382 |
753 | | 878.3665 | til it's smooth so it goes across the floor really quick. | 880.9589 |
754 | LES_int_01 | 881.1521 | Okay. | 881.5823 |
755 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 881.6965 | And it's accurate, and you- you know, it [helps] the accuracy on it. | 884.3789 |
756 | LES_int_01 | 883.1241 | [Right.] | 883.4139 |
757 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 884.5817 | You know. Or if you were really good, | 886.4336 |
759 | | 886.6224 | and your father used the shaving cream, right. | 888.8713 |
760 | LES_int_01 | 889.0247 | [Yeah.] | 889.2961 |
761 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 889.1565 | [There] was a special top that they used to have on the shaving cream. If you had one of those tops, then- | 892.7609 |
762 | | 892.9189 | and you pulled one of those out, we knew we would be in trouble because | 895.6535 |
764 | | 896.0162 | those tops just were made | 897.3641 |
766 | | 897.4958 | [for skellzies. You know.] Yeah. Exactly.] | 899.1421 |
767 | LES_int_01 | 897.4958 | [They were perfect.] | 898.4623 |
768 | | 899.2782 | And the point [was to] | 900.5075 |
769 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 899.7831 | [And you put some] | 900.4855 |
770 | LES_int_01 | 900.9710 | [slide it.] | 901.5901 |
771 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 901.0501 | [you know, you-] you'd have to go from box to box. This game I remember now. | 904.1832 |
772 | LES_int_01 | 904.1832 | Yeah. | 904.4466 |
773 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 904.5827 | You'd have to go, you'd start in box one, | 906.3476 |
775 | | 906.6944 | box two was like diagonally across this thing that we'd draw [out of chalk.] | 910.7840 |
776 | LES_int_01 | 910.1474 | [And how far] away? Like feet away? Or. | 912.3996 |
777 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 912.6498 | Maybe | 913.3567 |
779 | | 914.4894 | not ten feet. But about seven feet. | 916.8172 |
780 | LES_int_01 | 917.1158 | [So it was like a big] | 918.1914 |
781 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 917.2299 | [The next box] | 918.1651 |
782 | | 918.4943 | Yeah. You had- you had to [draw this] thing on the ground. You know, this whole thing. | 921.8211 |
783 | LES_int_01 | 919.3554 | [area.] | 919.8427 |
784 | | 921.8913 | Okay. | 922.3216 |
785 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 922.4094 | And, so you drew it out on the ground, and you ha- you know, we didn't actually measure it, but. [<laugh>] But. | 927.3151 |
786 | LES_int_01 | 926.4282 | [Yeah, yeah, yeah.] | 927.1131 |
787 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 927.9034 | And then you'd sh- you'd shoot your checker from box one to box two, and then you went to three, | 932.3902 |
789 | | 932.7063 | then you went to four, and you went all the way to thirteen. | 935.0244 |
791 | | 935.3536 | And if you got through all that, and you were the last guy standing, you were the winner. [You know, that kind of thing.] | 940.4277 |
792 | LES_int_01 | 939.3214 | [You were the winner. And] could you um, <ts> | 941.3585 |
793 | | 941.6438 | like, | 941.8917 |
795 | | 942.1902 | push another guy's | 943.6171 |
796 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 943.6171 | Yeah. You could [knock] hi- you could knock him out of the box. If he's near the box, you could knock him out of the box | 948.3834 |
797 | LES_int_01 | 944.1395 | [out?] | 944.4995 |
798 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 948.7610 | and what would happen is | 950.1527 |
800 | | 950.5698 | if, um. | 951.4549 |
802 | | 952.4647 | I- what was [another rule there?] | 953.8828 |
803 | Misc | 953.0289 | [You had to start from a certain.] | 954.3109 |
804 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 954.0672 | [Yeah.] Yeah. You'd have to go out. You'd have to really go- I wanna think- it was like- I forget. | 958.2505 |
805 | LES_int_01 | 957.3094 | [You were penalized somehow.] | 958.9384 |
806 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 958.3866 | [Yeah. Sort of] like that. [And you had to] start like not even | 960.9988 |
807 | LES_int_01 | 959.5398 | [Yeah.] | 959.8603 |
808 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 961.3369 | on the block. You would had to like two blocks away, you had to shoot your checker. (laughing) | 964.9753 |
809 | LES_int_01 | 965.0955 | [Oh.] | 965.5246 |
810 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 965.1750 | [Until] you got (laughing) with the rest of the guys. | 967.7697 |
811 | LES_int_01 | 965.8685 | [Oh. (laughing )] | 966.8212 |
812 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 968.0024 | It wasn't really all that, but. | 969.2141 |
813 | LES_int_01 | 969.3637 | That's [funny.] | 970.2637 |
814 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 969.6004 | [It was something] like that. | 970.7243 |
815 | | 970.8165 | And that was a game I remember we did a lot of. | 972.9957 |
816 | LES_int_01 | 973.1801 | Okay. | 973.5840 |
817 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 974.3567 | [Um.] | 974.7313 |
818 | LES_int_01 | 974.4547 | [Were] your, uh, were your parents strict? Or uh, [easy going? like were you] able to kind of go out and explore as a kid? | 982.0123 |
819 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 978.2454 | [Yeah. And] | 979.2727 |
820 | | 982.5259 | Yeah, well you- you d- un- in- as long as you were back by six o'clock. Before the | 986.2220 |
822 | | 986.3756 | before it got dark. [<laugh>] | 987.8859 |
823 | LES_int_01 | 987.3503 | [Okay.] | 987.8859 |
824 | | 988.1592 | [Okay.] | 988.5411 |
825 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 988.1855 | [You could explore] whatever you want. | 989.3972 |
826 | | 989.6938 | But, if you weren't back by six o'clock, then you'd there would be a problem with your next day's | 993.5880 |
828 | | 993.8382 | explorations, [you know what I'm saying (laughing). <laugh>] | 996.5251 |
829 | LES_int_01 | 994.6856 | [I believe it, I see.] | 996.2649 |
830 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 996.7578 | [<laugh>] | 997.8290 |
831 | LES_int_01 | 996.7578 | [So, you'd get in trouble if] you didn't get [back by five.] But | 999.3480 |
832 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 998.1846 | [Yeah. Exactly.] | 999.1153 |
833 | LES_int_01 | 999.5456 | [But they knew you were-] | 1000.5460 |
834 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 999.6553 | [Pretty much.] | 1000.4680 |
835 | LES_int_01 | 1000.6733 | you're mom wasn't | 1001.8982 |
837 | | 1002.0694 | keeping tabs on you during the [day? You got to-] | 1004.2587 |
838 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1003.4699 | [No. Pretty much] you kind of did what you d- I was responsible. So, you [know,] I- you know, I guess other kids who | 1009.0045 |
839 | LES_int_01 | 1007.0147 | [Yeah.] | 1007.2386 |
840 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1009.1011 | you know, did crazy things, you know, people you know, had to be monitored a little bit more. | 1012.1787 |
841 | LES_int_01 | 1012.3631 | Right. | 1012.7538 |
842 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1012.8943 | But, I was pretty responsible, so. | 1014.5193 |
843 | LES_int_01 | 1014.9171 | And were [you-] | 1015.6089 |
844 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1015.3916 | [I didn't think.] | 1015.8394 |
845 | LES_int_01 | 1015.9470 | were you staying kind of close to home when you went out and about? [or did you.] | 1019.7698 |
846 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1019.3220 | [Yeah. Pretty] much stayed in the neighborhood. | 1021.0825 |
847 | | 1021.3064 | You know, younger, stayed in the neighborhood, and then | 1023.1792 |
849 | | 1024.3646 | you know, girls got involved, and you would go visit girls, | 1026.7694 |
850 | LES_int_01 | 1026.7211 | [<laugh>] | 1027.3796 |
851 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1027.1645 | [that was-] you'd go in other neighborhoods and | 1028.8021 |
852 | | 1029.1975 | [you know.] | 1029.6893 |
853 | LES_int_01 | 1029.1975 | [Where ever the girls were.] | 1030.3477 |
854 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1029.8166 | [You would have to] see l- | 1030.7473 |
855 | | 1030.9010 | it's only like project developments, you'd go from like the LaGuardia | 1034.2733 |
857 | | 1034.5498 | [houses] | 1035.0728 |
858 | LES_int_01 | 1034.5498 | [Right.] | 1034.8729 |
859 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1035.4855 | to the | 1036.0643 |
861 | | 1036.3804 | uh | 1036.6850 |
863 | | 1036.8694 | what was that uh | 1037.7562 |
865 | | 1038.5201 | what's the thing behind | 1039.2681 |
866 | Misc | 1039.4130 | /RD-NAME-1/ and them. | 1039.9530 |
867 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1039.9530 | No. No. Yeah. Well, they were in a whole nother thing, but what's the- Vladecks Houses | 1043.7544 |
868 | LES_int_01 | 1043.7544 | Vladecks. [Yeah.] | 1044.3934 |
869 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1044.2622 | [You] know. And i- and it was territorial back then a little bit. | 1046.9761 |
870 | | 1047.0511 | You know. | 1047.4402 |
872 | | 1047.7044 | And everybody knew you were from LaGuardia, you're not from, you know, you're not from the Vladeck, so. | 1051.6232 |
874 | | 1051.8811 | [It was some little territorial thing.] | 1053.6131 |
875 | LES_int_01 | 1051.8811 | [Were- was one better than the] other? | 1054.1568 |
876 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1054.1568 | No. It was all the same thing. | 1055.2209 |
877 | | 1055.5678 | Pretty much all the same thing. But you had different groups of people, | 1058.1225 |
878 | LES_int_01 | 1058.1159 | Mm-hm. | 1058.5571 |
879 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1058.5538 | who | 1058.7882 |
880 | | 1058.9663 | recognized that we're Vladecks, and you're the | 1061.2362 |
882 | | 1061.3346 | thing and you know, as you walked into their project development, you know, people would take notice, you know. | 1065.6707 |
883 | LES_int_01 | 1065.7193 | This kind of sounds like [a little gang-like.] | 1067.7584 |
884 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1066.7318 | [Yeah tha- and.] | 1067.7349 |
885 | | 1067.9365 | Sort of. A little bit. A little bit. They got into that later on. You know, I don't remember exactly when that started, but | 1073.2991 |
887 | | 1073.6319 | it got into a little thing like that. I'm from The Hill, you know, you're from | 1076.7310 |
889 | | 1077.1294 | the, you know whatever project. And we're talking about we're not even a mile away, but there was these territorial things going on back then. | 1083.3328 |
890 | LES_int_01 | 1083.4078 | Yeah. | 1083.8578 |
891 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1084.3735 | Uh. Which made it more interesting when you went into all the neighborhoods, you know. | 1087.0334 |
893 | | 1087.1178 | When you we- so. | 1088.0145 |
894 | LES_int_01 | 1087.1178 | [Yeah.] | 1087.6006 |
895 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1088.6741 | [That- you know.] | 1089.1706 |
896 | LES_int_01 | 1088.7772 | [Did it ever] escalate into. | 1090.5239 |
897 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1091.0630 | I mean. | 1091.4005 |
899 | | 1091.5177 | With some people. I mean, not with me. I never really got into that, [but.] | 1094.5089 |
900 | LES_int_01 | 1094.3074 | [You-] you were not a [type to get into fights?] | 1096.7098 |
901 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1095.1412 | [I know- I remember there were like] people who would go. My brother told me stories of him | 1098.8625 |
902 | | 1099.1250 | going to visit girls in the Smith projects and got into the fights with the guys from the Smith, because | 1103.1827 |
904 | | 1103.4358 | you were going to see one of the girls from the Smith, and you're from LaGuardia. Yeah, I've heard stories that | 1107.1478 |
906 | | 1107.5228 | I've- that never happened to me, but | 1109.0931 |
907 | LES_int_01 | 1109.5056 | You- [So, you] were not a fighter? | 1111.0104 |
908 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1109.6322 | [with him.] | 1110.0260 |
910 | | 1111.0104 | No, no, [no] | 1111.7691 |
911 | LES_int_01 | 1111.4355 | [Is he] telling the truth? | 1112.2559 |
912 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1112.2559 | No, well | 1112.7434 |
913 | | 1112.8981 | no, I liked- I- I could fight. | 1114.8053 |
914 | LES_int_01 | 1114.8387 | I think you were a fighter Gary. | 1116.1231 |
915 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1115.6309 | [I could fight.] | 1116.3997 |
916 | Misc | 1116.4700 | I think- [I think that uh.] | 1117.9360 |
917 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1116.9334 | [But, I didn't fight. You know. I could- I boxed and stuff.] | 1119.8595 |
918 | LES_int_01 | 1117.9360 | [Or it's ju-] | 1118.5858 |
919 | Misc | 1118.4014 | [I think- I-] | 1119.2312 |
920 | | 1119.5561 | [I think that /RD-NAME-2/'s talking | 1121.0613 |
921 | LES_int_01 | 1119.9292 | [/Oh yeah/.] | 1120.3507 |
922 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1120.4078 | [Did some-] | 1120.8600 |
923 | Misc | 1121.2066 | that there was definitely like, [just /inaudible/] there- there- there was a | 1125.1084 |
924 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1122.2052 | [we did- you know, I studied karate for a while.] | 1123.8910 |
925 | Misc | 1125.2350 | definite change in the neighborhood | 1126.8100 |
927 | | 1127.1991 | from seventy | 1128.5291 |
929 | | 1129.3026 | three or four on. | 1131.1026 |
931 | | 1131.6745 | As opposed to, one of the examples was | 1134.3025 |
933 | | 1134.5134 | the ethnicity, when we were | 1136.3380 |
935 | | 1136.7974 | five, six, seven, eight and ten, it was | 1139.0147 |
937 | | 1139.2115 | Italian, | 1139.9639 |
939 | | 1140.1561 | German, Irish, uh- whites, | 1141.9889 |
941 | | 1142.2795 | uh- p- Spanish, Chinese and stuff. | 1143.9952 |
943 | | 1144.2436 | Then, the- it sort of changed as some of those people either died, the elderly, | 1148.2691 |
945 | | 1148.6206 | or they moved out of the [neighborhood, or] | 1150.6504 |
946 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1150.2613 | [Yeah.] | 1150.6222 |
947 | Misc | 1151.0348 | they left their parents | 1152.2472 |
949 | | 1152.6785 | they moved out | 1153.4144 |
951 | | 1153.6300 | then the parents died. | 1154.7035 |
953 | | 1154.9144 | At one point, just to reiterate, I- I was like the only Jewish family in there. | 1158.8766 |
954 | LES_int_01 | 1159.5639 | <ts> Yeah. I remember [you had said that.] | 1160.8469 |
955 | Misc | 1160.2724 | A- | 1160.4781 |
957 | | 1160.7553 | [You] know, but that was more like the. | 1162.5196 |
958 | LES_int_01 | 1162.5196 | That was later on. | 1163.1945 |
959 | Misc | 1163.1945 | That was when I was sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. | 1165.4650 |
960 | LES_int_01 | 1165.4650 | Mm-hm. | 1165.7697 |
961 | Misc | 1165.7697 | Which, so, there was that ten year period from six to sixteen | 1169.0398 |
963 | | 1169.3305 | that i- it started to becoming less diverse. | 1171.8711 |
965 | | 1172.4524 | and [getting] wilder. | 1173.7180 |
966 | LES_int_01 | 1172.7651 | [Yeah.] | 1173.0504 |
967 | Misc | 1174.2402 | This was petty | 1175.2631 |
969 | | 1175.5485 | if I'm in the Smith, | 1176.6022 |
971 | | 1176.7953 | they'd throw an egg at me, say, get the fuck out of here, or something like that. | 1179.6929 |
973 | | 1179.9651 | But, at seventy-five, | 1181.5154 |
975 | | 1181.7174 | you might get knifed or stabbed when the javelins and the- and the lords and all of [them, and so.] | 1187.0865 |
976 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1186.6334 | [Right, right. Little gangster.] | 1187.8846 |
977 | Misc | 1187.2972 | [It was a change.] | 1188.2665 |
978 | | 1188.4290 | You have to definitely- | 1189.3882 |
980 | | 1189.5639 | there is a period | 1190.4726 |
982 | | 1190.7492 | how violent that would have [gotten.] | 1192.6810 |
983 | LES_int_01 | 1192.3517 | [Mm.] | 1193.1551 |
984 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1192.6810 | [Yeah, yeah.] | 1193.2210 |
985 | Misc | 1193.2210 | You [know.] | 1193.6517 |
986 | LES_int_01 | 1193.5069 | [Did you] experience that? | 1194.4464 |
987 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1194.8683 | Well, I mean I saw it, but I never got involved with that. Never- | 1197.2874 |
988 | LES_int_01 | 1194.8683 | [/inaudible/] | 1195.1440 |
989 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1197.5078 | never involved myself with gangs and | 1199.3781 |
991 | | 1199.7203 | things like that. | 1200.4152 |
992 | LES_int_01 | 1200.4668 | Yeah. | 1200.7808 |
994 | | 1201.1978 | But you saw that- the [change that /RD-NAME-2/ was talking about?] | 1203.5698 |
995 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1202.0322 | [Yeah. I saw. Definitely. Definitely.] | 1203.5698 |
996 | | 1203.8229 | Definitely, you could see that. | 1204.8782 |
997 | LES_int_01 | 1205.0235 | And this was in [the-] | 1206.4016 |
998 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1206.1485 | [S- this] might have been junior high school time, so we were | 1208.7946 |
999 | Misc | 1209.6388 | It's actually Seventy-two. | 1210.7098 |
1000 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1210.7357 | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. | 1211.3714 |
1002 | | 1211.4792 | [We were in junior high school. Yeah.] | 1212.7027 |
1003 | LES_int_01 | 1211.4792 | [The Seventies, there was change. Yeah.] | 1213.8605 |
1004 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1213.1340 | [Yeah. Exactly.] | 1213.8605 |
1005 | LES_int_01 | 1214.3370 | And- and then how did it | 1215.5980 |
1007 | | 1215.7480 | sort of effect you, in d- or- or I guess | 1218.5981 |
1009 | | 1218.8043 | as you got older? | 1219.7325 |
1011 | | 1220.3887 | You weren't playing skellzies anymore. What were you [what were you doing /inaudible/?] | 1223.4854 |
1012 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1222.1307 | [Well, yeah. We didn't do that.] | 1223.2651 |
1013 | | 1223.4948 | I was then, you know, ki- school. Kind of concentrating on school a little bit. Finding our little part time jobs. | 1228.7302 |
1014 | LES_int_01 | 1229.0443 | [Yeah.] | 1229.2787 |
1015 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1229.0537 | [To] get little things that we wanted. | 1230.3896 |
1016 | | 1230.7664 | [And.] | 1231.6796 |
1017 | LES_int_01 | 1230.7664 | [Yeah.] | 1230.9856 |
1018 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1231.8552 | Girls, you know, obviously. | 1233.3304 |
1019 | LES_int_01 | 1233.6323 | Girls [are very important.] | 1234.5806 |
1020 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1233.8211 | [Um.] | 1234.1591 |
1022 | | 1234.3084 | [Mm-hm.] Yeah, yeah. That's | 1235.3577 |
1023 | | 1235.4323 | okay, if you can't [you know, leave out that ingredient. Yeah, exactly. You had to go to Vladecks], or wherever they were, that's where you had to go. | 1240.5838 |
1024 | LES_int_01 | 1236.0190 | [Had to go over to Smith to find them. <laugh>] | 1238.6312 |
1025 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1240.8604 | We didn't have any in our neighborhood, you know, we already used those up [already.] | 1243.5752 |
1026 | LES_int_01 | 1243.1932 | [<laugh>] | 1244.4005 |
1027 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1243.9918 | [So, we had] to go to other ones. | 1245.1464 |
1028 | LES_int_01 | 1245.4674 | Right. | 1245.8845 |
1029 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1245.9064 | But, | 1246.2181 |
1031 | | 1246.5601 | that, basically, and | 1247.9794 |
1033 | | 1248.1055 | k- | 1248.2064 |
1035 | | 1248.2986 | and then, I think we moved out in around Seventy | 1250.7045 |
1037 | | 1250.8626 | eight, somewhere, Seventy-nine, I think we left there. | 1253.5335 |
1039 | | 1254.2272 | Somewhere. | 1254.7924 |
1040 | LES_int_01 | 1255.1304 | W- when you guys moved to Williamsburg? | 1256.6100 |
1041 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1256.6100 | Yeah. [Exactly.] | 1257.6373 |
1042 | LES_int_01 | 1257.0051 | [Yeah.] | 1257.2968 |
1043 | | 1257.6373 | Okay. | 1257.9033 |
1044 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1257.8945 | And then, I actually, d- we didn't come- I didn't come back for | 1260.0871 |
1045 | | 1260.3417 | a long time after that. | 1261.4403 |
1046 | LES_int_01 | 1261.4842 | Yeah. | 1261.8398 |
1047 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1262.1471 | Um. | 1262.6959 |
1048 | LES_int_01 | 1262.6959 | When you did come back, | 1263.8637 |
1050 | | 1264.0218 | w- uh, | 1264.7550 |
1052 | | 1264.9964 | what did you noticed had changed? | 1266.4946 |
1053 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1266.4946 | Oh, it was totally different then. | 1267.6493 |
1054 | LES_int_01 | 1267.8556 | Yeah. | 1268.2024 |
1055 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1268.2024 | Yeah, it was totally | 1269.4010 |
1056 | LES_int_01 | 1269.6468 | I mean, [it.] | 1270.0332 |
1057 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1269.9058 | [totally different. Like,] | 1271.4644 |
1058 | LES_int_01 | 1270.7448 | [Can you talk about that a little bit?] | 1272.0746 |
1059 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1271.7937 | [I mean.] | 1272.0746 |
1060 | | 1272.1976 | I did- First off, I didn't know anybody who lived in the building. | 1274.5655 |
1062 | | 1275.1890 | Didn't know anybody. Exce- there was still few holders | 1277.9153 |
1064 | | 1278.1392 | you know, hangers on that- | 1279.4377 |
1066 | | 1279.7055 | that still were there from when I grew up. | 1281.8638 |
1067 | LES_int_01 | 1281.8638 | There were? | 1282.1492 |
1068 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1282.1492 | That were still- the few people still there, lived in the neighborhood. | 1284.5111 |
1069 | LES_int_01 | 1284.6780 | Yeah. | 1284.9633 |
1070 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1284.9633 | But, basically, | 1286.1443 |
1071 | | 1287.4273 | <ts> | 1287.5283 |
1073 | | 1287.7873 | The. | 1288.1517 |
1075 | | 1288.9551 | There were a lot more Chinese people that stay in there because | 1291.6157 |
1077 | | 1291.8396 | I think they, you know, there was an expansion of Chinatown, I felt, [you know,] at that time. | 1295.3688 |
1078 | LES_int_01 | 1294.4870 | [Yeah.] | 1294.8789 |
1079 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1295.7420 | Cause ex- | 1296.0756 |
1081 | | 1296.2381 | Chinatown was like- it was like a | 1297.5859 |
1083 | | 1297.8229 | borderline [there.] | 1298.6746 |
1084 | LES_int_01 | 1298.3962 | [Getting bigger.] | 1299.0065 |
1085 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1298.8371 | [Nobody] came past the bridge there, you know, it looked seemed. | 1301.4438 |
1086 | | 1301.8609 | But, then there was this whole expansion thing of Chinatown, so where a lot Chinese people in the building. | 1306.2901 |
1087 | LES_int_01 | 1306.4921 | Yeah. | 1306.8345 |
1088 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1306.8345 | There were a lot of, you know, it was more Hispanic and Black, | 1309.7041 |
1089 | | 1309.9982 | basically dominated that- that building. | 1312.2153 |
1090 | LES_int_01 | 1312.4129 | Yeah. | 1312.6675 |
1091 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1312.6675 | And then, I didn't know anybody. | 1313.8924 |
1092 | | 1314.4236 | You know, I didn't- I didn't know anybody, except some of the holders on that were still there. | 1318.4917 |
1093 | LES_int_01 | 1318.7113 | Yeah. | 1319.0844 |
1094 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1319.0976 | So, I didn't really, you know, | 1320.7747 |
1096 | | 1320.8844 | you know, you kind of kept to yourself then, it wasn't that same | 1323.5372 |
1098 | | 1323.7655 | camaraderie that you had back | 1325.2890 |
1100 | | 1326.2724 | you [know, when we were] | 1327.6186 |
1101 | LES_int_01 | 1326.6790 | [Right, right.] | 1327.5822 |
1102 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1327.7151 | when I first, you know, when I grew up there. | 1329.3642 |
1103 | LES_int_01 | 1329.4476 | Yeah. | 1329.8647 |
1104 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1329.8647 | Not that same thing, everybody kind of kept to themselves. It's [more closed], you know, | 1333.2238 |
1105 | LES_int_01 | 1331.9979 | [Yeah.] | 1332.3506 |
1106 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1333.3424 | mind your business. You know, that kind of of thing, it was | 1335.5918 |
1108 | | 1335.8904 | more like that. | 1336.5884 |
1109 | LES_int_01 | 1336.9001 | Yeah. | 1337.3578 |
1111 | | 1337.6212 | Now, this is, you're talking about- this is | 1339.0038 |
1113 | | 1339.1048 | [when in- Two Thousand One?] | 1340.1237 |
1114 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1339.2324 | [When I came back. Yes.] Two Thousand and One. | 1340.8700 |
1115 | LES_int_01 | 1340.8700 | [So,] | 1341.5421 |
1116 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1340.9801 | [Yeah.] | 1341.1865 |
1117 | LES_int_01 | 1341.7001 | um. Did you notice, I mean, b- by Two Thousand One, the larger neighborhood, you have this | 1346.7380 |
1119 | | 1347.0087 | a lot of gentrification happening with | 1349.0933 |
1121 | | 1349.3487 | you know, wealthier, white | 1350.7448 |
1123 | | 1350.9380 | [folks coming in, /inaudible/] | 1352.6008 |
1124 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1351.2629 | [Well, that also began to happen] not at- i- you know, you could see that | 1354.7257 |
1125 | | 1355.1471 | like, some of like, | 1356.0120 |
1127 | | 1356.3852 | the- | 1356.6706 |
1129 | | 1356.8813 | the village | 1357.6293 |
1131 | | 1357.7127 | and- an- | 1358.2395 |
1133 | | 1358.3652 | and- and the yuppie crowd, or whatever you want to [call] | 1360.7447 |
1134 | LES_int_01 | 1360.5121 | [Yeah,] yeah. | 1361.2277 |
1135 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1361.5585 | what's- was coming down to that area too as well, you know, [which] brought up the rent | 1364.5791 |
1136 | LES_int_01 | 1363.7098 | [Yeah.] | 1363.9776 |
1137 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1365.0796 | You know, prices of rents and stuff [like that.] | 1367.3230 |
1138 | LES_int_01 | 1366.7698 | [Right.] | 1367.0376 |
1139 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1367.7489 | So, and that kind of got pe- push other people out of the neighborhood. | 1370.8539 |
1141 | | 1371.1173 | Like I say, the holders on were still there, you know, [that kind] of a thing. | 1374.1087 |
1142 | LES_int_01 | 1373.2043 | [Right.] | 1373.5863 |
1143 | | 1374.4111 | And it maybe it doesn't affect, um, | 1376.2023 |
1145 | | 1376.3164 | public housing in the same way, | 1377.9057 |
1146 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1378.5390 | No, but [I think] even some- even some of the public housing, they were | 1382.7830 |
1147 | LES_int_01 | 1378.8661 | [Right.] | 1379.0681 |
1148 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1382.8928 | sold off, even | 1384.0738 |
1150 | | 1384.6225 | [too.] Yeah. Some of that was going on. I think that's still happening now [as a] matter of fact. | 1389.1357 |
1151 | LES_int_01 | 1384.7367 | [Really?] | 1385.1889 |
1153 | | 1388.3060 | [Yeah.] | 1388.6308 |
1154 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1389.5528 | So they | 1389.9304 |
1156 | | 1390.1104 | you know, they- they're s- kind of I think what's happening is they're- they're | 1392.7939 |
1158 | | 1393.1803 | looking f- they nee- | 1393.9919 |
1160 | | 1394.1280 | you know, | 1394.5582 |
1162 | | 1395.4539 | real estate is- is- is- is | 1397.3900 |
1164 | | 1397.4997 | you know, is- is | 1398.5578 |
1166 | | 1399.5840 | at an all time high [now. They're looking] yeah. So, they kind of | 1402.8553 |
1167 | LES_int_01 | 1400.6543 | [/We/ know.] | 1401.3385 |
1168 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1403.3426 | you know, le- places to live now, you know, and so, now, if y- I think | 1406.5870 |
1170 | | 1406.8460 | pretty soon, if you don't have any money, you won't be living on the Lower East Side anymore. | 1410.6392 |
1171 | LES_int_01 | 1410.6392 | Right. | 1411.0563 |
1172 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1411.0563 | You know, pretty much, they're gonna filter all the | 1412.7027 |
1173 | | 1412.8914 | you know, those | 1413.6949 |
1174 | Misc | 1414.0022 | I'm renting my bathroom to ['em /inaudible/] | 1416.3057 |
1175 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1415.2545 | [<laugh> Exactly. (laughing) <laugh>] | 1421.5220 |
1176 | LES_int_01 | 1416.0319 | [<laugh>] | 1417.4105 |
1177 | Misc | 1417.2922 | [/inaudible/] | 1417.6284 |
1178 | | 1418.4274 | [Oh you got no /salary or something/.] | 1419.8586 |
1179 | LES_int_01 | 1418.4663 | [<laugh>] | 1419.0063 |
1180 | | 1419.8668 | [<laugh>] | 1420.7976 |
1182 | | 1421.0961 | [I think we got] that. | 1421.9872 |
1183 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1421.9872 | <laugh> | 1422.7864 |
1184 | LES_int_01 | 1423.0765 | A- | 1423.3575 |
1185 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1423.4778 | But, you could see, that's what's happening, you know. | 1425.1593 |
1186 | LES_int_01 | 1425.2822 | Yeah. | 1425.7300 |
1187 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1425.9188 | And- I- you- you're gonna [have to be] | 1427.4335 |
1188 | LES_int_01 | 1426.9549 | [So, you could] see that, when you came back, that kind of larger. | 1429.4574 |
1189 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1429.4574 | Yeah, you could see that pretty soon, | 1431.7838 |
1190 | | 1431.9813 | [you have to be of a certain income | 1433.6321 |
1191 | LES_int_01 | 1431.9813 | [In /inaudible/] | 1432.6926 |
1192 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1434.1062 | to live down here. | 1434.8175 |
1194 | | 1435.0545 | [I think] that's happening. | 1435.9985 |
1195 | LES_int_01 | 1435.0545 | [Right.] | 1435.3604 |
1196 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1436.6614 | Slowly, but | 1437.3155 |
1197 | LES_int_01 | 1437.6170 | Yeah. | 1437.9375 |
1198 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1437.9375 | surely, that's happening. | 1438.8726 |
1199 | LES_int_01 | 1439.0043 | Yeah. | 1439.3643 |
1200 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1439.6716 | Um. | 1440.0433 |
1202 | | 1440.6755 | Except for those people that hang on, they ain't getting out of here, [I ain't leaving.] Um, I'm gonna be here, you know, and there's a few of those people that I still see | 1446.6172 |
1203 | LES_int_01 | 1442.9359 | [Right.] | 1443.3442 |
1204 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1446.8586 | today, | 1447.3547 |
1205 | LES_int_01 | 1447.4908 | Yeah. | 1447.7081 |
1206 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1447.7081 | right now. | 1448.2745 |
1207 | | 1448.7706 | that I'm say, oh man, it's good to see you, I haven't seen you, you know, you're still here, you know, still living down here. | 1452.3942 |
1208 | LES_int_01 | 1452.5040 | And- but you don't have any family that's still down here? | 1455.4247 |
1209 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1455.5420 | [Uh.] | 1455.8757 |
1210 | LES_int_01 | 1455.5420 | [You said] your brother passed away. | 1457.0984 |
1211 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1457.6515 | I have a nephew that lives like | 1459.0608 |
1213 | | 1460.0892 | Delancey Street. | 1461.0727 |
1214 | LES_int_01 | 1461.0727 | Hm. Mm-hm. | 1461.6961 |
1215 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1461.8410 | Um. | 1462.4995 |
1217 | | 1464.2446 | That's about it. | 1464.7583 |
1218 | LES_int_01 | 1465.3334 | Yeah. | 1465.7110 |
1219 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1465.8778 | Yeah. | 1466.2027 |
1221 | | 1466.3481 | That's [about it.] | 1466.9715 |
1222 | LES_int_01 | 1466.5061 | [That's interesting.] | 1467.1691 |
1223 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1467.3315 | Yeah. | 1467.5993 |
1224 | LES_int_01 | 1467.6608 | So, now you've lived all over | 1469.4388 |
1226 | | 1469.7798 | New York City. | 1470.5656 |
1228 | | 1471.0222 | I'm wondering if you would still consider yourself a Lower East Sider? [If that's sort of a] | 1475.1886 |
1229 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1474.6881 | [Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. I w- I mean w- I] just did that show, we just did that show and it was called the | 1479.7353 |
1230 | LES_int_01 | 1475.4784 | [that's a important part of you.] | 1477.1318 |
1231 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1480.1962 | Lower East Side | 1481.3580 |
1233 | | 1481.9068 | Band Reunion. | 1482.6619 |
1234 | LES_int_01 | 1482.9956 | Okay. | 1483.4785 |
1235 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1483.9527 | Cause back then, uh, also that's what we did. That's what I left out. | 1486.4716 |
1236 | LES_int_01 | 1486.6998 | Yeah. | 1486.9677 |
1237 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1486.9677 | Left out that little part. | 1487.8660 |
1238 | LES_int_01 | 1487.9386 | What- | 1488.1737 |
1239 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1488.3330 | [Where you said,] what do we do? you know, [what we-] we got into music then, how did I- could I leave that out? | 1492.8056 |
1240 | LES_int_01 | 1488.4428 | [You re- /inaudible/] | 1488.9608 |
1242 | | 1490.1479 | [Music.] | 1490.5869 |
1243 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1492.8978 | [<laugh>] | 1493.6442 |
1244 | LES_int_01 | 1492.8978 | [That's what you were-] that was important, [right?] | 1494.5398 |
1245 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1494.2939 | [Yeah.] That's a very important part. | 1495.7553 |
1246 | | 1495.9661 | And, that's what we did in the early seventies as well, you know, we formed bands and stuff, and you would see different bands in the neighborhood. | 1501.6926 |
1248 | | 1502.1624 | You know. | 1502.3468 |
1250 | | 1502.8604 | Lot of mus- | 1503.6024 |
1252 | | 1503.7077 | culture and stuff, as far as musically. | 1505.2761 |
1254 | | 1505.4957 | [You know.] | 1505.7679 |
1255 | LES_int_01 | 1505.4957 | [Yeah.] | 1505.9083 |
1256 | | 1506.2288 | And what did you [do personally?] | 1507.4054 |
1257 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1506.6108 | [Which you don't see now] either. | 1507.9718 |
1258 | | 1508.6435 | Um. | 1509.2581 |
1260 | | 1509.4996 | Say that again. What's that [question?] | 1510.4702 |
1261 | LES_int_01 | 1510.1892 | [Oh,] I was gonna ask what personally di- uh, were | 1512.7520 |
1262 | | 1513.1033 | you- instruments or singing [did you do?] | 1514.9823 |
1263 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1514.3413 | [Oh, I played uh,] saxophone and I sang, I played- dabbled with the piano a little bit then. | 1519.0285 |
1264 | LES_int_01 | 1519.3640 | Cool. | 1519.6713 |
1265 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1520.0953 | Um. | 1520.5958 |
1267 | | 1520.7802 | Form- we formed a band. | 1522.0885 |
1269 | | 1522.2817 | You know. | 1522.6532 |
1270 | LES_int_01 | 1522.9254 | Yeah. | 1523.1888 |
1271 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1523.1888 | I don't remember, we had a f- | 1523.8034 |
1272 | | 1523.9088 | few different names for the band back then, and um. | 1526.4025 |
1273 | LES_int_01 | 1526.5517 | Yeah. | 1526.8547 |
1274 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1526.8547 | So, we did that. | 1527.4605 |
1275 | Misc | 1527.7415 | Bobby's on my CD by the way. I think I gave you [/inaudible/] | 1531.4957 |
1276 | LES_int_01 | 1529.9240 | [You gave me. Yeah. Yeah. I listened to it. Yeah. Yeah.] | 1531.9260 |
1277 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1530.8284 | [Yeah, yeah.] | 1531.1752 |
1278 | Misc | 1531.6582 | [I think] he's on it. | 1532.3430 |
1279 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1532.4835 | Um. | 1533.0148 |
1281 | | 1533.4582 | So, we did that. | 1534.6644 |
1283 | | 1534.8137 | That occupied a lot of our time, we did shows and | 1537.1756 |
1285 | | 1537.3117 | we played together in bands for- me and /RD-NAME-2/ for a while. | 1539.3077 |
1286 | LES_int_01 | 1539.4438 | Yeah. | 1539.7599 |
1287 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1539.8257 | [Uh.] | 1540.0768 |
1288 | LES_int_01 | 1539.9838 | [And] this you were doing | 1541.1472 |
1289 | | 1541.4398 | in your- sort of in your free time, cause you're still working | 1543.9072 |
1290 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1543.9335 | Yeah, we're working part time, I was going to school, at the same time, playing in these bands, wherever it, you know. | 1548.1460 |
1291 | LES_int_01 | 1548.1328 | Yeah. | 1548.5982 |
1292 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1548.5982 | And we played wherever, you know, we'd just | 1549.8713 |
1293 | | 1550.2226 | pull our equipment out and start playing in the street, you know, we didn't care. | 1552.3414 |
1294 | LES_int_01 | 1552.4819 | Yeah. | 1552.7585 |
1295 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1552.7585 | Yeah, we just, you know. | 1553.5180 |
1296 | LES_int_01 | 1553.6848 | And, have you continued to that throughout your [life? S-] | 1556.2180 |
1297 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1555.7570 | [Yeah, I'm kind of] doing that now still. | 1557.0653 |
1298 | LES_int_01 | 1557.1400 | Still [doing it.] | 1557.7914 |
1299 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1557.3639 | [Still doing] that. | 1558.0592 |
1300 | LES_int_01 | 1558.4367 | [That's terrific.] | 1559.2465 |
1301 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1558.5202 | [Um.] | 1559.0865 |
1302 | | 1559.3060 | I got like a little recording studio that I own and operate in the Bronx. | 1562.0614 |
1303 | LES_int_01 | 1562.5180 | [Cool.] | 1562.8300 |
1304 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1562.7332 | [Um.] | 1563.1371 |
1305 | | 1563.2819 | So, | 1563.6990 |
1307 | | 1563.8439 | still doing that music [thing.] | 1565.1313 |
1308 | LES_int_01 | 1564.6308 | [Kind of like] this uh, [this set up?] | 1566.4270 |
1309 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1565.5751 | [Yeah, yeah, a little-] | 1566.1459 |
1311 | | 1566.2380 | [Yeah. A little] bit | 1566.7254 |
1312 | | 1566.8746 | different. Little bit [different, but] | 1568.0029 |
1313 | Misc | 1567.6825 | [Play in the [subway.] | 1568.4595 |
1314 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1568.6615 | Yeah, I'd play in the subway [sometime. Yeah.] | 1570.2787 |
1315 | LES_int_01 | 1569.4325 | [You do?] | 1570.1291 |
1316 | | 1570.3852 | [Cool, cool.] | 1571.1799 |
1317 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1570.4104 | [Yeah.] | 1570.8363 |
1319 | | 1570.9548 | [I do] that. | 1571.5124 |
1320 | LES_int_01 | 1571.6748 | And are you- are you working as well? Or are- | 1573.5056 |
1321 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1573.5056 | No, that's all I do. | 1574.3277 |
1322 | LES_int_01 | 1574.4769 | Oh, that's [wonderful] | 1575.3945 |
1323 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1575.0623 | [That's pretty] much all I do. | 1576.1057 |
1324 | LES_int_01 | 1576.3269 | That's [nice.] | 1577.2093 |
1325 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1576.7966 | [Um.] | 1577.3498 |
1326 | LES_int_01 | 1577.4332 | Be a little bit [/inaudible/ of your time too.] | 1578.8189 |
1327 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1577.9337 | [Yeah, it's okay.] Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. | 1579.8018 |
1328 | LES_int_01 | 1580.2759 | Yeah. | 1580.5745 |
1330 | | 1581.4136 | Um. | 1582.0765 |
1332 | | 1582.5111 | So, I | 1583.7744 |
1334 | | 1583.9588 | you can tell I'm interested in the kind of the Lower East Side, uh, | 1586.7631 |
1336 | | 1587.1187 | as a community. | 1588.0407 |
1338 | | 1588.7941 | And, | 1589.5009 |
1340 | | 1589.6327 | uh. One thing I always ask people is | 1592.0254 |
1342 | | 1592.4819 | for them, like for you, | 1593.7507 |
1344 | | 1594.0405 | what | 1594.3478 |
1346 | | 1594.8379 | is the Lower East Side geographically? | 1596.7652 |
1348 | | 1596.9013 | Cause a lot of people have different | 1598.3764 |
1349 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1598.3764 | Okay. [Oh, I-] | 1599.1381 |
1350 | LES_int_01 | 1598.5817 | [/renditions/ of it.] | 1599.5695 |
1351 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1599.3708 | [W- uh.] Okay, now it may have | 1600.8635 |
1352 | | 1601.0303 | changed | 1601.5747 |
1354 | | 1602.0621 | since the [you know. But let's say.] | 1604.2177 |
1355 | LES_int_01 | 1602.7210 | [Yeah. It could have changed. But, maybe then and] now, or [whatever.] | 1605.5412 |
1356 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1604.9485 | [Then, the] Lower East Side, when I was a kid was like | 1607.9778 |
1357 | | 1608.0700 | to right here, | 1609.1397 |
1359 | | 1609.6709 | to that bridge here, which is the Manhattan [Bridge.] | 1612.1777 |
1360 | LES_int_01 | 1612.0329 | [The] Manhattan [Bridge.] | 1613.0075 |
1361 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1612.5685 | [Mighta] went to Houston Street. | 1614.8311 |
1362 | | 1615.3782 | The- now, uh, and over to the East River, actually. | 1618.5442 |
1363 | LES_int_01 | 1618.5442 | Yeah. | 1618.9085 |
1364 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1619.2949 | It kind- those were the boundaries to me, then. Now, they've, obviously, they've expanded. | 1622.9871 |
1366 | | 1623.3998 | Uh. | 1623.6896 |
1367 | LES_int_01 | 1623.9140 | I think they've expanded? | 1624.7965 |
1368 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1624.9062 | Yeah, I thinks- yeah. That i- | 1626.6689 |
1370 | | 1626.8313 | to- | 1627.0245 |
1372 | | 1627.1431 | to go even further than the bridge, let's say. | 1629.7360 |
1374 | | 1630.0653 | Up to as far as | 1631.0004 |
1376 | | 1631.3999 | Fourteenth, to- or even Twenty-Third Street. | 1633.6434 |
1378 | | 1633.9595 | [And,] Yeah. I think it go- i- wa- | 1636.2106 |
1379 | LES_int_01 | 1634.0780 | [Really?] | 1634.5522 |
1380 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1636.3203 | they call it all Chelsea. They got all kind of names [for it.] | 1638.3091 |
1381 | LES_int_01 | 1638.0062 | [They call-] yeah. | 1638.8315 |
1382 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1638.8315 | But I [d- still the Lower East Side. Yeah. East.] Yeah. Exactly, East Village, but that's the Lower East Side to me, [you know.] | 1643.7750 |
1383 | LES_int_01 | 1639.1037 | [East Village is sort of the.] | 1640.9345 |
1385 | | 1643.4238 | [It is.] It feels. Does it feel like the same neighborhood to [you?] | 1645.7852 |
1386 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1645.5437 | [Yeah.] | 1645.9432 |
1387 | | 1646.3033 | Yeah. It's- it's still the s- | 1647.7921 |
1389 | | 1647.8711 | you know, it's kind of like | 1649.0916 |
1391 | | 1649.5251 | overlapping and stuff, so. | 1650.8466 |
1392 | LES_int_01 | 1650.8466 | Right, right. | 1651.6193 |
1393 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1651.7071 | You got that going there. | 1652.9935 |
1394 | LES_int_01 | 1652.9935 | Um. Okay, cool. So, we have these | 1654.7633 |
1396 | | 1655.3472 | geographic boundaries for the neighborhood. | 1657.1708 |
1398 | | 1658.0401 | What I wanna know is if all the people who live inside those streets | 1662.5884 |
1399 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1662.7025 | Mkay. | 1663.0801 |
1400 | LES_int_01 | 1663.2820 | make up | 1663.7216 |
1402 | | 1664.0860 | like, one community, one Lower East Side community? | 1666.8914 |
1403 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1666.8914 | Okay. | 1667.2163 |
1404 | LES_int_01 | 1667.2163 | And I think if | 1668.1997 |
1406 | | 1668.5070 | i- to ask you that, first, I need to ask you to define | 1671.2290 |
1408 | | 1671.5056 | community, like what does that mean? And | 1673.1870 |
1410 | | 1673.5081 | what does it mean for people to be in a community together? | 1675.9052 |
1411 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1676.3425 | Well, I mean | 1677.0098 |
1413 | | 1677.5103 | there's certain social things that you're- | 1679.1303 |
1415 | | 1679.6440 | that you | 1680.0567 |
1417 | | 1680.4342 | communicate | 1681.2596 |
1419 | | 1682.4345 | on, certain things that you do together, to- to- | 1685.1609 |
1421 | | 1685.7701 | You're raising your kids, your schools, you got your daycare, [you got] your- | 1689.1072 |
1422 | LES_int_01 | 1688.4312 | [Yeah.] | 1688.7824 |
1423 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1689.7922 | your- | 1690.2224 |
1425 | | 1690.4156 | your- whatever you- activities, after school activities that kids do, [and] | 1694.3570 |
1426 | LES_int_01 | 1694.0963 | [Right.] | 1694.3570 |
1427 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1695.0007 | the- | 1695.1500 |
1429 | | 1695.3212 | the job kind of situation, I- I don't know how many people, you know, work in- on the Lower East Side. | 1701.0680 |
1431 | | 1701.9480 | [Um.] | 1702.7251 |
1432 | LES_int_01 | 1702.1631 | [Right.] | 1702.4748 |
1433 | | 1703.1553 | So, i- so it's m- uh- | 1704.4329 |
1435 | | 1704.5602 | sounds like maybe a little more than just live. | 1706.7915 |
1437 | | 1707.1358 | But, i- [somehow.] | 1708.5588 |
1438 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1707.7812 | [Yeah. I mean, it's a poppy] | 1708.8612 |
1439 | | 1708.9490 | lot of people that work here, you know, and there were like, back also, in- in- in the days, they had like | 1714.0955 |
1441 | | 1714.4950 | the Henry Street Settlement where a- | 1716.3152 |
1443 | | 1716.4074 | s- kids would go to do things after school | 1719.0855 |
1444 | LES_int_01 | 1719.2282 | [Yeah.] | 1719.5706 |
1445 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1719.3248 | [programs] they had. | 1720.5014 |
1446 | LES_int_01 | 1720.6331 | Yeah. | 1720.9624 |
1447 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1721.0194 | And that's all a part of, you know, what the community should be. | 1723.5894 |
1448 | LES_int_01 | 1723.8221 | [Yeah.] | 1724.0372 |
1449 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1723.8352 | [Which] they don't have a lot of those things now. The Edgies, the Educational [Alliance.] | 1727.6087 |
1450 | LES_int_01 | 1727.4331 | [Right.] | 1727.7975 |
1451 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1728.0310 | Which has been around forever, I think they still there. And | 1730.2612 |
1453 | | 1730.4105 | lot of people | 1731.2534 |
1455 | | 1732.2456 | you know, a lot of activities they have going on there. | 1734.2827 |
1456 | LES_int_01 | 1734.3530 | [Right.] | 1734.7218 |
1457 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1734.5110 | [Uh.] I mean, I don't even know, I couldn't even tell you, I couldn't tell you be more specific about it, but I'm sure that | 1738.7279 |
1458 | | 1738.8771 | they're doing things like that [there]. | 1740.3128 |
1459 | LES_int_01 | 1739.9923 | [Yeah.] | 1740.3742 |
1460 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1740.6201 | And Henry Street Settlement, I think, as far as I know, is still around. | 1742.6626 |
1461 | LES_int_01 | 1743.0709 | E- [Yeah. It is.] Yeah. | 1744.3705 |
1462 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1743.3519 | [Uh.] | 1743.8568 |
1463 | | 1744.6059 | Um. | 1745.1459 |
1465 | | 1745.5454 | [That's all.] | 1745.9844 |
1466 | LES_int_01 | 1745.6639 | [So it's-] So it's a little more than just kind of living in the same place. [You hafta.] | 1749.5400 |
1467 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1749.2107 | [Yeah, I mean,] people work and people | 1750.8812 |
1468 | | 1751.2061 | relate and socialize and [stuff, like that. Yeah. That whole] interaction thing going a- | 1756.0451 |
1469 | LES_int_01 | 1753.1519 | [Interact, or something /inaudible/] | 1754.7324 |
1470 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1756.2690 | I mean it's lesser than it was. | 1757.8275 |
1472 | | 1758.2914 | Back in- | 1759.2090 |
1473 | LES_int_01 | 1759.2265 | [Yeah. So, that's /my next question/. Does it seem is-] is the [same.] | 1762.9934 |
1474 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1759.3890 | [Back- it's a little different. Yeah. | 1761.6500 |
1476 | | 1762.2031 | [It's changed.] It's not the same. | 1764.2254 |
1477 | | 1764.3351 | Uh. | 1764.7127 |
1479 | | 1765.1479 | As it was. I think we were closer | 1767.0093 |
1481 | | 1767.5801 | back then. | 1768.0937 |
1483 | | 1768.5064 | You know. [We were closer.] | 1769.6216 |
1484 | LES_int_01 | 1768.7567 | [Why, why] is that? | 1770.3021 |
1485 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1770.9123 | I don't know why that is actually. I don't know what, well, you know, the reasoning, | 1774.2079 |
1487 | | 1774.4186 | you know, reason why you know, that separation thing came [around, but.] | 1777.8715 |
1488 | LES_int_01 | 1777.3052 | [Yeah.] | 1777.6257 |
1489 | | 1777.9813 | What do you think happened? | 1779.3291 |
1490 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1779.8077 | I c- I c- I can't exactly say. Um. | 1782.1653 |
1492 | | 1782.9292 | Put my finger on as to why | 1784.4191 |
1494 | | 1785.4047 | that might have- | 1786.0194 |
1496 | | 1786.1159 | may have changed. It's just | 1787.3145 |
1498 | | 1787.7403 | you know, if | 1788.2803 |
1500 | | 1788.4121 | when people move out of the neighborhood, you didn't teach their kids | 1790.9299 |
1502 | | 1791.0923 | that- the same things that we | 1792.9543 |
1504 | | 1793.7095 | l- l- learned, or the same values that we had, I don't know. I just know that it's not that. | 1799.0552 |
1505 | LES_int_01 | 1799.3110 | [Yeah.] | 1799.6506 |
1506 | Misc | 1799.3110 | [I think] you're a little more radical than that. Speak your mind. | 1801.9056 |
1507 | LES_int_01 | 1802.0417 | [<laugh>] | 1803.4263 |
1508 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1802.5351 | [Uh.] | 1802.7546 |
1510 | | 1802.9434 | [No, I- I- n- <laugh>] | 1804.5634 |
1511 | Misc | 1803.8478 | [No. Cause I've heard] you. I've hear- I'm not influencing you, but. | 1806.6575 |
1512 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1806.8628 | No, [I- I- I- k- I k-] | 1808.2369 |
1513 | Misc | 1807.1915 | [You know, you-] You and I spoke about how | 1809.7466 |
1514 | | 1810.0568 | there's no money inv- we- we played on the jazz mobile, | 1813.2749 |
1516 | | 1813.7008 | we played for constant street fairs when we were kids and [you don't see] any of [that anymore.] | 1818.1179 |
1517 | LES_int_01 | 1816.6560 | [Yeah.] | 1817.0667 |
1518 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1817.7930 | [Oh, no.] You definitely don't have any [of that.] | 1819.3516 |
1519 | Misc | 1818.7276 | [And,] and, [and, I know you and I /inaudible/] | 1822.1169 |
1520 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1820.0227 | [There's not even like] | 1820.8393 |
1522 | | 1821.1511 | [The programs that] they have and stuff, it's- it's- | 1824.0305 |
1523 | | 1824.5705 | it's- it's | 1825.3728 |
1525 | | 1825.4738 | just a lot of- lot of things are not there that- | 1827.2634 |
1527 | | 1827.3688 | that | 1827.6805 |
1529 | | 1827.9614 | would bring people together. | 1829.0019 |
1531 | | 1829.1293 | You know what I', [saying, a lot of-] | 1830.0381 |
1532 | LES_int_01 | 1829.4893 | [So, like,] money is being taken out of the neighborhood? I mean. | 1833.0591 |
1533 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1834.0271 | Well, I mean you- [you- if you listen] to the news, you can hear how much money we're spending on some | 1838.1814 |
1534 | LES_int_01 | 1834.6648 | [What do you thi- yeah, what do you.] | 1835.9599 |
1535 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1838.4800 | [bullshit. <laugh>] | 1839.3613 |
1536 | LES_int_01 | 1838.4800 | [Yeah.] | 1838.9095 |
1537 | | 1839.3613 | Yeah. How- [well that's-] | 1840.3025 |
1538 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1839.8415 | [Where that money] is not filtered down into the- | 1841.7278 |
1539 | | 1841.8639 | into the community | 1842.8254 |
1541 | | 1843.1327 | and I think it should be. A lot of that | 1844.7088 |
1542 | LES_int_01 | 1844.9634 | [Right.] | 1845.2943 |
1543 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1845.0732 | [government] money is not | 1846.1269 |
1544 | | 1846.4458 | somehow, doesn't find its way back here. | 1848.2063 |
1545 | LES_int_01 | 1848.2502 | Right. [Right.] | 1849.0361 |
1546 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1848.7507 | [Um.] | 1849.3917 |
1547 | | 1850.0327 | <ts> Which, you know, | 1850.6912 |
1549 | | 1851.2093 | government funding for certain of | 1852.3552 |
1551 | | 1852.6098 | these programs and these places, | 1854.2985 |
1553 | | 1854.5340 | if it's not there, then these places will close up, and then that means there's not gonna be that social gathering, that's not gonna happen anymore. | 1860.1425 |
1554 | LES_int_01 | 1860.2523 | Right. | 1860.5947 |
1555 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1860.5947 | So, that's probably | 1861.7494 |
1556 | | 1863.2248 | [The- some of th-] Yeah. The reasoning. You know, there's just that people don't have a way to. Where do we gather now? There is no place to gather. You know. | 1870.7481 |
1557 | LES_int_01 | 1863.2248 | [That's part of it.] | 1864.0623 |
1558 | | 1870.7481 | Do you think that's been happening for a while? [Or recently?] | 1873.6009 |
1559 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1872.7184 | [It's- it's over a long] period of time and still happening now, you know. | 1875.6292 |
1560 | LES_int_01 | 1876.3608 | Yeah. | 1876.7691 |
1561 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1877.1730 | [And] | 1877.5199 |
1562 | LES_int_01 | 1877.1730 | [You could] talk about a couple different like, periods of the neighborhood, you know, when I- | 1880.8696 |
1563 | | 1881.0014 | when I read kind of, what's [been written about.] | 1882.9528 |
1564 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1882.3953 | [Oh, when I] | 1882.7377 |
1565 | | 1882.9660 | growing up early on, | 1884.3226 |
1567 | | 1884.7221 | like I say, I studied fencing at the Henry Street Settlement. | 1887.0890 |
1568 | LES_int_01 | 1887.2778 | You did? | 1887.7964 |
1569 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1887.7964 | Yeah, I s- [took fencing] up there. Uh. | 1890.1210 |
1570 | LES_int_01 | 1888.4219 | [Cool.] | 1888.8390 |
1571 | | 1890.1210 | [Woah.] | 1890.6522 |
1572 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1890.4572 | [They had.] | 1890.9621 |
1573 | LES_int_01 | 1890.8366 | [With the] sword? | 1891.4776 |
1574 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1891.4776 | Yeah. With the whole thing. I had to- I was pretty good | 1893.8231 |
1575 | | 1893.9416 | actually too. | 1894.5518 |
1576 | LES_int_01 | 1894.6309 | That's [cool.] | 1895.3377 |
1577 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1895.1314 | [Um.] | 1895.6406 |
1578 | | 1896.0050 | They don't have that | 1896.6548 |
1580 | | 1896.9094 | now. | 1897.3177 |
1582 | | 1898.1211 | You know. | 1898.5091 |
1584 | | 1898.7199 | And you'd go there, and you'd meet | 1899.7691 |
1586 | | 1899.8745 | guys from you know, wherever. All those different project people, you would see people | 1903.9059 |
1588 | | 1904.0374 | from each | 1904.5247 |
1590 | | 1904.7398 | development | 1905.3062 |
1591 | LES_int_01 | 1905.4434 | [Yeah.] | 1905.8744 |
1592 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1905.6629 | [would] wind up there | 1906.6375 |
1593 | | 1906.7385 | at these- | 1907.2083 |
1595 | | 1907.3999 | at these, they- | 1907.9092 |
1597 | | 1908.0102 | they taught k- had karate classes down there. | 1910.0297 |
1598 | LES_int_01 | 1910.0868 | Yeah. | 1910.3985 |
1599 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1910.6312 | And you'd meet guys from everywhere, you know? | 1912.5190 |
1601 | | 1912.7649 | You'd | 1912.9854 |
1603 | | 1913.2346 | meet guys from the Smith, any- everybody would end up there. | 1915.9731 |
1604 | LES_int_01 | 1915.9972 | Right. | 1916.3660 |
1605 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1916.4918 | So, you had that camaraderie, and that kind of, you know, | 1919.0381 |
1607 | | 1919.4289 | Then, if those programs don't exist, and then you don't have that | 1922.0499 |
1609 | | 1922.3425 | you know, that meeting of the [minds kind of a thing. Yeah.] | 1925.2050 |
1610 | LES_int_01 | 1923.4840 | [A way for people to] find [common ground.] | 1926.5264 |
1611 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1925.6967 | [Yeah. It's nothing to do now.] You know. | 1927.1411 |
1612 | | 1927.2904 | Where do we go? You know, what are we gonna do? | 1929.0898 |
1613 | LES_int_01 | 1929.3488 | Right. | 1929.7029 |
1614 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1929.8888 | So, I think a largely | 1931.3815 |
1616 | | 1931.9438 | a- a lot of | 1932.5848 |
1618 | | 1932.7780 | the money being spent is not being- | 1934.6775 |
1620 | | 1935.0024 | doesn't find its way back to these communities. | 1936.8112 |
1621 | LES_int_01 | 1936.9165 | Okay. | 1937.2853 |
1622 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1937.3380 | And- and that's | 1938.1151 |
1624 | | 1938.3609 | the reason why a lot of- | 1939.5726 |
1626 | | 1939.8712 | there's not that same | 1941.0331 |
1628 | | 1941.2617 | social thing going on. | 1942.5653 |
1629 | LES_int_01 | 1942.5653 | Right. | 1942.9604 |
1631 | | 1943.3731 | Now, | 1943.7946 |
1633 | | 1943.9191 | the time that you guys were growing up though- you were young and teenagers, wha- what I was gonna say, is when I read, you know, books about the Lower East Side, | 1950.3021 |
1635 | | 1950.5040 | considered kind of a- a- bad period. In the sense that there was a lot of crime and drugs in the [neighborhood.] | 1956.5203 |
1636 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1956.1910 | [Yeah.] There was that. I mean, I didn't see that, really. I mean it was there but, | 1959.4568 |
1637 | | 1959.5666 | you know, it | 1960.0715 |
1639 | | 1960.2032 | it just seemed like it was | 1961.2305 |
1641 | | 1961.8698 | it was just part of it. You know. [And it didn't really.] Yeah. It didn't really | 1965.2278 |
1642 | LES_int_01 | 1963.1424 | [It's just natural.] | 1964.0424 |
1643 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1965.5264 | you know, and I didn't involve myself in it, so it didn't really | 1968.1424 |
1644 | LES_int_01 | 1968.9151 | [And so, it's interesting] that [in spite-] | 1970.3551 |
1645 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1969.0161 | [You know.] | 1969.5661 |
1647 | | 1969.9556 | [But you did] see it, ye- it was definitely a | 1971.6563 |
1648 | | 1971.7924 | you know, [you'd seen a lot of] | 1972.9558 |
1649 | LES_int_01 | 1972.1655 | [It was.] | 1972.8578 |
1650 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1973.1051 | drugs, | 1973.5282 |
1652 | | 1973.6994 | uh, | 1973.8750 |
1654 | | 1974.4852 | in the neighborhood | 1975.1438 |
1656 | | 1975.2404 | that kind of filtered in. | 1976.1157 |
1658 | | 1976.2254 | I don't think that when we were growing up early, | 1978.0474 |
1660 | | 1978.5259 | you didn't see that so much, or- or maybe we just didn't see it in, | 1981.0371 |
1662 | | 1981.1293 | you know, didn't recognize it. | 1982.2708 |
1664 | | 1982.5386 | [As you got] | 1983.0830 |
1665 | LES_int_01 | 1982.5386 | [Right.] | 1982.8328 |
1666 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1983.6625 | to be a teenager, and then you saw more of that, or maybe just realized what was going on. | 1988.1510 |
1667 | LES_int_01 | 1988.4057 | [Right.] | 1988.7437 |
1668 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1988.5330 | [And so,] it's a lot of drugs filtering into the neighborhood. | 1990.6233 |
1669 | LES_int_01 | 1991.0512 | [Yeah.] | 1991.4140 |
1670 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1991.2268 | [Um.] | 1991.8546 |
1671 | LES_int_01 | 1992.6477 | And I- and- and- you didn't get involved, but did it affect friends of yours and [people around you?] | 1997.0643 |
1672 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 1996.2653 | [I mean, I knew people] that- that- | 1998.0126 |
1673 | | 1998.4605 | that | 1998.8995 |
1675 | | 1999.0867 | involved themselves. I mean, I'd still know some people that's still the same people. | 2002.9370 |
1676 | LES_int_01 | 2003.2556 | [Still involved. <laugh>] | 2004.3063 |
1677 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2003.3278 | [Are still-] | 2003.7945 |
1679 | | 2003.9525 | [uh. Yeah.] Couple of people from [back then, when we were growing] up. Yeah. And they would still, they're still doing it. Same thing. | 2009.2200 |
1680 | LES_int_01 | 2005.6472 | [Hard to quit right?] | 2006.7579 |
1681 | | 2009.3386 | Yeah. | 2009.8039 |
1682 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2010.2605 | Um. So, | 2011.8520 |
1684 | | 2012.3744 | you know, y- you seen a lot of that. | 2014.4044 |
1685 | LES_int_01 | 2014.5405 | Yeah. | 2014.9883 |
1686 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2015.1288 | And you kind of ignored that, because, you know, that's not the good stuff, so you, kind of, you know. | 2018.8792 |
1688 | | 2019.0372 | Kind of | 2019.4016 |
1690 | | 2019.7001 | didn't wanna pay attention to that, but. | 2021.2192 |
1691 | LES_int_01 | 2021.7241 | That- that [seems to.] | 2023.0236 |
1692 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2022.5363 | [But it existed. It existed.] | 2023.8753 |
1693 | LES_int_01 | 2023.2694 | [Yeah.] | 2023.8182 |
1694 | | 2024.0465 | [Yeah. That] seems like a really positive attitude. I mean a lot of people weren't as successful maybe as ignoring, or | 2029.9256 |
1695 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2024.0904 | [It's definitely.] | 2024.7138 |
1696 | | 2030.6961 | Yeah. I mean, you- you [could not ignore] it [totally. It] depends | 2034.1276 |
1697 | LES_int_01 | 2031.5132 | [saying okay, I'm not.] | 2032.3254 |
1699 | | 2033.1333 | [Right.] | 2033.5108 |
1700 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2034.2835 | to what level do I get involved with it, you know what I'm saying. [And] | 2037.0005 |
1701 | LES_int_01 | 2036.9435 | [Yeah.] | 2037.2288 |
1702 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2037.2288 | and usually, you know, you just went about your business, you know, just kind of like, whatever. | 2040.7624 |
1703 | LES_int_01 | 2041.0384 | Right. | 2041.4555 |
1704 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2041.6355 | Um. | 2042.1448 |
1705 | LES_int_01 | 2042.4653 | And then, okay. So then, | 2043.6375 |
1707 | | 2043.9185 | there's that sort of | 2044.9985 |
1709 | | 2045.3936 | stuff happening, and then | 2046.7985 |
1711 | | 2047.1102 | maybe in the eighties, nineties, you get this gentrification starting, with, uh, a sort of an opposite force. Like, | 2052.4604 |
1713 | | 2052.7722 | um. | 2053.3078 |
1715 | | 2053.4000 | With the | 2053.9703 |
1717 | | 2054.3511 | yuppie people moving in. | 2056.1643 |
1718 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2056.3048 | Yeah. That- I think that was- I don't think that was eighties. That may have started later in the [nineties.] Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 2061.1550 |
1719 | LES_int_01 | 2059.7940 | [A little later.] | 2060.3428 |
1720 | | 2061.1550 | Yeah. | 2061.5940 |
1721 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2061.8838 | But, | 2062.1986 |
1722 | LES_int_01 | 2062.8117 | And so that's ch- kind of changed the character. I mean I'm sort of trying to [figure out, like what's changed this community feeling?] | 2068.2688 |
1723 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2066.0649 | [Yeah, an- and- and basically, what happened, and you get this] | 2068.7166 |
1724 | | 2068.8352 | new element of people coming in. So now, there's really nobody to talk to, you know, the people you did know are not there. So, | 2074.7631 |
1725 | LES_int_01 | 2074.9782 | [Right.] | 2075.4093 |
1726 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2075.2065 | [that] whole social community thing | 2077.6558 |
1727 | | 2077.8489 | is | 2078.1343 |
1729 | | 2078.2863 | becoming less and less. [You know.] | 2079.9370 |
1730 | LES_int_01 | 2079.4497 | [Yeah.] | 2079.9370 |
1731 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2080.3409 | [You got.] | 2080.5868 |
1732 | LES_int_01 | 2080.3409 | [Is any] of it, like, class | 2082.1717 |
1733 | | 2082.5346 | related? Like are the- | 2084.0009 |
1735 | | 2084.1590 | the more yuppie type [people that are moving in.] | 2086.1434 |
1736 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2085.3970 | [I would say the middle] class. I think back then, we were like lower | 2088.1541 |
1737 | | 2088.7102 | cla- we definitely were lower class, we weren't like middle class [then.] | 2091.7702 |
1738 | LES_int_01 | 2091.6323 | [Yeah.] Or- Yeah. | 2092.6728 |
1739 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2092.8791 | Definitely weren't that. We were like | 2094.3630 |
1741 | | 2094.8093 | upper lower. [You know, they had these-] these- they had these <laugh> [they had all these] | 2098.2354 |
1742 | LES_int_01 | 2095.5723 | [Within class, or.] | 2096.8925 |
1744 | | 2097.4358 | [Lower middle, or] | 2098.5778 |
1745 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2098.3759 | [these] des- [yeah exactly] | 2099.4032 |
1746 | LES_int_01 | 2098.9773 | [<laugh>] | 2099.8993 |
1747 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2099.7105 | It was [lower. We were in the lower.] | 2101.3344 |
1748 | LES_int_01 | 2100.6939 | [<laugh>] | 2101.6382 |
1749 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2101.6505 | Whe- we were the lower lower, or the middle lower, | 2103.9537 |
1750 | LES_int_01 | 2103.9537 | Right. | 2104.2830 |
1751 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2104.2830 | or the upper lower. [<laugh>] | 2105.5424 |
1752 | LES_int_01 | 2105.4211 | [Right. Right.] | 2106.1587 |
1753 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2105.8190 | [We were] in the [lower.] | 2106.7014 |
1754 | Misc | 2106.5878 | [I'd say we were] middle lower. | 2107.9702 |
1755 | LES_int_01 | 2106.5934 | [<laugh>] | 2107.0236 |
1756 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2108.0542 | Yeah, yeah. exactly. Yeah. | 2109.1693 |
1758 | | 2109.5480 | Something like that. | 2110.3635 |
1759 | LES_int_01 | 2110.4294 | Yeah. | 2110.7806 |
1760 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2111.3480 | And then, you have an influx of, let's say, middle [class.] | 2114.4300 |
1761 | LES_int_01 | 2114.2631 | [Yeah. Yeah.] | 2115.0407 |
1762 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2114.7861 | [Which, like] you know, the whole middle class, it's a whole nother thing, you know. We don't know what that is. | 2118.4432 |
1763 | LES_int_01 | 2118.5486 | Right. | 2118.9420 |
1764 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2119.2186 | So, the influx of that. | 2120.2503 |
1766 | | 2120.6603 | Obviously, it's gonna knock that whole | 2122.1925 |
1768 | | 2122.4339 | community spirit thing down, because it's- it's | 2124.4930 |
1770 | | 2124.6203 | /you know I'm-/ | 2125.0681 |
1772 | | 2125.1691 | They're like people coming from Mars, you know. | 2126.8363 |
1774 | | 2127.4202 | [These] uh, you know. | 2128.1665 |
1775 | LES_int_01 | 2127.4202 | [Yeah.] | 2127.6785 |
1776 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2128.6544 | They're not part of us, [you know.] | 2129.9890 |
1777 | LES_int_01 | 2129.8310 | [Yeah.] | 2130.2086 |
1778 | | 2130.5247 | What's your opinion about | 2131.7013 |
1780 | | 2131.8509 | uh, sort of general gentrification of the Lower East Side? [Is it something you see.] | 2136.0332 |
1781 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2135.8356 | [I] mean it's good. Only thing I don't like is the fact that | 2137.8398 |
1782 | | 2138.0620 | the rents seem to go up when that happens. <laugh> [You know.] | 2140.5260 |
1783 | LES_int_01 | 2140.2756 | [Right.] | 2140.7410 |
1784 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2140.8202 | And then you get to people who can't afford to live there anymore, then they're pushed out. | 2143.9724 |
1785 | LES_int_01 | 2144.1041 | Right. Right. | 2144.8900 |
1786 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2144.9953 | And | 2145.3992 |
1788 | | 2146.1089 | You know, again, that whole community thing is gone. You know. | 2148.7870 |
1789 | LES_int_01 | 2149.0241 | Yeah. | 2149.4324 |
1791 | | 2149.7265 | Yeah. | 2149.9812 |
1792 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2149.9812 | And that's what happens when those things happen. | 2151.7477 |
1793 | Misc | 2152.2800 | [Can I] just say something real quick about what would have done. | 2155.0887 |
1795 | | 2155.3126 | Yeah. At one point, your family make up was your mother, | 2158.3342 |
1797 | | 2159.0410 | your younger brother, | 2159.9806 |
1799 | | 2160.6468 | that's not with us anymore, | 2161.8409 |
1800 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2161.8409 | Yeah. | 2162.0165 |
1801 | Misc | 2162.6487 | and you had your grandmother. | 2163.8648 |
1803 | | 2164.6492 | And then you had your older brother staying there for a little while. | 2167.5204 |
1804 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2167.5204 | Yeah. | 2167.7224 |
1805 | Misc | 2168.5306 | Okay. Gentrification, your mother wouldn't have been able to- | 2171.3974 |
1807 | | 2171.5423 | to have that type of large apartment like that under the normal rents if she wasn't [in the projects.] | 2176.3086 |
1808 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2175.7554 | [Well, I think] if you live- if she was in the [projects, no.] | 2178.0686 |
1809 | Misc | 2177.6515 | [No.] | 2178.0203 |
1810 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2178.4154 | No, no way. | 2179.1969 |
1811 | Misc | 2178.6465 | [Well,] what would have happened right there? Your grandmother woulda had to go to a s- to an old age home, | 2182.9022 |
1812 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2182.9022 | Right. [Exactly.] | 2183.7276 |
1813 | Misc | 2183.5388 | [She] passed away in your house. | 2184.8773 |
1814 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2185.0924 | Yeah. | 2185.3295 |
1815 | Misc | 2185.5007 | God [bless her. I] hope that happens to me. | 2187.0516 |
1816 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2185.7082 | [Actually. Yeah.] | 2186.2526 |
1817 | LES_int_01 | 2187.3276 | Mm. | 2187.9203 |
1818 | Misc | 2187.9862 | Your brother, | 2188.7325 |
1820 | | 2189.5755 | who was a little dysfunctional, your younger brother, whatever, would have probably been in jail. | 2193.3637 |
1821 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2193.4471 | Right. | 2193.7369 |
1823 | | 2193.8642 | Right, right. | 2194.3427 |
1824 | Misc | 2194.4920 | Your other brother, | 2195.3678 |
1826 | | 2196.1669 | would have been | 2196.8518 |
1828 | | 2197.1635 | just bopping around. He had no family ties. | 2199.7296 |
1830 | | 2200.0940 | And then, your mother would also felt bad cause she didn't have her family around. | 2203.0047 |
1831 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2203.0047 | Right. Right. | 2203.4229 |
1832 | Misc | 2203.8575 | So, I- I don't mean to interject in that, but that- that woulda been in a | 2206.4653 |
1833 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2207.0086 | [Well, that would've been.] | 2207.8307 |
1834 | Misc | 2207.0086 | [like an exact] outcome | 2208.7132 |
1835 | | 2209.1566 | of her- of- that would have been what happened | 2211.2203 |
1837 | | 2211.6725 | if- | 2212.0149 |
1839 | | 2212.1466 | if she wouldn't've had those assets [of- of the projects.] | 2215.0157 |
1840 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2213.6569 | [Right, right, right. A- Of living in the projects.] | 2215.5864 |
1841 | Misc | 2215.5019 | [With low rent.] | 2216.3712 |
1842 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2215.7653 | [Oh, no doubt.] | 2216.3712 |
1843 | LES_int_01 | 2215.7661 | [Right.] | 2216.1915 |
1844 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2216.8629 | [No doubt.] | 2217.3127 |
1845 | Misc | 2216.8629 | [No doubt.] That woulda killed that. Your family community. | 2219.4493 |
1846 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2219.9103 | Right. And that's- that's what I'm saying. That's what's happening. | 2221.8096 |
1848 | | 2222.1037 | Whe- when you have that. | 2223.2013 |
1849 | LES_int_01 | 2223.2452 | Mm-hm. | 2223.8785 |
1850 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2224.1463 | Uh. | 2224.5546 |
1852 | | 2224.6907 | It does kill that family thing. | 2225.9754 |
1853 | LES_int_01 | 2225.9754 | [Yeah.] | 2226.2168 |
1854 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2226.0851 | [Because] you can't afford now to | 2227.8566 |
1855 | | 2228.0586 | live here, and everybody's gonna get | 2229.2703 |
1857 | | 2229.4015 | you know, wherever you g- whatever you do, you're gonna have to do whatever you can do. | 2232.7359 |
1858 | LES_int_01 | 2232.7899 | [Right.] | 2233.1599 |
1859 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2232.8557 | [You know.] | 2233.2289 |
1860 | | 2233.3343 | And [so, you-] it won't be that solidarity thing going on anymore. | 2236.8641 |
1861 | LES_int_01 | 2233.4923 | [Right.] | 2233.8220 |
1862 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2237.6631 | Um. With the family thing. So, that kind of breaks up the family. That would do that | 2240.9240 |
1864 | | 2241.2971 | as well. | 2241.7845 |
1866 | | 2242.7723 | <ts> Um. | 2243.3007 |
1868 | | 2243.7837 | I'm not bitter about that. Don't get me wrong. | 2245.3773 |
1870 | | 2245.4607 | I'm you know. [Tha- just- just.] | 2246.6686 |
1871 | LES_int_01 | 2245.9530 | [So, you see some] positive effects of | 2248.0169 |
1872 | | 2248.3369 | [gentrification.] | 2249.4125 |
1873 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2248.5784 | [Well, the neighborhood got] better I think at one time, cause there was the whole | 2251.6691 |
1874 | | 2251.8623 | just drug influx [at one] time when, you know, that whole Lower East Side, Avenue A, Avenue B, Avenue C, | 2257.4632 |
1875 | LES_int_01 | 2252.9597 | [Yeah.] | 2253.3021 |
1876 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2257.6695 | it was like | 2258.0471 |
1878 | | 2258.1744 | crazy drug infested [there.] | 2259.4959 |
1879 | LES_int_01 | 2259.3592 | [Right.] | 2259.8158 |
1880 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2259.9475 | You know, you go down there, you see buildings burnt out, all kind of stuff. | 2262.4719 |
1882 | | 2263.0690 | And that whole | 2263.6090 |
1884 | | 2263.7802 | gentrification thing | 2264.7944 |
1886 | | 2265.3504 | kind of helped that. | 2266.0397 |
1888 | | 2266.2416 | You know, the neighborhood now is, I can't live there, but, you [know. <laugh> I still can't live there.] | 2270.1534 |
1889 | LES_int_01 | 2268.7172 | [<laugh>] | 2269.8982 |
1890 | | 2270.1616 | Okay. | 2270.6050 |
1892 | | 2271.1100 | [So, you see sort of] positives and- [positives] and negatives at the same [time.] | 2274.8989 |
1893 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2271.1867 | [But the is.] | 2271.9162 |
1895 | | 2272.8534 | [Oh. | 2273.0895 |
1897 | | 2274.6398 | [Yeah,] yeah. | 2275.4465 |
1898 | LES_int_01 | 2275.5738 | [/inaudible/] | 2275.9734 |
1899 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2275.5870 | [I can't afford] to live there, but it's good to see that the neighborhood, they're fixing up the neighborhood and [stuff.] | 2279.9508 |
1900 | LES_int_01 | 2279.5820 | [Right.] Right. [Okay.] | 2280.7194 |
1901 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2280.4601 | [So,] | 2281.1537 |
1902 | | 2281.3118 | you know, there are positives and negatives to [that] | 2283.4580 |
1903 | LES_int_01 | 2283.0672 | [Yeah.] Yea- it's co- I mean, it's [complicated /like you said/.] | 2285.3019 |
1904 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2284.6390 | [Yeah, yeah.] | 2285.0165 |
1905 | LES_int_01 | 2285.9912 | Um. | 2286.6278 |
1906 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2286.7463 | Hm. Are these good? | 2287.3547 |
1907 | LES_int_01 | 2287.5936 | These are so good. | 2288.2072 |
1908 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2288.2423 | Hm. | 2288.4574 |
1909 | LES_int_01 | 2288.6901 | If I uh, if I asked you if there were a coup- | 2291.1975 |
1911 | | 2291.3643 | uh, uh, a few | 2292.4750 |
1913 | | 2292.7604 | places for you, | 2293.9282 |
1915 | | 2294.1697 | in the neighborhood, | 2295.1805 |
1917 | | 2295.3913 | that stick out in your | 2296.7698 |
1919 | | 2296.9630 | time that you spent there as like, really important to you. | 2299.3041 |
1921 | | 2299.7667 | Um. | 2300.3550 |
1923 | | 2300.5526 | Places where you spent time, or- or that really matter to you. | 2303.6823 |
1925 | | 2304.0818 | What would you [say?] | 2304.8369 |
1926 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2304.4641 | [Um.] | 2304.8065 |
1927 | | 2306.2243 | Henry Street Settlement. One of 'em. | 2307.3789 |
1928 | LES_int_01 | 2307.5238 | Mm-hm. | 2307.9156 |
1929 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2308.3941 | Um. | 2308.7454 |
1931 | | 2309.1880 | Cause I- I- I- | 2309.8824 |
1933 | | 2310.3720 | we used to rehearse as a band there. | 2311.6934 |
1934 | LES_int_01 | 2312.1193 | Oh, you did? | 2312.5846 |
1935 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2312.8700 | <ts> | 2312.9403 |
1937 | | 2313.1334 | We rehearsed there. | 2314.0060 |
1939 | | 2314.4713 | I studied karate there, | 2315.8411 |
1941 | | 2316.1001 | studied [fencing there.] | 2317.2548 |
1942 | LES_int_01 | 2316.8640 | [Karate,] fencing, | 2318.1241 |
1943 | | 2318.4050 | [you know] a lot of cool [sports.] | 2319.6738 |
1944 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2318.4709 | [Mm-hm.] | 2318.7343 |
1946 | | 2319.4763 | [Yeah,] yeah. | 2319.8675 |
1947 | | 2320.1441 | Was into that. I'm- r- you know. | 2321.1802 |
1949 | | 2321.7678 | Not now. | 2322.2946 |
1951 | | 2322.4219 | I don't do anything now, but. | 2323.4756 |
1952 | LES_int_01 | 2323.4756 | <laugh> | 2324.0068 |
1953 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2324.6039 | So, that's a point and place for me. | 2325.8712 |
1954 | LES_int_01 | 2326.0687 | Mm-hm. | 2326.4024 |
1955 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2326.4024 | Um. | 2326.9248 |
1956 | | 2328.9400 | Basically, | 2329.3746 |
1958 | | 2329.8268 | I mean, in- some of the | 2330.8410 |
1960 | | 2330.9507 | surrounding parks in the area. | 2332.4551 |
1962 | | 2332.9380 | Cause we always found a way to play in these parks | 2335.0014 |
1964 | | 2335.1332 | [you know,] we'd get the band together, and we'd just play | 2336.9332 |
1965 | LES_int_01 | 2335.1332 | [Yeah.] | 2335.4361 |
1966 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2338.3936 | [whatever park.] | 2339.0126 |
1967 | LES_int_01 | 2338.5604 | [So, you guys] were just playing. You'd set up your | 2340.7644 |
1968 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2341.2385 | We'd [set up our equipment] and we'd find some electricity, a lamp pole to plug into, | 2344.7008 |
1969 | LES_int_01 | 2341.4273 | [own equipment.] | 2342.1473 |
1970 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2344.9642 | plug all the amps in, and we'd just [play.] | 2346.7691 |
1971 | LES_int_01 | 2346.4091 | [And you] start playing. | 2347.4453 |
1972 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2347.4453 | Yeah, we'd just play. | 2348.0643 |
1973 | LES_int_01 | 2348.5761 | And what kind of music was is? | 2349.5771 |
1974 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2350.6176 | Oh, we played all kind of, we played rock music at one point, we played uh, | 2354.0537 |
1976 | | 2354.3346 | R and B music, | 2355.4981 |
1977 | LES_int_01 | 2355.6605 | Mm-hm. | 2355.9810 |
1978 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2356.2795 | uh, pop | 2356.9238 |
1980 | | 2357.0336 | music, I guess, and back then, it wasn't all these classifications of music too, it was just music then, [you know.] | 2362.1751 |
1981 | LES_int_01 | 2361.7712 | [Right,] right. | 2362.5571 |
1982 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2362.6624 | Now, they have you know, all kind of categories now, but. | 2364.6951 |
1983 | LES_int_01 | 2365.0950 | Yeah. | 2365.3892 |
1984 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2365.5209 | Um. | 2366.0170 |
1985 | LES_int_01 | 2366.9741 | What about the music that you play now? Or you- can you [categorize?] | 2369.7296 |
1986 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2369.5408 | [R and] B music [kind of.] | 2370.8360 |
1987 | LES_int_01 | 2370.5490 | [R and B.] | 2371.1258 |
1988 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2370.9457 | [Yeah.] | 2371.2750 |
1989 | | 2371.3584 | Play some funk. We /??/ call it funk. [We-[ | 2373.3503 |
1990 | LES_int_01 | 2373.1305 | [Yeah.] | 2373.5827 |
1991 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2373.6238 | I still don't like to get into those [classifications, but.] | 2375.9852 |
1992 | LES_int_01 | 2375.1385 | [Okay, okay.] | 2375.9852 |
1993 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2376.4857 | That's what they say it is. And [that's] | 2378.8088 |
1994 | LES_int_01 | 2378.2732 | [It's unique.] | 2379.0562 |
1995 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2379.0562 | Yeah, yeah. I, you know. I just call it music, you know | 2381.2689 |
1996 | LES_int_01 | 2381.2689 | Right, [right.] | 2381.9551 |
1997 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2381.6171 | [I let] you put the title on it, [you know,] I don't. | 2383.7771 |
1998 | LES_int_01 | 2383.0132 | [Okay.] | 2383.3381 |
1999 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2384.5498 | But, | 2384.8308 |
2001 | | 2385.4044 | basically, that Henry Street Settlement was a big | 2387.1429 |
2003 | | 2387.3800 | big part of my life | 2388.2493 |
2004 | LES_int_01 | 2388.2449 | [Yeah.] | 2388.6137 |
2005 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2388.4951 | [growing] up | 2388.9342 |
2006 | | 2389.8430 | because | 2390.3391 |
2008 | | 2391.3956 | it, you know, s- that's where the, lot of the development stages of my life, [you know] | 2395.5005 |
2009 | LES_int_01 | 2395.1756 | [You spent /enough-/] you spent a lot of time there. | 2397.2103 |
2010 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2395.6278 | [took place.] | 2396.2249 |
2011 | | 2397.3708 | Pre- I l- I think I did, I did, I did. | 2399.5907 |
2013 | | 2399.8761 | I f- I cause I studied- I was in the basketball team that was a part of the Henry Street Settlement. I couldn't play, but. | 2404.3158 |
2014 | LES_int_01 | 2404.4606 | <laugh> | 2405.1894 |
2015 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2405.1894 | I sucked really. [<laugh>] | 2407.2572 |
2016 | LES_int_01 | 2406.5574 | [<laugh>] | 2407.2572 |
2017 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2407.7647 | [But, I think I got] on the basketball team cause my brother could play. | 2410.7709 |
2018 | LES_int_01 | 2407.7647 | [/unintelligible/] | 2408.9138 |
2019 | | 2411.1309 | Okay. | 2411.5129 |
2020 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2411.5129 | And they put me on the team thinking that, if i- you know, if you're his brother, then you should be able to play. | 2415.7831 |
2021 | LES_int_01 | 2416.0246 | [Right.] | 2416.3275 |
2022 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2416.2221 | [I] couldn't play at all, but | 2417.1090 |
2023 | | 2417.2495 | you know, they found that out pretty quick. | 2418.5589 |
2024 | LES_int_01 | 2418.5589 | [<laugh>] | 2419.3008 |
2025 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2419.3008 | But, everything else I did, they, you know, was fencing, and the [karate, yeah] | 2422.7325 |
2026 | LES_int_01 | 2421.4286 | [Did you uh, end up] on the bench? Or | 2423.5052 |
2027 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2423.8564 | Most of the time. | 2424.4359 |
2029 | | 2424.8131 | I think I got in, I'll tell you a quick story. | 2426.8371 |
2031 | | 2427.7622 | But, | 2428.0209 |
2033 | | 2428.1351 | you know, | 2428.5082 |
2035 | | 2428.7234 | I- it was another guy who sit on the bench with me. | 2430.2863 |
2037 | | 2430.5761 | And we would have these things, or who's gonna get in first? You know, it's like, | 2433.3337 |
2039 | | 2433.4978 | I bet I'm gonna get in first, and he said, nah, bet I'm gonna get in first. So, one day, | 2436.7894 |
2041 | | 2437.0796 | I was so excited, a guy p- okay Mitchell, you getting in. | 2439.2696 |
2043 | | 2439.7907 | And I got so excited, I got in, you know. And they gave me the ball. | 2442.8580 |
2045 | | 2443.0823 | And I went the other way. | 2444.2429 |
2046 | LES_int_01 | 2444.3922 | [<laugh>] | 2444.9805 |
2047 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2444.5898 | [And shot] the ball in the other people's basket and made it. | 2446.9869 |
2048 | | 2447.0791 | You know, that was like. <laugh> | 2448.4066 |
2049 | LES_int_01 | 2448.7749 | That's such a [classic story. (laughing)] | 2450.6566 |
2050 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2449.3153 | [That's when I knew that] | 2450.9261 |
2051 | | 2451.1413 | basketball's not my (laughing) <laugh> | 2452.4583 |
2052 | LES_int_01 | 2452.9756 | And [they immediately] pulled you [back on the bench?] | 2455.2741 |
2053 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2453.1125 | [my thing.] | 2453.7271 |
2055 | | 2454.1854 | [Yeah. Go-] | 2454.5893 |
2057 | | 2454.8702 | [back on] the bench. That was it, and I was like okay. My brother was like, he was like, oh, no. He didn't do that. | 2459.4109 |
2058 | | 2459.5129 | Did he do that? | 2460.3063 |
2059 | Misc | 2460.5227 | Then the other team offered you a [contract.] | 2462.0576 |
2060 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2461.7668 | [<laugh> Exac- <laugh>] | 2463.5273 |
2061 | LES_int_01 | 2461.9248 | [<laugh>] | 2463.6853 |
2062 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2463.8258 | Yeah, I got- I end up playing for the other team. | 2465.3624 |
2064 | | 2465.5512 | [<laugh>] | 2467.2897 |
2065 | LES_int_01 | 2466.5390 | [That's hilarious.] | 2467.9395 |
2066 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2467.8385 | [But.] | 2468.2073 |
2067 | LES_int_01 | 2468.3390 | <laugh> | 2469.0063 |
2068 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2469.2039 | Uh. No. Basketball wasn't my thing there, but. | 2471.4023 |
2070 | | 2471.8047 | Everything else. And that Henry Street Settlement's where all that happened. | 2474.5047 |
2071 | LES_int_01 | 2474.7462 | Okay. | 2475.1676 |
2072 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2475.4793 | So, I'd say that was a pretty | 2476.6735 |
2074 | | 2476.9194 | big | 2477.0818 |
2075 | LES_int_01 | 2477.2570 | [That /inaudible/ place, yeah.] | 2478.8166 |
2076 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2477.3496 | [part of my life back then, yeah.] | 2478.9066 |
2077 | | 2479.0493 | For me. | 2479.4093 |
2079 | | 2479.6596 | Yeah. | 2479.9493 |
2080 | LES_int_01 | 2480.1513 | LaGuardia [Projects.] | 2481.4601 |
2081 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2481.3460 | [Yeah.] | 2481.5084 |
2082 | LES_int_01 | 2482.4172 | Manhunt. | 2482.9561 |
2083 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2483.4786 | Manhunt. | 2483.9439 |
2084 | LES_int_01 | 2484.1283 | <laugh> | 2484.7336 |
2085 | Misc | 2484.7336 | They also [bought us equipment.] | 2485.8604 |
2086 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2485.1510 | [Kick the can, ring /unintelligible/.] | 2486.5497 |
2087 | Misc | 2486.8043 | Remember? They bought our band [equipment?] | 2488.1880 |
2088 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2487.8097 | [Red Rover.] | 2488.5078 |
2089 | | 2489.2497 | Right, I think we played one of the organ- one of the organizations, | 2492.0726 |
2090 | Misc | 2492.7400 | Bought us equipment. | 2493.4205 |
2091 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2493.4205 | that um. | 2494.2239 |
2092 | | 2494.4199 | A- in [fact, the Henry Street] Settlement. | 2495.6975 |
2093 | LES_int_01 | 2494.7404 | [Henry Street?] | 2495.2980 |
2094 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2495.9477 | Yeah. | 2496.1541 |
2095 | LES_int_01 | 2496.7643 | They [did?] | 2497.2824 |
2096 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2497.1639 | [Well,] we [did so] many things for them. | 2498.3668 |
2097 | Misc | 2497.4317 | [Yeah.] | 2497.7214 |
2098 | | 2498.5907 | They told us to [go home] | 2499.8990 |
2099 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2499.0912 | [Every event.] | 2499.8200 |
2100 | Misc | 2500.0878 | and write up. | 2500.6322 |
2101 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2500.7288 | <laugh> [A proposal right?] | 2502.4806 |
2102 | Misc | 2501.6404 | [The guy got mad] at me. He yelled at me. | 2503.5502 |
2103 | LES_int_01 | 2504.0084 | This is when you were [teenagers?] | 2505.2904 |
2104 | Misc | 2505.1938 | [Yeah.] We're like thirteen, [fourteen] years old. And he like, was talking all big to us. | 2508.9716 |
2105 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2506.0082 | [Mm-hm.] | 2506.3243 |
2106 | Misc | 2509.2219 | And you young lads, | 2510.6487 |
2108 | | 2510.9429 | will do this and everything. God wants you to go | 2513.1709 |
2110 | | 2513.3202 | home, write up [what equipment you] need. | 2515.4012 |
2111 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2514.2893 | [<laugh>] | 2515.1147 |
2112 | Misc | 2516.0059 | [So,] | 2516.3220 |
2113 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2516.1552 | [Yeah.] | 2516.5152 |
2114 | Misc | 2516.9630 | [we went to the /unintelligible/] store, and it came to like three thousand [dollars.] | 2520.4302 |
2115 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2517.2033 | [Did you really mean that?] | 2518.0551 |
2117 | | 2519.9517 | [<laugh>] | 2520.9922 |
2118 | Misc | 2521.2980 | And we went into this big meeting in a board room, and we're like, oh, what'll they think? | 2524.9814 |
2120 | | 2525.2141 | And he's talking all of this thing, | 2526.5444 |
2121 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2526.7902 | [<laugh>] | 2527.2584 |
2122 | Misc | 2526.7902 | [and] | 2527.2584 |
2123 | | 2527.4733 | I'm gonna get these kids equipment. | 2529.3655 |
2125 | | 2529.5104 | Give me the [paper.] | 2530.3056 |
2126 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2530.1436 | [<laugh>] | 2532.1676 |
2127 | Misc | 2530.8636 | [When we handed him the paper, he saw that three thousand dollars (laughing)] | 2534.4351 |
2128 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2532.5385 | [<laugh>] | 2534.2024 |
2129 | Misc | 2534.7864 | He went [<sound effect> started choking.] | 2537.8381 |
2130 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2535.7308 | [<laugh>] | 2536.9118 |
2131 | | 2538.3211 | Yeah, well, do you need all that? And he's like do you need [all that?] | 2540.6237 |
2132 | LES_int_01 | 2539.9784 | [And did he say it's] too much? | 2541.3130 |
2133 | Misc | 2541.6072 | Yeah. [He want- think he wanted to give] us a hundred fifty [bucks or something. He-] | 2545.2974 |
2134 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2542.0682 | [Back then it was too much.] | 2543.1849 |
2136 | | 2544.1376 | [<laugh>] | 2544.9630 |
2137 | LES_int_01 | 2544.2825 | [Oh.] | 2545.3844 |
2138 | Misc | 2545.4335 | [So you ca-] | 2545.9125 |
2139 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2545.4898 | [What do you want? Get a couple of tambourines or something?] | 2547.3442 |
2140 | Misc | 2546.4696 | [we-] | 2546.6760 |
2142 | | 2546.8252 | [So we whittled] him down to three hundred dollars or like four hundred [dollars or something.] | 2550.7527 |
2143 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2550.0678 | [I think we did] get a PA system [right? We got a PA system out of it.] | 2553.4248 |
2144 | Misc | 2551.3086 | [Yeah. | 2551.5765 |
2146 | | 2551.7257 | [Four hundred fifty. We got something out of it.] | 2553.7760 |
2147 | | 2553.8901 | [But E-] | 2554.2589 |
2148 | LES_int_01 | 2554.0394 | [Cause equipment is expensive.] | 2555.7483 |
2149 | Misc | 2554.5260 | [That was so-] | 2555.1933 |
2151 | | 2555.6016 | [I- and] the way he said, he was a big shot. | 2557.6870 |
2152 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2555.7992 | [Yeah.] | 2556.0889 |
2153 | | 2557.7722 | [Yeah, I mean, you know.] | 2558.9601 |
2154 | Misc | 2557.8055 | [So, he'd be talking, you know,] get whatever you need. | 2559.9963 |
2155 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2560.0094 | [<laugh>] | 2561.5021 |
2156 | Misc | 2560.8172 | [And then we laughed] at him, and he got mad. Cause he said | 2563.2248 |
2157 | | 2563.4267 | a guitar? | 2564.2126 |
2159 | | 2564.5331 | Three hundred? I thought a guitar is fifteen dollars, and we started to laugh. | 2567.7693 |
2161 | | 2567.9256 | Now, [/inaudible/ was laughing at] a grown [man] | 2570.0203 |
2162 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2568.3037 | [<laugh>] | 2569.2608 |
2164 | | 2569.7394 | [Wait'll you see how much a guitar costs now.] | 2571.1559 |
2165 | Misc | 2570.2327 | [who is ignorant] of how much [it should cost,] | 2572.5740 |
2166 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2571.7091 | [Right, right, right.] | 2572.5213 |
2167 | Misc | 2572.7452 | and he got mad at [us. At me.] | 2574.6769 |
2168 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2573.9745 | [Yeah. (laughing) That was, uh.] | 2574.6769 |
2169 | | 2574.8569 | /RD-NAME-4/ right? | 2575.6296 |
2170 | Misc | 2575.6296 | Yeah. He got mad at me. | 2576.4681 |
2171 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2576.7535 | [<laugh>] | 2577.2569 |
2172 | Misc | 2576.7535 | [/unintelligible/] | 2577.9593 |
2173 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2578.1393 | [<laugh>] | 2578.7232 |
2174 | Misc | 2578.4422 | [S-] Sorry man, you're stupid, but | 2580.2706 |
2175 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2580.4858 | [Lotta things happened down there.] | 2582.0445 |
2176 | Misc | 2580.4858 | [I remember, that was funny. I remember that.] | 2582.0445 |
2177 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2582.2376 | [<laugh>] | 2582.6371 |
2178 | LES_int_01 | 2582.5186 | [What's] a guitar cost? | 2583.6557 |
2179 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2584.2572 | [What? Now?] | 2584.7708 |
2180 | LES_int_01 | 2584.2572 | [Fifteen dollars.] | 2585.4059 |
2181 | Misc | 2585.2127 | [Oh] now? It's about twelve hundred bucks. | 2587.3244 |
2182 | LES_int_01 | 2587.4825 | [Oh. Yeah.] | 2588.0752 |
2183 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2587.6888 | [Yeah a] decent one. | 2588.5014 |
2184 | LES_int_01 | 2588.6284 | [A decent] one [yeah.] | 2589.7172 |
2185 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2588.6287 | [Yeah.] | 2588.9448 |
2187 | | 2589.2254 | [Yeah.] | 2589.5240 |
2188 | Misc | 2589.2254 | [Back then, was] like three hundred. Like, he was like, he said fifteen dollars, we all laughed, and he [got mad.] | 2593.3682 |
2189 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2592.7914 | [<laugh>] | 2593.9898 |
2190 | Misc | 2593.5570 | [And he yelled at me.] | 2594.4570 |
2191 | LES_int_01 | 2595.2384 | That's crazy. | 2596.3053 |
2192 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2596.2921 | Yeah, and that's f- that's- it happened at Henry Street Settlement. [/inaudible/] | 2599.4076 |
2193 | Misc | 2599.1266 | [Yeah.] | 2599.4076 |
2194 | LES_int_01 | 2599.6402 | Okay. | 2600.0178 |
2195 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2600.0178 | Only thing that went on there. So, that was an important part of us- our thing right? Then we played for every function they had. | 2604.4119 |
2196 | | 2604.9607 | Every function that site, [so they had to.] | 2606.8139 |
2197 | Misc | 2605.7910 | [Or they used us for that four hundred] | 2607.4568 |
2198 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2607.3786 | [Exactly. Or they o- forget- I think that was the worst thing that we shoulda- that we shoulda did. | 2611.8084 |
2199 | Misc | 2607.5849 | [/inaudible/] | 2609.3147 |
2200 | LES_int_01 | 2609.3147 | [/inaudible/] | 2610.1225 |
2201 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2612.1640 | Because now, we were at their- at their [will now, you know.] | 2615.6087 |
2202 | Misc | 2614.3970 | [They pla- they played for /inaudible/] | 2616.4785 |
2203 | LES_int_01 | 2615.6137 | [Free entertainment.] | 2616.8429 |
2204 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2616.2003 | [They're gonna snatch that.] | 2617.0317 |
2205 | LES_int_01 | 2617.0361 | Free. | 2617.5234 |
2206 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2617.5234 | Yeah. Exactly, you know. | 2618.8784 |
2207 | Misc | 2619.0233 | November Wednesdays. | 2620.2133 |
2209 | | 2620.3316 | I'm like what? [That's not even a holiday.] | 2621.9598 |
2210 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2620.9023 | [<laugh>] | 2623.3895 |
2211 | LES_int_01 | 2622.0188 | [<laugh>] | 2623.3981 |
2212 | Misc | 2623.3324 | [That's] a. | 2623.7846 |
2213 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2624.1622 | Whatever they- | 2624.6012 |
2215 | | 2624.9568 | Whatever event they came up with. | 2626.7102 |
2217 | | 2627.3907 | When they came back from camp | 2628.8175 |
2219 | | 2629.1098 | And I don't even [know what day that was, you know.] | 2630.6596 |
2220 | Misc | 2629.7453 | [Yeah. Camp- Camp] return day. [We're like, what?] | 2633.3497 |
2221 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2631.5464 | [<laugh>[ | 2632.6341 |
2222 | | 2634.0302 | And (coughing) we had to play for that. | 2635.2331 |
2224 | | 2635.6063 | But, I think we enjoyed it so much, we did it anyway. | 2637.2731 |
2225 | LES_int_01 | 2637.8263 | That's [really] funny. | 2638.9678 |
2226 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2638.0151 | [But.] | 2638.2170 |
2227 | | 2639.1876 | That's pretty much what hap- Henry Street Settlement was a big part of our thing. | 2641.9623 |
2228 | LES_int_01 | 2642.1599 | Yeah. | 2642.5052 |
2230 | | 2642.8300 | Cool, cool. | 2643.4227 |
2232 | | 2643.7696 | Um. I also really wanted to ask your opinion about um, | 2647.1281 |
2234 | | 2647.6725 | housing and development in the neighborhood. | 2650.1250 |
2236 | | 2650.6563 | So, I'm sure you've noticed | 2652.5338 |
2238 | | 2652.7840 | some of the | 2653.5699 |
2240 | | 2654.6762 | luxury buildings going up | 2656.1294 |
2242 | | 2656.3446 | in the [area.] | 2657.0871 |
2243 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2656.7885 | [Yeah.] I see a lot of that. | 2658.2285 |
2244 | LES_int_01 | 2658.4632 | Definitely noticeable. | 2659.5461 |
2246 | | 2660.3144 | <ts> Um. | 2661.1969 |
2248 | | 2662.0530 | I mean, | 2662.4805 |
2250 | | 2662.5858 | What's your take on that? I guess, [personally?] | 2664.3551 |
2251 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2664.2437 | [I mean] they all look nice, but I would love to be able to afford to <laugh> live in them, but I- I can't, [so.] | 2669.7206 |
2252 | LES_int_01 | 2669.4572 | [Yeah. Yeah.] | 2670.1859 |
2253 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2670.0455 | [I mean, I'm-] | 2670.6425 |
2254 | | 2670.8995 | I'm happy to see that. | 2671.9971 |
2256 | | 2672.5048 | Again, but that | 2673.5234 |
2258 | | 2673.6595 | involves, you know, people that can afford that, eventually, it's gonna overtake all- it's gonna wipe everybody out eventually. | 2679.8492 |
2259 | LES_int_01 | 2679.8492 | Right, right. | 2680.5736 |
2260 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2680.5736 | Um. So, those people that | 2682.2156 |
2261 | | 2683.7331 | can't afford to live in those | 2685.0370 |
2263 | | 2685.5155 | types of housing developments | 2687.0478 |
2265 | | 2687.5526 | um. | 2688.1761 |
2267 | | 2688.6985 | will be | 2690.0009 |
2269 | | 2690.2072 | you know, pushed out of the neighborhood. | 2691.8843 |
2271 | | 2692.0160 | [And eventually,] it's- it's we- it's not even gonna be like the | 2695.3599 |
2272 | LES_int_01 | 2692.0160 | [Yeah.] | 2692.4287 |
2273 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2695.5575 | well, not gonna be the Lower East Side that I knew. | 2697.4892 |
2275 | | 2697.7438 | I knew. | 2698.2136 |
2276 | LES_int_01 | 2698.3497 | [Yeah.] | 2698.7604 |
2277 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2698.6000 | [You] know, it's not gonna be that. | 2699.7239 |
2278 | LES_int_01 | 2699.9170 | Yeah. | 2700.3464 |
2279 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2700.3648 | Uh. They'll be people living here, and it will be just a boundary now, it'll be just a name. | 2704.3760 |
2280 | LES_int_01 | 2704.6482 | [Right.] | 2704.9907 |
2281 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2704.8678 | [It] won't be, it won't have that | 2706.3473 |
2282 | | 2706.4834 | same | 2707.0658 |
2284 | | 2707.5970 | feeling, you know. Of- of | 2709.1512 |
2286 | | 2709.4277 | people together, that togetherness. It won't have that. | 2711.6317 |
2287 | LES_int_01 | 2711.7809 | [Yeah.] | 2712.1916 |
2288 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2711.8205 | [Doesn't have] that now, | 2712.9253 |
2289 | | 2713.0131 | [so.] | 2713.2985 |
2290 | LES_int_01 | 2713.2194 | [Yeah. | 2713.5970 |
2291 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2713.8176 | <ts> And that's what's gonna happen. | 2714.9547 |
2293 | | 2715.6615 | [Basically.] | 2716.4342 |
2294 | LES_int_01 | 2715.7625 | [There's um.] | 2716.7547 |
2295 | | 2717.1323 | There- there's a site. I'm not sure if you've seen it since I know you don't live around here right now, but, [um,] it's been | 2723.4045 |
2296 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2722.2323 | [Mkay.] | 2722.5484 |
2297 | LES_int_01 | 2723.7513 | a parking lot for about forty years. So, you may have seen it. Just south of Delancey Street. | 2728.4123 |
2299 | | 2729.0621 | By the Williamsburg Bridge. | 2730.3835 |
2301 | | 2731.0362 | Just [where the Williamsburg Bridge] | 2733.0030 |
2302 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2731.1942 | [South of Delancey Street.] | 2732.8625 |
2303 | LES_int_01 | 2733.3191 | [starts.] | 2734.0874 |
2304 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2733.7362 | [Wha-] Now, what's the cross street then? | 2735.0269 |
2305 | LES_int_01 | 2735.2120 | Uh. Clinton, | 2736.0023 |
2307 | | 2736.3930 | like Clinton and Delancey. | 2737.8681 |
2309 | | 2738.6891 | And it's right at the entrance of the Williamsburg Bridge. There's a big area of [parking lots.] | 2743.0076 |
2310 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2742.1867 | [Okay. I think,] alright, [alright.] | 2743.8725 |
2311 | LES_int_01 | 2743.5125 | [Does] that sound familiar? | 2744.6233 |
2312 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2744.9346 | I think I know where that is. | 2746.1770 |
2314 | | 2746.3834 | Yeah. | 2746.7082 |
2315 | LES_int_01 | 2746.8619 | [One of the group] | 2747.5556 |
2316 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2747.1736 | [Because] it's a Rite Aid right down the block. | 2749.0044 |
2317 | LES_int_01 | 2748.9956 | Yeah! Exactly. Exactly right there. | 2750.6595 |
2318 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2750.6595 | Alright. | 2750.9624 |
2319 | | 2751.3341 | [Okay.] | 2751.6765 |
2320 | LES_int_01 | 2751.3341 | [One of the] groups that I work with is- is really interested in getting that land developed. So, I ask everyone that I interview | 2756.9712 |
2321 | | 2757.1497 | [Um.] | 2757.8302 |
2322 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2757.3034 | [Mm.] | 2757.5448 |
2323 | LES_int_01 | 2758.1068 | Like, what their personal opinion is, because i- if you've seen it, | 2761.3775 |
2325 | | 2761.5049 | it's- it's actually | 2762.4883 |
2327 | | 2762.6507 | the biggest plot of land south of Ninety-Sixth Street | 2766.0561 |
2329 | | 2766.4995 | that's undeveloped. And, it's owned by the city. | 2768.2600 |
2330 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2768.9346 | [Mm.] | 2769.2375 |
2331 | LES_int_01 | 2768.9521 | [And] so, it's- | 2769.6721 |
2332 | | 2769.7687 | it's a big space. And, so I ask everybody that I interview | 2772.7058 |
2334 | | 2773.2722 | um, | 2774.0097 |
2336 | | 2774.2205 | like, if it were up to you, | 2775.4431 |
2338 | | 2775.7373 | what do you think | 2776.3783 |
2340 | | 2776.6680 | should get built there? Like what do you think the community could use or needs? | 2780.4107 |
2342 | | 2781.5566 | What would [you put] there? | 2782.3436 |
2343 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2781.9177 | [Well.] | 2782.1153 |
2344 | | 2784.5519 | I'd like to see some | 2785.3494 |
2346 | | 2786.7762 | low income housing there. <laugh> | 2788.2338 |
2347 | LES_int_01 | 2788.2338 | Yeah. | 2788.5148 |
2348 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2788.8221 | And- and- | 2789.3402 |
2350 | | 2789.4850 | and some more | 2790.9131 |
2352 | | 2791.0187 | like community center type thing going on there. I think we don't have enough of that. | 2794.2177 |
2353 | LES_int_01 | 2794.3626 | Right. | 2794.6963 |
2355 | | 2794.7884 | [Like a Henry Street Settlement?] | 2796.0946 |
2356 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2794.8806 | [I think it's yeah. Mm.] Yeah, like to see some of that go in there. | 2797.5785 |
2357 | LES_int_01 | 2797.5785 | [Okay.] | 2798.0291 |
2358 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2797.8876 | [A] place where kids could go. | 2798.9467 |
2359 | LES_int_01 | 2799.2189 | Yeah. | 2799.5570 |
2360 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2799.8994 | Kids got no where to go now. | 2800.9180 |
2361 | LES_int_01 | 2801.4053 | Yeah. | 2801.7082 |
2362 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2801.8092 | They got no where to go. | 2802.6477 |
2363 | LES_int_01 | 2802.9682 | Okay. | 2803.2624 |
2364 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2803.4029 | And I- I- I mean, I honestly me- I don't know everything now, cause, like I say, I don't live here anymore, [but.] | 2807.5747 |
2365 | LES_int_01 | 2807.4430 | [Yeah.] | 2807.8118 |
2366 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2809.3088 | They got no where to go. | 2810.1298 |
2368 | | 2811.3503 | Kids got nothing to do. | 2812.3293 |
2369 | LES_int_01 | 2812.6966 | Yeah. | 2813.0215 |
2370 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2813.3551 | We played in the street, we did all kind of things. | 2815.3747 |
2371 | LES_int_01 | 2817.0430 | [What di- what's your sense] of what kids are doing now? | 2819.1839 |
2372 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2817.2230 | [Um.] | 2817.5742 |
2373 | | 2819.3551 | I don't know what the hell they're doing right now. <laugh> | 2821.1332 |
2375 | | 2821.3264 | Some of them. | 2821.8225 |
2376 | LES_int_01 | 2822.0903 | [Hang on the street corner.] | 2823.2888 |
2377 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2822.1869 | [I know my ki- i- my-] my- well, my kids are old, so. | 2824.6981 |
2378 | | 2826.0444 | But, | 2826.3956 |
2380 | | 2828.9771 | unless you- | 2830.0967 |
2382 | | 2831.1576 | I got- let's say, my parents- | 2832.5581 |
2384 | | 2834.2484 | they didn't- | 2834.5337 |
2386 | | 2834.7269 | we weren't as close as I am with my kids now. | 2836.7728 |
2388 | | 2836.8503 | Put it that way. | 2837.3595 |
2389 | LES_int_01 | 2837.5132 | Yeah. | 2837.7942 |
2390 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2837.7942 | Or my kids when I- when the- when they were growing up. | 2839.6293 |
2391 | LES_int_01 | 2839.7830 | Yeah. | 2840.1386 |
2392 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2840.5864 | It was a little different. Parents were parents, kids were kids. You stayed in your place. | 2843.7108 |
2394 | | 2844.0532 | It was none of that. | 2844.6678 |
2396 | | 2845.1113 | But, | 2845.5635 |
2398 | | 2845.9147 | because of that wasn't- that, you know, we didn't have that | 2848.6059 |
2400 | | 2849.5308 | bond | 2850.1586 |
2402 | | 2850.4000 | that maybe I have with my kids [now.] | 2852.1913 |
2403 | LES_int_01 | 2851.8005 | [Yeah.] | 2852.1913 |
2404 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2853.1088 | There were still other things for us to do. | 2854.4611 |
2406 | | 2855.3683 | I bond with- th- I- with my | 2856.6986 |
2408 | | 2856.9576 | kids growing up, we | 2858.0464 |
2410 | | 2858.2088 | play together. | 2858.8498 |
2412 | | 2859.1132 | You know, we did things together. | 2860.2811 |
2413 | LES_int_01 | 2860.2811 | Yeah, yeah. | 2861.0786 |
2414 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2861.0917 | So | 2861.6361 |
2416 | | 2863.5064 | I didn't do that, growing up. | 2864.5864 |
2418 | | 2864.8191 | you know we didn't, you know, like I said, they went to work, you went to school, and | 2868.3517 |
2420 | | 2868.8566 | you did what we told you, and that was it, so. | 2870.8454 |
2422 | | 2870.9420 | Well, our- our alternative, would be now to go to these places. | 2874.3913 |
2424 | | 2874.9971 | You know what I'm saying? | 2875.7040 |
2425 | LES_int_01 | 2875.8401 | Yeah. | 2876.2308 |
2426 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2876.4723 | So, we had that. | 2877.2493 |
2428 | | 2877.8640 | So, without that now, what are the kids gonna do? If- if I- I- like I say, I'm not saying I'm an exception, | 2883.4864 |
2429 | LES_int_01 | 2883.7323 | [Yeah.] | 2883.9227 |
2430 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2883.7630 | [But,] I'm close with my kids, you know what I'm saying? And we- we | 2886.4910 |
2431 | | 2886.7017 | create things to do | 2887.9178 |
2433 | | 2888.3027 | and stuff like [that.] | 2889.2422 |
2434 | LES_int_01 | 2889.1456 | [Yeah.] | 2889.5056 |
2435 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2890.0193 | So, if [without that,] | 2891.5822 |
2436 | LES_int_01 | 2890.6778 | [Are you still close to your] kids? [Do they live in the city?] | 2892.8071 |
2437 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2892.0607 | [Yeah, exactly. Yeah.] | 2893.0661 |
2438 | | 2893.2988 | Yeah. | 2893.6237 |
2440 | | 2894.1038 | My- [my.] | 2894.7712 |
2441 | LES_int_01 | 2894.2767 | [Kids still live] with you? | 2895.2338 |
2442 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2895.2234 | No, well, my- | 2895.8292 |
2443 | | 2895.9521 | my- | 2896.2463 |
2445 | | 2896.4351 | they both live in the Bronx, they all- they're all [in the Bronx,] you know. | 2898.8360 |
2446 | LES_int_01 | 2897.7735 | [Oh, cool.] | 2898.4672 |
2447 | | 2899.3277 | Is that one reason [why /you moved up/?] | 2901.2375 |
2448 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2899.9818 | [Well, they lived in Manhattan too.] Then they ha- you know, they couldn't afford to live here, so that's where they could afford to live, and that's where they live now. | 2906.0152 |
2449 | LES_int_01 | 2906.1639 | Yeah. | 2906.5371 |
2450 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2906.9015 | So, | 2907.4502 |
2452 | | 2907.7005 | you could see that whole thing happening, but. | 2909.2431 |
2453 | LES_int_01 | 2909.4319 | Yeah. | 2909.8182 |
2455 | | 2910.7402 | [So,] community center you think's a | 2913.0489 |
2456 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2910.7753 | [Um.] | 2911.1573 |
2457 | | 2913.2289 | Yeah, [something for the] | 2914.2024 |
2458 | LES_int_01 | 2913.4192 | [would be a good thing for the neighborhood.] | 2914.9474 |
2459 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2914.3605 | [k- you can get people] together. You know, what I'm saying. And- and- and have things for them to do. Cause I don't know what the kids are doing now. | 2919.6354 |
2460 | LES_int_01 | 2919.6354 | Yeah. | 2919.9954 |
2461 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2920.3027 | And- and- and- and I | 2921.5276 |
2463 | | 2921.6379 | that's- I think that | 2922.5822 |
2465 | | 2922.8544 | you know, doesn't help | 2923.9081 |
2467 | | 2924.0047 | the crime situation, because when you don't got nothing to do, | 2926.4034 |
2469 | | 2926.9083 | you tend to do | 2927.6727 |
2471 | | 2927.8044 | silly things, [you know.] | 2928.9948 |
2472 | LES_int_01 | 2928.6210 | [Yes.] | 2929.1391 |
2473 | | 2929.3021 | [Yeah.] | 2929.6835 |
2474 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2929.4513 | [You got] nothing to do | 2930.2849 |
2475 | LES_int_01 | 2930.4518 | Right. | 2930.8820 |
2476 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2931.1015 | and you got nobody teaching you what you should be doing. | 2933.3527 |
2478 | | 2933.7171 | If you're not close with your parents, and you got no where to go, you're just gonna be running around | 2937.2524 |
2480 | | 2937.9943 | doing [crazy stuff.] Yeah, yeah, exactly. [Pretty much,] so. | 2940.6900 |
2481 | LES_int_01 | 2938.3938 | [Getting into trouble.] | 2939.2236 |
2483 | | 2939.7373 | [Right.] | 2940.0841 |
2484 | | 2941.0854 | And you said low income housing | 2942.9074 |
2485 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2943.1533 | Yeah. | 2943.5440 |
2486 | LES_int_01 | 2943.1752 | [/inaudible/ is in need of that too.] | 2944.7469 |
2487 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2943.9347 | [You could say, I mean,] it's a lot of homeless people too, you know, it's a lot of. I mean, I'm- | 2947.4338 |
2488 | | 2948.9601 | There's a lot of that going on. And I think there's a lot of money out here, | 2951.9499 |
2490 | | 2952.2001 | if we can afford to give sev- e- seven hundred mill- billion dollars to these things, | 2955.8759 |
2492 | | 2956.3324 | give a billion to l- | 2957.1710 |
2494 | | 2957.3905 | in- to- for these communities to do something. [You know what I'm saying?] | 2960.0894 |
2495 | LES_int_01 | 2959.2728 | [Yeah.] | 2959.8962 |
2496 | | 2960.2914 | [Yeah.] | 2960.6338 |
2497 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2960.4450 | [It] wouldn't take that much to do that. | 2962.4514 |
2498 | LES_int_01 | 2962.7042 | Right. | 2963.1564 |
2499 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2963.4681 | You know, but obviously, there's no money in that, so they don't do that. | 2965.8761 |
2501 | | 2966.0210 | You know what I'm saying, so. | 2967.1801 |
2502 | LES_int_01 | 2967.2591 | Right. | 2967.6103 |
2503 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2967.9396 | And that's why that's not happening. | 2969.0734 |
2505 | | 2969.4729 | But, I think that should happen. | 2970.7768 |
2506 | LES_int_01 | 2970.9436 | Yeah. | 2971.2592 |
2507 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2971.2592 | At some point, somebody should stop and say, hey, what about the | 2973.8626 |
2508 | | 2974.4772 | common guy, the regular guy? | 2975.9803 |
2509 | LES_int_01 | 2975.9803 | Yeah. | 2976.3404 |
2510 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2976.4282 | You know, who's money we're taking in taxes every week. | 2978.4696 |
2512 | | 2978.5662 | You know what I'm saying? [Well you know.] | 2980.1291 |
2513 | LES_int_01 | 2979.4941 | [Yeah.] | 2979.9305 |
2514 | | 2980.9852 | Um. | 2981.5461 |
2515 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2981.5461 | Did we [forget about him?] | 2982.5646 |
2516 | LES_int_01 | 2981.9148 | [Do y-] | 2982.2924 |
2517 | | 2982.5646 | Do you have a take on- on like the height of buildings that get built in the neighborhood? | 2986.9330 |
2519 | | 2987.3676 | Is that something that you [think] | 2988.8482 |
2520 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2988.7604 | [No, never really.] | 2989.5989 |
2521 | LES_int_01 | 2989.0414 | [should be restricted?] | 2990.0863 |
2522 | | 2990.7536 | Oh- [some people do.] | 2991.8232 |
2523 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2991.3080 | [No.] | 2991.8129 |
2524 | LES_int_01 | 2991.9022 | It's like [a big issue.] | 2992.9032 |
2525 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2992.1378 | I mean. | 2992.5241 |
2526 | | 2993.9349 | I n- doesn't matter to me. | 2995.3200 |
2527 | LES_int_01 | 2995.3200 | Doesn't matter [to you.] | 2996.2771 |
2528 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2995.9390 | [No.] | 2996.2639 |
2529 | LES_int_01 | 2996.5493 | Th- like the- like some of the buildings that kind of stick out of the tenements or [something?] | 3000.2728 |
2530 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 2999.9786 | [/?/ Nah, that doesn't bother me.] | 3001.3489 |
2531 | LES_int_01 | 3000.4835 | [Doesn't bother you.] | 3001.0455 |
2532 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3001.4894 | No. | 3001.7704 |
2534 | | 3001.9767 | That doesn't bother me at all. | 3003.0085 |
2535 | LES_int_01 | 3003.2324 | Okay. | 3003.4650 |
2536 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3003.4650 | I mean, I'm ev- | 3004.0665 |
2537 | | 3004.5149 | I mean, if you go <laugh> I was down in Georgia not too long ago, | 3007.3466 |
2539 | | 3007.7198 | and you don't see any tall buildings down there. [You know,] that would | 3009.9879 |
2540 | LES_int_01 | 3009.3088 | [Right.] | 3009.6181 |
2541 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3010.1152 | Then you would see a giant building like that, and wou- that would maybe | 3012.7477 |
2543 | | 3013.3571 | you know, stick out [like a sore] thumb, but. | 3015.2142 |
2544 | LES_int_01 | 3013.8049 | [Stick out.] | 3014.4986 |
2545 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3015.3898 | And here, I'm used to. Wherever you go, you see tall buildings, [so that] wouldn't | 3018.2567 |
2546 | LES_int_01 | 3017.7271 | [Right.] | 3018.1218 |
2547 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3018.4279 | it's not an issue for me. | 3019.2637 |
2548 | LES_int_01 | 3019.3866 | Right, right. | 3020.0363 |
2549 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3020.1241 | At all. | 3020.5061 |
2550 | LES_int_01 | 3020.9336 | Um. | 3021.4279 |
2552 | | 3021.7963 | Do you think that, cause there's a lot of new people moving into the neighborhood. Do you think that it's important for them to know about the history of the Lower East Side? | 3030.2591 |
2554 | | 3030.7734 | From the time that you lived there, or even before [what.] | 3033.3240 |
2555 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3032.9650 | [I would] think | 3033.8449 |
2556 | | 3034.0454 | you sh- a requirement would be before you moved here, you should read a book that would explain the whole thing. | 3038.9974 |
2558 | | 3039.3611 | [And] | 3040.0094 |
2559 | LES_int_01 | 3039.8154 | [Yeah, because it's | 3041.0418 |
2560 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3040.1806 | [the importance of] what happened here [early on.] | 3042.9209 |
2561 | LES_int_01 | 3041.9557 | [it's such a fascinating | 3043.6157 |
2562 | | 3044.0874 | neighborhood. And it has such a long history. | 3046.1858 |
2564 | | 3046.4049 | And there's so many groups that have come and come here and [immigrated and lived here. All that kind of stuff.] | 3052.0253 |
2565 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3049.8524 | [Yeah. Exactly, exactly.] | 3051.2373 |
2567 | | 3051.3772 | [Exactly.] | 3051.9974 |
2568 | | 3052.2678 | And I think cause people, you just moving here, I'm just moving here I- just cause I'm so I can be close to where I work in Midtown. | 3057.6988 |
2569 | LES_int_01 | 3057.9366 | Right. | 3058.1184 |
2570 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3058.1184 | And that's the only reason you m- you live here. | 3060.4722 |
2571 | LES_int_01 | 3060.5934 | [Yeah.] | 3060.9504 |
2572 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3060.8639 | [And] maybe I got a good deal on an apartment, or [something] like that, and you know. | 3064.8499 |
2573 | LES_int_01 | 3063.4044 | [Right.] | 3063.7426 |
2574 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3065.1437 | I think | 3065.6100 |
2576 | | 3066.1089 | i- i- that | 3066.6301 |
2578 | | 3066.7793 | and that wouldn't just hold true for the Lower East Side. That should hold true for- | 3069.4920 |
2580 | | 3069.7811 | for any neighborhood. | 3070.5690 |
2582 | | 3070.7369 | You know. | 3071.0959 |
2584 | | 3071.7720 | You know. | 3072.1124 |
2585 | LES_int_01 | 3072.1124 | Learning a [little bit about the place where you live.] | 3074.3273 |
2586 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3072.6113 | [Yeah. Exactly.] | 3074.2574 |
2587 | | 3074.3599 | Exactly. You know. | 3075.3298 |
2589 | | 3075.5350 | And, but there's definitely a lot of history here on the Lower East Side, [obviously.] | 3078.2900 |
2590 | LES_int_01 | 3077.7258 | [There is.] And I- and a lot of it is a history of | 3080.7474 |
2591 | | 3080.8406 | people kind of coming here to start | 3082.9356 |
2593 | | 3083.1641 | over, [start fresh.] | 3084.7316 |
2594 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3083.6952 | [Right. Right. Exactly.] | 3084.9274 |
2595 | LES_int_01 | 3085.1420 | And it sounds like maybe your parents even felt- | 3087.0631 |
2596 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3087.8418 | And I think that was one of the reasons why they mo- | 3089.5424 |
2598 | | 3090.6941 | why they moved here. Because you know, they lived in the Harlem, which was not that far away. Still in Manhattan. | 3094.3838 |
2599 | LES_int_01 | 3094.5937 | Yeah. | 3094.9014 |
2600 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3095.2465 | Where you figured this would be a whole nother thing. A nicer place for the kids to grow [up, you know.] | 3099.2838 |
2601 | LES_int_01 | 3098.9061 | [Yeah.] | 3099.4372 |
2602 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3099.7361 | And that kind of thing that could, you know. | 3101.4220 |
2604 | | 3101.6179 | See another side of what's happening, [you know.] | 3103.6509 |
2605 | LES_int_01 | 3103.3618 | [Right.] | 3103.8747 |
2606 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3103.9214 | That's probably was one of, some of their | 3105.8891 |
2608 | | 3106.1083 | reasoning as to why we should | 3107.6901 |
2610 | | 3108.1056 | you know, | 3108.4460 |
2612 | | 3108.6365 | move here. | 3109.1662 |
2614 | | 3109.2847 | [And.] | 3109.4712 |
2615 | LES_int_01 | 3109.2847 | [Yeah.] | 3109.6297 |
2616 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3109.9235 | [I don't know.] | 3110.4131 |
2617 | LES_int_01 | 3109.9235 | [Do you think that] | 3110.5716 |
2618 | | 3110.7069 | this is a neighborhood where | 3111.7929 |
2620 | | 3112.2965 | people can still do that? | 3113.3690 |
2622 | | 3113.4949 | Come here to sort of start | 3114.5944 |
2624 | | 3115.1539 | over, start fresh, [build a new] life? | 3117.1410 |
2625 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3116.2824 | [I.] | 3116.6601 |
2626 | | 3117.7149 | I don't look at it like that now. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't- it doesn't | 3120.9183 |
2628 | | 3121.5431 | ha- you know doesn't look like it has that same effect. [You know, it doesn't] | 3124.7148 |
2629 | LES_int_01 | 3124.0293 | [Yeah.] | 3124.6534 |
2630 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3125.8432 | look like that's what you come here for. Is you come here, Lower East Side because it's close to Midtown and I work there. You know [what I'm saying, or.] | 3132.1268 |
2631 | LES_int_01 | 3131.2922 | [Yeah.] | 3131.9077 |
2632 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3132.4066 | [I mean,] you see businesses starting up, you see little things going on. | 3135.9083 |
2633 | LES_int_01 | 3132.4066 | [Yeah.] | 3132.7390 |
2634 | | 3136.0482 | Yeah. | 3136.4197 |
2635 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3136.4772 | Um. | 3137.0134 |
2637 | | 3137.8061 | But, it's a lot of housing things go- | 3139.3064 |
2639 | | 3139.5022 | built | 3139.7680 |
2641 | | 3140.1364 | you know, | 3140.4441 |
2643 | | 3140.6959 | that- that was down here. You don't see businesses down here. Obviously, it's just | 3143.8107 |
2645 | | 3143.9413 | [but people] reside here. | 3145.2131 |
2646 | LES_int_01 | 3143.9413 | [Yeah.] | 3144.2910 |
2647 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3145.8100 | And, | 3146.1271 |
2649 | | 3146.4488 | l- most of the housing being built here is not for the people that | 3149.8107 |
2651 | | 3150.1605 | kind of, you know, started living here. | 3152.0795 |
2653 | | 3152.2474 | way back then, [so.] | 3153.5110 |
2654 | LES_int_01 | 3153.0774 | [Right.] | 3153.5110 |
2655 | LES_se0_ag3_m_02 | 3154.1592 | Um. | 3154.6255 |
2657 | | 3154.9286 | It's not the same. | 3155.7571 |
2659 | | 3155.9716 | [You know, it's-] it's just not the same. | 3157.8647 |
2660 | LES_int_01 | 3155.9716 | [Right, right.] | 3156.6617 |