Line | Speaker | St Time | Content | En Time |
1 | LES_int_01 | 0.8188 | Okay. | 1.1980 |
3 | | 1.5712 | So, its, um, <ts> | 2.9454 |
5 | | 3.4634 | Thursday, December fourth, | 5.0747 |
7 | | 6.0098 | And I'm /RD-NAME-4/, and I'm talking to /RD-NAME-5/. | 9.0156 |
9 | | 9.8454 | And /RD-NAME-2/, uh, you said you, w- you had something you wanted to start | 12.5586 |
11 | | 12.9800 | off with by saying. | 13.9371 |
12 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 15.0087 | Many people have asked me | 16.5234 |
14 | | 16.7385 | through the years | 17.5595 |
16 | | 18.2190 | /RD-NAME-2/, | 18.6931 |
18 | | 19.3034 | why do you live on the Lower East Side? | 21.2351 |
20 | | 23.8166 | What is | 25.2726 |
22 | | 25.8390 | holding you here? | 26.7083 |
24 | | 27.3712 | Because originally, | 28.3634 |
26 | | 29.5093 | you came from Harlem, | 30.5263 |
28 | | 31.8434 | where you spent thirty-six years of your life. | 33.6346 |
29 | LES_int_01 | 34.0341 | <ts> You were born in Harlem? | 35.2063 |
30 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 35.2063 | I was born and raised in Harlem. | 36.7546 |
31 | LES_int_01 | 37.1146 | May I ask in what year? | 38.2023 |
32 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 38.6150 | No. | 38.9794 |
33 | LES_int_01 | 39.2237 | [<laugh>] | 40.3169 |
34 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 40.1018 | [But.] | 40.4881 |
35 | LES_int_01 | 41.0984 | [What] decade? | 42.1872 |
36 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 41.2125 | [This] | 41.6032 |
37 | | 42.5735 | But. | 43.0740 |
39 | | 43.5877 | This | 44.4086 |
41 | | 45.4096 | little piece that I'm about to give you, | 47.2081 |
43 | | 47.5374 | will give you an [indication] | 48.7623 |
44 | LES_int_01 | 48.4681 | [Hm.] | 48.7623 |
45 | | 48.9203 | Mkay. | 49.2013 |
46 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 49.3506 | of all of that. | 50.0443 |
47 | LES_int_01 | 50.2901 | Okay. | 50.6018 |
48 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 51.0935 | See, I tell- I answer people, I live on the Lower East Side because I realized it's a very special place. | 56.2374 |
50 | | 56.8608 | And what makes it so special is that is has lessons for its residents to learn. | 60.8589 |
52 | | 61.3286 | Providing they're paying attention | 62.7643 |
53 | LES_int_01 | 63.0496 | Mm-hm. | 63.4799 |
54 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 63.6291 | and able to absorb | 64.8020 |
56 | | 66.0884 | what the- | 66.7250 |
58 | | 66.8874 | this special neighborhood | 67.9982 |
60 | | 68.8060 | has to give them. | 69.5962 |
62 | | 70.8474 | And | 71.4386 |
64 | | 71.9611 | see, we are people of doers. We're always doing, doing, doing, and we never stop to think, how do we get from point A to point B? | 78.0806 |
66 | | 79.0245 | Well, now I'm'a take you on a journey. | 80.5122 |
67 | LES_int_01 | 80.7317 | Mkay. | 81.1883 |
68 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 81.6449 | And my journey is that | 82.9137 |
70 | | 83.8181 | many years ago, | 84.8673 |
72 | | 85.3591 | about twenty-four, | 86.3469 |
74 | | 87.8088 | I was an African American woman | 89.4248 |
76 | | 89.9341 | living | 90.4522 |
78 | | 90.9439 | in Harlem. | 91.5102 |
80 | | 92.4350 | A mother, a single parent, | 93.6599 |
82 | | 93.8136 | of two | 94.5029 |
84 | | 95.0956 | young men. | 95.7190 |
86 | | 97.0975 | Eight | 97.3126 |
88 | | 97.6375 | and | 97.8527 |
90 | | 98.1468 | ten. | 98.5228 |
92 | | 100.2658 | or maybe seven and six. I don't remember. | 102.2282 |
94 | | 102.3292 | Anyway. | 102.8297 |
95 | LES_int_01 | 103.0097 | Mm-hm. | 103.4268 |
96 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 103.8966 | Uh. | 104.2858 |
98 | | 104.4175 | One of them is neurologically disabled | 106.4238 |
100 | | 107.0912 | he doesn't speak, he's suffering from autism and retardation. | 110.3136 |
102 | | 110.8872 | And the other one was so called, normal. | 112.3404 |
104 | | 112.6785 | Pain in the ass. | 113.2799 |
106 | | 113.8243 | [Anyway.] | 114.4961 |
107 | LES_int_01 | 113.9648 | [<laugh>] | 115.0712 |
108 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 115.4707 | Anyway. | 115.9361 |
110 | | 116.0370 | Uh. | 116.4175 |
112 | | 117.5677 | And I thought my life was pretty good. | 119.2580 |
114 | | 119.6268 | I mean, I was in college, at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, | 121.4619 |
116 | | 122.4526 | I was ha- a- I had my boys in school, | 124.8365 |
118 | | 125.8199 | I had my grants all lined up, and everything was fine. I was doing well in school too. | 129.6468 |
119 | LES_int_01 | 129.7653 | Mm-hm. | 130.1209 |
120 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 131.1790 | Til one day, uh, | 132.5663 |
122 | | 133.6024 | I realized that | 134.7380 |
124 | | 135.2385 | some junkies had moved into my building | 137.1702 |
126 | | 137.3414 | in Harlem. | 137.8507 |
128 | | 138.9922 | And uh. | 139.5585 |
130 | | 139.7122 | They weren't your average junkies, they were very social. | 142.2614 |
132 | | 143.0736 | Next thing I knew, that they had robbed my apartment and took everything out of it. | 146.3488 |
134 | | 147.2472 | And they came in from the ceiling. | 148.6434 |
135 | LES_int_01 | 149.8024 | From the ceiling? | 150.5356 |
136 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 150.6278 | From the ceiling. | 151.4286 |
138 | | 151.5998 | And | 151.9423 |
140 | | 152.0608 | the cops came to my house, and said this was the fist burglary | 154.8480 |
142 | | 155.3310 | of this nature, where they could look up and see a hole. | 157.3286 |
144 | | 159.2368 | And at that time, I di- wasn't wise enough to know the hold the landlord accountable. | 163.2349 |
146 | | 164.0339 | And. | 164.7495 |
148 | | 166.6929 | T- keep the police involved | 168.6817 |
150 | | 169.3227 | and get what I could to stay in school. | 171.2588 |
152 | | 171.3642 | [Of course, I] had to drop out because I had to stay home | 173.8914 |
153 | LES_int_01 | 171.3766 | [Right.] | 171.7193 |
154 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 174.1724 | to make sure the hole in my ceiling got fixed. | 176.4554 |
156 | | 179.0134 | And then, | 179.6368 |
158 | | 179.9968 | to make matters worse, | 181.1339 |
160 | | 181.5817 | there was a fire. | 182.4905 |
162 | | 183.5178 | Because of the | 184.3724 |
164 | | 184.4602 | junkies had owed the man | 185.8519 |
166 | | 186.6114 | and she was um, | 187.5071 |
168 | | 188.6002 | receiving her product from- for sale | 190.5304 |
170 | | 192.0583 | some money | 192.6246 |
172 | | 192.9012 | and he told her, he was gonna kill her. | 194.3324 |
174 | | 195.4037 | So, what he did, he blocked her | 196.9563 |
176 | | 197.6939 | door | 198.1241 |
178 | | 198.8266 | and her fire escape, and set her apartment on fire. | 201.3115 |
179 | LES_int_01 | 201.6364 | Was she [inside?] | 202.6446 |
180 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 202.5041 | [While] she and her | 203.6148 |
181 | | 204.3656 | cousin | 204.8397 |
183 | | 205.7573 | and her children slept. | 207.0612 |
184 | LES_int_01 | 207.2851 | [Oh] God. | 208.2407 |
185 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 207.3817 | [Su.] | 207.5398 |
187 | | 208.0739 | [Supposedly.] | 208.9519 |
188 | | 209.7773 | And, unfortunately, I lived on the fourth floor, and she lived on the- on the second, | 213.2281 |
190 | | 213.5442 | and fire burns up. | 214.4953 |
192 | | 216.5368 | Not down. | 217.0724 |
194 | | 218.3500 | The only thing saved her, is that her cousin was on the toilet bowl and smelt the smoke. | 221.5719 |
196 | | 222.6153 | And then when he got everybody out, and they tried to get out, they found out they were blocked. | 226.1012 |
198 | | 227.5631 | It was a mess. | 228.2876 |
199 | LES_int_01 | 228.8013 | Were they killed? | 229.6530 |
200 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 229.8682 | No. | 230.2150 |
202 | | 230.7243 | But, uh, they barely got out with [their lives.] | 232.7218 |
203 | LES_int_01 | 232.3970 | [Oh] God. | 233.3936 |
204 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 233.9819 | Cause the firemen, you know | 235.0428 |
206 | | 235.2842 | everyone had to | 236.4652 |
208 | | 238.3267 | get there and move stuff before they could even get them out. | 241.0871 |
210 | | 242.5443 | And that took time, and you know, in a fire, every minute is- | 244.9765 |
212 | | 245.1960 | is | 245.5252 |
214 | | 245.6174 | precious. | 246.2189 |
215 | LES_int_01 | 246.4209 | Yeah. | 247.0048 |
216 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 247.2638 | But, it left me homeless | 248.7960 |
218 | | 249.2043 | with my two kids, and instead of going into a shelter | 252.3023 |
220 | | 253.0662 | a welfare shelter, | 254.2165 |
222 | | 254.5458 | at that time, | 255.1604 |
224 | | 255.2921 | wi- wi- which was offered to me, | 257.3057 |
226 | | 258.1092 | I couldn't see having my autistic, retarded son in one, or my other son in one. | 262.1028 |
228 | | 262.6208 | So, I decided to um, | 264.2628 |
230 | | 266.7802 | Ask my ex-mother-in-law, who loved me dearly, | 268.7559 |
232 | | 270.8852 | to take care of my kids while I hit the streets of New York where I- | 274.6329 |
234 | | 275.3442 | Where I stayed homeless for seven months. | 277.6271 |
235 | LES_int_01 | 277.9388 | Wow. | 278.5183 |
236 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 278.9295 | I slept on park benches, and abandoned buildings. | 281.4671 |
237 | LES_int_01 | 283.3461 | Wow. | 283.6447 |
238 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 284.9420 | Well, anyway, | 285.4337 |
240 | | 286.3864 | in nineteen eighty-four, I moved into this brand new building | 289.8620 |
242 | | 290.4810 | on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. | 292.3952 |
244 | | 294.1278 | /RD-ADDRESS-5/ | 295.3747 |
246 | | 296.8410 | And um. | 297.8288 |
248 | | 300.4351 | I thought it was gonna be a new beginning. | 301.8795 |
250 | | 303.4118 | New folks, | 304.5005 |
252 | | 304.9308 | new neighborhood, | 305.9478 |
254 | | 306.6283 | new everything. | 307.3659 |
255 | LES_int_01 | 307.7083 | Yeah. | 308.0464 |
256 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 308.3537 | And I didn't | 308.9288 |
258 | | 309.2713 | like | 309.6444 |
260 | | 310.4127 | I didn't like certain aspects of living here. | 312.6459 |
262 | | 313.1069 | But like I told you, in the beginning, I ha- this was a very special place, but I didn't know that then. | 317.3610 |
264 | | 317.7167 | Nor did I appreciate it. | 319.0673 |
265 | LES_int_01 | 319.2430 | [Yeah.] | 319.7873 |
266 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 319.5547 | [I] didn't, I wasn't used to living around different people of different cultures and different races. | 323.6201 |
267 | | 324.3034 | And all of them looking down at me. | 325.7215 |
268 | LES_int_01 | 327.0122 | Because in Harlem, | 328.0719 |
270 | | 328.2196 | it was primarily [African American.] | 329.9773 |
271 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 328.9632 | [/-Ly/ Black American.] Yeah. | 330.3856 |
272 | LES_int_01 | 330.8071 | <ts> And now you're living in a place [where there's] | 333.0051 |
273 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 332.2384 | [Where-] | 332.5220 |
274 | | 333.5188 | Everything. | 334.1685 |
275 | LES_int_01 | 334.2827 | everybody. | 335.0641 |
276 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 335.4066 | And that was a shock. | 336.7895 |
277 | LES_int_01 | 337.2329 | [Yeah.] | 337.6792 |
278 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 337.3647 | [And it] was difficult. | 338.4519 |
279 | | 338.6495 | I didn't like- | 339.2817 |
281 | | 339.4485 | I used to be here | 340.2914 |
283 | | 340.7085 | Monday through Friday and every weekend, I would go to Harlem. | 343.1056 |
285 | | 344.7592 | I did that for a while. | 345.9051 |
287 | | 346.6383 | Til one day that | 347.6700 |
289 | | 347.7666 | I noticed, that they were bringing out a um, | 350.3246 |
291 | | 350.9129 | one of our neighbors. | 351.9314 |
293 | | 352.0149 | The police was bringing him out in a stretcher. | 353.8720 |
295 | | 354.2627 | He was a paraplegic. | 355.4788 |
297 | | 356.1929 | And they brought out his heroin, | 357.7602 |
299 | | 358.3178 | his cocaine, | 359.2793 |
301 | | 359.8017 | his crack, | 360.6578 |
303 | | 361.2505 | and his guns. | 362.3246 |
305 | | 363.9622 | And I said, | 364.3924 |
307 | | 364.5768 | Oh my God. | 365.8763 |
309 | | 367.2198 | Here we go again. | 368.2105 |
310 | LES_int_01 | 368.6363 | Mm-hm. | 369.2422 |
311 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 369.2422 | And I said, no. | 370.4671 |
312 | | 371.1300 | They got him. | 371.7051 |
314 | | 373.0442 | So, I- I don't have to worry. | 374.4168 |
316 | | 376.3441 | Alright? | 376.7744 |
317 | LES_int_01 | 377.2705 | Yeah. | 377.7051 |
318 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 377.9334 | Well, they got him, lasted two months. | 379.7247 |
320 | | 380.2983 | And he was right back home. | 381.5100 |
321 | LES_int_01 | 382.2124 | He was paraplegic? | 383.2529 |
322 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 383.3188 | Yes, he was paralyzed from the waist down. | 385.2286 |
323 | LES_int_01 | 385.2286 | Waist down. Okay. | 386.2851 |
324 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 386.8119 | He was not quadra. Para. | 388.1334 |
326 | | 388.5856 | It's a difference. | 389.2529 |
328 | | 389.4944 | You know, he had [arms, one leg,] this, that, | 391.2681 |
329 | LES_int_01 | 390.0599 | [Mm-hm.] | 390.8614 |
330 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 392.0918 | yeah. Uh-huh. | 392.9259 |
332 | | 393.1586 | And um, | 393.8216 |
334 | | 394.4786 | <ts> | 394.5839 |
336 | | 395.2381 | I thought | 395.7474 |
338 | | 396.0635 | that the police had taken care of the problem. | 397.9293 |
340 | | 398.7064 | Two months later, the problem was back | 400.3967 |
342 | | 400.7200 | in the building, | 401.3830 |
344 | | 401.8088 | upstairs in his apartment. | 403.1084 |
346 | | 404.6537 | Angry, | 405.1674 |
348 | | 406.2606 | and he's determined to sell even more drugs than he did before. | 409.0746 |
350 | | 411.6413 | When I saw that happening, | 413.0199 |
352 | | 413.6214 | and the traffic in here, | 414.7936 |
354 | | 415.3687 | that I didn't noticed before, because like | 416.9696 |
356 | | 417.1145 | I didn't really wanna live here. | 418.4360 |
358 | | 418.8882 | And also, I was mostly in and out. | 420.4336 |
359 | LES_int_01 | 420.5302 | Yeah. | 420.9911 |
360 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 421.0877 | This time, I stayed | 422.4707 |
362 | | 422.6228 | home a lot more, | 423.7950 |
364 | | 424.3043 | and I paid attention. | 425.3140 |
366 | | 426.0428 | And since I knew what | 427.3468 |
368 | | 427.6497 | t- what to look for, because I had just been through that. | 429.4613 |
370 | | 432.0999 | Here it is. Same pattern again. | 433.7726 |
372 | | 434.3390 | We had traffic | 435.3999 |
374 | | 435.7950 | in here that you wouldn't believe. | 437.2570 |
375 | LES_int_01 | 437.6477 | [Mm-hm.] | 437.8409 |
376 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 437.7706 | [Twenty-four] | 438.3765 |
377 | | 438.5345 | a- almost- almost twenty-four hours a day. | 440.7346 |
379 | | 441.6566 | Almost seven days a week. | 443.2063 |
381 | | 443.6454 | And they used to come and pay off the guard. He told 'em | 445.8785 |
383 | | 446.3439 | each customer give the guard one or two dollars, and he'll let you up. | 449.4654 |
385 | | 450.3243 | And you add it up. If you had a hundred and seventy-four | 452.7302 |
387 | | 454.3941 | customers, | 455.1756 |
389 | | 455.5692 | in a- | 455.8107 |
391 | | 456.0082 | in a- | 456.3156 |
393 | | 456.3814 | in a three hour period, | 457.6590 |
394 | LES_int_01 | 457.7775 | Oh gosh. | 458.5458 |
395 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 458.5458 | you making good money and you a security guard. | 460.7366 |
396 | | 461.8386 | I | 462.1136 |
397 | LES_int_01 | 462.2936 | You're happy to help. | 463.2770 |
398 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 463.4000 | Yes. | 464.1551 |
400 | | 464.7214 | Uh. | 464.9849 |
402 | | 465.9200 | That's what what was going on here. And, we had, in the evenings, the prostitutes would bring their Johns over here. | 471.8238 |
404 | | 472.6536 | See. | 472.9345 |
406 | | 473.7907 | And they would give [th-] | 474.9438 |
407 | LES_int_01 | 474.8033 | [This] was in the eighties? | 475.9184 |
408 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 476.4848 | Eighty- | 477.3804 |
410 | | 477.5428 | five, eighty-six, | 479.3165 |
412 | | 479.4658 | eighty-seven. | 480.2385 |
414 | | 481.2116 | eighty-eight. | 481.7077 |
415 | LES_int_01 | 481.9711 | Yeah. | 482.2609 |
416 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 482.3399 | Um, I'll give them that. | 483.5033 |
417 | LES_int_01 | 483.5033 | Yeah. | 483.9160 |
418 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 484.0740 | This was in the [eighties.] | 485.2490 |
419 | LES_int_01 | 485.1919 | [Yeah.] | 485.4509 |
420 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 486.1402 | Okay, late | 486.8339 |
422 | | 486.9700 | middle to late eighties. | 488.2871 |
423 | LES_int_01 | 488.3310 | Mm-hm. | 488.7246 |
424 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 488.8124 | <ts> Okay? | 489.3041 |
425 | LES_int_01 | 489.5499 | Mm-hm. | 489.9319 |
426 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 490.7090 | And it's in the article that you dug up on the [internet.] | 492.9700 |
427 | LES_int_01 | 492.8690 | [Yeah.] | 493.1368 |
428 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 493.8744 | And | 494.3266 |
430 | | 495.4992 | they would commit sex acts in the comu- in the compactor room, and if you was to open the door, they would ask you what they fuck you looking at. | 501.3998 |
432 | | 502.3597 | There was a naked woman running on the sixth floor. | 504.3968 |
434 | | 505.0070 | This building was turned into chaos like you never seen chaos. | 508.5309 |
436 | | 508.9787 | There were people jumping out the window because they were ODing, | 511.6744 |
438 | | 512.1485 | The /more/ wagon used to be parked on the outs- on the- in the parking lot. | 515.7646 |
440 | | 516.3573 | And the- and the immigration truck was parked in the- in the front. | 518.8817 |
442 | | 519.1890 | So, everyday, somebody would be asking you, do you know this person? | 521.7959 |
444 | | 522.5730 | And you say, look man, they all look alike to me. | 524.3285 |
446 | | 525.3471 | I mean, | 525.7159 |
448 | | 526.1724 | I mean, it was a nonstop | 527.8480 |
450 | | 527.9665 | circus. They was death around, young people were dropping dead around and in this building, | 532.1812 |
452 | | 532.8470 | like crazy. | 533.6548 |
454 | | 534.3134 | And I mean people thirty and under. | 535.9992 |
456 | | 539.0490 | And | 539.6856 |
458 | | 539.8831 | the traffic, | 540.7831 |
460 | | 541.2573 | And the | 542.2846 |
462 | | 543.0968 | ODing. | 543.9441 |
464 | | 544.5090 | And the crack rows, | 546.3222 |
466 | | 546.3968 | and the needles. | 547.8675 |
468 | | 549.0090 | Ugh. | 549.6324 |
469 | LES_int_01 | 550.0802 | Yeah. | 550.4710 |
470 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 550.6582 | So I | 551.2553 |
472 | | 551.4880 | finally g- | 552.0500 |
474 | | 552.5153 | got mad. | 553.4066 |
476 | | 554.0958 | And uh | 554.7324 |
478 | | 554.8334 | went down to management and said, um | 556.6758 |
480 | | 556.8865 | well um, | 557.7366 |
482 | | 558.2810 | what are we gonna do about this? | 559.6898 |
484 | | 559.7765 | He said, | 560.2259 |
486 | | 560.7264 | you gonna call | 561.6440 |
488 | | 561.8547 | /RD-NAME-4/ from the assistance committee for New York City. | 564.4786 |
490 | | 566.3576 | So, you see, | 566.9239 |
492 | | 567.2357 | the first thing I had to learn | 568.9435 |
494 | | 570.3999 | first lesson this special place had for me is | 572.4370 |
496 | | 572.9287 | how do you live with people | 574.3643 |
498 | | 575.3609 | of | 575.7121 |
500 | | 576.4131 | different races, | 577.3570 |
502 | | 577.9277 | different creeds, | 578.7619 |
504 | | 578.9463 | different colors | 579.7409 |
506 | | 582.7731 | in | 583.1550 |
508 | | 583.2911 | one s- | 583.9233 |
510 | | 584.1736 | compact area | 585.1965 |
512 | | 585.7409 | on a day to day basis? | 586.9702 |
513 | LES_int_01 | 587.1282 | Yeah. | 587.4795 |
514 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 588.2550 | Mkay, that was the first lesson. | 589.4053 |
515 | LES_int_01 | 589.5589 | [Mm-hm.] | 589.9943 |
516 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 589.8575 | [The] second lesson this | 590.7267 |
517 | | 590.9287 | beautiful place had for me to learn is that | 592.8648 |
519 | | 593.6595 | there are people here, if you wish to | 595.5677 |
521 | | 596.1867 | change conditions in your apartment, | 598.0965 |
523 | | 598.2985 | in your neighborhood, | 599.1151 |
525 | | 599.2292 | that will help you. | 599.9448 |
527 | | 602.4326 | Now, who would expect | 603.2799 |
529 | | 603.5477 | a nun | 604.0570 |
531 | | 604.5575 | in a manager's office | 605.9141 |
533 | | 606.3340 | telling me to call the citizen's committee for New York City? | 608.8266 |
535 | | 610.0954 | and that- that- that they had someone there that could help me. | 612.4998 |
536 | LES_int_01 | 612.7895 | Mm-hm. | 613.2944 |
538 | | 613.5008 | Mm-hm. | 613.8651 |
539 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 613.9134 | Cause I was angry enough to do something about it, but I thought she was gonna do it. | 617.3554 |
541 | | 617.7506 | And she told me no. | 618.5832 |
543 | | 619.9398 | That's the lesson. | 620.6554 |
545 | | 620.9013 | That was the lesson right there, | 622.0164 |
547 | | 622.8110 | Any time you want | 623.9362 |
549 | | 624.0591 | to create change | 625.5869 |
551 | | 626.1313 | in your building, | 626.9742 |
552 | LES_int_01 | 627.1499 | Yeah. | 627.3694 |
553 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 627.3694 | in your neighborhood, | 628.4055 |
554 | | 629.1826 | The first person that has to change is the people that live there. | 632.6306 |
555 | LES_int_01 | 633.7996 | Mm-hm. | 634.2386 |
556 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 634.2386 | They are the primary stakeholders. | 636.0371 |
557 | | 636.3489 | They are the ones that are going to initiate the change and make sure the change stays change. | 641.1035 |
559 | | 641.6567 | And make sure the change continues, | 643.4672 |
561 | | 644.1389 | because they live there, they're the primary stakeholders. | 646.6677 |
563 | | 646.9399 | Everybody else that comes into play, that they will bring in, | 649.4703 |
565 | | 649.8913 | to help them, | 650.5235 |
567 | | 651.0504 | will just be actors. | 652.0953 |
568 | LES_int_01 | 652.4274 | Yeah. | 652.7786 |
569 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 653.5820 | Who will go home to someplace else. | 655.2065 |
571 | | 657.4323 | I didn't- | 658.0953 |
573 | | 658.5284 | I didn't know none of that- I didn't know any of this at the time. | 660.8201 |
574 | LES_int_01 | 660.8201 | Yeah. | 661.2416 |
575 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 661.6235 | Trust me. | 662.1240 |
577 | | 663.0460 | I mean, I was one scared | 664.7611 |
579 | | 664.8972 | fool. | 665.2264 |
581 | | 666.1264 | So, the | 666.9211 |
583 | | 667.9704 | workers at Pueblo Nuevo that was the agency that sponsored this building, said that they would help me, so we formed a little committee. | 673.1933 |
584 | LES_int_01 | 673.5928 | <ts> | 673.7421 |
586 | | 673.8913 | Is this um, a NYCHA building? | 675.5860 |
587 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 675.6738 | No. | 675.9767 |
589 | | 676.5724 | This is a privately owned | 677.9422 |
590 | LES_int_01 | 678.1837 | Mm-hm. | 678.4427 |
591 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 679.1495 | Section Eight [based project.] | 680.5720 |
592 | LES_int_01 | 680.2734 | [Section Eight.] | 680.8409 |
593 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 681.1471 | Which means | 681.9769 |
595 | | 682.6530 | according to the law, | 683.6161 |
596 | LES_int_01 | 683.8136 | Yeah. | 684.1078 |
597 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 684.1078 | HUD, | 684.5161 |
598 | | 685.0780 | the | 685.6224 |
600 | | 685.9265 | management | 686.7958 |
602 | | 687.6475 | o- owner | 688.2841 |
604 | | 689.2852 | and | 689.8560 |
606 | | 690.4185 | a financial institution got together | 692.3766 |
608 | | 692.8024 | create a contract | 693.8326 |
610 | | 694.0785 | and put this building up. | 694.9477 |
612 | | 695.1848 | Specifically for low and moderate income people. | 697.3975 |
613 | LES_int_01 | 697.3975 | Got it. | 697.8366 |
614 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 698.6828 | Mkay. | 699.1218 |
615 | LES_int_01 | 699.1833 | Yeah. | 699.4774 |
616 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 700.1959 | Now. | 700.4418 |
618 | | 701.2276 | So. | 701.5876 |
620 | | 702.4174 | I was- | 703.5808 |
622 | | 703.7257 | I was trained | 704.4150 |
624 | | 705.1262 | how to be an anti-drug organizer | 707.2013 |
626 | | 707.3242 | by the citizens committee. | 708.3735 |
628 | | 708.8784 | And | 709.3789 |
630 | | 710.1472 | I was so afraid I did not | 711.7233 |
632 | | 711.9588 | I would not | 712.4286 |
634 | | 712.6086 | have | 713.1925 |
636 | | 714.7115 | I would not be able to learn enough | 716.3755 |
638 | | 716.6477 | fast enough that either I would get killed, or I would be homeless again. | 719.5042 |
640 | | 720.5535 | So I learned as much as I could as fast as I could. | 722.9945 |
642 | | 723.6223 | And I was able to organize | 725.0564 |
644 | | 725.2232 | the police | 725.9652 |
646 | | 726.5754 | and some other resources to get this man put- | 729.0472 |
648 | | 729.4247 | arrested. | 730.0247 |
650 | | 731.1354 | and put in jail. | 731.9213 |
652 | | 733.0891 | And the other three that came behind him. | 734.8540 |
654 | | 735.7939 | See, when the group of people in here saw that I could do it safely, | 738.7134 |
656 | | 740.1124 | then they were willing to work with me to get the other two out. | 742.7290 |
657 | LES_int_01 | 742.7290 | Right. | 743.1856 |
658 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 743.7695 | So, we had a committee of thirty. | 745.0603 |
659 | LES_int_01 | 745.7085 | And how were you able to do it safely? | 747.4734 |
660 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 748.1539 | Well, number one | 749.0758 |
662 | | 749.6290 | at that time, we had community policing, | 751.3560 |
664 | | 752.4229 | and God sent me | 753.7707 |
666 | | 753.8409 | the most perfect police officer. | 755.4594 |
667 | LES_int_01 | 756.1882 | This guy? | 756.9632 |
668 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 757.6809 | [/RD-NAME-4/] | 758.9322 |
669 | LES_int_01 | 758.7478 | [/RD-NAME-1/] | 759.3931 |
670 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 759.9316 | /RD-NAME-1/ was a very unusual police officer. One, he wasn't racist. | 763.3517 |
672 | | 764.2473 | Two, he didn't believe in Rambo way. | 765.9755 |
673 | LES_int_01 | 766.5918 | [<laugh>] | 767.3382 |
674 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 767.2416 | [No,] that you have to always use | 769.7337 |
675 | | 769.8523 | force. | 770.2738 |
676 | LES_int_01 | 770.2738 | Force. | 770.7523 |
677 | LES_se0_ag4_f_01 | 771.3230 | Or be abusive | 772.4338 |
679 | | 772.7367 | to the community to get | 773.9967 |
681 | | 774.2850 | law and order. | 774.9962 |
683 | | 775.8303 | He developed | 776.4538 |
685 | | 777.2440 | through | 777.7489 |
687 | | 777.8323 | the community policing unit | 779.2460 |
689 | | 779.3250 | some strategies | 780.2674 |
691 | | 780.6318 | in which | 781.3254 |
693 | | 781.8084 | to starve the de- | 782.9235 |
695 | | 783.0860 | th- | 783.4240 |
697 | | 783.5382 | to starve | 784.4118 |
699 | | 784.7938 | the dealer | 785.5357 |
701 | | 786.4781 | from | 786.9215 |
703 | | 787.2772 | his profit. | 787.9357 |
705 | | 788.5459 | What he would do is three very simple steps. | 791.0572 |
707 | | 791.5094 | One, he would do a vertical, | 792.6937 |
709 | | 793.3303 | a lot of times a day. | 794.3444 |
711 | | 795.3483 | People don't like to buy where the cops are. | 797.1790 |
712 | LES_int_01 | 798.7332 | What's a- what's a vertical? | 799.9317 |
714 | | 800.0283 | I can pause it. Yeah. | 801.0585 |
716 | | 801.2078 | Go ahead. | 801.6736 |