Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1.2046	When you come home, like Saturday,	3.0794
3		3.5615	evening, with your shoe shine box,	5.3616
5		6.0605	all the guys knew that you had um,	7.9888
7		8.8126	been out working,	9.6058
9		10.0044	so they try to shake you down, take your money.	11.9510
10	LES_int_01	12.2439	Oh, right.	13.7756
11	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	13.8793	So, I sta- I noticed that um,	16.5093
13		17.1744	there was a music store	18.7976
15		19.2918	up on Utica Avenue	20.5062
17		21.7603	I called Sam Ash.	23.0845
19		24.3073	And uh,	24.9541
21		25.4240	I stopped in there one	26.6078
23		27.1387	one evening, I said I asked him if he wanted a shoe shine,	29.5133
25		29.8794	he said, yeah.	30.5751
27		31.1120	And I said, you know if you leave your- h- I n- he was open seven days	34.4664
29		34.7274	said if you leave your um	36.0225
31		37.7863	if I could leave my box here overnight	39.7817
33		40.1539	I said, I'll shine your shoes for free.	41.7404
35		41.9601	Know, i-	42.3324
37		42.6192	every week.	43.2159
39		44.3975	So, he said, okay.	45.5569
41		46.0511	So um, so I made a deal with Sam.	47.7841
42	LES_int_01	48.2967	Uh-huh.	48.5530
43	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	48.6873	Nice guy. Really n- nice guy.	50.6005
45		51.5281	But he paid me anyways and flipped me a quarter for the shoe shine anyway.	54.6637
47		55.1763	But I um,	55.8781
49		56.1344	used to leave my box there Saturday. Sunday,	57.9854
51		58.2722	I'd just come pick my box up then go	60.0052
53		60.1395	p- on East and Parkway and shine.	61.4538
54	LES_int_01	61.7650	That's really nice.	62.7048
55	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	62.8634	But then I-	63.6384
57		64.1327	Once I started working in the- in the- in the repair shop,	67.4615
59		68.3589	or the service shop,	69.4695
61		70.4093	uh,	71.0317
63		71.8128	you know I	72.3925
65		72.6182	gave up shining.	73.5397
67		74.1831	because y- you know, I just was trying to make m-	75.9955
69		76.2212	you know,	76.6850
71		77.0145	better myself as far as	78.2960
73		78.6377	making money was concerned, [just]	80.1937
74	LES_int_01	79.8686	[Mm-hm.]	80.2147
75	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	80.8181	cause the- oh, I had other things I used to do all the time, there was people	83.9180
77		84.2353	after school, I would go to their house, older people.	86.7584
79		87.4662	Uh, they couldn't go out, I'd go get them the newspaper or anything they wanted from the store.	92.5630
80	LES_int_01	92.6912	Mm.	93.0512
81	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	93.2892	Anything.	93.9091
83		94.3058	Uh.	94.5560
85		95.0868	Anyway I could make a dollar, I was trying to do it.	97.1231
87		97.4774	I.	97.5994
89		98.3622	At that time, I think we called it you know, being a hu- you were hustling, really.	102.6616
90	LES_int_01	103.0034	Mm.	103.3085
91	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	103.7600	Know.	104.0346
93		105.1664	Came very very natural.	106.5882
95		108.2373	[I see the kids] today with	109.7140
96	LES_int_01	108.2373	[Exactly.]	108.9329
97	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	110.2449	their gadgets and their skateboards and everything.	112.5271
99		112.8688	If we wanted a skateboard,	114.3592
101		114.9267	we used to make our scooters.	116.3973
103		117.0869	We used to	117.6300
105		117.8496	[get]	118.1031
106	LES_int_01	117.9168	[Mm-hm.]	118.3500
107	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	118.4354	two pieces of uh, two by fours,	120.5622
109		120.8734	and nail 'em together and get one old skate	123.1898
111		123.5376	or two old skates, whatever the best	125.4354
113		125.7548	wheels were on 'em and we nail 'em to the bottom	127.7014
115		127.9943	and you had yourself a-	129.3197
117		129.6920	a scooter.	130.2717
119		130.8026	[And go all] over with it.	132.0736
120	LES_int_01	130.8026	[Mm-hm.]	131.2891
121	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	133.7681	<ts>	133.9024
123		134.3783	Used to go to the movies	135.6781
125		136.5202	uh,	137.0145
127		137.1426	every Sunday.	138.1556
129		138.7170	used to shine in the morning,	140.1220
131		140.5980	and then in the s- afternoon, we'd come home,	142.7948
133		143.0328	go to movies. I lived in the movies, oh man.	145.5041
134	LES_int_01	145.9512	What- what were the movies at the time that you used to go see?	148.5387
135	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	148.5324	A lot of cowboy movies. I [think I've seen] every old cowboy movie ever made.	152.3971
136	LES_int_01	150.2126	[Oh yeah?]	150.7129
137	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	152.7022	Plus i-	153.0684
139		153.2148	l-	153.4589
141		153.5809	you know, whole lot of other stuff too, but	155.1100
143		155.5042	I used to love cowboy movies.	157.1237
144	LES_int_01	157.4044	John Wayne kind of	158.4722
146		158.9299	[stuff?]	159.3082
147	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	159.1923	[John] Wayne was never my favorite	161.2286
148	LES_int_01	161.2286	No? [<laugh> I re- cause] that's the only one I've seen.	163.2850
149	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	161.7595	[And I co-]	162.3636
150		163.3600	Oh. [Really?]	164.3119
151	LES_int_01	164.1716	[Yeah.] I don't know	165.0747
152	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	165.0747	There was Allen Rocky Lane	166.7952
153	LES_int_01	167.1553	No, never heard of him.	168.1377
154	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	168.6137	Um, so many	169.6633
156		170.1030	other guys, there was uh	171.8055
158		172.8490	uh, who was- there was so many.	174.5942
160		175.1838	That guy who played Red Rider, there uh	177.7956
162		178.6987	um,	179.5652
164		179.7971	um,	180.1179
166		180.3009	uh, Wild Bill Elliot.	181.9302
168		182.8089	Um.	183.3520
170		184.6683	I forgot the name of the guy who played Red Rider.	186.9322
172		187.7193	But there was Hoot Gibson, Hop Along Cassidy,	190.3955
173	LES_int_01	190.5208	[/That's all I recognize/.]	191.5671
174	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	191.1903	[Mm.]	191.5503
175		191.8234	I can	192.2505
177		192.4153	recognize him	193.0743
179		193.9103	right now.	194.4256
181		196.4698	You go to so many cowboy movies, it become	198.5690
183		199.1561	part of your culture.	200.2850
185		200.4070	[We come] out of the movie, walking home, hear a noise, or something like you get ready to draw for your [gun.]	204.7780
186	LES_int_01	200.4070	[Yeah.]	200.7365
188		204.6254	[<laugh>]	205.8276
189	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	205.5021	[I-]	205.7857
190		206.0717	You know, you think you	207.0358
192		207.1822	walking around carrying a gun all the time.	209.1369
193	LES_int_01	209.1369	Yeah.	209.5945
195		209.9363	<laugh>	210.4794
197		211.1933	That's funny.	211.8157
199		212.7066	Um, and how was your neighborhood growing up? Was spea- I mean, [speaking /about/ was it safe?]	216.5289
200	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	215.7844	[My neighborhood was] very unique. Uh. I wanted to, and I haven't done it yet.	220.0075
201		220.3614	I wanted to start writing a book about our old neighborhood.	222.7535
203		223.3393	[Because]	223.7162
204	LES_int_01	223.5149	[You] should.	224.2044
205	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	224.2044	the block that	225.1014
206		225.6506	that I lived on	226.6636
208		228.4048	it was	228.9479
210		229.1675	about	229.5459
212		230.3134	one th-	231.0212
214		231.1982	third apartment buildings	232.8458
216		233.3195	and two thirds brown stones.	235.4552
218		236.4255	and that block had over two hundred teenagers on it	239.8789
220		240.1718	from the time that I- that I l- I was living there from si-	242.9727
222		243.1985	nineteen forty-one	244.4977
224		244.7418	until nineteen	246.1209
226		247.0479	/?/ nineteen fifty-two, fifty-three.	249.9408
227	LES_int_01	249.9408	Mm-hm.	250.3680
228	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	251.3344	And	251.6273
230		252.0606	all of these kids. There was so many kids on this block.	254.9896
232		256.3116	And they had friends	257.4588
234		258.2948	and their friends used to come on the block	259.7716
236		260.2598	anytime, particularly in the warm weather in the summer time.	262.6884
238		263.0058	You come on that block, you think it was a block party going on, it was so many kids.	267.4542
240		267.6616	And uh.	268.3085
242		270.0293	Uh, I had so many friends.	271.1976
244		271.5699	A lot of 'em are gone now. A lot of 'em are passed away, [lot are retired,]	275.4940
245	LES_int_01	274.4555	[Mm-hm.]	274.9062
246	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	275.8663	went south	276.5248
248		277.2997	and the whole block has changed, but I mean	279.5515
250		280.8330	it was something.	281.6079
251	LES_int_01	282.7124	Wha- what kind of uh. What did you do on the block?	284.7929
252	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	286.1048	Uh.	286.7028
253	LES_int_01	286.5076	[Play] games?	287.3680
254	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	287.6487	Y- yeah.	288.4921
256		288.8643	Well, m- the- the- the guy	290.4418
258		290.5761	the block was had so many kids, they sort of split it in half. One half of the block was uh,	294.8354
260		295.3206	well, we call ourselves the Gay Nineties and the other half was the Winos cause they used to like to drink wine.	300.1059
261	LES_int_01	300.2829	<laugh>	301.0212
262	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	301.0212	But the guys used to play stick ball	302.8763
263	LES_int_01	303.3156	Uh-huh.	303.8038
264	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	304.0699	But uh, n- n-	305.4612
266		306.1507	I never liked stick ball or baseball.	308.5001
268		309.2903	Only thing I kind of liked was football but nobody wanted to play football cause I like to play rough tackle, they wanted to play tag.	315.2194
270		315.7808	I w- I like to play rough tackle. I learned to do that down south.	318.8065
272		319.1360	I used to- them guys down there were so tough.	320.9849
274		321.5777	They [made me- they made me] t- yeah.	323.3839
275	LES_int_01	321.8218	[They were into football?]	322.6100
276	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	324.9145	But uh, my- my favorite pastime was watching the girls turn	327.9961
278		328.3439	double dutch.	329.0542
279	LES_int_01	329.0275	[Yeah,]	329.6989
280	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	329.2838	[I sit there] and watch them do that all day long.	331.3585
281		331.5843	[<laugh>]	333.1098
282	LES_int_01	331.8650	[That's- they're really good at that.]	333.3722
283	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	333.6102	Yeah.	334.1701
284	LES_int_01	334.7132	That's hard to do.	335.6054
285	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	337.0747	Mm.	337.4958
287		340.1365	Yeah.	340.4416
288	LES_int_01	341.3386	And so then.	342.2732
290		342.3708	So in high school,	343.4913
292		343.5890	you did all these different jobs. And then what about after high school?	346.2678
293	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	346.5247	Yeah. I- I worked in that- that	348.5077
295		348.8433	mm	349.1911
297		349.3132	that shop there	350.2895
299		350.5763	for years until uh,	351.8876
301		352.2354	til I was about eighteen years [old.]	353.8403
302	LES_int_01	353.6023	[Mm.]	354.0111
303	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	354.2918	At least four years.	355.4390
304	LES_int_01	355.5183	[Oh wow.]	355.8969
305	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	355.7502	[And] I learned a lot about	357.0299
306		357.3411	repairing cars, fixing cars,	359.1777
308		359.8790	and um,	360.6296
310		361.8256	of course, driving cars.	363.2593
312		364.0465	And um.	364.8703
314		365.5720	It was good.	366.2372
316		367.6659	By the time, at eighteen, nineteen years old, I	369.8383
318		370.2410	figured it's time to move on.	371.6349
319	LES_int_01	371.9156	Mm.	372.1902
320	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	372.4770	And I	373.0811
322		373.5083	got a job	374.1429
324		374.5090	in a factory	375.4061
326		376.2115	and the day that	377.0501
328		377.1722	the- the- th- the day that I went in	379.1798
330		379.4178	to get uh, a factory job,	381.5474
332		382.3834	that's when they	383.2730
334		383.4377	up	383.6269
336		383.7978	the um	384.5544
338		385.2013	minimum wage from seventy-five cents an hour to a dollar an hour. So you work forty hours, you got forty dollars	390.5917
340		390.7687	and you come home with thirty-six.	392.1975
342		393.2592	And that's about the time when- that's when I just about turned twenty, so	396.7524
343	LES_int_01	397.2894	So this was the fifties?	398.5464
344	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	398.5830	Huh?	398.8820
345	LES_int_01	398.8820	This was in the fifties?	400.0659
346	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	400.5357	This was uh, yeah, this was in the- in the beginning [of the- the fifties. Yeah.]	405.1759
347	LES_int_01	404.0056	[Of the fifties.]	404.9989
348	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	405.6824	Around f- fifty-one, fifty-two. Yeah.	407.9376
349	LES_int_01	408.0291	Okay.	408.4318
351		410.4150	So that was a big pay increase, to go from seventy-five cents to a dollar.	413.7511
352	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	414.0074	It's a big pay increase if you were getting seventy-five cent, but it wa-	417.0284
354		417.3518	wasn't that big to me because I started out getting uh,	420.0855
356		420.4615	a dollar an hour.	421.3568
357	LES_int_01	421.3630	Right.	421.8191
358	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	423.2104	Muh.	423.6742
359	LES_int_01	423.8328	What did the factory make?	424.8885
360	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	426.0845	We made gold trimming for eyeglass frames.	428.6470
362		429.0558	[Like,] you have a frame [there.]	430.4514
363	LES_int_01	429.2565	[Ah.]	429.6531
365		430.3416	[Yeah.]	430.6101
366	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	431.2386	Right along the edges there, sometimes they have gold [trimmings.]	434.2272
367	LES_int_01	434.0746	[Oh] yeah, like [uh.]	435.3133
368	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	434.9167	[Yeah.]	435.3194
369		435.5086	[And] I was- [I was a-]	436.6985
370	LES_int_01	435.5086	[Oh.]	435.8503
372		436.3629	[Not a sunglass, but an eyeglass to-]	438.0288
373	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	438.0288	On [eyeglasses, yeah.]	439.1014
374	LES_int_01	438.3936	[Yeah, yeah.]	439.2540
375	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	439.5469	And uh, we had um,	440.9199
377		441.5035	what'd they call it? A p- a press?	442.9863
379		443.8834	Used to put the little gold thing in there,	445.7241
381		446.0231	ploom, boom	446.6638
383		446.8898	or	447.2008
385		447.4144	someone would foot press and they	448.7814
387		449.0194	stamp it, and would shape the piece of gold	451.1931
389		451.5409	and then the- n- had another	453.2619
391		453.3413	uh,	453.5487
393		453.6525	uh,	454.0369
395		454.2566	the girls over there, and they would weld it	455.8736
397		456.4943	the little pins on it. And they	457.8001
399		458.2700	you know, it a like a	459.3073
401		459.4782	assembly line type of [operation.]	461.2796
402	LES_int_01	460.8159	[Yeah.]	461.1454
403	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	462.1461	And uh,	462.5733
405		462.7075	yeah, I did that for a few years.	464.1047
407		464.5135	until	464.9651
409		465.4349	the Union tried to come in	466.9144
411		467.7870	and	468.3240
413		468.8976	they tried to bully me	470.2401
415		470.8259	and they wanted me to stay outside	472.6852
417		473.3087	and h- and hang out w- w- with some of the other guys who /sat and took-/	476.5280
419		476.8636	we gonna get the Union in, I said, well a- a- you know, I can't afford to man, cause	480.6042
421		480.8971	I just got married, I had a baby.	482.4976
422	LES_int_01	482.9614	[Mm.]	483.2732
423	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	483.1322	[And no way.]	483.8199
424		484.1610	I ain't staying outside	485.1069
426		485.5584	Well they, uh,	486.2602
428		486.9834	tried to pull one of them gorilla acts.	488.7958
430		488.9178	You know.	489.2534
432		490.9300	Bogart	491.5441
434		491.6539	/you know/, don't, you know,	492.9048
436		493.2099	Well you- you	494.0459
438		494.1863	everybody's gonna do this	495.1931
440		495.4311	wasn't everybody. There was maybe a half a dozen guys in the shop,	498.3026
442		498.5528	but the rest of 'em	499.3156
444		499.7794	were just scared to even come to work.	501.5368
446		502.0555	But I come to work, and I went outside, and they telling me I'm breaking the l-	504.7259
448		504.8968	breaking the l-	505.7755
450		505.8853	the line.	506.8800
452		507.1363	I ain't [breaking nothing] cause the Union ain't in there yet.	509.3360
453	LES_int_01	507.3353	[Oh.]	507.7857
454	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	510.2277	I said, and what are you gonna give me while we're out waiting for the Union to come in? Nothing. I said that's right, you're gonna give me absolutely nothing.	516.5385
456		516.8314	So,	517.1731
458		517.3989	you know	517.7589
460		518.2044	just leave me alone.	519.1536
462		520.0872	So, they went and got this great big guy, he sposta been an enforcer	523.3519
463	LES_int_01	523.9133	Oh.	524.3648
464	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	524.4136	and he was supposed to enforce it. He-	526.4560
466		526.6879	he threatened me when I came out.	527.9938
468		528.6406	Well, he didn't threaten me, one of the other guys threaten me, telling me	531.2078
470		531.3360	I-	531.6044
472		531.7326	what I better not do.	533.0568
474		533.5629	I said, you know what,	534.4416
476		535.2715	cause I had come to- to work that day,	537.2363
478		537.8771	I had my shotgun. Cause in them days, you could l- I-	540.2372
480		540.3898	I used to do a little hunting.	541.6346
482		541.8376	And you could legally	542.8262
484		542.9970	carry your gun in your car.	544.3761
485	LES_int_01	544.5287	Right.	544.7301
486	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	545.4562	And uh,	546.1606
488		546.7525	As long as i- it was broke open and wasn't loaded.	549.0713
490		549.7791	And uh,	550.4077
492		551.3630	I said y- and I come out	552.9007
494		553.2363	I was ready i- you know, if he- w- put his hand on me, do something, I was gonna do him in, but	557.4487
496		558.7154	he wasn't there, he disappeared.	560.1555
497	LES_int_01	560.9915	He was scared of you.	561.9434
498	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	562.0593	And of- couple of the other guys	563.6677
500		563.9789	the- the- the guys who were out there	565.8687
502		566.3108	and I said, you know what, this is not worth it. I said, I can get a job	569.0838
504		569.3584	doing anything for this kind of money.	571.2064
506		572.2010	I said- so,	573.0371
508		573.8364	I never went back. I told the- I told the boss, I said, you know, it ain't got nothing to do with you.	577.7598
510		577.9856	Except these guys here, they	579.3053
512		579.4944	it's not worth my effort to try to hurt somebody in order	581.9597
514		582.1916	make forty dollars an hour.	583.6276
516		584.0486	So,	584.4208
517	LES_int_01	584.6283	Yeah.	584.9395
518	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	584.9395	He said he understood.	585.9708
519		586.2149	So, I went about three or four blocks away on kings	588.6112
521		589.1482	on uh,	589.8011
523		590.0635	Queen's Boulevard.	591.1192
524	LES_int_01	591.1585	Mm.	591.4514
525	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	592.1227	And uh, right there, Fifty-eighth Street.	593.9777
527		594.1730	and got a job in a used car lot, cleaning cars cause I knew how to do that.	598.0722
528	LES_int_01	598.0722	Mm-hmm.	598.5360
529	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	598.7984	And instead of making forty dollars a	600.7083
531		601.2026	a- an hour, I was making sixty dollars a week.	603.7618
533		603.9876	Which was a big pay jump.	605.2507
534	LES_int_01	605.5877	That's great.	606.2345
535	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	606.2345	Yeah.	606.6982
536		607.9614	And you know, if you wanted to um,	609.7516
538		610.4690	wanted a little extra money, cause i- i- you know, you.	612.6429
540		612.9053	I paid my- my rent, which like eighteen, twenty dollars a week.	616.4155
542		617.2515	Course, I had a little, uh, what they call a,	619.4777
544		619.9170	a studio.	620.6920
545	LES_int_01	620.9910	Mm-hm.	621.3022
546	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	621.3022	Cause I only had one baby at that time (laughing).	623.6027
547	LES_int_01	623.6515	[<laugh>]	624.3655
548	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	624.1812	[And] if you wanted some more money to do something else with, you know, you had to figure another way to get it.	628.2664
549		628.5532	[So,]	628.7227
550	LES_int_01	628.5532	[Mm-hm.]	628.9620
551	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	629.5770	I did get a part time job at night working night in a gas station.	633.1221
553		635.1541	Also, if you need a little extra money, I went to the blood bank and I stick it in there, I pump 'em out [a pint of] blood	640.2290
554	LES_int_01	639.2954	[Ah]	639.8812
555		640.2290	<laugh>	641.0894
556	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	641.4495	And uh,	641.9559
558		642.1024	we you- they start out giving you five dollars and	644.3504
560		644.5823	after.	645.0948
561	LES_int_01	645.2535	That's pretty good.	645.9919
562	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	646.2054	After certain amount of uh	647.9845
564		648.3446	time, you know, after a couple months, they give you six and it went up to eight dollars. So	651.8045
566		652.5551	I was-	653.0111
568		653.1453	you was sposta come once a month, but I was every two weeks man, I would give them a pint of blood.	656.6541
569	LES_int_01	656.9287	Uh-huh.	657.2582
570	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	657.2582	And take the money and go buy a bag of reefer,	659.4733
571	LES_int_01	659.8493	<laugh>	661.1283
572	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	661.1283	roll it up,	661.8118
573		662.2206	sell half of it and get my money back.	664.0940
575		664.2709	[So I have extra] money for uh,	666.0711
576	LES_int_01	664.4540	[<laugh>]	665.0886
577	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	666.3762	you know,	666.7240
578	LES_int_01	667.0413	Yeah.	667.4798
579	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	667.8703	extra money for uh, for myself for the week.	670.2953
580	LES_int_01	670.5393	You were [uh,]	671.4608
581	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	670.9116	[And /??/.]	671.8025
582	LES_int_01	671.8722	you was hustling.	672.6568
583	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	672.9070	Mm.	673.2914
585		673.6362	I had to do it.	674.2952
586	LES_int_01	674.3562	Yeah.	674.7956
587	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	674.7956	You do what you gotta do.	675.9428
588	LES_int_01	676.5042	That's really [/inaudible/]	677.4657
589	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	676.9192	[It was]	677.4012
590		677.6758	very interesting.	678.6457
591	LES_int_01	678.7982	Yeah.	679.1583
593		680.1712	Um, and	680.8483
595		681.4100	and so.	682.2276
597		683.5309	Wow. So, you look really young.	685.2090
599		685.4043	I'm amazed.	686.2952
601		686.4721	So, you were born in the thirties?	687.6987
602	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	688.3739	Yeah thirty-two. I'm seventy-five.	689.9421
603	LES_int_01	690.1069	You look so much younger than [that. Would never have known that.]	692.6326
604	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	691.6394	[I know. I hear that.] Yeah.	693.0063
605	LES_int_01	693.2809	Re- you do? [Yeah.]	694.1962
606	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	693.9704	[I hear it, yeah.]	694.8125
607	LES_int_01	694.5501	[You don't] look that old at all.	695.6985
608	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	695.8388	Well.	696.1806
609	LES_int_01	696.6016	Um. Okay. So, then this is in the fifties.	698.9387
611		700.3453	So, what happened between then	701.7061
613		701.8548	and when you moved here?	702.7336
615		702.8678	A lot.	703.2743
616	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	704.3811	Oh. Yeah.	705.4239
617	LES_int_01	705.5948	Cause I was jus- I was about to be like, oh when'd you move to the block? But that was	708.4200
618	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	708.4200	Well, [in around] fifty four, I went into- I went into the simonizing business for myself.	712.9670
619	LES_int_01	708.8236	[A lot.]	709.2325
620	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	713.7664	Um.	714.1717
621	LES_int_01	714.3364	What [is that?]	714.8551
622	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	714.6659	[With a] partner.	715.4592
623		716.8586	Well I th- they call	717.8227
625		718.1095	today they call it de-	719.3299
627		719.4459	car detailing.	720.3917
628	LES_int_01	721.4885	Oh. Okay.	722.6357
629	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	722.8737	[Wa-]	723.1177
630	LES_int_01	722.8737	[Like] painting and.	724.3199
631	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	724.3199	No [painting.] All we did was clean the cars.	726.5777
632	LES_int_01	724.7775	[No.]	725.0634
633	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	726.8453	We [compounded the paint,]	728.3281
634	LES_int_01	727.4189	[Oh.]	728.0413
635	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	728.6638	waxed it,	729.3350
637		729.5913	shampooed the interiors.	731.0253
639		731.6904	If they had a vinyl top, we cleaned the vinyl top, and washed the motors.	735.2833
640	LES_int_01	735.2833	Got it.	735.7166
641	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	735.7166	That was it.	736.3390
642		736.7234	And I was doing it for uh, used car dealers,	739.2253
644		740.0262	um,	740.7951
646		741.3992	parking garages,	742.6989
648		743.6081	body shops.	744.6394
649	LES_int_01	744.7859	Mm-hm.	745.1581
650	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	745.1581	And then I got contracts with new car dealers, they come	747.6943
651		748.2435	they- in them days, th- they used to come	750.5684
653		751.7852	on ships	752.6883
655		753.0971	and they used to cover 'em with this stuff called cosmoline.	755.9466
657		756.3066	It's like-	756.7032
659		756.9656	it's like	757.3501
661		757.5453	a really, really heavy wax.	759.6696
663		759.9137	And you needed kerosene or gasoline to wash it off.	762.1959
665		762.6902	Now, they put 'em in a container,	764.2584
667		764.5181	and bring 'em. You don't have to put nothing on 'em.	766.4281
668	LES_int_01	766.6172	[Mm-h.m.]	767.0322
669	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	766.7393	[And they] clean up much easier. But them days, man.	768.9861
670		770.1539	<ts> They were hard to clean.	771.1974
672		771.4353	Uh. w-	772.0334
674		772.7229	I had a good little business going, I-	774.3827
676		774.8770	I had as many as a half a dozen guys working for me.	778.0544
678		778.6097	And uh, we were cleaning	780.1890
680		780.6893	we	781.0188
682		781.1653	easy- we cleani- w-	782.3918
684		782.5261	we could turn out a car	784.1309
686		785.7345	w- easy- I could turn out a car almost a hour by myself.	788.9207
688		789.3174	I'd do two cars in the morning,	790.7491
690		790.9932	and three in the [afternoon.]	792.3418
691	LES_int_01	792.1648	[Oh.]	792.5188
692	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	793.0252	By hand. This was before they even got a machine to do 'em with.	795.6359
694		796.2217	But by the time I got these guys, I wind up- I had two machines, I had a partner	800.1608
696		800.4293	we had two machines.	801.3324
698		801.5704	And we were turning out a s- we was turning out a car every half an hour.	804.4633
700		804.9271	Easy.	805.4275
702		805.7997	You do f-	806.4469
704		806.5507	twelve, fifteen, eighteen cars a day.	808.8756
705	LES_int_01	809.4614	And how much you charge?	810.5842
706	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	811.0235	<laugh>	811.3028
708		811.7177	I find out what they're getting today, I- I- k- I say I should have stayed in the [business.]	815.6231
709	LES_int_01	815.3546	[Oh. (laughing) <laugh>]	816.2699
710	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	817.5785	We were charging- for the used car dealers we were charging eight dollars.	821.2025
712		821.8179	For private people, we were charging fifteen.	823.9850
713	LES_int_01	824.1010	Okay.	824.5220
714	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	825.0651	Uh.	825.7908
716		826.7366	For the used car dealers, we were charging, let's see.	829.1836
718		830.3430	The heck would we get? I think we would charging five or six dollars to shampoo the interiors.	834.5577
720		835.3205	And uh, three dollars for a motor wash.	837.5089
722		837.9788	Fo- for private people, we got eight dollars to shampoo the in-	841.7011
724		842.2355	the interiors.	843.4193
726		843.6634	And same price for the motor wash, three dollars cause	846.3306
728		846.8859	y- we used a chemical	847.9293
730		848.1246	so- most of the time, we used kerosene and then, um,	850.8178
732		851.2564	hosed it down, but otherwise, you used chemical on it.	853.7895
734		854.7537	W- a guy came along and he was selling chemicals,	857.1464
736		858.0557	a degreasing chemical, and it worked pretty good, so we tried using that.	861.6315
738		861.8668	<ts>	861.9584
740		862.2574	Worked faster too.	863.4144
741	LES_int_01	863.7500	Hm.	864.1467
742	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	864.6043	Uh, that was the story.	865.9834
744		867.2221	But uh, we did pretty good.	868.6840
745	LES_int_01	868.7529	And what do they charge today?	869.9306
746	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	870.7666	I was just talking to my friend of mine over the weekend, she said they get like two hundred dollars to do a car.	875.6240
748		876.0546	I said you got to be [kidding me.]	877.7266
749	LES_int_01	877.1530	[Oh my] god.	878.2026
750	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	878.2636	And i- she's a- a good friend. I known her for twe-	880.9026
752		881.0674	thirty years.	881.9339
754		882.7638	And the- I used to do her car for her, and still do occasionally,	886.1031
756		886.3716	if she wants to get it done.	887.6348
758		888.0619	And uh.	888.7409
760		888.9117	she wants to give me like	889.9308
762		890.1812	forty do- I said, what are you crazy? I said	892.2071
764		893.0057	you know, I- I- I sometimes would take a twenty dollar bill off of her, and a- I figured that was just too much. Just to	898.0213
766		898.4153	make her feel good, but uh.	899.8188
768		900.3414	She said, you go somewhere, this is what they charge now.	902.6968
769	LES_int_01	902.7884	Yeah.	903.1667
770	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	903.2949	We charged a dollar to wash a car.	905.1370
772		905.3933	I don't know what they get now. I think	906.7602
774		906.9859	I went with her daughter to get her car washed, and I think it was five or six dollars just to wash her car.	911.7097
775	LES_int_01	911.7097	Yeah.	912.1003
776	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	913.0034	I said, [wow.]	913.8028
777	LES_int_01	913.6197	[It's] crazy.	914.2238
778	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	914.2238	But it's a different wold now.	915.4626
779		916.2376	Eh- I mean, when I- I went to school	918.3917
781		919.0160	e- when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-5/ and when I went high school, the subway was a nickel.	922.9641
782	LES_int_01	923.9655	[Mm-hm.]	924.6002
783	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	924.2585	[And] you gotta pay for transfer it if you wanna catch a trolley car when you got on.	928.0174
784	LES_int_01	928.0662	Yeah.	928.4324
785	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	929.0670	Now, they talking about going up to three dollars.	931.1054
787		932.1733	During the war, you know what a pack of cigarettes cost?	934.4738
788	LES_int_01	934.4738	What?	934.8277
789	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	935.1389	They cost twenty cents.	936.6683
791		936.9002	And [the soldiers] could get them for fifteen cents. They had-	939.7602
792	LES_int_01	937.2782	[<laugh>]	937.6077
793	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	939.9997	they had a- uh,	940.8572
795		941.0830	it was like like a soldier e- uh, uh,	942.5475
797		942.7062	soldier's special.	943.5910
799		943.8778	They was selling s- uh, Sanos,	945.9477
801		946.1491	was a- which was a brand name of cigarettes.	948.0868
803		948.3309	They were fifteen cents a pack.	949.7537
805		950.4371	And you could go at	951.1206
807		951.2792	any candy store and buy loosies. Loosies were a- uh, a penny a piece.	954.9771
809		956.0776	I seen somebody w- w- selling loosies today. I think they're about twenty-five or fifty cents now for one cigarette.	961.8658
811		962.0916	Said you must really have to have a	963.7209
813		963.9589	cigarette bad. You got a serious jones.	966.4364
814	LES_int_01	966.4364	Yeah.	966.8819
815	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	966.8819	You about to pay fifty cents for one cigarette?	969.2749
816		970.4648	Two dollars,	971.2459
818		971.5637	would buy you a carton of cigarettes.	973.2601
819	LES_int_01	975.1399	[It's crazy /??/.]	976.2875
820	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	975.4191	[Cigarettes today], I think are about six, seven dollars a pack [right?]	978.7676
821	LES_int_01	978.6456	[Yeah.]	979.1393
822		979.3473	[They're really expensive.]	980.4823
823	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	979.3901	[Something like that./]	980.0918
824		980.6105	I never smoked in my life, [so I don't] car- [Never bothered me.]	983.6787
825	LES_int_01	981.8908	[Yeah.]	982.2569
827		982.5254	[Well, I couldn't-] I couldn't afford to now, I mean [the way costs, it's crazy.]	986.5528
828	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	985.3385	[It's ridiculous.]	986.2660
829	LES_int_01	988.3038	That's so funny.	989.2313
831		991.7576	What other differences	992.8795
833		993.2395	from [today-] no, from	994.6884
834	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	993.5690	[Oh.]	993.9684
835	LES_int_01	995.3292	back then?	995.8722
836	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	996.3116	Um. Back then.	997.1537
838		997.3307	<laugh>	998.3253
840		999.4641	Mm.	999.8058
842		1001.1849	There a lot of differences in language.	1003.0522
844		1006.3396	I rm- I remember when uh,	1008.0909
846		1010.3731	what's his name?	1011.0688
848		1014.3149	The pre-	1014.8369
850		1014.9833	The president's father.	1016.1793
852		1016.7041	When uh,	1017.2836
854		1018.0463	George Bush Senior was running for office,	1020.1394
856		1020.5084	he- he had this guy	1021.9851
858		1022.3939	who was running with him. What was his name?	1024.1316
859	LES_int_01	1024.7048	Oh, um.	1026.2437
861		1027.2742	Dan Quayle.	1027.9393
862	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1028.3290	Dan Quayle.	1029.0247
864		1029.9644	I remember making such a- a- a	1031.8927
866		1032.3076	a big joke. All the comedians were laughing because	1035.1627
868		1035.6204	he was went to some school and the kid	1037.5914
870		1037.8415	spelled the	1038.4884
872		1038.7691	potato and he	1039.6345
874		1039.8664	s-	1040.0373
876		1040.2326	told the kid i- i- i-	1041.3370
878		1041.6238	it was wrong it was sposta	1042.7222
880		1043.0090	be a E on the end.	1044.1399
882		1044.5121	And they just thought this was so funny	1046.3245
884		1047.1605	And I said to myself, you know, I don't know what has happened	1050.0946
886		1050.3081	in the last ha- half a century.	1052.2972
888		1053.2430	but, when I went to school back in-	1055.0431
890		1055.2811	in Poughkeepsie,	1056.2686
892		1056.9277	I spelled potato with a E.	1058.3739
893	LES_int_01	1058.6668	Mm.	1059.2648
894	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1059.4779	And I started looking in the dictionaries, I couldn't find it.	1061.7301
896		1061.9803	And I was with /RD-NAME-2/, and we were cleaning out somebody's apartment.	1064.5784
898		1064.9994	And the people that moved and they had all these old books in there.	1067.8186
900		1068.0383	And I found a old dictionary.	1069.4651
902		1069.6787	I think	1070.2950
904		1070.5940	it was published	1072.1196
906		1072.8782	back in the twenties.	1073.9766
908		1074.6417	It was a big one.	1075.5998
910		1075.7523	A- and I took it with me, I looked in there.	1077.6971
912		1078.0643	potato was spelled with a E.	1079.3380
914		1079.5027	I said I wasn't wrong and neither was Dan [Quayle, but nobody]	1082.9871
915	LES_int_01	1081.5409	[<laugh>]	1082.6820
916	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1083.1213	would speak up and say you know, tha- maybe that's the way he learned how to spell.	1086.6877
918		1086.8952	But it's	1087.2735
920		1087.5603	language changes all the time.	1089.6297
921	LES_int_01	1089.6236	Yeah.	1089.9775
922	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1090.0934	All the time	1090.8928
924		1091.4908	It's that's why they call it a living thing.	1093.1628
926		1093.4801	That's why they use Latin as a dead language because it doesn't change.	1096.8379
927	LES_int_01	1097.0061	Mm-hm.	1097.4516
928	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1097.4516	Mm.	1097.8028
929	LES_int_01	1098.3884	Do you notice differences in	1100.0152
931		1100.2227	your language and say your kids for instance?	1102.3523
932	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1102.9076	Yeah. Particularly w-	1104.2130
934		1104.3305	i- i- i- since they got these computers, man that's a whole other language right [there.]	1108.3213
935	LES_int_01	1108.0345	[Yeah.]	1108.5715
936	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1108.9681	You know?	1109.2549
937	LES_int_01	1109.2549	It's true.	1109.9261
939		1110.4326	It's really true.	1111.1958
941		1111.6046	So, how many kids do you have?	1112.6630
942	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1113.3342	Uh, I've got two girls and two boys and one foster son.	1116.2327
943	LES_int_01	1116.6325	Wow.	1117.3770
944	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1117.3770	[Mm-hm.]	1117.8469
945	LES_int_01	1117.5937	[That's] a big family.	1118.3656
946	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1119.0368	<ts>	1119.2199
948		1119.5860	Yeah.	1119.9685
949	LES_int_01	1121.0791	Do they uh, do they all live in New York? Or are they uh,	1123.6115
951		1124.1179	around?	1124.5790
952	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1125.2442	No.	1125.9572
954		1126.8176	Um.	1127.4400
956		1128.2807	One son, my oldest son, he just moved to Oklahoma,	1131.1914
958		1131.5758	a few months ago.	1132.5061
960		1133.4488	<ts>	1133.5830
962		1133.8943	Met some girl on the internet.	1135.5052
964		1136.3839	She came here,	1137.4030
966		1137.9842	and said, no, I don't wanna stay in New York.	1140.0833
968		1141.0719	So, uh, they got married, she- they went back to Oklahoma.	1144.2255
969	LES_int_01	1144.3842	Wow.	1144.8235
970	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1145.3544	My oldest daughter, she lives in Seattle, I just spoke to her last night.	1148.6923
972		1149.9997	My youngest daughter lives out in Queens.	1152.2819
973	LES_int_01	1152.5992	Mm.	1153.0080
974	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1153.4962	And uh,	1154.1796
976		1155.0664	with her- she's married and got two boys.	1157.5134
978		1157.8551	My oldest daughter w-	1158.8131
980		1159.1548	was married, she's divorced, but she's got three boys.	1161.5577
982		1162.3038	Uh.	1162.5967
984		1162.7493	Eighteen	1163.7561
986		1164.9766	I think, thirteen,	1166.4041
988		1167.3072	and thirty-one.	1168.3629
989	LES_int_01	1170.3827	Grandkids.	1171.0266
990	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1171.0295	Yeah.	1171.5543
991	LES_int_01	1173.2639	That's cool.	1173.9108
992	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1174.7651	<ts>	1174.9359
994		1175.1129	Then I got, uh,	1176.0770
996		1176.6079	I got step-kids	1177.7429
998		1177.9626	in Poland. My wife, my	1179.3584
1000		1179.9381	last wife she was Polish.	1181.2989
1002		1181.9518	And uh,	1182.6474
1004		1183.9716	She's got uh	1184.8686
1006		1185.1127	she had da- she's got a daughter.	1186.9982
1008		1187.6817	And her daughter has uh,	1189.3170
1010		1191.0744	two daughters and a son.	1192.4240
1011	LES_int_01	1192.9976	Mm.	1193.3393
1012	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1193.5285	And one of the th-	1194.5352
1014		1194.8464	her son,	1195.4561
1016		1195.7856	and one of the daughters are married and they got kids, so I guess I got	1199.2706
1018		1199.6062	I got three (laughing)	1200.4061
1020		1201.0712	three [step-grandkid.]	1203.0605
1021	LES_int_01	1202.6944	[That's a] lot.	1203.3863
1022	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1203.3863	Yeah.	1203.9233
1023		1205.4306	Great grands.	1206.2910
1025		1206.5289	Great grands. That's what they are.	1207.7922
1026	LES_int_01	1207.8776	Oh, wow. Right.	1209.1346
1028		1211.4765	Wow.	1212.0745
1030		1212.6054	So, how many times were you married?	1214.0272
1031	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1214.7700	Three.	1215.2398
1032	LES_int_01	1215.4229	Three times?	1216.0697
1033	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1216.0697	Yeah.	1216.4053
1034		1218.7211	Buried two wives.	1219.8195
1035	LES_int_01	1220.2474	Oh.	1220.6394
1036	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1221.0170	From [cancer, they had cancer.]	1222.6187
1037	LES_int_01	1221.2945	[I'm sorry to hear that.]	1222.2990
1038		1222.7591	Both?	1223.2289
1039	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1223.6073	Yeah.	1224.1015
1041		1225.9970	My first wife /was/ still alive. She just got	1228.2243
1043		1228.5599	remarried about	1229.5118
1045		1229.7071	a few weeks ago.	1230.5736
1047		1231.7004	She's getting ready to sell her house and move down south somewhere.	1234.3469
1049		1234.4567	[<laugh>]	1234.9998
1050	LES_int_01	1234.5788	[Mm.]	1234.9998
1051		1236.0433	When did you	1236.7694
1053		1236.9708	two get married? Was that	1238.1737
1054	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1239.3270	[in Fifty-two.]	1240.2850
1055	LES_int_01	1239.3270	[you mentioned your first kid. Yeah.]	1241.0173
1056	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1240.5352	[Yeah.]	1241.0173
1057		1241.2858	Yeah. Fifty-two.	1242.1645
1058	LES_int_01	1242.6771	That's a while back.	1243.5863
1059	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1243.9302	Yeah.	1244.4157
1060	LES_int_01	1248.0511	Um, and so then, you moved from Brooklyn here.	1250.4780
1061	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1252.2781	[Uh. No. I moved] up to the Bronx first. I had a [business] up there, I had a used car business up there.	1257.6133
1062	LES_int_01	1252.2781	[/inaudible/]	1253.5840
1064		1255.2091	[Oh.]	1255.4593
1065		1257.6683	Hm.	1257.9917
1066	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1258.0283	For	1258.2480
1068		1258.4493	few years, I had a apartment up there.	1260.2016
1070		1261.2430	And uh,	1262.0668
1072		1262.7929	and then from the Bronx,	1264.1248
1074		1266.5779	I got an apartment in the City, but then I started working in Brooklyn.	1269.6223
1076		1270.2945	In a trucking company.	1271.3822
1078		1271.6690	Cause tha- actually, I've been self employed all that time.	1274.0666
1080		1274.8354	And uh,	1275.5311
1082		1276.2467	only	1276.6921
1084		1276.9850	time I wasn't self employed, was when I started working for this trucking company.	1280.4796
1086		1280.6931	I knew the guy. He was a friend of mine, know him for many years,	1283.6333
1088		1283.9506	when I was in the car business.	1285.3749
1089	LES_int_01	1285.6922	Mm-hm.	1286.0522
1090	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1286.0888	So, um,	1286.7417
1092		1287.7242	I went to work for him. I wasn't there for long. About three and a half years.	1291.2554
1094		1292.0365	And then, when I left him,	1293.4827
1096		1293.6596	I bought myself a van and	1295.3049
1098		1295.6772	I started making deliveries here in the City.	1297.8556
1100		1298.2706	And that's when I started looking for an apartment here inn the city, so I had an apartment in- in the City.	1302.1918
1102		1304.0629	Wound up with two apartments in the City.	1305.8264
1104		1306.4305	One ap-	1306.9004
1106		1307.0469	On a Hundred and s-	1308.0835
1108		1308.3825	Seventy-eighth Street	1309.4878
1110		1309.9325	right off Riverside Drive,	1311.3848
1112		1311.6505	a little street called Pinehurst	1313.2724
1113	LES_int_01	1313.2724	Mm.	1313.7789
1114	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1314.0840	Avenue.	1314.7430
1116		1315.5130	My nephew's staying up there now. It's a huge apartment.	1318.1857
1117	LES_int_01	1318.1857	Hm.	1318.6556
1118	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1320.8096	You know, four bedrooms	1322.1888
1120		1322.3188	two baths,	1323.1424
1121	LES_int_01	1323.0999	Woah.	1323.6491
1122	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1324.0030	big living room.	1325.0465
1124		1326.3218	Big dining room.	1327.3701
1125	LES_int_01	1327.7281	Wow- a dining room? [Wow.]	1329.6521
1126	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1329.0384	[Yeah.]	1329.5731
1127		1330.6378	It's a big [place.]	1331.7372
1128	LES_int_01	1331.6070	[Yeah.] I haven't seen that down here.	1333.2854
1129	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1333.3877	No. No.	1334.4245
1131		1337.7148	It originally belonged to some college professor.	1340.2487
1133		1341.5276	And	1341.9321
1135		1342.2669	he broke up with his wife, so he-	1343.8105
1137		1344.4986	he got another apartment right up the street from it,	1346.9524
1139		1347.3150	about three or four blocks up,	1348.6880
1141		1350.7699	on the other side of the George Washington Bridge, but on the same street.	1353.9182
1142	LES_int_01	1355.6152	Mm.	1355.9483
1143	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1355.9483	And he l-	1356.7480
1144		1357.1944	leased	1357.7337
1146		1357.8314	out rooms in that apartment	1359.9666
1148		1361.1336	to uh, some of his students	1363.1526
1150		1363.3990	that went to school there.	1364.5846
1151	LES_int_01	1364.7474	Mm-hm.	1365.1436
1152	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1365.6215	So, when I got it,	1366.6955
1154		1366.8406	I ha- it was a ad in the paper, one of the students was moving out, she wanted to rent the room out.	1370.9586
1156		1371.4003	So, I went up there, and I checked it out and I said, alright.	1373.6568
1158		1374.0799	The guy was paying	1375.0284
1160		1375.9708	paying two hundred sixty-five dollars	1377.7190
1162		1378.0305	a month for that apartment.	1379.4289
1164		1379.5916	And [rent was]	1380.3774
1165	LES_int_01	1380.1774	[For] the whole [apartment?]	1381.2891
1166	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1381.1120	[The] whole apartment.	1382.0697
1167		1382.3441	And the students, they were paying like	1383.9077
1169		1384.0053	uh, fifty dollars a month.	1385.8093
1171		1387.0274	And u- this was	1387.9141
1173		1387.9978	this was in the seveties.	1389.7645
1175		1390.6615	And I said, okay I'll take it, and this	1392.7362
1177		1393.4319	the student, the girl that moved out was okay.	1395.7512
1179		1396.2882	Put he le- he left two other kids in there.	1398.9549
1181		1399.2356	One was a girl, one was a guy, and they were such slobs.	1402.1991
1182	LES_int_01	1402.4188	[Oh.]	1403.2103
1183	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1403.0473	[And] I said to that man, they- they gotta go.	1405.3775
1184	LES_int_01	1405.8900	[<laugh>]	1406.2745
1185	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1405.9511	[When] I finally got rid of them, cause I s- I	1408.3239
1186		1408.4459	two sixty-five, I could handle that by myself.	1410.4661
1187	LES_int_01	1410.6370	Yeah.	1411.0153
1188	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1411.4608	Which I did do.	1412.4249
1190		1412.7605	So, when I got them out.	1413.9651
1192		1414.1725	But I mean, this one girl man, she had cats,	1416.3998
1194		1416.9917	and h- and she used to uh walk	1419.5372
1196		1419.7019	no, she used to empty the cat l- the cat litter into the toilet.	1423.2907
1198		1423.7910	And she had a little dog, and she used to walk the dog in the hallway.	1426.6626
1200		1426.8273	There was a rug in there.	1427.9135
1202		1428.3182	A- And the place stunk like hell.	1430.0939
1204		1430.3746	It was a beautiful place.	1431.5645
1206		1431.7598	I said, you know what? Y- Y'all gotta go.	1433.6877
1208		1434.0782	And the guy, he wa- oh, he was just as bad.	1436.5374
1210		1438.1469	But he was	1438.7815
1212		1438.9951	he kept all his nastiness to himself in his little	1441.6739
1214		1442.3879	<laugh> his little [bedroom.]	1443.7561
1215	LES_int_01	1443.5425	[At] least.	1444.6958
1216	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1444.6958	I got him out of there	1446.0627
1217		1446.4799	and uh,	1447.2061
1219		1449.0123	I cleaned it up t- to some degree.	1450.6166
1221		1450.9339	I did rent out one place, then my nephew wanted to	1453.0635
1223		1453.6249	who- who uh	1455.0358
1225		1455.2433	who was living in Springfield Mass at the time, he wanted	1457.5732
1227		1457.8417	a place in the city. He loved the city.	1459.6784
1229		1460.1544	So, I let him ha-	1461.1612
1231		1461.4602	let him come down, he moved in.	1463.0163
1233		1463.8922	And that's when I met my wife. And I started hanging out	1466.4092
1235		1466.8058	with her and we got married.	1468.4695
1237		1469.1591	And even though, you know,	1470.2858
1239		1470.4445	I still had the place up there, I said	1472.1958
1241		1472.9342	I d- I wanted to get rid of it.	1474.2095
1243		1475.0716	I said, okay.	1476.0967
1245		1478.5164	So, my nephew still got it. He's doing okay up there.	1481.0121
1247		1481.1464	Mm.	1481.2745
1249		1481.4698	And rent has changed a lot, he pays over a G note now.	1484.4873
1250	LES_int_01	1485.5308	That's still a pretty [good deal] though, for four [bedrooms.]	1488.4093
1251	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1486.3285	[Yeah.]	1486.8106
1253		1487.6954	[I know,] it is.	1488.9036
1254		1489.8268	It is.	1490.3394
1255	LES_int_01	1490.6628	Wow.	1491.0778
1256	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1491.3829	And they ain't little bedrooms either. They're big.	1493.2318
1257	LES_int_01	1493.3234	Oh, I mean,	1494.3912
1259		1495.0869	that sounds pretty /nice/.	1496.2341
1260	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1495.8680	[It had-]	1496.3101
1261		1496.4382	see, there's one bedroom right off the kitchen, it's a little small bedroom with this a-	1500.1058
1263		1500.2093	it has its own bath.	1501.3233
1265		1501.5735	Which was the maid's room, so you know how big this place was.	1503.9777
1267		1505.0944	<laugh>	1505.7779
1269		1506.5815	Yeah.	1506.8989
1270	LES_int_01	1507.2345	Yeah, I got it. <laugh>	1508.5586
1272		1509.5655	That's pretty cool.	1510.3659
1274		1510.7991	But you wanted to stay down here?	1511.9786
1275	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1513.1197	Huh?	1513.4492
1276	LES_int_01	1513.4492	You wanted to stay down here?	1514.3464
1277	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1514.3464	Oh, yeah. Yeah.	1515.3228
1278		1518.0591	I wa-	1518.4496
1280		1518.7974	fact, it was Eighty-one when I come down here.	1521.0301
1282		1522.5434	Uh	1522.9157
1284		1523.0438	Avenue	1523.7394
1286		1523.9774	B was the borderline	1525.6094
1287	LES_int_01	1526.4454	[I heard that.]	1527.1961
1288	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1526.5431	[Mm.]	1527.0434
1289		1527.3669	Nobody went past Avenue B.	1529.1107
1291		1529.3609	In fact,	1529.9406
1293		1530.3128	I'd never even park my vehicle down there, cause every time I did, somebody would break into it.	1534.4054
1295		1535.2475	Uh, ha- halfway down the block, which was right where-	1538.1124
1297		1538.8620	where uh, s-	1539.6954
1299		1539.9725	I lived.	1540.4363
1300	LES_int_01	1540.8635	Mm-hm.	1541.2540
1301	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1541.2540	You know, that was it.	1542.1205
1302		1543.4688	But now, Avenue B,	1544.9455
1304		1545.3178	and Avenue A ain't that much difference you know /on the/ Avenue	1548.3537
1306		1548.6405	C	1549.2630
1308		1549.5073	I mean, this	1550.3250
1310		1550.6423	the East Village is	1551.6675
1312		1551.8017	not only spread all the way down, it's spread	1554.1510
1313	LES_int_01	1554.5469	[Towards the /??/.]	1555.4464
1314	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1555.1335	[south] too.	1556.2495
1315	LES_int_01	1556.4692	[yeah.]	1557.0122
1316	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1556.8819	[Spread south all the way down to Delancey Street	1559.2212
1317		1559.3738	and past Delancey	1560.5515
1319		1561.0993	and still going.	1562.0269
1320	LES_int_01	1562.4296	Yeah, it's true.	1563.2595
1322		1564.3374	Um, so in the eighties, what was the neighborhood like? I mean you said Avenue B at fourth.	1569.4259
1323	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1570.1277	[Um.]	1570.7806
1324	LES_int_01	1570.3534	[Was it ] just crime?	1571.4884
1325	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1572.2283	Yeah.	1573.0216
1327		1573.3816	And uh, I mean they	1574.7851
1329		1575.0292	Tompkins Square Park, they didn't call it a needle park for nothing. I mean, you just walked through the park you see	1579.2479
1331		1579.6323	people in there shooting up in the middle of the day.	1581.7895
1333		1582.0641	It was, it was kind of outrageous, you know.	1584.1574
1334	LES_int_01	1584.1574	Mm.	1584.5113
1335	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1584.8164	And uh.	1585.5853
1337		1587.4576	A lot of changes came place-	1589.0625
1339		1589.3798	took place when Giuliani came into office.	1591.5636
1340	LES_int_01	1591.7711	Yeah. Right.	1592.5766
1341	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1593.0225	Cause he cracked down of a lot of stuff, cause people used to do things,	1596.1286
1343		1596.5801	things used to happen.	1597.6175
1345		1598.6401	Uh, I had a- I had a bar.	1600.0436
1347		1600.4219	After I uh- I had the delivery business.	1602.7253
1349		1603.3111	Um, after my wife passed away, she passed away in Eighty-seven, so.	1606.3817
1351		1606.6930	I went into the	1607.6510
1353		1607.9439	some guy, h- he'd been asking me to come	1609.8917
1355		1610.2029	he wanted a partner in the bar, so I said okay.	1612.7170
1357		1613.7137	So, I had to work there for about a year or two.	1616.0325
1359		1616.1728	And um, you know.	1617.1100
1361		1617.8050	Like bought into it.	1618.8369
1362	LES_int_01	1619.2763	Hm.	1619.6546
1363	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1619.7827	And the bar uh, over in Long Island City.	1622.0746
1365		1623.9418	That was cool.	1624.8143
1367		1626.4069	But, uh, after Giuliani came into office,	1628.6565
1369		1628.9128	was a totally different ball game.	1630.3007
1371		1630.5509	Used to see things happen all the time. P- P- people used [to see pe-]	1633.8406
1372	LES_int_01	1633.0638	[Like what?]	1633.6435
1373	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1634.6954	Uh, excu-	1635.2441
1375		1635.4611	Used to see people get killed.	1636.7608
1377		1637.1391	[These guys standing-]	1638.0279
1378	LES_int_01	1637.3688	[You saw someone] get killed?	1638.5282
1379	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1638.7296	Oh yeah!	1639.6327
1381		1640.4681	I'd been sit- be behind the bar, see a guy cross the street, /??/. Bam! Bam! Bam! He shot the guy, walked away.	1646.1505
1383		1646.5655	The guy died.	1647.5342
1385		1647.6502	He /wasn't-/ everybody knew who it was, he wound up going to jail for it, I don't know, maybe he's out now.	1651.9374
1387		1652.1571	But they just killed each other all the time, and it never hit the papers.	1655.5682
1388	LES_int_01	1656.4888	Wow.	1657.1601
1389	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1657.3298	The cops picked up	1658.1597
1391		1658.3366	there was a guy used to clean the bar	1659.9049
1393		1660.1440	when we used to close up.	1661.2869
1395		1661.7660	Used to call him Froggy.	1663.1323
1397		1663.3337	Really nice guy.	1664.5130
1399		1665.1477	But, he had a habit, you know, he was smo- he smoked crack.	1667.7838
1401		1668.0767	But, he wasn't a thief.	1669.1653
1403		1669.5985	And he- he wanted to make a honest dollar and he would uh,	1672.5228
1405		1673.4015	you know, he'd do odd jobs for you.	1675.0857
1407		1675.9759	But, they called him Froggy cause he had these great big eyes, you know, y- bubbled out.	1680.2426
1409		1680.5782	And you know, he's kind of a homely looking dude.	1682.4124
1411		1682.6381	And people used to make fun of him all the time, you know.	1684.9326
1413		1685.6465	And, in fact, one guy	1686.7693
1415		1687.1476	uh,	1687.5636
1417		1688.4179	one of the numbers guys	1689.7848
1419		1690.2120	used to make fun of him all the time.	1691.6338
1421		1691.8290	and Froggy told me say, you keep making fun of me,	1694.2326
1423		1694.5438	he says one morning, you gonna wake up one morning and look just like me.	1697.1982
1425		1697.6132	And the guy said he never made fun of him [again. (laughing) <laugh>] Said scared the fool out of him.	1702.5305
1426	LES_int_01	1700.0469	[<laugh>]	1701.2429
1427		1703.0131	<laugh>	1703.5139
1428	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1703.7228	Well, anyway, the cops w- you know, they	1705.6328
1430		1706.0477	the cops picked-	1706.7131
1432		1707.2440	picked Froggy up one day.	1708.4583
1434		1708.6292	In front of everybody, picked him up	1710.2157
1436		1710.7161	they s- told him, they sm- suspect of him something searched him, everything.	1714.1919
1437	LES_int_01	1714.1919	Mm.	1714.8753
1438	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1714.6984	They suspected him of having dope, or something.	1717.4982
1439	LES_int_01	1717.7728	Mm-hm.	1718.1389
1440	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1718.1389	And then	1718.5600
1441		1720.2142	they thought they wo- took him and arrested him.	1722.3988
1443		1723.0321	But, they would i- they send these people down there to get him	1725.8503
1445		1726.5154	They said no, he was never arrested.	1728.2421
1447		1729.0110	Couple days later, his body start floating in the East River.	1731.7996
1449		1732.6063	Now, stuff like this used to go on all the time, but was never	1735.5109
1451		1735.7245	i- anything investigated about it.	1737.5032
1452	LES_int_01	1737.7297	What-	1738.0592
1454		1738.2667	What do you think happened?	1739.7276
1456		1740.2743	Was it really the police? You think the police [did it?]	1742.0928
1457	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1741.9158	[Who] knows. It's	1742.9240
1458		1743.1924	I mean, the k	1743.6745
1460		1744.1200	m k- they the one that picked him up.	1745.8225
1462		1746.8289	It was a cop	1747.6577
1464		1749.0734	they used- they called him Ram-	1750.7715
1466		1751.0216	Uh, a robocop.	1752.3031
1468		1753.8347	And he- he- they had a- of course, they had a	1755.8547
1470		1756.0988	precinct right in the projects there.	1757.8196
1472		1758.6560	And [uh.]	1759.7178
1473	LES_int_01	1759.0222	[Mm.]	1759.7178
1474	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1760.1999	W- Of- one of my customers of- in fact, he was a friend of mine, he	1764.1165
1476		1764.7573	used to be in there all the time.	1766.3840
1478		1767.2505	And uh, one day, they said that	1769.1482
1480		1769.4045	he was coming out and Robocop called him over	1772.0159
1482		1772.9007	for something, they went over there, was talking to him,	1775.0049
1484		1775.4137	and	1775.9690
1486		1776.2924	pulled away from him, Robocop put a chokehold on him and killed him.	1779.4706
1488		1780.1968	And	1780.5751
1490		1780.7826	that upset a lot of people in the projects cause this guy didn't bother nobody.	1784.5579
1492		1784.8508	He was a good guy.	1785.8698
1494		1786.3397	Did he sell drugs and stuff? Yeah, he did.	1788.3656
1495	LES_int_01	1788.5048	[Yeah.]	1788.9197
1496	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1788.7550	[But,] you know, that's all he did.	1790.1768
1497		1790.4697	Tha- That ain't no reason to kill nobody.	1792.1966
1499		1792.4468	And this just went on all the time.	1794.0935
1500	LES_int_01	1794.8379	Wow.	1795.4848
1501	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1795.5458	But, after Giuliani came in, man, a lot of stuff changed.	1798.6221
1503		1798.9882	Every precinct had to be accountable	1800.8033
1505		1801.2488	for what the heck they were doing.	1802.5668
1506	LES_int_01	1802.6889	Mm.	1803.2137
1507	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1804.0252	I mean, Giuliani, he's no angel, cause he did a lot of d-	1806.5577
1509		1806.9238	really weird dumb things.	1808.4250
1511		1809.6935	A lot of weird dumb [things.]	1811.3960
1512	LES_int_01	1811.1519	[Yeah.]	1811.6950
1513		1812.4090	What um	1813.3853
1515		1815.3283	i- did anything ever happen to you? Like, were you [ever]	1817.8424
1516	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1817.5494	[No.]	1818.1414
1517		1818.3061	[No.]	1818.6844
1518	LES_int_01	1818.3061	[mugged] or anything like that?	1819.6587
1519	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1819.6587	No.	1820.0696
1520		1820.2222	No. [Nothing ever happened to me.]	1821.5480
1521	LES_int_01	1820.7608	[That's, um,]	1821.4933
1522		1821.7249	you were lucky.	1822.4145
1523	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1822.7806	I wasn't lucky, I	1824.0438
1525		1824.1318	know,	1824.5624
1526	LES_int_01	1824.5624	You were [smart.]	1825.2215
1527	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1824.8798	[I'm- I'm- I'm] alert.	1825.9471
1528	LES_int_01	1826.0996	Yeah.	1826.4474
1529	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1827.3200	Girl asked me,	1828.0401
1531		1828.2415	cause you know, we- I had /oh/	1830.1681
1533		1830.9187	a premises permit	1832.2551
1535		1832.7432	for a- at the bar, so you know.	1834.6166
1536	LES_int_01	1834.6166	Where was the bar?	1835.2032
1537	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1836.0759	Long Island [City.]	1836.8325
1538	LES_int_01	1836.7625	[Okay.]	1837.1376
1539	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1837.2292	Mm.	1837.4977
1541		1837.7173	Right over	1838.2543
1543		1838.8218	Right over the bridge. Queens Bridge.	1840.1202
1544	LES_int_01	1840.2423	Mm-hm.	1840.6389
1545	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1840.9074	Had a premises permit, you know, and	1842.8407
1547		1844.1710	e-	1844.3907
1549		1844.5768	obvious- I should stay on the property, I, you know.	1847.3096
1551		1847.5232	I could keep my gun, but I don't wanna be showing	1849.3112
1553		1849.7932	anybody	1850.4645
1555		1850.7452	just walking around with my gun because,	1852.4599
1557		1852.7772	this tells people that you're afraid of 'em, it sends the wrong message.	1855.8653
1559		1856.7684	But,	1856.9942
1561		1857.1101	they knew that the w-	1858.4958
1563		1858.5691	we had the permit, and they knew	1860.0824
1565		1860.4302	particularly, when it's closing time, and I start pulling down the gates and everything, that's when	1863.7700
1567		1863.9982	you got people try to do stuff.	1865.4237
1569		1865.7349	So, [that's when I used to] you know, stick it in my belt.	1868.0037
1570	LES_int_01	1865.9633	[Mm.]	1866.7360
1571	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1868.9116	And uh,	1869.5645
1572	LES_int_01	1869.7964	Did you have have to	1870.8032
1573	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1870.9985	[Yeah.]	1871.3276
1574	LES_int_01	1870.9985	[pull it] on somebody?	1872.0171
1575	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1872.2246	Huh?	1872.4664
1576	LES_int_01	1872.5457	Did you every have to pull it [on somebody?]	1874.1867
1577	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1873.5160	[No.]	1873.8882
1578		1874.2055	I never had to pull it on somebody.	1875.5419
1580		1875.8348	I was going home one- early one morning.	1877.9396
1582		1878.3241	Girl asked me said, how you doing little one? I said, fine.	1880.5453
1584		1880.7710	Says	1881.1311
1586		1881.3568	you got your gun?	1882.3296
1588		1882.5127	I said why?	1883.1961
1590		1883.5317	You wa- planning to rob me? No, no, I'm just asking.	1885.9800
1592		1886.3349	I said, well don't ask me unless you're planning rob me and then I'll- you'll find out.	1889.6479
1594		1890.0934	[So, she] didn't ask me no more.	1891.4406
1595	LES_int_01	1890.0934	[<laugh>]	1890.5888
1596	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1892.0630	You know,	1892.4270
1598		1893.5132	Why do you want to know what I got?	1895.1181
1599	LES_int_01	1898.0313	[Wow.]	1898.5392
1600	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1898.3271	[You] gotta straighten people out right away.	1900.2798
1601	LES_int_01	1900.5264	Uh-huh.	1901.0390
1603		1903.5895	And um,	1904.3706
1605		1904.9991	I re- I remember reading about Tompkins Square Park. There were riots?	1908.5792
1607		1908.9087	[At the end of the decade,]	1909.9310
1608	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1909.4518	[<ts> Well, yeah.]	1911.2946
1609	LES_int_01	1910.5575	[around ninety?]	1911.6558
1610	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1911.6680	[Yeah.]	1912.4717
1611	LES_int_01	1912.0446	[Or something. Were you around for that?]	1913.6372
1612	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1912.7841	[I /?/.]	1913.3199
1613		1914.0156	Yeah.	1914.3634
1615		1914.5159	Yeah, I was at the bar at the time.	1916.3500
1617		1916.9419	And uh,	1917.5704
1619		1918.0708	<laugh>	1918.4491
1621		1919.0166	Yeah.	1919.4682
1623		1920.0235	I	1920.3957
1625		1921.1048	look, I think it was more of the cops that was doing the rioting, man but.	1924.1856
1626	LES_int_01	1924.6006	Yeah. [Sounded like it.]	1925.6062
1627	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1924.9118	[Yeah.]	1925.4895
1628		1925.9044	Huh?	1926.2096
1629	LES_int_01	1926.2096	It sounded like it. The [ca- /inaudible/]	1928.5982
1630	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1927.2497	[Yeah, yeah, uh.]	1928.5982
1631	LES_int_01	1928.7386	They fucked up.	1929.3732
1633		1930.3740	Killed the people that were there.	1931.3564
1634	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	1931.3524	They- they get these guys into the uh	1933.7960
1635		1934.8577	into the- the school	1936.5969
1637		1936.7006	to train 'em to be cops.	1938.0736
1639		1938.7386	None of 'em live in the neighborhood they come from. Staton Island, Long Island,	1943.0773
1641		1943.3458	you know.	1943.6204
1643		1943.8460	They- they come from a totally different element,	1945.9879
1645		1946.5005	and uh,	1947.3071
1647		1949.2537	I don't know I- there's something very much lacking in the training.	1952.3644
1649		1953.1943	Because uh,	1954.0791
1651		1954.9236	far as I'm concerned,	1955.9671
1653		1956.7360	everybody that doesn't live in their neighborhood or that type of neighborhood	1959.9951
1655		1960.2269	is a criminal, and they're trying to make a difference by	1962.7171
1657		1962.9978	busting 'em.	1963.6508
1659		1964.0169	Uh, you know, a friend of mine wa-	1965.4001
1661		1965.7906	he- he- he's probably retired now, he had been a cop a long time.	1969.1820
1663		1969.5827	He told me,	1970.2722
1665		1970.4675	he's a black guy, he said when- when he- he-	1972.6581
1667		1972.8473	when he became a cop,	1973.9230
1669		1974.2098	he says, the um,	1975.5310
1671		1975.8544	sergeant, or lieutenant whoever it was, told him	1978.1366
1673		1978.5576	the guys when uh, he said if you wanna make detective /fair/,	1981.6490
1675		1981.9018	is all you have to do	1983.0978
1677		1984.2194	whenever you're on your beat. He says, when you see a car coming,	1987.1962
1679		1987.4342	if there's black guys in it, stop it.	1989.1832
1681		1989.4945	Said ask 'em for their papers	1991.0078
1683		1991.3800	search 'em.	1991.8867
1685		1992.0270	He says because	1992.9362
1687		1993.0400	nine times out of ten,	1994.3058
1689		1994.5743	he says	1995.0564
1691		1995.3859	you're gonna, one of 'em gonna wind up being dirty	1997.5194
1693		1997.6719	and he says, this way you can bust them. He says you'll make detective before-	2000.3993
1695		2000.5092	before you know it.	2001.1865
1697		2001.4245	And this is this- [this come.]	2003.1108
1698	LES_int_01	2002.1283	[That's racial profiling.]	2003.7881
1699	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2003.5867	[Of course] it is.	2004.5875
1700		2005.1489	And but the- you know, this is- this is what was happening then.	2007.6765
1701	LES_int_01	2008.9518	You think that still happens now?	2010.1478
1702	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2011.6564	Well, I'm sure it does, but it's not as open and blatant as it used to be, but.	2015.5158
1703	LES_int_01	2016.2250	Yeah.	2016.5667
1704	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2020.5075	It's n-	2021.1970
1706		2021.6181	Like I said, it's a different world.	2022.9545
1707	LES_int_01	2023.3389	[Yeah.]	2023.7844
1708	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2023.5464	[And] if you live long enough, you gotta make a lot of adjustments and getting used to the new stuff. [<laugh>]	2029.1263
1709	LES_int_01	2027.8815	[Yeah, really.]	2028.8273
1710		2029.1263	You lived a long time.	2030.4017
1711	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2031.4753	Yeah.	2031.8109
1712	LES_int_01	2032.0611	What do you think of the neighborhood now?	2033.3853
1713	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2034.2274	It's a nice neighborhood now.	2035.4600
1714	LES_int_01	2035.4600	[Kind of gentrified?]	2036.4638
1715	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2035.7621	[Lot of lot of] yuppies.	2037.4707
1716	LES_int_01	2037.7636	Yeah.	2038.0626
1717	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2038.5019	I think	2038.9352
1719		2039.0694	everybody	2039.9908
1721		2040.1495	in the neighborhood got	2041.0709
1723		2041.2174	ticked off	2041.7849
1725		2042.1970	when the- when they're	2043.5639
1727		2043.8324	before they had that stock ha- st- um.	2046.3153
1729		2047.9629	Stock market crash. When did that happen? Eighty-seven?	2051.1151
1730	LES_int_01	2051.1151	Oh. Mm.	2052.2989
1732		2053.1620	[Sounds close.] Yeah. Something like that.	2054.9683
1733	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2053.4366	[/Around there/.]	2054.0957
1734		2055.1940	Before they had that man, these yuppies, man, they	2057.7853
1736		2058.0355	they're the ones who ran the prices up on everything.	2060.6089
1738		2060.9690	And they had	2061.4083
1740		2061.5304	all these art galleries in this neighborhood.	2063.6701
1741	LES_int_01	2063.9569	[Mm.]	2064.3964
1742	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2064.1643	[They] would open up a art gallery	2065.8107
1743		2066.0865	and the	2066.6589
1745		2067.0555	I don't know	2067.6480
1747		2067.8066	who these artists were.	2069.1003
1749		2069.3566	But the limousines would be double parked, and you'd have all this wine and cheese and	2073.6480
1750	LES_int_01	2073.7212	[Really?]	2074.2155
1751	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2074.0324	[I] mean, t- they just-	2075.0827
1752		2075.6502	they was like one great big party going on	2077.8836
1754		2078.1765	at every other block had all these um	2080.5769
1756		2080.8698	art galleries.	2081.6055
1758		2082.0083	And	2082.4415
1760		2082.7405	that ruined, uh,	2083.5765
1762		2083.8084	a lot of uh, the- the p- the poor people in this neighborhood, they couldn't afford to stay.	2087.7536
1764		2088.0343	Right across the street from me, over there on Sixth Street, there's this guy	2091.0591
1766		2091.2727	he had been over there for a decade.	2092.7970
1768		2093.1326	He had a little store.	2094.4263
1770		2094.8570	It was a handyman store.	2096.2116
1772		2096.5717	You know, if you had a plumbing problem or an electrical problem, or locks. He was good with locks and stuff like that.	2102.1660
1774		2102.8671	He was paying	2103.7520
1776		2104.0266	two hundred dollars a month.	2105.5487
1778		2106.7447	His landlord- his lease was up, his la-	2108.7912
1780		2109.1452	his landlord told him, he says, you're getting a new lease.	2111.3480
1782		2111.5860	From now on, it's gonna be two thousand dollars a month.	2113.7706
1784		2113.9109	He said	2114.3652
1786		2115.5833	from two to two thousand?	2116.9380
1788		2117.3102	He says yeah.	2117.8472
1790		2118.1401	He says, you don't want it? Now, he already had a- a gallery lined up for it and bam.	2122.9586
1792		2123.6969	He had to go out, he went to Brooklyn.	2125.3178
1794		2126.0257	He opened up in Brooklyn. Right in Williamsburg over there around Bedford Avenue,	2129.6198
1795	LES_int_01	2129.7718	Mm-hm.	2130.2295
1796	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2130.2295	And uh, a gallery moved in where he is.	2132.6154
1797		2133.0309	And.	2133.7448
1799		2134.8982	They ran a lot of	2135.9294
1801		2136.3329	people out of business.	2137.4069
1802	LES_int_01	2137.7791	Hm.	2138.1391
1803	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2138.2917	A lot of people.	2139.3229
1805		2140.2444	And them buildings they're fixing over there now, on Sixth Street,	2143.2581
1807		2143.3863	Yeah.	2143.6853
1809		2144.2039	You know why they're fixing 'em?	2145.3389
1810	LES_int_01	2145.4854	Hm.	2145.7722
1811	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2147.4042	When they made the f- the first movie The Godfather. That's a long time ago.	2151.0117
1812	LES_int_01	2151.0117	I heard about it.	2152.2431
1813	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2152.2431	Tha- that's where they did a lot of the filming in the-	2155.1458
1814		2155.6278	And they painted 'em all green. In [fact the block association] was formed at that time.	2160.0914
1815	LES_int_01	2157.0281	[I heard! That's so cool.]	2158.6574
1816		2160.6039	Oh. Interesting. [Okay.]	2162.6189
1817	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2161.9756	[Yeah.]	2162.3051
1818		2162.7933	And uh.	2163.5316
1820		2163.9649	The guy that owned the buildings, was	2165.3814
1822		2165.5645	old guy.	2166.2296
1824		2166.3883	Tall, thin.	2167.4928
1826		2168.0481	He look like a s- walking skeleton.	2170.1312
1828		2171.2967	And he couldn't even- it'd take him a long time to walk down the street, but he finally passed away.	2175.7109
1830		2176.2662	And once he passed away	2177.5172
1832		2177.8528	uh, the people wh- right here on Avenue A	2181.1773
1834		2181.4763	across the street from Key Foods.	2183.0476
1836		2183.2917	They're the ones that wound up	2184.3840
1838		2184.7684	with the uh, authority, whatever	2187.0445
1840		2187.3008	to sell his property.	2188.3565
1842		2188.5884	So, that's what they did.	2189.7168
1844		2189.9425	And that's why they're gutting it and fixing it up.	2192.2003
1846		2192.4505	[They changed.]	2193.2316
1847	LES_int_01	2192.5665	[Did they kick] the people that were living in [there.]	2195.0500
1848	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2194.8243	[There] was nobody li-	2195.7335
1849		2195.9226	[there was w-]	2196.4252
1850	LES_int_01	2195.9226	[There wasn't?]	2196.5412
1851	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2196.6266	There was one or two people living in- in one of the buildings but not in all of them.	2200.7882
1853		2201.0567	Cause they were just about boarded up.	2202.8874
1855		2203.2779	The old man [lived there]	2204.6663
1856	LES_int_01	2203.9531	[Oh. So it was like abandoned]	2205.9546
1857	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2204.8128	[in there somewh-]	2205.4969
1858		2206.0095	It was kind of.	2206.7940
1860		2207.0137	One building I think was totally abandoned.	2208.8504
1862		2209.1799	But uh, I guess the old man must have gotten some good money	2211.7855
1864		2212.0113	from making that movie.	2213.1036
1866		2213.8679	Because he kept them buildings a long [time.]	2216.3453
1867	LES_int_01	2216.0580	[Mm.]	2216.7908
1868	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2216.7908	Without doing nothing to 'em.	2218.0783
1869		2218.4910	Had them all painted dark green on the outside.	2221.1699
1871		2221.9387	[Mm.]	2222.3659
1872	LES_int_01	2221.9387	[Yeah.]	2222.3659
1873		2222.8038	Uh, so, I interviewed um, a woman that lives in Village View.	2225.9841
1874	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2226.4479	[Yeah.]	2226.8262
1875	LES_int_01	2226.4479	[Who] was an ex- who liv- grew up on this block and she was an extra in The Godfather. [When they filmed it] she was a little girl.	2231.8788
1876	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2230.5242	[Yeah.]	2231.0489
1877		2231.8849	[Wow.]	2232.7696
1878	LES_int_01	2232.5621	[I] know, and so I went and rented the movie and I watched it and [it's- I knew it's-]	2235.8109
1879	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2235.2983	[And you seen her?]	2236.1953
1880	LES_int_01	2236.1953	I didn't see her. [She sa- she's] like yeah, you can maybe see me in the background, I didn't [see her,] but um.	2240.3203
1881	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2236.8605	[Yeah.]	2237.3303
1883		2239.5880	[Yeah.]	2239.9602
1884	LES_int_01	2240.5582	I just thought it was so cool that they filmed it.	2242.3745
1885	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2242.4539	Yeah.	2242.9726
1886	LES_int_01	2242.9726	Filmed it there.	2243.6865
1888		2244.2174	And I just- I can see- I mean, I see them everyday working on the	2247.1438
1890		2247.4062	[the building.] I was like how did they- how can they r- gut the whole building, like they must have	2251.5634
1891	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2247.5710	[Yeah.]	2247.9310
1892	LES_int_01	2251.7160	I thought they	2252.3593
1894		2252.6644	intimidated everybody [to leave] or something.	2255.3005
1895	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2254.2754	[No, no.]	2254.7513
1896		2255.3921	No. No.	2256.3196
1897	LES_int_01	2256.4355	[That makes more sense.]	2257.7597
1898	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2256.6917	[There was nobody in there.]	2257.8573
1899	LES_int_01	2259.3853	Yeah, that makes more sense.	2260.5447
1900	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2261.3197	Mm.	2261.6004
1901	LES_int_01	2261.8506	But, do you like the-	2263.0934
1903		2264.0438	the neighborhood?	2264.9164
1904	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2265.6487	Yeah. I like [it now.]	2266.6924
1905	LES_int_01	2266.4054	[I mean.]	2266.8996
1906		2267.3390	Yeah. [I guess] there's some tension.	2268.9991
1907	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2267.8031	[Yeah.]	2268.1936
1908	LES_int_01	2269.1821	The	2269.7536
1910		2270.0954	yuppies and	2271.2609
1911	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2271.3097	Well at that [time, yeah, people]	2272.8392
1912	LES_int_01	2271.8559	[/inaudible/]	2272.8087
1913	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2273.1931	I mean, people were putting signs up, uh, uh.	2275.6950
1915		2276.0034	Fight inflation. Kill a yuppie.	2277.6876
1916	LES_int_01	2277.9361	<laugh>	2278.9735
1917	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2279.7416	[Eh.]	2279.8942
1918	LES_int_01	2279.7416	[<laugh>]	2280.0834
1919	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2280.9010	But i-	2281.2611
1921		2281.8835	the yuppies lost their money after the stock market crashed and they couldn't afford these	2285.8881
1923		2286.1627	art galleries and	2287.3343
1925		2288.3412	cheese and wine fests.	2289.9618
1926	LES_int_01	2290.4438	Right.	2290.7612
1927	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2290.7612	And that was the end of that.	2291.9389
1928	LES_int_01	2294.1277	And so you think it's different now?	2295.4885
1929	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2295.4885	N- oh, it's very different.	2297.2002
1930		2297.5846	They got	2298.1277
1932		2298.8477	from	2299.4274
1934		2299.7204	on Third Avenue	2301.2398
1936		2301.4534	and Fourteenth Street, up and down that strip over there.	2303.8775
1938		2304.3901	I counted. There's seven dormitories	2306.9847
1940		2307.4485	for NYU.	2308.4675
1941	LES_int_01	2308.5774	[Yeah.]	2309.1510
1942	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2308.9557	[There's]	2309.3401
1943		2309.5964	thousands of young kids coming in here [now.]	2311.8870
1944	LES_int_01	2311.6481	[Yeah.] Yeah.	2312.4963
1945	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2312.4963	And they're all- they're	2313.4755
1946		2313.6097	they're	2313.7821
1948		2314.0628	the week- well, it used to be just the weekends	2316.1620
1950		2316.4122	but it usually starts now	2317.8984
1952		2318.1180	you can see it every night.	2319.2835
1954		2319.5215	But, Thursday	2320.3636
1956		2320.5894	from Thursday on, if the weather's nice, forget about it.	2322.9271
1957	LES_int_01	2323.1711	Oh, you can't even walk. [Yeah, you can't even-] I know.	2325.5876
1958	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2324.0987	[You can't even walk]	2325.0384
1959	LES_int_01	2326.1677	It's [crazy.]	2326.8084
1960	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2326.5033	[They're] all over the place.	2328.1204
1961		2328.3950	And then-	2328.8404
1963		2328.9869	they usually got friends, and they're bringing their friends in from-	2331.6150
1964	LES_int_01	2331.6091	Mm.	2331.8957
1965	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2331.9750	And you can always tell, i-	2333.2320
1967		2333.4578	I- you can look at somebody and know they don't live in the [neighborhood.]	2336.4418
1968	LES_int_01	2336.3197	[<laugh>]	2337.0070
1969	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2336.7812	[And] you can almost tell where they come from, oh th- you could tell by the way they walk, they're from Staten Island.	2341.0981
1970		2341.3545	And the Long Island ones, you can always tell with their twang.	2344.1859
1972		2344.5581	[Long Island Twang.]	2345.4429
1973	LES_int_01	2344.5581	[Ah. <laugh>]	2346.3765
1974		2347.5418	That's really funny.	2348.2557
1975	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2348.2557	Before I got rid of my van and everything,	2350.1434
1976		2350.4973	when I ha- when I had my other van,	2352.2486
1978		2352.8955	I'd come home, it was so crowded on the weekends	2355.2391
1980		2356.0568	I find out a-	2356.8867
1982		2357.9973	When I finish work, and I fi- when I finally find a spot, instead of going upstairs,	2361.9446
1984		2363.7876	I sit there and wait, and I start to see the-	2366.2406
1986		2366.8142	the uh,	2367.6190
1988		2367.8997	people coming,	2368.6808
1990		2369.0103	looking for parking spots.	2370.3528
1991	LES_int_01	2370.4199	Hm.	2370.7738
1992	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2370.9020	And uh.	2371.5671
1994		2373.1498	I s- s- say, you going out? I say, yeah, give me twenty dollars and you can have this spot.	2376.9759
1996		2377.8311	I sold a spot a couple of times for twenty bucks.	2380.2217
1997	LES_int_01	2380.2217	[<laugh>]	2381.1984
1998	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2380.8075	[And] I go park somewhere in the [neighborhood where, you know, way down the-]	2383.8677
1999	LES_int_01	2382.5401	[<laugh> That's blocks away. <laugh>]	2386.8594
2000	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2384.2521	[Yeah.]	2384.7220
2002		2385.3094	[Way down there.]	2386.1881
2004		2386.4444	[But I know] they need it.	2387.3536
2005		2387.5062	Particularly a guy who's got a car with a couple of girls when he wants to impress 'em.	2391.2630
2007		2391.5254	He'll throw out that twenty in a minute.	2392.9419
2008	LES_int_01	2393.1372	That is hilarious.	2394.3332
2010		2394.5590	Good for you.	2395.3889
2012		2396.2395	That's what you gotta do.	2397.3989
2013	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2398.9854	Yeah.	2399.2967
2014	LES_int_01	2399.7543	<laugh>	2400.2181
2016		2401.5485	Um.	2402.0721
2018		2402.6335	And so are you still working now? Are you retired?	2404.5565
2019	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2404.6175	Oh, I retired twelve years [ago.]	2406.1919
2020	LES_int_01	2405.9436	[Yeah.]	2406.4848
2021		2406.7472	Sure, but you help /RD-NAME-2/ now?	2408.1143
2022	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2408.1387	Yeah, I help /RD-NAME-2/ out.	2409.2188
2024		2409.4140	Sitting around, watching TV, vegetate.	2411.9018
2026		2412.4022	Start turning	2413.3724
2028		2414.2084	turning into uh,	2415.4288
2030		2416.6614	uh- uh- uh,	2417.6455
2032		2418.8432	a dead person.	2419.8911
2033	LES_int_01	2420.3610	Got bored.	2420.8725
2034	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2421.5438	No, you start de- disintegrating. /You know/, almost literally.	2425.3783
2035	LES_int_01	2425.5675	[Yeah.]	2425.8848
2036	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2425.7750	[You] got to do something with your mind, body's gotta do something.	2429.1498
2037	LES_int_01	2429.2536	Mm.	2429.5709
2039		2430.3154	And so what do you do?	2431.1697
2040	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2432.2558	Just help /RD-NAME-2/ out whenever he needs help.	2433.8238
2041	LES_int_01	2433.9947	Mm-hm.	2434.2937
2042	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2434.7697	Yeah.	2435.0939
2043	LES_int_01	2435.7285	Do you do- do you like.	2437.0158
2044	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2437.3575	Oh we	2437.7663
2046		2438.0287	we- fo- he's not as busy	2440.1157
2048		2440.7019	doing the same things that he was doing, but when I first started helping him,	2444.2655
2050		2444.8041	the people were moving out of	2446.3516
2052		2446.6384	the apartments,	2447.7429
2054		2448.0297	and then the landlord would want the apartment painted, so that's what we would do. We'd paint the apartment.	2452.2943
2055	LES_int_01	2452.2943	Mm.	2452.8069
2056	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2452.9289	And uh.	2453.7527
2058		2454.3831	Matter of fact, uh, I was helping him do some iron work too on the fire escapes.	2457.9912
2059	LES_int_01	2458.5404	Hm.	2458.8944
2060	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2459.4313	Cause, I have a license for welding and burning stuff like that from the fire department, I got that when I was	2464.3240
2062		2464.5254	doing trucking.	2465.3858
2064		2466.1058	When I t- was in trucking, I wasn't driving the truck.	2468.6891
2065	LES_int_01	2468.8859	Hm.	2469.2398
2066	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2469.4412	This was a company	2470.4359
2068		2470.7717	that uh, we used to get these trucks in	2473.3895
2070		2473.8737	and we'd either cut 'em up,	2475.2405
2072		2475.6311	and we were building	2476.7408
2074		2477.5829	dump trucks,	2478.4555
2076		2479.3648	tow trucks,	2480.2984
2078		2480.9452	and anything hydraulic I could fix. So, that's what we was doing.	2483.8948
2079	LES_int_01	2483.8948	Okay.	2484.4562
2080	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2484.5478	Yeah.	2484.9322
2081	LES_int_01	2486.9309	Ah.	2487.2482
2083		2488.9216	Well, it's nice that you've	2489.8761
2085		2489.9558	something to do	2490.8162
2086	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2492.3356	Then /RD-NAME-2/ got	2493.2511
2088		2493.3793	very paranoid about climbing	2494.9177
2090		2495.1800	ladders and fixing up fire escapes.	2497.0586
2091	LES_int_01	2497.7726	Oh [yeah?]	2498.1753
2092	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2498.0716	[He g-] ye- think he- yeah, he got.	2499.4579
2093		2499.7447	All of a sudden, he got thing with the uh	2502.1612
2095		2502.5944	fear of heights.	2503.5647
2097		2503.8496	He didn't wanna do it no more. I said, well I'll do it, don't worry about it, I don't care about the height.	2507.4532
2099		2507.7889	He wouldn't let me do it either.	2509.0010
2101		2509.2207	Yeah.	2509.3878
2103		2509.5221	He wouldn't take the job, so.	2511.0026
2104	LES_int_01	2511.1063	Did something happen? [Like, did he fall?]	2512.6989
2105	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2512.2169	[No, nothing] happened. Just happened.	2513.7938
2106		2514.0623	You know	2514.4222
2108		2514.5564	just like	2515.1910
2110		2515.8883	he- you know, he's a motorcycle guy, as you.	2518.4024
2111	LES_int_01	2518.8417	Yeah.	2519.1713
2112	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2519.6533	And he- oh at the [time.]	2521.1977
2113	LES_int_01	2520.7629	[He goes] up north.	2521.6920
2114	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2521.9482	Huh?	2522.2472
2115	LES_int_01	2522.2472	He goes up north right? Up the fr- on the weekends?	2524.6758
2116	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2524.8651	Yeah, but he doesn't go up there to ride a [motorcycle.]	2527.3304
2117	LES_int_01	2526.9826	[Oh.]	2527.3353
2118	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2527.8674	He goes up there for, uh, he's got a farm up there.	2530.3998
2119	LES_int_01	2530.4608	Mm.	2530.6866
2120	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2531.2968	However,	2532.0448
2122		2532.6367	I mean, he used to ride all the time. He has so many bikes.	2535.8878
2124		2536.1258	He had at least a half a dozen	2537.9808
2126		2538.3104	working bikes. Plus al- uh, maybe another	2540.9355
2128		2541.1795	half a dozen to a dozen bikes that weren't quite working. They all needed-	2544.5932
2130		2544.8861	They all needed something.	2545.8748
2132		2546.4118	But the- and he'd fix bikes for people. He was a- he's a	2548.6977
2134		2548.8868	expert uh, motorcycle mechanic.	2551.1525
2135	LES_int_01	2551.8269	Where does he keep his bikes?	2553.0014
2136	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2553.8313	Well, they're all over the place now. He's got some up	2556.5101
2138		2556.6322	in West Chester.	2557.8160
2140		2558.2605	He used to have them in the backyards and the basement, [it was in the basement where he lived.]	2562.0683
2141	LES_int_01	2560.8357	[<laugh>]	2562.3917
2142	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2562.5199	And the landlord, when he had to move man, he had to get all that stuff out of there. Go to his sister's house, said yeah, she said no man, you got to get these bikes out of here.	2570.1785
2144		2571.5443	So, [yeah.]	2573.0577
2145	LES_int_01	2572.0874	[How did you meet him?]	2573.0577
2146	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2574.2475	He lived across the street from me on Sixth Street.	2576.1561
2147	LES_int_01	2576.5405	Oh [yeah.]	2577.2728
2148	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2576.9188	[Yeah.]	2577.2728
2149		2578.8110	So, finally had to get rid of 'em.	2580.1718
2151		2580.4098	But, what happened was	2581.5766
2153		2583.2242	one of our friends, guys used to ride with us.	2585.3721
2155		2585.9640	Not us. With him.	2587.1661
2157		2587.3736	Cause I don't ride.	2588.2157
2159		2588.5635	I've owned a few bikes, but I've never	2590.5162
2161		2590.9372	actually ridden on.	2592.0234
2163		2593.1553	And this guy, nice guy,	2594.4977
2165		2594.8395	he bought a	2595.5046
2167		2595.8036	fact, he bought a	2596.6945
2169		2597.2315	he got a nice little apartment right across the street over here.	2600.3722
2170	LES_int_01	2600.7261	Mm-hm.	2601.0983
2171	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2601.4583	Just before you get to that French restaurant there.	2604.1059
2172	LES_int_01	2604.3256	Mm.	2604.7100
2173	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2604.8809	There's a gate there and a	2606.2215
2175		2606.4717	there's a yard.	2607.2772
2176	LES_int_01	2608.3816	On totally. There's a little table in the front?	2610.6359
2177	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2610.7463	Yeah. [Before you get there]	2612.3389
2178	LES_int_01	2611.1429	[Yeah, yeah, yeah.]	2612.3389
2179	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2613.2543	He got this apartment over there, and I-	2615.0468
2181		2615.2848	one of- one of- one of our friends	2617.3969
2183		2618.2878	and uh	2618.9835
2185		2620.6359	he was	2621.4047
2187		2621.7987	riding his bike.	2622.8910
2189		2623.4314	He was over there on uh.	2625.0119
2191		2626.1477	S- what the heck is that little street?	2627.7953
2193		2628.4849	There's Fourth Avenue, there's another little street over there	2631.8857
2195		2632.5325	by Union Square that comes out. What the heck is the [name?]	2635.3351
2196	LES_int_01	2634.8896	[Oh.]	2635.8476
2197		2638.6905	Not Fourth?	2639.4638
2198	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2640.4462	No. Past, going west.	2642.3137
2200		2644.3030	University Place.	2645.7065
2201	LES_int_01	2645.7065	Oh University Place. Yeah [yeah yeah.]	2647.2443
2202	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2646.7866	[Yeah.] The guy was making a turn	2648.4263
2203		2648.6765	and the bike slipped.	2649.6406
2205		2649.9945	And uh, he was making a turn or trying to pass a truck.	2652.7986
2207		2653.4664	And he went underneath the truck, and the truck ran over him, killed him.	2656.2368
2209		2656.3714	Bam! Just like that.	2657.3722
2211		2658.2440	And /RD-NAME-2/ we, you know, we had a wake, his girlfriend /was/ came, and everything. I-	2662.5813
2213		2662.7704	it was a very sad situation.	2664.4363
2215		2664.8672	In fact,	2665.5872
2217		2666.0571	/RD-NAME-2/'s girlfriend, she said she had seen the whole thing from her office window.	2669.6718
2219		2670.2244	And uh, it was very very bad.	2672.2320
2221		2672.8611	And /RD-NAME-2/ hasn't ridden since.	2674.5697
2223		2675.0151	He had- he got like this- he don't wanna ride no [more.]	2677.5530
2224	LES_int_01	2677.4127	[Oh.] Wow.	2678.5355
2225	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2678.5355	Yeah.	2678.9511
2226	LES_int_01	2679.7383	Well, maybe that's for the best, cause it's-	2681.5873
2227	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2681.5873	[Huh?]	2681.8802
2228	LES_int_01	2681.9933	if it's dangerous.	2683.0579
2229	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2684.0281	Yeah.	2684.5651
2230	LES_int_01	2685.3084	Is that why you don't ride?	2686.4117
2231	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2687.1622	I never learned.	2687.9372
2232	LES_int_01	2688.3033	Oh yeah?	2688.7976
2234		2689.3773	But you could.	2690.1035
2235	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2690.3842	Oh yeah, I w- I'd ride in a minute.	2692.1349
2236	LES_int_01	2692.5621	You would?	2692.9526
2237	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2693.0014	Yeah.	2693.4774
2238	LES_int_01	2693.4774	You're not scared?	2694.1486
2239	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2694.7059	No.	2695.1574
2240	LES_int_01	2695.3100	I'd be scared.	2696.1460
2241	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2697.7569	I'm not afraid.	2698.6418
2242	LES_int_01	2698.6418	Well, you have to lean,	2699.6040
2244		2700.2468	fall over.	2700.8915
2245	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2701.2760	Kind of depends upon how fast [you're going. I'm not-] I'm- I am not into speeding anymore.	2705.4520
2246	LES_int_01	2702.6084	[<laugh>]	2703.5237
2247		2705.4520	Oh yeah.	2705.8508
2248	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2705.8609	I di- I had enough of that when I was in the car business.	2708.6496
2249	LES_int_01	2708.7900	Mm-hm.	2709.2476
2250	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2710.4809	In the simonizing business, which they call uh,	2713.0521
2252		2714.0345	detailing now.	2715.0109
2253	LES_int_01	2715.0719	Yeah, that's so interesting.	2716.2679
2254	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2717.1466	[Yeah.]	2717.3846
2255	LES_int_01	2717.1466	[I've] never heard that word.	2718.2604
2256		2720.4192	Have to look it up.	2721.2465
2258		2722.3780	Um. Well, is there anything else	2724.1293
2260		2724.4222	you wanna-	2724.9165
2262		2725.5572	you wanna tell me?	2726.2186
2263	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2727.0302	Well.	2727.3170
2264	LES_int_01	2727.4086	Anything else I need to know?	2728.4642
2265	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2728.8527	Well, I think with what I tell you can.	2730.4553
2266	LES_int_01	2730.4553	[<laugh>]	2731.1204
2268		2731.4874	I'll [see you around.]	2732.2685
2269	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2731.7193	[Do it again.]	2732.2136
2270		2732.3905	Yeah.	2732.7139
2271	LES_int_01	2733.0740	I really appreciate it. This was really fun.	2734.8558
2273		2736.0419	I like to he- to learn about people you know. It's like you meet somebody, I mean, you don't really know	2739.9595
2274	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2740.0510	Yeah.	2740.5209
2275	LES_int_01	2740.5209	what their life was like.	2741.6494
2277		2741.9118	Or is like.	2742.4244
2279		2743.4495	[That's cool.]	2743.9682
2280	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2743.7180	[Yeah.]	2744.0963
2281	LES_int_01	2744.2672	Thanks.	2744.5418
2282	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2744.9751	How was your interview with /RD-NAME-2/?	2746.4816
2283	LES_int_01	2746.6219	It was good.	2747.3298
2284	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2747.5556	[Yeah.]	2747.7264
2285	LES_int_01	2747.5556	[It] was in uh.	2748.5746
2286		2748.7882	It was in	2749.5632
2288		2749.8927	January.	2750.7714
2289	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2751.3645	Oh, it was that [long?]	2752.1578
2290	LES_int_01	2752.0658	[Yeah.] It was in the winter. [And he was.]	2754.3850
2291	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2753.4514	[Oh, that's before he] went in the hospital.	2754.9220
2292	LES_int_01	2755.2454	It was before he went in the hospital, um and he was	2758.5139
2294		2758.7946	like	2759.0265
2296		2759.1302	just about to go	2760.3744
2298		2760.6002	I think into court to argue about getting [kicked out of his place.]	2764.5116
2299	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2763.3217	[His apartment. Yeah.]	2764.5116
2300	LES_int_01	2764.8106	So, he was very. He was agitated.	2767.0245
2302		2767.3662	I [mean, he was.]	2768.1455
2303	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2767.5902	[Yeah.]	2768.1150
2304	LES_int_01	2768.3529	He was upset about all that stuff that was going on.	2770.5375
2305	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2770.7084	<ts>	2770.8426
2306	LES_int_01	2771.0440	At the time, so that's like mainly what we talked about.	2773.1504
2307	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2773.1504	Well, since he came out of the hospital, he's like a different person.	2775.8048
2308	LES_int_01	2776.1588	I know [he's really different.]	2777.8182
2309	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2776.7869	[Oh.]	2777.5802
2310	LES_int_01	2778.2575	Is it because he's on medication?	2779.8990
2311	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2779.8990	Well, that has a lot to do with it.	2781.5493
2312	LES_int_01	2781.5493	Yeah, he's just [very]	2782.8918
2313	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2782.3914	[Yeah.]	2782.8918
2314	LES_int_01	2783.1237	[subdued.]	2783.9231
2315	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2783.7400	[Cause] the meds that he's one, I've known.	2785.4364
2316		2786.1381	I know people who are on it.	2787.4615
2318		2787.7361	And the few people that I know are on it, man, they have to take that the rest of their lives.	2791.2326
2319	LES_int_01	2791.2326	What is he taking?	2792.0930
2320	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2792.4713	Uh, I forgot the name of it. It'll	2794.2781
2322		2794.6015	cross my mind in a minute.	2795.6755
2324		2796.2534	But.	2796.4853
2326		2797.0100	It's- it's like a tranquilizer. It keeps [you mellow.]	2799.9069
2327	LES_int_01	2799.2234	[Is it valium] or something?	2800.9320
2328	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2801.1151	No, it's not valium.	2802.1468
2329	LES_int_01	2802.2322	But like something like that.	2803.1567
2330	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2803.1445	[Something like] it, yeah.	2804.2673
2331	LES_int_01	2803.4343	[Yeah.	2803.8248
2332		2805.0789	That's what I thought, only cause he's [so, he's] just very	2807.9783
2333	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2806.4283	[Yeah.]	2806.9287
2334	LES_int_01	2808.2712	mellow.	2808.7410
2335	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2811.0456	Cause he used to be a [firecracker.]	2813.1689
2336	LES_int_01	2812.6991	[<laugh> Yeah.]	2813.7364
2337	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2813.8585	Yeah.	2814.4077
2338	LES_int_01	2814.6090	I sensed that.	2815.4389
2340		2815.7318	I saw his video too. Di- have you seen his [movie?]	2818.4350
2341	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2818.0872	[No.]	2818.8073
2342	LES_int_01	2818.8256	Some- some	2819.7653
2344		2819.9179	filmmaker made a	2821.0040
2346		2821.4251	movie about him, like just followed him around with the camera.	2823.9995
2347	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2824.1032	Really?	2824.7256
2348	LES_int_01	2824.7256	Yeah, and uh.	2826.0412
2350		2826.7247	And he brought it over when I interviewed him.	2828.8399
2352		2829.0473	And you know, said would I buy it and I bought it.	2830.7376
2354		2831.1648	It's called Cowboy Stan.	2832.5195
2355	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2832.9771	[You're kidding.]	2833.5873
2356	LES_int_01	2833.2029	[Oh,] yeah, I'll lend it to you, it was funny. But. But	2835.8113
2357		2836.2933	from that, I mean I talked to him, we talked like this and so I'd met him a few times, but then I watched the movie. And [so I got]	2842.1970
2358	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2841.4363	[Yeah.]	2841.7536
2359	LES_int_01	2842.3435	a better [idea of.] He was a- he is a character.	2845.3335
2360	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2843.0757	[Yeah.]	2843.8507
2362		2845.3335	He, oh [man.]	2846.4143
2363	LES_int_01	2846.1092	[<laugh>]	2846.7133
2364	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2846.7133	He used walk- he-	2847.6243
2365		2847.9460	he used to walk, cause he used to have sometimes a half a dozen pitbulls he used to walk the street with.	2852.7185
2366	LES_int_01	2852.7671	Oh my God.	2854.0363
2367	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2854.0363	Mothers, fathers of	2855.1713
2368		2855.5008	kids	2855.9951
2370		2856.8707	Man, he was walking up, people just gave him the whole-	2858.9641
2372		2859.2265	the whole street, man.	2860.1968
2373	LES_int_01	2860.3798	So funny.	2861.2036
2374	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2861.2036	Yeah.	2861.5270
2375	LES_int_01	2861.7101	Yeah, he's a funny guy.	2862.7610
2377		2862.9379	But I f- I feel, I mean, I-	2864.6221
2379		2865.0310	I feel bad seeing him now, because he's so. He just seems not [himself.]	2868.6992
2380	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2867.9304	[Yeah, but.]	2868.4917
2381		2868.9006	/RD-NAME-2/ saved his life.	2870.2763
2382	LES_int_01	2870.4533	Really?	2870.8377
2383	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2871.1001	Yeah.	2871.4906
2385		2871.8690	Cause if it wasn't for /RD-NAME-2/ getting him	2873.4799
2387		2873.9193	th- getting him in there getting the right treatment and everything, man.	2876.8588
2389		2877.1761	The guy was not in a position to-	2879.2325
2391		2879.4095	to help himself. So, /RD-NAME-2/ helped him.	2881.1120
2393		2881.4171	[He really.]	2881.8137
2394	LES_int_01	2881.5635	[He] got him in the hospital?	2882.6131
2395	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2882.6131	Yeah.	2883.2294
2396		2884.0757	Otherwise, he'd	2884.8568
2398		2885.3022	no way.	2885.9124
2399	LES_int_01	2886.1748	Yeah.	2886.7484
2400	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2886.8705	And /RD-NAME-2/'s done that for a few people man. He-	2889.0306
2402		2889.7625	he's- he's good like that.	2891.0012
2403	LES_int_01	2891.0928	Yeah.	2891.4589
2405		2891.8372	Yeah, he seems like a good guy.	2893.0638
2406	LES_se0_ag4_m_02	2893.2957	He really is.	2894.1866