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1PRV_se0_ag2_f_020.5670/Alright/ and then,1.5446
3 2.5780<ts>2.7908 
5 4.4348uh, from First Street on back up,7.2417 
7 7.9316um,8.6068 
9 9.7077it would be on the right side, /found/ on the right side12.4893 
10PRV_int_0112.5994Okay.12.9100
11PRV_se0_ag2_f_0212.9367of- of /?/ Boulevard and, um,15.5381
13 16.8885then I got everything on the right side on Mutual Boulevard, and20.6609 
15 21.2440part of Southern Terrace.22.5561 
17 23.4531Mm-hm.23.9008 
18PRV_int_0124.1430What part of Southern Terrace?25.4274
19PRV_se0_ag2_f_0225.4934Uh-25.8751
20PRV_int_0125.9118/Okay/.26.3448
21PRV_se0_ag2_f_0226.3572If I- once you turn into27.6563
23 28.0380Southern Terrace,29.1525 
25 29.7219I have the ri- all the right side (laughing) <laugh>32.5402 
27 32.9292of Southern Terrace.34.2397 
29 34.4076Mkay.35.0388 
30PRV_int_0135.4131And you live,36.0810
32 36.7709kind of in the middle of that? Or you live on, um, [/??/?]39.4644 
33PRV_se0_ag2_f_0239.1708[Yeah], I live about in the /middle of-/40.8093
34 41.2038middle.41.5855
35PRV_int_0141.7277Okay.42.1974
36PRV_se0_ag2_f_0242.2855We're about at the end.43.8341
38 46.2634Yeah, it's basically a47.3790 
40 47.9441bout at the- well right before you get to /??/ store, so that50.5381 
42 50.7657still right before you get to Southern Terrace, so I'm about at the end of Greenwood Boulevard.54.6922 
43PRV_int_0154.9890So by the time you got to Princeville, you had already known a lot of people that lived here.58.6954
44PRV_se0_ag2_f_0258.6440Yeah, cause I had a lot of clients too, like you said, um,61.5338
45 62.1407uh,62.4934
47 62.6765growing up with some of 'em, and um,64.5407 
48PRV_int_0165.5315Did you go to school with people in Princeville?67.3810
50 68.6540Did people from Princeville go to your school where you were [/attending/?]71.5970 
51PRV_se0_ag2_f_0271.2080[Well] some of the ones that had moved from the country up here, yeah.74.8002
52PRV_int_0174.7488Mm-hm.75.0652
53PRV_se0_ag2_f_0275.4020Um,75.7470
55 76.0846and uh, I had went to school with of them from um,78.5579 
57 79.0790Robinson School, [in um,]80.9579 
58PRV_int_0180.1799[/Mm/.]80.7671
59PRV_se0_ag2_f_0281.5776<ts>81.6657
60PRV_int_0181.6217Cause there [wasn't /elementary/,]82.5758
61PRV_se0_ag2_f_0282.1868[in] Conetoe.83.0308
62PRV_int_0183.0235there was only elementary, so after that they would all85.5776
63 85.8051have to go somewhere else, [right?]87.3684
64PRV_se0_ag2_f_0287.0308[Yeah], the high school they was at, uh, Pattillo, so they would be in Tarboro.90.6445
65PRV_int_0190.6665Oh, okay.91.3637
66PRV_se0_ag2_f_0291.3784The ones that was, um,92.6481
68 93.5435<ts>93.7931 
70 94.0132when they, uh,95.0807 
72 95.3889divide the area up,96.9302 
74 97.2384for- once they closed Conetoe down,99.1889 
76 99.4549the ones that was closer up in Tarboro went to102.4779 
78 103.1792uh, Pattillo.103.9904 
80 104.3461<ts>104.5590 
82 104.7865The ones from um105.8507 
84 107.9163closer back towards Conetoe, they went to Southwest.110.9474 
86 111.3217And then the112.0299 
88 112.2810ones in the county area113.7714 
90 114.6059up Edgecombe County, went to North Edgecombe.117.1230 
91PRV_int_01117.2992Okay.117.6368
92PRV_se0_ag2_f_02117.9230Mm-hm.118.2960
94 119.4863And, um,120.2643 
96 122.6601uh,123.1665 
98 123.8418as I was saying, um,125.0748 
100 125.5885I move up here in eighty-six, and um,128.0211 
102 128.3293like I said, I-129.0999 
104 129.3496And plus my dad,130.5385 
106 130.7513they- A lot of people knew my dad.132.4100 
107PRV_int_01132.5494[Oh, okay.]133.0412
108PRV_se0_ag2_f_02132.6669[See he's a] minister.133.9879
109 134.4253And he got the oldest church here in, uh,136.7745
111 137.7652uh, Princeville138.5520 
112PRV_int_01138.8634Oh.139.0389
113PRV_se0_ag2_f_02139.0389/RD-WORK-2/ right there f- on, uh,141.0480
114 142.0726Church Street here in Princeville.143.4199
115PRV_int_01143.6350I thought your dad was a farmer.144.9596
116PRV_se0_ag2_f_02146.2616He [was.]147.2862
117PRV_int_01146.9064[He was] a farmer and a minister.148.4575
118PRV_se0_ag2_f_02148.9670Well he became a minister later.150.3822
119PRV_int_01150.3992Oh really?151.0162
120PRV_se0_ag2_f_02151.0162Uh, he became a minister when I was about sixteen.153.4164
121PRV_int_01153.6084Oh, wow.154.2877
122PRV_se0_ag2_f_02154.3160Mm-hm.154.8425
123PRV_int_01155.5501When he was sixteen.156.5237
124PRV_se0_ag2_f_02156.7332When I was [sixteen.]157.6163
125PRV_int_01157.1181[When you] were sixteen, [okay.]158.4881
126PRV_se0_ag2_f_02157.9673/Yeah/.158.2843
127 159.4159[Yeah.]160.0613
128PRV_int_01159.4159[And /RD-NAME-4/] switched. What- what happened to him?162.0652
129PRV_se0_ag2_f_02162.4898Um,162.9596
131 163.6786well, I mean, He was a sharecropper.165.1504 
133 165.5235And boy he still worked as a custodian.168.0879 
134PRV_int_01168.0879[Mm-hm.]168.6766
135PRV_se0_ag2_f_02168.4218[And] then169.1691
136 169.7578was a minister too.170.8447
137PRV_int_01170.8730Okay.171.2183
138PRV_se0_ag2_f_02171.5744Mm-hm.172.0839
140 172.7575So, um-173.7652 
141PRV_int_01174.0199So you went to church every Sunday?175.4974
142PRV_se0_ag2_f_02176.0551Hm. <laugh>177.0258
143PRV_int_01177.0366<laugh>177.3310
144PRV_se0_ag2_f_02177.3254<laugh>178.3556
145 178.7632No, um,180.3143
147 180.9313Now his church, they go to church every Saturday and [Sunday.]183.9820 
148PRV_int_01183.4556[Oh], wow.184.3839
149PRV_se0_ag2_f_02184.5368But I went185.3180
151 186.0879a- as many Sundays187.5936 
152PRV_int_01187.6899Uh-huh.188.0635
153PRV_se0_ag2_f_02188.3296cause, um,188.9183
155 189.4159we had things to do190.5877 
157 191.0463at home. Especially the girl had to wash [clothes] and193.8937 
158PRV_int_01193.2993[Oh.]193.6729
159PRV_se0_ag2_f_02194.3748clean up the house and195.4897
161 195.8745help cook dinner for Sunday, you [know.]198.1162 
162PRV_int_01198.0652[Oh], okay.198.7041
163PRV_se0_ag2_f_02198.7268[Yeah.]199.1117
164PRV_int_01198.9985[So] now you- [you-]199.8816
165PRV_se0_ag2_f_02199.7174[My-] with- alone with my mom.201.2458
166PRV_int_01201.4208You have younger brothers right?202.9153
167PRV_se0_ag2_f_02203.1870One younger [brother and one younger] sister.205.1230
168PRV_int_01203.7418[Did they have to go to-]204.6978
169 205.3874Did he have to go to church? Or would he stay home on Sunday too?207.9786
171 208.5756/inaudible/209.0115 
172PRV_se0_ag2_f_02209.0228Um,209.5493
174 210.5966Like I said basically on Sunday we went to church, but,212.9232 
176 213.6812uh, well,214.2190 
178 214.6266okay, my s-215.4644 
180 215.7135Okay let me say this,216.5399 
181PRV_int_01216.7607[Mm-hm.]217.1343
182PRV_se0_ag2_f_02216.7720[my] dad, went to church every Saturday and Sunday.219.3364
183 220.3526But we was in my- my mom church.222.3418
184PRV_int_01222.4380[Oh.]223.1004
185PRV_se0_ag2_f_02222.8400[See] we went to separate [churches.]224.4703
186PRV_int_01224.0174[/So I didn't know/.]224.7420
187PRV_se0_ag2_f_02225.1949Uh-huh.225.5515
188PRV_int_01225.5793What [church /was it?/]226.7562
189PRV_se0_ag2_f_02226.1680[Uh that was] White Chapel in Speed.228.2494
190PRV_int_01228.2665Oh.228.6362
191PRV_se0_ag2_f_02228.6418That was her mom and dad church. [So it was like] a family thing.231.3024
192PRV_int_01230.0231[Ah.]230.5156
193 231.3421Okay.231.8737
194PRV_se0_ag2_f_02232.0435So, um,232.8926
196 234.1380we really couldn't understand my dad church (laughing).236.2325 
198 236.3094[<laugh>]237.1779 
199PRV_int_01236.5835[Really?]237.1439
200PRV_se0_ag2_f_02237.6925I mean the way they fellowship,238.9662
201PRV_int_01239.1927[Really?]239.6682
202PRV_se0_ag2_f_02239.2096[a lot of-]239.6568
203 239.9286A lot of time.240.5682
204PRV_int_01240.6645What was it- what was it about [the church] that-242.7016
205PRV_se0_ag2_f_02241.7344[Um,]242.2099
206PRV_int_01243.0464what was unique? What was the way the worship- what was different 'em?245.9555
208 246.1579The way they [/??/.]246.9785 
209PRV_se0_ag2_f_02246.5060[Because], um,247.5136
210 249.9756when they preach it they sing.251.6116
211PRV_int_01252.0305Oh.252.3135
212PRV_se0_ag2_f_02252.8456Uh, it's the way they-254.1306
214 256.9248And we couldn't really understand what he was saying.258.7622 
216 259.5375<laugh>260.0117 
217PRV_int_01260.1640What [kind of words?]260.9463
218PRV_se0_ag2_f_02260.4493[They sing] words,261.7085
219 262.2792and, um,263.0235
221 265.9035let me see how they normally do it.267.6155 
223 268.1258See they Primitive Baptist.269.5278 
225 270.2473And I could sort of /describe/ it more than-272.6841 
227 272.8408I mean I may can273.7892 
229 274.0807sort of demonstrate,274.8437 
231 275.1896more than I can276.0102 
232PRV_int_01276.0488[Yeah.]276.3237
233PRV_se0_ag2_f_02276.1481[/say-/]276.3590
234 276.9545[<laugh>]277.7884
235PRV_int_01277.4879[Alright.]277.8397
236 278.0078[/??/]278.5465
237PRV_se0_ag2_f_02278.0192[Okay.]278.5503
238 278.9146Let's use for example, if they was- if he were preaching on Amazing [Grace,]283.4135
239PRV_int_01283.1343[Uh-huh], uh-huh.283.8477
240PRV_se0_ag2_f_02284.0958okay, um,285.4666
242 288.8304he-289.1737 
244 289.3019they would normally say,290.5622 
246 290.9456something like, uh,292.0187 
248 293.0856and see they don't have music, they make all of their own [music.]295.6926 
249PRV_int_01295.3576[Oh, okay.] Wow.296.4680
250PRV_se0_ag2_f_02296.4431And, uh, they-297.3189
251 297.5326Okay let's just use you for example, if you a preaching on Amazing Grace,300.9731
253 301.4507And- and- and he be doing something like,303.5411 
255 303.9939Ama- wait a minute.305.3337 
257 306.2349A- one second.307.1033 
259 309.1528Amazing <clap> grace <clap> how- it's a- it's a beat- it's a beat they have.314.0896 
261 314.3811With- when <clap> they <clap> talking with their <clap> hands and feet <clap>. I'm trying to get, <clap> the beat (laughing).319.0475 
263 321.1193And you really don't understand what they actually saying.323.9185 
264PRV_int_01323.8444Okay.324.2754
265PRV_se0_ag2_f_02324.1915I- I- I- I- I really can't get it right now, but sometimes when I'm doing [it at home],328.7196
266PRV_int_01328.2306[Yeah. /?/] [/?/.]329.2281
267PRV_se0_ag2_f_02328.8312[<laugh>]329.4081
268 329.7201/I think you-/, but, um,331.4507
269PRV_int_01331.8217/It/ kind of revolves around the beat what he's saying revolves [around the rhythm] of-335.6116
270PRV_se0_ag2_f_02334.6079[Uh-huh.]335.1662
271PRV_int_01336.6071Like a song [almost.]337.7752
272PRV_se0_ag2_f_02337.5747Like a s-338.0316
273 338.2168Yeah.338.5873
275 338.7640A-338.9549 
277 339.2227a beat song-340.1460 
279 340.3169I mean it's neat w- the way they do it, but342.3900 
281 343.6678I like to,344.4121 
283 345.1875understand the words, you know (whispered). And348.2659 
285 349.0152which I go visit sometimes, I- I still [do. (laughing)]351.9690 
286PRV_int_01351.7706[Hm.]352.2388
287PRV_se0_ag2_f_02352.7320And, um-353.4143
288PRV_int_01353.4223And your father's name is what now?355.4531
289PRV_se0_ag2_f_02355.6988/RD-NAME-8/.358.4343
290PRV_int_01358.7108[Can you say, I'm] sorry, /RD-NAME-2- /]360.2411
291PRV_se0_ag2_f_02358.7940[And, um,]359.4261
293 359.7652[<ts>]359.8671 
295 360.1419/RD-NAME-4/.361.5871 
296 362.9456And, um,363.6465
298 366.7374but they- they be preaching from the bible,369.4604 
299PRV_int_01369.5286Mm-hm.369.9380
300PRV_se0_ag2_f_02370.0373though.370.4777
302 370.9801N-371.2841 
304 371.7697but it's the way they373.1591 
306 376.1613be preaching [it] I-377.5508 
307PRV_int_01376.8685[Right.]377.3151
308PRV_se0_ag2_f_02378.2039I- I- I sometimes don't understand what they saying, they don't bring the words clearly,381.9815
309PRV_int_01381.9727/Mm/.382.4856
310PRV_se0_ag2_f_02382.5335what I'm saying.383.3089
311PRV_int_01383.3399Are these still- he still at that church, still at Mount Zion, or is he-386.7347
312PRV_se0_ag2_f_02386.8012Yeah he still the pastor [there.]388.3023
313PRV_int_01388.2030[Okay.]388.7365
314PRV_se0_ag2_f_02388.7240Matter of fact he a pastor at two churches.390.6178
315 390.9465See, um,391.6164
317 392.9004<ts>392.9624 
319 393.8539he go to different churches395.3940 
320PRV_int_01395.9255Okay.396.3972
321PRV_se0_ag2_f_02396.3696in his, um,397.3125
322 399.8122denom- um,400.5194
324 401.3338it's the same denomination.402.7666 
326 403.5916But, uh,404.2181 
328 405.9916they go /?/,406.7241 
330 407.3276they're different churches or denominations I [would say.]410.1375 
331PRV_int_01409.6784[Mm-hm.]410.0557
332PRV_se0_ag2_f_02410.7391And, um,411.3842
334 412.6682like,412.9722 
336 413.5073he's a pastor of two churches. He used to have three.416.2305 
338 416.6585But he a pastor of, uh, two churches.418.8233 
340 419.3027And at Mount Zion here in Princeville.421.2070 
342 421.6164Which is the oldest,422.8694 
343PRV_int_01423.3718Mkay.423.8681
344PRV_se0_ag2_f_02423.8805um,424.3891
346 425.6253black church.426.4131 
348 427.2132And, uh, then he a pastor of, mm, um,430.4139 
350 433.0644um,433.3931 
351PRV_int_01433.9017The oldest black [church in-] in the [area?]435.8743
352PRV_se0_ag2_f_02434.7143Art Willow-435.2522
354 435.5434[Art Willow] Primitive Baptist Church,437.2575 
355 437.5819that's in, uh, Falkland.438.8659
356PRV_int_01439.0271Hm.439.3249
358 440.2987He said you said that Mount Zion's the oldest- oldest black church.443.3754 
359PRV_se0_ag2_f_02443.9044Mm-hm.444.1898
360PRV_int_01444.2084in the- in the area or in- in Edgecombe County or-447.9673
361PRV_se0_ag2_f_02447.9859It's about the beginning of the United [States.]450.3945
362PRV_int_01450.2642[You] think so? Okay, wow /my-/452.2491
363 453.8060The United States. Alright.455.2637
365 457.2815Um, [<clears throat>]458.5406 
366PRV_se0_ag2_f_02457.6288[<clears throut>]458.5468
367PRV_int_01459.6820Okay.460.0914
368PRV_se0_ag2_f_02460.8729[Because] they- they supposed be, um,463.2877
369PRV_int_01460.8791[Uh-]461.2947
370PRV_se0_ag2_f_02463.9204n-464.1933
372 464.7019um,465.1175 
374 465.4835/builded/ like, uh,466.8543 
376 468.0719the, uh, historical society do.470.1437 
378 470.8260Preser- what you call it? [Preservation.]472.6310 
379PRV_int_01472.1906[Preservation.]472.7303
380PRV_se0_ag2_f_02473.2221And, um, uh, [historic-] they supposed to be, um,476.2925
381PRV_int_01474.0905[/inaudible/]474.6302
382PRV_se0_ag2_f_02477.0989help preserving that church because of it age.480.1637
383PRV_int_01480.1587Oh [okay.]480.7604
384PRV_se0_ag2_f_02480.5681[Mm-hm.]481.2070
385PRV_int_01481.3745How old is it?481.9328
386PRV_se0_ag2_f_02483.5517It's a hundred something years old, I know. /It's Zion, but Zion is how many years old/.488.0692
387PRV_int_01488.1002Hm.488.6399
388PRV_se0_ag2_f_02488.9004Mm-hm.489.6634
390 490.4945And I don't think they handle more than, uh,492.4627 
392 493.7529mm, preachers.494.7669 
394 496.3891I di- I did know that.497.8347 
396 499.1842It- it- it haven't been that many preachers there, uh,501.6075 
398 502.1100cause they-502.6000 
400 503.0298they last so long.504.2022 
401PRV_int_01504.2084Yeah.504.6053
402PRV_se0_ag2_f_02504.6240I- I- I think he about the seventh, eighth,506.9128
404 507.2478[Prea-]507.7626 
405PRV_int_01507.5331[Oh], okay.508.2278
406PRV_se0_ag2_f_02508.4449Seven or eighth preacher.509.4436
408 509.9851Something like that.510.9279 
409PRV_int_01511.7343Wow.512.1313
410PRV_se0_ag2_f_02512.3297[<laugh>]512.9314
411PRV_int_01512.7019[So that-] was that a big party of family in terms of515.0546
412 515.5757church and everything?516.8783
413PRV_se0_ag2_f_02517.0458Oh yeah.517.5234
415 518.2739Yeah.518.7267 
417 519.2540Um,519.7936 
419 520.5901<ts>520.6699 
421 520.9412then my, uh, granddaddy's he used to, uh,522.8535 
423 523.4390own a barbershop, right be- next to it to, um,526.0567 
425 526.4102the church, that I'm a member of in Speed. My mom and dad,529.3966 
426PRV_int_01529.7802Okay.530.2206
427PRV_se0_ag2_f_02530.2082and, um,530.8533
428PRV_int_01531.4169So [your grandfather-]532.5033
429PRV_se0_ag2_f_02531.7403[but plus it give a little] time to-533.1359
430 533.5515to- to see some of my other mama sister children and getting together with them.537.4922
431PRV_int_01537.6382Mm-hm.538.0098
432PRV_se0_ag2_f_02538.7886Mm-hm.539.5329
433PRV_int_01539.5515So your grandfather owned a barbershop?541.6934
434PRV_se0_ag2_f_02541.9415Yeah.542.4518
435PRV_int_01542.4661You- you- he was a barber?543.7961
436PRV_se0_ag2_f_02543.8706He was a [barber.]544.5839
437PRV_int_01544.5529[And-] and it was right next to the church you said?546.4696
438PRV_se0_ag2_f_02546.4634Uh-huh, but its- it started in this store549.1138
439PRV_int_01549.5418Mm.549.7527
440PRV_se0_ag2_f_02549.7651down in Speed. He actually started551.4807
442 551.8425in, uh, never have a store cutting hair.554.0903 
444 554.9836It was a little place right beside,556.5343 
446 557.1049the store.557.7190 
447PRV_int_01557.7252Uh-huh.558.1532
448PRV_se0_ag2_f_02558.6681They used to use for a barber-559.9353
449PRV_int_01560.1027Oh okay.560.7106
450PRV_se0_ag2_f_02561.0146uh, as a barbershop.562.1869
452 562.6087Until you know, made enough money and- and had his own barber built.566.0554 
453PRV_int_01566.6920Right next to the church.567.6907
454PRV_se0_ag2_f_02567.6907Mm-hm.568.0877
455PRV_int_01568.0939Oh wow, okay.569.1235
456PRV_se0_ag2_f_02569.2786Well that's where his- his land was <clap>. [Right next to] the church.572.1338
457PRV_int_01571.0917[Okay.]571.4825
458 572.2082Hm.572.5680
459PRV_se0_ag2_f_02572.8719Mm-hm.573.3371
460PRV_int_01573.9698Now, you're grandfather's name was575.6322
462 575.9485what?576.2773 
463PRV_se0_ag2_f_02576.3021It was /RD-NAME-2/.577.4142
465 577.6499/RD-NAME-5/.578.9960 
467 580.1311Mm.580.6211 
468PRV_int_01580.6583Mm.581.0925
470 581.4027And he- he was a barber for most of his life? Or was he also a sharecropper or?585.6845 
471PRV_se0_ag2_f_02586.0070He was- well he did farm work too, but he was a barber most all his life.590.3012
473 590.9711Mm-hm.591.6100 
475 591.9202Yeah he had much influence593.5267 
477 594.5440on me too [<laugh>].595.9539 
478PRV_int_01595.4576[Really?]595.8608
479PRV_se0_ag2_f_02596.1196I am /missing out/ a lot of him. [<laugh>]597.8644
480PRV_int_01597.6473[Oh you alright.] [/inaudible./]599.3530
481PRV_se0_ag2_f_02598.3978[<laugh>]599.0243
483 599.3530Yeah he had much influence on me too,601.5716 
484 601.7995[cause.]602.3074
485PRV_int_01601.8422[Hm.]602.3136
486PRV_se0_ag2_f_02602.8781Yeah, [cause he],603.9310
487PRV_int_01603.3495[What ways?]604.0132
488PRV_se0_ag2_f_02604.2416um,604.7576
490 605.1542having a business, you [know.]606.7859 
491PRV_int_01606.5936[Okay.]606.9968
492PRV_se0_ag2_f_02607.1599Um, had his own business. And-609.2813
494 609.8581and, um,610.6707 
496 611.5887he could tell you a lot about, um,613.3321 
498 614.1772a few things. You know, [um,]615.6907 
499PRV_int_01615.5109[Mm-hm.]615.9811
500PRV_se0_ag2_f_02617.3468in finance, and in uh,619.3321
502 620.3260And, um,620.9773 
504 623.9733A lot about business. The [/handling/] business wise.626.1400 
505PRV_int_01625.2468[Hm.]625.4700
506PRV_se0_ag2_f_02626.3260Mm-hm.626.8967
507PRV_int_01627.4061He was also [a-]628.1356
508PRV_se0_ag2_f_02627.9512[And] get- try to get ahead in your life, you [know.]630.0540
509PRV_int_01629.7798[Yeah.]630.1136
510PRV_se0_ag2_f_02630.4075Mm-hm.630.8045
511PRV_int_01631.4332So you always632.3251
513 632.4819when you visit your grandfather.634.0380 
515 634.6273Your grandfather and your-635.9704 
517 636.4064and your father637.3321 
519 638.2020have always had business in Princeville and been part of community here.641.6508 
521 642.2525Through the church and-643.3321 
523 644.1337and through, uh, the barbershop and what not.646.7576 
524PRV_se0_ag2_f_02647.0243Yeah, [yeah], mm-hm.649.0358
525PRV_int_01647.8744[Mkay.]648.1850
526 649.2343Um,649.6623
527PRV_int_03651.4612What-651.7369
528PRV_int_01651.7591Uh,651.9326
530 652.8878were you about to say?653.6570 
531PRV_int_03654.4571Uh, should we ask about the flood?655.5974
532PRV_int_01655.7720Yeah, I was gonna [say, /now, the-/ the flood is-]658.3565
533PRV_se0_ag2_f_02656.4544[Oh, okay. And, um],658.3714
534 658.4970[<laugh>]659.0056
535PRV_int_01658.5404[Still] a little bit. [Well, okay] so you went to business school. And then you said you worked for an insurance company?663.5213
536PRV_se0_ag2_f_02659.7375[okay.]660.2462
537 663.6205[Uh-huh.]664.0609
538PRV_int_01663.7191[Yeah?]664.0733
539PRV_se0_ag2_f_02664.5404And-664.7637
540PRV_int_01664.5590[And] then uh,665.3219
541 665.6755so you moved to actual Princeville, in eighty-six?668.3862
542PRV_se0_ag2_f_02668.7273[Mm-hm.]669.2484
543PRV_int_01668.7521[Tell] me about that time.669.9183
544 670.3729And, uh,671.2537
546 671.7251and you've been working at the insurance company-674.0140 
547PRV_se0_ag2_f_02674.1132Ever [since.]674.9258
548PRV_int_01674.8110[Ever] since.675.4655
549PRV_se0_ag2_f_02675.4717And you know it, like yeah.676.6768
551 676.7971/RD-WORK-11/ you know, that's the oldest and largest black insurance company681.4531 
553 681.8748[in the world.]682.3714 
554PRV_int_01681.8891[Oh I did-] Oh I didn't know that.683.2165
555PRV_se0_ag2_f_02683.2351Yeah.683.5514
556PRV_int_01684.0963/RD-WORK-8/685.2324
557PRV_int_03686.4048<clears throat> let me check this tape real quick.688.1091
558PRV_int_01688.1091Alright.688.5953
559 694.9684So that's-695.5514
560PRV_se0_ag2_f_02696.6928<clears throat>697.3999
561PRV_int_01698.0698That's, uh, that's always been like699.6391
563 699.8891a-700.1868 
565 701.0019kind of the example of Princeville. Just having703.1332 
567 703.8403black owned businesses, and black run.705.7384 
569 706.4473[/So-/]706.7203 
570PRV_se0_ag2_f_02706.6458Oh yeah and the- and also the lawyer of /RD-NAME-4/710.1442
571PRV_int_01710.2001Okay.710.6653
572PRV_se0_ag2_f_02710.6839I forgot about him, uh, yeah.712.7265
573PRV_int_01712.9808What was [the] name of the doctor, uh, that you were saying?715.4557
574PRV_se0_ag2_f_02713.2909[Uh.]713.4584
575 715.8093Dr. /RD-NAME-2/.716.8018
577 717.7588/RD-NAME-7/.719.9732 
579 720.7858Dr. /RD-NAME-2/.721.7038 
581 722.0574That's- that's who,723.2608 
583 723.6081um,724.0423 
585 725.9644<ts>726.0271 
587 726.0973a lot of the people went to the doctor /here/ and-728.5102 
588PRV_int_01728.5474Okay.729.0995
589PRV_se0_ag2_f_02729.3600Um,729.8314
591 730.7474/RD-NAME-3/ knows all the doctors too, but733.4867 
592PRV_int_01735.1199[Now /RD-NAME-4/.]736.3633
593PRV_se0_ag2_f_02735.5709[We had to help give] him business too you know.737.5639
594PRV_int_01738.3764/RD-NAME-4/ was739.5612
596 740.4234/RD-NAME-3/741.2235 
598 741.5523of the lawyer.742.3714 
600 742.6582He was [/very-/]743.4522 
601PRV_se0_ag2_f_02743.2041[And-] and /RD-NAME-4/.744.6556
602PRV_int_01745.5116They were both [lawyers?]746.5598
603PRV_se0_ag2_f_02746.4296[Mm-hm.]747.0002
604PRV_int_01747.1305Oh, okay.747.8190
606 750.3826So you- so you stayed here and then when did you get involved with the-, uh,754.4079 
608 754.5874the town council?755.6507 
609PRV_se0_ag2_f_02756.3855<ts>756.4510
611 756.7759Oh I just got elected last year.759.1367 
612PRV_int_01759.2856Really?759.6453
613PRV_se0_ag2_f_02759.7446Uh-huh.760.1000
614PRV_int_01760.1124Oh.760.4908
615PRV_se0_ag2_f_02760.5466Um.761.0366
617 763.9382I don't want to jump, but, um, yeah. You want me to start with the [flood?]767.9732 
618PRV_int_01767.4708[Oh yeah], we can start with the flood. And you remember, um, what you were doing at that time? When you heard about the flood [coming?]774.1175
619PRV_se0_ag2_f_02773.8616[Okay], um.775.2510
620 777.1587This was like, um,778.4846
622 779.5949a Wednesday night when it started raining.782.7211 
623PRV_int_01782.8514Mm-hm.783.3538
624PRV_se0_ag2_f_02783.5895So bad i- it rained that night. It's raining more than I had ever seen.787.9644
626 788.2931And, um.789.1491 
628 789.4549And where I stayed,790.5094 
630 791.5452I was in a low level of Princeville.793.9209 
631PRV_int_01794.2311Oh, okay.794.8488
632PRV_se0_ag2_f_02795.5523So normally-796.5404
633PRV_int_01796.7761Are you far from the /road/?797.9146
635 798.0415Are you-798.5817 
637 798.7925are you [/staying-/]799.3966 
638PRV_se0_ag2_f_02799.0960Um.799.9271
639 800.8824Well, y- you-801.8190
641 802.9064Okay right behind my house,804.8789 
643 805.3337there's a big field, then they'll go two fifty eight, and then right across two fifty eight is the dyke, so.810.1302 
644PRV_int_01810.0907Oh wow, so you're [pretty close.]811.8057
645PRV_se0_ag2_f_02811.0820[Yeah.]811.4923
646 812.0166Yeah.812.4697
647PRV_int_01812.4554Okay.812.9826
648PRV_se0_ag2_f_02813.8232And um,814.4815
650 814.6638<clears throat>815.1084 
652 816.1976<ts>816.3629 
654 816.6877Yeah, that night it rained so hard.819.7639 
656 821.8490So I said, /see now it's working matter how- cause I say-/ my car, I'm gonna have to get out, and-827.0223 
658 827.5130So I'm'a be able to work, so I say, I better-829.6289 
660 830.2944I'll go to my mom and daddy house.832.0078 
662 832.3996And,832.8322 
664 833.4432and they move here a lot834.8717 
666 836.0037earlier than I did.837.3229 
668 837.9921They move over here back in840.1064 
670 841.5381eighty th-842.1978 
672 842.8741three, I think.843.6839 
674 844.7120They done- they moved in Princeville in eighty three.846.8289 
676 847.2563But anyway, they was on high-848.3905 
678 848.6754higher ground than I was.850.0888 
680 850.4934So I said, well I'm'a851.5770 
682 851.9902take me a few things,853.1424 
684 853.7825and uh, go and stay with them overnight, and hopefully this sun-857.4658 
686 857.7498excuse me, the sun come out and help859.3883 
688 860.0295the water go down. Dissolve the water.861.8653 
690 863.4696<ts>863.5266 
692 863.9227So, um,864.8088 
694 866.5106that Thursday, sun came out so nice and pretty.869.7023 
696 870.9988And um,871.8287 
698 872.8839so I think everybody in Princeville was trying to um,875.8154 
700 878.6919The water wasn't879.5670 
702 879.9778like I said, the water wasn't high, but882.4261 
704 882.6039basically on my side of town because uh,885.0391 
706 885.5703I even had to go get my dog.887.3553 
707PRV_int_01887.5718Mm.887.8824
708PRV_se0_ag2_f_02888.3754Cause uh, so he <laugh>889.9341
710 890.4955cause when I got there, he was standing on top of his dog [house.]893.0294 
711PRV_int_01892.8271[Mm-hm.]893.1520
712PRV_int_03893.0893<laugh>893.6451
713PRV_se0_ag2_f_02894.3374And- and I- well sh- he's a German She- he was a German Shepherd.897.5738
714PRV_int_01897.7091Mm-hm.898.1401
715PRV_se0_ag2_f_02898.2676<ts>898.3275
717 899.4787And uh, so I had to w- I knew I had to901.6149 
719 901.7862pull up my pant leg and walk through the water to go get him, right.904.8193 
720PRV_int_01905.0531Mm-hm.905.5057
721PRV_se0_ag2_f_02905.7627<ts>905.8339
723 906.2699And uh, I brought him over to my mom house.908.6478 
725 909.0974And I tied him up on the side of-910.9382 
727 911.1918from her house,912.1438 
729 912.5489that Thursday913.6602 
731 914.1522and uh, she was raking the yard.916.1883 
733 916.5193You know, cause we thought917.6117 
735 918.6733all the water, you know,919.7561 
737 919.8615it- it had stopped raining, because921.2222 
739 921.8891it didn't appear to be no-923.1466 
741 923.2882no more rain.924.1148 
743 924.3202And um,924.9929 
745 925.7490so I worked926.3846 
747 926.5749some of that day, but I didn't know it was928.3367 
749 928.7082anything was gonna flood. Even went back930.4007 
751 930.8317to my mom house that evening after work (laughing).933.8078 
752PRV_int_01933.9804Uh-huh.934.3113
753PRV_se0_ag2_f_02934.5389And I just saw a f-935.6474
755 936.0007f- um,936.6532 
757 936.8584<ts>936.9525 
759 937.6493it's a few puddles of water in the road.939.9452 
761 940.6205And like I said, oh that gonna be gone, you know, after a while.943.8755 
763 944.4796So that Thursday night, I, uh,946.5911 
765 948.2987um,948.7147 
767 948.9085we all went to bed. I charged my phone up. (laughing)951.9461 
769 953.1579And I-953.9438 
771 956.5289We didn't hear nothing.957.4721 
773 957.8205We didn't know nothing.959.0617 
775 959.8864And uh,960.6178 
777 961.3088but I know that morning,962.8413 
779 963.7881I heard my, uh,964.9201 
781 965.5435dog just barking967.0395 
783 967.5153/drastically/ that Friday morning.969.2856 
785 969.8328That dog was- he was barking971.5168 
787 972.1808worst I ever heard him bark before. I said, what in the world going on? So I gets up,976.9630 
789 977.6270water is coming,979.1123 
791 979.2919everywhere. (laughing)980.4345 
792PRV_int_01980.1211Hm.980.5197
793PRV_se0_ag2_f_02981.5886And I called her, holler at my mom, that my mom was in the kitchen though. She was up. But she didn't notice nothing. She was in the kitchen cooking breakfast.988.9875
795 989.6031And, uh,990.4753 
797 990.7408my dad, he was like back in his room, but he was, like, reading the bible.994.3512 
798PRV_int_01994.5250Mm.994.8857
799PRV_se0_ag2_f_02995.3692<ts>995.4291
801 995.9648And, uh,996.7368 
803 998.7117and so999.2845 
805 999.5410I w- I was looking on the front porch, I saw1001.7957 
807 1002.2456debris and trash can flowing.1005.1968 
808PRV_int_011005.3422Mm.1005.6027
809PRV_se0_ag2_f_021006.2519And water1007.3782
811 1007.9690was, you know, started1009.3164 
813 1009.8071coming everywhere.1010.8494 
815 1011.4445And so I get on my mom f- house phone1014.5334 
817 1014.9238so the phone is disconnected.1016.7967 
818PRV_int_011016.9905Oh.1017.2430
819PRV_se0_ag2_f_021017.4412So, I use my h- cell phone.1019.5979
821 1019.7089Which I'm glad I brought my c- my phone.1021.5049 
823 1021.9864And uh,1022.6960 
825 1023.8101I was calling around tryna find out what's happening, so I called to my sister house,1028.0823 
827 1028.3388but she stay sh- well she stay over in- in Tarboro.1031.3657 
829 1032.2662And, uh,1033.0760 
831 1034.3122but my uh, cousin, she was over there.1036.6362 
832PRV_int_011036.7892[Mm-hm.]1037.3071
833PRV_se0_ag2_f_021037.0428[My first] cousin.1037.8349
834 1038.4162/RD-NAME-3/, she um,1039.9459
836 1040.5649answered the phone.1041.6127 
838 1042.1755I said, what's going on? I said, uh,1044.3974 
840 1044.9766we not getting no more rain /are we/?1046.7684 
842 1046.9350She said, no!1048.3237 
844 1048.9306She said, no.1049.9942 
846 1050.6831Said but you all gonna have to get out of there. I said, what you mean?1053.4821 
848 1054.6960Said don't you see a lot of water around here. I said,1057.0590 
850 1057.3212that's what I'm calling about.1058.4182 
852 1059.1620And uh, she said,1060.2020 
854 1060.4300it's a flood coming.1061.7826 
856 1063.2489I said where all the water coming from? And she said,1065.5115 
858 1065.8705from- from Raleigh way. That what she told me say <laugh>.1068.5321 
860 1069.0998She said she don't really know what happened, but she got out that night.1072.2301 
862 1072.4829So y'all didn't- cause they was staying in Princeville too.1074.5539 
864 1074.9506And she said um,1075.8682 
866 1075.9822well did you hear that1077.0536 
868 1077.5523that, um,1078.2040 
870 1078.4421the fire truck horn blowing?1080.3940 
872 1081.1947I said, no.1082.5155 
874 1083.4808And she said, they was- someone was speaking on- on loud speaker1086.6096 
876 1086.9266trying to get everybody out of Princeville because1089.0381 
878 1089.2576the flood was coming.1090.3183 
880 1091.0535<ts>1091.1162 
882 1091.3670And I said, what's flood?1092.8777 
884 1093.2790She said,1093.7507 
886 1093.9629girl, get off this phone,1095.1690 
887PRV_int_011095.2659<laugh>1095.6591
888PRV_se0_ag2_f_021095.6534and if you can't drive out, you gonna need to walk out.1098.8130
889 1100.4015And uh, so I was talk- and my mom and daddy were standing in the door while I'm-1103.7155
891 1103.9150in the doorway while I'm1105.2086 
893 1105.3654on the phone. And she said, well what's going- They asking me what's going on?1108.2812 
895 1108.5377I said we got to get out of here.1109.8690 
897 1110.2196The- it's a flood1111.1600 
899 1111.3851coming in Princeville,1112.6731 
901 1112.8497and they don't know how1113.5609 
903 1114.2531deep it gonna be.1115.1834 
905 1115.7683And uh,1116.3182 
907 1116.4892and so my cousin had told me say,1118.0052 
909 1118.3728well in order for y'all get out early, she gonna call the1121.0749 
911 1121.3541r- um,1121.8670 
913 1122.1662<ts>1122.2261 
915 1123.6252the red cross, since my mom is a diabetic.1126.0763 
917 1126.5806And they wanted1127.1418 
919 1127.4042especially get those first, the ones that are under doctor care, right.1130.4425 
921 1130.9412And I said, well yeah,1132.1807 
923 1132.3346get somebody here quick.1133.3664 
925 1133.8164So, um, we were gonna try to um,1136.1079 
927 1137.0428walk on two hundred /RD-ADDRESS-5/ where my1139.0992 
929 1139.5568mom and dad stay.1140.6339 
939 1148.5360cut across out neighbor yard.1150.7487         
941 1151.4722Like I said, they was on higher ground.1153.2663 
945 1159.1325already to our knees,1159.9853   
947 1160.4640but my dad, before we left sh- he said, let us pray.1163.5864 
949 1163.8036<laugh>1164.0316 
951 1164.3821Seeing out there was a /lonely/ prayer, I told him,1166.3645 
953 1166.7537look we gotta get out- (laughing) I said please tell god, we got to go,1170.1995 
955 1170.5732cause (laughing)1171.4765 
957 1171.7216I said I know he understands1173.6771 
959 1174.2812So, uh, (laughing)1175.3740 
961 1176.3157so in a way,1177.2271 
963 1177.5183but he was gonna finish, when /gonna/ finish he said,1179.6932 
965 1179.9867because he is the highest being, he gonna take care of us.1182.3632 
967 1182.8997And so, um,1183.7602 
969 1184.2532my dad put on some boots.1185.6246 
971 1186.2507He gave my mom a pair of boots.1187.8471 
973 1188.2946I had a pair of boots.1189.5512 
974PRV_int_011189.4686/Okay/.1189.8105
975PRV_se0_ag2_f_021190.0299So uh, and then our next door neigh- uh, their next door neighbor that stay right beside them,1194.6498
977 1194.9917they was getting out at the same time we were.1196.9665 
979 1197.4245And um,1197.9574 
981 1198.6050uh, we had to walk1200.1352 
983 1201.1639to the corner of Otis Avenue, that's the street behind1203.9111 
985 1204.3618my mom and dad house.1205.7579 
987 1206.2881And a few other people was tryna1208.0099 
989 1208.9550walk, uh, down Otis Avenue,1210.9721 
991 1212.5518and so all us was tryna walk down Otis Avenue but,1215.3273 
993 1215.8951when we got halfway down,1217.7469 
995 1218.3884so much water was coming1219.7439 
997 1220.8940it got-1221.2729 
999 1221.5664me and my dad started /coming who-/ far as we walk, the deeper it was.1225.0683 
1000PRV_int_011225.0265Mm.1225.3190
1001PRV_se0_ag2_f_021225.6392So it got to our-1227.1620
1003 1227.9261our neck.1228.5827 
1004PRV_int_011229.4652Wow.1229.9760
1005PRV_se0_ag2_f_021230.4739So we had to walk back.1231.7736
1007 1232.6453And it's- and then some of the other ones said1234.6891 
1009 1234.9427well you walk back the water gonna still come together, see all /them haven't had/ come together1238.8119 
1011 1239.0598I said, well at least it give it time enough to come together1241.5576 
1013 1241.8679to give us more time1243.2242 
1015 1243.3253for someone else to come and save us.1244.9148 
1017 1245.2110Then we saw, uh, helicopters1247.0765 
1019 1247.9243flying over head.1248.7996 
1021 1249.0829We was trying to wave thems down, seem like they was getting the ones over on the rooftop, cause I did saw a few-1254.3991 
1023 1254.6110I could look down the street and see a few on- on- on the rooftop.1257.5129 
1024PRV_int_011257.5397Uh-huh.1257.9518
1025PRV_se0_ag2_f_021257.9442And uh, I did saw1259.7089
1026 1260.2389someone climbing /up/1261.4044
1028 1261.7549<ts>1261.8746 
1030 1262.1054uh, uh I guess it was a sheet, to try to get off of1264.5199 
1032 1264.7184something, trying to get1265.6510 
1034 1266.2174uh, uh, up on the roof.1268.0389