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1PRV_int_010.5579What you have to tell me, you know, about Princeville,2.8915
3 3.2635um,3.6705 
5 4.5415but uh,5.0906 
7 5.8290I guess6.3497 
9 6.7946we can start. W- You said you weren't-8.7380 
11 9.0315you uh-9.6800 
13 10.0681you weren't born in- in- in Princeville?11.5828 
14PRV_se0_ag2_m_0211.6065No not e- exactly in Princeville.13.4573
15PRV_int_0113.4573Okay you were born over [in Tarboro?]14.9625
16PRV_se0_ag2_m_0214.3499[/Inaudible/]15.1877
17PRV_int_0115.3534Okay.15.7699
19 16.1297And when did you move to uh, Princeville?18.3355 
20PRV_se0_ag2_m_0218.8656Um,19.5330
22 20.1294about20.7211 
24 21.1404twenty five to thirty years ago.22.7214 
25PRV_int_0123.0054Okay.23.4503
27 24.3213And how old were you then?25.4147 
28PRV_se0_ag2_m_0225.4336Forty two.26.0868
29PRV_int_0126.2620What?26.5318
30PRV_se0_ag2_m_0226.7238So I was27.2398
32 27.5049born here out-28.2953 
34 28.6352moved here at a young age29.9331 
35PRV_int_0130.1319[Okay.]30.6005
36PRV_se0_ag2_m_0230.3565[Yeah] but I was you know, raised in Edgecombe County, [went to] all the city schools.34.5957
37PRV_int_0132.9390[Okay.]33.4928
38 35.0595So, I'm sorry. You- you- you moved here when you were how [old?]37.5399
39PRV_se0_ag2_m_0237.3363[Uh-huh], probably about38.3972
40 38.6144ten or twelve, was that old.39.7484
41PRV_int_0139.8336Okay.40.2738
42PRV_se0_ag2_m_0240.2785Yeah. <laugh>41.0217
43PRV_int_0140.9033Alright.41.2015
44PRV_se0_ag2_m_0241.1826So I grew up around here in this area42.6973
45PRV_int_0142.7068Oh okay.43.5267
46PRV_se0_ag2_m_0243.9043all my life.44.5954
47PRV_int_0144.8510What- what part of uh, Princeville?46.9175
48PRV_se0_ag2_m_0247.1021Uh, right outside of Princeville. About a mile outside of Princeville, /unintelligible/ highway.51.0025
49PRV_int_0151.2088Okay.51.6300
51 52.0324Alright.52.4915 
53 52.8087Did you go to school [around-]53.9636 
54PRV_se0_ag2_m_0253.6749[I went] to /RD-SCHOOL-5/.54.8346
55PRV_int_0154.8156/RD-SCHOOL-5/.55.6675
56 55.8333Okay.56.2167
57PRV_se0_ag2_m_0256.0795/RD-SCHOOL-5/.56.8558
58PRV_int_0157.0972And uh, where'd you go to school before that?58.8371
59PRV_se0_ag2_m_0259.3151Um-60.2950
61 60.9292<laugh>61.2748 
63 62.0227<laugh> Never fails, /does it/?63.2581 
65 63.6415Um, /RD-SCHOOL-5/.64.8087 
66PRV_int_0165.0453Okay.65.4240
67PRV_se0_ag2_m_0265.4998Mm.65.8264
68PRV_int_0165.9731[Okay.]66.3092
69PRV_se0_ag2_m_0266.1198[/RD-SCHOOL-5/.]66.9671
70PRV_int_0167.1091Alright.67.4594
72 67.9327What was that like?68.6286 
74 68.7990Do your remember? Uh, yeah /?/-69.8572 
76 70.5010/?/70.8134 
78 71.0785You go way back there? [<laugh>]72.6689 
79PRV_se0_ag2_m_0272.4038[Aw] that was the day where you had to walk to school. [<laugh>]75.1540
80PRV_int_0174.6475[Okay.]75.1871
81 75.3528[Uh-]75.6652
82PRV_se0_ag2_m_0275.5401[Uh], <laugh> we had to walk to school based on the77.9873
83 78.4464distance you stay from the school?79.7008
84PRV_int_0179.6771Mm-hm.80.0179
85PRV_se0_ag2_m_0280.0132So we was in walking distance, so we had to walk to school during that time. But it was83.0406
86 83.8832uh- it was the old high school.85.2369
87PRV_int_0185.4594Oh [okay.]86.0463
88PRV_se0_ag2_m_0285.8286[And then] uh, so it was- it was um,87.8714
89 88.0466so fun. They- I don't remember a whole lot about those days, but um,90.8914
91 91.4073those /couple of/ days. [<laugh>]93.2155 
92PRV_int_0192.4534[Okay.]92.8321
93 93.3981Alright.93.7436
95 94.3590Do you- do you have a lot of95.3909 
97 95.8737friends that96.4370 
99 96.7446are from this97.4594 
100PRV_se0_ag2_m_0297.8002[Oh yeah.]98.1647
101PRV_int_0197.8097[area] that you went to [school with] at that [time?]99.7275
102PRV_se0_ag2_m_0298.6854[Yeah.]99.0640
104 99.4265[Yep.] Basically um,100.7235 
105 101.6560many of-102.1719
107 102.5411probably ninety eight percent of my friends are from right here in this area.105.0451 
108PRV_int_01105.2628[Okay.]105.6936
109PRV_se0_ag2_m_02105.2731[You know, /??/] so close to Tarboro so you all go to the same school.108.5254
110PRV_int_01108.6074Right.108.8866
111PRV_se0_ag2_m_02109.1849So you- you either see 'em in school or see 'em after school.112.0000
112PRV_int_01112.2407Yeah.112.4584
113PRV_se0_ag2_m_02112.5199You know, cause it's not like you're miles away your just feets away.115.1091
115 115.2653[You know? <laugh>]117.0593 
116PRV_int_01115.2653[Okay. <laugh>]116.2877
118 116.8510[Wow.]117.0735 
119PRV_se0_ag2_m_02117.5496So.117.9756
121 118.5152So we rode the s- rode the same busses and everything.120.5744 
122PRV_int_01120.6500Okay.121.0571
123PRV_se0_ag2_m_02121.2795Yeah.121.5257
124PRV_int_01121.4499So you said you started walk- you- when you-123.2439
125 123.5070m-123.6774
127 124.1318middle [school you just walked?]125.2205 
128PRV_se0_ag2_m_02124.4395[Yeah, middle school we had] to walk to school, but high school126.6424
129 126.8014cause of the distance we rode the bus.128.3303
130PRV_int_01128.4818Okay.128.8794
131PRV_se0_ag2_m_02128.7564You know,129.1303
132 129.4123cause that was like three miles.130.9507
133PRV_int_01131.2678Okay.131.6702
134PRV_se0_ag2_m_02131.5471You know.131.8926
135PRV_int_01132.5316How-132.7967
137 132.9813how long did you have to walk? How far did you have to walk to school?135.5272 
138PRV_se0_ag2_m_02135.5374Um, probably137.0690
140 137.8500almost138.3754 
142 138.6405not quite a mile, but140.0179 
144 141.7484probably half a mile.142.5625 
145PRV_int_01142.7282Mkay.143.0548
146PRV_se0_ag2_m_02143.1211You know.143.4335
147PRV_int_01144.3518Do- Is there anything that you remember the most about146.6901
149 147.2628Princeville? How it used to be back then or?149.3909 
150PRV_se0_ag2_m_02150.2287Um,150.7352
152 151.1423mem- remember the-152.1505 
154 152.5339this- the- the tales153.8450 
155PRV_int_01154.0419Okay.154.4726
156PRV_se0_ag2_m_02154.5436uh, when155.6844
158 155.7838before they built the dyke156.8393 
159PRV_int_01156.9292[Mm-hm.]157.2606
160PRV_se0_ag2_m_02157.1801[um]157.5919
161 157.7434back when they released it to um,159.9614
163 160.1413slaves,160.7471 
164PRV_int_01160.8465Mm-hm.161.2110
165PRV_se0_ag2_m_02161.2962um, where they got the name Freedom Hill.163.2511
166PRV_int_01163.3174Mkay.163.7292
167PRV_se0_ag2_m_02163.8523And uh, they used to talk /over here/165.6794
169 165.8856many stories about how the town used to have like a hard rain, it used to flood169.5162 
170PRV_int_01169.6393[Mkay.]169.9963
171PRV_se0_ag2_m_02169.8428[all] the time, [so] it's been flooded, it's nothing new172.4111
172PRV_int_01170.4913[Mm-hm.]170.7496
173 172.5341Right.172.8229
174PRV_se0_ag2_m_02172.8702except for I think there was- there was never175.0334
176 175.4026to this /mass/.176.4518 
178 176.6333[You know?] But um,177.4190 
179PRV_int_01176.6428[Yeah.]176.9315
180PRV_se0_ag2_m_02177.7957they- it's nothing new to see them with water up this way180.7683
181PRV_int_01180.9056Yeah.181.1659
182PRV_se0_ag2_m_02181.1517back in those days. I've heard many many tales about that. That's why you don't see a lot of houses back towards the river anymore [now because] of that.187.1423
183PRV_int_01186.3707[Okay.]186.7210
184 187.4215[Okay.]187.8049
185PRV_se0_ag2_m_02187.6440[You know.]187.9938
186 188.6191So those- some of those tales that they used to hear- they used to tell us about [/inaudible/.]192.1950
187PRV_int_01191.5944[Yeah.]191.9920
188 192.6642You- you remember specific stories that your parents told you or?196.1981
189PRV_se0_ag2_m_02197.5329Uh,198.2192
191 200.1741that- other than that used to be201.8119 
193 202.3022the grocery store here at-203.4382 
195 203.6891right here at- right beside the fire station [sort of?]205.8949 
196PRV_int_01205.4689[Okay.]205.8854
197PRV_se0_ag2_m_02206.4203And it used to be a dance club <laugh> on what- on two fifty eight.209.6560
198PRV_int_01209.7824/?/.209.9800
199PRV_se0_ag2_m_02209.9826So it wasn't210.4606
201 210.7683that many people probably in town. [At that] time, you probably were talking about214.2454 
202PRV_int_01212.5386[Yeah.]212.8226
203 214.2596Okay.214.5152
204PRV_se0_ag2_m_02214.5247five hundred people.215.4240
206 215.9873Uh,216.4938 
208 216.8251little- little more than that?217.9138 
210 218.0937About a thousand or so.219.0688 
212 219.7389There was really nothing over here.221.3672 
213PRV_int_01221.5944[Right.]221.9400
214PRV_se0_ag2_m_02221.6181[Everything] was222.2524
215 222.4512across town.223.1470
216PRV_int_01223.2985[Oh okay.]223.8665
217PRV_se0_ag2_m_02223.4121[So] uh, anything you really wanted to do you had to go across to town of Tarboro cause it was a small- small- just a small community228.7872
218PRV_int_01228.9482Yeah.229.2322
219PRV_se0_ag2_m_02229.2322at that time,229.9469
220PRV_int_01229.9801[Oh okay.]230.3919
221PRV_se0_ag2_m_02230.1741[you know.]230.5291
222 230.6096So that- that's all we had.231.7456
224 232.1602It's just now is starting to expand.233.8500 
225PRV_int_01233.9684Mm-hm.234.4038
226PRV_se0_ag2_m_02234.5364You know,234.9624
228 235.1659so it's on the rise now, but back in those days it was /different/.238.2549 
230 239.0311Probably just240.4748 
232 240.9198like I say, a thousand people in the cemetery,242.5954 
233PRV_int_01242.8179[Okay.]243.3102
234PRV_se0_ag2_m_02242.8558[you know], which is uh,243.9539
235 244.1555old- old cemetery [down the] street. And then so, that all was here.247.2653
236PRV_int_01245.1116[Mm-hm.]245.4802
237 247.5493There wasn't even the uh- the stores that we [see now?]250.2123
238PRV_se0_ag2_m_02249.6821[No.]249.9377
240 250.1886There were no stores on that street during- during that [time.]253.2322 
241PRV_int_01253.0760[Oh okay.]253.6014
242PRV_se0_ag2_m_02253.6582Th- the only store I remember was255.2676
244 255.4312this one right here called256.5673 
246 257.1400/unintelligible/.257.8027 
248 258.3660Y- yeah, people called it /Benny's Store/.260.0227 
249PRV_int_01260.2404[Okay.]260.5859
250PRV_se0_ag2_m_02260.4439[/It was a/] real real old store. [After] the flood, he didn't- he didn't reopen after the flood.264.4086
251PRV_int_01261.9851[Oh.]262.2407
252 264.4985After the ninety nine?265.7150
253PRV_se0_ag2_m_02265.6819Yeah, he didn't reopen, but it's the building right here beside.268.1413
254 269.0453That was the only store you had to go to.270.6831
255PRV_int_01270.7588Yeah.271.0239
256PRV_se0_ag2_m_02271.0760<laugh>271.8475
258 272.3777You know?272.8037 
259PRV_int_01272.6522Uh, even for- so how'd you get around? Basically you had to go to Tarboro or?276.4938
260PRV_se0_ag2_m_02276.5032Oh yeah, you uh,277.7671
262 278.2120walked.278.6712 
263PRV_int_01279.2182Yeah.279.4454
264PRV_se0_ag2_m_02279.9188Many- /tenant/ people call it walked for a time. <laugh>282.5695
265PRV_int_01281.7554[/Hella chill/.]282.4180
266PRV_se0_ag2_m_02282.8393Rode bikes,283.5446
268 283.8144um,284.3824 
270 284.9694very few people had a lot of car- [you] know, had car, you know, so you basically walked288.8251 
271PRV_int_01287.2583[Yeah.]287.5471
272 288.9624Okay.289.2985
273PRV_se0_ag2_m_02289.5635Yeah.289.9375
274PRV_int_01290.0416I remember at the town hall meeting someone mentioned a-292.4016
276 293.1542Let me make sure my levels are here.294.6689 
278 295.2511Um,295.7434 
280 297.6726so uh-297.9993 
282 298.2170uh-298.6051 
284 298.8844somebody was saying there isn't a whole lot to do for- for young people.302.2830 
286 302.6806Uh, like on playgrounds and stuff like that.305.0643 
287PRV_se0_ag2_m_02305.1021No, there's uh-306.5080
288PRV_int_01306.8251[Was there-]307.4073
289PRV_se0_ag2_m_02306.8772[there's not a-]307.4121
290PRV_int_01308.1457Was there a lot to do back-309.1445
292 309.3460back309.5705 
294 309.9141[when you were growing] [up?]310.7755 
295PRV_se0_ag2_m_02309.9614[Nothing.]310.4679
297 310.5767[Well] you know, /that's then/. [You know.] <laugh>312.6405 
298PRV_int_01311.5944[Okay.]312.0914
299PRV_se0_ag2_m_02312.7872So we do have a tennis court314.1363
300PRV_int_01314.3635Right.314.6333
301PRV_se0_ag2_m_02314.6617uh, and basketball court now that we didn't have then.317.2583
302PRV_int_01317.3246Uh-huh.317.6938
303PRV_se0_ag2_m_02317.9163So there's a little bit more to do but um,320.0889
305 320.7280yeah, it was- there was nothing to do.322.0987 
306PRV_int_01322.1791Oh.322.3921
307PRV_se0_ag2_m_02322.4537You know, there was absolutely nothing to do. You either had to go to the town of Tarboro325.5257
308PRV_int_01325.6535Mm-hm.325.9943
309PRV_se0_ag2_m_02325.9564or pretty much stayed at home327.3717
310PRV_int_01327.5705[Mkay.]327.9304
311PRV_se0_ag2_m_02327.7720[and] mind your own business.328.6051
312PRV_int_01328.7187[Okay (laughing).]329.4003
313PRV_se0_ag2_m_02329.1116[And uh-] <laugh> um-330.5364
314 330.6452but330.8914
316 331.3221sad to say, but back in those days, you could333.1046 
318 334.0513leave your door open.334.7945 
319PRV_int_01334.9507Okay.335.3199
320PRV_se0_ag2_m_02335.7696And trust your neighbors [and-] and you sleep with your door open. We actually done that.339.4596
321PRV_int_01336.7683[Yeah.]336.9908
322 339.5232Oh okay.340.0000
323PRV_se0_ag2_m_02340.0087But you can't do that now.341.4429
324PRV_int_01341.6228You- oh okay.342.0157
325PRV_se0_ag2_m_02341.9873But [<laugh>]343.0381
326PRV_int_01342.4796[<laugh>]343.9611
327PRV_se0_ag2_m_02343.3695[<laugh> you could] do- actually could- you know, could do that.346.0000
328PRV_int_01346.0040Yeah.346.2454
329PRV_se0_ag2_m_02346.6477So uh,347.2205
331 347.4382we do have a few little more hang out spots now. You got the grocery store on Main Street for a little bit more activity wise [than] we do in-353.6181 
332PRV_int_01352.9554[Mm.]353.2489
333PRV_se0_ag2_m_02353.9968heck, now you got a carwash you didn't have before.355.9414
334PRV_int_01356.0085Mkay.356.3871
335PRV_se0_ag2_m_02356.4581You know, so we do have that. And we're gonna get a park358.9412
336PRV_int_01359.0737Oh okay.359.7459
337PRV_se0_ag2_m_02359.6938you know, down here on um,361.2322
338 361.6866/??/ riverside, the old trailer park back there, that's where the dyke first burst?365.0027
339PRV_int_01365.0359Uh-huh.365.3909
340PRV_se0_ag2_m_02365.4145They-365.7175
342 365.8500They didn't bring that back but we're gonna get a park out there [sponsored] by Lowe's.369.2297 
343PRV_int_01368.2309[Oh.]368.4865
344 369.3650Oh wow, [okay.]370.3543
345PRV_se0_ag2_m_02370.0182[Yep.]370.3637
346PRV_int_01370.8797So [that's-]371.3483
347PRV_se0_ag2_m_02370.9849[From the old] A and T University.372.7283
348PRV_int_01373.0286Oh wow.373.4973
350 374.4061Well it sh- should be uh-375.8498 
352 376.1413should be a lot to do.377.0690 
354 380.0700Do you- so wait,381.0735 
356 381.4360so uh,382.0087 
358 382.4631when you were growing up,383.3104 
360 383.7128it-384.2003 
362 384.4038they uh-385.0429 
364 385.8239there wasn't a whole386.6664 
366 386.8747lot to do so what did- did- do you remember anything you guys used to do, get creative and to have fun around here?392.5244 
367PRV_se0_ag2_m_02392.6712Um,393.3717
369 394.5247we just played with- well,395.8690 
371 396.3092Tarboro had its own park. We would go over there to uh,398.7564 
373 398.9788place called East Side Home.400.1223 
374PRV_int_01400.2407Mkay.400.6193
375PRV_se0_ag2_m_02400.6525And cause that was the closest p- place you could go to in walking distance. [And uh], we used to go there.404.7090
376PRV_int_01403.5162[Mm-hm.]403.9138
377PRV_se0_ag2_m_02405.0289Most of us405.6774
379 406.0655been ove- uh,406.9915 
381 407.2394used to go to the407.9163 
383 408.6452black clinic cause it's right across the bridge [cause it's] closest,411.1776 
384PRV_int_01410.4392[Mm.]410.6475
385 411.4190[Okay.]411.6490
386PRV_se0_ag2_m_02411.4218[and there was a]411.8856
387 412.1744uh, black doctor at the time and he413.8074
389 414.3328was very very cheap415.1659 
390PRV_int_01415.5115Okay.415.8286
391PRV_se0_ag2_m_02415.8097you know, so he-416.7185
392 416.9836he looked out for us.417.7673
393PRV_int_01417.8478Oh right.418.1933
394PRV_se0_ag2_m_02418.2028You know, so we- we just go to the park, uh, play on the monkey bars and421.9801
396 422.5102um,423.0735 
398 423.2818just meet new friends. That's- play in the sand, in the dirt. Go to the pool, did a lot of swimming then. [/inaudible/] we did a lot of swimming. That's probably why we429.5374 
399PRV_int_01427.2559[Okay.]427.8097
400PRV_se0_ag2_m_02429.9735some good [swimmers] now. [/inaudible/ used to] do a lot of swimming.432.5532
401PRV_int_01430.3427[Yeah.]430.5462
403 431.0290[Mkay (laughing).]431.7438 
404 432.6289Ah.432.9745
405PRV_se0_ag2_m_02433.1780Uh,433.6608
407 433.9401played street basketball,434.9814 
408PRV_int_01435.0788Oh.435.4007
409PRV_se0_ag2_m_02435.4007go in people's backyard and just create our own basketball court. [You know], we just played uh, what we called sandlot football at the time, but you just442.0161
410PRV_int_01437.8242[Okay.]438.1698
411PRV_se0_ag2_m_02442.3285get together and just443.0101
413 443.5450throw the football and whoever get it get it. [And] sort of, throw things like that, so we really kind of enjoyed going to school.448.7876 
414PRV_int_01445.4289[Uh.]445.7791
415 448.8302Yeah.449.2326
416PRV_se0_ag2_m_02449.2941You know, cause it was450.0514
418 450.2124a time where you got to uh, see new people [and]- and different people you don't see during the day cause it's like,455.1111 
419PRV_int_01452.3499[Uh.]452.6386
420PRV_se0_ag2_m_02455.6633you over here and they over there.457.0739
421PRV_int_01457.0833Right.457.3673
422PRV_se0_ag2_m_02457.4194You know, so that's how- that's how it actually was at the time.460.0539
424 460.4184I don't know remember anything about um-461.9000 
426 462.8940about the bussing situation, but I heard tales about it. But uh,465.4044 
428 466.1770yeah, I wasn't riding the bus at the time so I really wouldn't know anything about that [/?/.]469.6703 
429PRV_int_01469.3531[Mm.]469.6466
430PRV_se0_ag2_m_02469.9638[/But you know/]470.4844
431PRV_int_01469.9780[But you heard] tales [of-]471.2500
432PRV_se0_ag2_m_02470.8942[Ooh yeah,]471.3960
433 471.5522uh, how you,472.4941
435 472.7450you know, you couldn't ride the bus,473.8770 
436PRV_int_01474.0088Mm.474.3260
437PRV_se0_ag2_m_02474.3639you know, and- and whatnot, so I don't- but I /just/- weren't born at that time. [When I was born] you could ride the bus.479.0054
438PRV_int_01477.8267[/So-/]478.1723
439 479.3840[Your just talking about] the public bus-480.5911
440PRV_se0_ag2_m_02479.4077[/Inaudible/]479.8053
442 480.4964Right, [right, the public busses.]481.7507 
443PRV_int_01480.7851[Right, not the-]481.6040
444PRV_se0_ag2_m_02481.9827The s-482.2099
445PRV_int_01482.1626school [bus?]482.8300
446PRV_se0_ag2_m_02482.5744[school] busses483.2500
447PRV_int_01483.4386[Oh really?]484.0066
448PRV_se0_ag2_m_02483.6374[for the integrated] schools.484.6645
449PRV_int_01484.6409Oh so you had to [walk-]485.7907
450PRV_se0_ag2_m_02485.3793[Yeah.]485.6349
451 485.8668[Yeah, mm-hm.]486.5106
452PRV_int_01485.9378[You could- Oh okay.]486.7425
453PRV_se0_ag2_m_02486.8419[Matter] of fact, we had our own schools.488.4229
454PRV_int_01486.9271[Wow.]487.1638
455 488.5744Okay.488.9246
456PRV_se0_ag2_m_02489.1593[You know], we had489.7889
457PRV_int_01489.1877[Yeah.]489.4433
458PRV_se0_ag2_m_02490.0161uh, schools- /or/ /RD-SCHOOL-3/ then was at the all black school.493.1827
459PRV_int_01493.1827Okay.493.5093
461 493.7129Now [you went] to a all black school?495.0004 
462PRV_se0_ag2_m_02493.8312[/Yeah./]494.0774
463 495.0220No I didn't. [When I] went it was integrated.496.7356
464PRV_int_01495.6705[Oh.]495.9403
466 496.7214Okay. [So by the] time you went to [school-]498.3686 
467PRV_se0_ag2_m_02497.0148[/Back then/.]497.5118
469 498.2076[Mm-hm.] It was [already integrated.]499.4620 
470PRV_int_01498.8609[uh-]499.3200
471 499.6561Okay.500.0016
473 500.9984Do you remember any um-502.2101 
475 502.5273<ts>502.6456 
477 503.0716anything about going to school? Uh, the- was there any like tension or any- any s-507.9214 
479 508.2291anything-508.8965 
480PRV_se0_ag2_m_02509.1000I couldn't tell.510.0467
482 510.2455Um,510.7141 
484 510.9319my first school that I went to was the uh, af- elementary- /was/ /RD-SCHOOL-3/ which I walked to school there which was only probably a hundred yards516.8561 
485PRV_int_01516.7993Mm-hm.517.2443
486PRV_se0_ag2_m_02517.2490from my house.517.8786
488 517.9969So, uh, I don't remember-519.7699 
490 520.3285I can't remember any- treated any different522.3707 
492 522.8609you know, cause we all played523.9969 
494 524.3878together, so I [don't remember] anything. And at that age I probably wouldn't have cared.527.6870 
495PRV_int_01525.2256[Okay.]525.5901
496 527.8574Right?528.1934
497PRV_se0_ag2_m_02528.1272You know, [<laugh>] I probably wouldn't have noticed it, [so]530.2241
498PRV_int_01528.3544[<laugh>]528.8088
500 530.0064[Sure.]530.3708 
501PRV_se0_ag2_m_02530.6832um,531.1404
503 531.3913but as I got older I started to realize that533.6586 
505 534.3639you know, we were different.535.3815 
506PRV_int_01535.5661Yeah.535.8738
507PRV_se0_ag2_m_02535.8359And, you know, and we were treated different.537.8358
508PRV_int_01537.7936Really.538.1533
509PRV_se0_ag2_m_02538.2291You know? But uh, you know, that's539.9142
511 540.2597how they would deal with it.541.2253 
513 541.4809[You know what I] mean, /I mean/ we still treated different though.543.5948 
514PRV_int_01541.5661[Yeah.]541.8833
515 543.7179Sure.544.0871
517 545.0480Do you have any experiences you remember from-547.2537 
518PRV_se0_ag2_m_02547.6229Um,548.1484
520 549.0031not directly550.0539 
522 550.4137but550.7640 
524 551.8621I felt- that's my own personal feelings553.7933 
525PRV_int_01553.9117Mm-hm.554.2762
526PRV_se0_ag2_m_02554.2572of what I could see what would just be555.7699
527 556.3758here say556.9202
528PRV_int_01557.0811[Yeah.]557.3982
529PRV_se0_ag2_m_02557.1142[because] it could have been my thoughts.558.9109
530PRV_int_01558.9745Right.559.2679
531PRV_se0_ag2_m_02559.3626But I have never been560.5629
533 560.9984I never been561.8788 
535 562.0350called a name562.6172 
536PRV_int_01562.8302Oh really?563.3120
537PRV_se0_ag2_m_02563.2420that I can remember. Never had a name called. I've heard it,565.4620
538PRV_int_01565.6466Yeah.565.8880
539PRV_se0_ag2_m_02566.1010you know, and- and everything, but I never actually been called a name. I guess cause I was sort of a friendly guy.570.3875
540PRV_int_01570.4633Mkay.570.8135
541PRV_se0_ag2_m_02570.8183You know, so (laughing)571.5377
543 571.8691I sort of stayed-572.7542 
545 573.5995treated everybody the same, mind my own business.575.2610 
546PRV_int_01575.4077Yeah.575.6964
547PRV_se0_ag2_m_02575.8242You know, so I got along with everybody so I followed by example- /?/ a lot of name calling.579.9640
548PRV_int_01580.2054[Sure.]580.4941
549PRV_se0_ag2_m_02580.2953[But I] do- I did hear of some being called a n-582.7141
550 583.1780whatnot, and I did participate in uh,585.2871
552 586.0871some of the school- We did have one incident when I was in that- at high school where we done felt that black students was being591.8315 
554 592.3332treated different because it seemed like there was more blacks being suspended595.8549 
555PRV_int_01596.3472Mm.596.5649
556PRV_se0_ag2_m_02596.6170than there were597.2777
558 597.5143whites,597.9212 
560 598.0681so um,598.6693 
562 598.8728we had a protest about that.600.6053 
563PRV_int_01600.6147Oh wow.601.0455
564PRV_se0_ag2_m_02601.1117And got some results602.3661
566 602.6386behind that.603.2682 
568 603.5096Uh, so that said, that's-604.9296 
570 605.2562that one event I just can't seem to get out of my head. [<laugh>]608.1105 
571PRV_int_01607.1259[Yeah, okay.]608.1436
572PRV_se0_ag2_m_02608.2383<laugh> You know,608.6312
574 608.8611[So,]609.3013 
575PRV_int_01608.8753[Totally.]609.3865
576PRV_se0_ag2_m_02609.5759I didn't really know what I was participating in but I knew when I [got there what] the rally was all [about. You know], so I didn't- I weren't615.2635
577PRV_int_01612.1414[<laugh>]612.6337
579 613.5283[Mkay.]614.0632 
580PRV_se0_ag2_m_02615.4717the ring leader or [anything, but uh], the ring leader is- is- has passed on now, but619.2490
581PRV_int_01616.4089[Y- yeah.]617.0338
582 619.3153Yeah.619.5567
583PRV_se0_ag2_m_02619.6845uh, things changed after that [though.]621.3155
584PRV_int_01621.1025[Okay.]621.5617
585PRV_se0_ag2_m_02622.1486Yeah, things changes after that.623.5118
587 624.0514Uh,624.6479 
589 625.0691I don't re- I do remember626.7948 
591 627.5333that main street store, so I can't remember that a little bit [there-]630.4112 
592PRV_int_01630.1698[Mm.]630.4349
593PRV_se0_ag2_m_02630.8230there was631.3863
595 632.0300stores that was black only, a store that was white only.634.5131 
596PRV_int_01634.4989Mkay.635.0148
597PRV_se0_ag2_m_02635.0669And I do remember that.636.1272
599 636.6999Just enough to know that I can remember you know, what corner it was on but I don't remember going in640.5036 
601 641.0764uh,641.6728 
603 642.1130certain kind of doors because of that. [/I don't/] remember [seeing any] signs that said Blacks and White. They were there, I don't remember seeing 'em.647.7769 
604PRV_int_01643.6939[Mm-hm.]644.1453
606 644.4304[Right.]644.6623 
608 647.7248Sure.648.1508 
609 648.2739[Sure.]648.7331
610PRV_se0_ag2_m_02648.3023[You know.]648.7236
611PRV_int_01649.0265Okay.649.4387
613 650.3708Now uh, so do you- now did you- have you- once- you moved- /said/ you moved here when you were about ten or twelve? [You been here] ever since? [And lived in Princeville?]656.9294 
614PRV_se0_ag2_m_02654.9035[Mm-hm.]655.3437
616 656.0111[Yes sir.]656.6122 
617 657.2966I've been here ever since then and um,658.9154
619 660.0041first joined660.6100 
621 661.1449the fire department, got entered in them in like, around nineteen eighty one.664.0918 
622PRV_int_01664.4042Okay.664.7545
623PRV_se0_ag2_m_02664.8444So I've been here since eighty one.666.2550
624PRV_int_01666.3781Oh [okay.]667.0029
625PRV_se0_ag2_m_02666.8372[You know] so but my /entry/ was in the town long before that. [Uh], because like I said, we played sports together.672.1177
626PRV_int_01669.7037[Yeah.]670.0539
627 672.2313Oh okay.672.7804
628PRV_se0_ag2_m_02672.6999Because when the school was integrated, we came674.5554
629 674.9152to the same school. [Whether you] stayed in Tarboro or Princeville, you [all] connected678.1650
630PRV_int_01675.6279[Mm-hm.]675.9214
632 677.2704[Yeah.]677.4929 
633 678.2502[Sure.]678.6100
634PRV_se0_ag2_m_02678.4065[be at] the same school.679.2679
635PRV_int_01679.3531Yeah.679.6703
636PRV_se0_ag2_m_02679.7413So um,680.4939
638 681.1877I used to walk from682.2575 
640 682.6267my house to Princeville684.1840 
641PRV_int_01684.3497Oh [okay.]684.7804
642PRV_se0_ag2_m_02684.6526[to] play sports with some of the guys I knew686.5771
643PRV_int_01686.6623Yeah.686.9747
644PRV_se0_ag2_m_02687.0315that went to school- went in- here in Princeville and played uh, sandlot football at the [school and everything], so.691.8644
645PRV_int_01690.6810[Sure.]691.3200
646PRV_se0_ag2_m_02692.3424I do remember those things. Just-693.6895
648 694.0066Only thing I can positively remember695.6302 
650 695.8100uh, is that we- I played.697.8170 
651PRV_int_01698.2052Yeah.698.4418
652PRV_se0_ag2_m_02698.4777You know? <laugh> I mean, I was a playing type guy so it- it- it didn't really- it didn't really matter to me.702.6621
653PRV_int_01702.8277Yeah.703.0975
654PRV_se0_ag2_m_02703.1780You know.703.5093
655PRV_int_01703.9685And when did you uh,704.8773
657 705.5049you start- you-706.1675 
659 706.3711you graduated from high school and then708.1130 
661 708.5674when did you decide to uh,710.0300 
663 710.2667become a firefighter?711.1316 
664PRV_se0_ag2_m_02711.5711Um,712.1723
666 712.5888I actually became a firefighter713.9615 
668 714.6289uh,715.2490 
670 716.2146in nineteen eighty one717.4197 
672 717.8835uh,718.5083 
674 718.9438actually the-719.6964 
676 719.8668June of nineteen eighty one721.0502 
677PRV_int_01721.1259Mkay.721.4431
678PRV_se0_ag2_m_02721.6371and been here ever since.722.7779
680 723.4907So uh, always had a interest in725.4692 
682 726.0088helping people.726.6289 
683PRV_int_01726.7757Yeah.727.0313
684PRV_se0_ag2_m_02727.1117You know, I said one day I either wanna be a fireman or a police officer.729.9261
685PRV_int_01730.1723[Oh yeah.]730.5424
686PRV_se0_ag2_m_02730.3143[So] uh,730.8539
687 731.2894uh,731.6254
689 731.8053became a volunteer fireman733.0691 
691 733.2916um,733.8028 
693 734.6481and I know uh- I do remember that night I became that737.6964 
695 737.8479and it was a738.2834 
697 738.6005enjoyable night and I just740.3519 
699 740.5345seeing if I could come by and saw what they did742.9012 
700PRV_int_01743.0480[Okay.]743.3414
701PRV_se0_ag2_m_02743.2089[and] said, well I would like to do that cause /I'm/ out there tryna help people.746.0882
702PRV_int_01746.2099Yeah.746.4418
703PRV_se0_ag2_m_02746.3546So I said that's- that sort of caught my interest.748.4705
704PRV_int_01748.4752Oh.748.7024
705PRV_se0_ag2_m_02748.8255And then, see and hear tales about how this751.1827
707 751.3721fire department was struggling752.5119 
708PRV_int_01752.6434Mm-hm.752.9889
709PRV_se0_ag2_m_02753.1262uh,753.5759
711 754.1344but at the mean time, you had to put755.6065 
713 756.1887money756.6857 
715 757.2963out of our pocket into the truck just to put fuel into the truck.760.0665 
716PRV_int_01760.1723Wow. Okay.760.7261
717PRV_se0_ag2_m_02760.6598You know, so761.4929
718 761.7674I said well,762.4065
720 762.7993uh, I could be a part of that, [you know (laughing).]764.8489 
721PRV_int_01764.2884[Yeah.]764.8469
722PRV_se0_ag2_m_02765.2871So that's- that's766.0871
724 766.3095when I first became interested was in nineteen eighty one.768.5153 
725PRV_int_01768.7662You said you saw- you saw a house burn down or?771.0788
726PRV_se0_ag2_m_02771.1641Well I saw /a/772.5367
728 772.8539they came-773.4456 
730 773.7248had a fire-774.5579 
732 774.6905uh, small fire at my house, at my residence.776.8138 
733PRV_int_01776.8942Oh.777.1972
734PRV_se0_ag2_m_02777.2966[And um,]777.9451
735PRV_int_01777.3227[Okay.]777.6971
736PRV_se0_ag2_m_02778.2196uh, it was nothing to it, it was a small fire and it [kind of]-780.8041
737PRV_int_01780.4065[Mm-hm.]780.6763
738PRV_se0_ag2_m_02781.6182the response time was pretty782.8043
740 783.0268poor.783.2777 
741PRV_int_01783.5427Yeah.783.8125
742PRV_se0_ag2_m_02784.1770And that784.6030
744 784.9722made me a little upset and wanted to know what- why.787.2963 
746 787.4194And uh, uh, luckily we was able to put it out ourselves but that790.1817 
748 790.8965made me start looking into it more. [And-] and that's when I really start realizing794.6406 
749PRV_int_01792.7520[Yeah.]793.0265
750PRV_se0_ag2_m_02795.5191the word volunteer fireman796.7782
752 797.2184meant [volunteer.]798.1603 
753PRV_int_01797.6491[Volunteer.]798.3260
754PRV_se0_ag2_m_02798.3923You know? [<laugh>] You know,799.9969
755PRV_int_01798.7378[Right. <laugh>]799.7507
756 800.2336[Yeah.]800.4702
757PRV_se0_ag2_m_02800.2714[so] sitting there waiting on- you could hear the fire whistle from here from my house.803.5592
758PRV_int_01803.6207Yeah.803.9568
759PRV_se0_ag2_m_02803.9378And I could hear the fire whistle constantly blowing,805.8786
760PRV_int_01805.8644Yeah.806.1484
761PRV_se0_ag2_m_02806.1815and I wanted to know well where's the fire truck?807.7822
763 808.0492You know, so um, uh, luckily it was nothing major and I- I- I appreciate that but813.1518 
765 813.4339if it-813.8220 
767 813.9971Those were the days were really you815.5402 
769 815.9047you either heard the fire whistle or you didn't hear it.817.4799 
770PRV_int_01817.5851Mm.817.7933
771PRV_se0_ag2_m_02817.8786And if you didn't hear it as a fireman, you probably820.1077
773 820.2669didn't respond.820.9438 
774PRV_int_01821.0669Yeah.821.3651
775PRV_se0_ag2_m_02821.6964You know, so our response time back in those days was extremely poor.824.3898
776PRV_int_01824.5866Mm.824.9605
778 825.2209Mm.825.3960 
779PRV_se0_ag2_m_02825.4291You know.825.7179
780PRV_int_01826.0350Hm.826.2669
782 826.5083But it made you wanna kind of turn [that] around?828.3071 
783PRV_se0_ag2_m_02827.8195[Yeah.]828.0846
784 828.3118You know, try to see if I could help.829.9638
785PRV_int_01830.0726Yeah.830.3945
786PRV_se0_ag2_m_02830.5412You know, and- and whatnot. So that really caught my interest then.833.4929
787PRV_int_01833.6112[Okay.]834.1887
788PRV_se0_ag2_m_02833.7154[And I think] was only834.6763
789 835.6892a couple years later,836.8489
791 837.4575maybe two to three years later, that's when I joined.839.2941 
792PRV_int_01839.4361Mkay.839.9047
793PRV_se0_ag2_m_02839.9852You know, so that's when I- I841.5330
795 841.7555kind of joined, say well maybe I can offer them some kind of assistant /which/ volunteer.845.2799 
796PRV_int_01845.3556Yeah.845.5876
797PRV_se0_ag2_m_02845.7390You know, so I knew coming in that we weren't gonna get paid.847.9874
798PRV_int_01848.1152Mm-hm.848.4892
799PRV_se0_ag2_m_02848.5838And the word volunteer849.7889
801 849.9593firemen850.3900 
803 850.8870does not- did not sit real good with people. [You can say] no pay,853.9002 
804PRV_int_01852.9035[Right.]853.2963
805 854.0706Right.854.3830
806PRV_se0_ag2_m_02854.4824but that don't sit real good [with people.]855.9214
807PRV_int_01855.4007[Sure.] So everyone here is a volunteer?857.3367
808PRV_se0_ag2_m_02857.4787Oh yeah, everyone here is [volunteer.]859.2632
809PRV_int_01858.9934[And] so they all have day jobs and-860.6609
810 861.5285and then they uh-862.2622
811PRV_se0_ag2_m_02862.5557Uh, well if you're volunteer you never have a day off.865.1354
812PRV_int_01865.3200Well,865.6939
814 865.8502you never have a day off?866.6880 
815PRV_se0_ag2_m_02866.6643No.866.9152
816PRV_int_01866.8990Oh okay.867.4577
817PRV_se0_ag2_m_02867.4149It's all volunteer. So that means that if you're busy, you're just busy.870.7283
818PRV_int_01870.9129Mm.871.3058
819PRV_se0_ag2_m_02871.3058But if you can come, when it-872.9578
820 873.3676when the tone go off, uh, you can come, you come, if you can't, you can't.876.4785
822 876.6086It doesn't mean I can't go878.0081 
824 878.1353out of town because I'm a volunteer fireman, just that you have to881.0196 
826 881.4408put trust that882.2550 
828 882.5721you have enough of 'em883.6182 
830 883.8502to respond in case of an emergency.885.3534 
831PRV_int_01885.4623Oh really? [Okay.]886.3190
832PRV_se0_ag2_m_02885.8599[Yeah and the] whole county's like that.887.3225
833PRV_int_01887.4740Really?887.8810
834PRV_se0_ag2_m_02887.9047Yep.888.2029
835PRV_int_01888.2266Wow.888.5816
836PRV_se0_ag2_m_02888.5863Yep.888.9224
837PRV_int_01889.5330So you- so890.3708
839 890.5534you try and make sure somebody's here at all times or at least people are-894.3828 
840PRV_se0_ag2_m_02894.4822We try to keep enough on the roster to make sure that-896.8205
842 897.0504Well the dedication that you have- It's all about dedication.899.2894 
843PRV_int_01899.2799Yeah.899.5970
844PRV_se0_ag2_m_02899.6302You know, you can have fifty900.5816
846 900.8325but they're not dedicated, /I could have a one/.902.3472 
847PRV_int_01902.4777Right.902.8942
848PRV_se0_ag2_m_02903.0552You know, so if you have904.4610
850 904.6882uh, dedicated people,905.8384 
852 906.3639somebody's usually around. You know, we- I communicate good with my assistant909.7605 
854 910.1486uh, chief and captain to make sure they know if I'm out of town and they let me know if they're out of town so914.7353 
855PRV_int_01914.7854[Mm-hm.]915.1248
856PRV_se0_ag2_m_02914.9700[communication] is very important.916.2054
857PRV_int_01916.5320Yeah.916.8634
858PRV_se0_ag2_m_02916.9249Let people know where you are.917.9520
859PRV_int_01919.2537Yeah, when- how many fires have you had?921.2114
861 921.4339Did you have a lot- have you had a lot of fires?922.9722 
862PRV_se0_ag2_m_02923.4976Uh,924.0230
864 924.3165we get924.9177 
866 925.5377a lot- we get more fire calls than any fire department in the county.928.2101 
867PRV_int_01928.2480Oh wow.928.7166
868PRV_se0_ag2_m_02928.9391And uh, we get929.9899
870 930.3165probably EMS calls, which we, uh, /??/ respond933.6753 
872 934.0066toll free and first responder now- we go on first responder [level,]936.8609 
873PRV_int_01936.7864[Mm-hm.]937.1827
874PRV_se0_ag2_m_02937.4289so we probably get938.4418
876 938.9605three times as many939.7936 
878 940.0208those call ins, as we do fire calls.941.6680 
879PRV_int_01941.6538Oh wow (laughing).942.1035
880PRV_se0_ag2_m_02942.2597[<laugh>]943.1070
881PRV_int_01942.4775[Okay.]942.9035
882PRV_se0_ag2_m_02943.3058<laugh>943.5377
884 943.9212So the fire calls is-945.0694 
886 945.6232we have our months946.6125 
888 946.7640where we're extremely busy947.8195 
889PRV_int_01947.8384Yeah.948.0893
890PRV_se0_ag2_m_02948.0751and we have our months when we949.3673
891 949.6892pretty quiet.950.3614
892PRV_int_01950.7049So you do like EMS type stuff?952.3048
893PRV_se0_ag2_m_02952.2953Mm-hm, we do EMS. We just don't transport. We just do first responder, things [like that.]956.0064
894PRV_int_01955.4762[Oh okay.]955.8454
895PRV_se0_ag2_m_02956.3708Help get down there957.3629
896PRV_int_01957.4717[Someone's got-]958.2104
897PRV_se0_ag2_m_02957.7321[bring the aid] for 'em. [Exactly.]959.1994
898PRV_int_01958.6314[Yeah.]958.9770
899PRV_se0_ag2_m_02959.8905And uh,960.4254
901 960.8609we have a outstanding response time now963.3392 
903 963.6043/when/ we [used] to have a response time has uh, increased tremendously.966.3781 
904PRV_int_01963.7652[Really?]964.0019
905 966.7520Okay.967.1496
906PRV_se0_ag2_m_02967.1733We have guys now that spend the night down here.969.3043
907PRV_int_01969.5901Yeah.969.8599
908PRV_se0_ag2_m_02969.9214You know, it- but it's not mandatory. It's just-971.4550
909PRV_int_01971.4361Sure.971.7485
910PRV_se0_ag2_m_02971.8100i- they have nothing else to do.973.0265
912 973.3342Those are the ones don't have a wife /in their house/ (laughing). [<laugh>] Those are the977.1410 
913PRV_int_01975.3865[Right. <laugh>]976.2764
914PRV_se0_ag2_m_02977.4882eighteen and nineteen year old ones that can do [that. <laugh>] Married men don't do that. <laugh>981.7321
915PRV_int_01979.3247[Okay.]979.9874
916 982.0208So it's uh- it- there's a age limit? Is there-983.9378
917PRV_se0_ag2_m_02983.9615Yeah you have to be at least eighteen years of age to be a fireman but you can join at987.9593
919 988.6125sixteen if you're a junior firefighter. [But you] can't participate in firefighting992.0998 
920PRV_int_01990.2124[Oh wow.]990.5816
921PRV_se0_ag2_m_02992.4134unless your department /???/ allows it, ours don't allow it.995.3036
922PRV_int_01996.2029So you have uh-997.1591
924 997.6939do you- so most of your calls are for what? Things like1000.3143 
926 1000.6882uh,1001.0953 
928 1001.4456health related things? Somebody having a heart attack or something like that [or?]1004.5462 
929PRV_se0_ag2_m_021004.2762[/?/] most of 'em are uh,1005.8626
930 1006.0445heart attacks, um,1007.7248
932 1007.9378/??/ calls, [uh], difficulty breathing, get a lot of difficulty breathing1011.6516 
933PRV_int_011009.0313[Mm-hm.]1009.3910
934PRV_se0_ag2_m_021012.1202uh calls now. So most of 'em are EMS calls.1014.9934
935PRV_int_011016.0821So get like a- a lot of uh, elderly uh,1018.9675
936PRV_se0_ag2_m_021018.9770Yeah.1019.2610
937PRV_int_011019.2042/??/ [community-]1019.9568
938PRV_se0_ag2_m_021019.7012[Middle age] to elderly people uh,1021.6797
939 1022.5270sometime not taking their medication or can't afford to get their medication or1025.9568
940PRV_int_011025.9284Yeah.1026.2834
941PRV_se0_ag2_m_021026.2124get a lot of calls1027.0265
942 1027.4999uh,1027.9732
944 1028.1436routinely to the same resident1029.5569 
946 1029.8125a lot of times. So you almost- when you hear the address on the radio you already know who [it is roughly.]1034.3377 
947PRV_int_011033.5709[Who it is.]1034.1626
948 1034.4493Yeah.1034.8374
949PRV_se0_ag2_m_021034.8516So1035.2303
951 1035.4197uh,1035.8220 
953 1036.2622/we do do all that/. See we're in a- we're in a neutral location, which allow us to run mutual aid for every fire department in the county except for1043.3320 
955 1044.0183section thirteen, I believe is /unintelligible/.1046.0916 
956PRV_int_011046.2383Oh.1046.5223
957PRV_se0_ag2_m_021046.6481So that's one of the reason why we get more calls than any fire department cause we always assisting [somebody else.]1050.5579
958PRV_int_011050.1934[Oh okay], so you helping other1051.5756
959 1051.7318[people out] in Tarboro and other [surrounding] places.1054.1912
960PRV_se0_ag2_m_021051.8955[Right.]1052.2126
962 1053.5001[Mm-hm.]1053.8504 
964 1054.1486We help everybody but one other fire department in the [whole county.]1056.2692 
965PRV_int_011055.7864[Okay.] Oh wow.1056.6715
966PRV_se0_ag2_m_021056.7567[Yeah.]1057.1165
967PRV_int_011056.9224[Okay], so yeah, that'll keep you busy.1058.5128
968PRV_se0_ag2_m_021058.5176Oh [yeah. It keep us-]1059.4670
969PRV_int_011058.7759[<laugh>]1059.4197
970PRV_se0_ag2_m_021059.7889/?/ on our toes.1060.7326
971PRV_int_011060.7261Okay.1061.2468
972 1062.1366/??/1062.7047
974 1064.0016Do you um-1064.6738 
976 1065.6705do you remember- now I know it's- i-1067.6728 
978 1068.0656Princeville is on a- a- like a- on a flood plain, [is that?]1071.7037 
979PRV_se0_ag2_m_021071.2966[Mm-hm.]1071.7699
980PRV_int_011071.9545And that- until1072.7829
982 1073.0196there was a levy built in uh, or the-1075.1165 
984 1075.9259in the like, sixties?1077.3278 
986 1077.5522That's what I heard?1078.2338 
987PRV_se0_ag2_m_021078.5746Uh,1079.0811
988PRV_int_011079.0196The-1079.3840
989PRV_se0_ag2_m_021079.7722the dyke.1080.2029
990PRV_int_011080.1840The dyke [there.]1080.9129
991PRV_se0_ag2_m_021080.6621[Mm-hm.]1081.1117
992PRV_int_011081.2537[Yeah.]1081.5377
993PRV_se0_ag2_m_021081.3342[In the early] sixties wont it?1082.3850
994 1083.4291Cause they extend it since the flood. They raised it another so many feet since the flood. [Cause you have] uh- it was there, uh, put there in the sixties.1090.2243
995PRV_int_011087.3768[Right.]1087.6845
997 1090.1391Mm-hm.1090.4941 
998misc1091.0243/Inaudible/.1091.3840
999PRV_int_011091.5402And do you remember any other floods before that?1093.6466
1000misc1093.7223Andrew,1094.0726
1002 1094.2951think it was in the seventies.1095.2500 
1003PRV_se0_ag2_m_021095.5711The dyke was built in the seventies?1096.6929
1005 1096.8965Okay.1097.3414 
1007 1098.3260I don't remember any other flood other than just1100.2809 
1009 1100.7069low level floods,1101.6843 
1010PRV_int_011101.6753Okay.1101.9423
1011PRV_se0_ag2_m_021101.8315you know, where you1102.4752
1012 1102.6219could walk in it,1103.4124
1014 1103.6112[where] it would be sometime like almost knee high,1105.9042 
1015PRV_int_011103.6112[Mm.]1103.8668
1016 1106.0206Mm-hm.1106.3850
1017PRV_se0_ag2_m_021106.4040but1106.6501
1019 1106.9037as far as1107.4055 
1021 1107.5711evacuating the whole town, I don't know more- I don't think we had a lot of those type floods.1111.1638 
1022PRV_int_011111.2159Did that happen a lot? Just where you [had like-]1113.1708
1023PRV_se0_ag2_m_021112.6576[Oh yeah], that happened every time it rain [hard.]1114.4705
1024PRV_int_011114.3664[Really?]1114.7498
1025PRV_se0_ag2_m_021114.7640Yeah. [<laugh>]1116.3828
1026PRV_int_011115.1663[Okay (laughing).]1115.9568
1027PRV_se0_ag2_m_021116.6195Every time you had a hard rain, you can look forward to water /cordoning/ across the highway.1119.9687
1028PRV_int_011120.0161[Oh /yeah/, really?]1120.9012
1029PRV_se0_ag2_m_021120.2054[You know, that- that wasn't] too-1121.2326
1030 1121.4787that was normal.1122.0420
1031PRV_int_011122.3544And [not high?]1122.9224
1032PRV_se0_ag2_m_021122.4964[And I think] that's why a lot of people took the flood1124.2052
1033 1124.5128less seriously because1125.4818
1034PRV_int_011125.3913/??/.1125.6847
1035PRV_se0_ag2_m_021125.7983their1126.0303
1037 1126.2054memory from the old days.1127.3462 
1038PRV_int_011127.3509Okay.1127.7390
1039PRV_se0_ag2_m_021127.8526Yeah.1128.1840
1040PRV_int_011128.1224So it's just like, oh [it's just another rain.]1130.1673
1041PRV_se0_ag2_m_021129.0123[Yeah, yeah, just you] know, a little knee high water [that] go away [but that] didn't go away.1133.4077
1042PRV_int_011131.3723[Mm.]1131.6800
1044 1132.2575[Okay.]1132.7640 
1045PRV_se0_ag2_m_021133.9804And uh, that kept coming.1135.1685
1046PRV_int_011135.6797How- uh- w- did you have a lot of trouble when that happened? I mean how do you get out of town? Or how do you-1139.5402
1048 1140.0278people just kind of stay in when it rains like that or?1142.3898 
1049PRV_se0_ag2_m_021143.0836Pretty much so they stay in.1144.2243
1050PRV_int_011144.2622Yeah?1144.5273
1051PRV_se0_ag2_m_021144.4894You know, um,1145.6680
1052 1145.8384m-1146.0893
1054 1146.2929they wont a lot of houses back this- it was like [more]1148.7116 
1055PRV_int_011148.2856[Hm.]1148.4844
1056PRV_se0_ag2_m_021148.9510away from the river.1149.8031
1057PRV_int_011150.1155Mkay.1150.4326
1058PRV_se0_ag2_m_021150.4515You know, but the one that was up this way usually was the one that got the water in their yard. But yeah, they just pretty much stayed home.1155.5644
1059PRV_int_011155.7557Okay.1156.2007
1060PRV_se0_ag2_m_021156.2717Yeah.1156.5888
1061PRV_int_011158.2834And you said uh,1159.1827
1063 1159.3105so when the- when-1160.0916 
1065 1160.4229in ninety nine when it started1161.8599 
1067 1162.2764raining, people just kind of-1163.3651 
1068PRV_se0_ag2_m_021163.3840Yeah [just]1164.0940
1069PRV_int_011163.7059[/the water/-]1164.1130
1070PRV_se0_ag2_m_021164.3923thought it was gonna pass over, [/??/] gonna rain a little bit of water1167.1025
1071PRV_int_011165.5756[Yeah.]1165.7460
1072 1167.1714[Yeah.]1167.4718
1073PRV_se0_ag2_m_021167.2398[you know], /let's see-/1168.1581
1074 1168.4279Plus even with the dyke now,1169.8621
1076 1170.1177there's low level area in people yard [where the] water still stands,1173.2500 
1077PRV_int_011172.0280[Hm.]1172.2268
1078 1173.2682Oh [okay.]1173.7747
1079PRV_se0_ag2_m_021173.5759[so a lot] of people just see that as just1175.2136
1080 1176.0751hard rain with water in their [yard.]1177.5425
1081PRV_int_011177.2774[Sure.]1177.5567
1082PRV_se0_ag2_m_021177.8265And didn't take the- didn't take the leaving seriously.1179.8930
1083PRV_int_011179.9451<ts> Oh wow.1180.4468
1084PRV_se0_ag2_m_021180.4799You know.1180.8350
1085PRV_int_011181.3036So now what- how-1182.3307
1087 1182.6100what- you were here at that time, right?1184.3837 
1088PRV_se0_ag2_m_021184.2998Mm-hm, [I was] here at that [time.]1185.5522
1089PRV_int_011184.4986[So-]1184.8678
1091 1185.3487[What do you] remember about- about the flood or like1187.7154 
1092 1188.0041when-1188.3828
1094 1188.6810when it first started raining?1190.1862 
1095PRV_se0_ag2_m_021191.3345Um,1191.9593
1097 1192.2210well he was chief and I was assistant chief,1193.9520 
1099 1194.3402and um,1194.9697 
1101 1195.6750when we first start hearing it on the news, of course, you know, it was coming this way,1198.4894 
1103 1198.8066I think we was here at the station just1200.3639 
1105 1200.7141on call1201.5093 
1107 1201.6229and uh,1202.2525 
1109 1203.1877we got a1203.8267 
1111 1204.6172guy from- that was checking on the dyke,1206.4708 
1113 1206.6263went to town and that was his job, [to] keep us in- posted with the dyke. And [he saw] that the dyke was rate was still rising at uh, think he said was four inches1213.8928 
1114PRV_int_011208.0632[Oh.]1208.3188
1116 1210.1155[Hm.]1210.3001 
1117PRV_se0_ag2_m_021214.2762an hour.1214.6643
1118PRV_int_011214.9463Oh wow.1215.3297
1119PRV_se0_ag2_m_021215.5948And that- and he said we need to either1217.4787
1121 1218.3023try to help sand bag it, or we need to look at evacuating the town.1221.4244 
1122PRV_int_011221.5096Mm-hm.1221.8409
1123PRV_se0_ag2_m_021222.2622So we had already started to evacuate1224.1414
1125 1224.4869people- the- the elderly to the town hall1226.5176 
1126PRV_int_011226.6150Oh okay.1227.1451
1127PRV_se0_ag2_m_021227.1404at the time.1227.7652
1128PRV_int_011227.8693Alright.1228.1770
1129PRV_se0_ag2_m_021228.3947Uh- I- I advised them to open up the town hall to at least get 'em somewhere.1232.5081
1131 1233.0268And once we got 'em there we got the word that they can't stay there cause it- it was still rising so [we had] to try to locate somewhere else [and we end] up locating 'em to Tarboro High School.1240.5209 
1132PRV_int_011237.0313[Mm.]1237.2821
1134 1238.6150[Okay.]1239.0721 
1135 1240.7450Oh okay.1241.2846
1136PRV_se0_ag2_m_021241.5308Yeah, and we actually1242.4112
1138 1242.6905uh, evacuated them with the fire trucks.1244.3472 
1139PRV_int_011244.4040Oh okay.1244.8726
1141 1245.2303[Okay.]1245.5806 
1142PRV_se0_ag2_m_021245.4197[You] know,1245.8315
1143 1246.1628uh-1246.5983
1144PRV_int_011246.5841Now what- how- when did you make that decision when- when people decided to [s-]1250.3046
1145PRV_se0_ag2_m_021249.9638[The decision] was made when we was- when he was at the dyke1252.4326
1146 1252.6077and uh, they was uh, sand bagging the dyke, saw that it wa- it was gonna go over it based on the1257.1593
1148 1257.6090whatever report they was getting.1258.7403 
1149PRV_int_011258.7450Yeah.1259.0290
1150PRV_se0_ag2_m_021258.9864So we decide to just stop sand bagging, and just say,1261.0024
1151 1261.1780evacuate the town.1261.9070
1152PRV_int_011261.9922Mm-hm.1262.4418
1153PRV_se0_ag2_m_021262.2931The mayor made the decision and we just1263.8883
1154 1264.1464of course just went from there.1265.3551
1155PRV_int_011265.5071Okay.1265.9284
1156PRV_se0_ag2_m_021266.1035You know,1266.5795
1158 1266.8609and that's- and that decision was made somewhere around what?1269.2500 
1160 1269.5191Uh, eleven?1270.5793 
1161misc1271.1852No it was /maybe the uh/-1272.7473
1163 1273.4999Ten past one.1274.3140 
1164PRV_se0_ag2_m_021274.4635Ten past one at night.1275.5569
1166 1275.7699Yeah.1276.0820 
1167misc1276.1107/Inaudible/1276.9344
1168PRV_se0_ag2_m_021276.8681/Inaudible/1277.6917
1169 1278.5343So we was-1279.1165
1171 1279.2774we stayed up1280.3330 
1173 1280.6244probably all night just evacuating people.1282.7166 
1174PRV_int_011282.7308Okay.1283.1521
1175PRV_se0_ag2_m_021283.2988Yep.1283.5734
1176PRV_int_011283.7106Okay.1284.0846
1177PRV_se0_ag2_m_021284.1082Sure did.1284.6195
1179 1285.3105Once the decision was made we just went on and-1287.1214 
1181 1287.4244course the phone was ringing off the hook1288.6077 
1182PRV_int_011288.7971Mm-hm.1289.0527
1183PRV_se0_ag2_m_021289.1805cause there was rumors we was gonna have to evacuate,1291.2727
1185 1291.5377people had to leave. There was some that at the time1293.5427 
1187 1293.8788was told not yet,1295.0006 
1188PRV_int_011295.0527[Mm.]1295.3036
1189PRV_se0_ag2_m_021295.1521[so it] was1295.5497
1190 1296.1177crossing up the communication lines so when we finally got the okay we started telling people then, yes.1300.5415
1192 1300.9486We went out on the truck and got on the- the um, microphone or horn1303.9780 
1193PRV_int_011304.0584Mm-hm.1304.3992
1194PRV_se0_ag2_m_021304.3878and just let 'em know that you need to evacuate.1306.3474
1195PRV_int_011306.5604Mm-hm.1306.9154
1196PRV_se0_ag2_m_021307.0811Um,1307.4314
1198 1308.1082not realizing that in some area it was already too high for them to even get out.1311.5995 
1199PRV_int_011311.6705[Mm.]1311.9608
1200PRV_se0_ag2_m_021311.8078[We didn't] know that.1312.5334
1201PRV_int_011312.6598Okay.1313.0716
1202PRV_se0_ag2_m_021312.9817You know, we didn't know that.1314.0704
1203 1315.5141So we drove in and uh, couple friends1317.5380
1205 1318.0208help1318.4468 
1207 1318.6125themselves and couple guys had their own boat,1320.7425 
1209 1321.1685and we were using their boats [to go into] the area that was- water was high enough to get the1324.3995 
1210PRV_int_011322.3026[Oh.]1322.6197
1211PRV_se0_ag2_m_021324.6693boat in and put 'em on the boats and1326.3828
1213 1326.9271bring 'em out. And we [was-]1327.7555 
1214PRV_int_011327.5425[Okay.]1327.9827
1215PRV_se0_ag2_m_021328.1673I remember bringing people out in a chair1329.7983
1216PRV_int_011330.1581Wow.1330.5367
1217PRV_se0_ag2_m_021330.6456because they couldn't walk so we let 'em sit in the chair and brought 'em out1333.0739
1219 1333.2727in the wa- in the [water you know], to- to the boat.1335.3297 
1220PRV_int_011334.1389[Okay.]1334.6264
1221 1335.5001Oh wow.1335.9877
1222PRV_se0_ag2_m_021336.0161Especially in this uh, elderly /department/ it was called Prince Court.1338.8798
1223PRV_int_011339.1922[Mm-hm.]1339.5129
1224PRV_se0_ag2_m_021339.3011[Prince]- Prince Court.1340.2667
1225 1340.5460And uh, that was our biggest problem.1342.1202
1226PRV_int_011342.5225Mm.1342.7734
1227PRV_se0_ag2_m_021342.9770You know, it was our biggest problem. Um, but I do remember1344.9887
1229 1345.3389going in /downstown/1346.5412 
1231 1347.1735and the water was probably1348.5793 
1233 1349.0243several feet already, that was- /??/ near where the river runs?1351.9590 
1234PRV_int_011351.9448Mm-hm.1352.3850
1235PRV_se0_ag2_m_021352.3424That there was already flooded and we didn't even know it.1354.4279
1236PRV_int_011354.6977Hm.1354.9391
1237PRV_se0_ag2_m_021354.9959So it s- sort of like closing in on us.1356.7047
1238PRV_int_011356.9366[Oh wow.]1357.3957
1239PRV_se0_ag2_m_021356.9508[Surrounding] us, and [we didn't even] realize [that.]1358.6028
1240PRV_int_011357.5472[Oh wow.]1358.0016
1242 1358.4209[Oh] wow, so you were in some danger.1359.9025 
1243PRV_se0_ag2_m_021359.9167Oh yeah we was in much more danger that what we was told.1362.1698
1244PRV_int_011362.1792Oh really.1362.6479
1245PRV_se0_ag2_m_021362.9603Yeah, it- so uh,1364.2478
1247 1364.6122I drove across the highway to go in that1367.3982 
1249 1367.7201area1368.1982 
1251 1368.7094two hours later,1369.4620 
1253 1369.8170there was the water too deep to drive the truck through.1371.7983 
1254PRV_int_011372.1202Mm.1372.3332
1255PRV_se0_ag2_m_021372.5604So we found another car back there so me and /RD-NAME-1/ went out there checked it out and you couldn't drive- drive the truck through there, it was that- that quick.1378.1060
1256PRV_int_011378.5273Wow.1378.8350
1257PRV_se0_ag2_m_021379.0764You know, so1379.8810
1259 1380.1650and I'm wondering well, I stay back there.1382.0916 
1260PRV_int_011382.2762Mm-hm.1382.5696
1261PRV_se0_ag2_m_021382.8138So I'm looking1383.7415
1263 1383.9261well, where is the water coming from?1385.3698 
1264PRV_int_011385.4834Right.1385.7580
1265PRV_se0_ag2_m_021385.7816You know, but it had passed through and that area is low. There is no dyke in that area.1389.6294
1266PRV_int_011389.7273Okay.1390.0066
1267PRV_se0_ag2_m_021390.1959So the water just- was /happen/ surrounding the town of Princeville /pity say/ nobody even realized.1394.0537
1268PRV_int_011394.0300Hm.1394.3093
1269PRV_se0_ag2_m_021394.8090Yeah.1395.1025
1270PRV_int_011395.2493[And then now] where was your house at? /?/.1397.3651
1271PRV_se0_ag2_m_021395.2587[But they realize-]1395.8031
1272 1397.8716On uh, Ridgewood Road on [/??/] [Highway.]1399.9212
1273PRV_int_011399.0786[Oh.]1399.4336
1275 1399.7460[Okay.]1400.1815 
1276PRV_se0_ag2_m_021400.3330That's where the- /after/ the first starting to-1402.3521
1278 1402.6787you could tell you was in trouble.1403.9863 
1279PRV_int_011404.0656Okay.1404.3686
1280PRV_se0_ag2_m_021404.5106/?/ through that area right there.1405.8880
1281PRV_int_011406.0395So you- so you1407.1192
1283 1407.4954got your family out?1408.3900 
1284PRV_se0_ag2_m_021408.4421Oh yeah.1408.7119
1286 1408.8681I called 'em and told 'em that-1410.4112 
1288 1410.8183I actually- I went home and changed clothes probably two or three times just to get out of the wet clothes?1414.6409 
1289PRV_int_011414.6409Mm-hm.1415.0480
1290PRV_se0_ag2_m_021414.9580And I told 'em they could go ahead on and leave,1417.3579
1291 1417.7602thinking that we was gonna be back in a couple of hours.1419.6895
1292PRV_int_011419.7936Yeah.1419.9735
1293PRV_se0_ag2_m_021419.8977You know so we didn't take anything.1421.2468
1294PRV_int_011421.3320Sure.1421.6254
1295PRV_se0_ag2_m_021421.6396You know, so we realized then that we was1423.8265
1297 1424.0348um,1424.3330 
1299 1424.5602not gonna be coming back,1425.5901 
1300PRV_int_011425.5238Yeah.1425.7368
1301PRV_se0_ag2_m_021425.9829you know, for awhile.1426.9202
1303 1427.4929But yeah, I- I warned my family and the neighbors- and the people in the [neighborhood, and] the-1431.2729 
1304PRV_int_011430.7002[Mm.]1431.0362
1305PRV_se0_ag2_m_021431.4386try to comfort some families, let 'em know, well yeah,1433.4787
1307 1433.7769you- you need to evacuate, but I can't promise you when you will come back [/here/.]1437.0930 
1308PRV_int_011436.8232[Yeah.]1437.1593
1309PRV_se0_ag2_m_021437.3865You know.1437.7699
1311 1438.3538I mean, people were just1439.3036 
1313 1439.7923hesitant about leaving.1440.7615 
1314PRV_int_011440.7993[Yeah.]1441.0502
1315PRV_se0_ag2_m_021440.8987[Cause] they didn't actually see the water in their yard.1443.1925
1316PRV_int_011443.2824Mm-hm.1443.6043
1317PRV_se0_ag2_m_021443.9451You know, so if they see the water,1445.6207
1318PRV_int_011445.8479[Right.]1446.1272
1319PRV_se0_ag2_m_021445.8526[Gonna] be /??/ in danger.1447.0123
1320PRV_int_011446.9934Yeah.1447.2963
1321PRV_se0_ag2_m_021447.5614And you know, it's not like a tornado you can see it coming, [you know] this was the flood.1450.8597
1322PRV_int_011449.6611[Mm-hm.]1450.0539
1323 1451.0764Yeah.1451.3604
1324PRV_se0_ag2_m_021451.4834You know.1451.8574
1326 1452.6053So if that dyke had burst1453.9401 
1328 1454.2004a little bit sooner- which I have pictures of that-1456.1439 
1330 1456.4563if it had a burst a little bit soon we woulda been in really1458.6573 
1332 1458.8798serious trouble.1459.5898 
1333PRV_int_011459.5898Yeah.1459.8928
1334PRV_se0_ag2_m_021460.1768And um,1460.6643
1336 1461.1925so that was the very first area that we was asked to evacuate, [and most] of the people was already gone.1465.3579 
1337PRV_int_011464.1461[Mm-hm.]1464.5011
1338 1465.6419Yeah. [Really?]1466.3614
1339PRV_se0_ag2_m_021466.0768[No] /??/ was already gone. I think we only had like, fifteen families that /actually/ still there.1470.1792
1340PRV_int_011470.2266Okay.1470.5437
1341PRV_se0_ag2_m_021470.8135So they didn't take any chances cause they was right there on the river.1473.0856
1342PRV_int_011473.1972And they could see it?1473.7510
1343PRV_se0_ag2_m_021473.7652And they could see [it.]1474.3900
1344PRV_int_011474.2385[Yeah.]1474.5178
1345PRV_se0_ag2_m_021474.6219So they left.1475.0290
1346PRV_int_011475.0764Yeah.1475.3651
1347PRV_se0_ag2_m_021475.4314You know.1475.7532
1348PRV_int_011476.1792Yeah.1476.4396
1350 1476.8987Did you have any people that1478.0016 
1352 1478.4797stayed a little too long or?1479.8078 
1353PRV_se0_ag2_m_021479.8220Oh yeah.1480.2007
1355 1480.6693We had quite a few1481.4740 
1356PRV_int_011481.6728<laugh>1481.9946
1357PRV_se0_ag2_m_021481.8716stay a little too long and /they/ had to be rescued by uh, Army [helicopter.]1485.7415
1358PRV_int_011485.6327[Oh] really?1486.2007
1359PRV_se0_ag2_m_021486.4089/inaudible/1486.8350
1361 1487.0243So we had some that just stayed and stayed and stayed, while-1489.4478 
1363 1489.9685I know one lady1490.9294 
1365 1491.2729that's friends with uh,1492.4705 
1367 1492.7119family who1493.4314 
1369 1493.8810didn't know1494.6053 
1371 1494.8893that the flood was that bad.1496.0348 
1372PRV_int_011496.0632Mm.1496.3424
1373PRV_se0_ag2_m_021496.4608And when she woke up the next morning, looked out the window and saw water.1499.3793
1374PRV_int_011499.3840Mm.1499.6586
1375PRV_se0_ag2_m_021499.8952And it lucky that she was able to drive her car through.1501.9780
1377 1502.7854Just guessing between the house and the mailbox, using the mailbox as a guide1506.1130 
1378PRV_int_011506.1130Aw.1506.5532
1379PRV_se0_ag2_m_021506.5248and knowing where the road sposta be.1507.9212
1380PRV_int_011507.8786Oh man.1508.5034
1381PRV_se0_ag2_m_021508.4892And just drove out with she and her mother.1509.9403
1382PRV_int_011510.2338And she- did she make it?1511.2231
1383PRV_se0_ag2_m_021511.1994She made it. [She made it.]1512.1934
1384PRV_int_011511.6396[Oh wow.]1512.1603
1385PRV_se0_ag2_m_021512.4301She made [it.]1512.8845
1386PRV_int_011512.6668[Just] kind of guessing where [the road-]1513.9969
1387PRV_se0_ag2_m_021513.6466[Yeah] guessing where the road should be.1515.0410
1388PRV_int_011515.1025<laugh>1515.4859
1389PRV_se0_ag2_m_021515.5759You know, and she was probably but one of the few that stayed in our whole community.1518.9177
1390PRV_int_011518.9508Yeah.1519.3200
1391PRV_se0_ag2_m_021519.5330You know, cause she say, where everybody at?1521.3297
1393 1521.6800Everybody was gone, when she looked out her door and all she saw was water /???/ probably this high.1525.1827 
1394PRV_int_011525.3768Oh wow.1525.8833
1395PRV_se0_ag2_m_021526.0632And she knew it was time to go.1527.1835
1396PRV_int_011527.5948[Man.]1527.9119
1397PRV_se0_ag2_m_021527.7936[You] know, but we went out there in our own neighborhood to warn our own people- [let them] know that, you know, you might wanna go.1533.1063
1398PRV_int_011531.0644[Yeah.]1531.3957
1399PRV_se0_ag2_m_021533.4291And at that, we used boat out there in that area1535.2988
1401 1535.5260to get out people.1536.4065 
1402PRV_int_011536.7804Oh [okay.]1537.1827
1403PRV_se0_ag2_m_021537.0076[You] know.1537.4431
1404 1537.6939And it was amazing though because in one section you could use a boat1540.6370
1406 1540.7924and another section you couldn't.1542.0230 
1408 1542.1792There was absolutely zero amount of water.1543.9164 
1409PRV_int_011544.4986Really?1544.8110
1410PRV_se0_ag2_m_021545.0315[Yeah.]1545.3581
1411PRV_int_011545.0978[So you had]1545.4670
1412 1545.6847be careful [where you could] go and [everything.] [And wow.]1548.2171
1413PRV_se0_ag2_m_021546.3190[Yeah.]1546.6702
1415 1547.1237[Yeah.]1547.4030 
1417 1547.5402[Exactly.]1548.1236 
1418PRV_int_011548.9603Wow.1549.2253
1420 1550.5081So1551.0288 
1422 1552.0776the fire department at that time1553.7201 
1424 1554.3307had- had enough people to deal with-1556.1578 
1426 1556.7002with everything that was going on or they just basically did what you [could?]1560.2502 
1427PRV_se0_ag2_m_021559.9899[You know], we did what we could.1561.2667
1428PRV_int_011561.2443Yeah.1561.5046
1429PRV_se0_ag2_m_021561.5377You know, there's never enough man power to /help/ on a situation like that on [such short] notice. After1566.0940
1430PRV_int_011564.8823[Yeah.]1565.2231
1431PRV_se0_ag2_m_021566.4207uh, notifying the fire marshal, uh, he said that1569.1025
1433 1569.5617help was coming but it was gonna be several hours getting [here with] the um, National Guard, I guess.1573.8265 
1434PRV_int_011572.1414[Hm.]1572.4207
1435PRV_se0_ag2_m_021574.3472But um, that would- that woulda been too-1576.0208
1437 1576.5083too long.1576.8397 
1438PRV_int_011576.9628Too long?1577.3556
1439PRV_se0_ag2_m_021577.3272You know, so when people who really needed to get out, two more hours woulda been too long for them to stay in-1581.5380
1440 1581.7841in a area like that.1582.6882
1441PRV_int_011583.0480Mm.1583.2799
1443 1583.8148So you- you really the1585.0739 
1445 1585.7413front [line?]1586.3102 
1446PRV_se0_ag2_m_021586.1105[It] was actually the front line. It was very front line. [<laugh>]1589.5402
1447PRV_int_011588.4326[<laugh>]1589.4503
1448PRV_se0_ag2_m_021589.6633First attack. [<laugh>]1591.5803
1449PRV_int_011590.5343[<laugh>]1591.1259
1450PRV_se0_ag2_m_021592.1294Yeah, so we actually1593.1329
1452 1593.4623probably played a major major role in helping rescue1596.5390 
1453PRV_int_011596.7378[Hm.]1596.9697
1454PRV_se0_ag2_m_021596.7615[cause that] was actually their job.1598.2288
1455PRV_int_011598.5602Okay.1598.9246
1456PRV_se0_ag2_m_021599.0741Uh, but we was assisting them cause they had heavy duty equipment, at times /unintelligible/.1604.0916
1457PRV_int_011604.4040[Mm.]1604.6548
1458PRV_se0_ag2_m_021604.4513[You know] but as time-1605.5759
1459 1605.8173if the truck could go, we took the truck.1607.4266
1460PRV_int_011607.4645Yeah.1607.7296
1461PRV_se0_ag2_m_021608.0751You know, and like I said, we just1609.4951
1463 1609.7697uh, put people that couldn't walk1611.2871 
1465 1611.4670and put 'em inside the truck and rescue vans and things, and just1614.9035 
1467 1615.3721uh, throw 'em out there with- and even our trucks.1617.6847 
1469 1618.2953We would help them anyway we could,1620.0988 
1470PRV_int_011620.1414[Mm-hm.]1620.5106
1471PRV_se0_ag2_m_021620.2881[to get 'em] out of that area.1621.2348
1472 1621.5993[And there was-]1622.0206
1473PRV_int_011621.6087[Okay.]1622.0016
1474PRV_se0_ag2_m_021622.3262and there was some that was very very glad to see us,1624.1675
1475PRV_int_011624.4231Yeah.1624.6551
1476PRV_se0_ag2_m_021624.8397you know.1625.2752
1477PRV_int_011626.4065I bet.1626.8230
1479 1627.3247I bet.1627.7460 
1481 1628.9842Do you have any particular1630.5509 
1483 1631.0101rescues that you remember or that-1632.7567 
1484PRV_se0_ag2_m_021633.5330The one that- the one that- that1635.0619
1486 1635.3771the most was the one out here in uh, Prince Court when we had to actually bring- When we pulled up there was people standing in the door sweeping water out of their house.1643.0037 
1487PRV_int_011643.0101Mm.1643.3178
1488PRV_se0_ag2_m_021643.6065You know, so we saw that and we asked them- I asked them, I said why didn't y'all call us? They said the phones weren't working.1648.3517
1489PRV_int_011648.3711Mm. <ts> Okay.1649.1663
1490PRV_se0_ag2_m_021649.1284So the water was rising,1650.3497
1491 1650.6715nobody knew it,1651.5661
1493 1651.9543so uh, we /had 'em going back there just out of a guess/,1654.3237 
1494PRV_int_011654.3900Mm-hm.1654.7024
1495PRV_se0_ag2_m_021654.7071they probably woulda been in trouble.1655.9568
1496PRV_int_011655.9520Okay.1656.4301
1497PRV_se0_ag2_m_021656.4443And you know, but some of 'em couldn't walk,1657.6135
1498PRV_int_011657.8786Right.1658.1626
1499PRV_se0_ag2_m_021658.3424so they was still sitting in the chair when we got there with water in the house.1661.0054
1500PRV_int_011661.1758Right.1661.4834
1501PRV_se0_ag2_m_021661.6491So uh, those- that area right there, incident, I remember the most.1665.2500
1502PRV_int_011665.3439Okay.1665.7510
1503PRV_se0_ag2_m_021665.8267You know, people could not come out on their own and1667.7911
1505 1668.1035carrying 'em out1668.7331 
1507 1668.8940uh,1669.4289 
1509 1669.7791you know, in chairs and put them in boats,1671.5049 
1510PRV_int_011671.6895Yeah.1672.0019
1511PRV_se0_ag2_m_021672.0019uh, that would have been1673.1994
1512 1673.7580uh, enough for a movie.1674.6857
1513PRV_int_011674.8656[Yeah. Okay.]1676.0158
1514PRV_se0_ag2_m_021675.2017[You know (laughing)], that was a movie in the making [if we] coulda caught that on tape.1678.4089
1515PRV_int_011677.2587[Righ-]1677.4717
1516 1678.5793Oh.1678.8586
1517PRV_se0_ag2_m_021678.8444Yeah.1679.1568
1518PRV_int_011679.4976Pretty- pretty scary stuff.1680.7520
1519PRV_se0_ag2_m_021680.7331Oh yeah [that was-] and it-1681.8312
1520PRV_int_011681.1307[Yeah.]1681.3815
1521PRV_se0_ag2_m_021681.9922but we didn't realize it was water up here to our waist and chest everywhere-1685.1994
1523 1685.4172walk-1685.7580 
1525 1685.8716didn't think twice. We just wanted rescue those people. [Didn't] think /??/ how-1689.3061 
1526PRV_int_011688.0158[Sure.]1688.3566
1527PRV_se0_ag2_m_021689.4907whether we were gonna step in a hole or not, we just think of the people in- [in that] area.1692.7899
1528PRV_int_011692.1082[Sure.]1692.5030
1529 1692.9697Yeah.1693.2537
1531 1693.7176And there were- I'm sure there were like, down1695.2966 
1533 1695.8930power lines and stuff [like that or?]1697.6822 
1534PRV_se0_ag2_m_021696.9202[Uh, we had] mostly down trees1699.5377
1535PRV_int_011699.4431Really?1699.7933
1536PRV_se0_ag2_m_021699.8596than power lines. I'm glad of that.1701.2587
1537PRV_int_011701.4007Yeah.1701.7037
1538PRV_se0_ag2_m_021701.6658Uh, we had mostly you know, debris1703.4361
1539PRV_int_011703.5876[Yeah.]1703.8337
1540PRV_se0_ag2_m_021703.6680[to work with.]1704.2502
1541PRV_int_011704.4159To- to deal with.1705.2679
1543 1705.5141Yeah.1705.9022 
1545 1707.3439So,1707.7652 
1547 1708.0019it was a-1708.7403 
1548PRV_se0_ag2_m_021709.5775[Yeah, I'm] glad of the power line, they stayed up.1711.2348
1549PRV_int_011709.5970[uh-]1709.8148
1550 1711.8644[Yeah. <laugh>]1712.8631
1551PRV_se0_ag2_m_021711.8880[You know? <laugh>] I don't think we woulda got in the water had been in a- in a- /popping sound/ [/or a-/] <laugh>1716.8135
1552PRV_int_011716.1414[Yeah.]1716.4680
1553PRV_se0_ag2_m_021716.9224probably wouldn't have been able to get in there.1718.2146
1554PRV_int_011718.2714Right.1718.6690
1556 1718.7570Right.1719.0031 
1557PRV_se0_ag2_m_021718.9794But we had people, we had firemans spread out in all different areas. [You know, we'd] just go- We was on the radio just saying, will you go check this area? We'll go check this area and1726.3900
1558PRV_int_011722.3639[Okay.]1722.7236
1559PRV_se0_ag2_m_021726.9012uh,1727.3746
1561 1727.6822you know, it was just amazing how some area had several feet of water and just right beside their house was no water1732.5273 
1562PRV_int_011732.6503Mm.1732.9154
1563PRV_se0_ag2_m_021733.2184And [uh, fact] that's the way this area is designed.1735.5614
1564PRV_int_011733.4172[Mm.]1733.7722
1565 1735.6608Yeah.1735.9259
1566PRV_se0_ag2_m_021735.9070You know, just- it's had some1737.3624
1567 1737.8078strange design.1738.6548
1568PRV_int_011739.0622Yeah.1739.3840
1569PRV_se0_ag2_m_021739.3746we have1739.7788
1570 1739.9732everybody- the house is almost submerged, and some people, the houses never /?/ it never touched it [in the] same community.1745.2089
1571PRV_int_011744.2243[Hm.]1744.4989
1572 1745.4077Okay.1745.8574
1573PRV_se0_ag2_m_021745.8526You know.1746.2029
1574PRV_int_011746.1224So there were some houses that made it?1747.8454
1575PRV_se0_ag2_m_021747.8028Oh yeah, there were-1748.3661
1576 1748.6197uh, in Southern Terrace, I know.1749.7652
1577PRV_int_011750.2196Okay.1750.5557
1578PRV_se0_ag2_m_021750.5557No houses made it in Princeville.1752.2124
1579PRV_int_011752.3071Right.1752.5863
1580PRV_se0_ag2_m_021752.7851And those- there were no houses that made it in Princeville but in the- in the area down the highway there about1756.9959
1582 1757.2326half a mile,1757.8526 
1584 1758.4207there were some that-1759.4478 
1586 1759.6371that would /fate/ a lot better than others.1761.2587 
1587PRV_int_011761.2540Okay.1761.5664
1588PRV_se0_ag2_m_021761.5995You know.1762.0445
1589misc1762.1155It was /inaudible/.1763.3651
1590PRV_se0_ag2_m_021763.5071Because they sit up- one of 'em sit up on a hill.1765.1969
1591PRV_int_011765.4194Right.1765.7791
1592PRV_se0_ag2_m_021765.7649/Unintelligible/ on a hill.1767.5238
1593 1767.7936So obviously that would save a lot better.1769.7248
1594PRV_int_011769.8100Now I noticed that a lot of the new houses are a little1772.4276
1595PRV_se0_ag2_m_021772.3708Mm-hm.1772.7495
1596PRV_int_011773.1972built up- up a little bit higher.1775.1048
1597PRV_se0_ag2_m_021775.2231Uh,1775.7154
1599 1775.8432well,1776.2218 
1601 1776.4869they had to.1777.0549 
1602PRV_int_011777.1496Yeah.1777.4999
1603PRV_se0_ag2_m_021777.7649You know, they had to build 'em up, you know, to build 'em back.1779.9309
1604PRV_int_011780.0303Yeah.1780.3319
1605PRV_se0_ag2_m_021780.3991So that's- that's good in a sense but1782.5485
1607 1783.0076course you /?/- there's- nothing's gonna1784.5696 
1609 1785.3581out level that if it- if that happens, so. If that [water] comes over the dyke now1789.1827 
1610PRV_int_011787.5734[Yeah.]1787.8148
1611PRV_se0_ag2_m_021789.6797you got a problem.1790.3140
1612PRV_int_011790.3499Yeah.1790.6339
1613PRV_se0_ag2_m_021790.7996You know, [you got a serious] problem.1792.0492
1614PRV_int_011791.1262[You still got a problem.]1791.8865
1616 1792.0019Yeah.1792.2527 
1617PRV_se0_ag2_m_021792.2007But that dyke has been raised if I'm not mistaken quite a few feet1795.5567
1618PRV_int_011795.6939Yeah.1795.9401
1619PRV_se0_ag2_m_021796.0348from the- from the previous height so if it comes over that dyke now,1799.4740
1621 1799.7816and I've seen /???/ make you think.1801.6087 
1622PRV_int_011801.8407Yeah.1802.2146
1623PRV_se0_ag2_m_021802.6264And uh, [went out there] one day, and I- it was1804.8681
1624PRV_int_011802.9179[/Right./]1803.1877
1625PRV_se0_ag2_m_021805.7154enough to make you wonder.1806.7473
1626PRV_int_011806.9508Really?1807.2490
1627PRV_se0_ag2_m_021807.3200You know, it was only probably a good fifteen feet away from the top1811.1474
1629 1811.3225highest point of the dyke.1812.4254 
1630PRV_int_011812.4065Hm.1812.6810
1631 1813.1023[This was a-] another s- rain storm [you had?]1815.2682
1632PRV_se0_ag2_m_021813.1117[You know.]1813.5330
1634 1814.8942[Mm-hm.] Another rain storm we had. It had rained for like a week.1817.7374 
1635PRV_int_011817.9662Hm.1818.1934
1636PRV_se0_ag2_m_021818.3449And water had um- had1820.1010
1638 1820.3424rose quite a bit.1821.1943 
1639PRV_int_011821.3818Wow.1821.7131
1640PRV_se0_ag2_m_021822.1533And that's when the town started seeing a lot of phone calls1824.1650
1641PRV_int_011824.3828Yeah.1824.6526
1642PRV_se0_ag2_m_021824.6857cause you could see going /up the river/1826.2904
1644 1826.4702that highway /jutted/ from the uh,1827.9356 
1646 1828.1675railroad track [how] high it's getting and [it was] pretty high.1830.5863 
1647PRV_int_011828.8160[Yeah.]1829.1284
1649 1829.8384[Mm.]1830.0562 
1650 1830.6431Mm.1830.9177
1651PRV_se0_ag2_m_021831.1259You know? And uh,1831.9022
1653 1832.2525and even now when the river just rise1833.7794 
1655 1833.9593period now we get phone calls.1835.1758 
1656PRV_int_011835.2231Really?1835.4834
1657PRV_se0_ag2_m_021835.6728You know, is it gonna [flood? Or is everything] alright? [Really, you know], it's just, you know, people just now panic when it- when it rain now period.1841.8195
1658PRV_int_011836.8325[<laugh>]1837.4762
1660 1838.0868[<laugh>]1838.6359 
1661 1841.8195I bet.1842.1840
1662PRV_se0_ag2_m_021842.4159[You know.]1842.9082
1663PRV_int_011842.4207[I bet.]1842.9508
1664 1843.2443I bet.1843.6277
1665PRV_se0_ag2_m_021843.6182I don't think some people will mentally ever get over that.1846.1013
1666PRV_int_011846.2859Really? Sure [sure.]1847.3225
1667PRV_se0_ag2_m_021847.0196[You know], I don't think they will.1848.2834
1668 1848.6479Yeah.1849.0455
1669PRV_int_011849.7791How has the town been recovering since- since then?1852.5983
1670PRV_se0_ag2_m_021853.2657It's been recovering1854.3923
1672 1854.5627actually faster than I thought.1856.0016 
1673PRV_int_011856.0111Really?1856.3188
1674PRV_se0_ag2_m_021856.8205Cause I'm sort of surprised to see that many people come back1859.6538
1676 1859.8479[so soon.]1860.4633 
1677PRV_int_011859.8905[Yeah.]1860.1698
1678 1860.6810Yeah.1860.9413
1679PRV_se0_ag2_m_021861.1165I rode through there after the flood when they allowed the public to come through?1864.2575
1680PRV_int_011864.3095Mm.1864.5699
1681PRV_se0_ag2_m_021864.7734And um,1865.4598
1683 1865.8100and it's- it look-1866.8419 
1685 1866.9697it just look like a ghost town.1868.2809 
1686PRV_int_011868.3708Mm.1868.7022
1687PRV_se0_ag2_m_021868.9889You know, I mean when you see houses sitting in the highway,1871.3922
1689 1871.9284you know, that water pushed in the highway [and everything], the houses just tore all to pieces, just1875.7463 
1690PRV_int_011873.5709[Mm.]1873.7839
1691PRV_se0_ag2_m_021876.1912yesterday, just didn't look like that and today it's just like,1878.7899
1693 1878.9508you know, a- a- something out of a horror movie.1880.6150 
1694PRV_int_011880.7712Mm-hm. [Yeah.]1881.6705
1695PRV_se0_ag2_m_021881.5191[You] know, when it- when everything like that, so you could ride through here on a boat and practically touch the stop- the stop light with your hand, that's [how high] it [was.]1888.3812
1696PRV_int_011887.3392[Mm.]1887.7557
1698 1887.9924[Wow.]1888.3427 
1699PRV_se0_ag2_m_021888.6787And now I think it got probably1890.3686
1701 1890.9555a foot from being completely to the ceiling inside the fire station.1893.7652 
1702PRV_int_011893.7699Mm.1894.1391
1703PRV_se0_ag2_m_021894.4373You know.1894.9012
1704misc1895.0423/inaudible/ (whispered)1896.4224
1705PRV_se0_ag2_m_021896.6905Pretty much, wont it?1897.4667
1706misc1897.6655/inaudible/1897.9969
1708 1898.3357/inaudible/1899.3534 
1710 1899.6895/inaudible/1900.1439 
1711PRV_int_011900.5651Hm, this [building here was submerged?]1902.2266
1712PRV_se0_ag2_m_021901.2894[We just about- Yeah.] As a matter of fact, cause I saw the pictures and it was1904.1957
1713 1904.3898probably about that much from being from the roof.1906.0208
1714PRV_int_011906.2291[So they were able to-]1907.2894
1715misc1906.3332[/Inaudible/]1907.6586
1716 1907.9520Yeah /eighty one/ outside.1909.4762
1717PRV_se0_ag2_m_021909.6040Yeah.1909.8691
1718PRV_int_011910.2762So they restored this building [here?]1911.8457
1719PRV_se0_ag2_m_021911.6611[Oh yeah] it's been [redone.]1912.3001
1720PRV_int_011912.0871[Oh] o- okay.1912.9202
1721PRV_se0_ag2_m_021913.1474[Uh-]1913.5213
1722PRV_int_011913.1474[Okay.]1913.5308
1723 1914.2692Cause I know a lot of the places look-1915.6892
1725 1915.9401look new.1916.4844 
1726PRV_se0_ag2_m_021916.7286[Oh yeah. <laugh>]1917.7226
1727PRV_int_011916.7286[Like they had to replace it.]1917.7841
1728PRV_se0_ag2_m_021918.0918Yeah, I think uh- there was no house to save in Princeville, so whatever you see is either been remodeled or been replaced. [I mean], it's not-1924.4515
1729PRV_int_011923.7368[Mm-hm.]1924.1107
1730PRV_se0_ag2_m_021924.6077there was nothing livable-1925.7438
1732 1926.0609[in livable] condition in this town after the flood washed away, oh it was nasty.1929.0430 
1733PRV_int_011926.0751[Yeah.]1926.3639
1734 1929.3913Yeah.1929.7368
1735PRV_se0_ag2_m_021929.9214Yeah.1930.2243
1736PRV_int_011930.5699Alright.1930.9060
1737PRV_se0_ag2_m_021931.2231/Let me open it for you./1932.2029
1738PRV_int_011933.5567So there was a- I'm sure there was like a water line at some-1936.5746
1740 1936.8444kind of mark where you could see1938.1054 
1741PRV_se0_ag2_m_021938.1130Yeah.1938.4822
1742PRV_int_011938.4396after [the flood?]1939.4809
1743PRV_se0_ag2_m_021938.8609[Oh yeah.] You can see it- you can still see it on the old town hall now.1942.0492
1744PRV_int_011942.0303Yeah.1942.3474
1745PRV_se0_ag2_m_021942.3616You know, so it was- it was just1943.7627
1747 1944.4443amazing. You can see it pretty high, no doubt about that.1947.0416 
1748PRV_int_011947.3865Okay.1947.7415
1749PRV_se0_ag2_m_021948.0066So.1948.3379
1750PRV_int_011948.8397But you say it's been-1949.8195
1752 1950.3307been doing pretty well in terms of [rebuilding?]1952.1815 
1753PRV_se0_ag2_m_021951.4573[Oh yeah, they on] the rise now. /??/ looking forward now to even bringing in more businesses now1956.5295
1754PRV_int_011956.5011[Okay.]1957.0171
1755PRV_se0_ag2_m_021956.7425[so] you know it's- it's on the rise.1958.3898
1756 1958.6264So we just1959.2500
1758 1959.4907hope there's only one way and that's up for the town of Princeville.1962.3591 
1759PRV_int_011962.5059[Okay.]1962.9792
1760PRV_se0_ag2_m_021962.6715[We just] have to hope that.1963.7744
1761 1964.3614You know.1964.7353
1763 1965.2540We hope that it be true.1966.3143 
1764PRV_int_011966.4610Yeah.1966.8586
1765PRV_se0_ag2_m_021966.8728Yeah.1967.3225
1766PRV_int_011968.0467What are some of the- some of the ways that1969.7791
1768 1970.5886you can kind of see it's1971.5664 
1770 1971.8031kind of coming back?1972.8018 
1771PRV_se0_ag2_m_021973.1379Um,1973.7106
1773 1974.6289well with the1975.7271 
1775 1976.0300neighborhood that was flooded1977.4007 
1777 1977.9072uh, think most of all those residents1980.2218 
1779 1981.6371are back-1982.1768 
1781 1982.3093are /new/.1982.9625 
1782PRV_int_011983.1593Sure.1983.4481
1783PRV_se0_ag2_m_021983.5995You know, cause I don't think we- they didn't enter into the buyout program [to decide] to come back. So either1987.8359
1784PRV_int_011986.2076[Mm.]1986.4538
1785PRV_se0_ag2_m_021988.2762it's either your house or someone bought the house1990.3805
1787 1990.7829and someone- and something else /you did/ on the- on the lot in ninety days, so1993.8888 
1788PRV_int_011993.8786Hm.1994.2052
1789PRV_se0_ag2_m_021994.3188um,1994.6264
1791 1995.1120actually look like the flood1996.4894 
1793 1996.7024basically never happened.1997.6302 
1794PRV_int_011997.7154Really?1998.0372
1795PRV_se0_ag2_m_021998.3875And [you know when you look] around, look like a new town.2000.2884
1796PRV_int_011998.6242[Yeah.]1998.9224
1797 2000.2904Yeah.2000.5879
1798PRV_se0_ag2_m_022000.8611You know, so you ain't look like the flood just never happened.2003.5734
1799PRV_int_012003.7627Mm-hm.2004.1357
1800PRV_se0_ag2_m_022004.2029You know, so. But you know it did.2005.8644
1801PRV_int_012006.0584[Yeah.]2006.3756
1802PRV_se0_ag2_m_022006.1389[But] after so much new stuff around here like just a new2008.9959
1803 2009.2894settlement.2009.6633
1805 2009.8479Like a new development.2010.7993 
1806PRV_int_012010.7615[Mm.]2011.0739
1807PRV_se0_ag2_m_022010.9319[/??/] the new apartment building looks2012.4560
1808 2012.7617beautiful.2013.2256
1809PRV_int_012013.5475[Yeah.]2013.8835
1810PRV_se0_ag2_m_022013.5806[You know] so it's just like,2014.9344
1811 2016.0088everything you need.2016.6857
1812PRV_int_012016.8656Yeah.2017.1922
1813PRV_se0_ag2_m_022017.1591Someone now growing up would not even think of being-2019.7273
1814 2019.9309uh, seeing /it/ this town actually like it looked.2022.2171
1815PRV_int_012022.3875Mm-hm-hm.2022.7899
1816PRV_se0_ag2_m_022022.7236You know, cause so everything is just so new.2024.4869
1817 2024.7164And some of the businesses that wanted to come2026.3379
1819 2026.6645that was here before the flood,2027.9615 
1821 2028.3970uh, either they came back or someone now taking their place2031.3297 
1822PRV_int_012031.5143[Okay.]2031.8551
1823PRV_se0_ag2_m_022031.5569[in those] buildings, [so]2032.7166
1824PRV_int_012032.3332[Okay.]2032.8492
1825PRV_se0_ag2_m_022032.8728everything is back operation.2034.1556
1826PRV_int_012034.1982Wow.2034.4585
1828 2034.9177[Okay.]2035.2916 
1829PRV_se0_ag2_m_022035.0549[Yeah.]2035.2632
1830 2035.5283Everything is back to normal.2036.6454
1831PRV_int_012038.2811And why- why do you think that is? How-2039.8242
1833 2040.0751why do you [think it-]2040.7615 
1834PRV_se0_ag2_m_022040.4538[That's a] good question. [<laugh>]2042.2809
1835PRV_int_012041.4857[<laugh>]2042.1484
1836PRV_se0_ag2_m_022042.6974I think2043.2500
1838 2043.4149one of the things that2044.4326 
1840 2044.5888you know, is if-2045.3888 
1842 2046.0420uh,2046.6005 
1844 2047.1780when people had to- sometime hate to drive all the way across town2049.7844 
1845PRV_int_012049.7463Mm.2050.0445
1846PRV_se0_ag2_m_022050.1770just to get a soda.2051.1568
1847PRV_int_012051.5402Right.2051.8242
1848PRV_se0_ag2_m_022051.7864Uh, if they put a business over here,2053.5283
1849 2053.7697you know, maybe we can drive there2055.2500
1850PRV_int_012055.3960[Mm.]2055.6611
1851PRV_se0_ag2_m_022055.4197[and get] that soda.2056.1533
1852PRV_int_012056.3048[Mm-hm.]2056.7024
1853PRV_se0_ag2_m_022056.5178[You] know, so uh, that have a lot to do with it. [You know], if you- if you're closer,2059.9874
1854PRV_int_012058.4964[Sure.]2058.8467
1855PRV_se0_ag2_m_022060.1862I'm just gonna stop here.2060.9909
1856PRV_int_012061.1498Yeah.2061.4954
1857PRV_se0_ag2_m_022061.5711You know, so that has helped a lot.2062.9864
1858PRV_int_012063.1568[Mm-hm.]2063.5166
1859PRV_se0_ag2_m_022063.1663[You know] and then people just2064.2311
1860 2064.4538got used to going to this location and those same people are still returning2068.4941
1861PRV_int_012068.6267Mm-hm.2069.0101
1862PRV_se0_ag2_m_022069.0669to those same stores.2070.0609
1863PRV_int_012070.1366Mm-hm.2070.6431
1864PRV_se0_ag2_m_022070.7094You know, so that's- that's the main thing. Just2073.0288
1866 2073.3629closer, just quick access.2074.8255 
1867PRV_int_012074.9154Mm-hm.2075.3746
1868PRV_se0_ag2_m_022075.6538You know, I think that would be the key.2077.0975
1869PRV_int_012077.2916Sure.2077.6834
1870PRV_se0_ag2_m_022077.6608You know just quick access.2078.9909
1871PRV_int_012080.1439Why- i- do- why-2081.0432
1873 2081.2752d- I mean,2082.0846 
1875 2082.5721obviously2083.1591 
1877 2084.2052people could have chosen to just kind of2086.0871 
1878PRV_se0_ag2_m_022086.6314[Yeah.]2087.0101
1879PRV_int_012086.7261[not] move back.2087.7580
1880 2088.1319But uh- you say everyb- you know, a lot of people decided-2090.9388
1882 2091.2161almost, what?2091.9403 
1884 2092.1013How many people- Is it close to where it was? The [population?]2095.3626 
1885PRV_se0_ag2_m_022094.5343[It is] back to close to where it [was.] I think we've had uh, think last night found out it was2099.1095
1886PRV_int_012096.2221[Yeah.]2096.5061
1887PRV_se0_ag2_m_022099.8100little over two thousand now, [about twenty] two hundred /??/ and it had like twenty five or twenty eight.2105.0101
1888PRV_int_012101.4667[Wow.]2101.8880
1889 2105.3036Oh wow.2105.7485
1890PRV_se0_ag2_m_022105.7248You know, so it's not far away2107.1212
1891PRV_int_012107.2111Sure.2107.5046
1892PRV_se0_ag2_m_022107.4241you know, from after being /a hundred since/.2109.7699
1893 2110.3237And so that's- that's great.2111.6775
1894PRV_int_012111.7722Yeah.2112.0514
1895PRV_se0_ag2_m_022112.0467You know, that's great. I mean that's- that's shocking though.2114.3140
1896PRV_int_012114.3472Yeah.2114.6454
1897PRV_se0_ag2_m_022114.7380In- in2115.4386
1899 2117.0054two years.2117.5970 
1900PRV_int_012118.0420Yeah.2118.3544
1901PRV_se0_ag2_m_022118.3402You know, [that's] shocking. I- I think a lot of 'em-2120.6359
1902PRV_int_012118.6763[Yeah.]2118.9508
1903PRV_se0_ag2_m_022120.9842well for one thing so many people own their own property over here.2123.3144
1904PRV_int_012123.3320Mm-hm.2123.6538
1905PRV_se0_ag2_m_022123.6207And they- and they just rather rebuild on their own property help cut down cost.2127.1850
1906PRV_int_012127.2919Mm-hm.2127.6847
1907PRV_se0_ag2_m_022127.6469Uh, Tarboro don't have it so much land [for you to go] to and a lot just 'em didn't wanna leave.2131.3957
1908PRV_int_012129.5118[Yeah.]2129.8716
1909PRV_se0_ag2_m_022131.7318I hear a lot of people say well call the job, you know, closer to their job, they didn't wanna go to another town, [so]2136.6147
1910PRV_int_012136.0846[Mm-hm.]2136.5958
1911PRV_se0_ag2_m_022136.9650you know, it was just convenient. It's just convenient2138.8489
1912PRV_int_012138.9512[Really?]2139.3013
1913PRV_se0_ag2_m_022139.1498[for] a lot of people right now. Somebody been on their job for ten years2141.6775
1914 2142.0609won't move in- into another town, and drive back2143.9922
1916 2144.1768here Tarboro to their job.2145.4528 
1917PRV_int_012145.4433Okay.2145.7747
1918PRV_se0_ag2_m_022145.7699You know, they just wont gonna do that.2146.8018
1919PRV_int_012146.9912Okay.2147.3982
1920PRV_se0_ag2_m_022147.4976Uh.2147.9094
1921PRV_int_012149.1969Even if2149.7602
1923 2149.8880they weren't sure they was gonna be-2151.2114 
1924PRV_se0_ag2_m_022151.3960Yeah,2151.7747
1926 2151.9735you know, the risk will still be [there], but it just2154.2834 
1927PRV_int_012153.3509[Yeah.]2153.5970
1928PRV_se0_ag2_m_022155.2585old /conveniency/. [You know, that's] all it was. You know, just more convenient for me to come back home.2159.2941
1929PRV_int_012156.2458[Yeah.]2156.5960
1930PRV_se0_ag2_m_022159.5213[<laugh> You know-] Yeah, it- yeah.2161.6703
1931PRV_int_012160.0704[Yeah, roots.]2160.9319
1933 2161.4667[Root-2161.7697 
1934PRV_se0_ag2_m_022161.8786[Just come back-] Yep, your roots is here and what then,2164.3001
1935PRV_int_012161.9685[your roots.]2162.5412
1936PRV_se0_ag2_m_022164.8776I don't think a lot of people r- that's in this town realize the roots that this town really2169.0288
1938 2169.3061has.2169.6847 
1939PRV_int_012169.6185Yeah.2169.9687
1940PRV_se0_ag2_m_022170.4894You know, [I mean] to be a part of town of this age,2173.2774
1941PRV_int_012170.8397[Yeah.]2171.1758
1942 2173.2916Mm-hm.2173.7176
1943PRV_se0_ag2_m_022173.8123you know, [and-] and it's- it's really,2176.1107
1944PRV_int_012174.4493[Yeah.]2174.7380
1945PRV_se0_ag2_m_022176.3616to me, an honor2177.1900
1946PRV_int_012177.4124Sure.2177.8574
1947PRV_se0_ag2_m_022177.9615you know, [to] be a part of that. And I- and I would guarantee you most people- Now these guys, their age know that, [but]2183.4976
1948PRV_int_012178.4349[Yeah.]2178.6857
1950 2183.1805[Yeah.]2183.5071 
1951PRV_se0_ag2_m_022183.8763I guarantee you younger guys, the teenagers,2185.9306
1952PRV_int_012186.1673Yeah.2186.4134
1953PRV_se0_ag2_m_022186.4134don't real appreciate the roots and the history that the town has /?/ left behind,2190.4775
1954PRV_int_012190.4964Yeah.2190.7425
1955PRV_se0_ag2_m_022190.7236for them to have this piece of land, to know that slaves wanted to live here.2193.8125
1956PRV_int_012193.9119You're right.2194.3190
1957PRV_se0_ag2_m_022194.4847You know, and [they don't-] they don't know that.2195.9331
1958PRV_int_012194.8870[Yeah.]2195.2266
1959 2195.9568Yeah.2196.2881
1960PRV_se0_ag2_m_022196.4254You know, or the know it and don't appreciate it2198.2856
1962 2198.6122mentally like we do.2199.6279 
1963PRV_int_012199.8220Sure.2200.1439
1964PRV_se0_ag2_m_022200.2385You know, they don't- they don't do that. All they /looking at/ is2202.1272
1966 2202.5485football game Friday night, [you know (laughing). <laugh>] You know, I got a- uh, a date but they don't-2207.8100 
1967PRV_int_012203.7365[Right right right.]2204.9578
1968 2207.8621Yeah.2208.1508
1969PRV_se0_ag2_m_022208.1556they don't know that.2208.7615
1970PRV_int_012208.9839And maybe uh, they- they-2210.4182
1972 2210.9747as they get a little bit older, they [/?/-]2212.3379 
1973PRV_se0_ag2_m_022211.9687[Then they'll] probably look back on it same as we do cause nowadays you know, younger people have that2216.1152
1974 2216.6312uh, different type mind than-2217.9261
1976 2218.0918than- than-2218.8255 
1978 2219.1474the older [generation at that] time, you know, /unintelligible/.2221.7697 
1979PRV_int_012219.9189[Sure.]2220.4112
1980PRV_se0_ag2_m_022222.2931But um,2222.7901
1982 2223.0362you know, that just-2223.7605 
1984 2223.9119that's true.2224.4089 
1986 2224.6219And I'm beginning to now2225.7343 
1988 2226.5106soak in the fact that2227.8833 
1990 2228.2383you know, the oldest black town chartered by American is-2230.9912 
1991PRV_int_012231.1190Mm.2231.3651
1992PRV_se0_ag2_m_022231.4787it's- it-2231.9994
1994 2232.3591when you have the /faith/ that's- that's amazing.2234.0158 
1995PRV_int_012234.0632[Mm-hm.]2234.4466
1996PRV_se0_ag2_m_022234.2762[You know] to- to be here and be a part of that is actually amazing.2237.5970
1997PRV_int_012237.6160Yeah.2237.8810
1998PRV_se0_ag2_m_022238.1224You know?2238.5343
2000 2239.1543Uh, so maybe someone will wanna come through here as a tour site.2241.9573 
2002 2242.1155And that's what they're working on is you know, make it so that people wanna come see this town.2245.4951 
2003PRV_int_012245.5661Yeah.2245.9259
2004PRV_se0_ag2_m_022246.0111You know, to know that so, I think2247.9013
2006 2248.3663uh,2248.7782 
2008 2249.1190it's possible2249.9047 
2010 2250.1272you know, /as many/2250.8277 
2012 2251.1543you know,2251.6371 
2014 2252.7069Black Americans /ought to- should/ at least ride [through at some] point in time one day to just say they- they've been here.2258.0300 
2015PRV_int_012255.1710[Sure.]2255.5355
2016 2258.0442Yeah.2258.2856
2017PRV_se0_ag2_m_022258.5203You know, cause there's a lot a lot of roots here.2260.2764
2018PRV_int_012260.3427Mm-hm.2260.7119
2019PRV_se0_ag2_m_022260.8539You know.2261.3509
2021 2261.8384/I say/2262.4301 
2023 2262.9745hope that they'll- they'll do that.2264.1200 
2024PRV_int_012264.4134Yeah.2264.6785
2026 2265.5948When did you2266.3143 
2028 2266.4326become aware- you said, you know, being younger probably didn't2269.2064 
2030 2269.6750really appreciate it. When did you2271.1735 
2032 2271.5995start to appreciate the-2272.8302 
2033PRV_se0_ag2_m_022273.5260<laugh>2273.9331
2035 2274.5721Actually probably when I was-2276.1673 
2037 2277.0220I would say thirty.2277.8788 
2038PRV_int_012278.1107Okay.2278.4989
2039PRV_se0_ag2_m_022278.4326I started to-2279.0764
2040 2279.4503to realize then that at-2280.9719
2042 2281.3957when you're on your own you start looking back into2283.3723 
2044 2283.5001the- the days now saying, you know, well, uh, yeah, I start hearing this about what the town is2287.7933 
2046 2288.2951this and town is oldest this and that and [started] saying, what do you mean the oldest? Cause I didn't know that. [You know], so if you're the oldest2293.8028 
2047PRV_int_012290.3805[Yeah.]2290.6267
2049 2292.5627[Mm-hm.]2292.8893 
2050PRV_se0_ag2_m_022294.2572town, this and that, you [know, you gotta] think about everything you do2297.2700
2051PRV_int_012295.5001[Mm.]2295.7605
2052PRV_se0_ag2_m_022297.7864uh, is pretty much the first.2299.1543
2053PRV_int_012299.3579Right.2299.7933
2054PRV_se0_ag2_m_022299.8359You know, so the first2300.7522
2056 2301.2114fire chief or the first police chief is the very first one of the oldest town in the- [<laugh> you know (laughing) so] you just, you know, I won't be the first anything, but /you're asked/ to be a part of [that-]2309.9804 
2057PRV_int_012304.8561[Right. Right. Right.]2306.2430
2059 2309.8952[Oh] yeah.2310.2644 
2060PRV_se0_ag2_m_022310.2692that history will be-2311.1733
2062 2311.4951is- is- is an honor.2312.5081 
2063PRV_int_012312.6102Yeah.2312.9368
2064PRV_se0_ag2_m_022313.0126You know, to me, it- it- it's great.2314.6108
2066 2314.9959You know, and I think it should be2316.0562 
2068 2316.3260an honor to anyone2317.3247 
2070 2317.5188to be a part of a town with that kind of history behind it, whether it was2320.5462 
2072 2320.9770black or white or whatever, it should be- it's- it's good to be a part of2323.8738 
2073PRV_int_012323.9117Mm-hm. [Yeah.]2324.4655
2074PRV_se0_ag2_m_022324.2856[something] to that- [to that] level.2325.7747
2075PRV_int_012324.9794[Mm.]2325.2871
2077 2325.7557Yeah.2326.1013 
2078PRV_se0_ag2_m_022326.4705You know.2326.8160
2079PRV_int_012328.2786You said ev- everything you do has some-2330.5507
2080PRV_se0_ag2_m_022330.8469Oh yeah. [Yeah, it's some- some sort of]2332.9438
2081PRV_int_012331.2114[some- something a little more special to it.] [Yeah.]2333.4172
2082PRV_se0_ag2_m_022333.1474[specialty] to it because it's the oldest [and the] first.2335.8833
2083PRV_int_012335.2443[Yeah.]2335.5141
2084PRV_se0_ag2_m_022336.3756You know, just like2337.3155
2086 2337.5569you can take a movie star /that's/ from Princeville and you won't look at 'em the same when they come back to Princeville as you would if you take somebody from another state.2344.6975 
2087PRV_int_012344.6409Yeah.2344.9438
2088PRV_se0_ag2_m_022344.9864And I don't know if that's mental or [what] but2346.9366
2089PRV_int_012346.3307[Right.]2346.6195
2090PRV_se0_ag2_m_022347.3721um, if I weren't from Princeville and visit here I'll be2350.2101
2092 2350.5415more appreciative that fact that2352.1934 
2094 2352.6203I'm here in the- in the oldest town in America-2354.7590 
2095PRV_int_012354.8063Y- [Right.]2355.2500
2096PRV_se0_ag2_m_022354.9700[black] town and so you know but2356.3521
2097 2356.5225to know that now I grew up in this area and [I'm part] of this area now I appreciate it even more.2360.3850
2098PRV_int_012358.4396[Hm.]2358.6715
2099 2360.5365Sure.2360.8726
2100PRV_se0_ag2_m_022361.0646You know, I appreciate it more.2362.1486
2101PRV_int_012362.3853Yeah.2362.6787
2102PRV_se0_ag2_m_022362.6030And that's why I kind of wanted you to speak to some of the older guys2365.2443
2103PRV_int_012365.3673Sure.2365.7507
2104PRV_se0_ag2_m_022365.6703while they were still young.2366.5980
2105PRV_int_012366.6244[<laugh>]2368.3427
2106PRV_se0_ag2_m_022366.9889[You know? <laugh>]2368.6361
2107misc2368.7498[/inaudible/]2369.7390
2108PRV_se0_ag2_m_022368.8539[<laugh> While /Milton's/ still young.]2370.1556
2109PRV_int_012369.6917[Yeah.]2370.0940
2110misc2370.4585How you gonna do that?2371.1354
2111PRV_se0_ag2_m_022371.1827[<laugh>]2372.9104
2112PRV_int_012371.1875[<laugh>]2372.9483
2113misc2372.1484[/inaudible/]2373.7226
2114PRV_se0_ag2_m_022373.5238[<laugh>]2374.4894
2115PRV_int_012373.7164[<laugh>]2374.6318
2116misc2374.8988[/inaudible/]2375.9662
2117PRV_se0_ag2_m_022374.9675[Oh man.]2375.7296
2118PRV_int_012376.2218[Oh] right right.2377.1212
2119PRV_se0_ag2_m_022376.3260[<laugh>]2376.5958
2120PRV_int_012377.8359Well yeah yeah. So uh,2379.6989
2121misc2379.6942Okay.2379.9829
2122PRV_int_012380.7498yeah definitely. We wanna talk to everybody and- and- and record the-2384.4134
2124 2384.8895as much as we can2385.9829 
2126 2386.1533of the history.2386.9486 
2127misc2386.9533/?/2387.3414
2128PRV_int_012387.9426Um,2388.2929
2130 2389.1070but you- now you say uh,2390.5933 
2132 2391.2729you been here for-2392.1817 
2134 2392.7261for2393.1237 
2136 2393.4361about- let's say2394.5201 
2138 2394.8325thirty years?2395.4194 
2139PRV_se0_ag2_m_022395.3011About thirty [years.]2396.0584
2140PRV_int_012395.8407[About] thirty years?2396.6501
2141 2397.1925Um,2397.6185
2143 2398.0681and uh, you seen the flood and uh,2400.7288 
2145 2401.3531a lot of different things happening in Princeville?2403.3723 
2146PRV_se0_ag2_m_022403.7652Uh,2404.1249
2148 2404.2669yeah.2404.6503 
2150 2404.7971[<laugh>]2405.1095 
2151PRV_int_012404.8302[<laugh>]2405.1379
2152PRV_se0_ag2_m_022405.3982Government wise. <laugh>2407.0549
2154 2407.4147I seen some good days and some- [and some] tough days. [I won't-] I won't use the word bad, I just say2411.7911 
2155PRV_int_012408.9984[Yeah.]2409.2871
2157 2409.8551[Yeah.]2410.1912 
2158PRV_se0_ag2_m_022411.9946tough days.2412.6668
2159PRV_int_012412.6479Okay.2413.0975
2160PRV_se0_ag2_m_022413.0975Uh, so uh, seen 'em come through2415.1897
2161 2415.5617some- some dark cloud.2416.9154
2162PRV_int_012417.0527Yeah.2417.3462
2163PRV_se0_ag2_m_022417.3651You know, I- I seen some times when you think the town is really going2420.5696
2165 2420.9558under,2421.4670 
2166PRV_int_012421.7273Yeah.2421.9829
2167PRV_se0_ag2_m_022422.1107you know, came out.2423.0196
2168PRV_int_012423.1852Yeah.2423.4645
2169PRV_se0_ag2_m_022423.4882You know, and- and with flying colors.2424.9934
2170PRV_int_012425.0786Okay.2425.5283
2171PRV_se0_ag2_m_022425.4904And I wanna continue to see that2426.8158
2172 2426.9558[you know], um-2427.8930
2173PRV_int_012426.9889[Yeah.]2427.2966
2174 2428.2527Like [uh-]2428.7592
2175PRV_se0_ag2_m_022428.3853[/?/]2428.7071
2176PRV_int_012429.0811like- like what- what times are you [referring to?]2431.5669
2177PRV_se0_ag2_m_022431.2301[Uh], I remember probably2433.2019
2178 2433.8031about2434.5131
2180 2437.1259eight to nine years ago when- How long it been since /RD-NAME-2/2439.7226 
2182 2440.1060been gone?2440.5367 
2183misc2441.4284It hasn't been that long.2442.3733
2185 2442.8041Five-2443.2064 
2186PRV_se0_ag2_m_022443.1733Five years?2443.7460
2187misc2443.3957[/Round/ about five years.2444.4844
2188PRV_se0_ag2_m_022444.4304About five years the town was really really2446.5699
2189 2447.0764in a financial bind2448.1887
2190PRV_int_012448.2550Really?2448.5201
2191PRV_se0_ag2_m_022448.5343and uh,2449.1354
2193 2449.7129in my opinion it was sort of under some2451.7557 
2195 2452.4326very very poor management.2454.0230 
2196PRV_int_012454.2786Mm-hm.2454.6763
2197PRV_se0_ag2_m_022454.8041And uh,2455.4383
2199 2455.6939sort of2456.2383 
2201 2457.4102had everybody concerned,2458.3970 
2202PRV_int_012458.5320Yeah.2458.7924
2203PRV_se0_ag2_m_022459.0243you know, and luckily the state did even- have to come in and step in to help with get the town back on track but2464.2859
2205 2464.7876um,2465.2941 
2207 2465.4976you know, we don't wanna see that.2466.5674 
2208PRV_int_012466.8325[Mkay.]2467.1969
2209PRV_se0_ag2_m_022467.0265[You know], we wanna be able to run our own [town and] handle our own business like [that.]2470.4279
2210PRV_int_012468.7096[Sure.]2469.0504
2212 2470.1060[Mm-hm.]2470.4326 
2213PRV_se0_ag2_m_022470.6551Accept the money from the state,2471.9520
2214PRV_int_012472.2408Right.2472.5248
2215PRV_se0_ag2_m_022472.4254you know, but let us2473.1875
2216 2473.3910spend our own money (laughing).2474.5128
2218 2474.8753So we wanna- we wanna see that and2476.8870 
2220 2477.1048uh,2477.5355 
2222 2477.7485we- so we- we're there now.2479.4099 
2223PRV_int_012479.6087[Yeah.]2479.9212
2224PRV_se0_ag2_m_022479.7744[You know] we- we still got some-2481.2493
2225 2481.8267some I guess they say rocky roads or tough bridges to try to cross over now, but it's- it's gonna get there.2487.1635
2227 2487.3865[It- it's] gonna get there.2488.5557 
2228PRV_int_012487.4007[Yeah.]2487.7605
2229 2489.1095What uh, what do you remember about that time- those times and-2492.1673
2230PRV_se0_ag2_m_022492.2241Um,2492.7637
2232 2493.1025well I remember the employees2494.3758 
2234 2494.6219quitting,2495.0764 
2236 2495.4456um, going on strike because they were-2497.0502 
2238 2497.2064they felt they was being treated unfairly [at- on] his administration.2500.3474 
2239PRV_int_012498.8706[Really?]2499.2635
2240 2500.5178Okay.2500.9082
2241PRV_se0_ag2_m_022500.8776Uh,2501.3320
2242 2501.4834I think everyone quit on his administration except for one person.2504.7779
2243PRV_int_012504.9700Really?2505.3250
2244PRV_se0_ag2_m_022505.3439And that was one of his police officers. [His] fire chief2507.4834
2245PRV_int_012506.5699[Oh.]2506.8539
2246PRV_se0_ag2_m_022507.6822quit.2507.9757
2248 2508.4775People under him quit.2509.5567 
2249PRV_int_012509.7744Oh [really?]2510.2146
2250PRV_se0_ag2_m_022510.0348[Um],2510.5602
2251 2511.0836the police chief2511.6611
2253 2512.3521quit2512.6503 
2255 2512.8586[and all] his staff quit, [except for] one, so.2515.2963 
2256PRV_int_012512.8870[Yeah.]2513.1237
2258 2514.2786[Wow.]2514.5769 
2259 2515.3105Wow.2515.6608
2260PRV_se0_ag2_m_022515.6466Um,2516.0774
2261 2516.3140all the- I think every /? one of/ the town employees um, are new2519.5402
2262PRV_int_012519.9804Oh [okay.]2520.5769
2263PRV_se0_ag2_m_022520.2171[from his administration] though, so.2521.8217
2264 2522.2667Uh, it was just in uh, turmoil.2523.7949
2265PRV_int_012523.9735[Yeah.]2524.2149
2266PRV_se0_ag2_m_022523.9971[You] know, just people felt like he weren't2526.0325
2267 2526.4538really concerned about the town2527.7081
2268PRV_int_012527.8075Mm-hm.2528.2525
2269PRV_se0_ag2_m_022528.2572and uh,2529.3487
2271 2529.5806the way that it was being handled and it was- it was sad because the newspaper spoke about it2533.4383 
2272PRV_int_012533.8491[Mm.]2534.1524
2273PRV_se0_ag2_m_022533.8541[and] it seem like Princeville is- is sometime in my opinion, seem like we sort of-2537.7845
2274 2538.4619if there's an inch of negativity, people take it and make /another/ mountain.2541.8991
2275PRV_int_012541.9243Right.2542.3186
2276PRV_se0_ag2_m_022542.3034You know, so uh, they- they fail to sometime report the positive things that goes on in the town.2547.2145
2277PRV_int_012547.2903Yeah.2547.5791
2278PRV_se0_ag2_m_022547.6644And I wanna see more positive things reported2549.7397
2280 2549.9773than negative things about Princeville. [Cause there are] some2552.3506 
2281PRV_int_012551.6251[Yeah.]2552.0194
2282PRV_se0_ag2_m_022553.0151positive things in people over here.2554.6023
2283PRV_int_012554.8652Right.2555.1432
2284PRV_se0_ag2_m_022555.3504You know, [and don't] forget those people.2556.9304
2285PRV_int_012555.7527[Sure.]2556.0762
2286 2557.0113[Okay.]2557.3991
2287PRV_se0_ag2_m_022557.2236[You know], everybody's not out to2558.6591
2288 2559.3466uh,2559.8065
2290 2560.3777bring the town down or- or- or we out to make sure that whatever bad we can2564.5558 
2292 2564.7422/help do/ this, you know, make it better.2566.4014 
2293PRV_int_012566.4261Mm-hm.2566.8102
2294PRV_se0_ag2_m_022566.8456You know, but um, you either wanna be a part of the team,2569.3203
2296 2569.4669or you just wait for the team.2570.8721 
2297PRV_int_012570.8316Right.2571.2057
2298PRV_se0_ag2_m_022571.1096You know, but don't make it worse.2572.0498
2299PRV_int_012572.1913Right.2572.5351
2300PRV_se0_ag2_m_022572.5553You know, [so that's-] that's my philosophy, you [know], just try to2575.5982
2301PRV_int_012573.0607[Yeah.]2573.3185
2303 2574.6176[Sure.]2574.9259 
2304PRV_se0_ag2_m_022575.9802come in, do whatever I can do to help.2577.5421
2306 2577.7443[Help the] town2578.4166 
2307PRV_int_012577.7544[Yeah.]2577.9970
2308PRV_se0_ag2_m_022578.5884uh, grow.2579.0790
2309PRV_int_012579.1849Yeah.2579.5286
2310PRV_se0_ag2_m_022579.6550You know,2580.0897
2312 2580.5800so that was a sad day to remember, but um, he was a tough-2583.9140 
2314 2584.2981tough character.2584.8895 
2315PRV_int_012585.0311Yeah.2585.4253
2316PRV_se0_ag2_m_022585.4809You know, and eventually they had to come in and uh, remove him2588.3802
2318 2588.9716through uh- through the state2590.2100 
2319PRV_int_012590.2959[Yeah.]2590.6801
2320PRV_se0_ag2_m_022590.5689[and] charge him.2591.2664
2321PRV_int_012591.7315[Wow.]2592.2571
2322PRV_se0_ag2_m_022591.7618[You know]2592.2268
2323 2592.4442so that's- that's that.2593.6734
2325 2594.3144They say but we- you know, that- that had to happen.2596.3645 
2326PRV_int_012596.5313Yeah.2596.8902
2327PRV_se0_ag2_m_022596.9862You know, but uh, they eventually charged him with some, uh, things that2600.1707
2329 2600.4082he shouldn't have been doing.2601.3383 
2330PRV_int_012601.3817Yeah.2601.7102
2331PRV_se0_ag2_m_022601.9680You know, so we don't wanna cross those bridges.2604.0114
2332PRV_int_012604.0303Right.2604.3235
2333PRV_se0_ag2_m_022604.4903You know.2604.9958
2334PRV_int_012605.8905What uh-2606.6739
2336 2607.2278what-2607.4704 
2338 2608.0265so that was back in the eighties?2609.4216 
2340 2609.6895[Say-]2610.0635 
2341PRV_se0_ag2_m_022609.8512[That was] back in-2611.2867
2342 2611.8377was it the eighties? Or late- [had to] have been the [late eighties?] Nineties yeah.2614.9139
2343misc2612.9093[/Ninety/.]2613.2480
2345 2613.5108[/Or the/ nineties.2614.2770 
2346PRV_int_012615.0150[Earl-]2615.2829
2347misc2615.0453[/Inaudible/]2616.4050
2348PRV_se0_ag2_m_022615.7378[We're only talking about five] years ago. [That's- that's, uh, ninety-five, ninety-six.]2618.6004
2349PRV_int_012616.7589[Oh wow, okay. That was five-]2618.1893
2350misc2617.7627[ninety-six, ninety] seven.2618.9678
2351PRV_int_012619.3266Oh okay.2619.8018
2352misc2619.6956[Ninety-eight.]2620.1101
2353PRV_se0_ag2_m_022619.8624[So] that's-2620.4315
2354 2620.7145That's not a [long time ago. <laugh>]2622.8072
2355misc2621.2554[Ninety-seven- ninety-six.] It was ninety-six isn't it?2623.3683
2356PRV_int_012622.0136[Right right.]2622.7718
2357PRV_se0_ag2_m_022624.7836Ninety-six, okay. Yeah so that's not a long long time ago.2627.7081
2358PRV_int_012627.8092Right.2628.1074
2359PRV_se0_ag2_m_022628.1630But we hope he's long gone.2629.2094
2360PRV_int_012629.5632Yeah.2629.8867
2361PRV_se0_ag2_m_022630.0586You know.2630.5944
2362PRV_int_012631.1049What was the-2631.6609
2364 2631.9389was the quality of life was a little bit harder back then or there was a lot of-2635.9856 
2366 2636.6023the economy wasn't that good or?2638.3107 
2367PRV_se0_ag2_m_022638.3360Uh,2638.9072
2369 2639.3419I don't know who was president back during that time.2641.2858 
2371 2641.9733But it was good [though.]2642.9033 
2372PRV_int_012642.6001[It was] pretty [good?]2643.4897
2373PRV_se0_ag2_m_022643.2673[It was /??/.]2643.8587
2374misc2643.2976[/inaudible/]2645.0617
2375PRV_int_012644.2782[That was-]2644.6775
2376PRV_se0_ag2_m_022645.1072[They say the] economy was good but the morale was coming down.2647.5667
2377PRV_int_012645.1122[Oh yeah.]2645.6025
2379 2647.5465Really?2647.8245 
2380PRV_se0_ag2_m_022647.8295With all the administration problem that [was going on, but the morale] was certainly coming down, but /and/ [but.]2652.3571
2381PRV_int_012649.4976[Ah, okay.]2650.3417
2383 2651.9773[Yeah.]2652.4171 
2384PRV_se0_ag2_m_022652.7557Uh, people attacked.2653.7970
2385PRV_int_012653.9234Yeah.2654.3075
2386PRV_se0_ag2_m_022654.4187You know, that was happening back then.2655.9705
2387PRV_int_012656.1474[Uh-huh.]2656.4869
2388PRV_se0_ag2_m_022656.1575[and so] but now2657.2797
2389 2657.8357it's gonna hit the administration. I think the town started- I think more people started coming to the meeting2661.5437
2391 2662.0593than they ever have in a long time.2663.5185 
2392PRV_int_012663.5151Yeah.2663.7577
2393PRV_se0_ag2_m_022663.7425And you done had a-2664.6271
2394 2665.0293some kind of meeting with four or five people, and then so when this happened, a hundred.2668.0065
2395PRV_int_012668.1279Mm.2668.5019
2396PRV_se0_ag2_m_022668.7294You know, everybody was- was /??/ more people than what the building could hold.2671.4791
2397PRV_int_012671.6842[Wow.]2672.2099
2398PRV_se0_ag2_m_022671.8359[That's how] concerned that people were2673.4584
2399PRV_int_012673.5241[Yeah.]2673.9285
2400PRV_se0_ag2_m_022673.6101[/to/] what's going on with- with the town at the time.2675.5511
2401PRV_int_012675.5460[Okay.]2676.0566
2402PRV_se0_ag2_m_022675.7937[And so] when /RD-NAME-4/2677.0675
2403 2677.4719a /negative/2678.1593
2405 2678.4200strike against the town I can say that we'll rally together.2680.9120 
2406PRV_int_012681.1546Really?2681.4882
2407PRV_se0_ag2_m_022681.6651Yeah they would come together, try to-2683.1057
2409 2683.6011it's something about their problem.2684.5716 
2410PRV_int_012684.7363Yeah.2685.0042
2411PRV_se0_ag2_m_022684.9839[<laugh>] The problem must be removed.2687.1069
2412PRV_int_012685.2367[/Okay./]2685.6411
2413 2687.2535[Yeah.]2687.6427
2414PRV_se0_ag2_m_022687.2586[You know] they will do that.2688.3504
2415 2688.6688[/Yeah/], they will do that.2689.4321
2416PRV_int_012688.6840[Yeah.]2688.9317
2417 2690.0690And it's- it's a s- a smaller town so2692.4577
2418PRV_se0_ag2_m_022692.3667Oh yeah.2692.8014
2419PRV_int_012692.9227people kind of2693.6405
2420PRV_se0_ag2_m_022694.1915[A town] this size should not have this kind of problem.2696.3144
2421PRV_int_012694.2167[know what-]2694.5857
2422 2696.4610Yeah.2696.7289
2423PRV_se0_ag2_m_022697.6366You know, that should be /??/ problem such as2699.8102
2425 2700.4622um,2700.9273 
2427 2701.2255<laugh>2701.8320 
2429 2702.0949well I crashed my car so [<laugh>]2704.0649 
2430PRV_int_012703.2958[<laugh>]2704.1399
2431PRV_se0_ag2_m_022704.3320it shouldn't be management management [constantly.] You know it just2707.7490
2432PRV_int_012706.2780[Right.]2706.7178
2433PRV_se0_ag2_m_022708.0169people sometimes-2708.9874
2435 2709.3311uh,2709.8062 
2437 2709.9810I would like to see the town give people more of a2711.8664 
2439 2712.3231expansion time frame to2713.9759 
2441 2714.2135see what they can and cannot do than to judge 'em on the first month or so and-2717.7670 
2443 2718.1056[and go that] route. I would like to see people give people more time to2720.7168 
2444PRV_int_012718.1187[Mm-hm.]2718.4858
2445PRV_se0_ag2_m_022721.1060you know, to see what they can do.2722.3798
2446PRV_int_012722.5567Yeah.2722.8650
2447PRV_se0_ag2_m_022723.1077You know we- we have short tempers.2724.7555
2448PRV_int_012725.1274Sure.2725.4884
2449PRV_se0_ag2_m_022725.6278You know we don't have a- you don't show,2727.3464
2451 2727.6598you got to go.2728.1906 
2452PRV_int_012728.3169[Okay. <laugh>]2729.4138
2453PRV_se0_ag2_m_022728.5090[You know? <laugh>] So-2730.3590
2454 2730.7764so we need to kind of2732.3434
2456 2732.7225ease off of that some. Give people more- more time to get themselves together.2736.1293 
2457PRV_int_012736.2153Yeah.2736.6601
2458PRV_se0_ag2_m_022736.7359You know, cause if you come in on a bad ship,2738.5838
2460 2738.7910ship not gonna2739.6150 
2462 2739.9385become a good ship over night.2741.4347 
2463PRV_int_012741.4347Right.2741.8340
2464PRV_se0_ag2_m_022742.0715You know and we-2742.8399