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1PRV_int_011.0257So you were saying2.0102
3 2.4200you had some pictures there of- you did a fundraiser with uh, Evander Holyfield?6.4602 
4PRV_se0_ag3_m_016.7511Yeah, um,7.7309
6 8.4649this other flood,9.3288 
8 10.8246um,11.4258 
10 12.4813let's see.13.0493 
11PRV_int_0113.3002Okay.13.7404
12PRV_se0_ag3_m_0115.9773Here we go.16.5406
14 17.0187I think-17.3974 
16 17.6530I don't know if this was for the, uh, flood or not.19.6681 
18 21.0232Serving us- Yeah this might been it.22.4381 
20 45.8590But they had a- they had a news article on- on that, um-49.0919 
21PRV_int_0149.6173Okay.49.9865
23 51.1794Yeah I saw some pictures of you with the kids there.53.8849 
24PRV_se0_ag3_m_0154.7417Uh-huh.55.3144
25PRV_int_0156.8244You said you- now you had a or- you have an or- uh- you have t- some t-shirts made? You [have a uh-]60.8411
26PRV_se0_ag3_m_0160.3630[Yeah here it] is. Yeah.61.5132
27PRV_int_0161.7073Okay.62.0244
28PRV_se0_ag3_m_0161.9392Serving up flood relief from a golden platter.64.0767
29 64.5785And this was back in, um,66.3819
31 66.8269what's the date on this thing?68.0907 
32PRV_int_0170.5027Looks like-70.9571
33PRV_se0_ag3_m_0170.9714Yeah this said it's in Princeville two thousand national telethon.74.3889
35 75.6649In, uh,76.2613 
37 76.6400I think that we raised over78.0222 
39 78.8695one point five million dollars.80.5384 
40PRV_int_0180.5620Wow.80.8555
41PRV_se0_ag3_m_0181.7265Yep.82.0152
42PRV_int_0182.2329Now what was that like? What exactly did the- the fundraiser85.1298
44 85.3381consist of?85.8919 
45PRV_se0_ag3_m_0186.2043Uh, it-86.6966
47 86.9096it consisted of, um,88.5075 
49 91.4138of going out and doing a telethon with, um,94.1619 
51 94.4459/RD-NAME-5/'s company uh, NBC,96.9878 
53 97.9297which is located in Atlanta, Georgia.99.8779 
54PRV_int_01100.3607Okay.100.6211
55PRV_se0_ag3_m_01100.8246And, uh, Evander Holyfield is one of the board members as well as uh, Marlon Jackson.105.9726
56PRV_int_01106.0341Oh okay.106.5974
57PRV_se0_ag3_m_01106.6258So, um, mayor, uh,108.0979
59 108.5665/RD-NAME-4/,109.8871 
61 110.4646she would, um,111.5419 
63 112.3039she's- she- she would go down too113.9322 
65 114.4056with some of her board members.115.6552 
66PRV_int_01115.8303Mkay.116.2043
67PRV_se0_ag3_m_01116.5877And, um,117.5000
69 119.4968so we'd,119.8328 
71 120.0553you know, do a telethon, and I think it w- Cox- Cox carried it.123.5750 
72PRV_int_01123.8353Okay.124.2471
73PRV_se0_ag3_m_01124.3655And, uh,125.1228
75 125.9180think it was seen in126.9594 
77 127.4375several128.1333 
79 129.1253several s- several countries.130.6589 
80PRV_int_01130.9619Okay.131.3074
81PRV_se0_ag3_m_01131.4116Yeah.131.7098
83 132.2636[Yeah.]132.5381 
84PRV_int_01132.3156[And they-] So, it was just a- a one day like telethon and they135.5040
85 136.2519[have people] call in and donate?137.6766
86PRV_se0_ag3_m_01136.2613[Mm-hm.]136.6921
87 137.8328Right, and- and Lowe's would give the biggest donation.140.9758
88PRV_int_01141.1158Okay.141.4425
89PRV_se0_ag3_m_01141.5987I think they would do a million dollars in supplies.144.0174
91 144.7464Uh, they help people here build, you know, rebuild back.147.4283 
92PRV_int_01147.5513Yeah, I noticed.148.5879
93PRV_se0_ag3_m_01148.9429[Yeah.]149.2885
94PRV_int_01149.0234[You've got] the uh, new park?150.4103
95 150.7180Right? Lowe's donated that?152.5688
96PRV_se0_ag3_m_01152.8906[Yeah.]153.2740
97PRV_int_01153.0780[That-]153.3241
98PRV_se0_ag3_m_01153.4614Mm-hm.153.8117
99PRV_int_01153.7785Okay.154.1856
100PRV_se0_ag3_m_01154.6400<clears throat>155.1938
101PRV_int_01155.5157And so who- so they had- so you performed for the telethon?158.5532
102PRV_se0_ag3_m_01158.5593Mm-hm. Yeah I- I would go down and, um,160.9145
104 161.6672do one of our songs, w- two songs as a matter of fact,164.5640 
106 165.0922Only You, which was the greatest song that we would ever do.167.9985 
107PRV_int_01168.0364Mm-hm.168.5097
108PRV_se0_ag3_m_01168.5429And then, uh,169.4469
110 170.4599trying to appeal to the, uh, people173.0092 
112 173.4258that uh, the essence of it was for really the children176.3904 
113PRV_int_01176.5309Mm-hm.176.8102
114PRV_se0_ag3_m_01176.7676to rebuild, restore.178.1651
115PRV_int_01178.3749Mm-hm.178.7773
116PRV_se0_ag3_m_01178.8719And so we would do, uh, an original song180.9499
118 181.5605titled Do It For The Kids,182.7628 
119PRV_int_01182.9853Okay.183.3119
120PRV_se0_ag3_m_01183.3099that was recorded and produced in Prince Studio in Minneapolis, [Minnesota. Yeah.]187.2245
121PRV_int_01186.1642[Oh okay. Okay.]187.2103
122PRV_se0_ag3_m_01187.5511Yeah.187.7593
123PRV_int_01189.0326So that-189.5000
125 189.7028that sounds like quite an experience,191.4589 
127 191.8470uh,192.2210 
129 192.8174bringing all those people together.194.1096 
130PRV_se0_ag3_m_01194.4220Yeah,194.6824
132 194.8338it was.195.3592 
134 195.7501Yep.196.0673 
136 196.7252T- and- and to, uh, meet Evander Holyfield and- and- and to use some of his kids from his, uh,201.2436 
137PRV_int_01201.4898Uh-huh.201.7549
138PRV_se0_ag3_m_01201.9300youth club that- that was a- was a thrill in itself.204.4130
139PRV_int_01204.3582Okay.204.7890
140PRV_se0_ag3_m_01204.7843Yeah.205.0683
141PRV_int_01205.3381What's he like?205.9960
142PRV_se0_ag3_m_01206.9380Well he- he wasn't doing that much talking.208.6809
143PRV_int_01208.7110Okay. [<laugh>]209.4873
144PRV_se0_ag3_m_01209.1702[Yeah.]209.5015
145 209.8139I don't- I don't think he's a talkative person.211.6647
146PRV_int_01212.0197/?/212.2848
147PRV_se0_ag3_m_01212.4410And Marlon didn't do that much either.214.5690
148PRV_int_01215.1181Okay.215.4968
149PRV_se0_ag3_m_01215.4542But, uh,216.0174
150 217.2197Mr. Gary, you know, was very, um,219.3430
152 220.1288verbal and221.2364 
154 221.8139supportive in- in the effort of raising funds for the area.225.3250 
155PRV_int_01225.3951[Uh-huh.]225.8353
156PRV_se0_ag3_m_01225.5324[Yeah.]225.8306
157PRV_int_01226.1856Okay.226.5455
158PRV_se0_ag3_m_01227.0329Yep.227.6435
159PRV_int_01227.7902So how-228.3914
161 228.8079now you said you moved230.1570 
163 230.3747back230.7324 
165 230.9596to Princeville.231.7596 
167 232.0483When did you m- move back to Princeville?233.8092 
168PRV_se0_ag3_m_01233.9370Well I would come back here, um,235.5085
170 236.7155in the year two thousand237.9726 
172 238.5406right after the flood.239.4163 
173PRV_int_01239.4305Okay.239.7933
174PRV_se0_ag3_m_01239.8612Yeah because240.4434
176 240.8884this house,241.6079 
178 242.5640the old house that was once here,244.1761 
180 244.8435was totally underwater.246.4434 
181PRV_int_01246.5381Mm-hm.246.9026
182PRV_se0_ag3_m_01246.8789Uh, it didn't leave the-248.1664
183 248.4694the foundation,249.2504
185 249.9016but uh,250.5122 
187 250.9382it was just-251.6766 
189 252.2588it was a mess, [you know?]253.6363 
190PRV_int_01253.1582[Mm.]253.5795
191 254.2942[So the] flood is actually what255.7785
192PRV_se0_ag3_m_01254.3463[Yeah.]254.7723
193PRV_int_01256.9429you257.1891
195 257.4258kind of257.7192 
197 257.9985made you-258.4766 
199 258.6612pushed you-259.2434 
200PRV_se0_ag3_m_01259.5037Back in this direction, yeah.260.7466
201PRV_int_01260.7892Really?261.1395
202PRV_se0_ag3_m_01261.2957Yeah I was living in, uh, Milwaukee,263.1181
203PRV_int_01263.4163Mm-hm.263.7713
204PRV_se0_ag3_m_01263.8281and, um, doing very well265.8635
206 266.2185uh, with my-267.1084 
208 268.2282my semi retirement in in- in the industry.270.5192 
209PRV_int_01270.6044Okay.271.0446
210PRV_se0_ag3_m_01271.2292And, um,272.1096
212 272.8508my two brother- not my- not two brothers- my- my brothers, uh,275.9938 
214 276.9026their wives and their families, you know, they weren't interested in280.3181 
216 280.7157relocating, coming back.282.2257 
217PRV_int_01282.1594Mm-hm.282.5002
218PRV_se0_ag3_m_01282.7559And I recalled daddy284.2043
220 284.3794saying,285.0354 
222 285.2484you know, hold on to it.286.3513 
223PRV_int_01286.6779Mm-hm.287.0376
224PRV_se0_ag3_m_01287.3784Hold on to it.288.0742
226 288.4434You know, because this was-289.4422 
228 289.9534this where it all began.290.9474 
230 291.9679And [um-]292.8009 
231PRV_int_01292.2741[So he- this] was your father?293.7997
232PRV_se0_ag3_m_01294.1847[/?/]294.3538
233PRV_int_01294.1926[Saying] hold on to it?295.3996
234PRV_se0_ag3_m_01295.4091Yeah hold on to the land, [yeah.]296.7344
235PRV_int_01296.4978[Oh] to the land.297.3782
236PRV_se0_ag3_m_01297.3809Yeah, to the house. I mean just hold on to the-298.9477
238 299.3311to the little seed.300.2020 
240 300.9736And so uh, I said, well,302.2185 
242 303.7738I guess it's gonna fall on me, so.305.4968 
243PRV_int_01306.1973When did he tell you that?307.2387
244PRV_se0_ag3_m_01307.5463Oh he's always-308.4978
245PRV_int_01308.9596Yeah.309.2673
246PRV_se0_ag3_m_01309.6886Yeah he's always instilled that in us, you know,311.6198
248 312.4813that, um,313.2387 
250 313.9534never let it go.314.6824 
251PRV_int_01315.5277Yep.315.8401
252PRV_se0_ag3_m_01316.8199Now I know we- we're talking now, but did you wanna start319.7925
254 320.3747chronologically321.2788 
255PRV_int_01321.4519[We can.]322.0909
256PRV_se0_ag3_m_01321.6223[back to] nineteen [forty or how you-] [however you wanna do it.]324.4671
257PRV_int_01322.4554[You- you can]323.4400
259 323.6151[go with any-]324.4482 
260 324.5618whatever order it-325.3665
262 325.6505it comes up in.326.7108 
263PRV_se0_ag3_m_01326.8792Well [you-]327.3146
264PRV_int_01327.0827[Although] I've- seems like we were kind of going in that direction329.4400
265PRV_se0_ag3_m_01329.6340[Uh-huh.]330.0695
266PRV_int_01329.8092[just in] terms of330.5618
267PRV_se0_ag3_m_01330.7606[But-]330.9547
268PRV_int_01330.7701[the house] here and331.7925
269 332.5593uh,332.9644
271 333.2010the land333.8543 
273 334.2282that sounds like it's been in your family335.8991 
274PRV_se0_ag3_m_01336.1121Mm-hm.336.5713
275PRV_int_01336.6186for a long time.337.4611
276PRV_se0_ag3_m_01337.5369Yeah- long time. [<laugh>]339.0752
277PRV_int_01338.5972[<laugh>]338.7818
278 339.6129Now s-340.0720
280 340.6069how far back do- does this piece of land go in your family?344.0481 
281PRV_se0_ag3_m_01344.0481Uh, it- this land goes f- as far back to the river.346.8905
282PRV_int_01347.4352Okay.347.7713
283PRV_se0_ag3_m_01347.8470Mm-hm.348.2020
284PRV_int_01348.4198Okay.348.7417
285PRV_se0_ag3_m_01348.8221Which is over- I would say it's over three, four hundred feet352.2992
287 352.6779deep.353.1702 
288PRV_int_01353.5157[Okay.]353.9278
289PRV_se0_ag3_m_01353.5441[But it- we-] we can only utilize, um,355.7688
290 356.4816um, r-357.1726
292 357.3714right now358.1288 
294 358.3181two hundred feet359.0802 
296 359.4352that's360.0127 
298 360.2920I call360.8458 
300 361.2292landscapable, you know,362.6303 
301PRV_int_01362.5972Mm-hm.362.8906
302PRV_se0_ag3_m_01363.3052salvageable364.0294
303PRV_int_01364.2850Mm-hm.364.5311
304PRV_se0_ag3_m_01364.4459because you got a-365.4116
305 365.7382a natural spring that I used to play back there as a child368.4788
306PRV_int_01368.7656Okay.369.0354
307PRV_se0_ag3_m_01369.2957that is still running370.3702
308PRV_int_01370.5548Okay.370.9287
309PRV_se0_ag3_m_01371.0187and so it's infested with, um,373.1535
311 374.4457with the crawlers375.3734 
313 375.8874and, uh-376.5737 
315 377.1512But I eventually hope to, um-379.3428 
317 379.8871this fall380.4876 
319 381.1537I got me a new Poulan382.3465 
321 383.5488uh, chainsaw.384.7038 
322PRV_int_01384.8742Okay.385.3381
323PRV_se0_ag3_m_01385.5085I'm gonna go back in there and387.7028
325 388.0957save a few.388.9003 
326PRV_int_01389.2128Uh-huh.389.5299
327PRV_se0_ag3_m_01389.4447Because you know we have, um,390.7795
328 391.6883a dyke /??/-392.5546
330 392.8082a- a lake back there which was the results395.2601 
332 395.9985from digging the dyke.397.3097 
333PRV_int_01397.9581Oh.398.3037
334PRV_se0_ag3_m_01398.9880As a- as a preventative, uh, measures for keeping Princeville from being, you know, flooded.403.4848
335PRV_int_01403.6694Uh-huh.404.0197
336PRV_se0_ag3_m_01404.1996And I think um, local contractor, Mr /RD-NAME-2/,407.3406
338 408.5949/RD-NAME-5/,409.7262 
340 410.5262would dig that411.5939 
342 412.1004and, um,412.9003 
344 413.8328and would help build414.8600 
346 415.5653that-415.8871 
348 416.0954that dyke.416.6824 
349PRV_int_01416.8764Okay.417.2646
350PRV_se0_ag3_m_01417.1916Yeah.417.4377
351PRV_int_01418.4554So- so- so they419.7760
353 420.1168made the river a little bit lower and then made the dyke next to it or?423.4472 
354PRV_se0_ag3_m_01424.2282Well, no, they didn't- they didn't dredge the river,426.6186
356 427.5037they just dug on this side429.3403 
358 429.5182of the land.430.3655 
360 430.9240And they dug a nice beautiful hole s- it's- and they stocked it434.8954 
362 435.5419with fish.436.1193 
363PRV_int_01436.4128Oh really?436.8388
364PRV_se0_ag3_m_01436.8199And so it could be- if it was developed438.6991
365 439.7262uh, right, it could be a very attractive um,442.4270
367 443.2554r- r-443.6151 
369 443.7997resort area for fishing and a- uh- recreation.447.3403 
370PRV_int_01447.6413Okay.448.0057
371PRV_se0_ag3_m_01448.3039Yep.448.6921
372PRV_int_01449.2885Think maybe we could get- go out there at some point? [/I know it's not-/]452.2516
373PRV_se0_ag3_m_01451.7925[I] doubt it.452.7581
374 452.9880Uh-453.2105
375PRV_int_01453.3194[/inaudible/]454.6684
376PRV_se0_ag3_m_01453.3430<laugh> at this time of year-454.6211
377 454.8435[No- uh-]455.1702
378PRV_int_01454.8719[Yeah.]455.1181
379PRV_se0_ag3_m_01455.3952But no, you can go down here uh,457.4212
381 457.7714two doors down, Mr. /RD-NAME-2/.459.4971 
382PRV_int_01459.5681Uh-huh.459.9042
383PRV_se0_ag3_m_01460.1456Uh, he- people using his462.3467
385 463.3549/unintelligible/ to get back the fish.464.9291 
386PRV_int_01465.0569Oh [okay.]465.7622
387PRV_se0_ag3_m_01465.4403[Yeah.]465.7527
388PRV_int_01466.0651Okay.466.4770
389PRV_se0_ag3_m_01466.9030But they- but those guys are crawling out there now, if you know what I'm talking about.470.0034
390PRV_int_01470.1576No, what's- what-471.1232
391PRV_se0_ag3_m_01471.1185Snakes.471.7480
392PRV_int_01471.9657Really?472.3539
393PRV_se0_ag3_m_01472.5953Yeah.472.8888
394PRV_int_01472.8083Oh okay.473.8591
395PRV_se0_ag3_m_01473.8544Yeah, there's- that- that has been475.5490
396 475.7241since I was a kid476.8392
398 477.6013um,478.1929 
400 478.5953/have/ always been uh, snake /bed/.480.5786 
401PRV_int_01481.2413[/?/]481.5632
402PRV_se0_ag3_m_01481.2555[And] uh, we used to run 'em, man, r-483.2273
403 483.5303cra- you know, young days, [we was] crazier.485.2816
404PRV_int_01484.5574[Yeah.]484.8556
405 485.3337[<laugh>]486.0295
406PRV_se0_ag3_m_01485.6840[Used to] run 'em (laughing).486.5833
407 487.8330Catch 'em, and and uh, n-489.0901
409 489.5397kill 'em or whatever, just490.8414 
411 491.1065call ourselves r-492.0106 
413 492.2425you know, getting rid of 'em.493.1892 
414PRV_int_01493.4543Uh-huh.493.8803
415PRV_se0_ag3_m_01494.1359Yep.494.4767
416PRV_int_01495.3835So you go back there, venture into the snakes?497.7502
417PRV_se0_ag3_m_01498.4461Yeah as a kid. Now- don't do it now.500.0773
418PRV_int_01500.1406[<laugh>]501.3930
419PRV_se0_ag3_m_01500.6593[<laugh>]501.5019
420PRV_int_01502.0131So you gonna go back there with your chainsaw. <laugh>504.3325
421PRV_se0_ag3_m_01504.7963Yep.505.3075
423 505.8898Here come the wintertime, I'll uh, put on my- my gum boots and uh, get me some help.510.3135 
424PRV_int_01510.6543Okay.510.9999
425PRV_se0_ag3_m_01511.0709And uh,511.6152
427 512.3469just go back there and cut down maybe half a dozen or more515.3290 
428PRV_int_01515.6035Okay.515.9727
429PRV_se0_ag3_m_01516.8673of the trees and just518.1548
431 519.4261let 'em lay and let520.3302 
433 520.6426Mother Nature take care of 'em.521.9301 
434PRV_int_01522.0863[Mm-hm.]522.4461
435PRV_se0_ag3_m_01522.2047[Yeah.]522.4792
436PRV_int_01522.8295Mm-hm.523.1797
437PRV_se0_ag3_m_01523.9844Yep.524.1548
438PRV_int_01524.8250So525.2652
440 525.7906now you-526.1456 
442 526.3586so you- this goes all the way back to the river.528.4508 
443PRV_se0_ag3_m_01528.6117Mm-hm.529.0709
444PRV_int_01528.9999And the-529.3738
445 529.7288it's this530.1217
447 530.2854lot here.530.8487 
449 531.5303Is this the land that your532.8367 
451 533.3905father- grandfather- who-534.9578 
452PRV_se0_ag3_m_01534.9383Mm-mm. Mm, no. Mom and Daddy bought this lot.537.1090
453PRV_int_01537.2794[Okay.]537.7196
454PRV_se0_ag3_m_01537.5445[But] the original property, um,539.5467
455 540.0295would be over there in Princeville,541.8377
457 542.9386right across from, um, the town hall545.4142 
459 546.1384now.546.5597 
460PRV_int_01546.7490Okay.547.1040
461PRV_se0_ag3_m_01547.3928But before the replaced the town hall, long long time ago as a child, um, Mr. /RD-NAME-3/,552.3751
463 553.2886who Princeville was named after, his house was right across the street from my grandmom's.557.0015 
464PRV_int_01556.8793Oh really?557.3574
465PRV_se0_ag3_m_01557.4804Yeah, [and uh,]558.3656
466PRV_int_01557.7644[Okay.]558.2804
467PRV_se0_ag3_m_01558.7443uh, we used to go over there and560.1028
469 560.2286play on that porch and under the house.562.3634 
470PRV_int_01562.6852Mm-hm.563.0024
471PRV_se0_ag3_m_01563.1254And y- you know,564.1952
473 564.4035got some very v- vivid565.8046 
475 566.0602and fond memories as a child567.8095 
477 568.2971on Main Street.569.0071 
478PRV_int_01569.3763Kay.569.5893
479PRV_se0_ag3_m_01569.7408Yeah,569.9822
481 570.1005it was a- it was a wonderful place571.6484 
482PRV_int_01571.9182Really?572.2495
483PRV_se0_ag3_m_01572.3063just to- to stay and to live- to- to be raised up, yeah.575.2248
485 576.3041The neighborhood, um,577.7052 
487 579.0901I had all my cronies and by buddies, you know, it was like,581.8449 
489 582.5029my best- one of my best buddies stayed right next door.584.9386 
490PRV_int_01585.3220Okay.585.5634
491PRV_se0_ag3_m_01586.0178Uh, /RD-NAME-6/.587.4473
493 588.1526And, um-589.1229 
494PRV_int_01589.2555Next to your grandma.590.0464
495PRV_se0_ag3_m_01590.2664Mm-hm.590.6877
496PRV_int_01590.7351Okay.591.1008
497PRV_se0_ag3_m_01591.6723And592.2971
499 593.5893his mom and dad was raised with my mom and dad.595.9230 
500PRV_int_01596.0886Really?596.3489
501PRV_se0_ag3_m_01596.4652And also Mr. /RD-NAME-2/- you've- you spoke with Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ yet?598.9503
503 599.4804Well Mr. /RD-NAME-2/ and my daddy was raised up. And I was raised up with his children, /RD-NAME-2/ and /RD-NAME-2/.604.5716 
504PRV_int_01604.7468Okay.605.1964
505PRV_se0_ag3_m_01605.1917/RD-NAME-7/.606.3751
506PRV_int_01606.5360Mm-hm.606.9194
507PRV_se0_ag3_m_01606.9194As a matter fact, uh,608.2874
508 608.7303/RD-NAME-2/ would be610.7326
510 610.9598the one611.5988 
512 611.7786I give her this credit.612.8389 
514 613.3644And I appreciate it.614.1880 
515PRV_int_01614.4132Yeah.614.6593
516PRV_se0_ag3_m_01614.8061But she would615.3835
518 615.7433sound the alarm that I was on Johnny Carson show.618.3751 
519PRV_int_01618.5313Okay.618.9005
520PRV_se0_ag3_m_01619.1324Yeah.619.4259
522 619.8140She was in Washington DC and she happened to see it622.4628 
524 622.9882and so she got on the phone and call her mom and call up everybody, say626.3016 
526 626.7209/RD-NAME-4/ is on the Johnny Carson [show with the] [Platters! <laugh>]630.0627 
527PRV_int_01628.8367[Yeah!]629.1690
529 629.6603[<laugh>]630.7253 
530PRV_se0_ag3_m_01631.0993And they would tell me that later on. I said, well, /RD-NAME-1/, if you hadn't told 'em, I said, you know how remote635.1728
532 635.4994the area [is. I said], they would have never- and I say,637.7004 
533PRV_int_01636.0579[Yeah.]636.4177
534PRV_se0_ag3_m_01637.9986a lot of 'em don't even know it today.639.4829
536 639.6675[You know?]640.0509 
537PRV_int_01639.6675[Uh-huh.]640.0462
538 640.3918[Yeah.]640.7988
539PRV_se0_ag3_m_01640.4296[/Uh/]640.7657
540 641.6461but uh.642.2567
541PRV_int_01642.5691So you're pretty close with, uh,643.7762
543 644.0345both families?644.7819 
544PRV_se0_ag3_m_01644.9197Mm-hm.645.3693
545PRV_int_01645.4735Okay.645.9184
546PRV_se0_ag3_m_01646.2450Yep.646.7704
547PRV_int_01647.0024So you- what- what was your grandmother- your grandparent's names?649.5348
548PRV_se0_ag3_m_01649.7809Um,650.3442
550 650.7919/RD-NAME-1/651.4640 
552 651.6770/RD-NAME-2/652.4060 
554 652.5196and my granddaddy was name /RD-NAME-1/.653.9443 
555PRV_int_01653.9917Okay.654.5455
556PRV_se0_ag3_m_01654.9336And uh, his daddy was name /RD-NAME-2/.656.6356
557PRV_int_01657.1753/Really/ that'd be your great grandfather.658.5480
558PRV_se0_ag3_m_01658.9456Yeah, it was great [granddad yeah.]660.0201
559PRV_int_01659.5893[Oh it was /RD-NAME-2/, [okay.]660.7590
560PRV_se0_ag3_m_01660.6117[Uh-huh.]660.9762
561 661.3549Yep.661.6484
562PRV_int_01661.7336Do you- did- did- did-663.1563
564 663.8569do you uh, remember or were you told much about666.1678 
566 666.6212/RD-NAME-2/?667.1513 
568 667.7430Know what he did or?668.9291 
569PRV_se0_ag3_m_01668.9291Uh,669.8616
570 670.8083/RD-NAME-2/671.6414
572 672.9147and- and uh, Uncle /RD-NAME-1/, which was my great, great, great uncle,676.4296 
573PRV_int_01676.4912Okay.676.9172
574PRV_se0_ag3_m_01677.3526they would, um,678.6875
576 679.2413have this property680.3442 
578 680.7114adjacent681.4403 
580 682.4154to682.9124 
582 684.0106Princeville old school.685.2744 
583PRV_int_01685.5490Okay.685.9229
584PRV_se0_ag3_m_01686.0838Him and uh,687.2510
586 688.5527I think it was Miss /RD-NAME-4/,690.2709 
587PRV_int_01690.6449[Mm-hm.]690.9289
588PRV_se0_ag3_m_01690.7585[which was] um, my great uncle's692.7500
589 693.3457uh, wife of course.694.5858
590PRV_int_01694.6284Mm-hm.694.9929
591PRV_se0_ag3_m_01695.3006Uh, I used to go over there and eat696.6401
593 697.1419uh, during lunch time.698.4010 
594PRV_int_01698.4984[Okay.]699.0759
595PRV_se0_ag3_m_01698.7587[Yeah.]699.0617
596 699.4924So and700.2261
598 700.5527the story that I used to hear about702.1005 
600 702.4319that- that,703.1608 
602 704.5741great granddaddy705.6060 
604 706.2829um,706.9598 
606 707.6130was one of the few that got the forty acres709.9892 
607PRV_int_01710.2448Oh really?710.7500
608PRV_se0_ag3_m_01710.7824and the mule.711.4261
609PRV_int_01711.5019Really?711.7859
610PRV_se0_ag3_m_01711.9326Yeah.712.3208
611PRV_int_01712.4107Okay.712.8272
612PRV_se0_ag3_m_01712.8793Yep.713.1112
613PRV_int_01713.9213He got reparations715.1561
615 715.4117after slavery.716.2684 
616PRV_se0_ag3_m_01716.9339It- Well, so it- what- what they were called reparations.719.7502
617PRV_int_01719.7644Right.720.0437
618PRV_se0_ag3_m_01720.1195Yeah.720.4082
620 721.0425As a- as appreciation of-722.7161 
622 723.2131of the abuse or the- the f- the free slave labor.725.9775 
623PRV_int_01726.1005Mm.726.2946
624PRV_se0_ag3_m_01726.2662So you familiar with reparation?727.6389
625PRV_int_01727.9892Yes.728.5382
627 729.8379Little bit.730.3397 
628PRV_se0_ag3_m_01730.3681NCOBRA?731.0308
629PRV_int_01731.8355Uh,732.1905
631 732.3893s-732.5833 
632PRV_se0_ag3_m_01732.6070N'-732.7585
634 732.9951You familiar with NCOBRA?734.0866 
635PRV_int_01734.0629No.734.3848
636PRV_se0_ag3_m_01734.8487Okay.735.1549
638 735.4167That's the acronym [for] the National Coalition737.9443 
639PRV_int_01736.5006[O-]736.6805
640PRV_se0_ag3_m_01738.5928of Reparation.739.5537
641PRV_int_01739.5395Oh really?739.9513
642PRV_se0_ag3_m_01739.9324Yeah.740.2328
643PRV_int_01740.1690Okay.740.4057
644 741.9468[And then what-] tell me about that. What is-743.7360
645PRV_se0_ag3_m_01742.0462[Yeah.]742.5338
646PRV_int_01743.9491was- was-744.5881
648 745.0993that started right after slavery or?747.2226 
649PRV_se0_ag3_m_01748.0083NCOBRA?748.5338
650PRV_int_01748.6237Mm-hm.749.0592
651PRV_se0_ag3_m_01749.2722[No, it- it-]750.2378
652PRV_int_01749.5325[That's the current] organization?750.9904
653PRV_se0_ag3_m_01750.6685That's the current [organization that's] pushing uh, the uh, HR bill754.7562
654PRV_int_01751.8452[Okay.]752.1718
655PRV_se0_ag3_m_01755.3148forty.755.8430
656PRV_int_01756.0059Okay.756.4319
657PRV_se0_ag3_m_01756.4981Yeah.756.7632
659 757.3786And, um,758.2779 
661 758.9907they're trying to get um, Congress to um-761.5609 
663 762.7348to do a study763.5417 
664PRV_int_01763.6720Mm-hm.764.0649
665PRV_se0_ag3_m_01764.4747on uh- on slavery.765.8805
666PRV_int_01766.0841Okay.766.4391
667PRV_se0_ag3_m_01766.4580And uh, the post trauma768.0437
669 768.9762and how it um-770.1832 
671 771.7007how it would effect-772.7799 
673 774.4650the people775.0141 
675 775.3123as a whole.775.9797 
676PRV_int_01776.3469Uh-huh.776.7067
677PRV_se0_ag3_m_01777.0333And um,777.8853
679 779.1728and we- you- and you'd be surprised how many, um,781.6768 
681 782.9433Caucasian supporters- I call 'em my Caucasian [brothers-]785.8544 
682PRV_int_01785.5846[<laugh>] Right?786.2236
683PRV_se0_ag3_m_01786.5881uh, are sympathetic787.8330
684PRV_int_01788.0629Sure.788.3658
685PRV_se0_ag3_m_01788.7635and can see790.0415
686PRV_int_01790.3160Mm-hm.790.6142
687PRV_se0_ag3_m_01791.0213that, um,792.0911
689 793.2223that's part of the healing process.794.7500 
690PRV_int_01794.8155Okay.795.1232
691PRV_se0_ag3_m_01795.2557Not necessarily to796.4959
693 796.9976give us797.8970 
695 798.4129trillions of dollars799.6058 
697 799.9513but to acknowledge that a great wrong has been done,802.7089 
698PRV_int_01802.7610Mm-hm.803.1254
699PRV_se0_ag3_m_01803.0876and something needs to be done to correct that because806.1738
700 806.7635as long as you keep ignoring, um,809.1018
702 810.2709the situation,811.1371 
704 811.8566and it continues to, um,813.8237 
706 814.4344fester,815.0734 
707PRV_int_01815.2580Mm-hm.815.6603
708PRV_se0_ag3_m_01816.5313and um, it- it- it doesn't do the two818.9386
710 819.4829injured parties-820.4060 
712 820.8935the oppressed is just as much, uh, injured as823.9655 
714 824.4747the suppressor.825.2273 
715PRV_int_01825.3551Yeah.825.5823
716PRV_se0_ag3_m_01825.8521Yep.826.1219
717PRV_int_01826.1030Mm-hm.826.4486
718PRV_se0_ag3_m_01826.7326And uh,827.5846
720 827.9159so that's what we're trying to do. I'm a member of NCOBRA.830.0223 
721PRV_int_01830.2448Okay.830.5240
722PRV_se0_ag3_m_01830.7919And uh, been supportive.832.0983
724 832.4249As a matter of fact, I would bring the, um-834.6259 
726 836.0223the national board here837.2605 
728 838.2782and uh,839.1349 
730 839.3905a retreat.840.2094 
732 840.7963And we would go on the- on the842.2400 
734 842.5173banks of Tar River,843.7338 
735PRV_int_01843.8758Mkay.844.2734
736PRV_se0_ag3_m_01844.3586and I would show them, uh-845.4899
738 845.6414talk, you know, a little bit of the history about847.1135 
740 847.7620the area and848.9765 
742 849.3362how- where I was baptized.850.7042 
743PRV_int_01850.9219Mm-hm.851.2580
744PRV_se0_ag3_m_01851.5183But they would come down and um,853.2555
746 854.3327spend854.9797 
748 855.8143about maybe856.5527 
750 857.7597two or three days here.858.7348 
751PRV_int_01858.9620Really.859.2649
752PRV_se0_ag3_m_01859.4448Yeah.859.7241
753PRV_int_01860.1481When was this?860.7540
754PRV_se0_ag3_m_01861.0096This was um-862.0320
756 862.9172I got that-863.4615 
758 863.7455I got some publications on that somewhere.865.7762 
760 866.7682So it musta been867.5681 
762 868.5243two thousand and869.6272 
764 870.9973t- two.871.5889 
765PRV_int_01871.8303Okay.872.1712
766PRV_se0_ag3_m_01872.2611Yeah, the summer two thousand and two.873.9631
768 874.5548Yep.874.7915 
769PRV_int_01875.9370And they were interested in the area just as-878.0717
770PRV_se0_ag3_m_01878.9569Well I had invited 'em to come down because of the uh- the historical significance of it being the oldest,884.6871
772 885.1557uh,885.5000 
774 885.9111settlement886.5075 
776 886.7489uh, by African Americans.888.0506 
777PRV_int_01888.1074Mm-hm.888.4387
778PRV_se0_ag3_m_01888.5192And I thought it would be a good place for them to come and-890.6398
780 891.1300and see,891.6555 
782 892.2803um,892.8767 
784 894.0032what-894.2115 
786 894.6044what progress895.5842 
788 896.3605hasn't been made and what progress has been [made.]899.0897 
789PRV_int_01898.8956[Mm-hm.]899.2696
790PRV_se0_ag3_m_01899.6672And uh,900.4908
792 901.4043and- but they came down and kept low /keyed/ and they had their meetings and stuff and-905.3548 
793PRV_int_01905.7666Okay.906.2068
794PRV_se0_ag3_m_01906.3440and would get a new strategies.908.1049
796 908.6208Well we would t- we were having a hard time,910.6400 
797PRV_int_01910.9903Really?911.2601
798PRV_se0_ag3_m_01911.2696um,911.9322
800 912.9073tryna get913.5369 
802 915.1253the Congress, the916.3371 
804 916.5122presidential candidates,917.9559 
806 918.4482and anybody else that919.6363 
808 919.9297wanted to use our votes921.2646 
810 922.0247to um-922.6542 
812 923.5252to recognize924.5002 
814 925.2387uh, what we wanted.926.4410 
815PRV_int_01926.5830Mm-hm.926.8954
816PRV_se0_ag3_m_01927.3430And um,928.0815
818 928.5643Texas-929.2506 
820 929.7476we- we- we've got um,931.1961 
822 931.8729I think it's about932.8176 
824 934.6211maybe ten-935.5252 
826 937.0209ten states that are interested in939.2740 
828 940.9003helping us /ecstablish/ a commission942.8742 
830 943.1203to study943.7593 
832 945.3383the post-945.8495 
834 946.8814/or as it's called/947.5772 
836 947.9890post slavery trauma.949.0446 
837PRV_int_01949.1582Mm-hm.949.6173
838PRV_se0_ag3_m_01950.0670And um,950.8622
840 952.7441you know.953.1039 
842 953.3264So,953.6719 
844 954.3298w- w- we'll get there955.6599 
846 956.4694and this H two- H forty bill is a bill that would be introduced by, uh,960.2494 
848 960.5855Congressman John Conyers,962.1049 
849PRV_int_01962.4200Okay.962.8129
850PRV_se0_ag3_m_01962.8555out of uh, Michigan.963.8827
851PRV_int_01964.1525[Okay.]964.4933
852PRV_se0_ag3_m_01964.3844[Yep.]964.6258
853 965.6956And uh, this week-966.8742
855 967.8540today is the eighteenth?968.9096 
856PRV_int_01969.4756I believe so, yeah.970.2215
857PRV_se0_ag3_m_01970.4885This week they're having a conference, uh, in Washington DC973.6869
859 974.2544for three or four days975.4898 
861 975.9111um,976.5974 
863 978.0269to discuss978.8174 
865 979.5747things and980.3037 
867 982.0436you know /recall/982.9714 
869 983.6151strategies984.3724 
870PRV_int_01984.5192Mm-hm.984.7937
871PRV_se0_ag3_m_01984.7417of the best way to-985.7025
872 986.2280to present it without987.3024
874 988.0247um,988.6353 
876 990.5902l- f- u- looking- looking like a threat.992.7155 
878 992.8670We just want people to993.9963 
880 994.4270acknowledge the wrong and996.0600 
882 996.4766let's see if we can, um,997.9061 
884 998.5593do something correcting it because,1000.3986 
885PRV_int_011000.6589Mm-hm.1000.9808
886PRV_se0_ag3_m_011001.1086uh, I have, um,1002.2920
888 1004.3084talked to kids about it.1005.5750 
890 1006.8435Uh,1007.3690 
892 1007.8849for instance their uh-1009.0257 
894 1010.4741their behavior,1011.4283 
896 1012.1335their psychological inheritance of, uh,1015.3286 
898 1015.7499not being all they can be1017.0326 
899PRV_int_011017.1774Mm-hm.1017.4898
900PRV_se0_ag3_m_011017.7927is um-1018.7347
902 1019.6198is a result of being,1021.2339 
904 1022.2706uh, how do we say, uh,1023.6697 
906 1024.5122uh, descendants of1025.7760 
908 1026.0742Jim Crowism and racism.1027.4990 
909PRV_int_011027.5889Hm.1027.8114
910PRV_se0_ag3_m_011028.2043Yep.1028.4713
912 1028.7155And uh,1029.3715 
914 1029.9158the only way you can1031.2506 
916 1031.4920purge this-1032.5192 
918 1033.6315this, um-1034.6066 
920 1037.0187this1037.3690 
922 1037.6009uh- defect1038.5665 
924 1038.7180is to start with the children,1040.1617 
926 1040.6851and you have to educate1041.7785 
927PRV_int_011042.3229Mm-hm.1042.6116
928PRV_se0_ag3_m_011042.9524that seed1043.6719
930 1045.1298because as quiet as it's being kept,1046.9948 
932 1049.0045if you have that- let's say that old oak tree out there,1052.1002 
933PRV_int_011052.3179Mm-hm.1052.6776
934PRV_se0_ag3_m_011053.4377as old /that it/- as it is-1055.1465
936 1056.6328This is an analogy.1057.6883 
937PRV_int_011057.8729Mm-hm.1058.2800
938PRV_se0_ag3_m_011059.0969If you don't uh, nurture it,1061.3264
940 1062.5476uh,1063.1156 
942 1063.3665take care of it,1064.0007 
944 1064.6303it will still produce1065.9868 
946 1066.6258um,1067.1844 
948 1068.0884a small defected1069.7357 
950 1070.1380/acron/.1070.5924 
951PRV_int_011070.7865Mm-hm.1071.2125
952PRV_se0_ag3_m_011071.6839So what you have to do, you have to take that /acron/1073.3595
954 1074.3630as a seed- seedling1075.8256 
956 1076.2185and nourish that1077.2314 
958 1078.2897and get rid of all the uh- it's called biogenics-1081.5842 
959PRV_int_011081.8824Mm-hm.1082.2280
960PRV_se0_ag3_m_011082.3984uh-1082.8338
962 1083.0590that would effect us and w- and human beings are the same way.1085.8186 
963PRV_int_011085.9370Mm.1086.2257
964PRV_se0_ag3_m_011086.4292For instance, um, as great as my little home town is here,1089.7359
966 1090.1477we were still uh, effected1091.8234 
968 1092.0364because1092.4908 
970 1093.8398the healing process has not been taken seriously1096.5075 
971PRV_int_011096.6684Hm.1096.9335
972PRV_se0_ag3_m_011097.2222and so that's we're /asting/1098.5476
974 1098.9073m- mainly, you know,1100.1049 
976 1100.2800through reparation,1101.1368 
978 1101.5040is to um,1102.3513 
980 1103.2317do something for the children1105.0304 
982 1105.3949uh, for the next generation.1106.7060 
984 1107.1537Start some programs,1108.5169 
986 1109.0045uh, set some programs in place,1110.9026 
988 1111.4611where1111.7830 
990 1112.2422all the kids will be-1113.6365 
992 1114.5974It'll be mandatory or guaranteed1116.5144 
994 1117.0257to get an education because if you don't educate that seed, if you don't nurture that seed on the tree,1121.3169 
995PRV_int_011121.3974Mm-hm.1121.8565
996PRV_se0_ag3_m_011121.9133it's gonna produce the same1123.1961
998 1123.7735um,1124.3321 
1000 1124.8149and so this is what you see- I call that apathy.1126.9808 
1001PRV_int_011127.3500Mm-hm.1127.6293
1002PRV_se0_ag3_m_011127.5583Um, here- /???/-1129.1156
1003 1129.3712is one of the chief reasons why Princeville1131.1557
1005 1131.9584can't um,1132.6873 
1007 1133.1228move forward.1133.9370 
1008PRV_int_011133.9796Hm.1134.2541
1009PRV_se0_ag3_m_011134.6517The stagnation is still-1136.0859
1011 1136.7818is still here.1137.4425 
1013 1138.1430And some folks1139.1465 
1015 1139.3264know about it and some folks don't,1140.7606 
1017 1141.6031but um,1142.1286 
1019 1142.2611I have to be1142.9711 
1021 1144.2187sort of1144.7820 
1023 1146.5523precarious about1147.4706 
1025 1147.9865how I say it.1148.9644 
1026PRV_int_011149.3288Mm-hm.1149.6602
1027PRV_se0_ag3_m_011150.0483Because once again, you know,1151.2601
1029 1151.6956I'm an- I'm- I'm aware that I'm of a minority.1154.6492 
1030PRV_int_011154.9265Hm.1155.1726
1031PRV_se0_ag3_m_011155.2578And uh,1155.7738
1033 1156.3465and you just have to be careful how you say what you say.1159.0020 
1035 1159.7262But hoping that you can appeal1161.1273 
1037 1161.8259to the, um,1162.5785 
1039 1162.9240to the goodness-1163.5441 
1041 1163.7334the goodness of man,1164.7843 
1043 1165.1582of those that listen to it and say yes, it is time.1167.6271 
1044PRV_int_011167.8022Mm-hm.1168.1241
1045PRV_se0_ag3_m_011168.2850It's long overdue,1169.1039
1046PRV_int_011169.6766Mm.1169.9086
1047PRV_se0_ag3_m_011169.8470that something should be1170.8979
1048 1171.4327done.1171.8540
1050 1172.0575And once again, not necessarily, um,1173.8543 
1052 1174.6495monetary.1175.3027 
1053PRV_int_011175.4684Mm-hm.1175.7713
1054PRV_se0_ag3_m_011175.8376But programs that could help, um,1177.6599
1056 1178.7486help- help set- set- set things sort of1180.8672 
1058 1181.1796in a- in a balance.1182.4198 
1059PRV_int_011182.5192Mm-hm.1182.9215
1060PRV_se0_ag3_m_011182.8695Yep.1183.1014
1061PRV_int_011183.8209Okay.1184.2232
1063 1185.0354So you see1185.7691 
1065 1186.7299uh,1187.2459 
1067 1187.9985the affects of that1188.9925 
1069 1189.4990kind of1190.0291 
1071 1191.1557lack of healing,1191.9963 
1072PRV_se0_ag3_m_011192.4131[Mm-hm.]1192.7909
1073PRV_int_011192.6353[still-] still kind of1193.6624
1074 1194.0222kind of continuing in the- in the area.1195.9534
1075PRV_se0_ag3_m_011196.1854Mm-hm.1196.5924
1076PRV_int_011196.7277Okay.1197.1064
1077PRV_se0_ag3_m_011197.2247Yeah.1197.5371
1078PRV_int_011197.6602And then, you're saying1198.7205
1080 1199.5441<ts> you're a minority in the sense of1201.2860 
1082 1201.6789your ideas1202.6303 
1084 1202.8149are not1203.4093 
1085PRV_se0_ag3_m_011204.5169[They're-]1204.8719
1086PRV_int_011204.6116[popular] yet [or?]1205.9322
1087PRV_se0_ag3_m_011205.5867[They're not] popular. Even though1206.9831
1088 1207.5747people know,1208.3605
1090 1209.7880um,1210.4128 
1092 1210.6921those that um-1211.7003 
1094 1213.2671how do we say um,1214.6492 
1096 1214.9048that are concerned-1215.8307 
1098 1217.0755they know that there's uh, an existing problem but1219.9345 
1100 1221.7880they-1222.3418 
1102 1222.6021they won't1223.1512 
1104 1223.3216speak up1223.9228 
1106 1224.0979or won't stand up and say anything about it.1226.1996 
1108 1226.6587E- and even though1227.6744 
1110 1227.8921I have some very good white friends too,1230.0648 
1112 1230.5476now1230.9357 
1114 1231.3854they won't say anything about it1233.1415 
1115PRV_int_011233.3052Mm-hm.1233.6697
1116PRV_se0_ag3_m_011233.8164because1234.4128
1118 1235.3595I don't think they really want to revisit1237.1014 
1120 1237.8635the ugly [past.]1238.8386 
1121PRV_int_011238.5952[Mm-hm.]1239.0354
1122PRV_se0_ag3_m_011239.3288But at the same time, they need to be gently1241.7334
1124 1243.0399awakened to say well, the only way1245.2835 
1126 1246.1998we can get past that1247.4684 
1128 1247.7524is to1248.3677 
1130 1249.0304address it1249.5321 
1131PRV_int_011249.7735Mm-hm.1250.0765
1132PRV_se0_ag3_m_011250.2165and go from there.1251.5324
1133PRV_int_011251.6933Mm-hm.1252.0152
1134PRV_se0_ag3_m_011252.3844W-1252.5264
1136 1252.7347w- you know, you know, [so.]1254.0837 
1137PRV_int_011253.7240[Yeah.]1254.0458
1138 1255.7309Now i- uh- you know, we were looking at a book here on Edgecombe County,1259.2128
1139PRV_se0_ag3_m_011259.3500Mm-hm.1259.7098
1140PRV_int_011259.9275what1260.1405
1142 1260.3251can you1260.7511 
1144 1260.8931tell me or do you know about the history of slavery in-1264.0700 
1146 1264.3607in this area?1264.9903 
1147PRV_se0_ag3_m_011266.3346Well,1266.8931
1149 1267.1061this place, from what I've been told, um,1269.8732 
1151 1270.4128f- w- was first called Freedom Hill1272.1594 
1153 1272.9783and um,1273.9534 
1155 1275.0401I can imagine my great great grandparents were part of those um,1279.5037 
1157 1279.7735first freed um,1280.8528 
1159 1281.8495slaves that would settle here.1283.4778 
1160PRV_int_011283.9938Now was that /RD-NAME-2/?1285.0493
1162 1285.2434[Or?]1285.5700 
1163PRV_se0_ag3_m_011285.3097[Yeah] it was /RD-NAME-2/, and it was probably his um-1287.5608
1164 1288.2282his dad,1288.8293
1166 1289.5772or maybe him too.1290.5997 
1168 1291.3996But uh,1291.9439 
1170 1292.9948all around1294.0010 
1172 1294.2803uh, Edgecombe County, Nash County,1296.0932 
1174 1297.1014it was a1297.8256 
1176 1298.4173chief cotton and tobacco,1300.4791 
1178 1301.6435corn and peanuts1302.6044 
1180 1303.1440and uh, that was their crop1304.4173 
1181PRV_int_011304.7750Mm-hm.1305.1158
1182PRV_se0_ag3_m_011305.1206and so they were getting the free slave labor but they uh, were emancipated,1309.5416
1184 1310.2280they needed a place1311.3545 
1186 1312.5311to um,1313.3216 
1188 1313.9701we call herd-1314.7322 
1190 1314.9925to- to put 'em.1315.6694 
1191PRV_int_011316.2658Mm-hm.1316.7108
1192PRV_se0_ag3_m_011316.6378And1317.1679
1193 1317.8874the Union soldiers were camped over here,1320.2304
1194PRV_int_011320.2541Mm-hm.1320.6186
1195PRV_se0_ag3_m_011321.1298uh,1321.6836
1197 1322.1238and so1322.6729 
1199 1323.5845all of a sudden I guess someone1325.7524 
1201 1326.3346assigned, said well,1327.4091 
1203 1328.1428that's a safe haven for them because1330.2093 
1205 1330.4933Jim Crowism was still1332.1405 
1207 1332.3677going on-1333.1345 
1209 1333.4753that the- some of the southerners1334.9569 
1211 1335.1442just was bitter about1336.6495 
1213 1337.1844taking their free-1338.0600 
1215 1338.3346free slave labor away from 'em.1339.8209 
1216PRV_int_011339.8256Mm-hm.1340.2848
1217PRV_se0_ag3_m_011340.6303And uh, but they would come over here and this would become1344.0837
1219 1344.8127um,1345.4327 
1221 1346.6871an important route in the Underground Railroad.1349.0045 
1222PRV_int_011349.0944Hm.1349.3453
1223PRV_se0_ag3_m_011349.5204Freedom Hill.1350.0458
1224PRV_int_011350.3014Really.1350.5699
1225PRV_se0_ag3_m_011350.5381/?/ the- the- the slaves1352.3226
1226 1352.7202uh, running from1353.9158
1228 1354.0957the south1354.8767 
1230 1355.3548as far as uh, Georgia and South Carolina,1358.0244 
1232 1358.8413hoping they would find refuge and safety by going North.1361.9701 
1234 1362.3819Well Freedom Hill was, um-1364.0433 
1236 1364.3747was a spot that they would achieve to come.1366.3323 
1237PRV_int_011366.7157[Hm.]1366.9666
1238PRV_se0_ag3_m_011366.7441[And so] at one time,1367.8186
1239 1368.0032I think they had about fifteen1369.3854
1241 1370.2043hundred to two thousand people here at one time.1372.4365 
1242PRV_int_011372.7347Wow.1372.9901
1243PRV_se0_ag3_m_011373.0566Yeah.1373.3690
1245 1373.5867Of free slaves.1374.5002 
1246PRV_int_011374.9215Okay.1375.3712
1247PRV_se0_ag3_m_011375.4848And um, you had educators,1377.5000
1249 1378.3039uh, that would come in, uh, Doctor /RD-NAME-2/,1381.6268 
1251 1382.2138who was a Jamaican,1383.0705 
1253 1383.9253he would be the first one to set up a1386.1026 
1255 1386.3630school here.1387.1487 
1256PRV_int_011387.5463Mm-hm.1387.9297
1257PRV_se0_ag3_m_011387.9439I think it's was a1388.8433
1259 1389.3998four room1390.1525 
1261 1390.3749school.1390.8814 
1262PRV_int_011391.3406Mm-hm.1391.6861
1263PRV_se0_ag3_m_011392.0080Yep, and1393.0399
1265 1394.3463I- I don't know exactly where that was,1396.5027 
1267 1396.9382but I-1397.2743 
1269 1397.4494it's been told that um,1398.9878 
1271 1400.5782/RD-NAME-2/ or either1401.6223 
1273 1401.8874/RD-NAME-3/ and them,1402.9998 
1275 1403.6151uh, would donate1405.0446 
1277 1405.5369that land1406.4031 
1279 1407.6933where the original school-1408.9808 
1281 1409.5583the school that I went to1410.5381 
1282PRV_int_011410.5760Okay.1410.9263
1283PRV_se0_ag3_m_011410.9405back in nineteen forty six.1412.1333
1284PRV_int_011412.6756[You mean] the old town hall over there?1414.2282
1285PRV_se0_ag3_m_011412.6776[Yeah.]1412.9238
1287 1414.1951Uh-huh.1414.6353 
1288PRV_int_011414.5311Okay.1414.9051
1289PRV_se0_ag3_m_011414.8814Yep.1415.1607
1290 1415.8234Yep.1416.1074
1292 1416.3014And mama- think my mom would go there,1418.4788 
1294 1419.6981my dad would go1420.7441 
1296 1420.9808to that school,1421.7902 
1298 1423.0967and they were born in fifteen and sixteen- nineteen fifteen, nineteen f- nineteen sixteen.1426.8483 
1300 1427.7240And um,1428.5334 
1302 1429.0777so it's been around.1429.9013 
1303PRV_int_011430.0717Yeah.1430.3274
1304PRV_se0_ag3_m_011430.3794Yep.1430.5924
1305PRV_int_011431.5135Now you- you said you thi- you- it-1433.4021
1307 1433.7950it's likely that /RD-NAME-2/ and your Uncle1436.2895 
1309 1436.6587/RD-NAME-1/ were former slaves?1438.6637 
1310PRV_se0_ag3_m_011438.8151Mm-hm.1439.1891
1311PRV_int_011439.5015And then,1439.9654
1312PRV_se0_ag3_m_011440.2352Yeah.1440.4955
1313PRV_int_011440.4387they received1441.3333
1314 1441.8540s- some1442.5782
1316 1442.8054land after that.1443.9631 
1317PRV_se0_ag3_m_011444.0389Right.1444.5311
1318PRV_int_011444.6305And that was the location that1446.2825
1320 1446.5002the old town hall and uh,1448.2516 
1322 1448.5877I guess what used to be /RD-NAME-2/'s store?1450.3371 
1323PRV_se0_ag3_m_011450.4270Right.1450.7063
1324PRV_int_011451.1512That was their- their land at one point.1453.0209
1325PRV_se0_ag3_m_011453.0777Mm-hm.1453.5984
1326PRV_int_011453.5700Okay.1453.9250
1327PRV_se0_ag3_m_011454.0575Yeah.1454.4173
1328PRV_int_011454.6188Now,1455.0090
1330 1455.3762what did they do after slavery when- with that land? You said they had a- a store there? Or what- what were their-1460.7297 
1331PRV_se0_ag3_m_011461.3288Whatchu talk- Which- [What you talking about?]1462.5501
1332PRV_int_011462.0483[You thought you /either/- your great1463.5062
1333 1463.8565uh, /RD-NAME-2/ or /?/?1465.3049
1334PRV_se0_ag3_m_011464.9405[Well g-] granddaddy,1466.1191
1335 1466.2800uh, /RD-NAME-1/1467.2456
1337 1468.0815um,1468.8625 
1339 1469.3216they would come in here from Rocky Mount,1471.2103 
1341 1472.0717the /RD-NAME-2/.1472.7486 
1342PRV_int_011473.3572[Oh.]1473.5703
1343PRV_se0_ag3_m_011473.4851[But] uh he would1474.4885
1344 1474.9051work for the railroad.1476.1594
1345PRV_int_011476.6659Oh.1476.8316
1346PRV_se0_ag3_m_011476.8363I don't know ex- I don't know what great granddaddy- what- what he did for a living,1480.3655
1348 1481.2459whether he was a carpenter or farmer.1483.9108 
1350 1484.2800Coulda been a farmer.1485.1604 
1351PRV_int_011485.3714Okay.1485.7549
1352PRV_se0_ag3_m_011485.8827Yeah but uh,1486.7631
1354 1487.5536granddaddy uh, /RD-NAME-1/, /RD-NAME-1/'s husband,1490.4788 
1355PRV_int_011490.7439Mm-hm.1491.0658
1356PRV_se0_ag3_m_011491.0354which is my granddaddy and grandmama.1492.5785
1357PRV_int_011492.8435Mm-hm.1493.1702
1358PRV_se0_ag3_m_011493.1560Uh, I never did see him, but I saw my ma-1496.0859
1359 1496.8244uh- granddaddy would die /for/ my father would be twelve years old,1500.1216
1360PRV_int_011500.2257Okay.1500.6943
1361PRV_se0_ag3_m_011500.9594but uh,1501.5558
1363 1501.7451I hear daddy talk about it, say that um-1503.7927 
1365 1504.3702that same uh, railroad track that runs1507.2150 
1367 1507.9297east and west1508.8812 
1368PRV_int_011509.0969Mm-hm.1509.3714
1369PRV_se0_ag3_m_011509.7312um,1510.3087
1371 1511.1749used to stop1511.8612 
1373 1512.2730the- uh-1512.6233 
1375 1513.3428and would let him off there1514.8224 
1377 1515.4945coming from the roundhouse in uh- in Rocky Mount.1518.1926 
1378PRV_int_011518.5949Mm-hm.1518.9783
1379PRV_se0_ag3_m_011519.0493And uh, he used to1520.4457
1381 1520.8555go meet him.1521.5576 
1383 1522.7124He could tell when he was coming or you hear the whistle and he would1525.5842 
1385 1525.9960go out there and wait1527.2788 
1387 1527.9111and- and walk and meet him.1529.5914 
1388PRV_int_011529.8470Mm.1530.1736
1389PRV_se0_ag3_m_011530.8742Yeah, I can- I can see him doing that.1533.0516
1390PRV_int_011533.0042Mm.1533.2788
1391PRV_se0_ag3_m_011533.3904Yep.1533.5845
1393 1533.7738As a- as a kid1534.6968 
1395 1534.9998going to meet his dad.1535.9417 
1397 1536.5807And he would walk us along that same track, my dad.1539.0184 
1398PRV_int_011539.0874Really?1539.3714
1399PRV_se0_ag3_m_011539.3904Yeah.1539.6034
1401 1540.3276Yeah my daddy, well he would try to work for railroad but he said that work was just too hard for him,1544.8433 
1403 1545.4803and I think he said he lasted about a week.1547.8518 
1404PRV_int_011548.4008Hm.1548.6233
1405PRV_se0_ag3_m_011548.8837Yeah.1549.3049
1406PRV_int_011549.5842So your great1550.3226
1408 1551.0638grandf- your father's father1552.7773 
1409PRV_se0_ag3_m_011552.9571Mm-hm.1553.4068
1410PRV_int_011553.4731worked for the railroad in Rocky Mount1555.1913
1411PRV_se0_ag3_m_011555.3523Yeah, [the Atlantic] Coast L-1556.5593
1412PRV_int_011555.5179[and-]1555.7783
1413PRV_se0_ag3_m_011556.9285[Atlantic Coast Line.]1557.7643
1414PRV_int_011557.1111[He would] commute1558.0625
1415 1558.8435by the-1559.2412
1417 1559.9275by the rail1560.6375 
1419 1560.9689from Princeville to-1562.1049 
1421 1562.1996[to Rocky-]1562.6303 
1422PRV_se0_ag3_m_011562.2658[To home-]1562.7250
1423 1562.9096Uh-huh, yep.1563.3971
1424PRV_int_011563.5939Wow.1563.9063
1425PRV_se0_ag3_m_011563.9395Yep.1564.1525
1427 1564.6116They would drop- they would drop him off if he didn't drive or1567.2576 
1429 1567.6836he would catch the train on his way to Mildred or going out1571.1702 
1430PRV_int_011571.4116Mm.1571.6293
1431PRV_se0_ag3_m_011571.6340to Bethel or Williamston or whatever.1573.9013
1433 1574.2516And they would uh- would stop1575.6507 
1435 1576.0294in uh,1576.6258 
1437 1576.8104freight- freight train1577.9843 
1439 1578.5476and let him off of.1579.5227 
1441 1580.6871And um-1581.3808 
1442PRV_int_011582.5879And your father would be there1583.7666
1444 1583.9985about how old?1584.7180 
1446 1585.0209Since he was young.1586.0197 
1447PRV_se0_ag3_m_011586.0055Uh- yeah, let me see.1587.2030
1448 1588.8719Daddy was younger than twelve when- when grandpa was doing this.1592.0528
1449PRV_int_011592.1144Okay.1592.5072
1450PRV_se0_ag3_m_011592.5782Yep.1592.8670
1451PRV_int_011593.4709And he would wait for him on the train.1594.7773
1452PRV_se0_ag3_m_011595.0566On the tracks, yeah l- yep.1596.1689
1454 1596.3961Yep.1596.6091 
1456 1597.6694He knew what time to, um, to go wait for him1599.8685 
1458 1601.3311and um,1602.0600 
1460 1604.0481so he looked forward to that.1605.0421 
1462 1606.1714It was exciting. He-1606.8341 
1464 1607.2175I- I'm- I'm still um,1609.1629 
1466 1609.9771amazed1610.7676 
1468 1611.2578of trains too. I would end up working for um,1614.2304 
1470 1614.4434/RD-WORK-3/.1615.2054 
1471PRV_int_011615.3002Okay.1615.7530
1472PRV_se0_ag3_m_011615.9771Yeah.1616.3747
1474 1616.5573Which was uh,1617.4283 
1476 1617.7407Chesapeake and Ohio but now they call it the CSX1620.3772 
1478 1621.1393uh- tr- yep.1621.9297 
1479PRV_int_011623.6933So you've uh, always had or there's some history of working for the- the-1627.8431
1481 1628.1380train system.1628.8528 
1482PRV_se0_ag3_m_011628.8954Mm-hm.1629.2930
1484 1629.7975[/?/]1630.2140 
1485PRV_int_011629.7975[Now that-]1630.2377
1486 1630.3797could-1630.7338
1488 1631.0140so when your1631.8139 
1490 1632.6849father was1633.3002 
1492 1633.8161growing up,1634.2706 
1494 1634.5356you know, waiting for your1635.3308 
1496 1636.0862uh great-1636.6921 
1498 1637.5062for your grandfather come home1638.7464 
1500 1639.2387uh,1639.7073 
1502 1641.3620were- were they all s-1642.3939 
1504 1642.6968still living in that house across from [Turner] Prince's [house?]1645.6599 
1505PRV_se0_ag3_m_011644.5855[M-]1644.8316
1507 1645.2150[Mm-hm.]1645.6694 
1508 1645.9534[Mm-hm.]1646.3652
1509PRV_int_011645.9771[Okay.]1646.3747
1510PRV_se0_ag3_m_011646.7608Yeah.1647.0685
1511PRV_int_011647.2058And now did the- did the Prince family, was that always- were they always in that house or did you just1651.5227
1513 1651.8351d- was there a different family?1653.1253 
1514PRV_se0_ag3_m_011653.5797Uh,1654.1383
1516 1655.0234th- there was a different family.1656.3204 
1517PRV_int_011656.3724Okay.1656.7180
1518PRV_se0_ag3_m_011656.7464Um, <ts>1657.7357
1520 1658.6350/RD-NAME-5/ I think1660.8861 
1521PRV_int_011661.3453[Okay.]1661.6009
1522PRV_se0_ag3_m_011661.5157[was] his name.1662.3346
1523 1663.0399They would stay there when I was a kid, but I- but I knew that there- that was the history of the man that had founded [Princeville.]1668.9215
1524PRV_int_011668.5476[Okay.]1668.9405
1525PRV_se0_ag3_m_011669.0730[That was-]1669.5132
1526PRV_int_011669.0730[You knew that?]1669.5842
1527PRV_se0_ag3_m_011669.6978The legacy was-1670.4173
1529 1670.5214t- it was attached to [that, yeah.]1671.8969 
1530PRV_int_011671.4661[Alright.]1671.8117
1531 1672.3655Th- that's the other thing talking to different people. How- how aware were you at that1676.2942
1533 1676.5451point /?/1677.1415 
1535 1677.3525back in those times and when you were real young,1679.5015 
1537 1680.6943how aware were people of the history [/around/?]1683.2045 
1538PRV_se0_ag3_m_011682.5214[Of the history?]1683.1084
1539 1683.6839Well in our house, he had uh,1685.8470
1541 1686.9026couple of matriarchs there.1688.3037 
1543 1688.9644Aunt /RD-NAME-2/,1689.7596 
1544PRV_int_011689.8448Uh-huh.1690.2140
1545PRV_se0_ag3_m_011690.5879who was the oldest1691.5204
1547 1692.0695of 'em-1692.7748 
1549 1693.2197of my aunts,1694.1191 
1550PRV_int_011694.2374Mm-hm.1694.5404
1551PRV_se0_ag3_m_011694.7486and she um-1696.2093
1553 1697.1465she loved to sit around. She and- and my /RD-NAME-1/, her mother,1700.2706 
1554PRV_int_011700.3321Mm-hm.1700.7013
1555PRV_se0_ag3_m_011700.7561and we'd sit on the porch and just listen1703.3974
1557 1704.2399to the story.1704.8411 
1559 1705.1061I got some pictures, me and uh-1706.8622 
1561 1707.1300they out in the-1708.1051 
1563 1708.3087in the car-1708.8435 
1564PRV_int_011709.0045Okay.1709.3974
1565PRV_se0_ag3_m_011709.4920of me s-1710.2872
1567 1710.8458in a diaper. I guess I'm about1712.4836 
1569 1714.4554five years old,1715.7855 
1571 1716.0364see my grandm-1716.7417 
1573 1717.6126/RD-NAME-1/,1718.3274 
1575 1719.0610to me, was white.1719.9868 
1576PRV_int_011720.4885Really?1720.7867
1577PRV_se0_ag3_m_011721.0092Yeah.1721.4447
1578PRV_int_011721.5725Okay.1721.9275
1579PRV_se0_ag3_m_011721.8565Blue eyes, silver blue hair.1723.2150
1580PRV_int_011723.2623Wow.1723.5605
1581PRV_se0_ag3_m_011723.9108And uh, and we are standing- /RD-NAME-2/ is standing next to her.1727.4542
1583 1728.4624He's sitting and I'm standing, and I think I got a lollipop1730.9285 
1585 1731.1064in my mouth.1731.6767 
1586PRV_int_011731.6081Uh-huh.1731.9679
1587PRV_se0_ag3_m_011732.2329And she's got her arm around me.1733.6766
1589 1734.0506But um,1734.9073 
1591 1735.7641she- she used to-1736.7297 
1593 1737.1584used to tell us1737.9158 
1595 1739.2412some stories1740.2088 
1597 1741.0351in uh- on the front porch.1743.1415 
1598PRV_int_011743.4377Mm-hm.1743.7359
1599PRV_se0_ag3_m_011743.7880We had a grape vine1745.0424
1601 1745.3832on- on both ends of the porch.1746.9310 
1602PRV_int_011746.9831Uh-huh.1747.3191
1603PRV_se0_ag3_m_011747.3759One- one end of the porch was screened in.1749.4188
1605 1749.7738We had two swings.1750.8151 
1607 1751.3406And she would um,1752.7606 
1609 1753.8114sit us in the swing with her1755.3261 
1611 1755.7265and she would1756.2803 
1613 1756.6163just1756.9240 
1615 1757.2838rock1757.6577 
1617 1757.9654the swing with us gently and-1759.2387 
1618PRV_int_011759.3049Mm-hm.1759.6315
1619PRV_se0_ag3_m_011759.5747and tell- and1760.2611
1620 1760.4031tell how- about- you know, when she was growing up.1762.0578
1621PRV_int_011762.0957Mm-hm.1762.4507
1622PRV_se0_ag3_m_011762.6637Now her mom would come out of um,1764.6517
1624 1766.0197a little place called Lawrence's.1767.5987 
1625PRV_int_011768.1525Okay.1768.3607
1626PRV_se0_ag3_m_011768.5501/RD-NAME-2/.1769.1702
1627PRV_int_011769.5867Okay.1769.9133
1628PRV_se0_ag3_m_011769.9370/RD-NAME-1/-1770.4337
1630 1770.7653/RD-NAME-1/ uh, /RD-NAME-2/.1772.3652 
1631PRV_int_011772.5120Okay.1772.9048
1632PRV_se0_ag3_m_011773.0184Yep.1773.4113
1634 1774.0436And that's what she was, a /RD-NAME-2/ before she married um,1776.5050 
1636 1777.6457grandpa.1778.3084 
1637PRV_int_011778.5289Okay.1778.8792
1638PRV_se0_ag3_m_011779.7217Yeah.1780.2945
1640 1781.5110Can you imagine, man, what it was like for her?1783.5227 
1642 1784.0575You know, now1784.6634 
1644 1785.0732granddaddy was as dark as that book case.1787.7808 
1645PRV_int_011787.8802Okay.1788.2636
1646PRV_se0_ag3_m_011788.4955But he was smart. He was a business man.1790.3037
1647PRV_int_011790.2800Uh-huh.1790.6303
1648PRV_se0_ag3_m_011790.5120Cause he was buying real estate1791.8685
1649 1792.4601uh, with his money that he was making from the [railroad.]1794.4908
1650PRV_int_011794.2872[Mm-hm.]1794.8789
1651PRV_se0_ag3_m_011794.9689And for him to um,1796.2043
1653 1796.6634have married1797.3924 
1655 1798.2282t- um, /RD-NAME-1/1799.7808 
1657 1801.0635and to move in Princeville,1803.0042 
1658PRV_int_011803.3052Mm-hm.1803.8259
1660 1804.2897[Wow.]1804.5785 
1661PRV_se0_ag3_m_011804.4175[<ts>]1804.5217
1662 1804.8388can imagine-1805.5488
1664 1805.7902[<laugh>]1806.6139 
1665PRV_int_011805.8044[Naw, I can't.]1806.5902
1666 1806.7748[<laugh> Wow (laughing).]1808.2232
1667PRV_se0_ag3_m_011806.8127[<laugh>]1808.3889
1668PRV_int_011808.7202That's uh-1809.6223
1669PRV_se0_ag3_m_011809.7691Yeah.1810.2945
1670PRV_int_011810.9240Wow that musta been1812.0966
1672 1813.7499amazing.1814.3274 
1673PRV_se0_ag3_m_011814.5688Yep.1814.8149
1675 1816.1714Yeah next time you- when you come back1817.6009 
1677 1817.7997um,1818.3298 
1679 1819.0257uh, with your camera, I'll have all s- s-1821.3052 
1681 1821.7596these pictures for you to see.1822.8767 
1682PRV_int_011823.0140Definitely.1823.5407
1683PRV_se0_ag3_m_011823.6056[Yeah.]1823.9417
1684PRV_int_011823.6530[In fact] I'd love to see [those.]1824.9594
1685PRV_se0_ag3_m_011824.5855[Yeah.]1824.9736
1686PRV_int_011825.1535I'd love to see those.1826.0433
1688 1827.2484[So you-]1827.6555 
1689PRV_se0_ag3_m_011827.2815[B-]1827.6602
1690PRV_int_011828.7347do you-1829.1418
1692 1829.6435now,1829.9985 
1694 1830.6801maybe we should get1831.4659 
1696 1831.6931straight to- to beginning.1833.3288 
1697PRV_se0_ag3_m_011833.4330Mm-hm.1833.8779
1698PRV_int_011833.9111For you, you were born1835.3358
1700 1836.2494uh, in that house on- on Main Street.1838.7513 
1701PRV_se0_ag3_m_011838.7439Right.1839.1983
1702 1839.3714Uh-huh.1839.7738
1703PRV_int_011839.8164Um,1840.3655
1705 1840.8341what-1841.0518 
1707 1841.3264what1841.5583 
1709 1841.8802year- what [was the date?]1842.8079 
1710PRV_se0_ag3_m_011842.1831[February-]1842.7985
1711 1842.9594February thirteenth, nineteen forty.1844.8764
1712PRV_int_011845.0022Okay.1845.4188
1713PRV_se0_ag3_m_011845.6555[Yep.]1846.1477
1714PRV_int_011845.9868[Okay.]1846.3465
1715PRV_se0_ag3_m_011846.7725And um,1847.8281
1717 1848.3630a legendary1849.3428 
1719 1849.6457doctor-1850.1096 
1721 1850.8839Doctor /RD-NAME-6/.1852.9808 
1722PRV_int_011853.1607Yes.1853.6104
1723PRV_se0_ag3_m_011853.8612would assist.1854.6281
1724PRV_int_011855.1109Okay.1855.5321
1725PRV_se0_ag3_m_011855.9013And uh,1856.6776
1727 1857.6413my mama told me, she say, and they would name me for-1860.4860 
1729 1861.0825for- for doctor-1861.9487 
1731 1862.3084doc- doctor [/RD-NAME-2/.]1863.5000 
1732PRV_int_011862.3084[Really?]1862.6729
1734 1863.3099[Oh] I didn't [know that.]1864.2187 
1735PRV_se0_ag3_m_011863.8732[/RD-NAME-2/-] /RD-NAME-2, yeah.1864.9003
1736PRV_int_011864.8530Yeah.1865.1654
1737PRV_se0_ag3_m_011865.3074Yeah.1865.6151
1738PRV_int_011865.6908Okay.1866.1878
1739PRV_se0_ag3_m_011866.6139And um-1867.5984
1740PRV_int_011867.5747Yeah they just did a- I saw a piece in the paper on- on1870.4601
1741PRV_se0_ag3_m_011870.6873On [him?]1871.0566
1742PRV_int_011870.8246[Doctor] Quigless.1871.7808
1743PRV_se0_ag3_m_011871.6766Yep.1871.9086
1744 1873.0541Yep.1873.6552
1746 1874.4173And um,1875.3734 
1748 1877.2364like I say,1877.7192 
1750 1878.1689I was born the year of the flood,1879.9913 
1752 1880.2232and they had a flood in nineteen forty.1881.9679 
1753PRV_int_011882.1241Oh really?1882.5643
1754PRV_se0_ag3_m_011882.8435That I don't remember1884.4150
1756 1884.8837being so young1885.7451 
1757PRV_int_011885.7688Mm-hm.1886.0859
1758PRV_se0_ag3_m_011886.2090but I remember another one in forty-1888.7725
1760 1889.9275forty six or forty f-1891.9203 
1762 1892.5668I think I had just started school.1894.2329 
1764 1897.7357Then they said the next one here is in fifty eight.1899.9016 
1765PRV_int_011900.2424Mm-hm.1900.5974
1766PRV_se0_ag3_m_011900.5879But that was a smaller one,1902.3118
1767PRV_int_011902.5476Okay.1902.9917
1768PRV_se0_ag3_m_011904.2280which would cause us to move out here.1905.8401
1769PRV_int_011906.1903Oh really?1906.6542
1770PRV_se0_ag3_m_011906.6873Yeah in the forties.1907.5583
1771PRV_int_011907.6340Oh [wow.]1908.0648
1772PRV_se0_ag3_m_011907.8186[Yeah], yeah.1908.4813
1773PRV_int_011908.8032So it was- it was bad enough that you had to move?1911.3336
1774PRV_se0_ag3_m_011911.3572Yeah it came- it came up to the house-1913.3216
1776 1913.8802to the-1914.2068 
1778 1914.4340to the porch1915.1298 
1780 1915.3570and maybe1916.3226 
1782 1916.6330where the back1917.3620 
1784 1918.1099y- back1918.7583 
1786 1918.9619uh, kitchen parts1920.1310 
1788 1920.6612sort of declined.1921.8729 
1789PRV_int_011922.0386Mm.1922.2800
1790PRV_se0_ag3_m_011922.2564I think it came up in there a little bit.1923.9016
1791PRV_int_011923.9395Okay.1924.3323
1792PRV_se0_ag3_m_011924.3655Yep.1924.6021
1794 1924.7299I remember um,1925.6814 
1796 1926.5144us pushing you know, with the brooms and shovels getting the- the s- the- the silt1931.1323 
1798 1931.6482and the mud out of it.1932.7227 
1799PRV_int_011932.9925Hm.1933.2671
1800PRV_se0_ag3_m_011933.5653Yep.1934.0102
1801PRV_int_011934.1759And you were about six or seven?1935.5000
1802PRV_se0_ag3_m_011935.6555Mm-hm.1936.0436
1803PRV_int_011936.1383Okay.1936.4649
1804PRV_se0_ag3_m_011936.5785Yep.1936.7773
1805PRV_int_011937.3595What was uh- so that was one of your first memories1939.7410
1807 1939.9439of growing up in-1940.8670 
1808PRV_se0_ag3_m_011940.8480Yeah,1941.1746
1809 1941.3383and uh,1942.0199
1811 1942.4980getting on uh- getting on the boat.1944.3535 
1813 1944.8079But prior to that flood,1946.1428 
1815 1946.5072I remember my uncle /RD-NAME-1/,1948.2329 
1817 1948.5595which was the baby boy,1949.6672 
1818PRV_int_011949.8186Mm-hm.1950.1405
1819PRV_se0_ag3_m_011950.5665um,1951.1819
1821 1951.6931going off1952.9738 
1823 1953.2152or was he coming in from, um,1955.3453 
1825 1956.0884World War Two.1956.9310 
1826PRV_int_011957.3949[Okay.]1957.9203
1827PRV_se0_ag3_m_011957.7593[He] was sick.1958.4883
1828 1958.6756Yeah, I think he had malaria. He had caught that in Iwo Jima or either the Philippine Islands.1962.9073
1830 1963.2907I remember them bringing him home.1964.6634 
1831PRV_int_011964.8886[Mkay.]1965.3004
1832PRV_se0_ag3_m_011965.1632[So I] musta been around about- I hadn't started school then.1967.3548
1833 1968.0458But I remember that.1969.1393
1835 1969.8067And uh,1970.4646 
1837 1971.3620oh and /RD-NAME-2/ I had some-1972.6873 
1839 1973.6056some-1974.0458 
1841 1974.5429some vivid1975.2008 
1843 1976.1002incidents1976.9569 
1845 1978.2945um,1978.9098 
1847 1979.5062back in the day /that I-/1980.3440 
1849 1980.5286I remember my first dog,1981.7493 
1850PRV_int_011982.2090Okay.1982.4883
1851PRV_se0_ag3_m_011982.4220Snowball.1983.2693
1852PRV_int_011983.2910<laugh>1983.6365
1853PRV_se0_ag3_m_011984.1004Pure white Eskimo Spitz,1985.7003
1854PRV_int_011985.7950Okay.1986.2020
1855PRV_se0_ag3_m_011986.3109and I used to lay down on the ground with him,1988.5120
1857 1989.1206and then in the backyard, we had this big yard,1991.3595 
1859 1992.4292no grass,1993.4327 
1861 1994.3747and the ground was as hard as concrete.1996.4838 
1862PRV_int_011996.6542Okay.1997.0234
1863PRV_se0_ag3_m_011997.1465And we used to sweep it1998.1310
1865 1998.3724with the1998.9878 
1867 1999.1819brush brooms.2000.1854 
1869 2001.4330And it would look neat2002.6163 
1871 2003.0045a-2003.2364 
1873 2003.5015uh, once you cl- you know, got it2005.3712 
1875 2005.9629cleaned and neat.2006.6445 
1877 2007.1253And um,2007.9111 
1879 2008.6353I used to lay on that2009.8707 
1881 2010.0884ground and look at that dog, look him in his eyes and2013.6413 
1883 2014.4128he'd look me right in mine and2016.0648 
1885 2017.0967then I would draw him.2018.5688 
1887 2018.9928I would draw on this ground.2020.3749 
1888PRV_int_012020.4649Mm-hm.2020.9098
1889PRV_se0_ag3_m_012021.4068That's how I would- I learned to-2022.9547
1891 2023.4327to draw- you know, my- my skills of art.2025.0232 
1892PRV_int_012025.3146Okay.2025.7785
1893PRV_se0_ag3_m_012025.8732And um,2026.7820
1895 2027.8896<ts>2027.9701 
1897 2028.5807the- and I'm shooting marbles right in that same ground.2031.4283 
1898PRV_int_012031.5608Wow.2031.9253
1899PRV_se0_ag3_m_012032.1335Now grass grew2033.2270
1901 2033.7760on the side2034.9452 
1903 2035.5747of the yard,2036.2090 
1905 2036.5356but not-2037.0468 
1907 2037.5987that was our play area.2038.8530 
1908PRV_int_012039.0802Uh-huh.2039.3879
1909PRV_se0_ag3_m_012039.9322And2040.3630
1911 2040.7748I used to be so mischievous [man.]2042.9758 
1912PRV_int_012042.8176[<laugh>]2043.4803
1913PRV_se0_ag3_m_012044.3371I recall2045.2554
1915 2045.4021um,2045.9512 
1917 2047.0588after so many close incidents,2048.9048 
1918PRV_int_012048.9880Uh-huh.2049.3525
1919PRV_se0_ag3_m_012049.9584with death,2050.5974
1920PRV_int_012050.9098Yep.2051.1323
1921PRV_se0_ag3_m_012051.5867my mama and them, they got a chain,2053.4327
1923 2054.6634a dog chain,2055.6791 
1924PRV_int_012055.9489Okay.2056.3655
1925PRV_se0_ag3_m_012057.2222and put it around my waist.2058.8269
1926PRV_int_012059.5369Really.2059.8682
1927PRV_se0_ag3_m_012060.1806Yeah.2060.6824
1929 2060.9880And uh,2061.7123 
1931 2063.8328today that would be looked upon2065.4517 
1933 2066.0339as abuse.2066.7439 
1934PRV_int_012067.0306Mm.2067.3099
1935PRV_se0_ag3_m_012067.5466But to me,2068.2140
1937 2068.7489that wont nothing but love.2069.9559 
1938PRV_int_012070.0316Yeah.2070.3677
1939PRV_se0_ag3_m_012070.5050Cause I was-2071.2387
1941 2071.9108I was into it.2072.9285 
1942PRV_int_012073.2531Hm.2073.4519
1943PRV_se0_ag3_m_012073.5797I was2073.8827
1945 2074.0957not2074.4838 
1947 2075.3406a bad kid, just inquisitive.2077.2576 
1948PRV_int_012077.3097Yeah.2077.6789
1949PRV_se0_ag3_m_012077.9629Uh,2078.3033
1951 2078.4580she- mama, she used to say,2079.7217 
1953 2080.1525at three and four years old, you used to cross that railroad track, used to walk out the back,2085.8117 
1954PRV_int_012086.0436Mm.2086.2803
1955PRV_se0_ag3_m_012086.6921down by that pecan tree,2088.1642
1956PRV_int_012088.1878Uh-huh.2088.5902
1957PRV_se0_ag3_m_012088.5760through the garden,2089.2765
1958PRV_int_012089.3712Right.2089.6789
1959PRV_se0_ag3_m_012089.9250to go see her mom,2090.8954
1960PRV_int_012090.9360Mm-hm.2091.3525
1961PRV_se0_ag3_m_012091.8637which lived across the railroad track.2093.5867
1963 2093.9985And she said she used to see this red head2095.9392 
1965 2096.9806going2097.5480 
1967 2098.4601and um,2099.1938 
1969 2099.9938she would hear mama-2101.1582 
1971 2101.3523/RD-NAME-4/ her mama-2102.4315 
1973 2102.6871would holler back,2103.5000 
1975 2103.8543I got him.2104.4933 
1976PRV_int_012104.6116Mm-hm.2104.9003
1977PRV_se0_ag3_m_012105.5015And I would sh- /unintelligible/.2107.2292
1979 2107.5605I was always telling 'em,2108.3632 
1981 2108.6094I wanted to go see Ma /RD-NAME-3/.2109.9347 
1982PRV_int_012110.0957[Mm.]2110.3939
1983PRV_se0_ag3_m_012110.1809[I wanna] go see Ma /RD-NAME-3/.2110.9950
1984PRV_int_012111.0613Mm.2111.3264
1985PRV_se0_ag3_m_012111.6293But she w-2112.2210
1987 2112.4198man, but um,2113.3239 
1989 2113.9960<ts>2114.1854 
1991 2115.2436i- it was too much for mama.2116.7205 
1992PRV_int_012117.1276Yeah.2117.3595
1993PRV_se0_ag3_m_012117.3784She said she couldn't take it2118.4340
1995 2118.8032cause2119.0967 
1997 2119.3570one of us- I think my baby- younger brother had got hitten by a car,2123.0566 
1999 2123.7571going across the street2125.0351 
2001 2126.0007to Mr. /RD-NAME-1/ house2127.2362 
2002PRV_int_012127.5087Oh.2127.7217
2003PRV_se0_ag3_m_012127.6034where /RD-NAME-3/2128.4791
2004PRV_int_012128.7631[Wow.]2129.1134
2005PRV_se0_ag3_m_012128.8435[/RD-NAME-2/] stay.2129.5820
2006 2130.3393And um,2131.1251
2008 2131.7546so that's when uh, the chain2133.4377 
2010 2134.4885came in2135.2506 
2012 2135.7571in the play- and uh-2136.8363 
2014 2137.6599it- it-2138.1664 
2016 2138.5498it was long enough for me to- and she put it around that big pecan tree.2141.7429 
2017PRV_int_012141.9228Hm.2142.3014
2018PRV_se0_ag3_m_012142.3961And I'd be just as-2143.3144
2020 2143.4895I'm'a tell you. I know what the deal was.2145.5000 
2022 2146.0957/??/ This ain't no abuse.2147.4636 
2024 2147.7997This is life saving.2149.2576 
2025PRV_int_012149.2765Yeah.2149.5179
2026PRV_se0_ag3_m_012149.7499Yeah cause-2150.2706
2027PRV_int_012150.6046Now did your brother- You said your brother was hit by a car?2153.0518
2028PRV_se0_ag3_m_012153.1938Yeah /RD-NAME-1/.2153.6766
2030 2154.3677Yeah, he- there- it was four of us.2156.3084 
2031PRV_int_012156.4410Uh-huh.2156.7392
2032PRV_se0_ag3_m_012156.7987And the third boy2157.7501
2034 2157.9205uh, /RD-NAME-1/ he would be hit by uh,2159.8612 
2036 2160.2494a car.2160.6896 
2038 2161.2860And um-2162.0623 
2039PRV_int_012162.1380But he didn't-2162.8433
2040PRV_se0_ag3_m_012163.0874No, n- didn't /hurt/ him, just a little [bump on the] head.2164.9477
2041PRV_int_012164.4838[Oh.]2164.7915
2042 2165.0282Oh.2165.2696
2043PRV_se0_ag3_m_012165.1938By that time, it wa- they was using a- them2166.6754
2044 2166.8647A model or T model Fords.2168.4504
2045PRV_int_012168.5120Really.2168.7534
2046PRV_se0_ag3_m_012168.8318And they kind of high,2169.7549
2047PRV_int_012169.8874Okay.2170.2140
2048PRV_se0_ag3_m_012170.3134and so uh- and they weren't g- the man wasn't going that [fast.]2173.1771
2049PRV_int_012172.9641[Oh.]2173.2197
2050PRV_se0_ag3_m_012174.0055And um-2174.6492
2051PRV_int_012175.1584That was enough to get everybody-2176.5453
2052PRV_se0_ag3_m_012176.8435Yeah get every- get everybody upset.2178.3578
2053PRV_int_012178.7322Yeah.2179.0541
2054PRV_se0_ag3_m_012179.0399Yep.2179.2907
2055 2180.0291And we had a- a gentleman here in town by the name of Mr. /RD-NAME-2/2183.5441
2056PRV_int_012183.6340Mm-hm.2183.9938
2057PRV_se0_ag3_m_012184.5902who wore three or four hats.2186.2327
2059 2186.9616He was2187.7090 
2061 2188.7299the police chief,2189.6828 
2063 2190.5618he was electrician,2191.7309 
2065 2192.7060he was everybody's daddy,2194.4459 
2066PRV_int_012194.5217Okay (laughing).2195.1891
2067PRV_se0_ag3_m_012195.3074he- and he and my daddy were pretty tight too.2197.3002
2069 2197.7593And he had horses.2198.8717 
2070PRV_int_012198.9218Uh-huh.2199.2105
2071PRV_se0_ag3_m_012199.2531So he would-2199.9300
2073 2200.6968/RD-NAME-2/ was just- he was our hero.2203.1014 
2074PRV_int_012203.1629Mm-hm.2203.5747
2075PRV_se0_ag3_m_012204.0055But I remember one day2205.3241
2077 2207.1938I-2207.7003 
2079 2208.2872his daughter /RD-NAME-3/,2210.0812 
2080PRV_int_012210.1380Mm-hm.2210.4457
2081PRV_se0_ag3_m_012210.3964and /RD-NAME-4/ who happened to stay2212.5075
2082 2212.9998in Mr. /RD-NAME-2/'s house,2214.2825
2083PRV_int_012214.4955Mm-hm.2214.9357
2084PRV_se0_ag3_m_012215.1393we were standing on the sidewalk-2217.2930
2086 2217.7691Would you believe we had sidewalk?2219.0660 
2087PRV_int_012219.3358Mm- Okay.2220.0032
2088PRV_se0_ag3_m_012219.9748Back in the [forties?]2220.8269
2089PRV_int_012220.6896[Mm-hm.] Wow.2221.3049
2090PRV_se0_ag3_m_012221.4611And um,2222.2374
2092 2222.4078looking at him2223.3288 
2094 2223.6649and my daddy work this-2225.0045 
2096 2225.3690pull these lines up,2226.3535 
2098 2226.6091[running] these- these electric wires.2228.1712 
2099PRV_int_012226.6091[Mm.]2226.9310
2100 2228.3936Mm-hm.2228.7960
2101PRV_se0_ag3_m_012229.9489And along came this-2231.3690
2103 2233.6268was it a bus or a truck?2235.0448 
2105 2235.7075Anyway,2236.2424 
2107 2238.0364daddy had to cut2239.1819 
2109 2240.2895the wire because it didn't seem like that guy was gonna stop.2242.8388 
2110PRV_int_012243.1228Yeah.2243.3784
2111PRV_se0_ag3_m_012244.1026And when he cut it just in time,2245.8777
2113 2246.4126it wrapped around that car-2248.0531 
2115 2248.6116the car's wheel,2249.4447 
2117 2249.7476and we were standing on it-2250.9310 
2119 2251.5037on the line, on the sidewalk.2252.6303 
2120PRV_int_012252.9691Wow.2253.2578
2121PRV_se0_ag3_m_012253.3194And it would pick us up2254.2992
2123 2254.9619and2255.2980 
2125 2255.5867throw us.2256.1689 
2126PRV_int_012256.6375Uh-2256.8505
2127PRV_se0_ag3_m_012256.9973/RD-NAME-3/ went under the car.2258.7439
2129 2259.0685I don't know what happened to /RD-NAME-4/, but I would be- I would land2262.1121 
2131 2262.9405on the front porch of my Uncle /RD-NAME-1/'s house2265.0658 
2133 2265.3714in the swing.2266.0199 
2134PRV_int_012266.4791Wow.2266.9193
2135PRV_se0_ag3_m_012267.0187And I remember this like it was yesterday. I was um,2269.4517
2137 2270.3195/druggy/ man and it just hurting,2272.4459 
2139 2272.7820and he didn't know2273.5536 
2141 2274.3251what to do cause they- but he just picked me up,2276.2848 
2142PRV_int_012276.4836Mm.2276.7013
2143PRV_se0_ag3_m_012276.6729and when he did,2277.3545
2144 2277.6318I- one of my bones,2278.9477
2146 2279.9322rib bones was cracked.2281.1393 
2147PRV_int_012281.6221Uh-oh.2282.0149
2148PRV_se0_ag3_m_012282.0244And uh,2282.8575
2150 2283.3525he came around the back2284.3418 
2152 2284.8104and2285.2175 
2154 2285.3690put-2285.5867 
2156 2285.9654told us /about/ a pump- just to pump water.2287.6315 
2157PRV_int_012287.9771Uh-huh.2288.2611
2158PRV_se0_ag3_m_012288.1948A little hand pumps.2289.0989
2159 2289.4898And I remember that coming down on face, and I- j- I thought he was tryna drown me.2293.0919
2160PRV_int_012293.0967<laugh>2293.6505
2161PRV_se0_ag3_m_012293.6457But anyway,2294.1570
2162 2294.9454Daddy come running around and, where's /RD-NAME-2/? And they- and just- s- Uncle /RD-NAME-1/ say,2298.8269
2164 2299.2339we got to get him to the hospital, say he's bleeding.2301.0942 
2165PRV_int_012301.1632Mm.2301.4188
2166PRV_se0_ag3_m_012301.8685And um,2302.7962
2168 2303.2554at that time,2304.0695 
2170 2305.3949Doctor /RD-NAME-2/ didn't have an emergency room,2307.5000 
2171PRV_int_012307.5819Mm.2307.9275
2172PRV_se0_ag3_m_012308.6328and2309.2576
2174 2309.4848Edgecombe General2310.5498 
2176 2311.6385was downtown.2312.4763 
2177PRV_int_012312.5453Mm-hm.2313.0849
2178PRV_se0_ag3_m_012313.2648And at that time, black folks2314.7322
2180 2315.5794weren't um,2316.8196 
2182 2318.9544allowed to come through an emergency situation. You had-2321.3996 
2184 2322.0007they had to look at you first and get your name [and your birthday.] You could be bleeding out your head.2326.1736 
2185PRV_int_012324.1166[Mm.]2324.5000
2186 2326.1973Mm.2326.5949
2187PRV_se0_ag3_m_012326.9262And uh,2327.6173
2189 2328.6871but daddy you know, broke on in there,2330.7461 
2190PRV_int_012330.9997[Mm-hm.]2331.2837
2191PRV_se0_ag3_m_012331.2033[and uh], had a few harsh words. He tell 'em, say, we need a doctor around here- We ain't got time to go through none of that-2336.1592
2192 2336.9165that2337.0849
2194 2337.3263ism.2337.6671 
2195PRV_int_012337.7476[Right! <laugh>]2340.2563
2196PRV_se0_ag3_m_012337.7665[<laugh>]2339.6788
2197 2340.3037And uh,2341.0042
2198PRV_int_012341.0137Yeah.2341.4492
2199PRV_se0_ag3_m_012341.5486that would be my first encounter uh, in the emergency room. [Yeah.]2344.5570
2200PRV_int_012344.2162[Okay.]2344.5618
2201PRV_se0_ag3_m_012344.8647Yep.2345.1487
2203 2345.4753O- over- you know- and in a hospital- /within/ a hospital2347.8136 
2205 2348.0077as many close shaves2349.9606 
2206PRV_int_012350.2304Mm.2350.6517
2207PRV_se0_ag3_m_012350.6091I would get myself into.2352.1948
2208 2352.7817But over all, man, my uh- my life's2354.9354
2210 2355.5109growing up here in Princeville2357.1392 
2212 2357.8682was just2358.7155 
2214 2359.9462like a paradise.2360.8408 
2215PRV_int_012360.9808Really?2361.3879
2216PRV_se0_ag3_m_012361.4825Yep, we were poor,2362.6328
2217PRV_int_012362.8884Uh-huh.2363.3144
2218PRV_se0_ag3_m_012363.4800didn't know it,2364.0859
2220 2364.8433didn't care about it,2365.7900 
2221PRV_int_012365.9130Okay.2366.3958
2222PRV_se0_ag3_m_012366.3059wont worried about it.2367.1816
2223PRV_int_012367.3027Okay.2367.7097
2224PRV_se0_ag3_m_012367.7997Yeah.2368.2115
2226 2368.4056Christmas time come,2370.0055 
2228 2370.5877I thought I had something if I had2372.3769 
2230 2372.9354a orange2373.7902 
2232 2374.1641and uh,2375.0351 
2234 2375.7782some2376.2753 
2236 2376.5356grapes or raisins and an apple2378.7792 
2237PRV_int_012378.9118Mm.2379.1485
2238PRV_se0_ag3_m_012379.1275and one toy.2379.9133
2239PRV_int_012380.4576Really.2380.7322
2240PRV_se0_ag3_m_012380.7274I was2381.1487
2241 2381.3475tickled to death.2381.9250
2242PRV_int_012381.9676Mm-hm.2382.4930
2243PRV_se0_ag3_m_012382.6445Yep.2382.8669
2245 2383.5107And uh,2384.3154 
2247 2385.6245but the Christmas tree,2386.7416 
2249 2386.9168I will never forget /RD-NAME-2/ the baby girl2389.2645 
2251 2389.9888uncle- aunt,2390.8313 
2252PRV_int_012390.9855Yeah.2391.3689
2253PRV_se0_ag3_m_012391.4541she- it was her job to um-2393.8256
2255 2395.0989to make the snow2395.9462 
2256PRV_int_012396.7272Okay (laughing).2397.1579
2257PRV_se0_ag3_m_012397.8849The fake snow?2398.6943
2258PRV_int_012398.7085Uh-huh.2399.0446
2259PRV_se0_ag3_m_012399.1014And we- we get us the tree out of the woods, a cedar tree.2402.2396
2260PRV_int_012402.4384Uh-huh.2402.7698
2261PRV_se0_ag3_m_012403.0565And uh,2403.7713
2263 2404.8458she used to get us on the floor,2406.3321 
2265 2406.6871uh, all the kids, me and my brothers,2409.0727 
2267 2409.7571and cut these rings out of n- of paper,2412.3936 
2268PRV_int_012412.5877Mm-hm.2412.9521
2269PRV_se0_ag3_m_012413.6338a- about a half an inch2414.8834
2271 2415.4683wide and maybe2416.6564 
2273 2416.9736three inches long,2417.9487 
2274PRV_int_012418.0007Mm.2418.2516
2275PRV_se0_ag3_m_012418.3652and we would use um,2419.8894
2277 2420.7110this old white s- stick,2422.3109 
2279 2422.4766glue, to make these chains2424.1427 
2280PRV_int_012424.3605Mm-hm.2424.7107
2281PRV_se0_ag3_m_012424.8433and loop 'em.2425.3923
2283 2425.6385But before we did that, we would2426.6846 
2285 2426.9808use crayon and color 'em different colors.2428.9357 
2286PRV_int_012429.0635Mkay.2429.4516
2287PRV_se0_ag3_m_012429.4942These would be the Christmas loops, the Christmas chains2432.1686
2288PRV_int_012432.3769[Right.]2432.5757
2289PRV_se0_ag3_m_012432.4763[around] the /?/.2433.3189
2290 2433.6813And then I remember one- one Christmas, she got fancy with us.2436.6019
2292 2437.0421She had us sewing2438.2870 
2294 2438.5568popcorn,2439.1295 
2295PRV_int_012439.4021Okay.2439.7287
2296PRV_se0_ag3_m_012439.8565put popcorn on a- [you know, and]2441.2339
2297PRV_int_012440.7416[Uh-huh.]2441.2102
2298PRV_se0_ag3_m_012442.0244and uh, the angel hair2443.5770
2300 2445.2317and those big2446.3677 
2302 2447.5037light- Christmas light bulb about the size of an egg.2450.4337 
2303PRV_int_012450.6041Oh okay.2451.0538
2304PRV_se0_ag3_m_012451.0613Those were the ones, man.2452.6138
2305PRV_int_012452.7038Yeah.2453.1487
2306PRV_se0_ag3_m_012453.1440You remember? You don't know nothing about that.2454.3699
2307PRV_int_012454.4636Christmas light bulb?2455.3014
2308PRV_se0_ag3_m_012455.4008The big ones.2456.0597
2309PRV_int_012456.0919The real big ones.2456.8635
2310PRV_se0_ag3_m_012456.9013Yeah, them big ones (laughing)-2457.5214
2311PRV_int_012457.5167Yeah yeah. I remember those- [<laugh>]2459.4148
2312PRV_se0_ag3_m_012458.5296[<laugh>]2458.9604
2313 2459.8550Yeah.2460.3094
2315 2460.6719They were on a-2461.6138 
2317 2462.6173on a big big2463.7581 
2319 2463.8764wire,2464.4065 
2320PRV_int_012464.5486Uh-huh.2465.0645
2321PRV_se0_ag3_m_012465.1450but you talking about something pretty.2466.8707
2322PRV_int_012467.2730Yeah.2467.5381
2323PRV_se0_ag3_m_012467.5949Man that would just- just-2468.6410
2325 2468.8729just- just did something to me. And I would- I be looking for 'em now. Say I wish I could find2472.8517 
2326PRV_int_012472.9511Mm-hm.2473.2730
2327PRV_se0_ag3_m_012473.2777some of them big bulbs.2474.4895
2328PRV_int_012474.5368<laugh>2475.6539
2329PRV_se0_ag3_m_012475.6918Yeah.2476.2361
2330PRV_int_012476.6811Wow.2477.0408
2332 2477.1686It sounds like you got a lot of memories.2479.0458 
2334 2479.1878/Seems like you do./2480.0540 
2335PRV_se0_ag3_m_012480.2102Oh yeah.2480.8777
2336PRV_int_012482.6054Now you uh,2483.5331
2338 2484.6340s-2484.8044 
2340 2485.0458you were right there on Main Street til2486.7167 
2342 2486.9392you were about six. What do you remember2488.7994 
2344 2489.4148about2489.8881 
2346 2490.5062that downtown2491.4860 
2348 2491.8694or Main Street area? What- what did it look like back then?2494.5202 
2349PRV_se0_ag3_m_012495.2633Well we had uh-2496.5251
2351 2497.2635it- it was a nice neighborhood, ha- had houses um, close together, nice front yards2502.2431 
2353 2502.9227with hedges2503.6233 
2355 2504.2860and crepe myrtle. We had a crepe myrtle tree- we had two crepe myrtle trees in the front yard. I used to2508.4873 
2357 2508.6482climb up.2509.1405 
2358PRV_int_012509.4434Mm-hm.2509.8126
2359PRV_se0_ag3_m_012509.7842And used to carve um,2511.4693
2360 2511.8480my name2512.5959
2361PRV_int_012513.2396<laugh>2513.3911
2362PRV_se0_ag3_m_012513.6467on 'em2514.1485
2364 2514.5346and then we had a mulberry, a2516.4232 
2366 2516.5842big mulberry tree that sat on the line, which was right-2519.5994 
2368 2520.1512it divided the- the property line of uh,2522.3522 
2370 2522.7924/RD-NAME-6/.2523.8575 
2372 2524.1604The /RD-NAME-2/'s and our [house.]2525.6656 
2373PRV_int_012525.3560[Okay.]2525.7062
2374PRV_se0_ag3_m_012526.4778And um,2527.3298
2376 2528.5889I remember eating those-2529.7344 
2378 2529.9095those dark2530.6811 
2380 2530.9414purple2531.4526 
2382 2532.1133juicy uh- berries man.2533.7748 
2383PRV_int_012533.8410Mm-hm.2534.1960
2384PRV_se0_ag3_m_012534.9155And then in the back we had2536.3119
2386 2536.4492two cherry trees that was on the line and we used to go back there and uh,2540.0730 
2388 2541.3510go up the cherry tree and just2542.6716 
2390 2543.6159stay up in the cherry tree and eat til we get sick.2545.9210 
2391PRV_int_012546.1699Uh-huh.2546.4208
2392PRV_se0_ag3_m_012546.4350Just eat them big black cherries or-2548.2006
2394 2548.5414Yep.2548.7686 
2395PRV_int_012548.8632<laugh>2549.1425
2396PRV_se0_ag3_m_012549.1662And the plums2550.2265
2398 2550.8276uh, yeah, that grew wild on- on the-2553.2681 
2400 2553.4053you know, in the woods,2554.3804 
2401PRV_int_012554.4798Mm-hm.2554.8632
2402PRV_se0_ag3_m_012554.8396the yellow sugar plum and then you had the red one.2557.2110
2403 2557.8717And then the blackberries.2559.0929
2405 2560.1769But um,2560.9816 
2407 2561.8052what I- what I really remember2563.2063 
2409 2564.6527most of all was going to school. My first days going to [school]2567.4034 
2410PRV_int_012567.3082[Oh] really?2567.8147
2411PRV_se0_ag3_m_012567.8194in Princeville.2568.5815
2412PRV_int_012568.6335Okay.2569.1684
2413PRV_se0_ag3_m_012569.2773Yep.2569.6370
2414PRV_int_012569.8575[/inaudible/]2570.8468
2415PRV_se0_ag3_m_012570.2599[All of my] buddies um,2571.5568
2416 2572.3189<ts> we would go there together.2573.4360
2418 2574.2549My first grade teacher was named Miss /RD-NAME-2/.2576.3498 
2419PRV_int_012576.6243Okay.2577.0882
2420PRV_se0_ag3_m_012577.3485And come to find out, she would teach my mom.2579.3129
2421PRV_int_012579.4502Really?2579.7105
2422PRV_se0_ag3_m_012579.8573Yeah.2580.1791
2423PRV_int_012580.2785Okay.2580.6477
2424PRV_se0_ag3_m_012580.7472And um,2581.7033
2426 2582.6859then Miss /RD-NAME-3/ which was Mr. /RD-NAME-2/'s wife, she taught second grade.2586.6430 
2427PRV_int_012586.6761Okay.2587.2205
2428PRV_se0_ag3_m_012587.5640And Miss /RD-NAME-2/,2588.9557
2429PRV_int_012589.3911Okay.2589.8033
2430PRV_se0_ag3_m_012590.0917third grade. Miss /RD-NAME-2/ had a reputation2592.0277
2432 2592.8513of uh,2593.4477 
2434 2593.6066being the baddest teacher.2594.8941 
2436 2595.3959She would beat you2596.3946 
2438 2597.5117um-2598.0797 
2440 2599.7459The other teachers- if the other teachers uh- couldn't- uh, didn't want to beat you,2603.1615 
2442 2603.5165they send you to Miss /RD-NAME-2/. Miss /RD-NAME-2/ act like she would be waiting-2606.2795 
2443PRV_int_012606.6480Mm.2606.8610
2444PRV_se0_ag3_m_012607.3438waiting for the opportunity to get on somebody's case.2610.0466
2446 2610.5389[<laugh>]2610.8797 
2447PRV_int_012610.5578[Yeah.]2610.8513
2448PRV_se0_ag3_m_012611.3341And then the fourth grade teachers was Mrs. /RD-NAME-2/.2613.3249
2450 2614.6408And that's as-2615.2135 
2452 2615.3745that's as high as Princeville would go.2617.2252 
2453PRV_int_012617.4761Okay.2617.8737
2454PRV_se0_ag3_m_012617.8480And then from there we would go over2619.6231
2455 2620.3994to um,2621.2656
2457 2621.4029/RD-SCHOOL-3/ Elementary which was Miss /RD-NAME-2/ would be the fifth grade teacher.2624.6430 
2458PRV_int_012624.6433Okay.2625.0598
2459PRV_se0_ag3_m_012625.1213Yeah.2625.4243
2460PRV_int_012625.6894Now /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was-2626.7875
2462 2627.0384was uh-2627.5733 
2463PRV_se0_ag3_m_012627.9377/RD-SCHOOL-7/.2628.8844
2464PRV_int_012628.9460That was2629.2300
2466 2629.4646a- still a segregated school.2630.9793 
2467PRV_se0_ag3_m_012631.1261[Uh-huh.]2631.5095
2468PRV_int_012631.3343[At that] [time.]2632.0538
2469PRV_se0_ag3_m_012631.6515[Segregated] s- Mm-hm.2632.6218
2470PRV_int_012632.7733And how far- did that go all the way up to high school at the [time?]2635.0832
2471PRV_se0_ag3_m_012634.6383[Y- Mm-hm.]2635.2820
2472PRV_int_012635.6776What was it [like] /??/?2636.7569
2473PRV_se0_ag3_m_012636.0895[Yeah.]2636.3356
2474 2636.8279That was great man.2637.9923
2475PRV_int_012638.1580Yeah?2638.4704
2476PRV_se0_ag3_m_012638.5224Yep.2638.9011
2478 2639.9141The years uh, was it forty nine and fifty?2643.2917 
2480 2644.8254And um,2645.8289 
2482 2648.7143I would meet2649.5521 
2484 2650.8443<ts>2650.9958 
2486 2651.4549our music teacher, Mrs /RD-NAME-2/.2653.9731 
2487PRV_int_012654.1510Okay.2654.5249
2488PRV_se0_ag3_m_012655.5852She would2656.1674
2490 2656.3473detect the tenor-2657.5875 
2492 2658.5294the vocal tr- you know, talent that I had.2660.3119 
2493PRV_int_012660.3119/Alright/. Okay.2661.0172
2494PRV_se0_ag3_m_012661.4385Plus I had already been singing in my first church over here that I would join which was Macedonia Baptist.2666.7711
2495PRV_int_012666.9036Uh-huh.2667.2491
2496PRV_se0_ag3_m_012667.3391Which set in a cow pasture.2668.7638
2497PRV_int_012669.1425Okay.2669.6064
2498PRV_se0_ag3_m_012669.7389Uh,2670.3022
2500 2670.6809right there where /RD-NAME-1/'s- I think when you came- soon as you crossed the railroad track,2674.4562 
2501PRV_int_012674.6313Mm-hm.2675.0052
2502PRV_se0_ag3_m_012675.5922well,2675.9898
2504 2676.1839just to the right,2677.0738 
2506 2677.3199where you see /RD-NAME-1/'s um,2678.9036 
2508 2679.6799<ts>2680.0728 
2510 2680.9106what is it- hazardous material?2682.3022 
2511PRV_int_012682.2407Mm-hm. [Mm-hm.]2682.9034
2512PRV_se0_ag3_m_012682.8087[That's] where Macedonia Baptist Church used to be.2685.0001
2513PRV_int_012684.9793Okay.2685.3485
2514PRV_se0_ag3_m_012685.4385And it was this um,2686.7875
2516 2687.2230bull out there that we used to2688.8418 
2518 2689.4572have fun with2690.3498 
2519PRV_int_012690.5723<laugh>2690.8059
2520PRV_se0_ag3_m_012690.9320during /my/ mischievous times, you [know.]2693.2041
2521PRV_int_012693.0526[<laugh>]2693.8383
2522PRV_se0_ag3_m_012693.9898But um,2695.0690
2524 2697.9686that uh-2698.7828 
2526 2700.6335Miss /RD-NAME-2/ uh,2701.6702 
2528 2702.4350she would- she would- she would see that2704.3568 
2530 2704.7307that little boy can sing a little bit.2706.2927 
2531PRV_int_012706.6430Mm-hm.2707.0596
2532PRV_se0_ag3_m_012707.0832And uh r-2707.7459
2534 2708.3261just bring me along and I'd get in the choir2710.4136 
2536 2711.2514at /RD-SCHOOL-3/2711.8762 
2537PRV_int_012712.2170Uh-huh.2712.5625
2538PRV_se0_ag3_m_012712.7850and2713.2300
2540 2713.9285I think they got some pictures-2715.7509 
2542 2716.1106somebody's got some pictures of me in the choir,2718.2833 
2543PRV_int_012718.5673Mm-hm.2718.8986
2544PRV_se0_ag3_m_012719.5972but um,2720.3829
2546 2721.3722and we would- they would travel.2722.5745 
2548 2723.2514My older brother /RD-NAME-2/ was also in the choir. He sang [too.]2726.7001 
2549PRV_int_012726.5344[Okay.]2727.0077
2550PRV_se0_ag3_m_012727.0361Yep.2727.3154
2552 2727.7036So we got our singing2728.9011 
2554 2729.2798from mom,2730.0087 
2556 2730.5389and then I would2731.4078 
2558 2731.7960find out I was athletic- um, -ly2734.5177 
2560 2734.8064inclined too, physically.2736.2975