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1ROC_int_010.3819So yeah, I just,1.6986
3 1.8245uh, tell people,3.1202 
5 3.3167um,3.9181 
7 4.1111pretty much that5.0937 
9 5.4998the questions are open ended.7.3713 
11 7.5660Feel free to respond, you know, how you would like and [um],11.1737 
12ROC_se0_ag1_f_0110.9287[Okay.]11.3622
13ROC_int_0111.4978tell stories or12.7444
15 12.9539there's no right or [wrong answer, it's just- <laugh>]15.6476 
16ROC_se0_ag1_f_0113.6763[Well, you got the right one, I like to run my mouth. <laugh>]16.6204
17ROC_int_0116.5225[Yeah] it's just17.5665
18 17.8881[whatever your experiences] were,19.9855
19ROC_se0_ag1_f_0118.2817[/Sorry my phone/.]19.2055
20ROC_int_0120.1524you know,20.6243
22 21.0787uh, I'm interested in.22.4537 
23ROC_se0_ag1_f_0122.8286[Good /?/.]23.6429
24ROC_int_0123.1774[If you see] me look down, it's just to make sure that this is still recording.27.1412
25ROC_se0_ag1_f_0127.2864Okay.27.6882
26ROC_int_0127.7166But you can still keep talking, like you don't have to30.0092
27ROC_se0_ag1_f_0130.1550[Okay.]30.4839
28ROC_int_0130.2222[pause] or anything.31.2140
29 31.7422Um,32.4179
31 32.8780let's see,33.5641 
33 33.8990and then the last thing I always ask at the beginning is, if you consent37.9808 
35 38.1226for, uh, doing this interview.39.6221 
36ROC_se0_ag1_f_0139.7518I do, [I do, yes.]41.7258
37ROC_int_0140.6054[Okay],40.9904
39 41.3383[great.]41.8310 
40 42.1320Gotta get that verbal43.0669
42 43.4402consent, [that's essential.]44.7939 
43ROC_se0_ag1_f_0143.9683[<laugh>]44.9161
44ROC_int_0144.9216<laugh>45.4703
46 45.9533Okay, great, so,47.4063 
48 47.6631I usually like to start off the conversation with, um,51.2793 
50 51.9772<ts>52.0569 
52 52.3155asking where you are from in the city of Rochester. Where did you grow up?56.6160 
53ROC_se0_ag1_f_0156.8399<ts> I actually grew up right down the street, um, born and raised. I grew up, um, in the eleventh ward on /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Street,63.4301
55 64.0150um, off the /RD-NAME-2/ in-65.6676 
57 65.9512in what people would consider the hood.67.9980 
59 68.0935But my street is very family oriented,70.8911 
61 71.0564quiet street.71.8569 
63 72.2052There's a church on my street, so, you know, there's-74.5981 
65 75.1513S- everybody that has been on my street, has been there literally, since I've been there, with g- exception of maybe, two or three houses,81.4964 
66ROC_int_0181.5821Mm-hm.82.1353
67ROC_se0_ag1_f_0182.1487so,82.6335
69 82.7775yeah.83.2219 
70ROC_int_0183.3023So how long, um, have you lived over there, or do your parents still live there?86.8008
71ROC_se0_ag1_f_0185.2260<ts>85.2794
73 86.7640All my life yes. Including me, I'm still there, I'm not going anywhere,90.3437 
74 90.5411<laugh> like I'm'a milk this one out, I'm the baby [<laugh>]94.3404
75ROC_int_0193.8960[Yup],94.1300
76 94.4799me too.94.8593
77ROC_se0_ag1_f_0194.8687Right, right, I'm like, mm, /?/ where I'm going, y'all need me here, so.97.9368
79 98.1952No yup, um,99.1523 
81 99.2972twenty-six years I've been there, and101.3340 
83 101.8038my dad has been there since eighty something, eighty-seven, something like that. So he's been there108.3235 
85 108.9776almost thirty years, if not more111.1048 
87 111.2409at this point, yeah.112.2814 
89 112.4262Wow,112.8433 
91 112.9531that's crazy113.6423 
93 114.0594to think about that. <laugh>115.6182 
94ROC_int_01115.6264Yeah, so you described the neighborhood a little bit, uh, but can you elaborate maybe say,120.7790
96 121.1917uh, the demographics and,123.2112 
97ROC_se0_ag1_f_01123.2302<ts>123.3547
99 123.7798Um, definitely African American primarily,127.0819 
101 127.4359um,127.9012 
103 128.0247<laugh> there is a more-129.4998 
105 129.9683I'm not sure, but over the years, I've kind of132.6902 
107 133.0358subconsciously labeled them as Mormon. I don't know if they're Mormon, but they kind of behave like Mormons. At the end of my street there's a family,141.0780 
109 141.5215um,142.1668 
111 142.4961of142.9351 
113 143.4224white people,144.1863 
115 144.7985and you kind of have seen the147.1703 
117 147.4477family evolve over the years, but they're very150.4932 
119 150.9498secluded, keep to themselves. They look like they153.4688 
121 153.6258make their own clothes, and155.0712 
123 155.4499I've never- I've only seen them drive a few times, but158.3024 
125 158.4219usually they walk everywhere.160.0401 
127 160.6109So /um/, (whispered)161.3848 
129 161.6733other than that, it's mostly, um, African Americans.164.3949 
131 164.9254There's a few houses that are rented, so167.6178 
133 167.7583I've seen a few Asian people move in and out.170.3353 
135 170.7172Um,171.2572 
137 172.1555<ts>172.2356 
139 172.5244and173.2619 
141 173.5824one-174.0521 
143 174.1839Um, actually I take that back. Two of my neighbors176.6599 
145 176.7808and one of my best friends and my first best friends179.0988 
146ROC_int_01179.0988Mm-hm.179.5003
147ROC_se0_ag1_f_01179.4956that lived next door to me, she was white too.181.5106
148 181.6387So my first best friend was actually a white girl. [<laugh>]184.2995
149ROC_int_01183.8457[Mm-hm.]184.3156
150ROC_se0_ag1_f_01184.8063Um, and then my neighbor on my other side, she's white also. So,188.2564
152 188.4313there's a mix but mostly African American,191.1268 
153ROC_int_01191.1906[Okay] cool.192.1669
154ROC_se0_ag1_f_01191.3443[yeah.]191.6384
155ROC_int_01192.4918And so, um, you said it was family oriented, so you played outside a lot with the kids on the street and-198.1905
156ROC_se0_ag1_f_01196.7619<ts>196.8261
157 198.2945Funny thing is, my mom did not-200.7790
159 201.1972um,201.8693 
161 202.4482she didn't play that. [<laugh>]203.8879 
162ROC_int_01203.6246[Mm-hm.]204.1586
163ROC_se0_ag1_f_01204.2144So she w- she would let me go out there with, um,207.3323
165 207.5451kids across the street.208.4541 
167 208.7615My best friend next door, she'd let me go next door.211.4508 
169 211.6446Her name was /RD-NAME-4/.212.9825 
171 213.3371And when /RD-NAME-4/ moved, I was about six or seven. My mom kind of217.4951 
173 217.9519said, okay I don't know if I really like the other neighbors, so,221.3470 
175 221.9551you know, we gonna keep you in front of our house in the backyard where I can see you.225.9400 
177 226.3395Um,226.7961 
179 227.0025I did play across the street with the kids. There weren't a ton of kids my age. Actually do you- you remember /RD-NAME-4/,233.7717 
180ROC_int_01233.8001[Yeah.]234.2273
181ROC_se0_ag1_f_01233.9406[yeah.]234.2190
182 234.4731He lives on my street too, so, um, I grew up playing with him too.238.3251
184 238.5555But he's a boy, so of course, you know, mom's like, okay as far as I can see you with that one.242.8899 
185ROC_int_01242.8663Yeah.243.4288
186ROC_se0_ag1_f_01243.4773Um,244.0721
188 244.2506<ts> so I played with him, and then there were another set of kids across the street.247.9586 
190 248.2325But they got a dog, um,249.8852 
192 250.1331when I was about eight,251.5938 
194 251.7688maybe. My mom didn't- like, it was a pitbull so my mom was like,254.8153 
196 255.0216no you can't go over there anymore, so.256.8006 
198 257.0559I spent a lot of time, um, actually259.2453 
200 259.9785<ts> with my aunt, um, who lived on /RD-ADDRESS-2/, cause my mom worked evenings and my dad worked a trick shift, so he was working days and nights.267.0412 
202 267.3804So I spent a lot of time over there,269.1242 
204 269.4086ton of kids over there though,270.7153 
206 271.0225/that I/271.3733 
208 271.5369used to play with, so272.7919 
210 272.9830yeah.273.2628 
212 273.3934<laugh>273.6405 
213ROC_int_01273.7104Okay, cool, and, um, did you play at any, I guess rec centers, [maybe], occasionally, [or?]279.7483
214ROC_se0_ag1_f_01278.2139[<ts>]278.3037
216 279.4434[No, I was] really family oriented. My mom, um,283.5912 
217ROC_int_01280.1029[No, okay.]280.7427
218ROC_se0_ag1_f_01284.5230didn't, <exhale> like286.0202
220 286.2249me being outside of287.6535 
222 287.7859the family so if anybody watched me, it was family.290.9825 
224 291.3107So I was always at my uncle's house or my aunt's house or my grandmother for a very long time took care of me.296.8218 
226 297.2883Um,297.7909 
228 297.9928my other- both- I know both of my maternal- or my maternal and my paternal grandmothers took care of me,303.9594 
230 304.3633until my mother's mom moved306.4316 
232 306.6725to Alabama, and then my father's mom watched me.309.2634 
234 309.7265And as I got older, you know, I got bored at my grandma's house, so I started going to my aunt's house, so314.3109 
235ROC_int_01314.6886Yeah.314.9844
236ROC_se0_ag1_f_01315.0175yeah.315.4619
237ROC_int_01315.5325Okay,316.1090
239 316.3184so would you say that, um, you grew up then as a westsider?320.9405 
240ROC_se0_ag1_f_01321.0244<ts>321.0744
242 321.2079Definitely [yeah I had a no business] on the east side. I didn't even know324.6501 
243ROC_int_01321.9686[Yeah. <laugh>]322.9897
244ROC_se0_ag1_f_01325.2162the east side existed. Um, my mom was good about taking me to- she always took me out, you know, whether it was like a weekend at Corning Museum or, you know, doing different things, she took me out, but336.0277
246 336.6968I didn't have no business on the east side. I didn't know what it was until I got older, so340.4764 
247ROC_int_01340.5405Yeah, [well, for someone who's] not from here, how would you characterize west side from east side?346.1355
248ROC_se0_ag1_f_01340.9633[definitely a west sider.]342.2236
249 346.7922Um, <laugh>347.7667
251 348.0629so, the- the west side,349.8276 
253 350.1214I'd say-350.8982 
255 351.6442not even- I don't know, I feel like, um, there's m-355.1259 
257 355.2652more family oriented, people- working class people,358.7324 
259 359.0688um,359.6516 
261 359.8194families, working class people.361.5309 
263 361.9086Whereas the east side is kind of-363.4986 
265 363.8807it's bigger, so you have more opportunity for subsidized housing and people that get, um,369.4510 
267 369.7483<ts>369.9019 
269 371.0670you know, government assistance. Not saying that that doesn't exist on this side, but I just find that there's a higher percentage of homeowners per se378.4152 
271 378.8919on the west side, but it's smaller, so380.9325 
273 381.1054I don't know percentage-wise if you could actually-383.7171 
275 383.8812how it would stack up, but.385.1984 
277 385.7603The east side is kind of like the wild wild west. [<laugh>]389.2643 
278ROC_int_01388.3330[Yeah. <laugh>]389.7137
279ROC_se0_ag1_f_01389.5454[Yeah], yeah on the west side, you know,391.0707
280 391.7249with the exception of maybe like Jefferson, you know, there's a few areas that are kind of like, woo I wouldn't go over there, but397.5533
282 398.0307it's more of a398.8805 
284 399.3544friendly neighborhood I'd say.401.2030 
286 401.5630My opinion. [<laugh>]403.6330 
287ROC_int_01403.0049[Cool, cool], no, [yeah.]404.5933
288ROC_se0_ag1_f_01404.2198[<laugh>]404.6515
289ROC_int_01404.9002That's good, I want your opinion, [so.]406.5978
290ROC_se0_ag1_f_01406.2107[<laugh>]406.9987
291ROC_int_01407.1101That's good, okay, what schools did you go to?409.8625
292ROC_se0_ag1_f_01409.9679<ts>410.0526
294 410.5463Oh gosh, I cannot412.0721 
296 412.1908think of the-413.3147 
298 413.4266I went to kindergarten at414.9943 
300 415.7241either- I think it was /RD-SCHOOL-4/, I can't remember.418.8536 
302 419.2816But from /RD-SCHOOL-4/ I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, school number /RD-SCHOOL-2/.423.2288 
304 423.6361And from there, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and that's where I graduated from. So I didn't do too much jumping around. [I was- pretty much] in the same place, stability. <laugh>433.3893 
305ROC_int_01429.8903[Ah, okay.]430.9286
306 433.5124That's good, [did you start] /RD-SCHOOL-2/ in high school or middle school?436.4458
307ROC_se0_ag1_f_01434.2165[Mm-hm.]434.6829
309 435.9119<ts>435.9787 
311 436.3957Middle school, I started in middle school, so.438.7884 
312 438.9465I started and never left. I fell in love.441.3859
314 441.4763My, um-442.3159 
316 442.7755actually, for high school, my options were either go to Nazareth446.0274 
318 446.5217or,447.0533 
320 447.4804Wilson,448.2257 
322 448.4055and my mom was like you're not going to Wilson. <laugh>451.0429 
324 451.1875I didn't really want to go to Wilson [because]453.1091 
325ROC_int_01452.7760[Mm.]453.0878
326ROC_se0_ag1_f_01453.4894a lot of the kids I went to elementary from-455.6655
328 456.0761I was overweight growing up,457.2482 
330 457.6131so a lot of the kids were going to Wilson, and I didn't want to go because they used to tease me all the time, so I didn't want to go to Wilson.463.9007 
332 464.5465And I didn't want to go to a all girls school, cause I was like, great I'm never gonna have a boyfriend. <laugh>469.5772 
334ROC_int_01469.6434[<laugh>]470.2470 
335ROC_se0_ag1_f_01469.8277[So I] didn't want to go to Nazareth.471.4145
336 471.8595Um, s- in /RD-SCHOOL-4/ c- I've always been a active kid, dancing, um, cheerleading. I was always in something, so /RD-SCHOOL-4/ made the most sense honestly, so.480.5266
337ROC_int_01480.8579Yeah,481.3706
338ROC_se0_ag1_f_01481.4970[Yeah.]481.8766
339ROC_int_01481.5394[okay.]482.1288
340 482.4296And, um,483.4648
342 483.8728did you start off in dance in middle school too, [or?]486.6459 
343ROC_se0_ag1_f_01486.3866[Mm-hm.]487.1926
344ROC_int_01487.0858[Okay.]487.4200
345ROC_se0_ag1_f_01487.4617Um, I always dabbled in everything though.489.4530
347 489.8984Cause sixth grade when we started, they had like an explore arts program, so you kind of did everything.495.7950 
349 496.0124You went through vocal, drama, music, creative writing.499.3143 
351 499.7106Um, but dance was just my501.1077 
353 501.2196thing, it was my go-to, so,503.3981 
355 504.3764that's what I stuck with.505.5463 
357 505.6998Although I (breathy) probably should have switched or tried double major with drama, probably would have510.0196 
359 510.5060done well with that. [<laugh>]512.2467 
360ROC_int_01511.5469[Yeah]512.2844
361 512.3495Okay, [we- we] got to [/inaudible/.]514.5953
362ROC_se0_ag1_f_01512.6484[Yeah]513.1356
364 513.3156[Right, /unintelligible/] <laugh>515.2025 
365ROC_int_01515.2485Yeah,515.6894
366ROC_se0_ag1_f_01515.6872[<laugh>]516.1460
367ROC_int_01515.9009[actually] it's so funny cause my niece is going to her, uh,519.3695
368 520.1027uh, orientation for [the middle school program today, so.]523.5185
369ROC_se0_ag1_f_01521.6072[Really],522.7290
371 522.9484[aw.]524.2495 
372ROC_int_01523.8967[Yeah] I think they have like the same kind of structure [where like you-]527.3146
373ROC_se0_ag1_f_01526.5073[Oh okay they do] explore arts though, okay [so it's] not just like you got to go pick what you want, [/?/]532.0420
374ROC_int_01528.8586[Mm-hm.]529.1939
376 531.7141[Right] exactly, [so-]533.4904 
377ROC_se0_ag1_f_01533.1831[Cause we] were the last534.4932
378 534.6639sixth grade class,535.8893
380 536.0166so,536.6730 
382 536.9631the class of O eight, anybody that was there from middle school, was the last sixth grade class at542.0758 
384 542.3099/RD-SCHOOL-4/, so.543.1379 
385ROC_int_01543.1144Yeah, [cause] they switch around so much, [seven through twelve], six to [twelfth, yup.]547.4001
386ROC_se0_ag1_f_01543.5776[Mm.]543.7478
388 545.0512[Yeah],545.8231 
390 547.0520[yeah]547.9533 
391ROC_int_01548.2130[yeah.]548.6067
392ROC_se0_ag1_f_01548.2464[mm.]548.5111
393 548.8442<ts>548.9009
394ROC_int_01549.5067Okay, and how would you characterize your time at /RD-SCHOOL-2/?552.9857
395ROC_se0_ag1_f_01553.7316Um, it was honestly the best-555.9208
397 556.0211one of the best times of my life.558.1930 
399 558.5958Um, I really-559.9400 
401 560.5716I'm really thankful that I went to that school for so many different reasons. Um, it-565.1926 
403 565.5241you know, I was always open minded anyway as an individual, but568.6919 
405 569.0981going there, it allowed me to explore and571.7219 
407 572.0611kind of figure out who I was at a young age.574.1894 
409 574.5951Um, it was a outlet, and I got to experience so many things that578.6966 
411 578.8412I would have never, in- even in my adulthood, I would have never- you know, I would have never got to dance with /RD-NAME-3/584.3398 
412ROC_int_01584.6522[Hm.]584.8394
413ROC_se0_ag1_f_01584.6739[if I] didn't go to /RD-SCHOOL-4/, you know, so.586.4714
414 586.9540So many cool experiences, so many different people from different walks of life and,592.0533
416 592.4403um,592.9492 
418 593.0984just kind of594.0356 
420 594.4762the foundation of you never know what you're gonna get from somebody, so before you kind of judge you should599.4503 
422 599.9467give somebody a chance to open up and see what they can offer.602.8408 
424 603.2284I love that school.604.0510 
425ROC_int_01604.4718Yeah.604.8783
426ROC_se0_ag1_f_01604.9823[<laugh>]606.0460
427ROC_int_01605.8333[Me] too. I th- I think that it's, um,608.4267
428 608.7151of the city [schools, you know, one of the best.]611.3877
429ROC_se0_ag1_f_01609.7957[Yeah],610.7459
431 611.3511[yeah.]611.7529 
432ROC_int_01611.8550[Yeah.]612.1717
433ROC_se0_ag1_f_01611.8947[I mean], that's as far as the arts goes. As far as the education portion,616.3035
434 616.7724I'm a bit disappointed because, um, I'm a first generation620.8664
436 621.1926college student, [so],622.5974 
437ROC_int_01622.1483[Mm.]622.4934
438ROC_se0_ag1_f_01623.3917um, you know, my parents'624.9328
440 625.4623goal back then was627.0649 
442 627.1764work, get out. You know, companies were around so my dad630.1973 
444 630.5424got out of school and worked at Kodak, and he retired from there, so he was there for thirty-five plus years.635.1336 
446 635.5212My mom's been with the state for637.3744 
448 637.8669twenty-six years almost.639.6775 
450 639.9234So, you know,640.6029 
452 640.7329they got jobs and worked.642.0040 
454 642.0807Um,642.5566 
456 643.1645<ts> in school, n-644.3700 
458 644.6292all I knew was645.4666 
460 645.5469I'm going to college. I didn't know how I got there,648.3974 
462 648.5369how you pay for it, what to do.650.3026 
464 650.8144So when I kind of got there,652.4832 
466 653.2357I was stuck because my parents didn't really know656.1620 
468 656.3227what to do, other than tell me, you're going to college.659.1127 
470 659.9117So,660.3182 
472 660.7579I don't think /RD-SCHOOL-4/ really prepared me663.6417 
474 663.8355for664.4075 
476 664.5691school.665.0944 
478 665.3300They just wanted me to graduate.666.7768 
480 668.0390[And they pushed] me along and I feel like, um-670.7649 
481ROC_int_01668.2140[Mm.]668.6107
482ROC_se0_ag1_f_01671.1241I was just have- actually I was just having this conversation with /RD-NAME-2/674.0276
484 674.4295about how, you know,675.6775 
486 676.3536they didn't prepare me. They- I don't feel like they678.8714 
488 678.9565prepared me for college. They just said, okay, get good grades, apply to school you want,683.5335 
490 683.7037go there,684.4553 
492 684.7484you'll be fine. That's not-685.8074 
494 686.0674that is not nearly-687.2540 
496 687.6275Nobody told me, don't apply to a nursing program right out of high [school.]691.6845 
497ROC_int_01691.5251[Mm.]692.0026
498ROC_se0_ag1_f_01692.0816And the first person that did was a black man,694.3711
500 694.8107and I took so much offense to it because I thought he was insulting my intelligence,699.2649 
502 699.6336not realizing, you know,700.9526 
504 701.3978<ts> you've never taken A and P, how are you gonna get into a nursing program, you know.705.4256 
506 705.5450I didn't know that so,706.6736 
508 707.1525looking back,708.0885 
510 708.4715I wish I woulda listened to that man. <laugh>710.5997 
511ROC_int_01710.7084[Mm-hm.]711.1622
512ROC_se0_ag1_f_01710.9276[/Cause it/] broke my heart when I applied and didn't get in.713.2896
513 713.7576But, um,714.3580
515 714.6945yeah, no.715.5029 
517 715.7960Miss-716.1553 
519 716.2829what was her name, um, the counselor.718.6693 
521 719.3747[I can't-]719.9751 
522ROC_int_01719.4125[Uh], /RD-NAME-2/?720.6322
523ROC_se0_ag1_f_01720.9829Miss /RD-NAME-1/, tha- I feel like, was that-722.9779
525 723.5972Yeah, she was retiring? She was getting ready to [retire?]726.5420 
526ROC_int_01725.9704[Oh], maybe not.727.2968
527 727.5048[Maybe not cause I think] she's729.2446
528ROC_se0_ag1_f_01727.6278[No.]728.3842
529ROC_int_01729.3722[still there, yeah.]730.7790
530ROC_se0_ag1_f_01729.5140[still there. No, it's-] it was-731.3936
531 731.7009my counselor was getting ready- she was supposed to retire the year that we graduated, but she stayed.736.3867
533 736.6561Or either the year before, and then she stayed for our year.739.3366 
535 740.1033She didn't really check in with me. It was just kind of like the beginning of the year, you know, you met with her,744.2446 
537 744.7031and then I didn't really see her again until the end when it was already, you know,748.2413 
539 748.3500too late.748.9634 
540ROC_int_01749.1525Mm-hm.749.8616
541ROC_se0_ag1_f_01749.8805Um,750.3769
543 750.6520but, you know, I wasn't a horrible student or anything, but I just-753.4884 
545 754.3867I just was very disappointed in retrospect, looking back.757.5913 
547 757.7015Then I had no idea.759.0393 
549 759.1581I wish759.7047 
551 759.7780they would've760.3299 
553 760.4481prepared me a lot more761.6633 
555 761.9083for [school], so.762.8775 
556ROC_int_01762.1731[Yeah.]762.5087
557 762.9295No, I think I can totally relate. [I mean going] to the /RD-SCHOOL-3/, I don't feel like I had the education768.3244
558ROC_se0_ag1_f_01764.7732[Mm-hm.]765.2743
559ROC_int_01768.7593to keep up with those other kids. Everybody had AP everything.772.3002
560ROC_se0_ag1_f_01772.3096Yeah.773.0046
561ROC_int_01773.1728[Everything, you know, I] took like, one or two [APs.]776.2565
562ROC_se0_ag1_f_01773.5652[Yeah.]774.1080
564 775.4387[Yeah],775.8878 
566 776.0343[cause] they didn't tell you.777.1595 
567 777.2635<laugh>777.4715
568ROC_int_01777.5499Yeah, they didn't tell me, and on top of that, I'm just like, well if I don't think I can get a A in it, I don't wanna take it, [which is] not a great [mindset to have, right?] Like, just, whatever I can get a A in, whatever's easy.787.8358
569ROC_se0_ag1_f_01782.4806[Yup.]782.8422
571 784.1224[Mm-mm.]784.9227 
572 787.9684Right.788.3238
573ROC_int_01788.3285But yeah, so I definitely felt that way when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.791.6756
574ROC_se0_ag1_f_01791.8080And not that we weren't capable.793.5504
576 793.7017This is another thing that makes me mad. We live in a college town, like,797.2103 
578 797.6122I don't understand why799.3944 
580 799.9145colleges don't,800.8694 
582 801.2807you know, kind of advertise almost to- You know, if you go down south805.5410 
584 805.8436everybody's goal from807.3516 
586 807.9690middle school, maybe even,809.5621 
588 810.0613um, elementary, it's to either, you know, play a sport, or they're gonna go to that- they're- they're gonna go to that university.816.7440 
590 817.3074That's not the mindset here, like, I don't feel like that's the culture,820.3046 
592 820.6450at least for the city schools, you know, maybe suburbs, little different, but I don't feel like they advertise, or826.6450 
594 827.1650they827.4581 
596 827.6709input themselves into the schools as much as they should.830.6803 
597ROC_int_01830.9545Mm.831.1679
598ROC_se0_ag1_f_01831.1436Whereas, you know,832.1061
599 832.4039people- I meet people from833.6850
601 833.8221all different places and they're like, yeah I know the U of R, I know, I've heard about it, and837.7960 
603 838.6261you're a little more excited than me, and I live there, you know. [<laugh>]841.9400 
604ROC_int_01841.7301[Mm-hm, yeah.]842.6425
605ROC_se0_ag1_f_01842.2548[You hear] great things about it, you not from here.844.5098
606 845.0827I don't know, I've always wondered about that too. I just feel like848.0894
608 848.5716they don't really849.3658 
610 849.8905advertise to851.0922 
612 851.5224the city schools and853.1155 
614 854.3352kind of help bring them up so that you're ready for their857.0535 
616 857.5413curriculum when you get there, so.859.2573 
617ROC_int_01859.5221Yeah, yeah.860.7112
619 860.9008No, I completely agree. I mean, I ended up making it,863.5444 
621 863.6791but863.9687 
622ROC_se0_ag1_f_01864.1795Right. And [not that you] weren't capable, [you know], but had you had mindset of this is what I need in ninth grade870.7326
623ROC_int_01864.8697[it was-]865.4323
625 866.2927[Mm-hm.]866.7465 
626ROC_se0_ag1_f_01870.9926to get here,872.0279
628 872.4061your perspective probably would've been totally different, you know, you woulda been AP-ed out from ninth grade all the [way up until], you know,878.6945 
629ROC_int_01877.3944[Mm-hm.]878.0090
630 878.8789[Yeah],879.3611
631ROC_se0_ag1_f_01879.2145[so.]879.6617
632ROC_int_01879.4793[but] I do feel like having the major881.6472
633 881.9923definitely prepared me in a different kind of way.884.2454
634ROC_se0_ag1_f_01884.2596Yes.885.0301
636 885.3233[Yes.]885.9473 
637ROC_int_01885.4320[You know, like-]886.4258
638ROC_se0_ag1_f_01886.2357[That] critical thinking, you know, we were able to figure it out, even if you didn't know, you gonna figure out a way to make it happen,892.4673
639 892.8794/so./893.1016
640ROC_int_01893.6169[Yeah, and like] time management and knowing you had stuff that was just kind of like898.3389
641ROC_se0_ag1_f_01893.7020[I think I agree.]894.7751
642ROC_int_01898.4358requirements, but things that you had to satisfy for901.5280
643ROC_se0_ag1_f_01901.5280Mm-hm.902.4250
644ROC_int_01902.5082your discipline.903.5246
645ROC_se0_ag1_f_01903.6022Yes.904.2735
647 904.5280Yup.904.8061 
648ROC_int_01904.8447Yeah, I like that part of it I guess.906.7844
649ROC_se0_ag1_f_01906.8411Yeah.907.1886
651 907.4098[<laugh>]908.7973 
652ROC_int_01907.6982[<laugh>]908.7477
653ROC_se0_ag1_f_01909.1145[Yeah.]909.6085
654ROC_int_01909.2090[So], where did you, um, apply to school when y-911.7619
655 911.8611first out of like, /RD-SCHOOL-2/?913.0682
656ROC_se0_ag1_f_01913.3803So I applied- I only applied to Brockport, again not even917.8647
658 918.7156realizing there was so much more out there than just922.1770 
660 922.3377New York State, you know.923.6567 
662 923.9214Looking back, I wish I would've applied to a down south school. I wish I would've gone-928.1755 
664 928.5552You know, I should've been on the drum line, dancing, doing something, but I didn't even know that-932.5082 
666 933.1369you know, you see it in the movies, but I didn't know that this culture actually existed and, um,938.5082 
668 939.1038<ts> again, my parents didn't really941.0279 
670 942.4556speak anything other th-943.7840 
672 944.3116speak anything into me other than, you're going to college.946.8739 
674 947.0638So, you know, the culture, and what to expect and949.8341 
676 950.1414they didn't know cause they didn't go, and I was first generation college, so953.6311 
678 954.0566literally like, the first person in my family to actually fill out a application.958.3869 
680 958.6545I had a older cousin who960.0065 
682 960.4820g- um, was brilliant. She had all962.5806 
684 962.6999straight As and even got scholarships but she ended up getting pregnant.966.3280 
686 966.7184So she didn't go. And, you know, she was kind of like my role model, so969.8102 
688 970.2916when she just kind of971.4184 
690 971.5744got out of school and worked, I was like, okay well,973.5930 
692 973.8863what's life, you know, you just975.1763 
694 975.2650go to college.975.9593 
696 976.3423So I applied to Brockport,977.6392 
698 978.2854<ts>978.3861 
700 978.5043didn't get in because I applied right to the nursing program.981.8513 
702 982.3694And my father goes, well, I'm not paying for you to take liberal arts there. We don't have any money, so987.8210 
704 988.1661you're going to MCC.989.2440 
706 989.4804I'm like I don't wanna go to MCC. That's thirteenth grade. That's all I've heard all my life.994.0810 
708 994.7287So I ended up, um, kind of last minute just998.2042 
710 998.5021picking /RD-SCHOOL-3/,1000.0196 
712 1000.4072which was a horrible mistake. <laugh>1002.5866 
713ROC_int_011002.7813Aw, [really?]1003.6606
714ROC_se0_ag1_f_011003.3864[Yeah], it was horrible. I- because I wasn't stimulated. I was bored, you know, I literally-1008.6650
715 1008.9203I was almost depressed even because I literally was just going to school and just1013.1097
717 1014.2329working and going to school wor- I was working three jobs just to keep up with1017.9061 
719 1018.6417school books and tuition cause I didn't get any financial [aid.]1022.1731 
720ROC_int_011022.0218[<sigh>]1022.5466
721ROC_se0_ag1_f_011022.5655I didn't qualify for EOP.1024.4715
723 1024.7260I- I like didn't have any help, and I had to take out loans in my name, so it was just like,1029.6339 
725 1030.1075I'm working, I wasn't ready for all this responsibility, and now I'm adjusting to school, you know, nobody's really1035.9912 
727 1036.3789explaining how this works, a Q, a W, or whatever. You know what I'm saying, nothing- nobody explained anything to me, so.1042.3789 
729 1042.9273Um,1043.3527 
731 1044.0221I went there for two years, and I,1046.1447 
733 1047.0741um, ended up being waitlisted for the nursing program,1050.1483 
735 1050.3718and after1051.9603 
737 1052.8783I went back for a semester and I was like, I'm not happy.1055.4122 
739 1055.7290So I went and got my LPN.1057.2465 
741 1058.0360Ended up doing that, which I wish I would've1060.3486 
743 1060.5093done first actually, if I would've known about vocational [school.]1064.3371 
744ROC_int_011063.8658[Mm.]1064.3244
745ROC_se0_ag1_f_011064.8255Had I had known that option was available,1066.8667
747 1067.2211I actually would've just done that.1069.0913 
749 1069.3198Um,1069.8276 
751 1070.5106I'm the type of person who needs experience to learn. So,1073.4076 
753 1073.7200you can spew1074.7365 
755 1075.0163everything from a book to me, but if I can't apply it to anything, like, and make it tangible, it- it just doesn't1081.3427 
757 1081.5572stick to me. So,1082.6436 
759 1083.0726going to LPN school and getting my LPN in ten months and being able to actually work in the field,1088.0002 
761 1088.4851made so much sense.1089.6656 
763 1090.0425Except now, I'm in this point where I was like, okay I'm'a go back to school, I'm'a go back to school and here we are seven years later, I'm just now signing back up to go to school, so.1098.5174 
765 1098.9137I'm actually gonna be, um, starting /RD-SCHOOL-3/ in two weeks to finish out my RN.1103.7107 
767 1104.4801[Yay, <laugh>]1105.9442 
768ROC_int_011104.7677[Yay, congrats.]1106.7136
769ROC_se0_ag1_f_011106.5706[but] I'm mad at myself, because I let my sciences expire. So, I have to retake my sciences, and-1112.3406
770 1112.8395but the journey was worth the experience that I've gained.1115.9671
772 1116.1863Going through the process, so.1117.7179 
774 1118.0299<ts>1118.1386 
775ROC_int_011118.1269Yeah.1118.4664
776ROC_se0_ag1_f_011118.6483No worries. If I passed it before, I know I can pass it again, so,1121.6174
778 1122.0231yeah. [<laugh>]1123.4406 
779ROC_int_011123.1795[Yeah.]1123.5029
780ROC_se0_ag1_f_011123.9302But [yeah],1124.7555
781ROC_int_011124.2380[Now],1124.7602
782 1125.1245after you get your RN, cause we know that's gonna [happen-]1128.1070
783ROC_se0_ag1_f_011127.8478[yes], speak it. [<laugh>]1130.0235
784ROC_int_011129.1884[Yes we're gonna] claim that. <laugh>1130.9328
785ROC_se0_ag1_f_011130.9887Yes, [yes.]1131.9912
786ROC_int_011131.5482[Do you] think you'll stay in Rochester?1134.0464
787ROC_se0_ag1_f_011134.2702Um,1134.7225
789 1134.9650so, after I get my RN, I actually wanna get my master's. My goal was always to become a nurse practitioner, um, and specialize in obstetrics.1142.8628 
791 1143.4503Now I've been coming across this question c- um,1146.9650 
793 1147.2971especially since we're older now,1149.0633 
795 1149.3850I feel like,1150.0845 
797 1150.4843ah, you're too old to be on campus again, you're a old hag, you can't be on campus cause you're so old.1156.8807 
799 1157.4589Um, but then I think about it.1159.2821 
801 1160.0201<ts>1160.1002 
803 1160.2603And, um, you know /RD-NAME-2/ you know who [/RD-NAME-2/ [is, yeah.]1163.0206 
804ROC_int_011162.5118[Yeah.]1163.0112
805ROC_se0_ag1_f_011163.3936And so, w- /RD-NAME-2/ went to Nazareth, and I kind of hung out there a lot, you know.1167.1519
807 1167.3244That was my college experience basically at Nazareth,1170.3542 
809 1170.6479through her.1171.1748 
811 1171.6225Um,1172.0375 
813 1172.2706and I just remember meeting so many people. I don't know if you know /RD-NAME-4/?1176.9891 
814ROC_int_011177.4173That name sounds [extremely familiar, /inaudible/]1180.7734
815ROC_se0_ag1_f_011178.7141[You probably do know her, yeah] she's- um, she's really,1182.8065
816 1183.2588um, active in the community with different things. Um,1186.0005
818 1186.2559I'm pretty sure, cause she- I don't think she knows /RD-NAME-2/ I'm pretty sure you- you [probably know exactly] who she is, but1191.3804 
819ROC_int_011189.8266[/Probably/.]1190.3592
820ROC_se0_ag1_f_011191.7751she was older. Uh- while we were in school and I remember meeting her1195.4826
822 1195.8743and thinking, wow like, if she could do it, you know, why can't I? You know, it's a school, do what you wanna do.1202.5131 
824 1203.0110So, lately I've been going back and forth with, um,1205.9485 
826 1206.5966do I wanna stay in state1208.0841 
828 1208.4245for my master's, or would I like to1210.6708 
830 1211.2117experience life1212.9370 
832 1213.2260outside of Rochester?1214.7929 
834 1215.7336I don't know financially where I'll be,1217.9578 
836 1218.2096um, and then I've recently just gotten into a relationship. So,1221.5716 
838 1222.1264all of that kind of plays a factor. Um,1225.2774 
840 1225.7157now that I'm older, you know, I'm not getting any younger. <laugh>1229.3003 
842 1229.6454/I like [this-/]1230.1641 
843ROC_int_011229.8619[You have] time.1230.7831
844ROC_se0_ag1_f_011230.8811[I do. I have] plenty of time and I'm not rushing anything, but, you know,1235.0905
845ROC_int_011231.0458[<laugh>]1231.8836
846ROC_se0_ag1_f_011235.3050we'll see. I don't know where my heart is gonna be. I- I'm one of 'em people that follow my heart,1239.5249
847ROC_int_011239.7487Mm.1240.2215
848ROC_se0_ag1_f_011240.2384which is the- not always a good thing.1241.7296
850 1241.9801But I follow my heart, and it- it hasn't led me too1244.8402 
852 1245.0010far from where I need to be, but1246.7557 
854 1247.3466we'll see.1247.9518 
856 1248.2449We'll- we'll see. I'm not sure. That's- that's a open ended question. [<laugh>]1252.4173 
857ROC_int_011251.9256[Yeah.]1252.2944
858ROC_se0_ag1_f_011252.6962[I don't know], so we'll see.1254.2279
859ROC_int_011252.7860[Yeah.]1253.2257
860ROC_se0_ag1_f_011254.5313I've entertained it.1255.6517
862 1255.9684I definitely wanted to do, um, traveling nursing for sure,1259.3864 
864 1259.9112um, once I get my RN though.1261.9637 
866 1262.1434I wanna1262.6929 
868 1262.8560experience the world. I love to travel, so1265.3864 
870 1266.0038that's what,1266.5959 
872 1266.7684um, has been my kind of1268.5688 
874 1268.7248goal for the next maybe three, four years, so.1271.6322 
875ROC_int_011271.8261Mm-hm,1272.4123
877 1272.6637and do you travel a lot now, or?1274.8194 
878ROC_se0_ag1_f_011274.8667Yes, too much, <laugh>1277.0082
879ROC_int_011277.1642So [where have you] been?1278.6136
880ROC_se0_ag1_f_011277.6067[T-]1278.0179
881 1278.6325too much. That would be the reason why I haven't1280.8828
883 1281.1295gone back to school in the last-1282.7888 
885 1283.2615we'll add it up, seven years. Um,1285.4173 
887 1285.5402I've been to Jamaica twice.1287.9431 
889 1288.3166Um, in1289.1439 
891 1289.3386high school I had the chance to go to China, which really kind of like-1292.9078 
893 1293.3380that's where my travel bug1294.7799 
895 1294.8895came from.1295.5419 
896ROC_int_011295.6114Mm-hm.1296.2449
897ROC_se0_ag1_f_011296.2939Um,1296.8086
899 1297.1868I've been to Canada a bunch of times. Um, <ts> I been to DR,1302.0285 
901 1302.6100Dominican Republic, I should say.1304.4017 
903 1304.9954Um, where else have I been?1306.9810 
905 1308.8681And, you know, traveling in the states. I've been to different states, mm.1312.6259 
907 1313.5908Sh- you want me to name 'em all, [or?]1314.9929 
908ROC_int_011314.7140[Oh], no, you don't [/inaudible/]1316.7468
909ROC_se0_ag1_f_011315.3569[<laugh> Yeah, I'm like, I'm like], I've been to a ton of- I've never been out west. That's probably the only place I haven't been.1320.2290
910 1320.5844Like, southwest and out west, but,1322.3525
912 1323.0994um,1323.4776 
914 1323.5958I do love to travel, whether it's for pleasure or like historic r- you know, sites, visiting different things. I love-1330.0847 
916 1330.5157/I'm/ very nostalgic, so1331.6267 
917ROC_int_011331.7827[Mm-hm.]1332.3952
918ROC_se0_ag1_f_011331.9103[love to] travel.1332.7991
919 1332.9457<laugh>1333.3694
920ROC_int_011333.3522So is there anywhere you've been where you feel like,1336.0621
921 1336.2098you know, this feels like an- it could be another home for me.1339.2482
922ROC_se0_ag1_f_011339.3144No, and that's the problem. That's why I haven't, um,1342.8959
924 1343.2079really1343.7752 
926 1344.0399kind of made the decision to move.1345.9668 
928 1346.1634Um, Charlotte was the only place that I came this close to feeling like that.1350.4607 
930 1350.9484I don't know if I didn't have enough time to experience it maybe,1354.1064 
932 1354.8025but, um, Charlotte was cool.1356.6856 
934 1356.9693I really did enjoy Charlotte, so.1358.8130 
936 1359.2838That's probably the only place.1360.2671 
938 1360.6642Um,1361.0424 
940 1361.4045I love Miami, but I don't think I could actually see myself living there. It's too-1365.2399 
942 1365.8923I don't think I could ever live in like a metropolitan area,1368.7863 
943ROC_int_011368.8052Yeah.1369.3016
944ROC_se0_ag1_f_011369.3394too-1369.6479
945ROC_int_011369.6597Yeah.1370.0095
946ROC_se0_ag1_f_011370.0249too [crazy.]1370.8049
947ROC_int_011370.3237[/Let's turn] this up some more./1371.5683
948ROC_se0_ag1_f_011371.8208/I think/ [it's too] too crazy,1373.2674
949ROC_int_011372.2510[Yeah.]1372.6339
950ROC_se0_ag1_f_011373.3998[<laugh>]1374.1449
951ROC_int_011374.0515[Yeah.]1374.5533
952ROC_se0_ag1_f_011375.0213so.1375.4373
954 1375.7824But Charlotte was cool.1377.0061 
956 1377.1408It was cool, yeah.1378.1462 
957ROC_int_011378.6926Yeah, [okay.]1379.8083
958ROC_se0_ag1_f_011379.3072[Mm-hm.]1379.7904
959ROC_int_011380.2034Well, um,1381.1868
961 1381.6230how long is your RN program?1383.5127 
962ROC_se0_ag1_f_011384.0828So I'm gonna be doing the LPN to RN program, which is only ten mo- eighteen months,1390.7432
964 1391.2215save the exception of some classes I don't have to take, so it might be a little shorter for me.1396.0672 
966 1396.3772But because recently, as in literally this semester, my sciences expire.1401.4087 
968 1401.6884So now I have to retake those.1403.4660 
970 1403.8772It'll probably be a year in total once I finish out my pre-reqs.1407.7018 
972 1407.8066But I'm'a try to see, cause technically1410.1089 
974 1410.5958my1411.3333 
976 1411.6075second half of my sciences won't e- expire until next fall.1415.4423 
978 1416.2365So I'm gonna try if they'll let me slide through and apply to the program,1420.1367 
980 1420.5993to get in for1421.4955 
982 1421.7413next /fall/ without it1423.1678 
984 1423.9952expiring,1424.9076 
986 1425.1609[maybe. We'll] see.1425.9929 
987ROC_int_011425.2129[Mm-hm.]1425.6984
988ROC_se0_ag1_f_011426.1348If that's the case, it'll only take a year.1427.9172
990 1428.0520I'll be done1428.6261 
992 1428.9092by next year,1429.5333 
994 1430.3511next-1430.8002 
996 1431.5235that's two thousand1432.7243 
998 1433.8692nineteen,1434.6019 
1000 1434.9849spring of two thousand nineteen, yeah,1436.8239 
1001ROC_int_011437.0697Okay.1437.4457
1002ROC_se0_ag1_f_011437.8166so.1438.1076
1003ROC_int_011438.0921Cool.1438.5378
1004ROC_se0_ag1_f_011438.6250Yeah1438.9410
1005ROC_int_011438.9410Awesome.1439.5296
1007 1439.9609Well, um,1440.9206 
1009 1441.1428/inaudible/ okay,1442.3422 
1011 1442.4870cool.1442.6407 
1012ROC_se0_ag1_f_011442.6537[<laugh>]1443.5566
1013ROC_int_011443.0992[Um],1443.5460
1014 1443.7532<ts>1443.8419
1016 1444.1692what-1444.9162 
1018 1445.3428I wanna turn to some questions actually, um, more about [Rochester in general.]1449.2616 
1019ROC_se0_ag1_f_011448.2026[Hello.]1449.2616
1020ROC_int_011449.6918<laugh>1450.2118
1022 1450.6373Um,1451.2707 
1024 1451.5213what are your favorite things to do here?1454.8286 
1025ROC_se0_ag1_f_011456.3886[/?/]1457.0166
1026ROC_int_011456.9134[Or] about here, about Rochester in general, I can-1459.8817
1027ROC_se0_ag1_f_011460.6334It's so bad that the food was the first thing that came to my mind. (laughing)1464.1479
1029 1464.2826<laugh>1464.7222 
1031 1465.1915Um, the food, seriously,1467.0305 
1033 1467.3717cause when you go somewhere else, there's- I don't-1470.1893 
1035 1470.4351unless it's like New York. Honestly, New York is probably the only place I could think of that satisfies my food cravings like here.1477.2246 
1037 1477.7541There's just so many different1479.5032 
1039 1480.1990things to enjoy here, whether it's like Caribbean food, or,1483.9384 
1041 1484.4584um,1485.0825 
1043 1485.8767<ts>1485.9586 
1045 1486.1517garbage plates I love. You know garbage plates are like staples here. Um,1490.6712 
1047 1491.8586I don't know. I just- even- you- you can actually get good seafood here too, which is t- depending on where you are, it's hard to get good seafood, so.1498.9648 
1049 1499.5936There's just-1500.3547 
1051 1501.2293food is- I don't know. I love food, and food is good here.1504.5744 
1053 1505.0046Um, other than that,1507.4562 
1055 1508.8962<exhale> I'm kind of, drawing short [<laugh>]1512.0163 
1056ROC_int_011511.6665[Yeah], okay.1512.6289
1057ROC_se0_ag1_f_011512.6526of ideas.1513.7068
1059 1514.0188There's-1514.3970 
1061 1514.6948um,1515.2621 
1063 1516.3369I mean, we do have unique things here that, you know-1519.2435 
1065 1520.1606Obviously Rochester is a very historic place.1522.6386 
1067 1522.8608A lot of people don't realize how many1524.7034 
1069 1524.8145treasures are in our back yard.1526.7563 
1071 1527.3169Um, and I'm the history buff so uh, like this-1529.6995 
1073 1529.9813you know, things like the Susan B. Anthony house excite me. I- I'm excited to go see things like that. Um,1535.6523 
1075 1536.4256<ts> I don't think I'm going to that graveyard, the, um, Mount Hope Cemetery. [I'm- I don't] think I'm'a do [that, but]1541.4821 
1076ROC_int_011539.6478[Mm-hm.]1540.1855
1078 1540.8959[<laugh>]1541.5766 
1079ROC_se0_ag1_f_011542.1250just to know that we have, um, those things here. And even working in healthcare,1546.1537
1081 1546.4988um, learning about the nursing history and how,1549.4070 
1083 1549.8561um, it's evolved here,1552.0343 
1085 1552.1714and1552.7304 
1087 1553.3856how the hospitals were started, you know,1555.4704 
1089 1556.0885<sigh> eighteen fifty-seven I wanna go back as far as.1560.1156 
1091 1560.7310I can't1561.3975 
1093 1561.5394[remember] exactly, but, you know, to know that1564.0875 
1094ROC_int_011561.7298[/Mm-hm/.]1562.1168
1095ROC_se0_ag1_f_011565.2201it's evolved from way back when, and1567.5035
1097 1567.6831some things are still in place from that long ago,1570.8344 
1099 1571.1843it's kind of impressive.1572.1676 
1101 1572.5324Other than the history and the food,1574.4140 
1103 1575.2082it's nothing to do. Like I'm bored here, and1577.8414 
1105 1578.5013I don't really like being here, /and so/ I'm always kind of1580.6775 
1107 1580.8973on the go, traveling,1582.3414 
1109 1582.7763so.1583.1309 
1111 1583.6943School is good. That's why I'm here too. I- I-1586.3180 
1113 1586.9468I can't say that either, but who likes to be in school, you know.1590.4838 
1114ROC_int_011590.6283[Mm-hm.]1591.2027
1115ROC_se0_ag1_f_011590.6492[School isn't] fun, so.1592.0344
1116ROC_int_011592.3005So Rochester then isn't like a great place for young, black millennials?1596.6120
1117ROC_se0_ag1_f_011596.7422I don't think so.1598.3403
1119 1598.6239I don't think so.1599.7869 
1121 1600.1895I think, um,1601.4990 
1123 1603.2955now with-1604.0389 
1125 1604.1669Let me say this, I do think1606.0107 
1127 1606.2754Rochester is a very open minded place,1609.5863 
1129 1609.7541um, in some places.1611.4890 
1131 1611.8066I- I don't1612.6765 
1133 1613.2343think I walk outside my door, and the first thing on my mind is let me be conscious of where I go because I'm worried about my safety.1619.8380 
1135 1620.1973However there are places that I do go, and I'm like,1622.6706 
1137 1622.7794well, make sure you say this proper, make sure you don't, you know, be too loud1626.6687 
1139 1627.0958cause people are gonna1628.0641 
1141 1628.2532judge you.1629.0994 
1143 1629.6998Um, but1630.6548 
1145 1631.1398I don't think I'm worried,1632.5994 
1147 1632.7246you know,1633.3002 
1149 1633.7710about1634.2769 
1151 1634.5085police necessarily pulling me over and killing me.1637.2221 
1153 1637.3500That's not the first thing on my mind1639.0686 
1155 1639.2198living here. So there- I'm safe.1641.1770 
1157 1641.9390I'm comfortable here. I'm not, you know-1644.0427 
1159 1644.6809Whereas I had a experience in-1646.4584 
1161 1646.6078Um, my brother lives in Maryland. He moved to Maryland,1649.3119 
1163 1649.6523and we went down to Ocean City for a weekend.1652.1019 
1165 1652.4329Um, now,1653.2413 
1167 1653.3594you know, Maryland was a huge slave state, huge slave state.1656.7254 
1169 1656.8964Frederick Douglass was born there. I think Harriet Tubman was1660.2435 
1171 1660.4184born- I could be wrong, but I know for sure Har- um, Frederick Douglass was born there.1664.0168 
1173 1664.6933And, so anyway, we went to Ocean City. We were dancing1667.6806 
1175 1667.9799at this club, um,1669.4974 
1177 1669.6826the name of it-1670.4248 
1179 1670.7557Fager Island, it's called Fager Island.1672.6373 
1181 1673.1019Mostly white people, you know, obviously we stand out. It's a group, we went for his1677.5883 
1183 1678.1186wedding. They were- <exhale> um, he got married to a girl that lives there and we went kind of for1682.8886 
1185 1683.5466their, um, engagement party.1685.2721 
1187 1685.6078You know, we went out after.1686.8180 
1189 1687.5697<ts>1687.6595 
1191 1687.7978And, um, we were the only black people with an exception of maybe like, a cluster of three other people. <laugh>1694.2032 
1193 1694.3533And when I say cluster, I mean two people like, a group of two people, two and three people.1698.4370 
1194ROC_int_011698.6970Mm.1698.9051
1195ROC_se0_ag1_f_011699.2415So we stood out, you know. It was a group of eight of us maybe.1702.0402
1197 1702.5677<ts> And we were dancing with the guys, and after a while the guys were like trying so hard to-1707.4938 
1199 1708.3172to show us like, oh, we know black people, we love reggae, we're down.1712.1559 
1201 1712.9233And then, at one point one of them says,1715.2138 
1203 1715.3395oh we love beautiful ebony women, and I was like,1718.0909 
1205 1718.3024w- [what?]1720.1455 
1206ROC_int_011719.5322[<laugh>]1720.8750
1207ROC_se0_ag1_f_011721.2390First of all, who even says ebony? Like why you just couldn't say black, if you were gonna-1725.8720
1209 1726.0848you had to notate to fact that we're- obviously I'm black. I'm not1729.7351 
1211 1730.0282orange or gray.1731.1770 
1213 1731.9248But- but that- the fact that that was like-1734.0947 
1215 1734.4493that stood out before anything,1736.6192 
1217 1737.1514it just bothered me. So they were explaining to me like, yeah it's pretty racist down here. You gotta be careful where you are, where you go because,1743.8200 
1219 1744.2510you know,1744.7143 
1221 1745.4801it's /techsni-/ it's technically below the Mason-Dixon Line, and1749.1306 
1223 1751.2296life hasn't changed a bit much there for people, so, you know.1755.7490 
1225 1756.0477The metropolitan areas1757.8583 
1227 1758.4112<ts> I guess, but when you think about it, these are people that were born and raised there, and their family having the same values, traditions, and beliefs, and1765.7446 
1229 1766.2958they just move into the city with the same mindset, so.1769.6759 
1231 1770.8901I don't think I would feel as safe in a place like that where I'm1774.0687 
1233 1774.1555here,1774.6879 
1235 1775.6868um.1775.9893 
1236ROC_int_011777.1326Yeah, so you feel like, uh, you're not like, I guess racialized in the same sort of way1781.6678
1237ROC_se0_ag1_f_011782.1500[No.]1782.7457
1238ROC_int_011782.2871[as you would] be in those sorts of places.1784.5621
1239ROC_se0_ag1_f_011784.5039No, I don't think, you know,1786.2293
1240 1786.3995I'm- I'm not worry about a confederate (laughing) flag flying, you know, across my face or1790.8886
1242 1791.1259driving behind somebody and they spit on my car because I'm black, you know. /But the-/ and my brother has told me about things that have happened just because he's1798.7621 
1244 1798.9559black, so.1799.6698 
1246 1800.2096I don't worry about that1801.2401 
1248 1801.7082here, so.1802.6064 
1250 1802.8191I'm thankful for that, I should say.1804.4596 
1251ROC_int_011804.7338Yeah.1805.0344
1252ROC_se0_ag1_f_011805.0269It's good, yeah.1805.8889
1253ROC_int_011806.0070Yeah.1806.5507
1255 1806.6567And do you think that Rochester is, uh, segregated?1810.3839 
1256ROC_se0_ag1_f_011811.4988I do.1812.2056
1258 1812.6788Um,1813.1645 
1260 1813.7554I feel it's more1814.9318 
1262 1815.0204an economic thing though.1816.6935 
1264 1816.7734It- it's-1817.6225 
1266 1818.1037it's, um,1819.0752 
1268 1820.3433very evident, the areas that are,1822.7922 
1270 1823.3414you know, poverty-stricken, and-1825.2891 
1272 1826.6553However, it tends to be more minorities in those areas, so1832.0452 
1274 1832.1569you can then subdivide it into1834.6200 
1276 1834.8611minorities are poor in Rochester.1837.3998 
1278 1838.0719Um,1838.6487 
1280 1839.3247which is frustrating because I think it boils down to resources when you1843.0878 
1282 1843.4621have this conversation about Rochester. I don't feel like1846.1378 
1284 1847.0928we couldn't all be on the same page, but again going back to high school resources, you know. How come the city schools aren't targeted or marketed by colleges? How come they don't have programs where,1858.9557 
1286 1859.3055you know, start up in ninth grade so that you can be prepared, or even a- a buddy buddy program or a sister, you know.1865.7215 
1287ROC_int_011865.9579[Mm.]1866.2841
1288ROC_se0_ag1_f_011866.1234[Something] that I could think of, and then you1869.0458
1289 1869.4051go to, or I have friends that went to suburb schools, and they're like, oh yeah, we all had tablets. What?1874.2157
1291 1874.3291How did you-1875.1990 
1293 1875.5942how did you afford that? We barely had books that didn't break apart, you know.1878.8923 
1294ROC_int_011879.1756Mm-hm.1879.5444
1295ROC_se0_ag1_f_011879.8044Um,1880.3150
1297 1881.1733<ts>1881.2613 
1299 1881.5752and obviously,1883.0360 
1301 1883.6175I think racism up here is just a bit more polite,1886.3319 
1303 1886.5115so1887.1923 
1305 1887.6130the polite way of doing it is breaking it down economically. So, you know, you're black, you're gonna live in a poor neighborhood. We don't have to fund you.1894.8847 
1307 1895.5235This No Child Left Behind thing, you know,1897.9887 
1309 1898.3177we don't have to fund you cause you didn't do great. Now we're gonna close your school because you suck,1902.8041 
1311 1903.2087and just pump that money somewhere else, whereas1905.4537 
1313 1905.7089you should've pumped more money into that school, given them more resources and helped the kids, and it might've1910.6236 
1315 1911.2618turned into something totally different, so.1913.3891 
1317 1913.9147Uh, that does frustrate me a lot,1915.9523 
1319 1916.2690and1916.7418 
1321 1918.4458I think we're in a cycle now where people are so used to-1922.4272 
1323 1922.9756um,1923.5145 
1325 1924.1291it's the norm. People are just used to black people being1927.1263 
1327 1927.2756dumb, or black people [not] making it through school, or black people-1930.4288 
1328ROC_int_011928.3157[Mm.]1928.5993
1329ROC_se0_ag1_f_011930.8496I shouldn't even say black people. I should say minorities. Um,1933.5356
1331 1933.7294getting out of school and working, or1935.3132 
1333 1935.4833having kids and1936.6274 
1335 1936.9781being in the system, you know.1938.2687 
1337 1938.7130Which1939.1574 
1339 1939.5356again, statistically, we aren't1941.4313 
1341 1942.1452obviously the only people using the system.1944.6752 
1343 1945.5451It's just kind of1947.2895 
1345 1947.7292we're1948.2114 
1347 1948.4316the face of1949.8357 
1349 1949.9964the system, so.1951.0695 
1351 1951.5496<ts>1951.6230 
1353 1951.8382It's unfortunate.1952.9917 
1355 1953.5543I'm kind of scared for the generation under us cause it [seems like] that's just what they know. So they used to it, that's what they know.1960.1357 
1356ROC_int_011956.5759[Mm-hm.]1957.0345
1357ROC_se0_ag1_f_011960.8571And it's becoming the norm for them, [so.]1963.7456
1358ROC_int_011963.4629[Mm-hm.]1963.7565
1359ROC_se0_ag1_f_011964.0503[Mm.]1964.4699
1360ROC_int_011964.3043[So] what would- what do you think would need to happen to fix the circumstances I guess that they're gonna enter into, and to also get more1971.7164
1361 1971.9811like young black millennials to want to stay in Rochester?1975.6316
1362ROC_se0_ag1_f_011976.7662I- well,1977.6502
1364 1977.8298the-1978.2801 
1366 1978.4858the economy has to change, again with the,1980.8507 
1368 1981.0048you know,1981.4586 
1370 1982.0779Kodak was a huge loss. Um,1984.5937 
1372 1985.9269Xerox is pretty much, kind of the only big name still here.1989.8318 
1374 1989.9981Um,1990.5417 
1376 1990.8585didn't1991.3265 
1378 1991.7803Bausch and Lomb hi- like they went through-1994.2197 
1380 1994.7047a huge thing too, so1995.8487 
1382 1996.1210I think we need more resources,1998.3335 
1384 1998.5584opportunities1999.8065 
1386 2000.0098that aren't just2000.8134 
1388 2001.3335working class opportunities.2003.0684 
1390 2003.5412Um,2004.1510 
1392 2005.6741it would help2006.3880 
1394 2006.6243stimulate the economy, and it would help, you know-2009.5081 
1396 2009.8323Obviously they're gonna think, okay, we need people.2012.1914 
1398 2012.5055We can't just rely on everybody that's here. We need to2015.1610 
1400 2015.4589extend our resources to the future because they're gonna become the present.2019.3638 
1402 2020.6079Um,2021.1421 
1404 2021.5782I don't know what would help. I'm not a2024.2859 
1406 2024.7532analyst or [anything.]2026.3026 
1407ROC_int_012026.0142[Mm-hm.]2026.4066
1408ROC_se0_ag1_f_012026.6382I don't know, but I just know that you have to invest into the future2030.5345
1410 2030.8524in order to h- make the present what you want it to be.2033.9430 
1412 2034.3882And I definitely think our school systems need a overhaul.2037.7258 
1414 2037.8960It's- it's really sad.2039.5317 
1416 2040.2881<ts> Now,2040.8176 
1418 2041.9341I have a friend who has a daughter who goes to Brighton. You know, she's getting everything she needs, and she went out of her way to put her into Brighton, just for that reason.2050.6099 
1420 2051.1204You know, she's in accelerated math, and she's2053.5937 
1422 2054.0214in all these advanced classes.2055.4404 
1424 2055.5338I have no doubt that when she graduates, she's gonna be where she needs to be.2059.2870 
1426 2060.0159Why can't that be the same in every school no matter what district?2064.4255 
1428 2065.5864It's- I think that2066.9255 
1430 2067.4692plays a huge part. Um,2069.2183 
1432 2069.4130and experiences. I don't think a lot of kids here even know-2073.0390 
1434 2073.8474like, I was talking about college, what to look forward to. I don't think a lot of kids even realize that the corner is2079.9986 
1436 2080.0932just like2080.8496 
1438 2081.2339a small dot on the map. Like, there's so much more2085.2767 
1440 2085.9007to life than Rochester.2087.9005 
1442 2088.7381I think we're just stuck.2089.8916 
1444 2090.2367Not- I shouldn't say we, but, you know what I mean, when I say we, I [think]2093.4797 
1445ROC_int_012093.1110[Mm-hm.]2093.4372
1446ROC_se0_ag1_f_012093.6783a lot of people are just stuck in their circumstances here because they don't know that there's more out there2099.1819
1448 2099.6736that what they're in, so.2100.7041 
1450 2101.2226<ts>2101.2827 
1452 2101.6505I don't know what it would take, but2103.1302 
1454 2103.4422that's a start. [<laugh>]2105.0353 
1455ROC_int_012104.7659[Yeah.]2105.0968
1456 2105.3521Right.2105.7728
1458 2105.9174Okay, so,2106.9575 
1460 2107.1513we've talked a little bit about, uh, segregation as well as like, um,2111.4000 
1462 2112.0025and how it2112.6738 
1464 2113.3262kind of is more so by economic,2115.6994 
1466 2116.2439um, circumstances. Um,2118.7542 
1468 2119.4964h- what is your take on, I guess,2121.7325 
1470 2121.9186diversity here in Rochester? Do you think this is a diverse place to live?2126.0873 
1471ROC_se0_ag1_f_012126.2481It's very diverse,2127.8285
1473 2128.3763but depending on where you're from, your experience with2132.3471 
1475 2132.5121diversity varies.2134.1277 
1477 2134.6004Um,2135.0826 
1479 2135.8276even in nursing school, like I experienced so much2138.9643 
1481 2139.4591flack, you know.2140.4330 
1483 2141.2083Thank god my name is /RD-NAME-3/, because <laugh> that has gotten me through so many doors on paper.2146.6051 
1485 2147.1110And then I get there and have to prove myself extra hard, you know.2149.8966 
1487 2150.2544I'd have the same ideas and the same- I'd say, hey guys,2153.8532 
1489 2154.2322we should do this. Oh no, because that's not right.2157.3855 
1491 2158.1182And don't you know on every project, the teacher would comment,2160.4394 
1493 2160.8326you should've done this.2161.9814 
1495 2163.0687I don't know if it was because I'm black or what, but when you're the only black girl in the group and everybody ignores your comment, input,2169.0477 
1497 2169.4044and thoughts and ideas, you can't help but wonder, you know, did you th- think that I was ignorant cause I went to a city school? Or what was it, you know?2176.5531 
1499 2177.0117Um,2177.4703 
1501 2178.1227<ts> a lot of girls that I went to nursing school with,2180.1563 
1503 2180.4731most-2181.0356 
1505 2181.8960most of all,2183.3426 
1507 2184.0403yeah, all of them-2185.2128 
1509 2185.8841none of them went to a city school.2187.9122 
1511 2188.5512So, you know, I'm only- I'm one of the few people, with the exception of maybe the older women who were like in their fifties,2195.2981 
1513 2195.9033which obviously they lived in a totally different time frame, so2199.4252 
1515 2199.8326if you- you can't even really-2201.5251 
1517 2202.5415Cause race in that time obviously was a huge-2206.0993 
1519 2206.7281there was a huge difference.2207.9383 
1521 2208.7617Um,2209.2675 
1523 2210.3785so resources probably were a l- I don't know. I didn't live then, so I can't really speak on that but obviously, you know, white people weren't,2217.0744 
1525 2217.1881um,2217.5734 
1527 2217.8137left behind. <laugh> In the fifties, you were the-2220.6823 
1529 2220.7840the forethought.2221.7233 
1531 2222.4071Um, but with the exception of them,2224.6174 
1533 2225.4352the girls that were my age or maybe a few years older, you know,2229.1085 
1535 2229.7428<ts> they were very naive to things2231.8607 
1537 2232.3287as far as life wa- went in the city or2234.8721 
1539 2235.0848what2235.4063 
1541 2235.8799their idea of city schools were. And2237.9931 
1543 2238.5226like,2238.7826 
1545 2239.0898I-2239.3499 
1547 2239.6146<exhale> even work. I worked with a girl who went2242.4019 
1549 2242.5910one time,2243.2717 
1551 2243.6387oh my god, I don't think I could live in the city. Everyday there's a shooting, and2248.0237 
1553 2248.4870I just couldn't handle it,2249.9411 
1555 2250.2436you know. I was (laughing) like what? <laugh>2251.8179 
1557 2252.2386What is she talking about? <laugh> I'm like, I've never2254.9266 
1559 2255.2575personally witnessed anybody get shot.2257.2345 
1561 2257.5701I've never-2258.3170 
1563 2258.5581I've heard gunshots, but, I mean2260.3357 
1565 2260.5892if you live in the country, you can hear gunshots too. People go hunting all the time. What's the difference, right?2265.2000 
1567 2265.7256So I turned to her, and I said, okay well,2267.8056 
1569 2268.1271I've never actually walked out of my house and gotten shot before, so I don't really see what the difference is, you know.2273.6402 
1571 2274.2642Mind you, we just had a huge story2276.2119 
1573 2276.5334at that time2277.4505 
1575 2277.8469about how people were breaking and entering into city- uh, suburb houses, stealing things during Christmas.2284.0234 
1577 2284.5103Like just walking into people's houses, stealing things while they were sleep, so2288.0181 
1579 2288.3896what's the difference, you know?2289.5337 
1581 2290.6852What's the difference?2291.5078 
1583 2291.6260I don't really think there is a big one, other than2293.6588 
1585 2294.4956the experience2295.6830 
1587 2296.3165and2296.8601 
1589 2297.6922<ts> fear will make people make up stories and2300.3348 
1591 2301.0023tend to stay away.2302.0565 
1593 2303.1863So I don't know.2304.1035 
1595 2305.1813I don't think, um,2306.4058 
1597 2306.7328outside of the city, diversity is experienced2309.9002 
1599 2310.0987the way it is inside of the city.2312.1552 
1601 2314.1605It's- it's a different take depending on where you come from I guess,2317.3610 
1603 2317.7999/so./2318.2025 
1604ROC_int_012318.5523Mm-hm.2319.0723
1606 2319.6972Yeah.2320.0754 
1608 2320.9311Yeah,2321.4227 
1610 2321.8151<laugh> I agree. I think it is2323.9094 
1612 2324.8104different across the city, but2326.5595 
1614 2327.4274also too, um,2329.3184 
1616 2329.7817I think it's interesting because2331.7823 
1618 2333.8293w- I feel like we interact with,2336.0417 
1620 2337.2878you know, people in the suburbs all the time cause that's where our grocery stores are. That's where2341.5548 
1621ROC_se0_ag1_f_012341.5816[Mm-hm.]2342.5537
1622ROC_int_012342.3457[any] t- kind of2343.4283
1623 2343.5937commerce, [right.] (laughing)2344.8363
1624ROC_se0_ag1_f_012344.4203[Mm-hm.]2345.3421
1625ROC_int_012345.2665[And] business dealings happen, and they don't happen actually in our-2348.4497
1626ROC_se0_ag1_f_012348.5738[Mm-hm.]2349.3810
1627ROC_int_012348.7322[downtown.]2349.6552
1628 2349.8187Yet, you know, they have more of a choice as to whether or not2352.6883
1630 2353.8852they want to interact with city2355.6355 
1632 2355.7324residents.2356.3777 
1633ROC_se0_ag1_f_012355.8908[<ts>]2355.9420
1634 2356.6413This is true.2357.4686
1636 2357.7333And you can almost kind of see, you know, somebody scooting over, looking at you twice when you go into the store.2363.8590 
1638 2364.1190Not- and I'm not saying this happen a-2365.7498 
1640 2365.8588this happens all the time, but2367.5039 
1642 2367.9192you get2368.5030 
1644 2368.7500people who, you know, kind of look at you- especially my hair.2371.8162 
1646 2372.1330I change my hair up all the time.2373.8443 
1648 2374.1213So depending on how I look when I go somewhere, I get treated different,2377.8938 
1650 2378.1499even at work.2379.0670 
1652 2379.7918<ts> It pisses me off when people think they can stick their hands in my hair. Like,2383.6858 
1654 2384.0379okay,2384.7083 
1656 2385.0971even if my hair did grow eighteen inches overnight,2387.4611 
1658 2387.8692that doesn't give you the right (laughing) stick your hand in my- your hand in my hair and try to feel it, you know.2392.6716 
1660 2392.9836I /wouldn't/ coming to work /if/ like, oh my god, it's curly today, and2395.4427 
1662 2395.7756/you know./2396.0827 
1664 2396.6671So again, diversity, experiencing things and just-2399.8487 
1666 2400.2876but again2401.0642 
1668 2401.1988a lot of that is upbringing and how you were raised.2403.6382 
1670 2404.1449What your family instills in you is usually what you kind of2407.3501 
1672 2408.1112branch off of.2409.3687 
1674 2409.7856So, a lot of it is kind of old school ideology and people not really realizing that2415.1040 
1676 2415.4830what their grandparents2416.7878 
1678 2417.4686learned or taught them isn't necessarily the truth about2420.7589 
1680 2421.6268minorities2422.5676 
1682 2422.7531or diversity in general, so.2424.3640 
1684 2424.6552<ts>2424.7139 
1685ROC_int_012424.9624Yeah.2425.5014
1686ROC_se0_ag1_f_012425.6523Yeah.2426.3712
1687ROC_int_012426.5131Yeah.2426.9811
1689 2427.1115So it would make sense that, you know, the girl in your class2430.2269 
1691 2430.7497would say something like that about shootings in Rochester if you2433.8206 
1693 2434.0097really have no2435.5982 
1695 2436.2695kind of, um,2437.2914 
1697 2437.6223interaction with-2438.7522 
1698ROC_se0_ag1_f_012439.3290Which, not to say that it doesn't happen,2441.9196
1700 2442.1300[but]2442.5673 
1701ROC_int_012442.3924[Mm-hm.]2442.8840
1702ROC_se0_ag1_f_012443.0003again, you can't assume that just because you live in the city.2446.4143
1704 2446.6082Let's think about2447.3456 
1706 2447.5395Park Ave, you know,2448.6972 
1708 2448.7739nobody's gonna say, oh, Park Ave, it's dangerous. But it's smack dab in the middle of the city, you know.2454.7753 
1710 2455.5628[So],2455.9363 
1711ROC_int_012455.6810[Mm-hm.]2456.1869
1712ROC_se0_ag1_f_012456.7806it just depends, I don't know.2458.3501
1714 2458.7519I think any city you live in, it's-2460.5295 
1716 2461.2111it's dangerous.2462.2775 
1718 2462.3693New York City is horrible, but people don't go, oh my god,2465.8960 
1720 2466.4916New York City, you know. People run there to live there, and2470.0239 
1722 2471.0923I guess you'd watch out. I don't know.2472.9171 
1724 2473.1874New York City is sketchy to me no matter where you are, [whether you're in Manhattan or like]2477.4421 
1725ROC_int_012475.8443[Yeah.]2476.2745
1727 2476.6479[<laugh>]2477.3429 
1728ROC_se0_ag1_f_012477.6832in the B- in Brooklyn. Sometimes I feel safer in Brooklyn than in Manhattan, so. (laughing)2482.0381
1730 2482.9552I really think it's just upbringing,2484.6902 
1731ROC_int_012485.0212Mm-hm.2485.4826
1732ROC_se0_ag1_f_012485.9675how people view each other.2487.6599
1733ROC_int_012488.1705Yeah.2488.5865
1735 2488.8276Okay, cool.2489.8393 
1737 2490.1540So, um, my last, uh, question usually revolves around language stuff,2495.0478 
1738ROC_se0_ag1_f_012495.1235[Mm-hm.]2495.6435
1739ROC_int_012495.5064[and] so- or2496.7923
1740 2497.6999f- couple questions, because I mean we started talking about this a little bit before, but first I'll start off on, um,2503.6527
1742 2503.8768<ts>2503.9626 
1744 2504.3490do you perceive, or has anyone ever told you2507.1315 
1746 2507.4483that you have2508.4789 
1748 2508.5923a Rochesterian accent?2510.4786 
1749ROC_se0_ag1_f_012511.5005<ts>2511.5775
1751 2511.8977It depends on where I am. So when I'll go2514.5167 
1753 2515.9802like in Canada, sometimes people say, oh you sound country.2519.1051 
1755 2519.4321Or other places, like I've been to Jersey.2521.8290 
1757 2522.0748When I go to the city, people say, oh you sound country, or oh you sound like-2526.7389 
1759 2526.8901you don't sound like- even in Buffalo people actually say, you know, you don't2530.2144 
1761 2530.6588sound like you're from2532.0108 
1763 2532.1337New York.2532.7956 
1765 2533.1832But when I go down south, people are like, oh my god, you- I can tell you're from New York. I'm like how? Cause you said son. <laugh>2539.2731 
1766ROC_int_012539.3834[<laugh>]2540.2343
1767ROC_se0_ag1_f_012539.5087[You know, so]2540.1942
1768 2540.5078certain words that you say, you don't even realize, um,2543.6610
1770 2544.0628that you say these things,2545.3534 
1772 2545.8573like pop.2546.5665 
1774 2547.4221Um, I went to New York City and asked for pop, and the lady was like,2551.2920 
1776 2551.5804excuse me?2552.2942 
1778 2552.4955And I said, pop. Y'all don't have pop? Like I2554.6919 
1780 2554.7971just need a fizz. I need something-2556.8145 
1782 2557.1076you know, I don't want water, I want some pop.2558.8860 
1784 2559.3445She was like, what is pop?2560.5690 
1786 2560.7202You know, to drink, like a coke.2562.1905 
1788 2562.6396Oh, you mean soda.2563.8262 
1790 2565.0144Oh, I didn't know you said soda. Like, I didn't know that some people said soda, some people said pop. I just always called it pop.2571.2639 
1792 2571.5970Things like that, um,2573.0058 
1794 2574.1176<ts> but other than that,2575.2664 
1796 2575.7391it just depends on where I am. Sometimes I get I sound country,2578.8025 
1798 2579.2186and then if I'm east, like if I'm e- on the East Coast,2582.3679 
1800 2583.6159not quite2584.4691 
1802 2584.5849south, but East Coast-ish,2586.9638 
1804 2587.1435people say I sound country. And if I go up north or down south, people say I sound like-2591.8265 
1806 2591.9683No, up north sometimes in Canada they say I sound country.2595.3067 
1808 2595.7227And then sometimes they say, we can tell you're from New York. So it just depends, I guess.2599.3062 
1809ROC_int_012599.3345Yeah.2599.9538
1811 2600.4747The New York thing, I could <exhale>2602.5028 
1813 2602.7581see a little bit more, because it's like, that's2605.1927 
1815 2605.4196mostly to me sounding like2607.2547 
1817 2607.4202using certain like2608.5028 
1819 2609.0370lexical2609.9683 
1821 2610.1385things, [like saying son and whatever, like]2612.5854 
1822ROC_se0_ag1_f_012610.6632[Mm-hm.]2611.8498
1824 2612.0275[Right.]2612.7792 
1825ROC_int_012612.8028that's how people-2613.5486
1827 2613.6471But the southern thing, to me,2615.2261 
1829 2615.5003is harder2616.3796 
1830ROC_se0_ag1_f_012616.4458Mm-hm.2617.0293
1831ROC_int_012617.0429to understand what people2619.3088
1833 2619.6634mean by southern. Like, is it the way I pronounce certain words?2623.2665 
1834ROC_se0_ag1_f_012623.4415Y'all or hey y'all, you know, but that's because my family is from down south.2628.4223
1836 2628.6283So my family,2629.9508 
1838 2630.0619when we talk to each other2631.7437 
1840 2631.8694like, talking about,2632.9485 
1842 2633.0407or, you know, certain things that we say to each other.2635.8811 
1844 2636.3728It probably won't come out here cause I'm tryna be proper so you can understand me, but2639.8691 
1846 2640.3482when we talk to each other, you can hear it,2642.9732 
1848 2643.2095and so if I'm somewhere and I'm comfortable,2645.5571 
1850 2645.8408it comes out.2646.8241 
1852 2647.5341But2648.1817 
1854 2648.5646when I'm conscious of it, I probably sound more like2651.3113 
1856 2651.4909a New Yorker than anything.2653.0146 
1858 2653.1226[<laugh>]2654.0231 
1859ROC_int_012653.3637[Mm-hm.]2654.0026
1860 2654.2690What part of the South are your, uh,2655.7676
1862 2656.0552folks from?2656.6508 
1863ROC_se0_ag1_f_012656.9250Alabama,2658.1778
1865 2658.3338Florida, m- f- Florida and Alabama2660.6361 
1867 2660.7382mostly, yeah.2661.6080 
1869 2662.0615[So],2662.5000 
1870ROC_int_012662.0808[Yeah.]2662.5732
1871ROC_se0_ag1_f_012662.7489[country.]2663.2477
1872ROC_int_012662.8884[Right.]2663.3777
1873ROC_se0_ag1_f_012663.3966[<laugh>]2663.9875
1874ROC_int_012663.5337[So many] of our family members are from the South,2666.5605
1875 2667.4615and so I also wonder how much that feeds in too.2670.2866
1876ROC_se0_ag1_f_012670.8633A l- a [lot], I'm sure, you know, um,2673.9768
1877ROC_int_012671.4164[/?/]2671.7048
1878ROC_se0_ag1_f_012675.3080a lot cause sometimes I'm talking to people and they're like, what did you say? And I'm like, oh you- I gotta say it the right way cause they don't know what I'm talking about. <laugh> You [know what I'm talking about], um, they don't know what I'm talking2685.6978
1879ROC_int_012683.1403[Mm-hm.]2683.7407
1880ROC_se0_ag1_f_012685.9153about. <laugh>2687.1445
1882 2687.4545So,2687.8753 
1884 2688.1164it depends, um,2689.4070 
1886 2689.7946but I think it-2690.5794 
1888 2691.1333here I feel like a lot of people are from down south. A lot of people have come up2695.0146 
1890 2695.5772to Rochester in particular because of job opportunities and different things at the time, so2700.1542 
1892 2700.7735most of everybody I know has roots somewhere else. They aren't actually born here. I can't trace anybody back that I know of that was just- has always been here,2709.7999 
1894 2710.4334which2710.8683 
1896 2711.7902makes sense in history.2713.6292 
1898 2714.4364<ts> Unless somebody's family was an indentured servant, I don't really know anybody that was2718.7810 
1900 2719.0079born and just2719.9487 
1902 2720.0385bred here.2720.7949 
1903ROC_int_012720.9509Mm-hm.2721.6364
1904ROC_se0_ag1_f_012721.6411Yeah.2722.0240
1905ROC_int_012722.1139Right.2722.5772
1906ROC_se0_ag1_f_012722.6619If that makes [sense.]2723.5557
1907ROC_int_012723.4423[Now] do the people in like, say for instance, your program, do,2727.7451
1908 2728.1545uh, like the white girls in your program, or men too,2731.1564
1910 2731.4070um,2731.9270 
1912 2732.0468<ts> shouldn't just gender it,2733.1967 
1914ROC_se0_ag1_f_012733.2103[<laugh>]2733.9909 
1915ROC_int_012733.2925[but <laugh>]2733.8633
1916 2734.2476do they- do you think that2736.2190
1918 2736.3277the people who live like in the [suburbs]2738.4764 
1919ROC_se0_ag1_f_012738.3019[Mm-hm.]2738.7651
1920ROC_int_012738.8881sound different2739.9344
1922 2740.0526from-2740.5010 
1923ROC_se0_ag1_f_012740.9548Of course they do.2742.1508
1924ROC_int_012742.3636Yeah.2742.6390
1925ROC_se0_ag1_f_012742.6472They sound like each other.2744.1486
1927 2744.2526They sound like,2745.5466 
1929 2746.8088um, (breathy)2747.9670 
1931 2748.6912<ts>2748.7940 
1933 2749.4428very polished and proper.2751.9248 
1935 2752.0571<laugh>2752.7407 
1936ROC_int_012752.7501Mm-hm.2753.2087
1937ROC_se0_ag1_f_012753.5573Um, and I don't know-2755.1970
1939 2755.5752with the exception of- I can always tell when somebody either has-2758.9506 
1941 2759.4195they're foreigners or their family members are f-2762.6342 
1943 2762.8942of a foreign, you know, background.2764.6575 
1945 2765.2248Because obviously, a second language, you didn't learn it first.2768.5633 
1947 2769.5844But most people that I've encountered,2771.9718 
1949 2773.0363<ts> men and women,2774.1898 
1951 2774.4923they kind of-2775.3244 
1953 2776.7237I don't know.2777.3856 
1955 2777.6881It's like there's no twang. I don't know if it's a minority thing or what is it,2782.1706 
1957 2782.7001but it's like almost like, I hate to say white people.2785.8399 
1959 2786.1189And I'm not even saying white people. I'm really saying like2788.8608 
1961 2789.5692English.2790.3634 
1963 2791.3424I don't know, you c- can't really generalize it either.2793.5371 
1965 2794.9081I- I- minorities, I don't know. Anybody that speaks a second language other than English.2799.7829 
1967 2801.0972They have a twang with everything,2803.0268 
1969 2803.1497so,2803.6698 
1971 2803.9392people that only know English and speak English, and especially live in the suburbs, they just kind of sound like very polished, proper, and2812.0571 
1973 2812.3833punctuated. [<laugh>]2813.8252 
1974ROC_int_012813.5491[Mm-hm.]2813.9840
1975ROC_se0_ag1_f_012814.3669If that makes sense /?/2815.5747
1977 2816.0290And they don't get a lot of my references like <laugh>2818.8183 
1979 2819.3052jokes or,2820.0994 
1981 2820.5399um, I can't think of anything right now, but.2823.1495 
1983 2823.9626Things I would say, they'd be like who-2825.5613 
1985 2826.1570if I were to say, who shot John? You know, you know what I'm talking about.2829.3906 
1986ROC_int_012829.4059[Mm-hm.]2829.9590
1987ROC_se0_ag1_f_012829.7829[If I said] that, they're like, sh- John got shot? Who shot John? Like what happened?2834.2343
1988 2834.5037You know, references,2835.8377
1990 2836.2963which are obviously cultural references, but2839.2273 
1992 2840.7534it's boring. I don't know. I don't know, I could- I don't have another way to describe, it's like there's almost no subculture within their culture, you [know],2848.0193 
1993ROC_int_012847.9484[Mm.]2848.3120
1994ROC_se0_ag1_f_012848.3171which is2848.8608
1996 2849.9353kind of-2850.6208 
1998 2851.3497Mm I just hit a point. Maybe that's why it's hard for some people to understand diversity, cause they have no2857.8650 
2000 2858.5268diversity even within- amongst themselves. There's no like,2862.0062 
2002 2863.0983s-2863.3057 
2004 2863.8018separation. They're all the same. [<laugh>]2866.1262 
2005ROC_int_012865.9280[Well], yeah or their culture is the default.2868.4167
2006ROC_se0_ag1_f_012868.5245<ts> Yeah. (breathy) There you go.2870.3784
2007ROC_int_012870.5404You know, like, it's just the way things are2873.2024
2009 2873.2983considered to be normal [/or/]2875.1296 
2010ROC_se0_ag1_f_012874.6350[Yeah,]2875.4840
2011 2875.6266so.2876.0901
2012ROC_int_012876.0974way of life kind of, maybe.2877.5977
2014 2877.9481[Yeah.]2878.2641 
2015ROC_se0_ag1_f_012878.0697[Yeah.]2878.4796
2016ROC_int_012879.0523Yeah.2879.4606
2018 2880.2474Uh, you brought up- uh, know, um, we were talking right before the interview sort of about this, talking white versus talking black.2887.3527 
2020 2887.7474When you get comme- comments about, uh,2890.2490 
2022 2890.5044you sound white [maybe,]2892.0403 
2023ROC_se0_ag1_f_012891.6126[Mm-hm.]2892.1829
2024ROC_int_012892.4486who do you get them from?2893.7377
2025ROC_se0_ag1_f_012894.3015Black people,2895.2024
2027 2895.6852and it pisses me off cause I'm like, what do you mean? Am I supposed to sound smart talking stupid?2901.3352 
2029 2901.6074Like,2902.1162 
2031 2902.8446if I'm at home and comfortable, okay, it's one thing for me to break everything down, but if I'm tryna convey an idea or get you to understand my point,2909.7163 
2033 2910.1440if I don't communicate clearly, how will you know what the hell I'm talking about? <laugh> You know what I mean,2914.9418 
2035 2915.5121and I don't get-2916.3093 
2037 2917.2516I don't-2917.6826 
2039 2918.2464I do know where it came from. I know the history of our people, and I know it came from2923.1842 
2041 2924.1006us constantly being told we need to dumb ourselves down to get by.2928.3903 
2043 2928.8731Unfortunately, so many people have missed that, and2931.9380 
2045 2932.5784<ts> I actually was just talking to a patient about this today.2935.0741 
2047 2935.5562Because my parents and my grandparents are like, direct-2938.7312 
2049 2938.8359you know, was2939.4694 
2051 2939.8733/m-/ in the heat2940.8552 
2053 2941.0172of the fire, you know, Civil Rights Movement,2943.3691 
2055 2943.8876took trips down south and had to pack lunches for two days cause they couldn't pull over to eat, or2948.1351 
2057 2948.4585even having to stop on the side of the road and pee because, bring toilet paper, we can't stop anywhere.2953.6782 
2058ROC_int_012953.9342Mm.2954.1189
2059ROC_se0_ag1_f_012954.1226You know, having those stories like, fresh in my mind from people that I know and see every day,2959.6426
2061 2960.9386it- I grew up with a different perspective I guess. So my grandma always inputted into me, you know, knowledge is power, read,2967.4727 
2063 2967.6098grow, you know, don't be ignorant, and ignorant doesn't mean2970.9814 
2065 2971.9681not2972.4451 
2067 2972.8162talking proper. Ignorant means, you know, you don't strive for more, you don't wanna learn anything, you s- you're content being where you are,2981.2121 
2069 2981.9963<ts> which a lot of people-2983.0397 
2071 2984.0766Vocab and just being able to communicate2987.0460 
2073 2987.2729overall,2988.2580 
2075 2989.5852it's- it's like a breakdown, I don't know. I- it's sad.2992.8257 
2077 2993.5710I don't- I don't know-2995.1315 
2079 2996.4212I can't like, mark a specific group, but I just feel like maybe3000.5862 
2081 3000.7903the ninety-ish babies3002.8879 
2083 3003.0126kind of have lost their3004.7787 
2085 3005.3759sense of pride, you know, in education and3008.5256 
2087 3008.9923learning how to speak.3009.7751 
2089 3010.0926Even dressing, um,3011.3759 
2091 3012.1147you know, back in the day,3013.7220 
2093 3014.2729you only had two pair of pants,3015.8024 
2095 3016.1056those two pair of pants better be polished and clean every day, even if those were the only two pair of pants you had.3021.3033 
2097 3021.7751Nowadays it's like,3022.9889 
2099 3024.2508nobody cares, people walk around with bonnets on their head, and3027.5367 
2101 3028.6565there's no sense of pride in anything. They're just so used to being, you know,3033.4654 
2103 3033.9241one way.3034.8055 
2105 3035.3305So, even with the language now.3037.5405 
2107 3037.8322But it frustrates me again cause I try to make the point of,3040.7926 
2109 3041.1814well, who said talking proper equates to being a white girl?3044.8432 
2111 3045.0182Like,3045.4654 
2113 3046.0862but again, that idea of3047.9397 
2115 3048.9313back in the day, most people didn't have educations past the tenth grade3052.4556 
2117 3053.2138if you were black.3054.3610 
2119 3054.5489If you were white obviously you were going on and graduating, going to college, so you did have a bit more of- of a built up vocab, and you did have proper,3062.8367 
2121 3063.3811I guess,3064.0357 
2123 3064.1338English.3064.8014 
2125 3066.1034Made a difference, but that don't mean3068.1507 
2127 3069.1131you can't, you know,3070.2473 
2129 3070.5972be smart3071.2576 
2131 3071.9154and3072.2427 
2133 3072.3723not talk proper cause3073.7974 
2135 3073.9828trust me I'm-3074.8645 
2137 3074.9942<laugh>3075.9311 
2139 3076.2941I- I, uh,3077.6583 
2141 3078.1729I, uh, have to concentrate to talk sometimes. <laugh>3082.1418 
2143 3082.4107[Not-]3082.8320 
2144ROC_int_013082.5501[/unintelligible/]3083.6583
2145ROC_se0_ag1_f_013083.1897[<laugh>]3083.5332
2146ROC_int_013083.8232You turn it on and off, [right?]3085.5951
2147ROC_se0_ag1_f_013085.2257[Yeah, yeah.]3086.6296
2148ROC_int_013086.1000[Like],3086.3930
2149 3086.6341and3087.2168
2151 3087.4242some people, I guess may turn it on and off more than [others.]3091.5357 
2152ROC_se0_ag1_f_013091.1889[Mm-hm]3092.1625
2153ROC_int_013091.9699[Um],3092.3312
2154 3092.9755uh, but whether or not, you know, you're speaking what I- what I guess I- we would call African American English,3098.4959
2155ROC_se0_ag1_f_013098.5437[Mm-hm.]3099.3069
2156ROC_int_013099.0817[um], or not like, you know, you're all capable of-3102.2539
2157 3102.7108um,3103.1936
2159 3104.4412of complex thought.3105.7108 
2160ROC_se0_ag1_f_013105.8080[Right.]3106.6751
2161ROC_int_013106.4762[Yeah.]3106.7095
2162ROC_se0_ag1_f_013106.7423Right.3107.3407
2164 3107.8352And sometimes simple is best. Sometimes if you say it dumbed down,3111.6680 
2166 3112.0638more people will understand you, you know what I mean. It doesn't necessarily have to be a slew of words3116.9297 
2168 3117.1111for somebody to get that you're smart.3118.9063 
2170 3119.2166I just feel like if you can connect with somebody and communicate,3122.0691 
2172 3122.8454no matter how you say it, as long as it's effective communication. Effective communication doesn't mean use a huge3129.2926 
2174 3129.9472vocab,3130.8415 
2176 3131.2110you know, in a sentence.3132.4747 
2178 3133.1099It just needs to be3134.2894 
2180 3134.6963point clear, and3135.9083 
2182 3136.6406everybody understands, so.3138.0600 
2183ROC_int_013138.3691Yeah.3138.6964
2184ROC_se0_ag1_f_013138.5185[<ts>]3138.6004
2185 3139.2482That mighta been because I took3140.6562
2187 3140.8538IPC classes, <laugh> interpersonal communication classes, so3144.8024 
2188ROC_int_013145.1144Mm-hm.3145.4676
2189ROC_se0_ag1_f_013145.4729that helped too.3146.1935
2191 3146.2794[<laugh>]3147.3014 
2192ROC_int_013147.0389[Yeah.]3147.4375
2193 3147.6571[Yeah.]3148.0363
2194ROC_se0_ag1_f_013147.9034[<laugh>]3148.2501
2195 3149.0019[Yeah.]3149.5075
2196ROC_int_013149.3940[Yeah.]3149.7829
2197 3150.0324Okay, well, um,3151.5710
2199 3151.7079<ts>3151.7891 
2201 3152.0141those are all the questions that I have, but if you have any last thoughts, um,3156.2168 
2203 3156.3982that you'd like to say about Rochester, or-3158.9284 
2205 3159.3302or anything we talked about,3160.9958 
2207 3161.1053you know.3161.4844 
2208ROC_se0_ag1_f_013161.7890No, not that I can think of. I think I talked your ear off enough. [<laugh>]3165.8292
2209ROC_int_013165.0353[Nah, you did] good. [It's been], you know, [really fascinating] and interesting, so thank you. I [always ask at] the end, you know, are you, um, comfortable with me still using this interview?3174.6449
2210ROC_se0_ag1_f_013166.4093[<laugh>]3166.8986
2212 3167.4621[Yeah.]3168.2009 
2214 3170.2061[Good.]3170.7959 
2215 3174.8548[Yeah.]3175.6584
2216ROC_int_013175.3895[Okay],3175.8075
2217ROC_se0_ag1_f_013175.7816[I hope I] didn't sound crazy. No. [<laugh>]3178.5247
2218ROC_int_013175.8845[cool.]3176.1394
2220 3177.2025[<laugh>]3178.3367 
2221 3178.8351You [don't sound crazy.]3180.0000
2222ROC_se0_ag1_f_013179.0684[<laugh> Good, good. <laugh>]3181.3409
2223ROC_int_013180.0974[<laugh>]3181.1606