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1	ROC_int_01	0.2918	Do you consent to doing this interview?	2.2875
2	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2.5533	Yes.	3.1641
3	ROC_int_01	3.3459	Okay,	3.6817
5		3.9102	great, [okay,]	4.9453
6	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	4.6211	[<laugh>]	4.9314
7	ROC_int_01	5.0229	cool.	5.4105
9		5.8068	So, um,	6.8653
11		6.9772	usually the first, um, question that I ask is about where you grew up in the city of Rochester.	13.3456
12	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	13.7373	Oh okay,	14.2735
14		14.7631	um, so I'm from- born and raised in Rochester.	17.5737
16		17.7789	Um,	18.3477
18		18.7208	I grew up on, uh, two-	20.8632
20		21.0467	was it	21.4405
22		21.5773	t- one- /RD-ADDRESS-6/.	23.1867
24		23.5166	So it's in between /RD-ADDRESS-3/ and /RD-ADDRESS-2/ I think.	26.0917
26		26.5113	And it was weird, cause I grew up in a house behind a house.	28.7915
27	ROC_int_01	28.9815	Mm.	29.3698
28	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	29.3312	And I grew up across the street from a recreation center, that was really important to my development.	34.0174
29		34.4499	So I spent m- most of my time there. And then,	37.1015
31		37.8911	when I went to middle school, I moved /on/ /RD-ADDRESS-7/.	41.6343
33		42.1379	Like by-	42.9539
35		43.2337	off of /RD-ADDRESS-3/.	44.1663
37		44.4507	So, kind of the same	45.3320
39		46.2287	situation. A lot of crime, a lot of like,	48.8746
41		49.0348	drugs and stuff like that.	50.1616
42	ROC_int_01	50.6978	[Mm.]	50.9667
43	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	50.7118	[Um],	51.2663
44		51.3703	but yeah.	51.9755
45	ROC_int_01	52.3753	Well, how would you describe the neighborhood for someone who isn't here? Like, what does it look [like? /Is it like/ houses], or?	58.0407
46	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	56.2026	[Oh, um],	57.2620
47		58.1387	well, the first house,	59.3732
49		59.5000	it was just weird because it was a- behind a house.	61.8715
51		62.2782	So, it was cool because we had like a lot of,	64.4045
53		64.7064	um, space to	65.8162
55		65.9467	play and, like, run around and stuff like that.	68.4880
57		68.9310	And, um,	70.2739
59		70.7448	you know,	71.4699
61		71.9048	it- it- like I said it was across the street from a recreation center, so it was like a basketball	75.5185
63		75.6910	c- hoo- hoop and,	77.1913
65		77.5970	uh, tennis, like a big field. I played football like, with the boys.	81.7097
67		82.0967	There's a pool,	83.1540
69		83.5737	um,	84.5109
71		87.5978	there's like- you know, it's a food a desert. So, there's like a lot of corner stores, not like a lot of	92.2036
73		92.5859	fresh	93.0942
75		93.2434	produce, or any of that kind of stuff.	95.1263
77		95.7649	Um, mostly black,	97.6254
79		97.9225	poor	98.5363
81		98.7031	people,	99.2854
83		99.7750	uh, for the most part. Um,	101.7462
85		102.8327	yeah, and it was like right,	103.9331
87		104.2493	um, like down a hill, it was like also next to a hill, like we ride our bikes down.	108.3058
89		108.8467	Um, and it was next to my elementary school.	110.8284
91		111.0102	And then I would walk to	112.3392
93		112.9442	my middle school, that was kind of far.	114.1892
95		114.3757	Um,	114.9259
97		116.1196	and then the other street,	117.4204
99		117.6640	um,	118.2413
101		119.3359	was kind of a similar situation. It was next to another school.	122.6092
103		123.1921	Um, but it was a lot more crime there, a lot more abandoned houses. Um,	127.2523
105		127.5927	that was mostly a black neighborhood as well.	129.8915
107		130.4604	Uh, again a food desert, like I- my mom didn't have a car growing up. So, like that was really,	135.1734
109		135.9708	uh, tough trying to get like fresh c-	137.5504
111		137.7695	produce and all that kind of stuff.	139.1105
113		139.8119	Um,	140.5486
115		141.4765	yeah.	141.8309
116	ROC_int_01	142.0734	Yeah.	142.4604
118		142.7304	It's interesting you	143.7563
120		143.9987	bring up the food desert point because	145.8779
122		146.1437	like, that's not something I realized until I became an adult.	149.6071
123	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	149.6397	Yeah, yeah.	150.3764
124	ROC_int_01	150.5629	You know how few	152.1390
126		152.4468	grocery stores that there are just period in the city, [and even]	156.5797
127	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	155.8375	[Yeah.]	156.2599
128	ROC_int_01	156.6931	the Wegmans on Mount Hope	157.9743
129	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	158.1681	[Yeah.]	158.5605
130	ROC_int_01	158.4565	[left.]	158.9907
131	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	159.2674	[Yeah.]	159.5752
132	ROC_int_01	159.4493	[So, yeah.]	160.0415
133	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	160.0357	A lot of the Wegmans move out the ho-	161.1967
134		161.2946	moved out the hood. [I actually] just- m-	163.0292
135	ROC_int_01	162.2960	[Mm-hm.]	162.7499
136	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	163.2204	g- went	163.6662
138		163.7702	to Wegmans earlier,	164.7268
140		165.3467	um, to get like a sub cause I love the subs, [but.]	167.7869
141	ROC_int_01	167.5231	[Yes, me too.]	168.3149
142	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	167.9404	[Yeah.] <laugh>	168.6842
143		168.9593	But then I realized, like,	169.9837
145		170.4141	you know, I was thinking about that, I was talking, um, uh, with	172.8004
147		172.9309	my friend who also grew up, uh, in Rochester. She has a different experience cause she grew up like in the	177.1509
149		177.4819	suburbs, stuff like that. But we both went to, um, /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	180.5396
151		181.0852	And, uh, I was like, yo where's like, uh, (laughing) the closest Wegmans? Like, I really wanna go to Wegmans.	185.9387
153		186.4137	Um, and yeah, the closest one is like,	189.0809
155		189.2103	n- nowhere near,	190.7071
157		190.8627	it's like twenty minute drive, you know.	192.3718
159		192.8800	Um, so yeah.	194.0266
160	ROC_int_01	194.5773	Yeah, and then I think there's maybe a Price Right in-	197.7609
161	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	198.0920	Uh, not near me, /none that-/ [I have like-]	200.5214
162	ROC_int_01	199.8352	[Yeah.]	200.2607
163	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	201.1001	like	201.3887
165		201.6078	t- I remember to like go to a grocery store, it was always a big hassle because	205.5701
167		205.9245	my mom didn't have a car. And like, you really need a car to live in Rochester,	209.3086
169		209.7469	you know. And so, like,	210.9966
171		211.1178	she would either have to	212.5354
173		212.7638	barter with like neighbors, and like, pay them money,	215.3459
175		215.4718	for gas money when she had it,	216.9313
177		217.4163	or like, ask a relative, but we still had to actually pay them. And it- it like- the closest grocery was like maybe a fifteen, twenty minute drive at least.	224.0831
178	ROC_int_01	224.2836	Yeah.	224.7918
179	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	224.7872	And it's like not the best. Like, Tops is like dirty and like, not- <laugh>	228.6842
180	ROC_int_01	228.8660	[Mm-hm.]	229.5586
181	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	229.1971	[Um], so yeah.	230.5447
182	ROC_int_01	230.7685	Yeah, yeah.	231.7337
184		232.0883	So you mention the, uh, recreation center [across the street.] Do you wanna talk more, like maybe your experiences there, [/or/?]	239.3411
185	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	234.8987	[Yeah, yeah.]	235.7473
187		239.0615	[Yeah], I mean, I- um,	240.6982
188		240.8660	I spent a lot of time there. So, my mom, it was, uh, it- it was just my mom,	244.6978
190		245.4112	uh, my twin brother, I had a older brother and a sister,	249.1669
192		249.3232	and a nephew.	250.2500
194		250.6372	And so, my mom would work a lot and stuff like that. And so, I actually spent a lot of my time there.	255.4359
196		256.0123	Um,	256.7724
198		257.5091	like,	257.9131
200		258.2340	I started going there from five, up until like	260.7592
202		261.2721	I actually started working there when I was in, uh, high school,	263.9008
203	ROC_int_01	264.2062	[/inaudible/]	264.8113
204	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	264.4697	[as soon] as I could. Um, I really enjoyed	266.8781
205		267.0112	going there.	267.7274
207		268.3014	Um,	269.0428
209		269.2387	you know, just, I played a lot of sports.	271.4023
211		271.5981	Uh, I usually was probably the only girl that	273.9156
213		274.3288	like, got dirty and all that kind of stuff. And I would	276.2799
215		276.6329	swim everyday, like I just- I just was really involved	279.7990
217		279.9657	in that	280.3755
219		280.7677	community center. And then when- as soon as I was old enough I started working there,	283.9991
221		284.3768	uh, with the kids, and	286.0321
223		286.4600	I think that's when I began to realize the kind of neighborhood that	289.6308
225		290.1017	I was living in. Cause [you- you] know, you don't- you think everybody-	293.8309
226	ROC_int_01	291.8310	[Mm-hm.]	292.1797
227	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	294.3298	You know, I just /grew up with/ my mom. So I thought	295.7380
229		295.9199	everybody didn't have like, a dad around as much. Or, you know, they weren't that involved. Like,	300.3624
231		300.7215	you know, that's when I feel like I start- started to learn	303.3234
233		303.9062	like what kind of environment I was really in.	305.9894
235		306.5629	But it wasn't until I got to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ that I was like, dang, I was really poor. <laugh>	311.3459
237		311.6863	[Like it was just such a stark] difference that like,	313.7029
238	ROC_int_01	311.7516	[/inaudible/]	312.9826
239	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	314.1437	people actually paid cash for tuition. I'm like,	316.7915
241		316.8979	what?	317.1874
243		317.7423	Um, and stuff like that. And so,	319.5608
245		319.8219	all- I think all those different moments I started to realize, like, oh okay, I-	323.9101
247		324.8707	dang, I- I really did grow up, like, in a- a dis-	327.8316
249		327.9517	from a disadvantaged background but I didn't	329.4205
251		329.7609	realize the extent to it, because everyone around me was just in the same environment.	333.6684
252	ROC_int_01	334.0590	Mm-hm.	334.6698
253	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	334.8750	Yeah.	335.1734
254	ROC_int_01	335.1874	Yeah.	335.5500
256		335.6549	No that makes sense.	336.7914
258		336.9047	And so, what schools did you go to? Did you go to [ones in the] neighborhood, or?	340.6036
259	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	339.5192	[Oh.]	339.8783
260		340.6083	Yeah, yeah. So I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ School,	343.3556
262		343.4862	/RD-SCHOOL-7/. So that's the school I was saying like,	346.2500
264		346.4693	there's a recreation center- actually it was connected to a recreation center.	349.1505
265	ROC_int_01	349.2204	Hm.	349.6087
266	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	349.6354	So, um, like the gym, they shared the same gym and stuff like that. So, I went	353.1454
268		353.3040	to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ School.	354.6282
270		355.1365	And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-11/ which I think is like, in a lot of trouble now.	360.3718
272		361.0432	Um, and then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	363.4073
274		363.7699	um, for	364.7491
276		365.2531	high school. And that was really-	367.0548
278		367.2283	and it- So,	367.8789
280		368.2509	those-	368.6379
282		368.8151	the /RD-SCHOOL-2/ School was really close. I could just,	370.7351
284		370.8326	walk up the hill. Like, my mom took me to like, the first day and then she's like, okay you got it, you know.	374.9737
285	ROC_int_01	375.1969	[Mm-hm.]	375.5506
286	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	375.4572	[And] then, um, middle school was actually like, kind of far. Like,	378.3839
287		378.4977	I mean, I guess considering at the time. But I had a twin brother,	381.2628
289		381.6731	so we, you know, stuck together and like /walked/ home all the time.	385.7088
291		386.1017	And that was like, probably like, a mile, or two.	389.1734
293		389.8076	Um,	390.3951
295		390.5210	you know, in the winters it was a little hectic, but, uh, it wasn't too bad.	393.6218
297		394.2128	But then when we moved to the /RD-ADDRESS-3/	396.4768
299		396.6990	address it was closer. And then /RD-SCHOOL-1/ I had to	399.1731
301		399.4204	catch a bus.	400.0695
303		400.5346	And I went there because they had the /RD-SCHOOL-7/. It's like this program for people	404.6389
305		405.0296	who wanna become teachers in the city s- Rochester city school district and that's what I thought initially I wanted to do.	409.9385
307		410.3115	So that's why I went to high school	411.4898
309		411.7151	there. Even though it was kind of far, cause I was	413.8252
311		414.1278	thinking about going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	415.5515
313		415.9292	uh, /RD-SCHOOL-4/,	417.2010
314	ROC_int_01	417.2383	Yeah,	417.6626
315	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	417.6720	yeah.	417.9704
316	ROC_int_01	417.9984	yeah. Okay, and how did you enjoy /RD-SCHOOL-1/? What was that experience like for you?	422.5307
317	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	422.6379	Um,	423.2161
319		424.2082	it was challenging because	426.4008
321		426.8012	I think at that point, um, so when I entered, I was like thirteen,	431.1035
323		431.3273	thirteen or fourteen.	432.2459
325		432.6003	And I think at that point I started to realize that,	434.9597
327		435.7011	you know,	436.3760
329		436.5253	not everybody's-	437.5065
331		437.6117	So, like,	438.3065
333		438.5769	uh, let me take a step back. So,	439.8219
335		440.3209	I would participate in different community service activities. So, one of the things that we did is like,	444.9826
337		445.3090	interact with like, um, sch- students that went to like suburban high schools.	449.3646
339		449.7889	And so I think like going to their facilities and stuff like that, I noticed-	453.5332
341		453.7011	like started to notice differences between like, the schools,	456.4790
343		456.9640	like, my school and their school. So like,	458.1996
345		458.7172	my school, you know, soon as you walk- before you can get into the school you have to go through medical- medical- uh,	464.1204
347		464.4328	<ts>	464.5363
348	ROC_int_01	464.9177	[Metal,]	465.1934
349	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	465.0246	[metal dete- detectors], yeah.	466.7076
350	ROC_int_01	465.5005	[yeah.]	465.7983
351	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	467.2060	Uh, like, literally like, airport style. Like you walk through, like it was really intense. Um,	472.1207
353		473.1501	uh, but-	474.4744
355		475.1831	and so like, stuff like that. But- and I played like three sports all my four years.	479.4718
357		480.1666	And um,	481.3277
359		481.5888	I had	482.0038
361		482.5120	good friends and good teachers.	484.4040
363		484.8004	Um, but-	485.7190
365		486.5350	and I did well in school, I don't think I struggled at all I think	489.2087
367		489.2877	in fact I probably wasn't challenged enough a lot of times.	492.2832
369		493.0292	Um,	493.8173
371		495.6915	but,	496.0281
373		496.1926	I definitely	496.9636
375		497.3366	m- I-	497.8076
377		498.4091	towards the end I definitely knew like-	499.9012
379		500.7405	<ts>	500.9099
381		501.5985	So I- and so then I met like	503.1229
383		503.6334	really good teachers like that went to /RD-SCHOOL-10/.	506.1950
385		506.5913	And so I was first pe- person in my family to go to college, and I didn't realize like how-	510.3858
387		510.9686	um,	511.5515
389		512.9037	how	513.4027
391		513.7057	great of a school /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was. Cause my mom actually worked there as a janitor for a long time.	517.7753
393		518.2882	And, you know, it's unfortunate because I lived so close	521.0829
395		521.5837	there.	521.9801
397		522.3531	By the time I was going, uh, to college, like I could- I lived right around the corner from the riverside.	526.8470
399		527.3319	I think /it has/ apartments like literally one block away.	529.4769
401		530.0504	And, um,	530.8105
403		531.6405	you know, just not knowing all those resources. But I think	534.1619
405		534.5956	I had really good teachers who,	536.2929
407		536.5913	uh, really were invested in me. And- and saw something maybe at times I didn't see in myself.	541.1344
409		541.6354	Um, and I ha- I didn't have many black teachers /like/ I can only recall like maybe two, and one of them actually passed away,	547.3556
411		547.9665	uh, whe- as we were graduating /RD-NAME-5/.	550.4456
413		550.6002	Um,	551.0568
415		551.6445	but he went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. He had, um, a brother, /RD-NAME-5/ at-	555.6918
417		556.0788	I don't know if you remember him,	557.2991
419		557.3715	uh, but he,	558.5256
421		559.0526	uh,	559.6587
423		560.0551	you know, I met at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ so that was really good. And so, just having those teachers encourage me I think made a	565.7893
425		566.2355	huge difference in a lot of different stuff.	567.9902
426	ROC_int_01	568.2315	Yeah, [yeah], okay, cool.	570.2599
427	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	568.8610	[Yeah.]	569.0523
428	ROC_int_01	570.6189	Um, and so, had you always wanted to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/? Or what [were your-]	575.5884
429	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	575.2433	[No.]	575.5967
430		575.7003	[<laugh> Um, so-]	577.2437
431	ROC_int_01	575.9931	[<laugh>]	576.7121
432	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	577.4675	so, growing up in the environment I grew up in, I knew I had to get education. Like, I-	582.5023
434		582.6189	for me I saw that as the only way to	584.6368
436		585.7582	do better in terms of the financial	587.9592
438		588.0480	strain that my family was constantly in.	590.4840
440		591.0378	Um, it-	591.5848
442		591.7465	it's just s- school was something I always excelled in and pu- and put a lot of time and effort into.	595.7893
444		596.3348	And so-	597.0510
446		597.1479	hello,	597.4647
448		597.6869	and so, um,	598.6605
450		599.6303	um,	600.3158
452		601.2810	so I always knew I wanted to go to college, but not necessarily /RD-SCHOOL-3/. Again, even though my mom worked there, I didn't actually know,	607.0059
454		607.6354	um, the type of resources and stuff they had. I just knew it cost like fifty thousand to go there. And my mom made less than half	613.9711
456		614.5948	of that.	615.1310
458		615.5600	Uh, and I was like, there's no way I can afford to go there. And so,	617.9707
460		618.7961	because at the time I wanted to be a teacher, I was like, oh maybe I'll go to like St. John Fisher, or some of the smaller schools, um,	624.4650
462		624.9359	that had like scholarships and stuff like that for me. And	627.8211
464		628.3480	I onl- l- I feel like the only reason I really applied to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ honestly is because of people like, um, /RD-NAME-5/ who I talked about before,	635.0195
466		635.4625	just kind of encouraged me, and my other teachers,	637.4768
468		637.8538	um, who went there,	639.1128
470		639.2620	um, just telling me about their experience. And,	641.5328
472		641.8219	so, I kind of applied just to appease their like,	644.3586
474		644.7771	you know, (laughing) efforts in terms of trying to get me to apply.	648.1390
475	ROC_int_01	648.2807	Mm-hm.	648.6311
476	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	648.6100	And then when I got in and realized, oh, they're actually, like-	650.9449
477		651.2200	this might actually be a good place. And then,	653.9152
479		654.4794	I still actually was gonna pick St. John Fisher, but I remember talking to people and saying like, oh you know I got into /RD-SCHOOL-3/, but I'll probably go with	660.9597
481		661.2617	St. John Fisher, and they're like, what? No, you need to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. And then I feel like everyone kept telling me, so I'm like-	665.6914
483		666.2229	But for me it was enough	667.3840
485		667.6451	for me just to go to college.	669.4252
487		669.5539	At that time like I didn- I didn't-	671.0339
489		671.4862	I mean, I was like,	672.1996
491		672.7079	going to college is just a huge feat, just c- from the family I	675.4485
493		676.1753	came from. And so,	677.4442
495		677.8313	I think just like, talking to people and hearing their reaction,	680.6976
497		681.1035	I was like, okay, I guess I'll go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. Like, literally that's like why I went. That's why I chose that	685.8736
499		686.4460	versus like St. John Fisher and it would ma- it made all the difference in terms of like,	691.2534
501		691.7197	the	692.1487
503		692.3527	things that I'm doing now, I don't think I woulda	694.2524
505		694.3479	did those things, had I	695.8872
507		696.4001	like went to a different school.	697.8923
508	ROC_int_01	698.0368	Mm.	698.3492
509	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	698.6465	Um, and so I think just having,	700.2412
511		700.4744	uh,	700.9080
513		701.3790	mentors, and people just kind of guiding me,	704.1476
515		704.4565	an- and like expecting more from me, than I did at-	707.3431
517		707.4908	for myself,	708.4654
519		708.8758	I think made all the difference for me. (laughing)	710.9967
520	ROC_int_01	710.9496	Mm-hm.	711.3553
521	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	711.5884	Yeah.	711.8355
522	ROC_int_01	711.9754	Um, for you, how was your first year adjusting [from like-]	715.7565
523	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	715.1561	[Ooh.]	715.6218
524	ROC_int_01	716.3427	[<laugh>]	717.2803
525	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	716.4693	[<laugh>]	717.8809
526		718.3205	[Um,]	719.1458
527	ROC_int_01	718.3347	[/?/ /RD-SCHOOL-1/]	718.9227
528		719.2251	cause you know I know about it, [/I think/ going to /RD-SCHOOL-2/] and [I mean, that's its own] kind of school, but.	723.4238
529	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	720.4686	[yeah, yeah.]	721.3374
531		721.6931	[Yeah, yeah.]	722.5451
533		723.3972	Yeah, yeah.	724.3951
534	ROC_int_01	724.5437	[And, yeah.]	725.3743
535	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	724.6099	[Yeah, ooh],	725.3510
536	ROC_int_01	725.5000	<cough>	726.1339
537	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	726.1204	um,	726.5400
538		727.3281	oh, I mean,	728.1441
540		728.3819	it was-	729.3273
542		729.9801	it was challenging. It challenged me in every, uh,	733.4726
544		733.8270	way.	734.3119
546		734.8517	So, I remember the- Like, for example the firs- So I majored in mathematics and political science.	740.1254
548		740.6558	So, you v-	741.6482
550		741.9195	political science had somewhat,	743.3417
552		743.6354	uh, more diverse students.	745.3840
554		745.9995	Um, but,	746.9263
556		747.2807	uh, math,	748.2506
558		749.0712	I was,	749.8499
560		750.0551	um, usually the only black student in my class. And so,	753.0475
562		753.6397	um, I remember the first m- class I had,	756.1717
564		756.7545	uh, was calculus one-forty-one,	758.9449
566		759.1361	and	759.5791
568		759.9008	the teacher was going around asking people what school they went to.	762.1530
570		762.7545	Right?	763.1742
572		763.7058	And,	764.1021
574		764.3900	people were talking going to Exeter and all these schools I never heard of at the time. I didn't know	767.9170
576		768.0292	the magnitude of like,	768.9504
578		769.4726	you know, that people actually pay to go to high school, like what?	771.9195
580		772.3998	But you know, people were saying all these schools I never heard of, and I remember	775.2954
582		775.7104	it got around to me, and the teacher asked me like what school I went to, I was li- I was proud that I went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/. And I was like, you know, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High School.	781.6032
584		782.0042	And I could tell on her face, there was this kind of look, and I was like, what? You know, I was kind of-	785.9385
586		786.1996	you know, I didn't know that in terms of the norms, uh, again with the professor, like this-	790.6224
588		790.7355	no one in my family went to college.	792.1204
590		792.3908	So I said- I challenged her and said what? And she's like,	794.3446
592		794.6838	oh, you know, I just don't think you're gonna make it as a math major.	797.2259
594		797.9572	And she said this in front of the entire [class. <laugh>]	800.4472
595	ROC_int_01	799.8623	[What?]	800.6197
596	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	800.7818	Yeah, um,	802.0873
598		802.1806	and I- I had- uh, I don't remember what I said at the time, but I s- I will- I didn't care, I said something back to her.	807.0755
600		807.5791	And, but I was very hurt. And I remember going back to my dorm room and crying and calling my mom.	812.2047
602		812.4040	<laugh>	812.9356
603	ROC_int_01	813.0568	Like [just hearing that breaks] my heart.	815.5049
604	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	813.5382	[uh,]	813.9494
606		814.1759	[yeah.]	814.7495
607		815.5422	<ts> Yeah,	816.0831
609		816.5773	uh, but you know what,	817.9202
611		818.1581	it- it really,	819.1687
613		819.3879	f- f- thankfully I'm the kind of person in which- I- when I'm challenged in that way,	823.2954
615		823.6405	it actually-	824.2653
617		824.3997	it	824.5083
619		824.8237	propels me to work harder,	826.6562
621		827.0619	and so,	827.8219
623		828.1406	she was right in a sense that I was not prepared, um,	831.0195
625		831.3553	for that class.	832.5148
627		832.8521	Because w-	833.3884
629		833.5102	uh, you know like, I took pre-calc, but it just-	836.4425
631		836.9543	you know, /RD-SCHOOL-1/ did not prepare me for college. And so what I did was, I went to her class, /?/ uh,	841.7431
633		842.0974	but I also went to another professor who was teaching it,	844.2412
635		844.7262	and I would go,	845.4862
637		845.6494	not getting credit for it,	846.8897
639		847.2581	I w- I didn't- I don't even think I really told many peo- d- many people this, but	850.3960
641		850.7351	I would go to his class, just to hear the lecture twice.	854.0924
643		854.7359	And like go to office hours and things like that. And I got a A in- in her class and I think,	859.1458
645		859.7147	in part it was because she told me	861.3980
647		861.5321	that I couldn't.	862.2315
649		862.6185	Um, and so I did- I end up doing well in that	864.8726
651		865.0003	class and	865.8406
653		866.2276	a lot of, uh, those math classes, I had very similar experiences. Nothing as daunting, or,	870.4650
655		871.0153	um, traumatic I think, as that first experience, but I definitely had more implicit kind of,	876.6562
657		877.1085	uh, racially, o- um,	879.0856
659		879.3514	things happening in math classes. So, I'd often	881.9008
661		882.3251	sit in the front row, um, to make- to make sure that, like, the professor knew I wasn't cheating. And,	888.3904
663		888.7168	I felt like I often had to do different things that I- I know- knew for sure	893.5045
665		893.8589	that my other classmates didn't have to be concerned about.	896.3442
667		896.7498	Um,	897.3887
669		898.6372	and so, yeah, it wa- it was really unfortunate. And	901.8639
671		902.0924	political science to some extent was like that. I think	904.5337
673		904.9729	it helped that there was more diverse, uh, students in that,	908.2742
675		908.4468	um, major.	909.2581
677		909.7384	And so often, I would have at least one or two other	912.9406
679		913.2810	students, um, even in the higher level classes with me.	916.4786
681		916.9822	Um,	917.4532
683		918.0276	and I had one, uh, black female friend who	920.8058
685		921.0996	was in political science that I think helped- we helped get each other through, like, those are higher level classes, where,	925.6308
687		926.0458	it- we weren't like the only	927.6278
689		927.7649	few students. But in my math classes,	929.3319
691		929.7330	I felt	930.3112
693		930.6749	li- like that first experience very similarly,	933.1742
695		933.5612	uh, throughout all those fourteen classes I had to take.	936.0920
696	ROC_int_01	936.2552	Mm.	936.5536
697	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	936.5909	Um,	937.2391
699		937.8126	but	938.1157
701		938.5120	outside of academics, I was really involved in the Black Student's Union and	942.5583
703		942.8894	other, um, groups. And I think that really helped me	946.2420
705		947.1454	to,	947.8076
707		948.1759	um, understand,	949.6214
709		950.2789	more about my identity and history and that	952.7724
711		953.1641	it's-	953.4439
713		953.6910	and to demand, like,	954.9826
715		955.3790	justice and all these different things and that it's okay	958.2921
717		958.9403	to- to be black on this campus and that,	961.3230
719		961.5795	even though I know that for sure /that/ are people that don't want me there, like I can actually excel here and get something,	967.2158
721		967.6214	uh, from this experience. And so,	969.5425
723		969.8037	I think participating- I remember Jena Six happened. Um, like all these different things happened. We were doing protests and just,	975.2488
725		975.5565	different stuff on campus and I think that really,	977.7516
727		978.4137	uh, made me f- uh, enjoy my experience a lot more. So when I look back on my experience in college, I often	984.9500
729		985.4536	think about BSU and all these other groups. I actually, went to an event they had,	990.0547
731		990.4464	uh, for freshman, just to go because I was in town, and just to,	994.1860
733		994.7304	you know, talk to the students there. And it's- and thankfully it's actually a lot more st- uh,	998.9643
735		999.3374	black and Latino students now, than it definitely was when I was there.	1003.0199
737		1003.4302	Um, um, so I think that was really comforting to see.	1006.8610
739		1007.1175	Ooh sorry.	1007.6149
741		1007.8182	But- um,	1008.5909
743		1009.0013	uh,	1009.5002
745		1009.7893	but yeah, it- uh, it was a crazy experience, and I think	1013.0428
747		1013.5651	there's all these different mix of emotions that goes on. Like-	1016.6473
749		1017.0483	then I get these e-mails about going (laughing) to a happy hour, or,	1019.9428
751		1020.3997	anything like that. Like, I- uh, I'm in Washington DC and so,	1023.5379
753		1023.8736	there's actually a lot of /RD-SCHOOL-3/ st- um, alumni students alumn- al- alumni, yeah,	1029.1695
755		1029.2907	students, um,	1030.1755
757		1030.4880	<ts>	1030.6020
759		1030.8652	in DC.	1031.7520
761		1031.9316	So they often have these, um,	1033.7100
763		1034.2975	happy hours.	1035.2843
765		1036.1336	And I'm always like,	1037.3646
767		1037.5634	do I wanna go and be the only black person again, or?	1040.6986
769		1041.0949	Like I know what kind of students go here. It's a bunch of Ivy League rejects who just think too highly of themself.	1046.6689
771		1046.9383	So like, do I actually wanna be around that? Uh,	1049.2107
773		1049.7003	um, you know, in the past I had to be around that, but do I actually wanna subject myself to that? But I'm glad I went to like one because	1055.9148
775		1056.2925	there was other, like, um, students, like,	1058.7825
777		1058.9131	black students that were there,	1060.4040
779		1060.6838	that graduated b- before me, that happened to be there, that I think,	1063.3650
781		1063.6727	had I not gone to that happy hour, I would not know they were actually in DC. And so it was really cool	1068.1619
783		1068.5676	to reconnect with those people, but it still was the same thing all over again.	1071.4400
785		1072.2781	Me sitting by myself, (laughing)	1073.7796
787		1074.1853	the other black	1074.9948
789		1075.1289	students coming, and being like, oh hey what's up? And like,	1077.6488
791		1077.9937	actually talking to me and not,	1079.4905
793		1080.2226	you know.	1080.8660
795		1081.2111	Again, like,	1081.9152
797		1082.1110	I was again, rendered invisible	1084.2280
799		1084.5766	to these students. Um,	1086.3485
801		1086.9313	and so, it sh- s-	1088.3141
803		1088.3931	it's just like,	1089.3467
805		1089.8165	hard,	1090.4087
807		1090.5999	um,	1091.0195
809		1091.2946	yeah.	1091.6583
810	ROC_int_01	1091.6863	Mm-hm. Now I've never gone to any in San [Francisco],	1095.4881
811	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1094.6846	[<laugh> Yeah.]	1095.8969
812	ROC_int_01	1095.6677	[cause] I'm just like,	1096.5439
813	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1096.5672	Yeah,	1097.0195
814	ROC_int_01	1097.4159	I doubt I'll know anybody, and if I go I	1099.5655
816		1099.8732	don't know if anybody will really talk to me, [you know],	1102.4134
817	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1101.9249	[Yup.]	1102.2140
818	ROC_int_01	1102.8983	yeah.	1103.3319
820		1103.4718	[<laugh>]	1104.1060
821	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1103.5558	[Mm-hm.]	1104.0034
822	ROC_int_01	1104.4277	[I can totally I identify with that. That's] great.	1106.8876
823	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1104.5230	[<laugh> Yes.]	1106.5214
824	ROC_int_01	1107.0720	Now because you said this though, now I'm like oh, well maybe I should check it out. Maybe [like],	1111.7805
825	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1111.6820	[Yeah.]	1112.2369
826	ROC_int_01	1112.7825	yeah,	1113.2255
828		1113.5892	okay,	1114.0042
829	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1114.0543	I [think it might] be worth it. I was really shocked to- to see	1117.1645
830	ROC_int_01	1114.2018	[/cool/.]	1114.4760
831	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1117.5981	like three or four people that I	1119.4586
833		1120.0963	knew in college, like, pretty well. And I had no idea that they were there.	1123.4676
835		1123.7893	And I had just got to DC, so I was trying to kind of build my network,	1127.1408
837		1127.5418	of people.	1128.3764
839		1129.1318	Um, so I'm glad I went,	1130.4794
840	ROC_int_01	1130.7638	Yeah.	1131.2022
841	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1131.2255	you know.	1131.6824
842	ROC_int_01	1132.1820	Okay, [that's cool.]	1133.3553
843	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1132.9630	[<laugh>]	1134.3859
844	ROC_int_01	1134.0928	[Well], were you in the /RD-SCHOOL-1/ program? [Or-]	1136.1615
845	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1135.8965	[Yeah] I [was], yep, yep, [yep. I was in the] /RD-SCHOOL-4/	1139.2387
846	ROC_int_01	1136.2986	[okay],	1136.7164
848		1137.3765	[okay, cool.]	1137.9810
849		1139.5045	Okay, [yeah that's what I thought, okay.]	1141.1949
850	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1139.8775	[Yeah, <laugh> yeah], yeah.	1141.7240
851	ROC_int_01	1141.8406	Cool, so do you still talk to like, /RD-NAME-1/ and-	1144.5672
852	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1144.5719	Uh-uh, no.	1145.4578
853	ROC_int_01	1145.6444	Yeah.	1146.0733
854	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1146.3671	I feel,	1147.1598
856		1147.8825	I have a very negative view of her, cause I feel,	1151.1827
858		1151.7236	like, I think she's a nice woman, but I feel,	1154.7405
860		1155.9669	like-	1157.0382
862		1158.3718	like,	1158.6515
864		1159.2391	she tried to take over OMSA	1161.1415
866		1161.9611	like the Office of Minority Student Affairs.	1164.3438
868		1164.8614	And I feel like, if you're a white person and you're working on behalf of students of color,	1171.1971
870		1171.7567	I think	1172.2090
872		1172.4374	she doesn't bring enough humility in	1174.7304
874		1175.2060	the understanding that	1176.4277
876		1176.8474	you are only gonna understand our experience to the extent that we allow you	1181.0149
878		1181.4159	to view them,	1182.0640
880		1182.4417	and there's certain things that you n- just never gonna know	1184.8524
882		1185.1975	as a white woman,	1186.2500
884		1186.5579	that, uh, we have to deal with.	1188.7679
886		1189.2997	And I think that once I left,	1191.3700
888		1191.5798	you know, sh- it just always-	1192.5952
890		1192.8657	she always made it seem that she was gonna like,	1194.4650
892		1194.8054	check up on us, and stuff like that. But once I left, it was- she was only concerned	1198.6978
894		1199.0475	about what fellowships I was getting	1200.9127
896		1201.2111	if I graduated, and like, she was just concerned about the numbers,	1204.5486
898		1204.7677	to get, like, more grants. And,	1206.2785
900		1206.8008	I, um,	1208.3815
902		1209.3292	yeah, I mean I- if I am on campus I'll say hello to her, but I don't feel,	1212.6422
904		1213.2064	like,	1213.8219
906		1214.6659	any connection to [her]	1216.2187
907	ROC_int_01	1215.8350	[Mm-hm.]	1216.3645
908	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1216.4973	anymore. If anything, like, I'll go talk to, like, the people in the OMSA office, like, yesterday, when I was on campus I saw Mr. /RD-NAME-1/	1222.1056
910		1222.5066	and /RD-NAME-4/, so I like talked to them. But I think,	1224.9640
912		1225.5355	that,	1226.0484
914		1226.2198	y-	1226.3690
916		1226.5928	you know, she just has a lack of self awareness in my opinion, as a white woman working on these types of issues.	1232.6126
918		1233.0638	Um,	1233.8331
920		1234.9149	yeah.	1235.4372
921	ROC_int_01	1235.8988	Yeah [I-] I go back and [visit /RD-NAME-1/] cause he was [my advisor, so.]	1239.5467
922	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1236.5877	[<laugh>]	1236.7645
924		1237.3284	[<laugh>]	1237.7377
926		1238.2986	[Y- yeah, okay, yeah.]	1239.8192
927	ROC_int_01	1240.2155	Yeah but I haven't really been up there as much, unless I'm like- they ask me if I'm around to	1244.7950
929		1245.0172	teach a class, or something like that.	1247.2926
930	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1247.3113	Yeah.	1247.6750
931	ROC_int_01	1248.1413	Yeah.	1248.5563
932	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1249.0179	[Yeah.]	1249.4143
933	ROC_int_01	1249.2750	[Yeah.]	1249.5753
934		1249.7453	Okay, cool.	1250.6248
936		1250.9577	But I find [myself-] I meet a lot of other like /RD-SCHOOL-4/.	1254.4843
937	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1251.6365	[<laugh>]	1251.9390
939		1254.4677	Uh-huh.	1254.7848
940	ROC_int_01	1254.9873	Just,	1255.5932
942		1255.9132	in the field, [you know.]	1257.3820
943	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1256.7432	[Uh-huh.]	1257.0556
944	ROC_int_01	1257.7772	Which is kind of cool, I- [like to have] that connection with other people. [Like,]	1261.7121
945	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1259.3809	[Yeah.]	1259.8570
947		1261.3976	[Yeah.]	1261.7143
948	ROC_int_01	1262.1697	um, who have been through the program too, so.	1264.4953
950		1264.7844	Um,	1265.2693
952		1265.4652	<ts> okay, yeah so, let's talk a little bit about grad school then.	1268.5896
953	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1268.5563	Oh, okay, ooh. [<laugh>]	1270.6725
954	ROC_int_01	1269.3027	[Yeah. <laugh>]	1270.6625
955	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1271.5351	Yeah.	1272.0014
956	ROC_int_01	1273.0272	What, uh, made you decide to, um-	1275.4781
957	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1275.5177	[/RD-SCHOOL-3/] actually. [Yeah], so that's why I'm not-	1278.4537
958	ROC_int_01	1277.0595	[/Okay/.]	1277.4325
959	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1279.1718	I don't think /RD-NAME-1/ is like a bad person, I just don't-	1281.7644
961		1282.6165	so and I think her in- bu- uh, but as well as other people who work on the staff, like really,	1286.9344
963		1287.3307	uh, made the difference, uh, for my decision to go to grad school. But it really,	1291.6194
965		1292.0111	was my advisor, /RD-NAME-8/ I don't know if you know her, [while she was] there.	1296.5330
966	ROC_int_01	1295.8056	[Yeah.]	1296.1693
967		1296.5796	[Mm-hm.]	1296.9881
968	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1296.8967	[So] she was the only black professor I think I had at /RD-SCHOOL-3/ maybe one of two.	1302.3604
969		1303.1951	Um, and so, actually, when I came in, like, I came in as a math major,	1307.2926
971		1307.6377	and I was- you know, you have to take other courses so I was taking political science, but it was just kind of like,	1312.0803
973		1312.7171	j- just taking it, I didn't really know that I w- I would be that interested in political science.	1317.1535
975		1317.9451	And so when I did /RD-SCHOOL-2/, you know, you have to have a mentor in a- a-	1322.5613
977		1322.7105	a discipline. I'm like,	1324.0710
979		1324.7051	I had a terrible experience in math. I lo- I really enjoyed math, but I just didn't have	1328.8566
981		1329.1955	like a professor that I would think that actually would believe in my ability to do mathematical research.	1334.7199
982	ROC_int_01	1334.7665	Mm.	1335.0701
983	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1335.0463	Or even just do math in general. (laughing)	1336.9616
984		1337.3832	Um, and so, I was like, okay, I- I don't think,	1339.6288
986		1340.0857	you know,	1340.8038
988		1341.0591	I wanna do my /RD-SCHOOL-2/ project in math.	1343.7369
990		1344.2112	Um, and so I was like, okay I'll just do political science, and okay, I'll do it with /RD-NAME-8/ she's,	1349.3411
992		1349.7335	like,	1349.8755
994		1350.1165	/black/ professor. Like, she's pretty cool.	1351.8945
996		1352.2676	Um, and so I, um, partnered with her,	1355.0362
998		1355.4465	and, um, that really made the difference, to kind of see, um, someone who looked like me, and to-	1360.2342
1000		1360.6445	to see that, this is something that I could possibly	1363.5402
1002		1363.6847	do.	1364.0997
1004		1364.5893	And then so, I think through that experience, it really was transformative.	1368.0993
1006		1368.5097	Um,	1369.1065
1008		1369.3443	and so, that's when I	1370.4774
1010		1371.1022	decided to- to- to ge- to possibly go to grad school.	1374.6868
1012		1374.9946	The whole time I kept saying, I don't wanna go to school for another five to seven years. [Like I don't really],	1379.5351
1013	ROC_int_01	1378.4393	[<laugh>]	1379.5211
1014	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1380.0900	you know, I don't know about this. But, um,	1382.3562
1016		1383.1255	<ts> but I	1383.6245
1018		1383.9637	would go through all the steps, take the GRE, apply to grad school. Again, the whole time,	1388.2443
1020		1388.5800	it's not that I'm doubting my capability of doing grad school, but it's just that,	1391.6843
1022		1392.0340	the time that it took,	1393.4609
1024		1394.0204	you know. It just was un-	1395.2043
1026		1395.4738	imaginable for me to go to grad school, because no one in	1398.3325
1028		1398.6402	my family went to college. So, I thought if I go to college,	1400.8038
1030		1401.2328	I'll get like a good job after. And that will be,	1403.8475
1032		1404.0807	like enough,	1404.7801
1034		1405.2044	um, and so, the whole time when I'm applying to these grad programs, I'm	1408.9289
1036		1409.4139	very skeptical that I'll	1410.9153
1038		1411.5635	get in I- I guess, but	1413.0882
1040		1413.3249	more so the fact that I didn't want to go to school for another,	1416.5097
1042		1417.0599	five s- five to seven years. Um,	1419.7216
1044		1420.6119	and I knew that would bring a different set of challenges	1424.3095
1046		1424.7012	in that, I would be in this new place, where I didn't know anyone.	1428.0061
1048		1428.4817	Um,	1429.2790
1050		1429.4282	cause I dang sure was not gonna go to Rochester for grad school.	1433.1621
1051	ROC_int_01	1433.1574	Right.	1433.7636
1052	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1434.1339	[<laugh>]	1434.8407
1053	ROC_int_01	1434.6449	[I] feel you on that. [<laugh>]	1436.7118
1054	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1436.1790	[Um,]	1436.7898
1055		1437.4461	so, uh, yeah.	1439.0875
1057		1440.3045	But- Yeah.	1441.0133
1058	ROC_int_01	1441.4329	Yeah. And so, um, you went to Penn, or-	1444.8026
1059	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1444.7704	No, I- [/RD-SCHOOL-12/]	1446.2725
1060	ROC_int_01	1446.0061	[/RD-SCHOOL-3/, /RD-SCHOOL-3/ okay, cool.]	1447.7238
1061	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1446.6128	[yes, yeah,]	1447.2850
1063		1447.4852	[uh-huh.]	1447.7966
1064	ROC_int_01	1448.0913	Okay, and,	1449.1124
1066		1449.2617	so, when you made that transition, what was it like?	1452.1795
1068		1452.3147	Did you like /RD-SCHOOL-3/, or, [e- or], es- especially, like, in comparison to the /RD-SCHOOL-9/. What kind of-	1457.7183
1069	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1453.8817	[M-]	1454.0459
1070		1457.7260	Oh, um,	1458.8043
1072		1460.2032	so, when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	1461.6673
1074		1462.4962	I, um, did like- had like a- kind of like a- similar to like a bridge program sort of, I guess.	1468.4884
1076		1469.0091	Um, cause I got this fellowship, and part of the fellowship was that	1472.5203
1078		1472.9213	you could possibly go earlier	1474.8972
1080		1475.1490	and	1475.7505
1082		1476.2121	like, get more acclimated, and stuff like that, and I chose to do that because	1479.3736
1084		1479.7097	I didn't know anyone in Michigan and so I thought this would be a good opportunity to meet other students	1484.0917
1086		1484.4880	of color or just like, /minority/ students, before the semester.	1487.6810
1088		1488.1006	And so, I decided to go earlier,	1490.2409
1090		1490.3994	although I did wanna work to, like, make money, cause I didn't have any,	1493.4058
1092		1493.7975	money to like,	1494.7534
1094		1495.1638	even move	1496.2785
1096		1496.4041	from Rochester to Michigan.	1498.0781
1098		1498.3969	Um, but the good thing (laughing) about that program was that they	1500.7237
1100		1500.8449	gave you f- uh, like f-	1502.0888
1102		1502.7462	like some money to move before.	1504.5111
1104		1504.8373	So, I was like, okay, cool, I'll do this. They're paying me to like,	1507.2879
1106		1507.9908	take classes, or like, do research. Like, fine, I'll do this. And	1511.5113
1108		1512.0196	I- I met like people in my program and stuff like that.	1514.9794
1110		1515.6462	And compared to /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	1518.2947
1112		1519.1329	it's so different, right? Because /RD-SCHOOL-3/ is so small. It's like,	1521.9296
1114		1522.0430	five thousand students.	1523.1304
1116		1523.5984	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ is this Big Ten school,	1525.3672
1118		1525.6724	twenty-five thousand	1526.8102
1120		1527.0340	undergrad students, fifteen thousand grad students. So, it's this massive,	1530.3773
1122		1530.8483	uh,	1531.4067
1124		1532.2087	campus. But it's a coll- very much a college town.	1534.7313
1126		1535.0018	And Rochester, to a certain extent is sort of getting that way, with how their-	1538.5491
1128		1538.9781	all the construction that they're doing.	1540.5028
1130		1540.9365	Um,	1541.3515
1132		1541.6732	but I think	1542.9938
1134		1543.7564	that	1544.2273
1136		1545.1459	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ was very different in the sense that	1547.3745
1138		1547.6173	in that town, in /RD-SCHOOL-6/,	1549.7284
1140		1550.0735	uh, a super majority of the population is college educated.	1553.0810
1142		1553.5333	Uh, you know, I didn't see, like, neighborhoods that I saw, like, growing up, like, where I grew up it was nothing like that.	1560.5219
1144		1560.8856	And so I think	1561.3787
1146		1561.5092	it was very different in a sense that, like, it was not a lot of people of color.	1565.1230
1148		1565.4121	It's mostly white people who are college educated in terms of the surrounding	1568.3532
1150		1568.7822	area. Whereas Rochester is just very different. Although, the campus likes to	1573.4952
1152		1573.7470	pretend that it's in this bubble, that somehow is	1576.1438
1154		1576.5774	not connected to the Rochester community, which drives me nuts.	1579.5838
1156		1580.0222	Um,	1580.5211
1158		1581.1602	<ts>	1581.2336
1160		1581.2998	but in terms of the actual campus itself,	1583.8317
1162		1584.8518	I think that, um,	1586.4651
1164		1587.1039	it was just a huge transition, because	1588.8945
1166		1589.2629	grad school is just so different than undergrad.	1591.1594
1168		1591.4719	You know, you don't have this advisor that's like looking out for you and stuff like that.	1594.4562
1170		1594.8152	But again, I think what made the difference for me is I had that one black professor.	1598.5491
1172		1598.9501	Um, who I felt was really looking out for me the whole time, throughout my	1602.9881
1174		1603.2248	graduate	1603.9755
1176		1604.1714	tenure.	1604.7449
1178		1605.2532	Um, and so, I think that that really made the difference.	1608.1302
1180		1608.5685	Um,	1609.0721
1182		1609.2061	and again, it's kind of the same thing	1610.8866
1184		1611.0334	in terms of	1611.9433
1186		1612.9831	people questioning my ability.	1614.5195
1188		1614.6277	So, I remember coming in.	1615.9475
1190		1616.2739	So, political science a- actually a very quantitative program. A lot of people may not know that.	1620.4426
1192		1620.8389	And so, coming in with this math background, although it was- it wa- it- you know, it was difficult to get, um,	1625.5193
1194		1625.7991	I was- a- actually I had a huge advantage compared to my classmates. And so,	1629.4956
1196		1629.9769	I remember	1630.6292
1198		1630.8278	like, um,	1631.7166
1200		1631.9101	coming in,	1632.6878
1202		1632.8913	getting	1633.2450
1204		1633.4452	like-	1633.6960
1206		1634.1017	I didn't really like- you know, people would pair off and stuff like that. And of course all the white people work to-	1638.3578
1208		1638.6096	together. And it was like, maybe, like, me and another	1640.6564
1210		1640.8032	black girl and a few	1641.8969
1212		1642.3201	like, uh, Asian American students.	1644.3811
1214		1644.8847	Um,	1645.5049
1216		1646.4654	but, you know, no one- b- even the other black gir- or,	1649.1175
1218		1649.6910	not necessarily, because I actually knew her from this other program.	1652.6053
1220		1653.0389	But I feel like,	1653.7524
1222		1654.0170	outside of her I felt like a lot of people,	1656.1480
1224		1657.0805	didn't think I could do the statistics and math work. And so when I would get the	1660.9589
1226		1662.1106	problem sets done, or get the homework done, they'd be like, how do you know how to do this? I'm like oh, I have a bachelor's in math.	1667.0102
1228		1667.3646	And they're like, what? You know, because no one- when you hear math, you don't see, like a black woman's face.	1671.1554
1229	ROC_int_01	1671.2290	Mm.	1671.5573
1230	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1671.5743	You know, and so, I think a lot of people didn't- didn't	1673.6235
1232		1674.3205	realize, like, that I was able to	1676.6053
1234		1676.7965	keep up with the work I guess.	1678.2548
1236		1678.7025	Um, and so,	1679.9101
1238		1680.3718	all of a sudden, when they found that out, I got all these new friends, you know. (laughing)	1683.3047
1240		1683.6498	And I remember, like, basically, like, almost tutoring some of my classmates, like in some of the	1688.3349
1242		1688.6566	like, g- uh, game theory and like, very like, um, mathy classes.	1693.4676
1244		1693.8266	Um,	1694.6473
1246		1695.3840	you know, and then once they were- once the classes /are done/ they were gone, you know.	1699.0153
1248		1699.2670	And so I- I kind of, uh, knew that, but, um,	1702.2315
1250		1703.1081	it actually helped me, even though, like,	1705.1505
1252		1705.4955	I knew what they were doing actually helped me to become a better student, I think, actually	1709.0848
1254		1709.5464	in that I- when you're able to, like, teach something to someone else that shows that you really-	1713.6498
1256		1714.0077	really know your-	1715.0242
1258		1715.2107	your stuff.	1715.9474
1260		1716.5023	Um, but it was a lot of similar experience. Um,	1719.0658
1262		1719.3829	I think it- it can also feel more personal in grad school though, because,	1723.2764
1264		1723.7380	uh, it's very much an isolated experience. It's really about you and your own work and your own capabilities, where I feel like,	1730.2229
1266		1730.7685	um, in undergrad I f-	1732.0543
1268		1732.3854	felt more of a	1733.6234
1270		1733.8169	community in terms of the	1735.7473
1272		1736.7164	day to day oppression I was experiencing. I'm like, I know that	1739.9195
1274		1740.1200	like	1740.4277
1276		1740.7961	everyone else is going through this too. I think it can be-	1743.3404
1278		1743.5739	it- it's very easy	1744.8423
1280		1745.0102	to internalize that	1746.5909
1282		1747.1038	um,	1747.8173
1284		1747.9385	those feelings, um, in grad school, because	1750.3434
1286		1750.6558	a lot of times, people /would/ personally attack your work and, like, the things you're interested in,	1754.7592
1288		1755.2628	especially if you're a person of color, studying communities of color,	1758.4909
1290		1758.9733	you know.	1759.5049
1292		1759.7613	When a white person does it, it's like, oh, this is so interesting and like,	1763.3506
1294		1763.6630	you're so,	1764.2645
1296		1764.5816	objective, because you're not black, or a person of color. And it's like,	1767.7349
1298		1767.8491	no, like, you can actually do objective work and be black and like,	1771.7147
1300		1772.3442	that's fine. And so I think,	1773.6638
1302		1773.9948	those different things, were just much more personal in terms of	1777.4852
1304		1778.4701	just trying to justify, like, why you're studying stuff. So /when like/ you know, like,	1782.0780
1306		1782.5070	the other white people in your program, if they study similar things, or if they	1786.0648
1308		1786.3387	just studied white people,	1787.5200
1310		1787.6968	even though they don't call it that,	1789.0013
1312		1789.3417	you know, they don't get these sort of question in terms of- of your motives.	1792.8657
1314		1793.2340	Um,	1793.9148
1316		1794.6749	so yeah, I think-	1796.0318
1318		1797.1415	yeah.	1797.6263
1319	ROC_int_01	1798.2175	Yeah.	1798.6418
1321		1799.6071	[<laugh>]	1800.4062
1322	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1800.2073	[<laugh>]	1800.5176
1323	ROC_int_01	1800.8520	[Well, um,]	1801.8374
1324	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1801.1365	[<laugh>]	1801.7660
1325		1802.3349	Sorry, [that was like a long response.]	1804.0042
1326	ROC_int_01	1802.8966	[no, so-]	1803.8130
1327		1804.1009	<laugh> [no, that was] good, um, and t- and you know me, I have to be- [ask] a selfish [question. Cause I'm] in	1810.5524
1328	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1804.4413	[<laugh>]	1804.9636
1330		1808.0551	[Yeah.]	1808.4654
1332		1809.4027	[Sure, sure, sure.]	1810.2500
1333	ROC_int_01	1810.7957	grad school [in my dissertation phase, so,]	1813.3277
1334	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1811.4439	[Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.]	1813.2904
1335	ROC_int_01	1813.6028	[you know], how for you [was the] dissertation phase?	1816.7398
1336	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1813.7660	[Uh-huh.]	1814.0411
1338		1815.0809	[Mm-hm.]	1815.4539
1340		1816.4273	<ts>	1816.5157
1341		1816.8517	Yeah.	1817.5185
1343		1817.6770	Ooh,	1818.0138
1345		1818.6562	I think that's the thing that's challenging, right? Like,	1821.2954
1347		1821.5834	you go g- you get in grad school because you did well in your course work in undergrad. So like, you know how to be a student,	1826.6006
1349		1826.9270	you know how to take classes,	1828.3947
1351		1828.8796	you know,	1829.2464
1353		1829.3698	you're amazing at that, you know, that's why you got into grad school.	1831.8219
1355		1832.1343	And so I think once-	1833.1788
1357		1833.3654	And I think what was also difficult for me, I actually lost my mother when I was in grad school.	1836.7075
1358	ROC_int_01	1836.7075	Ah.	1837.0181
1359	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	1837.1458	And so, uh, that was just really challenging. Um,	1840.4646
1361		1840.8843	in terms of like, I've-	1842.1153
1363		1842.5443	you know,	1843.1411
1365		1843.2950	just in terms of that whole thing. I could talk about that later.	1845.7757
1367		1846.1114	But I think, like, once you get into dissertation phase, like,	1848.7215
1369		1849.6447	it is really really difficult, because you don't- you don't n- you're not trained to know how to do	1854.6329
1371		1854.8241	this type of process. Um,	1856.8944
1373		1857.3560	think it's just- um,	1859.2387
1375		1860.5676	yeah it was just really- it's a really rough transition. Like, uh, people in my program call, like, that	1864.9682
1377		1865.5418	year from taking classes to dissertation, like, the-	1868.6846
1379		1869.0296	the, like, wandering year, or whatever. Because, like,	1871.4951
1381		1871.8589	you know, it's like, what am I supposed to do with all this time now that I have? Like, I don't	1875.9669
1383		1876.2875	have classes when I'm expected to be working all the time.	1878.9313
1385		1879.8499	Um,	1880.2789
1387		1880.5400	p-	1880.6799
1389		1881.1136	it's just really challenging, and so for me, I think	1883.7469
1391		1885.1458	it was just really hard. Um,	1886.7312
1393		1887.0343	c- so, my program we have to like, write a proposal that	1889.7050
1395		1890.2179	depending on your advisor, can be a substantial proposal /sort of lines/.	1893.9564
1397		1894.3854	My advisor wanted, like a pretty substantial proposal.	1897.1132
1399		1897.5841	And I think it was just really, uh,	1899.5286
1401		1899.8783	hard, because,	1901.1081
1403		1902.1480	you know, like I said, you're not taught to do this. And so, it's just	1904.6706
1405		1905.2534	constantly questioning yourself. Especially because I studied black and Latino	1910.1716
1407		1910.5307	politicians for my dissertation. And so,	1912.8050
1409		1914.2226	you know, again, the ment- doing the mental work of, like,	1916.8618
1411		1917.8223	I feel like sometimes, implicitly, or explicitly people want you to explain, like, why you're doing this work and s-	1923.0734
1413		1923.4571	and sort of	1924.1086
1415		1924.3387	do it in a way to make sure you cover your bases.	1926.7308
1417		1927.0899	Um, constantly checking your stuff, cause again, I think- I feel like people,	1930.3154
1419		1930.9309	um, think that you're doing this, or you have some kind of	1933.3451
1421		1933.5019	vested interest, um,	1935.3840
1423		1935.7430	to get l- s- or to see a certain result. And so I think,	1938.4790
1425		1938.9686	that mental work and then also, like,	1941.0016
1427		1942.1709	p- like doing different presentations, or trying to get feedback from other people	1946.0318
1429		1946.3488	in our program, I think, was some- some- ch- sometimes challenging, but	1949.8449
1431		1950.1713	luckily we had, like-	1951.0572
1433		1951.5561	we didn't have, like, that diverse of a,	1953.6591
1435		1954.1009	um, program. Like it was like maybe six other black people, out of, like, over a hundred students. It was not	1959.3607
1437		1959.7337	a lot of	1960.0928
1439		1960.7491	black people or- and then like, maybe one or two Latinos, but	1963.4163
1441		1963.7100	I think we would get together and like, provide feedback for each other's, like,	1967.9941
1443		1968.6236	um,	1969.0899
1445		1969.6168	dissertation, or projects. And so, I think that really helped	1972.0508
1447		1972.3714	my transition and like,	1974.1899
1449		1974.3345	you know, writing the dissertation phase.	1976.1064
1451		1976.4841	But it was just very challenging.	1978.1021
1453		1978.5672	Um, and so, what I- I would-	1980.0221
1455		1980.2459	w- what I did is just kind of made it a job.	1982.2742
1457		1982.7778	And so I said, I work best in the mornings, so I would go to campus at six A.M.	1987.0899
1459		1987.5142	And I would work, um, because no one was there	1990.9403
1461		1991.2807	at least 'til, like, ten. So, I know at least in those four hours I can get some, like,	1994.4995
1463		1994.9224	really good stuff done. And so, I just would go and work on it everyday,	1998.1666
1465		1998.5909	and just come up with different, like,	2000.5027
1467		2001.0856	superficial deadlines and different things that I wanted to do.	2004.0127
1469		2004.4510	And make different, like, short term and long term gro- goals.	2007.2768
1471		2007.5600	And that really helped me,	2008.6139
1473		2009.0009	but I felt like, um,	2010.3811
1475		2010.6422	because there's all this pressure to like, spend all this	2013.0110
1477		2013.4295	extraordinary time, on stuff, or to stay late. I feel like people really value that in my program. And I'm just like,	2018.4561
1479		2019.1555	you know, I tried to do that, but then I realized like, no. I need to do what works for me and what works for me is to- to get up really early and to go.	2025.1415
1481		2025.5472	And somehow people were always impressed that I would come early, but I just like, no, I'm just going.	2029.6788
1483		2029.9805	But I would also, like, leave earlier too, because at a certain point I was tired.	2033.7423
1485		2034.1853	And also, um, there's just like a lot of people and stuff like that. And so for me, I just made it a job and just kind of worked on it	2039.3739
1487		2039.7190	and met with my advisors and	2041.8546
1489		2042.1530	kept me honest about the different goals I had, but	2044.3387
1491		2044.8423	it was definitely times,	2046.6282
1493		2046.8940	especially after my mom passed away where	2048.8478
1495		2049.1975	it was just really difficult to,	2050.9636
1497		2051.2294	try to,	2052.1480
1499		2052.7262	you know, have that motivation to work	2054.5540
1501		2054.9457	on that- uh, on the dissertation because there's no one like, watching over you.	2059.0013
1502	ROC_int_01	2060.2043	Yeah, yeah.	2061.2861
1504		2062.0077	I totally, [<laugh>]	2064.2738
1505	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2063.1029	[<laugh>]	2064.1439
1506	ROC_int_01	2064.7541	[relate, like], yeah, but I'm just kind of like, right now, in data collection, [/phase so it's just/] like,	2070.8313
1507	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2065.1924	[you just-]	2065.6820
1509		2069.3198	[Yeah, yeah, yeah.]	2070.4371
1510	ROC_int_01	2071.6681	get as much as you can. [<laugh>]	2073.9042
1511	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2073.1089	[Yeah, yeah, yeah.]	2074.2047
1512	ROC_int_01	2074.3760	Um,	2074.9227
1514		2075.1463	but,	2075.8770
1516		2076.2599	uh, wh- what was the question I was gonna ask?	2078.4421
1518		2078.8571	Um, oh, I wanted to ask, so,	2081.0195
1520		2081.4299	in your program, at what point did you decide, okay,	2084.2276
1522		2084.3815	I do, or don't wanna do academia?	2086.3807
1523	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2086.4273	<ts> Oh, yeah.	2087.4998
1525		2087.9894	Um,	2088.7355
1527		2090.0458	I think it was, b- when my mom passed away.	2092.9216
1529		2094.5536	Um, so for me,	2095.8779
1531		2096.1157	I think it was /sure/	2097.2581
1533		2097.4679	I think so, I think initially,	2099.1594
1535		2099.4905	I began questioning it maybe	2101.3696
1537		2101.8499	when I started writing my dissertation, I got more familiar just kind of with	2105.8262
1539		2106.3391	the trajectory of the people of color in my discipline in terms of	2110.5078
1541		2110.9822	them	2111.4159
1543		2111.6770	having	2112.4557
1545		2113.7287	everything they needed	2114.8944
1547		2115.1975	typically for tenure. And then actually	2117.2294
1549		2117.9381	not getting it	2119.0945
1551		2119.2997	a lot of times. And	2120.7172
1553		2120.9877	it was very clear that,	2122.4460
1555		2123.5744	um,	2124.1573
1557		2124.7075	you know, it- in part, I think it was because	2127.3654
1559		2127.9191	of them being a person of color, /sending/ people of color, and then	2132.0038
1561		2132.1716	just maybe, pure racism	2134.0555
1563		2134.2175	and discrimination.	2135.2387
1565		2135.6350	Um, and so I think	2137.4552
1567		2138.3675	for me it was hard because	2140.2500
1569		2140.6885	a lot of the professors that I would see, with the exception of my advisor, there was actually not a lot of senior black	2146.4087
1571		2146.8983	professors, or l- Latino professors, like they would often not get tenure and things like that.	2151.1882
1573		2151.7264	And then,	2152.3245
1575		2152.4542	more than that,	2153.5403
1577		2154.2444	I think it was just when I taught.	2156.3527
1579		2156.9710	I did	2157.3767
1581		2157.5585	fine teaching, but it was just	2159.6988
1583		2160.0485	challenging,	2160.8925
1585		2161.2609	uh, not in terms of the work,	2163.4047
1587		2163.5259	but in terms of the mental capacity.	2165.1486
1589		2165.6009	Um, because being a black woman, um,	2168.2354
1591		2168.7565	you know, people don't expect you to be a professor, you think professor, you think of a old white man, you know. You don't think of a black woman with a afro.	2173.8671
1593		2174.4173	Um,	2175.2100
1595		2175.5679	and, you know, I just /?/	2176.4911
1597		2176.7616	they would just challenge me with dumb stuff and I'm like, I don't want my job to depend on eighteen and nineteen year olds.	2182.5937
1599		2183.1766	Um,	2184.1185
1601		2184.6640	but then more than that, I felt like as a professor, I thought the impact that I could make-	2189.4796
1603		2190.1760	um, given like the things that I've been through, I thought the impact that I could make,	2193.4260
1605		2193.8410	on the lived experience of people of color I thought was very limited, in terms of,	2198.2416
1607		2198.5400	you know, these certain, uh, students of color actually being able to even make it to this level	2203.6401
1609		2204.0271	of graduate school, or undergrad.	2205.9995
1611		2206.3306	Um, so I just wanted to make a larger impact on, like, social justice issues. And I felt like,	2211.2581
1613		2211.6498	it would be very difficult to do that, from the perspective, of being a faculty member.	2216.3302
1615		2216.7452	And so I think it's just all these different things at once and I feel like,	2219.4933
1617		2219.7656	when I lost my mom,	2221.0712
1619		2221.3976	I think I- it- it kept me honest about a lot of things it- it showed me the- how limited our time is	2226.8474
1621		2227.0293	and- uh, on this earth and- and like what we wanna do to, like, make a impact. And so,	2231.6677
1623		2232.3141	<ts>	2232.3942
1625		2232.7215	I was like, I don't wanna be a professor. So, I gotta be honest about that. And so,	2235.8969
1627		2236.3865	I think for me,	2237.7236
1629		2238.0407	um,	2238.8381
1631		2240.7032	I knew I could do it, but I just didn't want to.	2242.9368
1633		2243.4392	And I think I'm okay,	2245.2362
1635		2245.3626	w- with, uh, living with that decision.	2247.5612
1636	ROC_int_01	2247.6498	Mm-hm.	2248.0644
1637	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2248.0344	Uh, and I think it probably disappointed, um,	2250.6096
1638		2251.0806	some of my faculty members.	2252.6706
1640		2252.8525	But thing about it is, like, this is my life	2255.2531
1642		2255.6117	and I have to choose how I wanna live it and what kind of impact I wanna make.	2258.7898
1644		2259.1742	And it's not to say that I don't think it's purpose, in terms of diversity with faculty members. I think it's	2264.1472
1646		2264.4514	super super important. I wish I had more,	2266.5404
1648		2266.8470	uh,	2267.2667
1650		2267.5511	p-	2267.6304
1652		2267.7535	fa- faculty of color when I was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/, e- or especially in grad school too, but,	2272.0182
1654		2272.5684	um, I just	2273.4159
1656		2273.7656	didn't feel like,	2274.7402
1658		2275.5375	<ts> um,	2276.0831
1660		2277.3514	that was the means in which I could-	2279.3273
1662		2279.8682	I wanted to make my impact.	2281.5328
1664		2281.9339	Not that you can't, but it's just challenging.	2283.9576
1666		2284.2793	Especially my- my discipline is just an old white man's club.	2287.3230
1668		2288.3535	Um,	2288.8664
1670		2289.5146	yeah.	2289.8503
1671	ROC_int_01	2290.3539	Yeah.	2290.7689
1673		2291.2993	[/inaudible/. Mm-hm.]	2292.6811
1674	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2291.5214	[Academia in general.]	2292.6049
1675		2292.9453	Um, it just- it tra- attracts a- a different kind of personality. I think in some ways I have some of the	2298.1620
1677		2298.4417	personality traits of an aca-	2299.9158
1679		2300.0358	academic, but I	2301.0110
1681		2301.6918	also care about social /jus-/ justice issues. And I feel	2304.7635
1683		2304.9313	like,	2305.3836
1685		2305.8872	um, you know, you're not	2307.3327
1687		2307.4306	r- if anything you're- you're punished for,	2309.6211
1689		2310.0034	um, speaking out about those things, especially as a	2312.8012
1691		2312.9457	faculty member that's not tenured.	2314.8401
1693		2315.5091	And, um,	2316.5769
1695		2318.0458	yeah, I just didn't want it.	2319.1695
1696	ROC_int_01	2319.6638	Yeah.	2320.0928
1697	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2320.9170	I didn't wanna do- I- I could do it, but I didn't want to.	2323.4629
1699		2323.8080	I think dealing with those students was really a profound moment.	2326.9041
1701		2327.3131	You know, having- having students ask me,	2329.1924
1703		2329.5562	can we- can you, uh,	2330.8944
1705		2331.3604	do a review before the quiz?	2332.8527
1707		2333.0242	No, I can't do a review before the quiz.	2334.6749
1709		2335.1272	Or, um, you know, s- uh, one student like copied from Wikipedia.	2339.0300
1711		2339.4566	And I caught him.	2340.1759
1713		2340.3578	He said he	2341.1785
1715		2341.8055	made that entry to Wikipedia.	2343.3037
1717		2343.8690	Like, you know, just like,	2344.8621
1719		2345.2480	really? You know, (laughing) so, just	2346.9966
1721		2347.8592	like I said, the- the-	2349.0529
1723		2350.3865	the just mental capacity it takes, to just be challenged	2354.0597
1725		2354.7359	in every single way. Not- not in terms of your-	2357.6630
1727		2357.9903	your ability, which I'm actually okay with, /cause/ people being j- but- but just	2361.8034
1729		2362.1438	you know it's because of who you are. And you knew that if you were a white man, or even just a man of color that,	2367.7148
1731		2368.0365	perhaps you won't get challenged in the same ways.	2370.7245
1733		2371.2260	And I think	2371.8927
1735		2372.0280	that for me,	2373.5003
1737		2374.0645	I cannot just grin and bear it, like, this is something that I would wanna	2377.1933
1739		2377.5384	speak out about and, you know, as a-	2379.5376
1741		2380.1018	not having your job security [yet,]	2382.7011
1742	ROC_int_01	2382.6010	[Mm-hm.]	2383.1653
1743	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2383.1700	uh, you can't really do that. Um,	2385.0398
1745		2385.3371	so, I just decided that was something-	2386.8989
1747		2387.1976	wasn't something for me. But it's weird because with the job I have now,	2389.9953
1749		2390.3823	I still go to the same academic conferences, that, uh,	2393.9343
1751		2394.3307	you know, I see my, uh, graduate student- my fellow gr- former graduate students, um,	2399.0577
1753		2399.5473	and undergrad sometimes even. But like,	2402.0047
1755		2402.0933	fa- faculty members I still see them. Like, I just came back	2404.3303
1757		2404.7733	from one before I came home.	2406.4742
1759		2406.7245	Uh,	2407.0581
1761		2407.9223	so, it's weird.	2409.0305
1763		2409.5469	And it's funny because, um,	2410.8992
1765		2411.5753	<ts>	2411.6732
1767		2412.1162	you know,	2412.7545
1769		2413.3938	they are looking at me like, why are you here? Basically, like, you didn't get a academic job so they maybe think that I'm trying to, like, apply for academic jobs, cause,	2420.9093
1771		2421.3091	that's a major conference in my discipline. So, you would go there if you're, like, on the job market.	2425.0627
1773		2425.5104	And I remember,	2426.2658
1775		2426.6388	people asking me /??/ conference, like, how is life? But they would ask it in this way that's like,	2430.7643
1777		2431.2633	are you sad? Like, are you disappointed in that	2434.4609
1779		2434.8712	you didn't get, like, an academic job? Like, literally that's I feel like,	2438.3311
1780	ROC_int_01	2438.3684	Mm-hm.	2438.7880
1781	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2438.7775	how they're asking the questions, and it's like,	2440.5774
1782		2441.0530	no, I'm actually very good, I'm very happy, and I really am. Like, I'm not putting on because, like, they're no one to put on for.	2447.0950
1784		2447.5799	Um, but	2448.2514
1786		2448.5778	I definitely	2449.4158
1788		2450.1539	got this feeling that somehow,	2451.9060
1790		2452.1718	I should be	2452.7080
1792		2453.0670	disappointed in myself, because I didn't go to academia.	2455.8088
1794		2457.5562	Um,	2457.9946
1796		2458.7593	yeah.	2459.1743
1797	ROC_int_01	2459.2629	[Yeah.]	2459.6732
1798	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2459.2722	[<laugh>]	2460.1535
1799	ROC_int_01	2460.1581	So, this new job [is in]	2461.5077
1800	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2461.1416	[Mm-hm.]	2461.4619
1801	ROC_int_01	2461.5823	DC	2462.1603
1802	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2462.2145	[Yes, mm-hm.]	2463.1471
1803	ROC_int_01	2462.3126	[right? And-] okay, can you tell me a little bit more about,	2465.2162
1804		2465.7571	um,	2466.3447
1806		2466.9648	the new job, as well as, how you like	2468.7181
1808		2468.8941	living in DC in comparison [to /inaudible/ <laugh>]	2472.4642
1809	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2471.3002	<ts>	2471.3565
1811		2471.6266	[Oh yeah.]	2472.7588
1812	ROC_int_01	2472.8513	[Yeah.]	2473.3117
1813	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2473.1060	[So-] um,	2474.0326
1814		2474.3311	so, I've been working there for about	2476.2046
1816		2476.3212	five, or so months.	2478.4053
1818		2478.7317	So, I actually- I finished my dissertation in March,	2481.2811
1820		2481.5749	end of March, and I moved, like, less than a week later, to start the job.	2484.6291
1822		2485.0721	Um, so I'm currently a research director at /RD-WORK-3/, which is a nonprofit that works on voting rights, voting registration.	2490.6478
1824		2491.0534	Uh, I work with mostly lawyers who do, like, a lot of litigation and suing state governments.	2495.8131
1826		2496.2328	I basically help provide the research to- and the motivation for their, um,	2501.2769
1828		2501.7851	legisla- um,	2502.6151
1830		2502.9369	their litigation	2503.9155
1832		2504.1002	pursuits.	2504.7321
1834		2505.1335	Um,	2505.7875
1836		2505.9943	so, just providing evidence of discrimination, whether	2509.0394
1838		2509.2260	implicit or k- e- explicit	2510.9827
1840		2511.4024	in terms of the end results of people of color and how they're rejected a lot of times for voter roles	2516.3870
1842		2516.8813	and they probably think that they're registered to vote, but they're not.	2518.9598
1844		2519.2349	Um, also do like,	2520.4345
1846		2520.5706	different grassroots stuff, and help	2522.2005
1848		2522.5782	support smaller nonprofits who are doing,	2524.5357
1850		2524.6758	um, voter registration.	2525.8084
1852		2526.4706	Um, and then I travel and do some- some training	2529.0678
1854		2529.2578	and helping smaller organizations become	2531.0391
1856		2531.4028	more effective in how they do voter registration and	2534.6388
1858		2534.8242	providing like, different,	2535.9153
1860		2536.3676	uh, ways they can collect data on that. And like, re-	2539.3651
1862		2539.7455	like, re-	2540.3561
1864		2540.8666	structure how they maybe do voter registration.	2543.0362
1866		2543.2030	Um,	2543.6825
1868		2544.4985	so that's basically what I do.	2546.5316
1870		2547.3324	Um,	2548.2137
1872		2548.4515	what else did you ask? Sorry.	2549.7002
1873	ROC_int_01	2549.7198	Oh, [um, /sorry/, yeah. <laugh>]	2551.8756
1874	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2550.0405	[Oh how I like DC.]	2550.9514
1876		2551.2650	[Oh, um, so] DC, I love DC, cause it's- it's like,	2554.0085
1877		2554.3396	it's so many,	2555.4307
1879		2555.7618	black per- young professionals and so that, yeah, just-	2559.2250
1881		2559.9526	I don't know, I feel like I-	2561.5100
1883		2561.8364	um,	2562.2514
1885		2562.5176	it's really cool just to see.	2563.8741
1887		2564.2611	And, um, it's just very different in Rochester, cause I felt like,	2567.9437
1889		2568.3447	at least like, the people I went to high school and stuff like that, it's like, you know,	2571.2250
1891		2571.8360	a lot of black people, but not necessarily a lot of black professionals (laughing).	2574.4612
1893		2574.7690	And where in- in Ann Arbor, Michigan, where I went to grad school, it's just like,	2578.3583
1895		2578.9971	you know, mostly all grad students, and so, they come from different backgrounds. I actually feel like	2583.5189
1897		2583.9852	I didn't relate to a lot of them cause they- they come from, like, very /pivi-/ privileged backgrounds.	2588.0559
1899		2588.4698	And actually had a difficult time, like, meeting or relating to people actually, other black students even sometimes, at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	2593.9207
1901		2594.4570	But then, um,	2595.6029
1903		2596.2279	in DC I just feel-	2597.6546
1905		2598.2467	I actually feel real at home, like, being there and I feel like, <exhale> I met a lot of people that	2602.5028
1907		2602.9503	kind of relate to like, my experience and they're still like,	2605.7946
1909		2606.2656	um, working on very c- like, cool things. Um, and	2610.2419
1911		2610.7129	yeah, I met a lot of, uh, friends, like, from church and stuff like that. So, I really like living there.	2615.6590
1913		2616.0305	It's expensive, but I really like living there. (laughing)	2618.4568
1915		2618.9137	And I really,	2619.4919
1917		2619.7018	uh, like the work that I'm doing. Course, you know, there's always stuff about jobs or-	2624.0231
1919		2624.3868	and stuff that you don't like, but I think overall, I really like living there.	2627.7570
1920	ROC_int_01	2628.1393	[Yeah.]	2628.4890
1921	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2628.4051	[Yeah, <laugh>]	2629.2884
1922	ROC_int_01	2628.7641	[Okay], cool.	2629.8589
1923	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2629.8589	<laugh>	2630.1129
1924	ROC_int_01	2630.3915	Okay, cool. Um,	2631.7437
1926		2632.0462	<ts> I just wanna turn back to s- a few [more] general questions [about Rochester]	2636.3995
1927	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2634.0367	[Sure.]	2634.4471
1929		2635.4449	[Mm-hm.]	2635.7855
1930		2636.5267	[Mm-hm.]	2636.9697
1931	ROC_int_01	2636.7431	[and] that's more so as a person who has moved away and	2640.2885
1932	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2640.2559	Yeah.	2640.6103
1933	ROC_int_01	2640.6522	coming back to Rochester,	2642.0317
1934	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2642.0511	[Uh-huh.]	2642.4039
1935	ROC_int_01	2642.3160	[what do] you see are some like, major changes to you, that has happened in the city?	2646.5660
1936	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2647.0719	Oh, um,	2648.1630
1938		2651.8269	Just like, you know, a lot of gentrification,	2654.5629
1940		2654.7031	you know.	2655.1469
1942		2655.7810	Uh, that's the one thing I definitely notice.	2658.0461
1944		2658.5263	You know, definitely noti- Like we were saying earlier, all the Wegmans moved out the hood	2662.1755
1946		2662.5159	into the suburbs and just noticing like a lot of,	2664.9732
1948		2665.9233	um,	2666.5621
1950		2666.7859	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ taking over everywhere. Like, the college town,	2669.5634
1952		2669.8588	like it was so different, cause like everything was just in that bubble and then now they took over, like, that Mount Hope area.	2674.8796
1954		2675.2697	It's like a lot of,	2676.0577
1956		2676.5240	um, /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	2677.5486
1958		2677.7455	Um,	2678.2446
1960		2678.7364	it's funny cause I came back for my high s- ten year high school reunion and just kind of	2682.4727
1962		2683.1721	seeing like, people I went to high school with just kind of,	2685.5642
1964		2687.0738	you know, doing the same things, working, like, these menial jobs, actually made me feel pretty sad.	2691.9233
1966		2692.4773	And I often feel	2693.2998
1968		2693.5233	really guilty I guess. Um, especially	2695.8342
1970		2696.2865	more so with my family,	2697.6488
1972		2697.8206	uh, cause they really struggle financially.	2699.9604
1974		2700.3114	And I	2701.1549
1976		2701.5794	supported them like, for- like, even in grad school	2704.2055
1978		2704.4999	I found ways to support them financially, but I don't really do it,	2707.1492
1980		2707.8450	as much, um, so, that's really difficult I think. Um,	2711.9717
1982		2712.7190	and it's also hard, because people- when I come home, people expect me	2716.2791
1984		2716.6414	to be the same person, talk the same way, talk about the same things.	2720.3040
1986		2720.7569	And so I think it's always really challenging coming home.	2723.8132
1988		2724.3057	And, um, ev- each time I come home, I'm ec- excited initia- initially with this	2728.9415
1990		2729.1997	feeling of nostalgia and,	2731.2964
1992		2731.6420	um, wanting to meet- wanting to meet up with everyone.	2734.4320
1994		2734.7999	But I feel like soon after	2736.3057
1996		2736.4925	those few days, especially after my mom passed away,	2738.9267
1998		2739.2772	I'm ready to go.	2740.3414
2000		2740.4716	And I feel really bad about that, but I- I- I usually am ready to go.	2743.9021
2002		2744.9545	Uh, just because, uh, it's really difficult for me to see my family struggling, and I have the means to help them, but then,	2751.7980
2004		2752.4829	how do I help them	2754.0572
2006		2754.2073	without enabling them? And I feel like that's what I'm	2756.3323
2008		2756.7337	doing often times so I- it- it's- it's actually really challenging to come home. And then when I come home,	2760.8095
2010		2761.2341	its just, everything's different, I have to G- GPS to get around everywhere.	2765.0943
2012		2765.5868	Um, especially like the social stuff, like the clubs, they always change names,	2769.2998
2014		2769.7074	close and stuff like that. I'm not really into that, that's what /they're/ trying to do, and I realize that	2773.1718
2016		2773.6077	everything's just so different, um,	2775.7527
2018		2776.7094	yeah.	2777.2698
2019	ROC_int_01	2779.0756	Yeah. [<laugh>]	2781.1435
2020	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2779.6417	[<laugh>]	2780.8135
2021	ROC_int_01	2781.6168	Okay,	2782.3018
2023		2782.4999	and- but are there any-	2784.1529
2025		2784.4642	when you come to Rochester, I guess, what are your favorite things to do here?	2787.5772
2026	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2787.8829	Uh,	2788.6980
2028		2790.3623	really just like meeting up with people I guess. There's nothing,	2793.2149
2030		2793.6621	uh, in particular I mean, g- I guess going to Wegmans if I have to pick something.	2797.0303
2032		2797.4436	Um, but really just kind of- of meeting up with people.	2801.3717
2034		2801.7566	I mean, sometimes I go to campus, too.	2804.0436
2036		2804.2299	Like I went to campus yesterday, but it's usually,	2806.2735
2038		2806.5565	connected to,	2807.7849
2040		2808.4189	um, something in particular.	2810.3380
2042		2810.4568	Um, like, the	2812.0187
2044		2812.3414	Black Student's Union had the event, or	2814.2661
2046		2814.5095	maybe vi- visiting the, uh, Office of Minority Student Affairs or something like that.	2818.4829
2048		2819.0433	Um,	2820.1982
2050		2822.9998	yeah.	2823.3677
2051	ROC_int_01	2823.5700	Yeah.	2823.9042
2052	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2823.8659	I don't come home that often, like I said, because of	2826.2407
2053		2826.5774	it's just really- mentally, uh, it's, really difficult.	2830.0018
2055		2830.4856	Um, because like- you know, mom- so my mom passed away when I was in grad school. And so,	2834.0210
2057		2834.3488	w- when I come home, it's like I expect to see her and then I can't see her, [so that's just]	2838.3906
2058	ROC_int_01	2837.6434	[Mm-hm.]	2838.3489
2059	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2838.6963	very difficult. And then, like I said earlier, my family and stuff like that, um,	2842.0728
2061		2843.1056	so I guess,	2843.5868
2063		2844.0453	you know, it's- it's such a weird thing. So, I come home, I'm all excited,	2847.7074
2065		2848.2961	uh, about twenty-four hours, I'm ready to go because of the stress	2851.8059
2067		2852.1229	and the- the mental exhaustion and stuff.	2854.5339
2069		2854.9018	Cause even when I come home, it's not really home, because	2857.6360
2071		2858.1002	I have to stay with, like, a family friend because	2860.4376
2073		2860.7207	my b- like my brother and sister and my nephew and stuff live together, but they don't	2864.4455
2075		2865.2828	have like space for me to even stay there, and so often I don't- I never, this-	2869.8115
2077		2870.2191	this is, like, always my home, but I never feel at home anymore,	2873.3094
2078	ROC_int_01	2873.3547	Mm.	2873.7113
2079	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2873.8076	um, since my mom passed away.	2875.2398
2080	ROC_int_01	2875.4322	Yeah.	2875.8455
2081	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2875.8342	Uh, so it- it's just- yeah, it's challenging.	2878.4999
2082	ROC_int_01	2878.5290	Yeah,	2878.9209
2084		2879.2030	/it/ makes sense.	2880.1306
2086		2880.5243	Uh, let's see,	2881.7688
2088		2882.0670	<ts>	2882.1383
2090		2882.3261	okay, those are	2883.8885
2092		2884.0697	m- uh, my last few questions about Rochester [specifically], like as a place. [But]	2888.9370
2093	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2887.0756	[Mm-hm.]	2887.4153
2095		2888.5701	[Mm-hm.]	2888.9210
2096	ROC_int_01	2889.1283	I always, um,	2890.3819
2098		2890.5926	ask a few questions at the end about	2892.9341
2100		2893.2681	uh, language related stuff, [so.]	2895.4905
2101	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2895.1187	[Oh] sure, sure.	2896.1659
2102	ROC_int_01	2896.1578	Uh,	2896.6527
2103		2897.9774	sort of, um, have you been told, that you have an accent? <laugh>	2902.4523
2104	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2902.4943	[Oh yeah, definitely.]	2903.6108
2105	ROC_int_01	2902.8218	[Um, being from] Rochester? And	2904.6737
2106		2904.8378	maybe what things do people say	2907.0113
2108		2907.2319	make them think you have a accent?	2908.0742
2110		2908.2752	think you have a accent?	2910.1132
2111	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2910.1106	It's usually more- People don't know where the heck Rochester is a lot of times.	2914.2735
2112		2914.5339	Like in- even in DC, like, some people do, some people don't.	2917.3020
2114		2917.7153	But I think,	2918.4172
2116		2919.0224	they think I have like a New York C- New York City accent, but then it's like-	2923.1718
2118		2923.9700	it's just only, like, with certain words, or-	2926.5452
2120		2926.7886	but they kn- they know it's like a little bit different. So, they're like, uh, I d- can't quite place her accent.	2932.2735
2122		2932.6924	And I think it's a little-	2933.8132
2124		2934.0170	and I think I'm sure I have like,	2935.3417
2126		2935.7096	a little bit of a Michigan influence, um, because I lived there for six years, possibly.	2940.0397
2128		2940.5831	Um,	2941.3247
2130		2943.0720	but yeah. I don't-	2943.7619
2132		2943.8850	I don't think everyone- no one has ever specifically said, you have like a Rochester accent.	2948.0361
2133	ROC_int_01	2948.0854	Mm-hm.	2948.3888
2134	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2948.3870	I think it's in terms of like, the Black English, in term of the slang words as in things I might use. Like, mad, or-	2954.4210
2135		2954.7720	or, you know, different things like that. Um,	2956.9741
2137		2957.2231	they're like, oh, you know, that's like a New York	2959.5266
2139		2959.9398	slang word like, where are you from kind of thing and this usually comes	2963.2076
2141		2963.9647	in conversation where I'm talking to other black people. Like, I think w- white people don't understand what Black English is, or	2969.4269
2143		2969.7439	understand what slang is. I think they just /dismiss/ it as it being like an	2973.1001
2145		2973.5079	ignorant	2974.1985
2147		2974.4533	thing, versus, like, a actual dialect.	2976.5643
2149		2977.5775	[Um],	2978.1266
2150	ROC_int_01	2977.5775	[Mm-hm.]	2978.1153
2151	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2978.3757	yeah.	2978.9248
2152	ROC_int_01	2979.1852	Yeah.	2979.6306
2154		2979.8075	Okay. And, um,	2981.4043
2156		2981.6149	<ts>	2981.6829
2158		2981.9704	let's see,	2982.8546
2160		2984.2682	when you come back,	2985.4796
2162		2985.6154	and you- like, you haven't been here [/for a little while/ do you feel] like there's certain people, maybe who lived in certain /[parts] of the city/ like they talk differently, or?	2995.4185
2163	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	2987.3080	[Uh-huh. <laugh>]	2988.2591
2165		2988.6265	[<laugh>]	2989.2718
2167		2992.2608	[Uh-huh.]	2992.6627
2168		2996.0891	Yeah, I think-	2996.9831
2170		2997.2903	I- I feel like I'm usually	2999.2061
2172		2999.6755	like a little lost if there's like- uh, like, new words, but I definitely feel like	3003.8702
2174		3004.4759	the way I talk is very different too. Like,	3006.9435
2176		3007.3001	I- I- I was thinking about this,	3008.7720
2178		3009.2079	um,	3009.7230
2180		3009.9551	actually	3010.7259
2182		3010.9461	yesterday. Or like the last few days I'm hanging around	3013.7111
2184		3014.0338	my classmates from	3015.5344
2186		3015.6381	s- high school. And I definitely feel like	3017.9619
2188		3018.5054	talk very different when I'm around them.	3020.3338
2190		3020.7301	Um, you know, that code switching is- is very unconscious.	3023.7128
2192		3024.1827	Um,	3024.8393
2194		3026.0847	and then like,	3026.8037
2196		3027.4716	you know,	3028.0774
2198		3029.8261	like for example, like, they'll just- they kept bringing up the fact that like	3033.5929
2200		3033.7226	I'm a doctor now.	3034.7340
2202		3035.3279	Um,	3035.7802
2204		3036.0805	so-	3036.7078
2206		3037.1564	and some of them actually don't really know what that means in terms of Ph.D. versus medical doctor.	3041.4298
2207	ROC_int_01	3041.4309	Mm-hm.	3041.8570
2208	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3041.8269	And so, um,	3042.7997
2209		3043.0601	like,	3043.3488
2211		3043.5153	it-	3043.7221
2213		3044.1866	it'll com- it would come up in the most stupid way. Like,	3046.6661
2215		3047.1467	um, oh I need to know how to work, like, the stereo for my friends place, where I wanted to like, listen to like,	3051.9245
2217		3052.2925	more R- R and B soul and not like Future, and I didn't really like	3055.7904
2219		3056.6395	listening, like, sitting down and like having that as like the background music. And they're like, oh, it's because you a doctor now.	3061.8300
2220	ROC_int_01	3061.9659	[<laugh>]	3062.6363
2221	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3062.0847	[you know, and stuff] like that and I'm just like, uh, not really.	3065.3449
2222		3065.5260	Um,	3066.0695
2224		3066.5393	and- and things like that, I feel like, um,	3068.8772
2226		3069.4207	there's definitely this constant effort to-	3072.2223
2228		3072.6639	to-	3073.0261
2230		3074.4810	to make me feel different [now, or to] expect that I'm different now.	3078.1827
2231	ROC_int_01	3076.2221	[Mm.]	3076.7025
2232	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3078.4318	Or to expect that the reasons why	3080.4640
2234		3080.8320	I may have a different opinion about something, is because of somehow it's related to the-	3085.1450
2236		3085.4167	to the amount of	3086.0394
2238		3086.4810	education that I've received.	3087.9811
2240		3088.5071	Um, like for example, a lot of pe- most all the people I went to school with, have kids.	3092.3043
2242		3092.8939	I don't have kids. And I don't have kids because I'm not married. And when I say that,	3096.4034
2244		3096.9073	that really, s-	3097.8489
2246		3098.0625	strikes a chord with them an- and- an- and so,	3100.8019
2248		3101.1184	when they ask me questions it's really about	3103.0375
2250		3103.4281	kids,	3103.9262
2252		3104.2319	they'll ask que- a question about	3105.4738
2254		3105.6974	whether you have kids or not.	3106.6548
2256		3106.8580	Or n- no, it's /?/ really actually not a question of whether you have kids or not, it's how many you have, right? So this expectation	3111.8226
2258		3112.1849	that you're-	3112.7793
2260		3112.9599	you're twenty-eight like somehow you should have kids.	3115.0827
2262		3115.5300	Um, and to tell them, like, I don't have kids because I've been in school for a long time,	3120.5902
2264		3120.9752	basically since we've got out of high school,	3122.8036
2266		3123.0867	uh, is very perplexing to them.	3124.9548
2268		3125.1241	Uh, they don't really get it.	3126.5676
2270		3126.9752	Um,	3127.5696
2272		3127.9205	and so,	3128.8603
2274		3129.7433	um,	3130.6208
2276		3131.0505	I f- often feel bad	3132.5450
2278		3132.9299	by saying that, but that is why and so when people ask me, so, I think,	3135.8509
2280		3136.4849	uh, it's just really, uh, <exhale> challenging.	3139.6545
2282		3140.1979	Um,	3140.7357
2284		3141.5565	yeah.	3142.2585
2285	ROC_int_01	3143.1580	Yeah.	3143.5486
2286	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3143.9109	Sorry I don't know if I answered [your question, okay.]	3146.0904
2287	ROC_int_01	3145.3828	[No, yeah, yeah.]	3146.5528
2288	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3146.4163	<laugh>	3146.9249
2289	ROC_int_01	3147.4433	[Um,]	3148.0410
2290	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3147.5139	[Um.]	3147.9451
2291	ROC_int_01	3148.1453	<ts>	3148.2189
2293		3148.2924	yeah, so that's basically all the questions I have related to [language, and]	3152.8772
2294	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3152.5463	[Uh-huh.]	3152.8772
2295	ROC_int_01	3153.2452	um, I always like to ask, uh,	3155.7807
2297		3156.1770	if you have any maybe last thoughts, you wanna say? If not then	3160.4283
2299		3160.7788	we can wrap it up.	3161.7581
2300	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3163.2356	Um,	3163.8809
2302		3166.8184	no.	3167.3052
2303	ROC_int_01	3167.5713	Yeah? okay cool [well-]	3168.9080
2304	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3168.4827	[Yeah if] you have- if you need me to clarify something, or- I'm happy to do that, [but.]	3172.5528
2305	ROC_int_01	3172.2151	[No], I think that is [/gonna be/ really good. <laugh>]	3175.0415
2306	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3173.5713	[Okay <laugh> okay. <laugh>]	3175.3658
2307	ROC_int_01	3175.3431	Um, but do you consent to [me-]	3177.2770
2308	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3176.9904	[Oh, yeah] yeah, [yeah, transcribing it, you] can call me if I	3180.2107
2309	ROC_int_01	3177.7150	[Okay, always /have-/ mm-hm.]	3179.6449
2310	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3180.7148	wasn't clear on something, or- if I messed with the microphone at some point.	3184.7959
2311	ROC_int_01	3185.0618	[Okay, cool.]	3185.9166
2312	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3185.3331	[I'm fine with that. <laugh> yeah.]	3187.0374
2313	ROC_int_01	3186.1239	[thank you, cause I] always have to [/inaudible/,]	3188.8332
2314	ROC_se0_ag1_f_02	3187.5299	[<laugh>]	3188.1187
2316		3188.6678	[Yeah], yeah, yeah, [I- I] get it.	3190.1905
2317	ROC_int_01	3189.5226	[Yeah.]	3189.8735