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1	ROC_int_01	1.0481	Alright, so, yeah, before I start asking questions, [um,] <laugh>	5.8647
2	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	5.0627	[<laugh>]	5.4653
3	ROC_int_01	6.1405	do you consent to the interview?	7.6791
4	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	7.8160	Yes, I do.	8.3186
5	ROC_int_01	8.4165	Okay cool, so like I said it's-	10.5455
7		10.9325	it seems more formal than it actually is. I just wanna know about	14.8681
9		14.9814	what you perceive Rochester to be, what it was like to grow up here, where you went to school,	19.7194
11		20.2543	what you wanna do next, just those sorts of questions. So they're open ended. You can take 'em in different,	25.1837
13		25.4216	uh, directions.	26.6216
14	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	26.7195	Mm.	27.0133
15	ROC_int_01	26.9760	There are no like, right or wrong answers, [it's just], you know, your perspective	30.6689
16	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	29.0323	[Yeah.]	29.3447
17	ROC_int_01	30.9282	about the city.	31.6295
19		31.9260	<ts>	32.0309
21		32.1467	Um, so	32.9487
23		33.2938	I usually begin, um, asking	35.5541
25		36.3049	whe- in what part of Rochester did you grow up?	38.6550
26	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	39.4015	Um,	40.1937
28		40.9666	well, I mean, recently I just realized that I've lived all over Rochester.	44.2959
29	ROC_int_01	44.4172	[Really?]	45.1586
30	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	44.6783	[Um,]	45.1632
31		45.3140	but I can say, my early part of Rochester	47.9427
33		48.1572	was over by the- um,	50.7497
35		51.6252	the transit station, where all the buses usually go for like the night.	54.3950
36	ROC_int_01	54.8986	[Ah.]	55.3187
37	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	55.0266	[Uh,] grew up in like, the projects over there	57.5518
38		57.7465	off of /RD-ADDRESS-4/.	59.0707
39	ROC_int_01	59.7189	[Oh.]	59.8401
40	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	59.7235	[And], um,	60.6468
41		61.7602	I mean,	62.4560
43		63.1787	growing up, I mean, it just seems like	64.9273
45		65.2619	it's-	65.5557
47		65.8961	you know, that's just where we live.	67.4488
49		67.8078	It's not until like, you know, you grow older and you realize, oh,	70.8993
51		71.2293	we were in like, subsidized housing.	73.1550
53		73.5607	Oh,	74.1203
55		74.4047	it was a lot of drug activity going on.	76.5683
57		77.0847	Oh,	77.5930
59		78.1059	so and so that I used to slap up at the corner store,	80.9456
61		81.7429	was actually like,	82.7548
63		82.9122	the drug dealer on the block.	84.3250
64	ROC_int_01	84.5116	[Mm-hm.] <laugh>	85.7799
65	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	84.6468	[Um], (laughing)	85.3602
67		85.7612	I mean, because like, at the end, like they-	87.9714
68		88.3293	they were always respectable. Cause like, you know, this- this is their neighborhood. Their family lives next door, like.	93.8129
70		94.4925	So, um,	95.4111
72		96.4929	gro- uh, growing up over there was just kind of really-	99.1274
74		99.7103	it was childhood. Like, you go outside, you play with all the other kids in the projects.	103.8358
76		104.9130	Learn how to double dutch, and play jacks,	107.8867
78		108.0826	hide and seek, tag.	109.8172
80		110.0363	You know, you have your little drama that little kids have.	112.7968
82		113.2153	I don't like you.	114.0732
84		114.3484	I don't like you either.	115.3975
86		115.8778	Come back the next day and it's all good.	117.7849
88		118.1719	Um, (laughing)	118.7548
90		119.7329	I guess like, what I notice also though is like,	122.6394
92		122.8337	my household was different than everyone else's.	125.3645
94		125.6722	I mean,	126.3064
96		126.5349	pretty much nobody had a father in a household, but in the fact of,	130.2559
98		131.1966	my mom always kept me, well kept, like,	133.9337
101		135.1834	had nice,	136.0884
103		136.3713	you know, clothes.	137.2666
105		137.4624	I had stuff you know I'd go out and play in, but like	139.7612
107		140.2228	I knew what I was eating at night. Like, never had to worry about meals.	143.6816
109		144.0080	And once I started realizing, that that was different for the other kids,	147.5751
111		148.1813	that kind of like,	149.6258
113		149.9660	shedded a light	151.0105
115		151.4162	in seeing seeing um,	152.7684
117		152.9829	really like the age difference. Starting to notice the age difference between	156.5302
119		156.9126	my mom and the other moms.	158.8850
121		159.4109	My mom	160.0833
123		160.6977	I guess you can say,	161.7095
125		162.0266	to me, she wasn't that much older. Like, my mom had me when she was twenty-nine. I feel like that's around like,	166.5543
127		166.8096	the ideal time to really have kids.	168.6328
129		169.1597	But um,	169.9337
131		170.2648	realizing that,	171.3419
133		172.5018	the other parents were like,	174.0504
135		174.8286	in their	175.1410
137		175.6680	twenties, early twenties,	177.7663
139		178.1859	some teens.	179.2945
141		179.7095	Um, some having	181.3276
143		181.9664	teenage daughters already, and having	184.2652
145		184.4377	kids, and like the daughters having to take care of the kids.	187.3396
147		187.9571	Um,	188.3674
149		188.9223	so it's th- I can- I started noticing those type of differences. Not really,	193.5001
151		194.5259	judging or anything. It's just like,	195.9947
153		196.1067	oh,	196.4657
155		196.9635	okay, Mommy's older than that person.	198.8846
157		199.1550	Not knowing	199.8451
159		199.9710	that's probably why they're in the situations that they're in.	203.3412
161		204.4789	Um,	204.8846
163		205.1131	after that, what ended up happening was, um,	208.4191
165		208.9262	my mom ended up getting locked up for two and a half years.	211.3882
167		211.8265	So after that, I ended up moving with my aunt.	214.5543
169		215.1873	My aunt owned a house over off of /RD-ADDRESS-6/.	219.1274
171		220.0041	By like Pudgie's	221.0572
173		221.2526	and, um,	222.0499
175		223.1457	it was literally like, if you cross the street you're in /RD-ADDRESS-4/	226.3445
177		226.7968	and then like, you come back across the street, you're in /RD-ADDRESS-3/ technically.	229.7985
179		230.2415	So, um,	231.0668
181		231.7103	that neighborhood- that neighborhood gave me more of like, uh,	234.7447
183		235.3322	the freedom to like, explore.	236.8710
185		237.0575	It was like, okay, it's okay for the kids to go and ride their bikes, as long as they're in-	241.0991
187		241.6633	It's okay to go outside, and play in the yard.	243.8642
189		244.4113	Um,	244.9336
191		247.4795	I guess,	248.0997
193		248.3515	really my only issue there was like, the actual living situation that I went through.	252.9246
195		253.1345	Um, within my family,	254.9064
197		255.4333	I'm the- I'm the youngest	256.9755
199		258.2951	grandchild, and also like	260.0950
201		260.5706	the youngest	261.2607
203		261.5312	like that my mom had.	262.5699
205		263.1387	Um,	263.5584
207		264.2998	but a lot of-	264.9713
209		265.2277	a lot of the time,	266.3608
211		268.0896	my other cousins were like, jealous of me.	270.5050
213		270.6728	Based off of,	271.6520
215		272.2442	basically I'm a only child because it's a fourteen year gap between my brother,	276.1413
217		276.6169	and me.	277.0738
219		277.8665	Um, also my mom had my brother when she was fifteen.	281.0874
221		281.6004	So instead of allowing my mom to be a mom,	283.9411
223		284.8691	everybody else in the family, felt like	286.6305
225		286.8636	they wanted to raise him.	287.8568
227		288.4910	Um,	289.0132
229		289.3163	but when my mom had me, she was like, no,	291.3493
231		291.7492	I'm gonna raise him.	292.5559
233		293.4325	And me and my brother, turned out completely different.	295.8012
235		296.3188	Uh, so	297.3447
237		298.9382	it's a lot of- it was- it's just a lot of weird things that- that went on that like now I look back, and I'm like	304.5253
239		304.6279	oh, okay,	305.3740
241		305.9335	that's what that was, that's why this is.	308.0120
243		308.3851	But growing up, it was really just like,	310.4228
246		311.8076	I don't know. Like I remember just being that kid that's just like, hey,	315.1871
248		315.4389	I wanna be friends with everybody,	317.1129
250		317.4066	and- and doing that, and really like	319.8281
252		319.9794	understanding like	321.1358
254		321.6674	I don't understand why this person is being mean to me right now, but	324.8381
256		325.3313	I don't like this feeling, so I kind of have to	327.5042
258		328.5067	you know, protect myself.	329.6980
260		329.8356	And that's when I learned a lot, when I was living with my aunt.	332.9400
262		333.4808	Definitely put me in a space in where,	335.8216
264		336.2180	I had to learn to fend for myself. I had to-	338.6135
266		339.1498	And again,	339.7353
268		339.9472	it's not that	340.8611
270		342.5712	I was-	343.4105
272		344.2680	/I mean, I-/ it- it was completely different from my mom's place. Like,	347.2885
274		348.1574	I never had to ask for food at my mom's place. Like	350.2172
276		350.3618	I go, I get what I want. Like,	351.9565
278		352.4026	it's mine, like (laughing)	353.4145
280		353.8683	um, there I would have to ask if I want a snack, if I want this.	357.3829
282		357.8912	Oh, you can only have one glass of water. You can only- like,	360.7915
284		361.2939	you can only do this. Now it's time to eat. Sit down and eat all of this. Oh, now it's time to do homework.	366.3066
286		367.1142	Oh, you can't watch TV even though you finished your homework, cause J.R. didn't finish his homework, and he's gonna be distra- Like,	372.8251
288		373.3986	it was just a lot of different rules, and a lot of different living situations that I didn't have to live with- like, never had to deal with.	379.4732
290		379.9255	So it was definitely a big,	381.2882
292		381.8502	adjustment for me.	383.0019
294		383.3190	And then on top of that,	384.6040
296		384.8833	um,	385.3660
298		387.2545	money that my mom	388.3724
300		388.8807	left	389.3703
302		389.6407	for me, to ensure that,	391.1375
304		391.3753	you know, nobody else had to come out of pocket to take care of me, understanding that,	394.9460
306		395.9578	that wasn't being spent on me. That was being [spent] elsewhere.	400.1484
307	ROC_int_01	398.7378	[Mm.]	398.9541
308	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	400.3771	So,	400.9366
310		401.6127	in that time, ironically, I ended up basically living like	405.2312
312		405.7569	the kids from the projects.	407.3783
314		407.5625	Like,	407.8506
316		408.3262	I would go weeks and weeks at a time without having my hair done.	411.1892
318		411.6788	Um,	412.1484
320		413.0019	rips in my clothes, stuff like that. And now mind you, my aunt's kids	416.8022
322		417.1379	be fine.	417.6555
324		417.7476	Wearing Jordans, doing this, doing that.	419.8879
326		420.4381	Um,	420.8438
328		421.1981	but again, I never really-	422.2426
330		423.1472	never really thought about it, y- you just kind of like, okay I'm a kid.	425.7433
332		426.2283	Um,	426.6806
334		428.5084	but I can say,	429.7068
336		430.3258	I remember it was just one night, where like, I was crying myself to sleep and I was just like, I don't wanna feel this anymore.	435.3384
338		435.5622	Like, just tired of it.	436.5869
340		437.1185	And I think that is	439.1235
342		439.5385	the night, that like, I realize like,	441.9667
344		443.2770	one, how strong I was, and really like my resilience. Like,	446.5784
346		447.1845	so,	447.7068
348		447.7989	from that- that I can say,	449.9811
350		450.4567	if I didn't have that,	451.7810
352		452.5317	I don't really know	453.8327
354		454.8107	where I would be right now. I would say like,	456.7831
356		457.1913	I face adversity.	458.3032
358		458.6110	But like, that was like	460.1484
360		460.4657	that defining moment for me.	462.0324
362		462.6806	Um,	463.0862
364		463.4571	after my mom came back home,	465.0866
366		466.0740	uh,	466.6289
368		467.1092	I mean, I was different,	467.9065
370		468.3075	it's two and a half years later,	469.6598
372		470.0153	was turning twelve.	470.8395
374		471.2405	Um,	471.6135
376		474.0837	we moved	474.7179
378		474.8624	over-	475.7111
380		475.8556	was living with my grandma for a bit, so that was off of /RD-ADDRESS-2/,	478.8108
382		478.9900	um, by Salvatore's. I love Salvatore's. (whispered)	481.5594
383	ROC_int_01	481.6251	Hm.	481.9022
384	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	482.0421	[<laugh>]	482.7412
385	ROC_int_01	482.3317	[<laugh>]	483.2125
386	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	483.3104	Um,	483.7767
388		484.2652	so it was over by Salvatore's. And	486.5080
390		487.0629	being back with my mom,	488.6576
392		489.4410	it was a bit different, because	491.4822
394		493.8416	she didn't really understand how much I had matured, what had exactly happened to me, and I couldn't really explain it to her.	501.1566
396		501.7954	Um,	502.1484
398		502.6009	and then she also was trying to like, make up for lost time.	505.8976
400		506.4711	And I think that probably one of the realest conversations we ever had. /It was mostly/ like, Ma like,	510.3402
402		510.6339	you just gotta stop. Like,	511.7810
404		512.4571	I don't fault you for anything, and you can't make up for lost time. Like,	515.5661
406		515.9345	we can move on from, where we're at now.	518.1680
408		518.8068	And get to re-know each other.	520.1484
410		520.2978	But like,	520.7874
412		522.0626	basically like,	522.9510
414		523.0536	the reason my mom ended up going to jail, was making sure that she was taking care of me in the first place. So like,	527.8412
416		528.5220	not ever gonna fault you,	529.9395
418		530.1540	for that.	530.9840
420		531.0855	Cause we got,	531.5751
422		532.1253	parents out here that's	533.0525
424		533.3136	not willing to do that.	534.3262
426		534.8577	And,	535.3427
428		535.6411	my mom is a pretty much like, by any means necessary type of person.	539.0672
430		540.2422	So, um,	541.2401
432		542.1767	<ts>	542.2596
434		542.3515	we moved in	543.3198
436		543.6322	with my grandma,	544.7128
438		545.2351	and my aunt,	545.9811
440		546.4521	into like this big house. And that's when we moved over off	549.4643
442		549.7429	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ off of	550.9506
444		551.1651	/RD-ADDRESS-2/.	551.6407
447		552.2795	Now this area,	553.5385
449		554.6716	this I can say, is really like, the first time I moved away from the east side.	558.3915
450	ROC_int_01	558.8158	Mkay.	559.1864
451	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	559.3707	Um,	559.8183
453		561.2265	I don't know, it's just,	562.1999
455		562.3538	/RD-ADDRESS-3/ is kind of like the-	564.3402
457		565.2821	it's like the quirky area of Rochester. Like,	567.6462
459		567.9353	pretty much anything can happen on /RD-ADDRESS-3/.	570.2096
461		570.6013	Um,	570.9697
463		571.2401	but,	571.5758
465		572.5644	the living was nice and then, uh,	574.9226
467		575.1604	really what ended up happening was the stuff that happened over the two and a half years, came to a bubble between my aunt and my mom.	581.4356
469		582.0277	And	582.5127
471		583.5245	they got into it, my mom's like, alright we moving.	586.2838
473		587.1278	But we stayed over in the /RD-ADDRESS-2/ area, moved off of /RD-ADDRESS-2/,	590.9887
475		592.0274	which was really quiet.	593.2537
477		593.7993	I realized that I like the /RD-ADDRESS-2/ a lot.	595.5852
479		595.7017	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ is really a nice place.	597.6415
481		598.0460	Um, even- even like now, [I'm just like,]	600.0557
482	ROC_int_01	599.5381	[Mm-hm]	599.8994
483	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	601.1608	yeah, let's go to /RD-ADDRESS-2/. (whispered)	602.6296
485		602.7591	Now they got a lot of, uh, restaurants and a lot of different stuff over there.	606.0184
487		606.5686	Um,	607.0023
489		607.6784	but yeah, we lived on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ in the /RD-ADDRESS-2/ and then we moved on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ in the /RD-ADDRESS-2/. And in this time I was going through middle school.	614.9514
491		615.3244	At this time, me and my mom's relationship was more stable.	618.3168
493		618.5780	We had been together a while.	619.6924
495		620.1167	Um,	620.6530
497		621.0260	you know, mm,	621.9539
499		622.0926	going through teenage things.	623.5335
501		624.4987	Um,	624.9184
503		626.0841	and then what ended up happening was,	629.0765
505		629.6221	the income that we had in the house got cut tremendously.	633.0913
507		633.6870	So we had to move from our place on /RD-ADDRESS-1/, and find something that was more feasible.	638.5923
509		639.1799	So we ended up moving,	640.3771
511		641.1371	to	641.7433
513		642.0930	/RD-ADDRESS-5/.	643.1795
515		643.5991	Which is like,	644.8255
517		646.2372	hood central basically. (laughing) Um,	648.9510
519		649.8323	and	650.3825
521		651.6229	at first, I was a little like wary about it, because like,	654.7766
523		656.9141	growing up it's like, <sigh> y- you don't-	659.1511
525		659.3563	you drive through those places. You don't go and you- you know, live in those places.	663.3431
527		663.9632	But,	664.2745
529		665.3190	that's pretty much been	667.1375
531		667.7017	where	668.1913
533		668.9700	well, my mom's been. I've moved out of the house since then.	671.4495
535		671.7573	But my mom is literally still there, and sh-	674.1285
537		674.8217	don't nobody bother her. It's-	676.4004
539		677.9508	you know, stuff happens around, in the neighborhood,	680.9883
541		681.2098	but,	681.5320
543		683.8541	it's not bad. And- and- and that's what I started realizing. Like,	687.6194
545		689.2980	yeah, people say a lot about	690.9487
547		691.7601	the environment, but it's- it's- it's not bad. You get to see-	695.4158
549		696.0033	yeah you got the same people that's doing the same thing, but then you got people who are	699.7966
551		701.1861	doing-	701.7458
553		701.8647	doing it. Like,	702.8741
555		703.6481	um, I done seen like people done graduated and seen people	708.1618
557		708.8146	go. Move on to bigger and better things. Move out of	712.0204
559		712.2069	the state, move	713.3740
561		714.9301	across town to a better house. Like,	717.4597
563		718.1754	so, um,	719.0148
565		719.5184	yeah I would say	720.7587
567		722.1202	like,	722.6427
569		722.8945	/RD-ADDRESS-5/,	724.3126
571		724.4642	definitely, really-	725.8254
573		728.1238	I don't know. It made me really appreciate	730.5853
575		730.9164	the beauty in the ugly.	732.5304
577		733.3044	Cause like you look at it, and it's just like, <sigh>	735.5444
579		736.3841	this could be so much better.	737.6706
581		737.8576	It's like, run-down houses. I actually wro- ended up writing a poem, literally like, based on my street.	742.6978
582	ROC_int_01	742.7352	Mm.	743.0662
583	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	743.1175	Um,	743.5838
585		744.5349	it's like run-down houses everywhere, and then it's like you get to know the people.	748.1486
587		748.7595	You get to know their story. You get to see their story develop from being /there- over there/ for so long. You're just like,	753.5343
589		754.2036	/you know/, all these people	755.2481
591		755.4486	pretty much just like me. They trying to make it.	757.3101
593		757.5059	Some people know how, some people don't.	759.2421
595		759.8212	And, um,	760.5766
597		761.0522	yeah. Right now,	762.4176
599		762.9417	I mean, the places that I've moved,	764.5520
601		765.6602	since I've moved out, I lived out in Canandaigua.	768.2085
603		768.7400	Um,	769.2063
605		769.7687	I lived out there for like six months.	771.6571
607		772.6149	That was-	773.5102
609		773.8413	I didn't like that. I got into a lot of trouble in Canandaigua, just because it's	778.0998
611		778.1896	nothing there.	778.9572
613		779.3909	Like,	779.7313
615		780.1490	um,	780.5656
617		781.5393	<ts>	781.6821
619		781.7780	ended up moving back.	782.6716
621		783.0540	Moving in with my mom,	784.0565
623		784.2197	and then I moved,	785.3536
625		785.5820	um,	786.1649
627		786.3654	over on,	787.9116
629		789.7068	oh, I can't think of the name of it. (whispered)	791.4917
631		792.8486	/RD-ADDRESS-3/	793.5759
633		793.8510	I moved on /RD-ADDRESS-3/,	795.1276
635		795.6136	uh, with a few friends.	796.9992
637		797.9532	And that was different because,	799.8750
639		800.1408	again,	800.6483
641		801.1100	pretty much I've been on the east side.	802.6534
643		803.2211	And	803.6454
645		804.2982	in Rochester it's kind of like,	805.7771
647		806.1501	you could spot somebody from the east side, if they're on the west side, and if you're on the west side, you can spot somebody on the east side. It's a weird type of thing.	813.2366
648	ROC_int_01	813.2273	<laugh> [How do you spot] 'em, what do you-	815.0505
649	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	813.6749	[So, /?/]	814.2984
650		815.3983	I don't know. I thi- [it's- it's-] it's kind of like-	817.6691
651	ROC_int_01	816.3682	[Yeah.]	816.8205
652	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	817.7904	I think it's really more like-	819.1060
654		819.8747	like- like mannerisms, like if you let like the stereotypical tell you like,	823.8137
656		824.8022	east side,	825.5063
658		825.8957	/it's-/	826.2205
660		826.4809	that's like the dirty side. (whispered)	828.1099
662		828.5733	You know, like, the west side, you know, that's where you got all the flashy stuff and the nice houses.	832.7500
664		833.2631	I mean,	833.6781
666		834.0371	it's kind of true.	835.3194
668		836.2007	Like it's definitely like, if you-	838.0938
670		839.4356	For me it's always been like, looking at the people on the corner. Like,	842.1634
672		842.3219	if you go to the west side,	843.4830
674		843.7208	you're liable to see a dude like, decked out in jewelry or whatever, just standing on the corner. He looks nice, he looks	849.8560
676		850.0612	like,	850.3083
678		850.5869	they care about their appearance.	851.8506
680		852.2469	You're on the east side,	853.2495
682		853.7344	dude been trapping in the same outfit for seven days.	856.1918
684		857.0113	Don't mean he don't got no money.	858.2197
686		858.6067	It's just	859.1282
688		860.2147	it's kind of like what they do. I don't know, it's weird, it's very weird.	863.1950
690		863.6827	Um,	864.1210
692		865.1049	so moving on	866.5458
694		866.7509	the west side for the first time,	868.7500
696		869.7573	was a bit uneasy because I'm like, I probably stick out like a sore thumb, because	873.9213
698		874.3596	I mean, like, I've only been on the east side. I don't even know like,	877.3194
700		878.1681	the backstreets over [here.]	879.7262
701	ROC_int_01	879.5583	[Mm-hm.]	880.2391
702	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	880.0899	[So] I'm just like, alright,	881.1372
703		881.4682	go to school, go to work,	883.0676
705		883.4733	walk to the corner store, that's about it.	885.2918
707		885.8747	Um,	886.3177
709		886.9367	and then it kind of just like, kind of went away. I started realizing that's really just a mentality.	890.8675
711		891.3711	Like, it's like,	891.9213
713		893.9159	I done been everywhere.	894.8539
715		895.0637	So,	895.5067
717		895.7398	you know what I mean? Like,	896.3973
719		897.6003	what am I scared of? It's not that I'm of scared of anything. It's like, uh, it was just a little uneasy.	902.4945
721		903.1519	Um, from there, I ended up moving into Brighton,	906.7793
723		907.2168	for about a few months.	908.5831
725		908.7742	Moved over across from /RD-ADDRESS-3/ and /RD-ADDRESS-3/.	912.3262
727		913.1096	And that-	913.7204
729		915.0432	that reminded me of Canandaigua.	917.1838
731		917.9392	The people did not want us there.	919.6645
732	ROC_int_01	920.4385	Mm.	920.6270
733	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	920.5935	Like,	921.1900
734		922.0472	they would make	922.7147
736		923.4216	absurd complaints about us.	924.9837
738		925.4360	Oh,	925.9442
740		926.1820	there's a weed smell coming from their apartment,	928.8947
742		929.3330	their dogs are barking. Now mind you,	931.4546
744		932.7929	can't possibly be a weed smell because	935.1278
746		935.4356	my roommate's at work.	936.5360
748		936.6246	I dropped him off there. He didn't have a car.	938.6343
750		939.0120	And I'm currently at school, while I'm talking on the phone.	941.5428
752		942.1583	The dogs are not there.	943.2448
754		944.2342	So I'm like, alright,	945.5165
756		946.2999	this is like, some like,	947.5076
758		947.7396	profiling type junk.	949.0404
759	ROC_int_01	949.0499	Mm-hm.	949.6139
760	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	949.6279	And, um,	950.4487
762		950.8964	in the end, it ended up getting really bad, but, uh, went in and basically was like look, y'all don't want us here.	956.2902
764		957.0876	Don't lie to me.	957.9315
766		958.2160	And (laughing)	958.9294
768		959.1800	we don't wanna be here, honestly. So, uh, we agreed to like, terminate the lease.	963.0129
770		963.5492	And, uh, we moved	965.0040
772		965.1241	and ended up moving on /RD-ADDRESS-3/, which is in the /RD-ADDRESS-2/ again.	968.8311
774		969.2834	And that-	969.8942
776		970.3978	that was like-	971.4235
778		971.6193	that-	971.8340
780		972.2385	that was- I would probably say that was home.	973.9432
782		974.2090	Like,	974.4701
784		976.4584	over there it was right behind /RD-ADDRESS-5/.	978.6582
786		978.8960	I used to wake up in the morning,	980.1037
788		980.3974	jog around the block.	981.4932
790		981.8849	S- I'm like,	982.4351
792		982.8949	/I could walk-/ I wake up and jog around the block. That's [cool.] (laughing)	986.1456
793	ROC_int_01	985.4303	[<laugh>]	986.2043
794	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	986.7798	Um,	987.3300
796		988.4631	a lot of just	989.3211
798		989.5764	friendly people, like you just walk down the street and people just,	992.0878
800		992.3722	hey how you doing? Hey, how you doing? I don't know you. Probably won't ever see you again.	996.6469
802		997.2112	But it was just-	998.0371
804		998.1397	it was just different.	998.9803
806		999.8896	I could say like, living in all these different places in Rochester, you kind of really-	1004.2855
808		1005.6263	Rochester seems divided,	1007.2325
810		1007.5997	or it's- seems like it's being portrayed to be divided,	1010.5373
812		1011.1761	but really,	1011.9782
814		1013.2957	everybody knows somebody in some type of way.	1016.2286
816		1016.5492	Um,	1016.8896
818		1017.7616	definitely	1018.6436
820		1018.7672	being, um,	1019.8365
822		1020.1676	in the arts, like community, you start realizing that	1022.9782
824		1023.4538	really really quick [like],	1025.2164
825	ROC_int_01	1024.9730	[Mm-hm.]	1025.4859
826	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1025.7152	oh you know so and so?	1026.8249
828		1026.9742	Yeah I know so and so.	1028.0233
830		1028.4197	Oh okay. Or you go to a show	1029.9984
832		1030.7864	other people pop up.	1031.8542
834		1032.4231	Hey what's up? Hey what's up?	1034.7311
836		1035.4129	So it's, um,	1036.1776
838		1037.1381	mm (I don't know intonation) that's-	1038.0101
840		1038.7923	Well, right now I'm living on /RD-ADDRESS-3/,	1040.4888
842		1040.6427	which is a new part of Rochester that I haven't lived in.	1043.1055
844		1043.7443	Over on like the northeast side.	1045.2959
846		1045.9207	It's pretty quiet though.	1047.0725
847	ROC_int_01	1047.4875	[Mm-hm]	1047.8418
848	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1047.4921	[I like it.]	1048.0750
849		1049.0915	Very homey.	1049.7956
851		1050.5265	Yeah that's kind of	1051.3192
853		1051.5057	all the places that I've lived in Rochester.	1053.4408
854	ROC_int_01	1053.6973	Yeah,	1054.1645
856		1054.6728	yeah, so- but you would overall say you're more of a-	1057.5011
858		1057.7007	let me turn this up,	1058.4592
860		1058.7554	more of a city-	1059.9677
861	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1060.4490	[Definitely more of a city guy.] I don't like the- nah, the- the suburbs, or	1065.4548
862	ROC_int_01	1060.6308	[Uh, yeah] <laugh>	1062.0147
863	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1066.1869	I don't even know what you call Canandaigua. You can't /unintelligible/	1068.9986
864	ROC_int_01	1069.0208	Yeah,	1069.3417
866		1069.8966	right. That's like a point beyond [suburbs in] our minds right? Yeah.	1073.8189
867	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1071.7766	[Yeah]	1072.4154
868		1073.8376	I'm like, I need-	1075.0963
870		1075.2922	I need people.	1076.3787
872		1076.7076	I need like community. Definitely like community.	1079.5391
873	ROC_int_01	1080.1220	Okay,	1080.4820
875		1081.2679	cool.	1081.6223
877		1082.1072	Um, <ts>	1082.9662
879		1083.3942	w- I wanted to talk, also, with you about y- schools you went to. So I know you went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/. [Um,]	1089.1564
880	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1088.8533	[Mm-hm]	1089.1424
881	ROC_int_01	1089.6040	And	1090.0936
883		1090.3808	what made you decide to go to that particular high school? What was it?	1094.2471
884	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1094.3031	Um,	1094.7787
886		1095.0258	honestly, my mom picked every single school that I went to.	1098.6302
888		1099.0814	Um,	1099.4451
890		1100.1632	so it started of with pre-K at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1102.7791
892		1103.6033	And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/,	1105.7995
894		1106.6668	um, from K through second.	1108.9963
896		1109.3553	After /RD-SCHOOL-4/, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/, from third until six.	1114.2522
898		1114.7931	At /RD-SCHOOL-2/, is where	1117.1653
900		1118.6575	I started realizing why I was different from other people. Cause like,	1121.7443
902		1122.2759	I was in fourth grade literally like a week. And they come up to me and are like,	1125.9631
904		1126.5646	have you ever heard about the /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	1128.6096
906		1129.0200	And I'm like,	1130.0178
908		1130.2463	no.	1131.2069
909	ROC_int_01	1131.2442	<laugh>	1131.6833
910	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1131.7206	And they're like (laughing)	1132.6065
912		1132.8910	so Monday, you're gonna go into this new class, and you're gonna sh- I'm like, I didn't even get to start with this new class yet.	1139.5960
914		1140.1183	And they're like, no.	1141.0674
916		1141.7575	We're doi- we're giving you the work and you're just basically sitting there cause you're getting it done. I'm like, okay so what's the /RD-SCHOOL-3/? And they basically broke it down. It's the /RD-SCHOOL-7/. You'll learn,	1151.4599
918		1152.1033	um, at a faster rate. And you'll learn, you know, stuff like a grade ahead of you. I'm like,	1156.2382
920		1156.9609	okay cool.	1158.2199
922		1158.4158	So I go,	1159.0160
924		1159.2586	I shadow this program. Everybody's looking at me like	1162.3388
926		1162.8024	I'm a test subject, because they've already been here. They already been with these kids. So I'm the new guy.	1167.9891
928		1168.5133	Um,	1168.9376
930		1170.2712	and I decided to do it really because like,	1172.4981
932		1172.9691	the other class was really just, so boring.	1175.3646
934		1175.8216	And then I get into this /RD-SCHOOL-1/ class and I'm like, alright.	1178.5152
936		1179.5784	What I liked about that is really	1181.5232
938		1182.4511	even though the work- I mean, I- it still wasn't really that much more challenging for me,	1186.7678
940		1187.8088	I found teachers that would	1190.2052
942		1191.1649	teach me things that are challenging, even if it's on like a individual level.	1195.0806
944		1195.3717	So,	1195.8484
946		1196.2041	um, fourth grade is where I first learned how to play chess.	1198.8051
948		1199.1735	Um,	1199.7361
950		1200.5382	fifth grade I put a whole- Um, we dissected like, owl pellets.	1205.9658
952		1206.5813	And I got to put like a whole skeletal system of a vole together. Which	1211.6266
954		1211.9622	w- was dope.	1212.8879
955	ROC_int_01	1213.1052	Mm-hm.	1213.4725
956	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1213.4082	And then, um,	1214.4486
957		1214.5651	in sixth grade I learned, uh, there's this game called Magic the Gathering.	1219.4719
959		1220.5234	It's like a card game. I ended up learning that.	1223.0600
961		1224.1325	And by the time I got, um,	1225.9790
963		1226.5665	into sixth grade, my mom had heard that /RD-SCHOOL-4/ was talking about doing a middle school	1231.7330
965		1232.1900	for seventh and eighth.	1233.5306
967		1233.8850	So I started a interview process. Got to shadow at the high school.	1237.4661
969		1238.5199	Which was cool cause I mean, sixth grade, I'm in high school for a day.	1241.9417
971		1242.0419	I'm the man. [<laugh>]	1243.2391
972	ROC_int_01	1243.0630	[Yeah.]	1243.3786
973	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1243.6541	Um,	1244.1247
975		1245.1416	and I ended up getting into	1247.8309
977		1248.0827	the middle school.	1248.9345
979		1249.6153	Start at seventh grade,	1251.0328
981		1252.3477	went through to eighth grade, and then	1255.0759
983		1255.4256	went to ninth grade.	1256.4049
985		1256.6333	Um,	1257.1785
987		1257.8290	the middle school for /RD-SCHOOL-4/	1260.1698
989		1261.5189	tried to like embody the high school like philosophy,	1265.3643
991		1266.3065	but	1266.8844
993		1268.1037	didn't end up really working out too well.	1270.6310
995		1270.7523	Um, I remember like, my grade- well, like- yeah my grade, or my class	1275.1540
997		1275.6017	was pretty much like the- the test subjects for certain things. Okay,	1279.4396
999		1279.8080	we're gonna have them	1281.2570
1001		1282.2176	move like this.	1283.8993
1003		1284.8506	Okay that didn't work. Okay we're gonna have them do- So it was a lot of just constant changing.	1289.2803
1005		1289.6720	Um, but the plus side, we did keep the same teachers.	1292.3349
1007		1292.5074	Like, our teachers moved up with us. So like second year and eighth grade I didn't have to learn	1296.5723
1009		1297.1645	new names, or new people, or	1299.0390
1011		1299.5846	they didn't have to re-figure me out.	1301.5494
1013		1303.1336	But once I got into the high school, the high school-	1305.5586
1015		1306.2393	the high school is really where I would say I thrived,	1308.9722
1017		1309.1004	because it allowed me to find myself as a individual.	1312.2158
1019		1312.6308	It allowed me to work	1313.7499
1021		1313.9364	at my own pace.	1315.1735
1023		1315.6841	Um,	1316.1597
1025		1316.8871	and it opened a lot of different opportunities.	1319.1175
1027		1319.2994	Like, um,	1320.1681
1029		1320.3640	I've always been into art.	1321.5593
1031		1322.1189	So,	1322.8370
1033		1323.4152	I think it was like,	1324.5063
1035		1325.0472	by my tenth grade, I had maxed out all the art classes at my high school.	1328.4518
1037		1328.8871	So my art teacher went and got me into a program where I took art classes with a guy who studied at Disney.	1336.2890
1039		1336.7226	His name was /RD-NAME-4/.	1338.0142
1041		1338.1460	Um,	1338.5580
1043		1339.2014	and he offered	1340.2932
1045		1340.6290	a certain amount of scholarships to	1342.8921
1047		1343.3303	city school kids.	1344.4436
1049		1344.9798	So for that year, I basically got to	1347.8740
1051		1348.1957	learn under him	1349.1469
1053		1349.5200	human forms, shading, and all this other stuff.	1352.4471
1055		1352.8405	What I didn't know	1353.9206
1057		1354.0651	was	1354.7366
1059		1354.8998	after that he basically	1356.7853
1061		1357.8671	hand picked who he wanted to come to his actual advanced class.	1362.2409
1063		1362.7183	So my eleventh grade year,	1364.7588
1065		1365.0923	I ended up really like,	1366.5821
1067		1367.0507	diving into like	1368.3360
1069		1368.8319	still lifes, and	1370.5106
1071		1370.7438	sculpting, and all this different stuff.	1372.9551
1073		1373.3922	And I was like, oh this is cool. (whispered) And it's stuff that like,	1376.5070
1075		1376.7099	working with	1377.3267
1077		1377.7836	oil paints, and mineral spir- These are things you would never work with,	1381.0774
1079		1381.3665	like actually in school.	1382.7087
1081		1383.6856	So I got to really really dive into like my interests.	1386.9228
1083		1387.3472	Um,	1387.8647
1085		1388.6283	got to play football. Always played football. Played football from like seven until seventeen.	1393.4777
1087		1394.0536	Um, going to /RD-SCHOOL-4/ you're like, we don't have a football team, but	1397.5321
1089		1397.7888	<snap>	1397.9053
1091		1398.5628	we'll get you into /RD-SCHOOL-2/. So I played football for /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	1401.4014
1093		1401.9223	Um,	1402.4259
1095		1405.6456	I mean, I found poetry at [/RD-SCHOOL-4/.] Um,	1408.5646
1096	ROC_int_01	1407.3499	[Mm-hm.]	1407.9747
1097	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1409.7245	I wanna say that was a mistake, but seeing as how my life turned out, can't be a mistake.	1414.0605
1099		1414.4352	<laugh>	1414.9558
1101		1415.7345	Uh,	1416.5498
1103		1417.1606	I don't know. /RD-SCHOOL-4/ is really-	1419.1144
1105		1419.9304	like I said, it was really based off the individual. I mean, I- I meet people that are like,	1423.6642
1107		1424.0678	/RD-SCHOOL-4/ didn't teach me anything. And I'm like,	1426.6200
1109		1426.7629	uh, no, I remember you being there. You didn't wanna learn anything.	1430.9351
1111		1431.3827	Um,	1431.8257
1113		1432.5717	I had	1433.5976
1115		1433.8401	the math teacher- the math teacher	1435.5420
1117		1435.9850	I was	1436.3021
1119		1436.4653	up	1436.6471
1121		1437.0936	in- in- when I got to the middle school, I skipped up a grade in	1440.8815
1123		1441.0634	math.	1441.5560
1125		1442.0538	So seventh grade year, I was actually in the eighth grade class with the eighth graders taking math.	1446.5348
1127		1447.0617	And then my eighth grade year, they had to get me a, um,	1450.1055
1129		1450.4459	one on one like math teacher.	1451.8867
1131		1452.5255	So when I got into the high school, I was already just like	1455.4543
1133		1455.6858	a one year ahead.	1456.9541
1135		1458.0546	So by the time I got to eleventh grade,	1460.5823
1137		1460.9770	they had to have the math teacher- he would give me-	1464.1571
1139		1464.7773	first he was like, well,	1466.2415
1141		1466.5481	since you took this stuff last year, you have to teach your peers.	1469.2898
1143		1469.5649	So I [would teach] them. And then he was like, based off of how well and how quick you teach them,	1473.5599
1144	ROC_int_01	1469.8193	[Mm.]	1470.0515
1145	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1473.9982	then I'll teach you calculus.	1475.3474
1147		1475.5992	And I'm like, okay so first, you know, I'm not really learning nothing because I'm not teaching well.	1479.6392
1149		1480.1381	But eventually, um,	1481.7561
1151		1482.0592	he taught me- he taught me calculus and I'm sitting here I'm like, okay, (whispered)	1485.3687
1153		1485.9749	derivatives	1486.9961
1155		1487.4484	huh,	1488.0685
1157		1488.8659	okay.	1489.3182
1159		1489.7401	And, um,	1490.6786
1161		1491.2941	the thing about /RD-SCHOOL-4/ is we don't take Regents.	1493.8914
1163		1494.6094	[So],	1495.2576
1164	ROC_int_01	1495.1771	[Right.]	1495.4662
1165	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1495.8078	we had-	1496.7812
1167		1496.8931	from ninth grade until eleventh grade, you kept a portfolio basically	1502.0922
1169		1502.2321	all of your work.	1503.1962
1171		1503.6438	Um, eleventh grade year,	1505.1826
1173		1505.3132	you would have	1506.3203
1175		1506.9358	what they called I-	1507.8031
1177		1507.9745	I think it was like your summative portfolio.	1510.0775
1179		1510.5484	Where you would display	1511.9007
1181		1512.3576	your knowledge	1513.2483
1183		1513.5327	in something in	1514.9770
1185		1515.2148	all four areas. Science,	1517.0567
1187		1517.6489	social studies, English, math.	1519.7518
1189		1520.8418	And each one had a core like requirement.	1523.0567
1191		1523.5510	So science you had to develop an original experiment,	1526.5818
1193		1527.5739	carry the whole experiment out,	1529.0474
1195		1529.5510	and then come back and report your findings.	1532.0876
1197		1533.1029	Social Studies, you had to complete a ten page research paper.	1536.0872
1199		1536.6840	Which,	1537.0198
1201		1537.7518	oh my gosh,	1538.7344
1203		1539.4527	<laugh>	1540.0607
1205		1541.0054	I was-	1541.6162
1207		1541.8914	I mean, my research paper ended up being fun, but it was just like, oh (whispering)	1545.0050
1209		1545.3827	ten pages, (whispering)	1546.0942
1211		1546.4164	ah. (whispering)	1546.7769
1213		1547.8867	Stay tuned for college. Um, [<laugh>]	1550.2963
1214	ROC_int_01	1549.5700	[<laugh>]	1550.2554
1215	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1551.1216	um,	1551.5879
1217		1551.6718	English, English it was- you had to write	1554.3716
1219		1554.5162	a thesis paper, and then you had to defend it against the English teachers.	1558.3759
1221		1559.1546	And then, uh, math, you had to basically apply	1563.0423
1223		1563.5972	a real-life application problem.	1565.5603
1225		1566.0452	And since I was doing calculus,	1567.9244
1227		1568.3067	my teacher's like, okay so,	1570.2453
1229		1570.7816	meteors coming to strike the earth.	1572.4835
1231		1572.9498	You have to intercept it at the right time, so it'll fall, and I'm like,	1576.0542
1233		1577.2432	this is big.	1578.0499
1234	ROC_int_01	1578.0859	[<laugh>]	1579.2703
1235	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1578.4310	[This is big. (laughing)]	1579.2203
1236		1579.7518	Um,	1580.2508
1238		1580.7113	but the thing that I realized was like,	1582.4039
1240		1583.9380	they were looking for	1585.4954
1242		1586.0130	the work.	1586.6798
1244		1587.1402	The- the- the- the-	1588.5951
1246		1589.0147	the attempt, the effort,	1590.3157
1248		1590.5348	the	1591.0058
1250		1591.6586	okay,	1592.3662
1252		1593.2848	this isn't working,	1594.4038
1254		1594.5303	go back and correct it. They weren't really like,	1597.0011
1256		1597.4021	you need to have the right answer to pass. And that was-	1600.4692
1258		1601.3691	I would say that was also another like character building moment, because	1604.8651
1260		1605.7930	I remember seeing a lot of people just like, break down and just start crying. I'm just like,	1610.4186
1262		1611.1589	dude you got corrections. We all got corrections.	1613.8680
1264		1614.0732	If you sit here and cry about it, you're gonna stay in eleventh grade.	1616.8511
1266		1617.3174	And like, I don't wanna stay in eleventh grade.	1619.5510
1268		1619.7048	Or I don't wanna have to redo any of this over. So like,	1622.6273
1270		1623.0750	alright, go back and make your corrections.	1625.0397
1272		1626.1338	And then, um,	1627.1363
1274		1627.7332	after you pass it,	1628.7998
1276		1629.3268	it was pretty much like okay,	1630.9634
1278		1631.3738	senior year you have your senior project.	1633.4504
1280		1633.5996	And senior project, you had to pick	1635.9096
1282		1636.4878	some type of skill, or talent that you had	1638.9032
1284		1639.1643	no background in.	1640.4466
1286		1641.1402	And you did it for	1643.1360
1288		1643.5836	eight months.	1644.3763
1290		1644.7213	And at the end, you'll have- um,	1646.7344
1292		1648.4832	you'll have like a final meeting. So basically you would have to get	1651.4861
1294		1651.8777	two community experts,	1653.3081
1296		1653.5786	based off of whatever your project was.	1655.5929
1298		1656.0452	You would have to get	1656.9405
1300		1657.0477	two advisors, who are	1658.4932
1302		1658.6786	teachers in the building. And then you would have to have two students.	1662.0033
1304		1662.6607	And	1663.2016
1306		1663.3788	the idea was	1664.7217
1308		1665.3734	you would want	1666.0262
1310		1666.1987	the students to be juniors.	1667.6955
1312		1668.8379	So like,	1669.3963
1314		1669.5688	before I got to my senior year, I sat on probably like five different senior committees, really, so you kno- understand and know what it looks like and how the process goes.	1677.6625
1316		1678.1987	Um, my senior project was capoeira.	1680.8845
1318		1681.5455	Which, uh, that year I ended up quitting football because	1684.9308
1320		1685.2152	I had to focus on that and I couldn't get injured.	1687.2856
1322		1687.7938	Um,	1688.1668
1324		1689.6671	and	1690.2127
1326		1690.5484	the senior project is re- was another- Like,	1692.8659
1328		1693.6241	I could say /RD-SCHOOL-4/ definitely f- I found my identity and- and- and	1697.7841
1330		1698.1804	developed, again, like a lot of- a lot of different character,	1700.8978
1332		1701.2195	uh,	1701.6252
1334		1702.0728	traits.	1702.6324
1335	ROC_int_01	1702.6447	Mm-hm.	1703.0138
1336	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1703.3784	It's like,	1704.1245
1338		1704.8752	okay,	1705.4254
1340		1706.7998	I know I don't really feel like waking up	1708.8561
1342		1709.0239	on	1709.8108
1344		1709.9414	Sunday afternoon to go do this,	1712.4795
1346		1712.8418	knowing that Sundays is	1714.4039
1348		1714.6697	Crossfit workout days and	1716.7586
1350		1717.3602	I gotta go to school tomorrow. And then, m- also senior year I had a job. And I'm just like,	1722.4744
1352		1722.9825	<sigh> alright.	1724.0549
1354		1724.6693	Um,	1725.0983
1356		1725.2568	but luckily like senior year I didn't really have much classes	1727.7281
1358		1727.9100	because I had- um,	1729.3742
1360		1729.8964	like I said, you work at your own pace.	1731.4527
1362		1731.7511	So,	1732.1894
1364		1732.9774	I was just racking up credits in my first three years.	1735.7938
1366		1736.0083	Getting whatever I needed out the way	1737.7697
1368		1738.7956	so senior year, I could have that like relax time and focus really just on my project, but still, it's still-	1744.9821
1370		1745.7048	I mean, it still was a push. Like,	1747.1130
1372		1747.6586	you still	1748.2927
1374		1748.5947	are	1749.0330
1376		1749.4480	a seventeen year old, eighteen year old like,	1751.9866
1378		1752.6794	okay I got all this free time, or	1754.8325
1380		1755.0703	I'm ahead of the game, so	1756.5999
1382		1756.7725	I'm'a just slack a little bit.	1758.2038
1384		1758.6794	And I guess it was really just	1760.3580
1386		1761.0097	making sure that I'm just like, no,	1763.0427
1388		1763.3644	no, I gotta hold myself accountable, I still got this.	1765.8952
1390		1766.4455	Um,	1766.8092
1392		1767.6205	graduating /RD-SCHOOL-4/ and going into college,	1770.8146
1394		1772.4501	and really the real world, cause when I went into college I was going to school, but I was also	1777.5840
1396		1778.3627	at that time, like really working and supporting myself.	1781.5883
1398		1783.8358	It developed me for the real world.	1785.6205
1400		1785.9096	I remember,	1786.5624
1402		1787.0101	um, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/	1788.6561
1404		1789.1830	sitting in freshman seminar and these kids are like, ha,	1793.2992
1406		1793.5883	I gotta go home and have my mom wash my clothes because I don't know how. And I'm like,	1797.7091
1408		1799.3085	what do you mean?	1799.7841
1410		1800.5644	What are you talking about?	1801.5140
1412		1802.3848	Or, oh, I gotta go and ask so-and-so for money because- I'm like,	1805.9753
1414		1806.4882	you don't have a job.	1807.2622
1416		1807.6213	Oh my gosh,	1808.5119
1418		1808.9257	this college campus is literally your world. Like,	1811.9520
1420		1812.5721	you don't-	1813.0151
1422		1814.0876	you don't know there's so much	1816.0682
1424		1816.6324	like literally less than ten miles away from you. Like,	1819.4631
1426		1819.7708	you've never been to the city. You've just been-	1821.8272
1428		1822.2562	you haven't even been to Fairport. You're just	1824.0234
1430		1824.9921	in this bubble, in this dome.	1826.7594
1432		1827.2583	And that,	1827.9018
1434		1828.5080	that right there made me /realize-/ I'm like oh, (whispered)	1831.3139
1436		1833.2583	like,	1833.8923
1438		1835.0255	you can be book smart,	1836.4046
1440		1836.8942	but like,	1837.5983
1442		1838.5915	there's a different type of something out here,	1841.4032
1444		1841.7809	that you definitely need in life.	1843.6509
1446		1843.8921	And it's like, luckily I have it, but I don't know how to convey it or express it to these people.	1848.7403
1447	ROC_int_01	1848.7403	Mm-hm.	1849.0388
1448	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1849.4631	And, um,	1850.2838
1450		1852.1209	my freshman year, my learning community was-	1855.5720
1452		1856.4516	it was like the beginning of like,	1858.6991
1454		1859.0255	alternative literacies and like discourse communities.	1862.1812
1456		1862.7081	And I remember like, being in class and	1865.6399
1458		1866.1202	/RD-SCHOOL-2/-	1866.6517
1460		1867.1926	/RD-SCHOOL-2/	1867.7662
1462		1868.0459	main thing is like, okay (whispered),	1869.5025
1464		1869.7945	we got diversity	1870.9323
1466		1871.7052	quote, unquote.	1872.9221
1468		1873.2345	Cause I'm like in this class with	1875.5101
1470		1876.1862	forty other kids.	1877.5991
1472		1878.3533	And,	1879.3185
1474		1880.1392	I'm the only one from the inner-city.	1881.7855
1476		1882.7364	Pretty much the only one of any type of color.	1885.3232
1478		1886.0133	There was another guy who was	1887.4075
1480		1888.5313	Puerto Rican	1889.3380
1482		1890.1761	-ish.	1890.6564
1484		1891.6636	So it was like-	1892.7174
1486		1893.1464	but he lived in mo-	1894.3214
1488		1894.6618	he lived in the suburb.	1895.6737
1490		1895.9954	So I'm like-	1896.6144
1492		1897.3558	So we're reading all these like scholarly articles on these different alternative literacies, and	1903.0061
1494		1903.7615	you get these kids who are just like, raising their hand. And like their views are like, so like,	1908.2601
1496		1908.5725	close minded. And I'm just like, um,	1911.3532
1498		1911.9671	no,	1912.6339
1500		1913.1037	it's not really how it works. And everybody's looking at me like,	1916.3629
1502		1917.2909	what?	1917.7106
1504		1918.3494	And like I'm	1919.1001
1506		1919.3986	speaking from like my experience and they're just like,	1921.9200
1508		1923.2350	no, no. And I had a professor	1926.0094
1510		1927.2299	who was like,	1928.1672
1512		1928.4423	no like, yes that's really how it is. Like	1931.1561
1514		1931.6865	cause she like, dove into it. She was actually going for her	1935.7013
1516		1936.3774	doctorate	1936.8844
1518		1937.0429	at the time	1937.7470
1520		1937.9522	in	1938.3486
1522		1938.4699	what she was teaching.	1939.7614
1524		1940.1764	So,	1940.6661
1526		1941.3469	she's like, yeah this is-	1942.9929
1528		1943.3333	this is what the like	1944.4699
1530		1944.7823	inner-city is like. These are s- real life situations that	1948.1769
1532		1948.7924	other people have to come from.	1950.1713
1534		1950.6238	And	1951.1600
1536		1952.6708	I just remember feeling like, I'm like, okay, now I'm just like that-	1955.8649
1538		1956.0875	that outside-	1957.3791
1540		1957.7615	that outside guy. Like,	1959.2490
1542		1959.9764	I'm a commuter.	1960.8390
1544		1961.8136	I'm in a class with	1962.9035
1546		1964.0459	privileged kids who never really faced any adversity.	1967.5618
1548		1968.2367	Who never really s- s- had to deal with anyone	1971.9950
1550		1972.2748	like me.	1972.9136
1552		1973.5933	And they're probably f- trying to figure out, um, what is he doing here?	1977.3795
1554		1977.9111	So, um,	1978.7085
1556		1978.8996	yeah it was-	1979.8835
1558		1982.2185	college was very interesting.	1983.9950
1560		1984.3448	College was a very interesting experience /?/	1987.2626
1562		1988.2558	um,	1988.7500
1564		1989.9111	I enjoyed it	1990.8763
1566		1991.4487	for what it was,	1992.5072
1568		1993.0294	but I'm glad that	1994.5355
1570		1995.3096	I was a commuter.	1996.2841
1571	ROC_int_01	1996.8390	Mm-hm.	1997.3629
1572	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	1997.4872	Um,	1997.9348
1574		1999.9107	like,	2000.2558
1576		2000.4376	the education I got from /RD-SCHOOL-2/	2002.4804
1578		2002.6017	was-	2003.4359
1580		2004.5865	was top tier,	2005.5265
1582		2005.8244	[but again], um,	2007.2257
1583	ROC_int_01	2005.8321	[Mm-hm.]	2006.2965
1584	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2008.5919	had to take it into your own hands.	2010.2738
1586		2010.6657	I remember	2011.3885
1588		2011.9760	like by the time like eleventh grade, I'm like oh, um, I want a class about so and so and so and so. They're like,	2018.4236
1590		2019.2257	create it. I'm like,	2020.4427
1592		2020.7345	you're gonna be my advisor? Yeah I'll be your advisor. Okay, so I-	2024.1744
1594		2024.6642	by the time eleventh grade, I was creating my own classes and	2028.1847
1596		2029.2760	doing the work and basically making my own like, assignments and curriculum. Like, do you think this is enough? I remember I had- I had one, um,	2036.8227
1598		2037.3730	she was actually my	2038.4081
1600		2038.9304	actual English advisor.	2040.4100
1602		2040.6382	She's like,	2041.2338
1604		2042.1419	that's too much. I'm like,	2043.5548
1606		2044.2169	really? You sure?	2045.1122
1608		2045.3267	I- I- just- I feel like it's not enough. She's like no no no,	2048.0749
1610		2048.3964	no no.	2048.9117
1612		2050.1470	Scale it down a bit, and then	2051.7837
1614		2052.7023	it was- it was nice. It was dope.	2054.0405
1616		2054.1746	I got to- I got to learn, again, a lot about myself and a lot-	2057.9096
1618		2058.6230	I would say like college	2059.7887
1620		2060.4963	took me outside of myself and really learning about	2063.6484
1622		2063.9329	other people.	2064.7607
1624		2065.1531	Um, I'm a very introverted type of person.	2067.2237
1626		2067.6994	And I would say,	2068.7299
1628		2069.0050	up until	2069.9893
1630		2070.1925	seventeen and I started slam poetry.	2072.4357
1632		2073.4755	I was still very just-	2075.2288
1634		2076.3152	I saw the world around me, but it was just like, I don't wanna participate in that. So I'm'a just stay in my bubble.	2081.2754
1635	ROC_int_01	2081.2987	Mm-hm.	2081.7790
1636	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2081.7151	Um,	2082.1427
1637		2083.2711	but	2083.6908
1639		2083.9368	in finding my voice, I started realizing that like no, like,	2087.3920
1641		2087.8723	I gotta start doing something about this.	2089.6162
1643		2090.0720	And, um,	2090.8833
1645		2091.4615	I would say college definitely	2093.1215
1647		2093.3154	helped,	2093.9189
1649		2094.5018	um, with,	2095.3469
1651		2095.6628	the education	2096.6968
1653		2096.8880	of how to do that,	2098.2449
1655		2098.6692	um,	2099.1635
1657		2099.7137	but also really	2100.8235
1659		2102.1280	pushing me and encouraging me to do that,	2104.2212
1661		2104.3630	and allowing me to do that. I remember one time,	2106.6603
1663		2107.0240	I did like a flash performance in the hallway	2109.2899
1665		2110.0118	and, (laughing)	2110.7065
1667		2112.6789	um,	2113.1686
1669		2114.2352	everybody just stopped.	2115.2191
1671		2115.7646	Like,	2116.0864
1673		2116.6692	it's like,	2117.0936
1675		2118.2779	two hundred students just backing up the hallways.	2121.1025
1677		2121.4942	So like people are coming out of class and everybody's just like crowding around. And they're like-	2125.5311
1679		2126.1839	Next thing I know, I get campus security. <sound effect>	2128.9257
1681		2129.0796	Running. <sound effect>	2131.6162
1683		2132.0300	Move, move, move, move, move, what are you doing?	2134.1983
1685		2134.4361	Luckily I had my advisor, like right there with me.	2137.3318
1687		2137.6255	She's like, no,	2138.5010
1689		2138.7621	he's doing a performance, da da da da,	2140.8138
1691		2141.0236	stop, you gotta wait until after he's done. (laughing)	2143.3073
1693		2143.7223	So, (laughing)	2144.3285
1694	ROC_int_01	2144.5855	[Wow.]	2144.8313
1695	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2144.6968	[they] waited until after I was done. And they're like, you can't do that, it's a fire hazard. And I'm like, well,	2150.5477
1696		2150.9353	it was	2151.2144
1698		2151.4988	nobody here when I started. Like, (laughing)	2153.3267
1700		2153.9702	so, um, I ended up	2155.5089
1702		2155.6477	getting like, a little like, e-mail from the Dean.	2158.5200
1704		2158.7392	It was just,	2159.3780
1706		2159.7510	kind of weird, because like,	2161.2478
1708		2162.4544	on the same token, and we're like, I would get reprimanded.	2164.9164
1710		2165.7137	Like they had, uh, /RD-NAME-4/	2167.9706
1712		2168.0830	from /RD-SCHOOL-7/ come up.	2170.0584
1714		2170.4967	And they're like-	2171.2614
1716		2172.0868	I get another email.	2173.0660
1718		2174.2305	We want you to have lunch with /RD-NAME-4/.	2176.2776
1720		2176.5247	So I'm [like-]	2177.2334
1721	ROC_int_01	2177.1728	[Mm.]	2177.5132
1722		2178.3832	Course.	2178.9727
1723	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2179.1173	You know?	2179.5416
1725		2179.8260	[/Yeah./]	2180.2282
1726	ROC_int_01	2179.9694	[Mm-hm.]	2180.3984
1727	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2180.5616	Um,	2180.9766
1729		2181.1491	now mind you like,	2181.9092
1731		2182.3009	Me and him we had-	2183.0749
1733		2183.8210	It was three other students.	2185.0800
1735		2185.2385	They kind of pretty much got pushed to the side. Cause we were just sitting here and then we're like, /??/ I-	2189.3314
1737		2189.5132	I got all these theories. I'm like,	2191.0100
1739		2191.5929	what if	2192.1244
1741		2192.2259	in, um-	2192.9766
1743		2193.8159	I use like, again, like my environment I was like, um, so if we're talking about like alternative literacies like,	2199.5175
1745		2199.8113	how do you feel about if you take	2201.6718
1747		2202.0121	someone. I'm like hey,	2203.2665
1749		2203.8120	be honest with you man, from the hood. So,	2205.6378
1751		2206.3708	I'm like, you take a drug dealer,	2207.7230
1753		2207.9142	alright? Mm-mm,	2208.8608
1756		2209.1452	he has skills.	2210.1478
1758		2210.5383	Has- he has very reputable skills. You take him out of the environment,	2213.8303
1760		2214.0821	you put him in a place where he can learn to- and- and hone those skills, and brush up on those skills. He's like,	2218.6692
1762		2219.8536	you know what (whispered), I think you might be onto something, young man. I'm like-	2222.3424
1764		2222.7574	A-	2222.8554
1766		2223.3403	it was awesome. It was- it was one of- one of- one of the biggest- uh,	2226.2593
1768		2227.0753	one of my favorite like college experiences.	2229.2051
1770		2229.8952	But yeah, it was just like weird. It's like,	2231.6857
1772		2232.8421	so you reprimand me for expressing myself, but	2236.1703
1774		2236.6972	this big wig come to town and you want me to talk to him?	2240.1000
1776		2240.5056	So I don't really know how you guys feel about me. I don't really know how to feel about that.	2244.5157
1778		2245.1359	Um,	2245.4810
1780		2246.1979	but basically,	2247.2097
1782		2247.3823	in the end	2248.3394
1784		2248.4765	of my college career,	2249.9375
1786		2251.1965	they waited until	2252.5849
1788		2252.9906	my-	2253.8252
1790		2254.4641	the-	2254.8045
1792		2254.9490	yeah, the spring semester of my senior year,	2257.3644
1794		2257.8109	to basically be like,	2259.1445
1796		2259.3729	yeah,	2259.8159
1798		2260.3755	you don't have	2261.3174
1800		2262.0028	the number of amount of credits to graduate.	2265.1724
1802		2265.8486	But I'm like,	2266.5247
1804		2266.6786	okay, pull up my degree evaluation let's- let's figure this out.	2270.6409
1806		2271.0885	So they pull up my degree evaluation	2273.0907
1808		2273.1805	and I pass.	2274.9960
1810		2275.8342	Fulfilled every core requirement.	2277.9698
1812		2278.8930	Everything for my major, which was English. Everything for my minor, which was visual performing arts and I took another one, which was communications.	2287.1965
1814		2287.5882	So I was like, so you want me to come back for a year and spend forty thousand dollars to take a bunch of intro level classes?	2293.4297
1816		2293.9193	And they're like,	2294.7015
1818		2296.3988	well, like,	2297.3127
1820		2297.5552	you can t-	2297.9282
1822		2298.0448	I'm like,	2298.3945
1824		2299.3597	there is no more classes I can take.	2301.6434
1826		2301.8672	If you see that like,	2303.0609
1828		2303.2661	I made five different classes for me to take.	2306.1606
1830		2306.5663	And they're just like,	2307.2890
1832		2308.1796	oh, well- I'm like yeah, no, I'm not- I'm not doing this. So,	2311.8202
1834		2312.1653	um,	2312.5663
1836		2313.0046	I guess,	2313.4009
1838		2313.6341	technically I got-	2314.4361
1840		2314.9443	I don't know.	2315.3453
1842		2315.9982	Kicked out,	2316.5064
1844		2316.8282	dropped out.	2317.4017
1846		2318.1839	Um,	2318.6445
1848		2320.4304	I think that was also another like <sound effect>	2322.9064
1850		2323.2549	moment for me.	2324.1222
1852		2324.5979	Like, okay, so what do I do now?	2326.4257
1854		2326.7241	I'm like,	2327.1578
1856		2327.5122	am I a failure?	2328.5147
1858		2328.7420	I'm like,	2329.2409
1860		2329.8984	I don't know if I'm a failure, I just don't w- wanna spend that like-	2333.1811
1862		2333.7080	I could go back,	2334.5567
1864		2334.7327	but it's like,	2335.3342
1866		2336.7284	no. C- also like at that time like, I felt like	2340.1258
1868		2340.4809	my spirit calling for something else. Like,	2343.1845
1870		2344.9713	in college-	2345.7539
1872		2345.8307	college take- took	2347.0043
1874		2347.2015	a lot- a lot of time.	2348.8301
1876		2349.1714	Also like, personal things that I went through in college, I ended up losing my best friend in college.	2353.3482
1878		2353.6653	Um,	2354.2062
1880		2355.1527	my junior year,	2356.2718
1882		2356.5003	uh, spring semester I had to go get a pacemaker.	2359.2969
1884		2359.6373	Literally came out of surgery, went	2361.8428
1886		2362.0667	passed all my finals.	2363.5023
1888		2363.8474	Like- (laughing)	2364.4308
1889	ROC_int_01	2364.7121	Mm.	2364.9856
1890	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2364.9845	like,	2365.2922
1891		2365.5207	I'm like,	2365.8891
1893		2366.0336	okay- nah, no you need to- you need to take some time, figure out what exactly you want to do in life.	2371.7352
1895		2372.3274	And I'm like, I want to help	2374.2905
1897		2374.4444	my community. I wanna help	2376.0018
1899		2376.7059	that place	2377.4415
1901		2377.7492	ten miles away.	2378.6352
1903		2379.2553	So, how do I do that?	2380.7055
1905		2381.2930	And, um,	2382.2676
1907		2383.3295	by this time, I was on rock bottom,	2385.2156
1909		2385.3764	and our executive directer /RD-NAME-3/,	2388.1892
1911		2388.8463	she was like,	2389.6186
1913		2390.7191	n- this is the universe working I swear. Like, (laughing)	2393.5448
1915		2394.0997	me and her was having a meeting, she just called me up one day. She's like, come over, let's have a meeting. I'm like, alright.	2398.7801
1917		2399.1904	I'm thinking I'm in trouble. She's like, so	2401.0263
1919		2401.4788	what are you doing? I'm like,	2402.4626
1921		2403.3859	/man/ I just got kicked out of college. She was like, oh,	2405.5495
1923		2406.2116	great, so	2406.8924
1925		2407.4041	/RD-WORK-4/	2408.2295
1927		2408.5979	they've been contacting me, and they want me to talk to you, and they really want you to join their program. I'm like, what's /RD-WORK-4/?	2415.0781
1929		2415.5491	And I found out that basically /RD-WORK-4/ would allow me to work in schools and really get to	2421.6563
1931		2422.3325	work with the community how I want.	2423.9103
1932	ROC_int_01	2424.0845	Mm.	2424.3550
1933	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2424.5721	So I'm like,	2425.4321
1935		2426.5839	no brainer, sign me up. She's like, well, deadline's in two days. So,	2429.8013
1937		2430.1603	<snap>	2430.2955
1939		2430.3981	get to work. So, (laughing) <laugh>	2432.2349
1941		2432.8683	I went and found a computer and was just like, frantically typing, now /RD-WORK-4/ is like,	2437.1150
1943		2437.8891	extensive. Like, it's basically-	2440.4957
1945		2441.7546	it's slightly less extensive than the Peace Corps. Cause I found out the Peace Corps, you gotta do like video interviews and Skype and [all that.] But, um,	2449.2456
1946	ROC_int_01	2447.9623	[Mm.]	2448.2365
1947	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2450.6864	I went for my interview for /RD-WORK-4/,	2453.0972
1949		2454.0344	left,	2454.6499
1951		2455.0451	literally got called a half an hour later and they're like, we want you. And I'm like,	2458.7848
1953		2459.0878	cool.	2459.5401
1955		2460.3188	And	2460.8799
1957		2462.3880	that really started like,	2463.7822
1959		2464.6915	me getting into the community.	2466.5957
1961		2466.7494	Um,	2467.3109
1963		2468.1222	from /RD-WORK-4/ and- and- and just really like again,	2471.6498
1965		2471.7893	taking advantage of the system.	2473.2409
1967		2473.8005	I think I'm like the only /RD-WORK-4/ in Rochester.	2476.5376
1969		2477.7966	I went to nine different sites. Like,	2479.8052
1971		2480.8403	I had my own site that I was at,	2482.6169
1973		2482.7801	from Monday through Friday.	2484.1155
1975		2484.2171	And then like, on the weekends, I would do Upward Bound at U of R.	2487.8801
1977		2488.2392	And then, um, I did some Upward Bound at MCC and then I hosted something at	2494.1459
1979		2494.9060	Monroe. And I'm just like going to all these different places cause I'm like,	2498.8077
1981		2500.8500	it's community service at the end of the day. Like,	2502.8271
1983		2502.9845	I wanna go	2503.7212
1985		2503.9641	everywhere. I wanna offer my service everywhere touch- excuse me, touch as many people as possible.	2508.8042
1987		2509.9035	And, um,	2510.7428
1989		2511.8946	it allowed me a lot of different connections that,	2514.0442
1991		2514.1701	I mean, I still have today that still allows me do certain things in the community.	2517.9179
1993		2518.2396	I'm like, alright,	2518.8878
1995		2519.2468	I want a event	2519.8903
1997		2520.3006	over here.	2520.8509
1999		2521.0082	Okay let's contact so and so.	2522.9154
2001		2523.3583	Um,	2523.8386
2003		2524.6500	yeah.	2524.9484
2005		2525.9323	I mean, now-	2526.5431
2007		2527.7881	um,	2528.4676
2009		2528.7801	I mean, now I'm at /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	2529.9552
2011		2530.1883	But, uh,	2530.8691
2013		2531.7691	earlier this year I did a contract at /RD-SCHOOL-4/	2535.8060
2015		2536.1930	from September to June.	2538.0209
2017		2538.8648	Which I got from being in /RD-WORK-4/, [um,]	2541.3956
2018	ROC_int_01	2540.9427	[Mm-hm.]	2541.3592
2019	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2542.1697	doing music integration.	2543.9975
2021		2544.6270	And	2545.1213
2023		2546.1833	yeah. I'm like it- it- it was- it was nice,	2548.3842
2025		2548.7479	it was really nice.	2549.3914
2027		2549.8856	But I was really looking for- My thing was, what I started realizing,	2553.2651
2029		2553.4749	um, as in /RD-WORK-4/ is like,	2555.0696
2031		2555.8530	you make progress with kids,	2557.4197
2033		2557.9408	but then like, something may happen at home,	2560.3189
2035		2560.7292	that you have no idea about. And they come the next day and it's just like, yo what's going on?	2565.9645
2037		2566.7805	Something coulda happened.	2568.0908
2039		2568.7576	Um, at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ I'm allowed to- I have that connection with the home, the school, the student, the parent and it's like that full circle.	2576.3139
2041		2576.8128	So I feel like right now, I'm finally at that place where I'm-	2579.5872
2043		2581.0793	this is the job that I want. Like, this is how I feel like I can	2584.4401
2045		2585.1349	really	2585.8017
2047		2586.0955	make some type of	2587.3918
2049		2587.7683	impact or change amongst these	2589.8713
2051		2590.6313	youth.	2591.0510
2052	ROC_int_01	2591.4333	Yeah, /I know/.	2592.1182
2053	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2591.9742	And then with it being a all male school and	2594.9340
2054		2595.5495	kids that	2596.1277
2056		2596.7152	are like me,	2597.5313
2058		2598.0675	I'm like, yo look,	2599.0607
2060		2600.0026	I'm a living example. [Like- (laughing)]	2601.7506
2061	ROC_int_01	2601.6288	[<laugh>]	2602.1950
2062	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2602.0815	[like] it's- it's not easy,	2603.9288
2063		2604.0564	but it can be done.	2605.2565
2065		2605.6109	And	2606.0306
2067		2607.4609	<ts> yeah it's [like],	2608.6593
2068	ROC_int_01	2608.4550	[Yeah.]	2608.9419
2069	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2609.1676	school	2609.8064
2071		2610.0209	job-ish	2610.9208
2073		2611.5445	area.	2611.9921
2074	ROC_int_01	2612.1273	Mm-hm,	2612.5563
2076		2613.0413	that's cool.	2613.8246
2078		2614.4308	Um,	2614.9904
2080		2615.7737	okay, great. [So, I have] a- like	2618.2311
2081	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2617.1400	[<laugh>]	2617.7135
2082	ROC_int_01	2618.7055	a couple more questions. [Um,]	2620.4401
2083	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2619.9972	[Mm-hm.]	2620.3749
2084	ROC_int_01	2620.6127	that are more so geared toward, like,	2622.8415
2086		2623.0007	your thoughts about Rochester.	2624.5882
2087	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2624.5975	[Mm-hm.]	2624.9473
2088	ROC_int_01	2624.7794	[And] sort of how it's changing,	2626.4907
2089		2626.8451	the things that you like,	2628.1647
2091		2628.5144	what you wanna see improved,	2630.1266
2093		2630.5229	those sorts of [things.]	2631.5488
2094	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2631.3343	[Mkay.]	2631.6780
2095		2631.8565	So I got a lot about [Rochester],	2633.4714
2096	ROC_int_01	2632.9710	[Ooh], tell [me. <laugh>]	2634.8688
2097	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2633.9016	[I got a lot about Rochester.]	2635.2500
2098		2635.6510	Um,	2636.2105
2100		2639.5212	growing up as a kid, I would say,	2642.0147
2102		2642.5556	from like,	2643.5861
2104		2644.0897	I guess like,	2644.8964
2106		2645.6984	three	2646.4358
2108		2646.5683	to like nine,	2648.0380
2110		2648.3644	Rochester was-	2649.5255
2112		2650.1736	it was fun. I remember like mid-town downtown used to be booming. McCurdy's, you had Sibley's [like],	2656.6647
2113	ROC_int_01	2656.5037	[/?/]	2656.6782
2114	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2657.3067	it was like the place to be.	2658.6216
2116		2659.1252	Um,	2659.7302
2118		2660.6582	I remember like all the festivals, all- all of that stuff.	2663.8523
2120		2664.3419	And then,	2665.3304
2122		2666.7188	I don't know exactly what happened, but then just	2669.5958
2124		2669.9035	stuff started shutting down.	2671.8375
2126		2672.0520	Um,	2672.6022
2128		2674.3508	I don't know if it was a lack of me not paying attention,	2677.2838
2130		2678.1359	or if this was already just,	2680.5588
2132		2680.7124	uh, uh, a constant thing, but I do remember like being around like eleven and start,	2686.0477
2134		2687.2134	realizing the violence and the crime rate started going up.	2690.5836
2136		2691.3250	Um,	2691.8006
2138		2692.0990	and I think that had a lot to do with a lot of things	2695.4190
2140		2696.0427	shutting down.	2697.0778
2142		2697.6514	And	2698.2156
2144		2699.3207	I also remember	2700.3279
2146		2700.7837	being like fourteen, fifteen and all of a sudden they're like-	2703.6420
2148		2704.3834	it-	2704.5187
2150		2705.3067	it felt like it was a war on the youth. Like,	2707.7815
2152		2708.0100	realistically, [you're like,]	2709.2422
2153	ROC_int_01	2708.8273	[Mm.]	2709.0779
2154	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2709.5383	oh,	2709.9276
2156		2710.3729	now you got a curfew. I'm like,	2712.0487
2158		2712.2119	my parents don't give me a curfew. What do you [mean? Like]	2715.3018
2159	ROC_int_01	2714.7518	[I remember those days.]	2715.8938
2160	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2715.8659	<laugh>	2716.4207
2161	ROC_int_01	2716.7052	[/ do.]	2717.1528
2162	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2716.7844	[I'm like,]	2717.1482
2163		2717.5025	what are you talking about? And then like, they're like, okay, the curfew is non-constitutional so we can't pass it, but still. Like,	2725.1439
2165		2725.8282	we were kicked out of	2726.8960
2167		2727.2830	everything. [Like,]	2728.4580
2168	ROC_int_01	2728.0402	[Mm-hm.]	2728.3885
2169	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2728.9150	couldn't go to the mall if you were a certain age,	2731.3572
2171		2731.7862	um, couldn't go to the movies, couldn't do this, couldn't do that. And I'm just like,	2735.9735
2173		2736.5936	so what am I supposed to do?	2738.2105
2175		2738.4903	And like, I'm not a kid that cause trouble, but like,	2741.1994
2177		2741.8336	you got nothing for me to do. So, pretty much nothing but trouble to do. Like,	2745.9778
2178	ROC_int_01	2746.1503	Mm-hm.	2746.6492
2179	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	2746.8870	um,	2747.4139
2181		2748.2206	I remember in that phase,	2750.0100
2183		2750.1499	that was a phase where I was like, no, I don't wanna be here. I gotta get out. I wanna get out. I wanna move. Like,	2756.6628
2185		2756.8587	that's the-	2757.5348
2187		2758.0337	that's the	2758.7052
2189		2758.9290	end goal. Like,	2759.9968
2191		2760.4304	get Rochester, Rochester don't got nothing for me.	2763.3856
2193		2764.6679	And,	2765.4233
2195		2767.9587	I had the opportunity,	2769.5907
2197		2770.2062	probably around when I was like	2771.6564
2199		2772.2906	seventeen-ish	2773.3759
2201		2773.9867	to	2774.5509
2203		2774.8540	<clears throat>	2775.3436
2205		2775.4415	help open a downtown youth art center.	2778.6030
2207		2779.0553	Cause also with	2780.2525
2209		2780.8260	like, the war on like	2782.0384
2211		2782.3974	youth, like	2783.1621
2213		2783.6937	arts was	2784.8315
2215		2785.6090	getting shut down. Art programs, art teachers were getting fired, or moved, or	2790.2952
2217		2790.7149	all types of stuff.	2791.8142
2219		2792.2152	And then, um,	2793.2550
2221		2796.6356	it's like, okay.	2797.6790
2223		2798.5929	Then I started /realizing/ like okay so this is-	2800.5606
2225		2801.2041	is this part of the recession? Is this-	2803.0366
2227		2803.4458	what is all of this coming from?	2804.9519
2229		2805.3436	Um, but then I had the opportunity to join, um, it was like a downtown like initiative	2809.9680
2231		2810.3924	where a lot of different like business owners downtown are like, okay, we're gonna try and like,	2815.4190
2233		2816.3551	get something for the youth to do. We're gonna try and	2819.6051
2235		2820.2719	revitalize downtown a bit.	2822.4064
2237		2822.8633	And, um, together we brainstormed, and opened,	2826.6916
2239		2826.8454	uh, what was called the /RD-WORK-2/.	2828.2805
2241		2829.4462	And the idea of the /RD-WORK-2/ was	2831.5538
2243		2831.8149	it's a drop-in center. So,	2833.4609
2245		2834.4297	any kids that's outside and that don't got nothing to do, or	2838.0108
2247		2838.4071	up at /RD-ADDRESS-4/ and the police are harassing, just come down to the center.	2842.3974
2249		2842.7331	And, um,	2843.6564
2251		2844.2906	we'll get you in some type of art. Whatever you're interested in. whether it be	2847.4229
2253		2847.8379	music recording, poetry, dance, singing, visual arts, screen printing,	2853.6840
2255		2854.2669	all that type of stuff.	2855.3250
2257		2855.4952	Um,	2855.9035
2259		2856.9655	and it ran- it ran for three years. And	2859.2970
2261		2859.8285	I think it was pretty successful.	2861.4326
2263		2861.8429	Um,	2862.3045
2265		2862.6356	a lot of people that	2864.0800
2267		2864.8587	are doing a lot of different stuff in the community, I'd be like, oh yeah I know so and so from the /RD-WORK-2/. And I know that person from the /RD-WORK-2/, like,	2871.1742
2269		2871.5568	hey,	2872.0850
2271		2872.4674	da da da da da da,	2873.2647
2273		2873.9408	let's try and bring the /RD-WORK-2/ back.	2875.3992
2275		2875.4971	Um,	2875.9867
2277		2877.3250	and I think that-	2878.3741
2279		2878.6026	like, that really started like,	2880.2859
2281		2880.6671	kick-starting- it started something.	2882.6768
2283		2883.0778	Like,	2883.4555
2285		2883.9498	it was like okay, so you got this program,	2886.7429
2287		2887.0646	and it's not that it was like-	2888.5043
2289		2889.5255	I think we ended up serving	2891.8616
2291		2892.1693	probably like a hundred and fifty kids,	2894.6535
2293		2895.4462	which,	2895.8565
2295		2896.4161	isn't a lot,	2897.0922
2297		2897.7963	but it's,	2898.2859
2299		2898.5190	a lot.	2898.8874
2301		2899.3164	Like	2899.6135
2303		2899.7862	when you hold monthly shows and you got these kids coming up and performing on stage. And you got	2905.4470
2305		2905.8142	parents coming in and you got the news coming in and- and showing what's actually happening.	2910.2291
2307		2910.9154	And	2911.4982
2309		2911.6277	I think that also started like,	2913.9684
2311		2916.7335	something where like	2918.0256
2313		2918.1769	the art started just,	2919.7726
2315		2920.6492	getting more notice.	2921.8429
2317		2922.0294	Now also like,	2923.0693
2319		2923.6370	the arts in Rochester are always been a thing,	2925.9405
2321		2926.5746	but	2927.0036
2323		2927.9268	I realized that,	2929.4003
2325		2929.6789	from	2930.4670
2327		2930.8820	my age group,	2932.1037
2329		2932.6072	and where like	2933.7823
2331		2934.4211	a lot of people were doing it, there was like a gap.	2937.2690
2333		2938.2808	So like, I mean, I'm-	2939.9595
2335		2940.1320	I'm twenty-four. So right now that like-	2942.8120
2337		2943.0172	the people who are like, before me in like that- I would say like our age,	2947.0879
2339		2947.6473	wa- would be like,	2949.5218
2341		2950.8787	thirty, thirty-five-ish area.	2953.4013
2343		2954.1789	And	2954.7851
2345		2954.9016	it was just like a ga- like	2956.2539
2347		2956.5709	nobody was doing nothing with that. And then you have	2959.2335
2349		2959.5401	the older people who	2960.7431
2351		2961.3353	have a thriving thing, but you know they're like,	2963.3823
2353		2963.8159	older. So they kind of have their own little circle.	2965.8571
2355		2966.3094	Um,	2966.7617
2357		2967.8249	but with	2968.5896
2359		2968.7202	the youth,	2969.3683
2361		2969.7087	we started really just	2971.4899
2363		2971.6426	I guess, making a loud noise to where we started getting mentors.	2974.4450
2365		2974.7854	And then we also started getting older and taking more leadership positions.	2978.5239
2367		2978.8783	So, um,	2979.7643
2369		2980.4590	when I was eighteen, I started being a teaching artist.	2982.4594
2371		2982.8464	So I was going around and teaching at rec centers and	2986.4963
2373		2986.9720	/RD-WORK-5/, and	2988.8511
2375		2989.2043	anywhere I could really	2990.4167
2377		2990.8550	teach.	2991.3493
2379		2991.7270	So at that point, I became- I started becoming like a- a- a youth leader.	2995.9644
2381		2996.3980	Um,	2996.9110
2383		2997.9741	and	2998.4870
2385		2998.7808	encouraging and bringing up more and more and more artists.	3001.7033
2387		3002.0810	And,	3002.6825
2389		3003.3073	then,	3004.0534
2391		3004.8927	again with rock bottom,	3006.4501
2393		3006.8511	um,	3007.3827
2395		3008.0343	really just,	3008.9389
2397		3009.2187	doing a lot of different community shows. And different things like that.	3012.8698
2399		3014.0390	Now it seems like the arts are just like	3016.0394
2401		3016.2119	on-	3016.6833
2403		3016.8913	on fire like,	3018.3243
2405		3018.4396	here in Rochester	3019.8105
2407		3020.5006	it's like,	3021.5171
2409		3022.6595	you go to a open mic,	3023.8072
2411		3023.9325	and you see concert-	3025.3069
2413		3025.6566	really concert level talent.	3027.0182
2415		3027.2327	I've	3027.6710
2417		3027.8435	been to open mics and other places, and I'm just like	3030.7765
2419		3031.4619	this is not like home. It's not that it's bad, it's just like	3035.3077
2421		3035.5175	the quality is just completely different.	3037.8711
2423		3038.4400	And	3039.1021
2425		3040.8507	around that time is where I started like, really being like, yo Rochester	3045.0695
2427		3045.5031	is really dope. It's just- it's a diamond in the rough. Like we have	3049.1589
2429		3049.6986	so much talent, so much potential.	3051.9088
2431		3052.5756	And it's just a matter of	3054.3382
2433		3055.0423	figuring out how to-	3057.2420
2435		3058.0534	how to harness that.	3058.9813
2437		3059.6854	And	3060.2916
2439		3060.8231	what	3061.3873
2441		3061.6613	I started realizing was	3063.2374
2443		3063.7969	the reason why it was hard to harness, is because a lot of people had the crab in the bucket mentality. Yo,	3069.0415
2445		3069.4285	I wanna be the one to make it out.	3070.7714
2447		3071.1491	I don't wanna help you make it out.	3072.4921
2449		3072.6459	I don't want to tell you that you good, or that you dope or	3075.1121
2451		3075.2634	that I see potential in you.	3076.6642
2453		3076.9906	Because	3077.7087
2455		3078.9257	then that mean less opportunities for me.	3080.8690
2457		3081.4938	So,	3082.0394
2459		3082.2632	I'm like,	3082.7388
2461		3083.3217	that's not- that's not the way.	3084.9117
2463		3086.0110	So really just starting to really like,	3087.8715
2465		3089.7553	bri- literally bring people together. Connecting people together. Um,	3093.8109
2467		3095.4149	and	3096.2822
2469		3096.7858	yeah. Now it's ye- it's-	3098.5768
2471		3098.6825	it is what it is [right now.] Um,	3100.5709
2472	ROC_int_01	3099.7246	[Mm-hm.]	3100.1475
2473	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3101.8299	I don't know.	3102.2729
2475		3102.4361	/When/ you go like,	3103.2556
2477		3104.3281	Monday nights, they got a open mic over here at Clarissa's. Uh, Tuesday nights they got a open mic out in	3111.1394
2479		3111.6943	Henrietta.	3112.6316
2481		3112.7854	Uh, Wednesday nights, they got a open mic,	3115.4806
2483		3116.2395	um, I think somewhere out in like, East Rochester. Thursday nights they got a open mic	3120.6026
2485		3121.1449	on	3121.7639
2487		3121.8851	East Main, like.	3122.9063
2489		3123.3026	It's always something to do, and then it's-	3125.5688
2491		3126.4128	a lot of people are putting on a lot more events.	3129.2374
2493		3129.7876	Bringing a lot more artists together.	3131.3403
2495		3131.5222	Um,	3131.9978
2497		3132.0910	ButaPub has been like	3133.5865
2499		3134.2302	the hip-hop place, you can go there, you get a nice hip-hop show, no drama.	3138.4641
2501		3138.9164	Um,	3139.5505
2503		3140.3514	I mean, me personally, I've put on a few shows.	3142.7449
2505		3142.8274	I guess,	3143.3450
2507		3143.5735	I would say my favorite show would be, uh, the community experience that I put on last year	3148.1449
2509		3148.6409	with our executive director.	3150.1423
2511		3150.6646	Um,	3151.1355
2513		3151.2323	where it was basically,	3152.3141
2515		3153.4892	everybody comes in for free.	3154.8834
2517		3155.0250	I invite a bunch of artists,	3156.5154
2519		3156.7345	and literally people get on stage and just like, freestyle live collab. So you'll have a person spitting, you'll have a person playing. /And you-/	3164.4820
2521		3164.9203	dancers just jump up and get in the mix. And everybody's just sharing the space and	3169.2568
2523		3169.6333	seeing what it is.	3170.6871
2525		3171.1161	Um,	3171.6244
2527		3172.6968	right now,	3173.5688
2530		3174.6646	right now my goal is to have	3176.9622
2532		3177.5917	like, a-	3178.2306
2534		3179.3450	So we have like music festivals and everything here.	3181.7965
2536		3181.9830	But I wanna have one dedicated just for,	3185.3310
2538		3185.4336	like,	3185.9838
2540		3186.4314	local artists. I would probably make it like, a tri-city type of thing, Syracuse, Buffalo,	3191.7834
2542		3191.9441	Rochester.	3192.6646
2544		3193.0936	But really like,	3194.2395
2546		3196.2632	pouring into	3197.5082
2548		3197.9512	local	3198.6086
2550		3198.8651	artists like,	3199.6193
2552		3201.1021	they got all these people headlining,	3202.7481
2554		3203.2444	and	3203.6154
2556		3203.8486	not that,	3204.2776
2558		3204.4175	you know, they famous so yeah. You know they got talent, but like, realistically	3208.5197
2560		3210.6599	I know people that's better than 'em that lives right here, like.	3213.6710
2561	ROC_int_01	3213.7775	Mm-hm,	3214.2259
2562	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3214.4157	[<sigh>]	3214.8554
2563	ROC_int_01	3214.5906	[mm-hm.]	3215.0681
2564	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3215.3593	Danielle Ponder, oh my [gosh.] (whispered)	3217.5386
2565	ROC_int_01	3217.0178	[Incredible.]	3217.8198
2566	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3218.1556	[Oh]	3218.7186
2567	ROC_int_01	3218.5985	[<laugh>]	3219.4159
2568	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3219.1157	[my] g- like-	3219.8673
2569	ROC_int_01	3219.8201	Every [single time.]	3221.0114
2570	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3220.4394	[like-] (laughing).	3221.1771
2571		3221.5408	like,	3221.8103
2573		3223.1204	absolutely amazing [like absolutely amazing.]	3226.1653
2574	ROC_int_01	3224.6524	[Mm-hm.]	3225.1161
2576		3225.9508	[Every] time [yeah.]	3226.9859
2577	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3226.8507	[And] then you got- you got Danielle Ponder, you got, um, Jimmie Highsmith. You got	3231.5451
2578		3231.8762	David Haygood, like,	3232.9673
2579	ROC_int_01	3233.0652	Mm-hm.	3233.5268
2580	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3233.6854	and these people are	3235.0096
2582		3236.1369	top	3236.5006
2584		3236.6498	tier like,	3237.6850
2586		3238.8367	name me five people that's better than 'em, [like.] (laughing)	3241.8431
2587	ROC_int_01	3241.7126	[Mm-hm.]	3242.2208
2588	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3242.3887	And it's like I wanna- I wanna do something that really like,	3245.5736
2590		3246.6274	plays into that.	3247.5554
2592		3248.1242	Um, I don't really know how to do it.	3249.7656
2594		3249.9801	I don't know what's the first step.	3251.3556
2596		3251.9140	I don't know any of that, [but,]	3253.4808
2597	ROC_int_01	3253.2896	[Mm.]	3253.4528
2598	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3254.4926	I mean,	3254.9542
2600		3255.0895	I believe-	3255.7112
2602		3256.2365	believe in it.	3256.8054
2604		3257.0479	I believe it'll [happen.]	3258.1005
2605	ROC_int_01	3257.5964	[Yeah.]	3257.9787
2606		3258.7592	So,	3259.4236
2608		3259.7372	you're looking to stay in Rochester though, long term? Or are [you]	3263.7695
2609	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3263.6156	[<sigh>]	3264.2964
2610	ROC_int_01	3264.3663	wanting to [move eventually?]	3265.9937
2611	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3265.0844	[I have-] I have- I have a love hate relationship in what I wanna do with life.	3269.7788
2612		3270.0632	Um,	3270.5015
2614		3270.7394	because,	3271.6253
2616		3273.1454	I want to stay,	3274.3158
2618		3275.1726	but I know	3276.1239
2620		3276.2871	in order for me to	3277.8212
2622		3278.1009	do and build what I want to,	3279.8868
2624		3280.0687	I have to leave.	3281.0794
2626		3281.4058	I don't have my eyes set on like	3283.3315
2628		3283.4481	any particular place to move to. I'm not like, oh,	3286.2831
2630		3286.5384	I wanna go move to Atlanta, and I'm going to go to Atlanta, and I'm gonna make it.	3289.8864
2632		3290.2548	I feel like,	3290.9356
2634		3291.1408	I have to have literally like-	3292.8567
2636		3294.0399	I think the path that I have to take is I literally just have	3296.8932
2638		3297.0634	to-	3297.4765
2640		3297.7331	to travel	3298.4044
2642		3298.6935	to a [bunch of different places.]	3300.1052
2643	ROC_int_01	3299.1353	[Mm-hm.]	3299.7368
2644	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3300.5295	And, um,	3301.2336
2646		3302.3667	definitely,	3303.0568
2648		3304.8614	buying a house in Rochester.	3306.1612
2650		3306.3710	[??] um,	3307.4621
2651	ROC_int_01	3306.4176	[Mkay.]	3306.8792
2652	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3308.0963	want to,	3308.8750
2654		3309.5418	frequent Rochester, cause home- like,	3311.8021
2656		3313.1730	I've been a lot of places, but there's no pla- like there's literally no place like here.	3317.1598
2658		3317.5457	Like,	3317.8627
2660		3318.2358	I've not found a place that is like	3320.4833
2662		3321.4252	my town. My home town.	3323.0052
2664		3323.2156	And I love it.	3324.2264
2666		3324.4596	I- I love it. I have grown to love Rochester.	3327.3786
2668		3327.5138	And I've grown to find the beauty in it.	3329.7881
2670		3330.3896	And,	3330.7813
2672		3331.3082	I guess the real reason why I really wanna just travel is to like,	3334.3391
2674		3334.6888	to share that.	3335.5923
2676		3335.8068	You say you're from New York and they're like,	3337.3269
2678		3337.4194	oh you're from the city. I'm like,	3338.9060
2680		3339.1874	no,	3339.8075
2682		3339.9847	like,	3340.3857
2684		3340.9266	from upstate, [like],	3342.5036
2685	ROC_int_01	3341.9268	[<laugh>]	3342.6648
2686	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3343.0876	[yeah.]	3343.3763
2687	ROC_int_01	3343.1171	[How] do you feel like we're different from like	3345.3835
2688		3345.6210	downstate?	3346.4464
2689	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3347.5410	<sigh>	3348.3010
2691		3348.7654	I don't-	3349.1777
2693		3349.3176	it's-	3349.6160
2695		3349.6906	it's-	3350.0356
2697		3352.6795	I don't know. It's- it's- somethi- it's something about us. Like-	3356.5952
2699		3357.6443	like you can hear somebody from the city and be like, okay yeah, they're from the city.	3361.0984
2701		3361.4761	But like, you hear somebody from	3363.6677
2703		3364.1899	Rochester and you're like,	3365.3510
2705		3367.5647	where they from?	3368.2082
2706	ROC_int_01	3368.4227	Okay, yeah [so]	3369.5091
2707	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3369.0801	[Like.]	3369.4152
2708	ROC_int_01	3370.0938	do you think that Rochesterians have an accent? Or certain people who live here sound like they're from	3375.3273
2710		3375.7423	Rochester maybe, more than others?	3377.6016
2711	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3377.6109	I mean, I ge- uh,	3378.3757
2713		3379.1404	this is new for me. This whole like, Rochesterian accent thing.	3382.9453
2714	ROC_int_01	3383.0199	Yeah.	3383.3836
2715	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3383.3836	Um,	3383.8394
2716		3384.9539	everybody sound n-	3385.7605
2718		3386.1429	normal to me pretty much.	3387.6723
2720		3387.9707	But I guess like, the Rochester accent is like,	3390.1285
2722		3390.2777	in the a's or something like Rochester (atypical pronunciation) or [something like that.]	3393.4321
2723	ROC_int_01	3392.6884	[<laugh>]	3393.6770
2724	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3394.0656	/Cause I/ get people that, um,	3395.8068
2726		3396.5865	come from- from like out of town, they'll be like, yo what's up with the accent? I'm like,	3400.3811
2728		3401.7508	what accent?	3402.5948
2730		3402.7673	Like, [<laugh>]	3403.4599
2731	ROC_int_01	3403.0191	[Right], right.	3403.8398
2732	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3403.8901	what accent? Like	3404.8050
2734		3406.0314	you hear- you can hear- in New York City you can hear a Bronx accent be like, okay.	3409.1497
2736		3409.4909	You hear a Brooklyn accent be like,	3410.8152
2738		3410.9411	okay,	3411.4493
2739	ROC_int_01	3411.9156	Mm-hm.	3412.2420
2740	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3412.2280	But like,	3413.1047
2741		3413.9160	I don't know. Like, I think	3415.3429
2743		3415.5620	to me, everybody in Rochester pretty much	3417.5426
2745		3418.2094	be speaking English, or they're not from	3420.6621
2747		3420.8206	Rochester. So that's understandable that they have an accent, or like, English is not their first speaking language.	3426.0979
2749		3426.5315	Cause, I mean we have,	3427.7812
2751		3428.2230	a diverse [culture,]	3429.4820
2752	ROC_int_01	3429.1627	[Yeah],	3429.5267
2753	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3429.7571	uh, [a very] diverse culture. So like,	3431.9113
2754	ROC_int_01	3429.9758	[mm-hm.]	3430.3634
2755	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3433.0724	I guess I never-	3434.1157
2757		3434.8105	never really thought about it. I'm still waiting for somebody to be like, okay,	3438.5222
2759		3439.2449	this right here is a Rochester accent and I can hear it and be like-	3442.9834
2761		3443.9067	cause I be like, do I have a Rochester accent? And they're like,	3446.1624
2763		3447.4167	nah nah, I'm like, well, I've been here my whole life, so it-	3450.3217
2765		3451.0631	I would think I would have-	3452.0178
2767		3452.2976	have some type of-	3453.1556
2769		3453.6032	if there is an accent, I think I would have it.	3455.7248
2770	ROC_int_01	3455.8834	Mm-hm.	3456.4103
2771	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3456.5735	/And it's like/ ah,	3457.4552
2773		3457.6963	ah.	3458.3023
2774	ROC_int_01	3458.9457	Yeah.	3459.2908
2775	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3459.2955	But it's	3459.7897
2777		3460.3726	I think	3460.8715
2779		3460.9694	with Rochester	3462.0792
2781		3462.2144	it's more so like,	3463.8511
2783		3465.6638	because of what our city gets portrayed as.	3468.6014
2784	ROC_int_01	3469.1750	Mm. <ts>	3469.7058
2786		3470.2043	I'm glad you brought that up. I was just gonna ask you like, what are the stereotypes about sort of this place,	3475.9241
2788		3476.3448	people who live here, especially black people in the city?	3479.4497
2789	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3480.0279	I mean, the stereotype,	3481.0444
2791		3481.1890	uh, is basically-	3482.5774
2793		3483.6685	Everybody looks at the statistics, which	3485.5943
2795		3485.9067	came out recently.	3486.9139
2797		3487.6634	Rochester is poor.	3488.8105
2799		3489.0110	Rochester is	3490.5265
2801		3491.1979	basically a smaller Chiraq.	3493.1657
2803		3493.7147	Um,	3494.3815
2805		3496.0695	the people are dumb. The kids don't	3498.1165
2807		3498.5428	educate themselves. They just drop out of school. Everybody's having babies.	3502.5778
2809		3502.9881	Or,	3503.6316
2811		3503.9999	um,	3504.5082
2813		3505.4862	[STD's, or]	3507.2208
2814	ROC_int_01	3506.5026	[Mm-hm.]	3506.9850
2815	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3507.6871	like,	3508.0229
2817		3508.3539	Rochester gets a lot of- a- a lot of negativity.	3511.3429
2819		3511.5469	And-	3512.1530
2820	ROC_int_01	3514.0555	So how do you try to move through I guess, or navigate your way through	3517.9104
2822		3519.2675	those kinds of stereotypes right, that exist about	3521.9999
2824		3522.2937	us, or like people who live in the city? Like how do you see yourself in relation to that?	3526.8759
2825	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3527.1513	In relation to that, it's kind of like <sigh>	3529.9059
2827		3530.3302	I mean like, you know it's out there. You know it happens. You can't ignore-	3533.9673
2829		3534.5781	you can't ignore it.	3535.3195
2831		3535.4641	Especially like I said, living on /RD-ADDRESS-5/. Like,	3538.2234
2833		3538.5638	there's been times where,	3540.1445
2835		3541.6832	man done got popped literally by	3543.4913
2837		3543.8200	the tire of my mom's car. So like,	3546.1201
2839		3546.7110	I'm like okay, I can't ignore this, but	3549.0145
2841		3549.4715	I- it's really just- it doesn't-	3551.6409
2843		3551.7994	it doesn't define me as a person.	3553.3802
2845		3553.8406	Like the actions that happen in my city,	3555.6125
2847		3555.9576	doesn't define me as a person,	3557.7761
2849		3558.0186	doesn't define the person next to me as a person.	3560.1018
2851		3560.6240	We still have our own dreams, we're still entitled to our own goals and	3564.1491
2853		3564.4009	it's really just-	3565.5795
2855		3566.6434	it-	3566.8198
2857		3567.4447	it really drove me to-	3569.0161
2859		3569.2958	to make	3569.9393
2861		3570.2890	them- I'm like,	3570.9791
2863		3571.1750	I'm- I'm gonna prove you wrong. I- I- I- I'm	3573.9249
2865		3574.4892	gonna definitely prove you wrong. So if that means	3576.9045
2867		3577.2729	consciously having to do	3578.7825
2869		3579.0305	the complete opposite,	3580.4247
2871		3580.7978	of what you're talking about,	3582.1500
2873		3582.4473	just so I could be like ha ha,	3584.0513
2875		3584.2891	you can't say that because	3585.8372
2877		3586.7128	I'm not that,	3587.4739
2879		3588.0428	then,	3588.7689
2881		3589.1141	that's what I'm gonna do.	3590.3870
2883		3590.5689	And it's really a- a- a conscious choice. Like,	3593.7863
2885		3595.1187	it's hard,	3595.6643
2887		3595.7575	like, it's hard to be	3597.4548
2889		3599.0962	positive.	3599.9496
2891		3600.0603	It's hard to	3601.1607
2893		3602.1819	stay on-	3603.3569
2895		3604.5298	I guess you could say like, the straight and narrow. Like,	3606.8902
2897		3607.4824	especially, again like,	3608.5736
2899		3608.8487	<clears throat>	3609.1657
2901		3610.5926	I have friends who,	3611.9402
2903		3612.3039	didn't make the same choices /I had/.	3613.9860
2905		3614.4756	So it's like, okay,	3615.8652
2907		3616.8910	times get hard.	3617.7490
2909		3617.9210	<exhale> /it's hard times again/ (laughing)	3619.5948
2910	ROC_int_01	3619.5948	Mm-hm.	3620.0891
2911	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3620.0891	times be getting hard.	3621.1662
2912		3621.6278	And	3622.2946
2914		3622.5324	it be like yo, alright,	3624.1691
2916		3625.4736	I know,	3626.1497
2918		3626.6293	if-	3627.4553
2920		3628.8681	I know my resume could go and get me a new job,	3630.9187
2922		3631.2731	but like realistically, the type of money I make,	3633.3853
2924		3634.0941	I need to call up my boy right now and say	3635.9406
2926		3636.1679	no,	3636.6063
2928		3636.9420	no,	3637.4363
2930		3637.6641	no.	3637.9714
2932		3638.2102	Don't do it.	3638.8911
2934		3639.0081	Don't do it.	3639.4821
2936		3639.5624	Why? Cause you feed into statistic that's what they expect of you.	3642.6761
2938		3643.0073	That's what they waiting for you to do.	3644.4714
2940		3644.8631	Like,	3645.2361
2942		3646.1314	last year,	3646.6630
2944		3647.1479	last year, I got locked up	3648.7178
2946		3648.9495	for the first time	3649.9678
2948		3650.3713	ever.	3650.7932
2950		3651.2268	And	3651.9029
2952		3652.3133	was nothing criminal.	3653.4417
2954		3653.7343	Ended up being I had a- um,	3655.4829
2956		3656.4854	I had a bunch of tickets on my license.	3658.2867
2958		3658.7096	And	3659.2831
2960		3659.6608	they locked me up for it.	3660.7881
2962		3661.5062	And I'm like,	3662.7372
2964		3663.4553	this is wild.	3664.4951
2966		3664.9381	I'm like,	3665.6189
2968		3666.5316	cause realistically, they didn't have to lock me up.	3668.7978
2970		3669.5439	I'm like,	3670.2247
2972		3670.9521	you really just looked for	3672.5456
2974		3672.9047	any reason	3673.7393
2976		3674.7279	to lock me- Man like,	3675.6884
2978		3675.9822	you would swear I did something [criminal.]	3677.9220
2979	ROC_int_01	3677.6482	[Mm. Mm.]	3678.3479
2980	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3678.2239	[Like,]	3678.5736
2981		3679.5248	how tight the handcuffs were,	3681.2828
2983		3681.7584	how rude they were talking to me.	3683.4184
2985		3683.7448	Like,	3684.0758
2987		3685.4083	cop cars are just not comfortable.	3687.5719
2989		3688.2387	And	3688.8542
2991		3690.9258	me being the person I am,	3693.1056
2993		3693.1988	and like,	3693.8796
2995		3693.9822	the resilient,	3695.3540
2997		3695.4887	like-	3695.8753
2999		3696.9198	I'm a r- I'm- I'm- I'm a rebel, like I'm- I'm a rebel.	3699.4933
3001		3699.6044	And if I- if I definitely know I didn't do anything	3702.4581
3003		3703.1389	wrong,	3703.6891
3005		3704.7336	then	3705.1253
3007		3705.4377	I'm gonna talk.	3706.1465
3009		3706.8040	But then,	3707.5442
3011		3707.7447	having to understand and humble myself, I'm like, okay,	3710.4818
3013		3711.0694	again, I'm a black man	3712.5751
3015		3712.8068	in Rochester.	3713.7074
3017		3713.8613	These are cops,	3714.7892
3019		3714.9104	I'm a black man in America.	3716.3233
3021		3718.5708	This is,	3719.5722
3023		3720.5934	how you need to conduct yourself, in order	3722.7290
3025		3723.2326	to-	3723.8574
3027		3724.7136	It becomes,	3725.6277
3029		3725.7644	not about	3726.6213
3031		3729.2046	being right or wrong.	3730.3983
3033		3730.6921	It becomes,	3731.9033
3035		3732.5234	I need to make sure I make out of this situation alive.	3735.4424
3036	ROC_int_01	3735.7362	Mm.	3736.0486
3037	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3736.0392	Um,	3736.4962
3038		3738.0198	and then,	3738.4815
3040		3738.6307	that whole aspect like,	3739.9736
3042		3740.1601	cops in Rochester.	3741.6615
3044		3741.9926	Um,	3742.4169
3046		3743.0733	I done ha- I've had a few	3744.8731
3048		3747.1673	instances. I remember, um,	3749.1397
3050		3750.2390	playing basketball after school at /RD-SCHOOL-4/, me and my boys,	3753.3119
3052		3753.4029	I'm like, fourteen years old.	3754.8418
3054		3755.3530	We outside, hey, ha ha we playing.	3757.4653
3056		3758.5984	Three cop cars pull up, boom, boom, boom,	3760.4403
3058		3760.8459	get out the car.	3761.3902
3060		3761.7942	We all just freeze.	3763.0830
3062		3764.1088	They just come up to me, start questioning me.	3765.6895
3064		3766.3983	Where were you yesterday at six o'clock?	3768.5106
3066		3770.3233	I was at-	3770.8222
3068		3771.1160	I was at home.	3771.9786
3070		3772.2118	Like,	3772.6594
3072		3773.2271	and they're like,	3774.0105
3074		3774.8032	oh wait nah my bad.	3776.0808
3076		3776.3419	You don't look like him, you're not him.	3777.7175
3078		3777.9506	Apparently some guy shot a six year old	3780.5423
3080		3780.6416	on /RD-ADDRESS-5/	3781.9176
3082		3782.4079	the day before.	3783.1486
3084		3783.8014	But I'm like,	3784.6221
3086		3786.6353	I'm a kid.	3787.5493
3088		3789.3258	I ended up- um, I ended up telling my mom.	3791.3355
3090		3792.1830	And she went to the school, and the school got like a picture of the guy. The guy had a beard.	3796.5428
3092		3797.0266	The guy had-	3797.8659
3094		3798.5840	he had braids.	3799.6891
3096		3800.5564	And at this time I had long hair. But like,	3802.6874
3098		3804.6726	n- looked nothing like the guy.	3806.3326
3099	ROC_int_01	3806.5962	[Mm-hm.]	3807.1588
3100	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3806.9015	[Um,]	3807.4331
3101		3807.6802	I remember being like, around driving age,	3809.9126
3103		3810.1457	and, um, I had pulled up,	3811.9876
3105		3812.2207	it's like,	3812.6963
3107		3812.8595	ten thirty at night,	3813.7501
3109		3814.0439	I'm on /RD-ADDRESS-5/,	3815.0418
3111		3815.5629	pull up to my house.	3816.5514
3113		3818.7523	All of a sudden,	3819.5543
3115		3819.8154	cop	3820.1232
3117		3820.7387	pulls up behind me and puts on his lights.	3822.7982
3119		3822.9164	I'm like,	3823.6518
3121		3824.7336	I know I didn't do anything.	3826.0439
3123		3826.7993	Like,	3827.2318
3125		3827.7913	so I get out my car,	3828.8404
3127		3828.9489	cause	3829.3671
3129		3829.5866	I'm home.	3830.3233
3131		3831.5030	Get out the car,	3832.3936
3133		3832.4857	<sound effect>,	3832.8914
3135		3832.9986	<sound effect>,	3833.3204
3137		3833.6188	<sound effect>,	3833.9918
3139		3834.1877	just guns	3834.9664
3141		3835.2182	pulled. I'm like-	3835.8990
3143		3837.4890	And in this moment, I really don't know what to do.	3839.5629
3145		3840.1411	I don't- like, I instantly just like,	3841.5306
3147		3841.6744	freeze.	3842.4445
3149		3843.0787	And	3843.6802
3151		3843.9693	my mom, luckily was like in the kitchen and the kitchen is like right by the door, so she saw the flashing lights.	3849.2075
3153		3849.5776	So she opens the door and all she screams is, /RD-NAME-2/ get back in the car, get back in the car. So I'm just like,	3855.0740
3155		3855.6988	but I'm-	3856.1092
3157		3856.2910	I didn't do nothing. I'm home. Like,	3858.2390
3158	ROC_int_01	3858.2670	Mm-hm.	3858.7659
3159	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3859.1109	and they're just like,	3859.9363
3161		3860.0342	get in the car, da da da.	3861.2419
3163		3862.7235	So,	3863.4043
3165		3863.9965	long story short, apparently they stopped me, because the light above my license plate,	3868.9299
3167		3869.1479	was	3869.7074
3169		3870.2483	quote unquote,	3871.0029
3171		3871.1376	out.	3871.4793
3172	ROC_int_01	3872.1648	Mm.	3872.7756
3173	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3873.5170	And,	3874.5009
3175		3876.1317	they didn't end up giving me a ticket.	3877.5489
3177		3877.6718	They didn't end up doing anything.	3879.1067
3179		3880.0626	And I ended up going in the house after just sitting in the car for like forty-five minutes.	3884.2207
3181		3884.5751	But it's just like,	3885.6895
3183		3886.2491	why?	3886.6687
3185		3887.0884	And like for what? So,	3888.4441
3187		3888.8421	when I actually ended up getting locked up, I'm like okay, like, you gotta keep your wits about yourself because you know how	3895.0613
3189		3896.3284	you will get.	3896.9719
3190	ROC_int_01	3897.7506	Mm-hm	3898.2495
3191	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3898.4314	And	3899.0143
3193		3899.2707	this- at this point you understand. This is about survival. Like,	3903.0605
3195		3904.9443	you need to make it out alive, otherwise your mom's gonna kill you again. (laughing)	3908.8647
3197		3909.7646	But like, no, but like, it like	3911.5551
3199		3911.9328	yeah it's-	3912.8701
3201		3914.0673	that aspect of it,	3915.6527
3203		3916.1703	I don't think will ever really change.	3918.0494
3205		3918.4458	Um,	3918.9540
3207		3919.2897	because, again, like,	3920.3657
3209		3922.9023	the stereotypes.	3924.0681
3210	ROC_int_01	3925.0177	Yeah.	3925.4483
3211	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3925.4903	Like,	3925.9179
3213		3926.8600	um,	3927.3916
3215		3928.3987	however, on the plus side,	3929.6064
3217		3930.1007	Rochester has done some cool things.	3932.1139
3218	ROC_int_01	3932.3191	Mm-hm.	3932.7114
3219	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3932.7388	Last year we did a- uh,	3934.0910
3221		3934.7183	a peaceful protest	3936.1287
3223		3936.5856	July eighth.	3937.4555
3225		3938.8180	And, um,	3940.0211
3227		3941.3267	me and my boys was actually like,	3943.8994
3229		3944.2865	part of the people who were like, organizing it, and like was keeping it together	3948.0494
3231		3948.4644	and running it.	3949.1265
3233		3950.2258	And,	3950.9952
3235		3952.2915	I mean, that was about	3953.3232
3237		3953.4619	the police brutality, and everybody was getting gunned down across America, really for no apparent reason.	3960.0261
3239		3960.5763	And	3961.1079
3241		3961.8108	the way it ended,	3962.7794
3243		3963.0134	was very ironic.	3964.2899
3245		3964.4317	Like,	3964.7189
3247		3967.4203	being met with police with riot gear, and tear gas, and they ended up locking up seventy-four people. And it's like,	3975.2097
3249		3977.0702	nobody did anything to them.	3979.1312
3251		3979.3772	Literally like,	3980.1279
3253		3980.8600	being there, being a part of it,	3982.7345
3255		3983.3873	knowing what the mission is,	3985.0846
3257		3985.3504	knowing how we were managing,	3987.0652
3259		3987.4429	everything.	3988.0584
3261		3990.3525	It was completely peaceful.	3991.7234
3262	ROC_int_01	3992.1699	Mm-hm.	3992.5756
3263	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	3993.0558	Nobody's like,	3993.9791
3265		3994.5573	the po- F the police.	3996.1706
3267		3996.4504	Nobody's like,	3997.6010
3269		3998.3377	oh, throwing anything. Like,	3999.9371
3271		4001.0236	and we had a bunch of- we had a bunch of allies who would like link themselves like, around us.	4006.6692
3273		4007.1635	And then you had like- um,	4009.3457
3275		4009.9600	it was like women and kids, you stay	4012.5013
3277		4012.8231	in the inside.	4013.6997
3279		4014.6229	And like, we had like the men	4016.7108
3281		4017.1398	on the outside, on the borders.	4018.6459
3283		4019.0376	Like,	4019.3593
3285		4019.7044	okay, moving the masses this way.	4021.6616
3287		4022.0440	But I remember like, walking through downtown,	4024.1656
3289		4024.3101	and	4024.8184
3291		4025.4479	it started off with like,	4027.0799
3293		4027.4669	fifty of us.	4028.3284
3295		4028.9113	Then we just started walking.	4030.2169
3297		4030.8650	Then it turned to like a hundred.	4032.4085
3299		4032.7861	Then it's just like,	4033.5975
3301		4034.0440	I turned around, I'm just like,	4035.5361
3303		4036.4034	all of these people. (whispered)	4037.6717
3305		4038.0541	All of these people. Like literally,	4040.1372
3307		4040.9299	to the point where like	4042.1330
3309		4042.5619	disrupting traffic, disrupting	4044.8410
3311		4045.7083	everything. But then we had people getting out of their cars. Like,	4049.3080
3313		4049.4292	what are you guys marching for? And they seeing the signs, and they're hearing the chants and they're like nah, I feel you. And they	4054.4407
3315		4054.9769	park they car and they come and join us. And I'm like, yo like,	4058.0393
3317		4058.5103	this is powerful.	4059.3729
3319		4059.7646	And- and	4060.5246
3321		4061.2474	I would probably say we ended up with like,	4062.7861
3323		4064.9159	three hundred to four hundred people.	4066.4780
3324	ROC_int_01	4066.7485	Mm.	4067.0515
3325	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4067.2567	And still,	4067.9608
3327		4068.2313	nobody,	4069.4296
3329		4069.6616	nobody threw a punch,	4070.9346
3331		4071.0978	nobody threw a slur, nobody threw a yell, no anything.	4074.3758
3333		4075.1265	And, um,	4075.8901
3335		4077.0558	I mean, Rochester actually, we made-	4079.0282
3337		4079.6018	I think we're like number four,	4080.8981
3339		4081.3177	on like Blavity	4082.4596
3341		4082.7895	for like,	4083.4703
3343		4084.9764	things that were going on that week.	4086.4825
3345		4087.7404	And just like,	4088.4491
3347		4089.1346	for me I say that's a positive thing. I say that's a positive thing, because	4093.5678
3349		4094.6963	it could have went completely left.	4096.7153
3350	ROC_int_01	4096.8738	Mm.	4097.1723
3351	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4097.5220	Um,	4098.0302
3352	ROC_int_01	4098.1188	Right.	4098.5198
3353	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4098.9523	completely left.	4100.0155
3354	ROC_int_01	4100.4678	Yeah.	4100.8688
3356		4100.9900	[I-]	4101.0693
3357	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4100.9947	[But] it shows-	4102.1278
3358	ROC_int_01	4102.7013	I might have been there actually.	4104.2401
3360		4104.6784	Um,	4105.2053
3362		4105.5026	at the, protest you were talking [about.]	4107.5962
3363	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4107.2465	[Mm-hm.]	4107.5729
3364	ROC_int_01	4107.9040	Yup.	4108.1744
3366		4108.3749	This was last year?	4109.2189
3367	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4109.2842	Mm-hm.	4109.5453
3368	ROC_int_01	4109.7831	Last summer?	4110.4639
3369	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4110.4732	Mm-hm.	4110.8043
3370	ROC_int_01	4110.9162	Yeah,	4111.3359
3372		4111.9968	yup.	4112.2859
3373	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4113.1346	It was just- it was- it was wild. And it-	4115.2375
3375		4115.4334	it went to like,	4116.8871
3377		4118.9434	three in the morning.	4120.0065
3378	ROC_int_01	4120.3702	Mm-hm. Yeah, I don't think I stayed til the end, but I [definitely] came for the	4124.2206
3379	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4123.3347	[Mm.]	4123.5445
3380	ROC_int_01	4124.6356	first part of the rally and the march	4126.4775
3381	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4126.6220	Yeah.	4126.9539
3382	ROC_int_01	4126.9391	for sure.	4127.4427
3383	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4127.8484	But yeah, I'm like it [went- and] it went	4129.6051
3384	ROC_int_01	4128.8229	[Yeah.]	4129.1540
3385	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4129.8569	pretty late.	4130.4072
3387		4130.5331	Um,	4130.9108
3389		4131.1626	[but yeah,]	4131.7128
3390	ROC_int_01	4131.3087	[Yeah.]	4131.5776
3391	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4131.9459	I mean,	4132.3749
3393		4133.9510	I guess it's- I mean,	4134.8171
3395		4134.9861	every city has a ugly side, but	4136.8939
3397		4137.0924	it still doesn't deter me from	4138.8905
3399		4139.0985	really wanting	4140.1934
3401		4140.9516	my city to be prosperous and really understanding that like, again,	4144.8039
3403		4145.8204	so much potential.	4146.8183
3405		4147.0509	So much potential.	4147.9222
3407		4148.2393	Right now,	4148.8968
3409		4149.4330	I don't really know how to feel because a lot of gentrification been going on, lowkey.	4153.3219
3411		4153.6191	They trying to like, make it kind of like a touristy type place.	4156.6827
3413		4157.4893	But	4157.8344
3415		4158.7343	I think	4159.3452
3417		4159.8336	at the same time,	4161.0413
3419		4161.4936	like, you know,	4162.3423
3421		4163.1769	like downtown definitely needs- it needs it.	4165.8057
3423		4166.1554	It n-	4166.3839
3425		4166.5223	Cause	4167.0413
3427		4167.6661	downtown has been barren for a bit.	4169.8111
3429		4170.4779	So like,	4171.0048
3431		4171.3534	you know, I understand.	4172.4025
3433		4172.5983	But at the same it's like,	4174.0765
3435		4174.7340	don't forget about	4175.6106
3437		4176.8089	us actual people, that actually live in the city,	4179.7361
3438	ROC_int_01	4180.4542	Yeah.	4180.7992
3439	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4180.8319	so.	4181.2469
3440	ROC_int_01	4182.6411	Yeah.	4182.9582
3442		4183.4657	No I think that's absolutely right.	4185.0553
3444		4185.2791	<laugh>	4185.8200
3446		4186.2350	More work to be done. [<laugh>]	4187.9920
3447	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4187.2828	[<laugh>]	4188.0582
3448	ROC_int_01	4188.6551	Well, thank you. I'll just wrap up. Uh, do you consent to me still using the interview,	4193.1210
3450		4193.2329	before I turn off the recorder. Yeah? [Okay.]	4195.4886
3451	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4195.2582	[Yeah.]	4195.4931
3452	ROC_int_01	4195.7654	Always have to ask at the beginning [/and the/ end.]	4197.7314
3453	ROC_se0_ag1_m_01	4197.0786	[<laugh>]	4197.4237
3454	ROC_int_01	4198.2397	Um, I really appreciate you taking the time out to talk to me.	4201.5334
3456		4201.9903	Um,	4202.4520
3458		4202.6245	yeah,	4202.9369
3460		4203.1141	thanks.	4203.6783