Line	Speaker	St Time	Content	En Time
1	ROC_int_01	0.4312	Okay.	1.3058
3		1.8447	And	2.3600
5		2.7004	you can think of this as pretty informal.	5.4045
7		5.8820	Um,	6.4114
9		7.1072	I just really	8.0338
11		8.2985	wanna get a sense of different people's experiences growing up here.	11.9907
13		12.3603	Uh, the questions are	13.4523
15		13.6320	open ended,	14.4734
17		14.8044	so feel free to take it wherever you want. I usually start off with questions about where you were born, where you grew up, and then	21.1495
19		21.4946	move into some more general,	22.8561
21		23.0452	uh, questions about Rochester	24.8094
23		25.3483	and	25.9440
25		26.0574	language. So,	27.1542
27		27.5277	um,	28.0950
29		28.4684	yeah	29.0074
31		29.1397	feel free to- <laugh> uh, if you need to	31.4854
33		31.7029	take a break, take a break,	32.8422
35		33.2062	but also just	34.1996
37		34.2877	to elaborate in any kind of way you feel.	36.2190
38	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	36.5688	[Okay.]	36.7973
39	ROC_int_01	36.7264	[K?]	36.9612
40	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	37.3812	[Mm-hm.]	37.6365
41	ROC_int_01	37.4686	[Cool.]	37.7594
42	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	37.9508	Cool.	38.1352
43	ROC_int_01	38.3397	So	39.1103
45		39.3703	like I said, I start off with	40.7649
47		41.0446	questions of where you were born and where you grew up	43.6542
49		44.0702	in [Rochester.]	44.9921
50	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	44.2605	[Sh-]	44.4756
51		45.0041	should we do that-	45.7440
52	ROC_int_01	46.1694	Oh yeah, so	47.1472
54		47.3269	[let me-]	47.7636
55	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	47.4451	[<laugh>]	47.9935
56	ROC_int_01	47.9409	[I] always ask at the beginning and then	49.3692
57		49.7426	sometimes I forget and just do it at the end, but [yeah, you're right.] Um,	53.1851
58	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	52.0363	[<laugh>]	52.5752
59	ROC_int_01	53.3411	do you consent to doing the interview?	55.3597
60	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	55.4637	Yeah.	55.6528
61	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	55.9885	Yes.	56.3997
62	ROC_int_01	56.5132	Okay	56.8441
64		56.9679	[Great.]	57.2468
65	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	57.0577	[<laugh>]	57.9228
66	ROC_int_01	57.5352	[<laugh>]	57.8992
67		58.2018	Thank you [for that.]	59.0054
68	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	58.6082	[No doubt.]	59.2358
69	ROC_int_01	59.0817	[<laugh>]	59.4036
70	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	59.4716	<laugh>	60.0294
71	ROC_int_01	60.1334	Okay, um,	61.0380
73		61.4918	so, in what part of Rochester were you born?	64.4228
75		64.9759	And	65.3636
77		65.7001	what was your neighborhood you grew up in like?	67.8558
78	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	68.4184	Are y-	68.6689
80		68.8675	well I was born in-	69.8224
82		69.9501	in nineteen fifty,	71.2218
84		71.7871	and so I-	72.7090
86		73.1534	I grew up I-	74.1414
88		74.3522	my first recollection	75.7326
90		76.3519	was, uh,	77.0325
92		77.1265	growing up on the west side.	78.2410
94		78.4442	I- I don't know.	79.0683
96		79.6687	Do you know the city?	80.3683
97	ROC_int_01	80.6358	Mm-hm. [Yup.]	81.3166
98	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	81.1248	[I-]	81.2110
99		81.5152	I, um-	82.1439
101		82.6464	my family lived in a house on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street.	85.0291
102	ROC_int_01	86.5663	[Wow.]	87.0663
103	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	86.7566	[Mm.]	86.8961
104	ROC_int_01	87.1555	I'm- I live, uh,	88.6689
106		88.9584	in Corn Hill,	89.6361
108		89.7188	so	90.1537
109	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	90.1750	Okay.	90.3995
110	ROC_int_01	90.4397	that's [actually] [really close] [to where I'm-]	92.2665
111	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	90.7495	[/Fine/.]	90.8582
113		91.1655	[Okay.]	91.3818
115		91.6791	[Very Close.]	92.2192
116	ROC_int_01	92.3741	<laugh>	92.6553
117	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	92.6589	Right.	92.8622
119		93.1875	Yeah.	93.3270
121		93.6130	/?/	93.6862
123		93.9013	It's a-	94.3670
125		94.7239	it's a different neighborhood,	95.7427
127		96.3790	um,	96.7288
129		96.8233	now, than it was	97.8114
131		97.9059	when I grew up.	98.5134
133		99.0126	Um,	99.3435
135		99.9132	/RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street ran all the way through,	102.0169
136	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	102.9470	[/RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street?	103.5325
137	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	103.1495	[um-]	103.3711
138		104.0336	[it-]	104.2093
139	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	104.1541	[Or]	104.3464
140	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	104.2908	[it] [crossed]	105.1406
141	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	104.4425	[no.]	104.6742
142	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	105.2257	/RD-ADDRESS-2/	105.7652
144		105.8669	and	106.3372
146		106.4308	like	106.6388
148		106.8445	came into, uh, /RD-ADDRESS-3/	108.3648
150		108.8801	and came into Corn Hill.	109.9721
152		110.4607	Wasn't called Corn Hill at that time, but,	112.1484
154		113.1269	um,	113.4862
156		114.2615	there was a railroad trestle that-	115.7649
158		116.0068	that	116.1817
160		116.2905	went	116.4796
162		116.9192	through	117.2501
164		117.9498	the neighborhood.	118.5266
166		120.1853	So that's my-	120.9890
168		121.7549	so when I was young, I- I-	123.1483
170		123.2854	I, uh-	123.8929
172		123.9591	I s-	124.2470
174		124.3558	spent time on-	125.1979
176		125.4437	uh, on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street, went to Number /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School.	127.7554
178		128.6687	And, um,	129.4440
180		131.2924	probably around,	132.3088
182		133.1834	uh, fifth or sixth grade,	134.4011
184		134.9306	my family moved over to the east side.	136.6325
186		136.8272	Um,	137.1723
188		137.8814	w- um,	138.3683
190		139.0585	/RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street, which is a small street off of /RD-ADRESS-2/.	141.6256
192		142.2259	And, uh,	142.8122
194		144.3731	we	144.6283
196		144.7418	lived there until I started	146.0655
198		146.2073	high school,	146.7557
200		147.0914	and, uh,	147.6681
202		148.3961	we moved to	148.8965
204		149.0076	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street,	149.7868
206		150.0204	and, uh,	150.6114
208		150.7816	you know,	151.0426
210		151.1620	then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High.	151.9225
211	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	153.5622	Wha- is	154.2524
213		154.3895	/RD-SCHOOL-1/ School what's	155.5382
215		155.6564	now that school,	156.5736
217		156.7201	like Nathaniel?	157.2874
218	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	157.6239	Yeah.	157.8083
220		158.5715	Yeah.	158.7725
222		158.9946	Yeah.	159.2121
224		160.0999	Wait,	160.3174
226		160.4285	no.	160.6247
227	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	160.7807	Three?	161.0029
228	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	161.0879	Nathaniel-	161.6434
230		162.1190	Nathaniel was, uh-	163.2110
232		163.5088	isn't that-	163.8539
234		165.8808	/RD-SCHOOL-1/ School is on	166.8547
236		168.1556	/RD-ADDRESS-2/	168.6567
238		168.8411	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ Way, used to be [/RD-ADDRESS-2/.]	170.5599
239	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	170.0878	[Oh, yup] yup yup.	170.9448
240		171.8288	Gotcha.	172.1787
241	ROC_int_01	173.2151	Okay.	173.6264
243		173.7871	Cool. And you?	174.6752
244	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	174.9231	Um,	175.3112
246		175.3797	I	176.1901
248		176.4673	grew up in the nineteenth ward.	177.9612
250		178.2902	Um,	178.6926
252		178.7706	and we- so my parents bought their house in nineteen seventy-nine,	182.4926
254		183.1639	um,	183.4586
256		183.5248	when they got married,	184.1796
258		184.5471	and	185.2373
260		185.4706	kept the house. Uh, so I grew up there my whole life, on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street.	188.0727
262		188.1471	It's, um,	188.7905
264		189.1937	almost near where, uh,	190.5127
266		190.6687	/RD-ADDRESS-3/ Street and /RD-ADDRESS-4/ Boulevard,	192.9103
268		193.1845	um, meet.	193.7045
270		194.7162	Um,	195.1086
272		195.5908	yeah, so	196.0635
274		196.2432	I	196.9050
276		197.1650	have- have- had the blessing of, um,	199.1467
278		199.5249	living in the same house my whole life.	201.1180
280		201.6712	And I was born in that house by accident,	203.2690
282		203.6158	um, <laugh> [b-]	204.5059
283	ROC_int_01	204.3428	[<laugh>]	204.9196
284	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	204.9312	[That's an interesting] story. [I mean that's-]	206.3274
285	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	204.9702	[It's a fun-]	205.4480
287		205.9297	[fun story.]	206.6209
288	ROC_int_01	206.3561	[Oh], I'd love to hear [it.]	207.5312
289	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	207.4414	[<laugh>]	208.3410
290	ROC_int_01	207.9114	[<laugh>]	208.7789
291	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	208.4096	[Alright] then.	209.0974
292		209.5130	Um, so	210.1028
294		210.3758	I'm the youngest. I have two, uh- an older brother and an older sister. Um, so,	214.2952
296		214.4033	you know, it wasn't-	215.0778
298		215.2723	wasn't like my mom was inexperienced. When I tell this story, everybody thinks like, oh is it one of those she didn't know she was pregnant?	220.4529
300		220.7468	She knew she was pregnant. She knew what to do. She just didn't do it. Um,	223.6211
302		223.9189	she woke up,	224.4295
304		224.6422	uh, Christmas Eve	225.6728
306		225.8288	and, um,	226.6798
308		227.2054	pretty much she felt like,	228.1970
310		228.3033	uh,	228.6301
312		228.7057	you know,	228.9244
314		229.0189	labor	229.4793
316		229.6542	coming on. She- it wasn't clear at first, and then she kind of realized like, yeah that's what's- that's what's happening. So,	233.9623
318		234.4170	um, you know, he was getting the car ready f- um,	236.7902
320		236.8558	you know, it's winter, he's warming up the car and getting it ready, um,	239.3619
322		239.5727	going to Strong, so very close.	241.0808
324		241.7095	And she comes downstairs, and she's like,	243.7195
326		243.7991	I, uh-	244.4397
328		244.5378	I just gotta use the bathroom.	245.6389
330		245.8103	And he's like, no, like don't, you- don't. We can't have the baby here. Like, come on let's just get in the car.	250.0891
332		250.5441	And she always- you know, she knows what's best. So	252.5021
334		253.0599	she did go to the bathroom,	254.7092
336		254.7884	and then she kind of got stuck in like a hovered	257.5038
338		257.7969	position over the toilet.	258.9228
340		259.9865	And, um,	260.8469
342		260.9746	she- yeah, she just was kind of locked in in that position.	262.8986
344		263.6267	And, uh,	264.5541
346		265.0694	I ended up	265.7679
348		265.8482	coming out f-	266.6105
350		266.7079	um, he tried to	267.6837
352		267.9059	catch me, um,	268.9601
354		269.4250	and	269.7748
356		270.0774	I was slippery as a greased pig.	271.6040
358		271.8472	[And, uh],	272.3785
359	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	271.9512	[<laugh>]	272.7039
360	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	272.4983	[<laugh>]	273.6849
361	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	273.3185	[Yeah, right.] That's what I say all the time, and it's like, [yeah.]	275.5479
362	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	275.4386	[<laugh>]	276.2281
363	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	276.0041	[I-]	276.0963
364		276.2759	I didn't expect- I didn't know what to expect, a [baby-]	278.6998
365	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	278.2081	[Yeah.]	278.5556
366	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	279.1761	baby coming out and-	280.0619
368		280.5922	and I	280.8853
370		282.0961	lost her for a [second.] (laughing)	283.1422
371	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	282.9579	[<laugh> And dropped] me in the toilet.	284.9434
372	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	283.2321	[<laugh>]	283.9601
373	ROC_int_01	283.4421	[<laugh>]	284.2818
374	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	285.2245	[<laugh>]	285.6807
375	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	285.6413	[Um],	286.0172
376		286.1401	and so then, I guess	287.2369
378		287.4047	he also	288.0358
380		289.1078	he tried to make it a little bit more convenient and lifted the toilet seat	291.7702
382		292.3221	to get me out, but	293.2156
384		293.8262	/I'm/ still attached. [<laugh>]	296.6739
385	ROC_int_01	295.8529	[Right.]	296.1252
386		296.7121	Right.	296.9961
388		297.2221	[<laugh>]	298.0849
389	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	297.4943	[<laugh>]	297.8938
390		298.5328	Yeah, so, um, so yeah. It's- that's awesome too, like,	301.4716
392		301.6072	you know,	301.9141
394		302.3856	still having the- uh, you know, my sister and her son now live in that house, and still having the house that I was born in	307.2622
396		307.9139	and	308.2566
398		308.4036	a really ridiculous story like that. [<laugh>]	310.7366
399	ROC_int_01	310.5420	[Yeah.]	310.9202
400		311.1377	Definitely.	311.9177
402		312.2959	Um,	312.7119
404		313.1610	so I have a question about both of your respective neighborhoods you grew up [in.]	317.3929
405	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	317.2842	[Mm-hm.]	317.7049
406	ROC_int_01	317.8420	Um, but w-	318.8490
408		319.0192	first for, um,	320.2389
410		321.1040	I guess, old school Corn Hill before it was [Corn Hill, /RD-ADDRESS-1/] Street,	325.0015
411	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	324.0075	[Yeah.]	324.3573
412	ROC_int_01	325.2914	uh, what	325.7776
414		325.9111	brought your parents to that [part of] the city?	328.0948
415	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	327.4348	[It-]	327.6475
416		328.2036	yeah.	328.5061
418		329.3185	Well, I, uh-	330.0891
420		330.9613	I, um-	331.5191
422		331.8359	I only in the last	333.0820
424		333.5512	ten or fifteen years-	334.9363
426		335.9338	I always thought that I was born over on the west side.	338.4563
428		339.0709	Um,	339.3498
430		340.5751	um,	340.9296
432		341.5537	there was an apartment-	342.3195
434		344.0214	well I- I guess a housing tract	345.4775
436		346.0117	over on West Main Street now over by King Street,	348.4046
438		349.8749	and before it was	350.7589
440		351.4255	a housing tract,	352.4135
442		353.3788	way way way	354.6835
444		354.8112	back	355.2042
446		355.3011	in the day, there was a hospital on that property.	357.5247
448		357.8131	Um, and I-	358.5932
450		359.6199	it was	360.0548
452		360.3101	genes- um, General Hospital.	361.9127
454		362.1491	And I thought I was born in that hospital because it was like,	365.0620
456		365.5584	so close, and then	366.5181
458		367.3643	fifteen years ago, I-	368.5083
460		368.8345	I, uh-	369.3687
462		369.9786	I asked for a long version of my birth certificate. And I found out that	373.9410
464		374.5556	I wasn't- I	375.2374
466		375.3508	hadn't been born over there, that I w-	376.8969
468		377.0045	I was	377.2917
470		377.3732	born at the General Hospital over on Portland.	379.6560
472		380.1146	My-	380.4321
474		380.5976	and my parents lived on	382.0537
476		382.3373	Nassau	382.9566
478		383.3112	over on the, um,	384.3985
480		387.3843	north east side.	388.1884
482		388.6986	And, uh,	389.2989
484		390.3824	I don't know. I really-	391.3515
486		391.6588	I do- I don't know.	392.4483
488		392.6941	I don't know where-	393.3087
490		393.4694	what	393.6727
492		393.8760	led to their moving from Nassau over to, uh-	396.5403
494		397.1880	over to /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Street.	398.2044
496		398.8442	Um,	399.2271
498		399.8748	but,	400.0970
500		400.3507	yeah,	400.5150
502		400.7201	that's my-	400.9553
504		401.2822	I don't know.	401.5552
505	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	402.1397	And some- some more background too,	403.7484
507		403.8264	um,	404.3653
509		404.6816	he is number eight of ten [kids.]	406.7522
510	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	406.5624	[Ten] kids.	407.1675
511	ROC_int_01	407.3802	Wow.	407.8230
512	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	407.8384	Um,	408.3466
514		409.1816	and	409.7583
516		409.9089	I had a question	410.7111
518		410.8026	cause	411.1971
520		411.8601	I've like	412.2710
522		412.3715	looked more into like,	413.5526
524		413.9511	you know,	414.2347
526		414.3718	Corn Hill before it was Corn Hill.	415.8846
528		416.3204	And it was b- super black.	417.3699
529	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	417.5826	Yeah.	417.7717
530	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	418.0412	Um,	418.4808
532		418.7976	[and-]	419.1994
533	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	418.8549	[Well],	419.1397
534		419.6201	yeah it-	420.0978
536		420.2420	yeah	420.4737
538		420.6037	it was	421.1707
540		421.6451	an-	421.8011
542		421.9335	and-	422.2360
544		422.4748	a-	422.6591
546		422.7868	and	423.1673
548		424.1721	a- a mixture of black and Italian families, uh, in the neighb- in the neighborhood [back-]	428.1913
549	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	428.1393	[Mm-hm.]	428.4230
550	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	428.5601	back then.	429.0186
552		429.8318	Um,	430.1769
554		430.9522	um,	431.3162
556		433.0209	I- I remember,	434.0798
558		434.9997	you know, know spending time as a- as a	436.6922
560		438.0111	boy,	438.4130
562		439.0520	h- the- there was a-	440.0211
564		440.6404	there was a store	441.6001
566		441.7278	like maybe five houses down	443.3824
568		444.4157	where our house was and,	445.6496
570		446.3682	um,	446.7889
572		447.7353	all the- all they sold	448.6965
574		448.8135	were	448.9455
576		449.1062	chickens.	449.6641
578		449.8768	And I- I remembered,	450.8743
580		451.7380	you know, my brother and I would like,	453.3856
582		453.4660	uh-	453.6440
584		453.8095	would like s- e-	454.4146
586		454.5328	like on s- on weekends we'd	455.8788
588		456.1246	we'd like just hang out.	457.2558
590		458.1110	We'd watch him slaughter chickens. We'd watch him	460.4717
592		460.5609	pluck 'em and	461.4580
594		462.1023	dress 'em.	462.7453
596		463.5726	Um,	463.9035
598		464.0556	every now and then he would just like snatch a	466.0128
600		466.1404	chicken out of a cage and	467.3223
602		468.6460	slaughter it,	469.2889
604		469.6254	dress it,	470.1218
606		470.9680	cut it up, and	471.6421
608		471.7910	cook it. And	472.5092
610		472.6524	we would like sit there, and [we would eat.]	474.4205
611	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	474.0121	[/<laugh>/]	474.3903
612	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	474.6616	And, uh,	475.1958
614		476.4296	um-	476.7795
616		477.4611	and- and so the-	478.5720
618		479.6830	I d- I don't ever recall-	481.4605
620		482.5195	I don't ever recall	483.7486
622		483.9858	any situations where there were like	485.9052
624		486.1037	any kinds of	486.8507
626		487.0067	racial tensions,	488.3587
628		488.6046	um,	488.8929
630		489.6373	um,	489.9047
632		490.0110	even though the-	490.6823
634		490.8100	the neighborhood was mixed.	491.9652
636		492.6838	Um,	493.0242
638		493.6813	it was b-	494.0170
640		494.2305	it was back at a time when,	495.7859
642		498.0172	um,	498.4474
644		499.7995	you know,	500.0217
646		501.2233	like	501.3793
648		502.0081	gangsters,	502.5470
650		502.6220	mafia	503.0912
652		503.2520	people	503.6369
654		503.7763	like were in the n- were in the neighborhood at that time, and-	506.1771
656		507.1983	a- and still	507.8146
658		507.9482	I d- I don't recall	508.9524
660		509.0375	like-	509.3256
662		509.5669	like	509.7915
664		509.9451	ever	510.3706
666		511.3409	like,	511.5442
668		511.7578	you know,	512.0982
670		512.3014	experiencing any-	513.4211
672		513.5924	any kind of	514.3295
674		515.5384	racial	516.0253
676		516.4753	backlash, uh, of any kind. We, you know,	518.6215
678		519.3117	u-	519.4819
680		519.6474	though	519.9972
682		520.6827	I- I didn't-	521.2736
684		522.4867	m- most of the	523.3801
686		523.5692	Italian families were older	525.0442
688		525.8629	people,	526.2884
690		526.7611	and I don't remember	527.7350
692		529.4274	playing with-	530.0562
694		530.3871	with	530.6046
696		530.7464	white kids. I mean, we, you know,	532.0520
698		532.2127	I-	532.3829
700		532.7091	I had	533.1110
702		533.2386	like a	533.5364
704		533.7492	crew of my own I could like	535.2572
706		535.9049	hang out with and,	536.6741
708		536.7781	you know, like-	537.1955
710		537.9547	you know, like my brothers and sisters, we always played together. And there were other	541.2316
712		541.4018	like	541.5842
714		541.6563	kids in the neighborhood,	542.6121
716		543.5420	but,	543.6696
718		544.3929	yeah,	544.5915
720		544.9177	I don't know.	545.2486
722		545.8408	Yeah.	545.9779
723	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	546.7892	Um,	547.1958
725		548.1271	m-	548.2405
727		548.3587	Char- Doctor Lunsford, I	549.5645
729		549.6247	I guess that's where I got like my kind of	551.3237
731		551.5553	basis. I was looking up information about	553.3749
733		553.4506	him. And,	553.8576
735		554.4675	um,	554.9118
737		555.4327	you know, there were like black	556.5673
739		556.9266	doctors, dentists, [you know], like those [very]	559.0335
740	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	558.0103	[Mm-hm.]	558.2076
742		558.7184	[Mm-hm.]	558.9701
743	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	559.1446	self	559.7266
745		560.0717	[sufficient.]	560.7621
746	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	560.1499	[Mm-hm.]	560.4016
748		560.6391	[Yeah.]	560.7408
749		560.9141	Yeah,	561.1009
751		561.1623	black businesses,	562.0180
753		562.4931	black-owned businesses. I, you know- recently I	564.4176
755		566.8078	I- I- I heard the story about, uh, you know,	568.9800
757		569.0982	b-	569.2661
759		569.3870	before,	569.9118
761		571.9257	um,	572.2661
763		572.9189	desegregation,	574.0109
765		574.9068	that there were like	575.7629
767		576.0489	many more black businesses [and, uh], b- like, uh, flourishing	579.2994
768	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	577.8311	[Mm.]	578.1101
769	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	580.0558	black	580.3915
771		581.5359	community, business community, and	583.4122
773		583.5971	um,	583.8690
775		584.8409	and-	585.0040
777		585.1080	and now that we've like,	586.5451
779		586.6255	you know, everybody's,	587.5143
781		588.2836	you know, sort of come together,	589.8200
783		590.5308	like	590.6726
785		591.1198	black businesses have really just kind of-	592.9540
787		593.2590	they're-	593.4670
789		593.6636	they've gone away. They've disappeared.	595.0298
791		596.3299	But it-	596.5166
793		596.6399	but yeah.	597.1269
795		597.2474	I r-	597.4342
797		597.5736	you know,	597.8715
799		598.0156	I had-	598.3206
801		598.8169	had some relatives, um,	600.0394
803		601.1386	there's a	601.6633
805		602.0604	healthcare center on	603.3443
807		603.8809	Hudson.	604.4128
809		605.6258	[Doctor]	607.0038
810	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	606.5500	[/RD-NAME-2/?]	606.9400
811		608.1928	/RD-NAME-2/?	608.5048
812	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	608.7534	/RD-NAME-2/,	609.0252
814		609.1907	yeah.	609.4082
816		609.5854	He lived right down the street from us.	610.8926
817	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	611.0415	Mm.	611.2519
818	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	612.4917	Thanks.	612.8179
820		613.0346	Thanks for that.	613.4340
821	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	613.6491	<laugh>	614.3299
822	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	615.2269	Yeah.	615.4491
823	ROC_int_01	616.7642	Yeah.	617.0289
825		617.2038	Okay, cool. Um,	618.6741
827		619.1090	I just wanted to build on that. So you think that maybe integration sort of had something to do with the	625.3028
829		625.5564	<ts>	625.6440
831		626.1018	/redistrubi-/	627.1381
833		627.2078	re-	627.5447
835		627.7361	redistribution of people I guess into	630.1938
837		631.1393	different neighborhoods? Because now Corn Hill is mostly white,	634.6243
839		635.1443	and I think in general, um,	637.3529
841		637.7122	you don't have as many	639.5671
843		639.6664	mixed areas of	641.3996
845		641.5793	Rochester	642.3497
846	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	642.3863	[Yeah.]	642.5659
847	ROC_int_01	642.5057	[in] the city,	643.1771
848	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	643.6621	Yeah.	643.8890
849	ROC_int_01	644.2675	[so],	644.6441
850	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	644.5411	[Well-]	644.7491
851	ROC_int_01	644.7928	yeah.	644.9630
852	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	645.6857	well, I mean,	646.2500
854		646.5394	uh, you know- I mean,	647.3785
856		648.4895	what's now called	649.3172
858		649.6080	Corn Hill was like-	650.7355
860		651.0475	in- in my opinion, was basically stolen from the black community.	654.1018
862		654.7058	Right, and- and,	655.7080
864		656.2138	you know, they-	656.6250
866		656.8034	they bought properties on the cheap, and then they- and then they,	659.9953
868		660.2600	you know,	660.6098
870		661.6082	rehabbed 'em or	662.5159
872		662.6340	rebuilt	663.4283
874		664.0050	and, you know, and made it this-	665.7825
876		666.4586	you know, this	667.0495
878		667.9816	great	668.4544
880		668.7428	bastion of like rich white people.	670.7992
882		671.6927	And, um,	672.3924
884		675.5654	yeah, I d- so I- I- I- I, uh-	677.6123
886		679.1771	I don't-	679.4750
888		679.6602	I don't know if	680.4449
890		680.6246	integration-	681.6268
892		682.1846	you- you asked if integration is the cause of it, or	684.8037
894		685.0834	or i- is- is the reason why	686.8580
896		688.8577	neighborhoods are- or communities are	690.6834
898		690.8299	isolated. Is that wha-	691.7831
900		691.9722	is that what you're [asking],	692.8214
901	ROC_int_01	692.5826	[Well], [the- that] they've changed, right, from the time	695.4887
902	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	692.9959	[or-]	693.1472
903	ROC_int_01	695.5832	that you grew up in it to what it looks [like] [now. What] kind of- what things have been happening such [that-]	701.3541
904	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	697.7039	[Yeah.]	697.8706
906		698.2559	[Oh yeah.]	698.5844
908		701.0739	[Yeah],	701.2748
909	ROC_int_01	701.7209	yeah.	702.0897
910	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	702.5199	Yeah.	702.7326
912		703.5646	Well, you know, I- you know I- I-	705.0672
914		705.2279	I think	705.7259
916		706.6714	that someone-	707.5886
918		707.8675	someone apparently back	709.0210
920		709.7868	in the sixties was somewhat	711.1350
922		711.4139	forward	711.9812
924		712.1561	looking	712.7140
926		713.2718	to the degree that they were able to	715.4701
928		716.4298	map out	717.2295
930		717.4139	like a neighborhood that	718.4575
932		718.5544	would be close to the center of the city,	720.8177
934		721.3661	and-	721.5883
936		721.7348	you know, and- you know like an easy walk or an easy bike ride,	724.7348
938		725.9979	you know, to	726.6928
940		726.8055	downtown	727.4492
942		727.7282	work, and,	728.4550
944		728.5543	you know, businesses, and-	729.8839
946		729.9973	and government offices, and /they/ bought up a bunch of property. And,	733.4323
948		734.1867	y- you know, it- I don't know at what point- I thought it was-	736.4559
950		736.6119	it was more	737.2596
952		737.8514	seventies, eighties, nineties when people from the suburbs were coming back into the city. But	742.3046
954		743.5933	yeah, uh, that's about the time Corn Hill	745.3566
956		745.6876	like sprung up too.	746.6812
958		747.0452	So,	747.3572
960		748.7754	you know,	749.0591
962		749.3947	you know, people were coming back into the city, and they were like scoping out neighborhoods that would	753.5936
964		754.1561	be convenient to their office locations.	756.6381
966		757.5977	So,	757.8530
968		757.9854	yeah.	758.1792
969	ROC_int_01	758.6394	Okay.	758.9727
971		759.3544	Makes sense.	760.0115
973		760.5788	Okay, so nineteenth ward, um,	762.8299
975		763.5769	do you think, uh, the neighborhood has changed much since you,	767.8419
977		768.2532	uh, growing up as a small child, and in- in what ways?	771.1842
978	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	773.2151	Hm.	774.0046
980		774.1937	Um,	774.6428
982		779.2813	/I think/- I don't know if I see	780.5293
984		781.0683	a big difference.	781.8294
986		782.3455	And,	782.9183
988		783.0601	um,	783.5888
990		785.0591	so like	785.5035
992		786.7562	I went to college for black studies,	788.4156
994		788.6623	and I feel like	789.6550
996		790.5816	in college, I was kind of opened up to a lot of stuff that	793.3235
998		793.6781	<clears throat>	793.9134
1000		793.9784	I was maybe blind to a little bit,	795.6457
1002		795.7839	um, in- in growing up.	797.1820
1004		797.8864	Um, growing up in a mixed family, um,	800.2832
1006		802.1230	yeah, I th- feel like I had like some color blindness	804.1047
1008		804.1803	to me,	804.5624
1010		804.9075	whereas like, w- wha- you know, th- there- to some degree, there's like this like	807.7827
1012		808.0805	just happy and everyone accepts everyone, because in my family, like,	810.6806
1014		811.1155	you know, both sides did	811.9996
1016		812.2793	really get along,	812.9837
1018		813.1161	um,	813.4990
1020		813.7638	pretty well. And,	814.7613
1022		815.3805	you know, I would got to school with mostly students of color.	818.1708
1024		818.2334	Um, my friends were	819.4943
1026		819.8583	mostly	820.6052
1028		821.1915	people of color, but I still had	822.8082
1030		823.0446	my white friends, and	824.1461
1032		824.3825	so my groups were like-	825.6834
1034		825.9387	were mixed, you know.	826.8369
1036		827.4467	Um,	827.9053
1038		828.7555	<ts>	828.8431
1040		828.9501	and, um,	829.8672
1042		830.3313	I did- I d- still- I remember like	832.2743
1044		832.4540	kind of distinctly	833.3900
1046		833.7777	s- at some point in middle school,	835.1628
1048		835.3046	my shift being like, I really like being around black people, you know. (laughing) [Um],	838.7376
1049	ROC_int_01	838.5363	[Mm.]	838.7443
1050	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	839.2955	and, um, you know, I don't know what	840.5624
1052		840.6542	th-	840.7086
1054		840.8035	the s-	841.1555
1056		841.2371	what was behind thay, but,	842.4721
1058		842.5702	um-	843.1133
1060		843.9406	but it s- wasn't like,	844.9145
1062		845.0610	you know,	845.2832
1064		845.7332	fuck whitey,	846.3525
1066		846.4943	but it was, you know, like <laugh> [b-]	848.0591
1067	ROC_int_01	847.9173	[Yes.]	848.2765
1068	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	848.5507	but, you know, I'd- there- it was definitely a preference.	850.4323
1070		850.8577	Um,	851.3069
1072		852.2626	so as far as the neighborhood, um, like	854.0260
1074		854.2435	some things that I remember (breathy)	855.7027
1076		855.7736	um,	856.1770
1078		856.9097	we always kind of	858.2626
1080		859.1514	saw our street as like being	860.9998
1082		861.3024	like	861.5293
1084		861.7090	around the corner from the hood, you know,	863.0988
1086		863.5110	um, and the nineteenth ward really has like those pockets where,	866.5176
1088		866.7493	um,	867.1133
1090		867.7515	there's like, you know, high drug activity, or, you know, whatever it is in like certain	871.0143
1092		871.1089	areas.	871.5674
1094		872.0638	And then you can like th- s-literally turn a corner,	874.1297
1096		874.2668	and it's very different.	875.4061
1098		876.0594	Um,	876.5490
1100		876.6424	<clears throat>	876.9198
1102		877.7423	so	878.4136
1104		878.8438	I remember like,	879.7957
1106		879.9280	you know, my sister and I sneaking out of the house. He knows about these [things.] Um, [<laugh>]	883.7376
1107	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	882.5908	[<laugh>]	882.6328
1108	ROC_int_01	883.0911	[<laugh>]	883.9610
1109	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	884.0969	you know, sneaking out and like wanting to, you know, at night, be like-	887.0138
1111		887.2990	seek out	887.9939
1113		888.1665	that-	888.4336
1115		888.5829	those sce- you know, like	889.7128
1117		890.1194	those scenes. Um,	891.3130
1119		891.5853	and I still fell like there-	892.8499
1121		893.3297	there's-	893.6016
1123		893.7552	that's still the case today, you know,	895.2479
1125		895.3106	um,	895.6537
1127		895.8806	that w- like, our little area felt	897.4761
1129		897.6917	little too safe, and so we wanted to like find some danger, you know. And I f- still feel like that's,	901.4788
1131		901.5875	um, the case.	902.5566
1133		903.1618	Um,	903.5991
1135		903.7791	right in our neighborhood, we had, um-	906.0909
1137		906.2121	you know, we used to have-	907.0012
1139		907.0699	I went to	907.5071
1141		907.6419	/RD-SCHOOL-4/ School which is now /RD-SCHOOL-1/ School	909.1287
1143		909.5211	on /RD-ADDRESS-2/	910.2613
1145		910.3771	and, um, we used to have like the- a corner store there and like,	912.9871
1147		913.2188	you know, my mom had us out there	914.5472
1149		914.8592	like picketing because they were like selling drugs and had illegal guns and stuff like that. And,	918.5494
1151		919.0368	um-	919.4386
1153		919.5615	and she got- you know,	920.3037
1155		920.4077	she helped get rid of that store, which I was pretty resentful of. Um,	923.4804
1157		923.9179	<laugh> you know, that was like	925.4467
1159		925.9336	the five cent candy store, you know.	927.2199
1160	ROC_int_01	927.4120	[Mm-hm.]	927.9061
1161	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	927.6690	[Um],	928.0661
1162		928.2434	but, um-	929.4446
1164		930.5650	but yeah, I don't know. I think,	931.6599
1166		931.7527	um, to that degree, I think that	933.4438
1168		933.7240	the nineteenth ward has	934.9805
1170		935.3658	stayed kind of constant in that	936.6436
1172		937.2274	another thing that I noticed in the nineteenth ward, when I,	939.2973
1174		939.4722	um, came back	940.6554
1176		941.3457	home from college,	942.5230
1178		943.0206	um,	943.4286
1180		943.6401	I got involved in the,	945.4368
1182		945.5809	uh-	945.8457
1184		946.0561	the community association	947.2748
1186		947.4792	in the nineteenth ward.	948.2784
1188		948.7618	And	949.3267
1190		949.7193	it's mostly run by white people.	951.5337
1192		951.7712	Um,	952.1967
1194		952.6957	I think,	953.0609
1196		953.2452	to me, when I look at-	954.4143
1198		954.6188	at	954.8291
1200		954.8930	my neighborhood,	955.6850
1202		955.8812	it feels more black than white,	957.4710
1204		958.0395	um, and I know that obviously there are still white people there. But,	960.2741
1206		960.4084	um-	960.7854
1208		961.6129	but I see white people stepping up to those positions,	964.4557
1210		964.9226	and also our slogan is, urban by choice.	967.5101
1212		967.6626	And	968.0999
1214		968.3859	that began	969.1271
1216		969.6152	to	969.7429
1218		970.2357	bother me,	970.8032
1220		970.9108	um,	971.3350
1222		972.0184	cause I'm like, whose choice is it [to be urban, you know?]	974.3504
1223	ROC_int_01	973.2131	[Mm-hm.]	974.0830
1224	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	974.5868	[It's your choice] to be urban, you- you know, like	976.5207
1225	ROC_int_01	974.7352	[Right.]	975.1051
1226	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	976.6058	th- like he's saying with Corn Hill.	977.9900
1228		978.3150	Like	978.4628
1230		978.5549	these people	979.1010
1232		979.1624	chose to come in because	980.6932
1234		980.7759	some white people with money	982.2369
1236		982.4959	created	983.0431
1238		983.1743	a space that they would feel safe in.	984.7393
1240		985.1423	Um, so you made that choice, but a lot of people don't have the choice.	988.1376
1242		988.1977	People- you know, like, we don't have the ch- like,	989.3937
1244		989.6407	oh yeah, we wanna live in sub- suburbs,	991.6524
1246		991.7174	you know, but	992.2566
1248		992.6655	w- we like it here, you know. You know, like there- it's not a choice, [you know.]	995.2755
1249	ROC_int_01	995.1384	[Yeah.]	995.3357
1250	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	995.8605	Um,	996.3214
1252		997.7245	so, yeah, so the- there are things, um, that I've- I've like	1000.8321
1254		1000.9762	been able to put more words and like more critique to, since, uh,	1004.0566
1256		1004.2471	coming back from college.	1005.3167
1258		1005.6916	Um, i- but	1006.1702
1260		1006.2707	honestly when I look, a lot of that	1007.4752
1262		1007.5402	s- feels the same	1008.4963
1264		1008.6478	as when I was growing up.	1009.6217
1265	ROC_int_01	1010.4953	Okay. So	1011.4443
1267		1011.5872	pretty consistent I guess you would say during the span of your life thus [far.]	1015.2368
1268	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1014.8491	[Yeah.]	1015.3408
1269	ROC_int_01	1015.5535	Okay.	1015.9270
1270	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1016.2359	But my-	1016.5030
1272		1016.5857	my perspective would be a little different. I'd-	1018.3967
1274		1018.4960	you know, I think	1018.9971
1276		1020.3965	the-	1020.5005
1278		1021.9900	the neighborhood that we live in has pretty much	1024.2876
1280		1024.9546	stayed the same.	1025.9190
1282		1026.1905	The neighborhood has stayed the same.	1027.7222
1284		1028.2525	My recollection of	1029.4958
1286		1030.3846	like	1030.6115
1288		1030.7297	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ Road when we f- when we first moved in and- and had children,	1034.3840
1290		1034.7300	/RD-ADDRESS-2/ Road was a pretty vibrant	1036.3089
1292		1036.9046	[business]	1037.4282
1293	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1037.2202	[Mm.]	1037.5180
1294	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1038.0061	community,	1038.5639
1296		1038.7767	and it's not the same anymore.	1040.1004
1297	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1040.1099	Yeah.	1040.3785
1298	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1040.6787	Like-	1040.8749
1300		1041.0096	like	1041.2007
1302		1041.2740	anchor businesses are no longer there.	1043.2231
1304		1043.9978	The- the other reason why	1045.0383
1306		1045.1234	w-	1045.2392
1308		1045.3456	like /RD-NAME-3/ and I	1046.3785
1310		1046.4920	chose to	1047.1822
1312		1047.3607	buy in the nineteenth ward,	1048.7364
1314		1049.2903	right, you know,	1049.6736
1316		1049.7823	one, we-	1050.2358
1318		1050.4087	uh, we-	1050.7893
1320		1050.9902	we had-	1051.3519
1322		1051.4289	we bought-	1051.8685
1324		1053.4505	we got a really good deal on the house that we- that we bought.	1056.4533
1326		1057.2664	And the other- the other thing in it- it- it- it- it goes back to what /RD-NAME-1/ was saying about the-	1061.1287
1328		1061.5475	the community association. The community association	1064.2658
1330		1065.0041	w- was formed by	1066.2995
1332		1067.0275	y-	1067.1504
1334		1067.3023	you know,	1067.6234
1336		1067.7794	like	1067.9933
1338		1068.7166	some people who ha-	1069.7850
1340		1070.2909	who had s-	1070.9149
1342		1071.5058	some	1071.9274
1344		1072.0834	pretty revolutionary ideas. I mean	1074.2344
1346		1074.6835	the- the nineteenth w-	1075.7757
1348		1075.8886	d-	1075.9845
1350		1076.0450	and- and they were mostly white people	1078.0934
1352		1078.7694	who	1079.1262
1354		1079.2255	were,	1079.6535
1356		1079.7961	um,	1080.1980
1358		1081.0536	beating up or, uh, you know, working hard to beat up on banks who were like redlining like [a- like] all over the neighborhood,	1087.1860
1359	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1085.8576	[Mm.]	1086.1271
1360	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1087.4838	and- [and- and that's] where the	1088.7319
1361	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1087.6871	[Did not know that.]	1088.3395
1362	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1089.0675	urban by choice, that-	1090.1393
1364		1090.2646	I mean it-	1090.6676
1366		1091.1504	you know I- I- I hear what you're saying, [but that's] really where	1093.5378
1367	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1092.5497	[Yeah.]	1092.8996
1368	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1093.8403	urban by- you know, we live here because we wanna be here.	1096.6257
1369	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1096.7911	Yeah.	1097.0606
1370	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1097.6137	That kind of sentiment came from is- is that they,	1100.7441
1372		1101.5194	um,	1101.8173
1374		1102.6635	th- you know, they wanted to- they wanted the	1104.9890
1376		1105.1498	neighborhood to be,	1106.1807
1378		1106.9196	um,	1107.2978
1380		1108.4143	inte- integrated, and like, you know, like, lots of different people living. And that was-	1112.4563
1382		1112.9149	that was their	1113.5247
1384		1113.8848	aim,	1114.3860
1386		1114.5561	and- and,	1115.2747
1388		1115.4591	you know, helping /nor-/ the, um,	1116.9530
1390		1117.4257	neighborhood	1117.9268
1392		1118.2767	become	1118.8061
1394		1119.5200	more vibrant.	1120.4805
1396		1120.8303	And-	1121.0478
1398		1121.4118	um,	1121.7758
1400		1122.3242	and,	1122.5275
1402		1123.0948	you know, I- I was active in the nineteenth ward community association for some time,	1127.0903
1404		1127.6340	you know,	1128.0134
1406		1128.1505	not-	1128.3715
1408		1128.5830	not-	1128.7769
1410		1129.1941	n-	1129.3359
1412		1129.8276	not a great deal of time, but-	1131.0614
1414		1131.6201	and I- and I know that there was- there was always- there's always been a great push	1135.5250
1416		1136.0261	to bring,	1136.6785
1418		1136.8581	um,	1137.3073
1420		1137.7422	you know, a	1138.2725
1422		1138.5467	diversity	1139.2889
1424		1139.6529	of people into the association, but it was just,	1142.4232
1426		1142.9432	y- you know,	1143.4916
1428		1144.6271	you know, efforts to-	1145.6718
1430		1145.8089	to make that happen	1146.8632
1432		1146.9719	t- you know,	1147.5203
1434		1147.7897	just never-	1148.3618
1436		1149.6957	it	1149.8754
1438		1149.9825	never came to the point where we-	1151.7995
1440		1151.9697	where we were hoping that it would come.	1153.4730
1441	ROC_int_01	1154.4138	Mm-hm.	1154.7447
1443		1157.1187	Okay.	1157.5773
1445		1158.0973	Um,	1158.5606
1447		1159.1799	let's see, what else was I gon-	1160.4705
1449		1160.7731	oh, I wanted to ask about	1162.5987
1451		1162.8445	what you thought about U of R's sort of role in-	1165.8985
1453		1166.0781	in	1166.5414
1455		1167.5247	trying to create this, um,	1169.5915
1457		1170.5228	college town for students, and how you think it might be affecting	1174.4084
1459		1174.5272	the neighborhood.	1175.4496
1460	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1175.4780	Yeah.	1175.7995
1462		1176.7570	Um,	1177.1777
1464		1177.2723	so	1178.1941
1466		1179.8657	I'm gonna tangent a little bit and [try to bring] it [back.]	1181.8938
1467	ROC_int_01	1181.3454	[Yeah.]	1181.5416
1469		1181.7520	[Totally] [fine.]	1182.2909
1470	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1182.1207	[B-]	1182.2106
1471		1182.4119	but, um, you know, I r- remember, um,	1184.9671
1473		1185.6724	the	1186.0406
1475		1186.3952	Arnett /RD-WORK-4/,	1187.4636
1477		1187.6882	um,	1188.1893
1479		1188.6979	and	1189.3810
1481		1189.4873	we now have the /RD-WORK-2/	1190.7284
1483		1191.1207	/RD-WORK-1/. And I don't know if you know the difference,	1192.5979
1485		1192.6688	but	1192.8481
1487		1193.3620	Arnett was like	1194.2956
1489		1194.4261	popping, ha- you know, had a swimming pool- it like- it had what normal /RD-WORK-4/'s have, and,	1198.4756
1491		1199.0074	um,	1199.4825
1493		1199.7047	they shut that down when I was a kid.	1201.4874
1495		1202.2438	Um,	1202.8016
1497		1202.9104	and,	1203.5817
1499		1203.7050	you know, people in the neighborhood were like, what	1205.2831
1501		1205.4589	the hell? You know, like,	1206.3240
1503		1206.4044	we	1206.8086
1505		1207.1149	now have nothing here	1208.1833
1507		1208.6990	and fought to get th- you know, to get anything. And we were given the /RD-WORK-3/, which is	1213.1102
1509		1213.5971	one floor, has a very- you know, like very small gym, very small dance space,	1217.7699
1511		1218.0819	very small space for like	1219.7232
1513		1219.7870	after school programming.	1220.8276
1515		1221.1562	No	1221.6932
1517		1221.8350	basketball courts, no swimming pool, like	1224.3216
1519		1224.6672	just- it has almost nothing. It-	1225.9838
1521		1226.3785	I feel it was made	1227.6455
1523		1227.8610	to fail,	1228.4543
1525		1228.6623	um,	1229.0476
1527		1229.5322	and they didn't realize that,	1230.4493
1529		1230.6364	you know, people wanted it.	1231.6103
1531		1231.7545	And so,	1232.4022
1533		1232.5180	we- you know, it still maintains membership,	1234.6316
1535		1234.7545	um,	1235.1161
1537		1235.8914	you know, f-	1236.1893
1539		1236.2555	for it to have existed for as long as it has,	1237.9493
1541		1238.5194	um,	1238.8314
1543		1238.9921	even with like how little,	1240.2804
1545		1240.4671	um,	1240.7744
1547		1240.8476	that it offers.	1241.4957
1549		1242.1741	And, um,	1242.8620
1551		1243.0653	I-	1243.1890
1553		1243.2540	so I worked when I came back from school- I worked at the /RD-WORK-1/ in, um-	1246.7805
1555		1247.4045	in their like, uh, childcare programming. And,	1249.7450
1557		1250.3762	um,	1250.9435
1559		1252.4921	while I was there, there were talks of-	1254.8303
1561		1255.4307	so it's k- the /RD-WORK-6/.	1257.2200
1563		1257.7570	And there were talks of	1258.7498
1565		1259.0381	putting that at	1259.8962
1567		1260.2082	College Town.	1260.9295
1569		1261.7450	And,	1262.3667
1571		1262.6267	um,	1263.0829
1573		1263.4946	th- it was very frustrating cause	1265.2296
1575		1265.6102	like the reason that that	1266.6195
1577		1267.0359	shitty /RD-WORK-1/ existed was (laughing)	1269.0333
1579		1269.6530	for the people in that neighborhood. If it were moved to College Town, it would	1273.0997
1581		1273.2581	not- you know, it wouldn't be for those neighbors. It would be for these students who	1277.2769
1583		1277.7071	are now coming and taking up space in this neighborhood.	1280.2060
1585		1280.6622	Um, so that's like, you know, just one	1282.6576
1587		1282.9105	of many things that I've noticed. Um,	1284.7069
1589		1285.3810	o-	1285.5063
1591		1285.6079	our street,	1286.3237
1593		1286.4542	um, because it is one of those like,	1287.9811
1595		1288.0438	you know, safer feeling pockets, um,	1290.0826
1597		1290.4088	I feel like we tend- and	1291.5340
1599		1291.9925	w- we-	1292.3778
1601		1292.4511	k- we have for years had	1294.1912
1603		1294.3496	college students living,	1295.4558
1605		1295.5622	um, on our street. And,	1296.5010
1607		1296.8201	you know, we have a neighbor across the street who passed away, and his house then became one of these	1300.7987
1609		1301.0894	houses, um,	1302.0755
1611		1302.3946	where college students live.	1303.3258
1613		1303.6148	But, you know, it-	1304.1013
1615		1304.2833	it j- um,	1304.9664
1617		1306.1834	<ts>	1306.2572
1619		1306.5245	when those opportunities come, when a house opens up	1308.5654
1621		1308.6499	that	1308.8958
1623		1309.0547	is an oppontunity for a landlord to come in and-	1310.8908
1625		1311.2954	and make money o-	1311.9879
1627		1312.0943	um, you know,	1312.7065
1629		1312.8673	off of that,	1313.3305
1631		1313.5646	versus like families coming in and living there,	1315.9618
1633		1316.1344	uh,	1316.3944
1635		1316.5078	you know, for years.	1317.2575
1637		1317.9147	Um,	1318.3070
1639		1319.1060	So /I/ see that a lot,	1320.2055
1641		1320.6003	um,	1320.9738
1643		1321.1841	but, you know, there's, um-	1322.4346
1645		1322.5220	I don't know what it's called, but	1323.6060
1647		1323.9251	over on Plymouth. That was one of the ones that really	1326.2231
1649		1326.3696	shocked me cause Plymouth is the hood, you know.	1328.1405
1651		1328.6700	And a-	1329.2609
1653		1329.4476	I remember,	1330.3718
1655		1330.6063	you know,	1330.9419
1657		1331.3036	on a daily basis driving,	1332.8896
1659		1333.4715	um, through Plymouth,	1334.5967
1661		1335.9156	and, um,	1337.1168
1663		1337.7030	I was shocked to see- (laughing) cause I,	1339.6015
1665		1339.7717	you know, assumed that	1340.9134
1667		1341.3082	housing for the U of R	1342.6985
1669		1342.7670	in that space	1343.8236
1671		1344.4098	w-	1344.5516
1673		1344.6864	would	1345.2017
1675		1345.9017	probably be pretty white,	1347.0694
1677		1347.1480	um,	1347.4429
1679		1347.7120	and it's still shocking. I- I have friends from like Harlem who talk about,	1351.6994
1681		1352.3991	um,	1352.8317
1683		1354.3378	seeing white people coming further and further into Harlem, and them just looking like, wow, you feel safe here?	1358.8510
1685		1359.1134	And that's how I felt when I would see- like, seeing white people further down Plymouth.	1363.0919
1687		1363.7514	Um,	1364.1533
1689		1364.8510	I was like, what-	1365.3450
1691		1365.5885	you know, like, what are you doing? Like, <laugh>	1367.3302
1692	ROC_int_01	1367.8254	Yeah.	1368.2024
1693	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1368.2828	you know, you don't belong he- you know,	1369.4566
1695		1369.7828	um, [<laugh>]	1371.3761
1696	ROC_int_01	1370.5837	[<laugh>]	1371.1368
1697		1371.8412	Yeah, no. I went to the U of R, so I- I-	1373.9666
1698	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1373.9820	Yeah. [<laugh>]	1375.2986
1699	ROC_int_01	1374.5103	[I know, (laughing) like] I can totally relate. [It was]	1376.8565
1700	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1376.4391	[Yeah.]	1377.0300
1701	ROC_int_01	1377.1874	for me as a native, I was like	1379.1785
1703		1379.6465	w-	1380.0342
1704	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1380.4880	Like I don't wanna live there, you [know.]	1382.2797
1705	ROC_int_01	1381.9914	[Yeah], like yeah. And you would have kids [walking]	1385.3109
1706	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1385.2825	[Yeah.]	1385.6891
1707	ROC_int_01	1385.4480	[midnight], two AM in the [morning around] pla- [Plymouth, yeah.]	1388.6627
1708	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1386.7480	[Drunk.]	1387.5233
1710		1387.8495	[Yeah.]	1388.3932
1711		1388.6816	Targets.	1389.2205
1713		1389.8162	Um,	1390.2889
1715		1391.1890	yeah, and- and also- I also don't want it to come off	1394.2769
1717		1394.4743	as me like-	1395.7341
1719		1396.5508	li- as if I expect violence or certain things from	1399.7919
1721		1400.0094	like my people and the people of the neighborhood,	1401.6498
1723		1402.0761	um,	1402.4874
1725		1402.7569	but I also can understand, um,	1405.4137
1727		1405.5603	th- just the frustration felt	1407.2101
1729		1407.3189	when you see your neighborhood being taken over	1409.7260
1731		1410.0002	by outsiders. And,	1411.2577
1733		1411.7493	um,	1412.2599
1735		1413.6079	like,	1414.1350
1737		1414.3761	just like with Corn Hill, like	1415.7849
1739		1416.3171	we weren't deserving of like	1418.5178
1741		1418.7612	/th-/	1418.9882
1743		1419.0945	th- beautiful space. You know, like we're not deserving of	1421.7778
1745		1422.3786	the things that you people with money, and like the U of R is like,	1425.8159
1747		1426.0239	you know- just has	1426.9670
1749		1427.3098	so much money.	1428.3569
1751		1428.7450	Um,	1429.1563
1753		1430.0734	i-	1430.1632
1755		1430.2767	you know, um, so I-	1431.1962
1757		1431.3569	I-	1431.4467
1759		1431.6055	I get like the frustration behind, um,	1434.1938
1761		1434.5724	seeing	1435.2792
1763		1435.4541	your neighborhood	1436.2058
1765		1436.3854	taken over, and	1437.1513
1767		1437.4779	I know that frustration can	1438.7779
1769		1438.8441	come out in a multitude of ways.	1440.2765
1771		1440.5133	Especially,	1441.0428
1773		1441.4021	you know, when I say targets, it's like,	1442.8912
1775		1443.0402	well if you can afford to live in like,	1444.8228
1777		1444.9528	you know, this expensive housing, like	1446.1406
1779		1446.4231	you might	1446.8372
1781		1447.4045	be someone that I want, (laughing) you know.	1448.7494
1783		1449.1276	I-	1449.2954
1785		1449.5224	I'm struggling,	1450.2278
1787		1450.3046	you know.	1450.6054
1789		1451.1348	Um, I think there's a lot of reasons why crime happens, um,	1454.1467
1791		1454.9419	<ts>	1454.9956
1793		1455.0898	but, yeah.	1455.5176
1795		1455.8561	So- so those are like some of the things, um,	1458.0756
1797		1458.5842	that I've noticed and that- that-	1459.6834
1799		1460.4303	that are frustrating. Y- we had, um,	1462.0523
1801		1462.4328	that Boulder that was in that like	1464.0709
1803		1464.6930	the-	1464.9010
1805		1465.0452	i-	1465.1468
1807		1465.2532	the one side of the street that was like	1466.6832
1809		1466.7636	big and beautiful, [and like]	1467.8773
1810	ROC_int_01	1467.6422	[Mm-hm.]	1468.1764
1811	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1467.9553	[it was] one of the best spaces that we had.	1469.8014
1812		1470.1158	Um, our arts in Rochester are just like dwindling,	1472.9882
1814		1473.0638	um, regularly.	1473.9577
1816		1474.5061	And to have	1475.4185
1818		1475.4809	that space that we had in Boulder like,	1477.3440
1820		1477.5543	um, very beautiful space	1479.4481
1822		1480.2305	that could offer like	1481.3419
1824		1481.6610	doing shows. I've s- I saw like a lot of really good hip hop shows.	1484.9234
1826		1485.4008	Um,	1485.8949
1828		1486.3672	<ts>	1486.4251
1830		1486.6361	and	1487.4090
1832		1488.5984	th-	1488.8206
1834		1489.0357	that	1489.5439
1836		1489.7850	was	1490.0119
1838		1490.1159	given to like a Jewish community center, and like	1492.6314
1840		1492.9682	Boulder moved to l- a much smaller space that just really couldn't accommodate what	1496.4303
1842		1496.7494	the other space had had.	1497.9908
1843	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1498.3075	But	1498.4588
1845		1498.5463	y-	1498.6976
1847		1499.2790	you-	1499.4067
1849		1499.9905	you know that	1500.8497
1851		1502.7327	well, there- there was circumstance. There- a- a few [f- circumstances]	1505.9671
1852	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1504.9460	[Yeah.]	1505.2816
1853	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1506.6337	Like they ad- a- th- this i-	1508.0283
1855		1508.9115	n-	1509.1621
1857		1509.2980	Jewish	1510.0544
1859		1510.2021	community	1511.0803
1861		1511.9226	came to Boulder and offered them- they- they liked the building. I mean,	1515.8369
1863		1517.6287	before the-	1518.2188
1865		1518.3110	I'm- I'm-	1518.6876
1867		1519.4220	before Boulder was there it used to be a drug store on the corner of Brooks and Genesee.	1523.4348
1869		1524.8066	Drug store moved out,	1525.9223
1871		1526.1256	and, uh- [and the building] [was-]	1527.6668
1872	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1526.6362	[It was b-]	1526.9996
1874		1527.4363	[boarded] up for years.	1528.4432
1875	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1528.5366	for years. I mean, the roof had caved in. It was like- it was a freaking mess.	1532.5577
1877		1533.1779	And- and nobody, nobody was interested in that- in that space.	1537.2861
1879		1539.0116	City comes along.	1540.2652
1881		1540.8089	The nineteenth ward also [had a hand] in it.	1542.9126
1882	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1542.0191	[Mm-hm.]	1542.4162
1883	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1543.9384	Um,	1544.2363
1885		1545.0589	they-	1545.5080
1887		1546.2605	they bought the building or the building was given to 'em by the city. They rehabbed the building. They, you know- they had fundraisers and blah blah blah.	1553.0027
1889		1555.3664	Really	1555.8439
1891		1556.0141	an absolute	1556.6334
1893		1556.8130	beautiful building. I mean, once they got it all done, it was a re- it- I mean,	1560.4304
1895		1560.9126	you could sit up-	1561.5445
1897		1561.6414	downstairs or [you could go] upstairs. It was a great building. Now all of a sudden	1565.3247
1898	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1562.3736	[Yeah.]	1562.7045
1899	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1565.7888	this Jewish	1566.5409
1901		1566.6709	community, this rabbi,	1568.3322
1903		1569.0002	all of a sudden, he's interested in the building, and it has to be that building,	1572.9721
1905		1573.5441	right.	1573.8467
1907		1574.2249	He can't-	1574.6740
1909		1575.0806	he can't go across the street where Boulder is now.	1577.6948
1911		1578.0258	It has to be this building.	1579.2794
1913		1579.5867	And he went to that guy who own- who was running it,	1581.8275
1915		1582.1821	who had gotten a special deal	1583.5199
1917		1583.8942	from the city,	1584.6979
1919		1585.1754	and offered him money, and the guy said no.	1586.9813
1921		1587.1987	/Like he, uh/, initially	1588.2104
1923		1588.4421	he said no.	1589.0708
1925		1589.5719	And- and- and my understanding was that he-	1591.9365
1927		1593.5769	he had entered into a d-	1594.8352
1929		1594.9097	a deal with the city that obligated him to stay in that building for a certain amount of time.	1599.6681
1930	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1599.8194	Mm.	1600.1787
1931	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1600.6940	And-	1600.9268
1933		1601.0308	and-	1601.4740
1935		1602.5358	and-	1602.8856
1937		1603.1362	but the Jewish community	1604.2991
1939		1604.6253	kept hitting him.	1605.3636
1941		1605.4629	Y- you know, they-	1606.1610
1943		1606.2461	they kept coming back.	1607.4280
1945		1607.5485	And they-	1608.2293
1947		1608.8067	they- they- I ge- I guess eventually hit him	1611.3226
1949		1611.6677	at a time when he was really vulnerable, like cash flow was not really all that good.	1615.8515
1951		1616.6655	And he, uh,	1617.5920
1953		1618.6084	he made a deal. He made a deal with the city, and, you know-	1621.5009
1955		1621.6734	and he s- and he sold the b- and he ended up selling the building. But	1624.4780
1957		1625.9510	y- I-	1626.2934
1959		1626.3939	the- really, that was a- that was a beautiful space. That was really	1629.3799
1961		1629.9328	h- h-	1630.3134
1962	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1630.4215	[Yeah.]	1630.7406
1963	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1630.6650	[you] know people /enjoyed-/ I en-	1631.9430
1964		1632.1699	you know, I enjoyed going to th-	1633.2348
1966		1633.3169	and- and really	1634.4627
1968		1635.2097	w- what,	1635.7297
1970		1636.0331	you know- and then eventually, he's out of business in the- in	1638.8790
1972		1639.2005	the space that he was in, and	1640.6109
1974		1640.6798	ended up being sold to a-	1641.8148
1975	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1641.8816	Yeah	1642.1912
1976	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1642.3260	another party. And it's not n- nearly as- I mean, it's not- it was never as warm as	1646.5457
1978		1646.8293	[the original] building.	1647.7015
1979	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1646.9097	[Yeah.]	1647.2501
1980		1648.0605	And	1648.2778
1982		1648.3393	even like it being owned by Boulder	1650.1513
1984		1650.2262	isn't	1650.5157
1986		1650.6117	ideal,	1651.2203
1988		1651.6044	but just the idea of like,	1653.5699
1990		1654.2546	not being able to have those spaces	1656.1860
1991	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1656.3077	But-	1656.4301
1992	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1656.5585	in our-	1657.0052
1993	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1657.1152	Right.	1657.2960
1994	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1657.4437	in [our] places	1658.2228
1995	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1657.5970	[Right.]	1657.7979
1996		1658.2712	And- and really, I mean, w- you know,	1659.8023
1998		1660.1203	y-	1660.3094
2000		1660.5095	I- I liked	1661.2754
2002		1661.4148	the coffee house	1662.3083
2004		1662.7622	but a c-	1663.0631
2006		1663.1790	coffee house, I- I don't see that being a-	1665.0126
2008		1665.6367	you know, like a-	1666.4498
2010		1666.9045	a black attraction. I mean, I- I-	1668.6205
2012		1669.3769	I- I like it, but I think	1670.8330
2014		1671.1545	like everything else in that neighborhood, in that- in- in that	1674.5544
2016		1675.3438	area right there,	1676.3130
2018		1676.6912	that was u- that w- that really all was set up	1679.1771
2020		1679.2685	not for the community.	1680.6253
2022		1681.1264	It was set up for the U of [R.]	1682.5501
2023	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1682.4926	[Yeah.]	1682.7384
2024	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1682.8929	It's set up for the U of R	1684.1283
2026		1685.1934	students and their [families. The] hotel, that [was all set] up for the students and their families,	1690.3202
2027	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1686.8144	[Yeah.]	1687.0413
2029		1687.9328	[Mm-hm.]	1688.2779
2030	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1690.4951	right.	1690.8436
2032		1691.7952	And- and-	1692.4334
2034		1692.6414	a- I always wondered. I- I- you know, I- it's like-	1694.8074
2036		1695.3511	like- /ugh/	1695.9231
2038		1696.5235	cause my-	1697.0813
2040		1697.4501	I- I have this	1698.3908
2042		1698.6083	vision of a U-	1700.1077
2044		1700.2590	like-	1700.5994
2046		1700.7129	like-	1700.9587
2048		1701.2837	U of R students	1702.6618
2050		1702.8780	moms and dads, I- it-	1704.4618
2052		1704.7454	the vision that I have is that they're not-	1706.1503
2054		1706.5663	they're not- these are not poor people.	1708.0838
2056		1708.5613	They're- that they're- that-	1709.6435
2058		1709.7452	that,	1710.0930
2060		1710.3294	um-	1710.7454
2062		1711.2162	that the-	1711.7268
2064		1712.1191	the U of R f-	1713.0126
2066		1713.2207	families are high end people. They're, you know-	1716.3085
2068		1717.0129	and I just wondered	1717.9726
2070		1718.3378	like- like, how the hell is that gonna work?	1720.3108
2072		1720.8024	Right? Because-	1721.6912
2074		1722.0363	cause literally, I- you know,	1723.1614
2076		1724.0652	y- y-	1724.3630
2078		1724.7129	y-	1724.9540
2080		1725.0899	you c- you can cross the street or y- even go a block	1727.7905
2082		1728.3199	down the street, and you're like in a totally different neighborhood. You're like-	1732.0035
2084		1732.5471	like-	1732.8071
2086		1733.1144	like this thing that this	1734.2396
2088		1734.9865	utopia that they were trying to build there on that-	1737.6773
2090		1738.1784	on those four corners.	1739.2515
2092		1739.6250	I just didn't see how it was ever gonna work. And it was just- it was-	1742.1172
2094		1742.6136	it- it seemed to me- and I- and I- I had	1744.7894
2096		1744.8721	some of the same	1745.6864
2098		1746.7562	worries that you had.	1748.2312
2100		1748.6331	Is a- is like, you know,	1749.4896
2102		1749.8583	i-	1750.0513
2104		1750.1317	i- it's a haven for m- muggings. I mean it's just- it's just a-	1753.1817
2106		1753.7504	y- you know,	1754.3272
2108		1754.6344	l- you know, like these people are gonna be walking down the street, a- and they're gonna d- you know,	1759.0838
2110		1759.6559	you know, somebody's- somebody's gonna get hurt,	1761.3436
2112		1761.7312	right.	1762.0196
2114		1764.5307	Th- the-	1765.1311
2116		1765.6606	I- I think the utopia experiment that they tried,	1768.5916
2118		1768.8666	y- you know, and they- they got those buildings on Plymouth and then I think they they did some-	1772.3792
2120		1772.7243	some more	1773.2443
2122		1773.5374	building	1774.1205
2124		1774.2363	deeper into- into- into that neighborhood.	1776.5421
2126		1777.0763	I think that experiment	1778.3252
2128		1779.1194	led to College Town,	1780.5140
2130		1780.7398	right. [Because] they-	1781.6593
2131	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1780.9998	[Mm.]	1781.2456
2132	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1781.9587	I just-	1782.2849
2134		1782.6915	it- it just didn't- you know, they realized, you know, what- what the hell? I mean, this is- this is not-	1786.5916
2136		1786.8808	this not working out the way that-	1788.0249
2138		1788.5544	I mean that whole-	1789.3864
2140		1790.2799	that building where the coffee shop is now, that whole-	1793.1125
2142		1793.4339	that was supposed to be like U of R office space.	1795.8166
2144		1796.2990	[Never happened.]	1797.1547
2145	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1796.3264	[Mm.]	1796.8015
2146	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1797.3461	Never happened. I mean, the second floor-	1799.4109
2147	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1799.6851	Yeah.	1799.9372
2148	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1799.9461	the d- the- the first floor was supposed to be like	1802.2879
2150		1802.6828	restaurants and	1803.8678
2152		1804.2129	coffee shop, and, you know a- or, you know,	1806.2504
2154		1806.7657	you know, places.	1807.4323
2156		1808.1792	But they could never attract like,	1809.9952
2158		1810.1158	you know, Applebee's, or, you know, like-	1812.5648
2160		1812.6770	like these solid franchises	1814.5399
2162		1814.9843	to like, come into the- they-	1816.2345
2164		1816.3563	th- th- you know,	1817.0246
2166		1817.3792	they could never attract 'em. And so you ended up with-	1819.6823
2168		1820.6278	y-	1820.8819
2170		1820.9717	you ended up with like,	1822.1867
2172		1822.2782	y- you know, Subway, you know, tried it.	1824.3483
2174		1824.9156	Um, California Rollin	1826.3260
2176		1826.4111	tried it	1826.9256
2178		1827.2504	and didn't succeed.	1828.3803
2180		1828.6403	Th- you know	1829.1176
2182		1829.2700	I mean, they just couldn't attract.	1830.2835
2184		1830.6097	And that's why-	1831.3661
2186		1831.6970	that's why they-	1832.6189
2188		1832.8032	that's why the- I think that's why they built College Town is because	1835.9242
2190		1836.4064	that's a safer,	1837.7159
2192		1837.8719	safer, safer neighborhood for	1839.5132
2194		1840.0474	U of R families.	1841.0165
2196		1841.4562	And in spite of that,	1842.5293
2198		1842.8035	it-	1842.9784
2200		1843.2195	it doesn't seem to be working.	1844.1225
2201	ROC_int_01	1844.9413	[I was] just gonna say that. I feel like, uh, I think two or three of the things that were in [there already] [closed.]	1850.5663
2202	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1844.9478	[<laugh>]	1845.1765
2203	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1849.4977	[Mm-hm.]	1849.8239
2204	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1850.2482	[Yup.]	1850.4373
2205	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1850.3226	[Mm-hm.]	1850.6157
2206		1850.8689	<ts> Yup.	1851.2140
2207	ROC_int_01	1851.7860	And I'm [just like],	1852.6322
2208	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1852.1465	[Yup.]	1852.3072
2209	ROC_int_01	1853.0530	this is not serving-	1854.4192
2211		1854.8825	I mean it's bad enough that you're just trying to serve	1857.3653
2213		1857.7718	the U of R community,	1858.9821
2215		1859.4501	but it's not even [serving them.]	1861.1529
2216	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1860.4627	[Right.]	1860.6447
2217	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1860.6730	[Mm-hm.]	1861.3136
2218	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1860.9425	[Right.]	1861.1245
2219		1861.3585	Right.	1861.5169
2221		1861.9884	But it- see-	1862.5368
2223		1863.0096	but it's i-	1863.3539
2225		1864.2557	in- in my- i- in my opinion,	1866.3641
2227		1868.4640	they- they didn't set up-	1870.0199
2229		1870.0967	they didn't set it up in a way where it's-	1871.8691
2231		1871.9826	cause-	1872.1989
2233		1872.5858	cause really	1873.2240
2235		1873.4084	I drive down that way, and- and often, the- it's like, you know,	1876.0605
2237		1876.1408	damn, I'd like to try that,	1877.2162
2239		1877.2859	but where am I parking?	1878.3230
2240	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1878.4837	Mm-hm.	1878.8950
2241	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1878.8975	Right, y- there's no place for you to go.	1880.5033
2243		1880.7113	I mean, I can't-	1881.2601
2245		1881.5886	I can't just pull over and park on the street.	1883.6545
2247		1884.1490	I'm- and I don't- I don't know	1885.5105
2249		1885.9478	if there's a parking lot	1886.9693
2251		1887.0946	back behind those buildings or not. I never tried.	1889.5529
2252	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1890.1041	Well and then you got the hospital, and you're already competing for a- a h- parking at the hospital.	1892.8862
2253	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1893.1726	You know,	1893.4941
2255		1893.5697	[it's just-] it just c-	1894.5719
2256	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1893.6052	[Yeah.]	1893.8274
2257	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1894.6594	it just-	1895.1314
2259		1895.3819	I- you know, it was r- you know,	1896.6489
2261		1898.9417	seemed like a good idea to somebody, but they didn't- I don't know that- well, from my	1902.8758
2263		1903.9490	observation,	1904.7054
2265		1905.1025	they didn't plan it out. I mean they didn't	1906.6068
2267		1906.6943	like go to the next level. Well, you know, how- Alright,	1908.9042
2269		1909.4417	so you got these really cool shops and stores	1911.7638
2271		1912.2129	and bakeries up in here,	1913.5791
2273		1914.5104	but how are you gonna- how are you gonna	1916.0705
2275		1916.9243	get people to stop. I mean I- you know, it just- it just-	1920.1417
2276	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1920.2410	Yeah.	1920.5246
2277	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	1921.3141	I don't get it.	1921.8294
2279		1922.1792	I mean,	1922.5574
2281		1922.7843	I don't get i- you know.	1923.6077
2282	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1926.2788	Um,	1926.7232
2284		1928.7032	uh, I don't know,	1929.5400
2286		1930.0123	y-	1930.1542
2288		1930.2511	you're a little bit younger than me.	1931.2263
2290		1931.8787	Um,	1932.3798
2292		1933.1518	b-	1933.3102
2294		1933.3917	I don't know if you were around when like Java's	1935.2652
2296		1935.4460	were ha-	1935.8220
2298		1935.8859	was having the open mic nights.	1937.6802
2299	ROC_int_01	1937.9484	Yeah.	1938.1375
2300	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1938.3077	Yeah.	1938.6341
2301	ROC_int_01	1938.6519	Mm-hm.	1938.9028
2302	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1939.2723	Um,	1939.7254
2304		1940.0429	<clears throat>	1940.3504
2306		1940.4887	that has always been like to me	1942.5300
2308		1943.0419	one of	1943.7901
2310		1943.8704	th- just like the epitome of	1945.4768
2312		1947.3526	what I want to see, I guess, you know. And that's what I want to see in black spaces.	1950.9580
2314		1951.4496	Um, I loved	1952.5147
2316		1952.7771	that. It was, um-	1953.9970
2318		1955.4237	they	1956.1009
2320		1956.4318	had like the different aspects of hip hop. So they	1958.8539
2322		1959.2616	would have DJ,	1960.3421
2324		1960.5855	um, like	1961.1601
2326		1961.3717	you know, spinning music.	1962.3255
2328		1962.4295	They would have emcees	1963.6257
2330		1963.7321	like rhyming and rapping over,	1965.3562
2332		1965.4746	um,	1965.7618
2334		1965.8457	the music.	1966.4827
2336		1966.7699	Then they had break dancers who like, in the summer, when it was outside,	1969.8396
2338		1970.2240	brought their own linoleum, and like l-	1971.8587
2340		1972.1388	laid it on the floor and were break dancing	1974.0820
2342		1974.1647	to all of this stuff, like	1975.1530
2344		1975.6364	and in the winter, they would continue it. I-	1977.4909
2346		1977.6129	I don't know if you have ever been in Java's,	1979.1459
2348		1979.5631	um, downtown, but like	1980.8173
2350		1981.1864	they have a tiny area where the bathroom is	1983.3396
2352		1983.8705	and they would	1984.2759
2354		1984.4792	do this like	1985.2748
2356		1985.6471	in this very tiny space.	1987.1790
2358		1988.0228	Breakers would be doing windmills when you're like, coming out of the [bathroom door.]	1991.0075
2359	ROC_int_01	1990.5391	[<laugh>] [No.] (laughing)	1991.9148
2360	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	1991.3800	[Like, it was amazing.]	1992.2995
2361		1992.7984	And, um,	1993.7203
2363		1994.1755	you know, that	1994.7251
2365		1995.2250	all fell apart, but like there was	1996.7581
2367		1997.2500	such beautiful art scene.	1999.0029
2369		1999.4815	Um,	1999.8408
2371		1999.9543	I d- have never- you know, I don't write. You know, I haven't g-	2002.5465
2373		2002.6683	I've never gotten involved	2003.8220
2375		2004.3964	in the arts, but like	2005.5288
2377		2005.9141	y- there was even- you know, we could just come and enjoy it, and like	2008.6931
2379		2009.2712	it- it was just a really beautiful thing. And that's the thi- that's what I've always wanted	2012.9543
2381		2013.6932	to like see in our spaces. Like the places where we can be creative and like	2017.0348
2383		2017.5690	share our arts, enjoy	2019.1754
2385		2019.3089	our arts, you know.	2020.3633
2387		2020.7782	And so that- that was what I like-	2022.2262
2389		2023.0726	I felt that that Boulder had the potential for.	2025.2226
2391		2025.3420	Um,	2025.7511
2393		2026.8562	and, uh-	2027.7180
2395		2027.8704	but yeah, I've never seen anything like that recreated	2029.9720
2397		2030.5336	and- and just any-	2031.3243
2399		2031.4058	you know, like	2031.8090
2401		2032.8077	w-	2033.0479
2403		2033.1578	like I said,	2033.6837
2405		2033.7759	I feel like we're never good enough to have	2035.6399
2407		2035.9460	those type of spaces created	2037.4472
2409		2037.6684	in our-	2038.2322
2411		2038.8704	in our homes, you know.	2039.9839
2412	ROC_int_01	2040.9922	So	2041.5489
2414		2041.9901	now if someone wanted to go to an event	2044.7400
2416		2044.8686	such as the ones like you described, where could	2047.2085
2418		2047.6564	they expect to go see those [sort of]	2049.5690
2419	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2049.0505	[Yeah.]	2049.4097
2420	ROC_int_01	2049.8305	shows?	2050.4072
2421	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2050.5519	Y- you know, I, um,	2051.5844
2423		2051.6837	y- I don't know if you know the radio station WAYO	2053.4945
2425		2053.5773	that just, um, started. It's a	2055.2084
2427		2055.3113	local, so	2055.9875
2429		2056.3350	it's a low frequency radio station. It only has like a four mile radius or something like that.	2060.5360
2431		2061.0028	Um,	2061.4342
2433		2061.6105	<clears throat>	2061.8150
2435		2061.9012	I'm trying to steer away from one-o-four (laughing) cause I just get very frustrated,	2064.9970
2437		2065.0927	um,	2065.4709
2439		2066.1306	you know, the community station that plays like, horrendous music that is detrimental to the community,	2070.5146
2441		2070.7748	and also like the critique of what's going on in the community is	2073.4685
2443		2073.5928	really lacking.	2074.2168
2444	ROC_int_01	2074.3105	Yes.	2074.8256
2445	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2074.8739	Um, so,	2075.8716
2447		2076.2935	um,	2076.8504
2449		2076.9946	you know, I've been trying to like,	2078.3173
2451		2078.6152	um, I-	2079.0714
2453		2079.1718	you know, I have WAYO as like	2080.0431
2455		2080.1329	the main radio station, my go-to	2081.6943
2457		2081.7924	when I get in the car.	2082.5691
2459		2083.0383	And, um, a friend of mine,	2084.3043
2461		2084.3776	uh,	2084.8173
2463		2085.0028	/RD-NAME-3/,	2085.6471
2465		2086.0584	um,	2086.4035
2467		2086.5879	he ra-	2086.9968
2469		2087.0739	i- raps.	2087.7227
2471		2087.7889	He's also a- a teacher, a- a educator in the school district. And, um,	2091.1434
2473		2092.0643	he was on,	2093.1507
2475		2093.4721	uh,	2093.7322
2477		2093.9094	one of the shows the other day.	2095.4035
2479		2095.8834	And, um, so /RD-NAME-2/ is a little bit younger than me. He's, I think, a year	2099.5383
2481		2099.6955	behind me,	2100.2534
2483		2100.3715	and,	2100.7807
2485		2101.8469	um,	2102.1495
2487		2102.2996	I'm thirty just for some context. Um, <laugh>	2104.6434
2489		2105.0476	but, um,	2105.7381
2491		2106.5727	so	2106.9781
2493		2107.5406	he was around, you know, like, in the hip hop scene, um, when I was,	2112.0607
2495		2112.4909	uh,	2112.8658
2497		2113.2759	you know, when I was enjoying it, and,	2114.5785
2499		2114.6518	um, you know, we were coming up around the same time.	2116.4236
2501		2116.8136	And he was being interviewed by a y- a young	2119.4248
2503		2119.5430	person	2120.0549
2505		2120.2429	who is like	2120.7038
2507		2120.9047	kind of	2121.2061
2509		2121.3656	currently I think he's-	2122.3326
2511		2122.4508	I think he was maybe twenty-two-ish. Um,	2124.6282
2513		2125.5335	and /RD-NAME-2/ asked that question. Like w- you know, what was it like? You know, for us, we-	2129.0134
2515		2129.0951	we-	2129.2783
2517		2129.3800	I feel like we had more spaces. Um,	2131.0927
2519		2131.4898	Dub Land Underground was a space where, um,	2133.6861
2521		2133.7641	people, you know, in-	2134.5619
2523		2134.6718	in the east end.	2135.5005
2525		2135.9437	That shut down,	2136.8800
2527		2137.0005	um,	2137.4567
2529		2137.6139	and I think has reopened. I don't know if it's the same or something else now. But	2140.5406
2531		2141.0276	he was asking like, what- where do you guys- where would you go? And	2143.5288
2533		2143.7486	so this y- this young guy was saying like, we had to go to open mics that were like	2147.7262
2535		2148.1884	pretty much poetry open mics, and we had to like go and prove ourselves	2151.5762
2537		2152.0218	there,	2152.6990
2539		2152.7924	um,	2153.2086
2541		2153.3859	not always successfully, were- weren't always accepted. Um,	2156.3599
2543		2157.1505	and, uh-	2158.0442
2545		2159.3741	but like hopefully prove ourselves enough	2161.1434
2547		2161.2771	that we could	2161.7049
2549		2161.8656	maybe build an audience, maybe	2163.7169
2551		2164.5123	try to use that space later on. And the-	2167.0147
2553		2167.0986	the guy didn't specify, but	2168.1944
2555		2168.5194	d- honestly I don't really- I don't know. I- I've seen, um, shows	2172.2014
2557		2172.7003	recently at like California Brew Haus, which I think is out	2175.2155
2559		2175.3077	like	2175.6873
2561		2176.3054	Ridge	2177.0287
2562	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2177.1468	[Mm-hm.]	2177.4605
2563	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2177.3457	[area],	2177.8409
2564		2177.9142	um, like deep.	2178.5761
2566		2179.2239	Um, s-	2179.8054
2568		2179.9708	so,	2180.6175
2570		2182.2097	you know, there's nothing	2183.0899
2572		2183.2180	really,	2183.6376
2574		2183.7310	um, there's not a lot going on,	2185.3054
2576		2185.4709	um, within	2186.3445
2578		2186.6364	the city, within like a,	2188.0785
2580		2188.3054	um-	2188.5903
2582		2188.9838	a g- definitely not within,	2190.3006
2584		2190.5360	you know, black neighborhoods.	2191.5867
2585	ROC_int_01	2191.7107	Mm-hm.	2192.2591
2587		2192.9059	Mm.	2193.2262
2589		2193.4423	<ts>	2193.5094
2591		2193.6301	Okay, and I guess, a more related question, but I think I kind of know the answer, is	2198.3064
2593		2198.6893	just	2199.1952
2595		2199.3795	w-	2199.6443
2597		2199.8381	what are there things t- what things are there to do,	2202.5761
2598	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2202.6990	Mm-hm.	2203.1056
2599	ROC_int_01	2203.2758	period. Right? Like what are the different scenes or activities	2206.9065
2601		2207.0483	people engage in here? What does Rochester	2209.5378
2603		2209.8167	have to offer that's	2211.0836
2605		2211.2267	for entertainment purposes I guess?	2213.1882
2606	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2213.7210	Yeah.	2214.0472
2608		2214.6397	So,	2215.0156
2610		2215.3276	um,	2215.9067
2612		2217.5263	there are	2218.6349
2614		2218.7436	some	2219.1336
2616		2219.2825	local like musicians, poets, um,	2221.6420
2618		2222.2258	that I'm interested in. And summers in Rochester like	2224.6822
2620		2225.3771	kind of	2225.9354
2622		2226.4246	can make you forget	2227.3891
2624		2228.4598	when you hate Rochester, [you know.] (laughing)	2230.0038
2625	ROC_int_01	2229.6256	[<laugh>]	2230.1220
2626	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2230.5214	Um,	2231.0580
2628		2231.3062	so there's like- yesterday, I don't know what it is. There's that, um,	2235.2899
2630		2235.7934	party in the park that's on Thursdays,	2237.8101
2632		2238.4128	um,	2239.0061
2633	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2239.6089	Yeah, downtown.	2240.2920
2634	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2240.4409	yeah.	2241.0204
2636		2241.4483	So it's like in the MLK park now,	2243.4267
2638		2243.6092	and, um,	2244.4341
2640		2245.2732	it-	2245.7767
2642		2245.9871	there was something in that same space yesterday.	2248.2070
2644		2248.5049	Um, Suburban Plaza was playing,	2249.9637
2646		2250.5688	um, and you know, like, Danielle Ponder, stuff like that. So those are like things locally to look forward to. Um,	2255.8668
2648		2258.0434	/?/	2258.3673
2650		2258.4646	and at the same time, it's like	2259.8109
2652		2259.8865	there used to be, um,	2261.6726
2654		2263.4328	you know, like	2263.8464
2656		2264.0781	space for the up and coming. And I don't- I don't what that space is. But,	2266.9150
2658		2267.5248	um,	2268.4159
2660		2268.5010	what was I gonna say?	2269.3439
2662		2272.6370	And I- I d- yeah, just like on a	2274.3866
2664		2276.5026	outside of like music and stuff. Oh, Tajze's is a place, um, you know, black owned, that does like open mic nights.	2281.8474
2666		2282.3532	Um, and I know that they are like other- there are like comedy open mics that like Joelle James and Yolanda Smilez, Uncle Trent,	2287.6961
2668		2287.8970	um,	2288.3651
2670		2289.5119	are involved with.	2290.6041
2672		2291.2776	Uh, but,	2292.0555
2674		2292.7010	um,	2293.2494
2676		2295.1904	I feel a little detached from like the black arts,	2297.8288
2678		2297.9919	um,	2298.3913
2680		2298.6230	you know, locally and- and where that is now.	2300.3036
2681	ROC_int_01	2301.8344	Okay.	2302.1785
2682	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2303.3036	D- w- can you think of any-	2304.4899
2683	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2304.9036	Well I- I was thinking	2305.9709
2685		2306.7841	a- I mean just in terms of like entertainment	2308.9587
2687		2309.8097	like the-	2310.3809
2689		2310.4755	the-	2310.6007
2691		2310.8702	the sports teams that are here, like the	2312.9751
2693		2313.1453	soccer [teams and the]	2314.3414
2694	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2313.8781	[Yeah.]	2314.2515
2695	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2314.7148	hockey teams.	2315.6470
2697		2316.4837	Um,	2316.7910
2699		2318.1951	um,	2318.7151
2701		2320.4170	in the summer, like you were saying, that i- that number of festivals that are-	2323.4907
2703		2323.6892	[that] happen	2324.4578
2704	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2323.7602	[Yeah.]	2324.0674
2705	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2324.7934	in the- in the summer here,	2326.1833
2707		2327.6536	um,	2327.9892
2709		2328.3343	you know,	2328.7173
2711		2328.9347	every now and then, like a	2330.3963
2713		2331.0015	big name	2331.5815
2715		2331.6772	act	2331.9139
2717		2332.2696	comes to town.	2333.1111
2719		2334.0428	Um,	2334.3147
2721		2335.6525	but	2335.8440
2723		2338.0309	yeah,	2338.2034
2725		2338.2838	really I mean there's-	2339.0851
2727		2339.2033	there-	2339.3664
2729		2339.6514	not a great deal	2340.4504
2731		2340.7198	to-	2340.9798
2733		2341.4861	to do. I- I-	2342.3678
2735		2342.4410	you know, the-	2342.8405
2737		2343.3156	the pace is	2344.0181
2739		2344.1434	slower here than it is in	2345.5190
2741		2345.5947	New York.	2346.1667
2743		2347.0275	There-	2347.2544
2745		2347.3915	I don't know what it's like in California, but,	2349.2116
2747		2349.7435	um,	2350.0724
2749		2351.1810	i-	2351.2827
2751		2351.3749	it's,	2351.7389
2753		2352.0225	you know,	2352.4338
2755		2352.5331	it's- it's a little slower	2353.9210
2757		2355.0710	here. And it- I was-	2356.1205
2759		2356.5422	when I was listening to you talking about,	2358.3357
2761		2360.7901	you know,	2361.0588
2763		2361.1923	coffee houses that used to do	2362.8040
2765		2362.9823	like things that,	2363.7954
2767		2366.0276	you know-	2366.4003
2769		2367.4648	that	2367.6444
2771		2367.9990	you liked and that	2369.0626
2773		2369.2376	they	2369.4787
2775		2370.2256	went away. I- it just seems- it just seems that	2372.7462
2777		2373.6018	like businesses are	2374.6135
2779		2375.4408	changing. I mean,	2376.4951
2781		2376.6889	you know, Java Joe's did it	2378.1836
2783		2378.5949	for a while,	2379.3324
2785		2379.6869	and now they don't. I mean things-	2381.0957
2787		2381.5685	things are changing. I- you know, you know, I just-	2383.7156
2789		2385.7153	you know, I- I'd like to think that if you build it, people will come, but that's not always true.	2389.6399
2791		2390.5665	Right.	2390.8313
2792	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2391.0866	Well yeah. You made me think	2392.0273
2794		2392.4374	of Rhino Stadium,	2393.6319
2796		2393.7099	that they put that [right] in the [hood.]	2395.2217
2797	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2394.5287	[Yeah.]	2394.6552
2799		2395.1957	[Right.]	2395.3588
2800		2395.8255	[Right.]	2396.0420
2801	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2395.9598	[Um],	2396.3380
2802		2396.5464	but	2396.7166
2804		2397.0594	not for the people [there.]	2398.5911
2805	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2398.3287	[No],	2398.5012
2806		2398.5934	not-	2398.7400
2808		2398.9598	but yeah, because, uh, and I- and I-	2400.5416
2810		2400.6834	by and large	2401.3476
2812		2402.1064	n-	2402.2671
2814		2402.4992	black people are not	2403.2981
2816		2403.5463	soccer fans. [I mean-]	2404.8204
2817	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2404.3996	[Right.]	2404.7802
2818		2405.5157	You know, I went to,	2406.8820
2820		2408.0402	um, I don't remember what that thing that	2409.6598
2822		2410.1041	one-o-four would do, but, you know, big concert.	2412.3667
2824		2412.8630	And for a while they were getting really good,	2414.8774
2826		2415.1586	um, pretty decent acts.	2416.2011
2828		2416.4516	And it would be like a two day, you know, like a f- all weekend thing.	2418.4730
2830		2418.9718	And I went one year where the headliner was The Roots.	2421.8205
2832		2422.3854	The [Roots.]	2423.4964
2833	ROC_int_01	2423.2186	[I went] to that.	2423.9798
2834	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2424.0270	The Roots.	2424.8354
2835	ROC_int_01	2424.9952	[Yes.]	2425.4774
2836	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2425.3563	[And] I don't know if you noticed this-	2427.1669
2837		2427.4506	they were the headliner, so they were the last ones to go.	2429.5535
2839		2429.6244	And,	2430.1027
2841		2430.5565	um,	2431.1049
2843		2432.6185	at,	2433.2709
2845		2433.6160	um-	2434.0888
2847		2435.0532	at one point, like maybe halfway through their set,	2437.5785
2849		2438.0560	they opened up the gates,	2439.2331
2851		2439.6822	and they were like,	2440.6332
2853		2440.7278	w-	2440.7833
2855		2440.9133	you know, whether you paid or not, you can come in.	2442.6416
2857		2443.1583	Black people w-	2444.1983
2859		2444.5576	were like	2444.9752
2861		2445.1265	coming up	2445.7214
2863		2446.3608	and like	2446.8667
2865		2447.1999	turning away like, nah,	2448.4929
2867		2448.5614	but that's not me,	2449.2341
2869		2449.3902	like that's not my music.	2450.3286
2871		2451.1279	And-	2451.3359
2873		2451.5250	and like	2451.8489
2875		2451.9670	choosing not to come into a- (laughing)	2453.8065
2877		2454.2272	a free [Roots show] [like]	2455.6053
2878	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2454.7748	[a free-]	2455.3043
2880		2455.5028	[yeah.]	2455.8101
2881	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2456.2766	crazy.	2456.8655
2883		2457.2272	Um,	2457.7323
2885		2457.8062	so- I mean there's,	2458.7140
2887		2459.5039	you know-	2459.8561
2889		2460.3785	and that's an- a thing that frustrates me with one-o-four is like that we're pumping this like	2464.3003
2891		2464.5580	bullshit,	2465.1489
2893		2465.3758	um,	2465.7355
2895		2465.9223	that	2466.1846
2897		2466.5558	is like harmful	2467.7163
2899		2467.9149	to us as a people.	2468.8655
2901		2469.4848	Um, and then	2470.2814
2903		2470.5273	w-	2470.7045
2905		2470.8440	when like music	2472.0026
2907		2472.8370	that	2473.1585
2909		2473.2696	could be like inspirational and like,	2475.1137
2911		2475.3761	uh,	2475.6787
2913		2476.0096	you know positive f- and uplifting to us,	2478.4872
2915		2479.3878	people don't even want it for free. Like	2481.0499
2917		2481.5038	it's crazy.	2482.0545
2918	ROC_int_01	2482.7270	Yeah.	2483.0674
2920		2483.6125	[Yeah], I- I was seventeen or eighteen when that concert came out and I just remembered l-	2488.2918
2921	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2483.6740	[Yeah, but-]	2483.9458
2922	ROC_int_01	2488.8118	thinking like,	2489.6438
2924		2490.0126	why is this concert like so small? The crowd was-	2493.0051
2926		2493.8758	I don't e-	2494.3580
2928		2494.4762	like	2494.8969
2930		2494.9599	a- yeah.	2495.6294
2931	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2495.9207	Yeah.	2496.1949
2932	ROC_int_01	2496.1981	I don't even know what	2497.2855
2934		2497.5556	kind of number I could put at it, but it was small in comparison to	2500.6667
2936		2500.7628	how large that stadium was, yeah.	2503.3569
2937	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2504.0329	I will be attending that, um,	2506.0575
2939		2506.1650	DMX, Uncle Luke,	2507.2626
2941		2507.4186	Juvenile,	2508.1324
2943		2508.8037	um,	2509.2859
2945		2510.0465	which is like	2510.6374
2947		2511.3277	the r- most ratchet	2512.6277
2949		2512.9114	mu- but I mean	2513.8285
2951		2514.0176	I love that shit.	2515.0017
2952	ROC_int_01	2515.1118	[Yeah.]	2515.3198
2953	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2515.2381	[And] it's a problem. You know, like,	2516.6869
2954		2516.9682	but at the same time, I also can be conscious like	2519.1007
2956		2519.1574	this is	2519.8476
2958		2520.2258	horrendous. The message	2521.4625
2960		2521.5712	i-	2521.6256
2962		2521.8596	in this music is horrendous. Um,	2523.3794
2964		2523.8546	and I love	2525.1503
2966		2525.3276	dancing to black music, especially music that I like grew up on.	2527.9494
2968		2528.7554	Um,	2529.2305
2970		2529.4031	but yeah, so I'm interested in seeing,	2530.8217
2972		2531.1669	you know, what that crowd is looking like. It- it's at	2532.8341
2973	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2532.6383	[Well],	2532.8069
2974	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2532.9345	Rhino [Stadium.]	2533.6894
2975	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2533.5712	[can] you call what you do dancing?	2535.2093
2976	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2536.7298	[Mm.]	2537.1552
2977	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2537.0573	[<laugh>]	2537.6044
2978	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2537.7001	<laugh> Oh, you think you're [funny.]	2539.1420
2979	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2538.9895	[<laugh>]	2539.6041
2980	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2539.4587	[<laugh>]	2541.4005
2981		2542.2826	Um,	2542.7648
2983		2543.7481	yeah and the other thing from what you were saying is, um,	2546.4294
2985		2547.5723	you know, a lot of what we have	2548.7731
2987		2548.9031	is	2549.2364
2989		2549.6741	in the summer,	2550.4659
2991		2550.5321	and, uh, it's like h- people kind of	2552.2628
2993		2552.3833	hermit a little bit	2553.3194
2995		2553.4257	in the colder	2554.2081
2997		2554.3878	times.	2554.8298
2999		2555.7994	And	2556.4754
3001		2556.9198	another thing that c- I was thinking was, um, I went to Mendon Ponds today,	2560.0829
3003		2560.2743	and	2560.6029
3005		2561.4377	I- I play rugby, so I've been there to like	2563.2980
3007		2563.6998	play rugby. I've been there for picnics and stuff.	2565.4234
3009		2565.9292	But I like actually went	2567.1253
3011		2567.3073	in the trails around the pond, and it was beautiful.	2569.4280
3013		2569.5320	And	2569.9173
3015		2570.7308	we have so much beautiful green space	2573.4775
3017		2573.5984	very close to us, and	2575.0261
3019		2575.3192	even that is	2576.3664
3021		2576.6623	somewhat inaccessible. You know, like there's no buses	2578.7896
3023		2578.9054	going	2579.3546
3025		2579.5677	out to Mendon Ponds.	2580.7401
3027		2580.8654	Um,	2581.2861
3029		2582.4566	but yeah, you know, that was another thing that I was thinking about.	2584.0510
3030	ROC_int_01	2584.6844	Yeah.	2585.0295
3031	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2585.7521	And- and, you know, I mean,	2586.8985
3033		2587.0923	<clears throat>	2587.5083
3035		2589.0015	um,	2589.3844
3037		2590.4717	uh, we-	2591.0587
3039		2591.1509	we have a-	2591.7359
3041		2591.9179	you know, like a river that goes through the city.	2594.1794
3043		2594.8137	We ha- we have a-	2595.6269
3045		2595.8585	a l-	2596.1481
3047		2596.2474	a l-	2596.4861
3049		2596.6185	lake	2597.1349
3051		2597.4080	a- and, [you know-]	2598.1324
3052	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2597.7448	[Yeah.]	2598.0154
3053	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2598.3263	and,	2598.6146
3055		2598.8226	you know, there are-	2599.4335
3057		2599.5375	there are things	2600.3071
3059		2601.8085	that are attractive, like, you know, like-	2603.7278
3061		2604.1021	like you were saying,	2604.7782
3063		2604.9483	Mendon.	2605.3171
3065		2606.2767	E-	2606.4436
3067		2606.5415	There are	2606.8488
3069		2606.9812	things that	2607.5485
3071		2609.2551	you-	2609.5009
3073		2610.1305	you can do, but	2611.0854
3075		2611.6386	you gotta have	2612.1349
3077		2612.5557	mobility. Y- y- I'm- you know,	2614.3899
3078	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2615.3733	And [time] and	2616.4622
3079	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2615.5640	[I mean y-]	2616.0745
3080		2616.6816	y- [you can take] [the bus], but I mean	2618.3447
3081	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2616.9672	[yeah],	2617.3218
3083		2617.4423	[h-]	2617.5309
3084	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2618.7715	even i-	2619.2372
3086		2619.8376	even when I	2620.5660
3088		2620.9442	didn't have a	2621.6179
3090		2621.7053	car,	2622.4003
3092		2623.0515	the thought of	2623.8079
3094		2623.9355	like, well, yeah, maybe I'll go to the lake. But then	2626.2737
3096		2626.8646	at the same time, I'm thinking, yeah, but to get there I gotta do downtown. I gotta get another bus. I gotta, you know- I gotta lug a-	2632.9733
3098		2633.6427	you know, a	2633.9925
3100		2634.2620	bag of crap.	2635.2690
3101	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2635.5573	Yeah.	2635.8410
3102	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2635.8930	You know,	2636.2397
3104		2636.3744	I mean, it's,	2636.8621
3106		2638.2264	um-	2638.5337
3108		2639.5217	but at the same time, when-	2640.7943
3110		2641.6830	when	2642.0264
3112		2642.1008	we were kids,	2643.1249
3114		2643.8908	y-	2644.0326
3116		2644.1642	you know, I-	2644.5471
3118		2644.6393	I lived over on the-	2645.6392
3120		2645.7384	on the east side	2646.6579
3122		2647.7133	over by Central Park.	2648.9378
3124		2650.2008	We would walk. We walked.	2651.7278
3126		2651.8235	We-	2652.0150
3128		2652.2655	we walked everywhere. Uh, you know, we walked to Seneca Park Zoo.	2656.0042
3130		2656.2595	That- I mean, that's a hike.	2657.1814
3131	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2657.5990	Yeah.	2657.8424
3132	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2657.9299	Right.	2658.1639
3134		2658.4972	/Were-/ but we-	2659.1803
3136		2659.5459	we did it. W- you know,	2660.6226
3138		2660.7361	we weren't-	2661.2667
3140		2661.4086	we weren't held back by,	2662.7606
3142		2664.8983	you know,	2665.2717
3144		2665.4325	um,	2665.7587
3146		2667.6071	you know,	2667.9097
3148		2668.7984	like the	2669.3279
3150		2669.6967	energy that you had to put out in order to,	2671.6547
3152		2672.8318	you know- to get to where you wanted to go.	2674.8410
3154		2675.7203	But it's-	2676.1316
3156		2676.3404	it's different now.	2677.0594
3158		2677.1598	I mean,	2677.4703
3160		2679.7489	y- you know, I-	2680.6330
3162		2681.2192	our grandson, I mean, he-	2682.5429
3164		2682.6713	like he comes over and he spends time with us at least once	2685.2478
3166		2685.7475	a week,	2686.4094
3168		2686.9444	i- i- um,	2687.8379
3170		2688.5423	but- but his focus is like-	2690.2347
3172		2690.9391	like	2691.2512
3174		2692.6797	digital.	2693.3321
3175	ROC_int_01	2693.4361	[Mm-hm.]	2693.9041
3176	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2693.7576	[Yeah.]	2694.1027
3177	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2693.8096	[Right.]	2694.1499
3178		2694.3769	And-	2694.6552
3180		2694.7214	and,	2695.1758
3182		2696.0173	y- you know, I mean,	2697.0526
3184		2697.4119	you know, we do stuff. We- we- we have board games. He likes playing Monopoly,	2701.0913
3186		2701.1705	right.	2701.5540
3188		2702.1875	And we do that with him,	2703.3126
3190		2704.6797	but the-	2705.2328
3192		2706.3674	the imagination	2707.5682
3194		2708.1922	o-	2708.4806
3196		2708.5893	of	2708.8013
3198		2708.9218	children is really not sparked like it used to be like when,	2712.2275
3200		2712.7050	you know, I didn't have a box in front of me that I could play with.	2715.7314
3202		2715.9016	Maybe I- you know, if I had,	2717.2631
3204		2717.5751	maybe I would've done it.	2718.7144
3206		2719.0028	But i-	2719.2534
3208		2719.6419	I had to use my imagination, like, you know, cause I didn't- you know, I didn't come from a-	2723.7122
3210		2724.3410	a family that had like a lot of money, and so,	2726.5354
3212		2727.0412	you know, we were shooting each other with sticks and,	2729.2489
3213	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2729.4054	/<laugh>/	2729.6890
3214	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2729.9817	you know,	2730.2890
3216		2730.5537	y- you know, we-	2731.6410
3218		2731.7390	we-	2731.8982
3220		2734.5384	you know, what little TV that we did see,	2737.0023
3222		2737.4183	cause I d- I think	2738.2361
3224		2738.4489	I-	2738.6663
3226		2738.8034	there was like only	2739.3896
3228		2739.7442	two or three s- local stations. You didn't have,	2742.0379
3230		2742.8084	you know, like a thousand stations like d- like they do now.	2745.3896
3232		2746.8552	Y- you know, w- y- you know, we'd-	2748.2317
3234		2748.3483	we	2748.6627
3236		2748.8659	took what we saw on TV and used our imagination and	2752.1366
3238		2752.3257	play.	2752.7228
3240		2753.4981	And,	2753.7770
3242		2754.1986	you know,	2754.5153
3244		2755.5601	w-	2755.7681
3246		2756.0329	I don't think we	2756.5860
3248		2756.8743	do a lot of that	2757.5078
3250		2757.6686	anymore.	2758.3020
3251	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2759.9961	Yeah, and even with	2760.8730
3253		2761.2067	/RD-NAME-3/, he	2762.2870
3255		2763.0717	I think	2763.5208
3257		2763.8021	spends more outside time	2765.5210
3259		2765.6108	than a lot of [kids]	2766.5078
3260	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2766.4086	[Yeah.]	2766.6024
3261	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2766.7028	that I [know, and] still, you know,	2768.1002
3262	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2767.0314	[Yeah	2767.2351
3263	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2768.3791	uh,	2768.7172
3265		2768.8873	it's very [different.]	2769.4996
3266	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2769.3743	[He] does spend a lot of- he does spend a lot of time outside.	2771.6864
3267		2771.8968	I mean, [even-]	2772.3837
3268	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2772.1994	[And-]	2772.4428
3269	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2772.6745	even when he-	2773.0598
3271		2773.3084	I mean,	2773.6653
3273		2774.2633	cause he makes friends pretty easy	2775.7005
3274	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2775.7170	Yeah.	2776.0456
3275	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2777.3752	even here.	2777.8755
3277		2777.9630	I mean,	2778.3837
3279		2779.4013	he connects with people.	2780.4934
3280	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2780.7101	I also	2781.2939
3282		2782.1760	see	2782.9655
3284		2783.2728	his openness to things	2784.4003
3286		2784.5421	dwindling. You know, like,	2785.4407
3288		2786.2562	his tastes	2787.4736
3290		2787.6721	in food, and	2788.6440
3291	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2788.9608	[Mm-hm.]	2789.2255
3292	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2789.0057	[I feel like] a lot of that is just like a lot of outside [influence] stuff, [but]	2791.7835
3293	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2790.9818	[Yeah.]	2791.3096
3295		2791.6818	[Yeah.]	2791.8993
3296	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2792.5824	I can't- you know, it [happens.]	2793.5208
3297	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2793.0718	[Yeah.]	2793.2804
3298		2794.0909	Yeah, my-	2794.4809
3300		2795.4241	my-	2795.6321
3302		2795.9795	my sisters call me	2797.0574
3304		2797.6133	bougie	2798.0979
3306		2798.4193	cause	2798.8141
3308		2799.7804	w- you know,	2800.2247
3310		2800.3477	we-	2800.4942
3312		2800.6880	we do stuff, and, you know, (laughing)	2801.8557
3314		2802.4589	as much as they call me bougie, they're also bougie.	2804.8402
3316		2804.9182	[The- they- we come from a] really bougie fam- you know.	2807.2601
3317	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2804.9814	[<laugh>]	2805.8655
3318		2807.2668	[<laugh>]	2808.9695
3319	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2807.9124	[We are.]	2808.3332
3320	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2809.8582	What-	2810.1750
3322		2810.4708	what's an example of our-	2811.5014
3324		2811.6385	our bougieness?	2812.4233
3325	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2812.8299	Um,	2813.1371
3327		2814.0874	cruising.	2814.6310
3328	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2815.3268	Mm.	2815.6010
3329	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2815.7523	Right.	2815.9745
3331		2816.2912	Vaca- you know,	2817.0346
3333		2817.1173	I mean,	2817.4447
3335		2817.8276	when I was- when I was	2818.9055
3337		2819.5532	young, I mean,	2820.5176
3339		2821.0857	l- l- l-	2821.6672
3341		2822.7734	probably the farthest I ever went with my mom and dad, cause they didn't have a car. They didn't have a car.	2827.2464
3343		2827.7712	We depended on	2828.6930
3345		2829.0476	like aunts and uncles.	2830.0924
3347		2830.8299	The farthest we ever went probably as a family was to Letchworth State Park for a picnic,	2835.3596
3349		2836.0120	you know.	2836.3228
3351		2836.4410	A- you know,	2836.9496
3353		2837.1056	and	2837.4035
3355		2837.5524	a- that was exciting. I mean, that was /really/ pretty-	2839.5521
3357		2839.8346	that was pretty cool.	2840.5579
3359		2841.7926	It-	2841.9281
3361		2842.0557	you know,	2842.4450
3363		2842.9839	and I- and,	2843.5796
3365		2843.9341	you know, like now	2844.7236
3367		2845.5131	if-	2845.8346
3369		2846.1608	if I wanna- if I wanna go to Toronto, I can go to Toronto. [If I-]	2849.6257
3370	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2849.2439	[Mm.]	2849.5701
3371	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2849.7462	if I wanna go to New York, I go to N- you know. I-	2851.8850
3373		2851.9571	like there's-	2852.3404
3375		2852.9280	there's really very	2853.6769
3377		2853.7396	little that	2854.5117
3379		2854.9128	like holds me	2855.7496
3381		2855.9623	back,	2856.3901
3383		2856.6955	[right.]	2856.8964
3384	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2856.8349	[Yeah.]	2857.2249
3385		2858.3477	Um,	2858.7401
3387		2859.2842	I wanna make sure we don't	2860.0240
3389		2860.1753	end this without me saying some things about	2861.9576
3391		2862.0643	m-	2862.1943
3393		2862.2615	this guy.	2862.6090
3395		2863.0321	Um,	2863.4197
3397		2863.7369	he, uh,	2864.7037
3399		2865.5641	went to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ when /RD-SCHOOL-1/ was very white.	2868.0401
3401		2868.3088	Um, so	2869.0037
3403		2869.3504	when he was in that neighborhood it was very Italian.	2871.6208
3405		2871.7863	A l- um, if you look at those yearbooks from like	2874.1291
3407		2874.3135	back then,	2874.7579
3409		2875.2803	he was	2875.9800
3411		2876.1647	class president.	2876.7746
3413		2877.1622	Um,	2877.5050
3414	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2878.2259	Yeah.	2878.3843
3415	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2878.9851	Right?	2879.2081
3416	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2879.5673	School president actually.	2880.6208
3417	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2880.6421	[School.]	2881.0534
3418	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2880.7083	[Student] body,	2881.3394
3419	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2881.4788	[Excuse] me.	2882.3501
3420	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2881.7199	[you know.]	2881.9748
3421	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2882.5406	[<laugh> Let me get that right.]	2884.5734
3422	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2882.8573	[Yeah.]	2883.0795
3423	ROC_int_01	2883.4790	[<laugh>]	2884.4528
3424	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2885.0501	<laugh>	2885.3810
3426		2885.7025	Um, and also, um,	2887.1066
3428		2887.7365	he's a drug and alcohol counselor,	2889.7366
3430		2889.8903	and like has worked his way,	2891.7651
3432		2891.8786	um, up in his position.	2893.1314
3434		2893.7960	I gonna keep going if you're not gonna jump in.	2895.2544
3436		2895.6137	Um, he, you know, like he, uh,	2897.8077
3438		2899.3524	now runs drug court	2901.0848
3440		2901.1782	in /RD-WORK-1/ County and /RD-WORK-3/ County.	2902.9433
3442		2903.2648	But	2903.5532
3444		2904.2292	I'm	2904.4750
3446		2904.5837	gonna say- this is without a college education. You know, has like worked his way up in these	2908.4942
3447	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2908.6380	[Right.]	2908.8649
3448	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2908.7495	[positions.]	2909.3451
3449	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2909.4092	Right. I mean there are times,	2910.4634
3451		2911.3880	y- you know, I-	2911.9341
3453		2912.2106	I almost have to pinch myself because I'm	2913.9744
3455		2914.3857	like the-	2914.6835
3457		2914.8017	I'm in a position,	2915.8157
3459		2916.8810	<laugh>	2917.1647
3461		2917.3774	y- you know- I'm in a position	2918.6964
3463		2919.4480	that-	2919.6750
3465		2919.8404	/that/	2920.0069
3467		2920.1227	you know, mostly	2921.0365
3469		2921.3371	held by	2922.1691
3471		2922.7459	you know, social workers and	2924.1216
3473		2925.4603	college-	2926.0559
3475		2926.3538	you know, college people.	2927.3844
3477		2928.0017	And- and it-	2928.6789
3479		2928.8042	it's- you know, there are times I,	2930.1303
3481		2930.2981	you know,	2930.6396
3483		2931.1549	like I-	2931.4087
3485		2931.4938	I say to myself, like, you know, like,	2932.7199
3487		2932.8079	/??/ yo, what the-	2933.6456
3489		2933.8134	what the fuck? I mean,	2934.6608
3491		2935.1004	what am I doing? I- you know, like, what am I doing here?	2937.1577
3493		2937.3468	And I- you know I- recently, I heard,	2938.9163
3495		2941.3557	you know, somebody-	2942.5014
3497		2943.0923	there was a	2943.7144
3499		2944.5795	treatment program out in /RD-WORK-1/ County,	2946.4469
3501		2947.0768	and the-	2947.4834
3503		2947.7481	the woman who was running it was like a-	2950.0228
3505		2951.0440	she just had a-	2951.7720
3507		2952.8073	she- I- I say she just had a-	2954.5138
3509		2954.5999	a-	2954.7606
3511		2955.0206	a bachelor's degree.	2956.2829
3513		2957.0771	And, uh,	2957.6869
3515		2958.3109	somebody on the t- on my team was saying,	2960.2161
3517		2961.2523	well, how do you get to manage-	2962.9258
3519		2963.3844	how do you get to manage an- a- an outpatient clinic	2966.0128
3521		2966.6330	with just a	2967.0963
3523		2967.4225	bachelor's degree?	2968.4294
3525		2968.7698	And I'm like sitting there (laughing)	2969.7058
3527		2970.2920	because I had managed that same program without a degree.	2973.1672
3529		2973.4697	Like,	2973.6257
3530	ROC_int_01	2973.8007	Mm.	2974.0512
3531	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2974.0938	you know,	2974.3680
3533		2974.5098	like fourteen years ago. I- you know, I- you know, it's like	2976.8877
3535		2977.5212	well, you know, the- the answer to that question is	2979.3988
3537		2979.7581	i- y-	2980.0418
3539		2980.6327	you know, you-	2981.1421
3541		2981.2508	you know your shit, you t- you know, you-	2982.9255
3543		2983.3301	you n- you know, you know what you're doing.	2984.9989
3545		2986.3037	Um,	2986.6063
3547		2986.8568	but	2987.1263
3549		2987.4675	it- you know, it- it's- is- th- they're really-	2989.2403
3551		2989.6611	and I- and, you know, /RD-WORK-1/ County is not-	2991.4244
3553		2991.9397	I mean, a lot of black people in /RD-WORK-1/ County,	2993.6330
3555		2995.2167	but they're-	2995.5571
3557		2995.7509	you know- they're not in	2996.5215
3559		2996.7957	positions. They're [not-]	2997.8357
3560	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	2997.6797	[Yeah.]	2997.9255
3561	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	2998.7367	they're-	2998.9447
3563		2999.2142	they're not in positions. They're,	3000.6702
3565		3001.1903	you know-	3001.5874
3567		3001.8596	i- it's really-	3002.6586
3569		3003.0604	it's really very-	3003.6702
3571		3004.3179	it's sad,	3004.7765
3573		3005.5053	you know.	3005.9261
3575		3006.2995	But	3006.5217
3577		3006.8716	i- /RD-WORK-1/ County is also not	3008.3655
3579		3008.9706	a big industrial kind of a	3010.6860
3581		3010.7616	community either.	3011.5242
3583		3011.7701	It's mostly service work.	3013.0512
3585		3014.1905	So-	3014.4647
3587		3015.4922	but	3015.6182
3589		3015.7711	yeah,	3015.9295
3591		3016.0075	thanks.	3016.3360
3593		3016.4400	[Thanks.]	3016.6953
3594	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	3016.6173	[<laugh>]	3018.0119
3595	ROC_int_01	3016.9766	[<laugh>]	3017.6219
3596		3018.3074	How'd you get into the profession?	3019.9672
3597	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	3020.5463	I, uh-	3021.1230
3599		3022.2876	when I, uh-	3022.9400
3601		3024.1124	when I was going to /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High,	3025.5523
3603		3026.0676	I was- I, uh-	3027.0935
3605		3028.2139	I graduated in nineteen seventy and,	3030.1577
3607		3030.5785	um,	3031.0276
3609		3032.6727	in my junior year,	3033.9161
3611		3034.7386	you know,	3035.0837
3613		3036.3468	the-	3036.6163
3615		3037.1032	the black community was kicking /RD-WORK-2/'s ass, right.	3039.4622
3617		3039.8404	The- right, they-	3040.4030
3619		3040.9372	because /RD-WORK-2/, i-	3041.9119
3621		3042.0127	you know, didn't have	3042.8479
3623		3043.5037	black people	3044.0631
3625		3044.2120	working for 'em.	3044.8604
3627		3045.4873	And so	3046.0581
3629		3046.1503	/RD-WORK-2/ hired	3047.0190
3631		3047.9895	a-	3048.1077
3633		3048.4291	this black human resource	3050.0412
3635		3050.4297	guy,	3050.7947
3637		3050.8506	manager.	3051.4603
3639		3051.6305	And he was	3052.4720
3641		3052.8596	going around to the high schools	3054.6135
3643		3055.1524	cause b- and se-	3055.8844
3645		3055.9861	back	3056.2776
3647		3056.5581	in nineteen seventy,	3057.8196
3649		3059.1480	/RD-SCHOOL-1/ High was changing. It was like-	3061.1524
3651		3061.4597	i- it was,	3062.2398
3653		3062.3635	you know-	3062.6661
3655		3062.8032	it was-	3063.2467
3657		3063.3472	it was becoming more	3064.3869
3659		3065.1040	b- of a bl-	3065.6942
3661		3065.7746	you know,	3066.2859
3663		3066.5913	m- way more black people were in /RD-SCHOOL-1/ High School.	3069.1914
3664	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	3069.4325	The neighborhood too.	3070.2039
3665	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	3070.3599	Yeah.	3070.7475
3667		3071.0312	Yeah.	3071.2817
3669		3071.7734	Yeah.	3072.0192
3671		3073.0924	And j- and so-	3073.9291
3673		3074.3357	so they sent this guy, this recruiter out to	3077.2108
3675		3077.3763	talk with	3077.8443
3677		3078.9553	students. And I- I was interested in-	3080.9786
3679		3081.4845	I liked science. And so,	3082.9177
3681		3083.8916	um,	3084.2745
3683		3085.9575	they sent this recruiter,	3087.0779
3685		3087.6499	and I talked with him,	3088.6435
3687		3088.8846	and he said, well when you graduate, you know, give me a call. And so I- I called him.	3092.6950
3689		3092.8415	So this is like a really long story.	3094.2161
3691		3094.3177	But-	3094.5159
3692	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	3094.6297	[<laugh>]	3095.3459
3693	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	3095.0268	[so I-]	3095.3720
3694		3095.9977	so I called him, and- and, uh,	3097.6563
3696		3097.8023	and I got hired. I got hired (laughing)	3099.5331
3698		3100.1741	with a high school diploma	3101.5735
3700		3101.9517	in /RD-WORK-2/'s research division.	3103.7395
3702		3104.2500	I was like-	3104.7842
3704		3105.0584	I was running exper- <laugh>	3106.0087
3706		3106.2025	you- it's like, what the fu- (laughing)	3107.1149
3707	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	3107.5073	[<laugh>]	3108.2069
3708	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	3107.7011	[You know],	3107.9788
3710		3108.1396	[okay], okay.	3108.7222
3711		3108.8735	So-	3109.1666
3713		3109.6252	so I got hired at- at- at /RD-WORK-2/. I was working in the research division.	3113.1433
3715		3113.7673	And I, uh-	3114.8121
3717		3118.2592	I quit	3118.8135
3719		3118.8986	after five years because I, um-	3121.1146
3721		3122.6897	<laugh>	3123.0206
3723		3123.1766	I, you know-	3123.6967
3725		3124.1316	I quit because I didn't-	3125.3087
3727		3125.4836	I didn't like	3126.3346
3729		3126.7411	the feeling of working for like this huge company	3129.6257
3731		3130.2450	that didn't	3130.7178
3733		3131.3513	care, didn't give a sh- a shit about their people.	3134.1925
3735		3134.4902	I- I just felt like	3135.3695
3737		3135.9699	I was like a cog.	3136.9769
3739		3137.4354	And so I quit, and I-	3138.8017
3741		3139.6243	I had been working part time	3141.2785
3743		3141.3471	for a local ambulance company,	3143.1423
3745		3144.0831	and when I g- I quit,	3145.2271
3747		3146.4279	um,	3146.7907
3749		3146.9771	I-	3147.1891
3751		3147.2553	I went to work for them full time.	3148.9060
3753		3149.0040	I-	3149.2806
3755		3149.5501	I was, uh,	3150.3159
3757		3151.5297	an EMT	3152.2436
3759		3152.9441	and, uh,	3153.6910
3761		3155.0667	um, I worked for them for like maybe three years, and, um, I-	3158.2924
3763		3158.4484	I left and I- I ha- I-	3160.1751
3765		3160.6290	there was another black guy who had b- who had worked	3162.6106
3767		3163.5183	for the ambulance company	3164.7049
3769		3165.3431	as well. And I just happened to run into him.	3167.4657
3771		3168.6626	Um,	3168.9936
3773		3170.5867	um, in seventy-six, g-	3172.1137
3775		3172.3954	New York State changed their	3173.7333
3777		3174.6457	public intoxication laws.	3176.0781
3779		3176.3665	Um,	3176.7068
3781		3176.8873	it was no longer,	3177.7714
3783		3178.8445	um,	3179.2416
3785		3179.5962	a-	3179.8751
3787		3180.1115	the state would no longer allow police to arrest people for being publicly intox.	3184.2016
3789		3185.2889	Um,	3185.6576
3791		3186.5086	and so e- e- um,	3187.6053
3793		3188.1065	this g- this-	3188.7502
3795		3189.0764	this guy that I knew	3190.2016
3797		3190.8918	was working, had gotten a job.	3192.7024
3799		3193.8748	Um,	3194.2956
3801		3194.8306	the state	3195.3553
3803		3195.7950	said that every county had to have	3197.6198
3805		3198.1398	a sobering up center. Like that's where d-	3200.0430
3807		3200.2936	i-	3200.4685
3809		3200.5773	if someone was drunk on the street,	3202.0239
3811		3202.4162	that's where they had to go. And so I went to work for them.	3204.5161
3813		3205.6507	Um,	3205.9863
3815		3206.7569	and I stayed there for five years, and then	3208.6148
3817		3209.1301	/RD-WORK-10/ had a, um-	3211.2347
3819		3213.2302	<ts>	3213.2951
3821		3213.3857	an outpatient	3214.2075
3823		3214.2855	substance abuse program.	3215.4185
3825		3217.1562	And I had had interact- interactions with the,	3220.3103
3827		3220.5703	um,	3220.9343
3829		3221.1896	the director of that program	3222.6929
3831		3222.8962	and, uh,	3223.6952
3833		3224.0450	he was looking for a counselor and he came to me. A-	3226.0219
3835		3226.4852	um,	3226.7358
3837		3227.4638	he was familiar with	3228.1776
3839		3228.3620	like some of the work I was doing, and he came to me and asked	3230.3948
3841		3231.1804	if I wanted to	3231.9652
3843		3232.0692	work for him. And so I-	3233.0620
3845		3233.2132	I went to work	3233.8656
3847		3234.0169	for him, and I stayed	3235.0475
3849		3235.9552	with him for five years. And then I went to	3237.9936
3851		3239.4591	the state had an	3240.4613
3853		3240.6693	inpatient program here at /RD-WORK-2/ Clinic. And I-	3242.7907
3855		3243.3601	I went there and I stayed there for	3244.8776
3857		3245.9933	three or four years, and then I got recruited by another-	3248.4326
3859		3249.7146	I got a- I got recruited	3251.1140
3861		3252.4518	by an-	3252.8017
3863		3252.8868	another agency, /RD-WORK-2/ Corporation,	3254.9507
3865		3255.5795	and I stayed there for twelve.	3256.8937
3867		3258.1142	And, uh,	3258.7383
3869		3261.1446	i- i-	3261.4755
3871		3262.1799	in the years, I- I had-	3263.7455
3873		3264.5492	/I'd/ had-	3264.8801
3875		3265.2677	earned enough	3265.9343
3877		3266.3456	educational hours that I could sit for	3268.3690
3879		3268.9977	the state certification. I got my c-	3271.2482
3881		3271.4004	my certification, and then,	3272.6434
3883		3273.5558	um,	3273.8584
3885		3274.0380	after twelve years I left	3275.2105
3887		3275.4949	/RD-WORK-2/.	3276.2655
3889		3276.9605	And I	3277.6601
3891		3278.7947	I got a job	3279.7174
3893		3279.8092	in /RD-WORK-1/ County,	3280.7992
3895		3281.3712	um,	3281.6596
3897		3282.8139	as a manager of the	3284.3125
3899		3284.8467	outpatient program out there.	3286.2555
3901		3287.8211	And then	3288.4026
3903		3289.5608	I, um-	3290.1471
3905		3291.2769	as I was working in that capacity,	3292.9835
3907		3293.9771	my	3294.2844
3909		3294.6815	boss	3295.2819
3911		3295.5750	a- w- became aware that	3297.0878
3913		3297.4518	/RD-WORK-1/ County was st-	3298.5638
3915		3298.7245	talking about starting up a drug court.	3300.3017
3917		3300.9995	And he told me to force myself in on the meetings to get in there,	3303.9833
3919		3304.0566	and so I w- I,	3305.0261
3921		3305.2652	you know-	3305.5394
3923		3306.8537	I- I was able to like wiggle my way into the meetings.	3309.7339
3925		3309.8746	<clears throat>	3310.2854
3927		3310.4485	And I,	3310.8398
3929		3313.1059	you know-	3313.3943
3931		3313.8868	I m-	3314.1696
3933		3314.2630	I must have impressed s-	3315.5538
3935		3315.6554	people on th- on	3316.7138
3937		3316.8934	that	3317.1014
3939		3317.7444	planning	3318.2928
3941		3318.4819	team,	3318.8837
3943		3319.8726	um,	3320.2224
3945		3320.6243	because when they were looking to hire	3322.3876
3947		3322.5909	a	3322.7469
3949		3323.1204	coordinator for the court, they came to me and asked me if I wanted a job, and I-	3326.3453
3951		3327.9716	I said, well w- y-	3329.0719
3953		3329.1925	well what does it pay?	3330.1116
3955		3330.1777	And they told me, and I said, no. I won't-	3332.0589
3957		3332.2480	I won't take the job for that. (laughing)	3333.3826
3959		3333.6237	And-	3333.9121
3961		3334.0255	and, uh,	3334.6401
3963		3336.2814	so they hired somebody else.	3337.8036
3965		3338.5837	She was there for only a short period of time. She got snatched by Rochester's drug court.	3342.4799
3967		3343.2174	And then they-	3343.6204
3969		3343.7481	they came back at me,	3345.1557
3971		3345.8959	and they had-	3346.5483
3973		3346.9076	they had petitioned the state f-	3348.2400
3975		3348.3558	to incre- you know,	3349.2800
3977		3349.4644	to	3349.7016
3979		3350.1818	increase the grade level.	3351.4866
3981		3352.4510	And they came at me, and they said,	3353.7661
3983		3354.4232	well what about now? And I- I said, well what does it pay? And they told me, and I said, okay yeah. I'll-	3358.3328
3984	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	3358.6003	[<laugh>]	3358.9596
3985	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	3358.9265	[I'll] do that.	3359.5316
3986		3360.0139	And	3360.2408
3988		3360.4630	so I've been there for fourteen years.	3361.8056
3989	ROC_int_01	3362.8181	That's great.	3363.3948
3991		3364.2174	Okay, so	3365.2772
3993		3365.3623	let me turn to you [for a second] and ask about, um,	3368.3451
3994	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	3366.3036	[<laugh>]	3366.9607
3995	ROC_int_01	3368.4799	your profession,	3369.4324
3997		3369.8615	and, uh,	3370.5659
3999		3371.4121	also y- a-	3372.1685
4001		3372.5428	why you- I wanted to ask a little bit- go back to the college experience, why you chose, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	3377.8990
4002	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	3378.0424	Okay.	3378.3568
4004		3378.5624	Yeah.	3378.7894
4006		3379.5367	So, um, when I was in high school, um,	3381.7965
4008		3382.5391	I've always hated school,	3383.8226
4010		3384.1630	um,	3384.6759
4012		3385.8204	it-	3385.9244
4014		3386.7422	just the way that it's set up has never felt right to me. Um,	3390.0259
4016		3390.1890	w-	3390.3355
4018		3390.5104	in the fourth grade, I had a truant officer	3392.8131
4020		3393.0070	because I refused- so I- I was in-	3394.9693
4022		3395.5011	this is also gonna be a very convoluted story, but, um,	3397.7944
4024		3398.1607	so first, second, and third grade, I was in, um,	3400.5198
4026		3400.6785	a program where we were,	3401.9857
4028		3402.0944	you know I was with the same	3403.0659
4030		3403.2294	group of kids for three years. I had the same two teachers.	3406.0045
4032		3406.5178	Um,	3407.0095
4034		3407.5602	i- I don't know, it just felt more like family-like. Um, I really liked the teacher- my main teacher that I had.	3412.0806
4036		3412.1551	And, um,	3412.6916
4038		3413.1050	you know, I- I liked	3414.2235
4040		3414.3511	the- the kids that I was with. I was kind of like a-	3416.4123
4042		3416.7101	a little timid, and so I was able to like	3418.4266
4044		3419.0979	grow and get to know these people. And then	3420.7175
4046		3420.8735	fourth grade,	3421.6559
4048		3422.2137	it was a major shift for me.	3423.6371
4050		3424.2304	And, um-	3424.9041
4052		3426.1313	but it was one of those like	3427.3061
4054		3427.9986	I didn't know p- everybody kept asking, like why won't you go to school?	3430.9898
4056		3431.0554	Um, you know, I- I had to be dragged into school	3433.5079
4058		3433.6384	on many occasions. I would like lock myself in the bathroom.	3436.4087
4060		3436.9858	Um,	3437.3664
4062		3437.4964	and, you know, they both were working, so	3439.4772
4064		3439.7424	they had to leave	3440.7304
4066		3440.9006	and just leave me in there.	3442.0305
4068		3442.6549	And so finally, like, you know, I ended up with a truant officer who was	3445.5387
4070		3445.7376	ensuring that I w-	3446.7068
4072		3446.8061	um,	3447.0992
4074		3447.1913	you know,	3447.5057
4076		3447.7799	was getting to school, and still	3449.0000
4078		3449.0709	i- it was just the whole year was really a struggle.	3450.8839
4080		3451.3921	And they kept asking, like what's going on? And	3453.4348
4082		3453.5743	I really didn't have words for it at that age.	3455.4964
4084		3455.6524	Um,	3456.0495
4086		3456.5790	but I mean, looking back, I just really don't	3458.8462
4088		3459.0542	think that the way that schools	3460.4181
4090		3460.6833	are operated really	3461.6902
4092		3461.9431	has ever been my thing. So	3463.4583
4094		3463.7164	I d- start- you know, I started going to school, but,	3465.6215
4096		3465.7255	um,	3466.0399
4098		3467.3877	it's weird. I- I know that I'm smart because	3469.9827
4100		3471.0961	if I wasn't, I j- you know, like, the way that I am with school. I, um- I hated doing homework.	3475.4013
4102		3475.8197	So,	3476.2617
4104		3476.5643	um,	3476.9874
4106		3477.8468	<ts>	3477.8849
4108		3477.9356	just never really worked	3478.8126
4110		3479.0631	that w-	3479.3610
4112		3479.5004	well. I would just kind of get by, um, where	3481.8788
4114		3482.5193	if I would've ever applied myself, I-	3483.9616
4116		3484.0893	I probably woulda been a really good student.	3485.4933
4118		3485.9874	Um, but I just never wanted to. <laugh> Um,	3488.1506
4120		3488.4508	so when I was in	3489.3041
4122		3489.5570	high school, um,	3490.6920
4124		3491.1364	I- I had always been	3492.1150
4126		3492.2592	good at math,	3493.0349
4128		3493.2807	um,	3493.7086
4130		3494.2924	and	3495.0701
4132		3495.3443	so I wanted to be a math teacher,	3496.9237
4134		3497.0159	um,	3497.4012
4136		3497.6753	you know, wanted to be able to teach	3499.4722
4138		3500.3137	people in a way-	3501.4199
4140		3502.6801	I felt like I was a different learner, so- and I felt like that would be beneficial for students.	3506.2026
4142		3506.8172	<clears throat>	3507.0774
4144		3507.1334	And, um,	3507.7130
4146		3508.6755	so-	3509.4768
4148		3510.3656	so that was my plan. Um, I went to my guidance counselor	3513.2805
4150		3513.9640	and	3514.6377
4152		3515.0277	he told me s-	3516.0985
4154		3516.3183	profound advice.	3517.3540
4156		3518.0111	He was like	3518.8384
4158		3519.2048	j-	3519.3821
4160		3519.4885	you know, just having	3520.3257
4162		3520.4297	like known me, he was like, you'll like /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	3522.8765
4164		3523.0326	Um,	3523.3895
4166		3523.6968	so apply to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and one other school	3525.6327
4168		3526.1082	was the advice that he gave me. Um,	3527.9614
4170		3528.6256	so I applied to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ and Buff State.	3530.6092
4172		3530.9117	Um,	3531.4034
4174		3532.0042	I- i- I don't think that was really great advice, you know. (laughing) But-	3534.4956
4176		3534.7584	but he was right.	3535.3885
4178		3535.4511	He-	3535.6944
4180		3535.7937	luckily he was right,	3536.9149
4182		3536.9988	and he really- he helped me,	3538.4543
4184		3538.5772	um, you know, with writing my,	3539.7689
4186		3540.2606	my letter to get into /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	3541.5512
4188		3541.9199	Um, but I mean, that was really like, what if I didn't? You know, that woulda really sucked. He only told me to (laughing) apply to two schools.	3546.9201
4190		3547.4070	Um,	3547.8467
4192		3548.0547	but yeah, luckily I did get into /RD-SCHOOL-2/, and he was very right.	3551.2485
4194		3551.4309	Um, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is a,	3552.9697
4196		3554.7382	um,	3555.3551
4198		3556.2108	i- has like this kind of hippyish vibe, very artsy.	3559.7396
4200		3559.8123	Um,	3560.3553
4202		3561.1535	and, uh, i-	3562.2219
4204		3562.7613	like (breathy)	3563.2766
4206		3563.7730	I got involved with like activism	3566.1702
4208		3566.3049	while I was there.	3566.9361
4210		3567.2670	So when I first got there, um, you know, like I said, having come from this	3570.7303
4212		3571.0403	somewhat of a color blindness, um,	3573.1464
4214		3573.8532	being in Rochester and not really looking critically at some of the stuff that was going on,	3578.4964
4216		3578.6311	um,	3579.0070
4218		3579.5081	in my world.	3580.2385
4220		3580.6644	Um,	3581.0851
4222		3581.9739	I came into/RD-SCHOOL-2/. I- my parents made too much for me to be, um, EOP.	3586.0305
4224		3586.7235	Um, but they have this program called /RD-SCHOOL-10/.	3590.1371
4226		3590.3735	So it has the mentorship	3591.8130
4228		3591.9217	aspect of EOP without any money.	3593.7527
4230		3593.9989	Um,	3594.3062
4232		3594.7033	so <clears throat> they, um, would house /RD-SCHOOL-3/ students	3598.3155
4234		3598.7079	in the two oldest dorms,	3600.4953
4236		3600.6631	um,	3601.0886
4238		3601.3604	on campus	3602.0104
4240		3602.8165	which if you look at it, it's like put all the	3604.3793
4242		3604.8544	people of color in like the two oldest dorms. (laughing)	3606.8451
4244		3607.2162	It l- can seem kind of bad, but those dorms had the most history,	3609.9302
4246		3610.3321	um, and it was really beautiful, like	3612.1882
4248		3612.2615	living in the space that	3613.4124
4250		3614.1270	the white people wouldn't	3615.1587
4252		3615.2208	necessarily flock to. (laughing) You know, there were like	3616.9487
4254		3617.1114	two brand new dorms on campus where like a lot of,	3619.8656
4256		3620.0736	you know, more well off students,	3621.2251
4258		3621.6790	they would just pay the extra money to live in those two new dorms.	3623.6247
4260		3623.8564	So it was really actually very nice. Um,	3625.7616
4262		3625.9317	you know, living with like black, Puerto Rican, Dominican, like	3628.0629
4264		3628.1391	um-	3628.4651
4266		3628.6022	<clears throat>	3628.8159
4268		3629.1553	and	3629.6919
4270		3630.0063	in the basement of	3631.0467
4272		3631.4769	the dorm that I lived in, the- the oldest one,	3633.3821
4274		3634.1986	<ts>	3634.2524
4276		3634.3422	um,	3634.7440
4278		3635.1601	there were like all these divine nine.	3636.7881
4280		3636.8574	Um, you know, like y-	3637.6897
4282		3637.7582	there was a lot of like	3638.8006
4284		3638.9013	black history in- in that building. And so	3641.2248
4286		3641.5846	that was really awesome.	3642.6553
4288		3642.9248	And, um,	3643.5701
4290		3644.4876	so I lived, (breathy)	3645.6222
4292		3645.7948	um, there and	3646.8916
4294		3647.0925	there were a couple	3648.2015
4296		3648.5797	of- like there were some black studies classes that I had to take.	3650.8966
4298		3651.1424	They were-	3651.5853
4300		3651.6671	they were sp- specific to /RD-SCHOOL-7/,	3653.7668
4302		3653.9654	but they were,	3654.4977
4304		3654.7671	um,	3655.1500
4306		3655.5873	through the black studies department.	3657.0552
4308		3657.4433	So, um,	3658.2738
4310		3658.3371	I ended up having like	3659.9725
4312		3660.2143	a- a mentor, Dr. /RD-NAME-5/, um,	3662.4088
4314		3662.5105	was	3662.9685
4316		3663.2984	my faculty mentor.	3664.3341
4318		3664.3944	Um, and then I also was assigned a student mentor	3667.1541
4320		3667.7086	who,	3668.2475
4322		3668.5241	um-	3668.9732
4324		3669.3727	she was on my soccer team in high school.	3671.1175
4326		3671.2759	She saw my name on the list, and she was like, I want her.	3673.2890
4328		3673.3606	So, um, that was really awesome. This girl, uh,	3675.5027
4330		3675.9451	/RD-NAME-2/ who I like knew from back home, so that was cool.	3678.5854
4332		3679.7748	Um, and so I like had this like	3681.4065
4334		3681.4881	kind of guidance,	3682.3715
4336		3682.4992	um,	3682.8845
4338		3683.3695	from these,	3683.8044
4340		3684.0408	you know, two black women.	3685.0241
4342		3685.5110	Um,	3685.9507
4344		3686.9533	and I, um,	3687.9744
4346		3688.1801	I feel like I	3688.8017
4348		3688.8774	came in with this kind of like,	3690.7586
4350		3691.8227	you know, like why-	3692.6760
4352		3693.7303	not fully, but like kind of like, w- you know,	3695.3120
4354		3695.5011	black studies, you know like just kind of a like,	3697.1581
4356		3697.7778	I didn't totally buy in,	3699.1559
4358		3699.3024	um, initially.	3700.0234
4360		3700.6549	Um,	3701.0875
4362		3701.5791	but then	3702.4372
4364		3702.6026	being a part (breathy)	3703.6590
4366		3703.8062	of it,	3704.2154
4368		3704.2870	and like taking these classes,	3705.8414
4370		3706.2527	and like seeing just,	3707.3522
4372		3707.6335	um,	3708.1039
4374		3708.9028	again it felt like an- a family atmosphere.	3711.1488
4376		3711.4514	And like	3711.9643
4378		3713.0024	n- knowing the struggles that I had with school, you know, my- probably like my second week of college, I called him and	3718.2007
4380		3719.0378	I was like,	3719.6128
4382		3719.7771	I'm done.	3720.3993
4384		3720.5010	I had talked to somebody, a teacher who used to be a dental hygienist, and I was like,	3723.6452
4386		3723.9454	yeah I'm just gonna become a dental hygienist. I'm just gonna go,	3726.2197
4388		3726.3284	you know,	3726.7445
4390		3727.0612	get certified or something. And he was like,	3728.6382
4392		3728.9124	no, you're not. Um,	3730.2337
4394		3730.3236	m-	3730.4134
4396		3730.6644	you wouldn't go that. It's gross. You don't wanna be in people's mouths (laughing), like you're not gonna do it.	3734.5720
4398		3735.2126	And I was like,	3736.1912
4400		3736.2952	well, I can't do this school thing. And he was like, well,	3738.4986
4402		3738.7421	it's been two weeks, like you're gonna try. And, um,	3741.3544
4404		3741.8201	so I was like, okay, well I'll- I'll like	3743.3026
4406		3743.6571	d-	3743.8344
4408		3744.3024	do this semester, and it's gonna suck. Um,	3746.4279
4410		3747.3473	and, uh-	3748.0825
4412		3749.2718	but like	3749.9518
4414		3750.0190	b-	3750.1980
4416		3750.4183	bu- you know, I would have those same conversations with people in the department. And like, you know, /RD-NAME-11/ was just like, w-	3756.5057
4418		3756.6854	um,	3757.0825
4420		3758.2009	just a very loving and strong presence. (breathy)	3760.5123
4422		3760.7854	Um,	3761.2317
4424		3761.4113	and so like,	3761.9408
4426		3762.1937	that's- you know, I was getting support from	3764.0284
4428		3764.3286	these people so	3765.2457
4430		3765.6263	even though I didn't totally understand like, you know, why we needed	3768.1654
4432		3768.2422	this department	3768.8792
4434		3769.0186	yet,	3769.5103
4436		3769.6567	um,	3770.0420
4438		3770.6069	it was there for me,	3771.5079
4440		3771.5954	and the people were there for me. And, um-	3773.3635
4442		3774.3661	and then I started taking, you know,	3775.8411
4444		3776.1176	s-	3776.2429
4446		3776.6235	classes that were specifically r-	3778.0684
4448		3778.1438	related to black studies. /Um/,	3779.7542
4450		3780.0757	you know, one of the- a-	3780.8797
4452		3781.1208	some of the more powerful ones for me were, um, like a race and racism class, um, education in the black community.	3785.9977
4454		3786.6032	Um, you know, you asked about,	3787.5487
4456		3787.6834	uh, integration earlier, and	3789.5606
4458		3789.9837	I started like, looking at,	3791.4327
4460		3792.2057	um,	3792.5937
4462		3793.4849	our education	3794.3618
4464		3794.5556	really	3795.0166
4466		3795.6032	got worse with integration.	3797.1916
4468		3797.4138	W- we used to be educated by our own people.	3799.3454
4470		3799.6621	I had an ex-boyfriend who his mom,	3801.6623
4472		3802.0050	um,	3802.3974
4474		3802.6858	was educated in the South, and then their family moved up north, and,	3805.7283
4476		3806.6715	um,	3807.1064
4478		3807.3357	the expectations were so much higher	3809.5371
4480		3809.6647	on-	3810.0859
4482		3810.3364	on-	3810.6768
4484		3810.8446	w- you know, when a- a black,	3812.1329
4486		3813.0599	uh, educator's expectations on a black student is much higher than somebody who	3816.6579
4488		3817.1425	m-	3817.2867
4490		3817.5750	may have like	3818.4922
4492		3818.7475	preconceived notions about this child already, and like	3821.0785
4494		3821.4236	doesn't live in the area where this child is growing up, has	3824.1589
4496		3824.3598	preconceived notions about the area that they live in, a- and like what this child can actually accomplish.	3828.5988
4498		3828.9392	So like just being able to look at these things-	3830.4260
4500		3830.7309	all these things that like,	3832.0574
4502		3832.6767	you know, they had been kind of on the peripheral to me growing up,	3835.1637
4504		3836.0170	were starting to like, make more sense.	3837.8194
4506		3838.0298	And I started to get angry,	3838.9445
4508		3839.0934	um, and like,	3840.1670
4510		3840.7178	you know, just like	3841.2709
4512		3841.5971	pissed off that I-	3842.3818
4514		3842.5520	with myself for like not having noticed a lot of these things,	3844.9634
4516		3845.4433	and a-	3846.1079
4518		3846.4081	also pissed off that this information was kept fr- from me	3849.3797
4520		3849.4719	for all this time.	3850.1929
4522		3850.4931	Cause I'm in school for	3851.6111
4524		3851.7340	twelve years	3852.5925
4526		3853.0487	and	3853.6396
4528		3853.9705	they left all of this out. I was like, really	3856.2851
4530		3856.4032	pissed off. Um,	3857.3346
4532		3857.7506	so I bounced around from different majors. Um,	3859.9162
4534		3860.7104	I, uh,	3861.5003
4536		3861.6327	you know, taking calculus my first semester	3864.1541
4538		3864.3939	and hating school.	3865.4080
4540		3865.9824	Um, I had gotten by because like teachers liked me,	3868.7130
4544		3869.4527	and	3870.0437
4546		3870.4814	saw my potential. They knew that I got the information.	3873.2876
4548		3874.0369	Um,	3874.4647
4550		3875.6537	so I- I g- I got a lot of help, um, along the way.	3878.6513
4552		3879.0937	But in college nobody's gonna do that. Um, you need to do a lot of work outside the classroom. And like	3883.0369
4554		3883.1763	pretty much all the work I was doing was in the classroom,	3885.0437
4556		3885.1363	um,	3885.4199
4558		3885.6681	you know, during my lower schooling.	3887.0225
4560		3888.1032	So, um,	3889.2543
4562		3889.8760	I, uh,	3890.7506
4564		3893.0627	I- yeah, I struggled,	3894.0815
4566		3894.2285	um,	3894.6870
4568		3895.3441	that-	3895.7223
4570		3896.0816	that first se- I mean I struggled pretty much throughout the entire time,	3898.8334
4572		3899.2542	but	3899.5898
4574		3899.7766	when I finally found black studies as like the major that I wanted to do,	3902.8262
4576		3902.9124	um,	3903.2933
4578		3904.9814	th- there wa- i- was still some struggle	3906.6525
4580		3906.9787	because I still had to put in the work.	3908.6385
4582		3909.1349	Um,	3909.5580
4584		3909.6360	but it was like something that I actually cared about. Finally like I had found something that like	3913.0747
4586		3913.3654	I had a passion for.	3914.6442
4588		3914.9278	Um,	3915.2970
4590		3915.7225	so that definitely helped.	3917.4882
4592		3917.6017	Um,	3918.1051
4594		3919.1290	so	3919.5143
4596		3919.9540	that's kind of like what led me to black studies.	3922.1485
4598		3922.2372	Um,	3922.7743
4600		3923.8111	I, uh- I also d- had a- a minor in women's studies.	3926.7307
4602		3928.3120	Um,	3928.8656
4604		3929.1894	and even that,	3929.9481
4606		3930.5036	um,	3931.1702
4608		3931.7356	you know, I had more	3932.7496
4610		3933.0711	of an interest in that, and it kind of	3934.6906
4612		3935.2036	w- the more I was seeing with black studies the-	3937.2057
4614		3937.3191	you know, I was leaning more toward that and having some criticisms to like	3940.1844
4616		3940.4964	d-	3940.5744
4618		3940.8372	uh,	3941.1421
4620		3941.2627	women's studies and	3942.0403
4622		3942.1585	m- feminism and	3943.0757
4624		3943.4137	the lack of the black voice in those realms.	3945.4304
4626		3946.1702	Um,	3946.5508
4628		3947.0665	so, (breathy)	3948.0497
4630		3948.1491	um,	3948.7258
4632		3949.3081	<ts>	3949.3861
4634		3949.4818	I (breathy)	3950.4126
4636		3951.1987	have alw- you know, I had like started babysitting	3953.0996
4638		3953.5676	y- at yo- like teenager, you know, like	3955.5153
4640		3955.6363	/I think is/ pretty normal.	3956.4730
4642		3956.8914	Um, but I've always like worked	3958.9126
4644		3958.9732	with kids,	3959.6987
4646		3959.7861	and so when I came back home	3961.1620
4648		3962.2413	with a black studies degree and not really	3964.0557
4650		3964.4979	knowing how to like sell myself	3966.2047
4652		3966.3649	and,	3966.8116
4654		3966.9251	um,	3967.3860
4656		3968.0880	I-	3968.4643
4658		3968.6368	you know, I worked at the /RD-WORK-1/. I was	3970.1662
4660		3970.3364	getting into like	3971.2653
4662		3971.3839	kind of childcare positions again.	3973.0551
4664		3973.3411	So	3973.7973
4666		3974.2369	m- jobs that I've had since then, I- I worked at the	3976.7122
4668		3976.8422	/RD-WORK-6/.	3978.0076
4670		3978.0927	Um,	3978.4452
4672		3978.6131	I	3978.9180
4674		3979.2584	taught nutrition classes, uh, through the /RD-WORK-8/.	3982.1354
4676		3982.7997	Um, and that was a job I really loved.	3984.7383
4678		3985.0338	And, um,	3985.8469
4680		3988.7287	a-	3988.8777
4682		3988.9982	i-	3989.1046
4684		3989.2894	so	3989.7834
4686		3990.2821	that job,	3991.0953
4688		3991.6815	getting that- that position, it came down to me and one other person.	3994.5987
4690		3994.6744	Um,	3994.9297
4692		3995.2974	it was a lot of white women	3996.2713
4694		3996.4202	in that position, like, um, state	3998.3542
4696		3998.5054	wide, and just like a lot of white-	3999.5951
4698		3999.7870	white women who were- who were doing that job.	4001.6354
4700		4002.2997	And, um,	4003.2077
4702		4004.3683	so it came down to me and a white	4006.5174
4704		4006.6167	male,	4007.1154
4706		4007.3636	um, for the position	4008.4249
4708		4008.9525	and,	4009.4512
4710		4009.9145	you know, talking to them afterward, their logic was,	4012.7419
4712		4013.0209	you know,	4013.4109
4714		4013.6733	both of them are minorities in this	4015.2739
4716		4015.4299	position.	4015.9429
4718		4016.0445	Um,	4016.3282
4720		4016.4771	you know, having a guy is-	4018.0423
4722		4018.1936	there's not many at all,	4019.4062
4724		4019.9049	and there's not a lot of black women	4021.2597
4726		4021.3330	either.	4021.6876
4728		4022.3098	Um, so that I think is kind of what-	4024.1142
4730		4024.9037	you know	4025.2275
4732		4025.3839	we both were generally qualified,	4027.3056
4734		4027.8304	um,	4028.3008
4736		4028.9914	but th- they didn't really know how to decide, and they did like a second round, um,	4032.6391
4738		4032.7383	like these questions that we needed to answer.	4034.1684
4740		4034.6229	Uh, my mom (breathy)	4035.6870
4742		4035.8052	has worked at /RD-WORK-1/,	4036.9233
4744		4037.1147	um,	4037.6229
4746		4038.0843	you know, like she worked [there-]	4039.0392
4747	ROC_int_01	4038.7852	[My mom] used to work there	4040.0562
4748	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4040.1218	[yeah?]	4040.3416
4749	ROC_int_01	4040.1773	[for] a period of time. Yeah, she might [know her. <laugh>]	4042.6926
4750	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4041.9126	[Yeah, probably.] [<laugh>]	4043.6665
4751	ROC_int_01	4043.3025	[Yeah.]	4043.6098
4752	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4044.1117	Um,	4044.5277
4754		4045.2841	and so like I grew up,	4046.2533
4756		4046.4518	um-	4046.9151
4758		4047.1420	she's	4047.4871
4760		4047.6715	r- just r- like connected to a lot of people. Both of them are,	4049.9360
4762		4050.0298	you know, so like	4050.5552
4764		4050.6864	I kind of was able to use the connections that I've made,	4053.4812
4766		4053.6041	um,	4053.9445
4768		4054.7675	in my time, whether through myself or like through	4057.1080
4770		4057.2593	/well/ my parents and people I've met along the way.	4059.0510
4772		4059.3867	So like, and that was one of the- the big things that, you know, like they asked about,	4062.4032
4774		4062.5758	um,	4062.9351
4776		4063.8124	you know,	4064.2119
4778		4064.6492	com- people in the community that we're familiar with, and like my list was just ridiculous. And	4067.8076
4780		4068.1267	so I ended up getting the position, um,	4070.0015
4782		4070.5405	and it was like grant funded.	4071.8996
4784		4072.2026	And, um-	4073.5239
4786		4075.2002	but then like a few months later, they hired	4077.1125
4788		4077.3040	the guy that	4077.9918
4790		4078.1884	didn't get the position.	4079.2497
4792		4079.8974	Um,	4080.4150
4794		4081.0414	and the following year we both got laid off cause they didn't have money for us. And it's like,	4085.2048
4796		4085.7674	why the fuck did you hire this guy? (laughing) You know, like yeah it was	4088.0630
4798		4088.5026	one of those like, alright okay.	4089.7271
4800		4090.1199	But, um, <laugh>	4091.3608
4802		4091.8525	and I'm l- yeah, I really loved that job.	4093.3633
4804		4093.4531	Um,	4093.8337
4806		4094.9305	h- a-	4095.2638
4808		4095.4340	in it, I was able to like go into, um- so we worked with people who were on public assistance	4100.4796
4810		4100.5470	s- and, um,	4101.3512
4812		4101.4718	did like an eight week series	4102.9525
4814		4103.0167	on like how to better- so I was able to like tailor my lessons	4106.0583
4816		4106.4365	for the groups that I was working with. Um, you know, if there- it was like ha- a lot of diabetes, we would like focus on sugars, and you know, like-	4111.7581
4818		4112.3325	but	4112.7154
4820		4112.8761	that was really nice to be able to offer this program,	4115.4105
4822		4115.5097	um,	4116.0156
4824		4116.8404	and like,	4117.1995
4826		4117.3792	you know, hopefully	4118.1001
4828		4118.4972	have people make small changes,	4120.1972
4830		4120.2663	um, to help their health.	4121.5152
4832		4121.9264	So I really liked doing that. Um, I ended up,	4123.9573
4834		4124.3521	um, on unemployment for a while, and that was really awesome,	4127.4632
4836		4127.6097	um,	4128.0399
4838		4128.2479	cause I wasn't paying rent.	4129.2667
4840		4129.4014	You know, living with my parents (laughing) and getting all this free money.	4131.7892
4842		4132.4061	Um,	4132.9043
4844		4133.7917	so from there	4135.5669
4846		4135.6685	I, um-	4136.4773
4848		4139.3899	I knew a woman and- and her daughter th- um, her daughter	4142.6003
4850		4142.8886	a- uh, has cerebral palsy,	4144.7729
4852		4145.4159	and she was looking for someone to work on some life skills	4148.6310
4854		4148.9004	with her daughter. And so,	4150.3518
4856		4150.8746	um,	4151.2788
4858		4151.4537	she	4152.1345
4860		4153.0658	was involved with, um,	4154.7468
4862		4155.5788	/RD-WORK-2/ Rochester, /RD-WORK-5/ Rochester, but it,	4157.6641
4864		4157.8154	um-	4158.0943
4866		4158.2574	the agency itself	4159.2761
4868		4159.8699	works with people with, uh, s- you know, all,	4161.7750
4870		4162.4487	um,	4162.8269
4872		4163.2693	different developmental disabilities.	4164.8058
4874		4165.4156	And, um,	4166.1275
4876		4166.7326	so I came initially just planning on working with this girl, um, to make a little	4170.5528
4878		4170.7254	bit of money, and,	4171.9691
4880		4172.1086	um,	4172.6073
4882		4173.3117	they told me about another program that they had.	4174.9043
4884		4175.1346	So I ended up working at /RD-WORK-2/ Rochester for, um,	4178.2197
4886		4178.6853	two or three years,	4180.1130
4888		4180.4723	um,	4180.9195
4890		4183.1509	and that was, um-	4184.5813
4892		4185.4961	you know, I had never worked with	4186.4723
4894		4186.7891	people with like,	4187.3899
4896		4187.5743	you know, different-	4188.0706
4898		4188.2172	different abilities, um,	4189.5787
4900		4189.6949	in that-	4189.9833
4902		4190.0779	to that degree. I was doing a lot of like self care, like, um,	4192.6898
4904		4194.2385	uh,	4194.7230
4906		4195.1343	like having to	4196.0400
4908		4196.4892	like wipe	4197.0565
4910		4197.1794	people and shower them and-	4198.4794
4912		4198.5929	and	4198.8557
4914		4199.0944	never saw myself doing that.	4200.5552
4916		4201.0327	Um,	4201.3825
4918		4201.5385	and it really wasn't, you know- my job was,	4203.5505
4920		4203.7278	um,	4204.1083
4922		4204.3518	to help them with life skills	4205.6144
4924		4205.7657	but also like,	4206.4890
4926		4206.6190	you know,	4206.9641
4928		4207.0941	they can't do this themselves so,	4208.5813
4930		4208.6948	you know, I was doing some	4209.3708
4932		4209.4607	caretaking too.	4210.1627
4934		4210.5929	But, um,	4211.2433
4936		4212.2952	that was like really	4213.4180
4938		4214.3308	eye-opening for me,	4215.3803
4940		4215.5765	uh,	4216.0776
4942		4219.3494	cause like I said, like	4220.2244
4944		4220.4253	I'd-	4220.8414
4946		4220.9572	I have always felt like a different learner,	4223.0156
4948		4223.0830	and	4223.4679
4950		4223.5884	I know this is like-	4224.2574
4952		4224.5316	working with them was to a more severe degree. Like some of them couldn't speak at all, and so like	4228.5990
4954		4229.2916	having to find other ways to communicate with them, whether it's like, you know,	4232.0394
4956		4232.3081	touching with their hands, or, um,	4234.5635
4958		4234.7479	you know, like,	4235.2443
4960		4236.1756	um, that was really awesome. And I-	4237.8306
4962		4237.9181	and I-	4238.1899
4964		4238.3105	I felt like I could really relate to them,	4239.9986
4966		4240.1215	um, in ways that other people	4241.3412
4968		4241.4736	really like detached themselves like	4242.7953
4970		4242.8875	that feel very different.	4244.0150
4972		4244.2254	Um,	4244.5705
4974		4245.4668	I felt like I could like,	4246.5825
4976		4247.5350	you know, I- I could relate to them,	4248.8379
4978		4248.9584	um,	4249.3083
4980		4249.4099	because	4249.7432
4982		4250.5138	d-	4250.6840
4984		4250.9218	d-	4251.1109
4986		4251.2399	despite like	4251.9277
4988		4252.0695	ho- you know, like how different	4253.4429
4990		4253.6225	their abilities are from mine,	4254.9159
4992		4255.6155	I can relate to just like not-	4256.8069
4994		4257.4479	not f- quite getting it, you know, and like needing some other form of- uh,	4260.8450
4996		4261.8046	of education and care and stuff.	4263.4408
4998		4263.7197	So that was really awesome in that	4264.9985
5000		4265.3294	I feel like I've like taken a lot of those skills in like	4267.7716
5002		4267.9607	other educational capacities that I've worked in.	4270.2563
5004		4270.8141	Um, so,	4271.5729
5006		4271.8471	um,	4272.4043
5008		4272.8710	from /RD-WORK-2/ Rochester, I started working at the /RD-WORK-4/. There I was working with, um,	4276.6652
5010		4277.4972	young moms, so sixteen to twenty-one year old, um, either pregnant	4280.7549
5012		4280.9629	or parenting, uh, homeless	4282.5210
5014		4282.8614	young women.	4283.4098
5016		4284.0314	And, um, it was a residential setting, so	4286.3223
5018		4286.6840	we had	4287.2702
5020		4287.3533	eight beds,	4288.1989
5022		4288.2947	and	4288.9843
5024		4289.0853	you could either come	4290.0251
5026		4290.1008	pregnant	4290.5930
5028		4290.7018	or	4291.1517
5030		4291.2238	ha-	4291.3396
5032		4291.4093	like having children already.	4292.6698
5034		4293.7386	And like all of these	4294.9063
5036		4295.6367	girls and children living in a house together, (laughing) it was crazy.	4298.8116
5038		4299.2962	Um,	4299.8804
5040		4300.4997	h- and I was a life skills, uh- like I worked on life skills with them. So, (breathy) um, helping them find housing, employment, like working on employ-	4307.0694
5042		4307.1734	employability skills and stuff.	4308.8166
5044		4309.2303	Um, and	4309.7857
5046		4310.2254	I feel like the biggest part of my job was like w-	4311.9750
5048		4312.1877	working on like	4313.0977
5050		4313.3767	relationship	4314.1898
5052		4314.4266	skills with other human beings, not just like intimate relationships but	4318.2373
5054		4318.7101	like	4318.9299
5056		4319.0788	living with	4319.8825
5058		4320.2371	all these other	4320.8261
5060		4321.3579	hormonal	4322.0387
5062		4322.1308	teen girls,	4323.0078
5064		4323.3722	um, and like not	4324.3603
5066		4324.5612	fighting each other.	4325.3152
5068		4325.7005	One of the biggest like w-	4326.9750
5070		4327.1712	an example that I use of a success story in that job is like	4330.0388
5072		4330.1452	we had this one girl who,	4331.2774
5074		4331.9416	um,	4332.3222
5076		4332.4195	was	4332.7835
5078		4332.9584	a hot head,	4333.6415
5080		4333.7716	and, um,	4334.5090
5082		4335.4053	she had a daughter who was like under a year old,	4337.8636
5084		4338.4550	and she was having issues with one of the girls who was pregnant.	4340.7265
5086		4341.5968	And, um,	4342.5423
5088		4342.9890	it looked like they were going to get into a fight. She had her daughter	4345.5928
5090		4345.6548	like in her arms,	4346.5516
5092		4347.4056	and	4347.8173
5094		4347.9851	she's like having a disagreement with a	4349.5357
5096		4349.6421	pregnant girl.	4350.4387
5098		4350.7956	And it looked like they were about to fight. So someone came and did take	4353.4458
5100		4353.5083	her daughter out of her arms.	4354.8678
5102		4355.4918	Um,	4355.9721
5104		4356.6363	and instead of	4357.2231
5106		4357.3046	punching this girl in the face, she punched	4359.2638
5108		4359.3961	the refrigerator.	4360.1884
5110		4360.9779	And like in the past that wouldn't have happened.	4362.8500
5112		4363.2262	Uh, you know, like	4363.8715
5114		4364.3679	she had been at our program for,	4365.9327
5116		4366.2499	you know, like eight months or something at that time.	4367.9778
5118		4368.5120	And like, you know,	4369.3988
5120		4369.5737	when I say this to other people, it's like,	4371.0699
5122		4371.1645	/let's/	4371.8760
5124		4372.0584	still so- she- you know, she broke her hand when she	4373.9835
5126		4374.0562	punched the refrigerator.	4375.3765
5128		4375.4634	Um,	4375.8337
5130		4376.7390	but like	4377.1479
5132		4377.9445	for her that was	4379.0748
5134		4379.1788	big. You know, like she	4380.6372
5136		4380.8287	could've had herself arrested. She could've lost her child. You know, like,	4383.4741
5138		4384.0556	um,	4384.3799
5140		4384.5311	from the consequences <clears throat> of her actions and	4386.8736
5142		4387.7061	i-	4387.8534
5144		4387.9149	little things like that, I- I have learned to see as progress. And the same thing when I was working with people with, um,	4393.1509
5146		4393.2951	developmental disabilities.	4394.3970
5148		4394.8177	Um,	4395.2786
5150		4396.2667	you know, progress comes in all	4397.7991
5152		4397.8839	shapes and forms, and	4398.7396
5154		4398.9719	I've learned to like not	4400.2488
5156		4400.7806	expect so much.	4401.7805
5158		4402.4068	Um, so from that job, from the /RD-WORK-4/. I- I'm in my current position. So I work at a birth-	4407.4873
5160		4407.6126	for a birth control clinic, and I do sexual and reproductive	4410.0831
5162		4410.1641	health education.	4410.8910
5164		4411.4228	So I give the whole gamut because it really doesn't,	4414.5345
5166		4414.8654	you know, some p- it doesn't look like	4416.3226
5168		4416.7261	the same thing. And the constant for me,	4419.0690
5170		4419.5275	um, is	4420.4163
5172		4420.7378	being able to-	4422.0831
5174		4422.6717	to educate people. Like I, um-	4424.2483
5176		4424.8184	it looks very different in different positions, and I don't know like what,	4428.2675
5178		4428.8443	you know, the end goal for me	4430.2271
5180		4430.3311	is gonna be. And like	4431.2321
5182		4431.6244	I- I really can't see	4433.0167
5184		4433.5608	how to make all of this experience (laughing) like into a certain position. Um,	4436.9862
5186		4438.0996	but I- I like to	4439.1680
5188		4439.2531	be able to educate people, um, i-	4441.0210
5190		4441.0860	and	4441.2887
5192		4441.4919	expand people's,	4442.4162
5194		4443.2250	um,	4443.6174
5196		4443.7923	understanding of things that they may not have access to. Like just like for me,	4446.9199
5198		4447.5085	I was very frustrated	4448.5887
5200		4449.2415	to get this education that	4450.6479
5202		4450.7827	I had never had access to, and so I- I try to like make the access	4454.2176
5204		4454.6104	in the positions that I hold,	4455.7048
5206		4456.1232	um,	4456.4707
5208		4456.6361	you know, like	4457.1160
5210		4457.4946	greater. Cause I- I feel like esp- you know, when I was doing that /RD-WORK-2/ Rochester job,	4460.4516
5212		4460.7097	there are a lot of people who were l-	4461.6552
5214		4461.8041	who just kind of looked at	4462.5699
5216		4462.7803	these people like-	4463.5627
5218		4464.6315	like there's no h- hope. You know, like	4466.0852
5220		4466.2058	this is just	4466.9106
5222		4467.2368	their life, and,	4467.9199
5224		4468.5298	you know, I wouldn't want somebody- I wouldn't want that	4470.5624
5226		4470.6812	to be it for me, so	4471.8337
5228		4472.7130	that's what I- that's what I try to do. So in my current position, um, I really-	4475.4254
5230		4476.4757	I have a lot of fun, um,	4477.9318
5232		4480.8865	it's- some people get really uncomfortable with like the whole, you know talking about sex. For me,	4485.1326
5234		4485.9363	I like to be able to normalize things that seem very taboo,	4489.2593
5236		4489.3799	uh, to people. That's-	4490.4424
5238		4490.6315	that's been really awesome for me.	4491.8559
5239	ROC_int_01	4492.6964	Okay.	4493.1644
5241		4493.3961	Cool.	4493.8688
5243		4494.3179	Well,	4494.7718
5245		4494.9419	okay, I have	4495.7551
5247		4495.9725	like, uh, my last question- it's been so great [talking to you both.]	4499.7648
5248	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4498.8949	[<laugh>]	4499.9444
5249	ROC_int_01	4500.1666	It's really been enlightening in different ways.	4502.5757
5251		4502.9114	Um,	4503.4456
5253		4503.9750	so I always ask about language at the end, and whether or not you, um,	4509.0201
5255		4509.9041	feel like Rochesterians have an accent	4512.8285
5257		4512.9561	or have been told once you left, [you know, Rochester],	4516.0616
5258	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4515.0044	[<laugh> Yeah.]	4515.8365
5259	ROC_int_01	4516.1290	hey you sound	4517.2240
5261		4517.3516	x kind of way or,	4518.4947
5263		4518.6436	you [know, this kind] of way.	4519.9850
5264	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4519.0112	[Yeah.]	4519.3894
5265	ROC_int_01	4520.5571	So yeah,	4521.1543
5267		4521.2891	uh, do you think Rochesterians, um, have a r-	4524.5857
5269		4524.8646	an- have an accent, whether or not you can perceive it	4527.3371
5271		4527.6358	is another story [but]	4528.6474
5272	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4528.4394	[<laugh>]	4529.3518
5273	ROC_int_01	4528.8649	[do other] people tell you [maybe?]	4530.3635
5274	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	4530.0799	[Yeah, I don't] know about you, but	4531.1814
5275		4531.7629	I-	4531.9520
5277		4532.0890	I've been told by a number of people that I	4534.2314
5279		4535.5126	have	4535.8530
5281		4537.6872	the Rochester accent. It's, uh-	4539.4600
5283		4539.7492	it's more New England	4540.7184
5285		4541.1769	like we-	4541.5173
5287		4542.3872	New York, (atypical pronunciation) n- [n-]	4543.3799
5288	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4543.2712	[<laugh>]	4544.1824
5289	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	4544.1984	not-	4544.4185
5291		4545.2269	but yeah,	4545.6784
5293		4545.8121	um, and my relatives	4547.1926
5295		4547.5972	in New Jersey who also have accents	4550.2233
5297		4550.8183	tell me	4551.3997
5299		4551.8843	that I	4552.3736
5301		4552.9389	talk-	4553.3030
5303		4554.0806	that I,	4554.3643
5305		4554.5936	you know-	4554.8748
5307		4555.4230	they can hear it-	4556.0730
5309		4556.2408	that they can hear it.	4556.8784
5311		4556.9931	I don't know about you.	4557.6835
5312	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4558.1651	Yeah. Yeah, my mom is from Jersey,	4560.1223
5314		4560.3555	um, and, uh,	4561.3601
5316		4561.8660	I think	4562.2205
5318		4562.3884	both of tho- like we have-	4563.7645
5320		4564.1663	it's more subtle.	4564.8459
5322		4565.2300	But definitely like, when I went,	4567.1663
5324		4567.3247	um,	4567.8967
5326		4568.3340	to school, so /RD-SCHOOL-2/ is like between Albany and New York City,	4571.4522
5328		4571.9939	um,	4572.4095
5330		4572.4739	so a lot of people from New York City were there and	4574.1709
5332		4574.5184	everybody kept saying we sound country.	4576.0788
5334		4576.8778	Um, got that a lot. [<laugh>]	4579.0032
5335	ROC_int_01	4578.7782	[Mm-hm.]	4579.4353
5336	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4579.5800	Um,	4580.1472
5338		4580.6247	and, uh-	4581.5423
5340		4582.6556	and definitely like the words that we use also, um, r-	4585.5232
5342		4585.8211	were-	4586.1425
5344		4586.3813	were just	4586.7977
5346		4586.8600	different. It- I think they make	4588.2041
5348		4588.4761	more sense, like,	4589.3795
5350		4589.8806	um,	4590.3249
5352		4590.9253	a lot of my friends, you know, we say slapping somebody up. You know,	4593.9277
5354		4594.4099	and they would say pounds. And so	4596.1855
5356		4596.8852	at first they were like,	4597.8532
5358		4597.9225	<ts> nah, you know, like just because they were used to what they were used to,	4600.1641
5360		4600.4335	but when I explained it like you're slapping hands, you know, l- they're like, dang that does make more sense. You know, like, stuff like- [<laugh>]	4606.5218
5361	ROC_int_01	4605.4593	[<laugh>]	4606.5643
5362	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	4605.6897	[<laugh>]	4606.4296
5363	ROC_int_01	4607.0706	[Yeah.]	4607.4015
5364	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4607.0847	[You know], i- the, um- the edge up and the line up, you know,	4609.7905
5365		4609.8527	um, all that stuff, uh,	4611.4154
5367		4612.3319	you know, when w-	4612.8783
5369		4613.0202	when I would explain like what was behind it,	4614.7930
5371		4615.1948	it was always like, yeah th-	4616.3440
5373		4616.6046	<ts> still- I'm still gonna say this, you know, but- [<laugh>]	4619.2684
5374	ROC_int_01	4618.7644	[<laugh>]	4619.5019
5375	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4619.8877	Um, but yeah.	4621.0412
5377		4621.7838	<ts> But yes, definitely, um,	4623.2351
5379		4623.3509	for the accent	4624.0837
5381		4624.7645	it-	4625.0013
5383		4625.7837	b-	4625.8853
5385		4626.0886	but yes, I definitely think I- I go blind to- you know,	4628.4267
5387		4628.8617	sound-blind	4629.8804
5389		4630.0506	[deaf to it. Yeah I don't] know, [but, um-]	4631.6986
5390	ROC_int_01	4630.3272	[Mm-hm.]	4630.7763
5391	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	4630.6880	[Yeah.]	4630.8936
5392		4631.1938	[Yeah.]	4631.3687
5393	ROC_int_01	4631.4042	[Yeah.]	4631.6807
5394	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4632.9017	but I hear from other people that they hear-	4635.1689
5396		4635.4171	I was in California. I was in San Diego, and I was telling a story,	4637.4851
5399		4639.7034	and I said cop,	4640.6206
5401		4641.9466	and	4642.6652
5403		4642.7767	I don't know how I said it, but	4644.0957
5405		4644.4242	y-	4644.5731
5407		4644.6795	you know, I was like, yeah and the cops- you know, and th-	4646.1904
5409		4646.2731	th- these like cops came or something like that. And this girl was like,	4648.1924
5411		4648.4264	with the caps.	4649.3156
5413		4649.4149	Like, you know, and I'm like what, I did not say [that.] (laughing)	4651.8749
5414	ROC_int_01	4651.6111	[<laugh> Right>]	4652.3889
5415	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	4651.7037	[<laugh>]	4653.1103
5416	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4652.4055	[But like that's what] they heard. They heard- you know, like	4654.5281
5417		4654.9921	they heard that	4655.6249
5419		4655.8647	kind of	4656.2784
5421		4656.6637	twang to it.	4657.2971
5422	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	4657.4754	Yeah.	4657.7354
5423	ROC_int_01	4658.1561	Yeah.	4658.4634
5425		4659.2529	Okay.	4659.8155
5427		4659.9195	Cool.	4660.5293
5429		4660.9292	Well,	4661.4918
5431		4661.9910	m- this concludes my questions, but, um,	4664.6154
5433		4665.3786	do you both still consent to me using these interviews? [I always aks] at [the end. Okay.]	4670.2148
5434	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	4668.6942	[Yes.]	4669.0180
5435	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4668.7462	[Yeah.]	4668.9754
5436		4669.3253	[Absolutely.]	4669.8740
5438		4669.9425	[Yeah.]	4670.2046
5439	ROC_se0_ag3_m_02	4670.3222	[Yup.]	4670.4522
5440	ROC_int_01	4670.3387	[Great.]	4670.6915
5441	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4670.5361	[<laugh>]	4671.0295
5442	ROC_int_01	4670.9775	[And] I just have a couple, uh, background questionnaires,	4674.1501
5443	ROC_se0_ag2_f_01	4674.3238	Okay	4674.5460
5444	ROC_int_01	4674.5744	um,	4674.9715
5446		4675.2977	and then yeah.	4676.1360
5448		4676.3630	We're done. I can pay you.	4677.3703