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1ROC_int_010.1887So, um,1.2152
3 1.3902you were born and raised i- Well first, let me ask, <laugh> [do you] consent [to-]5.6226 
4ROC_se0_ag2_f_024.4360[Mm-hm.]4.7906
6 5.4524[Yes], I consent [<laugh>]7.0312 
7ROC_int_016.5492[Okay], [cool.]7.3387
8ROC_se0_ag2_f_027.1790[to] the [recording.]8.1310
9ROC_int_017.7197[<laugh>]8.6557
10ROC_se0_ag2_f_028.7219Just don't ever let me hear it because I hate the way my voice sound [recorded.]12.0568
11ROC_int_0111.5312[Oh, yeah.]12.1204
12ROC_se0_ag2_f_0212.1324There we go.12.5851
13ROC_int_0112.6215[Easy.]13.0139
14ROC_se0_ag2_f_0212.7600[Alright.]13.1037
15 13.3212[<laugh>]13.9539
16ROC_int_0113.4441[Easy], girl. [<laugh>]15.2398
17ROC_se0_ag2_f_0214.4302[Okay, perfect.]15.6262
18ROC_int_0116.0517Okay,16.5386
20 16.8081um, so you were born in Rochester, [New York], right?19.6974 
21ROC_se0_ag2_f_0218.8323[Yes.]19.2625
22 19.7778Yup.20.0000
23ROC_int_0120.1749And20.7375
25 20.8887what part of the city did you grow up in?22.8678 
26ROC_se0_ag2_f_0223.1721Okay, when I was really small,25.5792
28 26.1323from what I'm told,27.2055 
30 27.6735we lived28.2105 
32 28.4342in the /RD-ADDRESS-2/ area, /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Avenue,30.6059 
34 31.2544/RD-ADDRESS-2/ area, and then once we got older, my mother didn't want us in the city schools, so we moved out to /RD-ADDRESS-4/ area.38.8153 
35ROC_int_0139.1927Oh, okay.39.9065
37 40.2233And40.7077 
39 40.8331do you remember that transition?42.5567 
40ROC_se0_ag2_f_0242.6182I do. I, um, was in44.7030
42 45.0386seventh grade at /RD-SCHOOL-4/, and I got like47.9157 
44 48.3648pulled out like, y- you done.49.7878 
46 49.9163So we-50.6018 
48 50.9847yeah, she took me out, and I started at52.9560 
50 53.1499/RD-SCHOOL-9/.55.5089 
52 55.9021And me, my sister and brother, we were the only black kids in the whole school.58.7374 
53ROC_int_0158.7658Oh wow.59.4855
54ROC_se0_ag2_f_0259.5422Yeah.59.7550
55ROC_int_0159.8117What was that60.6154
57 60.9463like?61.3537 
58ROC_se0_ag2_f_0261.4530[It was like] a culture shock kind of to be around all of these kids who, they grew up together, they've been together since kindergarten.69.4243
59ROC_int_0161.5475[Just-]61.8926
60ROC_se0_ag2_f_0269.9018And here, we're out like70.8237
62 71.1971a fly in a bowl of milk72.5776 
64 73.4199out of nowhere.74.7956 
66 75.4385And I think it was like, right before-77.8259 
68 78.5161it was like in79.0459 
70 79.1410late October, November, so school had kind of just started.82.0389 
72 82.4927The kids were okay for the most part, but it was just so different because85.8303 
74 86.2566the neighborhood that we lived in was all88.8804 
76 89.3342up and coming black families who moved out there, but then92.3559 
78 92.6916we didn't get to go to public school. We were at94.6866 
80 94.9088this all white95.8448 
82 96.1521Catholic school.96.9558 
83ROC_int_0197.0937Right.97.5945
84ROC_se0_ag2_f_0297.6311[Mm-hm.]98.0554
85ROC_int_0198.0152[Right.] Okay, and99.4861
86 99.6184I did not know100.7956
88 100.8864that you went to [/RD-SCHOOL-4/.]102.3112 
89ROC_se0_ag2_f_02102.0556[<ts> Mm-hm.]102.6712
90 103.2346Yup.103.4970
92 103.6577I got in for my grades. <laugh> [I didn't have a talent, yeah.]106.8031 
93ROC_int_01105.4293[Oh, nice. <laugh>]107.1104
94ROC_se0_ag2_f_02107.1293That's when you could go there from just having109.2945
96 109.5545good grades, and you had to have so many teachers recommend you.112.9544 
97ROC_int_01113.0206[Mm-hm.]113.4744
98ROC_se0_ag2_f_02113.3716[And] my si-114.2425
99 114.5144fifth grade teacher recommended me. It was me and117.4085
101 117.9521one other person from /RD-SCHOOL-4/, cause that's what elementary I went to, that went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/.122.9263 
103 123.5692[Yup.]123.8481 
104ROC_int_01123.6401[Mm, okay], cool.124.8976
105ROC_se0_ag2_f_02124.2472[<ts>]124.3807
106 124.9077Mm-hm.125.3408
107ROC_int_01125.3432Who woulda known?126.0056
109 126.3112Um,126.7083 
111 126.9210so, can you tell me more about your neighborhood? The one that you moved to, you said it [was-]131.5500 
112ROC_se0_ag2_f_02131.1659[Oh okay], we lived- it's, um,133.0392
113 133.2283off of /RD-ADDRESS-2/, if you keep going down,136.0278
115 136.5383it's137.1576 
117 137.6115/RD-ADDRESS-2/ off- it's /RD-ADDRESS-1/, you go down /RD-ADDRESS-2/ and it's /RD-ADDRESS-2/, and it was a bunch of142.9766 
119 143.3879families, they either worked at Xerox or Kodak.146.5581 
121 147.3192[That's]147.6643 
122ROC_int_01147.4193[Okay.]147.8070
123ROC_se0_ag2_f_02148.0670b-148.2655
125 148.4074I don't care.149.1354 
127 149.3824<exhale>149.6286 
129 149.8988Where you at? Kodak, Kodak, Xerox.151.6646 
131 151.8490Kodak, Kodak, Ko- everybody was at Kodak or Xerox.154.7619 
133 155.1118And all of the families were black or m- minorities, but it w-158.3832 
135 159.0856it was one Puerto Rican family, but everybody else was black.163.0283 
137 163.9227[Mm-hm.]164.3745 
138ROC_int_01163.9502[Now], is your mom still over there, [or?]166.1398
139ROC_se0_ag2_f_02165.9697[No], my mother- that was my aunt's house.168.1741
140ROC_int_01168.1465Okay.168.4219
141ROC_se0_ag2_f_02168.4624My mother loved169.8854
143 170.1387this neighborhood. She lived in Greece for a few years, but173.1360 
145 173.4630something brought her right back. She's always lived off of /RD-ADDRESS-2/.176.6068 
146ROC_int_01177.0405Okay.177.3974
147ROC_se0_ag2_f_02177.4199She just recently moved on /RD-ADDRESS-2/. She moved Saturday on /RD-ADDRESS-1/,181.8712
149 182.1832and that's completely out of her comfort zone. She loves the185.8755 
151 186.0223area.186.6295 
153 186.7288I don't think she love the area.187.9341 
155 188.0359It's her comfort zone.189.1232 
156ROC_int_01189.4524[Mm-hm.]189.9330
157ROC_se0_ag2_f_02189.5139[She acts] like190.3136
158 190.4436anything else is just faux pas, like, no I can't do it.193.2108
159ROC_int_01193.6296Right, [and so]194.7925
160ROC_se0_ag2_f_02194.1496[Mm-hm.]194.6223
161ROC_int_01195.0667a lot of the families, just to196.6776
163 196.7698take it back a sec to this,197.9930 
165 198.1207uh, in this old neighborhood, they probably aren't working at200.9911 
167 201.1991Kodak or [Xerox, right?]202.4007 
168ROC_se0_ag2_f_02201.7947[Oh no, most] of them are retired204.0490
169 204.1554or have moved out of Rochester.206.1515
170ROC_int_01206.6526Okay.206.9599
171ROC_se0_ag2_f_02206.9836Mm-hm, cause I know a few of 'em, like it's some in Vegas, some in210.3381
173 210.6037North Carolina,211.8865 
175 212.0106and then212.6838 
177 213.2322a few,213.9980 
179 214.6693I would say my-215.5061 
181 215.6526my boyfriend's father still lives out there cause that's where we know each other from.219.6738 
183 220.6012Besides his dad, it's probably like three or four families that's still left. But it's now predominantly white.225.6218 
184ROC_int_01226.7903[Really?]227.7122
185ROC_se0_ag2_f_02227.5372[Mm-hm.]227.9958
186ROC_int_01228.1802Okay, so most of the black people then have moved [out of the state]231.2381
187ROC_se0_ag2_f_02230.3990[Mm-hm.]230.8812
188 231.2452[Yeah.]231.6566
189ROC_int_01231.4603[at that] point. [Okay.]232.5736
190ROC_se0_ag2_f_02232.1883[Mm-hm.]232.6445
191ROC_int_01232.8787Okay, I was gonna say, have they moved back to the city? But, [never mind. <laugh>]235.6944
192ROC_se0_ag2_f_02234.9947[No, mm-mm.]235.9307
193 236.1104No.236.3704
194ROC_int_01236.9566So I was gonna say too that it's great that they could retire [because-]241.0089
195ROC_se0_ag2_f_02240.3293[Mm-hm.]240.8264
196 241.0278Before everything went242.6209
198 242.9944awry.243.6279 
199ROC_int_01243.8501[Yeah.]244.4647
200ROC_se0_ag2_f_02244.1763[Yeah.]244.7247
201ROC_int_01245.0044Yeah, cause that downfall of Kodak really247.7936
202ROC_se0_ag2_f_02248.3278[It was a hard one], yeah. [<laugh>]250.0211
203ROC_int_01248.4082[/unintelligible/.]249.2686
205 249.9916<laugh> [/unintelligible/]251.1357 
206ROC_se0_ag2_f_02250.7717[<laugh>]251.0033
207 251.4843Yes it did, they have so many empty buildings253.6176
209 254.0817in the city like, [you be like], oh,255.8404 
210ROC_int_01255.0961[Mm.]255.4305
211ROC_se0_ag2_f_02255.9916/mm-hm/256.2739
213 256.3982hi Kodak.257.1782 
214ROC_int_01257.3120Right.257.8367
215ROC_se0_ag2_f_02257.9502Mm-hm.258.4419
216ROC_int_01258.4127[Right], okay. And so259.9736
217 260.3518did you s-260.8670
219 260.9797pretty much stay out there from the time- to the time you were a senior in high school [or how] [long /were you-/]266.1973 
220ROC_se0_ag2_f_02265.3448[<clears throat>]265.6899
222 265.7624[I gradua-] We lived267.2197 
223 267.7692out there until I was in my freshman year of college, and then my uncle bought a bigger house,275.1385
225 275.6159in276.1974 
227 276.3581Greece, on /RD-ADDRESS-2/ Drive, right- it's like behind the mall kind of, that little street you can go down to cheat281.9894 
229 282.0934the traffic.283.0389 
231 283.8142And, um,284.4855 
233 284.9894yeah, I285.3864 
235 285.4793was predominantly in /RD-ADDRESS-2/, cause I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ College. I had an apartment out there. I lived out there, but I would come home s- way too much, probably292.6724 
237 292.7811<laugh>293.0742 
239 293.4666more than I should've.294.6296 
241 295.2820But295.7972 
243 296.1148they stayed out there298.3273 
245 298.5731in Greece. My brother st-299.8873 
247 300.0764went to Greece schools cause he was the last one.302.3465 
249 302.7530When my sister graduated, she went to305.1026 
251 305.4666/RD-SCHOOL-2/ and stayed in Buffalo for ten years before she came back here.309.0792 
253 309.5614I was in /RD-ADDRESS-2/ for years until I312.2277 
255 312.5066got pregnant, and then I moved back to the city because I needed help.315.1501 
256ROC_int_01315.8782[Yes, no, I-]316.7197
257ROC_se0_ag2_f_02316.0956[Mm. <laugh>]316.9088
258ROC_int_01316.9324I hear that.317.6037
259ROC_se0_ag2_f_02317.5659Yeah. [<laugh>]318.5917
260ROC_int_01318.3885[It's nice] to be around family319.9927
261ROC_se0_ag2_f_02319.9655Mm-hm.320.5139
262ROC_int_01320.6159when you have kids.321.7186
263ROC_se0_ag2_f_02321.6967Yeah.322.1252
264ROC_int_01322.1394Um,322.7279
266 322.9241so323.6309 
268 323.9630what high schools did you go to [then?]325.9115 
269ROC_se0_ag2_f_02325.7272[I] only went to /RD-SCHOOL-5/.327.8864
270ROC_int_01327.9384[Okay.]328.3403
271ROC_se0_ag2_f_02328.1287[Like] I went328.9040
272 329.0411from /RD-SCHOOL-4/ to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.331.8851
274 332.2822/RD-SCHOOL-2/, my uncle gave me the choice. He was like, you wanna go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/336.3317 
276 336.6343or you want to go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/? And I had gotten sick of the r-340.2327 
278 340.3320strict regimen341.4571 
280 341.8212at the Catholic school, so I was like,343.2772 
282 343.6365I wanna go to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, and I stayed there for my four years.347.0033 
283ROC_int_01347.3626Oh okay, [cool. So],348.8470
284ROC_se0_ag2_f_02347.9441[Mm-hm.]348.3648
285ROC_int_01349.6184that I'm guessing- was /RD-SCHOOL-3/ different from the Catholic school in [terms of demographics], or?354.0757
286ROC_se0_ag2_f_02352.7575[Comple-]353.2113
287 354.0828Um, I mean,355.2859
289 355.8946there were more357.0528 
291 357.3885minorities, but it was still predominantly white cause it's-360.3534 
293 360.4592it's /RD-SCHOOL-3/. Like it was predominantly white,362.8212 
295 363.3885but363.9558 
297 364.3962all of the minorities that lived-366.3993 
299 366.6702that went to that school lived out there because it368.7833 
301 368.9204was no urban suburban program. So everybody lived out there. It was a group of boys that were373.4596 
303 373.8189like inner city, all adopted. This woman had a group home out there, okay.377.5324 
304ROC_int_01377.5184Mm-hm.377.9126
305ROC_se0_ag2_f_02377.9457She had a group home out there, so they would-380.3094
307 380.4605it was like a381.2689 
309 381.6574rotation of, um,383.5294 
311 385.1084inner c-385.4866 
313 386.0208inner city youth, [black]387.3063 
314ROC_int_01387.0995[Okay.]387.4683
315ROC_se0_ag2_f_02387.5065youth,387.8843
317 388.5603from this one black woman who lived out there who391.7655 
319 391.9168did foster care.392.8016 
320ROC_int_01393.3879Okay, cool. [And]394.8676
321ROC_se0_ag2_f_02394.3429[Mm-hm.]394.7400
322ROC_int_01395.1560what was high school like? Was it-396.7698
323ROC_se0_ag2_f_02396.9004High school, like the one I like to tell (laughing) people, like they was like, oh how was it at /RD-SCHOOL-3/? I was like, it was like a movie, like403.2692
325 403.5670something out of a movie. Like you see, cause most of those families are well-to-do,407.9171 
327 408.3378and everybody- like, I got along with everybody because I-411.5832 
329 411.7614I'm my own person. I-413.4633 
331 413.9360did all the-415.1226 
333 415.4015I did sports, I did cheerleading, I did- I started a step419.1182 
335 419.2883team out [there] (laughing)420.8721 
336ROC_int_01420.7330[Yes.]421.2597
337ROC_se0_ag2_f_02421.4583with one of my moth- it was my aunt's friend's niece. She was a sororit- she was in, I wanna say AKA.427.5812
339 427.9357So she helped us. She started the-429.7768 
341 430.2247a step team, I did431.6949 
343 432.2102Student Union, I worked at the book store. Like I had a nice high school experience. I got good grades,437.6949 
345 438.2811I was a black scholar [still. Like, it] was a nice441.3540 
346ROC_int_01439.9972[Mm-hm.]440.6307
347ROC_se0_ag2_f_02441.6621time. It was a good school.443.0814
348ROC_int_01443.4065Okay.443.8556
350 443.9880Cool.444.3804 
351ROC_se0_ag2_f_02444.5080And it was minority teachers446.0755
353 446.1441which I was [shocked.] The- one of the principals was black.448.8287 
354ROC_int_01446.6635[Oh, /what/?]447.4192
355ROC_se0_ag2_f_02450.1863<ts>450.2997
357 450.4841Mm-hm. And I was451.4769 
359 451.5856surprised452.6162 
361 453.2071for the area, but it was enough minority teachers where you would456.7530 
363 456.8399be able to sit in a class and see somebody that looked like you.459.2497 
364ROC_int_01459.4199Mm-hm.460.0155
366 460.4405Yeah, and so461.6365 
368 462.1140I'm guessing, even though you were going out to school, to like this suburban sort of school, did you feel like you participated in a lot of activities in the city, or have [friends in the city?]472.1757 
369ROC_se0_ag2_f_02471.5281[Now we-]472.4121
370 472.9321<exhale> when I left, I only kept in contact with one person and me and her are very477.8345
372 478.2939close to this day.479.5845 
374 480.1424But, um, we would go around family and whatnot, but not484.0197 
376 484.3365too often because I rem- my mom didn't want us in that element, and she i-487.3769 
378 487.6551was v- very young when she had us,489.5698 
380 489.8495and she wanted490.8234 
382 491.0456us to have better chances than she did, so we lived with my aunt and uncle.494.7886 
384 495.2578My uncle was strict. He didn't play that. He didn't want that. He wasn't with any of the499.6680 
386 500.2130like, rap, no. You ain't listening to rap in here.503.6460 
388 504.0667Um, certain TV shows we couldn't watch. We couldn't watch TV during the week.508.3195 
390 508.4850Well Friday, Saturday, yes.510.0828 
392 510.2274Sunday through Thursday, not at all.511.9302 
394 512.4927Like he513.1593 
396 513.4761was about education. Every week,515.3481 
398 515.7027because he knew I liked to write,516.9933 
400 517.4141oh I'm gonna hone that skill, you gotta do a current event every week. Like,520.4925 
402 521.0659who?521.3401 
404 521.7230Even in the summer, like reading lists, writing /this/.524.3754 
406 524.7608He was on top of525.9285 
408 526.1412education, and then when we were with m-527.9149 
410 528.0787our mother and around our family,529.9193 
412 530.4394we were the white ones. We were the white kids who talk white and533.7769 
414 533.8676all that534.3826 
415ROC_int_01534.3659All [that jazz.]535.9004
416ROC_se0_ag2_f_02534.7363[/good/ stuff, yeah.]535.8011
417ROC_int_01536.0612Yeah.536.4535
418ROC_se0_ag2_f_02536.4819[Mm-hm.]536.9263
419ROC_int_01536.7183[Yeah.]537.2572
420ROC_se0_ag2_f_02537.5141Yeah. [<laugh>]538.3296
421ROC_int_01537.7126[Um],538.2847
422 539.0186so, right, it- it's interesting cause it's like, you deal with that stuff542.5217
424 542.6549from black people, but then you have to deal with sort of like545.3306 
426 545.9074these racialization in that sort of way [from the white kids at school.]549.8860 
427ROC_se0_ag2_f_02548.2550[The one thing-]548.9594
429 549.1107[yeah- yeah], I notice like they expected you to be so street553.3142 
430 553.4170and so hood, and I'm like w- what the hell you talking about. I don't-557.3137
432 557.7163I don't live that life.558.7375 
433ROC_int_01558.7706[Mm-hm.]559.3436
434ROC_se0_ag2_f_02559.0022[And then] like,559.7680
435 560.5339because I did so many activities, they would come over our house and be like, oh my god this house is so nice. Like what, you thought I was living in squalor?568.6991
436ROC_int_01569.0016[Right.]569.3798
437ROC_se0_ag2_f_02569.1482[And] my uncle, he was a-570.5673
438 570.7954um, he loved sports cars, so he would pick us up in a Miata or a Porsche or this because he had so many.576.3896
440 576.7867And they would be shocked because a lot of578.7628 
442 579.0709white579.5247 
444 579.8064kids weren't used to seeing black people with money or black people that had a little bit of584.5595 
446 584.6669anything.585.4585 
448 586.0211And like we would have sleepovers and stuff and they're like, oh my god590.4602 
450 590.6076your house is so nice.592.0022 
452 592.4749And, your hair is so long. How did you get your hair like [that? Like],596.4508 
453ROC_int_01595.6120[/inaudible/], yeah.596.9074
454ROC_se0_ag2_f_02597.1154[that type of] stuff, yeah.598.8835
455ROC_int_01597.1674[Mm.]597.6496
456ROC_se0_ag2_f_02599.4185And I've never really experienced600.9076
458 601.1724racism being with603.1012 
460 603.7536so many kids. I remember in605.4838 
462 605.7833eighth grade, a kid made a joke at the608.0044 
464 608.3401private school.609.2288 
466 609.5645He made a very tasteless joke, and he got kicked out the school613.3587 
468 613.8721[because that principal] wasn't for it.615.8529 
469ROC_int_01613.8992[Wow.]614.5847
470 616.4324That's [really good.]617.4015
471ROC_se0_ag2_f_02616.6877[Mm-hm.]617.2408
472 617.4630Yeah, and I guess he had a history of doing it. I didn't know because I was newer to the school, but622.5459
474 622.9241he got kicked out.623.6521 
475ROC_int_01624.5503That's really good to be in sort of-626.2653
477 626.3712or feel like you're in an environment [that's like]628.7302 
478ROC_se0_ag2_f_02628.1554[Mm-hm.]628.6282
479ROC_int_01629.3306safe630.1324
480ROC_se0_ag2_f_02630.1209[Mm-hm.]630.6728
481ROC_int_01630.2852[I guess], in [some sense],631.7220
482ROC_se0_ag2_f_02630.8564[Yeah.]631.2029
484 631.6623[Mm-hm.]632.0854 
485ROC_int_01631.8608[yeah.]632.2396
486 632.4193Are you still friends with any,633.9947
488 634.6376um, one from high school, I guess, or?636.6098 
489ROC_se0_ag2_f_02637.0814<ts>637.1239
491 637.2988Um, I associate with a lot of people from high school, but640.7464 
493 640.8878it's rare because so many people have642.9724 
495 643.6485dr-643.9747 
497 644.2820drifted apart, and they're so different, and people who you thought like, oh she's gonna be so successful, but649.1757 
499 649.5539they're like650.0834 
501 650.6129not651.6433 
503 651.8176successful, (laughing) or653.2808 
505 653.4975not living the type of lifestyle that I'm around, be it drinking all the time or drugs, and658.4763 
507 658.7505some of 'em have moved away.660.2822 
509 660.7881And661.4688 
511 661.6390it's just-662.1986 
513 662.4711I would run in to 'em regularly because most of them are still in Rochester but666.8448 
515 667.3034nobody that I hang with now.668.7925 
516ROC_int_01669.3220Mm.669.6056
517ROC_se0_ag2_f_02669.9941[No.]670.3907
518ROC_int_01670.0887[Yeah.]670.4669
519 670.8025Okay.671.4360
521 671.6866So it came time to gr-673.0623 
523 673.2561for graduation and you pick /RD-SCHOOL-2/ for the next [phase. /What did you-/]678.3011 
524ROC_se0_ag2_f_02677.4656[I did not pick /RD-SCHOOL-2/. <laugh>]680.3576
525ROC_int_01678.5186[No? Oh, tell me the story, girl.] [<laugh>]681.3267
526ROC_se0_ag2_f_02680.8650[I'm sorry.] I did not. I picked682.8518
527 683.2110a b-683.5136
529 683.8493s-683.9627 
531 684.0683ton of HBCUs that I did not get into,688.1824 
533 688.4716and I was shocked.689.6298 
534ROC_int_01690.0553Wait, no. [I don't believe this.]691.9522
535ROC_se0_ag2_f_02691.0658[Mm-hm.]691.4700
537 691.8789[Spelman], number one, did not get into- I picked schools in the South695.9296 
538 696.2180because I wante- I had just went to a698.1193
540 698.3651high school with698.9950 
542 699.1061predominantly white kids. I wanted the-701.0219 
544 701.2678be around702.3078 
546 702.4402black702.9752 
548 703.1415people, black minori- like705.0506 
550 705.2883people learning and706.5695 
552 706.8390bettering themselves.707.9688 
554 708.5779I was-709.1570 
556 709.2965I did track. I did everything. I graduated with like a three point nine GPA.714.0945 
558 714.5042I did not get into Spelman.716.1604 
560 716.3873They said I didn't get in because I didn't have enough curricular activities, (laughing) extracurricular activities.721.0514 
562 722.1435Yup.722.3987 
563ROC_int_01722.9716I'm sorry. [My face is] just shocked.724.8673
564ROC_se0_ag2_f_02723.6167[Mm-hm.]723.9831
565 724.9030Yup, I didn't get into Howard either.727.0091
567 727.8470And Howard is like-729.1471 
568ROC_int_01731.2138I am [shocked.]732.2822
569ROC_se0_ag2_f_02732.0210[Mm-hm.]732.4441
570 733.0528/Sorry to-/ And then it was something like735.5584
572 736.1407my first application for /RD-SCHOOL-2/, they were like, oh,739.6816 
574 740.1827um, because even though we didn't live with my mother, she still like did the taxes and stuff for us because she had to.746.3292 
576 746.8162And, um, she was a nurse, a CNA, but she worked two full-time jobs.750.5470 
578 750.8590So they were like, oh you don't qualify for EOP. I'm like, who the hell selected EOP on my application. So that was757.0169 
580 757.3109/RD-SCHOOL-2/.758.0720 
582 758.4644So I had to wait til the next semester, so my first761.4817 
584 761.7311freshman762.4165 
586 762.5867year, first semester, I was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.764.3812 
587ROC_int_01764.7027Okay.765.1221
588ROC_se0_ag2_f_02765.1339Mm-hm.765.5742
589ROC_int_01765.9299Okay.766.4074
590ROC_se0_ag2_f_02766.4405Yeah.766.8659
591ROC_int_01766.9747And767.4521
593 768.0998how was /RD-SCHOOL-3/ for that [one-]769.6182 
594ROC_se0_ag2_f_02769.5137[Easy] as [hell, like] I had high school classes that I thought was harder than those classes.773.7445
595ROC_int_01770.2138[Yeah.]770.5400
597 773.7256Wow.774.1818 
598ROC_se0_ag2_f_02774.2243<laugh>774.7018
599ROC_int_01774.7881Yeah.775.1615
600ROC_se0_ag2_f_02775.3412I had straight A's pretty much.777.2605
601ROC_int_01777.5915And778.1729
603 778.6276did you associate with anybody there, or was it just like come781.9274 
605 782.1685to school,782.7232 
606ROC_se0_ag2_f_02782.6838[When I got there, it] was a- I saw a lot of people that I went to high school with who probably didn't get into college of their choices also, so they were there.790.7080
607ROC_int_01782.8698[/inaudible/]783.7467
608ROC_se0_ag2_f_02791.3403I didn't really-792.3472
610 792.6025I associated with a few people because, you know, like, people assume like, you black, so you come talk798.3531 
612 798.5233with the black people.799.7903 
614 800.1212But it was different, like they were doing stuff that I wasn't803.0200 
616 803.2233used to like,804.3626 
618 805.0209um, what- what- what club is that? I don't know about that, like I don't go out yet. Like I wasn't into that, so it was a few people that I talked to, but I couldn't tell you their names right now.815.0121 
619ROC_int_01815.0146Okay.815.3550
620ROC_se0_ag2_f_02815.3283I wouldn't even know.816.2891
621ROC_int_01816.4341[Yeah.]816.7296
622ROC_se0_ag2_f_02816.4530[I probably] wouldn't recognize 'em on the street.818.0125
623 818.2630[It's sad.]818.7594
624ROC_int_01818.3678[Yeah.]818.6219
625ROC_se0_ag2_f_02819.0740[<laugh> I wouldn't.]819.7000
626ROC_int_01819.2087[<laugh>]820.2904
627ROC_se0_ag2_f_02820.5646I wouldn't.821.1319
629 821.9438Yeah, and then I went there for a semester and redid my825.2019 
631 825.4241/RD-SCHOOL-2/ application, and then I moved in827.7783 
633 828.2369in January829.1068 
634ROC_int_01829.6451[Okay.]830.0044
635ROC_se0_ag2_f_02829.8531[to] /RD-SCHOOL-2/.830.5670
636ROC_int_01830.9168Did you like /RD-SCHOOL-2/?832.1932
637ROC_se0_ag2_f_02832.4438I liked /RD-SCHOOL-2/. It was a nice school, and it was-834.7327
639 835.6416it was a mix, like it was-837.5456 
641 837.8150it's a-838.1507 
643 838.4391I thought it was a mix. It was just as many black kids as it was white kids. The professors were cool. The campus was big. It was cold as heck,845.7287 
645 845.8629but846.1938 
647 846.5956the campus was847.6026 
649 848.1604big. It was an adjustment for me850.4013 
651 850.9260to know like, even though you not at home, you gotta still do your work, you gotta still do stuff. It was a bit of an adjustment.856.8978 
653 857.4521And then I really didn't like my roommate,858.9980 
655 859.4703uh, cause she was annoying. She was like a theater major.861.7030 
657 862.3932Oh I still talk to her though. [<laugh>]864.9884 
658ROC_int_01863.8520[<laugh>]864.5375
660 864.9865I was gonna say what- what was [she doing?]866.7230 
661ROC_se0_ag2_f_02866.1118[We still converse.] Yeah, she's pursuing her acting. She lives in New York City, yeah.870.5292
662ROC_int_01870.5080[Oh that's great.]871.3102
663ROC_se0_ag2_f_02870.7993[Cause she was from] the city,871.8378
664 872.1592so she live- she moved back when she finished, and874.8721
666 875.0092I don't- wait, I don't think she finished.876.4132 
667ROC_int_01876.8529So what about her annoyed you I guess, the most? Was she making too much noise in the [morning, or?]881.3117
668ROC_se0_ag2_f_02880.7964[No, it] was just like,882.2761
669 882.4132you know how some people go to school and they like find themselves and turn into a whole nother [person, like], and I was like, who is this girl? Because889.6896
670ROC_int_01887.4563[Yeah.]887.8771
671ROC_se0_ag2_f_02890.3034I wasn't with them the first semester freshman year,893.3798
673 893.6143so I'm coming in new to a lot of these people896.1766 
675 896.5650and, they're just like whispering in my ear about her. I'm like, well that's- I don't got nothing to do with that. And then because903.7820 
677 904.1034she introduced herself to me as a lesbian,906.7516 
679 907.1204and I'm like, oh okay, that's your business. And then (laughing)909.3990 
681 909.7205/oh/ I guess she done slept with everybody (laughing)911.5852 
683 911.8676the first semester so she gay now. (laughing)913.7680 
685 914.2692And I'm like,914.9263 
687 916.1932well,916.9071 
689 917.5414that's y'all,918.6098 
691 918.7516and I just-919.5837 
693 919.7680it was just a- oh no.920.9925 
695 921.4841The company that she kept, like,923.1246 
697 923.4902[She would have people in] and out of the room all the time. And I'm a private person, [so I don't] like stuff-927.7441 
698ROC_int_01923.5776[Mm-hm.]924.3340
700 926.7574[Yes.]927.1793 
701ROC_se0_ag2_f_02927.9049Not private, but928.8882
703 929.3829if I come in and you sitting on my bed930.9505 
705 931.1112with your outside clothes, we got a problem.933.4749 
707 933.7519[Like don't cross] this threshold.935.7847 
708ROC_int_01933.8254[Yeah.]934.4376
709 936.3278I'm the [same.]937.0039
710ROC_se0_ag2_f_02936.6635[M- yeah.]937.5948
711ROC_int_01938.2994[Yeah.]938.6540
712ROC_se0_ag2_f_02938.3159[Mm-hm.]938.9163
713 939.0014<ts>939.0865
715 939.2685But939.5616 
717 939.7330other than that, like940.6832 
719 941.3309it was nice. I was, um, an English major and a African American literature minor,946.0529 
721 946.1522and I learned a lot947.0945 
723 948.1293[from a few] of those African professors. They ain't no joke. (laughing)950.8618 
724ROC_int_01948.2676[Yeah.]948.6363
725 951.2617Yeah, [I was gonna say, how were] the professors?953.4127
726ROC_se0_ag2_f_02951.5831[No joke.]952.3159
727 953.4268Um, I'll never forget this one professor. His name was- he recently passed away in the winter, Dr. /RD-NAME-5/, like960.1265
729 960.8810he will open your eyes, talking about963.2163 
731 963.5803education and just965.4580 
733 965.7653history, black history,967.4388 
735 967.6988not just black American history. Like he is-970.2469 
736ROC_int_01970.3990[Hm.]970.6354
737ROC_se0_ag2_f_02970.4983[he was]970.7993
738 970.9482a very smart man, and he was good. I took every class that he offered.974.0912
740 974.5403And I got a A in every class that he offered976.6346 
742 976.7709because his977.4627 
744 977.9118policy is like you- I'm not giving you multiple choice answers, like he'll give you a topic,982.3509 
746 983.1696and you gotta come up with this essay.984.8384 
748 985.3312That's your test, like986.3524 
750 986.7010no you can't leave. You gotta sit right here. No it's not open book. You gonna sit right here and write this essay. But it was a nice class.992.9138 
751ROC_int_01993.3392Yeah.993.6843
752ROC_se0_ag2_f_02993.8356Mm-hm.994.3793
753ROC_int_01994.5456D- uh, so995.5762
755 995.7274<ts>995.8354 
757 995.9922I guess, what are your like favorite, if you can pick like some of your999.4574 
759 999.6891top moments from college, or favorite things, experiences?1003.5144 
760ROC_se0_ag2_f_021003.5271<ts>1003.6005
762 1003.7425Um, one of my- I would say when my1006.7384 
764 1006.8152uncle, like my uncle came out1008.4789 
766 1008.6491ever- Even though1009.5584 
768 1009.9082like1010.2533 
770 1010.6268I was at /RD-SCHOOL-2/, we lived1012.3192 
772 1012.5981/RD-ADDRESS-4/ border,1014.0542 
774 1014.2886he came out once a week for lunch and, let me walk around the campus with you, let me hang with you, [chill with you.]1019.7375 
775ROC_int_011019.0756[Mm-hm.]1019.6287
776ROC_se0_ag2_f_021020.2158And what else? /Well/ having my little brother able to come and see people like,1024.3707
778 1024.5615oh it's people out here, people in college. I brought him to a couple of games.1028.3120 
780 1028.6335Just tryna l- show him because1030.1707 
782 1030.6955like, in our family, my sister1033.3682 
784 1033.7172is the first person I can remember that graduated from college, and she's only two years older than me.1037.7391 
786 1038.3214And then, um,1039.5033 
788 1039.9051just the experience of being around1041.8387 
790 1042.3351other people, be it black, white, whatever, who take their education seriously because a lot of people1047.4031 
792 1047.5576don't.1048.1743 
794 1048.8707And, uh,1049.6507 
796 1049.9809<ts>1050.1085 
798 1050.6510it was just an experience of being1052.6003 
800 1052.6972adult-like, away from home, like you gotta1055.6460 
802 1056.0242figure this out for yourself. Like when it came to what, financial aid that you gotta do for school, I'm like, what's that?1061.4569 
804 1062.3504Uh, what? I don't know, I'm not doing that.1064.2847 
806 1064.5400<laugh> And then it was a guy. He's still there, and I actually work with his mom now. His name is /RD-NAME-2/.1069.6560 
808 1070.0815And he's an admissions counselor at /RD-SCHOOL-2/ now.1072.9699 
809ROC_int_011072.9889Okay.1073.4001
810ROC_se0_ag2_f_021073.4616And he helped me a lot. He helped a lot of the black students because it was like1076.8918
812 1077.7522at /RD-SCHOOL-2/- at a lot of these schools I'm seeing, because my godsister's going through the same thing,1082.1921 
814 1082.5183okay,1082.9690 
816 1083.0659if you're a black student or a minority student, they assume you're EOP.1086.7853 
818 1088.5400So if you're not EOP, it's like, you figure it out by yourself.1091.3718 
820 1091.9060But he was there to help and get (laughing)1094.2895 
822 1094.7338us like, oh no you gotta do this like this, and this paperwork. But1098.3740 
824 1098.9374the oth- the EOP advisors could care [less.]1101.4099 
825ROC_int_011101.3484[Mm-hm.]1101.8117
826ROC_se0_ag2_f_021102.1190Care [less.]1102.7383
827ROC_int_011102.5445[No], I had the same1104.0194
828 1104.1593[experience] when I went to U of [R.]1106.1543
829ROC_se0_ag2_f_021104.4855[Yeah]1104.8968
831 1106.1165[Mm-hm.]1106.5956 
832ROC_int_011106.5183[I-] I mean,1107.1991
833 1107.4544nobody told me to fill out EOP, so I just didn't.1109.9560
834ROC_se0_ag2_f_021109.9122Mm-hm, you [wouldn't have got it.]1110.8873
835ROC_int_011110.4288[/Yeah/.]1110.7833
836ROC_se0_ag2_f_021111.1095<laugh> You [wouldn't have got it anyway.] (laughing)1113.2863
837ROC_int_011111.8659[Yeah.]1112.3812
839 1112.9958[And so] like, you know, when I first came,1115.3320 
840 1115.5920all the black kids who were in EOP were like really1118.8351
841ROC_se0_ag2_f_021118.9513[Clicky.]1119.3248
842ROC_int_011118.9891[clicky.]1119.3673
843ROC_se0_ag2_f_021119.6164Because they get there, what, like four weeks before everybody else, so they have1123.7856
845 1124.1874all the- they take 'em1125.5631 
847 1125.6386to Darien Lake and trips like that, so you have somebody there that you know.1130.4407 
848ROC_int_011130.6346Mm-hm.1131.1782
849ROC_se0_ag2_f_021131.3201But it's like, what if you're not in1133.0267
851 1133.1153EOP?1134.1187 
852ROC_int_011134.7630And what if you still need help with [tutoring and like] need, yeah. And you don't [get those] resources if you're not in it [so, uh, yeah.]1142.0044
853ROC_se0_ag2_f_021136.0923[Mm-hm.]1136.5934
855 1137.0614[Mm-hm.]1137.6571 
857 1138.9619[Yup.]1139.2786 
859 1141.1980[Mm-hm.]1141.7605 
860ROC_int_011142.0895I can totally relate.1143.0917
861ROC_se0_ag2_f_021143.1059Yeah, I had no idea what EOP was until-1145.7561
863 1146.4983like they would all be leaving like, cause you know you- I started hanging around1150.0306 
865 1150.1298a lot of the black girls or whatever, and they be like, oh we gotta go and meet with Mr.-1153.8456 
867 1154.0395with /RD-NAME-2/.1154.7202 
869 1155.0047It was this black man1156.1346 
871 1156.5364who headed the program. I was like, what?1158.3139 
873 1158.8198Oh you coming? I said, I don't know who that is.1160.6143 
875 1160.8885Like, (laughing)1161.5314 
876ROC_int_011161.8718[Mm-hm.]1162.4107
877ROC_se0_ag2_f_021161.9663[I have no] idea who that is, so1164.0662
878 1164.3025they would go. And they was like, you're not in EOP? I was like, what's that? <laugh> And they told me. I said, oh nah.1169.5358
879ROC_int_011169.7069Mm-hm.1170.1824
880ROC_se0_ag2_f_021170.1591And then again, to like stereotypes, when they came to my house, a lot of them were from the city, like Brooklyn and stuff.1175.5311
881 1175.9432They thought we lived in a castle, but it was a1178.3887
883 1178.4755starter home. It was a three bedroom,1180.8362 
885 1181.3050one and a half bath starter home. But they were like, oh that's why you don't get EOP. I'm like,1185.9285 
887 1186.8267I'm broke B. Like, what do you want? (laughing)1188.9927 
888ROC_int_011189.0495Mm-hm.1189.6026
889ROC_se0_ag2_f_021189.7964Yeah, it was-1190.5055
891 1191.1957you learn stuff.1192.0372 
893 1192.1251[<laugh>]1192.6877 
894ROC_int_011192.2169[Yeah.]1192.7379
895 1192.8047Right.1193.3259
896ROC_se0_ag2_f_021193.3779Mm-hm.1193.8506
897ROC_int_011193.8743Right, but EOP, that whole experience is weird, and then, being expected to be in it.1198.9241
898ROC_se0_ag2_f_021198.9666Mm-hm.1199.5018
900 1199.6095They assume that you're in it.1201.1081 
902 1201.5080But I think it's a good program. Like, most of the kids that were in it did graduate on time.1205.7703 
904 1205.9452They [finished.]1206.6354 
905ROC_int_011206.2903[Yeah.]1206.5976
906ROC_se0_ag2_f_021206.7252Mm-hm.1207.1507
907ROC_int_011207.2452And with minimal1208.3846
909 1208.4455debt, [right.]1209.2158 
910ROC_se0_ag2_f_021209.0504[Yep.]1209.3096
911 1210.4466Or almost none, right?1211.5812
912ROC_int_011211.5528Yeah, I- [my friend-]1212.9143
913ROC_se0_ag2_f_021212.2430[Mm-hm.]1212.5645
914ROC_int_011213.1649U of R was too expensive to walk away with none. I don't [know-]1215.4396
915ROC_se0_ag2_f_021215.1749[Yeah.] [<laugh>]1216.4419
916ROC_int_011215.6145[not one person]1216.7728
917ROC_se0_ag2_f_021216.8342[<laugh>]1217.3212
918ROC_int_011217.0895[who ain't got nothing]1218.0066
919ROC_se0_ag2_f_021217.9168[Yeah, and it steady crawling] up.1219.6118
920ROC_int_011218.0917[<laugh>]1218.8324
921 1219.7005You know, but, I do know this one girl1222.3206
923 1222.9585who was in it. She only had like three thousand. Somebody else I know had like maybe fifteen [hundred.]1228.1123 
924ROC_se0_ag2_f_021228.0650That's [crazy. I] wish.1229.7386
925ROC_int_011228.6985[Yeah.]1229.1287
926ROC_se0_ag2_f_021229.9324I just, in March, paid off all my loans.1232.5467
927ROC_int_011233.2605[Congratulations.]1234.8593
928ROC_se0_ag2_f_021233.8618[I just signed for another] one.1235.2138
929ROC_int_011235.7102[Yeah.]1236.0656
930ROC_se0_ag2_f_021235.9702[Yeah, like I] just (laughing) signed for another one.1238.3481
931ROC_int_011236.4808[/So did I/.]1236.9432
932ROC_se0_ag2_f_021238.7689But it was, um,1239.6907
934 1239.9630a learn- like you learn more signing up for school and maintaining1244.2185 
936 1244.4833your financial services than you do in school, like1247.5703 
937ROC_int_011247.9107Yeah.1248.1723
938ROC_se0_ag2_f_021248.1605/you-/ (laughing) depending on your major.1249.7430
939 1249.9132But it was-1250.4758
941 1251.2605it was a trip.1251.6246 
942ROC_int_011251.9677Yeah.1252.3696
943ROC_se0_ag2_f_021252.4357[Mm-hm.]1253.0976
944ROC_int_011252.5256[Okay, and] so when you went in with, uh, the major English, did you expect to be-1257.4071
945 1257.8231like, you know, write stories or [be a journalist?]1260.9394
946ROC_se0_ag2_f_021260.0695[I went in as a] journalist major, but it was a professor who I could not stand,1265.3651
947 1265.7598and most of the classes I would have had to take with her.1268.5395
949 1268.8704So my academic advisor told me that you could still be a English major and work-1273.3293 
951 1273.4380he said you can do more with a English degree1275.4798 
953 1275.7639than you can a journalism degree. He was like, with English you can teach y- and you do c- can do journalism and write.1281.7876 
955 1282.0657I wanted to be a writer.1283.3871 
957 1283.4958I have a few things that1285.1922 
959 1285.5420have been published.1286.8610 
960ROC_int_011287.5748[/Mm-hm/.]1288.2253
961ROC_se0_ag2_f_021287.6946[I gotta find] 'em. I- I have 'em. They're in one of these briefcases, but1291.4305
962 1291.9608I never pursued it because once I started doing the1295.3079
964 1295.4936student teaching and stuff, it turned me off.1297.5785 
966 1297.8337And then1298.4354 
968 1298.6563once you-1299.5332 
970 1299.7067like, say,1300.2550 
972 1300.5009English is my major, I have to1302.1424 
974 1302.6661pick American lit or British lit or Old English, like it was annoying. I'm like-1307.6327 
976 1308.8674/But/1309.2692 
978 1310.1958yeah.1310.5882 
979ROC_int_011310.7584Yeah.1311.1413
980ROC_se0_ag2_f_021311.6519[Mm-hm.]1312.1010
981ROC_int_011311.7322[Yeah.]1312.0632
982 1312.5217Okay.1313.0134
984 1313.3490Um, what was your first job out1315.4536 
986 1315.7987of college?1316.5787 
987ROC_se0_ag2_f_021316.6071<clears throat>1317.2453
989 1317.5892I worked for /RD-WORK-8/.1320.6991 
990ROC_int_011321.0490[/Really?/]1321.5265
991ROC_se0_ag2_f_021321.4603[Mm-hm.]1321.9614
992ROC_int_011322.0938[Cool.]1322.4861
993ROC_se0_ag2_f_021322.2261[<ts> Yup], and I was there for eight years.1324.2995
994ROC_int_011324.9897So what were you doing there?1326.4750
995ROC_se0_ag2_f_021327.0990Working in a group home with people with disabilities.1329.4911
996ROC_int_011329.5160Oh [okay.]1330.7042
997ROC_se0_ag2_f_021330.1369[Mm-hm.]1330.6380
998 1331.3743Yup because1332.1543
1000 1332.3765<clears throat> I didn't finish all my1334.1268 
1002 1334.3963necessary steps to actually teach.1336.8743 
1004 1337.3991And it was nothing you can besides subs- subbing with a1341.0153 
1006 1341.2092English degree, like1342.1539 
1007ROC_int_011342.1586Mm-hm.1342.5321
1008ROC_se0_ag2_f_021342.6775you can sub, and it's okay, but you don't get to plant your feet.1346.1285
1010 1346.6541And then I got a county job1348.9212 
1012 1349.6891as a- um, working with, um,1351.9441 
1014 1352.2459kids who-1352.8369 
1016 1352.9945alternative high school,1354.1102 
1018 1354.7484doing that. And that was okay,1357.1783 
1020 1357.5659but because I was so young, [those kids] are my age because they're getting E- um, IEPs.1362.7322 
1021ROC_int_011359.2055[Mm-hm.]1359.6972
1022ROC_se0_ag2_f_021363.1341They can be what, twenty-one or twenty-two?1364.6421
1023ROC_int_011364.6997Yeah.1365.0117
1024ROC_se0_ag2_f_021365.0952And I'm1365.4640
1026 1365.5252twenty-f- three, twenty-four. I'm like, mm,1368.4262 
1028 1368.6506this [ain't gonna work.]1369.7017 
1029ROC_int_011368.9711[Right.]1369.3718
1031 1369.4840[So that one] wasn't your favorite.1371.2789 
1032ROC_se0_ag2_f_021369.8419[Yeah.]1370.1250
1033 1371.6155No.1372.2886
1035 1372.7116I don't think I've ever had a favorite job.1375.0728 
1037 1375.3453Yeah. I like where I'm at now,1377.3219 
1039 1377.7226but it's nothing that I was like, oh I'm gonna retire from here, cause I don't plan on1381.5485 
1041 1381.7836doing that.1382.3612 
1043 1382.4494I need to1383.0978 
1045 1383.7605work for myself. I don't- <laugh> I don't b- [do well working] for people, yeah.1387.7277 
1046ROC_int_011385.9407[/I understand that/.]1386.7728
1047 1388.2493[Yeah.]1388.5874
1048ROC_se0_ag2_f_021388.4952[I] don't like it.1389.2303
1049ROC_int_011389.7661So now you're trying to go back to school for nursing. Where [are you gonna] be going?1394.2856
1050ROC_se0_ag2_f_021392.8295[Yes.]1393.3590
1051 1394.5094<ts>1394.5566
1053 1394.6535Now I did my research, and1397.1465 
1055 1397.5968I found a program at /RD-SCHOOL-6/, and they do the classes at /RD-SCHOOL-6/ Hospital.1403.5815 
1057 1404.0589Because I'm a r-1404.6830 
1059 1404.8354I'm a realistic person, and I know I have to still work full-time, (laughing)1407.9505 
1061 1408.5981I'll work during the day and go to class in the evening four days a week.1411.7230 
1062ROC_int_011412.0161Okay.1412.4652
1063ROC_se0_ag2_f_021412.5598So-1413.1034
1065 1413.2405and it wasn't1414.2058 
1067 1414.9905too pricey1416.2291 
1069 1417.3637compared to some others, and it- and the thing that drew me to it is1420.9196 
1071 1421.1323it's no waiting list because everywhere else had1424.0019 
1073 1424.1485a waiting list, like MCC's RN program1426.8534 
1075 1427.3545is-1427.9644 
1077 1428.2055the waitlist is two years long.1430.2147 
1079 1430.8292Like but they want you to still- so technically people are going to MCC for four years to get their RN, where1435.6095 
1081 1436.5046I'm not doing that. I'm taking a- uh,1438.1711 
1083 1438.5954a few shortcuts, like I'm gonna get my LPN program,1441.4279 
1085 1441.8771and then next summer, I'll start the LPN to RN program. So in two years, I'll have my RN instead of four.1447.7041 
1086ROC_int_011448.2553Yeah.1448.6240
1087ROC_se0_ag2_f_021448.7706[Yeah.]1449.0873
1088ROC_int_011448.8178[That makes sense.]1449.6735
1089ROC_se0_ag2_f_021449.4419[I'm cheating.]1450.1037
1090 1450.3637Yeah, [I'm-]1450.8357
1091ROC_int_011450.8081[<laugh>]1451.7245
1092ROC_se0_ag2_f_021451.4881[I'm]1451.8497
1093 1452.2338doing- Because I feel like I'm about to be thirty-two1455.0589
1095 1455.4000and had I known all of this stuff about all these different programs and stuff, I probably woulda chose a different career path.1461.1724 
1097 1461.5959But my uncle was such- he was into academics, so he wasn't like,1465.6710 
1099 1466.0965nobody's being- I don't want you to go into nursing. He's like, no /you too,/ no I don't want you to do that. And my sister, she was supposed to be a lawyer.1472.8056 
1101 1473.0806She's a social worker. (laughing) He's like, no, no.1475.9029 
1102ROC_int_011476.1440Yeah.1476.5459
1103ROC_se0_ag2_f_021476.6310Yeah, so it's1477.6805
1105 1477.8034been-1478.3470 
1107 1478.4944mm, it's just, you live and you learn,1481.1654 
1109 1481.8604but I always thought like- you know, you see yourself when you grow up, I always thought I was gonna be a teacher until I experienced it. I was like, I'm not doing this1490.0445 
1111 1490.7658at all.1491.4371 
1113 1491.6026I don't like this. I hate these kids, like. (laughing)1494.2592 
1114ROC_int_011494.2458[Yeah.]1494.6735
1115 1495.1226[It's a tough] job.1496.5578
1116ROC_se0_ag2_f_021495.1982[Mm-hm.]1495.6639
1117ROC_int_011496.7091[I commend]1497.5695
1118ROC_se0_ag2_f_021496.8178[Yeah.]1497.1913
1119ROC_int_011498.3023[teachers],1499.0250
1120ROC_se0_ag2_f_021498.8459[It] is.1499.4321
1121ROC_int_011499.5503especially in the city school [district.]1501.4374
1122ROC_se0_ag2_f_021501.0497[Oh.]1501.5577
1123 1501.9527Yes.1502.5956
1125 1503.6640It is-1504.3353 
1127 1504.8081it's the older- Well no, cause the little ones are off the hook too,1507.7116 
1129 1508.4727and then some-1509.1641 
1131 1509.2941I don't even know. I don't- I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't sign up for it.1512.3312 
1132ROC_int_011512.4352Mm-hm.1512.9647
1133ROC_se0_ag2_f_021513.1585[Mm-hm.]1513.6123
1134ROC_int_011513.2247[Right.]1513.6407
1135 1513.9338And so what made you decide on nursing1516.5434
1137 1516.7183after-1517.3848 
1138ROC_se0_ag2_f_021517.9644Well, I've been interested in it for a few years because it was just something, like I thought about-1524.2055
1140 1524.6073like I was working at the /RD-WORK-4/, and I got fired.1527.4925 
1142 1527.8120So I was like, hm, I'm gonna go back to school. What do I want to go back to school for? So I was researching all these things, whether I wanted to1534.2375 
1144 1535.0770pursue education again or do something completely different.1538.5564 
1146 1538.9961And I have a lot of friends that are nurses because working at /RD-WORK-3/, like you work with all walks of medical field.1544.2397 
1147ROC_int_011544.4046/Right/.1544.7119
1148ROC_se0_ag2_f_021544.9104And, um,1545.7601
1150 1545.9205I wanted to do nursing,1547.2269 
1152 1548.1913but I had to pay my loans off before I could go back to school, and it took me, I would say, three and a half years1554.6168 
1154 1554.8579to pay my loans off1555.7655 
1156 1556.9238to go back to school.1557.8181 
1158 1558.3239[<laugh>]1558.8203 
1159ROC_int_011558.5745[That] sounds pretty good though.1560.0757
1160ROC_se0_ag2_f_021560.0589Mm-hm. Yeah, [my sister] was like, ah,1562.1816
1161ROC_int_011561.0091[/I mean-/]1561.4393
1162ROC_se0_ag2_f_021562.5361good for you. I owe a hundred thousand, like /mm/.1564.7777
1164 1565.2600She has her master's.1566.2149 
1165ROC_int_011566.5128Okay.1566.9524
1166ROC_se0_ag2_f_021566.9619Mm-hm.1567.4015
1167ROC_int_011567.7845[Mkay.]1568.1154
1168ROC_se0_ag2_f_021568.0445[And] she- you know, like,1568.9861
1169 1569.2744they changed financial aid. You used to be able to1571.6004
1171 1571.8509borrow how much you wanted1573.2692 
1173 1573.3826and she was- wasn't working that-1575.2796 
1175 1575.4683all the time, so she would1576.7069 
1177 1576.9952borrow enough to pay her rent up because she lived off campus and all that, but1580.8103 
1179 1581.1846that comes back to haunt you, so. [<laugh>]1583.1938 
1180ROC_int_011582.9385[Mm-hm.]1583.8935
1181 1584.0589[Yeah.]1584.5033
1182ROC_se0_ag2_f_021584.2197[Yeah.]1584.7586
1183ROC_int_011585.0233Yeah. Well that's really good, [pay it off] in three [years.]1587.9680
1184ROC_se0_ag2_f_021586.4179[Mm-hm.]1586.8103
1186 1587.8356[Yeah.]1588.4644 
1187ROC_int_011588.8709[Yeah.]1589.3011
1188ROC_se0_ag2_f_021589.2019[And] then too like,1590.0906
1189 1590.2589I wouldn't have had to pay it all off had I known, but like1593.4546
1191 1593.7430me and my sister were our first generation to go to college. I didn't know that you had to1597.7953 
1193 1598.1310communicate with them regularly, or you would go into default.1603.1240 
1195 1603.4455I didn't know you could defer a loan1605.2655 
1197 1605.6107because they were sending our mail to our house that burned down, but the mailbox is still intact. So they were sending all of the mail there, but1612.6460 
1199 1613.0345we didn't- it was like a family1615.0011 
1201 1615.3556craziness. My uncle who I was talking about, he committed suicide in the house1619.2208 
1203 1619.6935and set a fire in the process. So we never went back to that house for anything.1624.3604 
1205 1625.3153And they were sending all of our mail [there.]1627.3119 
1206ROC_int_011627.1961[Mm-hm.]1627.6807
1207ROC_se0_ag2_f_021627.4159[None] of our mail got forwarded, like,1629.5232
1208 1629.7352nothing.1630.1725
1210 1630.4010I had no idea I was1632.0414 
1212 1632.3014<clears throat>1632.5992 
1214 1632.9727in /depth/ with my loans1634.6982 
1216 1635.0717until like, you know, you file your taxes, waiting for your refund. They're like, oh no, it's been garnished1639.2375 
1218 1640.0088by the New York State Department of Education. I was like, for what?1642.8239 
1220 1642.9444Oh yeah, those loans that you signed for1645.6190 
1222 1646.2667when you had no idea what you were signing, reading, the APR, none of that.1650.3757 
1224 1650.6546So1651.2266 
1226 1651.3968<laugh>1651.8885 
1228 1652.3392that's how I found out.1653.4000 
1229ROC_int_011653.6120But they were flexible about-1655.3376
1230ROC_se0_ag2_f_021655.8746<sigh> They g- I was garnished heavily up until March, like garnishing my wages and I was making payments.1663.3732
1231ROC_int_011664.0350[Wow.]1664.5078
1232ROC_se0_ag2_f_021664.4085[Mm], because it makes you look like1665.7992
1233 1666.3145a scofflaw for not paying cause it's been ten years since I've been in1670.1910
1235 1670.3376school.1670.9947 
1237 1671.3170So it makes it look like you just completely ignored the debt, but I really didn't know much about it or how you go about paying it1678.3050 
1239 1678.7305until like I started1680.0778 
1241 1680.4277pulling up my credit report and calling these numbers that's on it, and what loan. I was like, what loan?1686.1346 
1243 1686.6262I signed what? And you know, they'll send you a copy of the paper (laughing) that you signed because they have all of that stuff.1691.8887 
1244ROC_int_011691.9076[Right.]1692.3662
1245ROC_se0_ag2_f_021692.2149[And it] was just1692.9477
1246 1693.0706complete1693.7088
1248 1694.0586lack of1695.1184 
1250 1695.7614knowing or knowledge of1697.4349 
1252 1697.6760whatchu were signing when you were sevent- I was seventeen when I went to college.1701.2358 
1254 1701.5581So oh yeah, you-1702.3287 
1256 1702.5981so1702.9054 
1257ROC_int_011702.9669[Yeah.]1703.2883
1258ROC_se0_ag2_f_021703.1323[didn't] know what I was [signing],1704.2764
1259ROC_int_011704.2008[Mm-hm.]1704.5033
1260ROC_se0_ag2_f_021704.5506and because my mother didn't go to college, my aunt didn't go to college, my uncle didn't go to college, like1709.1276
1262 1709.9313they didn't know either.1711.0848 
1264 1711.3212[All I knew] is I needed my mom tax forms.1713.4000 
1265ROC_int_011711.3637[Yeah.]1711.6379
1266ROC_se0_ag2_f_021713.5203That's all I-1714.0592
1268 1714.3759<laugh> [that's] all I knew.1715.3593 
1269ROC_int_011714.4185[Right.]1714.7920
1270 1715.3876Right.1715.7889
1272 1715.8562No, I can1716.5756 
1273ROC_se0_ag2_f_021716.6134[<clears throat>]1717.0484
1274ROC_int_011716.9298[completely] relate. [Well, at] least you'll know for /RD-NAME-2/.1720.0267
1275ROC_se0_ag2_f_021717.9986[Mm-hm.]1718.4241
1276 1720.1212Oh yeah, that's what I told her, I said- like we were looking at the rental house. She's like, oh my god. I said, don't worry.1724.9866
1278 1725.2135I'm buying a house. You won't have to (laughing)1726.6129 
1280 1726.9635look for a rental property. Like, [it's a pain.]1729.0011 
1281ROC_int_011728.4385[Mm-hm.]1728.9065
1282 1729.5967Yeah.1730.0128
1283ROC_se0_ag2_f_021730.1120Mm-hm.1730.5990
1284ROC_int_011730.8212Yeah. So do you like the school that, uh, /RD-NAME-2/'s at right now?1734.3251
1285ROC_se0_ag2_f_021734.0320<ts>1734.0923
1286 1734.4846I used to love it,1735.8863
1288 1736.0376but there's been so1737.5350 
1290 1737.6493much change1739.2141 
1292 1739.3748in the district1740.5331 
1294 1741.0815and the school, and what they can and can't do. It's-1745.1857 
1296 1745.3465it's different,1746.3345 
1298 1746.8782and I1748.0979 
1300 1748.2208want to pull her out of public school so bad.1750.5845 
1301ROC_int_011750.7603I was gonna ask, like, are you thinking of [keeping her through til-]1753.7149
1302ROC_se0_ag2_f_021752.5851[Yeah, she won't be there] for long. /RD-NAME-1/ is, um, talking crap to me. She's like, you gotta let her finish with her friends because1759.1240
1303 1759.4596she has two more years, this year, fifth grade, and the next year sixth grade.1762.8926
1305 1763.3370But I think after fifth grade, she might be, um, done1766.1404 
1307 1766.2680at /RD-SCHOOL-3/. I w- don't wanna separate her from her friends, but1769.4410 
1309 1770.3818it was just things that happened last year because /RD-NAME-2/ got one of the laziest teachers in the school,1775.5923 
1310ROC_int_011775.6853Mm.1775.9189
1311ROC_se0_ag2_f_021776.1501and I was just like-1777.2847
1313 1777.7858like I would have questions about the report card,1780.2205 
1315 1780.5239and she's telling me like,1781.2141 
1317 1781.3701oh maybe you misunderstood.1782.8214 
1319 1784.0222Who?1784.4855 
1321 1784.6597I said, oh.1785.5177 
1323 1785.8687I said, I don't misunderstand anything.1788.0906 
1325 1788.8612I went to school to be a teacher. W- I can understand that if she has-1792.3036 
1327 1792.6629you're giving her outstanding effort-1794.7194 
1329 1795.0787or outstanding grade, but she has a low number score or something because it's no A's and B's for the littles.1800.4074 
1331 1800.8281They do one through nine, outstanding, satisfactory, needs improvement. It's weird how they do the report card.1806.7289 
1333 1807.1591But it wasn't- it wasn't adding up, cause you're saying she's doing1810.5306 
1335 1810.8852not so well1812.1852 
1337 1812.9416in social studies,1813.9486 
1339 1814.1755but you gave her a outstanding.1815.7154 
1341 1816.3320But1816.7918 
1343 1816.8911you also didn't- don't send home any social studies homework or work, and you don't do it in class, because I'm the parent who,1823.9130 
1345 1824.1730how was your day? What'd you do in class? Who'd you eat with? What was this? What was that? Like, I'm asking questions,1828.8115 
1347 1829.1471and I'm1829.5159 
1349 1829.7522sh- they never do social studies, so how did you grade her on some work that was never done?1834.7642 
1351 1836.0831And then at the end of the year,1837.3888 
1353 1837.8284her math teacher-1838.9347 
1355 1839.2088math and science teacher never submitted his grades,1841.8420 
1357 1842.1068so she gave all the kids down the line the average grade.1845.2183 
1359 1845.5681So it looks like /RD-NAME-2/ went from a nine1847.3977 
1361 1847.5395to a six in math.1849.0909 
1363 1849.4550That's unacceptable because if I pull her to another school,1851.9936 
1365 1852.2773they look at1852.9060 
1367 1853.0113fourth1853.5679 
1369 1853.6908and fifth grade the most.1855.0078 
1371 1855.5751[So, what-]1856.3431 
1372ROC_int_011855.6429[Mm-hm.]1856.2362
1373ROC_se0_ag2_f_021856.4118what are you doing?1856.9413
1375 1857.6721Yeah.1858.0929 
1376ROC_int_011858.5278Yeah.1858.9296
1377ROC_se0_ag2_f_021858.9986So that turned me off from the school completely, and I even told the principal because I have a rapport with her cause /RD-NAME-2/'s been there since kindergarten.1866.1332
1379 1866.7868And I told her, I said, these teachers lazy.1868.7487 
1381 1869.3917Said she's not doing-1870.2710 
1383 1870.7721You sent the same homework, and they don't even get1873.5149 
1385 1873.8883a packet of homework. They don't have their own books.1876.7201 
1387 1877.3449This is homework, like two pages front and back.1880.7440 
1389 1881.0702You sent the same packet home three weeks,1883.3550 
1391 1883.5051son.1883.9461 
1392ROC_int_011884.3472[Mm.]1884.6923
1393ROC_se0_ag2_f_021884.4748[Like] three1885.4097
1394 1885.5255weeks, the same thing, no changes.1888.4459
1396 1889.1125Oh, I said, why does she keep giving you this?1891.0063 
1398 1891.2994Because some kids didn't do it.1892.5994 
1400 1892.9690So you gonna keep giving it to the entire [class?]1896.0135 
1401ROC_int_011895.8433[Right.]1896.3113
1402ROC_se0_ag2_f_021897.0488It's been1897.6776
1404 1897.9234just slack,1898.5055 
1406 1899.0919[just slack.]1900.3116 
1407ROC_int_011899.2479[Yeah.]1899.6450
1408ROC_se0_ag2_f_021900.6472And I understand it might be hard. I guess her father was sick, but1903.9801
1410 1904.4907bruh,1905.0210 
1412 1905.1770take a sabbatical. Like, take a leave if you need to because these kids are suffering, like /RD-NAME-4/1910.9965 
1414 1911.3046a smart kid, so she was able to do really well in all the state tests and everything, but1915.9990 
1416 1916.7791I just see the laziness of the teacher, like1919.2571 
1418 1919.6731you got kids taking pictures of you so you can post 'em on Facebook?1922.7602 
1419ROC_int_011923.3708No.1923.8483
1420ROC_se0_ag2_f_021924.2560<cough> When /RD-NAME-4/ told me that, I was like, she did what?1926.5938
1422 1927.6350Excuse me?1928.3859 
1424 1929.8436Yeah.1930.1840 
1425ROC_int_011931.0680I can't.1931.6684
1426ROC_se0_ag2_f_021931.6956Mm-hm.1932.2274
1428 1932.4401<ts>1932.4851 
1430 1932.5628So I don't think she will be th- Because I've gone to1935.2688 
1432 1935.6328city schools,1936.3845 
1434 1936.5688private schools, and suburban schools,1938.3404 
1436 1938.8152so I know the difference. I know the shift. And even when I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, like there were some great teachers. I remember all of my teachers1946.1720 
1438 1946.8575in elementary school1948.1386 
1440 1948.4317because they had that much of an impact. But to get1951.6945 
1442 1952.0822to see- I don't want my child to fall in the wastelands1955.3820 
1444 1955.8736learning because of a lazy teacher, [or to get] turned off from education from a lazy teacher.1960.8383 
1445ROC_int_011957.9498[Mm-hm.]1958.4178
1446 1961.1361Right.1961.5569
1447ROC_se0_ag2_f_021961.7090[Yeah, mm-hm.]1962.6128
1448ROC_int_011962.1770[Right. So]1962.9334
1449ROC_se0_ag2_f_021963.0185[<clears throat>]1963.5669
1450ROC_int_011963.2501[do you think] you'll1964.1448
1451 1964.2346move her then to-1965.2889
1452ROC_se0_ag2_f_021965.7604Now, I've been doing my research. For middle school, Aquinas is fairly cheap.1970.3611
1454 1970.7818Bishop Kearney I can afford. And they're both really good schools.1974.0674 
1456 1974.5268Or I'm tryna be in the suburbs somewhere because I don't do urban suburban.1979.0038 
1457ROC_int_011979.5190[Yeah.]1979.7602
1458ROC_se0_ag2_f_021979.6609[I] don't like it.1980.3404
1459 1981.2738I don't like it at all.1982.1815
1461 1982.3753So I wouldn't-1983.2499 
1463 1983.6612I would never do that1984.8288 
1465 1985.1314<clears throat>1985.5711 
1467 1985.8886to her1986.5647 
1469 1987.4771because I know how people act with it from when I was teaching and in the schools, how they treat- I-1992.7774 
1471 1992.9476I know they treat the kids differently.1994.5502 
1472ROC_int_011994.7109[Yeah.]1995.1175
1473ROC_se0_ag2_f_021994.9757[And my] nephew was in urban suburban, and they assume that1997.9256
1474 1998.4559he has some1999.4392
1476 1999.5952broke ass parent who just got lucky, and my sister, like I said, she has a master's in social work.2004.8247 
1478 2005.6756She's a professional. She works for the government, like2007.9023 
1480 2008.1764<clears throat> she2009.0080 
1482 2009.5427went to the school a few times, and they're like, who are- hi, how can we help? She's like, I'm /RD-NAME-2/'s mom.2014.4175 
1484 2015.1030Oh.2015.7838 
1486 2016.4748Cause he's in urban suburban. Like, oh.2017.9593 
1487ROC_int_012018.6967Mm.2018.9520
1488ROC_se0_ag2_f_022018.9993Yeah.2019.5477
1490 2019.9495So [it's- yeah I don't] like it.2021.6044 
1491ROC_int_012020.2476[Yeah.]2021.0016
1492 2022.0858Yeah. So it's kind of- yeah. I don't like that either [/by the sounds of it/.]2025.5644
1493ROC_se0_ag2_f_022024.8514[Yeah, I tell]2025.4557
1494 2025.5857everybody, like2027.4164
1496 2027.6717told your sister like, no. I don't want her to do urban suburban.2030.3030 
1498 2030.6055She's like, well West Irondequoit. I said, no.2032.4445 
1500 2033.0032Mm-mm.2033.4712 
1502 2034.3411Move out there then.2035.2866 
1504 2035.7971That's how I really feel, like2036.8230 
1506 2037.1586if you want your kid to get the2039.1868 
1508 2039.2671best experience, you don't want them looked at differently, like2042.0808 
1510 2042.4529you live in the inner city, but your kid in Pittsford.2044.9262 
1512 2045.5407Your kid is on- you know what I'm saying, like2047.3041 
1513ROC_int_012047.4790No, I agree. I [told her I didn't want her at] any of those schools [because] it's [like, they're gonna know] she's different and [she's not] coming from the same2054.9162
1514ROC_se0_ag2_f_022048.4954I don't like it.2049.3404
1516 2050.6634[Mm-hm.]2051.2118 
1518 2051.4415[<clears throat>]2052.3539 
1520 2053.2521[Mm-hm]2053.7910 
1521ROC_int_012055.6403econom- socioeconomic [class.]2057.7015
1522ROC_se0_ag2_f_022057.4226[Mm-hm.]2057.9048
1523ROC_int_012058.1128You know and2058.8564
1524ROC_se0_ag2_f_022058.8550Yeah.2059.2663
1525ROC_int_012059.5925I'm afraid of what that will2061.3404
1527 2061.8909do to /RD-NAME-2/ cause [she's so sensitive.]2063.8149 
1528ROC_se0_ag2_f_022062.9214[Mm.]2063.4036
1530 2063.7724Yeah, she definitely is and that's something that I- I've known /RD-NAME-4/ since she was four2068.1461 
1531 2068.6567I wanna say.2069.5266
1533 2069.6359Oh, I'm getting old.2070.7179 
1535 2071.2237<clears throat>2071.6586 
1537 2072.1456And, um,2072.8027 
1539 2073.1108she's a bright girl,2074.3920 
1541 2074.6851and that's why I was so glad that she got into /RD-SCHOOL-4/ because I honestly-2078.6041 
1543 2078.9209You can't tell somebody to- what to do with their kids, but I was telling /RD-NAME-1/ like,2082.5004 
1545 2082.9684don't2083.2750 
1547 2083.3648do urban suburban for her.2084.9278 
1549 2085.0294Don't.2085.3404 
1550ROC_int_012085.3836[Mm-hm.]2085.8706
1551ROC_se0_ag2_f_022085.6389[<clears throat>]2086.2487
1552 2086.3386Please don't.2086.9862
1554 2087.6150[And, um],2088.3241 
1555ROC_int_012087.6388[Mm-hm.]2088.1376
1556ROC_se0_ag2_f_022088.9381it worked out.2089.4723
1558 2089.6236[<laugh>]2090.5266 
1559ROC_int_012089.9214[Yeah, I know.] I'm so happy it worked out [the way] it did. (laughing)2093.5285
1560ROC_se0_ag2_f_022092.2048[Mm-hm.]2092.7674
1561 2093.6136Like my friend, she's a nurse.2095.1225
1563 2095.5952She owns her house in the nineteenth ward, beautiful house. Her son went to private school for years.2099.7318 
1565 2100.0872His private school closed,2101.8174 
1567 2102.1484so she sent him to urban suburban, and he got put2104.6461 
1569 2104.7737at Pittsford.2105.5096 
1571 2107.0252Nasty.2107.7296 
1573 2107.9187The kids are2108.5521 
1575 2108.8414nasty as hell.2110.1792 
1577 2111.1342Nasty.2112.1600 
1578ROC_int_012112.3350Mm-hm.2112.9826
1579ROC_se0_ag2_f_022113.4034And I told her, I was like,2114.8344
1581 2114.9573you need to look into something else. I said, why didn't you just keep him in a private school. She was like, oh I was thinking maybe I could get a break from tuition2121.7429 
1583 2122.0972because I've been paying tuition since he was in kindergarten.2124.6595 
1585 2125.1937And I was like, mm you don't get a break, I guess because2128.0904 
1587 2128.4754he is getting eaten alive by these white kids.2131.0802 
1589 2131.6853And2132.1108 
1591 2132.3519men, like he's a young man, like nobody deserves the ridicule.2136.1158 
1593 2136.4137And then not only were the white kids being jerks,2138.5647 
1595 2138.9381the black kids on the bus is being nasty.2141.0474 
1597 2141.5485So I'm like, huh,2142.3806 
1599 2142.9242what?2143.2457 
1601 2143.9690What is going on?2144.9941 
1602ROC_int_012145.0130[Mm-hm.]2145.4290
1603ROC_se0_ag2_f_022145.3368[Because] on the urban suburban2146.9631
1604 2147.0683buses2147.6450
1606 2147.9929if you're2148.7304 
1608 2148.9384<clears throat> like say2149.7988 
1610 2150.1155Pittsford district, they pick up the kindergarteners,2152.8300 
1612 2153.1372the middle schoolers, and the high schoolers on the same bus.2155.7468 
1614 2156.7018So2157.2549 
1616 2157.5914you got this boy getting picked on by2159.7849 
1618 2160.1064high school [kids.]2161.0944 
1619ROC_int_012160.9431[Mm.]2161.3261
1620ROC_se0_ag2_f_022161.3686No. It's- no.2162.4512
1622 2163.3731I ain't with it.2163.8742 
1623ROC_int_012164.3147Yeah.2164.7259
1624ROC_se0_ag2_f_022165.1278I am not.2165.8322
1626 2166.1064And I feel like2166.8722 
1628 2167.8792if you are an involved parent2170.0546 
1630 2170.2437with your kid's education, they're gonna be successful2172.6548 
1632 2172.7647wherever they are. It's just the element and the environment that I want changed. Like, in /RD-SCHOOL-3/ they're getting kicked out of their building for her sixth grade year.2181.6283 
1634 2182.0788Who knows, like2182.9156 
1636 2183.1670if they're at Franklin, she ain't going there.2184.9162 
1637ROC_int_012185.3085[Mm-hm.]2185.8286
1638ROC_se0_ag2_f_022185.6347[If they're] at2186.2605
1639 2186.3397a high school, she's not going there2187.9465
1641 2188.2774because she's in sixth grade. Like, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-4/,2191.1620 
1643 2191.6350and we rode the bus sixth grade with the high schoolers. The high schoolers like, hey what's up.2196.1219 
1645 2196.7271Like grown men trying to talk to kids. So, I ain't with that.2199.6392 
1646ROC_int_012199.6912Yeah,2200.4429
1648 2200.5279I've never [heard about] that. (laughing)2202.3697 
1649ROC_se0_ag2_f_022200.9846[<clears throat>]2201.4715
1650 2202.5210Yeah.2202.8897
1651ROC_int_012203.2065[Yeah.]2203.9109
1652ROC_se0_ag2_f_022203.6981[It was a] trip, like m-2204.8005
1653 2205.2638grown-2205.8252
1655 2205.9244grown boys used to be buying lunch all the time. I ain't never have to spend no money,2209.4949 
1657 2209.8589but I was young so I ain't think nothing of it, like, oh let me walk you to class. Oh2212.9940 
1659 2213.7930oh let me /?/2214.3083 
1661 2214.7148Okay, whatever.2215.5941 
1663 2216.0243Then one of 'em was like, yeah she's so pretty, da da da. But you're- you have a full beard and mustache, [son.] (laughing)2220.8803 
1664ROC_int_012220.5352[<laugh>]2221.0883
1665 2221.2821[<laugh>]2221.8049
1666ROC_se0_ag2_f_022221.6678[I] was what, like eleven in six grade? Twelve? Eleven. Yeah, I'm like,2226.2078
1667 2227.2112what?2227.7966
1669 2227.8807So yeah I don't want her in that element, that environment. Like I li- I didn't like when the city school district- they got rid of2233.8872 
1671 2234.0110most of the middle schools, if not all of them.2236.1478 
1673 2236.9278Think that that was the biggest mistake they made. Like, let these kids be kids for a little while longer.2241.9039 
1675 2242.7312Yeah.2243.1898 
1676ROC_int_012243.2474Yeah.2243.7012
1677ROC_se0_ag2_f_022244.0132[Mm-hm.]2244.5427
1678ROC_int_012244.1361[Yeah, no], I-2245.2660
1679 2246.2209I'm not a big fan of combining,2248.3152
1680ROC_se0_ag2_f_022248.5374[Yeah.]2249.0680
1681ROC_int_012248.9326[um], for those reasons. [Yeah that makes] sense.2251.4712
1682ROC_se0_ag2_f_022250.4643[Mm-hm.]2251.0032
1683ROC_int_012251.8211Yeah.2252.1670
1684ROC_se0_ag2_f_022252.2048It's too much.2253.2401
1685ROC_int_012253.5711It- it really is,2254.7955
1687 2255.0366and [it's] gotta be overwhelming2256.7905 
1688ROC_se0_ag2_f_022255.3628[Mm.]2255.6464
1689ROC_int_012257.4570for the [kids to like] try to navigate.2259.5427
1690ROC_se0_ag2_f_022257.9392[Mm-hm.]2258.4687
1691 2260.1383Yeah.2260.5842
1693 2260.6631I remember my first day in /RD-SCHOOL-4/, like after orientation, (laughing)2265.0510 
1695 2265.8689then they're like2266.6584 
1697 2266.8522boop, okay. Orientation was BS. They didn't even really show you anything. They showed you the cafeteria, the theater, something.2273.6511 
1699 2274.1050I felt like they showed us all the new parts of the school.2276.6445 
1700ROC_int_012276.6248Mm.2276.8998
1701ROC_se0_ag2_f_022277.3205And then you get there the first day,2279.1689
1703 2279.6133you're like, where am I supposed to go? Oh my god. Like you wa- (laughing) walk into that big-2283.6467 
1705 2283.7129First of all,2284.3653 
1707 2284.6206we rode RTS buses.2286.0530 
1709 2286.3366[<laugh>]2286.7479 
1710ROC_int_012286.3603[Right.]2286.6770
1711ROC_se0_ag2_f_022287.1639Shock. <laugh>2287.8920
1713 2288.4317Second, like you get there,2290.2045 
1715 2290.4078well, on said bus, it's grown ass kids getting on was like, where is she going?2295.3224 
1717 2295.7243/RD-SCHOOL-4/. They just grown, like2297.7620 
1719 2298.2496they're in high school.2299.6395 
1720ROC_int_012299.6305Right.2299.9562
1721ROC_se0_ag2_f_022300.4112And then you get to the actual building. You're like, where in the holy hell2304.0873
1723 2304.1724am I suppo- what's-2305.1984 
1725 2305.3261what?2305.8130 
1726ROC_int_012306.0588Right.2306.4937
1727ROC_se0_ag2_f_022306.7660So it was a little bit of a shock, but my mom-2309.1581
1729 2309.3594Again, like by that point,2310.8911 
1731 2311.4868when I was at /RD-SCHOOL-4/, my sister had already moved out with my aunt and uncle cause she was being bad in school.2316.4184 
1733 2316.9999So she was going to the private school already.2319.1698 
1735 2319.7474So then, once I started acting up, cause I was being off the hook too,2323.7846 
1737 2324.1912we all just- my mom was like, alright.2326.1275 
1738ROC_int_012326.9170I'm done.2327.3614
1740 2327.6005<laugh>2327.7187 
1741ROC_se0_ag2_f_022327.8653I ain't playing2329.0188
1743 2329.1086with y'all [today.]2330.0588 
1744ROC_int_012329.6003[Yeah.]2329.9926
1745ROC_se0_ag2_f_022330.2850And we all went to2331.4326
1747 2331.5744the private school.2332.4442 
1748ROC_int_012332.6712Yeah.2333.0777
1749ROC_se0_ag2_f_022333.4370Mm-hm.2333.9949
1750ROC_int_012334.3211Well, I guess that's the way to go2336.0380
1751ROC_se0_ag2_f_022336.0805[Yeah, if you can afford it, yeah.]2338.3166
1752ROC_int_012336.3831[now- and here, /cause it looks like/ people] are going2339.0966
1753ROC_se0_ag2_f_022339.3992[Yeah it's-]2340.1509
1754ROC_int_012339.5079[or people are out] there for it, I [feel like]2341.4328
1755ROC_se0_ag2_f_022340.9270[Mm-hm.]2341.4076
1756ROC_int_012341.7531at, you [know,]2342.3559
1757ROC_se0_ag2_f_022342.1550[Yeah.]2342.6348
1758ROC_int_012343.1631the city school.2344.0046
1760 2344.1653But, um,2344.7704 
1761ROC_se0_ag2_f_022345.3027Mm.2345.5722
1762ROC_int_012345.6781I wanted to ask you a few questions [about] Rochester more [generally],2349.3522
1763ROC_se0_ag2_f_022347.2977[Mm-hm.]2347.6948
1765 2349.1509[Okay.]2349.5565 
1766ROC_int_012349.5744get your opinions.2350.7232
1768 2351.0305Um,2351.4796 
1770 2352.7871what are your, I guess, favorite aspects about Rochester as a city?2357.0663 
1771ROC_se0_ag2_f_022357.9752Oh my god. I'm'a have to call him back. Sorry, that's my uncle. I hope he bought the house.2361.5243
1773 2362.1350Um,2362.6645 
1775 2363.3452my favorite thing about Rochester is2366.0352 
1777 2366.6356it2366.8814 
1779 2367.2690can have the metropolitan feel and the small town feel2370.7670 
1781 2370.8734at the same time.2371.8839 
1783 2372.5174And I like it, like2373.6197 
1785 2374.2390it's part- Like I went to a park the other day,2377.4773 
1787 2378.0352Turning Point Park right off Lake Avenue.2379.8127 
1789 2380.0688I was born and raised here. I didn't know that park existed.2382.9100 
1791 2383.1748Like, the whole park is a pier.2384.4181 
1793 2385.3400The whole thing.2385.7607 
1795 2385.9365A pier.2386.3336 
1796ROC_int_012386.3856I probably don't know [about that.]2387.5318
1797ROC_se0_ag2_f_022387.2932[Beautiful.]2387.8322
1798 2388.2860See.2388.6028
1800 2388.9573There you go.2389.3733 
1802 2389.8414You're welcome.2390.3708 
1804 2390.4843No. [<laugh>]2391.0071 
1805ROC_int_012390.6573[<laugh>]2391.6028
1806ROC_se0_ag2_f_022392.2788Yeah, it was-2392.9784
1808 2393.1628it's like y- I- it's so many things to do here.2395.9481 
1810 2396.2980That's why when people be like, oh it's boring, it ain't nothing to do in Rochester,2400.2312 
1812 2400.6528there is a lot to do in Rochester. And with my job, I do structured day program, we go out2405.2574 
1814 2405.3756to2405.6923 
1816 2406.0790places that half the time I've never even heard of.2408.7424 
1818 2409.5527But,2409.8742 
1820 2410.0925I like Rochester.2411.2460 
1822 2411.3689If I- I don't see myself relocating2414.3472 
1824 2414.7390until2415.6231 
1826 2415.7696she's going to college, like I'll follow her where she go2418.1003 
1827ROC_int_012418.6155Yeah.2418.8842
1828ROC_se0_ag2_f_022418.8963cause I'm that type of person, [parent] rather. (laughing)2421.2451
1829ROC_int_012420.3044[Yeah.]2420.5389
1830 2421.9968/What's-/ yeah well /RD-NAME-1/ is too. [I think] would do the same thing.2425.6397
1831ROC_se0_ag2_f_022423.8386[Yeah.]2424.2877
1832 2425.7248Mm-hm.2426.2163
1833ROC_int_012426.2364Um,2426.6205
1835 2427.0903but,2427.4425 
1837 2427.7207okay, so when you say metropolitan, what pieces do you feel like, I guess are more metropolitan, and what's like that homey-2433.8535 
1839 2434.1225what gives you that sense of like a small town2436.3160 
1841 2436.7415homey [feel?]2437.2426 
1842ROC_se0_ag2_f_022437.1481[Well], the small town feel is ev-2439.2952
1843 2439.4921everybody knows everybody. S- you gonna find- like you can go to, let's say,2443.9565
1845 2444.7523a new job training.2445.8786 
1847 2446.0110You gonna find somebody who knows2448.1005 
1849 2448.2196you or somebody in your family.2450.3280 
1851 2450.9142And you can get anywhere in Rochester in like ten or fifteen minutes.2454.0769 
1853 2454.9570Now the metropolitan feel,2456.7310 
1855 2456.8208like the east2457.8702 
1857 2458.0003end area, it gives you that feel sometimes2461.8614 
1859 2462.3956until you go to a metropolitan area, like (laughing)2465.7332 
1861 2466.0783I went to Boston recently. I was like, oh lord.2468.4429 
1863 2468.9440Like,2469.2903 
1865 2469.3990[beautiful.]2470.1873 
1866ROC_int_012469.4723[Mm-hm.]2470.0159
1867ROC_se0_ag2_f_022470.6269But2471.1091
1869 2471.3124it used to be different here. I mean, you can2474.4098 
1871 2474.5752access stuff, and we get like-2477.0950 
1873 2477.5488we get nice concerts here, we have nice stuff here,2480.8920 
1875 2481.3742and we could have nicer things if people knew how to act.2484.1424 
1876ROC_int_012484.7638Yeah.2485.0427
1877ROC_se0_ag2_f_022485.1152[Yeah.]2485.4958
1878ROC_int_012485.3705[I] hear you.2485.8929
1879ROC_se0_ag2_f_022485.9000Mm-hm.2486.4011
1880ROC_int_012486.5814Okay, so,2487.6380
1882 2488.2585um,2488.8967 
1884 2489.1434w- I asked you about things that are like, you know, your favorite. [What about] things you dislike, or would like to see improved in the [city?]2496.2070 
1885ROC_se0_ag2_f_022492.2399[Mm-hm.]2492.5566
1887 2495.8873[<ts>]2496.0085 
1888 2496.6136In Rochester, what do I dislike?2498.6937
1890 2499.2563I don't know, I think2500.1620 
1892 2500.4031the narrow-mindedness of2502.4454 
1894 2502.6061the citizens of Rochester.2504.3553 
1896 2505.1456They don't2505.6609 
1898 2505.7885think outside of Rochester. Like, people would rather spend2509.4429 
1900 2509.5894four, five hundred dollars to have2511.6453 
1902 2511.8925a party2512.7955 
1904 2513.2020here in Rochester where2514.6675 
1906 2515.0533you don't take a trip. I know grown people who have never been on a airplane, and that's just preposterous to me, like what?2522.0177 
1908 2522.4431You've never flown anywhere?2523.9559 
1910 2524.3152Like I2525.0685 
1912 2525.1583try to- like, we went on family vacations every summer,2528.2162 
1914 2528.4479and I try to do the same thing with my child. So you can see, it's things outside of Rochester. Like I'll never forget, her first trip was to-2535.0530 
1916 2535.5777well the- her first trip that she could remember,2537.4073 
1918 2537.6978I took her to Ocean City, Maryland2539.3012 
1920 2539.4336and Baltimore. She was like, I wanna move here. Like I l- she was four, like I- can we stay? I was like, we don't live here. (laughing)2546.0994 
1922 2546.4303This is vacation. It's just like,2547.9999 
1924 2548.4868people don't show their kids other things, so the generations up b-2551.8678 
1926 2552.4020under them are growing up very like2554.9690 
1928 2555.3756narrow-minded and not2556.6000 
1930 2556.8088thinking outside the [box],2558.1940 
1931ROC_int_012558.0521[Mm-hm.]2558.6194
1932ROC_se0_ag2_f_022558.8074just staying2559.6784
1934 2560.0932complacent2560.8496 
1936 2561.3330in the same thing, not knowing anything different.2563.8205 
1937ROC_int_012564.6762Yeah.2565.0638
1938ROC_se0_ag2_f_022565.0827Mm-hm.2565.6033
1939ROC_int_012565.5649And would you say that2566.9359
1940 2567.5836this is a diverse city?2569.0633
1941ROC_se0_ag2_f_022570.0533<ts>2570.2093
1943 2571.0591Um,2572.6759 
1945 2573.7991I don't know.2574.6169 
1947 2574.7351Mayb-2575.0471 
1949 2575.2551I don't know,2575.9406 
1951 2576.5079because2577.2029 
1953 2577.8685for it to be diverse, I mean yes our mayor is black,2581.3156 
1955 2581.4338but2581.8309 
1957 2582.2802I kind of think that was happenstance, cause I'd never heard of her until she was running for mayor. I don't know if you have the same experience, but2589.0695 
1958ROC_int_012589.0695Yeah, [/I don't really-/]2589.8535
1959ROC_se0_ag2_f_022589.4005[I ain't know who] the hell she was. I did not vote for her.2592.0534
1960 2592.5829Um, (laughing)2593.5284
1962 2594.0058and it's like-2595.4099 
1964 2596.0379I wouldn't call it diverse. We have2598.8543 
1966 2599.0528minorities in2600.1024 
1968 2600.2123powerful positions, but it's like2602.1124 
1970 2602.8500I don't know-2604.0036 
1972 2604.8695I didn't know who they were, or they weren't2607.9063 
1974 2608.4137advocating or2610.2520 
1976 2610.6302making theirself be known in the black community until it was time to vote.2614.8802 
1977ROC_int_012615.5444[Mm.]2615.7053
1978ROC_se0_ag2_f_022615.5518[/So/] I wouldn't call it diverse.2617.6607
1979 2618.8142I wouldn't call it diverse.2620.0150
1981 2620.2684I don't think it is.2621.1193 
1983 2621.5731It's2621.8804 
1985 2622.2114m-2622.3674 
1987 2622.4446seriously like black2623.6336 
1989 2623.8557or white. Like2624.9620 
1991 2625.5167I don't think Rochester's very [diverse.]2627.4833 
1992ROC_int_012627.3462[Mm.]2627.7812
1993 2627.9797Okay.2628.4997
1995 2628.9894And, um, do you-2630.5022 
1997 2630.7575are you also thinking about that with relation to like this2633.4833 
1999 2633.6724city versus suburb kind of-2636.3035 
2000ROC_se0_ag2_f_022637.3985[Mm-hm.]2637.9233
2001ROC_int_012637.4398[/?/ yeah, /okay/.]2638.4441
2002ROC_se0_ag2_f_022638.1851[Yeah], I don't think it-2639.7575
2003 2640.0856it really is, like I lived in Greece for three years.2642.6814
2005 2643.0667I'll never forget because- you're gonna laugh. (laughing)2645.2063 
2007 2645.7121The day I voted for Barack Obama the first time, [I was] followed by a Greece police officer2651.9924 
2008ROC_int_012649.1744[Mm-hm.]2649.5232
2009ROC_se0_ag2_f_022652.4014from the moment I got in-2654.1694
2011 2654.2833into the town because I was driving /RD-NAME-4/'s dad's truck,2657.6828 
2013 2658.1190because my car was in the shop.2659.9708 
2015 2660.1241He had a black jeep with black rims and black tint.2662.8992 
2017 2663.4334They followed me. I went from like up this way2666.5874 
2019 2667.2067to the grocery store when Wegmans was on Dewey,2669.5799 
2021 2670.3552to Little Caesars to get a pizza,2671.9973 
2023 2672.0894to the church to vote,2673.3013 
2025 2673.4443and then to the- my apartment.2675.0233 
2027 2675.3294And the officer followed me the whole time, and then when he see me get out I was like, are you following me?2680.5635 
2029 2680.9117He was like, yeah I was just seeing, da da. I was like, what were you seeing? I was like, I live out here.2686.4740 
2031 2686.8814I was like, you wanna see my license? He was like, no, have a good day. He literally followed me, and I was like2692.2707 
2033 2692.6788in Wegmans shopping for a while,2694.6939 
2035 2695.3259and Little Caesars for a minute, in the church voting for a minute, and he was2699.5499 
2037 2699.8146every step of the way like right behind me.2701.6572 
2038ROC_int_012702.4439Oh [man.]2703.5596
2039ROC_se0_ag2_f_022703.3043[Mm-hm.]2703.7676
2040ROC_int_012704.0655So do you-2704.8266
2042 2704.9353what do you feel about I guess, uh,2706.8641 
2044 2707.2376the police force here? I feel like2708.9970 
2046 2709.5738tensions have been rising especially this summer with [like the protests and-]2713.5855 
2047ROC_se0_ag2_f_022712.3205[The summer- yeah it's been] crazy but becau- <exhale> like I went-2715.7979
2048 2715.9674again, I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/ and /RD-SCHOOL-2/.2717.7874
2050 2718.1656A lot of the police I personally know, like I've either went to middle- I mean high school or el- or college with them.2725.2687 
2052 2725.6564So I have never had2727.8639 
2054 2728.0152a negative2729.0413 
2056 2729.4818encounter with2730.5076 
2058 2731.1541any2731.6859 
2060 2731.7805law enforcement, not-2733.2602 
2062 2734.2863I don't know.2734.8630 
2064 2735.1230And I thi-2735.5852 
2066 2735.6748I've never had a negative2737.1189 
2068 2737.2985encounter,2738.1258 
2070 2738.6647even getting pulled over, I've gotten out of tickets by just keeping it real like2743.0148 
2072 2743.4450I don't drive illegally. Oh, you s- you turned right when you weren't supposed to. Oh I'm sorry I didn't know that. Is that a new sign? Oh yeah it is, okay,2751.3029 
2074 2751.6433be careful, have a nice- Like,2753.0237 
2076 2753.4114I don't- I've never had-2754.9336 
2078 2755.3174never had a negative experience. And it's crazy because2758.1775 
2080 2759.0096my y- younger life like all of my mother's brothers2763.3124 
2082 2763.4731and nephews (laughing)2764.7117 
2084 2765.3405sell drugs,2766.2245 
2086 2766.5232notoriously known by the police force2769.6433 
2088 2769.7300for being drug dealers.2770.8914 
2090 2771.2459But as I got older2772.4845 
2092 2773.2938I went to school with kids who are now police officers.2776.1255 
2094 2776.4281My last name happens to be /RD-NAME-2/,2778.1923 
2096 2778.4759but my mother's, their last name is notorious in Rochester for it.2782.8110 
2097ROC_int_012783.8085[Oh.]2784.3939
2098ROC_se0_ag2_f_022784.1820[Yeah] it's-2784.7887
2099 2785.3300it's a trip.2785.8949
2101 2786.3433So I see both2787.2793 
2103 2787.8466ends of it,2788.9008 
2105 2789.5107and I've never- I- I've never had a negative experience.2792.7215 
2106ROC_int_012793.0098Okay.2793.5157
2108 2794.2390Okay. [W-]2795.0332 
2109ROC_se0_ag2_f_022794.7543[Besides] the cop following me in Greece,2796.5838
2110ROC_int_012796.7343[Right.]2797.1669
2111ROC_se0_ag2_f_022796.8029[but he] backed down when I was like, what's up?2798.3738
2112 2798.6243<laugh> What's the problem? (laughing)2799.7934
2113ROC_int_012800.4884Yeah.2800.8402
2114ROC_se0_ag2_f_022800.8470[Mm-hm.]2801.2637
2115ROC_int_012801.0045[Okay.] That's good.2802.1184
2116 2802.4635Um,2802.9697
2118 2803.6008so I wanted to also turn2805.5107 
2120 2805.7594to some more language related questions.2808.6325 
2121ROC_se0_ag2_f_022808.6353[Mm-hm.]2808.9870
2122ROC_int_012808.7503[Um],2809.1048
2123 2809.5808as you may or may not know, I study dialects [across]2813.0318
2124ROC_se0_ag2_f_022812.4787[Mm-hm.]2812.9514
2125ROC_int_012813.3399Rochester,2814.3894
2127 2814.7534and so2815.6753 
2129 2816.2379[one of the things] I'm interested in that I ask people who live here is whether or not they, um,2821.3586 
2130ROC_se0_ag2_f_022816.3892[Sorry.]2816.9517
2131ROC_int_012821.9779think that Rochesterians2823.6892
2133 2823.8547talk a certain [way.]2825.1080 
2134ROC_se0_ag2_f_022824.7746[<laugh>] Oh my [goodness.]2826.1786
2135ROC_int_012825.6113[Right, so when you go] out of town and somebody hears you talk,2828.7248
2136ROC_se0_ag2_f_022826.2826[Uh-huh.]2826.6750
2137ROC_int_012829.2165what's maybe like the first thing they'll say?2831.2170
2138ROC_se0_ag2_f_022831.5109A lot of people assume I'm from down south.2834.7910
2140 2835.8027They- I guess2836.9987 
2142 2837.4156we have a southern drawl to our speech,2840.3797 
2144 2840.9706but, um,2842.0070 
2146 2842.6142I don't hear it because I'm so used to it but2845.3207 
2148 2845.8077we were in- where were we? Vegas.2847.7270 
2150 2848.0910And they're like, where are you from? We're like, oh we're from New York. They're like, really? (laughing) <laugh>2852.1764 
2152 2853.2401Really? I said, yeah. He's like, oh I thought y'all was from the Carolinas or something. I was like, no we're from New York.2859.0557 
2154 2859.3772And then we met s- a guy, a- um, he was a bartender. He was from Syracuse,2863.8313 
2156 2864.2142and he was like, oh where are you guys from? And we told him too, /it's/ like Rochester. He's like, really? Oh.2869.1194 
2158 2869.5543Like, even from2870.7654 
2160 2870.9923Rochester to Syracuse, they think we talk funny.2873.0630 
2161ROC_int_012873.7484Wow.2874.2212
2162ROC_se0_ag2_f_022874.2543[Mm-hm.]2874.6750
2163ROC_int_012874.3016[That's] really interesting.2875.8994
2164 2876.1736I've heard the southern thing. I haven't [heard the Syracuse] thing,2879.5499
2165ROC_se0_ag2_f_022878.1836[Mm-hm.]2878.5997
2166ROC_int_012879.8714but for the southern thing,2881.4929
2168 2882.6378I'm wondering how much the fact that, you know, so many people2886.4765 
2170 2886.5899have moved here from the South, [like our parents] and [stuff are] not native,2890.2640 
2171ROC_se0_ag2_f_022888.0791[Mm.]2888.5376
2173 2888.8552[Mm-hm.]2889.3374 
2174 2890.3964Yeah.2890.8029
2175ROC_int_012891.1291um, or grandparents I should say,2893.0816
2177 2893.5118um,2893.9562 
2179 2894.2170how much that affects2895.5218 
2181 2896.2262the [perception of]2897.1150 
2182ROC_se0_ag2_f_022896.6091[Yeah.]2897.0677
2183ROC_int_012897.3702you know,2897.8335
2184ROC_se0_ag2_f_022897.8997Mm-hm.2898.4158
2185ROC_int_012898.4241people's speech. Are- is your mother originally from Rochester?2900.9929
2186ROC_se0_ag2_f_022901.0323She was born in a little town2903.8652
2188 2904.0023in /RD-ADDRESS-2/, Georgia,2905.7306 
2190 2906.4161and everybody there- if we- if we go- because, uh, we have family members that go every year2910.9601 
2192 2911.3241we're related to every damn body in this little baby town, like it's a very small town. And they came up there2917.8441 
2194 2918.5343f- with, um, my mother's oldest sister, she passed. Her husband2922.4211 
2196 2922.9222came up here2923.9197 
2198 2924.1467to sell drugs2924.9976 
2200 2925.2726so he moved2926.2134 
2202 2926.4025the whole- my grandmother, like my aunt said,2928.8419 
2204 2929.2201I'm not going without my family,2931.1158 
2206 2931.3663so he moved my grandmother and all her kids up here in order to get his wife to come up th- here with him.2936.9267 
2207ROC_int_012937.3522[Wow.]2937.9175
2208ROC_se0_ag2_f_022937.6622[And],2938.2295
2209 2938.8677he started n- the- the drug thing2941.0101
2210ROC_int_012941.0487[Mm.]2941.7271
2211ROC_se0_ag2_f_022941.2039[up here.]2941.6531
2212 2942.5607He just passed away, and he was still selling drugs2944.9103
2214 2945.2223in his seventies.2946.1111 
2215ROC_int_012946.3388/Wow/. (whispered)2946.9108
2216ROC_se0_ag2_f_022947.1614Oh [yes.]2947.6767
2217ROC_int_012947.5349[How?]2948.2014
2218ROC_se0_ag2_f_022948.7498I don't know, man.2949.4022
2220 2949.8513Pills.2950.4895 
2222 2950.8630<laugh>2951.1845 
2223ROC_int_012951.2270Yeah, [/inaudible/ <laugh>]2953.2673
2224ROC_se0_ag2_f_022952.0732[What- <laugh> what's it] called? The b- the- for guys?2955.2954
2225 2955.4940What's it [called?]2956.2208
2226ROC_int_012955.9203[Oh], the [Viagra.] (laughing)2957.4000
2227ROC_se0_ag2_f_022957.1069[Yeah.] (laughing) [/??/]2958.3455
2228ROC_int_012957.7356[Yeah.] (laughing)2958.3077
2229ROC_se0_ag2_f_022958.5960Let's get it popping. (laughing)2959.5226
2230ROC_int_012959.8632[Right.]2960.2438
2231ROC_se0_ag2_f_022960.0121[Yup.] He, um,2961.1704
2232 2961.7062he- my mom's family is from n- /RD-ADDRESS-2/, Georgia, and my dad's family is from2967.0727
2234 2967.4414North Carolina. They're from Charlotte,2969.2142 
2236 2969.8335and half- most of them are white. My dad's w- biracial. Most of them are white.2974.2356 
2238 2975.1008They still like2976.1786 
2240 2976.9634plantation.2977.6583 
2242 2977.9278Like, they still have the house,2979.0916 
2244 2979.3800and all of the family live in trailers on the land.2981.9092 
2245ROC_int_012982.7318Wow.2983.4361
2246ROC_se0_ag2_f_022983.5504S- it's so2984.1981
2247ROC_int_012984.4092[And do you go] visit them, [or?]2985.9202
2248ROC_se0_ag2_f_022984.4767[messed up.]2984.9673
2250 2985.6509[We] used to go in the summer, but as we got older,2988.6864 
2251 2989.1036my aunt didn't want us down there because now that we're older, like you can hang with your older cousins and they doing ratchet things, and she didn't want us- (laughing) they didn't want us doing ratchet things.2998.1887
2253 2998.5318And my mother's so2999.5671 
2255 2999.8366like, narrow minded to travel. She hated when we went out of town, and she said she didn't sleep.3005.4414 
2257 3006.3878Like, w- because we would always go with my aunt and uncle, she wouldn't get any sleep.3010.6709 
2259 3011.2902I remember our first time in Florida,3012.8180 
2261 3013.0780we came back, and she's like,3014.6853 
2263 3015.3850why y'all so dark? Oh my god. And da da da da. Y'all ain't going back. Like, she was very weird.3020.9851 
2265 3021.6667Yeah, she's weird.3022.5271 
2267 3023.3071She [didn't like] it.3024.1202 
2268ROC_int_013023.3950[<laugh>]3023.8224
2269 3024.5977Right. [I feel like] that's a thing though.3026.3752
2270ROC_se0_ag2_f_023024.8814[Yeah.]3025.3683
2271ROC_int_013026.8685[/?/ woulda] been like, you getting dark, [/you know/.]3029.2098
2272ROC_se0_ag2_f_023026.9122[Mm-hm.]3027.2904
2274 3028.5621[Yeah she told] me, like, w- she was like, ever since that- y'all was going to Florida in the summer,3033.6024 
2275 3033.9759y'all skin ain't been the same. I was like, (laughing)3036.5201
2277 3036.9409whatchu mean? (laughing)3038.2551 
2279 3038.6617We're- I'm black,3039.5363 
2281 3039.7301man. What do you [mean?]3041.0254 
2282ROC_int_013040.8032[Right.]3041.3563
2283ROC_se0_ag2_f_023041.8772Yeah, even- I remember we were in- me and /RD-NAME-2/ were in Marshalls. She was like3046.1461
2285 3046.4534three or four in the cart, and she was talking.3048.8180 
2287 3049.3569This nice couple, black couple, they were like, oh my god she's so cute. Where is she from? I was like, we're from here.3055.0780 
2289 3055.4514They're like we're visiting from so and so. He's like, she has a Southern accent. I was like, really? (laughing)3060.3775 
2290ROC_int_013060.7565[Really?] Ugh.3062.3449
2291ROC_se0_ag2_f_023061.3143[Mm-hm.]3061.8013
2292 3062.6475A lot of people think we have a Southern accent. A lot of people think Rochester is country.3067.0969
2294 3067.8344Think it's [country.]3068.3969 
2295ROC_int_013068.0897[And I've] heard that, and [I- I-] I guess I don't know what features or what exactly- I'm like, is it certain words? [You know] is it,3076.3588
2296ROC_se0_ag2_f_023069.3850[Mm-hm.]3069.8057
2298 3075.5079[Mm-hm.]3075.9097 
2299ROC_int_013076.9734um,3077.6542
2301 3078.8889certain, you know, pronunciations of [things?]3081.9192 
2302ROC_se0_ag2_f_023081.8294[Mm-hm.]3082.2265
2303ROC_int_013082.1319[Yeah.]3082.6425
2304 3082.9592That's one of the things I'm really curious to3085.1158
2306 3086.0282uncover, sort [of like, what is this?]3088.2974 
2307ROC_se0_ag2_f_023086.9595[Yeah, that would be interesting.]3088.5858
2308 3089.0585Because it-3089.6022
2310 3089.8725assume like I- even like I w-3091.5176 
2312 3092.1558work with people from the city and went to college with people from the city, and they think we talk3096.7423 
2314 3096.9929funny, and they talk crazy3098.6333 
2315ROC_int_013098.7042Yeah.3099.2195
2316ROC_se0_ag2_f_023099.2715to me.3099.8814
2317ROC_int_013100.6661[Yeah] they- yeah I've gotten that espes-3102.7423
2318ROC_se0_ag2_f_023100.8316[Like-]3101.2429
2319ROC_int_013102.9267when I've gone out of town, definitely people from the city3105.0871
2321 3105.4701and definitely, um,3107.0112 
2323 3108.5627folks like just in conferences, I feel like, when we would go and like3112.2737 
2325 3112.6283Pennsylvania and stuff like that,3114.4660 
2326ROC_se0_ag2_f_023114.4370They talk [funny.]3115.5527
2327ROC_int_013114.9617[Pittsburgh.] Yeah [and they'd be like],3116.5407
2328ROC_se0_ag2_f_023115.8174[They definitely] talk [funny and, um-]3117.9806
2329ROC_int_013117.1817[we thought y'all was from] the South.3118.5668
2330ROC_se0_ag2_f_023118.8930Yeah. <laugh>3120.5835
2331ROC_int_013120.8577I'm like,3121.4108
2333 3121.6500you know [what I mean.]3122.6806 
2334ROC_se0_ag2_f_023122.0282[Yeah they think] we live in this cow-tipping3125.2098
2335 3125.7582town.3126.2026
2336ROC_int_013126.5154Yeah.3127.0638
2337ROC_se0_ag2_f_023127.2151But3127.4609
2338ROC_int_013127.7020[Yeah.] (whispered)3128.2835
2339ROC_se0_ag2_f_023127.8296[I don't-]3128.3969
2340ROC_int_013129.0304Yeah I need to try [someone doing impersonations again.]3131.7771
2341ROC_se0_ag2_f_023129.7963[Of course we don't hear it.]3131.8669
2342 3132.2479Yeah I would like- that would be interesting [because] I think we talk like the people on TV. [<laugh>]3138.6639
2343ROC_int_013134.3638[Yeah.]3134.7137
2345 3137.7799[<laugh>]3138.1581 
2346 3138.8246Everybody thinks they [talk /??/. (laughing) You] know what I mean, even folks in the South, [folks in the West.]3144.4228
2347ROC_se0_ag2_f_023140.3544[Ri- <laugh>]3141.5457
2349 3143.5435[Yeah, I'm tryna] think [like-]3145.3068 
2350ROC_int_013145.1319[Yup.]3145.4581
2351ROC_se0_ag2_f_023145.8127I- like my one client again from Grenada, she-3148.6850
2353 3149.2334she- uh, she said I have an accent also.3151.6547 
2355 3152.0046And I was like- she asked me like, where you from girl?3154.0137 
2357 3154.2454I was like, Rochester, New York3156.1316 
2359 3156.2601girl.3156.9267 
2361 3157.0835Like,3157.4215 
2363 3158.2551they think3158.9548 
2365 3159.1628we talk weird.3160.0185 
2366ROC_int_013160.2123[Mm-hm.]3160.5999
2367ROC_se0_ag2_f_023160.3541[So] that would be interesting to know3162.2215
2368ROC_int_013162.2864[/Mm-hm/.]3162.9813
2369ROC_se0_ag2_f_023162.5579[like all]3163.5141
2370 3163.6181the traveling.3164.7468
2372 3165.3850You hear other people talk, like, you know, you can3167.2114 
2374 3167.3149spot somebody that I'm like, you're from Boston.3169.6945 
2375ROC_int_013170.0160Right.3170.3563
2376ROC_se0_ag2_f_023170.3658You're from Philadelphia.3171.6497
2378 3171.9239You're from the South.3173.0254 
2380 3173.7042But I heard a-3174.7254 
2382 3175.8269I had never seen an Asian with a Southern accent and it blew3178.9479 
2384 3179.0536my mind.3179.7610 
2386 3180.4795Mind blown. I was [like],3181.9687 
2387ROC_int_013181.8032[Yeah.]3182.2051
2388ROC_se0_ag2_f_023182.2760oh my god, (laughing) like I wanted to record him talking3185.5388
2390 3185.9122cause it was so crazy to me.3187.6472 
2391ROC_int_013188.0301Mm-hm.3188.6144
2392ROC_se0_ag2_f_023188.6623But yeah it's-3189.2593
2394 3190.2806it's interesting.3191.1720 
2395ROC_int_013191.3091Yeah. It really is.3192.9759
2397 3193.3588Yeah, it's fascinating.3194.6900 
2398ROC_se0_ag2_f_023194.7326Mm-hm.3195.1912
2399ROC_int_013195.2384Okay, well, <ts>3196.2596
2401 3196.5338those are all my [questions,]3198.3141 
2402ROC_se0_ag2_f_023197.8035[That was] so [fun, oh my god.]3199.7512
2403ROC_int_013198.5741[um, so] thank you for doing this interview. [Do you still consent] to me [using it?]3203.7184
2404ROC_se0_ag2_f_023201.6620[No problem.]3202.5507
2406 3203.3686[Yes I] do, and I had told like so- I don't know, I was like, oh I gotta do this with /RD-NAME-2/ tonight. I was like,3208.4562 
2407 3208.8202for her [dissertation. Like], yes. (laughing)3212.2665
2408ROC_int_013210.2999[<laugh>]3211.5432
2409 3212.6589[I'm trying out here, you know.]3214.2718
2410ROC_se0_ag2_f_023212.8772[So anytime I can help], you know [I'm all for it. I'm so excited.]3217.2170
2411ROC_int_013214.7965[Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate] it, [yeah.]3218.1578
2412ROC_se0_ag2_f_023218.0112[So] proud, oh my [god.]3220.0732
2413ROC_int_013219.5769[Yay.] [<laugh>]3221.2740
2414ROC_se0_ag2_f_023220.4089[That's so exciting.]3221.3780
2415 3221.6191I [know you] hear it all the time, but it's like,3223.5999
2416ROC_int_013221.7027[/Well-/]3221.9958
2417ROC_se0_ag2_f_023224.2712nigga we made it, no. [<laugh>]3225.4852
2418ROC_int_013225.3113[<laugh>]3225.4852