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1ROC_int_010.0150Okay.0.5414
3 0.8245So, do you give consent to use this interview?4.3908
4ROC_se0_ag2_f_034.9626I do,5.5082
6 5.6376[I do.]6.0376
7ROC_int_015.6419[/All right/, yep],6.5816
8ROC_se0_ag2_f_036.1944[<laugh>]6.5702
9ROC_int_016.7622great, [<laugh>] always have to start off there first.9.8191
10ROC_se0_ag2_f_037.5830[<laugh>]8.1661
11ROC_int_0110.2550So what part of Rochester did you grow up in?12.9212
12ROC_se0_ag2_f_0313.1698<ts>13.2717
14 13.4019Um, I think technically the nineteenth ward. I grew up on a17.2173
16 17.5173/RD-ADDRESS-3/ between19.1250
18 19.4641/RD-ADDRESS-3/20.3676
20 20.5206and, uh,21.6096
22 22.3795<ts>22.4701
24 22.5663/RD-ADDRESS-3/ right where all of the gentrification is happening25.6566
26 25.8547right [now.]26.2453
27ROC_int_0126.1434[Mm], we're gonna get to that. [<laugh>]29.0022
28ROC_se0_ag2_f_0327.6832[<laugh>]28.9965
29ROC_int_0129.3475We'll talk [about that] down the [road for sure.]31.8661
30ROC_se0_ag2_f_0329.9079[Yes]30.3325
32 30.6948[yes that's- that's where I] grew up and that's where my parents are still. [So],34.1531
33ROC_int_0133.9096[Okay. And]34.8097
34ROC_se0_ag2_f_0334.5154[yeah.]34.8437
35ROC_int_0135.1550for someone who's not from Rochester, how would you describe the area to them?39.0492
36ROC_se0_ag2_f_0339.2700<ts>39.3436
38 39.5473I would describe it as inner city. I mean, I grew up,42.5759
40 42.7962um, I'm44.0033
42 44.1248thirty-nine now, but when I grew up, it was the G-Boys and the Black Mob and,47.5853
44 47.9589you know it's a- you know, between jen-49.2043
46 49.6057Cottage Street was pretty-50.8153
48 50.9813a lot of homeowners, but Genesee and Jefferson, um, a lot of, uh, just,56.2623
50 56.8731um, activity,58.1759
52 58.3210uh, around, but also a very60.6948
54 60.9377pretty area. Um, a lot of old homes, a lot of63.7285
56 64.3116uh, older residents, um, living in the area. And so, it- it was a [mix] of69.3719
57ROC_int_0168.6359[Oh.]68.9360
58ROC_se0_ag2_f_0369.9266you know, the city. [<laugh>]72.1126
59ROC_int_0171.1689[Mm-hm.]71.8068
61 71.9989[Yeah.]72.3665
62ROC_se0_ag2_f_0372.3401That's how I would describe it.73.6350
63ROC_int_0173.6453Okay cool. And did you enjoy your time growing up there?77.1777
64ROC_se0_ag2_f_0377.2003I loved, um,78.7910
66 79.1528where I grew up. I,80.4605
68 80.9813I- I think you appreciate it more when you grow up.82.9997
70 83.1604Um, and uh,84.9665
72 85.8434I-86.3076
74 86.5624I meant to read an article recently,88.9003
76 89.1720I haven't read it yet, and it's about why,91.4700
78 92.1887um, African Americans who make it,94.1814
80 94.7701don't leave the city.96.1061
82 96.2646[I didn't] read it,97.3792
83ROC_int_0196.3453[Hm.]96.6152
84ROC_se0_ag2_f_0398.0235but she and I talk about this all the time, like, I would never live this- leave the city. In- and I think the older I get, the more I want to104.6982
86 105.3133be in what might be described as a grittier part of the city and not necessarily-109.9722
88 110.4986you know, cause there are111.2798
90 112.0039people think of the-112.5530
92 112.6832the city as the city, but in Rochester there are,115.1796
94 115.2928all white neighborhoods in the city, you know, Park Ave and East Ave and118.8813
96 119.2587and so, when you make it, you might not leave the city, but you might move to that area. You know, and I'm like,124.0535
98 124.2228I don't know if I wanna live in that area.125.8169
100 126.2822Might wanna live in127.1009
102 127.6158you know,128.1120
104 128.7943South Wedge and130.1403
106 130.3717Corn Hill, and- which is right around the corner from where I grew up as well.134.0748
107ROC_int_01134.0726Ah, yeah, I live in Corn Hill.135.5241
108ROC_se0_ag2_f_03135.5241yes.135.8839
109 135.9583[I-]136.3057
110ROC_int_01136.0017[Well, my] family.136.6468
111ROC_se0_ag2_f_03136.7089When you said that, I was like, oh, I could go over- that's like, you know, walking distance from my parents. [So, yeah.] [So.]142.3863
112ROC_int_01140.8737[Mm-hm]141.7550
114 141.9955[Yeah.] and so, we- I think you talked about it a little bit, but how do you think the community has changed from148.1444
115 148.5972the time in which you were growing up versus now?151.4381
116ROC_se0_ag2_f_03151.5640Gentrification is happening. So I grew up around the corner from the U of R and they built that bridge and we used to156.6504
118 156.9871walk across the bridge and watch the games, the football games, um, during section five championships and162.8799
120 163.1032yeah, um, walking distance from my house- well, U of R is coming up and167.1183
122 167.4594they're building and College Town is booming and so,170.8108
124 171.1085they've decided that they wanna,172.6468
126 173.5028basically, i- um, take up that neighborhood and so,177.4631
128 177.8467it's the strangest thing, um,179.8378
130 179.9618<ts> it was a very predominantly black neighborhood, um,183.5427
132 184.1320and, uh, on my parent's street,186.3340
134 186.7744you'll see a house full of college kids, so like this, <laugh>190.3243
136 190.6468you know,191.0996
138 191.4160bro house, <laugh> in the middle of the hood. <laugh>195.4311
139ROC_int_01195.1983[Right.]195.7303
140 195.7303[<laugh>]196.1930
141ROC_se0_ag2_f_03195.9645[and], uh, and so, it's- i- it's a little,199.6198
142 200.4076n- uh,201.4001
144 202.2374/I don't wanna s- i-/,203.1059
146 204.4705it knocks you back a little, [um], because I think I was in the middle about gentrification cause I used to get upset and say things like,211.1280
147ROC_int_01206.6092[Mm.]206.9185
148ROC_se0_ag2_f_03211.6695I'd love for businesses to be in the city. And we deserve good restaurants, and, you know, they all move out217.0660
150 217.3593of our neighborhoods. And,218.6991
152 219.0837now that I see what's happening, I'm like, wait a minute. <laugh>223.2707
154 223.7405the- this neighborhood that nobody wanted to live in, now you can't get an apartment for under twelve-hundred [dollars, you know.] Or-230.0550
155ROC_int_01229.2673[Mm-hm.]229.6687
156ROC_se0_ag2_f_03230.3715you know- for a one bedroom, some-231.8684
158 232.1037some of these,232.7782
160 233.2638and so it's like,234.4175
162 234.6346pushing the folks235.8752
164 236.2593who have lived here forever237.7943
166 237.9158out. And it's a different kind of ownership240.7440
168 240.9443that I'm feeling, like, what?242.9850
170 243.3572I don't know if like this whole gentrification thing now, because it means,246.8139
172 247.1664you displace the folks248.8474
174 249.3939who are there. You don't just bring the250.8391
176 251.0169good restaurants and the businesses, but you displace the folks who are there and that's the part that's a little255.8827
178 256.1060disconcerting.256.9868
179ROC_int_01257.1629Yeah and so, just to build on that, when you say displaced, like, where do these folks go?262.5346
181 262.7659That's one of the questions that I have, but do you have any sense of like, maybe what areas they're-268.1500
182ROC_se0_ag2_f_03268.2200They move-268.8900
184 269.4482they move into it- so- w- i- it's almost like,271.9418
186 272.3636you reduce their foot space, or their footprint and so,276.4035
188 276.7632um,277.3959
190 277.6378<ts>277.6812
192 277.7681my sister was looking for apartments over there and she had to move on this side of town281.7087
194 282.0561you know, you have to move to the East side.283.5944
196 283.8673So you have to go find,285.6600
198 286.0464an urban area that you can afford,288.4345
200 288.7632and so it's almost like you're being displaced, or,291.3684
202 291.9595um,292.6480
204 293.8762all pushed294.9431
206 295.1354into a smaller segment296.5869
208 296.7719of the inner city. And- and so that's what I've seen happening,300.2907
209ROC_int_01300.6319[Mm-hm.]301.3576
210ROC_se0_ag2_f_03300.6629[um, folks can't] afford to-301.7919
211 302.0524and that was never, like, a great neighborhood to live in.304.8002
213 304.9695[<laugh>]307.3576
214ROC_int_01305.5875[Yep.]305.8512
216 306.4272[<laugh>]306.9884
218 307.3570[Yeah.]307.8549
219ROC_se0_ag2_f_03307.4879[S- so.]308.2136
220ROC_int_01308.1922My family is from-309.6403
221 310.1039a lot of my family is from the Nineteenth Ward.312.3267
222ROC_se0_ag2_f_03312.3340Mm-hm.312.7905
223ROC_int_01313.0041I totally, understand what you [mean. (laughing)]315.2866
224ROC_se0_ag2_f_03314.9332[<laugh>]316.4500
225ROC_int_01316.2438[and so], in your mind, what do you im- imagine the neighborhood will look like in maybe ten to twenty years?322.2806
226ROC_se0_ag2_f_03322.4942<ts>322.6267
228 322.8181You know what, that kind of breaks my heart, but I imagine it looking like,327.3602
230 327.8904the Park Ave area.329.2157
232 330.3561Maybe not Park,331.8066
234 333.6180yeah,334.1039
236 334.5531that's what I imagine it in ten336.2972
238 337.0114fifteen years.338.0275
239misc338.4486That's sad.339.2572
240ROC_se0_ag2_f_03339.2719Yeah.339.7873
241ROC_int_01339.7873Mm-hm340.3101
242ROC_se0_ag2_f_03340.3248Yeah, so.341.2231
243ROC_int_01341.2452Yeah.341.7164
244ROC_se0_ag2_f_03341.7503<inhale>342.5616
246 342.9859oh- well- and for people who don't know what that is, it's a- it's a wealthy neighborhood in the inner city, or in the city of Rochester.350.6553
248 351.3500Um,352.0308
250 352.2640<ts> but it's predominantly white. It's where354.2253
252 354.4567yuppies live. Um, it's where357.6251
254 358.6277folks who359.7141
256 360.9813n- i- you know. It's expensive housing in the city,364.3712
258 364.8375um, that is definitely predominantly white.366.5255
259ROC_int_01366.6502Yeah.367.2004
260ROC_se0_ag2_f_03367.3077Yeah.367.6760
261ROC_int_01367.9325And so do you think that the U of R is370.5111
263 370.6929trying to make an effort to maybe establish more373.5781
265 373.7075relationships with the local community that's there? Or-376.8095
266ROC_se0_ag2_f_03376.8841<ts>376.9681
268 377.3784I can't speak to [that],378.7200
269ROC_int_01378.5726[Mm-hm.]379.0671
270ROC_se0_ag2_f_03379.5894I don't think so. I think they are just trying to make more room and space for their students.384.8573
272 385.2816And trying to make it attractive to the folks that they are,388.4186
274 388.9362um,389.6589
276 390.7641<ts>390.8293
278 390.9412reaching out to. And so,393.1223
280 393.4860this whole push for safer spaces and397.1930
282 397.6267building, you know, this whole perception that you're in the city,400.9921
284 401.2906the U of R, but it might not be safe and so they're403.8925
286 404.5022taking up real estate406.3766
288 407.0388that is exclusive to the folks that they're catering to. And that's how it feels to me.411.7938
290 412.0875But that's without any data. I don't know what attempts U of R,415.6547
292 416.3343um, has at, uh- my parents live a couple of blocks from U of R, I don't think they've reached out at all, I don't think-421.9141
294 422.0710but422.3168
296 422.7336<ts>422.8192
298 422.8799who knows,423.6026
300 423.8264um, if there is something in the works, I'm not aware of it.427.0065
301ROC_int_01427.0438Mm, yeah.427.6080
302ROC_se0_ag2_f_03427.6174[Yeah.]427.9344
303ROC_int_01427.6826[Mkay.]428.2049
304 428.6141Um, did you go to school in the Ninteenth Ward?431.1367
305ROC_se0_ag2_f_03431.2859Nope. I went to school at /RD-SCHOOL-4/433.0485
306ROC_int_01433.3236[Okay.]433.6174
307ROC_se0_ag2_f_03433.3749[So], I'm a434.3681
308 434.7773I'm an /RD-SCHOOL-3/. [laugh]438.5029
309ROC_int_01436.0176[Oh cool. So what was /RD-SCHOOL-3/ like?]438.5123
310ROC_se0_ag2_f_03438.7827I loved [RD-SCHOOL-3/. /RD-SCHOOL-3/,440.6479
312 441.5700excuse me, um,442.9875
314 443.7382<ts>443.8221
316 445.1371so I graduated in ninety-five447.2145
318 447.2902And I would say we were the last school year, I think in ninety-six451.2070
320 451.7666they started putting in the, um, /medical/ detectors and security and police, the year after I graduated. So,459.1363
322 459.6632<ts>459.7145
324 459.7705high school I think461.0434
326 462.0786changed a lot the year- cause I remember a lot of my class465.0244
328 465.3275was very upset and we went to the school, like,467.6776
330 467.8781folks went to the schools to kind of say, what's going on? You know.470.9123
332 471.2063Cause we couldn't believe they were putting472.6518
334 473.1693metal- I know that's a474.3677
336 474.8060kind of normal part of everyones life now, but,477.3228
338 477.9850um,478.3943
340 478.5825/RD-SCHOOL-3/ was fun. I went, uh,480.6009
342 481.5661the years that I was in school, we went483.4347
344 483.7845to championships for boys and girls basketball. We were487.5428
346 487.8458a powerhouse in football,489.4720
348 489.9057um, and so,490.9315
350 491.4678<ts>491.5610
352 491.6077I think if your high school years,493.4961
354 493.6919um, have that kind of stuff, you have a closer connection to your school, there's a lot of497.5330
356 497.9900camaraderie because you're all, like, traveling to states together. And you're the /RD-SCHOOL-3/, and you're,503.7708
358 504.1671you know, so. I loved high school.506.2188
360 506.3354And, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/ was a507.7249
362 508.3626pretty diverse high school,509.9665
364 510.1155um, because it's a, um,511.8644
366 512.3867<ts>512.5172
368 513.0861technical occupational school.514.5491
370 514.7823There were a lot of, uh, immigrants516.6801
372 517.2349that went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.518.0230
374 518.2608Um, so I had a lot of Laotian, Vietnamese and, uh,522.4376
376 522.7966Thai students in my classes and some of our shops.525.8275
378 526.1481Didn't speak any English, but they could do math and they could do shop type things and-530.2794
380 530.6385and of course, um, people don't think the inner city's diverse, but I went to school with a lot of,535.2816
382 535.5474um,535.9810
384 536.4100white and Latino kids. Um, as well as the larger population of black students, but541.1743
386 541.7059I loved /RD-SCHOOL-3/.542.7784
387ROC_int_01542.7924Yeah.543.2120
388ROC_se0_ag2_f_03543.2120I loved high school.544.3018
389ROC_int_01544.4652[Yeah.]545.0014
390ROC_se0_ag2_f_03544.5584[So.] <laugh>545.4957
391ROC_int_01545.4957So, you- I think you mentioned it a little bit, but what k- sorts of activities or clubs were you550.0828
393 550.7123into?551.2672
394ROC_se0_ag2_f_03551.3278<ts>551.4304
396 551.5470Um, so,552.7453
398 553.2816growing up in the inner city,554.5126
400 555.0721um, my parents didn't have a lot of money.556.8289
402 557.3278Um, they grew themselves, they've been together since they were teenagers. And so,560.7504
404 561.2307they were poor, without parents. Who they lost their parents at young ages, on their own as teenagers566.3680
406 566.7597raising kids and, um, and569.6496
408 570.1159they are successful,571.6686
410 572.2188you know, from573.1801
412 573.3017any standards.574.4465
414 574.8615Um, but they didn't have a lot of money, and so, that's the typically story of inner city kids. That-579.4592
416 579.9290you know, first thing I wanted to do when I got to high school was get a job. You know, cause my parents can't afford to584.4706
418 584.7084buy me the most popular sneakers and all this different stuff. And so,588.1159
420 588.5029/RD-SCHOOL-3/ represented a job.590.3494
421ROC_int_01590.7737[Mm.]591.0208
422ROC_se0_ag2_f_03590.9369[<ts> And] so, when I was at /RD-SCHOOL-3/, I was a advanced student. I was in a lot of advanced classes and, um,596.9602
423 597.4871they had a couple of programs599.5330
425 600.0972one at RG and E that was starting and one at Kodak, and603.3193
427 603.5711at the time, getting a job at /RD-WORK-2/ was like,605.7941
429 606.0226getting your master's, you know. Lifetime job,609.2726
431 610.1015obviously that didn't- <laugh>612.9552
433 613.5334And so even though I graduated,616.3018
435 617.8412<ts>617.9470
437 618.6194either fifth or sixth in my class, I can't remember.620.8670
439 621.6772<ts> nobody really encouraged me to go to college.623.5237
441 624.1401And so, I took that job at /RD-WORK-2/.626.2294
443 626.4686Um,627.0730
445 627.9112really high GPA, but629.6971
447 630.2520my parents didn't go to college. You know, and so, they were all interested in my success.634.9417
449 635.3101Um, but for them,636.4198
451 636.6203/RD-WORK-2/ represented success.638.4016
453 638.7979And so, they encouraged me to have that guaranteed job.642.1540
455 642.5784Um, I mean we talk about it now, I'm a little disappointed that645.5020
457 645.8424none of my counselors, or anybody encouraged me to go to college even though I graduated650.1684
459 650.8912in the top percentage of my class and652.9510
461 653.4406was obviously a- a- a college655.9306
463 657.1709track student. Um,658.7614
465 658.8438so,659.2448
467 659.5106most of my high school I worked.660.9421
468ROC_int_01661.3384Okay.661.6602
469ROC_se0_ag2_f_03661.8187I got a job the summer before my-663.8937
470ROC_int_01663.9858Can you just take that out? (whispered)665.0303
471ROC_se0_ag2_f_03665.0443yep,665.2401
473 665.7670I got a job the summer667.2032
475 667.8607before my668.6673
477 669.8750junior year. So sophomore and junior year, I worked the whole summer, I worked every holiday, I worked every break.675.5999
479 676.0138I worked myself to death. Like,677.9256
481 678.2053in hindsight, I worked too much in high school.680.4249
483 680.8632Um, so, I didn't join any clubs. I didn't participate in much, I worked.683.9769
485 684.2986I bought my first car,685.4550
487 685.7907um,686.2710
489 686.6021that summer, with my own money.688.1875
490ROC_int_01688.5244[Mm.]688.7580
491ROC_se0_ag2_f_03688.5500[It was a] piece of crap, but it was my car, that I bought with my own money,692.0926
492 692.1945going into the eleventh grade.693.7305
494 694.2816And, uh,695.6085
496 696.1167um, so, I had a car, so I could go to all the games.699.5580
498 699.9392So, I would work, I'd go to school,701.4266
500 701.6131I'd leave, I'd work,702.6810
502 703.0680and then I'd come to the games. And so, that's what I did my, uh,706.8298
504 707.4453years at,708.0340
506 708.1908uh,708.7556
508 709.3384at, um,709.9353
510 710.5694<ts> /RD-SCHOOL-3/.711.2875
511ROC_int_01711.7118So where did you work? uh-713.3614
512ROC_se0_ag2_f_03713.3753<ts>713.4313
514 713.5246/RD-WORK-2/.713.9302
515ROC_int_01714.0002Oh, you worked at /RD-WORK-2/. [Okay, I thought] you meant after you [graduated.]717.2129
516ROC_se0_ag2_f_03715.2592[Yeah.]715.9073
518 716.9611[No], I got a job. And then when I graduated,719.5106
519 719.9116they put me into a full time apprenticeship721.6555
521 721.9866as in a- as a machinist. So, I worked at /RD-WORK-2/ for a few years,724.7132
523 725.8230awful. [<laugh>]727.3291
524ROC_int_01727.1939[I was] gonna ask, that was my next [question.]729.1756
525ROC_se0_ag2_f_03728.5228[I was in] manufacturing. I was-731.6271
526 732.2240I mean, I think,732.9982
528 733.1589uh, the- uh,734.0565
530 734.8445it was the most brut- it was like walking into the forties. I mean, I was738.7369
532 739.4037I think one of maybe two black women in the entire-742.5755
534 742.7245um, and she wasn't even in the machine- in- in744.9674
536 745.1321ap- the ap- trades anymore. So I may have been the only black woman.748.0802
538 748.5733Um, there were a small percentage of black men.750.8488
540 751.1472There were a small percentage of women, so, I would say the large majority of the folks that I worked with were756.1307
542 756.6250white men757.5809
544 758.3409in their fifties.759.6109
546 760.0855<laugh>761.2401
548 761.7017Um,762.3545
550 762.6670<ts>762.7975
552 762.9980who were763.5343
554 763.9726very angry,764.8818
556 765.6652who felt like we were taking their jobs,767.7530
558 768.5504mainly me,769.2312
560 769.7208um, and it was a hostile environment, where people felt free to speak their minds and you needed to depend on them to teach you777.6326
562 778.2376in order to be successful. So you can imagine the,781.5669
564 782.1544um,782.7699
566 783.6128<ts>783.7293
568 783.8785predatory relationship.786.0522
570 786.4152And- and787.5389
572 788.2943how much a person has to put up with in order to791.1264
574 791.3381be successful in793.2358
576 793.6462their role.794.3922
577ROC_int_01794.7839[Mm-hm.]795.3779
578ROC_se0_ag2_f_03794.7886[So], s- but-795.9170
579 796.2562but obviously I didn't stay at /RD-WORK-2/. Uh, I saw the writing on the wall. And about twenty-five,801.1849
581 801.7760twenty-six I,802.5593
583 803.3054went back to school.804.4338
585 804.8628And, uh,805.9228
587 806.1541I got my MBA.807.8237
589 808.3862And got a job.810.0794
591 810.5364Almost eleven years ago.811.8094
593 811.9427I've been in the same role for- or the same company814.6875
595 815.1581<ts> for eleven years, [so.]816.6110
596ROC_int_01816.4571[Oh], where did you get your MBA from?818.6254
597ROC_se0_ag2_f_03818.6300/RD-SCHOOL-3/.819.3015
599 819.7573/RD-SCHOOL-3/ I, um,821.0862
601 821.4266when I was at /RD-WORK-2/, because I was an academic,823.9306
603 824.1358you know,824.6860
605 825.1663I took classes in machi- I was a machinist so I'm like, I need to take classes in machining. So, I got a two year degree in machining.830.9704
607 831.3761And then I'm like, uh, I need more than this. So I- I went to night school forever.834.8768
609 835.3058So then I got like, uh,836.5601
611 836.7699I almost got my,837.8937
613 838.0755um,838.8378
615 839.0025two year in business administration and then I quit.841.8747
617 842.3689Went back to school, finished the business administration.844.6712
619 845.0862Went to u- /RD-SCHOOL-3/ finished my bachelor's.847.7627
621 848.1218And then got my MBA.849.4180
623 849.6141Um,850.1676
624ROC_int_01850.1676Hm.850.4941
625ROC_se0_ag2_f_03850.6339like,850.9603
627 851.5572it was, a,852.3872
629 853.3166hell three years, cause I was854.7373
631 854.9378trying to go as quickly as I could to finish it.857.6178
633 858.0188And-858.3965
635 858.9701and, uh, got my MBA.860.4188
637 860.5560And861.0870
639 861.2642that was the best decision, I ever made, um, because864.8535
641 865.4736I probably would have been postal or something if I stayed at- it- I can't even imagine what my life would be if I was [still at /RD-WORK-2/.]871.9306
642ROC_int_01871.1826[Mm-hm.]871.7048
643 872.7518Yeah. And so, being, uh, such a learner and you know,877.0557
645 877.3576I guess, uh, liking classes a nerd [I guess.] How was the college experience for you at /RD-SCHOOL-3/?883.6572
646ROC_se0_ag2_f_03879.8103[<laugh>]880.4911
647 883.6758Um, I didn't enjoy it as much as I- I wanted to. I loved-886.9900
649 887.3117like when I think of my coll- I loved889.7971
651 890.0197learning.890.7145
653 891.2601Um,891.9315
655 892.1604<ts>892.2584
657 892.4771I was in a tough situation cause I quit my job so I was dependent on another person.896.3788
659 896.7798And so I wa- tha- that made it more stressful.899.9319
661 900.7246Um,901.4473
663 901.6700And so when I tell you I completed like, four years and three, <laugh>906.7246
665 907.1303I didn't have more than two weeks off in a three year909.8006
667 910.0712span. [Uh, like],911.6102
668ROC_int_01910.8425[Hm.]911.3834
669ROC_se0_ag2_f_03912.3469I- I remember I took913.6525
671 914.3694um, I- f- graduated,916.6449
673 917.5216um,918.0112
675 918.2303/RD-SCHOOL-3/ with my bachelor's. Like, I finished my last exam on Wednesday,922.2113
677 923.6008um, I studied for my, um, GMAT for my MBA927.2880
679 927.6942<ts>927.7452
681 928.1833on Thursday and Friday, I took my test on Saturday, I started class on Monday.932.0862
683 932.6679Like, and I needed to have a qualifying score to even get in. You know, and it was-936.9717
685 937.4229it was really stressful, but938.8264
687 939.3113I love learning. I- uh- um because I942.6313
689 942.9391killed myself,943.7551
691 944.3834I think, um,945.4512
693 946.4402<ts> I was a little burned out for a little while.948.4949
695 948.6439Um, but949.5592
697 949.9311I've actually been looking at trying to find952.0015
699 952.5610a career on a college campus so I can just take cl- free classes, you know. [<laugh>]957.7263
700ROC_int_01957.2181[Yeah.]957.7170
701ROC_se0_ag2_f_03958.1397I love learning. [So], you're right. I'm a nerd. [<laugh>]962.9541
702ROC_int_01958.9464[Mm-hm]959.4500
704 961.1846[Me too. This is why I'm a nerd /too/(laughing).] [From one nerd to another. <laugh>]966.0795
705ROC_se0_ag2_f_03963.3227[<laugh> I am a nerd.]966.0981
706 966.2334You are correct.967.3198
707ROC_int_01967.4410Yeah, cool.968.8399
709 969.0393Um, so you'll need to come back.970.4335
710ROC_se0_ag2_f_03969.0637[Okay, it'll beep.]970.4195
711 971.2355Oh, it'll beep [s-]972.3919
712ROC_int_01972.1914[Oh, okay.] [<laugh>]973.3898
713ROC_se0_ag2_f_03972.9514[Got] hot in here. I can turn on the air.974.8632
714ROC_int_01974.8761Oh, I'm cool. [But if you] need it,976.8904
715ROC_se0_ag2_f_03975.7527[Okay.]976.1724
717 976.7739Nope, [I'm fine.]977.5246
718ROC_int_01977.0117[yeah], okay, cool.978.1961
719 978.4572Um.979.0074
721 979.9027Let's see, what was my following question after that-983.4080
723 983.6225Oh, where do you work now?984.7696
724ROC_se0_ag2_f_03985.0634I work at a telecom986.4949
726 986.8586software987.6513
728 988.0092engineering company out in Victor.989.3754
730 990.0515Again I've been there for ten and a half years. Um,992.6767
732 993.4257<ts>993.5041
734 993.6734It's, uh,994.5454
736 997.0167we do billing for telephone companies and I work in the project management department.1001.4453
738 1001.8557I am a manager of1003.5576
740 1004.0379basically the technical resources on projects. We get new customers in,1007.9116
742 1008.2893or existing customers moved to new software. A lot of our organization is software engineers.1012.8625
744 1013.3800My folks are more of the,1015.0773
746 1015.9913uh, in-between.1016.9099
748 1017.1232The engineers create it,1018.2283
750 1019.0379somebody needs to show the customer how to use it, how to set it up,1022.2180
752 1022.3719w- um, train them.1023.7661
754 1023.9002Um,1024.5157
756 1024.8934and those are the folks that report to me. And so, I- I started as a business analyst.1029.4630
758 1029.8873I moved into an implementation consultant role and then I became the manager of implementation consulting. And then,1034.9594
760 1035.2940took on a couple of other,1036.5203
762 1037.2990um, groups under me, but I'm basically manage technical folks who work with customers.1041.9806
763ROC_int_011042.3478[Yeah.]1042.7628
764ROC_se0_ag2_f_031042.4131[So.]1042.7488
765 1043.0146Yeah.1043.2571
766ROC_int_011043.2524Okay, [cool, very cool.]1045.4533
767ROC_se0_ag2_f_031043.7980[<laugh>]1045.3600
768 1045.6118<exhale>1045.9056
769ROC_int_011045.9009Um, so,1047.4024
770 1047.5376you1048.2184
772 1048.5250mentioned- I was looking on the sheet, that you haven't, um, lived outside of Rochester, but would you consider moving for another job, or do you think you'll stay put?1056.6186
773ROC_se0_ag2_f_031056.8611<ts>1056.9404
775 1057.0336Absolutely, I've been actually looking,1059.1179
777 1059.7055um, so,1061.3084
779 1061.6487my wife, I was telling you that she1063.8963
781 1064.1387is multilingual. She's actually half Portuguese.1067.4389
783 1067.8632She's a interesting story she was born1069.9656
785 1070.3146in the Congo.1071.2112
787 1071.7136<ts>1071.8395
789 1071.9794Her father is Portuguese and lived in-1073.9581
791 1074.2571in the Congo.1075.2341
793 1075.5792And her mother was in the Peace Corps and they met,1078.0598
795 1078.4830in the middle of Africa.1079.5648
797 1080.1244and had her and her two siblings. And she lived there until she was seven, but the warring and the Civil War kind of pushed them here.1086.6093
799 1086.9357So she came1087.5156
801 1087.7235here, Syracuse,1088.8895
803 1089.4618um, and so, she hates the cold weather.1093.1549
805 1093.4020<laugh>1094.6563
807 1094.9081She hates the cold weather,1096.4597
809 1096.9307um,1097.6441
811 1097.9332<ts>1098.0358
813 1098.8471b- and so we've talked about w- moving to warmer climate. But I'm really attached to my family and I can't-1105.3431
815 1105.5274you know, the agreement is not to move within a1107.7707
817 1108.2732day's drive,1109.1778
819 1109.6348um, so we've been looking at DC. Also we have to consider that we're two women.1113.2625
821 1113.6017Um,1114.2079
823 1114.8467I'm black, you know, like all these different [things. And so],1118.3999
824ROC_int_011117.3321[Mm-hm.]1118.1434
825ROC_se0_ag2_f_031118.8428I personally don't wanna move too far south. Um,1121.9891
827 1122.1150only because1123.2621
829 1123.7377we talked about, we wanna have children. I don't ever wanna be in a place where it's acceptable to like,1128.8937
831 1129.3181put your confederate flag outside, [or to do-] you know what1132.2930
832ROC_int_011130.9920[Yeah.]1131.6169
833ROC_se0_ag2_f_031132.5017people up here are just as racist as people down south,1135.0336
835 1135.3787but there's like an etiquette.1136.3262
837 1136.4779[<laugh>]1138.4036
838ROC_int_011136.6143[/Yeah/.]1136.9314
839 1138.5623[That's a] perfect [description. <laugh>]1141.2761
840ROC_se0_ag2_f_031138.7208[Like],1139.0519
842 1139.5788[right. (laughing) Like.]1141.2854
843 1141.8683I want you to have- refrain from saying things in front of me. You know what I mean, like,1146.9031
845 1147.0476I-1147.4149
847 1147.6777I don't want it to be s- acceptable just to say how you feel, wherever, whenever, walk, or- you know.1153.5186
849 1153.8310And so I don't wanna be in that type of environment. And- and also, um, the laws.1158.7259
851 1159.0942You know, even though1159.8450
853 1160.0548even though marriage equality is around the country, there's still some r- um, laws in the books in a lot of our states that are not protective and,1166.7076
855 1167.1646um, and they're not little, you know. It's just a couple years ago, that a woman's, w- um, wife1172.5817
857 1172.9781died in emergency in Florida. And she was unable to sit next to her because she wasn't1177.4673
859 1178.0641considered her next of kin. I- I would murder, people, if my loved one was sitting in emer- you know, so-1184.6656
861 1184.9501So those are really important things that you have to consider. And so,1189.2388
863 1189.6538um, for now, DC is probably the furthest south we're willing to go. Um, but it's- I-1194.6046
865 1195.2994we're considering changing my name on the resume. I'm1198.5053
867 1198.7680applying for jobs I'm way overqualified for and I1201.7844
869 1202.0128can't get a bite.1203.0760
870ROC_int_011203.4653you know they [um-]1204.6590
871ROC_se0_ag2_f_031204.2999[<exhale>] I can't get a bite. So, <laugh>1207.1350
872 1207.3436I don't know what to do. I've been1209.0456
874 1209.7031<ts>1209.7777
876 1209.8569looking for so long. I've- [I sent it] to my friend, she's like, let me look at it.1213.9591
877ROC_int_011211.6801[Hm.]1212.0905
878ROC_se0_ag2_f_031214.4348And she hasn't gotten back to me, cause I suspect she thinks I have a good resume. (laughing) there's just1218.3236
880 1218.6314no reason1219.5207
882 1219.8659for not getting a callback from anywhere, so.1222.1262
884 1222.4948Locally,1223.0786
886 1224.1604uh- afar I have not1226.2063
888 1227.1622been able to- <laugh>1228.8968
889ROC_int_011229.1392Secure something that you-1230.2518
891 1230.6465Hey well maybe it might be worth the-1233.0931
893 1233.5687Do you think it would be better if you applied- I know you said you wouldn't mind being on a college campus doing some1238.5460
895 1238.6793of that kind of [work for] campus?1240.7418
896ROC_se0_ag2_f_031239.7878[Mm-hm]1240.0956
898 1240.6178<ts>1240.7391
899 1240.8650I've- I've, uh, looked at U of R and RIT. Um, what I find is that most of them want you to have college experience, which is1247.9934
901 1248.2820frustrating cause I'm not looking for teaching jo- roles. <laugh>1251.1257
903 1251.3822[I'm] looking for roles that1252.7531
904ROC_int_011251.3868[Yeah.]1251.7505
905ROC_se0_ag2_f_031253.0561are within my scope1254.3859
907 1254.5804of, uh,1255.4063
909 1255.8679knowledge. And there, you know, and you get knocked from that, for not having1259.9654
911 1260.1986experience on a co- Like,1261.3503
913 1262.1652I- I get so frustrated because1264.0863
915 1264.4546a lot of your skills are transferable.1266.2830
917 1266.4751It- you know you can learn whatever the technology is, or whatever the industry is.1271.0328
919 1271.6017You can't teach good leadership. You know, like, you can teach some things, s- some people are natural at it or you're-1277.0748
921 1277.6623There are some things that are1279.5228
923 1280.2957inherent in people that make them good leaders. That make them,1283.2243
925 1283.4831you know.1283.9001
927 1284.5576And so, it's easier to teach the other stuff. So, it's really frustrating that you can't get in the door. But I'm, you know-1290.6369
929 1291.0798I'm- I don't sit on my1292.3575
931 1292.7060hands. I- I do-1294.1515
933 1294.9722you know, I'm looking at the scholarship, um, program at MCC that allows you to go into the classroom, push into a classroom and then to- /you know/ have1303.2603
935 1303.5270someone mentor you.1304.4274
937 1304.7946So that you can get some experience because I have1306.9209
939 1307.9747a lot of things I'd love to do. And1310.1010
941 1310.8692in a place in my life where I wanna give back.1312.8024
943 1313.0063You know, I volunteer a lot. I1314.7208
945 1315.1684s- did the black pride this year, which was very-1318.4966
947 1319.0375I- I loved connecting through the community in a different way. I think sometimes1323.5174
949 1324.0630we become orphans1325.4255
950ROC_int_011325.8768Mm.1326.2219
951ROC_se0_ag2_f_031326.5203and our, um,1327.6907
953 1328.1232<ts>1328.2258
955 1328.3097environments, you know, we are the only ones, you know, and especially with intersectionality.1333.8586
957 1334.4309I- [<laugh>]1336.1422
958ROC_int_011334.7434[<laugh>]1336.1376
959ROC_se0_ag2_f_031336.6691we- <laugh>1337.4478
960ROC_int_011337.6301Yeah.1337.9841
961ROC_se0_ag2_f_031337.9841And so you don't even realize how disconnected you get from your community. I mean, I have my family,1343.5271
962 1343.9374but tha- but that's still a different beast. And- and so, it was very important for me to get involved with black pride and- and I-1350.4783
964 1350.9446and I-1351.2664
966 1351.5741and I wanna f-1352.4776
968 1352.7760I wanna work with kids. I wanna work in education. I wanna work in,1356.4084
970 1356.7814you know, gay youth who get kicked out of their homes. I have all these loves and desires to1361.8115
972 1362.0260just get involved in things. I wanna go to work1364.7162
974 1365.1723and like, love what I do.1366.4640
976 1367.0328Like, my wife love what she does. She works at /RD-WORK-4/ and she's in a non-profit and she gives back. She saves lives. I don't save lives. I1374.4877
978 1375.0845make sure your phones work. You know, like, <laugh>1378.1491
980 1378.4040I'm not discounting what I do, but I don't get up and1380.7208
982 1381.2617have fulfillment everyday. I need to find a role that I feel1384.6785
984 1385.1820fulfilled. [And] I think it's gonna be giving back. You know, and- and1389.3915
985ROC_int_011386.1240[Mm]1386.3944
986ROC_se0_ag2_f_031389.7972usually- and I think my1391.3222
988 1391.4398biggest desire,1392.5949
990 1392.8234is to give back to folks who are,1394.7340
992 1395.3262um,1395.9604
994 1396.3987the most disenfranchised.1398.3028
996 1398.4675You know, whether it's gay youth,1400.2176
998 1400.6454or black youth, or inner city youth. You know,1404.1333
1000 1404.2778tha- that's my passion so. So- and it's my wife's as well.1407.6713
1001ROC_int_011407.9044Yeah.1408.3194
1002ROC_se0_ag2_f_031408.3194So,1408.8323
1003ROC_int_011409.2007And do you feel like Rochester is a-1411.4762
1005 1412.4496Mm,1413.1630
1007 1413.6946comfortable community for, uh, the LGBTQ commu- community in general or?1419.0231
1008ROC_se0_ag2_f_031419.3589I think that Rochester is1421.7882
1010 1422.5763ahead of- You know, the state of New York. I think we're called the welfare state. We- we have a lot of public services that a lot of states don't. We really do.1429.6301
1012 1430.1616Um, and so, if you don't know that, it doesn't feel like enough. Um, it's never enough, but1435.7746
1014 1436.2491I think we have a lot of, um, social welfare programs. I think we do have a lot of, um,1441.0286
1016 1441.2384LGBTQ,1442.6419
1018 1443.1770um, programs. Um,1445.2893
1020 1445.5551but like anything, in anywhere,1448.3668
1022 1448.9009<ts>1448.9401
1024 1448.9998do we touch the black community enough.1450.8556
1026 1451.0095do we touch,1452.1346
1028 1452.5996um,1453.3596
1030 1453.8399the most disenfranchised no matter what1456.5059
1032 1456.7250segment, or what support we have. You know, and- and so,1460.5159
1034 1460.9123I still see that lacking. And it was one of the reasons I got involved with black pride is cause I go out and I think there are a lot of things for the gay1468.6329
1036 1468.9826community in Rochester, or the LGBTQ community.1471.9704
1038 1472.2595But I never see people that look like me.1474.1153
1040 1474.4883Or if I do, it's it- they're so few. You know, and we go to Atlanta1479.0801
1042 1479.5184to get any diversity in the gay community. [<laugh>]1482.8746
1043ROC_int_011482.3663[Right.]1482.8373
1044ROC_se0_ag2_f_031483.2942Or it's my family. My family's house you know like, to get any- but1487.3043
1046 1488.0679<ts>1488.1658
1048 1488.6508and so we're here,1489.7186
1050 1490.4973we just don't have enough1491.6460
1052 1492.6871glue.1493.2670
1053ROC_int_011493.5824[Mm-hm.]1494.0347
1054ROC_se0_ag2_f_031493.9461[You know], and so.1495.5688
1055 1496.3288So, in one sense there is- there1498.1276
1057 1498.5286are a lot of opportunities,1499.9135
1059 1500.4590um,1500.9859
1061 1501.3916but just like1502.1423
1063 1502.3417any other facet of society, we usually leave people behind.1505.6244
1064ROC_int_011505.8528[Mm.]1506.3051
1065ROC_se0_ag2_f_031505.8715[/Yeah/],1506.3051
1066 1506.6409yeah.1506.8647
1067ROC_int_011507.1025Right.1507.6014
1069 1507.9185And so, I know you were helping with the black pride events, uh, what else would you like to see happen to kind of fix the1515.2334
1071 1516.2675lack of cohesion maybe across1518.3937
1073 1519.0279especially black, um, gay1520.9537
1075 1521.4608youth, or the black gay community1523.1767
1076ROC_se0_ag2_f_031524.2538<ts>1524.3611
1078 1524.7435Um,1525.3170
1079ROC_int_011526.5868/Mm-hm/.1526.9691
1080ROC_se0_ag2_f_031527.5727you wanna turn, babe?1528.2776
1081misc1528.3012/?/1528.5836
1082ROC_se0_ag2_f_031528.5919Babe?1528.8876
1083misc1529.0975Oh, right, right.1530.0953
1084ROC_int_011530.8973[<laugh>]1531.7786
1085misc1531.5236[/inaudible/] from that kind of thing1532.8418
1086ROC_se0_ag2_f_031534.6591Thanks.1535.0975
1088 1535.6290Thank you.1536.0114
1089misc1536.4372Yeah.1536.6563
1090ROC_se0_ag2_f_031536.6750Um,1537.4009
1092 1538.1225I don't know if I have the solutions, but, um,1540.6545
1094 1542.3518I think1543.0372
1096 1543.5641we need space.1544.5853
1098 1545.5634You know, um,1547.0601
1100 1549.3077we need our- we need a space we needs- we need1552.0157
1102 1552.3840the opportunity to come together. And so,1555.0699
1104 1555.4242I think /RD-NAME-3/'s doing a phenomenal job1557.6007
1106 1557.9877of creating spaces.1559.7036
1108 1560.2119Um,1560.9859
1110 1561.8905and I think he does a really good job of taking people where they are,1565.7409
1112 1566.3331um, because there's a big spectrum1568.1936
1114 1568.6179of where people are.1569.9550
1115ROC_int_011570.0809Mm.1570.4586
1116ROC_se0_ag2_f_031570.4680In terms of their own identities,1572.3844
1118 1572.7341their own trauma,1573.9978
1120 1574.5293um, their own ability to even know where they are, um, and1579.5315
1122 1580.1330I think,1581.0702
1124 1582.4307once we create the space,1584.1839
1126 1585.3217letting people know there is-1587.2040
1128 1587.5261there are these safe spaces to come to.1590.0487
1130 1590.5383Um,1591.1118
1132 1591.2890<ts>1591.3683
1134 1591.5408and-1592.3650
1136 1593.4281and then once we have those spaces,1595.1394
1138 1595.4425making those spaces, our space, in terms of1598.5200
1140 1598.8639you know, w- what's lacking when I go to R- R- gay pride, Rochester gay pride,1603.1911
1142 1603.7133are events that cater to people of color. You know, and so, people are like, why do you need your own event?1608.7435
1144 1609.3683Well,1609.8812
1146 1610.5049you don't realize that,1612.5168
1148 1612.7463what is- and I'm using quotation mark- the norm,1615.6527
1150 1616.0817is really,1617.1075
1152 1617.3675the white. <laugh>1619.3726
1154 1619.7176And so,1620.8647
1156 1621.3170by default, everything caters to white culture, or- or- or white folks,1626.7808
1158 1627.3077um,1627.9332
1160 1628.0704and they don't even realize, it isn't really geared toward me, or my interests. And so,1633.7693
1162 1634.0770finding spaces1635.3442
1164 1635.7685that,1636.2861
1166 1636.7477we can play music, that we're able to relate to, or1640.5806
1168 1640.9805talk about1641.8478
1170 1642.5426<ts>1642.6032
1172 1642.8084things we love,1644.1373
1174 1644.6735play spades.1645.5035
1176 1645.7040I mean [<laugh>]1647.4514
1177ROC_int_011647.1950[Mm-hm.]1647.6799
1178ROC_se0_ag2_f_031647.8991things that,1648.5146
1180 1648.8317um, connect to us culturally,1650.7248
1182 1651.1258that- that,1651.7413
1184 1652.4081I think the larger community takes for granted. [Um],1655.6850
1185ROC_int_011655.0648[Mm.]1655.6943
1186ROC_se0_ag2_f_031655.8575but we don't have those spaces ever.1657.7553
1188 1658.1283except at our family picnic, or- <laugh>1660.8923
1189ROC_int_011660.9016And then there you might be one of /??/ [right? Yeah. <laugh>]1665.5644
1190ROC_se0_ag2_f_031662.9906[<laugh> Yeah. <laugh>]1665.3966
1191 1665.8571So,1666.5332
1193 1666.8317I think it's important to create the spaces, and then invite folks to those spaces,1670.3848
1195 1670.7298knowing that those spaces belong to them. And I think,1673.8625
1197 1674.3984um,1674.8320
1199 1675.0932that will help people feel more included.1677.9737
1201 1678.1416You know, um.1679.2589
1203 1679.5766And1680.0254
1205 1680.3051I think it makes you participate in other things if you've- you're feeling fulfilled,1684.1043
1207 1684.9342um, personally. Like, I got my fill, I got1688.1470
1209 1688.4967what I need. This is my space.1690.4959
1211 1690.9576Maybe I'll go to that other event because, you know,1693.6574
1213 1694.2624I'm good on this front. You know, so, I-1697.3283
1215 1697.5008I don't have the answers, I just-1698.9813
1217 1699.4336I think- I think folks like /RD-NAME-3/ are doing a great job of kind of1702.8876
1219 1703.2373spearheading,1704.3238
1221 1704.8973um,1705.5548
1223 1705.9465some great ideas.1707.0236
1224ROC_int_011707.1591Yeah.1707.5788
1225ROC_se0_ag2_f_031707.6753Yeah.1707.9037
1226ROC_int_011708.0264And so, out of curiosity, would like, for example, maybe the vogue,1712.2915
1228 1712.5515uh, the voguing of [it, be] something that happens more in a black space as [opposed to-]1717.0319
1229ROC_se0_ag2_f_031713.7918[Mm-hm]1714.1089
1231 1716.5339[It's one hundred] [percent.]1717.6527
1232ROC_int_011717.3543[yeah], right, [okay.]1718.3149
1233ROC_se0_ag2_f_031718.1237[That's] an [example],1719.3407
1234ROC_int_011719.0003[Okay.]1719.3500
1235ROC_se0_ag2_f_031719.5913[um],1720.0017
1236ROC_int_011719.6007[<laugh>]1719.9923
1237ROC_se0_ag2_f_031720.1602probably most white men don't know,1722.5839
1239 1722.9577that- s- <laugh>1723.8753
1241 1724.0948that voguing happens on- in and it's1726.8550
1243 1727.0601huge in the black gay male community.1729.8532
1245 1730.1458Huge, it's one of the biggest things1732.4866
1247 1732.8363and yet I would tell you most1734.2492
1249 1734.4730gay white men aren't aware of that. When they say vogue, they probably think of the Madonna vid- video and that's the end of the conversation.1740.8833
1251 1741.2223And yet it's a huge part of the black male, uh, black gay male community.1745.1100
1253 1745.2406[So],1745.7395
1254ROC_int_011745.2686[Yeah.]1745.7256
1255ROC_se0_ag2_f_031746.2522yeah.1746.6561
1257 1746.9737[Yes.]1747.3622
1258ROC_int_011747.1345[Mkay.]1747.5227
1259ROC_se0_ag2_f_031747.7073[<laugh>]1749.6097
1260ROC_int_011747.7119[Just trying to, you know, keep up.] <laugh>1750.1320
1261ROC_se0_ag2_f_031750.1355And even within our communities, even gay black men versus,1753.5627
1263 1753.7959um, g- um,1754.9430
1265 1755.3486gay queer black women1756.6857
1267 1757.2277there's still1758.0589
1269 1758.1962some,1758.8710
1271 1759.1424you know,1759.5176
1273 1759.7999differences. There's still,1761.6144
1275 1761.9735um, some needs to- some need to1764.9572
1277 1765.1062have separate spaces, or1766.8404
1279 1767.1808spaces that satisfy both. You know, and so,1770.3597
1281 1770.7934um,1771.2923
1283 1771.6746again, I think /RD-NAME-3/1772.8725
1285 1773.1220gets it, and he's trying to p-1775.0551
1287 1775.2131create those spaces, you know.1777.0078
1288ROC_int_011777.1664Mm-hm, he's trying to do it all [/probably he's good/.]1780.6886
1289ROC_se0_ag2_f_031779.3719[He is],1779.9497
1291 1780.1929[he is], he is.1781.4085
1292ROC_int_011781.4971[Yeah, for sure.]1782.7847
1293ROC_se0_ag2_f_031781.5064[ <laugh>]1783.5767
1294ROC_int_011783.0827Okay.1783.6003
1295 1783.7611So, I'm gonna turn and ask some more like, general questions about Rochester.1787.7022
1296ROC_se0_ag2_f_031787.7116Mm-hm.1788.0053
1297ROC_int_011788.3037Um, so, one of them is, what are some of your favorite things about Rochester?1793.0709
1298ROC_se0_ag2_f_031797.0659About Rochester,1798.2134
1300 1798.8134um, I think, uh,1800.3952
1302 1801.1168I think Rochester is a great place, um,1803.7579
1304 1803.9148it's not too big. You know,1805.4579
1306 1805.8450I don't know if I could ever live permanently in a place like New York City cause it's huge it's- it's massive.1811.8729
1308 1811.9802There's so much going on.1813.3406
1310 1813.8442Um, you can't really relax,1815.5601
1312 1815.8539um, but I obviously don't wanna be in farmland, you know. So, /mark/- Rochester's this middle ground.1821.0659
1314 1821.6021Um,1822.2083
1316 1822.6233not too big,1823.5653
1318 1823.7660not too small.1824.8381
1320 1825.2194It's got a lot of art,1826.2499
1322 1826.6975it's got a lot of history1827.9518
1324 1828.2642I'm proud that Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass, you know, lived a- an important part of their lives here.1834.2502
1326 1834.7958Um,1835.4579
1328 1835.6398it's got a lot of great music scene.1837.7836
1330 1838.2825Um,1839.0447
1332 1839.3192we have a lot of1840.1523
1334 1840.3715you know, restaurants. there's a lot going in in Rochester. Again, we can't compete with DC, or New York, but1846.1010
1336 1846.4181in terms of middle size cities, I think Rochester's- has a great history and a lot going on. And,1852.7119
1338 1853.1129um, we can keep ourselves busy here. Um, I'm never bored, we are always discovering- it's great that she's not from- my wife isn't from Rochester1860.4558
1340 1860.8230cause I discover things with her all the time, that I wouldn't1863.3783
1342 1863.7793because I've been here my whole life. But I think it really- and she tells me all the time- it's a- She's live in Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo and she loves Rochester.1871.1082
1343ROC_int_011871.1921Really?1871.6771
1344ROC_se0_ag2_f_031871.7191Yeah, she loves it more than Buffalo or1873.9517
1346 1874.0811Syracuse, [so, yeah.]1875.7700
1347ROC_int_011874.7255[Mm.] That's cool.1876.4834
1348ROC_se0_ag2_f_031876.4927Yeah, [yeah.]1877.3880
1349ROC_int_011876.9403[Yeah.] I have a friend who's from here, but1879.1634
1350 1879.3779she went to school in Buffalo and she just swears by Buffalo (laughing).1882.8984
1351ROC_se0_ag2_f_031882.9450She lived there for ten years. Went to college [and] she love Rochester more than Buffalo. [So],1888.1337
1352ROC_int_011885.0188[Mm-hm],1885.5318
1354 1887.7784[/yeah/.]1888.2689
1355 1888.4974[Yeah.] Okay, cool,1890.3998
1356ROC_se0_ag2_f_031888.5114[<laugh>]1889.5139
1357 1890.4185Yeah, [yeah.]1891.2104
1358ROC_int_011890.8463[Um], but I know what you mean too, by like, you live here so long and you don't notice things until you have someone else, come and show you.1898.7954
1359ROC_se0_ag2_f_031898.7954[Absolutely.]1899.6814
1360ROC_int_011899.5788[The] last I visited, uh, with my boyfriend, he's like, oh let's check out the brewery, and /I was like/ I've never been there[/in my life/ (laughing).]1906.6932
1361ROC_se0_ag2_f_031904.9773[<laugh>]1906.6746
1362ROC_int_011906.8518Like, [ever.]1907.8729
1363ROC_se0_ag2_f_031907.4486[Do you] know there's a1908.3672
1364 1908.4615fantasy, uh, park here. F- like,1910.9633
1366 1911.3643like a- what are they called, fairy park.1913.4533
1368 1914.0443In Henrietta there is a park1915.7882
1370 1916.2778with little like, twenty something little1918.1523
1372 1918.3948fairy houses built into the trees.1920.9581
1373ROC_int_011921.1821Wow.1921.7602
1374ROC_se0_ag2_f_031921.7836Yeah.1922.3105
1375ROC_int_011922.3524That sounds really cool.1923.8259
1376ROC_se0_ag2_f_031923.8352Like,1924.2875
1378 1924.4694/we/ you know. So, I- like we try to do date nights. Um, [we do-] we've been together almost five years, but we1929.5368
1379ROC_int_011927.7696[Yeah.]1928.1100
1380ROC_se0_ag2_f_031929.7653we really believe in trying to keep our lives k-1932.3998
1382 1932.7158like don't ever lose it.1933.9048
1383ROC_int_011933.9188[Mm-hm.]1934.3431
1384ROC_se0_ag2_f_031934.0633[Keep] working for each other.1935.6674
1385 1935.9005You know like,1936.7352
1387 1937.1362work just as hard as the first year,1938.9433
1389 1939.2846as the [twentieth year.]1940.4970
1390ROC_int_011939.7836[Yeah.] That's beautiful. [<laugh>]1941.8166
1391ROC_se0_ag2_f_031941.3596[And so] we rotate on, uh, date nights. And so, we're al- I'm always looking for1945.7509
1392 1945.8722new creative things to do and I found the fairy park and I'm like,1949.3227
1394 1949.9289what?1950.3625
1396 1950.5246Were- [<laugh>]1952.7089
1397ROC_int_011951.1074[Yes, I-]1951.8672
1399 1952.2044[until] you just [said this to me, I didn't know that was a thing.]1955.9510
1400ROC_se0_ag2_f_031953.5569Yes. <laugh>]1955.7998
1401 1955.9919Exactly. [Exactly. So],1957.8819
1402ROC_int_011956.6703[Yeah. Okay, I'll] have to add it to the list then.1959.2315
1403ROC_se0_ag2_f_031959.3015<laugh> Yeah.1959.8657
1404ROC_int_011960.0755Cool.1960.6024
1406 1960.9242Um, okay. So, those are some of your favorite things. What are some of the things you dislike, or need improvement you think,1967.3951
1408 1967.8661um,1968.3251
1410 1968.6035with respect to Rochester?1969.8979
1411ROC_se0_ag2_f_031970.0611<ts>1970.1917
1413 1970.5787You know, I can't-1971.3012
1415 1971.4659this is a personal one, um,1973.0827
1417 1973.5723I mean we still live in-1974.7473
1419 1975.0679I always joke about if we didn't have New York City we'd be a red state.1978.4392
1420ROC_int_011979.2086Mm.1979.5024
1421ROC_se0_ag2_f_031979.5676New York City is holding us down.1981.4783
1423 1981.8327Because Upstate New York is conservative.1984.8589
1425 1985.4044It is ultra conservative. And I am reminded of it everyday that I drive out to Victor to go to my job.1991.0594
1427 1991.4138Granted, I have a lot of young folks that work at my job,1993.8140
1429 1994.2710that1994.6645
1431 1994.9222it balances. Um,1996.8200
1433 1996.9572but1997.4371
1435 1998.2659the trucks and the signs and the2000.4901
1437 2000.9005the- it- we live in such a conserv- you know.2003.4790
1439 2003.8334It's2004.4303
1441 2004.9560outside2005.6508
1443 2006.0798the city limits of Rochester.<laugh>2008.7936
1445 2009.5443you could be driving into the South. [You know, and- and] some of these areas in terms of2014.9335
1446ROC_int_012011.7394[Mm-hm.]2013.0497
1447ROC_se0_ag2_f_032015.4091their belief systems. And- and, um,2018.7839
1449 2019.9543and their politics, and-2022.2811
1451 2022.9467And so that's the one thing2024.7885
1453 2025.5020that is, uh,2026.9335
1455 2027.4697a little disappointing2028.6961
1457 2028.9654about living in this area.2030.3269
1459 2030.5181[Um],2031.1102
1460ROC_int_012030.5181[Mm-hm.]2031.1476
1461ROC_se0_ag2_f_032031.3947but2031.6512
1463 2032.4485I don't have a lot of knocks. Um, it's pretty affordable.2036.0332
1465 2036.8538I love the grittiness of the inner city,2038.8542
1467 2039.1293it's- it's- it's my it's- my people. It's2042.0984
1469 2042.5181[where I come] from.2043.6838
1470ROC_int_012042.5228[Mm-hm.]2043.0450
1471ROC_se0_ag2_f_032044.3040They get a bad rep. <laugh>2046.3650
1473 2046.7369I'm never intimidated, or scared, uh,2049.5206
1475 2049.9822uh, you know.2050.6817
1477 2051.1760It's you know, it's- it's funny cause we get to do a lot of2053.7572
1479 2054.8818<ts>2054.9891
1481 2055.4787comparisons because she's white and I'm black and- and our cultures are different. Our backgrounds and- and you know, some of the things2062.8169
1483 2063.2739that are very obvious to her. Like, our friendliness is a culture. You know, and how we speak.2067.9856
1485 2068.5744And how- you know, and she's like, how could somebody be afraid of him? You know, this kid2073.2082
1487 2073.5066I'm walking down the street, he's got dreads, got a mean look on his face and I'm like, hey2077.0073
1489 2077.2078and he look up and gave you a smile. You know, and it's like,2080.0569
1491 2080.6863y- you know, I love2082.2018
1493 2082.5131the inner city and- and I don't discount2085.2502
1495 2085.4415the bad things that happen, but2087.1760
1497 2087.5536they happen everywhere. we just make the news more. [<laugh>]2092.5744
1498ROC_int_012091.1429[Yeah.]2091.5952
1500 2092.5698I agree with that.2093.6702
1501ROC_se0_ag2_f_032093.6795Yeah.2094.2997
1502ROC_int_012094.2986And, um,2095.1395
1503 2095.3708just back to- you said it was really conservative in-2098.3226
1505 2098.8029the younger folks at your job, do you think they're like, carrying on the same conservative mentality, or are they a little more progressive?2106.0386
1507 2106.5270Cause I alwa- this is something I always wonder about. [<laugh>]2108.9378
1508ROC_se0_ag2_f_032108.6953[We] talk about this too, my wife and I. We have political discussions all the time. Um,2113.6741
1509 2114.4948I think that, some of them are conservative. I think the majority of them are not.2119.1425
1511 2119.6695Um, I think right now there are a lot of folks2122.6149
1513 2123.2272who are being bombarded2124.5935
1515 2125.0446by things they didn't know existed.2126.8678
1517 2127.8144And they're having-2129.9453
1519 2130.3790what is it called2131.3796
1521 2131.6110where,2132.1870
1523 2132.8771um,2133.4693
1525 2133.8377what you were taught is completely different than what you're looking at.2137.1379
1527 2137.4130Uh, I can't think of the terminology.2139.2175
1529 2139.6372Um,2140.1548
1531 2140.4299and so,2141.2506
1533 2141.8567you start to, you know, when you see a police officer kill someone2145.7447
1535 2145.8662on tape,2146.5465
1537 2146.7190and it looks wrong,2147.8614
1539 2148.1831there has to be a reason for it.2149.6228
1541 2150.0238Because that's just not what I was taught. You know, and I s- I think there are a lot of folks2154.0712
1543 2154.4245who are in this middle ground right now,2155.9959
1545 2156.6906who can't really explain what's going on,2159.0267
1547 2160.3836but it can't be that. You know what I mean? their- [their- <laugh>]2162.7418
1548ROC_int_012162.5927[Uh], cognitive [dissonance? Yeah.]2164.8029
1549ROC_se0_ag2_f_032163.6465[Cognitive dissonance.] ye- yeah, yes, dissonance yes. Um,2168.0238
1550 2168.2896<ts>2168.3829
1552 2168.7932that's what's going on.2170.0895
1554 2170.5698And- and so, I think that2173.6042
1556 2174.0098our generation is better than the last,2176.1408
1558 2176.9148in terms of2178.2111
1560 2178.8068open mindedness2179.6601
1562 2180.1451but not that much more (laughing). <laugh>2181.8020
1564 2182.0760I do think-2182.8076
1566 2183.2366I mean you think about, um, social media and who all the trolls are,2187.2568
1568 2187.6960they tend to be2188.7097
1570 2189.6189young white guys,2190.6867
1572 2191.8793computer geeks2192.9144
1573ROC_int_012193.2688Mm-hm.2193.7678
1574ROC_se0_ag2_f_032193.8470I mean these are the folks who- so,2196.2251
1576 2196.5690I do think a lot of this is being passed on.2199.3714
1578 2199.6931Um, but I do think for the most part-2202.2484
1580 2202.7042You know, there used to be an entire generation of folks who all believed this stuff.2206.3180
1582 2206.6071You know, and there were2207.5723
1584 2208.1179dots of folks who didn't.2209.7254
1586 2210.5414I think2211.1429
1588 2211.7071there are more people who are more open minded,2214.2904
1590 2214.6390who are braver,2215.6275
1592 2216.0565who are- I mean there are white people who are woke. My wife is one.2219.7719
1594 2219.9327Um,2220.4256
1596 2220.9840she gets more angry than I do. You know, and- and,2224.2434
1598 2224.7610um,2225.3019
1600 2225.6329I think you have a higher2227.0679
1602 2227.5156population of those folks.2229.1429
1604 2229.6885But I do there are a lot of folks who are still,2232.9793
1606 2233.5109um,2234.0272
1608 2234.3095picking up the torches of, um,2236.7749
1610 2237.6889what their parents2238.9607
1612 2239.5482have taught them.2240.3735
1613ROC_int_012240.7326Yeah.2241.1196
1614ROC_se0_ag2_f_032241.1149So,2241.5999
1615 2242.2014but I do think it's mostly,2243.2389
1617 2243.4781folks who are in the middle.2244.4506
1619 2244.6701But you can look at it as-2246.1014
1621 2246.5170What's that saying? if you don't take a stance, you are taking a stance.2249.8381
1623 2250.0852You know?2250.5317
1624ROC_int_012250.6902Mm-hm.2251.2684
1625ROC_se0_ag2_f_032251.7534People don't wanna get involved.2252.9457
1627 2253.6419[That's] not my problem.2254.8449
1628ROC_int_012253.6419[Yeah.]2253.8797
1629ROC_se0_ag2_f_032255.9174You're part of the problem. You know? [<laugh>]2258.2150
1630ROC_int_012257.7767[Mm-hm.]2258.2430
1631 2258.7839/I think it was, uh,/ if you choose silence, you have chosen the side of the [oppressor.]2264.6766
1632ROC_se0_ag2_f_032264.4367[Yeah,] something [like that. Yep.]2266.0221
1633ROC_int_012264.9216[Something like that], yeah.2266.3018
1634ROC_se0_ag2_f_032266.4324Yep.2266.7308
1636 2267.2099And we all, you know,2268.3524
1638 2269.7279<exhale>2270.1569
1640 2270.5859we're all guilty of some type of collusion, or2274.7580
1642 2275.3782you know, whatever it takes to survive.2277.4998
1644 2277.7982We've all had to swallow our pride at some point. And so, I'm not judgmental at all.2282.4134
1646 2283.0988Um, and I think we2284.8567
1648 2286.2358and- and- and I don't know where you are in your journey, but a lot of us,2289.1687
1650 2289.7653carry guilt.2290.6721
1652 2291.4415<ts>2291.5720
1654 2292.0290Um,2292.5155
1656 2292.7076because2293.5118
1658 2295.1986in one2295.7675
1660 2296.3457sense,2296.9332
1662 2297.2596it's your responsibility to stand up,2299.1248
1664 2299.6237in another sense,2300.7038
1666 2300.9273you need to survive.2302.0519
1668 2302.5975And these folks aren't,2304.0663
1670 2304.5046you know, into explanation, you know. <laugh>2307.1080
1672 2307.3393You just need your paycheck.2308.6559
1674 2309.2037And so what are you willing to put up with2311.3486
1676 2311.8102in order2312.4143
1678 2312.6299to pay your bills.2313.6063
1679ROC_int_012313.8001[Mm.]2314.3084
1680ROC_se0_ag2_f_032313.8024[You know], and so it's a- k- it's a- it's a daily struggle2317.2413
1681 2318.2474around,2319.1124
1683 2319.3870what's acceptable,2320.6534
1685 2322.1269how much you're willing to put up with,2324.0713
1687 2324.8536what's your breaking point,2326.2944
1689 2326.5975or what's your stand up point? And that's just a,2328.8963
1691 2329.5025um,2330.0294
1693 2330.7137I think we all struggle with that.2332.1405
1695 2332.9658Everyday of our lives. You know,2334.7704
1697 2335.2600I struggled more when I was at /RD-WORK-2/ <laugh>.2338.0566
1699 2338.6488[Um. <laugh>]2340.8027
1700ROC_int_012338.6488[That was a lot of effort /to go there too/ <laugh>]2341.3439
1701ROC_se0_ag2_f_032341.4576Um,2342.2418
1703 2342.4457but I have had2343.4364
1705 2344.1592a handful of days at my company that were,2346.3021
1707 2346.5717you know,2347.0921
1709 2348.3546my blackness2349.5856
1711 2350.9705was,2351.9917
1713 2353.7263you know,2354.1180
1715 2354.5644bleeding2355.4364
1717 2356.6721off of me. [You know], it just- just2359.1388
1718ROC_int_012357.5207[Mm-hm.]2358.1549
1719 2359.3346Yeah, like a [hypervisiblity?]2361.2312
1720ROC_se0_ag2_f_032361.0230[Yes],2361.9563
1721 2362.3445yes.2363.1384
1723 2363.6973Absolutely.2364.7238
1724ROC_int_012365.1854Mm-hm.2365.6190
1725ROC_se0_ag2_f_032366.5784Again, not nearly as many as /RD-WORK-2/, but- but2369.1663
1727 2371.1387there have been instances. and- and I- after leaving /RD-WORK-2/ I- you know, there was one incident, where2376.3414
1729 2376.9476that happened at my job and I just t-2378.5799
1731 2379.0387told myself I would never be in that situation again,2381.5531
1733 2381.7649cause I was so,2383.1154
1735 2383.3719it was so bad.2384.2799
1737 2385.2592And2385.7721
1739 2386.2477I did stick up for, you know, something I believed in at my job. And-2389.6339
1741 2389.8535and2390.3966
1743 2390.7649it didn't get handled well.2391.9680
1745 2393.1244But I walked out with my pride,2394.8657
1747 2395.0539[you know what I mean.] And I didn't lose my job. And I didn't,2397.7427
1748ROC_int_012395.0781[Mm.]2395.7076
1749ROC_se0_ag2_f_032397.8681you know.2398.4576
1751 2399.1430But it was something that I was never able to do at /RD-WORK-2/, you know. And so, that was-2403.2639
1753 2403.9213that was a good thing.2404.7094
1755 2405.0777It was important. You know,2406.4953
1757 2406.9522so.2407.3905
1758ROC_int_012407.5724Mm-hm.2408.0748
1759ROC_se0_ag2_f_032408.1261Yeah.2408.5225
1760ROC_int_012408.6251Do you feel like you're2409.7115
1762 2410.4267kind of, I don't know maybe forced to talk about these things a little more given the climate, [social] [climate, or whatever? No? /Okay/.]2416.9705
1763ROC_se0_ag2_f_032414.8256[No.]2415.2359
1765 2415.7535[I don't talk about it at] work.2417.3317
1766 2417.5160At all.2418.0476
1768 2418.6072Zero.2419.2880
1770 2419.9396I- I don't even2421.3152
1772 2421.6742open that spa- I am the only black woman at my job. I am only one of two black people at my job. I wouldn't say there are maybe a hundred and twenty, a hundred and thirty people.2429.3249
1773ROC_int_012429.7865Mm.2430.0430
1774ROC_se0_ag2_f_032430.0383Um,2430.5479
1775 2430.7714so,2431.4419
1777 2431.5556uh, there are no Latinos.2433.1659
1779 2433.8573There's one Indian guy.2434.9798
1781 2435.7492So we're talking, one black man, one black woman, one Indian guy and all the rest are2440.0239
1783 2440.1825white men and women. And so, it is not-2442.5326
1785 2443.2740not that I've ever felt threatened,2445.0540
1787 2445.3012but it's just not a safe space to have open and honest race discussions. So, I don't even go there.2450.5271
1789 2450.9888I don't invite the [conversation.]2452.8425
1790ROC_int_012452.6954[Mm.]2453.1523
1791ROC_se0_ag2_f_032453.2387The only time I ever2454.8869
1793 2455.2833said anything,2456.2798
1795 2456.9748<ts>2457.0913
1797 2457.3105um,2457.8141
1799 2458.3550wa- recently,2459.7399
1801 2460.1782um, it was, one of-2462.1086
1803 2462.9748one of the bad weeks.2464.1498
1805 2464.8213I think it was the back to back videos with Alton Sterling and [it was-] it was just an awful,2469.7162
1806ROC_int_012467.8859[Right.]2468.2893
1807ROC_se0_ag2_f_032470.2151awful week.2471.0078
1808ROC_int_012471.0125Yeah.2471.5394
1809ROC_se0_ag2_f_032471.9823And2472.6305
1811 2473.4220I know what we as black people were feeling.2475.5063
1813 2475.8187And the black guy at work, we had never talked about race cause it just doesn't feel safe to-2479.6003
1815 2479.8003you know. And those spaces especially are the only w-2481.8654
1817 2482.1358We've never- we talk about sports, we've never gone there.2484.9849
1819 2485.4826He's married to a white woman. I don't know if he's Don Lemon, or he's- you know, I don't-2489.5813
1821 2489.8078Not that I'm not married to a white [woman (laughing), but I] don't know where [he's at.]2493.5427
1822ROC_int_012491.3091[Mm-hm.]2491.9106
1824 2492.8013[Where he stands.]2493.5661
1825ROC_se0_ag2_f_032493.7887<ts>2493.8493
1826ROC_int_012493.8260Mm-hm.2494.2597
1827ROC_se0_ag2_f_032494.2597And I- And I remember one morning,2496.1466
1828 2496.2721that week,2497.0108
1830 2497.7848I was in the cafeteria,2498.9645
1832 2499.2397and I needed to check in with him.2500.7549
1834 2500.9157And I said, how are you?2502.1015
1836 2502.6144And he gave me a look,2503.7708
1838 2504.0739and it was- it was important that I checked in with him. And he said,2507.7891
1840 2508.4792he said it's just- you know like, we- we connected.2510.6428
1842 2511.1604And2511.7059
1844 2511.9904we only had a couple of minutes, because somebody came into the cafeteria and we ended it,2515.7196
1846 2516.2931but I'm so glad I checked in with him,2517.9981
1848 2518.2059because I think he needed that. You know,2520.2565
1850 2520.5037I don't know that for sure,2521.6636
1852 2522.0599but he talked to me,2523.1884
1854 2523.8552um, it was almost like, I see you.2525.8078
1856 2526.3813You know,2526.8726
1858 2527.0844I'm acknowledging you. Especially as a black man.2529.9111
1860 2530.3343I know what I'm feeling.2531.4456
1862 2531.7201I know what you have to be feeling.2533.3984
1864 2533.8921And it was a good2535.3656
1866 2535.7153two minutes of conversation. We haven't talked about it since.2538.3673
1868 2538.8569Um,2539.3007
1870 2539.5281but I needed to check in with him.2540.8338
1872 2541.0534And- and I felt good about that check in.2543.1826
1874 2543.3277[You know.]2543.8021
1875ROC_int_012543.3415[Mm-hm.]2543.8311
1876ROC_se0_ag2_f_032543.9025So,2544.3720
1878 2545.1880that's it. [<laugh>]2546.7502
1879ROC_int_012546.1765[Yeah.]2546.7081
1880ROC_se0_ag2_f_032547.1246It stays away from work.2548.5313
1881ROC_int_012548.8472Yeah.2549.1876
1883 2550.0409Completely understand [that position]2552.2525
1884ROC_se0_ag2_f_032551.3092[Mm-hm.]2551.8361
1885 2552.5402[<laugh>]2553.7432
1886ROC_int_012552.7505[for sure.]2553.7479
1887 2554.0463Um,2554.6432
1889 2554.8091<ts>2554.9228
1891 2555.4114so we talked about some of the changes that's- that are happening across Rochester, and with respect to like, the gentrification thing, [are there] any other major changes you see2565.7001
1892ROC_se0_ag2_f_032563.1833[Mm-hm.]2563.5470
1893ROC_int_012566.0373happening across the community?2567.9150
1894ROC_se0_ag2_f_032571.1044<ts>2571.1557
1896 2571.2350Um,2571.6955
1898 2573.0197activism.2573.7716
1900 2573.9884You know, I see /RD-NAME-3/'s group. I see,2576.0460
1902 2576.5309um,2577.0811
1904 2577.4541the group B-L-A-K- C-K2579.9383
1906 2580.1808Um, BLACK.2580.9408
1907ROC_int_012581.0761Yeah.2581.5563
1908ROC_se0_ag2_f_032581.8688which was different from black pride.2583.6218
1910 2583.7237But, um.2584.6385
1912 2585.0232I see a lot of activism happening. Um, a lot of folks in my feed.2588.7192
1914 2589.1466Um, they're brave.2590.2808
1916 2590.5318I mean,2591.4277
1918 2592.4233it- you know, for me, It feels like a choice between my career2596.5080
1920 2598.3253and2599.0573
1922 2601.2163what I'm socially passionate about.2603.0196
1924 2603.2202And so that's why I- I think I try to get- honestly, if I'm being honest with myself,2607.2490
1926 2607.7059I try to give back2609.0023
1928 2609.7844in ways,2610.8805
1930 2611.0923that can't come back on me.2612.5088
1932 2612.9832You know what I mean. And so,2614.5453
1934 2615.0337I don't know what getting involved with BLACK2617.4911
1936 2617.8268and protesting and getting arrested2620.4940
1938 2620.8612would do. I'd probably get fired.2622.5479
1940 2623.1460Well- I'm- I- I make2624.7034
1942 2625.3889too much money.2626.1862
1944 2627.1456Not that anybody else's money is less important.2629.5424
1946 2629.8548You know, cause people are making those decisions everyday and they're brave.2633.2249
1948 2633.8870Um,2634.4652
1950 2635.2812but I don't know if I'd be able to get another job.2637.2163
1952 2637.7526And making what I'm making now. And so, you have to m- and so,2641.0667
1954 2641.7149I am proud of the people who make those decisions and we need people up front and we need brave people.2647.8967
1956 2648.3117I'm not in a space to be there.2650.2142
1958 2650.6747Maybe I will one day,2652.0922
1960 2652.4326maybe I'll put myself in a position that I can make those types of decisions,2655.9962
1962 2656.2432but in my current space, I don't feel like I can do those types of things. Um, but I'm-2661.1142
1964 2661.4640I'm proud of the folks who are involved in activism and2664.6937
1966 2665.1600who are making noise. And,2667.2223
1968 2667.6457um,2668.1163
1970 2669.3321It- you know. There's not a perfect way to do it.2671.8037
1972 2672.0015People2672.7221
1974 2672.9785have criticisms for everybody who does anything. Anybody2675.8824
1976 2676.3906protesting peacefully, take a knee. You know,2679.6313
1978 2680.1105whatever it might be,2681.6679
1980 2683.0854we have folks who are taking a stand and saying, listen,2686.5779
1982 2687.2482this isn't right, we need to do something. And we're not ne- making a lot of progress.2690.9739
1984 2691.5101But were- but they're trudging. They're trudging along and- and so, I'm pr- very proud of the local activism that I'm seeing.2697.8878
1986 2698.1757Rochester, I've seen it in2699.4008
1988 2699.5929Buffalo, I've seen it in Syracuse.2701.2999
1990 2701.8454Um, I have a lot of folks in my friend network who are pretty passionate about,2706.5072
1992 2707.1414um, human rights issues, (laughing)2708.8200
1994 2709.3702black issues, um, both white and black and Latino. You know, so,2714.5915
1996 2715.0345I see that,2715.8088
1998 2715.9695um,2716.4660
2000 2716.9125<ts>2716.9871
2002 2717.5700I see, uh, a lot of investment in Rochester. It looks like we're growing.2720.9386
2004 2721.0994Besides the gentrification, I- I see2723.7069
2006 2724.0784a lot of, uh,2725.1740
2008 2726.4563<ts>2726.5356
2010 2726.6102infrastructure change. <clears throat> Like investment in the city.2729.7332
2012 2730.2461Um, a lot of housing being built for folks to move downtown. And- and, uh,2735.0196
2014 2735.5700Cause I don't think we've done a great job of retaining our college talent.2739.1837
2016 2739.4402[Um,]2739.9204
2017ROC_int_012739.4495[Mm-hm.]2739.9484
2018ROC_se0_ag2_f_032740.3821yeah,2740.6152
2020 2741.0570see?2741.4347
2021ROC_int_012741.7052[<laugh>]2742.9269
2022ROC_se0_ag2_f_032741.9896[We lost you.] Not that uh, you'd trade, uh, U of R for Stanford, but uh,2747.2181
2023 2747.6202um, I do see an investment,2749.6122
2025 2749.8749um,2750.5122
2027 2751.0158in,2751.5521
2029 2752.2935uh, getting some of the,2754.2982
2031 2754.5452um,2755.1274
2033 2755.5750college students to stay.2757.0077
2035 2757.1410I think- I think that's what the investment is really intended for.2759.8124
2036ROC_int_012759.8824Mm-hm.2760.4512
2037ROC_se0_ag2_f_032760.4466<laugh>2761.2719
2038ROC_int_012761.8874Yeah.2762.3211
2039ROC_se0_ag2_f_032762.4516Yeah.2762.7501
2041 2763.0904[So.]2763.4960
2042ROC_int_012763.2303[Like a] brain drain, they call it.2765.0196
2043ROC_se0_ag2_f_032765.1304[Yes.]2765.6573
2044ROC_int_012765.1444[Or some] people [call it- yeah.] [<laugh>]2767.7330
2045ROC_se0_ag2_f_032766.2775Yes.2766.5619
2047 2766.7018[Yes, yes.]2767.6950
2048ROC_int_012768.2516[Okay] cool, um,2769.8901
2049ROC_se0_ag2_f_032768.4725[<clears throat>]2768.8176
2050ROC_int_012770.2724my last couple questions are more so geared toward language [and] um,2774.8811
2051ROC_se0_ag2_f_032773.7603[Mm-hm.]2774.0447
2052ROC_int_012775.1791Rochester. So,2776.4589
2054 2776.8320have you ever been told, uh, that you sound like you have an accent?2780.9995
2055ROC_se0_ag2_f_032781.0974Yes.2781.4284
2056ROC_int_012781.9320And how have people described it?2784.1096
2057ROC_se0_ag2_f_032784.5060<ts>2784.5479
2059 2784.6225I've been told there is a Rochester accent,2786.9855
2061 2787.3632that we over-pronunciate things.2789.0931
2062ROC_int_012789.2563Really? [Okay.]2790.3847
2063ROC_se0_ag2_f_032789.7832[Yes], that we over-pronunciate things. Um,2792.7710
2064 2793.0368that it's a little extra proper. Something like that, [so.]2796.1749
2065ROC_int_012795.6806[Mm-hm.]2796.2169
2066ROC_se0_ag2_f_032796.7344And obviously we have our own special words. So,2799.1114
2067ROC_int_012799.5264Right.2799.9693
2068ROC_se0_ag2_f_032799.9693[<laugh>]2801.8531
2069ROC_int_012800.2666[<laugh>]2801.4030
2070 2802.0443Right.2802.4127
2071ROC_se0_ag2_f_032802.4267Yes.2802.9769
2072ROC_int_012802.9816And so, um,2804.5798
2074 2805.5963who has told you? Like where are these people from that have told you [that?]2809.4432
2075ROC_se0_ag2_f_032809.3546[<ts>]2809.4245
2076 2809.6157I think, um, folks in Boston have told me that, cause I've played, uh, sports in the Boston area.2814.5806
2078 2815.1494Um,2816.0587
2080 2816.6357New York,2817.2885
2082 2817.8108um,2818.5895
2084 2819.7925<ts>2819.9138
2086 2819.9930who else have- has told me, uh,2821.5738
2088 2824.4403<ts> I can't remember.2825.4521
2090 2825.8065But I've- I've- I've played sports in all of the-2827.7537
2092 2827.9576all2828.5611
2094 2829.0367different places. So,2830.3983
2096 2830.9905um, I've heard it m- multiple times, that we have an accent in this area.2835.0951
2098 2835.3029[So], yeah.2836.4146
2099ROC_int_012835.3258[Mm-hm.]2835.9274
2100 2836.6594Okay. [And] do you perceive, maybe, not just in Rochester, but kind of, Upstate New York in general for people to2843.9114
2101ROC_se0_ag2_f_032837.2574[<laugh>]2837.6118
2102ROC_int_012844.2040speak in a certain way that's different maybe,2846.8565
2104 2847.0957from the way you would say things or-2848.9881
2105ROC_se0_ag2_f_032849.6211Oh I- I think, um, Rochester's a little different from- I think it's just- I- I don't think our accents are different2855.7902
2107 2856.1061around here. <clears throat> In Upstate New York, or Western New York. I think2859.5566
2109 2860.0695just our- our usage of words is a little different. You know, like, we say pop here and2864.6491
2111 2864.9859Syracuse they don't say pop. Um, I don't know if- yep I think Buffalo does.2868.8288
2113 2869.3697Um,2870.0832
2115 2870.5728<ts>2870.6707
2117 2871.3748the- what- did- uh,2872.3820
2119 2873.1747thruway versus interstate. You probably hear interstate on your side of the-2877.0064
2121 2877.4913[<laugh>]2878.8669
2122ROC_int_012878.3726[Mm], Yes. [<laugh>]2879.9102
2123ROC_se0_ag2_f_032879.4591[Um], versus thruway versus, uh, let's see, um,2883.5426
2124 2884.8016um,2885.3705
2126 2886.5211cause I worked- I mean ca- because I w-2888.0148
2128 2888.1755played in New York and, uh, Boston. I think in New York they say bubbler.2892.2518
2130 2893.0760For a water2893.9339
2132 2894.4842drink,2894.9131
2134 2895.1276uh, for a water, uh,2896.4612
2136 2897.3062<ts>2897.3472
2138 2897.3880a fountain.2897.9009
2139ROC_int_012898.1201Mm-hm.2898.4371
2140ROC_se0_ag2_f_032898.4465A bubbler.2898.9594
2141ROC_int_012899.8127Wow, I don't know anything [about that]2901.2722
2142ROC_se0_ag2_f_032900.6380[<exhale>]2901.2862
2143 2901.3981A lot of people don't say so- don't say- well2903.6689
2145 2903.9289I think hoagies is a-2905.4630
2147 2906.1484our region.2907.3305
2149 2907.4756People are like, what the heck is a hoagie? [<laugh>]2911.0153
2150ROC_int_012909.5244[<laugh>]2911.0153
2151ROC_se0_ag2_f_032911.5702Um,2912.4033
2153 2912.5483<clears throat>2913.0998
2155 2913.4580so what else.2914.2094
2157 2914.8156We- we've had these discussions again because I've b- been in New York and been in, uh,2918.7033
2159 2919.0064Boston and- and they say different things than we do.2921.8368
2161 2922.5071Um,2923.0527
2163 2924.4096<ts>2924.4888
2165 2924.5867What do they call their subs2926.0602
2167 2927.4265[in Boston?]2928.1259
2168ROC_int_012927.7668[Hero?]2928.3684
2169ROC_se0_ag2_f_032928.6050[Mm.]2929.4723
2170ROC_int_012929.0527[No], not-2929.8733
2171ROC_se0_ag2_f_032929.8826That's New York.2930.6240
2172ROC_int_012930.6334New York, yeah.2931.4680
2174 2932.1581it's what my dad calls- (laughing) he's from New York2934.1072
2175ROC_se0_ag2_f_032934.1061Uh,2934.9780
2176 2935.5611if I think of it-2936.3491
2178 2937.1465if you said it, I would know it. It's- it's completely different.2940.0748
2180 2941.2487[<clears throat> Their liquor stores] too. They don't say liquor store. Um,2945.0629
2181ROC_int_012941.2580[/Yeah, think I've heard that/.]2942.6615
2182ROC_se0_ag2_f_032945.9582package stores.2947.0213
2183ROC_int_012947.8409Wow, [/oh, yeah/.]2949.2537
2184ROC_se0_ag2_f_032948.3398[Yeah, they're called package] stores.2949.9718
2185ROC_int_012950.1397That's [cool.]2950.8251
2186ROC_se0_ag2_f_032950.4288[Nobody] says liquor store, it's package store.2952.3825
2187 2952.5411[So.]2952.9001
2188ROC_int_012952.5644[Mm-hm.]2952.9187
2189ROC_se0_ag2_f_032953.0959[<laugh>]2953.8560
2191 2954.3398If you want some alcohol in the Boston area you ask for a package store.2957.2634
2192ROC_int_012957.3474Okay.2957.8136
2193ROC_se0_ag2_f_032957.9675[<laugh>]2961.6081
2194ROC_int_012959.4135[Put that down in the notes. <laugh>]2961.6051
2195ROC_se0_ag2_f_032962.4386So, um.2963.7535
2197 2964.3364Yeah, just- just our words are different, but I think we pretty much2967.4932
2199 2967.8989have the same accents around here.2969.6276
2201 2969.9354[Um.]2970.5323
2202ROC_int_012969.9447[Yeah.]2970.5323
2203ROC_se0_ag2_f_032971.1897You know,2971.7633
2205 2972.0337generally,2972.6492
2207 2973.4326you know, if you're talking inner city accent versus, you know (laughing), suburban accent2977.4975
2208ROC_int_012977.7633[well of those] I- do you think there's one or-2980.8967
2209ROC_se0_ag2_f_032977.7726[that's a little different.]2978.6632
2211 2980.7382<ts>2980.8175
2212 2981.1893Um, I don't think it's an accent. I think it's more, um,2983.8752
2214 2984.8963um, what's the right-2986.2766
2216 2987.4318I- we call it code switching.2988.9193
2217ROC_int_012989.1011Mm.2989.4462
2218ROC_se0_ag2_f_032989.4602Um,2989.9731
2220 2990.7565my wife points it out. She says,2992.3092
2222 2992.5237o- w- as soon as I get on the phone with my family, or she said we can be driving to their house,2997.1388
2224 2997.6704and my- my language changes.2999.7442
2226 3000.0380And without even thinking about it, and she's like,3002.5000
2228 3003.1715it happens automatically. Cause I don't pay attention to it.3006.1219
2230 3006.6488Um, but the way I speak changes when I'm around,3010.2556
2232 3010.4320um, my family, or predominantly around people of color.3013.6234
2233ROC_int_013013.7026Mm-hm.3014.3321
2234ROC_se0_ag2_f_033014.4534So,3015.1100
2236 3015.3492um.3016.0014
2238 3016.6205It's without even thinking about it though,3018.3664
2240 3018.5615[so.]3019.2270
2241ROC_int_013018.7094[Mm.]3019.2177
2242ROC_se0_ag2_f_033019.9078So,3020.4254
2244 3020.8031it's not an accent, it's more-3022.3092
2246 3023.5670I don't even like to call it like, <laugh>3026.3088
2248 3026.6259what's the right language. It's just the language that I grew up with.3030.1639
2249ROC_int_013030.3271[Yeah.]3030.7001
2250ROC_se0_ag2_f_033030.3317[It's the] culturual language I grew up with, [so.]3033.0829
2251ROC_int_013032.5653[Mm-hm.]3033.0829
2252 3033.6657[Yeah],3033.9069
2253ROC_se0_ag2_f_033033.6844[<laugh>]3034.3652
2254ROC_int_013034.3445maybe, uh, your dialect?3036.1126
2255ROC_se0_ag2_f_033036.0939Yes.3036.7421
2256 3036.8353And I- And I love3037.9451
2258 3038.3508being able to have that dialect. I love3040.9189
2260 3041.3665being able to communicate differently with the folks I grew up with.3045.9977
2262 3046.3899Um, versus the first- folks I work with, you know, so.3049.4835
2264 3049.8052And I think I'm somewhere in the middle.3051.2787
2266 3051.8942Like,3052.1460
2268 3052.5330some of this is my natural and some of this is my natural.3055.5068
2270 3055.9731Um, so it's easy for me to flex between the two.3059.0133
2272 3059.5157Um, and in my most comfortable space, I think it's somewhere in the middle,3063.0802
2274 3063.2762you know.3063.7357
2275ROC_int_013063.9641Yeah.3064.3558
2276ROC_se0_ag2_f_033064.3512So.3064.6916
2277ROC_int_013065.2033[Okay, cool.]3066.3317
2278ROC_se0_ag2_f_033065.6495[<laugh>]3066.6563
2279ROC_int_013066.6563So those are actually all the questions I have. [And if] you have any last thoughts about Rochester, or3072.9706
2280ROC_se0_ag2_f_033069.0456[Oh.]3069.3207
2281ROC_int_013074.9476anything we've talked about, you know,3076.8532
2283 3077.0257feel free to share them.3078.0660
2284ROC_se0_ag2_f_033078.5602<ts>3078.6162
2286 3078.6208I don't think I have anything.3079.8099
2287ROC_int_013079.9824Good?3080.2695
2288ROC_se0_ag2_f_033080.2575[Yeah.]3080.5699
2289ROC_int_013080.3753[Okay.]3080.7751
2290ROC_se0_ag2_f_033080.7938Yeah.3081.1202
2291ROC_int_013081.1341Um, and do you still consent to me using this interview for research purposes?3085.4562
2292ROC_se0_ag2_f_033085.4795I do.3086.0017
2293ROC_int_013086.0204Okay, [great.]3086.7665
2294ROC_se0_ag2_f_033086.4867[I] do.3087.0089
2295ROC_int_013087.0369[Thank you, appreciate it.]3088.4171
2296ROC_se0_ag2_f_033087.1954[<laugh>]3088.1607