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1	ROC_int_01	0.5174	The questions are pretty open ende-	2.5975
3		2.8790	uh, feel free, you know, if you wanna go off on tangents, tell a story, [that's fine.]	7.0235
4	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	6.4609	[Okay, okay.]	7.2031
5	ROC_int_01	7.4159	No right or wrong answers [here, just]	9.6199
6	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	8.7796	[Okay, okay.]	9.6542
7	ROC_int_01	10.0093	your perspective.	10.8886
9		11.1987	Um, if you see me	12.1726
11		12.3569	peek down, you don't have to stop talking. It's just me making sure that,	15.4629
13		15.8750	um,	16.3619
15		16.9009	my-	17.6762
17		18.0355	sorry,	18.3617
19		18.5380	/the wrong thing out-/	19.2376
21		19.6995	just making sure that my, um,	21.4061
23		21.8519	recorder is [still]	22.7226
24	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	22.6281	[Okay.]	22.8550
25	ROC_int_01	23.1041	going, the tape is still going. So,	24.7446
27		25.0519	okay, great.	26.0068
29		26.4417	Um, so I usually start off with questions about,	29.4303
31		29.6336	um,	30.1944
33		30.2724	where you grow up- grew up in Rochester [or what]	32.7585
34	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	32.3377	[Okay.]	32.6072
35	ROC_int_01	32.9476	neighborhood were you born in.	34.1161
36	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	34.3336	Okay.	34.6645
37	ROC_int_01	34.7401	So, um, yeah. Where'd you grow up?	36.4846
38	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	36.6689	Oh, okay. I was like, [oh. <laugh>]	38.0777
39	ROC_int_01	37.2788	[<laugh>]	38.4323
40	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	38.4748	I grew up in, um,	40.2154
42		40.4187	well,	40.9765
44		41.3074	it's northeast Rochester	42.6453
46		43.0991	and the area actually has been, um,	45.5366
48		45.7257	knocked down	46.4510
50		46.5230	and,	47.0998
52		47.2085	um, school has been put there.	48.5805
54		48.9351	So right where, um,	51.8330
56		51.9559	like /RD-ADDRESS-2/,	52.9543
58		53.2663	/RD-ADDRESS-3/, that [area.]	55.0326
59	ROC_int_01	55.0184	[Mm-hm.]	55.5260
60	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	56.1264	So yeah, we- /RD-SCHOOL-2/, uh, what is it, /RD-SCHOOL-4/?	59.0385
62		59.7012	When I was eighteen, they tore all the houses down in that neighborhood and put /RD-SCHOOL-4/ there.	63.3366
63	ROC_int_01	63.5352	Oh, [wow.]	64.3719
64	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	64.3058	[Right.]	65.0054
65	ROC_int_01	64.6320	[I-]	64.8163
66		65.1670	wow.	65.6539
68		65.8005	[<laugh>]	66.4056
69	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	65.9990	[<laugh> Right.] Razed the whole neighborhood.	68.4573
70	ROC_int_01	68.7315	That's crazy.	69.6203
72		70.0154	A whole neighborhood. Okay, and what was y-	72.1578
74		72.2405	uh, the neighborhood like when you were coming up?	74.5972
75	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	75.0510	It was uh, a inner city working class neighborhood. All the neighbors on my street owned houses. The- the n- the woman who owned the corner store was our next door neighbor.	83.5221
77		83.9239	My grandmother had lived there for	85.7921
79		86.1264	decades. It was her first home in the city after moving	89.9045
81		90.2827	from, um, /RD-ADDRESS-3/ Houses.	92.4100
83		92.8824	And so, we had a very very close-knit neighborhood. There was like a	95.9045
85		96.1503	/RD-ADDRESS-1/ Street area where	98.1158
87		98.2718	I still have those same friends today.	100.1497
89		100.5940	And it was one of those old school neighborhoods people talk about where	103.3388
91		103.4179	d- every person on the street had the right to discipline you, and I wasn't	106.1413
93		106.2205	a bad child, so	107.0945
95		107.4443	they never had to discipline me. (laughing) What, like everybody, we all, you know, fictive kinship, so we're all cousins.	112.3672
97		112.9117	And, um, it just- I've really a lot of fond memories about,	116.9726
99		117.3839	you know, we had crime of course, and we had, you know, drug usage	120.6278
101		121.0781	and, um-	122.3049
103		122.9679	but everyone in the neighborhood really stuck together, and it was a- a code	126.9965
105		127.5118	that	127.8581
107		127.9692	people	128.4301
109		128.5389	you know, in this particular area, so there was not like, oh it's somebody robbing a house in the neighborhood that they lived in,	133.6367
111		134.1386	you know an outsider would maybe have come in, or maybe a relative who was on drugs	137.4526
113		137.8071	may have taken something. But it was really, uh, a place where people	140.9848
115		141.2449	know, worked at Rochester Products and Kodak and they owned,	144.2279
117		144.6534	um, houses in- in this- in that area but they owned other houses in the city, and, um,	149.2777
119		149.4573	yeah, so it was a really, really good neighborhood.	151.7360
120	ROC_int_01	152.2379	Yeah.	152.6681
122		153.3016	Okay, cool.	154.3794
124		154.7766	And what schools did you go to?	156.8661
125	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	157.2754	Well, I didn't go to the neighborhood schools. I went to- my grandmother raised me, and she, uh,	161.7437
127		161.8162	worked at /RD-WORK-3/ School and the /RD-WORK-1/ hel- High School for a while. So she put me in, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-2/ day care.	166.5752
129		167.1055	And, um, so I went to, uh, /RD-SCHOOL-3/ School	171.0010
131		171.2815	cause that was one of the three schools that they,	172.6731
133		172.8504	uh, transport to, /RD-SCHOOL-3/, Forty-Six, and Twenty-Eight.	175.3341
135		175.8313	And then I went to, when I got to fourth grade,	178.8711
137		179.3675	they put me in the /RD-SCHOOL-5/ program, so then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/ School	182.2615
139		182.4412	and- for elementary. So /RD-SCHOOL-3/ and /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	184.3700
141		184.7151	And then for seven through twelfth I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/.	186.4595
142	ROC_int_01	186.8897	Okay.	187.4248
144		187.5382	And, uh,	188.5296
146		188.8322	maybe we can zoom in on the high school experience. [How was] /RD-SCHOOL-2/ for you?	192.5622
147	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	191.2229	[Okay.]	191.5515
148		193.2977	Well, you know, the class of- of- of- of nineteen ninety was probably the best last graduat- no (laughing)	198.3002
149	ROC_int_01	198.5866	[<laugh>]	199.3761
150	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	198.6528	[g-]	198.8703
151		199.3871	graduating class a- you know, from /RD-SCHOOL-2/. But it was really,	202.4120
153		202.5207	like I s- we all-	203.5802
155		204.0057	many of us went to that high school from seventh to twelfth grade, and I believe when we got to ninth grade,	208.6111
157		208.9893	there was, um,	210.0624
159		210.4406	sort of,	210.9181
161		211.3767	uh, a	211.8683
163		212.4270	reorganization of the city prop-	214.1129
165		214.2004	uh, the city schools, and /RD-SCHOOL-2/ was threatened to be closed down	217.0930
167		217.5563	as a high school.	219.0888
169		219.1708	But they ended up making- I think Charlotte became	221.4951
171		221.8686	the middle school, and then we stayed the high school. So I had the same classmates pretty much from seven through twelfth grade, and	227.3060
173		227.7173	again, just really, um, I'm still in contact with	230.3884
175		230.4617	you- several people	231.3678
177		231.7068	from that time. And just	233.3046
179		233.6025	I have very fond memories about my high school experience. Very, um,	238.1133
181		239.1155	just, it was a s- very special time in my life, and I was a-	242.2602
183		242.4209	able to	243.0449
185		243.3380	interact with a lot of de- different people.	245.1439
186	ROC_int_01	245.3370	Mm-hm.	245.9043
188		246.0934	And what kinds of like activities were you into? Like did you do sports, or,	250.0991
190		250.5057	um, you know, like	251.7348
192		251.9521	any clubs?	252.9242
193	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	253.4336	I was a student aid, and I was always a r- a really good writer, so I did activities around writing.	258.1130
195		258.5063	But I had a s-	259.2772
197		259.3706	some trauma at my home, um,	261.2051
199		261.3457	and so	262.0944
201		262.3781	once I got to school,	263.6781
203		263.8056	I would- I still wanted to get back home,	265.5234
205		265.9576	and I liked being home with my grandmother.	267.7257
207		268.1748	And, as appealing as after school and extracurricular activities were, I wanted to be around my grandma, and come back home. So I've always been a home body.	275.2195
209		275.7802	But, being involved in just	277.3087
211		277.4364	certain special projects during the time of school,	279.9100
213		280.3119	but never did sports, never really was interested in that. But always interested- like, I've always been a book worm	285.1962
215		285.6689	and so- and I've always been	286.6948
217		286.9359	really, you know, centered around my house. I wanted to go home and be home with my grandma.	291.1064
218	ROC_int_01	292.4017	Yeah.	292.7657
220		293.1041	So what made your grandmother, um, did she-	295.8744
222		296.0683	was she born in Rochester, or did she migrate here from	298.8619
224		298.9635	somewhere [else?]	299.6513
225	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	299.6106	[Yes.] My grandmother migrated here from, uh,	302.3187
226		302.3777	Florida and Georgia. We always go back /if I'm like/, Grandma what day, which one you came from really?	305.7727
228		306.1848	And so, she went to- um, she was born in Georgia, spent some time in Florida,	310.4442
230		310.8744	probably go- went back to Georgia, then went to New Jersey with her husband	313.8678
232		314.2365	when she was in her late teens. And then she came up here	316.6286
234		317.2046	and, um,	318.4007
236		318.6559	so	318.9750
238		319.1476	I- my mother was her fifth child- is her fifth child,	321.8514
240		322.3241	and she had custody of me	324.3333
242		324.7020	and several of my cousins and stuff. So she was always just like-	327.5519
244		327.6536	is	327.9620
246		328.1275	still the center	329.0494
248		329.5647	of our- our family structure. But just this-	331.5747
250		331.6586	this	331.9210
252		332.1615	absolutely wonderful woman who had these	333.8379
254		334.1823	strong Southern sensibilities that she passed. I definitely always say that	338.0446
256		338.4228	I'm a- a- an upstate Southerner.	340.3430
258		340.8061	[You know, strong] Southern roots.	342.2799
259	ROC_int_01	340.8912	[Mm.]	341.2623
260		342.4312	Yeah, I w- I wanted to talk about that a little more. I feel like Rochester is a place where, you know, a lot of black folks, we got [connections to the South.]	350.7035
261	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	349.8664	[Yup.]	350.2446
263		350.5897	[Yup.]	350.9301
264		351.1144	Yup.	351.4028
265	ROC_int_01	351.6723	Um, so	353.0905
267		353.2919	do you find yourself	354.5852
269		354.9540	visiting frequently, or-	356.8166
270	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	357.0388	When we were younger. My grandmother's siblings have all passed on. She's eighty-nine. She just turned eighty-nine in, um,	361.9657
272		362.4100	in July. And so when we were younger we went down south a couple of times.	366.0321
274		366.4340	And, uh,	367.4965
276		367.6288	I'm assuming my grandmother probably left something behind there that she wasn't anxious to go back	371.9659
278		372.4340	and find. And- but she instill- like we have dirt under our fingernails. And we have,	376.7880
280		377.2095	you know, I've always known how to cook really well, and you know we got up the same as everybody else on Saturdays and did our chores, and	382.4901
282		382.8172	those are really Southern practices, and being able to	385.4315
284		385.7529	take care of, uh, different members of the family, and	388.2490
286		388.5421	just have that intergenerational	390.3031
288		390.3973	legacy of,	391.5071
290		391.7198	you know, care taking and- and- and family rituals	394.6036
292		394.9543	and really just strong, strong	397.4929
294		397.8522	beliefs that her parents and her granparents instilled in her.	400.8211
296		401.3561	So yeah.	401.8759
297	ROC_int_01	401.9468	Yeah. And so, do you see yourself,	404.2068
299		404.6322	uh, maybe moving back down there cause there's also a lot of people who [are migrating] back south. Are you	410.3439
300	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	408.4481	[Right.]	408.8311
301	ROC_int_01	410.9159	thinking [of that, or-]	412.2282
302	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	411.5805	[Um],	412.1714
303		412.4031	Southern weather does not appeal to me in that way. If I move anywhere, I wanna go to Toronto. <laugh>	416.8619
304	ROC_int_01	417.3063	[<laugh>]	417.6561
305	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	417.4954	[Um],	418.1431
306		418.4645	but I do wanna a- we have a lot of family now. My husband's family's from South Carolina, and [they]	422.0874
307	ROC_int_01	421.9007	[Okay.]	422.1796
308	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	422.1938	got strong	423.1172
310		423.2314	for real /Southe-/ like his mother	424.9231
312		425.3060	and his father are like first generation. They moved here in their late twenties	428.0413
314		428.4242	but, um,	429.4879
316		429.6089	you know, definitely could see myself visiting, probably wouldn't wanna go any, uh,	432.8377
318		433.4734	any farther than Virginia	434.8907
320		435.0727	c- weather. I'm not interested in sliding of the side of a- of the land or anything.	439.1370
322		439.6050	Um, but really I'm interested in South /Cariol-/	441.7040
324		441.8234	Sou- South Carolinian culture,	443.3358
326		443.7944	um, because of my husband's family strong, uh, background. So for my children,	447.6528
328		448.0310	we've never been to South Carolina.	449.5048
330		449.6372	Um,	450.2376
332		450.4739	but I'm really interested in Geechee and Gullah culture, and I- something I	453.3806
334		453.6500	focus on in my classrooms and,	455.3756
336		455.7774	um, and my children's, uh, experiences as they've growing up, and I just-	459.6453
338		459.8864	I really could see myself visiting South Carolina on a more regular basis.	463.5672
339	ROC_int_01	463.7657	Mm.	464.1723
341		464.3913	And does, uh, your husband like have some of the language [of-]	468.7115
342	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	468.2624	[Oh.]	468.8864
343	ROC_int_01	469.0188	yeah.	469.3166
344	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	469.6787	I tease him	470.3925
346		470.5391	that he should have, uh, when I first met him,	472.9454
348		473.5268	I thought his family was West Indian cause, you know, I wasn't sophisticated enough to be able to tell dialects at that time, and	479.1392
350		479.3897	I only knew Florida and Georgia,	480.7190
352		481.0310	and that's a very different sounding, um, tone.	483.4089
354		483.8108	So when I first heard his mother, and his- her- his uncle speak,	487.2248
356		487.6361	and she would say things, and I was like, is his mother West Indian?	490.5104
358		490.9359	And then I found out they're from South Carolina,	492.8183
360		493.1870	and then just like Daughters of the Dust and,	495.2198
362		495.5366	um, Mama Day, and reading about the, ugh-	498.2265
364		499.6948	those Sea Coast Islands and just really being caught up	502.0471
366		502.2882	in the beauty of the language. So I tease him that he probably shoulda been educated as an ESL student	506.4871
368		506.9315	because in many ways his- his parents have this heavy-	509.5221
370		509.8814	hi- his mother and his siblings- I mean her siblings have this heavy speech pattern	513.3191
372		513.7351	that I hear him say tha- I'm like, yeah you know. I said, really.	515.9807
374		516.2218	And it's not like they don't speak proper English. The- there's no such thing as proper English, you know, in [my estimation.]	520.7043
375	ROC_int_01	519.8580	[Mm-hm.]	520.3355
376	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	521.1628	But I just love the musicality in their voi- I think it's just the-	524.1278
378		524.4918	one of the prettiest things that	526.3296
380		526.4265	we could ever experience and get the closest that we could	529.0736
382		529.4612	to our enslaved ancestors and just our African roots and,	533.1486
384		533.3519	you know, going beyond just American soil, so I'm very, ugh-	536.7282
386		537.5555	I'm in love with South Carolinian culture. L- in love. I know more about his family structure than he does. I was like look at /??/.	543.0516
388		543.3191	I told his mother, I said, oh Miss /RD-NAME-2/, you know,	545.2006
390		545.5363	you're, uh-	546.5149
392		546.6859	you're a- you're Gullah. She like, is that what I is? I said- so I'm like, (laughing) yeah that's what you is. <laugh>	550.8035
394		551.3188	[Yeah.]	551.7396
395	ROC_int_01	551.3897	[Yeah.]	551.7679
396		552.2123	It's cool.	552.8608
398		553.0877	Okay.	553.5132
400		553.7496	So I- I	554.4540
402		554.6383	wanna backtrack for a little bit. Um,	556.5104
404		556.6192	after high school,	558.2482
405	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	558.4278	[Mm-hm.]	558.7068
406	ROC_int_01	558.5791	[uh], what was the next big step for you?	560.6828
407	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	561.0146	So I,	562.0026
409		562.1586	um,	562.4470
411		562.6598	because I- I- I don't like to say I graduated early,	564.9526
413		565.1370	but I was put up a grade, so I graduated younger than my class age.	568.4376
415		569.0285	And, um,	570.2766
417		570.4751	like I said, I had- my mother	571.7854
419		571.8477	was	572.3234
421		572.4557	always, um,	573.5427
423		573.8263	on drugs or incarcerated, and so I had a lot of things that were	577.4098
425		577.5232	barriers.	578.2946
427		578.7910	And because I was not a-	580.6016
429		580.8475	I didn't make a lot of noise,	582.2657
431		582.6297	sometimes you get pushed in the corner. And so although I did well academically, I had a-	586.4598
433		586.8238	an- a guidance counselor who wasn't really,	589.0018
435		589.0858	um, engaged. And at that time I didn't know	591.6392
437		591.9796	people. I didn't have friends whose families had gone on to college and,	595.1478
439		595.5685	you know, people like, oh you're really smart and all. But there was nothing-	598.1734
441		598.5563	you know, my grandmother had always told me, you know, own property and own- so those things- educa- not that she didn't push education,	603.2732
442	ROC_int_01	603.3867	[Mm-hm.]	603.9540
443	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	603.6561	[but it wasn't] necessarily at the forefront.	605.4384
444		605.8166	So I went to, uh- I actually was supposed to go to a school in Syracuse,	609.6561
446		610.0911	and my grandma was so afraid I was gonna get kidnapped. And I was like, oh okay. I was all, you know like, okay whatever.	613.6981
448		614.0299	And I ended up going to cosmetology school. I was too young for the program, and they tried to kick me out,	617.9537
450		618.3650	and I was like, no. You said I had to be a high school graduate. I'm sorry I'm seventeen, but I'm staying.	622.9846
452		623.3533	I'll be eighteen before the program finishes. So I went there,	626.2048
454		626.6776	um, then, uh, so I graduated from there at eighteen. Worked in that field for like a year.	631.3814
456		631.9732	Then at nineteen, I got pregnant. I had my first son, and then I went back to school. I started going to /RD-SCHOOL-3/,	637.1545
458		637.7935	and, um,	638.5830
460		639.7980	d- and kept going to school, and kept working, and kept doing things, and	643.1592
462		643.3814	yeah.	643.7029
463	ROC_int_01	644.0488	Mm-hm.	644.6256
465		644.7437	And	645.2590
467		645.4198	what made you decide to go back to school? Like,	647.8308
469		647.9821	why not continue, I guess, doing hair, or-	651.0324
470	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	651.3146	Well,	651.6857
472		651.8062	even though I was always a really good hair stylist, I always was more, um,	655.2207
474		655.6753	I was involved in more conversations than anything. I would be leaning on the clients, cracking jokes. I'm always so funny.	660.3366
476		660.8519	And I wasn't really-	662.2500
478		663.1172	it was just something so I wouldn't be laying around the house. You know, I wasn't invested I [guess.]	666.8188
479	ROC_int_01	666.6486	[Okay.]	666.8858
480	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	667.3066	Um,	667.9440
482		668.2332	so when I had my son, he was a preemie. So I was pregnant. My twentieth week, my water bag broke.	672.8188
484		673.3956	Um, then I ended up having him eight weeks later. I was on bed rest, and I remember being in the bed for that time, and	678.0482
486		678.4123	I had my- /I was a-/ had a lot of friends and	680.5405
488		681.3772	when I got on bed rest, it seemed like those relationship- and we're young, so I mean I'm not angry with them, but I understood.	686.3277
490		686.9470	Um, and so I was on social services probably for like a year and a half and, um,	691.6130
492		692.3750	I didn't even have all the benefits. I was getting-	694.7618
494		694.9414	I didn't get rent or anything cause I still lived at home.	697.0930
496		697.5768	So I got health insurance and I had food stamps. /And I always make that so- I never had saw food stamp/. I would always tell my grandma to go grocery shopping.	703.1828
498		703.6281	But I remember and, um, being home with my firstborn son, he had a lot of medical appointments.	708.0482
500		708.4595	And it was-	708.8141
502		708.9843	I was taking him to an appointment one day. We were going to the doctor's all the time. So I had stopped working,	712.6347
504		713.0508	and, um, that's why I went to apply for benefits.	715.3483
506		715.8408	And there was a sign on, um-	717.1929
508		717.4623	on a bus. I was driving, but there was a sign on a bus.	719.6322
510		719.9868	And it said,	720.6544
512		720.7243	do you want to change your life? And it talked about this /RD-SCHOOL-1/ program. It was some acronym for	724.4854
514		724.7974	like	725.1094
516		725.2001	supportive living or supportive services at D- um, at	728.1217
518		728.3722	/RD-SCHOOL-3/.	728.9301
520		729.5163	And so that next morning, I called. And I was like, well you know,	732.4860
522		732.5758	I wanna, you know, find out about this program, and this is-	735.0603
524		735.1383	you know, I qui- I qualify, and	736.6367
526		737.1581	that changed my life. So I l- I look at this little person that I was responsible for. I knew-	740.7518
528		740.9267	I d- I didn't grow up on social services. My grandmother always worked.	743.6167
530		744.1509	And, um,	744.8986
532		745.7543	even though I had, you know, my family, uh, you know, had relatives who were on DSS, and-	749.8105
534		750.3211	but it never was anything that- like she had owned restaurants. She had n- it was nothing that was instilled in me, and had I not needed health insurance for this child,	756.2501
536		756.7332	I- it would never have been something I considered, but	758.9740
538		759.3191	I just wanted a different life. I wanted to-	761.5552
540		761.8814	you know, I always knew I was smart. I always knew- like I never had stopped learning. That never- school wasn't equivalent to learning for me, like I'm gonna learn regardless.	768.7087
542		769.4423	But, um,	769.9765
544		770.1561	yeah, so seeing that sign, and then I saw it again in the newspaper	773.0777
546		773.4276	like the next morning, but I-	774.3888
548		774.4857	I called and it just-	775.6219
550		775.7531	yeah it	776.1579
552		776.2211	changed my life.	777.0478
554		777.4315	[Changed my life.]	778.0755
555	ROC_int_01	777.4599	[Yeah.]	777.9137
556		778.6756	Okay, cool. And	780.1364
558		780.2924	when you continued school, d- were all the schools located in Rochester? Or did you [leave?]	784.9309
559	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	784.6662	[So] I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/, did extremely well there, and, um, I met my husband, and we had a baby.	791.8783
560		792.5079	And I was working	793.8600
562		794.3044	in, um, the field I was- uh, had a human services degree from /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	797.5001
564		798.0588	And so I did that for like seven years, but I was take like a- a c- I would take an English class, and a-	802.6256
566		802.9857	a social work class. And I always made the joke when I was a child that I would make- I would be	806.4840
568		806.9000	an English teacher or a social worker, and I woulda made twenty thousand a year.	809.8555
570		810.3141	But when I became a social worker, like,	811.9409
572		812.0615	that was still the b- I was like, what? You know, like [this is],	814.4175
573	ROC_int_01	814.0866	[Right.]	814.5736
574	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	814.8194	you know, like I should not qualify for services.	817.2407
576		817.7371	And so I ended up going	819.6564
578		820.0299	back to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. I went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/,	821.6467
580		821.8386	did extremely well there.	822.8975
582		823.3703	And when I got ready to go to grad school, I remember one of the professors who,	826.3967
584		826.8222	um, just fell in love with me. By this time I had /uh/ my third child. I was married.	829.7012
586		830.1645	And she was like, you don't need to go here. You've already done this.	832.7134
588		833.0869	You need to go to another school. So I apply for /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	836.5616
590		837.4086	I was still working on my	838.2895
592		838.3829	bachelor's degree,	839.1389
594		839.6069	and I applied for their Ph.D. program.	841.3930
596		841.4644	And they said, you know, you-	842.3441
598		842.7126	you are a w- b- beautiful candidate, but we only accept seven people,	845.5688
600		845.8241	and we need to make sure that you gonna finish your degree. /But/ like,	847.9521
602		848.0419	if you were done with your bachelor's degree,	849.4879
604		849.8850	you would absolutely get in.	850.9487
606		851.3325	But they said, you know, um, I took my GRE's	853.9072
608		854.0194	like	854.5755
610		855.0388	within two weeks. I didn't study	856.2727
612		856.6272	and I remember getting like an average, and I cried, but I got a hundred percent on the English.	860.1642
614		860.5944	And I remember crying. I was driving home, told my husband, like, oh I got an average. He's like, you got a average, you didn't study?	865.1119
616		865.4192	I was like, but I did get a hundred.	866.4885
618		866.7201	Cause it's something about language policy. I'm like, oh I can do this all day.	869.2919
620		869.9773	And then I went to /RD-SCHOOL-3/. They gave me a partial scholarship for my master's degree.	873.3110
622		873.6561	So I went from /RD-SCHOOL-3/. I tell people I went from a community college	876.4406
624		876.8330	to, um,	877.9968
626		878.4081	a k- a state college, and then I went to a private university.	881.2115
627	ROC_int_01	881.2434	Mm-hm.	881.8201
628	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	881.9159	And then when I finished, um,	883.6414
630		883.7690	/RD-SCHOOL-3/ and my master's program, I had considered,	885.7412
632		886.1336	uh, applying for- they had doctoral program in visual studies.	889.5374
634		889.9893	I met this woman at a Christmas party,	891.5590
636		891.7339	and she said, do you know about	893.0525
638		893.1660	/RD-SCHOOL-3/? They had this /RD-SCHOOL-2/ internship program.	895.5969
640		896.1912	And then I applied,	896.8948
642		897.1525	and I did that for a year, and then I got a full time job,	899.7376
644		900.0591	and a tenure track job. And I was like, oh,	901.8650
646		902.7065	well,	903.1556
648		903.5346	you know. And so	904.4612
650		904.8536	the next stage of school is coming,	906.4326
651	ROC_int_01	907.0196	[Yeah.]	907.4882
652	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	907.0550	[/you know/ yeah.] [<laugh>]	908.4006
653	ROC_int_01	907.7387	[Yeah. Okay], cool.	909.1995
654		909.4926	Um, I'm curious to know, what was your experience like at /RD-SCHOOL-3/? Did you like it? I went there for undergrad, [so.]	915.4292
655	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	915.2090	[Um], <exhale>	916.0627
656		916.3653	I was a d-	916.8853
658		917.1642	d- I didn't have the traditional /RD-SCHOOL-3/ experience, but no.	919.3079
660		919.4131	I- I didn't-	920.2500
662		921.4312	I was there for a year. I was a mom. I was the oldest student in the class, even though I was probably like twenty-nine. No, ma- maybe I was	926.5897
664		926.9395	thirty-one. Maybe I was thirty-one.	928.7029
666		929.5026	And I remember being, um- so in the- the-	932.2068
668		932.3580	the Ph.D. and the master's program, they combined all our cla- well	935.1812
670		935.3750	everybody took classes together. I was in classes with people	937.5118
672		937.8900	who were freshman. So freshman all up to Ph.D. students.	940.8494
674		941.5074	And, um, I didn't feel	944.0602
676		944.2351	supported as a black student.	946.0268
678		946.4429	I remember being, you know- I know that's the-	948.5049
680		948.7176	always the story that folks tell.	950.4384
682		951.0388	And I knew that they had more investment in their doctoral students cause it was a fully- fully funded	954.2118
684		954.3347	program.	954.8452
686		955.1573	And the master's program was a one year- it was	956.9628
688		957.0337	fifteen credits a semester.	958.2585
690		958.9028	And, um,	959.8767
692		961.0074	but I remember just feeling,	962.2507
694		962.7045	you know, and I took all the black studies, and all the race, and all the post-colonial things, and	967.1965
696		967.5085	a- poetry is also. I have a crea- my	969.1799
698		969.2668	bachelor's degree is in creative writing.	970.7184
700		971.0683	And I remember my, uh, creative writing-	973.0736
702		973.2532	this	973.4801
704		973.7921	poetry professor- he's this award-winning professor.	976.0566
706		976.5530	And his wife is this award-winning novelist. And I had them both.	979.0925
708		979.6078	And him-	980.1703
710		981.0260	he had missed a day during the regular semester, so he wanted to use like exam week to make up one. I don't wanna make /this up, I did all my time/, whatever.	986.4256
712		987.0118	And we had to write this particular type of	988.4537
714		988.6003	like really	989.1297
716		989.5410	creative-style, really skilled poem. And I had done this thing,	992.6620
718		993.1584	and he emailed me. And he was like, you know, I could cry. I wanted to hug you and /just/ tell you	996.9668
720		997.4017	that this was one of the best pieces I've ever seen in my life,	999.4846
722		999.6642	but that was it.	1000.3071
724		1000.8886	No	1001.2999
726		1001.5410	well let me take you up under my wing. And his wi- I had the same experience in his wife's class.	1004.9078
728		1005.2529	So in all of my classes, I got A's in all my classes.	1007.7679
730		1008.0563	And my professors were always commenting on my writing style and my articulation in terms of	1012.5010
732		1012.8035	my ideas and the way I laid out my arguments. But not one of them said-	1016.2223
734		1016.4634	except for one crazy lady who was mad because I wouldn't be her friend, I had to report her. It was a whole,	1019.8369
736		1019.9220	you know, whatever.	1020.4846
738		1020.9904	But, none of them said, you know what, let me	1023.2549
740		1023.4156	push you to the next level. Let me connect you.	1025.4020
742		1025.8227	And so I felt very, um,	1027.7893
744		1028.7944	very isolated, very	1030.4632
746		1030.8272	just black in this,	1032.0266
748		1032.1247	you know blank white space. And, um,	1034.3358
750		1034.8747	you know, so I understood, I was there to just get this degree,	1037.5042
752		1037.5716	and	1037.9368
754		1038.0845	people love the /RD-SCHOOL-3/ name.	1039.3733
756		1039.8035	I knew that I was gonna stay here, so I needed something.	1042.2910
758		1042.8110	I-	1042.9340
760		1043.0616	I made the joke that a lot of my colleagues, they had	1045.1370
762		1045.2882	degrees from every and anywhere, but if you go to MCC, you see the majority of black folks	1048.9576
764		1049.3405	have at least one degree from RIT or /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1052.0068
766		1052.4890	You know, so	1053.5015
768		1053.6292	I knew where I was gonna be at. So I knew /RD-SCHOOL-3/ would mean something,	1056.6093
770		1056.7440	you know, on the scope of the universe but	1058.1581
772		1058.8672	I'm not in love with /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1059.9034
773	ROC_int_01	1060.2201	Yeah.	1060.5983
774	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1060.6739	Yeah.	1060.9292
775	ROC_int_01	1061.1372	Yeah. And so, not having that support, at least from them, did you feel like, uh,	1066.4990
777		1067.0947	there was other support within the community maybe, in terms of a writing circle or,	1071.9932
778	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1072.4848	[That was-]	1073.1183
779	ROC_int_01	1072.6030	[uh, mentors?]	1073.9787
780	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1074.3144	I've [always had really] good mentors, but not for writing, um,	1077.5488
781	ROC_int_01	1074.5508	[/??/]	1075.1842
782	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1078.1965	so	1079.0380
784		1079.4918	my writing life, even though i- I've always	1081.8177
786		1082.0919	been a writer,	1082.7632
788		1083.2407	um,	1083.6662
790		1083.7899	I was a mother first, and mothering my children has always been the s- most single	1088.1439
792		1088.7048	greatest	1089.2418
794		1089.3387	thing that I thought I could do. So I stayed at home. I was a stay at home wife.	1092.0566
796		1092.5530	Um, and	1093.3849
798		1093.4770	I had like a little summer camp every year for them, camp /RD-NAME-1/, /just/ my three kids.	1096.8795
800		1097.3475	And the youngest two are sixteen and eighteen, and they still like, mom can- I be like /??/ I don't get y'all dusty butts up in-	1102.4682
802		1102.7093	camp /RD-NAME-1/ is over. They're like, so it's not.	1104.5644
804		1104.6673	So you heard me telling /RD-NAME-2/ about going to /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1106.9512
806		1107.5497	Um,	1108.2257
808		1108.4195	so for me, I was involved in the things that they were involved in. So like they were in s-	1112.5616
810		1112.6532	sports or,	1113.5922
812		1113.9657	um, their preschool parent and I was, uh	1116.0515
814		1116.1354	the PTA president for seven years for th- all the three kids. They went to the same school.	1119.3320
816		1119.6239	My husband does school based planning, so	1121.1982
818		1121.8419	my mi- I didn't have enough space	1123.5994
820		1123.7057	to	1124.1868
822		1124.5460	write, but	1125.3198
824		1125.5053	if somebody would've	1126.2040
826		1126.3943	pointed that out to me,	1127.3447
828		1127.7150	I probably would have. I would've	1129.0210
830		1129.4134	made more space cause I've always written with my children. We've always done a particular Christmas card that had a story attached to it.	1135.0919
832		1135.6592	And, um,	1136.6555
834		1136.8656	but now	1137.6215
836		1137.6829	that,	1138.1609
838		1138.4256	um,	1138.9598
840		1139.4501	I'm older, I'm forty-three now, and I'm- I'm teaching writing and,	1142.7129
842		1143.1998	um, I now am- I've created a writing group and- with black women <exhale>	1146.7825
844		1147.0141	you know, and, um,	1147.8651
846		1148.2815	a-	1148.3122
848		1148.5864	people hate to say no, I- cause I get embarrassed by the knowing sometimes.	1152.0296
850		1152.4787	But now making sure that I mentor other people, so I wanna give people	1156.0961
852		1156.3845	something that I didn't get. So if I have students who come through	1158.8380
854		1159.2068	and they're brilliant, I'm like, listen, you oughta blah blah blah.	1161.5374
856		1161.7746	My Black Student Union leadership team, I always make sure they have experiences that,	1165.5235
858		1165.9064	you know, they would necessarily get a chance to- anybody I know that can get them somewhere, I'm like, oh hold on.	1170.0864
860		1170.3180	I gotchu, come on.	1170.9562
862		1171.2493	You need to know this person.	1172.1428
864		1172.5967	You know, and, um, I have conversations with them about	1175.5380
866		1175.8689	the ways that they navigate this world because I know it woulda made a- a g-	1178.7479
868		1178.8945	greater difference. But if you have a particular skill set,	1181.5486
870		1182.2483	people think you alright.	1183.1560
872		1183.6303	If you not a whiner or complainer, if you not broke down enough, if you not, you know, if you don't look needy enough, you got all your teeth, you got your eyes /okay/. You know, they're like, oh	1189.8194
874		1190.0841	/to you/, she fine.	1190.8973
876		1191.4267	You know, but really being conscious of being a mentor where I didn't have those	1195.3561
878		1195.5499	mentors.	1195.9943
880		1196.2543	You know, but I've had /munte-/ mentors, like I've had two consistent mentors.	1199.1286
882		1199.5683	You know, and now that I do teach, I have a really good, uh, writing, uh, mentor.	1202.8358
884		1203.3086	Um, but that's-	1203.7813
886		1203.8664	I'm forty-three.	1204.4668
888		1204.7823	<laugh> You know,	1205.5699
890		1205.6928	it's been a while.	1206.3483
891	ROC_int_01	1206.9101	Mm-hm.	1207.4491
893		1207.7296	Okay, so you're a [professor now.]	1209.4409
894	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1209.0202	[<clears throat>]	1209.3464
895		1209.4740	Mm-hm.	1209.7009
896	ROC_int_01	1209.9940	What are your favorite courses to teach?	1212.1829
897	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1212.5827	Um, I like- so I teach at a community college so we are	1215.5120
899		1215.5770	teaching heavy, five five load.	1217.1806
900	ROC_int_01	1217.4454	Woof.	1217.8472
901	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1217.8583	<laugh> Right.	1218.7957
902	ROC_int_01	1218.8335	[<inhale>] [<laugh>]	1219.6703
903	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1218.8902	[Don't cry.]	1219.4504
905		1219.6490	[Don't] cry. I know.	1220.5070
906		1221.3511	So, um,	1222.9289
908		1223.0613	I like teaching-	1224.0675
910		1224.2707	and this is gonna sound so cliche, I love teaching every single class. I think that any student	1228.3136
912		1228.7390	who comes into the college should always takes my college composition course	1231.8355
914		1232.2705	because it's a whole life course. I, uh, I use them as the model for a book. We take-	1236.2282
916		1236.6395	uh, I send 'em on a scavenger hunt, well,	1238.0688
918		1238.2697	they figure it out,	1238.8748
920		1239.0332	throughout the college. I'm introducing the services, we got through scholarship stuff,	1242.0533
922		1242.3416	and I incorporate the writing voice in everything that they do. Like I want you to be observant	1246.4412
924		1246.7769	in every area of your life.	1248.1336
926		1248.5213	My, uh, introduction to literature course, it's the first time they get like the little sampler platter	1252.4932
928		1252.7721	of different things. And so I cover liter- um,	1255.3541
930		1255.4983	poetry,	1256.1901
932		1256.6831	uh, non-fiction and fiction, and drama. And we do f- a-	1259.7143
934		1259.9223	a little bit of film or maybe a play.	1261.5202
936		1261.8936	But really just immersing them into stories, and so I like that class.	1265.6954
938		1266.0121	I love women's,	1266.7827
940		1266.9056	uh, lit	1267.4410
942		1267.5125	because, you know,	1268.2340
944		1268.4389	/uh/, I am woman, hear me roar.	1269.7374
946		1270.2007	I love love love my black lit courses, and	1272.7496
948		1273.0332	I don't like the name minorities in lit	1274.5064
950		1274.5927	but, you know, it is what it is.	1276.0825
952		1276.5013	We're working to change that. But my black lit course has a, um-	1279.4134
954		1280.0043	a particular significance to me. Uh, this past semester- I teach it only in the-	1284.1512
956		1284.9406	in the, um,	1285.9982
958		1286.1129	spring semester,	1287.1169
960		1287.6220	but I started the semester out with thirty-two students. I ended up with twenty-nine, which is	1292.0989
962		1292.4259	beyond fantastic.	1293.6692
964		1294.2554	But I was looking at my students one day, and I had Facebook lived from- we were doing this party, and it was the most ridiculous thing, but I'm trying to incorporate different	1300.6620
966		1301.1017	medias, and I want them to see	1303.1912
968		1303.4039	that they matter to the world. And people are always interesting in what I do in my class, so I	1306.4824
970		1306.8322	Facebook lived, and I was going around asking my students, you know, different things about the course and blackness and	1311.5794
972		1311.9907	black, white students, whatever.	1313.2246
974		1314.0613	When I looked at them,	1314.9643
976		1315.3264	this was like the end of April,	1316.4014
978		1316.8939	I said, you know, we have something here	1318.2300
980		1318.3281	cause we talk,	1318.9315
982		1319.1962	and I don't teach just,	1320.1082
984		1320.2051	um, the canonical texts. I don't just do like,	1322.2896
986		1322.5401	you know, Their Eyes Were Watching God or The Color Purple.	1324.6053
988		1324.8227	Like we are reading, um,	1326.2552
990		1326.3923	documents from, you know, enslavement.	1328.4354
992		1328.7190	We are looking at the Voting Rights Act.	1331.2246
994		1331.5366	We are, you know, watching film. We're watching-	1333.9571
996		1334.2226	/you kno- know/, we're listening to music. And so I try to approach in a- this multilayered approach.	1337.8250
998		1338.3450	And so I contacted one of my colleagues in the, um,	1341.4943
1000		1341.8725	he does like the films for /RD-SCHOOL-3/.	1343.4373
1002		1344.0188	And he came and he made a- a little short documentary, so I'm waiting to see. It's g- it's p- should be about	1347.5611
1004		1347.9874	maybe seven minutes long. He filmed, um,	1350.2176
1006		1350.3026	like a hour and a half	1351.3876
1008		1351.4656	wha- hour and twenty minutes of class,	1352.5791
1010		1352.9668	and we aks group of students a series of questions	1355.4393
1012		1355.8230	about, you know, colleges and how they talk about race and,	1358.4799
1014		1358.9006	you know,	1359.4443
1016		1359.6854	like, let's talk. And let's not- let's not sugarcoat this thing. So black lit has	1363.2413
1018		1363.8795	a particular,	1365.2268
1020		1365.5861	um,	1366.1439
1022		1366.4890	special place. I love creative writing. I teach that	1368.6881
1024		1369.0616	in the fall, um,	1370.3049
1026		1370.7068	because I'm creative writing.	1372.0967
1028		1372.2952	And so I cover-	1373.1564
1030		1373.4117	some people teach	1374.3600
1032		1374.4191	mostly, uh, composition,	1376.2340
1034		1376.5967	well we all have to teach three comp and two lit	1378.7296
1036		1379.1645	and-	1379.6373
1038		1379.9445	but I teach comp, lit, and creative writing.	1382.2799
1040		1382.5588	So I'm one of the few people who does that, cause we have a creative writing degree now	1385.2071
1041	ROC_int_01	1385.5474	[/Oh cool/.]	1386.1040
1042	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1385.6514	[at /RD-SCHOOL-3/.]	1386.3074
1043		1386.4090	Right.	1386.7246
1044	ROC_int_01	1387.1339	Very cool.	1387.8667
1045	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1387.8809	Alright.	1388.2165
1046	ROC_int_01	1388.4907	Okay. What would you say are some of the most challenging aspects	1392.9393
1048		1393.3561	of, um, being an educator,	1395.3854
1050		1395.5225	um, at /RD-SCHOOL-3/?	1397.0577
1051	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1397.9749	Um,	1398.6212
1053		1398.7334	the challenges- it's twofold.	1400.2874
1055		1400.6122	As an educator, the challenge is /that the/ preparedness, or the lack of preparedness of the students,	1404.6645
1057		1405.2933	um,	1405.8322
1059		1406.0591	or	1406.5650
1061		1407.2457	not even necessarily lack of preparedness. Letting them understand that they have skills that fit in particular categories.	1411.7613
1063		1411.9929	Cause someone may know how to do something, but they don't know that that thing	1414.5515
1065		1414.6484	is this thing. Like oh, I didn't know I was doing that.	1417.0494
1067		1417.5552	And so just trying to let them see where the skill sets- and then that true lack of- what I would say the American education system	1422.9548
1069		1423.3614	problem of, um,	1424.8931
1071		1424.9900	sentence writing and structure.	1426.5864
1073		1427.0483	But then as a black woman educator, I, uh, actually published a chapter about this	1430.8594
1075		1431.2282	in my girlfriend's texts,	1432.6039
1077		1432.7410	um, her anthology,	1434.1970
1079		1434.5421	and it was- the title of it was, I'm Not Your Mama, Do Your Work: The Plight of the Black Female Academic,	1439.3130
1081		1439.8283	you know, in higher ed. And- and just looking at	1442.7176
1083		1443.0816	someone looking at me as a pseudo mom,	1444.9395
1085		1445.4926	um, my- my colleagues code switching when i-	1447.6823
1087		1447.8809	hey girl. What?	1448.9256
1089		1449.5355	Um, assuming that I only can teach black related stuff. Like I do Shakespeare better than any of y'all, you know.	1454.9824
1091		1455.5355	And, um, the-	1456.9443
1093		1457.0766	the lack of visibility.	1458.1876
1094	ROC_int_01	1458.5260	[Mm.]	1458.8759
1095	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1458.7265	[And], um, in our- in our job there are-	1461.2065
1096		1461.6414	there were	1462.2123
1098		1462.3730	three hundred- I think our cap is three eighteen full-time and tenure track professors.	1466.3414
1100		1466.9952	And there are at this present moment- I think we counted eighteen black folks.	1470.5510
1102		1471.2271	And like four or five on they way out.	1472.9573
1104		1473.2221	And so there's like nine at Brighton, nine at Daemen, the downtown campus.	1476.7752
1106		1477.3850	And so that- that lack of- of- of visibility, and I- I-	1481.5555
1108		1482.1890	I'm very, uh, vocal,	1483.6025
1110		1483.8341	and I'm very- very present	1485.7638
1112		1486.1325	in- in black related stuff, and so	1488.3639
1114		1488.6570	for me, the challenge is that intersection of my blackness and my womanness.	1492.7329
1116		1493.2246	And	1493.6725
1118		1493.7789	as a woman I don't feel, um-	1495.7112
1120		1496.6765	I feel like I'm a black woman. That's a particular thing.	1498.9409
1122		1499.2482	So that impacts the way that,	1501.4762
1124		1501.5850	you know, I- my students-	1502.4926
1126		1502.9890	I remember walking into a course one time and, you know,	1505.7318
1128		1506.4504	uh, my student's like, you the teacher?	1508.0294
1130		1508.3286	I was like	1508.7966
1132		1508.9573	yeah. So she was so older black woman.	1510.7774
1134		1511.1887	She's like,	1511.6150
1136		1511.8325	you've been speaking to me all time,	1513.7944
1138		1514.0307	and I didn't- and then she said, can I call my friend?	1516.1392
1140		1516.4985	And I was like, yeah.	1517.4899
1142		1517.5785	Cause class hadn't started. She called her friend. She said, can you tell her?	1519.6856
1144		1519.9693	I was like, hi, I'm her. And you know they started laughing, and I'm- and then- just seeing	1523.3258
1146		1523.7190	like my mother's friends and my uncle's friends who are like	1527.2226
1148		1527.2835	fifty something, sixty years old,	1528.9003
1150		1529.2468	and they know my-	1529.7377
1152		1529.8323	my mother struggles and my uncle struggles, and they like-	1532.2305
1154		1532.5921	and I'm like, oh there go my uncle such and such. And I've never really met these people, but they feel	1536.0802
1156		1536.3261	like they can do it because I offer myself bare to them. I'm like, you know, this is the- the journey I've taken.	1540.8038
1158		1541.4799	So the challenge is- is that	1543.5645
1160		1543.6780	people have different expectations	1545.4161
1162		1545.6158	for me, and sometimes I have those	1547.0861
1164		1547.3650	for myself and knowing how to l- you know, lay boundaries out but also	1550.2118
1166		1550.6562	being able to be heard and be visible and not be invisibilized,	1554.6320
1168		1555.1859	um,	1555.5736
1170		1555.7958	yeah.	1556.0889
1171	ROC_int_01	1556.4812	Yeah.	1556.7460
1173		1557.1289	Okay.	1557.6111
1175		1557.9562	Um, I wanted to ask a question about your writing.	1560.4343
1176	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1560.5430	Mm-hm.	1560.8124
1177	ROC_int_01	1560.8321	Um, and just- sorry,	1562.5285
1179		1562.7176	I [got scared] for a second [looking down.]	1564.3722
1180	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1562.7980	[Mm-mm.]	1563.0533
1182		1563.9089	[No, no.]	1564.1831
1183	ROC_int_01	1564.7221	[<laugh>]	1565.1712
1184	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1565.1097	[No, no.]	1565.4832
1185	ROC_int_01	1565.5825	I wanted to ask about your own writing and, uh,	1568.5049
1187		1568.9398	I guess, uh, what inspires you?	1570.9301
1188	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1571.8567	I'm inspired by everything and- and nothing. I think that, um,	1576.0933
1190		1576.1796	I'm most inspired by black stories and	1578.2821
1192		1578.8428	I have been, um-	1580.3366
1194		1580.7668	I was telling someone, I think that in the past	1583.0180
1196		1583.5758	that like ninety-nine point nine percent of the stuff that I read- even- all my classes got black stuff in it, so whatever.	1588.7154
1198		1589.3583	Um,	1589.8074
1200		1590.0202	by black people and their stories and I- I just l- I love everything about us. So if I look at my black children, my black husband,	1596.0296
1202		1596.4740	if I look at my black friends, if I see someone, like I l- everything, like black black black, all black, everything.	1601.6467
1204		1602.1053	You know, um, I'm inspired by blinking. I'm inspired by	1605.8116
1206		1606.0961	when I teach my creative writing song, I tell my students to listen to the pauses, listen to the spaces.	1610.1334
1208		1610.6108	And being able to create something	1612.6303
1210		1613.0369	not from nothing but from little.	1614.8948
1212		1615.0933	And, um,	1615.8308
1214		1616.2326	so in my own writing I talk a lot about love and, um, love of us as people, love of my husband and our children,	1622.3035
1216		1622.6061	love of my grandmother, love of myself, and broken love, and promises, and,	1626.4977
1218		1627.1500	um,	1627.7363
1220		1628.0199	also, you know, uh,	1629.6698
1222		1629.8116	that revolutionary spirit like, yo, you know, black folks be stay woke.	1633.3628
1224		1633.9443	And so I'm very inspired by i- once again it g- always cycles back to blackness, but I'm- I want people to know I'm a educator all the time.	1640.2090
1226		1640.6865	And so I'm- I- I wanna sh- show you something and teach you something in- in the things that I write. So I'm-	1645.2635
1228		1645.7457	I'm inspired by everything. If I-	1647.5367
1230		1647.6785	i-	1647.7447
1232		1647.8818	if someone has a- a really good meal or has a pretty color that pops out,	1650.9881
1234		1651.3202	if I'm feeling kind of down, I'm l- up,	1652.8801
1236		1652.9652	whatever like, up, down, inside out,	1654.7091
1238		1654.8154	twisted,	1655.2791
1240		1655.4281	crazy, straight lines.	1656.6407
1242		1657.1300	I love it all.	1657.8769
1243	ROC_int_01	1658.4798	Mm-hm.	1659.0093
1245		1659.5415	And how would you /ecs-/ assess I guess the creative writing community here in Rochester?	1664.7993
1246	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1665.4706	So I think Rochester's pretty dope.	1667.2907
1248		1667.4798	I think that, uh, we have so much,	1669.4520
1250		1669.9247	you know, pure magic. The one critique that I do have is that I think that people operate in silos in many ways.	1675.5843
1252		1676.0429	And that, you know, um, and so for me- this is how I see it,	1679.3943
1254		1679.6283	and it's how	1680.1627
1256		1680.2975	I told my- my black	1681.5532
1258		1681.8416	m- women's writing group	1682.7681
1260		1683.7656	that	1684.2195
1262		1684.4709	we all have these dynamic experiences	1686.8110
1264		1687.5579	a-	1687.6146
1266		1687.7328	but I teach writing. I'm a- one of very few	1689.8813
1268		1690.1283	black female profe- black	1691.3092
1270		1691.4605	english professors in this area.	1692.6758
1272		1693.2871	There's no reason why I don't know everybody's stuff. Like y'all not on my email list because	1696.9895
1274		1697.8074	I got students.	1698.7056
1276		1699.0223	My students wanna come see you.	1700.1947
1278		1700.5974	At the v- I- I have a built in audience, and I want my students to know	1703.4575
1280		1703.7506	I shouldn't have to- every year before I teach black lit, I go	1706.6769
1282		1706.9331	and I'm looking through calendars and websites trying to find stuff. And I said, there's no reason	1710.9325
1284		1711.2681	why y'all not plugged in.	1712.5304
1286		1712.8480	So I made the commitment to take my students to- or have them go to,	1716.7339
1288		1716.9561	you know, spoken word pieces that I know,	1718.6817
1290		1718.9472	when Rena does her stuff, when Lou does her stuff.	1720.9848
1292		1721.3441	I want them to know when, um,	1723.0270
1294		1723.3249	you know, the Sankofa Theater is happening.	1724.9155
1296		1724.9923	I'll pass that information on to my students.	1726.7612
1298		1727.0968	But I think that, um,	1728.3969
1300		1729.1778	there are a lot of people	1730.2887
1302		1730.6622	who	1731.0526
1304		1731.1625	just write in vacuums, and-	1732.4823
1306		1732.8037	and sometimes,	1733.9943
1308		1734.1290	um,	1734.7089
1310		1735.7281	because people don't have-	1737.0140
1312		1737.6711	there's a lot of academic bashing	1739.4400
1314		1740.1160	that,	1740.7732
1316		1742.0543	oh,	1742.3632
1318		1742.4554	you have to be like a guerrilla writer.	1744.0257
1320		1744.4882	It's like, it's okay	1745.4696
1322		1745.5712	<laugh> to have some degrees.	1747.0793
1324		1747.2045	It's okay.	1747.8380
1326		1748.4089	You know, and, um	1750.3140
1328		1750.6694	coming through with- so for me I've been a writer before I was an educator,	1753.3938
1330		1753.6539	but now I am a educator and I teach writing. So when I go to some of this stuff I'm like, oh,	1756.5991
1332		1756.9253	I hear you cause it's, you know	1757.9094
1334		1758.0229	finesse this thing, and it could be a little bit-	1759.8382
1336		1760.1077	little bit on a higher level.	1761.2517
1338		1761.5354	But people aren't always	1762.9773
1340		1763.2145	interested in that because they wanna do it how they do it and,	1765.5309
1342		1765.8099	oh well you teach college and you know, this that. It's like, girl please.	1768.6983
1344		1769.1658	I been black all my life, and I'm straight up and down, and you can add a little comma, period, exclamation point,	1774.0067
1346		1774.3168	pause, double dash of that thing. And you would need to read somebody's stuff.	1777.1533
1348		1777.5985	And so I tell my students- I'd had some of the top	1779.4470
1350		1779.6833	poets in Rochester come in my creative writing class,	1781.8627
1352		1782.2645	and I said, don't tell me about anybody's poem-	1784.0334
1354		1784.3880	about your poem if you can't tell me about anybody that you reading. I don't wanna know-	1787.2812
1356		1787.8107	don't tell me you write and you don't read. I l- I-	1789.7971
1358		1790.1233	I'm, uh, ugh- I'm not interested.	1791.4470
1360		1791.8961	You gotta study, folk. Whether you adapt to their style,	1794.0376
1362		1794.3260	but you can't just	1794.9847
1364		1795.1265	pop out of the clouds, and, I'm so great. Cause somebody else did that,	1797.9358
1366		1798.2242	and you need to know that.	1799.0382
1367	ROC_int_01	1799.8135	Mm-hm.	1800.1869
1369		1800.9717	Nah, I share that same sentiment. I mean, I	1803.3827
1371		1803.6427	don't write as much anymore but I was a creative writing major [at /RD-SCHOOL-2.]	1807.0426
1372	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1806.4706	[<exhale>]	1806.8252
1373		1807.5485	Oh, hey. [So my first born] son went to /RD-SCHOOL-2/. [Yeah],	1810.4338
1374	ROC_int_01	1808.6480	[/So/.]	1809.2390
1376		1810.0946	[Oh, great. Yeah.]	1811.4609
1377	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1810.5047	[yeah. Whe- when did you graduate?]	1811.7965
1378	ROC_int_01	1811.9147	Two thousand eight.	1812.5435
1379	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1812.9556	He graduated two thousand ten.	1814.2367
1381		1814.5960	/RD-NAME-1/. But he was, um-	1815.8866
1383		1816.3641	cello, he played cello.	1817.4940
1384	ROC_int_01	1817.5743	I probably would know him [by face.]	1819.0824
1385	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1818.4395	[Yeah.]	1818.9169
1387		1819.0351	[He] got a pointy face. You probably would. <laugh>	1820.6007
1388	ROC_int_01	1820.7520	<laugh>	1821.0782
1390		1821.6124	But yeah, nah. I share the same sentiment. I'm all about like,	1824.9737
1392		1825.2487	you gotta read the greats, and	1827.1917
1394		1827.5510	[learn] different techniques [and skills] [and-]	1830.1038
1395	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1827.5982	[Yeah.]	1828.1088
1397		1829.0307	[and- right],	1829.6878
1399		1829.9431	[and put] your ego away.	1831.0398
1400	ROC_int_01	1831.3471	Mm-hm.	1831.7403
1402		1833.2626	Yeah. That was one of the greatest	1834.9369
1404		1835.0031	lessons though that /RD-SCHOOL-2/ taught me, [so.]	1837.0946
1405	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1836.9150	[Good.] Good. Hey, viva la /RD-SCHOOL-2/. <laugh>	1838.6283
1406	ROC_int_01	1838.6378	Yeah. Yes, for sure.	1840.3795
1408		1840.7517	Um,	1841.3569
1410		1841.7965	so	1842.6096
1412		1843.0359	I wanna move more into questions, I guess, more Rochester [related.]	1847.1678
1413	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1846.8794	[Yeah.]	1847.0307
1414	ROC_int_01	1847.5034	Um,	1848.0329
1416		1848.8847	let's see where should I start? Okay, well what are some of your favorite aspects of Rochester?	1853.3616
1417	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1854.9586	<ts>	1855.0576
1419		1855.1580	I love the seasons.	1856.6545
1421		1856.8513	I think that we-	1858.4397
1423		1858.5142	and I don't like s-	1859.7103
1425		1859.7888	I like snow	1860.6347
1427		1860.9987	but I want it like, on the sidewalks.	1863.0702
1429		1863.2072	<laugh> That's it.	1864.1669
1431		1864.5262	But on the grass part of the sidewalk, not on the walking part. I wanna little sprinkle at night if it's the weekend, you can get on the ground, and so I can stay home.	1869.8265
1433		1870.1669	On the trees, but on the street when I gotta drive, I don't like that.	1872.8852
1435		1874.0482	But I do like	1874.7337
1437		1875.0779	the fact that my children, know, see, like true- well, construction not	1878.1136
1439		1878.2199	counting.	1878.6094
1441		1879.1201	But my children know true seasons. I love	1881.2786
1443		1881.4228	Rochester's rich history with black folks.	1883.2843
1445		1883.6199	I don't think we talk about that enough.	1885.0476
1447		1885.1847	Um,	1885.7898
1449		1886.7125	I love its proximity to everything else.	1888.2631
1451		1888.5279	Like you can get from downtown Rochester to	1890.1920
1453		1890.7120	anywhere pretty much in twenty minutes.	1892.3051
1455		1894.1260	I like that my family is here. I like,	1896.1400
1457		1896.4945	you know-	1897.0098
1459		1897.4314	I just think that Rochester has such a rich	1899.2562
1461		1899.3838	legacy,	1900.0262
1463		1900.2017	and	1900.7926
1465		1901.2039	it's one of those things that- particularly black people, we don't always own our place in Rochester,	1905.6108
1467		1906.0079	and we don't own the ways that we helped build this city.	1908.3338
1469		1908.7687	And, um,	1909.5592
1471		1909.6408	learning about Rochester's history, you know, July sixty-four,	1913.0120
1473		1913.3722	learning about Jefferson Avenue, Corn Hill, and	1916.1945
1475		1916.5963	Clarissa, and Pythodd or Pythodd, depending on who- who you talking to.	1919.9489
1477		1920.3649	And jazz and blues and,	1922.2606
1479		1922.4828	you know, cooking and,	1923.6742
1481		1923.9814	you know, dancing. I remember my own neighborhood block parties and a motorcycle club, and,	1927.9723
1483		1928.3316	you know,	1928.6920
1485		1928.8457	a- just- <exhale> Rochester. So I love	1931.3207
1487		1931.8549	a lot	1932.4019
1489		1932.5142	about- I think every area of this city has,	1935.2737
1491		1935.7134	uh, a unique	1936.6880
1493		1936.7767	story that helps quilt this thing together.	1939.6764
1494	ROC_int_01	1940.1925	Mm.	1940.4242
1496		1941.1758	I like the way you put that.	1942.2395
1497	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1942.4239	[Thank you.]	1943.0526
1498	ROC_int_01	1942.4712	[<laugh>]	1943.0715
1499	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1943.5774	[<laugh>]	1943.7901
1500	ROC_int_01	1943.6247	[Um],	1944.1730
1501		1944.3432	so	1944.9862
1503		1945.6575	what are some of the major changes, I guess in your lifetime, you feel like the city has gone through?	1951.1705
1504	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1952.3060	Um,	1952.8874
1506		1953.1995	well I didn't like that they tore my street down. Like I really (laughing) was traumatized, and	1956.8585
1508		1957.2840	I had to work at /RD-SCHOOL-4/, and I was mad every day for a while. I'm like, you know, I used to live up under this doggone school.	1962.3196
1510		1962.8113	You know, and my h- my- my neighborhood was so precious. It wasn't perfect, but it was ours, you [know.]	1967.2323
1511	ROC_int_01	1967.1755	[Mm.]	1967.3883
1512	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	1967.8563	Um,	1968.4228
1514		1968.5107	I think that the educatio- uh,	1969.8358
1516		1969.9102	RCSD	1970.7874
1518		1970.8666	is-	1971.3681
1520		1971.8221	I have such fond memories of school,	1974.2520
1522		1974.7248	and-	1975.2645
1524		1975.6380	even though I was one of only a few black kids in that school, which is a shame.	1978.9425
1526		1979.4483	But I remember going on field trips. We'd be at the Eastman Theatre looking at Paddington the bear. I still love Paddington the bear.	1984.6352
1528		1985.1032	Fro- I remember going on par-	1986.4067
1530		1986.4918	on trips to Letchworth.	1987.6555
1532		1987.9424	Just like, we had	1988.7283
1534		1988.8571	just so many experiences. Recess,	1991.3430
1536		1991.7462	art.	1992.0487
1538		1992.5081	I remember auditioning	1993.7601
1540		1993.8523	for, um,	1995.2751
1542		1995.3791	choir. I never could sing,	1996.7264
1544		1997.1708	but we had this like really dramatic, uh,	1999.3975
1546		1999.7623	music teacher. And I went down, and I had this theory that if I sang	2002.6035
1548		2002.9912	in a quiet voice	2004.2156
1550		2004.4000	for all the notes until I got to high notes and then I yelled for the high notes. That was, you know, me hitting a high note.	2008.6933
1552		2009.0479	And he was like, oh that was very dreadful.	2010.8585
1554		2011.1895	And even being rejected, I don't think that kids in the cities get rejected. Like, I had to,	2015.1755
1556		2015.4025	you know, audition. I didn't just get on choir because I was there, or I didn't just-	2018.6558
1558		2018.9395	you know, we got a certificate.	2020.1071
1560		2020.5799	So um, I have	2021.4872
1562		2021.6278	really good penmanship	2022.7104
1564		2022.9072	because we had to write. That was, you know- we got a grade for that.	2025.6074
1566		2026.0991	So my educational experiences,	2028.4534
1568		2028.8457	um- it makes me sad when I look at some of the things that these kids are missing out on. I'm very committed,	2033.7962
1570		2034.2501	you know, we were committed to city living. We could live somewhere else, but love-	2037.3088
1572		2037.8107	love the city, love neighborhoods,	2039.3235
1574		2039.6686	you know, um,	2040.6046
1576		2041.4461	love my street. It has a lot of diversity.	2043.3088
1578		2043.4136	Um, I hate the word diversity and inclusion but whatever.	2045.8482
1580		2046.4250	Um,	2046.8316
1582		2047.9992	but just really	2048.8880
1584		2049.2095	I like the n- I like neighborhoods. I like that each	2051.3897
1586		2051.6922	area has its own identity.	2053.1577
1588		2053.7581	But I think that in some ways, it gets in, uh- in the way	2056.1605
1590		2056.6853	because people are like, I'm from over here and this is what we- just like, okay well	2059.4083
1592		2059.8196	alright take that over there and get 'em some of that.	2061.4317
1594		2061.6831	You know, I'm always	2062.5624
1596		2062.8366	talking about, when we did the Fresh Air Fund and the Fresh Air Fund,	2065.7629
1598		2066.0938	you know, folks go downstate, and they take urban kids and they,	2068.6947
1600		2068.9642	you know, take them	2069.7159
1602		2069.7915	from downstate to upstate rather. And they take 'em to farms.	2072.5051
1604		2072.8076	I'm like, well why can't somebody go from Browncroft	2074.8299
1606		2074.8960	neighborhood, and get somebody off of	2076.3494
1608		2076.6188	Joseph Avenue,	2077.4556
1610		2077.6494	and take those kids, and let them experience some stuff cause you have people who haven't been off their blocks.	2081.3755
1612		2081.8766	So I think that we can do a better job of	2083.6494
1614		2084.0040	ka- talking across communities	2085.6397
1616		2086.0376	as well as, you know, our city schoo- our schools man.	2088.9734
1618		2089.9094	Charter schools can't be-	2091.2103
1620		2091.3466	<exhale>	2091.9147
1622		2092.6711	<exhale>	2093.3188
1624		2093.4417	[I c- I could cry] about it.	2094.4534
1625	ROC_int_01	2093.4718	[I know.]	2093.9333
1626		2095.3610	Mm-hm.	2095.8432
1628		2096.4153	Yeah.	2096.8265
1629	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2097.8769	You know, yeah. (laughing)	2098.5955
1631		2099.9286	<exhale> <laugh> [Yeah. <exhale> Yeah.]	2102.1411
1632	ROC_int_01	2101.3090	[Mm-mm.]	2101.9567
1633		2102.3680	I mean just looking at the graduation rates, it's just like-	2105.4086
1634	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2106.0515	Right, and then you wonder how many of those kids have just been pushed through.	2108.6895
1636		2109.2709	Cause then they come to school, and we looking at their stuff. And I'm like-	2111.5268
1638		2112.3777	but I had to tell somebody recently,	2113.6447
1640		2113.8811	y'all kids in Irondequoit,	2114.8124
1642		2114.9589	if you all call my kids dumb, are dumb too.	2116.4698
1644		2116.9851	I see the way they write.	2117.8849
1646		2118.0362	I- I see the things that they say to c-	2119.3449
1648		2119.5860	you know, critical thinking.	2120.7962
1650		2121.2123	You know, but they have more opportunity, and they have more people who are willing to work with them and give them supportive services.	2125.3733
1652		2125.8318	You know, we look at, um, special education,	2128.2239
1654		2128.5218	and we always think of the remedial courses, but we don't consider, you know, major achievement or anything like that.	2133.0799
1656		2133.6283	I think we need more, um, hands on, exploratory, expeditionary learning.	2137.3591
1658		2137.8697	I think that we need, um, more people who are invested in- in-	2141.2664
1660		2141.3544	in these	2141.7713
1662		2141.8517	urban schools	2142.9750
1664		2143.2806	and not the ones	2144.6013
1666		2145.0785	who are not true urban communities. Like if you are,	2148.1333
1668		2148.4311	you know, Browncroft, it's not a true- like there's street signs on Brown. Y'all don't even look like the rest of the city.	2152.7378
1670		2153.2776	You know, the nineteenth ward has something very beautiful happening.	2155.9392
1672		2156.2223	But we can duplicate that throughout-	2157.8609
1674		2157.9815	but if you see the schools, they don't represent	2159.8674
1676		2160.1558	the neighborhoods,	2160.9547
1678		2161.4756	you know. And so, um,	2163.2626
1680		2163.7732	level of poverty, it's, uh, disheartening, the le- the level of violence.	2166.9642
1682		2167.6127	You know, um,	2168.8608
1684		2169.9528	I want more people to use the libraries	2171.7067
1686		2171.9194	I- I made a commitment like eight months ago	2173.9673
1688		2174.1753	not to buy,	2174.9789
1690		2175.4328	um,	2175.8819
1692		2176.0852	books cause I have <exhale>	2177.1867
1694		2177.8627	a million and one books.	2178.8980
1696		2179.2392	And I've been using my- I go to everybody library. Everybody at my house, I'm using everybody's library card. Like if I stay here long, know I'm gonna use your library card.	2184.6681
1698		2185.3763	Yeah.	2185.6749
1700		2185.7612	So I don't know if we use enough sense that says listen to you talking about Adams Street. My son had to take	2189.8249
1702		2190.2125	swimming lessons there when he was, um-	2192.1532
1704		2192.2375	for boy scouts and almost an eagle scout.	2194.5140
1706		2194.9064	So I wanted to make sure I used all areas in the city. Like I'm using all these libraries. So I'm gonna-	2198.9350
1708		2199.4739	that's something I'm taking away from the day.	2200.8496
1709	ROC_int_01	2201.6541	Yeah	2202.0040
1711		2202.3349	[Okay.]	2202.9069
1712	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2202.5098	[Mm.]	2202.8124
1713	ROC_int_01	2203.1858	Uh, I don't wanna- I know you hate this word [diversity, but]	2206.5376
1714	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2205.9325	[No, what? No no, go] ahead.	2206.8733
1715	ROC_int_01	2207.1049	I'm [curious to know-] [<laugh>]	2208.9400
1716	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2207.3744	[It's all we got.]	2207.9803
1718		2208.8644	[It's] all we got right now.	2209.8051
1719	ROC_int_01	2209.9452	[whether] or not you, uh perceive Rochester to be a demographically	2214.9022
1720	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2209.9659	[<laugh>]	2210.0226
1721		2215.3324	[Diverse?]	2215.8240
1722	ROC_int_01	2215.6680	[diverse] place?	2217.0957
1723	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2217.2990	Um,	2217.8758
1725		2218.2161	theoretically, you could look around and say,	2220.1295
1727		2220.3869	um, that we have this group of black folks and this group of white folks, but when you do the scramble, and I think there was a study	2225.4595
1729		2225.7912	that was just released that, you know, New York schools were th- you know, some of the most segregated.	2230.0034
1731		2230.3816	So if you do it demographically	2232.0985
1733		2232.3207	in terms of just numbers, and you look, okay. Well you might see some numbers that might make you think that,	2236.6889
1735		2237.0907	but when you start looking at how the neighborhoods mix. I know my neighborhood- I live	2240.4812
1737		2240.9066	on /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Avenue in the city	2242.2492
1739		2242.4289	but I live, and I hate to say this, I live between /RD-ADDRESS-4/.	2244.7935
1741		2244.9731	When people hear that, like, oh	2245.8902
1743		2246.3393	that's not- that's different.	2247.4314
1745		2247.5779	That's upper /RD-ADDRESS-1/. I'm like, we on upper /RD-ADDRESS-1/?	2249.4217
1747		2249.7100	But if you look at how the street is structured,	2251.2378
1749		2251.7390	all the other part of /RD-ADDRESS-1/ Avenue goes together,	2253.6819
1751		2253.9561	then you get the significant gap,	2255.5454
1753		2255.6911	and then you cross over,	2256.8786
1755		2257.0724	and here I am.	2257.7059
1757		2258.3157	And	2258.7317
1759		2258.8830	my next door neighbor is a English professor at FLCC.	2261.0671
1761		2261.3176	Lady down the street is the head director at the library.	2263.0960
1763		2263.4128	You got black and white folks. My cousin own a house right on the corner that we wanted to buy incidentally, but	2267.0882
1765		2267.1887	they paid too much for it.	2268.3170
1767		2268.8427	But,	2269.2347
1769		2269.3789	you know, um, so I think the numbers are there, and I think-	2272.2161
1771		2272.4762	so if you look at Browncroft, all white. You look at Joseph, all black. So you-	2275.9611
1773		2276.0841	mix- oh well you got fifty and fifty. That sound good. /Half and-/	2278.2445
1775		2278.6700	But then when you start like, wait a minute, wait a minute. What do those neighborhoods look like and,	2282.0557
1777		2282.5710	um, how do they mix together? What do the schools in those neighborhoods look like? But, you know, white folks still	2286.7509
1779		2287.1527	are m- you know, the majority	2288.3913
1781		2288.5521	in this area,	2289.3557
1783		2289.6205	you know.	2290.0601
1784	ROC_int_01	2291.4973	Yeah.	2291.7715
1786		2292.1647	Okay.	2292.5476
1788		2292.6800	Cool.	2293.1291
1790		2293.5309	Um, so	2294.5456
1792		2294.6744	my next	2295.2139
1794		2295.5496	couple [questions I] guess are more language [related],	2298.6233
1795	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2296.3154	[Mm-hm.]	2296.5525
1797		2298.5334	[Mm-hm.]	2298.8029
1798	ROC_int_01	2299.0251	and um,	2299.7605
1800		2300.9849	yeah. So I always ask whether or not	2303.5197
1802		2303.8459	you perceive or have been told by someone else that you have a	2308.2141
1804		2308.4182	Rochesterian accent.	2310.0634
1805	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2310.9143	Well, I don't, but it's funny because	2313.3915
1807		2313.7461	we were laughing about that the other day. Someone said milk (atypical pronunciation) or milk- I can't even do milk like that, /but it-/	2319.0133
1809		2319.2544	so I'm kind of- I'm like, what	2320.1129
1811		2320.2358	is that. And I'm like, that's a Rochester?	2322.0228
1813		2322.5144	And so, you know, when you travel other places like if you go down south, you from New York, so everybody sound cool,	2327.2569
1815		2327.4980	so that I'm a rapper.	2328.3206
1817		2328.4813	<laugh> You know, I gotta go down there like, yo what's up son. Yo kid. Yo what's up.	2331.3706
1819		2331.7299	I'm like, what am I saying? Like this is not even me. Like, what- all of a sudden I'm in a DMX video,	2335.5742
1820	ROC_int_01	2335.7822	[<laugh>]	2336.7041
1821	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2336.1557	[you know.] So, um,	2337.8481
1822		2337.9379	I've never heard that for me particularly, but I've heard-	2340.5948
1824		2341.0731	in particular, but I've heard other people, and I'm like, oh,	2343.2052
1826		2343.5077	that must be	2344.5431
1828		2344.9118	what we sound like to other people, but there's a- that-	2347.5978
1830		2347.8815	that milk (atypical pronunciation) or milk- I'm like, what? Or onion (atypical pronunciation), onion. I'm like, what is that? But I've heard it.	2352.7697
1832		2353.1204	But I think that my speech patterns have been	2354.9623
1834		2355.0758	more influenced by my grandmother.	2356.6518
1836		2357.0773	So I get more often, oh you sound like you from the South, or- and I'm like, oh	2359.9666
1838		2360.1320	<laugh> kay /well I'll come on/ y'all.	2361.3754
1840		2361.6354	Cause I say- I don't say, uh,	2363.0131
1842		2363.1076	pop. I say soda.	2364.2402
1844		2364.5205	I say denim and tennis shoes, you know, and so,	2367.0532
1846		2367.4524	um- but yeah, I definitely have heard the Rochester-	2369.9674
1848		2370.4023	and when I hear it, it's- I'm like, oh where they- oh, Rochester. Sorry.	2372.7944
1849	ROC_int_01	2373.1215	[Mm-hm.] And who do you hear it among? Is like younger folks, older-	2376.1766
1850	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2373.2048	[<laugh>]	2373.4713
1851	ROC_int_01	2376.3492	like-	2376.7474
1852	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2377.0264	Well, my son is younger than me <laugh> but- so- but I don't even know where he got- I'm like- he was /all/ like, what's a milk? (atypical pronunciation) Like, what? I can't even- like milk?	2383.6362
1854		2384.3333	Um,	2384.7186
1856		2384.8439	probably younger folks, probably more aro- amongst my students,	2387.4224
1858		2387.5878	you know, white folks,	2388.6468
1860		2389.1337	you know, more- I don't really think that	2390.9593
1862		2391.1295	black folks really have this Rochester thing.	2393.4555
1863	ROC_int_01	2394.1788	Yeah, tha- [yeah, that's been something] that I've been [hearing.]	2397.0681
1864	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2395.0912	[<laugh>]	2396.1273
1866		2396.9972	[I've] [heard it too, or l- yeah. I was like, uh.]	2398.9213
1867	ROC_int_01	2397.2678	[Folks that are like, uh, no], [/literally/] sound like [though. <laugh>]	2400.9304
1868	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2399.0678	[<laugh>]	2399.5500
1870		2400.3679	[Uh-uh.] I was like, what? <laugh> I'm /confusled/.	2402.8790
1871	ROC_int_01	2402.9404	But I get this, um,	2404.3114
1873		2405.0300	Southern thing a [lot] [in interviews], and so I just wonder like what, you know, infuences maybe on the way we pronounce things, [you know.]	2413.5127
1874	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2406.1599	[Right.]	2406.6231
1876		2406.7650	[Right.]	2407.1810
1878		2413.2291	[Right], right	2414.1604
1879		2414.3022	[Right.]	2414.8542
1880	ROC_int_01	2414.3176	[Uh],	2414.7431
1881		2415.0748	that has had from [our-]	2416.2385
1882	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2416.1535	[Right.]	2416.6120
1883		2416.9193	Hm.	2417.3164
1884	ROC_int_01	2417.6804	yeah, our ancestors. So	2419.3161
1886		2419.7416	yeah.	2420.0773
1888		2420.1813	I always like to ask, [and]	2421.6194
1889	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2421.3348	[Yeah.]	2421.5901
1890	ROC_int_01	2422.1440	yeah so the people who tell you you're from New York though are, uh,	2425.4769
1891	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2425.4863	If you go [down south], [yeah.]	2426.7769
1892	ROC_int_01	2425.7936	[folks]	2426.2096
1894		2426.5642	[who-] if you go down south. [But the people] who tell you you're- you sound Southern are folks-	2431.0628
1895	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2427.7441	[Okay.]	2428.0939
1896		2431.1062	Here.	2431.5789
1897	ROC_int_01	2431.7586	Yeah, okay.	2432.3211
1898	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2432.3873	Yeah.	2432.7135
1899	ROC_int_01	2433.2950	Isn't that [interesting?]	2434.1885
1900	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2433.9758	[It- it-] it's just like, oh, uh, okay oh you know they say I sound like y'all. <laugh> Girl, stop. <laugh>	2437.9713
1901		2438.3070	You don't sound like us. Oh sorry.	2439.7471
1903		2439.8481	But they hear New York and it's j- you know, New York is just New York City	2442.1457
1904	ROC_int_01	2442.4246	[Mm-hm.]	2442.9872
1905	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2442.7130	[which- ugh.]	2443.4135
1906		2443.7208	<laugh> [Been there], ugh.	2445.4179
1907	ROC_int_01	2444.4677	[Right.]	2444.8175
1908		2445.9379	[<laugh>]	2446.5478
1909	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2446.3729	[Sorry.]	2446.9118
1910		2447.1434	We were just there. I was like, I don't get it. It's- this is- uh okay,	2449.4580
1912		2449.5667	ugh.	2449.8740
1913	ROC_int_01	2450.5169	Yeah.	2451.0275
1915		2451.1362	<laugh>	2451.9115
1917		2452.3606	Well, um,	2453.2124
1919		2453.3637	<ts> those are all the questions I have, but	2455.3870
1921		2455.5377	do you have any maybe last thoughts or comments about Rochester, your experiences here?	2460.5233
1922	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2460.9866	No I- I think that, you know, I- I wanna say something about my grandmother who owned a restaurant, uh, Blue Flame, and it was	2466.4902
1924		2466.8731	across- what is	2467.6579
1926		2467.8423	number- it's Upper Falls and Hudson.	2469.8656
1928		2470.2344	She was in that area in probably like the fifties.	2472.2491
1930		2472.7124	And, uh, one of the things that she said that she had to get out of business because she had a hard time getting a liquor license,	2477.3690
1932		2477.6960	and there's this white gentleman who told her, you know, nudge nudge, and /this is always/ a fine woman.	2481.2558
1934		2481.6907	You know, nudge nudge if you wanna, you know, sort of get into bed with me, we could, uh, we could do some things. And she's like, no.	2486.9438
1936		2487.2652	And she said, I shut my business down that week. I was like, no.	2489.3737
1938		2489.8047	And it just-	2490.4240
1940		2490.5469	to me I often wonder she would've had more opportunities and other people would've had more opportunities	2494.9860
1942		2495.3879	to, um- and- and going to my own experience in schooling, I know people have had	2499.2889
1944		2499.5205	significant mentors, but that's usually the exception in school,	2502.7219
1946		2503.2608	um, and so I'm just wondering if more people in Rochester would,	2506.4991
1948		2506.9577	uh, lift these- lift people up	2508.8306
1950		2508.9819	simply because they could. Like you don't have to get an award for it. You don't have to be	2511.9129
1952		2512.2155	noticed or anything, but just because you could.	2514.5564
1954		2515.1710	Um, I think that we would have a better community being in- interesting in- in	2518.4802
1956		2518.5764	things that did not necessarily	2519.7764
1958		2520.0553	impact ourselves on a- on a-	2521.7477
1960		2521.8943	a first level	2522.6660
1962		2522.7677	but just really,	2523.5063
1964		2523.9885	you know, so I- it's good stuff.	2525.4682
1965	ROC_int_01	2525.8236	Yeah.	2526.1735
1966	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2526.3720	[Yeah.]	2526.8637
1967	ROC_int_01	2526.4902	[Okay.]	2526.9677
1968		2527.2466	Thank [you. And, um], do you still consent to me using the interview?	2530.9010
1969	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2527.6378	[Thank you.]	2528.6873
1970		2530.9238	Yeah.	2531.3044
1971	ROC_int_01	2531.3737	Okay, I always [have to] [/inaudible/ it.]	2532.9982
1972	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2531.8788	[Oh],	2532.1140
1974		2532.3929	[yes, I consent.] [I consent.]	2533.8157
1975	ROC_int_01	2533.1968	[<laugh>]	2534.5740
1976	ROC_se0_ag2_f_04	2533.9043	[Uh, yes. <laugh>]	2535.0799
1977	ROC_int_01	2535.2051	Thank you. I appreciate it.	2536.5086